1 00:00:08,820 --> 00:00:12,660 Good afternoon, it's Friday the 23rd of January 2026, just after 2 00:00:12,660 --> 00:00:14,460 1:00. Welcome to UK column News. 3 00:00:14,620 --> 00:00:17,020 I'm your host, Mike Robinson, my Co host in the studio today, 4 00:00:17,020 --> 00:00:18,540 Patrick Henickson welcomes the program. 5 00:00:18,540 --> 00:00:19,940 Patrick. Great to be with you, Mike. 6 00:00:20,460 --> 00:00:23,220 And we'll be joined today once again by Basil Valentine. 7 00:00:23,220 --> 00:00:25,460 Now later in the program, we're going to be covering the latest 8 00:00:25,460 --> 00:00:29,500 on the Holocaust Memorial, local elections, more from Davos, 9 00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:33,300 including Trump's Board of Peace and the situation with ICE in 10 00:00:33,300 --> 00:00:35,640 the United States. But we're going to begin today 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,240 with the NHS and Palantir Patrick. 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,400 Well, this is a really important story for for people in the UK 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,560 and I think we are going to be able to lay out the facts here. 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,640 And I want to get comment from from both you and Basil 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,120 Valentine on this. But the NHS and Palantir, this 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,480 is a relationship that is now inextricably linked and we're 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,080 going to point to an excellent report here by an independent 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,960 media called the People's Dispatch. 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:07,080 The British government pressures NHS institutions to adopt the 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,120 quote Palantir plan and it's getting a lot of pushback from 21 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,600 independent advocates, civil liberties people, people 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,400 concerned with rights and using people's data. 23 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,040 And what's going to happen to that data? 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,840 The dangers of which of allowing Palantir to access all NHS data 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,360 And Keir * what, what is his position on this? 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,840 What is the Starmer government's position on this? 27 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,000 Let's look at a couple of takeaways from this issue right 28 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,920 here. First of all, the government 29 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,400 officials have attempted to reassure patients and staff that 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,040 safeguards would prevent misuse of NHS data, claiming that data 31 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:52,040 would be anonymized or pseudo. This is a tongue twister right 32 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,880 there, however, that such assurances can be misleaded. 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,160 The nature of health data is that it's so personal that it's 34 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,000 actually very difficult to fully anonymize. 35 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,240 And we'll go on here. The analysis continues 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,640 Palantir's business strategy, offering new users initial 37 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:14,880 access at minimal cost. Users were talking about 38 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,000 governments and institutions here, then raises the prices 39 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,520 while locking them into dependence by retaining 40 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,720 intellectual property rights and limiting compatibility with 41 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,240 other systems. Government and public services 42 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,320 are a favorite target under the strategy. 43 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,240 Mike that can only be described as rent seeking. 44 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,600 Rent seeking. Now I want to bring Basil Valley 45 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,440 Valentine on for this. Basil, this is a incredible 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,680 story. This issue seems to have 47 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,360 advanced down the road and a lot of people just aren't even aware 48 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,680 that this has already happened. Give us your your thoughts on 49 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,240 this important story. Yes, thank you, Patrick. 50 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,120 Well, this contract was initially awarded by the 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:04,560 Conservative government in 2023, although Palantia is also known 52 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,080 to have close ties to the Labour Party, and it's been reported 53 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,680 that they hired Peter Mandelson to lobby the Labour government 54 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,240 to help it win more government contracts. 55 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:18,840 This particular contract is up for renewal in February of next 56 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,200 year. And last year, in 2025, the 57 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,520 British Medical Association passed a formal resolution 58 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,720 calling for the cancellation of the contract. 59 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,680 The BMA of course, the organization that represents 60 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,600 British doctors. The resolution said the 61 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,360 involvement in Palantir in the NHS threatens to undermine 62 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:42,720 public trust in NHS data systems due to a lack of transparency in 63 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,040 how the data will be stored and processed, a track record of 64 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,720 creating discriminatory policing software in the US. 65 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,760 That of course is Palantir's other speciality and close links 66 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,240 to AUS government, which shows little regard for international 67 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,680 law. The British doctors, they're 68 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,160 making a sideways reference to Palantir's involvement in the 69 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,200 Gaza genocide. Now I'm pleased to say there is 70 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,800 increasing push back here in the UK against it. 71 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:18,200 Zach Polanski wrote to Alex Karp of CEO of Palantir earlier this 72 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,120 week putting the company on notice and saying that should 73 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,600 the Greens form any part of a future British government, they 74 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,400 would be terminating the contract forthwith. 75 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,960 And meanwhile, there's resistance from within side the 76 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,840 NH chess. Although the government are 77 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,120 trying to force this down everybody's throats, it does 78 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,920 require the cooperation of patients and staff and that 79 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,800 cooperation is being withheld. Duncan McCann of a good law 80 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,880 project, Stretch the patients, healthcare workers and policy 81 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,760 Lakers. We must understand that this 82 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,360 deal has real impacts on NHS functioning. 83 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:55,760 It's not just esoteric concerns. So if we choose to opt out then 84 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,640 I hope and believe we can. But why is the British 85 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,840 government so dead set on working with Palantir? 86 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,280 There are dozens of companies that provide the same services. 87 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,360 Why pick Palantir? That's, that's a good question, 88 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,360 Basil, but but I want to put this to you as well because it's 89 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,880 at the end of the day, Palantir, a US based company with close 90 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,320 ties to Israel. Other data, other similar types 91 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,120 of companies exist, of course. But none of this would have been 92 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:31,760 possible if if the UK Parliament had not passed the Data Use and 93 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,120 Access Bill as the Data Use and Access Act, because that was the 94 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,960 legislation which amended the data protection legislation to 95 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:43,560 allow this data to be exported. And well, the UK column, amongst 96 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,000 others, were highlighting the dangers of this right the way 97 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,800 through its process through Parliament. 98 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,960 Nobody seemed to notice. So what is it? 99 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,720 What actually does it take to get people to notice this stuff? 100 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,040 And, you know, it's at this point it's already too late 101 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,600 because that legislation is on the statute books, as it were. 102 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,400 Well, you make a very good point, Mike. 103 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,760 There's so much of this that goes on behind closed doors in 104 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,720 the corridors of Whitehall, but I just want to make reference as 105 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:19,040 well to the sort of tangential situation with the Home Office. 106 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,600 Shabana Mahmoud, Panopticon of surveillance This is a white 107 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,440 paper on policing expected next week, which will dramatically 108 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,360 expand the use of artificial intelligence with the aim of 109 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,040 keeping the eyes of the state on offenders at all times. 110 00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:38,760 Police could soon be stopping criminals before they even 111 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,920 commit offences, and the sweeping reforms to be unveiled 112 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,760 next week. Now the reason I mention it is 113 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,800 because it's all part of this privatisation of data and it's 114 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,720 subsequent potential for misuse by the authorities. 115 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,240 You never know something in your NHS record might identify you as 116 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,480 a potential criminal. The that then ends up with you 117 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,600 being arrested before you've committed any crime. 118 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,280 This is Minority Report. And Patrick, the other question 119 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:13,440 is, will it will it remain with crime or will it be, will these 120 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,760 people of interest, let's call them, include people that are 121 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,080 speaking out in ways that government doesn't like? 122 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,000 Well, there's that, Mike, but not, not just the targeting 123 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,440 aspect, which becomes incredibly easy with this system, but in 124 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,400 what I said at the digital ID protest a couple of weeks ago 125 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,000 before Christmas, I said that it's already too late. 126 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,560 The data sets are already being shared across departments. 127 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,560 It's it's it's already happened. The only thing that hasn't been 128 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,240 implemented is the front end in our interaction officially with 129 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,520 it via the digital ID for instance, but that system is 130 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,000 already constructed. The back end is already done. 131 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,400 The data is already ubiquitous and who knows who has access to 132 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,040 it. It could be being processed in 133 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,200 U.S. data centers certainly would be, you know, US cloud 134 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,400 power that's going to drive this with with Palantir. 135 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:04,560 That's absolutely the case, yes. So is this is just rent seeking, 136 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,440 really just incredibly entrapment, corporate entrapment 137 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,960 and rent seeking because as it said, it gets you hooked on it 138 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,920 dependent. And this is what's happened in 139 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,360 the US. This is that that's their 140 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,640 business model. It's a predatory, very 141 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,440 manipulative, manipulative business model. 142 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,920 And they'll they'll have you in perpetuity. 143 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,560 It's impossible to migrate out of that system once you once you 144 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,960 start, turn the key and start that down that road. 145 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,560 Yeah. When you say that it's not 146 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,880 technically impossible, it is absolutely financially 147 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,600 impossible because once you're stuck in that, it is extremely 148 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,880 expensive to try to get out of it, take a very long time. 149 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,880 In the meantime, of course that you have to continue the service 150 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,560 with that company and and they're they're not going to 151 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:49,160 cooperate with, with the migration process either. 152 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,240 So it it is, you know, very, very difficult. 153 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,600 And politics are involved and money is involved in the back 154 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,760 end. Now there's a petition which 155 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,160 we'll bring up on screen right now. 156 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,720 This is a petition which was created by Jemma Smith in the UK 157 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:09,400 and it's about introducing an NHS data opt out and requiring A 158 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,120 consultation for system expansion. 159 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,760 So introducing a clear national opt out for your NHS data which 160 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,680 is being processed on the Federated data platform, as well 161 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:24,880 as the national data integration tenant, the ND IT. 162 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,800 So have a look at this. We've got the links to this in 163 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,960 the show description. It doesn't have a lot of 164 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,320 signatures now, but it I've seen the argument for this as well as 165 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,880 by the creator of this and it seems to make sense. 166 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,320 I mean, these are things that are just not even available 167 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:42,080 through this whole process. They've completely might bypass 168 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,520 the public at every turn. And this is just one of a number 169 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,080 of efforts here to try to claw back some accountability or some 170 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,680 data sovereignty terms of the individual. 171 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,760 I think Mike, this is just paving the way for the 172 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:01,240 privatization or the automation of the NHS, whereby AI will be 173 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,920 your doctor in the future and your access to actual real 174 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,480 people in the system will be severely restricted 100%. 175 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,200 Absolutely, 100%. But I think I think if there's 176 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,880 going to be some kind of data opt out, it can't be left as a 177 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,920 matter of trust. It's got to have a statutory 178 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,240 basis and and some kind of legal accountability in the event that 179 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,960 perhaps you take the opt out box and that gets ignored. 180 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,760 Because at the end of the day, do we trust any of these people 181 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,640 to to absolutely actually adhere to any wish to opt out? 182 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,640 I don't. Is that a trick question? 183 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,160 Well. Indeed, yeah. 184 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,640 OK, well, we move on. We shall now let's move on then 185 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,800 to the Holocaust Memorial Bill. Now it's received. 186 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,800 It has now received royal assent, which the UK government 187 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,600 says helps pave the way for a memorial and a Learning Center 188 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,480 in Victoria Tower Gardens. Now, this has been extremely 189 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,040 controversial, as Charles in particular has been reporting on 190 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,080 for quite some time now. This was done, they say, just in 191 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,840 time for Holocaust Memorial Day, which is on the 27th of January. 192 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,800 And they're saying that once built, the memorial will stand 193 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,040 at the heart of our democracy. That's their words. 194 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,400 It's going to stand at the heart of our democracy. 195 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,440 Now. The bill was first introduced in 196 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,960 2023 and it recommitted that the government, it was, it was a 197 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,160 recommitment by the by the Starmer regime from something 198 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,880 that the previous Tories government had decided to to run 199 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,200 with. It removes a legal blockage 200 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:39,160 caused by historic legislation which was preventing this being 201 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,800 built in Victoria Tower Gardens because of of planning 202 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,040 permission limitations. So those planning permission 203 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,560 limitations have been removed. So let's just have a look at 204 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:51,880 what Keir Starmer had to say before we get some comments here 205 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,720 from from Patrick and and Basil. He said we must do everything 206 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,640 possible to advance Holocaust education while we still have 207 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,400 survivors able to guide us, located at the heart of our 208 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,240 democracy. So he repeated that again. 209 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,880 It will strengthen our national commitment to challenge 210 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,480 prejudice wherever it appears and defend the values that bind 211 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,680 us together. Does it do those things? 212 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:20,280 I mean, no, irony is an irony proof zone we're going into 213 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,120 here. Well exactly Basil, what are 214 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,640 your thoughts on this? Because this has been highly 215 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,000 controversial and quite a number of people don't want it, bearing 216 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,960 in mind we already have a Holocaust Memorial in the 217 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,120 country. Well, I take it he's referring 218 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,720 to the Gaza Holocaust, and that's what this memorial is 219 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,480 for, surely? Yeah. 220 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,880 Well, that's that is a good question. 221 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,640 I'll just. That's a good idea by Basil. 222 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,720 Maybe there should be two side by side. 223 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,080 I would support that. We have a memorial for the 224 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,880 tragedy and the the genocide in Gaza and a Holocaust Memorial. 225 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,800 That's fair. And then people can learn about 226 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,720 both and learn the lessons from history from both tragedies. 227 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,040 What do you think? Well, you know, the mantra is 228 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,120 never again. But as number of Israeli 229 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,960 spokespersons and associated assorted talking heads have 230 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,080 said, as far as they're concerned, it's never again. 231 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,360 Only for them, but not for thee, you know. 232 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,440 So it's the most appalling double standards being exhibited 233 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,120 here by Starmer, those utterly weasel words, while he himself 234 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,800 has been not just complicit but, as we know through the spy 235 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:36,080 flights over Gaza, actively involved in a genocide. 236 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,040 I mean, we'll come on later to the moral atavism of Trump. 237 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,360 Starmer is no better. Yeah. 238 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,600 And not only that, Mike, the the whole Elbit Systems controversy, 239 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:50,760 I mean, the government could have stepped in at any point, 240 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,680 absolutely, and just restricted arms sales and that type of 241 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:58,400 activity, while the case is in the ICC and the ICJI mean most 242 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,120 people would look at that as a no brainer, especially with the 243 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,000 Prime Minister that has a background as a human rights 244 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,000 lawyer as well. That's the shocking part about 245 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,680 it. Well, yes, but he's got other, 246 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,000 other loyalties, let's put it that way. 247 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:16,080 But let's just bring this on screen quickly because as I 248 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,240 said, there has been some pushback against this and the 249 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,960 main campaign as far as I know is St. 250 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,680 Victoria, Victoria Tower Gardens, preventing building in 251 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,240 this precious London park. The details of this campaign 252 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,120 group will be in the show notes as well. 253 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,880 So go and have a look at that if you want to find out more. 254 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,760 OK, let's move on then to local elections. 255 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,120 And of course the UK government has confirmed now that it's 256 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,120 going to bring forward legislation to postpone 257 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,120 elections for 29 councils. So if we just bring this on 258 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,120 screen, this this for 29 councils have provided 259 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,880 sufficient evidence on how postponement would would release 260 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,080 capacity to help deliver local government reorganization. 261 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,000 That's how they they were talking about it. 262 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:08,000 So 202429 government, sorry, 29 local authorities are postponing 263 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:13,800 elections, 34 councils are going to go ahead with elections and 264 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,160 that means, according to the government, they're very pleased 265 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,480 for us all to know that that means a majority of local 266 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,240 elections will go ahead as planned. 267 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,040 That should make us all feel a lot better. 268 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,880 Now what they say is that where elections are postponed, 269 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,280 existing councillors will have their terms extended. 270 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,040 And they're saying that elections to the new unitary 271 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,320 councils are expected to take place in May 2027, with the new 272 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,640 councils expected to be up and running in April 2028. 273 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,600 But this was a bit, Basil, I really want to get your thoughts 274 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,400 on this because this was a bit that almost made me fall off my 275 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,480 chair because I'm going to quote what they said here. 276 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,600 They said these decisions follow precedent between 2019 and 2022. 277 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,400 The previous government postponed local local council 278 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,120 elections to protect local government reorganization work. 279 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,880 So postponement then, as now, they said, is to enable focused 280 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,640 work on implementing proposals. Now that had me in stitches 281 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,240 because this here's a man who is Prime Minister on the basis of 282 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,280 campaigning on the idea of change, that he was going to do 283 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,320 something different to the Tory government. 284 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,960 And here we are with him, actually, without a sense of a 285 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,920 thread of irony, using the Tory government as president for this 286 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,320 bad behavior. Well, as Thomas said, the heart 287 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,000 of our democracy, Mike, is the Holocaust Memorial, not 288 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,120 elections. What on earth makes you think 289 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,680 that elections at regular intervals should have anything 290 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,880 to do with democracy? Our democracy is defined by that 291 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,280 Holocaust Memorial and nothing more. 292 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:50,520 Yes, I'm not sure where to go after. 293 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,920 That there's nothing more democratic than postponing 294 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,120 elections. What do you think? 295 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,560 No, I think that's. That's a very Democratic thing 296 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,360 to do extremely Democrat, just like Zelensky in Ukraine. 297 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,560 He's he's, he's postponing now what he's over a year in 18 298 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,040 months in, yes, out of mandate. I mean, and that's the paragon 299 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,079 of democracy for Europe. We need to defend that, right, 300 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,960 Defend Zelensky because he's not having elections. 301 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,000 I can see where this is going by the way. 302 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,000 Seems to be a pattern emerging, not a good one. 303 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,440 No, indeed. OK, well that's local elections. 304 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,079 We will keep you posted as as that develops as well. 305 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:28,280 And of course that legislation will be coming forward very 306 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,240 soon. But let's move back across to 307 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,400 Switzerland and Davos Patrick. Well, yeah, this is this is the 308 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,760 great confab, isn't it, Mike? This is when the great and the 309 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,760 good get together. And this is quite prestigious. 310 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,920 It's now they're no longer calling it Davos. 311 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,280 It's now called the WEF and a lot of people are using this 312 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,120 term now. So they've really graduated 313 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:50,800 right up to the up the cultural ladder. 314 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,320 They've now got their own sort of quick nickname, if you will, 315 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,480 almost a hashtag the WEF. And so what's going on at the 316 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,800 WEF? All is not well at the WEF. 317 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:05,240 This has become the biggest slugfest at Davos in living 318 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,160 memory. And a lot of that's to do with 319 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,440 Donald Trump and his entourage that have descended onto the 320 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:17,200 slopes of Davos, once the pristine and serene liberal 321 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,200 neoliberal enclave in the Swiss Alps. 322 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,360 And here is the big controversy. And this is pretty, I, I think, 323 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:27,600 pretty significant. Christina Lagarde, she is the 324 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,640 central banker of Europe and she walked out after Howard 325 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,200 Lutnick's speech. Howard Lutnick is Donald Trump's 326 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,120 commerce secretary and we'll we'll look at him in a moment. 327 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:42,040 But apparently, and she left the Davos dinner. 328 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,400 I think she may have left the event full stop. 329 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,880 She was completely taken aback and offended by the comments 330 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,680 from Trump. Now, this is interesting too 331 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,400 because, you know, bankers are usually politically agnostic. 332 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,480 It wasn't the politics, though, that she was offended by. 333 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:03,440 It was the almost imposition of monetary policy coming from the 334 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,280 United States in terms of what Europe needs to do in terms of 335 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,000 accommodating American financial interests. 336 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,920 And that goes really flies in the face of everything that I 337 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:19,480 think any European bureaucrat, civil service or even technocrat 338 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,160 is willing to swallow. And we'll talk about that in a 339 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,800 moment. Now, here is the Howard Lutnick 340 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,040 railing against globalization. I want to comment on this 341 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,280 afterwards. Let's roll this. 342 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,040 And the Trump administration and myself, we are here to make a 343 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:41,760 very clear point. Globalization has failed the 344 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,120 West and the United States of America. 345 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,120 It's a failed policy. It is what the WEP has stood 346 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:55,240 for, which is export offshore, far shore, find the cheapest 347 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,320 labour in the world and the world is a better place for it. 348 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,000 The fact is it has left America behind. 349 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,600 It has left the American workers behind. 350 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,640 That is a bit rich coming from an investment banker from Wall 351 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,000 Street. Wall Street are the ones that 352 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,520 drove globalization and they all got filthy rich out of it by 353 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,040 financializing the American economy and they did the same in 354 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:20,760 Britain. Mike. 355 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,200 So Howard Lutnick in the City of London made out like bandits for 356 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,280 the last 30 years, and he has the temerity to then come and 357 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,320 pivot and say, oh, this globalization is hurting 358 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,080 Americans. It is really unbelievable. 359 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,080 These people are absolute shape shifters. 360 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,240 Playing psychological games, of course, because that that that 361 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,920 sentiment that he's expressed is going to be very, very popular 362 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,200 with, with the market base, of course, and, and all the other 363 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,200 people that are Trump supporters around the world. 364 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,920 And but he doesn't mean a word of it. 365 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,480 To to the uninformed and the the the neophytes in terms of 366 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,200 politics, economics and geopolitics, that might sound 367 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,320 like a good sound bite. Or to JD Vance, you know, people 368 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,600 who aren't that well steeped in such things. 369 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,200 But to educated people, he's not fooling anybody. 370 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,680 Now here he is. This is the thing that really 371 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,880 offended Christine Lagarde, we're told. 372 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:18,680 Roll this next one. And what we are here to say is 373 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,760 that America First is a different model, one that we 374 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,120 encourage other countries to consider, which is that our 375 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:33,200 workers come first. We can have policies that impact 376 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,280 our workers. Sovereignty is your borders. 377 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,520 You're entitled to have borders. You shouldn't offshore your 378 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,120 medicine. You shouldn't offshore your 379 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,600 semiconductors. You shouldn't offshore your 380 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,800 entire industrial base and have it be hollowed out beneath you. 381 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:53,960 You should not be dependent for that, which is fundamental to 382 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,640 your sovereignty on any other nation. 383 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,560 And if you're going to be dependent on someone, it darn 384 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,040 well better be your best allies, OK. 385 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,480 And so that is a different way of thinking. 386 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,000 And of course, he's absolutely right in what he says there. 387 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,320 I can't argue with anything that he said, but of course he is one 388 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,080 of the people that's implemented this offshoring policy over the 389 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,280 last decades. He is, but you know, if the US 390 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,880 is, is so self-sufficient, why do they need to steal a country 391 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,400 like Venezuela's oil and go and kidnap the president? 392 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,160 I mean, the, the hypocrisy and just the balderdash that's 393 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,520 coming out of these people is unprecedented. 394 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,160 And then why, why is he, why is the United States need to go and 395 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,080 grab Greenland if it's so self-sufficient? 396 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,400 And it's on short everything. They haven't on short 397 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,960 everything. This is a globalized economy and 398 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,680 you really can't get out of the fact that countries need to 399 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,280 trade. And then at the same time, he is 400 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,720 threatening the Trump administration's threatening 401 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,280 punitive tariffs against European countries. 402 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,120 So he's instrumentalized the whole purpose of the tariffs and 403 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,680 turned it into sanctions. Basically, there's no 404 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,600 credibility from any of these people. 405 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,800 And we don't know where to start, Howard. 406 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,480 Howard Lutnick is a fanatic, is a political fanatic. 407 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,040 He is absolutely an Israeli pick. 408 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,680 Let's take a look at him for a moment. 409 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,840 So who is Howard Lutnick? That is the question. 410 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,920 An absolute Israeli lobby pick. And a lot of people are saying, 411 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,160 Mike, that he is Trump's handler. 412 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,840 You always see Howard Lutnick everywhere Donald Trump goes. 413 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,400 He's scanning every word that Trump says to the press. 414 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,800 You do you rarely see Trump without Lutnick present. 415 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,160 So that's why people are calling the him Trump's handler. 416 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,880 And he's just always around, like lurking in the background, 417 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,320 these sort of creepy pictures. This is from Air Force One here. 418 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,800 He's almost become a mem in his own right here. 419 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,720 And that's not the his endless creepy pictures. 420 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,640 Here he is again, but you might not be able to see him, but 421 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,160 believe it or not, there he is right behind Lindsey Graham. 422 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,240 I mean, so this is Trump's handler. 423 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,720 So this is basically Israel's eyes and ears in the White House 424 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,520 is effectively Howard Lutnick of Cantor Fitzgerald investment 425 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,360 banks who coincidentally had offices in the Twin Towers on 426 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:16,520 9/11. So among other. 427 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,800 But he wasn't there that day. No, he wasn't. 428 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,120 He, he was lucky. He I think he was no, I was told 429 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,760 to picking or taking his kid to school that morning. 430 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,080 So extremely fortunate in that regard. 431 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,920 Not everybody was a sadly on 9/11. 432 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,320 But the not to change the subject. 433 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,360 That's something people need to pay attention to. 434 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:41,040 You know, who is steering Donald Trump, who is Trump's handler. 435 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,440 And we believe, a lot of people now believe it's Howard Lutnick, 436 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,720 and it's kind of becoming obvious at this point. 437 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,040 OK, thank you for that, Patrick. 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Jake speaking to Abby Robertson, 455 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,680 painting, Abby Roberts, and of course, the reveal at the end. 456 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,720 Quick reminder of the digital ID rally happening in Glasgow, 1:00 457 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,240 PM on at the Commonwealth Monument on Glasgow Green. 458 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,320 So join them at 1:00 PM in Glasgow if you're able to do 459 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,240 that. And if you're not that far 460 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,960 north, then there's going to be a digital ID meeting taking 461 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,760 place at the Chamberlain Square at 1:00 PM on Saturday at 462 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,400 Birmingham Square, Birmingham. Sorry, Chamberlain Square, 463 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,880 Birmingham. So join for that if you can as 464 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,360 well. OK, let's move on then to the 465 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,160 Board of Peace. And of course, yesterday at 466 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,360 Davos, Trump, well, he's, he announced it or he formally 467 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,160 formalized it and signed the document and created the Board 468 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,520 of Peace formally. This, of course, is to remind 469 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,560 you of the technocratic corporate body, which he clearly 470 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,480 envisages is going to replace the United Nations to some 471 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,640 extent. Now, his son-in-law and special 472 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,440 advisor, Jared Kushner unveiled a $30 billion plan for 473 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,520 rebuilding Gaza. And he was talking about amazing 474 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,840 investment opportunities so we can all buy shares in that. 475 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,200 The plan, he said, was going to begin with rebuilding the 476 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,800 southern city of Rafa within as little as two to three years. 477 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:08,320 And well, let's just get an idea of how this was presented. 478 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,560 So quickly I'll go through this 2 year war, 90,000 tons of 479 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,240 munitions, there's over 60 million tons of rubble there and 480 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,520 10s of thousands of fatalities. So on the aid I mentioned the 481 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,600 UN. So now people are talking about 482 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,760 famine, 100% of the, of the, of the food needs are are met and 483 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,600 that's been over abundance. The the cost of goods have gone 484 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,440 down tremendously. Over 55,000 trucks have gone in 485 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,440 and over 1.4 million pallets. So it's been the largest 486 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,040 humanitarian effort done into a war zone that anyone's been able 487 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,760 to tell us about. This really has been a great 488 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,960 joint effort that everyone's been able to do and and so it's 489 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,320 a great thing. So first of all, Patrick, do you 490 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:55,640 buy that this claim that 100% of of Gazan's food needs are met, 491 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,520 that this is the greatest humanitarian effort going into 492 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,560 and you notice he used the term war zone when in fact this in 493 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,600 fact is a genocide. So you know, what are your 494 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,680 thoughts on on his comments? He's absolutely lying. 495 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,720 He's lying right to the camera, he's lying to the world. 496 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,720 But these people have proven that they don't have really have 497 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,520 any conscious left when it comes to this area. 498 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,880 Besides being the president's son-in-law, the president in 499 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,760 law, he's also lifetime close friends with the Netanyahu 500 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,040 family. This is the last person you want 501 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,320 running point on such a a gaudy project. 502 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,040 And the problem, Mike, here is like the Abraham Accords, this 503 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:39,400 maneuver by Kushner basically leaves out any dialogue with the 504 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,160 Palestine, the native Palestinian population. 505 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,560 And that's why the Abraham Accords failed. 506 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,560 And that's why this is going to fail, because they haven't 507 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,280 learned a lesson from the past. Well, I mean, I, I don't know 508 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,520 how you can be right about that because it was all about the, it 509 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,320 was license lines as we saw there. 510 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,560 But he went, he went on to talk about the rebuilding and we've 511 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,280 got to be very clear because he was very clear that this was all 512 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,400 about the aspirations of the people of Gaza and nothing else. 513 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,360 Let's just have a listen. Rothful, we'll start with this 514 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,800 will show a lot of workforce housing. 515 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,520 We think this could be done in 2-3 years. 516 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,120 We've already started removing the rubble and doing some of the 517 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,640 demolition. And then new Gaza, it could be a 518 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,320 hope, It could be a destination, have a lot of industry and 519 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,800 really be a place that that the people there can thrive, have 520 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,240 great employment. Once this starts going, we think 521 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,680 there should be 100% full employment and opportunity for 522 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,400 everybody there. And we have a lot of data on 523 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,000 what can be. But we think that this really 524 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,760 gives the Gazan people an opportunity to to live their 525 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,200 aspiration. So it's not it's an opportunity 526 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,280 for the Gazan people to live their aspirations. 527 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,440 But as you're as you say, he's never spoken to any Gazan, so 528 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,200 how does he know what their aspirations are? 529 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,080 Just be clear, everybody, Jared Kushner, the Trump 530 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,360 administration, Steve Witkoff, the Israelis, Netanyahu, they 531 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,160 have no intention of allowing any Palestinians to live in 532 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,360 those pictures, which they are imagining they're going to build 533 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,680 in Gaza. They're going to continue to 534 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,320 push them out. When he says three years, he 535 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,240 means what every Israeli parliamentarian and ministerial 536 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,840 head have said and all the Hawks in Israel. 537 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,040 We need to get rid of the Palestinians from Gaza. 538 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,080 We need to exterminate them. They say we need to push them 539 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,760 out. We need to ethnically cleanse 540 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,560 them. And whoever is left are going to 541 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,680 be killed, quite frankly. And they'll, they'll have 542 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,320 hopefully they in their mind, some cheap labor by Palestinians 543 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,200 would still push into camps, into like concentration camps or 544 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,880 labor housing or labor camps. And they'll, they believe that 545 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:44,840 they'll voluntarily or want to rebuild Gaza as a new Dubai for 546 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,960 foreigners with tons of money and for Israelis to move in and 547 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,560 Americans. And they believe that somehow 548 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,200 that Palestinians are going to be OK with building this new 549 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,800 Dubai on top of the dead bodies and remains of potentially 550 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,120 hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, including women 551 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,840 and children. That's basically the gaudy, 552 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,240 audacious move that's going on here. 553 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,080 And you know, Mike, it's going to fail for a number of reasons 554 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,440 which I could talk about afterwards, but. 555 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,120 Well, we'll talk about that in Extra. 556 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,600 But then Kushner went on to say that the plan assumes that Hamas 557 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,600 has agreed to demilitarize. So let's see what he said on 558 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,200 that point. So demilitarization, this is 559 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,640 something we're starting now. We have a new government in 560 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,080 Gaza. This government will be working 561 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,720 with Hamas on the demilitarization to really take 562 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,920 the principles that were agreed to in the document to the next 563 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,280 phase, and hopefully that will be successful. 564 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,480 Without that, we can't rebuild. So if Hamas does not 565 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,600 demilitarize, that will be what holds back Gaza and the people 566 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,720 of Gaza from achieving their aspiration. 567 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,840 So, again, more aspirations there. 568 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,600 He went on to say that Hamas had signed a deal to demilitarize. 569 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,720 Well, that's the first I've heard about that. 570 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,160 And he then went on to say that that is what that the United 571 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,760 States is going to enforce. So he's implying that if there's 572 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,440 no demilitarization, that in fact we'll not only see Israeli, 573 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,320 direct Israeli activity in Gaza, but we're going to see United 574 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,120 States activity in Gaza. That's an absolute lie, what he 575 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,000 said there, there is no deal. There's no new government. 576 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,240 They haven't. The US and Israel have installed 577 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,000 a new government in Gaza. Hamas has not signed anything to 578 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,640 disarm. It hasn't happened. 579 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:29,160 So this, the level of lying here and and gaslighting is quite 580 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,080 extraordinary. And where, how come our 581 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,280 governments and the mainstream media aren't pushing back on 582 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,080 this? Not that I'm surprised. 583 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,520 Because they basically agree with it. 584 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,800 It's, it's really, I mean this, this is really amazing. 585 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,360 Well then, then the question is who's in and who's out? 586 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,480 And of course, the big question is, is Russia in? 587 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,400 Oh, before, before we go to Russia. 588 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,520 Yeah. So, so Belgium, they they 589 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,440 claimed Belgium was in and Belgian leader just said, whoa, 590 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,960 whoa, whoa, we're not in. And they rejected it. 591 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,800 So the, the, the Trump administration's making up 592 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,040 people, they're, they're telling us people who have joined that 593 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,160 haven't never joined. So there's no credibility at all 594 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,920 with this. So Belgium's out, Britain's out. 595 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,240 Well, we're going to currently, we'll talk about that. 596 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,440 Canada's out. It looks like the France is out, 597 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,280 Germany's out. Now China has basically said 598 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,360 we're looking at it, we're reviewing it. 599 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,360 But they said, they warned the Chinese. 600 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,120 This has major implications for international law, and Russia 601 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,640 has said more or less the same thing, but you have more. 602 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,600 On Well, let's have a look at what Putin said because this is 603 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,640 what he said yesterday, he said. As for the peace council, yes, 604 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,640 we really did receive a personal message from the president of 605 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,040 the United States, Donald Trump, inviting us to join a new 606 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,040 international body he's setting up. 607 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,080 As for whether Russia will take part in this peace council, the 608 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,400 Foreign Ministry has been instructed to carefully review 609 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,760 the documents we've been sent, same, same as as China at this 610 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,240 point. And he said and to consult with 611 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,680 our strategic partners. And then he said then here's the 612 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,480 main point, whatever process is launched must actually help move 613 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,400 things forward, sorry, towards a long term settlement of the 614 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,120 Israeli Palestinian conflict based on relevant UN decisions. 615 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,239 So in other words, he's very clear this is not going to 616 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,480 replace the United Nations. And all the resolutions that 617 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,159 have ruled on Palestine, OK, dozens of them. 618 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,760 Yeah, but he ended his comments with a bit of a Barb because he 619 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,639 said so. Even before we decide whether to 620 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,360 formally take part in the Peace Council, we could, I believe 621 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,920 send 1 billion U.S. dollars to the council were frozen under 622 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,239 the previous US administration. So that's that's pretty clear. 623 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,679 But then finally, Britain's position as expressed by our 624 00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:44,960 wonderful Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper. 625 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,880 Let's have a listen we. Want to be part? 626 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,960 Of the second phase of the peace plan for Gaza, we've strongly 627 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,200 supported the 20 point plan. We won't be one of the 628 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,360 signatories for what is a a legally binding treaty today 629 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,360 that raises other constitutional issues, but also are concerned 630 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,400 about suggestions that President Putin might be part of this 631 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,000 because, frankly, we need pressure on President Putin to 632 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,920 deliver peace in Ukraine, which so far he is refusing to do. 633 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,640 So Britain not wanting to. Get in So Britain's not going to 634 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,280 join the. New Doral on the Med Country 635 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,280 Club with the $1 billion joining fee. 636 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,160 That's it's the Golf Club model and he wants to franchise it to 637 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,720 other conflict zones around the world. 638 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,880 Maybe we don't have a billion dollars to give. 639 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,920 I don't know. But anyway, OK, look, let's move 640 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,400 on then because over the last couple of weeks we have been 641 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,320 talking quite a bit about ICE and the immigration situation in 642 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,760 the United States and the way that ICE is behaving as a 643 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,160 federal agency. What have you got on this, 644 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,480 Patrick? I had the pleasure of sitting. 645 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,640 Down recently, Mike and talking to the founder and director of 646 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,840 Mint Press news in the United States, Minar Adley. 647 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,160 A lot of people are familiar with Mint Press and she she's 648 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,400 been very busy covering this invasion in Minneapolis. 649 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,320 She's based in Minneapolis. As luck would have it, the story 650 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,440 came to her and her team are there and they've been covering 651 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,760 it doing an incredible job. This is a a very moving and 652 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,240 powerful discussion, a part of that discussion I had with Minar 653 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,120 just yesterday, Minar Addley. And we're going to, we're going 654 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,160 to play this now and we'll come back with more details on this 655 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,760 story in just a few minutes. Well, it's. 656 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,200 Really just a horrific. Scene here on the streets of 657 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,600 Minneapolis. Trump has unleashed his Gestapo 658 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,200 federal agents onto our city here and what we would describe 659 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:45,120 accurately as an ICE invasion. We're witnessing massive and 660 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,680 horrific domestic police repression. 661 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,760 I mean, for whatever it's worth, whatever police state we have 662 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,160 witnessed in the past, we are seeing it put on steroids right 663 00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:01,240 here in Minneapolis with these domestic police, federal agents 664 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,480 that are going literally door to door and walking up to people 665 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,440 asking them to show them their papers to prove their 666 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,400 citizenship. I mean, this is unlike anything 667 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,800 that we've seen before here in the US, at least not in my time 668 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,120 in my generation. I was born and raised here in 669 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,000 Minneapolis, and this is the first time I've heard or seen 670 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,320 anything like this in the United States. 671 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,680 Right now we have over, not even a minimum, but over 2000, 672 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:33,240 perhaps 3000 federal agents with ICE that are here on the ground 673 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,480 supposedly targeting, you know, criminals, undocumented 674 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,360 immigrants. But the truth is is that they 675 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,360 are kidnapping and abducting in many. 676 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,440 Cases American. Citizens, we just saw them, you 677 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,520 know, live with Jonathan Ross, the federal ICE agent, shooting 678 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,760 an American citizen, Renee Good, on the streets of Minneapolis. 679 00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:01,160 And they are kidnapping and abducting immigrants that have 680 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,200 lived here for decades who might be, who might have work visas, 681 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,320 who might be here on refugee status. 682 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,000 And they're very specifically targeting brown people. 683 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,600 I mean, they're not targeting like Ukrainians, for example, or 684 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,440 Irish immigrants that are living here. 685 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,680 Minneapolis holds the largest refugee population from the 686 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,840 Somali community. And many of these people are 687 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,400 here because the United States history is, you know, operating 688 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,680 its War on Terror in their country for decades has 689 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,440 destroyed their country. And so they get refugee status. 690 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,160 And many people are, many of the Somalis are here. 691 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,760 Many of them are American citizens. 692 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,320 And just to share a a story, I mean my friend Segundo, a good 693 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,720 friend of mine, his name is Segundo. 694 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:53,440 He's from Ecuador and his wife Maria were on their way to 695 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,040 church about a month and a half ago. 696 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,640 They are Ecuadorian immigrants on a work visa here with their 697 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,280 eight-year old son in their car. And they were abducted or the 698 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:08,040 husband Segundo was abducted in his car as they were pulling up 699 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,200 to their church to go to church. These are law abiding people. 700 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,520 And just how devastating and traumatic for that wife and for 701 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,200 their son to witness ICE federal agents pull up, surround their 702 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,240 vehicle with their masks on, burying their guns, pulling 703 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,880 Segundo out of his car. He didn't even get to say 704 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,040 goodbye to his family and his wife and his son are just 705 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,800 looking at what's happening to their father, to their to her 706 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,160 husband. An absolute horror. 707 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,400 And he disappeared for over 2 weeks. 708 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,760 They had no idea where Ice had taken him. 709 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,280 They didn't hear anything from him. 710 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,120 And several weeks later, Segundo finally called them from a 711 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,640 holding center and I believe it was in Texas to let them know 712 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,000 that he was being deported back to to Ecuador, where he was from 713 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,000 originally from. But as you know, Ecuador as well 714 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,280 as a nation that has been completely destroyed by U.S. 715 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,480 economic policies and that country is strife with crime and 716 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,720 corruption. And Segundo and his wife, Maria, 717 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,960 and their eight-year old son, they have another daughter here 718 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,840 who's going to college. They've now been separated from 719 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,760 their families, from their dad. And this is the story of so many 720 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,640 of these people that are being abducted and taken. 721 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,560 By ICE, they're being kidnapped, they're being disappeared. 722 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,200 And in many cases, the people that they're kidnapping are not 723 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,920 even being sent to their home, you know, their home country. 724 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,440 They're being sent to a prison holding cell in El Salvador. 725 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,800 And a lot of times these people have committed no crimes. 726 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,920 And so for Trump to go on this rampage to send in these federal 727 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,040 agents and its crackdown against, you know, criminals and 728 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,960 illegal immigration, this is clearly rooted in white 729 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:04,560 supremacy and racism. Because as they abducted Segundo 730 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,240 in that church parking lot, he was on his way to church right 731 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:13,800 now. Nikima Levy Armstrong was just 732 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,840 arrested by the DOJ because she LED a protest in a church here 733 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,600 in St. Paul, MN. 734 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,920 By the way, she is a reverend herself, OK? 735 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,040 And she is a civil rights attorney, an African American 736 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:34,160 sister who led a protest inside the Saint Paul church against a 737 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,880 pastor who's also the regional director of ICE. 738 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,920 And she was arrested for disrupting a church service. 739 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,320 And the right, right now, the far right is going absolutely 740 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,360 insane saying that she went too far by disrupting, you know, 741 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,560 Christians, right, to be, you know, sitting in their service 742 00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,200 peacefully without being disrupted while they are 743 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,160 literally abducting other Christians who just happened to 744 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,760 be brown skinned and Hispanic and Latino. 745 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,760 And that's OK. Segundo was abducted in a church 746 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,960 parking lot and he was sent back and, you know, completely 747 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,480 terrorizing his family. And now they just arrested 748 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,240 Nikima because she LED that protest inside of a church. 749 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,800 And they're quoting the Bible. That's what they're doing. 750 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,440 They're quoting the Bible. People on the far right are 751 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,400 quoting the Bible like this isn't Christianity. 752 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,160 Well, what's not Christianity is prevent is, is having an ice 753 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,040 pasture connected with ice terrorizing our communities. 754 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,520 And many times they're also Christian, just like Segundo's 755 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,200 story. And you know, that story's on my 756 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,280 mind, Patrick, because it's a good friend of mine. 757 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,320 Every single person here in Minneapolis knows somebody who 758 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,320 has been kidnapped and deported by ICE. 759 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,280 And something that's really interesting that interesting 760 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,000 that has happened is that ICE federal agents have actually 761 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,920 stopped off duty police officers here in Minneapolis and asked 762 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,760 them to show them their papers. And this has triggered the 763 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,760 police departments to kind of say like, what is going on? 764 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,360 And this is not OK, you've gone too far. 765 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,240 Because now they're seeing that it's it's affecting even their 766 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:20,360 off duty police officers. And there's just one story where 767 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,560 one of the police officers from the city of Brooklyn Park was 768 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,040 stopped. And I believe she was Latina, 769 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,880 you know, American Latina, And she was off duty. 770 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,280 She was just in her regular clothes. 771 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,800 And a federal ICE agent stopped her and asked her to show her 772 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,520 her papers. Well, most people don't walk 773 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,560 around with their birth certificate or their passport. 774 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,840 Like, that's like, not a thing. And so she didn't have anything 775 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,120 to show him except for her driver's license. 776 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,800 And she pulled out the camera to start recording her because 777 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,360 recording him because he became aggressive with her and he 778 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,680 actually knocked that phone out of her hand and detained her. 779 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,520 And so this is a perfect example of how for. 780 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,000 Even for those who might support. 781 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,640 What ICE is doing in this, you know, their so-called crackdown, 782 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,320 it's not just going to affect immigrants or undocumented 783 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,840 immigrants or people who are here as residents or, you know, 784 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,040 visas. It's going to affect U.S. 785 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,560 citizens. And we already saw that from the 786 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,520 first day when a few weeks ago Renee Goode was killed. 787 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,440 She was shot by a federal agent. And they are being extremely 788 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,320 aggressive, extremely aggressive. 789 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,200 And this is absolutely overreach. 790 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,920 And it's really scary for people who are living here. 791 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,600 There are many people who are afraid to leave their house in 792 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,040 the state of Minnesota. Even American citizens now feel 793 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,800 that they're afraid to leave their house because they don't 794 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,320 want to be detained by ICE. So yesterday I went actually to 795 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,600 the Somali Mall to join a press conference. 796 00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:02,720 Literally one block down from US, ICE had abducted two 797 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,920 teenagers, slammed them to the ground on the ice here because 798 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,600 it is very cold here in Minneapolis. 799 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,840 It's like -10°. Today they slammed them both on 800 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,800 on ice. We have video footage of this. 801 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:54,400 None. Great reporting by Men Press. 802 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,480 News that's Menorah Addley she's an award-winning journalist and 803 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,360 I would say in terms of independent media men press is 804 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,120 probably one of the best organizations in the world and 805 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,240 has been been like that really for like over 10 years. 806 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,640 So she's an incredible reporter and that's just a few she 807 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,440 provide me with a lot of footage, Mike. 808 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:18,040 And that was there was stuff even more shocking than what we 809 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,760 showed there. I mean, that was pretty light. 810 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,520 But you know, perhaps we'll you know, we'll there's some other 811 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,480 clips from this interview on future programs. 812 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,120 But suffice to say, Mike, that's that's about as good of a clear 813 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,640 account as you can get on the ground there from Minneapolis. 814 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,920 And we'll we'll be getting more like that as well. 815 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,560 We'll undoubtedly be talking about. 816 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,200 This an extra. Now I want to bring this on 817 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,680 screen. This is whistleblower aid. 818 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,200 Now. They describe themselves as a 819 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,600 pioneering nonprofit legal organization that helps public 820 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,600 and private sector workers report and expose wrongdoing. 821 00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:55,440 It was founded in 2017, and they say they've supported and 822 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,280 advocated for whistleblowers across government. 823 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,720 This is in the United States, big tech and other parts of the 824 00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:04,960 private sector and so on. Right now, the organization does 825 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,200 seem to be primarily funded just for transparency here by 826 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,360 individuals. But they have also received in 827 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,680 the past funding from the Omadire Network and from 828 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,800 Democracy Fund Voice. But foundation funding doesn't 829 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,640 seem to be routine for them, though. 830 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,720 Now they've published a document, which is a report. 831 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,240 So let's bring it on screen by two anonymous whistleblowers. 832 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,360 And they say whistleblower is represents 2 anonymous United 833 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,040 States government officials disclosing a secretive and a 834 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,480 seemingly unconstitutional policy directive. 835 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,880 This policy directive authorizes Immigration and Customs 836 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,560 Enforcement agents to enter homes and residences without 837 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,800 consent in order to conduct arrests and removals without a 838 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,280 warrant issued by a federal judge. 839 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,920 And it's the without a warrant, but which is the important 840 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,560 thing. Now the memo was was dated May 841 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,360 the 12th, 2025 and was signed by the then acting ICE Director 842 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,080 Todd Lyons. And that was recently determined 843 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,720 that the the Constitution and immigration law do not prohibit 844 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,360 using administrative warrants to enter, resist to enter a 845 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:10,920 residence. So that's their position. 846 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,520 And the memo instructs officers to knock, identify themselves 847 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,600 and give occupants a reasonable chance to comply, but allows all 848 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,240 necessary and reasonable force if entry is refused. 849 00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:25,080 So that's what the memo was alleged to have said. 850 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,760 Now, the assistant secretary of Homeland Defense, Tricia 851 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,040 McLaughlin, took the X, and she said in every case that DHS uses 852 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,720 an administrative warrant to enter a residence, an illegal 853 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:41,480 alien has already had their full due process and final order of 854 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,600 removal by a federal immigration judge. 855 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,800 That's their claim. The officer also has probable 856 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,360 cause. And then the official Homeland 857 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,320 Security X account posted that in every case we serve an 858 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,600 administrative warrant, there's probable cause and the illegal 859 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,960 alien has had full full due process and a final order of 860 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:02,360 removal. So that's the claim from them. 861 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,040 But that's strange because according to the whistleblowers, 862 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,520 it appears that the acting ICE director has authorized the 863 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,480 very, the very conduct, sorry, the very conduct that the DHS in 864 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,840 2025 legal training materials has called the chief evil 865 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,520 against which the wording of the 4th Amendment is directed. 866 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,960 Physical entry of the home without consent or a proper 867 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,240 warrant and administrative warrant doesn't cut it. 868 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,720 But in the meantime, as Patrick was highlighting last week, ICE 869 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:34,360 has become a major employer in the United States with a with 870 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,920 apparently no particular restrictions on who can apply. 871 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,040 And we should also recall the press release from Homeland 872 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,840 Security Secretary Christy Nob last year, which not only 873 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,320 removed its restrictions on who could apply, but also all 874 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,920 ordered, sorry, offered all kinds of incentives. 875 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,080 So it including a maximum $50,000 signing bonus, a student 876 00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,760 loan repayment and forgiveness opportunity, 25% law enforcement 877 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:06,960 availability, pay uncontrollable overtime for enforcement removal 878 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,800 operations, so basically unlimited overtime and enhanced 879 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,400 retirement benefits. And Patrick, the question then 880 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,680 is where, where is this coming from? 881 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,880 Where has it come from? And the source seems to be the 882 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,040 Heritage Foundation's Project 2025. 883 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:27,960 And the key objectives in this document include clarifying and 884 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,960 expanding ICE authority, removing restrictions on ICE 885 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,800 operations, expanding expedited removal, reorganizing 886 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,880 immigration functions, pushing for aggressive interior 887 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,120 enforcement. This is all the the key features 888 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,760 of this. And we're seeing that on the 889 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,440 streets of the United States at the moment. 890 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,160 And, and, you know, I would just, we're going to talk about 891 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,280 this more an extra, but just for those that are sort of saying, 892 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,720 well, these people shouldn't be there there anyway and 893 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,800 abductions equals arrests. I'm just going to make the point 894 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,680 once again, once you start removing the rule of law and you 895 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,400 start get working your way around the regulations and the 896 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,280 the, the workflows that you're supposed to follow in the US 897 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,760 Constitution and the. Constitution you are. 898 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,720 In a lawless state, the people that are accepting this because 899 00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:20,080 they happen to not like the levels of immigration in a 900 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,040 country or because they happen to support the. 901 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:28,000 Current president occupying the White House or party right that 902 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,760 powers will be retained. By whoever. 903 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,800 It follows follows them in office in fact will get worse. 904 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,120 This is a slippery. Slope. 905 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,640 It's a direction of travel you've got to be looking at and 906 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,720 you've got to be considering where this ends up and, and, and 907 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,320 accepting this kind of behavior just because you don't like 908 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,360 immigrants is being in your country is not. 909 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,120 That's not the way to think about it. 910 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:49,360 Yeah, that's that's a very jingoistic. 911 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,960 Xenophobic way of looking at it, Mike. 912 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,560 And I will add, when they say illegal aliens, as Minar showed 913 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,600 us in her interview, they're not illegal aliens. 914 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,680 Some of the people being kidnapped, they're legal. 915 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,880 So that shows you right there that there was no due process. 916 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,920 And that's why and a lot of civil liberties attorneys now 917 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,280 are being flooded, Mike, with this is this is going to the 918 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,400 Supreme Court and the 4th Amendment will be upheld on all 919 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,840 of these cases because this is just reckless what's going on 920 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,280 here. And it's taking the rights away 921 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,600 from all Americans, American citizens, not just quote 922 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,040 illegals. And that's the sort of short 923 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,960 sighted ignorant viewpoint that unfortunately a lot of people 924 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,440 have because there is a lot of ignorance out there on this 925 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,920 issue. Because people are consuming 926 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,920 really low IQ mega media and following bots on social media 927 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:43,800 and being gaslit 24/7 on their favorite channels when in fact 928 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,400 there's a real world out there that I should remind people that 929 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,480 exists. Absolutely. 930 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,400 Okay, where does that take us then? 931 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,120 Filtered. Let's let's come back to the UK 932 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,000 and the filtered jury. We'll get a quick a quick. 933 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,520 Update on this and again, we're going to point to this excellent 934 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,080 Instagram channel. He'll free the Filton 24. 935 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,560 They've got already 40,000 followers, jury updates. 936 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,680 And also I want to give a shout out to this excellent website. 937 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,480 If you want a real time like trial summaries from court 938 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,560 reporting here, Real media has just done an excellent job here. 939 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,760 And you can go down and just Scroll down from each week right 940 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,400 down to week #8 on this trial coverage. 941 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,480 Now, there's been some delays with regards to what's happening 942 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,160 this week. And this is happening over at 943 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,840 Willage Crown Court, which is adjacent to Belmarsh Prison. 944 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,360 I want to bring Basil Valentine on the line right now. 945 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,520 Basil, can you just give us an update? 946 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,920 There's been some problems with the jury. 947 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,800 Deliberation of major issues have come up. 948 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:45,360 Just fill us in on the details. Basil. 949 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,400 Yes, unfortunately. Up to the middle of this week, 950 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,480 the jury had had only been able to deliberate the two days out 951 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,800 of a possible 7. Now it's worth remembering, of 952 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,600 course, the The defendants are held under terrorism 953 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,120 legislation, which means that conditions are particularly 954 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,120 harsh. They're woken up at 5:00 AM. 955 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,080 The women spend around six hours a day travelling in a prison van 956 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:16,120 to and from HMP Bronze Field. The men face extensive security 957 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,600 at Belmarsh, where they're X-rayed and strip searched twice 958 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,840 a day, and then at court they're held in filthy holding cells 959 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,160 with nothing but a bench. They've also been denied food by 960 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,440 Serco, the privatised prison supplier, and they aren't 961 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,800 allowed to shower because they get back to prison too late. 962 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,600 So, as was the case with Julian Assange, the process is very 963 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:48,360 much part of the punishment. Last week, as a result of family 964 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,120 commitments, illness amongst members of the jury, the 965 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,520 deliberations were cancelled on more than one occasion. 966 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,960 It's to be hoped that they can come to conclusions sooner 967 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:03,640 rather than later. Of course, this goes back to why 968 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,640 the hunger strikes took place in the 1st place, which was to get 969 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,000 bail. Some of these people have been 970 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,320 on remand, held in these appalling conditions for two 971 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:18,040 years and the jury may find them guilty of no offence at all. 972 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,560 Will they ever get any compensation for two years, not 973 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,520 just of imprisonment, but imprisonment in very harsh 974 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:29,840 conditions as terrorists and. Also Basil on. 975 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,640 This on this update as well. What about the the timeline on 976 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,720 this? We also have the judicial review 977 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,920 which is simmering off to the side with regards to the 978 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,400 prescription of Palestine action. 979 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,320 These two are politically linked. 980 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,160 One could influence the other your your thoughts and just 981 00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:50,200 briefly, Basil. Well, strictly speaking. 982 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,400 The judicial review shouldn't draw its conclusions conclusions 983 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,000 entirely from what the jury decide at Bullish Crown Court, 984 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,120 although it's likely that it will play a part. 985 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,160 The Filton 24 were prosecuted under terrorism legislation in 986 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,520 advance of the prescription of Palestine action because the 987 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,760 British government wanted to see if it could use terrorism powers 988 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:17,560 to quash people who take direct action against the genocide. 989 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,480 Thank you. Very much Basil. 990 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,880 Valentine. Now, just briefly, finally, 991 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,120 Basil, this is an incredible story. 992 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,840 We'll bring this up on screen right now. 993 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:32,480 Israel pays for UK adverts attacking Doctors Without 994 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,520 Borders. This is an international charity 995 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:39,240 that provides free medical services in war zones. 996 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,200 Explain to us what's happening here. 997 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,320 Great report by Declassified UK. Basil, what do you what do you 998 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,160 know about this? Well. 999 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,800 If you type Medicine Sol Frontier into Google, you'll 1000 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,560 find a link directly to an Israeli government website which 1001 00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:02,400 accuses the the organization which does terrific work for 1002 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,320 gardens. By the way, you can find out 1003 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,200 about more about what they've been doing over the last few 1004 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,160 months. It claims that they failed to 1005 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,600 adequately adequately condemn the war crimes of October the 1006 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,200 7th 2023 and that the pronouncements, public 1007 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,480 pronouncements have become too politicised, too critical of 1008 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,000 Israel. At the moment they only have a 1009 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,840 licence to continue practicing until the 1st of March. 1010 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,400 After that they may be kicked out. 1011 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,680 This of course comes after the Israelis demolished the United 1012 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,080 Nations Relief and Works Agency building in East Jerusalem this 1013 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,640 week and also denied access to dozens of other humanitarian 1014 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:47,920 organisations. So the plan obviously is to 1015 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,760 punish the Palestinians by denying them healthcare because 1016 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,760 one of the few organisations have been able to help people 1017 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,880 injured by Israeli action, of course by gunfire, by shells. 1018 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:05,160 Punish the Palestinians because they mentioned some Fontiere. 1019 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:11,840 Have the temerity to offer some milk toast criticism of what the 1020 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,680 Israelis describe as defensive operations. 1021 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,200 This is really the agenda. Thank you, Basil. 1022 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,560 This is the agenda, Mike, is to restrict any outsiders going 1023 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,040 into Gaza, journalists, NGOs, Doctors Without Borders, because 1024 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,120 of what they'll say to the world about the true or the images 1025 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,120 they might beam to the world about the true state of affairs 1026 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,280 in Gaza, which is really been met. 1027 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,480 We've seen a lot. But that's only a fraction of 1028 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,640 what we could see if there were major media organizations there. 1029 00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,000 But of course, Israel wouldn't be bombing, would they, if there 1030 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,640 were BBC crews running around and and ABC and CBS crews 1031 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,520 running around, right? Very likely they would not be 1032 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,200 able to, but of course the other thing that they can then do is 1033 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,960 stand up at a Board of Peace event and make claims about the 1034 00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:02,680 humanitarian response. Well, in fact, nobody has been 1035 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:07,760 in Gaza to see the humanitarian response, so nobody can. 1036 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,480 Nobody in the mainstream media is going to criticize that 1037 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,560 comment because they've had nobody there to look. 1038 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,640 And we saw the Gaza humanitarian. 1039 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,000 Foundation and what they did with their rap runs. 1040 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,200 Exactly. And concentration camps. 1041 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,760 But lastly, my Israel's buying up ads on YouTube and running 1042 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:29,440 the worst propaganda you can imagine, demonizing Palestinians 1043 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,400 and also attacking different people. 1044 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:37,920 And even there was a report about Israelis who ran ads to 1045 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,040 collect donations, pretending to be Palestinian to collect 1046 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,720 donations for a fake charity for Gaza. 1047 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,160 So literally running scams trying to take advantage of 1048 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,440 Palestinian suffering. And YouTube is running these ads 1049 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,800 and all these social media platforms have a hard time 1050 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,760 policing this stuff. We have seen so many reports of 1051 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,840 this since October 7th and it's but of course we have to go back 1052 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,600 to that to. Netanyahu meeting with the 1053 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,880 young, the youth in the United Nations and explaining how they 1054 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,240 were going to be funding thousands of influencers, never 1055 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,600 mind the ads, influencers as well on with, you know, host of 1056 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,400 YouTube channels and so on. And we saw those influencers. 1057 01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:23,640 Mobilized and kicked into action with the Iran riots and they've 1058 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,960 been flooding social media being paid $7000 per post. 1059 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,880 Good work if you can get it anyway. 1060 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,600 It is indeed. Well, look, we have to. 1061 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,800 Leave it there for today. I'm going to say thank you very 1062 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,320 much to Basil and Patrick and for everybody that's watched. 1063 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,840 We'll be back in a few minutes. If you're UK column member for 1064 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,920 some news extra, we'll see you then with Basil Valentine. 1065 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:44,880 Absolutely. Yes. 1066 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,240 We'll see you then. Thanks for joining. 1067 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:46,960 US bye bye.