Hello to the UK column listeners.
I'm delighted to be back. And what's the subject today?
The subject is gutsy women, and I've got a lady with me who I
haven't known for very long, but we started a little bit of
communication over her good efforts.
And you'll hear about those in a minute.
So I'm going to welcome to the UK column A Lady Called Rosie.
Hello, Rosie, and thank you very much for joining me.
Yes, hello and thank you for having me here.
It's it's a pleasure. Now you you have been active in
creating an organization or name the organization.
It's the White Rose, UK and I first became aware of this some
time ago and as we'll see in the conversation, I I was very
interested at what you were doing because of the origins of
the White Rose. So Rosie, tell us, tell us a
little bit if you will, just a little bit of background to
yourself, as much as you're happy to, to share and and tell
us what the White Rose is about. Sure.
So well, it all started back in 2020.
We all know what was then when restrictions, mask wearing and
and all and the lockdowns and all that started.
It was me and a few others in in my family and yeah, who were
close to me. We just realised things aren't
going, they're just going wrong and it reminded me strongly of
the time during World War 2 Germany and as a teenager, which
is quite a while ago, I watched a film from the original White
Rose, so Vice said. Also, they're called in German
and I felt very inspired. At that time.
I was very touched from what they did, but I never, I never
thought it would ever, I would ever come to a situation, into a
situation which would be similar to theirs, although it may look
very different from the outside. So back in 2020, I mean things
are very relaxed now, but back then it seemed quite scary how
Boris Johnson introduced the lockdown and then first promise
it's going to be 3 weeks. After the three weeks were over,
it just got extended and extended further and further.
There were restrictions coming up which we nobody would have
dreamt of that could be ever implemented into this society,
like having to wear a mask to go to the shop and all these
things. And then, of course, quite early
they started promoting the vaccine, which was then still in
development, and it just rang a lot of alarm bells.
And that's when when I started to I remembered that the White
Rose of Germany. And I remembered how they how
they resisted in a in a peaceful, passive way.
So they wrote leaflets and they distributed the leaflets without
giving away any names, without showing who they were.
And I thought we have to do something similar.
So I wrote a leaflet. We didn't have a website or
anything at that time. And I went to one of the very
early protests in London and and me and a few others, we
distributed this leaflet and it was only a few minutes later
where we started with the website.
And then we got a lot of support.
A lot of people joined us and said oh it's so good to know
that you exist. It's so good because we thought
we were the only ones and we thought, you know, this is so
much craziness and they were and people were afraid and they just
really were glad to come across a group like we like us and and
and then it just just grew from then on and people subscribed to
our newsletters and we always kept people informed.
We we attended various protests in in London.
Yeah. And then after of course after a
few years things just calmed down and restrictions eased or
or went away. But when we thought, OK, it's
sure it's going to be over. When when you know when this
COVID type is over, then just all of us together, we just
discovered more and more things and people kept sending in
information of of of more things what what connected to this
COVID and to the agenda. And then the picture just grew,
it was bigger. And then we just realised that
we can't stop, but we we can't stop.
We have to continue. There's so much connected with
this COVID thing. There's so much what belongs to
the same agenda. Yeah.
So that's that's why we're still continuing our work basically.
Rosie, thank you very much for that.
This is extraordinary for me because lockdown for you
obviously made a huge, huge impression and and obviously
there are a lot of people now who are prepared to say my
goodness, you know, looking back I could see in some ways people
looking back seem to feel more strongly about Lockdown than
they did at at the time they were experiencing it.
But I think I understand a little bit of a how how that
works. But clearly for you and other
people around you the lockdown made a significant impact on
them. It was it was very these these
are just my words for it. But it it was very oppressive
very quickly and then we started to see strange behaviour in
other people around us, people who normally we we we might
consider friends or they could be family members.
They suddenly started to act differently during the lockdown
period and that was a big shock to me.
There was, there was some members of my wider family that
that were clearly very frightened not only of what was
happening in lockdown, but they were they were frightened as to
what the police might do if they broke some of the lockdown
guidance like socialising or having Sunday lunch together.
So that was the background and that that started you thinking
about the resistance back in Nazi Germany.
And when our conversation started, when I started
speaking, speaking to you, which was, which was only a few couple
of weeks ago, I immediately said, my goodness, this is
incredible because back in, in 2008, it was actually February
in 2008 when the UK column was printing a, you know, a written
newspaper, which we were in that time, we had a full, nearly a
full page article which was the main headline on the page was
the UK column Battlefield Analysis, explaining how the UK
is being destroyed from within. And then the picture was a black
and white picture of the three key German, young German people
who were involved with the White Rose resistance movement.
And our warning was prompted by the fact that that we we saw, we
felt that there was a a new fascist system creating itself
through the European Union. And I went looking on the
Internet and I was looking about oppression really.
And I remember that led me into some YouTube clips and the next
minute I also found the film about the White Rose resistance
group And just to help the audience out a little bit if I
if I may, I'll just read a little bit of what what we wrote
you. You've also got information up
on your website which is recognising these.
I'm going to call them youngsters because they were
very young, they were in their early 20s if I remember
correctly, it said. We said at the time the White
Rose began distributing anti government leaflets in mid 1942.
Now remember this was this was happening in Nazi Germany.
The main authors were Hans Skull, Alex Shamorrel and George
Wittenstein. They wrote 4 leaflets and
distributed about 100 copies of them.
Of the 135 fell into the hands of the Gestapo.
At about this time Sophie Skoll joined the group.
It is known that Hans Skoll coined the expression leaflets
of the White Rose, but the origin of the expression is
unclear. The leaflets protested against
the brutality and the evil of the government and against the
extermination of the Jews, which was becoming to become more
known to more people at the time.
So the student revolt which is also there with this and and
people involved were hand Skull who yes was 25, he was a medical
student and his sister Sophie 21.
And then there there was another young guy who was actually in
the German army at the time. But when they put these leaflets
out people were being executed. And the figure that I found on
information, the German White Rose website, was that over 5000
people were executed under the Nazi regime for making trivial,
trivial offences such as making jokes about Hitler or listening
to radio broadcasts from Britain.
So Rosie, just quite incredible that both of us, we came in at a
slightly different angle, but what we picked up on was that
there was an oppressive regime installing itself in UK and we
we both found the bravery of those young, those young German
people who stood up against their own government.
Yes, and I remember that I I named the first leaflet what I
wrote before I even knew we were going to have a website or any
group or whatever. I remember I I I named the first
newsletter continuation of the White Rose because they had a
friend who who wasn't executed and she I think as far as I
remember she carried on writing in the same spirit as they did
and the so I recited her when she said this the the White Rose
has to continue. This is a continuation of the
The White Rose and and back in 2020 although it's a completely
different setting but when I read when I reread I have to say
there are leaflets from the 40s. I noticed the the the core of of
their whole resistance was was the same they were resisting
some evil power. They they named it evil power
and they need they wanted to wake people up and they they
they they said it in these words.
They wrote it in these words and that's exactly what we wanted to
do. We wanted to wake people up
because in during COVID people were asleep walking into some
some oral, how do you call it dystopia?
And it seemed like the regime, the regime, what was ruling in
England and not just England also worldwide was just would
just go on and go on and and do more rules.
And we didn't know where this was going to end and it looked
scary at that time. So kind of it was comparable.
I know people. There were people who didn't
understand our comparison. They would say, oh, how could
you be so that's cruel to compare it with, with the White
Rose of Germany. That was a completely different
situation. But I also wrote somewhere in
another leaflet or in somewhere. I remember saying that at that
time when the White Rose in Germany, when they were
distributing their leaflets, nobody would approve of what
they were doing. They would, apart from their
friends and those who were thinking the same way, But a lot
of people would say, why would you do such a thing?
That's that's that's not good, but you're going against the
regime. And they weren't popular at that
time. They only became heroes after
their death. So yeah.
Yes, that that's that's absolutely right.
And if you allow me, I'll just read what what you have posted
on your website the the White Rose UK.
And this is a brief history of divest Visser Rose if I've
pronounced that properly in German.
And you say here during World War 2A, German underground
movement called the White Rose distributed leaflets calling on
people to resist the Nazi regime.
One of their leaflets mentioned that every single human is
entitled to a government that guarantees the freedom of every
single person and the well-being of the community.
Every human should be able to reach their natural goal, their
earthly joy, autonomously and by their own accord.
The White Rose Rose spoke to people's conscience and urged
them to wake up from their dangerous lethargy.
In their 4th leaflet the members of the White Rose wrote We won't
be silenced. We are your bad conscience.
The White Rose won't leave you in peace.
And as you said, the, the main members of the group were
executed and that included Sophie Skull and a brother Hans
Skull and their friend Christoph Probst as well.
And yes, it is amazing that here we are in 2024, and both you and
I see the relevance in the in the immense bravery of the young
German people during that very dark period in Germany.
Yes. And at that time brutality was
very visible but it was not necessarily more than nowadays
in these in these days the brutality is is here too but
it's not visible. So we believe that many, many
people are being injured by the so-called COVID vaccine.
We have the same brutality we have you know this this bio
weapon basically killing people injuring people and making them
disabled for their for life and things like that and and it's
not just in one country it's global.
So there is there is a very big brutality but it's it's covered.
It's more masked up. We could say it's it's not as as
obvious as it was during Nazi times.
Yes, this this is a very good point that the brutality is is
very much there. I mean we could say that we
could look at the war-torn areas of the world so that we could we
could look at Ukraine at the moment or what's happening in
Israel and Gaza and or or Yemen and we have wars where people
are being killed and maimed and that's happening overtly.
But also we've got oppression of people, which is coming in very
slowly to the extent that many people, they sort of sense
something is wrong, but they they don't actually see it as an
attack on them. And I'll just add that when we
wrote that article in UK column back in 2008, Mike and myself
had been to Bournemouth to meet up with some people who were
very worried about what was starting to happen with removal
of liberties in UK, principally as a result of of law coming in
from the European Union. But while we were there, we had
the opportunity to speak to a very elderly German lady she'd
she'd lived through the war. She'd been bombed out of her
home twice in Hamburg was one of those.
I can't remember what the other German city was, but at the end
of the war she she formed a relationship with an English
soldier who was based in Germany.
And ultimately she came back to England with him and and made
her life here in England. But she she talked about the
fact that when the Nazi regime came in, she described how it
was very slow. Things came in slowly.
So local officials got more power and then they would get
more power and then they got uniforms to go with that power.
And then she said, then it got to the point where more and more
of these local officials could come into your home for a number
of reasons. And she, she reinforced it by
saying that the oppressive regime installed itself like the
drip, drip, drip of an anaesthetic.
And then she said, and it's happening here in this country,
and I'm just so, I'm so anxious because people can't see it.
And that was a narrative that really stuck with me because
that Lady had been through a lot and she'd seen terrible
suffering and devastation inside Germany.
And here she was, Or at that time there she was as a as a
German lady, warning us that the same things were happening in
UK, but so many people still do not seem to see what's
happening. Yeah.
And did you say that was back in 2008?
Yes. Yes, it was.
Yeah. So I think in in 2020 it was,
yeah, it became even more scary, even more obvious that that we
are you know step by step being LED in some some kind of.
Almost communist, communist regime and that yeah, as she
said, drip by drip, that's what we were afraid of.
That's what we noticed. That's why we felt it was so
urgent to try to wake people up because there was 1 restriction
coming after the other and it was when you when you just
looked at it from a distance and not just you know took it for
like oh this is just some coincidence.
This is just how they're doing it because they want the best.
When you took a step back and looked at it from a distance you
could see is a massive plan behind it and that we were that
we were slowly moving into a very dystopian society.
And that's why I think not just the White Rose or so many other
groups then started and and did a great push back luckily and we
were able to prevent then the COVID vaccine passport for
example. But of course those who are
behind this or they haven't given up and it's just
continuing this, this step by step move into some kind of very
controlled society. So I mean, the next thing on the
agenda is, is the climate change hoax, one has to say, which is
being used just to kind of get control over people.
And again, they're using similar tactics like during COVID.
They frighten people into believing there's some kind of
urgency. And then they also try to tempt
people to to to act as, you know, to do good, to to do the
right thing. It's the same with the vaccine.
If you take the vaccine, you're doing the good thing.
You're doing it for others. You're doing the right thing.
And same with the climate change agenda.
If you give up your diesel or petrol car, you're doing the
right thing. If you buy an electronic car,
you're doing the right thing. If you.
If you just give in to all these government restrictions, you're
doing the right thing. But people don't understand
often that it's. It's not.
It's not for the good, it's not for.
It's not for the environment. It's not for us.
It's not for our freedom. It's just to get more control
over people. And if you look even deeper into
this agenda, then you see it's all to reduce humanity to to
depopulate the world. And I know a few years ago I
wouldn't have dared to say anything like that because I
knew that people just think, oh, that's crazy, that can't be.
And I and I I didn't even imagine myself that it would be
that that bad but it's it's just when you when you just look into
the full agenda you just see the main goal is actually
depopulation And it sounds horrible but it's it's just a
fact and if we don't face this horrible fact they as those who
are leading this whole thing they'll just continue with their
plan. But but I'm positive I I believe
that we the people, I mean we are we are much more numbers
first of all that if we just all say no and just you know just
just stop doing what they say we are able to resist this thing.
Although it's already quite far, the the plan has has gone
incredibly, incredibly far. And we're kind of the society is
just sleepwalking into this trap where you know everything looks,
everything looks good until you're in the trap.
And then you notice Oh dear, what are we doing here?
Like we're not allowed out of our city or we're not allowed to
buy what we want or we we can't own our own house or we're not
allowed to drive to places where we want to go and if everything
is moving in that direction. But I still believe we can stop
it. Yes, this is a very necessary
and encouraging thing to say to people.
And I I think you're absolutely right in this, that that what
happened in German society was within the the German nation.
What we see happening at the moment is clearly happening to a
planned global agenda. But that means that we we
effectively have the whole population of the earth to be
waking up and doing a doing a little bit to stop what's
happening. I always come back to many hands
make light work and if we had a lot of people doing just a
little bit to wake up there fellow man, we we would be
moving quite quickly. But something is happening.
I think we we definitely see people many people have changed
they're they're maybe a little bit anxious but they are asking
questions and I find this very encouraging because people have
got to realise that something is wrong before they ever want to
do something about it. So what did you do as the as the
first thing for for the White Rose here in UK?
Did did you did you set the website up or did you print
something? How?
How did you actually kick start it?
Yeah, well, the first thing was we just.
I felt it. First of all, I was, I felt the
urgency of trying to tell people that, you know, this is not
about a virus, it's not about our health or anything.
This is some kind of dark plan. I have to admit the first three
weeks, when when it all started, when they started talking about
COVID or Corona was then still called, I wasn't sure what was
going on. I thought well maybe.
I mean it could be you know something like the Black Death
coming. You never know.
It could be all real and we might be have to we might have
to be careful and there might be people dropping dead and all
that and but it took me about 3 weeks to notice.
Oh, it's it's just it's all hyped up.
And then and I think what helped me realise that it's a hoax or
that something's completely going wrong was when I read
there's a there was a Swiss website, I think it used to be
called a Swiss propaganda, something like that.
But they changed the name later to Swiss politics or something.
And they wrote that there were not more people dying than
during the flu. That Italy, actually Norfolk,
Italy usually has a problem with with lung illnesses, lung
conditions and all of that was kind of just used to, to make it
look as if there's some kind of deadly virus, some kind of big
urgency. When I, when I saw the fact that
that there's not more people dying than during the usual flu
season, I just thought, OK, well, there's no reason to be
afraid. There's there's nothing to be
afraid of. So if there's nothing to be
afraid of, why, why are they coming up with more and more
restrictions? And that's when I felt I need to
write a newsletter. Yeah, with the with the original
white robes in mind, using the same tactics, just giving it to
people, trying to touch people in their heart, trying to reach
them in in a privately, you know just giving them a leaflet to
read on their own. I wouldn't do a big thing out of
it. And then I think it was a few
months later actually we only we set up that I need.
I needed help for the website and all that.
And we were a few people who set up the website and where we put
out articles and we made a newsletter and then people just
started to subscribe to the newsletter and it's just more
and more coming. I never imagined that would ever
happen. I just thought we'll have a
website there for people to come back if they have a leaflet.
So they could kind of come back to the website and look up maybe
more information, but there was just more and more people
subscribing to the newsletter. And we we when I say we it was
me and a few other people. We continue distributing them
the the leaflets. So we started off at a protest
in in London, but we continued doing it at home where we lived.
We went along the streets, we put them through people's doors.
Usually we tried not to be seen because at that time it was.
I mean it was as I said before, it was quite scary because if
you said anything against the narrative they could have maybe
called the police or have you arrested.
We've seen things happening like that.
So we tried to to remain discreet and we we just disputed
hundreds and hundreds of leaflets by hand.
Then we had other people who wanted to carry on wanted to
help distributing leaflets as well and I think it's it's the
leaflet thing that's how it all started off and that's just how
the White Rose in in Germany did their assistance.
So they they give out leaflets. Of course at that time there was
no Internet. They had no access to any other
media. So they so they had to use their
own writing skills that I think they they yeah, they probably
worked at nights hidden in their Cellars and typed on their
typewriter and printed it with their own printing machine and
and everything had to be done very secretly and very
cautiously. But they felt this urgency to to
wake people up and to do something against this evil
regime. And I think the admirable thing
is that they went so far to risk their life and and in the end
they did, they did die for for what they believed in.
Yes, yes, they were. They were amazingly brave and
they they paid the ultimate price for it.
But I'm going to say to you, Rosie, that you you said very
early on that you found it. Yeah, I'm going to use the word
challenging, a bit scary during the oppression of lockdown to
start to do what you did. And you've just mentioned you
know that all you were doing was putting out leaflets.
But at that stage in in the UK there was, there was already
this horrible oppression that yeah, you could go and visit a
relative and that might result in the police turning up at your
door. So what I want to say to you is
that even at that time in UK, what was happening was pretty
nasty and it took some courage for you and the other people
that joined you to do what you were doing and handing out those
leaflets. So I'm I'm delighted that you're
speaking to me today under my Gutsy Woman series, because
yeah, what you did took some, took some guts, There's no
question of it. It's funny that sometimes when I
remember two of my older daughters who distributed, they
went together on their own disputed leaflets and they told
me that somebody came running after them angrily when they as
soon as it was, you know, when they noticed they had this
leaflet put through the door, they probably wanted to react
and they opened the door and run after them and said they should
take this silly leaflet. But on the other hand, they had
somebody who ran after them and said, oh, I'm so glad you gave
me this leaflet because I thought I was all on my own.
And yeah, so there was, they were both reactions.
Oh, I remember myself, people getting angry from seeing the
leaflets. And it was, I think quite often
people from the Resistant would experience that anger from
people as soon as you confronted them with what we believed is
the truth. And when you try to wake them
up, they got angry. So it's not like they would say,
oh, I'll have a look at it and I'll maybe think about it.
They often just had an angry reaction and it was again you
could you could remind yourself of the Nazis when not the Nazis
but the people themselves for example the ones who then
betrayed or that it was there it was a housekeeper who betrayed
the the sister and brother Scholl he when he found the
leaflets being lying around in the UNI.
I think that was the last time when they distributed leaflets.
It was in Munich in the university and he picked them up
and he, I mean he didn't hide it away and keep it and think about
it. He got angry and then reported
them to the police and and even though again the brutality was
much more visible there. But people from the resistance
during COVID, during the lockdowns we experienced similar
things that people get angry and then report you to the police
and things like that for for telling the truth or for or for
you know, not wearing a mask or going in a shop without a mask.
It was it was when when we think back now it's just so crazy.
At that time you couldn't enter a shop without being afraid of
being reported for not wearing a mask.
I think that was from from September 2020 or something like
that. It became, it became mandatory
to wear a mask in shops. That's when I stopped going to
shops because I thought, I can't, I'm not going to wear a
mask. So I'm just going to have to
order my food online. And if I do go to a shop, I'm
just going to have to walk in and and be challenged to, yeah,
be challenged. Yes.
And you had the anger which came out in people which is similar
to Nazi Germany, because people did get absolutely got angry
with anybody who dared to say that the Nazi regime was wrong
or Hitler was wrong or any criticism of the government.
But the other thing that was encouraged were people were
encouraged to spy on each other and tell on each other and that
was a was also a key thing that was happening here in UK under
lockdown. And then we've we've seen these
terrible minutes of the spy bee meeting that took place.
Sorry, that's that's my dog's ears.
If you can hear that flapping noise, that's that's my dog
shaking herself. Yeah, we had the terrible spy
bee minutes, which revealed that they were using, the government
was using applied psychology through this specialist team to
make people more fearful of of the COVID-19 threat and to make
them more compliant with social distancing and lockdown.
So we we have, we have the anger between people and we also have
people being encouraged to spy and report on each other if they
if they weren't adhering to the government's so-called advice.
And then this was all sitting on a foundation of fear that
they've created and these these are absolutely attributes of
what it was like to live in Nazi Germany.
They they might have, they might have a little bit of a veneer.
I'll say respectable in inverted commas, respectable veneer
because it's here in UK, but it was exactly the same features.
Yeah. And that can't be accidental,
can it? No, yeah, it's there's so many
parallels. Also when I just recently reread
the newsletters, Sorry, the leaflets from the Mitros in
Germany, and I just discover so many parallels and it's not
over. It wasn't just in 2020, it's
still continuing. I just remember where they
cited. I think it's some kind of Greek
philosopher and he already then knew that you need to make the
people poor and you need to make so that they work all the time
and they their mind is then busy with having to get their daily
food and and so they there will be no uprising against the
regime and things like that. Very interesting parallels.
Yes, absolutely. Just just sticking on on what
what you did. So, so you started out purely
with leafleting and and again there's absolute similarities
with the UK column because we initially started by putting out
one A4 sheet printed on both sides.
That was the original piece of information.
It didn't actually come from the UK column because we called
ourselves the Devonport column at that time, which was an area
within Plymouth, but it was an A4 sheet.
We printed 500 of them and these went out and nothing happened.
And then a month later we put out another 500.
And then something interesting happened because we started to
get one or two people contacting us by usually by e-mail.
And they said, oh, you're talking about all these strange
things going on in Plymouth. Do you know this?
And do you know that? And they began to feed us with
information. And encouraged by this, we we
took a bold step and we went from an A4 sheet to an A3 sheet
folded in half. And that gave us 4 pages instead
of two. And that was the start of our
written paper growing and eventually we had enough
support. We were doing meetings as well,
so we would do talks and meetings where we would try and
raise money and eventually we had a small number of people,
most of them were retired, but they were very concerned about
what was happening in the country and they started to
donate to us. And also a local man, lovely
local man who said I think you need an office and he paid for
us to have this little office for six months.
We got a second hand table and chairs and somebody lent us a
computer and then we got a phone installed and one of the ladies
who came on board to help, lovely grandmum called Carol
Bragg. I remember her sitting looking
at the telephone and she said I wish that the telephone would
ring but it didn't. And then a month later, Carol
was looking at the telephone and saying I wish that phone had
stopped ringing. And it was.
It was absolutely amazing. The connectivity that came into
us from our start, just as you of of printing what was
essentially A leaflet, an A4 leaflet.
So it shows, doesn't it, that that in this age of of the
Internet and websites and and everything, that putting a piece
of paper out on the streets is still a very powerful thing to
do. Yeah, I think so too.
And I I think it's personal. If you get a leaflet and it's
just a bit calmer to sit down and to read it rather than sit
on the Internet and there's just an overload of information
coming in all the time. So there's maybe a chance to
reach people, yeah, when they have time to think.
And that's why we then I mean we we continued with the website
and we're still continuing with the website and there's a lot of
information that's being sent to us and some of it we publish.
But there was at a point we thought it might be good to have
a printed magazine as well just to have something what can stay
what can last because it might sound a bit some hysterical.
But we never know if the Internet is going to go off or
whatever power cuts or and then everything could be lost or or
loss of that what we kind of want people to see and read and
but if we have a printed magazine there's at least
something what stays, what people can have in on their
bookshelf or you know or pass on to other people.
So. So we've, yeah, we started with
the Freedom magazine this April, actually it's the first issues
this. Come.
Out in April, yeah. Of course you sent a copy to me
and I'm going to say thank you very much for doing that because
that's that's then prompted this conversation.
Yeah, yeah. And and you've got a lot, you've
got articles up on the website. So I'm just having a look as
we're talking. So you've got one, let's bring
cash back to life. You've got a free download book,
which is stop them. Together we will end world
control. And this is how.
And that's got 8081 authors in it, which is really impressive.
You've got some very nice White Rose badges, and then you've got
a book here, which is how to avoid digital slavery stories
and advice from 40 authors. We've got one with a wolf
surrounded by some pretty vulnerable chickens and hens and
a cockerel, and that says the big bad wolf and the syringe.
And the last one, I think that's down.
Oh no, There's two, actually. There's hope amidst a tsunami of
evil exposing the great lies. And there's the White Rose
defending freedom. So Rosie, you you've got a,
you've got a lovely selection of of material and it's quite clear
that some pretty capable writers have have got on board with what
you're trying to do. Yeah, so the yeah, so most of
the books what we offer to our readers, they're written by, we
could call them members of the White Rose.
There's there's a lot of people who just like writing and I
think a lot of them are probably a bit middle-aged or elderly
people. So.
So they still have this time and maybe ability to write and it's
yeah it's a lot of it is just made from work together.
So they've been writing their essays and we then put it
together in a book and and that's what we offer to the to
people to read. And hopefully it will help to
wake up people or at least what is also important to strengthen
those who are awake. But maybe kind of a swimming
against the tide. Yes, yeah.
No. Well, is it.
This is, this is really excellent because the important
thing is you did what you did and it is growing.
There's no question of that. And I I really like the way that
you, you're saying become a member with us and join the
White Rose family, which is a very nice way of putting it.
And the other key bit which you highlight and it's connected
back to the the Skull siblings themselves is, is that they had
a Christian faith and this was a very important thing to them.
But you'd highlighted on the website that there was there was
a Christian background to the Skull siblings and this this was
a very important thing to them. And you you've certainly
emphasised this on the website and I I see that on your top bar
you're also you've also got a button to press which is pray.
So tell tell me about the spiritual side.
Yes. So I believe that the sisters
Sophie and Hanshaw, they wouldn't have, they wouldn't
have had such a strong drive to do what they did if they if it
wouldn't have been for the the faith, the Christian faith.
And it wasn't just them, also their friends.
I think there was Christoph and Alexander.
Now they weren't necessarily a Christian from the start or or
living a faithful life. The the Sophie and Hans were
actually in the Hitler Joggen. So that's the the youth group.
What Hitler You know that the youth what was brought up to
become Nazis. They used to be in the Hitler
jugend when they were younger and they were quite opposed to
their own parents and their parents were Christians.
But over the years they then realised that the Nazi teaching
is is completely wrong and twisted and and they then focus
more on the faith, on their original faith.
And also I believe they were they grew up as Protestant
Protestant church but they were quite influenced by a Bishop
called Fongal and who was also a very brave outspoken person who
resisted the regime by preaching.
So he he would preach in church against the Nazis, and of course
that put his life at risk as well.
They were influenced by his writing, but also by Cardinal
Henry Newman, which is an English cardinal who is now
canonized. And he used to be an Anglican,
an Anglican man. He grew up in Anglican and then
I think he converted it when he was grown up to the Catholic
Church and became later Cardinal Henry Newman.
And they've been inspired by his writings and even in their
leaflets they do mention the the spiritual side.
So I can't remember the words exactly, but it's it's pretty
clear we have it in the in the in the White Rose book by the
way, the one where it says defending freedom.
We have their original leaflets translated and printed there.
So they they did mention the spiritual side of this.
And they said that things like, you know, the German population
of German people have to turn back to the Christian faith in
order to to fight back against this evil which they were
completely aware of comes from from from the devil.
Or they might have even named it that way.
And they would, they were absolutely clear about Hitler
serving some evil, evil powers. And that's only with the
Christian faith, and only with the truth in the Christian faith
could could this whole thing be turned around.
Yes, and I certainly, I certainly support the view it.
It's been very clear to me for quite a few years now that we
we're actually very much in a spiritual battle and it's
important to recognise this and it's important to understand
that that means that fighting, what is happening has to be done
in a spiritual way as well as using all the wherewithal that
we that we have on earth. This is, for me, very clearly a
spiritual thing, and I I don't know whether I'm alone but in
feeling this. But sometimes when you're
actually challenging some of this system, you can almost feel
that there's a very dark and oppressive spiritual side
pushing back at you. Yeah, I I think when you see the
whole picture and you understand that it yeah, that it's more
than just, you know, it's more than just politics or or society
issues. It's it's yeah, it's spiritual.
And it's interesting that a lot of people come out and say that
now because I think before the COVID era people wouldn't maybe
dare as much. And now since we've been so
challenged with with all these agendas and these.
Yeah yeah what's been happening in the past years.
I think people dare to speak out more and dare to go back to
where does this all origin from at all.
So it's it's also bringing some good in that sense that we kind
of think back and and and kind of contemplate what what is life
all about and what what should we decide for?
Do we decide for the good or do we are we on the side of the
good or on the side of the evil. If we're on the side of the good
we have to stand up and and kind of yeah just speak up and and
admit that there's that it is a spiritual thing.
There is God. God exists, and also demons
exist and and at one point we're all going to be judged for how
we were. So we or what we did, or so we
we can't just, we can't hideaway the fact that there's more than
just what we see on Earth. Yes.
And I think we get a clue to the importance of this by the fact
that here in the wonderful democracy, the liberal democracy
called UK, we're increasingly seeing law laws which are
designed to stop people praying. I I find this very significant
because I I ask myself the question, why are they so
frightened of people praying? Yeah, that's another thing,
isn't it, The when they try to restrict people praying in front
of abortion clinics, you know, they may be very peaceful
people. Not even, not even speaking to
anyone, but just standing there and praying.
And there was, yeah, there's, there's stories that people were
getting arrested just for praying.
So that shows that something is completely wrong in that sense,
yeah. Yes.
So how do you, how do you see the The White Rose growing are
are you now established in the way that you'd like to be?
You've got the website, your publishing material.
Have you got any other other plans or is this is this now the
the White Rose resistance and you and you're going to grow it
from here? Well, The funny thing is I I
always thought oh when the lockdowns are over, we're we're
done with this. You know this is only for during
lockdowns, but it but it just continued and as I mentioned at
the start, there's just always more to discover and people keep
sending more, more information. And when you then see the
greater picture and the climate change agenda or Agenda 2030 and
when you see all of that, you just see there's no end really
until, I don't know, until the whole system maybe gets toppled.
I don't think we have any concrete plans.
I think we're just but yeah well I always thought maybe we can
just stop it when everything's calmed down but at the moment it
just I think we're just continuing how it is.
So we've we've, we've set up the magazine and that's something we
hope people will subscribe to. And who knows, I mean if it
would be lovely, if if the website wouldn't be necessary
anymore. We'll just continue what we're
what we've done until now. As long as there's the need for
for the resistance, we're just carry on resisting.
And yeah, it would be lovely if we wouldn't.
If the website wouldn't be necessary anymore.
If the White Rose resistant group would be kind of surplus.
If if things were turned out in a way that, you know, humanity
is just free from all these dictatorships and all these
dystopian plans, then that would be lovely.
But as long as we, as long as there's there's things to fight
against, we'll just continue with this work what we've done.
Yeah, brilliant. Well, Rosie, I mean, what a
wonderful place. I think you know that's a lovely
place to end because here you are in 2024 saying that you
started your resistance with with a lot of impetus from from
what the Skoll family did in Nazi Germany and they ended
their resistance because they couldn't fight anymore because
they were executed by the their material said the resistance
will continue and here you are in UK in 2024 and you've also
ended by saying the resistance will continue which is exactly
right. I I think this is a a wonderful
place to be and I I'd like to thank you for joining me and I
certainly thank you for you've used the word dare quite a lot
but but I know that during lockdown it took a lot of guts
to actually get out there and be amongst the public and challenge
the system. So I'm going to say you are a
gutsy woman and you've you've mentioned your daughters who
were brave enough to do it as well so that's that's really
fantastic. Should we end perhaps by two
things? One is we'll have it in the
notes under this this audio clip, but your website is is an
easy one to remember because it's the whiterose.uk.
So that's one. And the other thing I'd like to
draw people's attention to is that if if you go and search
YouTube, there's quite a lot of information about Skoll Family
and the White Rose. But there's a particular film
and it's called Sophie Skoll Colon, The Final, The Final
Days. And that's one hour 55.
And I've watched it. It's very, very poignant.
But there's also some very good little documentaries that have
been done at other times, some of them in in UK and they're in
English and some of them that have been translated from
Germany. But I'm going to say to the
audience, if if you're really not aware of what these amazing
young people did in Nazi Germany, go and have a look at
those. And of course, go and have a
look at at their legacy, which is, as we've heard in the last
hour is the White Rose in UK. So Rosie, thank, thank you very
much for agreeing to talk to me. You've got the UK column
audience listening to you is. Is there anything you'd like to
say to them or ask them to do? Well, first of all, thank you
very much as well for giving this opportunity to speak well.
I I admire the UK column and I guess the people who watch and
listen to UK Column are pretty much the same people or have the
same convictions. They're convinced of the same
things like people at the the White Rose who yeah, who are
members of the White Rose. So I think together we just have
to continue our resistance and continue speaking out and doing
what our conscience says is the right thing.
I think, I think that's, I think that's absolutely right.
We're going to continue the resistance until we get to that
happy day when the bad guys have been put in their box and we can
do nicer things. Yeah.
Brilliant, Rosie. Thank.
Thank you very much for joining me.
Yeah. Thank you.
It's been great.