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None. 
Sadie Morrell, thank you for 

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joining me in the trenches. 
Thank, thank you for having me. 

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I say trenches, obviously 
metaphorically, but there is an 

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information war. 
I mean particularly around milk.

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I mean, just about everywhere 
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drink unpasteurized milk. 
Well, not in the states. 

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We've been working on this for 
25 years. 

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So the milk is regulated by the 
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government. 
So what we've been doing is 

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working on the state level to 
liberalise the laws. 

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We have a website, realmilk.com,
and the when we started there 

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were about 30 sources of raw 
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about 5000. 
So it's very available in 

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America now. 
In other parts of the world, it 

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just depends. 
But we also list, we list 

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sources in Europe and other 
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What is your background? 
I'm an English major, of course 

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it totally qualifies me for what
I'm doing. 

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Actually, actually, actually, 
no, wait, hold on. 

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That does qualify you because I 
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the academic paradigms get, they
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which they are put That's. 
Right. 

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Well, you know, the other 
English major who's made a name 

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for himself is Joel Salatin, the
famous farmer. 

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So I like to say that neither of
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But no. 
But I'm a writer and I wrote a 

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book called Nourishing 
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and it's been quite influential.
And I've written other books 

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besides. 
But Nourishing Traditions was 

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what? 
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this war against the low fat 
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milk paradigm. 
Well, let's just start with the 

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absolute basics, because 
somebody told me recently that 

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just drinking cow's milk as a 
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You know what, Jeremy? 
I've been around a long time and

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I have yet to see a person turn 
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When we look, and of course we 
look at the work of Weston 

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Price, and the healthiest people
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had herds, and we're drinking 
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milk. 
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Scandinavia of the people who 
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They're very healthy. 
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mare's milk. 
We have people in Africa who 

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drink camel's milk all over the 
world, for thousands of years, 

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people have drunk the milk of 
various species of animals and 

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they're healthier for it because
milk is such a complete food. 

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I was in China a few months ago 
and I drank camel's milk and it 

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wasn't too bad. 
Yeah, camel's milk is saltier 

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than other milks, which I think 
is kind of interesting. 

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Yes, but it wasn't too bad. 
I won't drink it and on purpose.

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Well, cow's milk is just so 
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cows are eating grass and when 
the and when it's full fat, it's

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just, it's like an elixir. 
But then, Saddy, why is there a 

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war on unpasteurized milk? 
Well, it started back in the 

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1800s and we really didn't have 
a problem with the milk at that 

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time. 
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other cities was filthy. 
It was coming from confinement 

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dairies in the cities who and 
the cows were eating the swill 

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from whiskey production. 
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nourished. 
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the milk to make it look white. 
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children in these cities was 
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Now wasn't only the fault of the
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There were no sewers. 
There's no clean water. 

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I mean, the cities were just 
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The festering heaps of horse and
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And all of this was called the 
milk problem. 

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It was all blamed on the milk 
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to the milk. 
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cleaned up. 
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horse and they put sewers in and
they cleaned up the water and, 

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and we got refrigeration and we 
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clean milk from the countryside 
into the cities and the death 

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rate went down. 
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along as a supposed solution to 
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already been solved. 
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monopolist could see a way of 
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sale of milk by pasteurising 
because it forced the farmers to

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sell their milk to the dairy 
company by law and they could no

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longer set their price and and 
the dairy companies were the 

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ones making the profit on the 
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I'm very glad that you are in 
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Weston Price has done incredible
work over the years. 

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Well, so Weston Price. 
He died in 1948. 

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The. 
Year. 

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Well, I mean the whole 
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Oh, and the foundation? 
We set up the foundation in in 

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2000 to carry on his legacy 
because really, he's the one 

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who's shown us what kind of diet
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Yeah, he was a dentist, wasn't 
he? 

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Pardon me. 
He was a dentist, wasn't he? 

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He was a dentist and for 10 
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of the globe looking for truly 
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primitive people? 
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that had superb health, no 
cavities, broad faces, naturally

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straight teeth, robust 
physiques, ease of childbirth in

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the women and absence of chronic
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So these people don't exist 
anymore and it's certainly not 

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true of our society. 
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what were these people eating? 
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everywhere. 
Some of them did have milk, of 

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course, it was raw milk. 
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Sea Islanders, they didn't have 
milk, but they were equally 

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healthy. 
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milk made a point of eating 
bones. 

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They crushed up the bones of 
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and added the crushed bones to 
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The the the common denominator 
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they were very high in minerals 
and very high in what we call 

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the fat soluble vitamins AD and 
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And where do we get those 
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being told not to eat the eggs 
and the yolks of the eggs with 

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butter, organ meats. 
Blood was a very good source of 

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these nutrients. 
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there, but you know, a blood 
sausage is fixture in European 

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diets ever it was. 
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Easier, but I think I think I'll
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and and saturated fat. 
Well, but The thing is, The 

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thing is the steak is fine and 
if you always want to eat meat 

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with the fat, but you're not 
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vitamins from the steak, you 
need to eat liver once a week, 

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just like our ancestors did to 
get the vitamin A. 

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Yeah. 
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there is sort of ketogenic, low 
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carnivore type diet. 
Well, not the way it's practised

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today. 
And these, they don't understand

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the importance of the organ 
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And you do need carbs. 
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didn't have carbs. 
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80% of calories were from fat. 
That's a little bit hard to do, 

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but we need carbs for thyroid 
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So it's not it's it's low carb, 
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What's the name of that? 
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Swedish explorer about 100 years
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Eskimos. 
Stefansen, Stefansen. 

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Yeah, that's him. 
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Incredible results. 
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important the fat was. 
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traditional cultures kill, like 
kill the Buffalo, OK, the first 

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thing they did was eat the 
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which is 90% fat, and the 
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Then they they kept some of the 
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was just thrown away to the dogs
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So on an old Buffalo you'd have 
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was smoked or dried, preserved 
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the meat with the fat. 
So just for clarity, raw and 

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unpasteurized milk are the same 
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That's right. 
But but unpasteurized comes from

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Louis Pasteur, who hated germs. 
Yes, right. 

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Well, he was. 
He was quite a a manipulator 

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actually. 
And a fraud is, is what you're 

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wanting to say. 
Yeah. 

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Well, I don't say fraud, but he 
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determined to get his view out 
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And we is very, there's quite a 
bit of evidence that he cheated 

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on some of his studies and he 
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Yeah. 
He, he saw a lot of money in it.

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Yeah. 
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think, was Antonio Bechamp. 
Who? 

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Yeah, who I've whose work I've 
read and I've find extremely 

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persuasive. 
Who said that we have these 

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microzymes, the tiny, tiny 
little specks, and they're sort 

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of potential life forms. 
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circumstances, they will turn 
into, you know, different types 

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of bacteria. 
But now you've said that the CDC

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and the FDA consider raw milk 
the enemy. 

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But to what end? 
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from demonising it in? 
The pockets of the dairy 

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industry, the dairy industry, 
it's huge, it's very powerful. 

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The executives earn salaries in 
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are going out of business. 
And in the last 20 years they 

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have not raised the prices that 
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So the farmer's getting the same
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in World War 2 and he can't make
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He he's getting $1.50 a gallon. 
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$0.65 a gallon for the farmers 
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survive and the farms are going 
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I think it's the rate of 16 per 
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And it's just decimated the 
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America. 
So what these farmers learn or 

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realise is they can they can 
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selling raw milk and many have 
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So here in South Africa it's 
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Everything has to be 
pasteurised. 

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But you can, you can get around 
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you say look, it's it's for 
animals. 

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And then they'll sell it to you 
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Yeah, so I have a farm here in 
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dogs and cats. 
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There are a lot of cats, dogs 
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it's our best seller, you know, 
people are lined up for it. 

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And we have a number of states 
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Florida, North Carolina. 
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that loophole is definitely 
being used. 

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Now, I've been told my whole 
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you. 
Well, you've been told it's 

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dangerous and it'll kill you. 
So we have a gal who looked 

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very, very carefully at all the 
statistics. 

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And since 2000, with probably 10
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raw milk, there may have been 2 
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One of these deaths I don't 
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other death I think was due to 
something else, but they blame 

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it on raw milk. 
So they say there's been two 

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deaths, but there's been 5 or 6 
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So it's not like in pasteurised 
milk, it's completely safe 

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either. 
But what is the argument against

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raw milk? 
What is the actual argument? 

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Well. 
That it's dangerous, that it'll 

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kill you, that it's. 
No, but like, why? 

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Why what? 
Like what's in it that's going 

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to kill you? 
These bacteria in it and the 

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bacteria are dangerous and 
they'll kill you. 

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But The thing is, well, we 
produce raw milk that has no 

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bacteria in it. 
It's very possible to do it in a

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clean way, but even if it does 
have bacteria in it, they're not

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necessarily pathogenic bacteria.
And we know now that you need 

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good bacteria in the gut, and 
the bacteria in raw milk help 

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populate the gut with the good 
bacteria. 

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So it's all based on an outdated
paradigm that bacteria are bad. 

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And we now know that you can't 
live without bacteria. 

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But the the bureaucrats are 
stuck in their old beliefs, I 

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guess. 
But is it actually evidence that

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the bacteria in raw milk is 
toxic? 

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No, I mean, bacteria can turn 
toxic. 

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Let's just say the milk is 
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unsanitary conditions and the 
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could turn toxic. 
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know what you're doing when 
you're milking cows. 

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You know, not everyone is 
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farmer. 
Not, not everybody has that kind

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of personality to be very 
meticulous. 

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country that are producing 
perfectly good milk. 

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And nobody's getting sick, and 
nobody's certainly nobody's 

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dying. 
OK but the counter argument 

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might be then. 
OK, but then do people get sick 

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from pasteurised milk? 
Yes, and they do. 

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In fact we had a case, it was in
2007. 

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There were three deaths from 
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perfectly pasteurised and there 
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people sick. 
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Jeremy, which they never tell 
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foodborne illness in history 
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and it was from a dairy that was
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from. 
Pasteurising really, What 

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happened? 
And it was hundreds of thousands

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of people got sick. 
I don't know if there were any 

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deaths, but oh, they just get 
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some of the sanitary procedures 
or something. 

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But the pasteurisation did not 
protect the public. 

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The process of pasteurising milk
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nutritional value? 
Yes, and this is what we've been

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saying and we know that all the 
enzymes are killed when you 

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pasteurise milk and every 
vitamin and mineral in milk. 

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And of course, it's a very 
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enzyme that attaches to it and 
ensures complete assimilation 

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because milk is designed for a 
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digestive system that's fully 
online yet. 

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So those enzymes have to be 
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And that that's what makes milk 
so good for people with 

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compromised digestion, people 
who are, you know, have a lot of

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health problems, low energy 
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absorbed. 
Now you've got two things going 

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on here. 
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old type of pasteurisation, 
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and that's bad, but it's not 
nearly as bad as what they do 

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today, which is ultra high 
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pasteurisation. 
That is a rapid heating pass. 

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Super heated stainless steel 
plates. 

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It takes the milk to 280°F. 
That is so hot that not only is 

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it destroyed the enzymes, it's 
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the milk and that's where you 
get allergies, you get 

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anaphylactic shock. 
They've been there are 20 to 30 

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deaths per year from 
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And that's because these 
proteins are foreign proteins 

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for the body. 
And you know, there's the body 

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really doesn't have a very good 
way of dealing with them. 

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So if I'm correct, the process 
of pasteurisation it's basically

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just heating up the milk and 
then cooling it down quickly? 

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Well, it's either heating it up 
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rapidly and then cooling down. 
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the cooling that's the problem. 
Which kills everything. 

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Yeah, which really kills 
everything and that's why milk 

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drinking is associated with all 
these problems, allergies, 

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asthma, respiratory disease and 
digestive disorders. 

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And of course, the parents take 
the children off of milk. 

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They say my kids allergic to 
milk. 

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Well, they are. 
They're allergic to pasteurised 

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milk. 
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the children can tolerate raw 
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it. 
Well our kid is 17 months old 

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and he's had raw milk and he was
fine. 

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And he also had breast milk, 
right? 

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Yes, He's never actually he's 
Yeah, well, he's never had 

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formula. 
Yeah, only breast milk. 

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And he's thriving, right? 
He's never been sick. 

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Yeah, I have 5 grandchildren all
brought up in raw milk and 

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they've never been sick. 
Oh, and unvaccinated, I might 

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add. 
Yeah, same with me. 

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Unvaccinated raw milk, cod liver
oil, Those are the three. 

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That's the triumvirate for 
making sure that you have 

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healthy kids. 
And it's, you know, they're much

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healthier than I was. 
They, they don't have allergies,

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they don't have asthma, they're 
just perfectly normal, healthy 

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children. 
And that is the, the, the right 

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of a child is to be healthy like
that. 

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You just know how have to know 
how to do it. 

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And then to make matters worse, 
not only is the milk 

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pasteurised, but then they mark 
it hard, low fat or even skim 

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milk. 
Yeah, I mean, pasteurised low 

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fat milk is a poison, absolute 
poison, because it will not only

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not give you the vitamin A you 
need, but it will deplete you of

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vitamin A you're getting from 
other foods. 

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How will it do that? 
Well, when you need, when you 

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eat protein, the body releases 
vitamin A from the liver because

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you need vitamin A to process 
the protein, to assimilate the 

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protein. 
So I'm very concerned about 

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these high protein diets that 
don't have enough fat in them, 

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that don't have cod liver oil, 
where they're not eating liver, 

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they're not getting vitamin A, 
not eating butter. 

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And that's that's the danger I 
think of these carnivore diets. 

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They really don't understand how
traditional cultures ate meat. 

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They threw most of the meat away
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the organ meats. 
And I, I know it's, it's hard 

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for us because we don't have the
taste for that. 

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It's actually easier in Europe 
to do this because there's a lot

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of liver sandwiches, liver Pate,
blood sausage and all these 

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nutrient dense foods if you'll 
eat them, you know, but we don't

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have those things in the States.
So you have to try harder. 

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Yeah, that gentleman who lived 
with the Eskimos that we spoke 

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about, he only ate, I think seal
meat and and basically fish and 

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then some vegetables once here 
and there because of, you know, 

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the the conditions were not 
conducive to to, to, to plants. 

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And he was perfectly healthy, 
but he had a berries. 

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They had berries in the summer. 
Big treat. 

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But when you say seal, I mean 
the seal, of course, is a very 

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savvy animal. 
And they ate the fat, seal fat. 

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And it was also the highest food
in vitamin A that Doctor Price 

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ever tested. 
So it's very rich in vitamin A. 

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The problem is that people don't
want to eat a cute animal. 

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They don't want to eat what? 
A cute animal. 

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A cute animal. 
Yeah, I mean a seal. 

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The seal's cute. 
I. 

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Don't know I I wouldn't want to 
eat a cat or a dog but. 

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I can. 
I think I could. 

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Eat a seal. 
But you said that most of the 

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nutrients get lost in the 
pasteurising pasteurisation 

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process. 
But I mean, not only do they get

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lost, they get completely 
destroyed. 

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Well the enzymes get destroyed 
and some of the nutrients are 

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destroyed. 
B2 riboflavin is destroyed. 

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Vitamin C is completely 
destroyed. 

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Now, when you think of it, 
someone. 

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B12. 
What? 

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B12 also. 
B12B6 So some really key 

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nutrients are completely 
destroyed, others are 

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diminished. 
But let's just think of somebody

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driving camels across the 
desert. 

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The vitamin C in the milk is 
what's going to keep them from 

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getting scurvy. 
Yeah, not eating oranges. 

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Yeah, I mean it's, you're 
getting the all the vitamins 

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that were in the grass or in the
foliage that they ate. 

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We, we can't digest leaves like 
those kind of leaves, we can't 

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digest grass. 
But the animals have 3 or 4 

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stomachs and they do it for us 
and they give us this beautiful,

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delicious, I don't know, 
concoction of grass in the milk 

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with, with fat, with fat so that
you are digesting the protein. 

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Sorry but could be horseshoe 
back to the original comment 

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that well that's because we 
shouldn't be drinking milk from 

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an animal. 
Well, that if you want to, you 

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know, I would say suit yourself,
but I wouldn't. 

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I don't think there's any 
religion that tells you not to 

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eat drink. 
An. 

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Animal Why don't we drink human 
milk? 

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Well, some people do. 
You know, John D Rockefeller 

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drank human milk. 
He got it donated, or he bought 

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it and he drank raw human milk. 
He thought that was part of the 

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reason he lived so long. 
It's not a, it's not a thought 

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that I like, but it is 
nonetheless A valid question. 

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Human milk though, and sometimes
they drink human milk up to the 

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age of 5, so I mean, there's 
certainly nothing. 

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And it's highly nutritious. 
Oh my goodness. 

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Yeah. 
If the mother's eating well, 

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yeah. 
I mean, how do you, how do you 

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push back when you have a 
system, a state imposed system 

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that is against raw milk? 
We have just done it 

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persistently, quietly. 
We've never given up. 

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We've created a very strong 
demand. 

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What's interesting to me in the 
early days of this, the state 

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regulators were always coming 
after these little farms and 

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trying to shut them down or 
taking their inventory and 

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throwing it away. 
It was terribly wasteful. 

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And they stopped doing that now 
because they were we, we 

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embarrassed them. 
We, we, we got in the news, we 

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got on the Internet, we came to 
the trials and testified and 

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they, they just were very 
embarrassed by this. 

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And it's just stopped. 
All of this harassment has 

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stopped. 
Raw powdered milk for for 

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babies. 
I don't know. 

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You can't do powdered milk raw, 
I don't think, or. 

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Formula, shall we say? 
Yeah. 

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So there's several problems with
formula, but one is that the 

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milk is highly processed, 
powdered, and that destroys the 

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proteins. 
Also, they only put, there's 

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very few formulas that have 
whole milk. 

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They put skim milk in the 
formula. 

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And now if you're feeding 
formula to animals, the third 

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ingredient that's listed on the 
label is animal fat because they

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know that these animals can't 
survive or thrive without animal

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fat. 
But human babies don't get any 

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animal fat in their formula. 
They skim milk and vegetable 

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oils. 
It's and that's just because the

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skim milk is cheaper. 
If you do drink skim or low fat 

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milk, I'm guessing you need to 
counter that thing with a lot 

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more saturated fat in your diet.
Yeah, so eat a lot of butter. 

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Which begs the question, why are
you? 

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Why are you taking the butter 
out of the milk? 

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You know. 
Yes. 

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But here's the thing, the it's 
my back door. 

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The the industry has figured out
how to maximise their profit on 

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the butter fat and they don't 
make a lot of profit if they 

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just sell butter or if they sell
whole milk. 

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If they take the butter fat out 
and put it in ice cream, the 

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they make five times as much on 
the butter fat. 

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So what they want you to do is 
be on this horrible low fat diet

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all day long and by 8:00 in the 
evening you're just craving fat 

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and you go to the freezer and 
get the half gallon of ice cream

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and you eat the whole thing. 
That's what they want you to do 

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because that's where they make 
the money is an ice cream. 

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Do you think those authorities 
in government know the truth or 

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they're just being paid off? 
The accountants in the dairy 

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industry know the truth. 
It's all it's all about 

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maximising profit off of this 
this product's milk. 

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The other thing, so the things 
that make the most profit are 

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ice cream cheese and whey 
powder. 

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And whey powder is the you know 
what they do with the whey from 

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making cheese, and that's 
extremely profitable. 

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Bodybuilders love it. 
Yeah, they shouldn't be. 

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Drinking, taking it, it's, it's 
very toxic to the kidneys, but 

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it's pushed on the bodybuilders,
you know, people have schemes, 

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sales schemes and it's pushed on
these people so. 

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You might be at an advantage now
with Bobby Kennedy in his 

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position. 
Bobby drinks raw milk. 

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In fact, he's we've supplied him
with raw milk a few times. 

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Yeah. 
And yeah. 

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So do you think he's going to? 
Attack this or is the Is the 

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dairy industry too strong? 
See this is all. 

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First of all, this is regulated 
by the health departments or the

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agriculture departments in the 
individual states. 

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It's not regulated by the 
federal government. 

451
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:53,400
So all he can do is encourage it
and but there's nothing legal 

452
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,920
that he can do to kind of free 
up raw milk. 

453
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,240
And actually, Jeremy, we don't 
need to. 

454
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,160
We've really accomplished what 
we set out to accomplish. 

455
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,240
Just for example in. 
Maryland. 

456
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,000
Here where I am, I got the first
pet milk permit and now there's 

457
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,600
about four or five dozen in the 
whole state. 

458
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,000
There's raw milk everywhere now 
in Maryland. 

459
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,320
But did you say, did you say 
pet? 

460
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,600
Milk. 
Yeah, Dogs and cats. 

461
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,160
OK, so it's still not quite. 
There yet it's I mean, you still

462
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,200
have to put it under the guise 
of animals. 

463
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,760
Well. 
We haven't changed the milk. 

464
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,920
It's a loophole, there's no 
question. 

465
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,840
It's a loophole that we've taken
advantage of, but and that's 

466
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,520
because we could not get the 
cooperation of the Department of

467
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,360
Health. 
They they, you know, stymied us 

468
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,640
every every, every step of the 
way. 

469
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,360
So we tried something else. 
Does pasteurisation. 

470
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:01,000
Only occur with cow's milk. 
What about goat's milk? 

471
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,000
Well, they they can. 
Pasteurise any kind of milk. 

472
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,840
There's not a lot of goat goat 
milk consumed. 

473
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,560
I I've never seen goat milk in 
the stores. 

474
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,440
I guess. 
I guess there's a. 

475
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,840
Little bit, but yeah, they make 
goat cheese with the goat milk. 

476
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,120
I'm not a fan. 
Though I find the. 

477
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:27,760
Taste just a bit too sharp. 
Yeah, the battle against. 

478
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,440
Pasteurisation. 
I mean, how old is this? 

479
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,000
Maybe like a century. 
So for the yeah, the first. 

480
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:42,160
Mandatory pasteurisation was in 
1913 in New York City and there 

481
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,040
were people there who were in 
favour of raw milk. 

482
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,000
They thought it was healthier, 
they thought it was just a safe.

483
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,880
But the argument they used was, 
well we don't have the money to 

484
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,120
inspect all these little farms. 
If we had just the pasteurising 

485
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,720
plants, we could just inspect 
there. 

486
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,320
And that was the reason given 
for making pasteurisation 

487
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,200
mandatory. 
And I had my own inspector when 

488
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,920
we first started out. 
She said, Sally, we, we just 

489
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,760
can't afford to regulate and 
inspect all these little 

490
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,600
dairies. 
Then that's why we don't want to

491
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,240
do this. 
So it's just the, it's, I don't 

492
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,520
want to say the laziness of the 
bureaucrats, but it's, it's all 

493
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:30,200
it comes back down to money. 
And how can they afford to 

494
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,720
inspect all these small dairies 
that you would have if you were 

495
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,920
doing raw milk? 
But for the. 

496
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,800
Entirety of human existence. 
They they've been drinking raw 

497
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,640
milk. 
That's right. 

498
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,760
That's right. 
We're making cheese. 

499
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,360
Or fermenting it in some way? 
Is it safe to freeze? 

500
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,160
Raw milk, yes. 
People who can't get out to a 

501
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,840
dairy very often, we advise them
to buy what they need and freeze

502
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,760
it and the enzymes are 
maintained. 

503
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,200
What What we don't recommend is 
freeze drying because even 

504
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,600
though there's no heat involved,
there's a study that showed that

505
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,960
the proteins are just as warped 
and distorted with the freeze 

506
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:23,040
drying as with heat treatment. 
How do you? 

507
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,240
Verify the source of your of the
safety of your raw milk. 

508
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,440
Do you just have to kind of do 
do a lot of homework? 

509
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,200
Yeah. 
So the raw. 

510
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,960
Milk should be coming from a 
farmer who's milking his own 

511
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,040
cows. 
OK. 

512
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:43,880
And there are now very accurate 
tests you can do on the farm. 

513
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,360
We test every day. 
We test our milk every day and 

514
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,320
we test for what's called 
coliform, which is the benign 

515
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,360
bacteria. 
But if you have a high coliform 

516
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,840
count, you might have some 
pathogens. 

517
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,760
Well, our counts are 01/2, I 
mean. 

518
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,400
If it gets any higher. 
I know that something hasn't 

519
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,680
been cleaned and we fix it, but 
to me this is a game changer. 

520
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,480
This this coliform test because 
you can keep track of what's 

521
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,800
going on with your milk and, 
and, but I mean, OK, so let's. 

522
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,080
Just talk about the layman. 
If you are just visiting a farm,

523
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,199
I mean and you eyeballing, what 
are some of the things you 

524
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,000
should look out for? 
Well, you should look for 

525
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,880
cleanliness. 
You should look for Do they 

526
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,760
test? 
Do they clean out their parlour 

527
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,120
floor every day? 
Not a lot of farmers do, yeah. 

528
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,320
So they should and. 
Taste how? 

529
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,239
How long does it last in the 
refrigerator? 

530
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,840
It should last two weeks. 
I heard the other way around. 

531
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,120
That that if it lasts too long, 
that's not a good sign. 

532
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,280
Well, because then because it 
because then. 

533
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,400
Because then it's got additives 
potentially. 

534
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,920
Well, it should last. 
Without additives it should last

535
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,280
because it's really clean, 
right, right, right. 

536
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,440
OK. 
Right, I got you so. 

537
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,320
The way in which the cows. 
Themselves eat also does that 

538
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,280
make a difference yes so we. 
Call this a campaign for real 

539
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,760
milk. 
And by real we mean full fat, 

540
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,960
non pasteurised and pasture fed.
Grass fed. 

541
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,600
Because grass is the natural 
food for a cow. 

542
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,040
She's uniquely designed to 
digest grass. 

543
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,480
Grass and Clover so. 
Our cows are out on pasture all 

544
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,000
the time now. 
At this time of year there's no 

545
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,800
pasture, but we give them hay 
when they come in, we give them 

546
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,080
a little bit of grain and we 
give them some alfalfa pellets. 

547
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,000
And the actual milking. 
Itself, is our machines fine? 

548
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,360
Yeah, we, yes, we use. 
Machines. 

549
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,040
But as long as they're clean. 
Oh yes, we have a. 

550
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,960
Way of cleaning them. 
They get cleaned every day. 

551
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:11,440
And the cows. 
Not not only grass fed, but they

552
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,720
should be fairly free of 
antibiotics and other 

553
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,480
injections. 
Oh absolutely. 

554
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,160
And there's no. 
Need for them we, we've never 

555
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,600
used antibiotics. 
We use homoeopathic herbs and 

556
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,000
and things like that. 
But if the cow is producing very

557
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:32,160
thick milk, we take her off the 
line and we let the calves drink

558
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,560
from her. 
So I think what I'm what I'm. 

559
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,240
Yeah. 
So the picture I'm trying to 

560
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,520
paint you is it's not just the 
milk that's in the bottle, but 

561
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,600
it's the it's the it's, it's the
lead up to that that bottle 

562
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,680
well. 
We we milk into cans. 

563
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,120
I mean, there's nothing that 
touches the milk and there's no 

564
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,080
exposure to air between the the 
teeth and the can. 

565
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,680
That's it, Just goes right in. 
And then we. 

566
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,440
Put the can. 
In a kind of. 

567
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,960
Cradle and we first of all we 
philtre the milk and pour it 

568
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,800
through a philtre, and then we 
put the can in a kind of cradle 

569
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,000
and. 
Bottle that way. 

570
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,240
And then it's immediately 
chilled. 

571
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:23,560
So the exposure to air is 
possibly 10 seconds and then the

572
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,360
top goes on and then it's 
chilled. 

573
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,720
And what about heating milk That
what on the. 

574
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,800
Heating. 
Milk on the stove or in the 

575
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,640
microwave or whatever? 
Well, you shouldn't use a. 

576
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,640
Microwave. 
You know that you're trying to 

577
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,040
trap me here. 
You shouldn't use microwave 

578
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,880
because it destroys the food if 
you want to heat it. 

579
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:57,680
Like set it in a container C set
in simmering water and heat it 

580
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,360
up. 
You can go to 110° but no 

581
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,000
higher. 
And so if you're you want raw 

582
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,400
yoghurt, you don't go fast. 110 
Yeah, I'm asking that. 

583
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Actually, I mean, I was being a 
bit facetious, but with our with

584
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,960
our little boy, we still warm up
milk, but we warm it up in 

585
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,400
water. 
Yes, right, right. 

586
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,200
And it's still you can touch it,
yes. 

587
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,120
I mean, it's not, it's not hot. 
It's not hot, it's just warm. 

588
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:32,200
So if you think of Fahrenheit, 
the Fahrenheit system 0 is an 

589
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,680
extremely cold day and 100 is a 
very hot day, right? 

590
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Can you drink more raw milk than
you can pasteurised milk? 

591
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:46,040
Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

592
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,920
Yeah, you can drink raw milk 
exclusively and in fact it's 

593
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,360
called the raw milk diet or the 
milk cure. 

594
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,440
And that was done in hospitals 
back in the early part of the 

595
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,920
1900's. 
The Mayo Clinic with a very 

596
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:05,320
famous hospital today, started 
off by administering the milk 

597
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,360
cure and it was very successful.
The diet was just about four 

598
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,360
quarts of raw milk sipped slowly
throughout the day, like 1/2 a 

599
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,320
cup every every half hour or 
something. 

600
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,960
And it was very successful for 
detoxification and for 

601
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,400
nourishing, very successful with
kidney problems. 

602
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,800
Help people lose weight. 
It treated. 

603
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,840
Cancer with the raw milk cure. 
So yes, you can drink an. 

604
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,280
Exclusive milk diet. 
I think another benefit of 

605
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:45,600
pointing out the benefits of raw
milk and knowing that the shops 

606
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,360
don't want to to stock it is 
that it kind of encourages you 

607
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,880
to support local. 
You know, go and find a farmer 

608
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,840
yes. 
I mean there's a subliminal 

609
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,920
positive net benefit there 
because the farmer will be much 

610
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,960
happier with you coming direct 
to him. 

611
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,480
Yes, yes, but if you. 
Can't you know, like, let's just

612
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,960
say California, My daughter 
lives in California. 

613
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,840
You can go to a shop, a food 
store, and buy raw milk in 

614
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,160
California. 
They don't all really. 

615
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,480
Wow. 
And there are. 

616
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,720
About 13 or. 14 states in 
America where you can buy raw 

617
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,520
milk in the store so. 
It's all. 

618
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,240
It's all over the. 
Map about what's possible then 

619
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,360
for ours, the pet milk, they 
have to either come to our on 

620
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,680
farm store or we can sell it at 
farmers markets. 

621
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,800
But there's a weird kind. 
Of subliminal propaganda going 

622
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,640
on here. 
Because if they say no, no, it's

623
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,960
fine, you can buy raw milk for 
your animals. 

624
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,680
Yeah. 
What are they saying? 

625
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:49,960
What are they? 
What are they actually saying? 

626
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:50,920
They're saying, well, we don't 
care. 

627
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,280
Safe and healthy for animals. 
Yes. 

628
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,640
Yeah, well. 
The implication? 

629
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,400
Is that? 
The animals have a stronger 

630
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,320
immune system or something. 
Yeah, that's the implication. 

631
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,840
It's just ridiculous if you. 
Think about it for more than 10 

632
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,000
seconds. 
Oh yeah, the whole thing is. 

633
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,920
Ridiculous. 
But there it's been the, well, 

634
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,000
the subject of intense 
propaganda for so long that most

635
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,440
people just accept this that raw
milk is dangerous without, you 

636
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,800
know, without really thinking 
about it. 

637
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,280
OK, so the moral. 
Of the story Sally is what? 

638
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,160
Don't believe the government, 
especially when it comes to 

639
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,000
food. 
It's not just the raw milk, but 

640
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,600
you know, they've been on this 
relentless campaign against 

641
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:45,560
butter, against animal fats, 
against lard, against tallow for

642
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,080
over 100 years. 
And this is basically destroying

643
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,160
our children, destroying 
everybody really, because you 

644
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,280
absolutely need these animal 
fats. 

645
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,880
And especially for growing 
children, you, you need them for

646
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,920
normal growth. 
I mean, butter is the fat in all

647
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,720
mammalian milk for the growth 
and development of mammals. 

648
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:08,680
And we're mammals, and the idea 
that children shouldn't have 

649
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,960
butter and animal fat is. 
Very. 

650
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,880
Destructive. 
It's why we're seeing such high 

651
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,320
rates of infertility. 
It's why we're seeing children 

652
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,400
grow up and not be and be 
confused about what sex they are

653
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,200
because they haven't been able 
to make the proper hormones, 

654
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,560
because they haven't gotten the 
nutrients that you get in animal

655
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,440
fats. 
It's been a disaster. 

656
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,680
It's. 
It's been a complete disaster 

657
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,080
and thank goodness there are 
people trying to turn this 

658
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,400
around. 
You know, in the last few 

659
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,800
months, butter consumption has 
really gone up in America 

660
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,920
because of Bobby and, and the 
work of many others. 

661
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,960
Just trying to get it into 
people's heads, you know, and 

662
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,960
also, I mean, I've found. 
That cooking in butter and pig 

663
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,600
fat is so much tastier. 
Yeah, yeah. 

664
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,880
So I I don't use we. 
Don't use. 

665
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,520
We don't use. 
Any seed oils at all? 

666
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,480
Yeah, no. 
And then neither do. 

667
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,200
We we just use olive oil and 
that's a fruit oil. 

668
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,840
So coconut oil, palm oil and 
olive oil, those are fruit oils 

669
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,560
and they're much more stable 
than seed oils. 

670
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,920
And the seed oils were not in 
the human diet before 1890 when 

671
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,760
they developed the stainless 
steel roller press. 

672
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:35,120
So they're completely new to the
diet and they they create a real

673
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,720
imbalance of the types of fats 
on the cellular level and they 

674
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:42,040
don't provide the nutrients that
the body is expecting to get 

675
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,000
from the animal fats. 
I'll give you an example. 

676
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:52,760
A little boy loves sausage, so 
we'll easily give him a sausage 

677
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,560
in the morning that's all 
chopped up scrambled eggs. 

678
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,720
And And even. 
Look, we don't, we can't really 

679
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,520
buy raw milk. 
It's very difficult to find 

680
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,280
here. 
But he does get full fat cow's 

681
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:11,840
milk and he is so healthy. 
Yeah. 

682
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:12,800
Yeah. 
I mean. 

683
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:18,360
I have a grandson who's 14 
months raised on raw milk and 

684
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,360
he's just amazing meeting all 
his milestones. 

685
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,080
Never been sick. 
Perfectly normal in every way. 

686
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,000
What? 
What greater gift can you? 

687
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,520
Give your children and and to 
give you the your child that 

688
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:36,120
gift you need to think things 
through and if. 

689
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,000
Do your own research on this. 
Subject you go to realmilk.com, 

690
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,480
our website, and we have lots of
articles there, but you have to 

691
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,080
learn not to believe everything 
you hear. 

692
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:54,120
I was changed. 
In terms of my dietary 

693
00:44:54,120 --> 00:45:01,360
trajectory, oh, I don't know. 
Two in the early, early 2000s by

694
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,160
a gentleman by the name of Gary 
Taubes. 

695
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,800
Do you know? 
Oh, Gary. 

696
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,480
Yeah. 
Yeah, you. 

697
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,240
Know we had him to give a little
talk and we all went to a 

698
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,640
restaurant afterwards and nobody
ate any potatoes. 

699
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,160
And again. 
Gary, listen, meat. 

700
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:26,320
Meat is a very healthy food, but
I just think you can overdo it 

701
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,600
and if you don't get enough fat 
with the meat you're going to 

702
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,720
get in trouble. 
And also I. 

703
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:35,520
Tell you, you have a little boy,
you try raising your boy on an 

704
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,520
all meat diet. 
They're going to go out and 

705
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,600
cheat. 
They need they need some carbs. 

706
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,640
You need to make dessert for 
them every now and then. 

707
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,080
You know that the sweet things 
need to come from the parents. 

708
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,880
Can anybody? 
Honestly, in their heart of 

709
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,080
hearts tell me that there is 
anything better than bacon and 

710
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,000
eggs in the morning. 
Exactly. 

711
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,720
Exactly what a wonderful 
breakfast and bacon is a healthy

712
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:02,640
food. 
It's full of B vitamins and the 

713
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:11,320
fat and bacon is the most big 
fat is the most similar to human

714
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:16,880
fat with any type of fat. 
And it's but it's just so. 

715
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,760
Delicious if you do it in butter
or lard. 

716
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,760
And remember how they did, how 
they demonised it in the 80s. 

717
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,080
Oh yeah, yeah. 
Because they wanted to sell 

718
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,320
vegetable oils, everything was 
low fat. 

719
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,680
Yeah. 
But you really weren't eating. 

720
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,720
Low fat? 
Not if you were eating ice cream

721
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,920
and you were putting spreads on 
your toast. 

722
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,000
You know, but ice cream. 
Is full of sugar Well. 

723
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,560
Of course, horrible. 
That's not the right way to get 

724
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,600
your animal fats. 
You want to get your animal 

725
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:58,360
fats, you know, in meat and put 
on vegetables, maybe put on 

726
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,160
potatoes, bacon with your 
scrambled eggs. 

727
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:06,560
Then you won't crave sugar. 
But generally keep those. 

728
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:12,640
Carbohydrates low, yeah. 20% of 
calories I think would be a 

729
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,200
maximum. 
Because I mean also if. 

730
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,360
You are fully carnival. 
Nobody will ever invite you 

731
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,360
around to the house because I 
know you won't eat anything. 

732
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,480
Yeah, I know. 
I know it's a very boring diet. 

733
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,400
Yeah. 
It's not the way we were meant 

734
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,000
to eat. 
We're really meant to enjoy our 

735
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,360
food and and not. 
Stray too. 

736
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:39,160
Far between extremes, you. 
Know you know when Jesus? 

737
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,600
Cured people, he said. 
Go and sin no more. 

738
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,120
And that word sin is doesn't 
mean that you've done something 

739
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,440
horrible. 
The word is harmatria, which 

740
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,760
means it's an archery term which
means to miss the mark, to not 

741
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,440
be right in the centre. 
And I think people are missing 

742
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,360
the mark. 
They're either way to carnivore 

743
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:06,120
or plant based or junk food. 
None of that is where we need to

744
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,760
be. 
We need to be in the centre, 

745
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,840
centre ourselves on good 
wholesome food with plenty of 

746
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:17,880
fat, home cooked and delicious. 
Did you ever? 

747
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,880
Read the China study I've. 
Written quite a bit about the 

748
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:27,640
China study so. 
You know, I'm probably. 

749
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,400
One of the few people in the 
world who's actually looked at 

750
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,360
the printed version of the China
study. 

751
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:37,160
Because it was printed on very 
large format, like 12 by 18. 

752
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,800
You can't copy it in a copier 
and it's in libraries. 

753
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,760
This is the data that they 
collected and it's never been 

754
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:52,160
posted online and so I never. 
This data is not posted online, 

755
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,960
so you can't work with it and 
1st. 

756
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,560
Of all, it was a. 
Terrible study with lots of 

757
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,120
variables. 
It was done in very poor 

758
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,600
districts. 
It wasn't really the way most 

759
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:12,960
Chinese eat, but Mary Anning and
I actually analysed this data 

760
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,320
and I wrote an article about it 
called the China study or 

761
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,440
Chinese Diet. 
They really didn't find much of 

762
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:21,680
it. 
Just give you an example. 

763
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,320
The highest egg consumption was 
in Singapore and now that was 

764
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,440
also the place with the highest 
rate of tuberculosis. 

765
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,800
So old, what's his name? 
Author says well, egg 

766
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,800
consumption was associated with 
tuberculosis, but it's 

767
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,760
meaningless association. 
They eat more eggs in Singapore 

768
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,920
because they're wealthier and 
they have more Western influence

769
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,000
and they have higher rates of TB
because it's a very polluted 

770
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,720
industrial city. 
There's no correlation between 

771
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,600
eating eggs and getting TB. 
I'm. 

772
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,240
Trying to think of his name. 
The author. 

773
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:02,480
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

774
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,120
Colin Campbell. 
Colin Campbell there. 

775
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:04,640
There we go. 
Yeah. 

776
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,720
But what I don't understand. 
I've debated him. 

777
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,640
Oh, really? 
Yeah, on, you know, on a. 

778
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,520
Podcast. 
What I don't understand though. 

779
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,360
Is. 
I mean, I've been to China and 

780
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,960
also Hong Kong and they eat a 
lot of rice. 

781
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,320
Eat a lot of rice, but Hong. 
Kong is the highest meat eaters 

782
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,560
in the world. 
The highest meat diet in the 

783
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,920
world is in Hong Kong. 
They. 

784
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,280
Cook in. 
Duck fat and pork fat. 

785
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,160
At least they used. 
To. 

786
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,640
They're pushing the vegetable 
oils now. 

787
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,320
It's a diet that had lots of 
meat in it. 

788
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,040
But also I mean I. 
Guess you could argue their rice

789
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,600
is less processed than western 
rice. 

790
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,560
No, they put TALF. 
Not. 

791
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:52,000
Really. 
They. 

792
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:57,080
Put talf talf and powder Talf 
and my colleague Mary Annie 

793
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,080
thought this was why there was 
such high rates of stomach 

794
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,800
cancer in China. 
India also, I believe. 

795
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,360
Lots of rice, yeah. 
And stomach cancer, I think. 

796
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,400
Also the highest rates of 
diabetes I believe now in India,

797
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,840
I mean. 
They don't do this today, but in

798
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,560
the old days the rice, they, 
they mix the rice with the 

799
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,960
lentils and they fermented it, 
you know, soaked it in water at 

800
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,920
least overnight. 
And then they grounded up and 

801
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,880
they made their idlier doses and
a little pancakes with this 

802
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,800
combination of rice and lentils,
but it was fermented. 

803
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,480
So what is? 
Causing the obesity crisis. 

804
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:46,840
Just too much sugar. 
And too many carbs and low 

805
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,320
thyroid function and thyroid 
needs vitamin A and people 

806
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,840
aren't getting enough vitamin A 
the. 

807
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,600
Addictive Substances. 
That they're putting in the 

808
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:07,280
foods MSG, MSG. 
Destroys the hypothalamus. 

809
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,800
And the hypothalamus is the 
gland that submits that emits 

810
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:19,800
appetite suppressing hormones. 
There haven't there was a very 

811
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,360
interesting study they did in 
China on MSG and they this was 

812
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,000
rural Chinese families. 
They weren't eating junk food 

813
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,000
and some families put a lot of 
MSG in their food and others 

814
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000
didn't. 
You know, you can buy MSG in in 

815
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,960
little bottles in China. 
And the families that use a lot 

816
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:43,520
of MSG were definitely heavier. 
It's a very strong correlation. 

817
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,680
Would you say fats? 
More important than? 

818
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,400
Protein. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

819
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,200
I. 
Absolutely would. 

820
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:53,640
So the way we look at it, the 
diet is no more than 20% of 

821
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,480
calories as protein and even 
less when you get older. 

822
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,960
But for growing children, yes, 
and athletes, but no more than 

823
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:09,360
20% carbs, about 20 to maybe 40%
if you're an athlete or growing 

824
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,600
child. 
And then the rest fat. 

825
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:18,920
So this is a diet that's going 
to be 60 to 70% calories as fat.

826
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,040
Now this is calories. 
This is not by weight because 

827
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,400
that's much more caloric I 
drink. 

828
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,320
Ground coffee with cream? 
What about cream, by the way? 

829
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,320
We haven't spoken about that. 
Cream is a wonderful. 

830
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,680
Food. 
We we make cream on our farm and

831
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,160
real cream is hard to get, but 
yeah, it's wonderful food. 

832
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,760
It's very rich. 
Yeah, very rich. 

833
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,560
It'll offset the bad effects of 
the coffee. 

834
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:51,600
Oh, you're not a coffee fan? 
No, I do enjoy. 

835
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,040
My my ground coffee early in the
morning when the sun's coming 

836
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,640
up, though. 
Well, I'm sure you do. 

837
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,480
I'm sure you do. 
But really, your body should be 

838
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,080
able to wake up and get going 
without coffee. 

839
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,400
Just a glass of glass of raw. 
Milk. 

840
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,320
I was a coffee. 
Drinker Yeah, I drink a glass of

841
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,800
raw milk in the morning or or a 
couple of a mug of broth, 

842
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,720
chicken broth. 
But I was a very sick woman in 

843
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:23,280
about my mid about my 30s and I 
went to this holistic Dr and he 

844
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,080
had me do a foods food log. 
Of everything I ate. 

845
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,040
And he looked at it and he said,
you know you will never be well 

846
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,280
if you don't stop drinking 
coffee. 

847
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,600
And. 
So that was a challenge for me 

848
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,680
and it's the hardest thing I 
ever did in my life. 

849
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,200
It took me about a month of 
headaches but once. 

850
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,200
I got over. 
That my health just blossomed, 

851
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:57,480
all my rashes went away, my 
fatigue went away, my sometimes 

852
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,560
lack of emotional balance that 
just settled right down. 

853
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,600
It was the best thing I ever 
did. 

854
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,480
But I mean, what is it? 
Then about the coffee, is it the

855
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,520
caffeine? 
Because then what about decaf? 

856
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,200
Oh, you could probably. 
Decaf, all of this, a little bit

857
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,000
of caffeine in decaf, but to see
what the caffeine does is it 

858
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,400
it's like a hammer to your 
adrenal glands and your adrenal 

859
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:26,160
glands start pouring out 
adrenaline and cortisol and that

860
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,280
keeps you in a state of fight or
flights. 

861
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,120
And we were not designed to be 
in fight or flight all the time.

862
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,560
You need the rest and digest 
hormones and eventually your 

863
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,040
adrenal glands get tired. 
It's called adrenal fatigue and 

864
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,600
it gets harder and harder, first
of all to get into fight and 

865
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,440
flight or or to come back down 
to rest and digest. 

866
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,400
And I read something very 
interesting recently. 

867
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,320
If your body can't produce 
enough cortisol, the adrenal 

868
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,720
glands are worn out. 
You know what it does? 

869
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,640
It makes cortisol out of 
testosterone, so it lowers your.

870
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,280
Yes, it lowers. 
Your Oh no, that's not good. 

871
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,280
Yeah, yeah. 
I also find that. 

872
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,600
And it's difficult to obviously 
pinpoint this, but I'm fairly 

873
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,040
convinced that coffee gives me 
heartburn. 

874
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,040
Yes, it's. 
Possible. 

875
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,000
Yeah. 
Now the heartburn is from not 

876
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,920
having enough stomach acid so I 
don't. 

877
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,320
Know what the caffeine is? 
Doing. 

878
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:31,440
But yeah, you need to. 
So that's interesting. 

879
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,600
Eat more salt and. 
By the way, high meat diet you 

880
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,520
do need more salt. 
You're you're, you're. 

881
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,560
Heartburn. 
Is because you. 

882
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,760
Don't have enough stomach acid 
and the stomach acid is what 

883
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:52,720
tells that valve to close so the
stomach acid doesn't come up 

884
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:55,120
your oesophagus. 
But why do doctors? 

885
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,960
Say you've got too much stomach 
acid yeah, they're they're wrong

886
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,280
They. 
Just don't understand it. 

887
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,040
It's not enough stomach acid. 
But then how does an antacid? 

888
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:10,320
Work well it. 
Lowers your stomach acid Most 

889
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,080
people still get heartburn and 
because this has to take. 

890
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,640
Them all the time, those those 
drugs. 

891
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,680
Have terrible side effects. 
For one thing, they have a lot 

892
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:23,520
of aluminium in them. 
Yeah, well, I, I took for about 

893
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,520
15 years until I stopped in 
20/20/20, I think. 

894
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,080
Proton pump inhibitors. 
Oh yeah, they're terrible. 

895
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,160
Drugs, omeprazole I think. 
Was was the main 1? 

896
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:36,600
So what? 
You can do to eat. 

897
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,720
More salt because you make. 
Hydrochloric. 

898
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,000
Acid out of the chlorine in 
salt, but you can also take a 

899
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,160
bathing hydrochloric acid 
supplement. 

900
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,600
I've got a couple of my children
on those. 

901
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:53,560
I have three out of four of my 
children are, you know, driven, 

902
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,760
ambitious, and I have one child 
who's very relaxed. 

903
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,720
They, he doesn't need any of 
those things. 

904
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,720
Hydrochloric acid. 
I I've seen, I've seen those 

905
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:07,880
pills. 
You can take those. 

906
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,720
I don't like the idea of taking 
a pill though. 

907
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,840
Well, I mean, it's better than. 
Protein pump inhibitors, yeah, 

908
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:14,800
for sure. 
But I. 

909
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,480
Mean just normal salt, putting 
more salt in your food. 

910
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,720
Yes, that's where I'd. 
Start and then if that doesn't 

911
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,520
work, then I would take a 
hydrochloric acid. 

912
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:24,960
Eat butter. 
That's what I always say. 

913
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,960
Eat butter. 
It's the healthiest fat on the 

914
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,920
planet. 
It's got so many good things in 

915
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:30,920
it. 
You know, one of the things in 

916
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,480
butter is something called a 
rachidonic acid. 

917
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,440
And what do we do with 
arachidonic acid? 

918
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,720
We do a lot of things, but one 
of the things we do with it is 

919
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,080
we make our own endogenous 
cannabinoids. 

920
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:47,640
Our bodies are designed to have 
marijuana being produced all the

921
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,840
time. 
We have receptors for this, and 

922
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,400
this makes us relaxed but 
motivated. 

923
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,560
That's what you want. 
You want to be motivated but not

924
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,760
hyper. 
You want to be relaxed and 

925
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,280
motivated. 
And that's what we get from the 

926
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,080
arachidonic acid in animal fats,
especially butter. 

927
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,360
Butter is also a unique source 
of something called butyric 

928
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,080
acid, which is very important 
for colon health and for 

929
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,920
digestion. 
If it's grass fed, butter it. 

930
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,520
Will have conjugated linoleic 
acid in it, which is the 

931
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,520
strongest anti cancerous 
substance it's ever been tested.

932
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,480
It really protects you against 
cancer. 

933
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,560
So there's just as many 
wonderful things in butter that 

934
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,400
we can't get elsewhere. 
And to me that that if you don't

935
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:37,080
do anything else, eat butter. 
Butter is better. 

936
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,480
Butter is better. 
Before. 

937
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,360
Any accusations come your way, 
you're not receiving any kind of

938
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,280
funding from the meat industry 
and the Weston A Price. 

939
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,360
Foundation doesn't receive that 
kind of funding and I don't get 

940
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,720
any salary for running the 
Weston A Price Foundation. 

941
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:58,240
I would vector your listeners to
our website, westonaprice.org 

942
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,800
and hopefully they'll become 
members and receive our 

943
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,760
quarterly journal, which is very
popular, become a part of our 

944
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,720
family. 
We also have realmilk.com for 

945
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,160
finding raw milk. 
I'm not sure there's any 

946
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:17,320
listings for South Africa, I'm 
afraid, but I know that there 

947
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,360
are raw milk farms in Africa, 
maybe not in South Africa. 

948
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,080
No, no, we've got them. 
We've got them, yeah. 

949
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,040
We've got them that you just. 
Have to, you have to fight. 

950
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:27,480
You have to fight for the animal
label. 

951
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,400
That's that's how it works, 
Yeah. 

952
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:30,800
Well then. 
That's fine. 

953
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:37,320
But yeah, and my website, 
isnourishingtraditions.com, I 

954
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,080
haven't posted it in a long time
because I'm working on a book, 

955
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,360
but there's a lot of interesting
stuff there. 

956
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,640
I. 
Will also say that Western Price

957
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,640
website changed my views on 
polio back in the day. 

958
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:55,360
Interesting, interesting. 
Yes, polio was caused by lead 

959
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,720
arsenate and DDT. 
Yeah, pesticides. 

960
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,400
They're both nerve toxins. 
Yeah, there was no virus. 

961
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,880
There's no virus. 
And the vaccine didn't change 

962
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:06,960
anything. 
What changed? 

963
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,440
It was they were banned. 
And then so they started selling

964
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,480
these pesticides in places like 
India where they kept having 

965
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,680
polio, you know? 
And it's it's that. 

966
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,680
Article that I found on the 
Western Price website that led 

967
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,400
me to a book called The Moth in 
the Iron Lung. 

968
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,680
Yes, yes. 
By Forrest Moretti, and he's 

969
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,520
just written a book on raw milk,
by the way. 

970
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,600
Ah OK, I must contact him. 
Yeah. 

971
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:35,560
Yeah, he'd be a good one to 
interview. 

972
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,120
Yeah, I have spoken to him. 
Before he's very quiet though. 

973
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,520
Yes, he's. 
He's a. 

974
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,800
He's a he's. 
Like a he's a hermit. 

975
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,160
OK. 
Sally Morrell, it's been an 

976
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,160
absolute pleasure. 
Thank you for joining me in the 

977
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:52,680
trenches for having me, Jeremy.