Hello everyone. This is Diane Rosen Mccatti with
UK Column News. I'm really happy to be joined
today by Linda Warden. She is from the Health Forum New
Zealand, so the other side of the world for us.
But obviously I've experienced some very similar things to what
we experienced here in the UK for the last five years.
And so with that, I think I would just like to pass it over
to Linda. Linda, if you'd just mind
introducing yourself and where you come from and and how did
you find UK column as well being all the way on the other side of
the world? OK, Hi Diane, it's, it's so
wonderful to finally be speaking with you because it has been a,
a long held dream of mine to be able to be on UK column News and
to share the New Zealand situation with your viewers all
over the world. So I'm from England originally,
but I moved to New Zealand as a child.
I was 15 when I came here with my mum and dad and my dad was in
the British Army and then was offered a position in the New
Zealand Army and we immigrated. So I'm well and truly a Kiwi
being in my 60s now and having moved here when I was 15.
So yes, I'm very interested in England and obviously UK column
news. Actually a lot of awake New
Zealanders are aware of UK column news and many of us,
thousands of the members in the health forum actually followed
the work of UK column through the height of the New Zealand
restrictions and the the difficulty in New Zealand and
accessing genuine information that wasn't propaganda.
So you've, you have got a big following in New Zealand.
As far as I'm aware, that's. Really great to hear.
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's interesting, isn't it?
With, with online work, you, you really have no idea who your
audience is, you know, and they're from every corner of the
world, which is really exciting. It's it's a great, great
opportunity that we've got. So a little bit about me, well,
kind of my life is pre COVID and post COVID or pre pandemic, post
pandemic. So my my pre pandemic life was
very stable, very happy. I'm married in a long term
marriage and it's a second marriage, but we've been
together for 16 years now and I'm I'm mum and stepmom to six
daughters all grown up and I've got 8 grandchildren.
So family is used to be still is the centre of my life.
And prior to the pandemic, my career for the last 35 years was
sort of A2 pronged career because I had my own holistic
Women's Health clinic where I worked as a sole practitioner as
a registered traditional Chinese acupuncturist and naturopath
specialising in holistic Women's Health.
That was my passion, that was my calling.
And alongside that, I had an equally lengthy and enjoyable
career as a freelance health researcher and journalist.
So I worked for a lot of magazines and newspapers in New
Zealand and Australia as a freelance health journalist.
And I'm also the author of three holistic Women's Health books,
all of which are now out of print.
That was several years ago. So so that was my background pre
pandemic and I'm telling you that so that you can understand
the life experience that I came from.
And so with that background, I obviously watch the development
of the vaccines, which from here and then we'll call the
injectables because they're clearly not vaccines.
But I watched the development of that with, with great interest.
Obviously having having researched and written about
other vaccines, real vaccines, as a freelance journalist, I,
I've written a series on flu, MMR, shingles and Gardasil.
So I had some idea of what was involved in the research and
development for a traditional vaccine, knowing it was
somewhere between, you know, 8 and up to 15 years from the
concept to the product being authorised.
Therefore, I could easily spot the differences between this
playbook and, you know, what had been medical practise up until
now. And and so it was that awareness
and the contrast that alerted me to the fact that we were saying
something unprecedented and potentially was serious
problems, which turned out to be true, of course.
Right, right. So if we go back into 2020,
which I hate to do, but unfortunately we have to do this
when we're talking about the vaccines and I'm sorry as you
did vaccines and what that what that meant for the world,
especially in Western countries. I think all of us were watching
the leaders that were basically working in lockstep at the time,
right? And they were all saying the
same things. They all have the same agenda.
And it all happened at exactly the same time, as though
suddenly whatever this thing was apparently, according to them,
just, you know, flew out of China and flew all over the
world immediately. And suddenly we all had to stay
at home, right? Or as we saw with Boris Johnson,
you must stay at home. And I will never forget the that
moment on TV when he slammed his fists on the desk at 10 down the
street, right? So what, you know, what was it
like in New Zealand at the time? Because I was watching New
Zealand, Canada, Australia in particular as being even more
draconian than it was here in the UK.
So what was that like at that point for you?
I would say yes, we were definitely more draconian.
So in 2020, when everything kicked off, we had a Labour
government in New Zealand and our esteemed leader was the now
infamous and world famous female Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern.
And it's a tale of two halves now, which is under Ardern
because I see the the, the international publicity where
she's, you know, worshipped and adored and, and bestowed with
all kinds of honorary awards. And for many people that is,
that is not how we feel about her in New Zealand.
But we can come back to that, we can talk about that.
So, so she was our Prime Minister and we had a policy.
She had a policy, go early, go hard and boy did they mean it.
So we very quickly capitalised on the fact that we are a very
remote island surrounded, you know, completely on all sides
by, by the ocean. We're not attached to any other
land mass. And so very quickly our policy
was to shut down the borders, call, call the nationals home,
give them a very small window of time to get back into New
Zealand, shut the borders and we became Fortress New Zealand for
the longest time. And actually many New Zealanders
who hadn't been able to get back in that short window of time
ended up being locked out of New Zealand for up to two years,
unable to return. We so besides locking the
borders, we, the, the main principle was to shut the
borders and then lock the nationals down.
So lock the community down. I think they were called
lockdowns in the UK. They were called lockdowns here.
And they were literally that just everything stopped.
All services stopped except essential services like, you
know, food shopping, pharmacies and medical care, basically
everything else shut down. And we were, we were told to
stay home. Auckland over the over the
period of the active COVID response, which lasted a couple
of years, Auckland was hit the hardest of all with lockdowns
and many, many news, many, many New Zealand businesses and in
particular Auckland businesses have gone to the wall.
So that was the start of our response.
Go early, go hard. I think the same playbook, just
about all the Western countries that I'm aware of, the developed
Western nations, we all appeared to have the same playbook.
You know, later on in our response, we can talk about, you
know, in came employment mandates, COVID vaccination
mandates, and in came COVID vaccine passes as well.
So you basically had to have a pass to partake in life once we
came out of lockdown. So we can talk more about that
if you want to. So it it was a very, very severe
draconian response in New Zealand, largely because this
this was the rationale that was portrayed to the people anyway,
largely because our healthcare infrastructure in New Zealand is
actually quite poor in terms of high dependency, high dependency
unit and intensive care unit care.
We have got one of the lowest beds per capita in the developed
world in New Zealand. And so that was the rationale
for going hard, going early if COVID was let left to RIP
through our population. We simply didn't have the, you
know, the projected requirements for intensive care capacity.
One of the things that happened over here in the UK and I was in
Scotland in 2020 was it, it was quite obvious early on that it
was the over here at least a power play politically because
Scotland went harder than England and Wales.
So Nicola Sturgeon and all of her wonderful glory that was
sarcastic. She decided that she was going
to make it more obvious that she obviously cared more about the
people of Scotland than Boris Johnson cared about the people
of England, for example. And but the thing, the
interesting thing about it, watching New Zealand, watching
Australia, watching Canada, it was that that none of it was
actually enforced here. It was like you were told that
you had to do these things. You were told that you had to
stay home you but they didn't really follow through.
I mean, when I was still working at the universities in the
university system at the time, and we weren't allowed to be
come going to campus and the students were surrounded in
their rooms and, and all of that.
So that was the buildings were locked up and you couldn't do
it. But then when we got to 2021 and
they started rolling out the medical devices, whatever,
injectables, whatever. We.
Want to call it that part was not enforced because I just
didn't say anything there. There was I didn't fly anywhere,
I couldn't fly anywhere and, and the only the only real, the real
serious consequence that happened for me was that my
mother passed away on a ventilator in December of 2021.
I'm. So sorry.
Yeah. And I was not able to go back
for her before or after she died because I didn't have any
injectables and I wouldn't shove any sticks up my nose to do
anything else. So I couldn't even get into my
country of origin. So, but within Scotland itself
there was no, unless you were trying to board a plane, there
was and, and maybe in certain professions where maybe in the
NHS you maybe was maybe stricter.
But for me there was nothing that where I had to show proof
of it. Was very different.
It was very different here because everything was very
closely and tightly enforced. The, the, the, the vaccinated,
who then had a, it was a digital pass on their phone.
For most people, you know, some elderly people who didn't have a
smartphone would have a paper pass.
But for the vast majority, it was a digital pass.
And you scanned into premises, you know, shops and cinemas and
everything. And there were, you know, there
was always a guard or somebody on the door to ensure that you
scanned in, you know, and if you broke lockdown rules or, you
know, you went swimming or you're on the beach, all of
those places were surveilled. The police would pick you up.
They would issue a fine. Unless you're in some extremely
remote part of part of New Zealand and the WOP wops, you
know, if you're on a beach in Auckland, the police would would
come and speak to you and issue a fine.
So it was difficult to bend the rules here.
Right then that that's what I observed from a distance.
So, you know, it's unfortunate, but interesting to hear when
I've heard from people who were actually in those settings that
that that was really enforced because, you know, we would see
these sort of clips on social media, you know, just a family
minding their own business on the beach and then all of a
sudden they're being arrested and everyone is terrified and,
you know. Yeah, I would say that the
Australian response was even more physically aggressive.
The Australian police turned out in general, except for the the
terrible events that that happened at the Parliament
grounds occupation that you're probably aware of what we call
Freedom Village that ended, you know, as a virtual bloodbath
with a lot of people being injured by the police response.
Except for that generally the Australian physical brutality
was greater. Not many people were assaulted,
assaulted with truncheons if they were, you know, on the
beach breaking the lockdown rules.
Where in Australia that happened, you know, a lot of
people were actually physically assaulted when they refused to
comply with, you know, lockdown events.
So it was more more physically aggressive in Australia than New
Zealand, except for the Freedom Village response.
Yeah, I, I was living within the city of Glasgow with in this
time period and one of the things that I think was
interesting, and I don't know if it's because Nicola Sturgeon
lives in Glasgow, what it was, but that was actually stricter
than even than the rest of Scotland.
And Scotland was stricter than England, right.
So they said you can't more than 5 miles away from your house.
And so if you went 6 miles away from your house, you would die
of COVID, but 5 miles from your house, you were fine.
And so I, it was just like my personal way of protesting every
week I went to get to buy my groceries at a place that was 6
miles away just so that I could prove that I wasn't going to die
of COVID because I drove a mile to, you know, to get to my, my
grocery shopping. But it, and, you know, there
were the thing that was the interesting thing part of here.
And I'm wondering if, if I don't know if this, what they had here
was the track and trade system that the, the, the government,
the NHNHS in turn, of course, spent millions on where you were
supposed to, once you were so called, allowed to go into a pub
or, you know, eat something in a restaurant that you could, you
know, you were supposed to check in and scan AQR code and say,
yes, I'm here. And, and all of this.
And, and the first few times when I started to see my friends
again, go out to places and they were all doing it.
And I, I was at that point where I was.
So I stayed quiet. And that was my survival
mechanism up to a certain point because I had so many friends
who bought into the whole thing. And I was actually afraid to say
anything for a while, just socially.
I've kind of lost these friends since then because eventually I
just gave up and quit trying. But I remember doing things like
checking, checking my emails on my phone, pretending I was
checking in, but actually I was just answering a text message or
something because I was just trying to play along.
Yeah, we we had exactly the same system.
This is what's so interesting. If you talk to somebody in
America or Canada or all of the developed Western nations, we
all had the same playbook and we also had the QR code scan and
with the track and trace system, you know, and you'd have a
bizarre experience. Like, you know, if, if there was
a case of COVID in Kmart, you know, which is like a huge
department store and, and your track and trace showed that
you'd been in the in the store at the same time.
You might have been on a different floor and you might
have been in the store, you know, for two minutes and
nowhere near the person. But then you were basically put
on mandatory lockdown on your home for the period of time got
shorter as the months went by. But I, I think to begin with, it
may have been, I can't remember, but I think it might have been
10 days. This is after the actual
lockdowns. But if you had the misfortune
of, you know, your track and trace system showing that you're
in Kmart, when one person with COVID was in Kmart, that was it.
You're on mandatory basic, basically house arrest for 10
days. Over the years, the, the amount
of mandatory time you had to stay home to stay home did
decrease. But it was, it was outrageous.
You know, it caused mayhem for people and their lives and
businesses because suddenly, you know, lockdowns were finished,
You finally got your business open again.
And then you had the misfortune of being pinged by a track and
trace and you were back home again.
That sounds so stressful. I mean, I, I can't imagine like
living under that kind of uncertainty.
Like uncertainty is hard to live with anyway in any situation.
And considering what we're living under but not knowing it
will, will I be allowed to leave the house tomorrow?
It sounds like a a child who was who was bad and the parents
grounded them for coming home too late or something.
Absolutely. And we all had a national
system, What was it called? A civil defence alert system.
I don't know if you have them, we all have them on our
smartphones. Oh, I've turned mine on, yeah.
Right. And so when, when it was
decided, usually the lockdowns were decided and by, and they
started at midnight that night, literally they would decide,
they would announce like in the 1:00 press briefing, you know,
Auckland or New Zealand is going into lockdown for seven days or
10 days or two weeks starting at midnight tonight.
And we'd get the civil defence alert on our phone, you know,
the alarm and then the notice coming up, you know, as of
midnight tonight, you know, Auckland is in lockdown, blah,
blah, blah. It was terrifying.
And it's interesting that so many of us, I've talked about it
on the health forum platforms, but so many people have a PTSD
response now when that alarm goes off on their phone because
we even get them now for weather warnings, heavy rain warnings,
you know, extremely heavy rain warnings.
And that alarm will go off on the phone and we're programmed
now into a PTSD response with heart racing and sweating.
And yeah, it's the real deal. So I know that there are
settings on my phone that I found where to turn off.
There's like alerts and there's extreme alerts and there's, I
forget what they're called. Extreme, Extreme alerts.
Yeah, there's, it gets like worse and worse, right?
I but not everyone, I don't know, maybe in different
countries. I know like in the UK that in
some cases the, you know, the phone providers that can't can
only turn on or off certain things and privacy settings are
different in different countries.
I will check it out because I would like to take it off my
phone for sure. Go in and find the settings and
you can switch it off, at least for now and at least here in
this country, but you might have to check on what's going on over
there. I will.
Yeah, 'cause they, they, what happened was a couple of years
ago, I think it was, they announced they were going to do
a test of the system. And everyone started passing
around messages saying, oh, here's where you do it on your
phone to, to turn it off so that you don't have a panic attack
when this happens at a certain time with everyone, right?
Yeah. So, so then we go into 2021 and
here in the UK they started saying, well, we're going to
start rolling out these injectables.
We had people who started, they started with what they called
the vulnerable to people over a certain age.
So they kind of worked backward from elderly people all the way
back down into children eventually.
And that's how they did it here. So you're supposed to wait until
you were told, you know, your age group can show up and then
you're supposed to go in and get your time booked.
So was it the same? Was it the same approach in New
Zealand? Pretty much.
So we were about our roll out. Our first injection started
around the 20th of February 2021.
We have used almost exclusively Pfizer mRNA, about 10,000
AstraZeneca and even fewer Nova vax and the rest have all been
Pfizer mRNA. So that land that landed and
started the roll out towards the end of February 2021, I think
the very first people to receive it were actually border workers,
airport workers, port workers and then what we called MIQ, the
the system where anybody that came into New Zealand was
quarantined for two weeks in huge hotels.
Many of the hotels in New Zealand were commandeered by the
by the government to use as mandatory isolation for anybody
coming over the border. For two weeks.
They were literally kept in their rooms for all but one hour
a day, where they were taken out in small numbers into a enclosed
exercise yard. I mean, it was like prison full
on. So, so workers there and port
workers, airport workers were the first people.
And then we followed you in that we started with frail elderly,
you know, and worked backwards, eventually coming to children
and then last of all infants from six months to four years.
So our, our roll out was, I don't know what it was like in
England really, but here it was a sight to behold because the
the narrative from the government and Jacinda Ardern
and the Ministry of Health was that the vaccine was the Holy
Grail and was absolutely the one way we were going to get our
lives back. It was without question going to
save us. It was our route back to
normality. There was never any discussion,
any public debate or genuine informed consent process around
pros and cons, individual risks and benefits.
So with that being the background, they poured hundreds
of millions of dollars into massive infrastructure to roll
the injectables out rapidly at the height of the roll out,
remembering that our entire country, we've got about 5.1
million people living here. So we're tiny, you know,
compared to UK. But at the height of the roll
out they were doing, they were administering up to 100,000
doses a week for a tiny country like this with massive
vaxathons, vax hubs, you know, big sports stadiums were
commandeered, massive car parks where you could do drive through
jabs and just pull over for 15 minutes.
You know, wind your window down, stick your arm out, pull over
and sit for 15 minutes and drive away, you know, to do your
shopping. So the the obsessive focus with,
with no other discussion, not, not a not a single dollar was
spent in New Zealand for any public education campaigns to
teach people about, you know, the connection between obesity
and massively increased risk. No money was spent to educate
people about the self help measures they could take in
terms of lifestyle or healthy nutrition or sun exposure,
vitamin D status, and the correlation with their risk.
So. So nobody was taught anything
except the vaccine was going to save us and the unvaccinated
potentially would kill us. The unvaccinated would kill the
vaccinated. Go figure.
I remember that and I, I had some people when I, I finally
told a group of people that I was not going to get vaccinated.
And I, like I said, I stayed quiet and just quietly observed,
didn't say anything for a while until I started to speak up and
share what I was being noticing because I was also watching you
kick out them in 2020 right before I had the privilege of
working for them. But what did it, you know, what
had happened was eventually I said to a group of friends who
were all about the vaccine and I felt like I had to make a
confession to them and I was afraid of losing their
friendships. And they said I'm not getting
vaccinated. And I asked, I said that I had
actually. And this is true because this is
how I think the doctors knew a lot more than what they said in
the start. Because I heard on the news, on
UK column news and even on the BBC actually, that there was
this. Well, the BBC downplayed there
was the tiniest, smallest risk of, of a blood clot if you took
the AstraZeneca, right, which was the majority of what they
were giving out here in the beginning.
But I, I had ADBT in 2013 from another medication, from taking
hormonal medications for endometriosis.
And you know what, I was the 1%. Those say it's the 1% of women
who take oral contraceptives that get this.
Well, I was the 1%. And I know that once you've had
one, you're at higher risk of another one.
So first time I heard this, I called my GP and I said, what do
you think? Should I take it?
This doesn't sound safe for me. I have a lot of risk factors for
another blood clot. And he said no, you are
definitely at higher risk of dying of another blood clot than
you are of dying from any sort of respiratory illness.
My goodness, you had an honest doctor.
Yeah, and, and maybe he already knew well enough that I wasn't
going to buy into anything else. But, you know, it just showed me
that there were some, that whether or not they were honest,
they knew. And, and maybe I, I'm hoping
that that was, I'm hoping that they knew.
But I'm, I'm also disappointed in the, in all of them for going
along with it because over here I think they got, you know, £12
per job administered or something, you know, that was
their financial incentives for their practises.
And here so so we had all doctors vaccinated.
Pharmacists who are vaccinating they receive between 38 and 48
New Zealand dollars per jab based on was it during the day?
Was it on a weekend, was it on an evening?
Many of our pharmacies have become multi millionaires and
our doctor practises as a result of the the COVID windfall for
being paid per PCR test. Stick up your nose and per dose
for the jab and our healthcare system is in a complete
shambles. I don't know what the NHS is
like right now, but our healthcare system appears to be
imploding around us for a lot of different reasons.
But if we put the hospital system to one side, we have a
catastrophic breakdown of trust with New Zealanders.
Many hundreds of thousands, potentially millions of adult
New Zealanders no longer being able to trust their GPS or the
doctors in the hospital. And partly that came about
because the New Zealand Medical Council issued effectively gag
orders to all their members. And this was then followed by
all the healthcare registration bodies, including the
naturopathic registration, the acupuncture, chiropractors,
physiotherapist, dentists, you nursing counsel.
They all effectively were gagged and told that they were not
allowed to post publicly or speak in consultations anything
that instilled doubt or negativity about the safety or
the efficacy of the COVID vaccines.
And so as a result of that, very few New Zealanders received a
genuine honest risk benefit appraisal or an informed consent
process. And as increasing numbers of New
Zealanders have become aware of that, the trust has been
irrevocably breaking down, broken down.
And in the health forum, our membership, we're, we, we have a
large social media presence for, for the work that we do across
Facebook X and Telegram. We've got well over 70,000
members across those platforms. And the vast majority of those
members are New Zealanders and the vast majority of them say
they will never again trust a doctor.
Many of them have said they've finished with orthodox
healthcare and they'd rather die at home than go to a hospital.
I mean, they're in very in very radically entrenched positions
of fear and distrust of the medical system in New Zealand as
a result of the COVID response here.
Yeah, and, and NHS is, is in complete meltdown mode as well
and has been for the past few years in it, it, it's it, I'm
sure that the issues might be quite similar where, you know,
at least here you can't get an appointment for days and you
might, you can make call and ask for an appointment and there's
maybe something three weeks from from then.
Same here. Same here.
When, when I was going through that, that time period when you
weren't even allowed to go into a practise and I have a thyroid
condition, I'm supposed to have my bloods monitored.
I wasn't even able to get in to get my bloods monitored because
they wouldn't let me into the practise to have my bloods
taken. And I'm supposed to be in every
six months. And so the impact of people who
had actual health conditions that were impacted on, I mean,
mine's not life threatening, but people who had, you know,
different cancer diagnosis, things that were not even
related to or existed before they might have become vaccine
injured. The impact on those people's
lives and their health. I was was incredibly
substantial. And the NHS is still is still
just breaking down. So that that is 1 similarity
over here. Absolutely.
And, and you know, I, I think it's, it's interesting when we,
because you could call them, we have said this this whole time
and we need to continue to say this, that we will never
abandoned those who are vaccine injured.
And the problem is that a lot of the people over here on the side
that have, have been vaccine injured, who are working hard,
who are speaking out, trying to fight for what they've lost.
For the people who are already gone and for the people who are
permanently disabled from the side, from what happened to
them. It's absolutely devastating to
see what happens. And they feel completely lost
and without any, any help. So we do what we can.
We're a small team and they're, you know, there are very few
media outlets over here or anywhere that are willing to
speak about this. And, and, and, and this is where
I would like to maybe even started talking about the health
forum. So if maybe you can give the
audience a little bit of background to the health forum
kind of where in all of this madness it started and what it
started from and and kind of what do with it.
Yeah. Absolutely.
So having explained a little about my background, 35 years
and healthcare as a practitioner myself, plus a freelance health
researcher and journalist. So I was equipped to see the red
flags, some of which we've already talked about.
And when the Pfizer mRNA landed in New Zealand to overwhelming
fanfare and cheerleading from the New Zealand government and
jubilation from the vast majority of the New Zealand
population, believing it was the Holy Grail and it had finally
arrived. I thought I was the odd one out
because I had all kinds of concerns.
Because in that year of 2020, I've been following the
development, I've been researching the history of mRNA
and lipid nanoparticles. And I knew that prior to Pfizer
and Moderna deciding that this was the platform they were going
to use to roll out to, you know, potentially 7 billion human
beings around the planet. Prior to that decade long
history of mRNA was that they'd never been able to bring a
successful commercial product to market because of the fraught
risk benefit profile of the product.
And up until using it for a global rollout, it had only ever
been used for individual care, often for people with terminal
cancer where they were going to die anyway.
So if they died from mRNA toxicity or harm, well, they
were already going to die. Such was the risk benefit, you
know, basis. So the more I learnt about the
platform and the more I learned about the troublesome nature of
lipid nanoparticles, the fact that they traverse the body, the
fact that they cross all the cellular membranes and the blood
brain barrier and they're highly inflammatory.
I became increasingly consumed about this product that was
coming to New Zealand. I started watching the
government pharmacovigilance databases yellow card theirs in
America. And because I'd looked at those
pharmacovigilance databases for other genuine vaccines in the
past, I quickly saw what I thought was a difference.
The severity, a lot of of a lot of the reports, the multi system
nature of them, the immediate obvious cardiac effects that
were being, you know, reported. So, so I had my red alert
buttons going and I consoled myself with the belief that once
it landed in New Zealand, people who were genuinely, you know,
academically qualified to speak out about the subject would do
so. You know, the immunologist, the
vaccinologist, the doctors with 40 years of experience, they,
they obviously must be sharing my concern.
So the product landed, the roll out started, I waited and I
waited. Nobody was saying anything.
The doctors were silent. I don't know what your tagline
was in UK, but our marketing tagline 24 hours a day literally
on every media platform, written TV, radio was a three lie, a
three word tagline, safe and effective, safe and effective.
Was it the same in UK? It was safe and effective.
Safe and effective. So people started lining up for
the jabs. Still nobody spoke out.
And one day, probably 3 months into the roll out, I was so
frustrated that I decided I would start a Facebook group
where I could start posting my observation from
pharmacovigilance databases and some of the early preprint
science that was starting to come out and some of the early
overseas experts that were starting to, you know, speak up.
You know, Tess, I can't remember exactly at what point, but the
wonderful Tess Laurie for example, in UK and the American
cardiologists Peter McCullough they were and Robert Malone they
were, you know, early voices of expertise that started speaking
out. So I started this Facebook group
called the Health Forum. NZI thought maybe 1000 people
would join me to see what I was talking about.
Actually what happened was 58,000 people joined me.
All but 5000 of them were New Zealanders.
Because on Facebook you can actually monitor the
demographics of where people have joined from.
We lasted for nine months. In our original iteration.
Our 58,000 member group lasted nine months before one night.
We were just de platformed overnight by Facebook.
I'll give you some reason why our our membership.
Of course, when I started the process, it was very academic
and I was thinking of it being quite an academic process.
You know, we could analyse things, I could share the
science. I never really stopped to think
on that day when I set the group up that of course what what was
going to happen in New Zealand was what was already happening
in Israel and America and UK. We were going to have vaccine
injured people and sure enough the collateral damage started to
build up. There was no safe place for
these, for those people in New Zealand.
They were completely shunned and abandoned as they are to this
very day. They were completely ignored by
the government, by the legacy media, by their doctors who
gaslighted them and refused to believe that the safe and
affected could possibly have harmed them in any way.
So where was the one safe place they could find?
Well, it turned out it was actually the Health Forum NZ, a
virtual community, a closed Facebook group, and they joined
us in their thousands. And then by November 2021, we
had some of the strictest employment mandates, COVID
vaccine employment mandates, some of the strictest and most
far reaching in the world. 40% of our employed workforce across
many professions were mandated to take two or three Pfizer mRNA
to keep their jobs. And so many of those people who
lost their careers, their professions, their homes, their
marriages, their mana, they lost it all.
They joined us as well. And so we became a deeply
traumatised community where we offered compassion, support, We
cultivated non judge, mental, non judge mentalism, which we do
to this day. We worked hard to be bridge
builders to try to bring back the vaccinated, the
unvaccinated, the injured, the non injured, to try to build
compassion and understanding in the face of military grade
psychological operations. Working with budgets of hundreds
of millions of dollars to do the exact opposite, to drive wedges
and marriages, families, workplaces, to scapegoat the
unvaccinated and have them cast aside in order to drive uptake
of the mRNA product. So.
So we became that safe place. It was madness.
It was. I can honestly say that first
nine months was the most intense time of my life.
At our height, we had about 40 people working for the Health
Forum Forum. None of us get any money to this
day. We're all volunteers.
We don't have any sponsorship other than the occasional kind
person that sees the donate button on our website.
We don't have any corporate sponsors or government sponsors.
And so we did what we could for that community.
And over that time, I know UK Column News experienced it as
well. The censorship was ferocious.
And so it was the censorship that finally took our group down
because we were telling the truth.
We were speaking the truth, not the propaganda.
We were sharing real stories of, you know, brutally injured and
maimed people from the safe and effective.
We were sharing stories of people whose children had died
in New Zealand from the injection or, you know, their
mother had died. And we were also sharing the
preprint and then the peer reviewed science.
My voice was brutally muted. So I would get rolling back to
back one month bands. And when my my actual voice was
unlocked, I'd often last 24 hours being so careful what I
what I posted. I'd last 24 hours before they
put me back in a one month ban for things like early on in our
membership, we spotted what we thought was an early signal for
myocarditis, long before anybody was talking about it publicly.
We asked our members about myocarditis and cardiac events.
What were they witnessing? What was happening to them?
And so I started writing about it, saying, hey, this is
unprecedented. What's all this cardiac stuff
that's happening? That was a one month ban.
I've got a one month ban for publishing A peer reviewed paper
which documented the now widely accepted fact that vitamin D
status has a lot to do with your risk of, you know, infection,
hospitalisation and death. That was a one month ban.
Another one month ban was for talking about the early signal
again that I thought I detected in our thousands strong
membership for female menstrual disorders.
Of course the myocarditis and the female menstrual mayhem is
now mainstream. It's now acknowledged as they
are serious adverse events with COVID injectables.
So it was just a crazy time working with a deeply
traumatised population. So within that, we had our
social Media Group. I was receiving at the height of
that up to 500 private messages a day PM through our Facebook
page. I had a team of people who were
literally just knocking off all the ones they could, you know,
all the ones that were just like a video link being sent and then
forwarding to me the desperate pleas for health help.
And they would be still 100 to 200 people a day and I would try
and respond to those as best as I could.
So we're back on Facebook. We're actually thriving on
Facebook now. We're called True Stories from
the Health Forum NZ. We're growing very rapidly and
Facebook are being very kind to us now.
We've got a large reach. We've got about 3 million views
a month currently on Facebook for our work.
So come join us if you want to see what we're doing.
And besides the social media, we actively help and support mRNA
harmed New Zealanders. So we direct them to healthcare.
We have a a sadly very short database of doctors and
specialists who are not gaslighting the vaccinated.
And so we help people find their way to those practitioners.
We help them find advocates for accident compensation
applications. So that's our compensation
system, supposedly for vaccine injuries.
We help them find lawyers for employment cases.
We send them resources. We also guide a lot of them to
the small group of New Zealand doctors, amazing doctors, New
Zealand doctors speaking out with science NZDSOS, that is the
organisation of honest doctors who have made it their business
to research and find solutions for mRNA harm.
So we're very busy to this day and we've become a primary voice
in New Zealand for the mRNA harmed New Zealanders, of which
there are thousands, and they're still gaslighted, they're still
ignored and they're still silenced by legacy media.
It's the exact same over here. It I know that you've done an
incredible amount of work. Are there any other people that
are working with you on this team that you would like to
mention and and kind of their roles as well?
Because you can't possibly be doing all of this alone.
Absolutely. Thank you.
Thank you so much for giving me that opportunity.
Yes, there are. Our team is a lot smaller than
it was at heart, you know, at the heyday of that busy group.
But one of the things that so I have amazing moderators who I
couldn't run the Facebook page without them.
So that's Lisa and Karen. They're really hard working and
they're incredible. And one of the things we've been
doing for three years, we quickly became the repository
for people sharing their personal stories with us of
serious injectable harm. And we realised quite early on
that this was really special information and we needed to do
something with it. And so we established a, what we
call a citizen's database of serious adverse events and
deaths. And so we started with quite a
large team, predominantly mandated out nurses.
That team has got smaller over time because we have fewer
reports coming through now because fewer people are taking
new doses. But we still have a team of
mandated out healthcare professionals headed by a nurse
collecting first person reports, very detailed first person
reports of harm or the families of those who have died.
And we have hundreds and hundreds of those reports which
we have anonymised and submitted as part of our submission to the
New Zealand Royal COVID Royal Commission enquiry into the
COVID response. So incredible team right at the
coalface listening to Deep Trauma and you know, reading
about it all day everyday. So deeply grateful for that
team. We've also along the way had ACC
advisors working with us. We've had lawyers working with
us. We don't so much have in house
lawyers and ACC advocates now, but we do have an out of house
network that we work with and and who support us.
So yeah. And then we of course have the
moderators on our other platforms as well.
So still an amazing team of volunteers.
So, you know, I, we have all these inquiries going on in
different countries now, right? So there's the Scottish COVID
inquiry. My group that I'm on the
executive committee for called Common Knowledge, Edinburgh.
A few months ago we had what we called the Scottish People's
COVID Inquiry. Yes, I followed that.
Yeah. Video clips on Twitter.
Yeah, I did a presentation there about the Fear and the media
campaign and we had some amazing speakers with Doctor Liz Evans
and a whole programme of experts in their areas on the topic.
And So what we wanted to do is actually give people a voice and
we had a great turn out and people who came and shared their
personal stories. What's been unique about the
Scottish COVID inquiry is that you have to go far into the
website to find it. But all of these recordings of
people who are coming in and sharing their stories about, you
know, what happens to them or to their family members at the time
that whether or not they act on all of this evidence.
But the, the stories that people came in and told both in, in the
official document documented government inquiry as as well as
our own, our own inquiry for common knowledge have been
incredible. And I know that you've just put
together a huge submission for the inquiry in New Zealand.
If you do want to talk a little bit about that and, and what
we're all involved in that because I, I can't imagine the
amount of work that was done for that.
Yeah, sure. Thank you for the opportunity to
talk about that. So we're a bit different in New
Zealand because we've already had a supposed inquiry, royal
Commission of Inquiry into the New Zealand COVID response under
the previous government, the Jacinda Ardern, the Labour
government, we had a, well it was actually after Jacinda
Ardern, but it was still the Labour government.
We had a COVID inquiry that had incredibly narrow terms of
reference and those terms of reference didn't include
anything about vaccines, if you can believe that, not a thing.
The primary New Zealand response to the COVID, you know, to the
pandemic situation was the vaccine mRNA and the the royal
Commission inquiry just picked the carpet up and went swept it
all in and dropped the dusty carpet down.
So as a result of that when we had the elections for the new
government, I don't know, I think approximately 18 months
ago, many of us pushed very hard with one party in particular New
Zealand First, we pushed very hard petitioning that that party
to to campaign on a party promise of pushing for a second
royal Commission of inquiry with more realistic terms of
reference. So with a big focus on safety
and efficacy of the injectables and with a big focus on
employment mandates, vaccine employment mandates.
And we actually have a three way coalition government.
And one of that, you know, one of that three way government is
NZ 1st. And so they came in and they did
exactly that. They they bargained with the
other two parties. And we now have a second Royal
Commission of inquiry with much broader terms of reference.
And in this we are allowed to speak about safety and efficacy.
So given that we're allowed to speak about safety, the health
forum has spent a lot of our enormous submission speaking
about the lack of safety. You know, we're, we're the
number one in organisation in New Zealand, along with New
Zealand doctors speaking out with science, speaking about
injury and death with the injectables.
So a lot of our submission focuses on that particular area
and and jointly focuses on the ongoing harms from the
consequences of employment mandates, injection employment
mandates. So this phase two of the
inquiry, we have new commissioners.
One of our concerns with phase one of the inquiry, the lead
commissioner, many, many people had serious doubts about
conflicts of interest with that particular person, Tony Blakely.
He had been headhunted by Jacinda Ardern.
He had been, he's, he was an advisor to Dan Andrews in
Victoria and Australia. He was also an advisor to the
New Zealand COVID response. So he was very, very conflicted
and he was the leader of the first Commissioner inquiry.
This time around we have 3 new commissioners, none of whom
appear to have any obvious conflicts of interest, and I
have much greater hopes for honesty and transparency with
the findings in Phase 2. So we have, it's a very short
inquiry. It's one year long or no, it's
about 14 months. The findings will be published
in February next year. The New Zealand public had, I
think it was just short of three months.
We, the public, had the opportunity to make their own
submission, as did organisations such as the Health Forum.
The portal for making submissions closed about four
weeks ago now. And the next phase is it's sort
of being revealed as it goes along.
It's almost like it's it's been constructed just ahead of the
announcements. And so one of the phases that
was just announced this week is there is going to be a two week
period where they will be live streamed public interviews, you
know, public statements, speakers, you know, perhaps
myself is a DSOs, you know, other experts in New Zealand,
and that will be live streamed. Unfortunately, it appears it's
only two weeks of the entire process that that is going to be
made visible in a live way. And so whether other interviews
are made into clips that are then shared later, I don't know.
That hasn't been announced. The commissioners have confirmed
that they will be meeting with, with me as a representative of
New Zealand, you know, injectable harmed and mandated
people. And I have written to them now
several times requesting that there can be no worthwhile and
open and transparent enquiry without them making serious
accommodation for meeting with many, many injured people.
It's no, it's no use just talking to me.
They need to hear from the people who are living with
disabilities and hear about what's happened to them.
So I've got my foot on the pedal with that and I'm very hopeful
that that that will happen. So how are you feeling about any
potential outcomes from the results of this inquiry?
Because I have to admit that I'm not overly optimistic about the
the ones happening here. How are you feeling about it at
this point, considering the size of your submission and the
potential opportunity for people to actually speak out?
Do you think that there will be a good outcome?
I'm I'm I'm an unusual maelstrom of conflicting feel feelings
about that. On the one hand, the way that I
sustain myself in this work and I keep going is I try to retain
hope and faith that ultimately truth and justice will prevail.
If I don't keep that, that faith in the face of seemingly exactly
the opposite, I go into a halt. I can only sustain this work
spiritually and emotionally with that that concept present,
present in my mind and my heart. And then the other side of that,
you know, that the little thing sitting on my shoulder is, you
know, we'll look at the evidence, look at what, look at
what, what has happened so far and what continues to happen.
So, you know, I've got this push, pull thing inside of me.
And so that applies to my feelings about the Royal
Commission inquiry as well. I don't envy the task of the
commissioners. I think they were not at all
prepared for the data and the information that has been laid
in front of them In phase one of the inquiry under the last
government, they received a total of 13,000 public
submissions, remembering we're a tiny country.
In phase 248 hours before the public submission portal closed.
So at lunchtime on the Friday, the lead commissioner did a
media interview in which he shared that they had received 7
1/2 thousand public submissions in the next 48 hours before the
closing of the portal. The health forum, New Zealand
doctors speaking out with science.
Another big platform called Reality Check Radio, another big
platform called Voices for Freedom.
We all work together to work up a frenzy on social media with
just manic posting endless lives.
And when we closed, when the public, when the public
submission portal closed 48 hours after the seven and a half
thousand, we closed with 31,000 public submissions.
So as a result of our social media frenzy, we went from 7 1/2
thousand to 31,000 in just over 48 hours because we just
stressed over and over again that we had asked for this
opportunity to be heard. The vax injured had been begging
for an opportunity to be heard. And then when they finally got
that opportunity, they were so disillusioned, so downtrodden,
so exhausted by just living through the last four years, so
disbelieving that anything could change or any what anybody would
would listen to them that they didn't take the opportunity.
And so there was a lot of psychology and support and
cheerleading went into 48 hours. And so we were absolutely
thrilled. 31,000 many of those are injured and mandated out
people. The commissioners were knocked
off their feet. They weren't prepared for that.
They've had to expand their inquiry team and I don't believe
that they will have been in any way prepared for the raw
brutality of thousands of the public submissions they have
received. And I know what's in those
submissions because many of them have come from the health forum,
thousands of them. And most of those people have
also sent them to me. They've sent them to the Royal
Commission inquiry and sent them to me to be held in a database
as well. So we have a permanent record of
those submissions. So I've read them, thousands of
them, and I know what has flooded through that portal.
I can guarantee you that those commissioners were not expecting
those submissions. So what happens as a result of
that? Time will tell.
We'll know by February. I don't envy their position.
I literally pray, I have a faith and I literally pray that they
will find the strength, the courage and the resolve to do
what is right, to seek justice, to speak truth, to, to be the,
the bridge builders and the voices of reason to start
repairing the, the social fabric in New Zealand which appears to
be irrevocably harmed. We're, we're a very, very
fractured society as a result of the New Zealand COVID response.
And, as I pointed out to the Commissioners on more than one
occasion in writing, they are in an incredibly privileged and
rare position to start that tailing through their honesty.
Yeah, thanks for that. It it's we'll have to wait and
see. As with all of these inquiries,
the other one in Scotland and other ones are much longer than
yours and Scotland is about the same size population wise as New
Zealand, around 5 million people.
So we'll, we'll see what happens.
I we're just about out of time, unfortunately, but I just want
to cover one last point, which I know is difficult, but I, I
think it needs to be covered and it's not covered enough is that
UK column has been through this. I believe you've been through
this. Everyone fighting for freedom
and truth is going through this, that for some reason, those of
us in this movement tend to, for whatever reason, either fall
victim to or begin the process of trying to cancel each other,
right? So we say, Oh well, we, we can't
trust him. And, and there's need not even
be a real valid reason behind it or it's irrational or it's, you
know, why are you saying this? We're all trying to fight for
the same thing. And why are you taking sides
against people on your own side? It's a trauma response.
It's a it's a well known psychological feature.
It's a trauma response. And, and, and, and I think this
is something that we need to be aware of because it's, it's,
there's so few of us that are speaking out that those of us
who maybe maybe we have some political differences or maybe
we have, you know, a different way of seeing something.
But ultimately we're all trying to fight for economy.
We're all trying to fight for the, the, the freedom to live as
we know that we should be able to live as human beings on this
planet and that we all need to find a way to work together.
And I'm seeing this trauma response, as you called it.
And I think you've rightfully labelled that, that it, it's
going to hurt us if we don't, if we're not aware of it, if we
don't faith it, if we don't deal with it.
And we start to realise that maybe we have to.
Maybe if you, you were taking the, the world view that you
can't trust anybody. You have to at least trust that
we're all trying to do the right things and not make up things in
your head. And I'm seeing this over and
over again. And I'm saying this because
everyone in this movement has experienced it.
I don't do it myself, but a lot of places are doing it.
And I just want to put this out there, but as we continue to
fight this over the next few years, however long it takes
until we get our freedoms back, that we need to stop doing what
we're doing and realise that we're really all all on the same
side. And we can't be taking sides to
get people on our same side because it is completely
irrational and illogical. So I just would like you to see
if you have any comments on that as we start to wrap up a. 100%
Diane, I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying.
I have steered very cautious ship.
I mean, it is my nature anyway, but I have been very careful to
to steer my own ship, to stay solely in control of the modus
operandi of the health forum, the values, the integrity of our
organisation. And right from the beginning I
have, I was aware that if I sort of joined with other
organisations in some structured way or official way, I would
lose control of the values and the persona of our organisation
and the work we do. And so I have kept very much our
organisation stands alone is what I'm trying to say.
But I have great relationships with all of the other amazing
organisations in New Zealand who, you know, are fighting for
truth and Freedom and Justice for all the harmed people in New
Zealand. I work alongside them
separately. The health forum can bring
something to the table. Many of them are now my friends.
And perhaps as a result of that and a result of the culture that
we've worked very, very hard to develop in the health forum,
I've been incredibly lucky to not actually be the target of
any other. I have not been a victim of
vitriol from other freedom groups in New Zealand.
I, I'm, I'm, I love it, you know, I'm very thankful for
that. I have been the target from many
non freedom groups who, you know, call me an anti vax loon,
a cooker, a conspiracy theorist. None of that worries me at all.
What would worry me more is if I had torn relationships with the
other freedom groups. And I'm very lucky that I don't.
I've got great relationships with all of them and I
wholeheartedly agree that it's vital.
In this world where, you know, enormous wealthy, well funded
forces are doing everything they can to make the voice of truth
and reason disappear, it's essential that we that we
coalesce, that we trust each other and support each other and
work as, you know, a pencil movement 11 force going forward.
So yeah, 100% agree with you, Diane.
Thanks. Thanks for that.
It's such an important point that we can't let ourselves get
fractured. It's are there any other final
comments, insights, things that you would like to say before we
end up because I realise it's getting very late at night, your
time as we record this. OK.
Well, a few things. So I think we can clearly say
five years, five years after, you know, the announcement of
the pandemic, we can clearly say that this is still an evolving
situation. After several years of all
information being suppressed and censored and locked away in
cupboards everywhere, we're on a roll.
Globally, we're on a roll. Just so much information is
coming out, partly as a result of the Royal Commissions of
inquiry. I I'm absolutely, ecstatically
happy about what is happening in America with the new HHS
Secretary, FDACDC, the new Promise transparency.
I can't understand why they haven't already removed the mRNA
injectables. But just putting that to one
side, I think so much more awareness and information is
going to come out from America. So we're very much in an
evolving situation. And I think that the dominoes of
truth are going to begin falling with increasing rapidity.
Rapidity. And the other thing is self
care, right? Because this is a marathon, not
a Sprint. I don't know about you, but I
started out for the first two years, perhaps three years,
treating it as a Sprint, thinking it's going to be over
soon. We're nearly at the finish line
and burning all the resources I had.
And now I realise it's a marathon and to sustain this
kind of work we have to pace ourselves and we have to care
for ourselves. So I'm trying to practise that
more now. And the the other thing I would
say, I don't know where you are on this.
People have got different differing opinions, but I have
spiritual beliefs, I have faith that sustains me.
And I really believe that we are living through spiritual warfare
and we're living through a time where the fight, the fight
between light and dark or good and evil, however you want to
perceive it, the fight that's always been there has been
revealed all at once. So many areas of corruption and
injustice and evil are being revealed in so many different
directions. Not not just COVID connected or
you know, injectable connected power structures I believe will
topple. And I think personally, we're
going to see a lot more mayhem in the years to come and maybe
2-2 to five years before something new grows from it.
So it feels like we're very much in the stormy sees seas right
now and we will sail through to calmer water and perhaps a world
that we can't yet predict or quantify.
You know, I, I think we have to wait and see what's coming while
continuing to fight for truth and justice and transparency.
It is definitely a fight between light and dark, and Brian Garish
talks about this so well that we are in a spiritual battle and
those of us who are fighting it do feel it.
I know I get, I get the heaviness from it from time to
time. And I really have.
Yeah, I have to work hard to fight back on it.
And because they whatever The thing is, whoever different
people have different ways of expressing spirituality and
faith in religion. But whatever, whatever this
thing is, is very heavy and it comes after those of us who are
aware of it and trying to stay on the light side.
And but I want to encourage everyone to not give up because
if more of us work together, I still believe, I say this all
the time. If we work locally as you are in
your country, as I am in my country, work locally, that's
the only way we're going to fight this.
And we all have to stand up and do something in whatever way we
can to fight to maybe you can't organise, you can't organise
thousands of people possibly as you have learned that everyone
can do something small in their local communities.
And the more that we do, the more they're going to be able to
say we can't fight against this many people, especially if
they're going to be getting more and more submissions into your
inquiry or whatever this ends up looking like wherever we are in
the world. So I just want to end with that
bit of encouragement for everyone to try to stand up in
whatever way. And the more that we divide each
other, the less likely it is that we're going to be
successful fighting these evil spirits in the end.
So I want to, I want to thank you again, Linda, for your time.
I also want to thank everyone in New Zealand and everyone down
there in Australia, anywhere in whatever part of the world
you're in. Thank you to those of us who
work hard here in the UK. And it's always really
inspirational to hear that our messages are getting out around
the world as well as we continue to expose everything that's
that's going on. So thank you to those of you.
Thank you for Linda for supporting UK column over this
time. Thank you for your support.
And everyone, if you get up and watch us at 1:00 PM UK time in
the middle of the night in New Zealand, which I hope you don't,
I hope you watch us on playback. But if you do, I know you do.
Thank you all again. This is Diane Ratschwitz Mccatti
with UK Column News. Just had a a really interesting
conversation here with Linda Wharton from the Health Forum.
Thank you all again and have a wonderful day.
Thank you, John. My absolute pleasure.
I really appreciate the opportunity to speak to you.
And thank you UK column news. Bye everyone.
Bye.