1 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:12,000 Hello to the UK column listeners. 2 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:15,440 I'm delighted to be back. And what's the subject today? 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:21,800 The subject is gutsy women, and I've got a lady with me who I 4 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,960 haven't known for very long, but we started a little bit of 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,400 communication over her good efforts. 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,080 And you'll hear about those in a minute. 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,960 So I'm going to welcome to the UK column A Lady Called Rosie. 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,440 Hello, Rosie, and thank you very much for joining me. 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,000 Yes, hello and thank you for having me here. 10 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:48,880 It's it's a pleasure. Now you you have been active in 11 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,360 creating an organization or name the organization. 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:58,520 It's the White Rose, UK and I first became aware of this some 13 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,120 time ago and as we'll see in the conversation, I I was very 14 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,880 interested at what you were doing because of the origins of 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,480 the White Rose. So Rosie, tell us, tell us a 16 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,120 little bit if you will, just a little bit of background to 17 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,240 yourself, as much as you're happy to, to share and and tell 18 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,320 us what the White Rose is about. Sure. 19 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:27,440 So well, it all started back in 2020. 20 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:34,160 We all know what was then when restrictions, mask wearing and 21 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,960 and all and the lockdowns and all that started. 22 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:46,480 It was me and a few others in in my family and yeah, who were 23 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,160 close to me. We just realised things aren't 24 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,760 going, they're just going wrong and it reminded me strongly of 25 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:04,880 the time during World War 2 Germany and as a teenager, which 26 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,240 is quite a while ago, I watched a film from the original White 27 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,040 Rose, so Vice said. Also, they're called in German 28 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,560 and I felt very inspired. At that time. 29 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,760 I was very touched from what they did, but I never, I never 30 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:28,000 thought it would ever, I would ever come to a situation, into a 31 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,920 situation which would be similar to theirs, although it may look 32 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:37,680 very different from the outside. So back in 2020, I mean things 33 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,480 are very relaxed now, but back then it seemed quite scary how 34 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,720 Boris Johnson introduced the lockdown and then first promise 35 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,320 it's going to be 3 weeks. After the three weeks were over, 36 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,440 it just got extended and extended further and further. 37 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,960 There were restrictions coming up which we nobody would have 38 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:04,080 dreamt of that could be ever implemented into this society, 39 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,400 like having to wear a mask to go to the shop and all these 40 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,360 things. And then, of course, quite early 41 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,640 they started promoting the vaccine, which was then still in 42 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:19,200 development, and it just rang a lot of alarm bells. 43 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:26,840 And that's when when I started to I remembered that the White 44 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,360 Rose of Germany. And I remembered how they how 45 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,240 they resisted in a in a peaceful, passive way. 46 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:40,280 So they wrote leaflets and they distributed the leaflets without 47 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,400 giving away any names, without showing who they were. 48 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,800 And I thought we have to do something similar. 49 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,720 So I wrote a leaflet. We didn't have a website or 50 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,120 anything at that time. And I went to one of the very 51 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,960 early protests in London and and me and a few others, we 52 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,720 distributed this leaflet and it was only a few minutes later 53 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,560 where we started with the website. 54 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,040 And then we got a lot of support. 55 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,240 A lot of people joined us and said oh it's so good to know 56 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,880 that you exist. It's so good because we thought 57 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,760 we were the only ones and we thought, you know, this is so 58 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,680 much craziness and they were and people were afraid and they just 59 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,000 really were glad to come across a group like we like us and and 60 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,920 and then it just just grew from then on and people subscribed to 61 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,040 our newsletters and we always kept people informed. 62 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:37,080 We we attended various protests in in London. 63 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,200 Yeah. And then after of course after a 64 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,400 few years things just calmed down and restrictions eased or 65 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,520 or went away. But when we thought, OK, it's 66 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,360 sure it's going to be over. When when you know when this 67 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,640 COVID type is over, then just all of us together, we just 68 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,400 discovered more and more things and people kept sending in 69 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,120 information of of of more things what what connected to this 70 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,680 COVID and to the agenda. And then the picture just grew, 71 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,120 it was bigger. And then we just realised that 72 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,400 we can't stop, but we we can't stop. 73 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,080 We have to continue. There's so much connected with 74 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,120 this COVID thing. There's so much what belongs to 75 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,800 the same agenda. Yeah. 76 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,520 So that's that's why we're still continuing our work basically. 77 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,440 Rosie, thank you very much for that. 78 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,920 This is extraordinary for me because lockdown for you 79 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,880 obviously made a huge, huge impression and and obviously 80 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,280 there are a lot of people now who are prepared to say my 81 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:48,280 goodness, you know, looking back I could see in some ways people 82 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:53,680 looking back seem to feel more strongly about Lockdown than 83 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,920 they did at at the time they were experiencing it. 84 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,680 But I think I understand a little bit of a how how that 85 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,160 works. But clearly for you and other 86 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,160 people around you the lockdown made a significant impact on 87 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,440 them. It was it was very these these 88 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,400 are just my words for it. But it it was very oppressive 89 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:18,920 very quickly and then we started to see strange behaviour in 90 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,280 other people around us, people who normally we we we might 91 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:25,840 consider friends or they could be family members. 92 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:30,720 They suddenly started to act differently during the lockdown 93 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,400 period and that was a big shock to me. 94 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,800 There was, there was some members of my wider family that 95 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,160 that were clearly very frightened not only of what was 96 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,360 happening in lockdown, but they were they were frightened as to 97 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:52,360 what the police might do if they broke some of the lockdown 98 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:57,200 guidance like socialising or having Sunday lunch together. 99 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:03,520 So that was the background and that that started you thinking 100 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,480 about the resistance back in Nazi Germany. 101 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,280 And when our conversation started, when I started 102 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,800 speaking, speaking to you, which was, which was only a few couple 103 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,760 of weeks ago, I immediately said, my goodness, this is 104 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,720 incredible because back in, in 2008, it was actually February 105 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:31,200 in 2008 when the UK column was printing a, you know, a written 106 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:36,240 newspaper, which we were in that time, we had a full, nearly a 107 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:42,640 full page article which was the main headline on the page was 108 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,760 the UK column Battlefield Analysis, explaining how the UK 109 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,800 is being destroyed from within. And then the picture was a black 110 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:59,880 and white picture of the three key German, young German people 111 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,240 who were involved with the White Rose resistance movement. 112 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:11,280 And our warning was prompted by the fact that that we we saw, we 113 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:16,760 felt that there was a a new fascist system creating itself 114 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,160 through the European Union. And I went looking on the 115 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,800 Internet and I was looking about oppression really. 116 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,720 And I remember that led me into some YouTube clips and the next 117 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,799 minute I also found the film about the White Rose resistance 118 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:39,679 group And just to help the audience out a little bit if I 119 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,640 if I may, I'll just read a little bit of what what we wrote 120 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,640 you. You've also got information up 121 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,600 on your website which is recognising these. 122 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,520 I'm going to call them youngsters because they were 123 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,760 very young, they were in their early 20s if I remember 124 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,240 correctly, it said. We said at the time the White 125 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,720 Rose began distributing anti government leaflets in mid 1942. 126 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,200 Now remember this was this was happening in Nazi Germany. 127 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:13,960 The main authors were Hans Skull, Alex Shamorrel and George 128 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,640 Wittenstein. They wrote 4 leaflets and 129 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,880 distributed about 100 copies of them. 130 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:25,560 Of the 135 fell into the hands of the Gestapo. 131 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,000 At about this time Sophie Skoll joined the group. 132 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,120 It is known that Hans Skoll coined the expression leaflets 133 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,880 of the White Rose, but the origin of the expression is 134 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,280 unclear. The leaflets protested against 135 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,040 the brutality and the evil of the government and against the 136 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,480 extermination of the Jews, which was becoming to become more 137 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,720 known to more people at the time. 138 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:56,800 So the student revolt which is also there with this and and 139 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:02,280 people involved were hand Skull who yes was 25, he was a medical 140 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,200 student and his sister Sophie 21. 141 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,640 And then there there was another young guy who was actually in 142 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:16,560 the German army at the time. But when they put these leaflets 143 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:22,480 out people were being executed. And the figure that I found on 144 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:27,880 information, the German White Rose website, was that over 5000 145 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:32,960 people were executed under the Nazi regime for making trivial, 146 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,760 trivial offences such as making jokes about Hitler or listening 147 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,000 to radio broadcasts from Britain. 148 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:46,640 So Rosie, just quite incredible that both of us, we came in at a 149 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,160 slightly different angle, but what we picked up on was that 150 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:56,240 there was an oppressive regime installing itself in UK and we 151 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:01,120 we both found the bravery of those young, those young German 152 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,040 people who stood up against their own government. 153 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:12,320 Yes, and I remember that I I named the first leaflet what I 154 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,280 wrote before I even knew we were going to have a website or any 155 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,080 group or whatever. I remember I I I named the first 156 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:26,040 newsletter continuation of the White Rose because they had a 157 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:33,600 friend who who wasn't executed and she I think as far as I 158 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:38,960 remember she carried on writing in the same spirit as they did 159 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:47,000 and the so I recited her when she said this the the White Rose 160 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,320 has to continue. This is a continuation of the 161 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,480 The White Rose and and back in 2020 although it's a completely 162 00:11:54,480 --> 00:12:00,040 different setting but when I read when I reread I have to say 163 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:07,160 there are leaflets from the 40s. I noticed the the the core of of 164 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,360 their whole resistance was was the same they were resisting 165 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,400 some evil power. They they named it evil power 166 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,960 and they need they wanted to wake people up and they they 167 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,760 they they said it in these words. 168 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,560 They wrote it in these words and that's exactly what we wanted to 169 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:27,080 do. We wanted to wake people up 170 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,400 because in during COVID people were asleep walking into some 171 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:37,560 some oral, how do you call it dystopia? 172 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,800 And it seemed like the regime, the regime, what was ruling in 173 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,640 England and not just England also worldwide was just would 174 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,560 just go on and go on and and do more rules. 175 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:54,040 And we didn't know where this was going to end and it looked 176 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,320 scary at that time. So kind of it was comparable. 177 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,320 I know people. There were people who didn't 178 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,720 understand our comparison. They would say, oh, how could 179 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,960 you be so that's cruel to compare it with, with the White 180 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,880 Rose of Germany. That was a completely different 181 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,920 situation. But I also wrote somewhere in 182 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,520 another leaflet or in somewhere. I remember saying that at that 183 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,120 time when the White Rose in Germany, when they were 184 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:26,040 distributing their leaflets, nobody would approve of what 185 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,800 they were doing. They would, apart from their 186 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,600 friends and those who were thinking the same way, But a lot 187 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,960 of people would say, why would you do such a thing? 188 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,440 That's that's that's not good, but you're going against the 189 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,880 regime. And they weren't popular at that 190 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,320 time. They only became heroes after 191 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,640 their death. So yeah. 192 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,680 Yes, that that's that's absolutely right. 193 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:55,280 And if you allow me, I'll just read what what you have posted 194 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,600 on your website the the White Rose UK. 195 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,040 And this is a brief history of divest Visser Rose if I've 196 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,800 pronounced that properly in German. 197 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,920 And you say here during World War 2A, German underground 198 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,160 movement called the White Rose distributed leaflets calling on 199 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,440 people to resist the Nazi regime. 200 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,880 One of their leaflets mentioned that every single human is 201 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,960 entitled to a government that guarantees the freedom of every 202 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,400 single person and the well-being of the community. 203 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,200 Every human should be able to reach their natural goal, their 204 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:38,520 earthly joy, autonomously and by their own accord. 205 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,840 The White Rose Rose spoke to people's conscience and urged 206 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,600 them to wake up from their dangerous lethargy. 207 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,960 In their 4th leaflet the members of the White Rose wrote We won't 208 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,600 be silenced. We are your bad conscience. 209 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,000 The White Rose won't leave you in peace. 210 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,240 And as you said, the, the main members of the group were 211 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:08,000 executed and that included Sophie Skull and a brother Hans 212 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,520 Skull and their friend Christoph Probst as well. 213 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:20,600 And yes, it is amazing that here we are in 2024, and both you and 214 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:25,560 I see the relevance in the in the immense bravery of the young 215 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,960 German people during that very dark period in Germany. 216 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,440 Yes. And at that time brutality was 217 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:41,760 very visible but it was not necessarily more than nowadays 218 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,760 in these in these days the brutality is is here too but 219 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,120 it's not visible. So we believe that many, many 220 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,480 people are being injured by the so-called COVID vaccine. 221 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:04,000 We have the same brutality we have you know this this bio 222 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:09,320 weapon basically killing people injuring people and making them 223 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:15,000 disabled for their for life and things like that and and it's 224 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,200 not just in one country it's global. 225 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:25,440 So there is there is a very big brutality but it's it's covered. 226 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,200 It's more masked up. We could say it's it's not as as 227 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,920 obvious as it was during Nazi times. 228 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,880 Yes, this this is a very good point that the brutality is is 229 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,400 very much there. I mean we could say that we 230 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,160 could look at the war-torn areas of the world so that we could we 231 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,960 could look at Ukraine at the moment or what's happening in 232 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:56,600 Israel and Gaza and or or Yemen and we have wars where people 233 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,120 are being killed and maimed and that's happening overtly. 234 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:07,440 But also we've got oppression of people, which is coming in very 235 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,079 slowly to the extent that many people, they sort of sense 236 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:14,880 something is wrong, but they they don't actually see it as an 237 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,520 attack on them. And I'll just add that when we 238 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:25,319 wrote that article in UK column back in 2008, Mike and myself 239 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:28,920 had been to Bournemouth to meet up with some people who were 240 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,320 very worried about what was starting to happen with removal 241 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:39,080 of liberties in UK, principally as a result of of law coming in 242 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,000 from the European Union. But while we were there, we had 243 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:48,440 the opportunity to speak to a very elderly German lady she'd 244 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,960 she'd lived through the war. She'd been bombed out of her 245 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,720 home twice in Hamburg was one of those. 246 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,880 I can't remember what the other German city was, but at the end 247 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:08,520 of the war she she formed a relationship with an English 248 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,320 soldier who was based in Germany. 249 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:15,680 And ultimately she came back to England with him and and made 250 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,480 her life here in England. But she she talked about the 251 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:26,960 fact that when the Nazi regime came in, she described how it 252 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,800 was very slow. Things came in slowly. 253 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:35,800 So local officials got more power and then they would get 254 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,600 more power and then they got uniforms to go with that power. 255 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:43,760 And then she said, then it got to the point where more and more 256 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,200 of these local officials could come into your home for a number 257 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,920 of reasons. And she, she reinforced it by 258 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:57,240 saying that the oppressive regime installed itself like the 259 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,080 drip, drip, drip of an anaesthetic. 260 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,520 And then she said, and it's happening here in this country, 261 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:10,160 and I'm just so, I'm so anxious because people can't see it. 262 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,840 And that was a narrative that really stuck with me because 263 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,040 that Lady had been through a lot and she'd seen terrible 264 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,200 suffering and devastation inside Germany. 265 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:28,080 And here she was, Or at that time there she was as a as a 266 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,520 German lady, warning us that the same things were happening in 267 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,920 UK, but so many people still do not seem to see what's 268 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,360 happening. Yeah. 269 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,760 And did you say that was back in 2008? 270 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:42,960 Yes. Yes, it was. 271 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:50,520 Yeah. So I think in in 2020 it was, 272 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,760 yeah, it became even more scary, even more obvious that that we 273 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,880 are you know step by step being LED in some some kind of. 274 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:08,000 Almost communist, communist regime and that yeah, as she 275 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,160 said, drip by drip, that's what we were afraid of. 276 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,720 That's what we noticed. That's why we felt it was so 277 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:20,360 urgent to try to wake people up because there was 1 restriction 278 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:24,760 coming after the other and it was when you when you just 279 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,080 looked at it from a distance and not just you know took it for 280 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,760 like oh this is just some coincidence. 281 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,920 This is just how they're doing it because they want the best. 282 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,960 When you took a step back and looked at it from a distance you 283 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:41,040 could see is a massive plan behind it and that we were that 284 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,920 we were slowly moving into a very dystopian society. 285 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:50,680 And that's why I think not just the White Rose or so many other 286 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:56,120 groups then started and and did a great push back luckily and we 287 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:59,880 were able to prevent then the COVID vaccine passport for 288 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,800 example. But of course those who are 289 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,760 behind this or they haven't given up and it's just 290 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:14,240 continuing this, this step by step move into some kind of very 291 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,440 controlled society. So I mean, the next thing on the 292 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:25,680 agenda is, is the climate change hoax, one has to say, which is 293 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,400 being used just to kind of get control over people. 294 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,560 And again, they're using similar tactics like during COVID. 295 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,240 They frighten people into believing there's some kind of 296 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,120 urgency. And then they also try to tempt 297 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:50,640 people to to to act as, you know, to do good, to to do the 298 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,680 right thing. It's the same with the vaccine. 299 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,560 If you take the vaccine, you're doing the good thing. 300 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,520 You're doing it for others. You're doing the right thing. 301 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,480 And same with the climate change agenda. 302 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,920 If you give up your diesel or petrol car, you're doing the 303 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,520 right thing. If you buy an electronic car, 304 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,880 you're doing the right thing. If you. 305 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,680 If you just give in to all these government restrictions, you're 306 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,520 doing the right thing. But people don't understand 307 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,840 often that it's. It's not. 308 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,120 It's not for the good, it's not for. 309 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,840 It's not for the environment. It's not for us. 310 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,520 It's not for our freedom. It's just to get more control 311 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,920 over people. And if you look even deeper into 312 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:39,160 this agenda, then you see it's all to reduce humanity to to 313 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,840 depopulate the world. And I know a few years ago I 314 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,640 wouldn't have dared to say anything like that because I 315 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,800 knew that people just think, oh, that's crazy, that can't be. 316 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,080 And I and I I didn't even imagine myself that it would be 317 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:59,800 that that bad but it's it's just when you when you just look into 318 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,480 the full agenda you just see the main goal is actually 319 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,800 depopulation And it sounds horrible but it's it's just a 320 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:13,960 fact and if we don't face this horrible fact they as those who 321 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,280 are leading this whole thing they'll just continue with their 322 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,760 plan. But but I'm positive I I believe 323 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,600 that we the people, I mean we are we are much more numbers 324 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,680 first of all that if we just all say no and just you know just 325 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,240 just stop doing what they say we are able to resist this thing. 326 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,920 Although it's already quite far, the the plan has has gone 327 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,720 incredibly, incredibly far. And we're kind of the society is 328 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:50,080 just sleepwalking into this trap where you know everything looks, 329 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,360 everything looks good until you're in the trap. 330 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:56,040 And then you notice Oh dear, what are we doing here? 331 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,080 Like we're not allowed out of our city or we're not allowed to 332 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,880 buy what we want or we we can't own our own house or we're not 333 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,880 allowed to drive to places where we want to go and if everything 334 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,560 is moving in that direction. But I still believe we can stop 335 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,720 it. Yes, this is a very necessary 336 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,040 and encouraging thing to say to people. 337 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,760 And I I think you're absolutely right in this, that that what 338 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:27,200 happened in German society was within the the German nation. 339 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,680 What we see happening at the moment is clearly happening to a 340 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:37,440 planned global agenda. But that means that we we 341 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,920 effectively have the whole population of the earth to be 342 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:48,200 waking up and doing a doing a little bit to stop what's 343 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,320 happening. I always come back to many hands 344 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:55,040 make light work and if we had a lot of people doing just a 345 00:24:55,040 --> 00:25:00,960 little bit to wake up there fellow man, we we would be 346 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,360 moving quite quickly. But something is happening. 347 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:09,000 I think we we definitely see people many people have changed 348 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,240 they're they're maybe a little bit anxious but they are asking 349 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:18,320 questions and I find this very encouraging because people have 350 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,720 got to realise that something is wrong before they ever want to 351 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,960 do something about it. So what did you do as the as the 352 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,200 first thing for for the White Rose here in UK? 353 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,080 Did did you did you set the website up or did you print 354 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:34,800 something? How? 355 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,200 How did you actually kick start it? 356 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,200 Yeah, well, the first thing was we just. 357 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,440 I felt it. First of all, I was, I felt the 358 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:49,560 urgency of trying to tell people that, you know, this is not 359 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,680 about a virus, it's not about our health or anything. 360 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:59,280 This is some kind of dark plan. I have to admit the first three 361 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,720 weeks, when when it all started, when they started talking about 362 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,040 COVID or Corona was then still called, I wasn't sure what was 363 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,600 going on. I thought well maybe. 364 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,120 I mean it could be you know something like the Black Death 365 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:12,960 coming. You never know. 366 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,840 It could be all real and we might be have to we might have 367 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,960 to be careful and there might be people dropping dead and all 368 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,760 that and but it took me about 3 weeks to notice. 369 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:26,760 Oh, it's it's just it's all hyped up. 370 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,840 And then and I think what helped me realise that it's a hoax or 371 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,120 that something's completely going wrong was when I read 372 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:38,840 there's a there was a Swiss website, I think it used to be 373 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,160 called a Swiss propaganda, something like that. 374 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,160 But they changed the name later to Swiss politics or something. 375 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,320 And they wrote that there were not more people dying than 376 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:57,200 during the flu. That Italy, actually Norfolk, 377 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,320 Italy usually has a problem with with lung illnesses, lung 378 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,080 conditions and all of that was kind of just used to, to make it 379 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,920 look as if there's some kind of deadly virus, some kind of big 380 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,040 urgency. When I, when I saw the fact that 381 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,120 that there's not more people dying than during the usual flu 382 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:22,280 season, I just thought, OK, well, there's no reason to be 383 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,080 afraid. There's there's nothing to be 384 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,640 afraid of. So if there's nothing to be 385 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,760 afraid of, why, why are they coming up with more and more 386 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:35,800 restrictions? And that's when I felt I need to 387 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,400 write a newsletter. Yeah, with the with the original 388 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:46,440 white robes in mind, using the same tactics, just giving it to 389 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,680 people, trying to touch people in their heart, trying to reach 390 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:56,080 them in in a privately, you know just giving them a leaflet to 391 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,080 read on their own. I wouldn't do a big thing out of 392 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,480 it. And then I think it was a few 393 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,360 months later actually we only we set up that I need. 394 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,320 I needed help for the website and all that. 395 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:12,760 And we were a few people who set up the website and where we put 396 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,360 out articles and we made a newsletter and then people just 397 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,120 started to subscribe to the newsletter and it's just more 398 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,360 and more coming. I never imagined that would ever 399 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:22,600 happen. I just thought we'll have a 400 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,720 website there for people to come back if they have a leaflet. 401 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,120 So they could kind of come back to the website and look up maybe 402 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,640 more information, but there was just more and more people 403 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:38,840 subscribing to the newsletter. And we we when I say we it was 404 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,080 me and a few other people. We continue distributing them 405 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,080 the the leaflets. So we started off at a protest 406 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,440 in in London, but we continued doing it at home where we lived. 407 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,320 We went along the streets, we put them through people's doors. 408 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,680 Usually we tried not to be seen because at that time it was. 409 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,080 I mean it was as I said before, it was quite scary because if 410 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,240 you said anything against the narrative they could have maybe 411 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,080 called the police or have you arrested. 412 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,720 We've seen things happening like that. 413 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,760 So we tried to to remain discreet and we we just disputed 414 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,960 hundreds and hundreds of leaflets by hand. 415 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,120 Then we had other people who wanted to carry on wanted to 416 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,280 help distributing leaflets as well and I think it's it's the 417 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,760 leaflet thing that's how it all started off and that's just how 418 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,960 the White Rose in in Germany did their assistance. 419 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,840 So they they give out leaflets. Of course at that time there was 420 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,240 no Internet. They had no access to any other 421 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,720 media. So they so they had to use their 422 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,520 own writing skills that I think they they yeah, they probably 423 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,600 worked at nights hidden in their Cellars and typed on their 424 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,760 typewriter and printed it with their own printing machine and 425 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,520 and everything had to be done very secretly and very 426 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,560 cautiously. But they felt this urgency to to 427 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,440 wake people up and to do something against this evil 428 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,240 regime. And I think the admirable thing 429 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:22,000 is that they went so far to risk their life and and in the end 430 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,560 they did, they did die for for what they believed in. 431 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,320 Yes, yes, they were. They were amazingly brave and 432 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,640 they they paid the ultimate price for it. 433 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,040 But I'm going to say to you, Rosie, that you you said very 434 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,960 early on that you found it. Yeah, I'm going to use the word 435 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:45,320 challenging, a bit scary during the oppression of lockdown to 436 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,440 start to do what you did. And you've just mentioned you 437 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,560 know that all you were doing was putting out leaflets. 438 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,240 But at that stage in in the UK there was, there was already 439 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,920 this horrible oppression that yeah, you could go and visit a 440 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,760 relative and that might result in the police turning up at your 441 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,200 door. So what I want to say to you is 442 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,360 that even at that time in UK, what was happening was pretty 443 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,040 nasty and it took some courage for you and the other people 444 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,560 that joined you to do what you were doing and handing out those 445 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,720 leaflets. So I'm I'm delighted that you're 446 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,360 speaking to me today under my Gutsy Woman series, because 447 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,840 yeah, what you did took some, took some guts, There's no 448 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:42,840 question of it. It's funny that sometimes when I 449 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,600 remember two of my older daughters who distributed, they 450 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,200 went together on their own disputed leaflets and they told 451 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,960 me that somebody came running after them angrily when they as 452 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,960 soon as it was, you know, when they noticed they had this 453 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,360 leaflet put through the door, they probably wanted to react 454 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,840 and they opened the door and run after them and said they should 455 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,400 take this silly leaflet. But on the other hand, they had 456 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,440 somebody who ran after them and said, oh, I'm so glad you gave 457 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,200 me this leaflet because I thought I was all on my own. 458 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,000 And yeah, so there was, they were both reactions. 459 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,760 Oh, I remember myself, people getting angry from seeing the 460 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,760 leaflets. And it was, I think quite often 461 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,760 people from the Resistant would experience that anger from 462 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,400 people as soon as you confronted them with what we believed is 463 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,360 the truth. And when you try to wake them 464 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,320 up, they got angry. So it's not like they would say, 465 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,440 oh, I'll have a look at it and I'll maybe think about it. 466 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,960 They often just had an angry reaction and it was again you 467 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:54,040 could you could remind yourself of the Nazis when not the Nazis 468 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,480 but the people themselves for example the ones who then 469 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,240 betrayed or that it was there it was a housekeeper who betrayed 470 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:07,720 the the sister and brother Scholl he when he found the 471 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,680 leaflets being lying around in the UNI. 472 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,920 I think that was the last time when they distributed leaflets. 473 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,040 It was in Munich in the university and he picked them up 474 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,160 and he, I mean he didn't hide it away and keep it and think about 475 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,680 it. He got angry and then reported 476 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,120 them to the police and and even though again the brutality was 477 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,960 much more visible there. But people from the resistance 478 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,720 during COVID, during the lockdowns we experienced similar 479 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,240 things that people get angry and then report you to the police 480 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,520 and things like that for for telling the truth or for or for 481 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,160 you know, not wearing a mask or going in a shop without a mask. 482 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,160 It was it was when when we think back now it's just so crazy. 483 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,240 At that time you couldn't enter a shop without being afraid of 484 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,480 being reported for not wearing a mask. 485 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,760 I think that was from from September 2020 or something like 486 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,199 that. It became, it became mandatory 487 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:14,520 to wear a mask in shops. That's when I stopped going to 488 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,760 shops because I thought, I can't, I'm not going to wear a 489 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,400 mask. So I'm just going to have to 490 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,000 order my food online. And if I do go to a shop, I'm 491 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,560 just going to have to walk in and and be challenged to, yeah, 492 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,000 be challenged. Yes. 493 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:41,880 And you had the anger which came out in people which is similar 494 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,400 to Nazi Germany, because people did get absolutely got angry 495 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,239 with anybody who dared to say that the Nazi regime was wrong 496 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,560 or Hitler was wrong or any criticism of the government. 497 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,880 But the other thing that was encouraged were people were 498 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,880 encouraged to spy on each other and tell on each other and that 499 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,680 was a was also a key thing that was happening here in UK under 500 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,960 lockdown. And then we've we've seen these 501 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:17,360 terrible minutes of the spy bee meeting that took place. 502 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,280 Sorry, that's that's my dog's ears. 503 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,160 If you can hear that flapping noise, that's that's my dog 504 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,600 shaking herself. Yeah, we had the terrible spy 505 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,440 bee minutes, which revealed that they were using, the government 506 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,000 was using applied psychology through this specialist team to 507 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:42,080 make people more fearful of of the COVID-19 threat and to make 508 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,440 them more compliant with social distancing and lockdown. 509 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,720 So we we have, we have the anger between people and we also have 510 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:58,520 people being encouraged to spy and report on each other if they 511 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:04,120 if they weren't adhering to the government's so-called advice. 512 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:10,000 And then this was all sitting on a foundation of fear that 513 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,560 they've created and these these are absolutely attributes of 514 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,160 what it was like to live in Nazi Germany. 515 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,240 They they might have, they might have a little bit of a veneer. 516 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,440 I'll say respectable in inverted commas, respectable veneer 517 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,920 because it's here in UK, but it was exactly the same features. 518 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,840 Yeah. And that can't be accidental, 519 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,440 can it? No, yeah, it's there's so many 520 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,080 parallels. Also when I just recently reread 521 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,680 the newsletters, Sorry, the leaflets from the Mitros in 522 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,040 Germany, and I just discover so many parallels and it's not 523 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,360 over. It wasn't just in 2020, it's 524 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:58,160 still continuing. I just remember where they 525 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,840 cited. I think it's some kind of Greek 526 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,880 philosopher and he already then knew that you need to make the 527 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,040 people poor and you need to make so that they work all the time 528 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,520 and they their mind is then busy with having to get their daily 529 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,640 food and and so they there will be no uprising against the 530 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,600 regime and things like that. Very interesting parallels. 531 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:32,040 Yes, absolutely. Just just sticking on on what 532 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,760 what you did. So, so you started out purely 533 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,480 with leafleting and and again there's absolute similarities 534 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,720 with the UK column because we initially started by putting out 535 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:47,920 one A4 sheet printed on both sides. 536 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,320 That was the original piece of information. 537 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,120 It didn't actually come from the UK column because we called 538 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,760 ourselves the Devonport column at that time, which was an area 539 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,360 within Plymouth, but it was an A4 sheet. 540 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:12,680 We printed 500 of them and these went out and nothing happened. 541 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,960 And then a month later we put out another 500. 542 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,760 And then something interesting happened because we started to 543 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:25,040 get one or two people contacting us by usually by e-mail. 544 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,680 And they said, oh, you're talking about all these strange 545 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,480 things going on in Plymouth. Do you know this? 546 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,000 And do you know that? And they began to feed us with 547 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,080 information. And encouraged by this, we we 548 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,080 took a bold step and we went from an A4 sheet to an A3 sheet 549 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,920 folded in half. And that gave us 4 pages instead 550 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,440 of two. And that was the start of our 551 00:38:52,960 --> 00:39:00,200 written paper growing and eventually we had enough 552 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,600 support. We were doing meetings as well, 553 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,440 so we would do talks and meetings where we would try and 554 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:11,280 raise money and eventually we had a small number of people, 555 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,440 most of them were retired, but they were very concerned about 556 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,800 what was happening in the country and they started to 557 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,400 donate to us. And also a local man, lovely 558 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,880 local man who said I think you need an office and he paid for 559 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,120 us to have this little office for six months. 560 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,840 We got a second hand table and chairs and somebody lent us a 561 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,880 computer and then we got a phone installed and one of the ladies 562 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,560 who came on board to help, lovely grandmum called Carol 563 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,480 Bragg. I remember her sitting looking 564 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,400 at the telephone and she said I wish that the telephone would 565 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:58,440 ring but it didn't. And then a month later, Carol 566 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,800 was looking at the telephone and saying I wish that phone had 567 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,960 stopped ringing. And it was. 568 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:09,040 It was absolutely amazing. The connectivity that came into 569 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:14,360 us from our start, just as you of of printing what was 570 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,800 essentially A leaflet, an A4 leaflet. 571 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,960 So it shows, doesn't it, that that in this age of of the 572 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,840 Internet and websites and and everything, that putting a piece 573 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,320 of paper out on the streets is still a very powerful thing to 574 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,880 do. Yeah, I think so too. 575 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:37,440 And I I think it's personal. If you get a leaflet and it's 576 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,200 just a bit calmer to sit down and to read it rather than sit 577 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,880 on the Internet and there's just an overload of information 578 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,320 coming in all the time. So there's maybe a chance to 579 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:54,760 reach people, yeah, when they have time to think. 580 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,440 And that's why we then I mean we we continued with the website 581 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,920 and we're still continuing with the website and there's a lot of 582 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,240 information that's being sent to us and some of it we publish. 583 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:13,680 But there was at a point we thought it might be good to have 584 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,960 a printed magazine as well just to have something what can stay 585 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:23,600 what can last because it might sound a bit some hysterical. 586 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,680 But we never know if the Internet is going to go off or 587 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,560 whatever power cuts or and then everything could be lost or or 588 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,600 loss of that what we kind of want people to see and read and 589 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,840 but if we have a printed magazine there's at least 590 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,640 something what stays, what people can have in on their 591 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,600 bookshelf or you know or pass on to other people. 592 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,680 So. So we've, yeah, we started with 593 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,000 the Freedom magazine this April, actually it's the first issues 594 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,840 this. Come. 595 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,400 Out in April, yeah. Of course you sent a copy to me 596 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,840 and I'm going to say thank you very much for doing that because 597 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,600 that's that's then prompted this conversation. 598 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,240 Yeah, yeah. And and you've got a lot, you've 599 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,200 got articles up on the website. So I'm just having a look as 600 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,600 we're talking. So you've got one, let's bring 601 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,160 cash back to life. You've got a free download book, 602 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,000 which is stop them. Together we will end world 603 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,040 control. And this is how. 604 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,320 And that's got 8081 authors in it, which is really impressive. 605 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,400 You've got some very nice White Rose badges, and then you've got 606 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,160 a book here, which is how to avoid digital slavery stories 607 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:47,760 and advice from 40 authors. We've got one with a wolf 608 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,040 surrounded by some pretty vulnerable chickens and hens and 609 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,920 a cockerel, and that says the big bad wolf and the syringe. 610 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,280 And the last one, I think that's down. 611 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,920 Oh no, There's two, actually. There's hope amidst a tsunami of 612 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,440 evil exposing the great lies. And there's the White Rose 613 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,120 defending freedom. So Rosie, you you've got a, 614 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,480 you've got a lovely selection of of material and it's quite clear 615 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,760 that some pretty capable writers have have got on board with what 616 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,480 you're trying to do. Yeah, so the yeah, so most of 617 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:31,800 the books what we offer to our readers, they're written by, we 618 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,480 could call them members of the White Rose. 619 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,360 There's there's a lot of people who just like writing and I 620 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,040 think a lot of them are probably a bit middle-aged or elderly 621 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:42,760 people. So. 622 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:50,280 So they still have this time and maybe ability to write and it's 623 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,880 yeah it's a lot of it is just made from work together. 624 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,480 So they've been writing their essays and we then put it 625 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,520 together in a book and and that's what we offer to the to 626 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:08,200 people to read. And hopefully it will help to 627 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,200 wake up people or at least what is also important to strengthen 628 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:17,680 those who are awake. But maybe kind of a swimming 629 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,720 against the tide. Yes, yeah. 630 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,560 No. Well, is it. 631 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,160 This is, this is really excellent because the important 632 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,120 thing is you did what you did and it is growing. 633 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,560 There's no question of that. And I I really like the way that 634 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,200 you, you're saying become a member with us and join the 635 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,360 White Rose family, which is a very nice way of putting it. 636 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:45,160 And the other key bit which you highlight and it's connected 637 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:52,640 back to the the Skull siblings themselves is, is that they had 638 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,440 a Christian faith and this was a very important thing to them. 639 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:02,040 But you'd highlighted on the website that there was there was 640 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:07,240 a Christian background to the Skull siblings and this this was 641 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:11,160 a very important thing to them. And you you've certainly 642 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,120 emphasised this on the website and I I see that on your top bar 643 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,880 you're also you've also got a button to press which is pray. 644 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,960 So tell tell me about the spiritual side. 645 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,440 Yes. So I believe that the sisters 646 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,400 Sophie and Hanshaw, they wouldn't have, they wouldn't 647 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,200 have had such a strong drive to do what they did if they if it 648 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,000 wouldn't have been for the the faith, the Christian faith. 649 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:44,600 And it wasn't just them, also their friends. 650 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,200 I think there was Christoph and Alexander. 651 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,520 Now they weren't necessarily a Christian from the start or or 652 00:45:54,520 --> 00:46:01,640 living a faithful life. The the Sophie and Hans were 653 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:06,200 actually in the Hitler Joggen. So that's the the youth group. 654 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,760 What Hitler You know that the youth what was brought up to 655 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,240 become Nazis. They used to be in the Hitler 656 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,480 jugend when they were younger and they were quite opposed to 657 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,320 their own parents and their parents were Christians. 658 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:28,000 But over the years they then realised that the Nazi teaching 659 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,840 is is completely wrong and twisted and and they then focus 660 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,440 more on the faith, on their original faith. 661 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:41,480 And also I believe they were they grew up as Protestant 662 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,480 Protestant church but they were quite influenced by a Bishop 663 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:53,360 called Fongal and who was also a very brave outspoken person who 664 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,520 resisted the regime by preaching. 665 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:02,520 So he he would preach in church against the Nazis, and of course 666 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,920 that put his life at risk as well. 667 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,320 They were influenced by his writing, but also by Cardinal 668 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,960 Henry Newman, which is an English cardinal who is now 669 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,720 canonized. And he used to be an Anglican, 670 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,720 an Anglican man. He grew up in Anglican and then 671 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:28,280 I think he converted it when he was grown up to the Catholic 672 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,880 Church and became later Cardinal Henry Newman. 673 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:39,040 And they've been inspired by his writings and even in their 674 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,200 leaflets they do mention the the spiritual side. 675 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,960 So I can't remember the words exactly, but it's it's pretty 676 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,560 clear we have it in the in the in the White Rose book by the 677 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,880 way, the one where it says defending freedom. 678 00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:58,400 We have their original leaflets translated and printed there. 679 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,720 So they they did mention the spiritual side of this. 680 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:08,600 And they said that things like, you know, the German population 681 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,440 of German people have to turn back to the Christian faith in 682 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:20,200 order to to fight back against this evil which they were 683 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,640 completely aware of comes from from from the devil. 684 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,080 Or they might have even named it that way. 685 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:34,000 And they would, they were absolutely clear about Hitler 686 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:42,280 serving some evil, evil powers. And that's only with the 687 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,920 Christian faith, and only with the truth in the Christian faith 688 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:52,440 could could this whole thing be turned around. 689 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:59,920 Yes, and I certainly, I certainly support the view it. 690 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,880 It's been very clear to me for quite a few years now that we 691 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:09,480 we're actually very much in a spiritual battle and it's 692 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,640 important to recognise this and it's important to understand 693 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,120 that that means that fighting, what is happening has to be done 694 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:25,880 in a spiritual way as well as using all the wherewithal that 695 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,800 we that we have on earth. This is, for me, very clearly a 696 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:35,920 spiritual thing, and I I don't know whether I'm alone but in 697 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,960 feeling this. But sometimes when you're 698 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,760 actually challenging some of this system, you can almost feel 699 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,240 that there's a very dark and oppressive spiritual side 700 00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:52,000 pushing back at you. Yeah, I I think when you see the 701 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,800 whole picture and you understand that it yeah, that it's more 702 00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:01,680 than just, you know, it's more than just politics or or society 703 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,360 issues. It's it's yeah, it's spiritual. 704 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:09,560 And it's interesting that a lot of people come out and say that 705 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,920 now because I think before the COVID era people wouldn't maybe 706 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,680 dare as much. And now since we've been so 707 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,680 challenged with with all these agendas and these. 708 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,840 Yeah yeah what's been happening in the past years. 709 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,440 I think people dare to speak out more and dare to go back to 710 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,840 where does this all origin from at all. 711 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,880 So it's it's also bringing some good in that sense that we kind 712 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:44,040 of think back and and and kind of contemplate what what is life 713 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,920 all about and what what should we decide for? 714 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,320 Do we decide for the good or do we are we on the side of the 715 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,720 good or on the side of the evil. If we're on the side of the good 716 00:50:54,720 --> 00:51:02,680 we have to stand up and and kind of yeah just speak up and and 717 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,760 admit that there's that it is a spiritual thing. 718 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,880 There is God. God exists, and also demons 719 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:15,760 exist and and at one point we're all going to be judged for how 720 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,520 we were. So we or what we did, or so we 721 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:25,560 we can't just, we can't hideaway the fact that there's more than 722 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,320 just what we see on Earth. Yes. 723 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,280 And I think we get a clue to the importance of this by the fact 724 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,840 that here in the wonderful democracy, the liberal democracy 725 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,600 called UK, we're increasingly seeing law laws which are 726 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:48,320 designed to stop people praying. I I find this very significant 727 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,600 because I I ask myself the question, why are they so 728 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,520 frightened of people praying? Yeah, that's another thing, 729 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:02,120 isn't it, The when they try to restrict people praying in front 730 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,720 of abortion clinics, you know, they may be very peaceful 731 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:08,360 people. Not even, not even speaking to 732 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,400 anyone, but just standing there and praying. 733 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,400 And there was, yeah, there's, there's stories that people were 734 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,960 getting arrested just for praying. 735 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,120 So that shows that something is completely wrong in that sense, 736 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,360 yeah. Yes. 737 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:27,440 So how do you, how do you see the The White Rose growing are 738 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,760 are you now established in the way that you'd like to be? 739 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,680 You've got the website, your publishing material. 740 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:41,120 Have you got any other other plans or is this is this now the 741 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,880 the White Rose resistance and you and you're going to grow it 742 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,160 from here? Well, The funny thing is I I 743 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,760 always thought oh when the lockdowns are over, we're we're 744 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,200 done with this. You know this is only for during 745 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:59,120 lockdowns, but it but it just continued and as I mentioned at 746 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:04,480 the start, there's just always more to discover and people keep 747 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,640 sending more, more information. And when you then see the 748 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:14,920 greater picture and the climate change agenda or Agenda 2030 and 749 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,120 when you see all of that, you just see there's no end really 750 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:23,520 until, I don't know, until the whole system maybe gets toppled. 751 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:29,160 I don't think we have any concrete plans. 752 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,480 I think we're just but yeah well I always thought maybe we can 753 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,840 just stop it when everything's calmed down but at the moment it 754 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,640 just I think we're just continuing how it is. 755 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,000 So we've we've, we've set up the magazine and that's something we 756 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:53,360 hope people will subscribe to. And who knows, I mean if it 757 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,680 would be lovely, if if the website wouldn't be necessary 758 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,400 anymore. We'll just continue what we're 759 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,800 what we've done until now. As long as there's the need for 760 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,880 for the resistance, we're just carry on resisting. 761 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,640 And yeah, it would be lovely if we wouldn't. 762 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,120 If the website wouldn't be necessary anymore. 763 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:18,000 If the White Rose resistant group would be kind of surplus. 764 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:26,560 If if things were turned out in a way that, you know, humanity 765 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:32,040 is just free from all these dictatorships and all these 766 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,400 dystopian plans, then that would be lovely. 767 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:41,520 But as long as we, as long as there's there's things to fight 768 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,080 against, we'll just continue with this work what we've done. 769 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,640 Yeah, brilliant. Well, Rosie, I mean, what a 770 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,120 wonderful place. I think you know that's a lovely 771 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:56,800 place to end because here you are in 2024 saying that you 772 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,440 started your resistance with with a lot of impetus from from 773 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:07,200 what the Skoll family did in Nazi Germany and they ended 774 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,800 their resistance because they couldn't fight anymore because 775 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:17,400 they were executed by the their material said the resistance 776 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:23,080 will continue and here you are in UK in 2024 and you've also 777 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,280 ended by saying the resistance will continue which is exactly 778 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,360 right. I I think this is a a wonderful 779 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,080 place to be and I I'd like to thank you for joining me and I 780 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,640 certainly thank you for you've used the word dare quite a lot 781 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,560 but but I know that during lockdown it took a lot of guts 782 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:48,000 to actually get out there and be amongst the public and challenge 783 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,920 the system. So I'm going to say you are a 784 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,880 gutsy woman and you've you've mentioned your daughters who 785 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,640 were brave enough to do it as well so that's that's really 786 00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:03,960 fantastic. Should we end perhaps by two 787 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,560 things? One is we'll have it in the 788 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,680 notes under this this audio clip, but your website is is an 789 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:17,120 easy one to remember because it's the whiterose.uk. 790 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,280 So that's one. And the other thing I'd like to 791 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,760 draw people's attention to is that if if you go and search 792 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:29,120 YouTube, there's quite a lot of information about Skoll Family 793 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,920 and the White Rose. But there's a particular film 794 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:38,880 and it's called Sophie Skoll Colon, The Final, The Final 795 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,240 Days. And that's one hour 55. 796 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,760 And I've watched it. It's very, very poignant. 797 00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,840 But there's also some very good little documentaries that have 798 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:53,120 been done at other times, some of them in in UK and they're in 799 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,640 English and some of them that have been translated from 800 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,000 Germany. But I'm going to say to the 801 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,640 audience, if if you're really not aware of what these amazing 802 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,400 young people did in Nazi Germany, go and have a look at 803 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,640 those. And of course, go and have a 804 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:13,920 look at at their legacy, which is, as we've heard in the last 805 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:19,120 hour is the White Rose in UK. So Rosie, thank, thank you very 806 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:23,520 much for agreeing to talk to me. You've got the UK column 807 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,720 audience listening to you is. Is there anything you'd like to 808 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,240 say to them or ask them to do? Well, first of all, thank you 809 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,760 very much as well for giving this opportunity to speak well. 810 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,720 I I admire the UK column and I guess the people who watch and 811 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:44,320 listen to UK Column are pretty much the same people or have the 812 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,640 same convictions. They're convinced of the same 813 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:53,560 things like people at the the White Rose who yeah, who are 814 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,760 members of the White Rose. So I think together we just have 815 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:04,000 to continue our resistance and continue speaking out and doing 816 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,480 what our conscience says is the right thing. 817 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,760 I think, I think that's, I think that's absolutely right. 818 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,120 We're going to continue the resistance until we get to that 819 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:19,640 happy day when the bad guys have been put in their box and we can 820 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,360 do nicer things. Yeah. 821 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,560 Brilliant, Rosie. Thank. 822 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,240 Thank you very much for joining me. 823 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,080 Yeah. Thank you. 824 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:27,840 It's been great.