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OK, Well it's my great pleasure 
to welcome Brian Garish to speak

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to Common Knowledge this 
afternoon. 

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Brian has a career in the Navy, 
the senior service, before 

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leaving this evening, a service 
and starting up his own business

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and then finding out how much 
corruption there was in this 

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world. 
And from then on he's become 

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effectively an investigative 
journalist and he set up the UK 

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column. 
And the UK column for me was a 

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lifeline when I in 2020 when I 
was searching around what's 

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going on, I was suddenly awake 
and everyone said go to UK 

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column. 
That's where you'll find the 

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information that you need. 
And I'm eternally grateful to 

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Brian for setting up UK column 
and for all his marvellous work 

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since then. 
So Brian's going to tell us 

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something about, I think we're 
going to first of all, discuss 

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the current state of play in the
UK and in the world in general, 

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and then we'll go on to some 
other subjects after that. 

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But Brian, thank you very much 
indeed for joining us here and 

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I'll hand over to you. 
Richard, thank you and the team 

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for the invite. 
Absolutely fantastic to get 

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myself all the way to the 
granary there, the jig room. 

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I think you're all in. 
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see, it looks, it looks very 
nice and yeah, really great to 

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get the invitation. 
I, I just say to you that I was 

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a bit poorly a few weeks ago and
I, I just felt that this time I 

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needed to ease off a bit before 
Christmas. 

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So I, I, I apologise for being 
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because I'd much rather be there
in person. 

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But yeah, things caught up with 
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I am, I am recovered now just 
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that. 
So I, I think what you're doing 

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is, is great. 
Well done for setting up common 

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knowledge Edinburgh. 
I think we need more groups like

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this across the country because 
this is spreading the word 

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amongst teams of people and 
there is still very much a need 

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to do this. 
And you know, in a personal way 

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with people being together and 
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gives it a strength. 
And a lot of what we're fighting

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requires people, I think, to be 
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contact, exchanging information 
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Because at the end of the day, 
this is what it is to be human. 

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And I'll, I'll just then put a 
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because what we're fighting is 
absolutely against humanity. 

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So the, so the more human we 
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I also wonder whether I can be 
cause a little bit of trouble 

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because you, you gave me 3 
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You gave me the state of things 
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You asked about the movement to 
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setting up of the UK column. 
And I wonder whether I might ask

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very nicely just to kick off 
with setting up the column 

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because it has a particular 
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And I'd like to share that with 
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And I think it would be a good 
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going on to talk about other 
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So would that be OK with your 
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Absolutely, absolutely fine. 
Yeah, OK. 

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And before I get talking, how 
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We've got two hours in this 
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Two hours. 
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That's, that's brilliant. 
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to kick off with how the UK 
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there have been a number of 
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particularly over the last year,
to talk about this. 

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It's not something that over the
years I've made a very big thing

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about, but the time has now 
come, I think, to talk about 

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these things because it leads us
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But the other thing is that next
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the 20 year celebration of the 
UK column, because January next 

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year, we'll have actually been 
running for 20 years, which 

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seems almost unbelievable to me.
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somehow, despite all the things 
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worldwide, the UK columnars 
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So I'll just tell this little, 
little story in in the shortest 

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time I can. 
And I absolutely welcome any 

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questions people have got 
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were. 
Invited to the Hope. 

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Music festival, which was was 
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to talk as the rest of the UK 
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we don't quite know what we're 
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a couple of days before it sort 
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If you try and force it, you, 
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talk about and there's no point 
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I felt you just sort of sit back
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to speak about will come. 
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didn't happen and I ended up the
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think what am I going to do? 
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And then when I actually got in 
my car to drive, as I am driving

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into my head very strongly came 
just tell them how the UK column

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really got started. 
And so that's what I did. 

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And if anybody in the audience 
wants to see what I said because

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it was recorded live at the 
festival, just put Brian Gerrish

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my story into the search bar on 
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So I'm going to give you a 
little flavour of that in person

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this afternoon. 
But if you want to see what I 

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said to the audience there on a 
lovely sunny day in In the Hope 

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Festival, you can have a look at
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website. 
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two parts, I think most people 
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out really with myself and some 
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across fraud and corruption in a
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And we initially sort of met as 
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talked about what was going on. 
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the key thing was to actually 
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And a very nice man called 
Chris, who'd got a little 

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printing company, set out the 
format for an A4 sheet printed 

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on both sides. 
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Devonport column, Devonport 
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Plymouth. 
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base, so well known. 
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private, eye ish, a bit tongue 
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We were taking the Mickey out of
some quite serious things 

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happening. 
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the City Council in particular. 
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copies and next month we printed
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Nothing happened. 
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copies. 
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get phone calls and we started 
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saying, well, if you've seen 
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this, you really need to know 
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And in the fourth month we had a
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So we got an A3 sheet of paper 
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So we got 4 pages and we covered
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and some humorous stories. 
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around the city. 
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months until a very nice man 
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office space to make this happen
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And he he was kind enough to pay
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We had nothing in it, but that 
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UK column. 
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experienced something which was 
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It's still quite strange to talk
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and wonderful aspect to it. 
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and this is absolutely true, the
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couple of minutes called Paul. 
A friend of mine called me on 

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the phone about an hour ago, and
I haven't spoken to him for 

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quite a few months. 
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that on an afternoon when I'm 
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people about how I got started 
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calls me. 
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coincidence? 
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that while we were discovering 
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so I'd learnt that it was 
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Fraud and corruption, people 
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the establishment, the local 
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nasty stuff going on. 
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I, I can't tell you the month, I
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been about June, July time. 
And I was sat at my desk working

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and the phone rang and it was my
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He, he was an architect by 
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He called me. 
He said hello. 

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He said, what are you doing? 
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reports, I'm at home. 
And he said, no, you're not, 

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you're coming to see me. 
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I got to produce these reports. 
And he said, no, you're going to

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come and see me. 
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can't. 
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when can you come? 
And I said, well, I've got a 

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free day next week. 
And he said, that's no good. 

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When can you come and see me? 
So I said, well, I could come 

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and see you tomorrow. 
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saying this? 
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my plate anyway, because I've 
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I thought, OK, I'll do it. 
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to come and see you? 
And he said to me, don't worry 

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about that, just come. 
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about sort of, I don't know, 
8:45, I'm in my car driving from

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That's, that's about an hour and
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And as I'm driving in the 
sunshine, I'm thinking to 

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myself, what on earth are you 
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Because I'm driving to see, 
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idea why I'm going. 
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parked the car, I knock on the 
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before answers the door. 
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come to see Paul. 
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And I said he's Paul in. 
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the dog. 
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frustrated because I already 
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And I said to her, I've no idea 
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And she looked at me with a 
rather strange expression on her

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face. 
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you're here because of me. 
And I said, OK, that's 

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interesting. 
How does that work? 

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And she said, well, you'll find 
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I get very vivid dreams, and 
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somebody's talking to me. 
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And she said, and when this 
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God. 
And I paused, and I probably 

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swallowed. 
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OK, and how does that affect me?
And she said, well, I had a very

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vivid dream and you were in the 
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And I said, I don't know, sorry.
I said, I don't know you. 

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So you, how do you know me? 
And she said, oh, well, Paul 

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told me about you. 
So you were in the dream, Brian.

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Paul, your friend was in the 
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And another man who's a friend 
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in the dream. 
And I, I looked to the earth and

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this was so utterly bizarre. 
I didn't quite know what was 

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coming next. 
And she said, well, it was a 

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very intense dream. 
And when it happens, I, I, I got

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a message. 
So I said to her, what's the 

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message? 
And she said, oh, that's The 

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funny thing. 
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So I'm feeling that I'm in the 
middle of a really strange 

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situation. 
She said, would you like a cup 

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of tea? 
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like a cup of tea. 
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I sat down at the kitchen table 
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And, and lady's name was Jackie.
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bit about yourself. 
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to tell me about the fact she 
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She'd been through some tough 
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She was a devout Christian and 
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And so she, she gave me a little
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started to tell me about a 
project she started quite some 

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time earlier, about a year I 
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Reminiscence project. 
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lives and careers. 
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young children coming into their
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brightened things up. 
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story, she said it was all going
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things didn't go as well as they
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a lady and she could also help. 
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ladies were in a relationship 
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into the project, the more my 
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which was pretty personal to 
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I found myself saying, and I'll 
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So Jackie looked at me and she 
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know what happened next? 
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what you're describing is 
happening in Plymouth. 

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It's happening all over the 
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destroy things which are good 
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And I'll tell you what happened.
So she said, OK, go on. 

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Then you tell me what happened. 
So I told her what happened 

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next. 
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that's incredible. 
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happened. 
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is, this is happening all over 
the country. 

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And I think that we need to get 
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warn people about what's 
happening. 

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We need to talk about what's 
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her, her whole demeanour 
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exactly right. 
You are to go out, you are to 

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travel, you are to talk to 
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about what's happening. 
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suddenly said, oh, my goodness, 
I'm sorry. 

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I get carried away. 
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her, no, you've just given me 
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of my mouth, but they weren't 
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was going to be my job to get 
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them what was happening. 
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she'd done it in were quite 
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My friend Paul came back from 
his dog walk and a conversation 

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started, much of which was about
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country. 
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drive back to Plymouth. 
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back, there was a bit of it was 
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myself because I found myself 
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going on here, but I'm not 
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There's a bit of my old 
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fore. 
I'm not trained for this. 

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And as that thought came into my
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mobile phone. 
And that was a text message 

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coming in. 
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But when I got home, I looked at
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Jackie. 
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the Bible. 
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read the passage, which she 
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answered those concerns that 
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And I'll say to you that over 
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couple of times a day, sometimes
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I felt that I was in a position 
where I didn't quite know what I

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was supposed to be doing, the 
phone would go beep. 

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And that was a text message. 
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quote from Jackie, which if I 
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the right direction. 
So those 2-3 months had gone by.

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I was doing this basic work with
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about spreading the word about 
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And then one afternoon about 
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Saturday. 
There was a knock on my front 

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door and I opened it and there 
was a man called Ted standing 

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there, very big man. 
And I knew him. 

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Previously I'd known him through
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see him there. 
And he was stood with an 

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overhead projector in his hands,
one where you put the old 

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acetate sheet on to project it 
onto the wall. 

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And I said to him, Ted, what 
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And he said, well, I'm not 
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were having a clear out and we 
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it. 
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cup of tea or something because 
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out really why he'd come. 
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my wife's after me for some 
errands. 

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Hang on, I'll get the screen. 
And then the next minute Ted had

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gone and in my hall was an 
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And the effect of that was about
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ever talk, which was in the the 
Methodist. 

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No, sorry, it was in the WI Hall
in my village. 

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About 17 people came. 
I talked to them about what was 

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going on in the country. 
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wouldn't leave. 
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And that was my first talk. 
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not sure how many I've done in 
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the 300 and that includes 
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country in order to talk about 
what's going on. 

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And before I pause for a bit, at
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message, anything that was 
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we were doing seemed to appear. 
Never too much, never excessive,

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but we were given computers, 
we've given chairs, we were 

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given everything we needed for 
our little office, and if we 

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ever felt we were short of 
something, it seemed to come. 

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And that included a steady flow 
of very small funding which 

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enabled both myself and other 
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talks and warn people about what
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So this was a very positive 
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But interestingly enough, and 
this is something which is good 

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to talk about, I was given a 
message to go and teach people 

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about what was happening. 
It was warning them. 

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It was lifting stones to show 
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And for many, many years, I 
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message to go and preach. 
And there's an interesting 

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little distinction between the 
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If this early phase was was a 

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very positive spiritual thing, 
at one point on one occasion I 

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went to a location which I've 
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It was a, it was a flat. 
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Went to meet some people I knew 
very well. 

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And when I stepped across the 
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as though something leapt on me 
and I felt extremely ill. 

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I know my wife was very 
concerned. 

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I think she thought I was going 
to have a heart attack or 

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something. 
But in my head I, I, I came to 

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the conclusion it was a 
spiritual attack and something 

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pretty dark and unpleasant was 
attacking me. 

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And for the next, I'll say for 
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probably into a couple of weeks,
it was as though in the first 

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instance I was shown the light 
side. 

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And then when I got a taste of 
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said, well, OK, I'll show you 
what the other side's like. 

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And so these were pretty amazing
experiences, but for a very long

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time I didn't feel it was my 
place to talk about them in too 

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much detail. 
Because when you start to talk 

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about spiritual things, you can 
very often find people put up 

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walls or they accuse you of 
various things. 

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And I, I didn't want to 
compromise good research with 

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maybe getting a reputation that 
I was trying to say something 

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about myself rather than to give
a clear message. 

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But that was my story as to how 
things got going. 

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And then of course, as the UK 
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in particular came on board. 
This provision of what we needed

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continued. 
And I'll say maybe because I, I 

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can't prove it, but maybe this 
spiritual support is the reason 

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that we're still here after many
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years, 20 years later. 
But the key bit is that in the 

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very early days. 
It was certainly demonstrated to

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me that what we're really into 
was a spiritual battle and I 

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will talk about the subjects 
you've asked me to talk about. 

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But it's fascinating to me how 
in 2025 I meet more and more, 

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more people who are coming to 
the realisation that we're not 

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up against men and politics. 
We we are in this spiritual 

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battle. 
And ultimately it's 

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understanding the spiritual 
battle. 

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I think that will give us the 
the know how and strength to 

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deal with these things, which 
are clearly. 

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Becoming more and more visible. 
So on that note, who, who am I 

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addressing? 
Richard? 

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I'll I'll say if anybody's got 
any questions or wants to 

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challenge me, I'd I'd be 
delighted to respond. 

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That's that's fantastic, Brian. 
I think what I'll do is I'll ask

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people from the audience if they
have any questions at this point

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to come up here and ask you the 
question. 

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Has anyone got any questions at 
this point, those experiences 

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they'd like to share? 
Yeah. 

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So there are a number of people 
who come and can speak to you 

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and ask you. 
Brian, I'm Andrew Walden. 

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I'm the Treasurer of Common 
Knowledge here in Edinburgh. 

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First of all, I'd just like to 
thank you personally for sharing

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that experience with you, with 
us. 

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So it's actually incredibly 
moving and I think very 

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important what you've shared 
with us. 

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I think my, my question is 
essentially in terms of the 

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struggle you've described, you 
know, between spiritual 

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struggle, are you hopeful that 
the forces of light will 

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prevail? 
Well, I, I, I can smile and say 

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that's that is the very positive
mesh message. 

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Because if you if you stick to 
relatively simple scripture. 

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Of course, we're told clearly 
the battles already won. 

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But we've still got a roll of 
foot soldiers to make sure that 

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our part is done. 
And, and the reason I express it

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that way is because many people,
when they start to see and feel 

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and experience what's happening,
it places a great pressure on 

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them. 
And maybe maybe I also felt this

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in the beginning, that you feel 
the whole weight of everything 

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is on your shoulders too. 
Sorted out to deal with it, to 

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fight, fight it. 
But the reality is that, you 

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know, we're not the general 
running it. 

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Our job is to do our best with 
all of the skills that we've got

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wherever we are, but we haven't 
got to be worrying that we've 

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got the overall responsibility 
to deal with the situation. 

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What worldwide, Somebody else 
has got that on their shoulders,

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and I'm going to say that's 
God's part. 

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We just do what we can. 
Thank you, that's a wonderful 

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answer. 
Yeah. 

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Hi, Brian. 
Thanks for your talk. 

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When you said that there was 
techniques that people use to 

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sort of break up functioning 
organisations, you know, could 

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you describe some of those 
techniques? 

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Yes, certainly I, I've seen in 
Plymouth, I saw this happen 

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where it was clear that local 
communities were being attacked 

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and in particular Devonport, 
this this key area in the city 

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where I'd been heavily involved 
because I tried to get a what 

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was a positive project off the 
ground to help create jobs 

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around building a wooden boat. 
But essentially, if you had a 

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group of people, the local 
community who were coming 

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together to do something 
positive into that group would 

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become would come a number of 
people. 

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Might it might be one or two or 
it could in bigger groups be, 

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you know, three or four more 
people. 

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They initially appeared to be 
allies of the project. 

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They initially appeared to be 
very good people. 

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But once they got involved, they
would slowly but surely start to

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break down the good relations in
that group. 

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So there might be little rumours
and accusations spread around 

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the group, and of course people 
don't know whether it's true or 

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not. 
And then they start to become 

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suspicious of one another. 
And then the net result is that 

450
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,280
the group, instead of being a 
nice tight team doing good works

451
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:48,680
together, starts to fragment. 
And in some cases where we've 

452
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,960
seen this happen, you can have 
quite a big group of people, say

453
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,480
up to 6050, sixty people who 
were doing some really good 

454
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,120
stuff and then it's like an 
explosion. 

455
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:06,960
The whole unit that's been 
working together breaks apart 

456
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:12,120
with accusations and sometimes 
some quite vicious stuff between

457
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,880
people who were previously good 
friends and getting on very 

458
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,640
well. 
So a lot of the attack was by, 

459
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,600
by these people coming in 
masquerading as other people who

460
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,120
wanted to help. 
But what they then did is is 

461
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,360
spread rumours or they started 
to challenge the natural leaders

462
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,080
in the group and say we've got a
better way of doing it. 

463
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:42,440
And, and slowly but surely, this
would pull the, the group apart.

464
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,240
And I'd, I'd just qualify this 
statement again, sorry, I should

465
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,000
have probably repeated the, you 
know, the question for the, for 

466
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,840
the audience, because your 
question was, you know, how, how

467
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,480
have I seen groups being broken 
up? 

468
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,920
But this is a very common 
technique. 

469
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,560
And one of the places that it's 
happening a lot is in the Church

470
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,760
of England. 
So within church groups across 

471
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:14,240
the country where you've got 
more conservative congregations 

472
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,200
who are really trying to get a 
baseline established again of 

473
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,960
right and wrong and what's good 
and moral and what's not. 

474
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,080
These people come in and 
eventually the the people who 

475
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,800
are trying to do the right 
things become attacked and 

476
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,640
ostracized from the church. 
So that, that, that's one 

477
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,280
technique, but the other 
technique which became really 

478
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,640
became apparent was the use of 
applied psychology. 

479
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,520
And this could come in a number 
of forms. 

480
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,600
The first one I I was aware of 
was the Delphi technique, 

481
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,800
whereby if you have a a group of
that same members of the public 

482
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,840
who are attending a meeting, 
they're challenging a policy 

483
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:06,120
from the local authority into 
the public group would be 

484
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:11,160
injected a couple of people. 
They disperse themselves through

485
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:17,600
the audience and it was their 
their job to ask questions or to

486
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:23,280
challenge in a way that started 
to steer the whole group. 

487
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,000
You can go online and have a 
look at the Delphi technique and

488
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,800
see how it works. 
But in the early days for, for 

489
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:38,000
me, we, you know, going back to 
sort of 2012 onwards, this was 

490
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,320
happening in a lot of meetings 
where in Plymouth the City 

491
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,760
Council was absolutely 
bulldozing over the wishes of 

492
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,120
local people to get the city 
council's projects in place, 

493
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,840
completely trampling on the 
wishes of the local people. 

494
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,440
And it was very interesting that
when I got contacted by people 

495
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,360
from other cities in UK, 
invariably where there were 

496
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:11,000
regeneration projects, 
especially those using large 

497
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:18,360
amounts of European, European 
Union funding, these Delphi 

498
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,120
techniques seem to come with the
funding. 

499
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,120
So those those are two of the 
key ones. 

500
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,840
But I was later to learn, of 
course that Delphi technique is 

501
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,480
a specially structured 
application of applied 

502
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,840
psychology in order to steer 
people in the in the way you 

503
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,719
want them to go. 
But there are other more 

504
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,040
sophisticated techniques of 
which Neuro linguistic 

505
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,520
programming was one that I was 
to discover was being used. 

506
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,400
And there are many people 
trained in NLP. 

507
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,840
And if I mention it, I always 
get a bit of push back because 

508
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,720
people will say, well, I did an 
NLP course and I'm not a bad 

509
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,080
person and I'm only using it for
good. 

510
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,680
And I'll say I recognize that. 
But I'm not talking about people

511
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,600
who are trying to use it for 
good. 

512
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,200
I'm trying to use it. 
I'm trying to talk about people 

513
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:18,800
who are using NLP for nefarious 
political or personal agendas. 

514
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:25,680
But NLP is a form of hypnosis. 
But probably a good way of 

515
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,440
describing it is mesmerism. 
That by the use of language and 

516
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:35,160
grammar, you can you can draw 
people's attention and you can 

517
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,120
focus it in particular 
directions. 

518
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,320
You can reframe individuals so 
that they have a new set of 

519
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,120
beliefs and one of the key 
places that we we discovered 

520
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,000
this was being used and was 
being talked about was in 

521
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,000
actually it was 2010, the 
government produced a document 

522
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:03,520
called Mindspace MINDSPACE. 
If you search for that online as

523
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:09,040
APDF Mindspace and leave a 
couple of spaces and then put 

524
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,760
PDF, you'll find a Cabinet 
Office document where the 

525
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,480
government was boasting of being
able to change the way people 

526
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,160
thought and the way people 
behaved. 

527
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:26,040
Saying in in the Cabinet Office 
document, people will not even 

528
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,240
know this is being done or if 
they realise their behaviour is 

529
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:35,280
being changed, they won't know 
how it's being changed. 

530
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:41,000
So these are very sophisticated 
and clever applied psychological

531
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,160
techniques, but we started to 
see them in the very early days.

532
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:50,280
They were being used for 
criminal and malicious purposes 

533
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,280
and then we began to see those 
techniques formalised into 

534
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,400
government documents where they 
were boasting. 

535
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,840
And probably the worst case of 
this type of application of NLP 

536
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:09,160
occurred during the COVID 
lockdown when the Sage team, the

537
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:14,880
so-called expert team the 
government had put in place, it 

538
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,160
had a smaller team working with 
it called Spy B. 

539
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,960
And in one of their minutes, 
they said that they needed to 

540
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,440
make people more fearful in 
order to get them to adhere more

541
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,840
closely to government policy. 
And so I'm, I'm going to look 

542
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,600
you all in the eye. 
You're there as the audience. 

543
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,200
And I'll say, if you just think 
about this in simple terms, if 

544
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,560
you have a, a thought process, 
could political thought process,

545
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,360
we'll call it, where you're 
going to use fear and you're 

546
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,280
going to and or you're going to 
change the way people think 

547
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,920
where they don't even know 
you're using these techniques on

548
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,000
them. 
These are pretty evil 

549
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,720
techniques. 
And this stuff is now running 

550
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:10,120
rampant through local 
authorities and central 

551
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,920
government. 
So those are some of the 

552
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,200
techniques being used. 
OK. 

553
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,280
Thank you. 
That's very interesting. 

554
00:38:33,220 --> 00:38:34,740
Hi, Brian. 
Hello. 

555
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:39,940
Hi, my name is Mark Wilkinson. 
I'm the chap that phoned you on 

556
00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:42,540
Friday night. 
Hello. 

557
00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:46,600
Hello, Mark. 
So nice to meet you. 

558
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,880
So a couple of things I'd like 
to know what your reaction was 

559
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,840
to our conversation. 
You know, like in with with a 

560
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:05,000
bit of hindsight, yeah. 
But the, the question is, is 

561
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,720
really regarding this issue of 
movements being infiltrated. 

562
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,000
And, and I would like to be a 
lot more generous. 

563
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:22,160
And, and you know, the favorite 
thing that I like to ask people 

564
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,440
to do is to shoot me down in 
flames as much as possible. 

565
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,880
OK, so please do. 
But I'm being a little bit 

566
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,160
naive, possibly by being 
generous. 

567
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,800
And, and what I'm, I think what 
I'm seeing is that when you've 

568
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,760
got an organization or a 
movement and they've been, and 

569
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,880
they've been, they've been 
existing for two years, three 

570
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:52,040
years, you know, and, and people
within the movement start to 

571
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,840
feel that the group is not 
achieving what they were hoping 

572
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,360
it would achieve and not 
achieving what they were 

573
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:06,560
expecting it to achieve. 
And, and I think that that, 

574
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,480
that, that is very, very 
natural. 

575
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:14,840
It's very, very natural. 
For us to fail as as individuals

576
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,520
and as communities and so on. 
You know, I've, I've, I've had 

577
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:24,520
several businesses which, which 
inevitably they all eventually 

578
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,520
fail. 
Yeah. 

579
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,880
I mean, they, they were 
successful for a period, but 

580
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,920
then they eventually fail. 
And, and I suppose what, what 

581
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,000
what I'm saying is that is that 
is that to what extent do you 

582
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:42,160
think that there is an argument 
for saying that people are 

583
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:51,160
trying to scapegoat their lack 
of success by starting to 

584
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,800
question whether they've been 
infiltrated or not? 

585
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,640
So they can then blame someone 
else for their failure because, 

586
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,520
because, because one of the, one
of the, one of the biggest, you 

587
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,240
know, things that people like to
do is to blame other people for 

588
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:09,200
their, for their failings. 
And, and so to what extent do 

589
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,440
you think that is actually 
happening? 

590
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,640
And, and it's not that these 
groups have been infiltrated. 

591
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,200
What? 
Well, again, just, I'm sure 

592
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,280
everybody could hear what you 
were saying in the room. 

593
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,120
But I, I, I'll just so on the 
telephone the other day, you 

594
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,640
talk, you talk to me about. 
The idea of, of being able to 

595
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:40,360
help people achieve more by by 
the way they, they operated in 

596
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:46,480
groups and it's been clear to me
over the years that you can see 

597
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,120
groups of people coming together
with a particular objective and 

598
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,640
and they really do some they do 
some good work. 

599
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,280
I mean, council watch just comes
off the top of my head and that 

600
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,480
that's utterly brilliant Where 
you've gone from a couple of 

601
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,920
people starting it off to the 
fact you've now got people going

602
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,000
into council meetings and 
challenging them in a very 

603
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,760
measured and structure way. 
Where the challenge is all based

604
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,480
on facts and figures. 
And this thing causes the, the 

605
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,040
council, whether it's a City 
Council or, or, or a smaller 

606
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,000
local council to really have 
problems because now they've 

607
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,120
they've really got to justify 
policies that they're putting 

608
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,040
forward. 
So you can see groups of people 

609
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,800
who achieve good things on their
own. 

610
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,480
But you are absolutely correct. 
The very often you can see 

611
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,760
people that have come together 
to do something and it never 

612
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:49,680
quite seems to work. 
And eventually somebody will be 

613
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,360
pulling in One Direction because
they think the key thing to be 

614
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,520
targeting is X and somebody else
will be saying no, no, no, we 

615
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,800
should be focusing on why. 
And this ends up with a split 

616
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,000
and then the group breaks down 
or, or explodes in a, in, in a 

617
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,520
pretty vicious way. 
That certainly happens and I 

618
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,640
recognise that. 
But I, I'm, I'm going to stick 

619
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,160
to my guns and say that 
particularly if you have a, a 

620
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:25,640
group that's working well and 
it's tackling a local authority 

621
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:31,800
or, or even some form of non 
government organization that's, 

622
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,320
that's pretty close to the 
government and the 

623
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,360
establishment. 
If they are starting to have 

624
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:45,040
success and they are having 
public meetings, I would not be 

625
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,360
at all surprised that those 
meetings are not infiltrated by 

626
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,320
people who are actually. 
Trained in order to help ferment

627
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,640
the dissent. 
So I think both things go on, 

628
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,200
but I absolutely take your point
that groups of people have a 

629
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,160
sort of predisposition to to 
falling. 

630
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,840
Out with each other, 
particularly when they're not 

631
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,840
clear on what what the aim of 
their efforts is about. 

632
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,240
Right. 
Thanks very much, Brian. 

633
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,440
OK. 
Thank you so much for everything

634
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,640
that you've done for 20 hours. 
It's just been quite 

635
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,120
extraordinary, so thank you. 
Well, it has been extraordinary.

636
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,200
It still is. 
But what what's unbelievable is,

637
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,240
is the wonderful things that 
happen. 

638
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,080
I think I think maybe this might
be a. 

639
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,200
Actually, Richard, sorry, 
Richard, if we could just give a

640
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,240
minute for people who are on 
Zoom to have ask any questions 

641
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:51,280
like Mark Anderson from my, our 
colleague from UK column is has 

642
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,320
his hand raised. 
So I think he'd like to ask 

643
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,600
something as well. 
Yeah. 

644
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:55,560
Good. 
Great. 

645
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,120
Either way. 
Hello, Mark. 

646
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,960
Hey, Brian, how you doing? 
Fine. 

647
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,600
Yeah, nice program. 
I, I didn't quite sign up right 

648
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,600
on time when you started pretty 
early here, kind of on a Sunday,

649
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,480
but a nice idea kind of 
retracing the steps of the 

650
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,440
founding UK column. 
When I was there recently, I 

651
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,600
picked up a copy of the 
Newspaper UK column. 

652
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:29,400
Of course, you started mostly 
with print from 2006 and it, it 

653
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,040
was really interesting to read 
those bellwether foundational 

654
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,480
issues. 
You know, the British 

655
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,120
Constitution group. 
I, I, I found through some other

656
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:44,440
early issues that were in the 
office lawful rebellion, British

657
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,640
Constitution group, you know, 
pretty soon there's stuff about 

658
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:54,240
common purpose and common 
purpose really has been one of 

659
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,800
those foundational issues for UK
column that I, I hope they keep 

660
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,720
hitting on because currently if 
I'm wrong, common purpose sort 

661
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:07,920
of embodied in a more organized,
extensive, rather sinister way. 

662
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,560
It embodied a lot of these 
techniques you're talking about,

663
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,920
correct Neuro linguistic 
programming and a more organized

664
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,040
and deep seated wide-ranging way
of subverting what you might 

665
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:25,840
call better government as 
subverting proper ethical 

666
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,640
approaches to things subvert 
subverting in a way the biblical

667
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,360
foundation of the moral 
foundation of the country. 

668
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,920
It's so it seemed like common 
purpose became a a a a 

669
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,560
particularly nasty manifestation
of what you're talking about. 

670
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,120
Well, that that was absolutely, 
that was absolutely true. 

671
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,520
Mark And of course. 
When When We Discover and Common

672
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,960
Purpose was started back in 1985
by a lady called Julia 

673
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,640
Middleton. 
It's an incredible story because

674
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,120
this thing grows like Topsy and 
huge amounts of money come into 

675
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:11,120
it from big banks. 
Including Deutsche Bank, but 

676
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,560
when you try to dig into that 
side, it was difficult to do. 

677
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,080
But within a few years that they
were boasting in, you know, in 

678
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:23,200
the very early days of it, they 
were boasting of having 85,000 

679
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,920
future leaders that were that 
what they meant by that is 

680
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,960
people common purpose graduates 
that they trained and these 

681
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,040
people were across society. 
They were particularly prevalent

682
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,960
in public bodies, city councils,
government departments, but 

683
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,520
everywhere fire service, police,
NHS, in a very big way, 

684
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:51,280
education. 
And so these people did the 

685
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,920
course and for many of them 
their views and values were 

686
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,720
realigned to the way that the 
common purpose wanted them to be

687
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,560
realigned. 
So something that I've said on 

688
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:09,200
many occasions when I've talked 
about Common Purpose is it's 

689
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,760
absolutely wrong to say that 
everybody who's been on a course

690
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,760
and involved with it is a bad 
person. 

691
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,800
Because the truth is, most 
people did not really understand

692
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,520
what Common Purpose was doing 
when it was training them. 

693
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:28,320
But nevertheless, Common Purpose
trained its graduates from from 

694
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,680
young teenagers all the way up 
to. 

695
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,720
Mature people in mature jobs. 
Including pretty senior jobs, 

696
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:41,640
chief, chief constables or chief
executives of big organisations.

697
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:50,200
And those people were then used 
to cede this new, I'll call it 

698
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,760
liberal, liberal political 
thinking across their own 

699
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,080
institutions. 
And moreover, they were 

700
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,880
encouraged to open the doors of 
their institutions and 

701
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:07,080
organisations and companies to 
more common purpose training. 

702
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,480
So it, it was a, a very 
insidious, it is a very 

703
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,320
insidious organization that was 
like a Trojan horse that got 

704
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:21,000
inside organisations to, to 
reframe people with the 

705
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,440
political stance of the common 
purpose. 

706
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,320
And, and I, I'm afraid I can't 
remember the man's name, but in 

707
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,760
the very early days, I gave a 
talk on the stage and I was 

708
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,760
talking about common purpose. 
And I said wherever I encounter 

709
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,120
it, there's something I can't 
put my finger on. 

710
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,200
I can't quite, it does things, 
but I don't really know how it 

711
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,840
how it manages to do it. 
And at the end of the talk, a 

712
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,760
man came up to the stage and 
said to me, Brian, when you said

713
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,720
you couldn't put your finger on 
it, he said, I'll tell you what 

714
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:57,920
it was. 
They're using NLP. 

715
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,120
And at that stage I'd never 
heard of NLP. 

716
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,920
But subsequently I was going to 
do my own research. 

717
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:10,560
But I was also to meet, I met 
people who were trainers, NLP 

718
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,120
trainers. 
And this is where I began to 

719
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,000
understand that common purpose. 
I'm going to call it Trojan 

720
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,960
Horse because that's the best 
description, but it was, it was 

721
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:26,080
getting its people inside 
organisations and then using the

722
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,320
sophisticated techniques in 
order to change the views and 

723
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,080
values of other people. 
And in my opinion, this is one 

724
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,720
of the reasons why we sort of 
started to see an explosion of 

725
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:43,000
new thinking. 
We might call it woke now when 

726
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,520
the early days nobody was 
calling anything woke. 

727
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,880
You just knew that old values 
were being trampled on and in 

728
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,400
was coming what I now see as an 
increasingly dangerous 

729
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:02,760
liberalisation coupled with the 
woke agenda and, and I'm happy 

730
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,960
to argue the toss with people, 
but I, I now see that as a very,

731
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,720
very, very dangerous decay of 
our society. 

732
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:17,320
Does does that cover it, Mark? 
Yeah, it's important to to get 

733
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,240
that in there based on what you 
started talking about meeting 

734
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,520
with people and realizing 
something was wrong. 

735
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,240
Common purpose just took 
everything to a whole new level 

736
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,720
of corruption and subversion. 
And that's just been a a 

737
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:33,720
foundational issue for UK column
that I hope is well maintained 

738
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,720
because it sounds like UK our 
common purpose has not went away

739
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,880
that they're still operational 
and so. 

740
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,520
Mark, if if I can just add a bit
of course in in my journey to 

741
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,600
find out what this organization 
was and what it was about. 

742
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:56,080
I was stunned to find that it 
was operating through the office

743
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,280
of the Deputy Prime Minister 
when Blair was in power. 

744
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,600
Prescott was the Deputy Prime 
Minister at that time. 

745
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,480
But of course later we were to 
learn from minutes that it was 

746
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,480
also operating alongside 
elements of the Cabinet Office 

747
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,920
in order to drive its people 
deeper into government. 

748
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,640
So this, this organization 
working at St. level, getting 

749
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:29,560
amongst very small community 
groups, but demonstrating also 

750
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,080
that it could work, you know, at
high position amongst really 

751
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,200
powerful people in central 
government. 

752
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,160
Yeah, exactly. 
Well, well, good stuff. 

753
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,120
Yeah, that it's very important 
to illustrate that. 

754
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,520
It really shows how far the 
subversion has come in. 

755
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,200
And I like your appeal to 
spiritual values, that 

756
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,000
ultimately it's a spiritual 
battle and we need God to see 

757
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,840
this through. 
We can't do it on our on our 

758
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,320
own. 
I appreciate you outlining. 

759
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,960
That well, this is, this is a 
really interesting point is, 

760
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,120
isn't it? 
And I know that. 

761
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,840
Some people can find what what 
I'm talking about here is, is 

762
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,880
difficult. 
But if I say, isn't it 

763
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,000
interesting that one of the 
things that's occurred in recent

764
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,680
years is the fact that the 
government has demonstrated it 

765
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,520
does not like people preaching 
on the streets, it does not like

766
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,920
people praying. 
And so we've ended up with these

767
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,680
no pray zones around abortion 
clinics, for example. 

768
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,520
But just think about it, The 
government's so frightened of 

769
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,400
somebody standing there, not 
touching anybody, not saying 

770
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,760
anything, but simply standing 
and praying. 

771
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,520
The government's got to bring in
a law to make that unlawful. 

772
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,160
And I'm going to say it makes 
sense to me because the 

773
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:54,080
government's agenda is 
inherently evil and it is the 

774
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,360
evil component which understands
the power of. 

775
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,000
Prayer. 
And. 

776
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,160
So exactly. 
That, in my head, is absolutely 

777
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,800
why you're now starting to see 
the government's turn against 

778
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,800
Christianity above all 
religions. 

779
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,440
It's Christianity that's got to 
be stamped out. 

780
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,720
Preaching of Christianity's got 
to be stamped out. 

781
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,280
Prayer has got to be stamped 
out. 

782
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,080
That's the reason. 
Even silent prayer. 

783
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,560
Well, good stop, Brian. 
OK, well, I think this is a very

784
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:34,240
good time for people to and 
including Brian to go away and 

785
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:42,040
get a drink and we will come 
back at, I suggest at 3:15 and 

786
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,080
continue with the other issues 
which we were going to talk 

787
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,840
about then. 
Is that OK with you, Brian? 

788
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,040
Well, that's absolutely 
brilliant because I will take a 

789
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,880
small walk and I will come for 
the next session properly 

790
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,840
equipped with with a beer, OK. 
OK. 

791
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,520
Well, we look forward to seeing 
you then, OK. 

792
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:01,320
All right. 
Thank you. 

793
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,440
Refreshed. 
OK, OK. 

794
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,240
Well, I think it's probably time
that we resumed. 

795
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,280
And what are you going to tackle
next, Brian? 

796
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:17,280
Well, the first thing I would 
like to do, Richard, to say I 

797
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,760
obeyed the instructions. 
I'm able to hold up a glass. 

798
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,520
Well, stay to the play. 
Here we are at the end of 2025, 

799
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,240
coming up to Christmas, coming 
up to the end of the year, and 

800
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:34,920
what do we all think about 
things? 

801
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:40,000
If I had to sum up the country 
at the moment, I would be saying

802
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,520
the common theme running across 
everything. 

803
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:50,680
Is chaos and confusion. 
So we've got chaos in the NHS, 

804
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,680
we've got chaos on the roads, 
we've got political chaos, we've

805
00:55:54,680 --> 00:56:00,640
got chaos in the military. 
Every direction we go, the 

806
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,760
police, the courts are now in 
turmoil. 

807
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,560
And we've got to, we've got to 
get rid of juries. 

808
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,400
That's a particularly dangerous 
thing. 

809
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,120
But what? 
What you see is everything which

810
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,680
in the past may of our 
institutions, in particular our 

811
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:21,920
systems of governance, 
constitution, they might not 

812
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:27,200
have been perfect, but I'm going
to guess most of the audience 

813
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,000
old enough to remember back to 
where you could say, yeah, 

814
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,400
nothing's perfect, but there. 
Was stability. 

815
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,880
There was order. 
People knew how the systems 

816
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,520
worked. 
There was an inherent fairness. 

817
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,240
There was an inherent morality. 
Of course, there were 

818
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:49,240
exceptions. 
Some people were criminals or 

819
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:51,320
did bad things. 
But. 

820
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:56,840
Within the country there was an 
overall feeling of stability and

821
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:02,080
a lot of that stability came 
from a historical stability it 

822
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,480
was to do with. 
Our history as a nation state 

823
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,640
and it was to do with the the 
people living in this country. 

824
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:15,480
And if we look out the window 
today, everything is chaos. 

825
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,600
Try and get an appointment to 
the dentist that sorry, the 

826
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,040
doctor's surgery. 
You can you pick up the phone? 

827
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:27,720
No right dentist. 
Slip of the tongue there 

828
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,280
mentioned dentist. 
But of course, is it easy to get

829
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,680
an NHS dentist? 
No, it's not. 

830
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,120
And many people now can't get 
dental treatment. 

831
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,800
Chaos in the hospitals, in the 
A&E departments, everywhere we 

832
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,720
go is chaos. 
This is not, in my opinion, this

833
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:48,000
is not accidental. 
This is orchestrated chaos, and 

834
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,920
it's been orchestrated because 
as a nation. 

835
00:57:54,000 --> 00:58:00,000
As as society, as communities, 
as families, we are being 

836
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,520
attacked. 
And that attack in order to 

837
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:14,000
create a new political situation
is first of all destabilising 

838
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:19,840
and destroying the old order. 
And the attack is so vicious 

839
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,200
that it isn't only about our 
institutions. 

840
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:28,400
It's come in to attack families 
and it's come in to attack the 

841
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,680
very nature of what it means to 
be a man or what it what it 

842
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,280
means to be a woman. 
And I often find myself 

843
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:41,400
thinking, what would people have
said prior to or during or just 

844
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:48,720
after the Second World War that.
The the nation in years to come 

845
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:54,840
for them would be trying to say 
that a man was a woman or that 

846
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,520
men were going to be allowed 
into women's toilets and shower 

847
00:58:58,520 --> 00:58:59,360
areas. 
What? 

848
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,600
What would people? 
If we go back into the 1950s, 

849
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,640
what would they have been saying
about this? 

850
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,880
They would have regarded it as 
madness. 

851
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,080
But that madness has been 
imposed on the nation. 

852
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:16,560
And why have they done this? 
Because it it is breaking down 

853
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,280
the whole fabric. 
We don't even know what's a real

854
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,800
man or what's a real woman. 
And on top of it, we've got a 

855
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:29,360
really, really vicious attack on
young children which is coming 

856
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,640
in via the sexualisation of very
young children. 

857
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,160
Now, of course, what is coming 
through mainstream media in the 

858
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:47,000
pop circuit, K pop, all of the 
scantily clad female, some male 

859
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,600
role models which young children
are picking up, that's one part 

860
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,560
of the agenda. 
But another part of the agenda 

861
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,800
is what is actually being taught
to these children in schools. 

862
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:02,680
And of course we've mentioned 
teams of people doing good work 

863
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:07,280
and into my head comes the 
ladies in South Wales, Public 

864
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:13,480
Child Protection Wales, where 
those ladies mums have been 

865
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:19,320
highlighting and exposing the 
really vicious, unpleasant 

866
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:25,440
sexualization of very, very 
young children by what what can 

867
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:30,720
only be described as obscene. 
Sexual education in inverted 

868
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:36,320
commas. 
So in 2025 for me, we, we exist 

869
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:41,160
in a country which is at 
breakdown and very often you'll 

870
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,040
see a headline in the paper 
which will be broken. 

871
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,440
Britain, I think even Nigel 
Frage on several occasions says 

872
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,080
the system's broken. 
He's perhaps he was talking 

873
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,920
about immigration. 
And the moment I hear somebody 

874
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,720
saying broken Britain or 
reporting broken Britain, it 

875
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,840
makes me annoyed because it's 
not broken Britain. 

876
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,560
It's the fact that Britain has 
been broken. 

877
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:17,880
It's deliberately malicious 
political policy which is being 

878
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,000
used to break down the nation 
state. 

879
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,440
And why is this happening? 
Well. 

880
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,720
There's a sort of little well, 
no, it's not a story actually, 

881
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,640
there's a man called Peter 
Drucker who was a an 

882
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,880
international business 
consultant and he was 

883
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:40,760
particularly skilled at a 
helping very big companies, 

884
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:47,160
global corporations to change 
their commercial structure could

885
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,240
be combined with branding. 
And one of the things that he 

886
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:56,640
talked about was that if you had
a very big monolithic structure 

887
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:01,040
and, and it was doing its job, 
it was all working OK. 

888
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,280
If you wanted to get that 
structure going in a different 

889
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:09,360
direction, you had to 
destabilize it because people 

890
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,440
who were happy and confident in 
their jobs didn't want to be 

891
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,680
going in a different direction. 
They wanted to be carrying on 

892
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,880
with life. 
They were good at their jobs. 

893
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:25,080
They were enjoying their jobs. 
And, and he was one of the one 

894
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,800
of the so-called business 
experts that said, if you've got

895
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,200
a big organization and it's 
going to change direction, you 

896
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:37,440
have to destabilize it. 
And This is why about 10 years 

897
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:43,760
ago we started to hear people 
actually being described as 

898
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:50,720
change agents or disruptors. 
And when we went to look at what

899
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,280
these disruptors and change 
agents said, you you can find 

900
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:59,080
people speaking about it on 
YouTube, they actually said. 

901
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:05,720
Our job is to destabilise and 
challenge everything in order to

902
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,720
get people thinking in a 
different way, and I think it's 

903
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,760
interesting that what I'm 
describing also comes under this

904
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,560
psychological. 
The psychological tech 

905
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,720
techniques, because you're using
people in a particular way to 

906
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,360
change the way people think and 
behave. 

907
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,840
So everything is about 
destabilisation and breakdown. 

908
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:35,400
And what I'm suggesting to you 
is that the reason this is 

909
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,640
happening is because the 
country's got to be shaken to 

910
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,200
its roots. 
The institutions have got to be 

911
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,360
broken down South. 
People can't trust anything, 

912
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,720
they can't trust the courts or 
the police or if they're going 

913
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,760
to get treated properly in the 
NHS. 

914
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:56,320
This is deliberate policy in 
order to soften, soften this up 

915
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,440
as to what comes next. 
Now just add to that that in the

916
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:06,200
early days when I was beginning 
to realise something was badly 

917
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,640
wrong in the country myself, I'm
seeing all the fraud and 

918
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,520
corruption in Plymouth. 
A man out out of the blue sent 

919
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:18,560
me a copy of a book, and the 
book was called The EU 

920
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:24,600
Collective Enemy of its member 
states, and it was written by a 

921
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:29,800
man called Christopher Story. 
I I met him about a year later. 

922
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:35,080
He's no longer alive, but. 
One afternoon I sat down with a 

923
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,320
cup of tea to read that book or 
start reading it. 

924
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:43,640
And I opened it and within a few
pages of the front cover was a 

925
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:48,240
table. 
And the table describes first of

926
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:53,120
all the destabilisation of UK 
Western countries. 

927
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,240
The destabilisation, sorry, 
first of all it was 

928
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:04,000
demoralisation, then 
destabilisation, then what it 

929
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:10,400
called the revolution period, 
the complete breakdown and, and 

930
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,760
the synthesis following the 
complete breakdown of the 

931
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,880
country was what it called 
normalisation, which was, which 

932
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:23,560
was a new society. 
And I, I looked at this table on

933
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,760
the left hand side, it talked 
about areas of society, law, 

934
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,160
order, health, education, 
military. 

935
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:36,600
And then it said what was to be 
done to break up those areas. 

936
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,640
And then it said what the result
was. 

937
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,920
So if I gave you a really simple
one with health, it said 

938
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:50,160
introduce junk food and the 
result was going to be a 

939
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,800
complete breakdown in the. 
Health and well-being of the 

940
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,680
nation. 
I can tell you that in the 

941
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,800
military, it said that the 
military. 

942
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,880
Was to be exposed to the gay 
agenda and women in the 

943
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,280
military, and the result was to 
be a weakening of military 

944
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,280
forces. 
Now I know to some people those 

945
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,400
two issues might be a motive, 
and I'm very happy to talk about

946
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,480
that. 
So sort of separate thing, but 

947
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,880
for me, when I looked at the 
table, my head said, this is 

948
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,080
happening. 
And one of the things I did is 

949
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:32,000
focus photocopied that table. 
And at meetings or talks that I 

950
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,560
went to give, I would show 
people the table without any 

951
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,520
context. 
I'd just say, have a look at 

952
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,440
this, what do you think? 
And you'd see them start to read

953
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:46,800
it and then you'd see their 
browse get a little bit furrowed

954
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,560
and then they'd say, but this is
happening. 

955
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:56,360
So just by seeing this table, 
which was a plan to demoralise a

956
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:01,160
country, to destabilise a 
country to the extent that 

957
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:05,080
ultimately you can install a new
political regime, this was all 

958
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,560
planned policy. 
Now unfortunately I lost my or I

959
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:14,800
gave my loaned my copy of that 
book, the EU Collective, enemy 

960
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,560
of it, enemy of its member 
States to somebody who didn't 

961
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,880
give it back. 
But you can find that book as 

962
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,120
APDF online and you can see the 
the table. 

963
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:32,640
I'm talking about yourself. 
But this is the meat of where we

964
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,520
are today. 
If you feel that around you, 

965
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:41,240
everything is spinning. 
We can't deal with immigration. 

966
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,680
The police are off the rails. 
We can't deal with the child 

967
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,080
abusers. 
The courts don't run properly. 

968
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:52,800
We've got to get rid of juries. 
You can't get yourself seen in a

969
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,200
doctor's surgery. 
You can't get your teeth fixed, 

970
01:07:55,560 --> 01:08:01,360
children being sexualized. 
This is a whirlwind of chaos 

971
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:06,600
which is designed by very, very 
malicious people as a means of 

972
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:11,680
attacking a whole society. 
And I'm going to say to you as 

973
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:18,399
my audience today in 2025, this 
is extremely well advanced now 

974
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,760
so that you can start to see 
people who are beginning to get 

975
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:27,279
fractious with each other as a 
result of the confusion and 

976
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:32,040
turbulence. 
And of course, helping to drive 

977
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:37,479
this situation. 
We have mainstream media such as

978
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,840
the BBC, which is now completely
out of control. 

979
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:46,040
It's it's not doing any proper 
questioning of politicians. 

980
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,640
It's not doing any proper 
investigation to get to the 

981
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:54,359
bottom of stories. 
It's not challenging MPs 

982
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:56,160
properly over the grooming 
gangs. 

983
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:01,800
We can clearly see that the 
mainstream media is itself being

984
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:06,560
controlled in a way that it's 
not helping the public get to 

985
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,800
the bottom of what's happening 
with a view to stopping it. 

986
01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:15,080
It's actually causing greater 
confusion and turbulence in in 

987
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:20,439
people's minds and coupled with 
that we've got a whole plethora 

988
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:25,840
of legislation which is coming 
through very rapidly making it 

989
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:31,479
more difficult for adults to go 
on social media to find out 

990
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:36,920
what's really happening. 
So the Social Media Channels UK 

991
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,000
column is one of them. 
But there are there are many 

992
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,120
other good channels. 
They're all under pressure 

993
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,520
because we can see that the 
government is using its powers, 

994
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:51,279
often internationally as a way 
of shut, of shutting down media 

995
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:54,920
exposure of what's of what's 
really going on. 

996
01:09:55,400 --> 01:10:03,440
So in my mind, it's very clear 
that UK is being attacked and 

997
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:07,240
the aim is to completely break 
this country down. 

998
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:12,640
Violence on the street is good 
as far as the establishment's 

999
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,920
concerned because if you can get
violence on the street then you 

1000
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,160
can bring in emergency powers, 
emergency laws. 

1001
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:25,000
Plus you can use the full weight
of the police, armed police, 

1002
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,800
riot police and indeed the 
military in order to help 

1003
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:34,120
completely squash free speech in
the nation. 

1004
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:44,360
So to me, UK very, very dark in 
2025 and this agenda of created 

1005
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:50,520
chaos as the final step to a 
completely different sort of 

1006
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,920
society. 
This, this is where we are. 

1007
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,320
What is the society that they're
bringing in? 

1008
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,680
Well, that's getting ever more 
clear to see, isn't it? 

1009
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,280
Because you can. 
You've seen all of the reports 

1010
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:10,000
to date on the surveillance 
state, and this may be 

1011
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,880
everything from surveillance 
from of our faces through CCTV 

1012
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:21,240
cameras to the fact that with 
now digital banking, the state 

1013
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:26,200
is able to pry into the simplest
transactions we might have as an

1014
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:31,000
individual or as a family. 
On top of that, we've got the 

1015
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:36,720
police being increasingly brutal
and aggressive in their 

1016
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:41,320
behaviour, to the extent that 
we've now got the police kicking

1017
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,440
in people's doors because 
they've said something which is 

1018
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,520
hurt somebody else on social 
media. 

1019
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:53,720
We've got courts taking children
away from families because of 

1020
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:58,200
their political beliefs. 
And if you're saying that can't 

1021
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:03,000
possibly be true, well take 
yourself back to 2012 when it 

1022
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:07,600
was reported, across most of the
mainstream papers at least, that

1023
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,920
a UKIP couple that had their 
foster children taken away from 

1024
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:17,480
them because the local authority
had decided that their UKIP 

1025
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,560
beliefs were two extremist right
wing. 

1026
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:26,640
And now we've got Lord Leveson, 
retired judge, who was the man 

1027
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,920
that the government used in 
order to bring in the Leveson 

1028
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,440
inquiry into freedom of the 
press. 

1029
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,320
What did he achieve? 
Well, he actually achieved the 

1030
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:43,320
exact opposite, which was the 
the press being made fearful of 

1031
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:47,880
doing its traditional job of 
investigating and reporting. 

1032
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:53,520
Lord Leveson has just been used 
to do to carry out what he 

1033
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:58,560
describes as an independent 
review of the court system where

1034
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:04,600
he's now recommending, supported
by Lammy, that we should get rid

1035
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:09,000
of jury trials in order to get 
rid of the backlog of cases 

1036
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,480
which have apparently been 
caused by COVID troubles and 

1037
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:15,280
COVID lockdown. 
We're going to get rid of the 

1038
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:22,080
jury and from more minor trials 
you are going to be sat in front

1039
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,320
of a single politically 
appointed judge who will decide 

1040
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,040
whether you are innocent or 
guilty. 

1041
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:36,440
So what can I add to that? 
Well, probably I'll pause before

1042
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:40,160
we go on to it, but one of the 
key issues that I'm aware of is 

1043
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:45,560
breakdown of the armed forces. 
We've now got to a stage where 

1044
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:50,360
the British Army is barely 
capable of putting 20,000 men 

1045
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,080
into the field into a combat 
situation. 

1046
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,120
And even if it got 20,000 men 
into the field, it probably 

1047
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,960
could only keep them in the 
field for a matter of weeks. 

1048
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,840
That's not my personal opinion. 
That's been reported quite 

1049
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,160
widely as well. 
So we we've got a massive 

1050
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:15,640
breakdown in our armed forces at
the very time that we have a 

1051
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:20,200
government that is working 
desperately hard to make people 

1052
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:24,680
fearful of a Russian attack on 
Western Europe. 

1053
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,720
And indeed when they mention 
nuclear weapons to make people 

1054
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:34,800
fearful that they're going to 
die in some nuclear Holocaust. 

1055
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:39,880
So this is the reality of the UK
we live in at the moment. 

1056
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:43,920
But there's a reason for it. 
The reason is that we are being 

1057
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,920
attacked. 
And if we are going to deal with

1058
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,120
the attack, we have to see it 
for what it is. 

1059
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,600
We have to understand it. 
We have to understand the 

1060
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,560
techniques being used against 
us. 

1061
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:00,160
And it's only then that we're 
going to be in a position to 

1062
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:05,320
actually fight back and 
challenge and counter what's 

1063
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:09,080
actually happening. 
So Richard, if I break there 

1064
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,920
because I've sort of taken it 
that it leads into having a chat

1065
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:17,080
about Ukraine and World War. 
Three another happy subject for 

1066
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:23,120
us to enjoy our beer with and. 
If I could just quickly say that

1067
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:27,160
in the in the Zoom chat, Mark's 
put in a couple of comments that

1068
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:32,040
Mark Anderson again that I think
are are very relevant to say 

1069
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,920
broken Britain in inverted 
commas implies it's a passive 

1070
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,160
process without deliberate 
sabotage. 

1071
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,600
And he also put in a couple of 
reminders. 1 is that Bilderberg 

1072
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:48,760
helped create the EU and and he 
also said and to think we fund 

1073
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,360
expensive militaries to protect 
us from China and other purely 

1074
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,520
external threats. 
OK. 

1075
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:01,760
So at this point, I'm asked our 
audience to ask them whether 

1076
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,160
they'd like to ask some 
questions of you. 

1077
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,640
Brian, it's OK. 
Please do. 

1078
01:16:17,470 --> 01:16:22,630
Brian, I wonder whether my own 
perception is that we reached 

1079
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:28,150
kind of what I would call peak 
walk maybe 2-3 years ago. 

1080
01:16:28,710 --> 01:16:34,280
And I think since then, you 
know, the, the kind of LGBTQ 

1081
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:38,280
plus agendas, not so much in 
your face, not quite so much in 

1082
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,200
your face as it was. 
I mean, they seem to be on the 

1083
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,360
back foot. 
I mean, here in Leeds, for 

1084
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:47,880
example, we have an organization
in Scotland called LGBT Youth 

1085
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,680
Scotland. 
And although there's by charity 

1086
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,480
law in their own constitution is
supposed to focus on youth of 

1087
01:16:55,480 --> 01:17:00,120
certain age, years of age, plus 
they have been active in primary

1088
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:04,240
schools, you know, promoting 
their agenda, which is obviously

1089
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,720
A cause of concern. 
But that said organization used 

1090
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,960
to have an office here in lease,
you know, that couple of 100 

1091
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,200
yards away from where we're 
sitting now, that office is now 

1092
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,960
closed. 
And I think that's me as an 

1093
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:21,000
example of their profile and 
strength in society is actually 

1094
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,880
a bit weaker than it was say 2-3
years ago. 

1095
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,640
It's obviously still there. 
I mean, if we're looking at the 

1096
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,800
Sandy Peggy case recently. 
But even there, you know, the 

1097
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,920
judging question was mentioned 
asked of himself, you know, 

1098
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,640
apparently using AI or something
to get a really ridiculous 

1099
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,840
judgement trying to justify the 
NHS fight for reasonable in 

1100
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,520
allowing Dr. Upton to go into 
thank you women's changing room.

1101
01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:47,640
So to my mind, there's I think 
of a bit of a background. 

1102
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:49,720
I wonder whether the powers 
would be in a bit of a quandary 

1103
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:53,200
because as you're about to 
discuss, they're pumping up the 

1104
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:54,840
war agenda. 
You know, we're going to war 

1105
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,560
with Russia and Mark Reuters 
making these horrendous 

1106
01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:59,240
statements. 
You'd be ready for a war that 

1107
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,000
your grandfathers and great, 
great grandfathers were familiar

1108
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:03,760
with. 
Terrible statements. 

1109
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,640
But I wonder if in order to get 
people behind that, you have to 

1110
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,880
kind of pull back on the LGBTQ 
agenda, which as you've said 

1111
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,440
before, is not consistent with 
military vigour that one would 

1112
01:18:14,440 --> 01:18:18,120
imagine is necessary to fight a 
war that our grandfathers fault.

1113
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:22,520
OK, OK. 
Thank you very much for that. 

1114
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:27,800
And I particularly like your 
question because it, it 

1115
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,040
inherently brings us back onto 
something positive. 

1116
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:38,800
I, I think you are absolutely 
right that the woke agenda was 

1117
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:45,760
pushed too far too quickly to 
the extent that it got under 

1118
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,400
people's skin. 
But the key thing is once it got

1119
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,560
under their skin, what did they 
do? 

1120
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,120
And the answer is they started 
to do things. 

1121
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:59,160
They started to speak out of it,
out about it. 

1122
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,080
You would see, you might see a 
Daily Mail article. 

1123
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,360
And then if you want to see the 
comments underneath, there was 

1124
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,920
comment after comment after 
comment, hundreds of comments 

1125
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,800
where people would be saying 
this is utterly nonsense, It's 

1126
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,120
ridiculous. 
We're not having it. 

1127
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,600
And so it was the fact that 
people, in my opinion, it was 

1128
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:26,280
the fact that people actually 
started to express not only as 

1129
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:30,720
individuals, but but within, 
within their communities and 

1130
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:38,960
publicly their deep unhappiness 
with the agenda, with the woke 

1131
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,040
agenda. 
Plus they were ridiculing it. 

1132
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:48,720
And and so for the people trying
to implement the policies once 

1133
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:53,720
it became apparent to them. 
That that people saw it as 

1134
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:57,480
something not only stupid and 
ridiculous, but they were 

1135
01:19:57,480 --> 01:20:00,520
ridiculing it. 
And then they are calmly saying 

1136
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,840
we're not having it and they're 
starting to challenge. 

1137
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:10,640
It where for example local local
authorities were maybe bringing 

1138
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:15,520
in trans into into the women's 
changing rooms as a simple 

1139
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:21,880
example. 
It was this public opinion, it 

1140
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:26,440
was like an osmosis of public 
opinion which made the policy 

1141
01:20:26,440 --> 01:20:31,800
people realise they'd overcooked
it and therefore they had to 

1142
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,920
step back because if they pushed
it, what they will be telling. 

1143
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,360
More of the. 
Public is that this is a an 

1144
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,640
aggressive agenda which we've 
got to enforce on you. 

1145
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:47,360
So there's a little bit of a. 
I think a tie in here with 

1146
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,000
Mark's point earlier when he was
talking about how do we do 

1147
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,600
things, what can we do? 
But this particular subject, the

1148
01:20:55,600 --> 01:21:01,160
backlash against woke has been 
utterly brilliant because it's 

1149
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,800
been so simple for most people 
to do. 

1150
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,480
They've simply got hot under the
collar and have spoken out 

1151
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:12,000
publicly saying they're not 
having it and it and it's 

1152
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,400
produced a result. 
And I think this is this is a 

1153
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:20,400
great teaching point for the 
fact that other subject areas 

1154
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,880
could be dealt with in the same 
way. 

1155
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,480
So for example, the fact that 
you can't get a doctor's 

1156
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:30,400
appointment by picking up a 
phone and saying I'm sick and I 

1157
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:34,760
need to come and see a doctor. 
This should be dealt with by 

1158
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:41,600
thousands of people coming out 
publicly and talking about it. 

1159
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,920
But the irony is that many of 
them are not tackling that 

1160
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:50,120
subject with the same vehemence.
They're simply accepting it as a

1161
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,600
fait accompli. 
But first of all, I want to say 

1162
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:58,720
that yes, I agree. 
I think that the woke agenda and

1163
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,840
it's the policies have been 
stalled as a result of 

1164
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,280
increasing backlash from the 
public. 

1165
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,360
I. 
Think we have a question from Is

1166
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:16,880
It Rob? 
No, I actually I just joined you

1167
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,000
because. 
Oh OK, I saw your camera on, 

1168
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,960
sorry about that. 
I was I was out in in a storm 

1169
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:29,320
and managed to get home with the
dog and my wife so I just OK I 

1170
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:32,080
just logged in. 
OK, no problem welcome. 

1171
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:35,280
Merry Christmas to you all, 
Merry. 

1172
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,960
Christmas, Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1173
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:51,680
Do you have a question, Brian? 
Could I just the the state state

1174
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:55,840
of the nation according to you 
seems to be absolutely terrible.

1175
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:04,800
But do you think that this this 
actually leaves a space for new 

1176
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:10,120
things to come, not the new 
things which are being imposed 

1177
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,480
on us, but other things. 
So what what we're trying to do 

1178
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:22,160
in common knowledge is to think 
about, OK, we understand what is

1179
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:26,000
trying to be imposed on us. 
What are the alternatives? 

1180
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,040
What do we think we really want?
And can we start to create what 

1181
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:33,760
we really want in the future 
rather than kind of looking back

1182
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,080
and wringing our hands and 
saying, oh, this, you know, 

1183
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:40,040
everything's terrible. 
We need to look to the future 

1184
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:44,640
and put in place things which 
will in some cases, replace what

1185
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,200
we have at the moment and be 
better than what we have at the 

1186
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,400
moment. 
Yes, Richard, this is a really 

1187
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,520
good point and. 
I'll say I've never been shy on 

1188
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,440
really ramming home to people 
how serious things are because 

1189
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:04,440
probably I've, I've got a little
bit of something still attached 

1190
01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:08,600
to me from the early days where 
you'd often be talking to an 

1191
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:13,520
audience where they clearly did 
not understand anything that was

1192
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,520
happening around them. 
They were just, they were just 

1193
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:21,880
happy and and you needed to 
start actually. 

1194
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:26,160
Getting into their psyche to 
make them understand, no, you 

1195
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,640
can't just sit here and pretend 
it's it's all a bit of a joke. 

1196
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,320
It's all a bit of cock up. 
No, we're we're dealing with 

1197
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,480
orchestrated conspiracy. 
So I'm sorry if I've unleashed a

1198
01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:40,640
bit of that on an audience where
I know you've got people who 

1199
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,520
want to do positive things. 
So I'm really. 

1200
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,320
Happy to switch back the other 
way. 

1201
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,960
I, I sorted out a couple of 
books while I was sort of 

1202
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,080
preparing myself for this. 
And one of the ones that came to

1203
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:57,320
hand is this is a little book by
Vernon Coleman, who I got a lot 

1204
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,240
of respect from. 
It's called Bloodless 

1205
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:05,440
Revolution, and it then says, 
now we can change the world in 

1206
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:09,000
one day. 
And this little book by Vernon 

1207
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:14,240
Coleman includes, Hang on a 
minute before I see if I can 

1208
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:18,480
just find the last paragraph. 
Well, it's it's over 200. 

1209
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:25,600
It's 277 points of what can be 
done in order to make a 

1210
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:29,760
difference. 
And as I pick this book up, it 

1211
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,000
sort of flicked open on a 
particular page. 

1212
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:38,200
And what caught my eye was his 
.2200 and 50. 

1213
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:44,280
And he says our first step to 
freedom must be to free 

1214
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:49,000
ourselves of the party system 
and return to days when our 

1215
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:54,560
parliament consisted of honest, 
caring individuals and who were,

1216
01:25:54,560 --> 01:26:00,360
who were representing the people
in their constituencies. 

1217
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:05,720
And I'd, I highlighted it and 
marked the book on that one 

1218
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:09,000
because personally, I think this
is a very, very powerful 

1219
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,520
statement. 
If you look at the way society 

1220
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,600
is being controlled, it's being 
controlled through a highly 

1221
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,520
orchestrated party political 
system. 

1222
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:25,320
And if we're to achieve some 
real beneficial change, we've, 

1223
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:30,080
we've got to be breaking that 
party system down. 

1224
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:35,640
Now I'm then going to say ideal 
and I'm friends with people in 

1225
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:39,920
many of the smaller parties of 
heritage party comes into my 

1226
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:44,800
mind and what I always say to 
them is you are doing a good job

1227
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,800
because you're helping to break 
down the monolithic party 

1228
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,240
system. 
But ultimately it's my personal 

1229
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:59,000
view that if somebody stands to 
represent us in the community or

1230
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,920
us via Parliament, then they 
should be doing it as an 

1231
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:09,880
individual and not under this 
orchestrated party system. 

1232
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:13,000
So I just throw that that in as 
one example. 

1233
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:20,640
But as long as people do 
understand that we're up against

1234
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:25,440
something really nasty, we can 
look at every possibility as to 

1235
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:29,640
what we should do because 
exposure is still a very 

1236
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:34,840
powerful tool. 
Most people in UK have no idea 

1237
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:36,720
what's really going on in the 
country. 

1238
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:41,320
So when people do their 
research, maybe they're using 

1239
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:45,280
parliamentary sources or they're
doing Freedom of Information 

1240
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:50,000
requests when they have got the 
factual evidence demonstrating 

1241
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,080
what's wrong and what's being 
done inside the country. 

1242
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:58,080
And that is delivered to. 
Other people in the country that

1243
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:02,840
simple research and exposure is 
itself a very powerful tool. 

1244
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,760
I mentioned the ladies in Wales,
Public Child Protection Wales, 

1245
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,280
they've taken their 
investigation of the grooming of

1246
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:15,640
school, young school children to
the point where they've been 

1247
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:21,280
able to produce their own 
written documents, helping to 

1248
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,720
train teachers into what they 
should be doing. 

1249
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:31,440
Some of their literature is able
to use government statements on 

1250
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:36,080
its sexualisation of children 
and they've been able to show 

1251
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:41,040
teachers that the government's 
own policy fits grooming of 

1252
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:45,720
children as a criminal act. 
So that's a very small group 

1253
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:49,160
have done it. 
I've also mentioned the the 

1254
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,960
people challenging the council's
council watch. 

1255
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,240
You're another group that's set 
up. 

1256
01:28:55,640 --> 01:29:02,560
So I believe that we can be very
relaxed about what we tell 

1257
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:07,280
people to go and do and what 
they should challenge because 

1258
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:11,160
people inherently were best in 
sectors that they understand. 

1259
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:14,680
So it's to me it seems logical 
that if you've got people who've

1260
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:18,920
been through the NHS, for 
example, they are the ones who 

1261
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:23,440
should start to work out what 
they can do in order to 

1262
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:27,720
challenge what's happening in 
the NHS and produce something 

1263
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:31,080
better. 
So we can afford to be pretty 

1264
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:35,920
relaxed with the people who are 
brought on board to fight. 

1265
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,160
There's no need to be 
prescriptive. 

1266
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,800
And because I did pay attention 
to Mark when he was talking to 

1267
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,160
me on the phone, one of the 
things Mark said was what would 

1268
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:54,400
help people fight is if we can 
give them more black and white 

1269
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:59,440
examples of this was the 
problem, this is what was done, 

1270
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:04,480
This is why the counter turned 
out to be a success. 

1271
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,960
So if we could, if we know what 
the problems are, if we can show

1272
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:14,920
people what works to bring down 
that regime or or build a better

1273
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:19,080
system, then we are doing the 
right job and we want that 

1274
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:23,840
message to spread. 
Well, that that's actually quite

1275
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:31,320
a good way of me giving some 
publicity to a conference that 

1276
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:35,320
we're going to be holding in 
February, which is about 

1277
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:40,640
basically empowerment of people.
And the idea is to look at a 

1278
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:43,560
number of different areas where 
people have seen there's a 

1279
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,960
problem and they've taken the 
initiative and they've done 

1280
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,280
something about it and they're 
on the way to making 

1281
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,040
improvements in that, in that 
area. 

1282
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:55,800
So I think I personally think 
that that's one of the areas 

1283
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:59,040
that we should be going into, 
showing people that they do have

1284
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:06,560
power, that they're not 
completely subjective subjects 

1285
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,840
of people, that they actually 
can go out and do and make a 

1286
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,440
difference. 
And I think that that's a kind 

1287
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:14,240
of very positive thing that we 
can say. 

1288
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:20,080
And what I'd like to add to that
is and, and a smile as I say 

1289
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:23,320
this, because it's a little bit 
of military background coming, 

1290
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:28,480
coming to the fore. 
But if you, if you look at 

1291
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:33,760
warfare and you look at where 
minor powers have taken on major

1292
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:38,320
powers, the thing which has 
caused the major power the most 

1293
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:41,800
problem is guerrilla style 
warfare. 

1294
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:46,600
Now we're not talking about 
encouraging people to engage in 

1295
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:51,480
physical warfare. 
This is an information war 

1296
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:56,280
mainly that we're we're in. 
But nevertheless, the techniques

1297
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,640
of guerrilla operations, I 
believe are very important, and 

1298
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:04,840
that is that you train people so
that they know why they're doing

1299
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,800
what they're doing. 
You train them, you give them 

1300
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:12,280
the tools. 
In the real circumstance, it 

1301
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:14,320
will be the weapon. 
But we're not dealing in 

1302
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,720
weapons. 
We're dealing in pen and paper 

1303
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:23,920
and exposure and challenges and 
maybe demonstrations, but it's 

1304
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:27,800
done in such a way that once 
you've given people the material

1305
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:31,280
and the encouragement, the 
training to go and do the job, 

1306
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:37,960
they are allowed to go and and 
do that job in their own area. 

1307
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,280
Because they know their own area
best. 

1308
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:45,440
And their own area may be a 
professional area, or it might 

1309
01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:49,760
be a geographical area, might be
a part of the country where they

1310
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,600
really stay understand what's 
taking place. 

1311
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:58,360
But the reason I believe that 
our whole counter to what's 

1312
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:02,800
being done should be in a 
guerrilla style is because every

1313
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:08,560
time you attempt a major 
response to these criminal 

1314
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:14,480
political bodies and, and their 
and their support agencies, they

1315
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:20,440
are very, very good at attacking
and bringing down orchestrated 

1316
01:33:20,440 --> 01:33:23,600
bodies. 
Where there's a pyramid, can a 

1317
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:27,960
pyramid command structure, one 
or two people at the top are the

1318
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:32,800
ones who are giving all the 
instructions and, and people 

1319
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,840
don't move unless there's 
communications from inside this 

1320
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:41,320
body, this authority. 
Now gorilla, the gorilla system 

1321
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,040
doesn't work like that. 
Provided people have got the 

1322
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,560
knowledge of how to fight, 
provided they've got the right 

1323
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:54,280
tools to fight, they are largely
left alone to to conduct the 

1324
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:58,560
battle in their own area. 
And because there's no central 

1325
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:03,200
communications, no central 
command and control structure, 

1326
01:34:03,480 --> 01:34:08,840
it's very, very difficult for 
the opposing forces to break 

1327
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:11,800
them down. 
This is one of the key reasons. 

1328
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:15,160
Apologies to you, Mark. 
This is one of the very simple 

1329
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:21,440
reasons why the operations of 
the Viet Cong was so difficult 

1330
01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:25,400
for the Americans to counter 
with all their might in Vietnam.

1331
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:30,000
But it's been the same in other 
guerrilla warfares. 

1332
01:34:30,440 --> 01:34:34,840
Relatively small numbers of 
people, often poorly armed and 

1333
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:40,640
equipped, cause big trouble for 
for bigger, aggressive military 

1334
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:45,640
organisations. 
Brian, we haven't left very much

1335
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,560
time, but I just wonder whether 
you could say a few words about 

1336
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:52,480
the push at the moment to get us
to go to war with Russia. 

1337
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:59,440
Well, my first comment is that 
although we're seeing all the 

1338
01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:04,800
hype, I don't believe that they 
want us to go to war with 

1339
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:07,480
Russia. 
They're more interested in how 

1340
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,920
fearful they can make the 
Western population as a whole, 

1341
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:16,200
because if they can make the 
population fearful enough, they 

1342
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,280
can control the population more 
easily. 

1343
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:24,960
And also they can bring in 
further draconian policies in 

1344
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:31,400
order to control everyday life. 
So Free Press can be closed 

1345
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,280
down. 
We can have arbitrary arrests on

1346
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:38,240
the streets as a result of some 
accusation that you've you've 

1347
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:43,120
helped to a foreign power. 
So I believe that the the big 

1348
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:47,200
call that war is coming and we 
want to do this, and that it's 

1349
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:48,840
fear. 
That's what they want. 

1350
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:52,040
First of all, this is 
psychological attack on our 

1351
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:56,680
minds. 
However, in doing this, are 

1352
01:35:56,680 --> 01:36:00,520
these people, they're 
intelligent, but they're clearly

1353
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:04,800
mad and very dangerous. 
In doing this, are they taking 

1354
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:10,080
us closer to a circumstance 
where they could trigger an 

1355
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,080
expanded war with Russia? 
And I think the answer to that 

1356
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:19,160
is absolutely they are. 
And therefore we need to be 

1357
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:24,120
holding our politicians to 
account whenever we're hearing 

1358
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:30,000
this war mongering rhetoric. 
Because OK, I'm a long time out 

1359
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,600
of the military and was Cold War
days for me. 

1360
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:37,320
But it's absolutely obvious to 
me that NATO, but also the 

1361
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:44,120
European Union has been used as 
a vehicle to expand NATO 

1362
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:48,640
military power eastwards. 
And the European Union has 

1363
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,840
absolutely been on board with 
that same agenda. 

1364
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,880
And for the Russians, and it 
would be the same if it was the 

1365
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,360
Americans. 
Well, the example was Cuba, 

1366
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:03,360
when, when missiles were going 
to be brought really close to 

1367
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:08,040
the borders of the of the USA, 
the Americans had to say no, 

1368
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:11,840
this can't happen. 
It's to do with warning times. 

1369
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:14,080
The Russians have had to say the
same. 

1370
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:22,320
So this war in Ukraine has been 
ramped up deliberately in order 

1371
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:27,240
in the first instance for NATO, 
but more importantly the 

1372
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:31,280
European Union to expand its 
empire eastward. 

1373
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:35,840
And of course, Ukraine is such a
huge attraction because of its 

1374
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:41,680
vast food and mineral wealth. 
So that's been the other thing. 

1375
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,720
And if you've never heard the 
term before, if you go into 

1376
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:51,480
European policy going way back 
to just post World War, the 

1377
01:37:51,480 --> 01:37:56,160
phrase was from the Atlantic to 
the Urals. 

1378
01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:01,960
The the policy dream for the 
European project was that the 

1379
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:07,200
European Union would extend from
the Atlantic to the Urals and 

1380
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:11,240
that automatically means that 
Russia had to be brought into 

1381
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:15,200
the project. 
As we've seen, Russia's not 

1382
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:19,160
playing the game. 
And now, in my opinion, that's 

1383
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:23,400
why we've got this vicious, 
vicious backlash against Russia,

1384
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:27,080
where the Western powers are 
going to fight to the last 

1385
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:33,320
Ukrainian in order to try and 
fragment Russia so that the 

1386
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:38,440
European powers can claim the 
land east to the Urals. 

1387
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:44,360
So I would not be relaxing over 
Christmas thinking we're all 

1388
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:47,240
going to die in a nuclear war 
next year. 

1389
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:52,880
I don't think that's going to 
happen, but what I think we 

1390
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:57,160
should be concerned with is that
we've got such a vicious and mad

1391
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:02,800
rhetoric from our politicians 
calling for war and using terms 

1392
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:07,720
of war, that we've got to call 
out these people before they do 

1393
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:11,960
something silly which triggers 
conflict. 

1394
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:14,240
That that's how I view it at the
moment. 

1395
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:21,800
Well, I think that's a fantastic
analysis, Brian. 

1396
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:24,760
I think we're just coming to the
end of our two hours now. 

1397
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:28,680
So I'd just like to thank you on
behalf of everyone at Common 

1398
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:39,520
Knowledge for giving us such a, 
a broad understanding your, your

1399
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:44,880
very detailed analysis of many, 
many different situations. 

1400
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:49,040
And I think it's given us lots 
of food for thought over the 

1401
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:53,840
Christmas period and also a lot 
of positivity as well because 

1402
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:58,240
you see that, you know, we 
shouldn't be people who are 

1403
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:01,560
scared that we have power of 
ourselves. 

1404
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:05,040
If you understand what's going 
on, we can do things about it. 

1405
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,280
And I think that's a very 
positive note on which to end 

1406
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,520
2025. 
So thank you very much indeed 

1407
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:16,640
for giving up your time. 
And for giving us your many and 

1408
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:20,160
many varied views on huge number
of different issues. 

1409
01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:22,280
So thank you very much indeed, 
Brian. 

1410
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:28,560
Well, Richard and team and also 
big thank you to Diane for 

1411
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,880
helping to set this up and and 
and run the event today. 

1412
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:37,040
Yeah, thank you for inviting me.
It's been fun. 

1413
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:40,360
I've still got some of my beer 
left, so the day's going well. 

1414
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:45,360
Yeah, I just want to end on the 
fact that we're coming up to 

1415
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:48,720
Christmas. 
Christmas itself has changed, 

1416
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:52,080
hasn't it? 
I I don't think it was something

1417
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,440
which I I felt as an individual,
which was something you feel 

1418
01:40:55,440 --> 01:41:00,280
because you were younger. 
But for me, Christmas, when it 

1419
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:04,640
came in years gone by, had a 
calm to it. 

1420
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:09,680
Christmas was approaching and 
there was a an atmosphere which 

1421
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:14,080
sort of took over. 
And now we're surrounded by more

1422
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:18,200
and more LE DS and flashing neon
lights. 

1423
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:21,560
And it seems to me the more 
those lights appear, the less 

1424
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:26,040
there's a feeling of Christmas. 
And I know we could have a deep 

1425
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:28,480
discussion about what Christmas 
really is. 

1426
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:32,200
But if we if we say that 
Christmas has always been 

1427
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:36,800
regarded as a spiritual time of 
year, time where we should be 

1428
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:41,320
reflecting and and refreshing 
ourselves, I'd encourage you to 

1429
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:46,680
get into that mindset and do not
underestimate the power of 

1430
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:51,480
prayer. 
Because as I said early on, this

1431
01:41:51,480 --> 01:41:53,960
is the Gov why the government 
wants to ban it. 

1432
01:41:54,680 --> 01:42:00,880
Because the evil that that is 
driving the political agenda is 

1433
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:04,520
very scared of prayer. 
So if over Christmas you get the

1434
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:08,680
time to be somewhere quiet, 
that's where all you need to be 

1435
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:13,680
somewhere quiet and to reflect. 
And the lady said to me many 

1436
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:16,400
years ago, but how do you 
actually pray? 

1437
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:20,080
And I said, well, the thing to 
remember is that you're sat 

1438
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:24,880
quietly talking to a loving 
Father. 

1439
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:29,840
And that is the way that you can
put your personal fears and 

1440
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:33,680
worries across, but also you can
ask for guidance. 

1441
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:39,120
And of course, you are also able
to ask not for people to be 

1442
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:43,520
hurt, but you can ask for people
to be removed from power. 

1443
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:51,560
And you can't ask for spiritual 
fortresses, the bad stuff to be 

1444
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:54,840
brought down. 
So you can pray for yourself and

1445
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,760
your family. 
You can pray for the bad guys to

1446
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:00,520
be removed, but you can also 
pray. 

1447
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:05,320
For. 
The troubling things to also be 

1448
01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:10,600
collapsed and lead to lead us 
into something which is how 

1449
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:16,280
people should be a loving world.
And I get a lot of pleasure out 

1450
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:21,760
of thinking that I'm here saying
this to everybody in the room, 

1451
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:27,000
but really feeling that for some
reason, for me, 2025 was the 

1452
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:30,680
time that I needed to change my 
language into the. 

1453
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:33,760
Spiritual realm. 
So there we are. 

1454
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:37,160
Well. 
Thank you very much indeed. 

1455
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:39,400
It's been wonderful. 
Thank you. 

1456
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:40,360
Thank you.