1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,120 The UK has been less happy to welcome Middle Eastern 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,760 Christians into British territory, which is kind of 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,240 interesting. But we're too busy welcoming the 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,240 Tak fairies, yes? Exactly. 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:19,640 Syria was a linchpin really for the entire global resistance 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:25,040 axis or the remaining independent countries that 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:30,600 opposed imperialism and opposed the Zionist occupation of 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:36,280 Palestine as being a core element of their foreign policy 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,160 positions, right. And, and so that goes from Iran, 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,280 Yemen, through the whole of the Middle East or or West Asia, but 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:51,720 then also expands into regions of Africa, as we're now seeing 12 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,920 coming under attack. And of course, Latin America, 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,840 Venezuela was an integral part of the resistance axis. 14 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,319 So Machado is also pushing this rhetoric that Hezbollah is 15 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,560 establishing itself in Venezuela, that Iran is 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,880 embedding itself in Venezuela, Hamas is embedding itself in 17 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,600 Venezuela, and so therefore Venezuela represents a direct 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,480 threat to Israel. And of course, I'm sure that 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,720 this was discussed between Netanyahu and Trump. 20 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,440 Hello and welcome to Episode 8 of The Syria Podcast. 21 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,880 I'm joined once again by Vanessa Bailey. 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,240 Welcome to the program, Vanessa. Thank you, Mike. 23 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,680 And I will just say New Year because I don't think any of us 24 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,120 can call it a happy start to the New year as expected to a large 25 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,480 degree. Well, precisely. 26 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,680 And well, we'll call it, You know, this is the Syria podcast. 27 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,320 This is the continuation of a series of podcasts that we 28 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,360 started last year. But actually, we're not going to 29 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:06,080 be spending much time in Syria for this one at all because the 30 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,760 implications of what happened in Syria just over a year ago and 31 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:18,880 and the acceptance by most world leaders now of Jelani as the 32 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,280 head of state of Syria are having massive implications. 33 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,000 And that's really what we want to focus on for this program. 34 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,400 Yeah. I mean, there are rumours, by 35 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,840 the way, that Jelani or Ahmed Al Shahrawaz, he's now known, of 36 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,520 course, having been rebranded by particularly the MI 6, but the 37 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:40,840 entire intelligence card who waged the regime change war 38 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,280 against Syria since 2011. There are rumors and there are 39 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,040 images circulating of him after an ambush in which he was 40 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,720 injured. And he's now in Turkey, 41 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,040 allegedly. This is coming from social media 42 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,160 and I think Turkish media accounts and some Israeli media 43 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,320 accounts. Now, to some degree that 44 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,480 wouldn't be awfully surprising because the writing has been on 45 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,320 the wall and we've written about it and spoken about it at UK 46 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:16,400 column that Jolani's term in power is not going to last very 47 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,760 long because ultimately what's going to happen, Syria will be 48 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:26,600 carved up into spheres of regional influence. 49 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,160 I mean, you know, as you said, we we want to expand from inside 50 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:37,240 Syria to effectively what the fall of Syria actually meant. 51 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:43,960 Syria was a lynchpin really for the entire global resistance 52 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:49,320 axis or the remaining independent countries that 53 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:54,880 opposed imperialism and opposed the Zionist occupation of 54 00:03:54,880 --> 00:04:00,560 Palestine as being a core element of their foreign policy 55 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,480 positions, right. And and so that goes from Iran, 56 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,600 Yemen, through the whole of the Middle East or or West Asia, but 57 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:16,040 then also expands into regions of Africa as we're now seeing 58 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,240 coming under attack and of course Latin America. 59 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:25,680 Venezuela was an integral part of the resistance axis under 60 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,240 Bashar Al Assad's presidency. There were flights established 61 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:37,240 with using Venezuelan airlines to effectively fly from Tehran 62 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,760 to Damascus and Caracas directly. 63 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,400 So that gives you an indication. It gives people an indication of 64 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:48,040 the importance of Venezuela to Syria and of Syria to Venezuela, 65 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,360 and of the connection between Venezuela and Syria with Iran 66 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,320 and effectively the entire resistance axis. 67 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,760 OK. Well, let's sort of because it's 68 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,360 been a few months since we've recorded one of these. 69 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,120 So let's let's start off in Africa actually, because 70 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,320 obviously since the last recording, we've had a number of 71 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,360 things happening, the massive ramping up of the conflict in 72 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:20,960 Sudan, We've had the attack over just around the Christmas period 73 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:26,120 of Nigeria and supposedly Boko Haram by Trump. 74 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:32,600 And but as well as that, we've got problems occurring in book 75 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,040 in Burkina Faso, for example. So, so why do we take each of 76 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,960 those? I mean, do you feel that there's 77 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:47,240 a, a connection between the inflammation of, of what's 78 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,880 happening in Sudan over the last six or eight months in 79 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,360 particular? There's a connection with that 80 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,600 to, to what has happened in Syria or Syria has been a, a 81 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:01,200 driver for that. No, I think for sure you, as I 82 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,520 said, we have to see the fall of Syria as being the opening of 83 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:11,240 the floodgates to Zionist expansion, either through proxy 84 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:16,960 vessel or client states like the UAE, which is operating inside 85 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,800 Sudan on behalf of Israel, but also in Yemen. 86 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,360 You're now seeing the effective isolation of the Antrullo 87 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,800 resistance government in Northern Yemen with Saudi Arabia 88 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,560 and UAE, UAE very much as a proxy of Israel vying for 89 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,640 influence in the eastern territories and southern 90 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,040 territories of Yemen. So again, Yemen is being 91 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:50,960 enclosed by the Zionist bloc within Yemen itself, but also 92 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,960 from the Horn of Africa. The fact that Israel has also 93 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,560 recognized Somaliland and is talking about the conditions of 94 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,360 this, of course, one of the conditions is that it can 95 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:08,200 establish military bases, surveillance bases in Somaliland 96 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,240 and on the coast. And of course, this directly 97 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:17,320 poses a threat to Yemen both now and in the future. 98 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,920 And then yes, you, you have the inflammation, as you said of an 99 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,760 already very tense situation in Sudan that again has been 100 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,080 fermented and stoked and maintained by a number of global 101 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,640 players. But particularly if we're 102 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:40,840 talking about Israel by the UAE that is extracting gold and rare 103 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,360 earth minerals, etcetera, other resources from Sudan itself. 104 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,720 But then if you come into Burkina Faso and Nigeria, as you 105 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,160 mentioned, there's also issues of course in Eritrea and in 106 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,680 Mali. And of course that is also Mali 107 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,880 is also connected into Burkina Faso. 108 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:06,080 Because with Ibrahim Traori, you effectively have a second Thomas 109 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:11,120 Sankara, who of course eventually was assassinated by 110 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:16,680 the imperialist bloc, because Traori represents a new wave of 111 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:21,280 pan Arabism, a new wave of African unity and independence 112 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:27,160 and resource nationalization. So again, this aligns with this 113 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,880 entire resistance block of what had left of independent nations. 114 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:39,440 And very recently, I think it was in the new year, Traore gave 115 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,560 a speech to his people about the incoming dark winter where they 116 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:49,080 had to prepare to unite against the forces that we're going to 117 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:55,400 try and again break apart the the rising pan Arabism that that 118 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,440 he is trying to foster in Central Africa. 119 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,600 And of course, that followed on from, as you mentioned, the 120 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,640 Trump rhetoric of we have to save the Christians from 121 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,040 genocide in Nigeria. Of course, they've done nothing 122 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,440 other than drive out Christians from the Middle East for, for 123 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,040 decades through their various colonialist, imperialist 124 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,200 projects. So I, I have very little belief 125 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,560 in any statements from them claiming to defend Christianity 126 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:29,040 in any way, shape or form globally. 127 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:35,120 But actually when I looked into the areas they actually bombed, 128 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,640 so they claimed they were not bombing Boko Haram, they were 129 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,840 bombing ISIS in Nigeria. So they are kind of two separate 130 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,480 entities, but cohesive in some of their operations and so on. 131 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,440 But the reality? IS to Syria again then. 132 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,040 Yeah, exactly. It's, it's just a branding of 133 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,440 the various terrorist factions that of course the US is 134 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,720 sponsoring in these countries to create division and, and 135 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:10,160 terrorism. And in fact, the area that they 136 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:16,240 bombed was in the north and northwest of Nigeria, which is 137 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,440 actually, if you like, I don't like to use the word stronghold 138 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,760 because that immediately creates a negative impression, but it's 139 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:28,400 the area where the majority of the Shia Muslim communities 140 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,960 reside. And that means Sheikh Zakhzaki, 141 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,680 who's been persecuted by the Nigerian government, the 142 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:38,200 Nigerian government, which of course is is a proxy of the 143 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:44,440 United States interests very much in Africa, have been 144 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:49,840 murdering the Shia Muslim factions in Nigeria for some 145 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,760 time because of their stance on Palestine. 146 00:10:53,680 --> 00:11:00,920 There has also been a historic campaign by Christian Zionists 147 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:06,480 to infiltrate the Christian communities in Africa because of 148 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,080 course, you know, historically Africa has been converted to 149 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,680 Christianity and there are various papers and documents 150 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,600 detailing the fact that Zionist influences spreading into Africa 151 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:24,760 through Christian Zionist influence and and policies. 152 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:30,280 Boko Haram and that whole insurgency in that part of 153 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:35,080 Africa is again parallels to Syria because we have here, we 154 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:41,160 have Islamic extremists created and and funded and armed by the 155 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,960 West. And then we use those as an 156 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,840 excuse to, to carry out our policies in in that region. 157 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,360 But it's very much the same. It's always the same modus 158 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,800 operandi operating in these places. 159 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,240 And in the meantime, in the Western press, we're bombarded 160 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,200 with the narrative that of, of Christian versus Muslim and the 161 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,000 Muslims are genociding the Christians and, and we've got to 162 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,680 hit Muslims. And, and so you know this for, 163 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,480 for the, the, the powers that are, that are manipulating this 164 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,960 situation. It operates on many fronts. 165 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,160 Definitely. And I think, you know the 166 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:27,800 clearest example of that is in Syria where the war that was 167 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:36,760 wage to change regime ended with the emigration of a huge 168 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:41,240 percentage of the Christian population, massive percentage. 169 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:49,880 And now of course, under Jelani or Ahmed Al Sharad, the HTS and 170 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,480 Takfiri forces and ISIS elements are carrying out ethnic 171 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,440 cleansing again of the Christians or putting them in 172 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,280 positions where they feel so threatened within their very 173 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,320 isolated communities now that they're leaving voluntarily. 174 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,840 And of course, it's always been made very easy for Christians to 175 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:15,000 get visas to Canada and to even to the US and so on. 176 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:20,120 The UK has been less happy to welcome Middle Eastern 177 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,760 Christians into British territory, which is kind of 178 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,240 interesting. But we're too busy welcoming the 179 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,200 tax fairies, yes? Exactly. 180 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:31,360 That's that's the whole point. This, this was something that I 181 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,320 wrote about for some time while all successive British 182 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,040 governments were saying we're in Syria to protect the Christians. 183 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,600 But hold on, you're actually preventing them from coming to 184 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:47,480 Britain to to as refugees, but you're both fostering, creating, 185 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,120 radicalizing and exporting tech theories. 186 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,760 And then you're giving them amnesty, if you remember in 187 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,760 around 20/16/2018 to return to Britain. 188 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,280 So, yeah, you know, it's it's sort of extraordinary. 189 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:06,200 But this historical cleansing of Christianity in the region has 190 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,320 been has been a strategy for some time. 191 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:15,800 Because ultimately what they want is a war between the 192 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,560 resistance Muslim factions and the GCC block, which of course 193 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,800 is very much aligned with the Zionist block. 194 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,600 They were created by the British in order to effectively protect 195 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:33,000 the Zionist entity and to act as almost outreach agents for the 196 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,880 Zionist entity. I mean, David Miller sent me a 197 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,320 document that the UAE has released, or it's a secret 198 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,320 document that has been released in which they're complaining 199 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,520 that, well, why did we sign the Abraham Accords? 200 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,080 Because Israel treats us like a, like a servant. 201 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,840 They don't ask us to do things on their behalf. 202 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,680 They basically are ordering us to do things. 203 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,520 And as I said to David, well, they it's a bit late now to cry 204 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,560 victim because this is 1, why you were created. 205 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,000 And two, you've benefited from this partnership to expand your 206 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:11,160 own reach, both in the region, but also now more extensively 207 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:17,200 globally with the backing of the Zionist entity and the movement, 208 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,440 the entire Zionist movement, which of course then is backed 209 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,480 and supported by much of the Western Hemisphere. 210 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,600 Obviously this having a massive impact in North Africa. 211 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,520 Why? What is the, what is the reason 212 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,480 for that? Why is the why is there interest 213 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,040 from Zionism and from the West in this in this region, do you 214 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,600 think? I think there's a number of 215 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,560 aspects to this, of course. First of all, as I said, it's 216 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:50,800 Yemen positioning Israel to effectively both be able to 217 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:56,720 intimidate Yemen, but also to eventually attack Iran. 218 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:02,440 Because if Israel has, they already have put air defence 219 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,840 onto the island of Socotra, South of Yemen, which is sort of 220 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,480 under the control of the UAE. But effectively that means 221 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,280 Israel and it's US air defence systems. 222 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,920 Having control of the Horn of Africa means of course that they 223 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:25,160 also have control of the bubble Mandeb Straits which Yemen has 224 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:32,240 been using to blockade shipping to Israel resources. 225 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,360 From an American perspective, having control again or or not 226 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:42,640 losing control in some instances in Africa generally means 227 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:49,120 excluding China from its soft power, power expansion. 228 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,120 And that is also mirrored in what's happening in Latin 229 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,440 America. We can come on to that because 230 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,960 of course, China to a large degree has a greater foothold 231 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,240 now in Africa than the United States through its soft power, 232 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,680 Chinese government subsidised expansion campaigns, right? 233 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:17,720 And so much of this move by the Zionists and by the US. 234 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:23,359 How I see at the moment is pox Americana, as I call it, Of 235 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,720 course, Pax Americana is definitely on the decline. 236 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,400 But what's happening in my opinion, is we're seeing coming 237 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:35,280 up behind it and almost in a parasitic way, rioting the dying 238 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,880 empire in order to expand their own influence. 239 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,560 Is Pax Judaica the, the Zionist movement expansion economically. 240 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,560 I know when people think about expansion, they, they think of 241 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,400 settlement and and military takeovers because that's what 242 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:57,160 we've seen for 200 years with the United States, right? 243 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,360 My belief and my understanding with the with the Zionist 244 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:08,920 movement is it's looking to effectively in in it not in the 245 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,960 same way as China. It is expanding in the sense of 246 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,360 wanting to settle and impose its policies on those countries 247 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,960 where it is now increasing its influence. 248 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:27,080 But it's also to have economic structures which are to its 249 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,040 benefit. It's kind of a mix of of I 250 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,440 wouldn't say soft power because I don't think the Zionist 251 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,760 movement ever uses any degree of soft power, but let's say 252 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:42,600 economic blackmail and capture, right, not necessarily force 253 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,800 because it relies on the US for the force effectively. 254 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,360 I mean, if we look at what's happening in Israel now, sorry, 255 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:53,640 in Syria now or even in Lebanon beyond bombing, it's very 256 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,080 unlikely that they're going to be successful in any kind of 257 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,280 ground invasion. They're only succeeding in 258 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:04,360 southern Syria because they have some kind of backdoor agreement 259 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:07,000 with Jolani and they always have had that. 260 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,880 The South would effectively be handed over to Israel. 261 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,560 The David's corridor would be established up the eastern 262 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:20,240 border of Syria, connecting with the Kurdish autonomous state in 263 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,080 the northeast and then eventually into Iraq also. 264 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:29,720 So I, I think we're seeing a massive change in the world 265 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,560 order, not necessarily of course, an advantageous one or 266 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,680 far from it. And I think speaking to people 267 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,480 here, people that, you know, study strategy and so on. 268 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,000 And and they've said we're going to see some very odd 269 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,640 partnerships turning up, particularly in Syria, like 270 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:54,680 right now Russia, for example, although it is very partnered 271 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,240 with Israel right now, it's aligning itself and its policy 272 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,120 more with Turkey and France. So you know what I mean? 273 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:06,520 So we're going to see some very odd strategies, alliances and 274 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,800 partnerships coming up. And I think people need to 275 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,640 almost sort of strike a line under the geopolitics that we 276 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,160 know and understand because it's very fluid at the moment. 277 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:22,440 It's very volatile and it's going to change shape multiple 278 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,320 times. Let's move on to, to Latin 279 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,360 America then, because obviously the big news over the the New 280 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:36,520 Year period was Trump's removal from Venezuela of Maduro and his 281 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,600 wife to stand trial on drugs charges, allegedly. 282 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,920 But that's not the only thing that's been going on in Latin 283 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,800 America. The Isaac Accords deal seems to 284 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,080 have been done between Argentina and Israel. 285 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,120 And what fascinated me about the rhetoric around that from, from 286 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:59,720 the, from the the Jerusalem Post in particular, was the 287 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,720 suggestion that this actually was a Latin American accord 288 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,000 rather than just an Argentinian accord. 289 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,320 So there's clearly something bigger than just a single 290 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,840 country going on here. Yeah. 291 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,960 I mean, first of all, just quickly to go back to Burkina 292 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,160 Faso, because while everything was happening in Venezuela, of 293 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,600 course, a lot of people were not seeing or not having it reported 294 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,240 on that France attempted a coup in Burkina Faso, which was 295 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:33,000 actually put down very quickly by the people recognizing what 296 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,640 was happening and rushing to the defence of Traore. 297 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:44,200 So, you know, as I said, since Syria, the entire imperialist 298 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:51,440 block has been emboldened to to implement its strategy for for 299 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:57,040 global dominance. And if we look at just quickly 300 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,240 also the connection between Venezuela and Syria is not only 301 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:08,280 through the resistance access, but in the late 1900s, I think 302 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,720 there's now something like between 700,000 to 1,000,000 303 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,400 Syrians living in Venezuela, many of whom emigrated during 304 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,040 the Ottoman period, when again, the region was struck with 305 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,560 poverty and lack of future, no jobs, unemployment, etcetera. 306 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,480 There was a mass emigration to Venezuela. 307 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,160 But if we look at Argentina, what I find fascinating is that 308 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,680 Argentina has generated under Mile, who is known to be a 309 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:42,760 Zionist supporter. Argentina has generated the 310 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,320 Isaac Accords, which are the equivalent to the Abraham 311 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,640 Accords in the Middle East or in West Asia, which of course are 312 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,640 intended to capture states into the Zionist sphere of influence. 313 00:22:56,120 --> 00:23:01,080 And Argentina was actually considered as a potential State 314 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:07,760 of Israel venue by Theodore Herzl in the late 1800s. 315 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:15,400 Argentina was considered and in fact the the Jews established 316 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:22,960 huge agricultural colonies in Argentina in the 1880s and 317 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,600 there's an area of Argentina called Moises Ville, which is 318 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,680 known as the Jerusalem of Argentina. 319 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,320 There is also consideration that they were looking to establish 320 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,280 some kind of sphere of influence in Patagonia and Chile. 321 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:46,760 So the fact that that the Isaac Accords emanated from Argentina, 322 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,600 it should be no surprise really when one considers the history. 323 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,000 The fact that just as with Cyprus now, where Israel is 324 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,680 expanding again it's reach and influence in competition with 325 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:04,920 Turkey, it's using Argentina, which was it's already 326 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:12,480 historically considered area of interest, to expand Zionist 327 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,240 interests into Costa Rica, Uruguay and Panama who have now 328 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:22,520 also all signed up to the Isaac Accords at the same time. the US 329 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,840 of course is working in its usual election interference, 330 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,800 most recently in Honduras where they definitely interfered in 331 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,880 the election to ensure that a fascist right wing government 332 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,440 was brought to power to counter the remaining socialist 333 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,640 Bolivarian governments in Latin America. 334 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,520 So it becomes very clear that this is a campaign to drive out 335 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,640 again independent countries. Whether you, you know, are a fan 336 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,800 of socialism, it doesn't matter. These countries are independent, 337 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:58,280 they are anti imperialists, they are pro Palestine. 338 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,760 They are a threat effectively to the Zionists. 339 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,320 And not forgetting that American think tanks, Israeli think 340 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,240 tanks, have been putting out this rhetoric for years now, 341 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:17,080 being mirrored by Marina Machado, who of course received 342 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,200 the Nobel Prize and is not at the moment being supported by 343 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,240 Trump to replace Maduro. I think that might change at 344 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:31,200 some point, but WHO has openly voiced support for Israel. 345 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,240 So Machado is also pushing this rhetoric that Hezbollah is 346 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,480 establishing itself in Venezuela, that Iran is 347 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,800 embedding itself in Venezuela, Hamas is embedding itself in 348 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,520 Venezuela, and so therefore Venezuela represents a direct 349 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,400 threat to Israel. And of course, I'm sure that 350 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,960 this was discussed between Netanyahu and Trump when 351 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:01,720 Netanyahu came to to Washington just before the kidnap of 352 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,320 President Maduro. Yeah, I'd like to, I'd like to 353 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,720 sort of consider this possibility of, of Latin 354 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,880 American countries being a direct threat to Israel, exactly 355 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:18,720 how intercontinental ballistic missiles, what, what threats, 356 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:24,040 what possible threat is there to Israel directly of, of an 357 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,000 independent state in Latin America? 358 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,360 What I mean, you know, is this, is this about economic power? 359 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:36,600 Is it, is it just about having the support in the United 360 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,280 Nations for, for their policy in the Middle East? 361 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,200 What, what's, what's the desire for from Israel's point of view 362 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,840 to to have this blanket support in, in a, a continent that's 363 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,920 halfway around the world? Well, I mean how they're selling 364 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,960 it of course to the US is that be careful, you know, Venezuela 365 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,600 is in your backyard and now Hezbollah and Iranian proxies, 366 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,960 etcetera, etcetera can now attack mainland US, right, 367 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,560 That's number one. But the other threat, of course, 368 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,640 they, and, and it's been talked up by organizing like by the 369 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,960 Atlantic and, and West Point and all of these major think tanks 370 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:24,840 is that Venezuela is providing drone manufacturing facilities 371 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,560 for Iran, it's providing training camps and so on for 372 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,680 Hezbollah. So the thought is they will be 373 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:36,120 trained and, and recruited and empowered in Venezuela and then 374 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:41,320 sent back to fight against Israel, which, you know, if if 375 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,680 you consider that the world is at war at the moment, it's not 376 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,680 an unreasonable expectation that members of the resistance axis 377 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:55,200 are going to collaborate and cooperate to, for example, end 378 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,840 the genocide in Palestine and the Zionist occupation of 379 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,520 territory throughout the Middle East. 380 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,120 Now it's not only in Palestine. They've extended into Lebanon, 381 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:11,000 into Syria, as we know, they're putting pressure on Iraq. 382 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:17,280 They're extending into Africa and into Yemen through proxies 383 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,800 or directly. And so even if this were 384 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,080 happening, why wouldn't it happen? 385 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,400 Why wouldn't these countries be defending themselves potentially 386 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,280 against what just happened? Because it was actually Cuban 387 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,880 special forces that took the brunt of the attack. 388 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,840 I think there was something like around 40 Cuban special forces 389 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:46,360 that were killed in the attack. Let's, let's just broaden the, 390 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,920 the, the discussion a little bit because it's, it's something 391 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,560 that I'm not clear about is, is what are the, what are the kinds 392 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,440 of discussions that are happening between these 393 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,480 countries that would consider themselves to be in the 394 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,280 resistance axis? And the reason I ask that is 395 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,440 because I, I couple of over the Christmas break, I was watching 396 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,960 the HBO series John Adams again. And of course, that's talking 397 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,880 about the the War of Independence and we're just 398 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,680 coming into the 250th anniversary, the Declaration of 399 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,760 Independence and whatnot. But some of the, you know, the 400 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,640 conversations that were going on between the original colonies in 401 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:31,160 the United States in their, in, in approaching the decision 402 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:36,480 about whether to oppose Britain and they were sort of saying, 403 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,160 well, you know, Britain wouldn't do that. 404 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,800 And this these kinds of conversations. 405 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,560 And I just wonder, I just wonder, are there parallels to 406 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,600 be drawn here between conversations that might be 407 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,680 going on between within and between the, the, the countries 408 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,520 that are that that we would consider to be in the resistance 409 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,200 axis? Because it does. 410 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:01,160 It does strike me that that maybe Venezuela should have been 411 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,080 a bit more prepared for what happened than they appear to 412 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,440 have been. Yes, I mean, it's kind of 413 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,800 interesting to me that it's largely I, it's the British 414 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,000 press that are that are like the Telegraph that are pushing this 415 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,640 idea that he was betrayed from within, which to me completely 416 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,200 mirrors the narrative on Syria. I'm not saying that there wasn't 417 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,560 betrayal from within in Syria, but there's this parallel 418 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,960 narrative that in Syria, the Syrian narrative army collapsed 419 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,640 completely and surrendered. And, and so then why should 420 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,400 Russia or any of the other allies fight, right? 421 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,360 The same narrative is being put across now immediately in 422 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,800 Venezuela, but literally 48 hours after the event and Syria 423 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,840 one year on, although it's much clearer as to what happened, 424 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,880 it's still not. We don't have full 425 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,400 clarification, but one thing I would say in Syria and now what 426 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:10,080 is coming out through interviews with former Syrian Army officers 427 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,040 and soldiers is they didn't surrender. 428 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,040 They fought to the last man. But what happened on the field 429 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,440 basically put them into disarray and isolated various brigades, 430 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,240 right? Even the Jolani 2 hour 431 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,720 documentary detailing their campaign to reach Damascus, 432 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:36,480 which by the way, in my opinion was entirely strategized by the 433 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,760 British because there's no other country on the planet that would 434 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,720 have come up with the strategy that Jelani used. 435 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,120 Nor if you see him in the operations room, I mean, it's 436 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,720 something that that British military would be proud of, 437 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,080 right? So this was a massive operation. 438 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,960 And in my opinion, just as the British were behind the strategy 439 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:05,440 of the Hagana terrorist forces in Israel when they conducted 440 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,760 the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, they were 441 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,800 behind Jelani's operation entirely. 442 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,680 But even in that documentary, they talk about the fierce 443 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:22,880 resistance from the Syrian Arab Army in all cities and and areas 444 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,960 that they attacked. So they didn't surrender. 445 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,720 They were still fighting long past, you know, when they were 446 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,640 overwhelmed basically by Jelani's forces and by the drone 447 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,240 attacks that were not being intercepted, etcetera. 448 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,440 So I see parallels in this. It's almost like an absolving of 449 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,960 any responsibility because the army stood down. 450 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,400 Maduro was betrayed. So no one wants him anyway. 451 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,320 The same and and the same kind of rhetoric that's been used 452 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,120 also by by Russia largely regarding Syria and is now being 453 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,040 used again in in reference to Maduro. 454 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,960 And so I I find it very interesting this seems to be now 455 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,160 the new MO is to effectively create a situation which it 456 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,400 looks like Maduro has been betrayed. 457 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,040 I'm not ruling out that he was, by the way, but I'm just saying 458 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,000 it's we need to be very careful about rushing to judgement and 459 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,360 saying, well, yeah, you know. But coming back to your point of 460 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,440 should they have been better prepared? 461 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,760 I think it's very difficult to put yourself in the shoes of 462 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,240 someone in the position of former President Assad or even 463 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,880 of current President Maduro and the pressures that that they 464 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,520 were under and and how they read the situation. 465 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,040 But I would say that both presidents, as far as I know, 466 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:50,160 received warnings and and both presidents maybe didn't do 467 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,840 enough or maybe didn't expect or were maybe led to believe that 468 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,280 nothing was going to happen. I find it quite interesting that 469 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,840 the Chinese delegation were there the day before. 470 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,040 Now, I think my my interpretation of that is, and 471 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:12,639 maybe it's what led to Trump's operation literally the day 472 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:18,159 after was because in my belief, China was trying to capture 473 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,679 Venezuela in a sense. It it was trying to say, OK, 474 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,679 look, we'll, we'll deal with you. 475 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:29,960 We'll take the oil against U.S. sanctions, of course. 476 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,960 And China has the processing capability for Venezuela's heavy 477 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,080 crude oil. So, so does the US. 478 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,600 That's why the US needs Venezuelan oil, because the oil 479 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:51,000 that the US is producing, as someone described it, it's a bit 480 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,600 like putting champagne through a diesel plant. 481 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,400 It's, it's, it's too light. They actually need the heavy 482 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,360 crude Venezuelan oil, but so does China. 483 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,120 And so according to some reports, China was saying, look, 484 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,880 we'll start dealing in alternative currencies to the 485 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,440 dollar. We want to become a partner of 486 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,200 Venezuela in the oil industry. And perhaps they were offering 487 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,560 investment and so on. And and this because what Trump 488 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,440 needs is, is that those collateral resources, they're 489 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,480 worthless at the moment to the US because I think it needs 490 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,440 something like 40 billion investment into the Venezuelan 491 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,120 oil industry before it can be viable as as a, as an operating 492 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:50,560 oil provider for the US, right? But from AUS point of view, it 493 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,920 needs to secure that collateral. It can't see it disappear off to 494 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,800 China, right, Or even to Russia, but kind of to a lesser extent. 495 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,040 I think with Russia, I think China was the big threat and 496 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,720 China is the major threat in Latin America also. 497 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:14,160 So again, like with Africa, this is also about suppressing 498 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,520 Chinese influence, and particularly in what the US 499 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:24,200 considers to be its backyard. OK, Now, I wasn't suggesting 500 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,480 any, any direct criticism by the way, in, in what I said earlier, 501 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,360 but the reason I asked the reason, but the reason I asked 502 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,880 that question was because, you know, we're talking about a 503 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,520 resistance axis. But what I'm not saying in that 504 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,520 resistance axis, and correct me if I'm wrong about this, is 505 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,800 coordination collaboration in the sense that there that they, 506 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,560 that there's a recognition of a common. 507 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,120 I mean, they obviously recognize there's a common, a common 508 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,000 threat, but they still seem to be operating relatively 509 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,840 independently and, and which allows the common threat to pick 510 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,920 them off one at a time. And, and I just wonder, I'm just 511 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,360 wondering what the conversations are likely to be that are going 512 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:12,880 on between them and why they're not cooperating in a much closer 513 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,240 way. I think geographically for many 514 00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:20,520 of them it's difficult. I mean, you know, if you look at 515 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:28,080 the distance between Iran and Caracas, Venezuela or Cuba, and 516 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,680 also another aspect which we shouldn't forget is of course 517 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,640 the power of sanctions. You know, the the fact that it's 518 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,760 very difficult for them to communicate or even, I mean, 519 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,880 there was an air embargo on Venezuela, there was a shipping 520 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,120 embargo on Venezuela. There was something very similar 521 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,320 on Syria and of course on Iran also. 522 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,360 But they do find ways to communicate. 523 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,440 I mean, for example, Iran is still in communication with the 524 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,360 various members of the resistance axis in West Asia. 525 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,360 I'm quite sure that Iran is in touch with elements in Africa 526 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,960 and even in Latin America. But I think a lot of it goes 527 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,360 below the radar and it isn't reported on because to a degree 528 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,320 it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be visible because 529 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,280 then it's it's very easy for what is a predatory imperialist 530 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:30,560 complex to to interfere with these communications and also to 531 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:35,280 survey these communication. I mean, not forgetting when one 532 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:41,000 talks about these kind of intelligence operations and, and 533 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,200 someone said to me, you know, Trump won't do anything. 534 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,720 He's too much of A narcissist to do something if he thinks it's 535 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,800 going to fail. Well, that's not true. 536 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:55,920 In 2019, he sent the US Navy Seals to North Korea. 537 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,880 It's an incredible story. And they were supposed to 538 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:07,840 install the listening devices prior to Kim Yong UN's meeting 539 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,560 with President Putin on nuclear development. 540 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,920 And what happened was they were supposed to land from the sea. 541 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,200 It was a complete mess. They ended up murdering Korean 542 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,400 fishermen who who saw their lights because they'd parked the 543 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,360 submarine, one pointing forward and one pointing back. 544 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,600 And at one point, they tried to move one submarine to be level 545 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,040 with the other one, but they'd left their lights on and, and 546 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,720 the bubbles from the submarine moving went to the surface mixed 547 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,600 with the lights. Then the fishermen saw them, so 548 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,120 they killed the fishermen. They got out of there, but the 549 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,480 submarine had to come in even closer to to pick them up. 550 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,320 And then the Korean security services were swarming in the 551 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,560 area. That's a bit of a diversion, but 552 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:59,440 I'm just saying, do you know that there is communication, but 553 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:06,640 the problem is that. These countries or states or non 554 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,400 state actors are constantly under threat of assassination, 555 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,640 of kidnap. There was 1 Iranian military 556 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,280 official who came out and said we know that they were planning 557 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,680 the same thing during the 12 day war that they've just conducted 558 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,640 in Venezuela. So they're consistently under 559 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,920 threat of this kind of attack. So the communications have to be 560 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,360 kept to the minimum and below the radar, but it doesn't mean 561 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,200 that they're not ongoing. But in that situation, they're 562 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,760 they must be in a relatively weak position and or is that, is 563 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,400 that unfair? No, it's not unfair. 564 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,680 I mean, of course they are. They don't have the resources, 565 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,960 they don't have the power, They don't have the military 566 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,160 industrial complex supporting them that the Western 567 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,560 imperialist powers, colonialist powers have and that the Zionist 568 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,120 block has basically because they have the backing of that 569 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,080 military industrial complex and they produce their own, of 570 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:10,320 course, also with investment from members of that complex. 571 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:19,400 So they are to a degree in a commercial military economic 572 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,920 basis. They are in a weaker position 573 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,400 from an ideological position. No, they're much stronger 574 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,120 because they're fighting for for for their homeland, for a 575 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,600 belief, for their ideology. They're not fighting for 576 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,800 supremacy or dominance. They're just fighting to protect 577 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,360 their own sovereign interests. Let's sort of come back to our 578 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,520 own countries then for a second, because obviously what happened 579 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,240 in in Syria and with every regime change operation that 580 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:53,480 we've seen in the last 40 years, but particularly with this 581 00:41:53,480 --> 00:42:01,360 absolutely blatant Venezuelan operation, we see the West yet 582 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,440 again trampling all over international law. 583 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:13,160 And, and, and really, OK, there's been some kind of outcry 584 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,040 from, you know, people on the, the supposedly global S. 585 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:24,960 But for our own populations, it seems that that we are willing 586 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,680 to accept this kind of behaviour from our leaders. 587 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,560 And we have been pretty much since Tony Blair in particular. 588 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:38,480 So the fact that he's not in prison indicates to me that that 589 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,680 perhaps it's a lack of awareness on on on our own population's 590 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,400 part point of view. But but you know, is is the 591 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,480 first step in fighting against this to to try to educate what 592 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,640 international law is, what it represents, and why we shouldn't 593 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,320 be allowing our leaders to just trample over it in the way that 594 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,360 they are. Yeah. 595 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:08,600 I mean, my view to a degree is that the entire international 596 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:16,080 law, institutional body, including the UN, including the 597 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,160 ICJ, the ICC, et cetera, are all captured. 598 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,560 They're toothless, effectively. And so, you know, when people 599 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,080 talk about, let's call an emergency meeting at the UN 600 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,680 Security Council, what does it mean? 601 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,480 Did it manage? Did the UN manage to bring an 602 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,120 end to the genocide for two years? 603 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:41,240 No, of course it didn't. And so in my opinion, what 604 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,400 actually needs to happen and that it needs to happen both on 605 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,160 a macro and a micro level is people need to start those 606 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,840 people who are genuinely aligned in their ideology. 607 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,080 In other words, anti imperialist, not necessarily pro 608 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,680 multi polar, but multi nodal where those countries have 609 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,600 sovereignty and they have control over who they do trade 610 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,720 with, who has any influence within their country, etcetera. 611 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,440 So that there isn't this governance by either a unipolar 612 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:21,240 or a multi power, sorry, multi polar still to a large degree 613 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,960 superpower, which isn't necessarily going to take into 614 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,720 account the sovereign peoples, the working class and the 615 00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,920 populations of the countries in which they want to gain sphere 616 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,240 of influence, right? And so those countries that 617 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:41,600 genuinely believe in equity and equality globally, an end to 618 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,240 oppression and so on, should create an alternative 619 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:47,960 environment in which they conduct what should be known as 620 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,920 international law. So they run parallel to the US 621 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,000 version of international law, but they form a body in which 622 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,400 they create the environment in which they can talk about 623 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,200 actions to be taken in response to violation of the 624 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,080 international law that they could create. 625 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:14,320 I know that this is kind of a far off vision, but it's still 626 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,960 something that we need to look at. 627 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,400 I remember in 2014, the dissident comedian Giordano in 628 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,360 France, he was doing exactly this. 629 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,080 He was creating institutions and organizations like insurance 630 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,800 companies away from the established insurance companies 631 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,400 who were basically ripping you off. 632 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,400 So he wasn't interfering with them, but he was creating 633 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,480 something on a parallel basis. And that is it's it's some, it's 634 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,360 a concept which I think all of us need to start thinking about. 635 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,440 Why are we allowing ourselves to be captured by systems that are 636 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:58,160 there to effectively oppress us, censor us punishers for for 637 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,160 whatever dissident thought we might have against whatever 638 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,280 policy is is incoming? And you know, I think this is 639 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,320 absolutely right. I think, I think if you remember 640 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,680 a couple of years ago, Michael Gove published the new 641 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,720 definition of extremism in the UK. 642 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:16,560 And, and you know, this is still the definition used by the 643 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,840 Starmer regime. And they introduced this, this 644 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,000 concept of creating parallel institutions as being somehow an 645 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,760 extremist act. And, and that should be in that 646 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,360 should be an indication, you know, as to the direction we 647 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,840 should be thinking. But my question is, but 648 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,160 obviously, you know, at some point that needs to happen at a, 649 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,920 at an international level. And the question is, is, is the 650 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,000 United Nations such a busted flush that that it could never 651 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,640 be redeemed from this point of view? 652 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,960 I mean, obviously there are many aspects to the UN that that are 653 00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:54,160 worthy of criticism, net zero and, and Agenda 2030 and 21 654 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,000 being one aspect of it. But if we just, I think with 655 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,560 the, with the international law aspect of it and the UN Charter 656 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,680 and the Security Council and so on, is that such a is that such 657 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,000 a compromised institution at this point that it needs to be 658 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,840 replaced it? Needs a major overhaul if you're 659 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,440 going to keep it. But I mean, you would say the 660 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,800 same about the BBC on a, on a lower level, is it better to get 661 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,800 rid of the BBC? And for a grassroots, I know 662 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,000 it's very difficult because then you have the issue of 663 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,720 infiltration and so on. But it's, it's the same issue. 664 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:31,280 Yes, if you got rid of the veto, for example, you might be able 665 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:38,840 to, to restore some of, of the kind of equity within the UN, 666 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,600 but that's going to be as soon as you put through a, a 667 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,920 resolution like that, it'll be vetoed. 668 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:49,680 So this is the point it's at the moment I, I don't see how the UN 669 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,040 becomes workable, to be honest, I, I really don't. 670 00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:55,760 And, and I've been watching a lot of sort of interviews 671 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,080 talking about this very subject and even Ambassador Charles 672 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,640 Freeman, I was watching him yesterday. 673 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,440 He was saying the same thing. He said it's completely defunct. 674 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,640 It's, it's, it's just not workable anymore. 675 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,200 And even if you turned it upside down and, and rewrite all of 676 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:18,640 the, you know, the, the, the rules and regulations, I, I 677 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,520 don't, he doesn't see, and I don't see how it is going to be 678 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,720 reversed or, or renovated to be anything which is fit for 679 00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:32,480 purpose while you still have the dominance of the countries 680 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,600 within it. But that's the thing. 681 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,240 That's why I think it has to be something which is actually 682 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:44,720 created in competition to the dominant imperialist book. 683 00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:48,000 And that's going to be, that would be a pretty difficult 684 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,720 thing to do. Just just looking at it from the 685 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:57,760 point of view of, of how sort of how you know, the disparate 686 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,640 opinions that, that, that are out there, that it's, it's going 687 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,600 to be extremely difficult to, to sort of end up with getting a 688 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,640 path that that most people can agree to. 689 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,480 But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. 690 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,440 No, exactly. And I think you know to a 691 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,800 degree, if it can succeed at a micro level, then then you can 692 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,440 understand the workings of it. I mean, quite a few people are 693 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,120 starting to do this kind of thing now. 694 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,560 They're starting to establish communities, starting to 695 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,760 establish systems outside of of the central system in order to 696 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,240 protect their communities, their families and their so on. 697 00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:42,400 So I think you know, because the problem is you mentioned the 698 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,960 fact that you were watching. John Adams. 699 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,560 John Adams yes, sorry. And it's the fact that a lot of 700 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,360 the resistance countries, everyone is still reliant on 701 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,560 international law as it is right now. 702 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:06,200 And the problem is that creates a kind of prison because you're 703 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,560 you're screaming into a void. Nothing's going to be done. 704 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,600 I watched the speech by Vaselina Bencia, who has actually 705 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:19,000 maintained a very principled stance both on Palestine and now 706 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,400 on Venezuela and previously on Syria. 707 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,560 Great. But it's going to achieve 708 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,560 nothing. It's not going to change 709 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,800 anything. Nothing changed on Palestine 710 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,440 through the UN. Nothing. 711 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,640 Even with all of of the weapons that potentially the UN has. 712 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,080 I mean, why didn't it use responsibility to protect? 713 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,800 Because it would be vetoed by the countries that have 714 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:49,680 benefited from responsibility to protect, to overthrow dissident 715 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:57,080 nations and regimes, right? Do you think that's because do 716 00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,800 you think it achieved nothing? Because nobody is aware of what 717 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:08,120 he said. Actually, yes, you know, that's 718 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,200 because because the activities on on that forum never get 719 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,680 reported on in the press. Nobody ever gets to hear what 720 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,200 anybody says or what anybody attempts to do. 721 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,000 There's never any criticism of the misuse of the of veto powers 722 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,360 in, in the Security Council, unless it's Russia or China 723 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,600 that's vetoing something, you know, an invasion of a country 724 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,080 or something by the by the US or. 725 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,120 Petro, for example, from from Colombia, who, who gave a very 726 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,920 strong speech in the UN and guess what, immediately had his 727 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,640 visa taken away from him by Tron, you know, so, so this is 728 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,240 the point. It's, it's almost like you're, 729 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,520 you're fighting in a gladiator forum, right? 730 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,520 And, and ultimately the US is the emperor that that puts the 731 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,440 thumb up or down. That's it. 732 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,520 I mean, this is completely off topic, but I'm just going to 733 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,400 throw it in here. But if, if anybody isn't aware 734 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,480 of what Trump has just done to Mark Kelly, by the way, the the, 735 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,560 the Democrat senator who former military man who suggested that, 736 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,920 you know, perhaps U.S. military personnel should not be obeying 737 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,920 bad orders. This is absolutely a 738 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,400 constitutional statement. But Trump has just accused him 739 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,200 of sedition. And, and so, and I mean, this 740 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,840 is, this is Nazi Germany style suppression of freedom of 741 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,200 speech. And it's quite, quite 742 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,000 incredible. But anyway, look, look, we got 743 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,480 to, we got to finish off what I'd like to, to just finish off 744 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,320 with is obviously Maduro is in court. 745 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:47,680 He's naturally pled not guilty to the charges. 746 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,200 What do you think is, is going to be the outcome of this? 747 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:57,000 And and is this is Iran next or who's next for, for, for this 748 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,640 kind of treatment, do you think? Well, I mean, you know, they're 749 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:05,120 they're basically denying him his right to immunity as 750 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,320 president. And, and this was the precedent 751 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:16,000 sent precedent set by the overthrow of Manuel Noriega in 752 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:22,600 1990, where they said basically, I'm paraphrasing, the US didn't 753 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,960 recognize the government of Noriega and therefore he didn't 754 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,000 have the right to immunity in an American court. 755 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,280 And so that precedent is now being used, levied against 756 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,120 Maduro. But when you talk about the 757 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,800 craziness of or how Trump is out of control, one of the 758 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:51,680 accusations is that Maduro has machine guns and under American 759 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,680 gun laws, this is shouldn't be allowed. 760 00:53:54,680 --> 00:54:03,440 And it's just like what? But this is the insanity of, of 761 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:10,400 the Trump administration. And I think unfortunately, I 762 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,320 mean, I, I just had a skim through the charges that are 763 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,960 being brought against him and even against Killa Flores or 764 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,400 Chilla Flores, however you pronounce her name. 765 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,160 And my apologies if I mispronounced her. 766 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,280 They're accusing her of, of orchestrating kidnappings and 767 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:34,320 murders and so on. And they're refusing her medical 768 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,880 treatment, according to the Telegraph reporter who was in 769 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,440 the court. And apparently she's covered in 770 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,600 bruises on her face. She's got broken ribs from the 771 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,160 actual kidnapping. And they're refusing her medical 772 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,440 treatment. So of course, and they, they are 773 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:57,920 basically out of the norm. They're parading Maduro around, 774 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,080 right? Which is just disgusting. 775 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,000 I mean, this is reminiscent, as many people have pointed out of, 776 00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,440 of, you know, the the ancient Roman Empire towards its ends, 777 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,160 where they were parading or, or massacring Christians, for 778 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,160 example, and putting their bodies on, on crosses in the 779 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,200 upper nine way and so on. This is where we're reducing 780 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:23,240 down to a level of monstrosity that, as I've said before, it 781 00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:28,560 signals to me the decline of 1 empire in the rise of another. 782 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,600 But unfortunately, I think the rise of the other is going to be 783 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,560 the packed Judaica on the back of the dying American empire, 784 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,240 which is going to bring it again into competition, particularly 785 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:45,240 with China. Because if we come back to Latin 786 00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:48,680 America, the number of investments and of course, China 787 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,600 risks losing all of its investments if, for example, 788 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,840 this strategy is also conducted in other countries where China 789 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,880 has increased its sphere of influence and its investment. 790 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:06,280 I mean, China today has invested around 20 billion into Latin 791 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,360 America, a lot of that into Venezuela. 792 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,000 And just very quickly to end with a point which which I think 793 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:19,320 demonstrates what I'm talking about, the Venezuela oil 794 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,880 subsidiary company that was based in the United States, 795 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,440 Citgo, which basically because the US has been putting 796 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:33,040 sanctions on to Venezuela for decades, it couldn't repay it's 797 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,280 loans. So it was put it into auction 798 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:44,000 November last year and it was bought up by Paul Singer under 799 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,280 his vulture investment fund company, Elliott Investment 800 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,000 Management through a subsidiary of that called Amber Energy. 801 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,880 Now the company is worth around 15 to 18 billion. 802 00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,080 It was bought for 5.9 billion. But the interesting thing about 803 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,560 Paul Singer, not only has he supported Trump's campaign both 804 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:09,000 in 2016 and, and his recent campaign for the presidency, and 805 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:14,240 he's also supported Trump's campaigns against his detractors 806 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:20,040 like Thomas Massie, but he's also a major, I think he's #7 in 807 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:25,960 the list of donors to Israel. So again, this demonstrates very 808 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:31,200 clearly the Israeli Zionist hand on on what is going on inside 809 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,040 Venezuela. I think the only other point I 810 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,440 would make is that people have gone on the streets and if we 811 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:45,360 remember in 2002 they kidnapped Chavez and there was a mass 812 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,480 uprising in Venezuela and and they basically gave Chavez back. 813 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,640 My inclination is to say under Trump, I don't think that's 814 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,880 going to happen personally. Yeah. 815 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,120 OK. Well, let's leave it there for 816 00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,280 today. I'm going to say thank you very 817 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,840 much, Vanessa, for that has been a fascinating conversation. 818 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:13,360 The world is a rapidly changing place at the moment and it's a 819 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,280 lot change is largely being driven by our leaderships. 820 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:23,000 And so, you know, this, this as usual, you know, lots of people 821 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,680 don't quite grasp why international affairs are their 822 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,200 problem, but everything that's going on in this world is our 823 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,280 problem. And, you know, I think it's 824 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:39,600 naive to think if it's that they they're they're going to do that 825 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,720 to those countries, but they wouldn't do that to our own. 826 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:46,640 I think we're living through a pace of change in our own 827 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,160 country where people increasingly don't recognize it, 828 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,240 but they want to strike out at the, at the immigrant or at the 829 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,560 Muslim or whatever it happens to be. 830 00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,840 And, and not focusing on who's, who's driving this, these 831 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,240 policies in the 1st place. I think we've always got to keep 832 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,920 an eye on who that is. I think the point is, if all 833 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:10,160 these independent countries are bought to heal and and 834 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,960 incorporated into the transnational ruling elite 835 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,480 complex, then we're next. That's without a doubt, because 836 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,000 then there's nothing standing in their way. 837 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,400 There's no distraction from focusing in on bringing their 838 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,960 own populations under control. Indeed, Thank you, Vanessa, and 839 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,160 thanks for joining me. Thank you.