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You last recorded with me, it 

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must be 4 years ago, I think 
around 2021. 

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But there was a couple of things
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that I've never forgotten. 
And I think I told you this in 

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an email and that was it was 
just in passing in fact, where 

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you mentioned that you don't 
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wear sunscreen. 
Oh good, that's great. 

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Yeah, I really, I just get so 
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I almost can't stop myself from 
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with a little 2 year old and the
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sunglasses. 
I'm like what is matter here? 

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This is so crazy because the 
kids really need the sunlight to

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to help their brain mature. 
I mean, it's so important. 

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Exactly. 
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the sun. 
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problem is that it's free and 
Farmer doesn't like things that 

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are free and good for you, which
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And so it claims you have to 
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makes you sick and then they can
sell products. 

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You know, it's I'm very cynical.
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say stay out of the sun and take
the take vitamin D, you know, 

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and that's. 
Why would you? 

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Yeah, well, I mean, why would 
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Take vitamin D as a pill instead
of going out in the sunlight. 

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I'm like hello? 
It's crazy. 

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I just don't. 
I can't fathom why they think 

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that's a good idea. 
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the years now a few times with 
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sunscreen and sunglasses and 
something that you know, comes 

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up as well. 
Do you have peer reviewed 

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science? 
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say the COVID era has taught me 
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reviewed science anyways. 
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can't be trusted. 
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There is so much censorship 
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difficult to get things 
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especially if they go against 
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because pharma really guards his
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And if you're going to criticise
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It's really hard to get that 
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Yeah. 
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of experimenting on myself 
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It just didn't make sense to me 
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you. 
I mean, I don't, I don't. 

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I generally like things that are
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the sun is there and it's a 
source of energy. 

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You know, the plants can't live 
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They make, they, they, they use 
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matter using the sunlight as a 
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And we use the sunlight too, in 
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vitamin DI believe. 
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And so I just lived that way and
I didn't know what would happen 

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to my eyes as I got older, 
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Like would I have all kinds of 
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getting abused by sunlight? 
Here I am 77. 

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I don't have any issues with my 
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I've been I've been to the 
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cataracts. 
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have already had cataract 
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Do you think that's related to 
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I do to not wearing sunglasses. 
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healthy. 
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have what's called the Kalahari 
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That's just, it's just north 
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above the country. 
It's a huge, huge desert. 

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was for me a great opportunity 
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sunscreen for this entire trip. 
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my sunglasses for those moments 
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reflecting the sun just a bit 
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sun is setting and you can't, 
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can't see, you know, if I'm 
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wear, I don't have sunglasses 
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I just I just deal with it by 
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Right. 
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that entire trip in the desert 
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sunscreen and I didn't get 
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That's so great. 
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naturally. 
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know, dark skinned people 
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dark skin, the melanin in your 
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So, so I mean, my ancestors come
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because I'm African, I have a 
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exceptionally white and. 
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light. 
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evolutionary process because you
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can when there's very little to 
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So people who live up north have
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able to absorb more sunlight, 
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like that in, so for example, in
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light skinned people live in 
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a pretty intense sun could be 
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I think 'cause your, your 
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ancestors that lived up north, 
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should just burn, you know, And 
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you to burn your skin and to the
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cotton. 
Outfits and that's much better, 

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what is sunscreen? 
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concoction that you rubbing into
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Stuff in there, it's got 
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absorbs through the skin and 
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I really feel it's a big 
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summertime get a lot of sun 
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terms of dealing with the 
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The sunlight helps them to deal 
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cancers. 
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it's a good idea to get a lot of
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cancer. 
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skin cancer? 
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concerned about with glyphosate,
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See if I can hold it up. 

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Toxic legacy, how the weed 
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our health and the environment. 
So glyphosate disrupts the 

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shipmate pathway in the plants 
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aromatic amino acids and those 
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melanin, the skin tanning agent.
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lot of glyphosate exposure, your
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that's why you can't tan too, 
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melanin. 
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sourced from the pathway in the 
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glyphosate. 
So what you're saying is that 

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the sun can cause cancer? 
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to chemicals like glyphosate 
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ability to protect yourself. 
I mean, that's the trick. 

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The toxic chemicals are really 
twisting our minds because they 

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are causing problems that 
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If you're just living naturally,
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you're exposed to the toxic 
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your natural mechanisms to 
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What did people do 1000 years 
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What were the Viking? 
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What were they doing? 
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sun. 
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I mean, people in the old times 
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you know, I mean, sunscreen 
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sunglasses. 
I'm sure they just went without 

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So how did they cope? 
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things are weird to say that 
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yourself with sunscreen and to 
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If that's natural, it doesn't 
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So I'm very much into natural, 
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There's a lot of issues with 

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pharmaceutical drugs, you know, 
I'm like really pure. 

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cancer, in his view, didn't 
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That's interesting, right? 
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Yeah, I think the chemical 
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now as a as a species. 
And we are, we have this 

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incredible power in the 
chemistry lab to make all these 

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exotic things. 
And then we feed them to people.

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You know, we create all these 
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herbicides and insecticides and 
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we don't mind eating the food 
that's contaminated, 

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contaminated with all these 
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And anything that's not natural 
to me is dangerous, any 

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chemical. 
And, and, and we are going wild 

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with these chemicals. 
There's so many new ones 

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appearing every day, you know, 
and, and with inadequate testing

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for sure of what that chemical 
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And so, and when people study 
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these papers that study 
different foods and different 

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kinds of fats and everything. 
They never worry about what are 

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the toxic chemicals in those 
different choices. 

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So if you have two different 
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the other one isn't, and you're 
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the chemical that's in it, not 
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So they get all mixed up on 

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these. 
Nobody can figure it out with 

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the fats because they're not 
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of the fat that's more important
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what kind of toxic chemicals are
a big issue with foods is 

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whether it's, to what degree is 
it processed and you want to 

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have minimally processed foods 
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I mean, I have certain, I, I 
actually have a whole profile 

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of, we have all these different 
people who have different 

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It's so amazing. 

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In fact, there's a group right 
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discussion where there are 
people who think that vegetables

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terrible and you should only eat
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fighting with each other. 
Each one is making, trying to 

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make their case why they're 
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It's so interesting, you know, 
that you've got all these diets 

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and, and nobody can figure out 
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Even after all these years and 
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know, right? 
It's amazing. 

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I mean, I have my own opinion 
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and, and what I believe in. 
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chemicals. 
Certified organic. 

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Absolutely #1 #2 is fermented 
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Fermented dairy is fantastic and

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high fat dairy, not low fat 
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I never have bought low fat 
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fat, non fat. 
I won't buy it my whole life, 

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always fat in the dairy. 
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whipped cream, ice cream, 
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particularly animal based fats. 
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healthy. 
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fish, you know, scallops, all of
those really, really, really 

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healthy foods. 
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beef, you know, organic chicken,
those are all good. 

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vegetarian. 
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vegetables because they have 
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garlic, also good sulphur 
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sulphur in your diet. 
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sulphur high fat, plenty of 
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protein and then cruciferous 
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Every day I have a salad and and
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fermented food. 
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dressing. 
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I go hunting once, maybe once or
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Cool. 
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pretty much as close as you're 
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Right, yes. 
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that you want, is that right? 
For sure, Yeah. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah. 

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But it's not, I mean, it's game 
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quite lean, so. 
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I also like more fat. 
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agree with that. 
I think it's saturated. 

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Fat got demonised so well way 
back when, and people have a 

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hard time forgetting that, you 
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sceptical if someone says, Oh 
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about it. 
They don't believe it, you know,

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because they've been brainwashed
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saturated fat is bad. 
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issue about Omega threes versus 
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You know, Doctor Mercola has 
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Fats are terrible lately. 
He's totally hung up on that. 

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And that puzzles me also because
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You know, both omega-3 and Omega
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is the best because it can't be 
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they get oxidised in part 

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because of the toxic chemical 
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So you're kind of back there 
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I wonder if we get caught up in 
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I mean, again, like I said 
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didn't know about amigas and and
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who it was now. 
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fewer the ingredients the 
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Right. 
That's a good, a good algorithm.

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If you see like a soy protein 
bar and it's got all these 

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chemical ingredients, you know, 
don't buy it, right? 

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I would not. 
I never ate soy protein bars 

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even when I didn't know about 
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It just didn't seem natural, you
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Whole Foods. 
When you talk about being as 

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natural as possible, one of the 
one of the topics that's taboo 

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is, you know, shower products 
like your shampoos and your 

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soaps and things. 
Yeah, those are hard. 

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I really, I really have a hard 
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Whenever I I need shampoo, I go 
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these things and I'm like, I 
don't like any of them. 

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You know, they have a huge 
number of ingredients in them. 

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I wouldn't mind, you know, just 
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don't do. 
I mean, I do buy one of the sort

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of herbal shampoos, but I'm not 
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of that, because I just don't 
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Yes, but where did we get this 
idea that we must wash our hair 

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every two or three days? 
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Sometimes people do it every 
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you wash. 
A journal away, I think that's 

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probably not good. 
Yes, I've come to that 

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conclusion myself to to wash 
your hair less frequently. 

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And the thing with sunglasses 
that, that, that I thought a lot

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about after you mentioned it on 
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I said earlier, maybe question 
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sunglasses? 
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the full light spectrum actually
is. 

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And what you're doing is that 
you're, you're restricting it. 

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Exactly. 
Yes. 

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And, you know, it's one of those
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message that seems clear to say 
UV light is dangerous, you know,

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for your eyes and you need to 
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And you can do that by buying me
sunglasses. 

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And I, the sunglass company will
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that. 
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make you believe that I'm right 
about that. 

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Stephanie, I don't know if you 
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if you've always been kind of on
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critical thinking, but would you
go back to 2019? 

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Would I like to go back to 2019?
What do you mean by that? 

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So I change my views on a lot of
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Since the whole COVID thing 
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everything and I would not like 
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because. 
I feel you've matured because of

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your experience with COVID, 
right? 

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Yes. 
So that's kind of what I'm 

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asking you. 
Yeah, well, for sure, although I

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was already most of the way 
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COVID, the COVID vaccine 
convinced me that it convinced 

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me that all vaccines are bad. 
I mean, I was moving in that 

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direction already. 
And once the COVID vaccine came 

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on the market, I was like done 
with vaccines, you know, it, it 

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became very clear to me. 
COVID was so horrible. 

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The COVID vaccine and the way 
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it was just awful. 
I could not believe that it was 

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happening. 
Even I, you know, I remember 

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back when they had warp speed, 
they were just trying to develop

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it really fast with Trump was 
the president and, and that was 

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before the vaccine existed. 
They were going to just like 

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roll it out of the market really
fast. 

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And I and they mRNA technology 
and I immediately started 

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researching the mRNA technology 
as soon as I heard about the 

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fact that they were developing 
this. 

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And I remember at the time I 
thought, well, there's no way 

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that they're going to mandate 
this vaccine. 

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You know, they, they may put it 
on the market prematurely, 

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having not studied enough, but 
they won't force us to get it. 

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They can't possibly force us to 
get it. 

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And then there I was at MIT 
mandated COVID vaccine. 

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I was so shocked, you know, and 
I was like, I'm not getting that

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vaccine. 
So I, I crafted a religious 

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exemption, did my best to argue 
a religious exemption, submitted

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it and they granted it, which 
was really fortunate. 

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I was afraid they wouldn't and I
thought I'd have to go on unpaid

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leave. 
They granted it on the condition

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that I don't show up at work. 
I work from home all the time. 

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And, and that's why I sold my 
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So that was kind of a benefit, a
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mandate for me was that I, I got
to move to Hawaii and I'm still 

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working for MIT remotely. 
That's amazing because I know a 

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lot of people who lost their 
jobs because they thought. 

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That they had denied that. 
I'm grateful to MIT, that they 

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accepted my religious exemption 
request. 

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So yeah, I would have. 
Lost, but I mean, it's sad that 

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it came to that it. 
Was crazy. 

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What do you think was going on, 
Stephanie? 

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Well, I felt actually I figured 
out early on, I suspected that 

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the whole point of the whole 
storyline was to get the mRNA 

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technology out the door because 
they were very, they had a lot 

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of hype around the mRNA 
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nanoparticles and this way of 
delivering and they could see it

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as a potential for cancer 
therapy. 

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They just had dollar signs in 
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They were like so delighted with
this technology, except for the 

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fact that it was very difficult 
to get it approved because if 

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you studied it, you found out it
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So if you can have a emergency 
situation and kind of go wink, 

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wink, bypass all those steps and
just throw it out on the market 

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and then give it to the whole 
world, this gets complete buy 

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in. 
If everybody's happy with it, 

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you know, now everybody's like, 
Oh yeah, mRNA technology, that's

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fantastic. 
Let's get some of those cats 

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cancer vaccines out there, you 
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So it was a an opportunity to 
exploit the emergency, the so 

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called emergency situation to 
get that technology out the 

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door. 
And then they kind of succeeded,

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except that they've got a huge 
number of people like me who 

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think it's extremely toxic, who 
would never go near that vaccine

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and who continue to study it and
continue to get even more 

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alarmed about what they're 
seeing, you know? 

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But Stephanie, trust the 
science. 

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Right. 
I think a lot of people, and 

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it's interesting actually how 
much I've predicted this way 

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back when, when COVID, when the 
vaccine was coming out and 

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people were all happy to get it,
except for some people like me 

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who were fighting it like crazy.
I predicted that that vaccine 

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would actually set back all the 
vaccines as far as their 

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willingness, people's 
willingness to accept them 

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because we've really been 
parents have been brainwashed 

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into thinking that children 
can't live without all those 

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vaccines. 
They get like 72 different 

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immunizations over the course of
childhood. 

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It's insane these days. 
The number of vaccines in the 

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United States has gone up 
incredibly, probably 

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exponentially it since 1986 when
they passed that law that got 

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the vaccine industry off the 
hook for any, you know, any, any

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time the vaccine is mandated for
the kids in school. 

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It doesn't matter what happens 
with the vaccine. 

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The industry is not responsible.
They can't get sued. 

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And that is a big boon for the, 
for the Pharmaceutical industry.

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So they love vaccines 'cause 
they can just, you know, go 

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ahead and kill kids. 
There's no problem for them as 

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far as financials are concerned,
you know, and then all the 

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disinformation, I would call it 
trying to convince parents that 

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these vaccines are so essential 
and, you know, and so wonderful.

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I mean, this idea that they're, 
that if you didn't get those 

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vaccines, might you die of 
smallpox, you know, or polio or,

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or diphtheria. 
I mean, there are all these 

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diseases that you're going to 
get if you don't get those 

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vaccines. 
They people really got convinced

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that you had to have the 
vaccines in order to protect 

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your child from those diseases 
that in fact can kill you. 

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It's certainly true. 
But the vaccine can kill you 

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too. 
And I know that from the various

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databases, the vaccine adverse 
event reporting systems, and 

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especially the COVID vaccine, it
is extremely toxic. 

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And so, and that's coming out. 
I think it, it, things are 

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changing right now. 
Fewer and fewer people are 

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willing to get their 7th or 8th 
booster shot. 

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You know, for COVID, people are,
are waking up, more people are 

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waking up. 
And then they're going on to 

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question the childhood vaccines 
as a consequence of the COVID 

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nightmare. 
And in fact, Florida has now, 

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00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,920
I'm so pleased with the state of
Florida, they have dropped the 

450
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,560
mandates. 
I'm really eager to see how that

451
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,720
moves forward because they're 
saying, you know, they still 

452
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,760
recommend all these vaccines for
the kids. 

453
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,960
And you go to your doctor and 
you can tell your doctor, look, 

454
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,400
I don't want my kid to have the 
vaccine. 

455
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,880
And that's fine. 
You know, you can still go to 

456
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,360
school. 
I mean, that is so awesome to me

457
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:04,080
because there will be parents 
one by one who decide, you know 

458
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,720
what, I'm just not going to 
vaccinate my kids, period. 

459
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,920
And we'll see what happens, you 
know, And so it's an experiment 

460
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,680
under way and we will see. 
I mean, will they all start, you

461
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,320
know, dying of horrible 
diseases? 

462
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,560
I don't think so, because I 
think it's more a matter of 

463
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,480
keeping your immune system 
healthy. 

464
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,280
And that is the sunlight. 
Sunlight is really great for the

465
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,640
immune system. 
So get your kids out in the sun,

466
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,520
you know, and make sure they're 
exercising, give them good 

467
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,200
nutrition. 
And they won't, if they catch 

468
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,440
measles, they're not going to 
die. 

469
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,360
You know, it probably won't even
have a, a severe case as long as

470
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:36,720
they've got a strong immune 
system. 

471
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,520
So it's more important to, to 
keep yourself healthy through 

472
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,120
natural living than it is to, 
to, to talk to, to eject all 

473
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,800
these toxic chemicals into your 
body. 

474
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,000
I mean, the vaccines, all of 
them are toxic. 

475
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,640
Well, I was asking you about 
going back to 2019. 

476
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,920
If you had asked me about 
childhood vaccines like the MMR 

477
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,480
shot, if you'd asked me about 
that in 2019 or even 2020, I 

478
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,520
would have said yeah, for sure, 
definitely in the time that you 

479
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,360
and I spoke last to now my son 
was born and he's not 

480
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:13,120
vaccinated. 
Oh, good for you. 

481
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,080
I'm so pleased you did the 
right. 

482
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,200
You made the right choice. 
And in fact, I took it one step 

483
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,360
further. 
He I didn't want him to get 

484
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:24,520
vitamin K and my wife looked 
into it and agreed. 

485
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,520
So he didn't even get vitamin K.
Good. 

486
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,160
Yeah, because that one's got 
aluminium in it, I think. 

487
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,760
And people don't even think 
about vitamin K. 

488
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,560
They, they, they focus on the 
vaccines and they forget that. 

489
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,880
I think actually in the US, in 
the in, in many states of the 

490
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,400
US, you, you can't say no to 
vitamin K. 

491
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,600
Yeah, that may be I'm not sure, 
but that it would that wouldn't 

492
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,560
surprise me. 
And that is crazy. 

493
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,160
That is so crazy that you have 
to take that you have to give 

494
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,000
your your infant, you know, 
something like that again, you 

495
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,320
know, I. 
Had no idea. 

496
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,280
Yeah, well, I had no idea what 
the reasons behind it were. 

497
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,760
And I thought, well, it's, it's 
just seems like it's a vitamin. 

498
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,640
It's just harmless. 
But it turns out that it has to 

499
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,960
do with the fact that most 
births now happen in hospital 

500
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,840
and they don't allow the for the
process to occur. 

501
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,640
You know the they cut the 
umbilical cord too quickly and 

502
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,760
so then they need a blood 
thickening agent. 

503
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,200
That's very interesting. 
I bet you're right. 

504
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,760
Yeah. 
Everything's rash, rash, rash, 

505
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,680
Right? 
So you should wait until the 

506
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,880
blood from the mother has 
finished flowing. 

507
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,640
And the umbilical cord is so 
important and so much, so many 

508
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,040
nutrients. 
I'm sure all kinds of 

509
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,120
interesting things come in in 
that last moment before it 

510
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:39,520
severed. 
And you certainly would want to 

511
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,320
wait until you know everything 
has happened for sure. 

512
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,960
That makes so much sense. 
Oh, you have to make a very good

513
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,520
point there. 
And that may be what's 

514
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,760
triggering the problem with the 
vitamin K, the need for the 

515
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,800
vitamin K because of that. 
I like that theory. 

516
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:55,040
That's nice. 
Well, I I didn't devise that 

517
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,960
myself. 
I wish I could claim that, but 

518
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,720
that that came from a bunch of 
OBGYN's that I spoke to. 

519
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,440
Oh. 
That's great that they knew that

520
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,000
and they were willing to wait 
then and let everything happen 

521
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,080
unfold naturally. 
That's great. 

522
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,640
That's great. 
And a lot of issues, perhaps 

523
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,040
later on in life could be 
triggered already from that 

524
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,480
moment. 
Right. 

525
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,000
I know it's so important. 
You know, what happens in utero 

526
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,600
also is very important and the 
mother's exposures during 

527
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,320
pregnancy. 
And that's where I get really 

528
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,040
upset about all the vaccines 
that they give to pregnant women

529
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,160
these days. 
They seem to think it's 

530
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,280
perfectly fine to give them all 
these vaccines which are going 

531
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,640
to go directly into the foetus. 
You know, the placenta doesn't 

532
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,280
necessarily keep things out and,
and, and, and of course, any 

533
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,680
drugs the mother's taking, 
they're all day. 

534
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,360
And of course, glyphosate 
exposure in utero really bad, 

535
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:51,760
you know. 
When my wife was pregnant, the 

536
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,960
the Guyani said to her, you 
must, you must remember now. 

537
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,600
You must get a flu shot. 
While she's pregnant, you must 

538
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,280
get one right? 
Yeah, yeah. 

539
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,880
And, and she and she just, she 
just nodded. 

540
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,720
But when we left, she said 
there's no chance that that's 

541
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,160
happening. 
And then guess what happened? 

542
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,920
She changed Guyanese. 
Good for her. 

543
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,240
That's so crazy. 
Yeah. 

544
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,160
They they they have this kind of
mentality that because the flu 

545
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,400
could be bad if you catch the 
flu while you're pregnant, which

546
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,840
is probably true. 
But The thing is, if you get the

547
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,080
vaccine, you're guaranteed to 
get the toxins that are in the 

548
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,040
vaccine. 
If you if you take it while 

549
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,080
you're pregnant. 
How can that be good? 

550
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,280
You know, so you're getting a 
guaranteed exposure to protect 

551
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,200
you from a maybe exposure. 
I mean, I never get the flu, so 

552
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,720
I haven't had it for like 
decades. 

553
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,120
And I don't, I, I never got a 
flu shot my whole life, you 

554
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,520
know, whereas other people my 
age are pretty routinely every 

555
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:48,600
year another flu shot, you know?
Well so my son is 14 months old 

556
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,880
and he's never been sick and his
friends who are more or less the

557
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,960
same age as as him multiple 
sicknesses and most of them have

558
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,080
been jabbed with the MMR shot. 
Yeah. 

559
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,640
Well, have you seen the data? 
I mean, there's several papers 

560
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,240
now that have come out comparing
vax versus unvax kids in the 

561
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,280
United States. 
And of course some of those 

562
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,000
papers got retracted because the
industry just jumps right all 

563
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,520
over you if you if you show the 
vaccines in a bad light. 

564
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,640
But the papers were stunning. 
There's a, a paper that looked 

565
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,640
at, there was one clinic that, 
that had a lot of patients over 

566
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,640
the years and they were popular 
because of with people who 

567
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,160
didn't get the kids vaccinated 
because they were willing to not

568
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,360
vaccinate. 
And so they had a nice 

569
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,680
collection of data for kids who 
had no vaccines and kids who had

570
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,200
some vaccines and kids who got 
all the vaccines on schedule. 

571
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,120
You know, different groups of 
kids. 

572
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,160
But when they compared the kids,
they were totally unvaccinated 

573
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,280
with the rest of them. 
Huge differences in things like 

574
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:50,280
ear infections and you know, 
various allergies and eczema, 

575
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,800
asthma, all these things that 
are autoimmune disease related 

576
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,480
and ADHD and autism. 
All these things were much, much

577
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,840
higher in the vaccinated group 
compared to the unvaccinated. 

578
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,840
They were so healthy. 
And you know, they basically, 

579
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,840
and this was looking at well, 
baby visits. 

580
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,400
I mean, they looked at sick baby
visits. 

581
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,480
So basically they, they took 
the, the data was based on the 

582
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,400
number of visits that, that they
showed up for with things like 

583
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,160
ear infection instead of just 
showing for a checkup, you know,

584
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,960
where they often get vaccines at
the checkup when the child was 

585
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,880
actually sick and therefore 
called the doctor. 

586
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,640
That's what they were looking 
at. 

587
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,120
Those data showed that the 
vaccinated kids were sick much, 

588
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,440
much more often with the ear 
infections and those sorts of 

589
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,600
things. 
They just basically had a 

590
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,480
weakened immune system because 
the vaccines, the vaccines, you 

591
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,040
know, will protect you against 
one disease or maybe sometimes 3

592
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,360
diseases at the same time, 
making your immune system 

593
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,200
generically less capable of 
handling everything else. 

594
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,320
I think that's what I think the 
vaccines set you back on your 

595
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,440
innate immunity every time you 
get a vaccine. 

596
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,640
And so by the time you've gotten
all those vaccines, your immune 

597
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,040
system is basically, you know, 
really, really disturbed in 

598
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,760
terms of the ability to just 
fight off anything that comes 

599
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,800
along. 
But so are you saying that 

600
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,120
vaccines do work? 
Well, they if they can develop, 

601
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,160
they can cause you to develop 
antibodies. 

602
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,600
With antibodies is never a good 
solution in my opinion. 

603
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,320
I think that your body develops 
antibodies to the, to the 

604
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:23,200
antigens that are in the in the 
virus because the innate immune 

605
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,600
system couldn't handle the 
disease. 

606
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,960
So if you have a a severe case 
of measles, your body will 

607
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,840
develop antibodies to help fight
it off. 

608
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,800
It's, it's a, it's a backup 
system because you're in innate 

609
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,920
immunity is too weak to to 
handle it. 

610
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,520
If you clear the disease 
naturally without having to have

611
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,600
anything specific, your body 
doesn't bother to develop 

612
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,160
antibodies. 
But when you get a, a severe 

613
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,840
case of the disease, then the 
antibodies come into play and 

614
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,120
they will remember that disease 
and then be ready to fight again

615
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,320
if it comes again. 
So that's a kind of protection 

616
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,960
that is put in place in the body
only for the backup system for 

617
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,320
when the innate immune system 
isn't good enough to handle it. 

618
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,600
That's what's working with 
natural systems. 

619
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,000
But with the vaccines, you're 
basically forcing you to choose 

620
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,400
the antibody approach because 
you, you know, you've bypassed 

621
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,640
all the mucosal membranes. 
You've got it injected into the 

622
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,600
body beyond the membranes. 
And so it looks like this, this 

623
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,080
virus has breached the barriers 
and therefore you need to get 

624
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,640
the antibodies going to put, you
know, to protect you from this 

625
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,560
fake virus, which is actually 
the vaccine. 

626
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,400
It forces you to make those 
antibodies. 

627
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,800
It forces you to take a step 
that is beyond what you would 

628
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,360
normally do with innate 
immunity. 

629
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,520
You see what I'm trying to say 
here? 

630
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,000
That's a little complicated, but
I believe that the, the, the, 

631
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,120
the vaccines make your immune 
immune system choose the 

632
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,000
alternative pathway that 
normally only happens when your 

633
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,640
immune system is too weak to 
handle it. 

634
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,520
And so, and then those 
antibodies have all kinds of 

635
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,080
risk for causing autoimmune 
disease because you get 

636
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,600
molecular mimicry and these 
antibodies to the virus can end 

637
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,040
up attacking human proteins and 
causing disease. 

638
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,600
You know, and that's how you get
things like eczema and asthma 

639
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,800
and and even, you know, multiple
sclerosis, I mean some really 

640
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,280
nasty auto autoimmune, 
rheumatoid arthritis, all these 

641
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,920
things and inflammatory bowel, 
you know, you have all kinds of 

642
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,000
celiac disease. 
It's just a huge list of of 

643
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,080
autoimmune diseases that happen 
because the antibodies are 

644
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,120
attacking the human proteins by 
mistake. 

645
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,600
Do you think COVID was a real 
thing? 

646
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,600
Well, I think it was probably a 
lab escape. 

647
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,080
And then the question is whether
it was intentional or natural. 

648
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,760
I remember going through that 
whole period wanting to know 

649
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,240
what is the truth here and 
reading all these different 

650
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,880
papers and trying to sort it 
out. 

651
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,640
It was a wild ride. 
It was so amazing to realise 

652
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,600
finally to become convinced that
it was a lab escape. 

653
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,720
And, and so then and then also 
what was the lab doing? 

654
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,280
You know, so there's like layers
of questions that end up you're 

655
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,720
being puzzled over choice X or 
choice Y and you don't know 

656
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,800
which one's right. 
So like if they were working 

657
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,120
with these viruses and ended up 
producing this gain of function 

658
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,880
virus, what was the reason why 
they were doing that right? 

659
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,440
It was it to try to develop a 
vaccine? 

660
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,760
Was it to for warfare, you know,
biological warfare? 

661
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,600
You don't, that's one question. 
You don't know the answer there.

662
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,840
And then, then the fact that it 
was released from the lab, was 

663
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,760
that accidental or was that 
intentional is another question 

664
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,360
to ask. 
And I don't have answers, you 

665
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,880
know, but I, I'm quite certain 
that it's not just a natural 

666
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,400
thing. 
It had to do with human mucking 

667
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,199
around with viruses and, and we 
have that capability. 

668
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,040
We know how to do it, how to 
make viruses more toxic and, you

669
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,920
know, more virulent. 
And, and the things that are 

670
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:52,800
different between the COVID SARS
Co V2 and SARS Co V2, SARS Co 

671
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,960
V1, the differences are things 
that are remarkably clever. 

672
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,880
I mean, there's sort of thing 
you would think of doing, if 

673
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,400
you, if you understood the 
biology of it, to put in this 

674
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:08,600
exact sequence that would allow 
it, you know, to do to, to bind 

675
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,880
to the receptor, this heart, you
know, the ACE 2 inhibitor, ACE 2

676
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,080
receptor and the and, and 
there's a fear and cleavage 

677
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,480
side. 
You know, there's like stuff in 

678
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,200
there that you're like, it looks
like it's by design, by human 

679
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,920
design. 
So then following on from my 

680
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,520
question, what do you make of 
terrain theory? 

681
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,960
Do you think this this this 
validity in it? 

682
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,520
Absolutely. 
I, I totally embrace it for 

683
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,760
sure. 
And that's why I feel like you 

684
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,160
need to live a natural, healthy 
life to keep your immune system 

685
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,520
strong. 
Your immune system is so 

686
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,800
important for your health, 
really number one, and the way 

687
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,720
you keep it strong is by living 
a natural lifestyle. 

688
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,800
You said earlier that you don't 
like supplements. 

689
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,040
Now I love that you said that 
because I have a love hate 

690
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:03,600
relationship with them. 
So my, excuse me, my my primary 

691
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,520
approach is a supplement is in 
addition to, which means that 

692
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,840
something is deficient. 
So you should sort that out. 

693
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,880
So you only take supplements 
when you're not getting that 

694
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,400
thing in what you're eating or 
drinking. 

695
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,920
So shouldn't the focus be on 
sorting out what's on your plate

696
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,560
rather than taking the pill? 
Absolutely. 

697
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,960
I mean, I always feel that if 
you feel like you're deficient 

698
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,640
in something to go find out what
foods have a lot of it and eat 

699
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,480
those, you know, just change 
your diet. 

700
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,800
I definitely think that's the 
right way to do it. 

701
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,920
And I've actually, it's 
interesting because supplements 

702
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,880
are very, very different. 
They're not the same thing, you 

703
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,160
know, you think it's the same 
thing. 

704
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,880
And of course, they're also out 
of context. 

705
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,440
If you just take a, a pill 
that's pure or something rather,

706
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,960
you know, a, a, a pure version 
of a particular molecule as a 

707
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,680
pill. 
That's so unnatural. 

708
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,040
The way that molecules being 
delivered is extremely unnatural

709
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,400
like a just a vitamin D pill. 
You know, vitamin D all by 

710
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,280
itself in pure form is crazy. 
As far as your your natural 

711
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,320
system doesn't know how to 
handle that properly. 

712
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,520
And a good example is folic acid
cause folic acid is terrible. 

713
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,800
It's a fortification that they 
require in the bread in America.

714
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,920
I don't think you do in South 
Africa. 

715
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,160
But I don't know, we require 
folic acid and and iron 

716
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,880
supplement fortification in the 
in the bread and I think that's 

717
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,960
a really bad idea. 
Folic acid is a synthetic 

718
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,800
version of folate and folate is 
naturally found in green 

719
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,400
vegetables and lots of other 
foods. 

720
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,280
So if you get a good diet, 
you're getting enough folate in 

721
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,040
your diet. 
Folic acid, it, it normally the 

722
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,480
folate gets handled by the gut 
microbes and turned into methyl 

723
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,720
tetrahydrofolate, which is very 
important molecule in the 

724
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:50,840
methylation pathways. 
But folic acid, the microbes 

725
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,920
don't know what to do with it. 
So they just ship it over to the

726
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,400
liver. 
And then the liver is tasked 

727
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,600
with converting it into methyl 
tetrahydrofolate, which takes a 

728
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,720
lot of effort for the liver and 
draws it away from other things 

729
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,920
that it would rather be doing. 
You know, So the liver is busy 

730
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,120
trying to convert this folic 
acid into the proper form. 

731
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,720
And, and, and often if you're 
taking high doses of folic acid,

732
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,280
the liver just can't handle it 
all. 

733
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,840
So it just lets it go out into 
circulation as folic acid, which

734
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,320
is really bad because then it 
binds to the folate receptors in

735
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,880
the brain and blocks the regular
folate from getting there. 

736
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,800
So you end up with a cerebral 
folate deficiency as a 

737
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,200
consequence of eating too much 
folic acid. 

738
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,080
So it's very ironic that by 
virtue of taking high doses of 

739
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,320
something that you think is 
providing you with folate, it's 

740
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,760
actually interfering with folate
supply to the brain. 

741
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,160
I remember when I was pregnant 
there was a big discussion 

742
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,760
around folic acid and being 
pregnant. 

743
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,760
Apparently it right. 
It's not good. 

744
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,800
Well, it's interesting because 
the, the big reason for it was 

745
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,640
to protect from neural tube 
defects. 

746
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,640
The idea was, oh, if you don't, 
if you don't have enough folate,

747
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,400
then the, the brain of the, of 
the infant can develop 

748
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,960
incorrectly and you can get some
really nasty, you know, lethal 

749
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,160
effects that the child is not 
viable if there's not enough 

750
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,840
folate. 
So that's why you think, oh, we 

751
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,600
got to make sure they get plenty
of folic acid. 

752
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,080
And so they, they, they pretty 
routinely encourage women to 

753
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,440
take folic acid as a supplement 
when they're pregnant. 

754
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,120
And it's a bad idea. 
You know, again, it's that you 

755
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,720
need it. 
They need the natural form. 

756
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:21,760
And people don't appreciate 
that. 

757
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,400
Even the doctors don't 
appreciate that. 

758
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,000
Now the counter argument, and 
I've had this many times, is, 

759
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,160
well, we don't get enough of 
these nutrients in our food. 

760
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,840
Our food is already deficient, 
the soil is deficient. 

761
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,520
So therefore we do need to take 
supplements particularly, yeah, 

762
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,800
particularly vitamin D. 
If you live in Scandinavia, 

763
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,520
there isn't enough sun. 
Well, it's a good point, but 

764
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,280
again, I would say eat a lot of 
foods that contain vitamin D 

765
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,720
because you can, you know, like 
this seals, for example, up 

766
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,240
north, you know, they've got 
very little sun, but they eat a 

767
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:59,120
lot of seal fat, which has lots 
of vitamin D in it. 

768
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,000
And even the fat in fish has 
vitamin D and and animal based 

769
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,480
fats have vitamin D. 
If I come, I mean, if the cow 

770
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,880
was hanging out in the sunlight,
which it might not be, but yeah,

771
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:11,720
right. 
I mean, there's have been a lot 

772
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,360
of people talking about mineral 
deficiency and they maybe have a

773
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,280
valid point. 
I suspect they do. 

774
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,440
And part of that is glyphosate 
because glyphosate binds to 

775
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,960
minerals and makes them 
unavailable. 

776
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,840
I remember the first lecture I 
heard on glyphosate. 

777
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,680
Glyphosate is the active 
ingredient in Roundup. 

778
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,120
And that's my book and Roundup. 
And it's a very, it's pervasive 

779
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,640
in the environment in the United
States. 

780
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,320
It's all over the food supply. 
It it's really scary. 

781
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,760
I've had friends, my friend Zen 
Hunnicutt, who founded the 

782
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,960
organisation called Moms Across 
America, and she's had lots of 

783
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,960
testing done of different kinds 
of foods. 

784
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,880
She had her, her mom's go 
collect school lunch, school 

785
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,320
lunch foods and ship them off 
and get them tested. 95% we're 

786
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,280
positive for glyphosate. 
And she had fast food, you know,

787
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,440
from the fast food restaurants, 
100% were contaminated with 

788
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,000
glyphosate. 
So it is all over the food 

789
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,400
supply in this country. 
The government thinks it's 

790
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,240
perfectly safe, so they don't 
worry about it. 

791
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:06,040
They don't bother to test even. 
So that's really, really 

792
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,880
frustrating for me. 
Why is it being used? 

793
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,600
Why is it being used? 
It kills weeds. 

794
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,160
It's very effective in 
agriculture to make your foods 

795
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,000
cheap because you don't have to 
get higher people to pull the 

796
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,880
weeds out. 
You can just spray. 

797
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,680
And they have all these crops 
that are engineered to be 

798
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:25,320
resistant to glyphosate through 
genetic, you know, genetic 

799
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,760
engineering. 
And they can just spray the crop

800
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,160
with the glyphosate doesn't die.
And they even use it at harvest.

801
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,840
They spray wheat, barley, oats, 
chickpeas, garbanzo beans at 

802
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,720
harvest, right before harvest 
with glyphosate as a as a drying

803
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,920
agent. 
And then those foods have really

804
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,440
high levels of glyphosate in 
them. 

805
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,800
They're not. 
They're not GMO, but they're 

806
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,440
highly contaminated with 
glyphosate. 

807
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,640
How do you get around it though?
I mean, how does agriculture? 

808
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,640
Well, that is a huge question. 
That's what we need to work on. 

809
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,840
I feel like we're smart enough, 
we should be able to do it. 

810
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,040
And one possibility I think is 
the technology because there's 

811
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,240
these fancy tractors coming out 
that are, you know, robotic 

812
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:05,200
tractors that can drive 
themselves. 

813
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,320
They can have vision 
capabilities, they can recognise

814
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,520
which, which of the plants are 
weeds and which ones aren't. 

815
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,120
They can carry some boiling 
water and just, you know, 

816
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,800
selectively kill the weed. 
I mean, I think it's possible 

817
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,680
They can run on solar energy. 
They have solar panels. 

818
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,880
They're they're producing these 
fancy tractors one's called the 

819
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,120
Monarch that I'm aware of that 
are that maybe can help to 

820
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,840
alleviate the the problem of 
weeds without having to get 

821
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,920
people out there to pull them 
because human resources are very

822
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,520
expensive. 
And that's, that's the big 

823
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,600
issue, I think that you don't 
have to hire, we have these mega

824
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,520
farms now that are pure corn, 
you know, or pure soy. 

825
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,600
That's the only amount of crop 
and it's GMO engineered. 

826
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,600
So then you can just spray the 
glyphosate, the weeds go away. 

827
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,000
It's very convenient. 
You know, it's, it's, it makes 

828
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,720
food cheap. 
We should be not doing that sort

829
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:59,760
of monoculture mega farming. 
Oh I totally agree. 

830
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,160
Absolutely. 
I, I really push for the small 

831
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,920
family farm concept and just 
growing a lot of different 

832
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,920
things and even maybe not 
worrying so much about the 

833
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,840
weeds, you know, because the 
weeds actually help to enrich 

834
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,640
the soil. 
I mean, they have some benefits.

835
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,960
And so you could just kind of be
more relaxed about the weeds and

836
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,200
just harvest the crop and, and 
have a lot of different things 

837
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,520
growing, you know, fruit trees 
and things like that. 

838
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,400
It's doable. 
I mean, in many small family 

839
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,120
farms, they don't grow, you 
know, corn and soy. 

840
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,440
They grow lots of different 
vegetables and stuff and they 

841
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,800
may have some cows. 
Well, I was just going to say 

842
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,920
this whole issue of refurbishing
the soil, you know, not just 

843
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,520
organic, not just certified 
organic, but regenerative 

844
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,400
agriculture is really important 
to try to guess the soil is, is 

845
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,200
really sick right now. 
That's one thing about the 

846
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,480
chemicals. 
And as I said, glyphosate 

847
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,720
depletes the metals. 
In fact, I, I, I talked about 

848
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:54,560
this talk, I didn't quite finish
it because Don Hubert presented 

849
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,240
data that he had collected 
showing that plants, food crops 

850
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:02,760
that were exposed to glyphosate 
had way lower levels of all 

851
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,240
kinds of critical minerals, you 
know, like magnesium and zinc 

852
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:09,800
and, and, and, and manganese and
copper. 

853
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,040
All these things were way down, 
even sulphur were way down 

854
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,360
compared to the crop that was 
not grown in the presence of 

855
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,600
glyphosate. 
So even the GMO crops, they have

856
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,000
this gene that protects them so 
they don't die, but that doesn't

857
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,560
mean they still aren't affected 
in terms of the minerals, that 

858
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,840
they don't take up as many 
minerals as they should. 

859
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,160
And then when you eat that plant
and you're not getting as much 

860
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,120
as many minerals as you would 
normally get, and that is an 

861
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,400
issue and that and you could 
even argue that that's such a 

862
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,920
big issue that you need to take 
mineral supplements, you know. 

863
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,800
What does glyphosate do to you? 
Oh gosh, it does so many things.

864
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,720
It's unbelievable. 
I, I believe that it's the 

865
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,480
primary cause of, of the 
epidemic we're seeing today in 

866
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,440
America in a long list of 
diseases, including especially 

867
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:59,520
to obesity, diabetes, autism, 
ADHD, pancreatic cancer, thyroid

868
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,960
cancer, inflammatory bowel 
disease, liver disease, kidney 

869
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,280
disease. 
I mean, there's a huge list and 

870
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,800
liver cancer, kidney cancer, all
even probably breast cancer. 

871
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,520
I mean, just, it's, it's an 
endocrine disruptor. 

872
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,000
It, it's Parkinson's disease. 
I mean, it's amazing. 

873
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,400
All these diseases are going up 
and dementia, you know, 

874
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,920
Alzheimer's, all of them are 
going up dramatically over time 

875
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,400
in this country. 
We're getting so sick and, and, 

876
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,640
and we don't seem to care. 
The government doesn't seem to 

877
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,640
mind. 
And well, lately it does mind, 

878
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,200
right? 
There's a big deal with the new 

879
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,520
government. 
I'm really appreciative of RFK 

880
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,400
Junior. 
He's really putting out a 

881
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,240
message that, you know, we're 
sick and we need to figure out 

882
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,760
why we need to fix it. 
And, and that gives me hope. 

883
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,440
I really am very excited about 
potentially seeing some changes 

884
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,760
in the government in terms of 
paying attention to these 

885
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,840
problems and, and really doing 
the research to get to the 

886
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,760
bottom of it. 
But I think the bottom of it has

887
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,240
a lot to do with glyphosate. 
It it's considered to be 

888
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,760
perfectly safe for humans. 
It's pervasive. 

889
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,400
People use it carelessly in 
their yards to kill the 

890
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,280
dandelions even when the kids 
are out playing. 

891
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,160
They just don't know that it's 
not safe. 

892
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,640
And and it, and in my book, I 
talk about it's insidious 

893
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,840
cumulative mechanism of toxicity
that has to do with its role as 

894
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,640
an analogue of glycine. 
I think it's a really unique 

895
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,760
property of this chemical. 
It is a glycine molecule. 

896
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,880
Glycine is an amino acid. 
It's the smallest amino acid 

897
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,920
that goes into the proteins. 
You know, it's one of the coding

898
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:33,320
amino acids very, very important
in many different proteins like 

899
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,800
essential. 
If you have a glycine this 

900
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,840
particular spot and if there's a
mutation that gets changed into 

901
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,280
alanine, then that protein 
doesn't work anymore. 

902
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,000
So there's like really many, 
many proteins that have critical

903
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,360
glycines. 
And I think the glycosate is 

904
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,560
actually getting into the 
proteins by mistake in places, 

905
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,320
the glycine all over your body 
and, and certain proteins are 

906
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,320
very susceptible to disruption 
if glyphosate does that. 

907
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,240
And so and, and that, and 
there's many proteins that 

908
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:02,760
glyphosate has been shown to 
suppress that have highly 

909
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,760
conserved glycines at places 
where they bind phosphate. 

910
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,320
And that's sort of what I think 
is a critical situation in which

911
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,640
glyphosate is going to cause 
trouble. 

912
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,760
And so my book talks about all 
these different proteins that 

913
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:16,680
are associated with these 
various diseases that are going 

914
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,160
up dramatically, exactly in step
with the rising glyphosate 

915
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,320
usage. 
It's a beautiful puzzle to put 

916
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,960
together and it works really 
well. 

917
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,960
The industry, you know, they, 
they did studies in which they 

918
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,280
tried 1000 different chemicals. 
There were tweaks on glyphosate.

919
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,800
They were looking for something 
else that might do the same 

920
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,920
thing, might be as good as 
glyphosate, something different,

921
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,400
because they always want to have
some, some new chemical they can

922
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,360
patent, you know, and they 
looked at 1000 different things 

923
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,520
and none of them worked. 
None of them worked anywhere 

924
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,520
near as well as glycine as 
glyphosate did. 

925
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,440
And none of them were amino acid
antibiotics of glycine. 

926
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,960
So that's the critical thing 
with glyphosate that makes it so

927
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,840
special. 
So if I'm driving past a farm 

928
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,560
and I see one of those planes 
flying over the crops spraying 

929
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,920
that stuff, is it most likely 
that? 

930
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,360
I hope you don't have the top 
down when you're driving. 

931
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,720
Yeah, people have gotten it. 
I have gotten an email from 

932
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,440
people who like someone was 
walking her dog when they 

933
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,480
sprayed and they got and they 
basically got hit by the spray 

934
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,960
and then she and her dog both 
got really sick after that. 

935
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,600
I mean, it's really sad. 
It can be that simple that if 

936
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,800
you just have one accident, it 
can ruin your life. 

937
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,480
But then why does the government
not care? 

938
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,920
Or is that? 
On purpose, that's the 

939
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,720
$1,000,000 question. 
I think they've been convinced 

940
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:33,680
by the industry that we can't 
live without glyphosate. 

941
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,640
Like it's so essential for us to
feed our nation that if we 

942
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,160
didn't have glyphosate, what 
would we do? 

943
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,080
We'd all starve. 
You know that. 

944
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,320
That's the message that the 
industry conveys. 

945
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,600
And I think the government, 
individuals tend to believe it. 

946
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,920
They're worried that if they 
tried to ban glyphosate, we'd 

947
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,480
all starve. 
And, and they may have a point 

948
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,600
because we haven't figured out 
how to do without it. 

949
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,560
You know, we've gotten 
complacent. 

950
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,960
We'd have to hire a lot of 
people to pull weeds or we'd 

951
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,960
have to have a, a great, a great
decrease in yield, you would 

952
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,120
think, you know, if you're not 
dealing with the weeds. 

953
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,920
So you need alternative 
solutions. 

954
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,280
And that's why I think this 
Monarch, for example, these 

955
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,840
tractors could be one way. 
And there's also people are 

956
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,360
trying to develop natural 
herbicides that could kill the 

957
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,360
weeds without harming humans, 
you know, because we don't have 

958
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,480
any good choices for herbicides.
People say, well, maybe they'll 

959
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,200
just get rid of glyphosate. 
Then they'll use 24-D or dicamba

960
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,360
or, or the phosphonate. 
Those are all supposedly much 

961
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,800
more toxic than glyphosate. 
So it's kind of like out of a 

962
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,840
frying pan into the fire. 
You know, if you ban glyphosate 

963
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,080
and just switch over to some of 
these others after seeing 

964
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,080
they're all bad, I, I think you 
can't use chemical herbicides 

965
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,840
period on crops if you want a 
healthy population. 

966
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,920
That's what I believe. 
It reminds me of of of people 

967
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,400
switching sugar for fake sugar. 
Oh, I know, that's another 

968
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,520
nightmare. 
Oh gosh, yes. 

969
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,440
Oh, well, it's not sugar. 
Well, no, it's not. 

970
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,480
It's like xylitol or whatever, 
but it's a chemical. 

971
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,720
Oh absolutely. 
I have never taken any of those 

972
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,800
sweeteners that are not natural 
in my whole life. 

973
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,080
I mean, unless by accident 
someone gave me something that I

974
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,280
didn't realise had, you know, by
choice, I'm always very careful 

975
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,720
not to eat any of those 
alternative sweeteners that are 

976
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,840
supposed to be calorie free and 
that sort of thing. 

977
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:27,560
The people around me seem to 
have gone back to how things 

978
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,400
were. 
How short are people's memories?

979
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,520
I know, actually, it surprises 
me that there aren't more people

980
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,080
who are aware of how bad the 
vaccines are, because to me it's

981
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,880
so obvious that that they're 
not. 

982
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,520
They, they, they work for a 
short while. 

983
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,920
The am I, they, they, the COVID 
vaccines, the mRNA vaccines, 

984
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,040
there's a period right after the
vaccine where you're more 

985
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,920
vulnerable to COVID than you 
were before, during the period 

986
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,680
when your body's adjusting to 
the vaccine. 

987
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,560
And then once you get the 
antibodies after maybe a month, 

988
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,280
right, you've got a short window
of time where you're protected. 

989
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,320
Like if you get the disease 
during that time, it'll be 

990
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,320
milder. 
I, I, I admit that that it does 

991
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,760
actually protect you from severe
disease because it's made you 

992
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,840
make those antibodies, but those
antibodies can really 'cause you

993
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,240
a lot of trouble in other ways, 
like through autoimmune disease 

994
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,960
and, and then the vaccine 
actually, if you keep on 

995
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,040
getting, so then you have to get
another booster 'cause it runs 

996
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,440
out. 
That's the really horrible 

997
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:24,360
thing. 
It runs out. 

998
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,080
So now every six months, you 
know, you've got another shot 

999
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,640
and every time you get one, 
you're putting more poison into 

1000
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,240
your body and eventually you 
just, it really hurts your 

1001
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:38,160
health in big ways. 
And obviously the heart problems

1002
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,800
that we're seeing and even 
neurodegenerative problems, 

1003
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,560
thrombosis, you know, the lungs 
can get a blood clot and you can

1004
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,960
have a pulmonary embolism. 
I mean, there's all kinds of 

1005
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,960
scary things that are happening 
in response to those vaccines. 

1006
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,480
And I don't understand why 
people still get them. 

1007
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,800
And people who have had, you 
know, 6 or 7 boosters and still 

1008
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:06,840
going at it, it's just crazy. 
But what makes mRNA so 

1009
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,800
dangerous? 
Yeah, well, that's a long story,

1010
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,720
but it's the engineering is 
quite sophisticated and clever 

1011
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,600
again in ways to try to fool the
body. 

1012
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,720
But they've they've figured out 
that the history of developing 

1013
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,360
these vaccines goes way back. 
They've been working on them for

1014
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,400
for decades. 
That's the 1990s. 

1015
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,280
And, and they had this idea that
you could give the person the, 

1016
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,840
the machinery to make the, the 
toxic protein that you want them

1017
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,880
to be exposed to. 
So you give them, instead of 

1018
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,960
giving them the spike protein, 
you give them the code for the 

1019
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,640
spike protein in the form of 
mRNA, which is a very fragile 

1020
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,160
molecule. 
So then the big question was how

1021
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,280
do I keep the body from breaking
down the mRNA before it manages 

1022
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,280
to get turned into protein? 
That was a big stumper for them 

1023
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,600
and they had to go through a lot
of studies and, and designing 

1024
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,560
different things and they 
finally figured out hide it 

1025
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,360
inside a lipid nanoparticle. 
You know, so now you have the 

1026
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,720
lipid nanoparticle, which is 
also all by itself is toxic. 

1027
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,800
They, they don't admit that, but
it's true. 

1028
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,960
You know, the lipid 
nanoparticles are dangerous by 

1029
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,200
themselves, even without the 
content. 

1030
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,520
But the mRNA is hiding inside 
the lipid nanoparticles so that 

1031
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,200
the, the machinery that would 
break it down can't get to it. 

1032
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,160
But then they also just 
redesigned the mRNA to make it 

1033
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,880
really, really sturdy. 
And one thing they did was to 

1034
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,560
take all the uridines and turn 
them into methyl pseudo uridine,

1035
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,240
which is a very unnatural form 
of a mesodrna molecule. 

1036
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,880
And when they did that, it 
became the enzymes that would 

1037
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,120
normally break it apart. 
Don't know how to do it anymore 

1038
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,000
because just like when you put 
glyphosate instead of glycine to

1039
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,480
mess things up, but when they 
put those methyl pseudouridines 

1040
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,040
in there, the, the enzyme can't 
break it down the way it would 

1041
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,720
normally do. 
So the mRNA sticks around for a 

1042
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,240
long time. 
They need it to do that so we 

1043
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:51,760
can make the protein. 
They want to make it to make 

1044
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,080
enough protein so that the 
immune cells see the protein, 

1045
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,160
get the antibodies going. 
So they were working really hard

1046
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,840
on keeping it from breaking 
down. 

1047
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,160
They also put things on the ends
that would help to keep it from 

1048
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,760
breaking down. 
The whole obsession with let's 

1049
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,800
keep that mRNA alive as long as 
we can. 

1050
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,480
And then they succeeded wildly, 
almost beyond their imagination,

1051
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,600
because they're seeing now 
messenger RNA is still around a 

1052
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,760
month later, even maybe two 
months later, and spike protein 

1053
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,280
still around six months later or
even longer. 

1054
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,800
And I don't know how that spike 
protein is surviving and whether

1055
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,720
that's because the mRNA got 
converted to DNA, which has also

1056
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:29,920
been shown recently in in papers
that the mRNA gets converted 

1057
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,600
into DNA. 
And once that happens, the DNA 

1058
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,880
can carry the code forever and 
it can get converted back into 

1059
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,920
RNA, back into protein at any 
time. 

1060
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,760
And so you've got these immune 
cells that are senescent immune 

1061
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:46,240
cells possibly carrying around 
DNA that is codes for the spike 

1062
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:50,400
protein and that could survive 
for years in theory. 

1063
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,200
So there's some things that are 
theoretical. 

1064
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,920
There's some things that have 
been shown experimentally. 

1065
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,040
There's also DNA contamination 
in the vaccines. 

1066
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,560
There's all kinds of things that
are fishy about these vaccines. 

1067
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:05,080
And to think that that they're 
harmless is just ludicrous. 

1068
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,360
And then at 1 stage that, I was 
saying, oh, that's designed to 

1069
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,880
stay in the region. 
Of the, of the injection, that's

1070
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,640
certainly not true. 
And they've shown that 

1071
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,120
experimentally as well, that it 
gets into the lymph system, it 

1072
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,800
travels to and even it goes to 
the spleen, it goes to the 

1073
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,000
liver, it even goes to the 
ovaries, you know, the 

1074
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,240
reproductive organs and, and 
everywhere it goes, it causes 

1075
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:35,560
trouble. 
How did humans survive so many 

1076
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,600
thousands of years? 
I know up. 

1077
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,800
Until up until 200 years ago. 
Right, I know we didn't have any

1078
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,440
of these resources and now we're
creating all these monster 

1079
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,840
things that I think could do us 
in actually, I, I can, I'm 

1080
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,400
concerned that we may not 
survive as a species for very 

1081
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,880
much longer because we're, we're
really hurting the, the 

1082
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,560
reproductive system and we're 
also so many kids are sick like 

1083
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,440
autism. 
The autism rates are through the

1084
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,320
roof here in this country. 
And at some point as a young 

1085
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,400
mother, as a young woman, you 
may really question the wisdom 

1086
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,200
of getting pregnant because 
there's this high risk of having

1087
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,360
an autistic child, which will 
completely change your life in 

1088
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,960
ways you don't want, you know, 
to have the responsibility of 

1089
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,440
bringing up an autistic child 
would be such a burden that you 

1090
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,680
might say, you know what, I 
think I just won't have kids. 

1091
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,800
I think that's going to be 
happening, or maybe it is 

1092
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,320
already happening with the young
people today, that there's too 

1093
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,200
much risk involved in not 
producing a healthy child that 

1094
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,760
you just decide to bypass that 
whole part of life and just do 

1095
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,280
without, you know, And then if 
enough people do that, we don't 

1096
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,080
reproduce ourselves. 
All it takes is a reproductive 

1097
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,480
rate that's under replacement 
and time and we'll run out, you 

1098
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,800
know? 
But that that stats seems to 

1099
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,360
apply for almost every country 
now. 

1100
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,520
Yeah, so many countries are down
below the reproductive rate at 

1101
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,360
this point. 
And it looks like to me it's 

1102
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,440
just going to chase us out of 
the out of the earth because 

1103
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,120
we'll just shrink in population 
over time until we are no more. 

1104
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,200
There'll be too few of us to be 
able to carry on. 

1105
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:08,080
The amount of women struggling 
to fall pregnant is also. 

1106
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,840
I know that's the other thing. 
One is just choosing not to have

1107
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,520
a child because it's too risky 
to have a bad child, a child 

1108
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,200
that's defective. 
And two, is not being able to 

1109
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,480
get pregnant. 
That's also a huge problem. 

1110
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,760
The fertility infertility 
clinics are really thriving in 

1111
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,040
this country. 
And people are also, you know, 

1112
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,600
young people are harvesting 
their eggs and putting them in 

1113
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,400
in a deep freeze, right? 
A lot of women are doing that. 

1114
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,120
The young women, they're like, 
OK, I don't want to have a kid 

1115
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:32,840
right now. 
I'm busy. 

1116
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,840
You know, I'll just harvest my 
eggs and put them into the 

1117
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,080
freezer. 
And then when I'm 3637, I'll 

1118
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,040
pull them out and get pregnant. 
And, and, and people are doing 

1119
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,400
that, you know, sort of 
reassuring that they won't be 

1120
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,720
without children in the long 
run. 

1121
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,800
And then finding out that all 
those eggs, none of those eggs 

1122
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,080
are viable. 
And so they end up, you know, no

1123
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,760
children. 
I mean, that's happening too, 

1124
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,560
but. 
Give me a negative wisdom. 

1125
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,600
Well, I mean, as you know that 
my whole thing is just live a 

1126
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,280
natural life. 
I think that's so key just to 

1127
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,280
think if this is not natural, 
don't do it for everything that 

1128
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,880
you might think, think about 
doing, only do it if it's 

1129
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,720
natural. 
And that's been my philosophy 

1130
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,360
all my life. 
And I think it's worked well for

1131
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,240
me because I feel like I'm very 
healthy, especially considering 

1132
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,560
my age. 
You know, it's I'm at that age 

1133
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,840
when people start to fall apart.
And so far so good. 

1134
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,920
So we hope that'll continue, but
we don't know. 

1135
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,080
Well, you also live in Hawaii. 
Maybe that's also another key to

1136
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,760
success. 
Move to Hawaii. 

1137
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,680
Well, I do love Hawaii. 
It is so beautiful and so much 

1138
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,400
sunlight, you know, and great 
weather. 

1139
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,880
So you always want to be 
outdoors. 

1140
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,560
I spent a lot of time outdoors. 
I was just figuring out probably

1141
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,000
four or five hours every day 
outdoors. 

1142
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,480
You have great weather there. 
It's actually really, really 

1143
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,080
nice. 
There's a lot to be said about 

1144
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,960
Cape Town. 
I really, I think it's a great 

1145
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,440
place. 
I mean it has some issues with 

1146
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,040
the black white problem but. 
Oh no, it's huge. 

1147
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,440
That's a huge problem and the 
crime rates are a bit high and 

1148
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,160
the government may not be 
perfect, but but the place is 

1149
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,840
beautiful. 
Table Mountain, you know, the 

1150
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,200
ocean. 
It's really nice. 

1151
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,640
There is a sense of freedom, 
though, in in all the chaos. 

1152
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,960
Interesting. 
Stephanie, how can my audience 

1153
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,480
get your book and we'll follow 
your work in general? 

1154
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,360
Yeah, well, my book Toxic Legacy
would be something to read if 

1155
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,680
you want to learn about 
glyphosate. 

1156
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,480
It's on Amazon. 
On Amazon, yes. 

1157
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,920
And and then my web page is 
Stephanie sandiff.net. 

1158
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,800
There's some information there, 
but I have a lot of published 

1159
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,200
papers. 
Yes, you've been with MIT 

1160
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,960
forever. 
Yes, ever since I undergraduate,

1161
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,360
yes, I, I got my undergraduate 
degree in biology actually at 

1162
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,760
MIT many, many years ago, and 
then a master's EE and PhD 

1163
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,760
degrees in electrical 
engineering and computer 

1164
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,960
science. 
And then most of my career was 

1165
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,600
spent writing code, computer 
code to help computers learn how

1166
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,760
to communicate with humans using
natural language. 

1167
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:05,800
That was my really my career 
path until 22,007, when it was 

1168
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,480
when I sort of got interested in
autism and wanted to figure it 

1169
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,480
out. 
Figure out what was causing the 

1170
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,960
autism epidemic and that's the 
rest of it is history. 

1171
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,720
I mean, I've basically gotten 
completely back into biology, 

1172
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,520
had a really good time learning 
about biology the last two 

1173
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,360
decades. 
And I feel like I'm really 

1174
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,440
making headway and understanding
what the issues are and why 

1175
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,200
we're so unhealthy and all of 
this and how to fix it is I sort

1176
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,160
of know how to fix it, but I 
don't know how to make it 

1177
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:34,720
happen. 
You know, because we've got so 

1178
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:42,240
much resistance to where we need
to go from industries and so and

1179
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,280
also governments. 
It's just like really difficult 

1180
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,080
to know the path. 
I think I know what the path 

1181
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,240
should be, but I don't know how 
to make it happen. 

1182
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,200
I actually forgot that you were 
so connected to computer science

1183
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,080
and I we'll get grilled if I 
don't ask you even just very 

1184
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,640
quickly, your views on AI. 
Oh, I know. 

1185
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,360
It's actually really, really 
interesting right now. 

1186
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,960
And I'm amazed at how quickly 
the technology I was working on 

1187
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,000
has matured to the point where 
it's useful. 

1188
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,760
You know, I actually never 
thought it would be useful back 

1189
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,320
when I was developing these 
systems that could communicate 

1190
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:16,920
using speech. 
I just thought it was way too 

1191
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,320
hard and it would never happen. 
And I almost lost, you know, got

1192
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,800
out of a job because it, it 
worked so well. 

1193
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,800
The industry took over and it 
was hard for me to figure out 

1194
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,680
what I could do to improve upon 
what the industry was already 

1195
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,040
doing at the point when it 
became commoditized. 

1196
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,840
And and now it's just 
unbelievable. 

1197
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,520
The AI, the sophistication of AI
and what it can do, the ChatGPT 

1198
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,040
kind of thing, you know, all the
AI chat bots, unbelievable. 

1199
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,480
And of course they make 
mistakes, but they can be very 

1200
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,920
useful to help anybody learn 
something. 

1201
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,000
Even you have to be aware of the
mistakes, but you can learn so 

1202
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,160
much just by chatting with one 
of these devices. 

1203
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,320
And then of course, they're 
taking over on so many jobs. 

1204
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,400
Even jobs like writing code, you
know, it's pretty amazing that 

1205
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,440
the computer can do a pretty 
good job of writing code. 

1206
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,560
You can just have to provide it 
with a description of what you 

1207
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,880
want and it can in whatever 
coding language you want and it 

1208
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,760
can come up with code. 
And then you can just kind of, 

1209
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,880
you might have to tweak it, you 
know, it might not be perfect, 

1210
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,240
but it's a very different kind 
of job from what it was when I 

1211
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,560
wrote code where you had to do 
it all by hand, you know, And so

1212
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:26,760
even people, even in my lab, 
there's discussion around what 

1213
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,880
is the future of our, of our 
fields. 

1214
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,000
You know, if you're getting a 
degree in computer science 

1215
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,720
today, that's back in the day, 
you were sort of like, if you 

1216
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,800
could code that was really good.
You know, you're a really good 

1217
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,080
coder. 
That's probably not the case 

1218
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,920
anymore. 
And, and you sort of need to 

1219
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,120
readjust to a different way of, 
of writing code, a different way

1220
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,600
of writing a novel, even you 
know that you can have the 

1221
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,880
computer help you write the 
novel, even maybe create the 

1222
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,480
plot. 
I mean, and of course vision, 

1223
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,360
vision things as well, like in 
advertising, being able to 

1224
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:03,600
create images for advertising 
using midway for mid journey, 

1225
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,840
for example, It's pretty amazing
and that it creates these images

1226
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,520
that are not copyrighted. 
So that's going to cause all 

1227
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:14,160
kinds of problems with artists, 
you know, and, and, and what is 

1228
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,440
the value of the artist now that
the computer can do the same 

1229
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,960
thing? 
Many, many open questions about 

1230
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,840
what's going to happen with 
various career paths. 

1231
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:26,440
That used to be a sure thing, 
and now we just don't know how 

1232
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,640
much of that, of what we humans 
used to do can be done better by

1233
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,200
the computer. 
And to what extent will that 

1234
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:38,280
cause career paths to fail that 
I think it's a very difficult 

1235
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,240
time to graduate from college. 
And then to think about what am 

1236
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,680
I going to do next, you know, 
and to know what's the best 

1237
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:49,080
choice for a career path that's 
going to be durable despite all 

1238
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,960
this that's happening with the 
AI. 

1239
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,200
So really interesting times in 
that respect. 

1240
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,360
Do you agree with Elon Musk that
it's an existential threat? 

1241
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,560
I think I probably do, yes. 
We're, we're at a time when 

1242
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,680
there are so many problems, you 
know, we could maybe encourage 

1243
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,880
people to go buy a piece of land
and and grow some organic food. 

1244
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,000
You know, that might be the 
safest bet, I think, as far as 

1245
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,680
the career path at this point. 
OK, well, on that note, 

1246
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,680
Stephanie Seneff, thank you for 
joining me in the trenches. 

1247
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:19,720
Thank you. 
It was fun. 

1248
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:20,280
Thanks.