1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,280 Good afternoon, it's Friday the 24th of October 2025, just after 2 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,120 1:00 and welcome to UK Column News. 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,840 I'm your host, Mike Robinson, my Co host in studio today, Patrick 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,040 Henningson welcomes the programme. 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,400 Patrick. Great to be with you, Mike. 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,800 And we'll be joined today by Basil Valentine and David 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,160 Miller. Now, later in the programme, 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,160 we're going to be covering the acquittal of Soldier F over the 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,640 killings on Bloody Bloody Sunday in Northern Ireland. 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,000 And we'll be looking at the increasing tensions between the 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,520 US and Russia. And in fact, we'll have a little 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,640 bit at the end about the on the latest from Starmer on digital 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,520 ID. But we're going to begin with 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,520 censorship and medical censorship, Patrick, and really 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,680 censorship of anyone speaking out about Gaza. 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,120 Well, this year, three really important stories, huge 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,080 precedent, potentially precedent cases here and it's a really a 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,920 trifector Mike this week. The 1st is the story of doctor 19 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,920 Ramey Aladwan and she was arrested in her home a few days 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,320 ago and then she's being put on double jeopardy with the General 21 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:10,120 Medical Council trying to basically, well the the Israeli 22 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,960 lobby and pressure groups want to take away her medical 23 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:15,080 licence, her ability to practise medicine. 24 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,320 The other is the lawyer for Hamas who is representing Hamas 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,680 to regarding the prescription label of the group in the UK 26 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,200 courts. His name is Fahad Ansari. 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,560 He has also been arrested under the Terrorism Act. 28 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:36,200 We'll look at his case as well as the fast, we call them fast 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,200 jury trials or no jury trials, speed trials with no jury for 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,400 all the Palestine action activists who've been arrested 31 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,040 that's going through right now. Let's take a look at all three 32 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,480 of those real briefly, and then we're going to connect with 33 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,560 Basil Valentine for some analysis on this. 34 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,120 But first and foremost here, and by the way, I could only find 35 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,920 this article that had a fair headline. 36 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,760 The main mainstream is just out to destroy this doctor Ramey 37 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,440 Aladwan and this headline British Palestinian NHS doctor 38 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:10,720 silenced by UK Medical Council after arrest over pro Palestine 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,600 comments. But this is the thing, Mike, 40 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,360 when you go to Google here, I typed in her name and I'm 41 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,680 looking for this is what pops up. 42 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,480 They're making the whole stories about her necklace. 43 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:25,560 She had a #7 around her neck. So the Daily Mail, The Times, 44 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,480 everybody's all over that. And just to scroll through here 45 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:33,680 and it's anti Semite calling for jihad. 46 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,120 They're going on about her #7 charm or terror charm around her 47 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,160 neck. You can't. 48 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,280 There's the the presser not interested in the issue of free 49 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,760 speech and due process and her basic rights and the fact she's 50 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,880 been put through double jeopardy here now. 51 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,120 She had a hearing yesterday, Mike. 52 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,320 We thought there was going to be a decision, but they've just 53 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,360 kicked the can down the road a bit further and she's going to 54 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,680 have to be put on trial for the exact same thing she was 55 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,200 acquitted for just a few weeks ago and with no new evidence 56 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,040 presented, here she is right outside the steps of the of the 57 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,960 hearing. I'm, I'm basically here again 4 58 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,200 weeks later for the exact same speech that a panel here, an 59 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,600 independent panel said was fine. Just because the Israeli Jewish 60 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,000 lobby has an issue with what I said and the fact that I want, 61 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,880 they don't want the movement. They don't want people to be 62 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,200 able to make the same arguments, to be able to have that freedom 63 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,640 of speech. We pay the General Medical 64 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,840 Council to make sure that we're safe for British patients, not 65 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,480 to make sure that what we say doesn't upset Israel or the 66 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,800 Israeli lobby. We're here. 67 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,200 This is not how our medical regulator and certainly I'm 68 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,760 shocked that the MPs have buckled. 69 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,240 I mean, the MPs have today themselves determined that their 70 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,480 ruling that they made only four weeks ago cannot stand that they 71 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,480 cannot push back against the GMC who are acting on behalf of 72 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,560 Israel. That should worry us all. 73 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,320 That should worry every single British doctor and patient and 74 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,959 citizen. This is independent regulation 75 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:20,720 being influenced by a foreign hostile entity that just 76 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,800 murdered hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and bond 77 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,720 hospitals, raped doctors to death and kidnapped and tortured 78 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:35,240 them. Makes a pretty strong argument 79 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,400 there. So they're trying to prevent her 80 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,880 from doing her job because of statements she made, I believe 81 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,160 at a, a, a previous rally regarding Palestine or with 82 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,880 Palestine action or something like this. 83 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,240 So the other case here, Mike, is this one. 84 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,520 We'll bring this up on screen. This is the lawyer who is UK 85 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,440 lawyer representing Hamas over the prescription label here. 86 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:02,840 His name is Fahad Ansari and this is his his page up at Cage 87 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:04,560 International. You know they're advocating on 88 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,600 his behalf. He's been detained under the 89 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,120 Terrorism Act and digitally strip searched and he's not 90 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,160 given proper due process or rights in defending himself as 91 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,960 auk qualified lawyer. Here is his statement. 92 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,000 But to kick me out of court, to kick my lawyers out of court at 93 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,200 this point and say we now need to go into. 94 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,320 Clothes and we're going to actually have a conversation 95 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,560 with the judge that you will never know what happened there. 96 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,400 You'll never know the justification, you'll never see 97 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:38,200 material that is simply unfair. And you ask any child whether 98 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:39,360 this is fair, they will say this is. 99 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,600 How could that be fair? You didn't hear my side of the 100 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,200 story. But we've. 101 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,160 Become conditioned to accept unfair. 102 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,000 The last 25 years of war and terror has conditioned the 103 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,640 British public to accept secret evidence in our courts, to 104 00:05:54,640 --> 00:06:00,320 accept the an abandonment of the rule of law, to accept people 105 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,960 being arrested for terrorism for holding up placards. 106 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,320 So we have been fighting this for over 2 decades. 107 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,600 Now is not the time to back off. And the fact that all of you 108 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,360 guys are here today really encourages me. 109 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,560 It's not about me. It's not the fact that I'm a 110 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,600 solicitor, I'm a lawyer. The principle is greater than 111 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,920 this. Nobody should be allowed take 112 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,400 your phone at a border without suspicion, without suspicion. 113 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,120 I need to stress that. And do a digital strip search on 114 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,000 you. Under the compulsion that if you 115 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,800 don't comply, you will be convicted of terrorism. 116 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,040 That is not what should be happening and it's not about me. 117 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,720 I need to stress this. It is about all of us and most 118 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,000 fundamentally, it is about Palestine, free Palestine. 119 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,280 And he does have a fundraiser here. 120 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,840 We'll put that up on screen. This is crowd justice. 121 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,880 And he is raising money for his defence on this. 122 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,800 Obviously, Mike, it's such an important issue. 123 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,400 We're talking about basic rights here that actually effects 124 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,560 everybody, including some of our journalistic colleagues who have 125 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,560 been subject to this type of treatment as well. 126 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,200 And the third story will bring this up on screen right now. 127 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,520 This is from Craig Murray's website. 128 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,240 And I just remind people, Craig Murray is one of the greatest 129 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,440 court reporters probably in history for what he's done over 130 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,960 the years, doing the hard work, the yeoman's labour from the 131 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,400 gallery of courtrooms. But here he has 36 minute trials 132 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,880 and no jury. Starmer's fascist mass courts. 133 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,280 What's he talking about here? Well, he's talking about all of 134 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,960 the people who've been arrested for saying they support 135 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,280 Palestine Action, a direct action grassroots group here. 136 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,560 And this is from Murray. The plans are devised by Justice 137 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,520 Michael Snow. He is the epitome of judicial 138 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,920 prejudice. When Julian Assange appeared 139 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,320 before Snow in the first hearing after being dragged from the 140 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,680 embassy, Snow called Assange A narcissist, even though Assange 141 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,560 had said nothing but to confirm his name and had no evidence 142 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,720 that had been led to that arrest. 143 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,080 So, and he goes on here. This is describing the situation 144 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,680 they've Snow's decree 2000 people charged under Section 13 145 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,960 of the Terrorism Act for supporting Palestine action 146 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,520 who's just been recently labelled a terrorist group by 147 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,920 the British government to be tried in batches of five at a 148 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,000 rate of 10 people per day, giving 36 court minutes for each 149 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,240 defendant. This is a farce, says Murray, a 150 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,159 spectacle, a mass show trial. And the 36 minutes includes both 151 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:38,280 prosecution and defence cases and cross examination. 152 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,039 Pretty incredible, isn't it? So with that, I want to bring on 153 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:46,560 our guest, Basil Valentine. He is a political analyst based 154 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,520 in the UK. Basil, welcome to the programme. 155 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,920 Let's start in order here, Basil. 156 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,120 Well, the first one is the case of Doctor Ramey Aladwan. 157 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,880 Your your thoughts on how this proceedings have unfolded and 158 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,920 what the implications are. Go ahead, Basil. 159 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:09,680 Well, after Rami was acquitted by the Medical Tribunal Service 160 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:14,720 last month, Wes Streeting started bleaching about how he 161 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,000 disagreed with the decision. He has no business to do so 162 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,120 because it's an independent professional body. 163 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,120 And then only last week, Keir Starmer started making noises 164 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,320 about changing legislation to interfere with these independent 165 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:33,400 professional bodies and their ability to regulate, be it 166 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,600 doctors, lawyers or anybody else. 167 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,040 It so happens that Ramey is a doctor. 168 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:44,120 But the same may apply to solicitors or, you know, any 169 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,000 other regulated sector or indeed, you know, trade 170 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,560 unionists across the employment spectrum. 171 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:55,960 Now, the tribunal found last month that Ramey's speech was 172 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,040 protected under the European Convention of Human Rights. 173 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:05,360 She'd said nothing illegal at all, but yesterday the General 174 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,280 Medical Council claimed that they didn't like the flavour of 175 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,240 what she was saying, which is an interesting thing. 176 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,920 And she was silenced when she attempted to address the panel 177 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,960 as well. Silence there. 178 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,920 And of course Rama is silenced in the corporate media. 179 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,400 Never allowed to present her case on any major network or 180 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,320 anything because of course her case comes across as perfectly 181 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,680 reasonable, humane and humanitarian. 182 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,440 She's a British of Palestinian origin and a direct victim of 183 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,840 genocide. That's the whole point. 184 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,560 That's why she's in Britain in the 1st place and not practising 185 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,680 medicine in Palestine. So the reason why her case has 186 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:52,180 been heard again is because the so called campaign against anti 187 00:10:52,180 --> 00:10:56,120 semitism lobby the government who bowed to their pressure to 188 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,960 go for this retrial. Now we'll find out in two weeks 189 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:02,160 time. Basically what they're trying to 190 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,600 do is alter the terms of reference or the way that what 191 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,960 she said was interpreted to somehow the aim of the exercise 192 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,680 find her guilty when the next hearing comes around. 193 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:19,040 It's absolutely disgraceful and these establishment organs that 194 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,320 sort of claim to represent the rule of law are in fact doing 195 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,080 the quite opposite. They're undermining the rule of 196 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,880 law by undermining due process and independent bodies like the 197 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,320 Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service. 198 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,840 Incidentally, this video, which we can see as well of her 199 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:43,200 arrest, the police informed the GMC, the General Medical 200 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,040 Council, about this, gave them full details of her arrest. 201 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,320 Even though that the GMC themselves had said to Rome back 202 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,840 in May, in reference to a previous arrest when she was a 203 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,280 supporter of the now prescribed Palestine action, that they, the 204 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:05,640 GMC, were not interested in mere arrests, only if she was charged 205 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:10,600 and convicted. And yet that seems now to change 206 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:16,800 and there is collusion between the police and the GMC, The 207 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,680 theory being that, you know, it's grist to the mill, isn't 208 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:23,600 it, to say, you know, we've got a wrong in here. 209 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,360 Look, we had to arrest her only earlier this week. 210 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,760 So, you know, no smoke without fire and all that sort of thing. 211 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,920 Even though, of course, the arrest was on grounds that were 212 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,720 largely spurious. It was very much, I think, 213 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,840 designed just to change the optics in advance of this week's 214 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,400 hearing. Yes, a good point. 215 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,200 A lot of people are suspecting the same. 216 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,720 And on the case of Fahad Ansari, we'll bring up this incredible 217 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,240 quote here. This is amazing, he says. 218 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,600 I refuse to participate in a fundamentally unfair process. 219 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,640 He's not going to comply in this legal process, he says. 220 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,560 I cannot trust the system where the British state's allegation, 221 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:06,720 quote, evidence is kept secret from me, kept secret from my 222 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,000 lawyers and members of the public, and where any attempts 223 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,120 to defend myself would only serve to feed the intelligence 224 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,960 apparatus. This is targeting both me and my 225 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,160 clients. This is not about national 226 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,320 security. It's about using a rigged system 227 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,560 to harass lawyers like me who represent clients the state 228 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:27,360 dislikes and who would prefer were denied any legal 229 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,120 representation whatsoever. Your thoughts on this case? 230 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,760 This is so important, Basil, because this really comes to the 231 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,480 core of due process and jurisprudence. 232 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,920 Go ahead. You know, Mr Ansari was detained 233 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,080 at the Port of Holyhead on his return from a family holiday in 234 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,880 Ireland and was questioned by the police about his religion, 235 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,040 about his views on Palestine, things like that. 236 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,760 And they took his phone off him, even though it has 15 years 237 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,680 worth of confidential information on it. 238 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,720 And he, because of this, you know, ludicrous misuse of 239 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,000 terrorism legislation is due to be the victim of a truly 240 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:14,680 Kafkaesque 1984 type procedure where the police will present 241 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:17,520 evidence to a judge entirely in secret. 242 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,320 Mr Ans neither Mr Ansari nor his legal team are allowed to know 243 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:26,080 what that evidence is, nor any member of the public or press. 244 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:33,080 Now, as a counterweight to that special advocate is appointed to 245 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:39,000 represent Mr Ansari's interests. He is allowed in the court, but 246 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,320 he's not allowed to speak to Mr Ansari or Mr Ansari's legal team 247 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,560 after the evidence has been presented. 248 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,880 I mean, this is absolutely off the chance if, if this sort of 249 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,400 thing went on in Soviet Russia, we would have laughed about how 250 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,960 how ludicrous it was this kind of show trial. 251 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,120 How on earth is somebody supposed to be able to defend 252 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,560 themselves if the evidence presented before them, you know, 253 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,320 they're not, they're not made aware of it. 254 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,240 But of course, Mr Ansari's real crime is that together with the 255 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:13,560 barrister Frank McGinnis, they are challenging the prescription 256 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,120 of Hamas, including the political wing. 257 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,640 Let's remember that Hamas is not prescribed in the vast majority 258 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,080 of countries around the world where it is regarded as a 259 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,360 legitimate either the legitimate government of Gaza where it was 260 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,480 elected, or at least at the very least a legitimate political 261 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,280 organisation. But after years of lobbying by 262 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,720 the Israel lobby in the UK, it was prescribed as a terrorist 263 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,480 organisation and therefore anybody seeking to represent it 264 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,960 is also in the cross hairs of the UK national security state. 265 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,960 Yes, and just briefly, we just got a few seconds left, but I'll 266 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,200 bring this Justice Snow offhanded comment here. 267 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,080 Basil, bring this up on screen. I'm satisfied that the time is 268 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,320 sufficient. 36 minutes per case in these massive show trials. 269 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,560 I am. I'm not going to give any more 270 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,520 time. Your only remedy is the High 271 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,840 Court. It's a bit harsh, isn't it, 272 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,600 Basil? I mean to say the least. 273 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,960 Well this is absolutely ludicrous and completes this 274 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,720 trifecta of miscarriages of justice in motion. 275 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:27,480 It's been decided that the defendants of the recent 276 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,560 Palestine action protests who held up innocuous signs saying I 277 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,520 oppose genocide, I support Palestine action. 278 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,200 Yes, the 70 something clergyman, assorted Quakers, peace 279 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:43,120 campaigners and the rest are to be tried in batches of five at a 280 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,360 time, each defendant given no more than 36 minutes and 281 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,280 crucially only in front of a judge, no jury. 282 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:55,200 So this is a mass show trial. Again, Soviet S and remains to 283 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,960 be seen whether or not there's a legal challenge to this because 284 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,800 of course we've also got the question of the judicial review 285 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,680 of the prescription of Palestine action that's due to go ahead 286 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,480 after the government was defeated last week. 287 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,560 It's challenge to the judicial review. 288 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:15,319 The idea is that they want to try and get people convicted 289 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,560 before the ban is overturned because the likelihood is it 290 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,839 will be overturned because it is a misuse of of the Terrorism Act 291 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:25,599 once again. It's extraordinary. 292 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,160 Basil Valentine, thank you for this analysis. 293 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,280 And we, we will reconnect with you during the extra time after 294 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,200 the programme. So for our viewers, Basil will 295 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,560 be rejoining us after the main news programme. 296 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,720 Thank you very much Basil for that. 297 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,640 OK, now let's move on then to Professor David Miller. 298 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,680 Now he's defending an ongoing case brought by the so called 299 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,480 campaign against anti Semitism for 4X posts which they claim 300 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,400 were menacing. Now just want to show his 301 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,360 crowdfunder on screen here. Apparently not on one of the 302 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:04,520 major platforms, but we'll come on to this again in a second. 303 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,400 David posted on XA couple of days ago. 304 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,360 I've just won a significant victory against the comically 305 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:14,840 named Campaign Against Anti Semitism at Westminster 306 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,120 Magistrates Court. The CIA is attempting to mount a 307 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:21,160 private prosecution against me for sending 4 supposedly 308 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,720 menacing posts on X. But today the judge ruled that 309 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,080 the CIA had withheld significant information with the court when 310 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,840 they had originally applied for the summons against me. 311 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,720 Then I have 28 days to comply with an order to disclose all 312 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,160 relevant communications between their directors, trustees and 313 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,440 staff on the question of whether they were seeking to silence me 314 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,960 or to undermine my Employment Appeal Tribunal, which is 315 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,160 scheduled for next month. So David joins us now to discuss 316 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,040 this. Welcome to the programme, David. 317 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,840 Just give us some more detail on what's happening in the court. 318 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,960 So in my specific case, the the case of the the campaign against 319 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,440 Anti Semitism, which is acting as a private prosecutor to take 320 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,200 me to court for these 4 posts on X which are said to be menacing. 321 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,720 Now I should say, because it's relevant that this is under the 322 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,800 Communications Act of 2003, Section 127, and that's the 323 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,680 exactly the same section which the Metropolitan Police have 324 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,440 charged or are going to charge a Rama. 325 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,320 I'll add one with with some of her posts. 326 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,000 So that's a very interesting development because it shows, I 327 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:37,400 think the police are more evidence of the police being 328 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,000 pressured by the CAA and taking on really quite ludicrous and 329 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,720 obscure legal powers in an attempt to stop people from 330 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,880 speaking out about the genocide. So that's that's one thing to 331 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,280 note. Now these 4 posts they are 332 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,960 suggesting that what although I called for the maximum 333 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,640 accountability under the law. Of Zionists in this country and 334 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,920 in other countries that what I really meant by that was in my 335 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,200 mind or what I intended to communicate was that that really 336 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,440 that people should find Zionists and or Jews and attack them. 337 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,680 Now, of course, that, that wasn't what was in my mind, that 338 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,280 wasn't what I said. And we will see that when we, 339 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,680 when we, when or if we get to an actual trial. 340 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:25,760 But the, the, the slight complexity here is that because 341 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:29,640 they have been, as they've publicly said, monitoring me for 342 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,360 many years, trying to have me sacked for my job at the 343 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:33,840 University of Bristol. At the time. 344 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:38,800 They, they paid for students to threaten the university with 345 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,280 legal action and many other things that they've done, 346 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,680 including, of course, reportedly to the police for alleged 347 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,720 crimes, which the police declined to pursue because they 348 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,200 were obviously ludicrous. So all of that information 349 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,000 wasn't given to the court when the court issued the summons 350 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,120 against me. And so the judge in this case 351 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:04,040 determined that they were. They ought to go back and look 352 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,680 at their files for the extent to which their staff and their 353 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,000 trustees and their directors have been colluding against me. 354 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,520 And we should, we should remark at this point that of course 355 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,880 their trustees and their directors are not a matter of 356 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,800 public record. Unusually for a charity, they 357 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,520 have a dispensation not to release the names of the 358 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,000 trustees. And really very, very unusually 359 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,560 for Companies House, they have a a similar dispensation for their 360 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,960 director. So I don't know who it is that's 361 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,080 prosecuting me. I don't know who the relevant 362 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,800 control in mind and the campaign against anti semitism is. 363 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,640 And so that's all part of our case. 364 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:48,120 So we, we now have a 28 days for them to release this information 365 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:52,480 and for us to then go back to court on the date of the 15th of 366 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,680 December, which would have been the first day of the trial. 367 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,560 But the trial has now been pushed back on the 15th of 368 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,400 December. We will deter, we will hear the 369 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,880 case being put by the CAA and by my lawyers. 370 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,520 The CAA are putting in a case that I am a person of 371 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,760 disreputable character. I believe that's the technical 372 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,960 legal term in order they can bring in extra evidence against 373 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,600 me, which is not relevant to the the specific tweets and we are 374 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,360 applying for the case to be simply thrown out because it's a 375 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:28,040 travesty and a joke. Now, the, the reason that I've 376 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,640 said said said some of that at length is because this is all 377 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,080 part when, when you're talking about the three cases that 378 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,840 Patrick referred to as the trifecta to the, the case 379 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,560 against Farhad Ansari, the case against the people who've been 380 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,800 arrested for supporting power actually, and indeed Doctor 381 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,760 Rama's case. There are also, of course, lots 382 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,480 of other cases as we know. And this is an indication of 383 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,120 just how seriously the British state and the the people who are 384 00:22:56,120 --> 00:23:00,080 pressuring them, IE the the regime in Tel Aviv, take 385 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,200 Palestine solidarity activities in this country. 386 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:09,240 They are deliberately trying to decapitate the anti Zionist 387 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,200 movement in this country and to silence us, to stop people from 388 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,920 acting, for example, to de de prescribe Hamas or Palestine 389 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,760 action to stop people like me and Doctor Rami and many others 390 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,440 speaking out. Just the other day, I believe on 391 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,880 Monday this week, we had the case of Sarah Wilkinson, who had 392 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,800 been held under draconian house arrest conditions from months 393 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,160 and months. The police had stolen her 394 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,160 passport and I had not even admitted that they had it. 395 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,360 And she was concerned that they were going to, to remand her. 396 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:43,880 But as it happened, what happened was that she her bail 397 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,480 conditions were lifted, which is good, and her passport was 398 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,120 ordered to be returned to her by the police. 399 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:51,400 So the judge didn't take any nonsense from the police about 400 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,640 that. So that was a victory. 401 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,840 My case was a victory. Also on Friday, the same day as 402 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,520 my case, we had the the other two victories, which was one the 403 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:06,960 the decision that the government was not able to appeal the the 404 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,800 digital review application by Palestine Action. 405 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,840 So that will go forward. And we also had the case of the 406 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:16,240 Instra Precision 10. That's the people who vandalised 407 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,520 the Instra Precision factory, which of course is a subsidiary 408 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,280 of Albert and they won a down grading of their charges. 409 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:27,160 So what we're seeing here is a massive push by the Israelis and 410 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,240 the Zionists and that they're running dogs in this country. 411 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,160 And we're seeing the courts starting to, to throw out quite 412 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,480 a lot of the ridiculous charges which are being brought, not all 413 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,440 of them. And, but, and that's a process 414 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,520 which will continue. But I think we're starting to 415 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,320 see of the anti Zionist case winning much more effectively. 416 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,920 And I think that's the, that's we will see that with, with 417 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,400 Doctor AMA. Although of course the GMC have 418 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,680 acted atrociously and their attempts to get to stop her 419 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,720 speaking, the fact that they put in some 2 pages of the police's 420 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,760 charges against Doctor AMA entirely irrelevant. 421 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,320 And also, of course, the fact that they're effectively trying 422 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,080 to retry her on the same things which which she was cleared of 423 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,760 just four weeks ago, that that I think will probably will not go 424 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,480 well for them in the end because there's such outrage about them. 425 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,120 And of course, it's all a question of the extent to which 426 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,120 the law protects freedom of speech under, under the European 427 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:29,600 Convention. And, and of course, like when we 428 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,680 look at that, that legislation, we know that it does protect it 429 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,760 quite significantly. And many of these cases will 430 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,680 fall. But nevertheless, the Zionists 431 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,760 will keep trying to push again and again to have people 432 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,080 silenced and to have them to struck off or taken from their 433 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,880 jobs, like for example, Farhad or Doctor, I'll add 1. 434 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,000 So that's the, that's the, the position we're in at the moment. 435 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,520 We're starting to win but it's not going to be an easy Rd. 436 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,120 And, and David there there's a term in, in British legal 437 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,520 practise called the vexatious litigant. 438 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,600 And often cases are thrown out if the litigant is deemed to be 439 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,040 vexatious. Other words, they're constantly 440 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,200 badgering the court and stove piping cases into the court. 441 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,680 And, and normally the practise would be just to dismiss. 442 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,680 It doesn't have standing it. It is these, these Zionist cases 443 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,720 and the ones that you're being targeted by, are they, are they 444 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,840 in danger of coming under this term, vexatious litigant now? 445 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,800 They are in danger of coming under that. 446 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,680 The question is whether the courts have the the backbone and 447 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,800 the wherewithal to simply reject the nonsense that which they are 448 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,120 being bombarded with. I mean the the, the 449 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,960 organisations which are doing this, the campaign against anti 450 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,800 Semitism, the UK lawyers for Israel, both of them involved in 451 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,840 Doctor Al Adwan's case. I mean, in her case, the the GM 452 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:57,440 CS legal submissions yesterday pushed back against her defence 453 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,640 team saying that they had been bounced into this by the 454 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,600 Zionists and they said Oh well no, that that's not true. 455 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,280 Our decision to do this was taken before the CAA lodged its 456 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,400 letter before action. So therefore we'd already taken 457 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,760 the decision and they go on to say on the basis of complaints 458 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,440 made by the CAA and the UK lawyers for Israel. 459 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,200 So they were, you know, on the one hand, slight trying to deny 460 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,520 what they actually admitted in the rest of the paragraph. 461 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,440 They have been assaulted by Zionist groups and indeed by the 462 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,960 Zionist assets in government. I'm talking in particular about 463 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,440 where Streeting, who has disgracefully helped to bounce 464 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,840 that this case along. So yeah, we're facing the 465 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,640 possibility of a collapse of these Zionist actions, but but 466 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,680 we're not going to get it just in a very straightforward way. 467 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,400 It's going to be a question of multiple cases of defeat for 468 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,040 them, at which point it will become clear how ridiculous and 469 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,920 overreaching they have been. Yeah. 470 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,880 And that's certainly your comment on that. 471 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,880 Yeah. I mean, yeah. 472 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,480 So, so you know, final question, David, I'm just interested to 473 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,840 know why you think that the courts are willing to, to reject 474 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,800 these claims? Because with the with the state 475 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:18,240 being so pro Zionist and so pro Israel at the moment, is, is the 476 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,280 judiciary really attempting to show some kind of independence 477 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,640 here? Well, I think that that's that's 478 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,840 the case though. I mean, what you've see with 479 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,800 many of these cases is that they're so outrageous that it's, 480 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,440 they're only, they're only got to the stage that they have by 481 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,400 the fact that the police are effectively in the pockets of 482 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,800 the Zionists. And indeed, as we saw with the, 483 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,560 the GMC case, the, the, the, the person who's made this decision 484 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:51,000 to refer Doctor Al Adwan to the, the tribunal has, has just 485 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,480 parroted Zionist talking points. But when you get to the, the 486 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,640 level of of the judiciary, even the senior judiciary who may be 487 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:05,600 sympathetic to Zionism more generally, the it's, it's such a 488 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,640 breach of the the usual procedures that they feel in 489 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,680 some, some cases they have to reject some of these 490 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,480 overreaches. David, thank you very much for 491 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,360 joining us today. It's been a very interesting 492 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,400 conversation, but then thanks to Basil as well. 493 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,800 So, so look, just just to to end this, I just want to show your 494 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,120 crowdfunding page again here. And so let's have a look at this 495 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,520 and I'll just bring the, the amount of money raised so far. 496 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,160 So you're what about 40% towards the goal of 50,000 lbs. 497 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,880 So the the link to this will be in the show notes. 498 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,560 If anybody's able to offer David some support there, that would 499 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,560 be massively appreciated. But thank you very much, David, 500 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,920 for joining us. OK, look, we've got to, we've 501 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,440 got to move on. And so I'm just going to say, 502 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,840 first of all, thank you very much to everybody who is 503 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,080 supporting the UK column and the work that we do. 504 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,440 We do need your support. If you have a look on the front 505 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,600 page of the UK column website here, there is an option to head 506 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,800 over to the support page and the various opportunities or options 507 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,160 to to help us out. If you can't help us 508 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,000 financially, please do help us by sharing any of the material 509 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,880 you find on the website on social media because that helps 510 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,160 us deal with the censorship regime that we are under as 511 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,520 well. Now tonight at 7:00 PM, Charles 512 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,000 and I are speaking the germ once again for our weekly banter 513 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,520 session. I think this is absolutely 18 514 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,240 already. It's quite amazing how quickly 515 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,000 this is going by. So join us for that at 7:00 PM 516 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,560 tonight. ESA Bloomy I was speaking to 517 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,040 earlier in the week and this went out on the live stream at 518 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,240 1:00 PM yesterday. So Dan, another forgotten war. 519 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,240 Very interesting conversation with ESA. 520 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,600 And please, if you haven't seen that yet, do have a look at that 521 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,520 and and let's see and share it if you possibly can as well. 522 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,160 And finally, sticking with the digital ID issue here, another 523 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,400 week in Glasgow and another demonstration tomorrow at 524 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,480 midday, meeting at midday at the bottom of Jamaica St by the 525 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,720 River Clyde near the Crystal Palace pub and Central station. 526 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,720 If you'd like to go and support this group of people that are 527 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,760 out every weekend now to to draw attention to this issue and 528 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,440 please do so. OK now let's move on then to the 529 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,680 the Bloody Sunday issue because yesterday Soldier F was found 530 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,160 not guilty of murder as a result of the killings of civilians in 531 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,360 the Barkside in Londonderry on the 30th of January 1972. 532 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,760 Now we'll just put on screen some an idea of what happened on 533 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,360 the day there was a civil rights March. 534 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,800 But British soldiers of the First Battalion of the Parachute 535 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,080 Regiment opened fire on apparently unarmed civilians 536 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,760 taking part in this civil rights March on the Bogside. 537 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,760 And of course, that's predominantly Catholic area of 538 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,480 Derry. And the March had, as you can 539 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,800 see on screen, well, as you will see in the second, it turned 540 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,880 into a bit of a riot at some point. 541 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,600 Now the parish shot a total of 26 people on the day, thirteen 542 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,000 of whom died. A 14th person died several 543 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,440 months later. This was the highest number of 544 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,600 people killed in a single incident during the 30 years of 545 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,880 the Troubles. But The thing is that the 546 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,720 marchers killed and injured, they were unarmed, but there 547 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,880 were others there as well, including Martin McGuinness and 548 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,360 now the Savile inquiry. And that's not anything to do 549 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,640 with Jimmy Savile. That was the the judicial 550 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,520 inquiry into the Bloody Sunday incident. 551 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,120 They found that McGuinness had been armed with a Thompson 552 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,440 machine gun on the day and though they could not say 553 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,960 definitively that McGuinness had fired the first shot, there had 554 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,560 been witness testimony given to the Savile inquiry that 555 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,040 McGuinness had himself said that he had fired the first shot. 556 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,240 But he who when the Savile Inquiry was taking place, he was 557 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,840 education secretary in Northern Ireland at the time, he 558 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,600 vehemently denied having said that. 559 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,320 The Colonel in charge of the British operation that day said 560 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,560 on the day as part of this ITN report that you're seeing on 561 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,040 screen at the moment that there were three shooters and that 562 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,720 that's why the Paris opened fire. 563 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,800 The Salvo inquiry rejected that account when it was repeated at 564 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,800 the inquiry because of lack of evidence. 565 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,000 But just to give an idea of of what happened, we have a little 566 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,920 another little bit of video here that we want to just show. 567 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:44,200 So let's have a look at this. The organisers of this civil 568 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,120 rights March promised that they would be non violent. 569 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,680 The army have said throughout the day that they hope to use 570 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,760 minimum force. But three hours after the 571 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,600 procession began, this has ended up as dusk comes onto the 572 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,120 Bogside as the worst ever confrontation between the army 573 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,560 and the Catholic people of the Kragen and Bogside We. 574 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,239 Do not tie back for the moment unless you identify politics. 575 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,080 Don't know what your thoughts are so far. 576 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,719 Well, and just obviously the amount of time that's passed and 577 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,880 how long this has been litigated is quite an extraordinary thing 578 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,840 in itself. Absolutely. 579 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,719 But I want to direct your attention to two articles 580 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,120 published by John Waters on his sub stack. 581 00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,960 He didn't write these, but he has published them. 582 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,679 And the first one is this one. Sorry, we'll go back to that 583 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,320 one. The I've mentioned this one 584 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,320 before how British intelligence planned the Irish Troubles of 585 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,280 1968 to 1998 and used Provo fake patriots to achieve the 586 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,159 ruination of Ireland. The conclusion of this article 587 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:59,360 says that Curious Facts includes an Englishman and probably MI 5 588 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,200 + 6 agent becoming the first Provisional IRA Chief of Staff 589 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,600 in 1969 to 73 and Martin McGuinness being the Provisional 590 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,920 IRA second in command in Derry on Bloody Sunday, aged only 21 591 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,760 in January 1972. Goes on to say that in May 2006, 592 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,880 about eight years after the Good Friday Agreement, ex British FRU 593 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,680 agent Ian Hurst alleged that McGinnis was, was and remained a 594 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,040 British MI 6 agent code named J 118. 595 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,320 And he goes on to say that the only logical explanation is that 596 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,200 MI 5, MI 6 created the Provisional IRA in December 597 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,320 1969. It's a civilian targeting 598 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,440 offshoot from the more sensible strictly military official IRA 599 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,440 and deployed it as a controlled opposition to study new 600 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,280 terrorist warfare methods and better prepare it's Zionist War 601 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,960 on Terror already planned from circa 1960. 602 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,880 I Part 2 of this article has now been published, headlined. 603 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,360 Well you can see on screen the Para MI 6 Conspiracy Part 2 and 604 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,600 it. In it the writer talks about the 605 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,640 compartmentalised cell structure of the Provisional IRA, which 606 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,320 quotes made it semi hierarchical or semi autonomous. 607 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,200 But this only made the British regime more intent on 608 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,480 infiltrating all levels of Para, not just the top as shown below. 609 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,080 They he goes on to say that you're afraid of view the 610 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,080 Provisional IRA as either just extensively penetrated by MI 5 611 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,440 and MI 6 or else as a full agency of MI 5 or MI 6. 612 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,560 The power was linked to drug running and the Bank of England 613 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,640 was its main vehicle to launder drug profits over 1 billion of 614 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,160 over £1 billion. All the evidence proves beyond 615 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,280 doubt that MI 5 and 6 ran both sides of the Irish trouble 616 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,520 troubles in of 1968 to 98 and kept them going for an 617 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,960 incredible 30 years. Today the Irish people are split 618 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,920 into two main factions or schools of thought, but 70% of 619 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,200 people believe that power was a full agency of MI five and six 620 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,440 since its inception in December 1969. 621 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,640 About 30% believe that PARA and Sinn Fein were merely undermined 622 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,600 by MI 5 and 6 blackmail spies and agents. 623 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,960 And so just it's a great example I think of of how gangs and 624 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,880 counter gangs are created, how they're used, how they're 625 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,440 manipulated and so on. I'm just going to bring on 626 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,640 screen Kitson's book again. We've mentioned it the last time 627 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,360 we talked about this, gangs and counter gangs. 628 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,960 And you know the the in this he's arguing that when 629 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,840 insurgents enjoy the support or at least acquiescence of 630 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,880 population, that conventional military tactics aren't 631 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,880 sufficient. And therefore he's talking about 632 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,360 a system of intelligence gathering, infiltration, 633 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,840 deception, turning insurgents or sympathisers into trackers and 634 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,240 informers, creating pseudo gangs and insurgent groups, and 635 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,720 conducting psychological and covert operations on 636 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,520 populations. That book is quite historical in 637 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,200 context because it's talking about Mau. 638 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,920 Activities. And rebellion and so on. 639 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,760 There was another book, Kenya, yes, if we just bring this back 640 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,000 on screen. The other book which is more 641 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,600 analytical about the actual techniques themselves is this 642 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,880 one, Low Intensity Operations, Subversion, Insurgency and 643 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,840 Peacekeeping. I just strongly recommend that 644 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,040 people read both of those. Well, these many will argue, 645 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,000 Mike, these are the blueprints for al Qaeda, for how to design 646 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,640 and operate al Qaeda cells. False flags are a big part of 647 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,240 that deception and a big part of those stage provocation. 648 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:37,000 So false flags, propaganda, all of these things, spreading lies 649 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,320 about 40 beheaded babies, that sort of thing. 650 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,040 This is all part of that practise. 651 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,720 So it required reading gangs and counter gangs and low intensity 652 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,480 operations. You know, if you, you look at 653 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,120 history and you discount the Mike, the role of the state in 654 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,400 covert operations and subterfuge, it's a totally 655 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,720 different version of history. And, and constantly our 656 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:01,400 establishment, our education system, our media, our 657 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,200 politicians want to strip out the role of clandestine agencies 658 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:08,160 in Western countries. And if you do that, you get a 659 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,560 completely different narrative. And that's the narrative that's 660 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,440 foisted upon us constantly. But you you'll be more well 661 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,800 equipped to understand these things if you read books like 662 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,480 this. Absolutely. 663 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,800 Now let's move on to Israel. And well, they held a vote in 664 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,960 the Knesset. What was the vote about Patrick? 665 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,160 No press coverage for this one, Mike. 666 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,160 We'll bring this up on screen. Surprise, surprise, you probably 667 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,800 haven't heard about it because everybody's blanked it in the 668 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,960 Western mainstream media. Israeli parliament advances bill 669 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,200 to annex the occupied West Bank. Isn't this the same occupied 670 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,120 West Bank? Trump said. 671 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,400 That'll never happen. It's never going to happen. 672 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,160 I won't let it happen. Well, it's looks like it's 673 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,080 happening, but JD Vance is basically caught on his back 674 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,080 heels here, and I think people should look in and see if he's 675 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,600 doing OK this week. Here's Vance responding to this. 676 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,640 When I asked about it, somebody told me that it was a political 677 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,600 stunt, that it had no practical significance. 678 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,960 It was purely symbolic. I mean, look, if it was a 679 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,280 political stunt, it was a very stupid political stunt, and I 680 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,080 personally take some insult to it. 681 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,880 The West Bank is not going to be annexed by Israel. 682 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,520 The policy of the Trump administration is that the West 683 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,400 Bank will not be annexed by Israel. 684 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,280 That will continue to be our policy. 685 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,000 And if people want to take symbolic votes, they can do 686 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,080 that. But but we certainly weren't 687 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,280 happy about it. Do you think Israel cares what 688 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,120 JD Vance thinks about annexing the West Bank? 689 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,400 Or Trump, for that matter. Or carpet bombing Gaza or 690 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,840 ethnically cleansing Gaza. They don't care, obviously. 691 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,960 So they're living in a delusional fantasy land there in 692 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,000 Washington. But we'll keep an eye on that 693 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,440 story. Yes, indeed. 694 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,440 OK, let's move on to Trump and Putin and Ukraine and so on. 695 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,840 So Donald Trump announced on the 16th of October that he and 696 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,560 Vladimir Putin would meet in Budapest in Hungary within two 697 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,120 weeks or so for his second summit. 698 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,240 That's following the summit that we reported on a few weeks ago. 699 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,240 The announcement came the same day he met with Zelensky in 700 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,440 Washington. And Trump claimed that that 701 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,080 meeting was very cordial. Was it Patrick? 702 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,320 Well, I don't know. I don't know, but certainly it 703 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,240 hasn't been a follow up meeting. So maybe it wasn't, maybe it 704 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:24,000 was. Who knows? 705 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,120 Right. Well, indeed. 706 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,960 So anyway, this appears to have created immediate panic amongst 707 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,800 European leaders and within a couple of days NATO Secretary 708 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,920 General Mark Ruta appeared in Washington to discuss quotes 709 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,320 NATO's support for securing an end to the war in Ukraine and a 710 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,440 just and lasting peace. Well, we know that that's a lie. 711 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,400 But anyway, it sort of highlighted the role that NATO 712 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,560 plays in providing, or at least he was attempting to highlight 713 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,120 the role that NATO plays in providing military assistance to 714 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,640 Ukraine that supports the Ukraine's ability to defend 715 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,920 itself and deter against future, future aggression. 716 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,440 This is the kind of language that they use. 717 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,560 And so this includes, of course, aid through the prioritised 718 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,840 Ukraine requirements list, through which US equipment 719 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,040 funded by NATO is supplied to Ukraine. 720 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,640 I Rudder said that his NATO colleagues, quote, want to help 721 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:22,960 Trump bring peace between Ukraine and Russia. 722 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,760 I suspect that's another lie, But let's just have a quick look 723 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,440 at how he wanted to help. Mr. President. 724 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,680 Can you tell us a little bit about? 725 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,320 Why you're elevating? Sanctions against Russia right 726 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,200 now? What's the? 727 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,760 I just felt it was time. Waited a long time. 728 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,760 I thought that we'd go long before the Middle East. 729 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,840 Would you have a timeline? For. 730 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,600 When you think the. Story is going to be over. 731 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,720 Because of your leadership, you can't have it in war. 732 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:51,000 It's hard to have a timeline, you know? 733 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,160 What the president is doing today with the sanctions is 734 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,040 putting more pressure, of course, on both parts, in this 735 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,560 case on Russia. It's all about changing the 736 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,480 calculus. Making sure that Putin 737 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,000 understands that the president's vision this weekend of having a 738 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,680 ceasefire stop where they are, as you literally said, that this 739 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,880 has to be. Step one now. 740 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,040 And for him to really accept that vision and to come to the 741 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:22,600 table. Yeah, OK. 742 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,200 Well, look, we, we, we've got a bit of a pre emptive comment 743 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,760 there about sanctions. We'll come on to that in a 744 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,680 second. But no sooner had that meeting 745 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,880 happened with Ruta absolutely encouraging more support for 746 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,840 Ukraine and the continuation of the war, effectively no sooner 747 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,440 at that meeting happened and Trump announced we cancelled the 748 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,960 meeting with President Putin. It just didn't feel right to me. 749 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,600 It didn't feel like we were going to get to the place we 750 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,400 wanted to get. So I cancelled it. 751 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,400 And then he said a bit under, you know, a bit less 752 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,560 convincingly, but we'll do it in the future. 753 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,000 Well, will they? That remains to be seen. 754 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,720 So this was despite telling the press just 24 hours previously 755 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:06,880 that he had not cancelled his plan to meet with Putin but 756 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,800 would announce something in the next two days. 757 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,240 So he certainly announced something, but it wasn't what he 758 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:12,480 was suggesting he was going to announce. 759 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,640 Well, I didn't check the press releases this morning, Mike. 760 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,480 He could have changed his mind by this morning, but maybe by 761 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,760 Monday he'll flip flop again. This is how Trump is working. 762 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,760 Absolutely. But as we just heard in the 763 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,880 video clip, also announced while Ruto was there are the new 764 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,360 sanctions against Russia. Now, it's true that sanctions, 765 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,840 excuse me, the sanctions that have been, that are basically 766 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,240 announced almost daily now have been pretty ineffective so far. 767 00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:39,880 But Patrick, maybe these have teeth because they're 768 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,280 sanctioning Russia's two largest oil producers directly, that's 769 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,680 Rosneft and Lukoil. And between them, they export 770 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,960 3.1 million barrels of oil per day. 771 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,040 And the biggest customers of these companies are China and 772 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,360 India. So what are your thoughts on? 773 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,720 That well, this is serious. That's that's between Rosneft 774 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,640 and Luko. That's 5% of the global oil 775 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,080 output. This is a huge amount and prices 776 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,520 also, well as you as we'll show on screen here, prices have 777 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,560 spiked immediately on the announcement of sanctions. 778 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,400 So that's a significant 5% rise that's running around $5 a 779 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,560 barrel or something, who knows. But, but I think right now it's 780 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,520 interesting like we look at the oil markets that Brent crude 781 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:27,280 even with this price spike is trading at $66 per barrel. 782 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,800 This is not particularly high in in comparison to previous years, 783 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,360 but it's interesting. Well, we'll come back to what 784 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,680 Russia thinks about this in a moment. 785 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,120 But well, President Putin, his defiant, this is Reuters here, 786 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,680 defiant after Trump sanctions Russian oil companies over 787 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,920 Ukraine. And yes, he's talking, as you 788 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,280 mentioned, Mike, Luke oil and Rosneft here. 789 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,080 These are the big hitters in the Russian oil industry. 790 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,560 And here's what Putin said, particularly regarding Trump's 791 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,320 threats and the sanctions. He's saying this is of course an 792 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,160 attempt to put pressure on Russia, but no self respecting 793 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,360 country and no self respecting people ever decides anything 794 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,000 under pressure. And we've spoken about this game 795 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,080 theory and sanctions previously, haven't we? 796 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,680 It never works. You cannot, you cannot get, you 797 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,520 cannot change the behaviour of a target country if there is an 798 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,840 implicit threat of aggression down the road. 799 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,720 So there's no good faith in negotiation so that you're not 800 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:25,960 going to change Russia's behaviour. 801 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,240 What it will do probably might just cause turmoil in the global 802 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,680 economy. It might even further raise the 803 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,480 price of oil and I'll show you who benefits from that in a 804 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,160 minute. But this is serious though. 805 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,080 Look at this. This is China, China's state oil 806 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,040 major suspend purchases of Russian oil due to sanctions. 807 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,320 Now this is a major thing for Russia. 808 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,120 It's definitely going to cause tightening in the short term and 809 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,120 it doesn't end there. Russia at war faces double 810 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,440 trade, Trump ultimatum and a hit to oil sales to India. 811 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,560 So if the big players, as you said, Mike, China and India. 812 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,520 But what's interesting, and Russia says, Mike, that, you 813 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,480 know, experts are saying that the the rise in oil prices is 814 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,040 expected, that guess who said this? 815 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,880 Amos Huxstein said that Russia will recover its losses because 816 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,600 of the rise in global price. So it's they're going to end up 817 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,160 with the same amount of money potentially by the end of this. 818 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,880 That's Amos Huxstein, Biden's oil advisor and Middle East 819 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,480 envoy for Trump saying that. So, you know, be that as it may. 820 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,720 Well, look, Trump was asked about you talked about Putin's 821 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,920 response there a second ago. Trump was asked about that. 822 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,440 So let's just have a listen to his response, President. 823 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,800 Thank you, President. President Putin basically said 824 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,000 today that Russia is immune from U.S. sanctions. 825 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,520 He said that it would not impact the Russian economy in any 826 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,640 serious way. Is he? 827 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,360 Wrong. I'm glad he feels that way. 828 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,360 That's good. I'll let you know about it in 829 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,200 six months from now. OK, let's see. 830 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,920 Let's see how it all works out. So how do you think it's all 831 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,160 going to work out? Well, Trump's confident that 832 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,680 it's all going to fall apart in six months and he can do a 833 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,320 victory lap and declare that he's a he is a stable genius 834 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,880 that we all suspect that he was. We'll see. 835 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,760 We'll see how how sanctions done against Russia over the last. 836 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,120 Well, they they've done very well for Russia. 837 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,680 It hasn't hurt Russia in the least, has it? 838 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,280 So I don't know, would you bet against Russia with their record 839 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,120 of busting sanctions in the last four years? 840 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,520 I wouldn't. Well, yeah, indeed. 841 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,280 Well, to to make matters worse and, and what I know you, you're 842 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,760 probably going to describe as a Nord Stream moment in a second, 843 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,000 Patrick, in parallel with all of this, oil refineries in Romania 844 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,640 and Hungary were blown up, apparently by saboteurs because 845 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,720 both of them process Russian oil. 846 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:46,000 That's Hungary and Romania. Ukraine is being blamed just 847 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,400 like Nord Stream. But remember, Trump and Putin's 848 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,200 meeting were supposed to be in Budapest. 849 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,680 But I'm sure that's all just a coincidence. 850 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,520 Well, certainly Carol Dmitriev here is suggesting that it's not 851 00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,280 a coincidence. He was tweeting this out a 852 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,760 couple of days ago. Hungary under the attack for 853 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,640 working on a peace summit. Question mark. 854 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,320 I think that is a good question to ask. 855 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:06,840 Yeah. And it's just coming. 856 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,280 This is also coming on the heels of the attack on the DRSBA 857 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,800 pipelines, which were attacked just what, last month or the 858 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,080 weeks before And those were those, the pipelines carrying 859 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:24,080 oil product to to Hungary and to Slovakia and of course, Ukraine 860 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,400 being the culprit here. The details of this are in the 861 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,400 stunning analysis here by Freddie Ponton at 21st Century 862 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,840 Wire. Hungary and Romania refinery 863 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,360 fires. Sabotage or negligence? 864 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,160 Well, it looks like it's pointing towards negligence and 865 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,680 he's saying that this is basically like the Nordstrom 866 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,040 sabotage. Pretty much the same play there. 867 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,240 And is it Ukraine, is it NATO, Is it British special forces? 868 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,520 We don't know. We might find out at some point. 869 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,360 But on the Nord Stream, it's so convenient that this happens 870 00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,320 exactly the moment that Germany raises an an Interpol, probably 871 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,520 an Interpol or Red Notice for this Ukrainian saboteur of Nord 872 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,880 Stream, allegedly in Poland. And Poland basically does 873 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,080 doesn't want to extradite him to Germany. 874 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,680 Those are two EU countries. So Poland's basically said stuff 875 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,400 it to Germany and letting this guy go. 876 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,800 So I personally, Mike, my feeling is this is the Ukrainian 877 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,840 divers story is a red herring story of four bow tops that the 878 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,520 fact that NATO did the Nordstrom sabotage over the course of 879 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,440 three drills that that summer and fall of 2022. 880 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,800 But this conveniently puts this one right under the rug. 881 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,360 It's just incredible how they have managed to engineer this 882 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,760 one. So it's it just as Nordstrom is 883 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,640 just being completely deep sixed right now on ice, then they go 884 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,640 and hit all these other refineries and pipelines. 885 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,400 So I mean, come on, there's there's, there's a lot more 886 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,160 going on here. We'll get to the bottom of it 887 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,840 eventually. It'll be a shame if some damning 888 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,280 evidence surfaced about Nordstrom over the next six 889 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,120 months. So that would be so unfortunate. 890 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,560 But anyway, we'll keep our eyes on it. 891 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,960 Okay, where does that take us then? 892 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,360 Well, well, this takes us back to Hungary. 893 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,680 And look at this, Victor Orbans coming out swinging on this. 894 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,680 He tweeted this out here yesterday, the day of the 895 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,000 Budapest Peace March, Largest peace March in Europe, right 896 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,880 right there in Hungary today we send a message to the whole 897 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,840 world. Hungary says no to war. 898 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,640 We will not die for Ukraine. Wow, strong words. 899 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,680 We're not send our children to the slaughterhouse at Brussels 900 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,840 command. And just this is one of the 901 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:40,080 images that came up there translated here is we won't die 902 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,960 for Ukraine. That's from that peace rally 903 00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:45,440 right there. Here's Viktor Orban giving a 904 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,920 speech afterwards at the at the rallying point. 905 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,040 Listen closely. He is evoking very strong 906 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,760 historic European themes. Watch. 907 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,120 The largest political force of Hungary. 908 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,320 My name what you claim at Mexala, Charlotte, Brucelle, 909 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:33,920 Edignam, Tuta, El Fogloni, Budapest that most name of the 910 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:56,560 as a Marshall Emilio Ember Odo ES mega chair. 911 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,720 It's very strong words, yes. So he's evoking World War One 912 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,880 and World War 2, and basically, do you see any other European 913 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,360 leaders making that sort of strong statement against a war? 914 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,280 He's right on the front line as well. 915 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,600 Isn't it interesting? All of the hawkish voices are 916 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,120 coming from far afield. Find that interest. 917 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,200 He won't be baking any friends in Brussels, as he said in that 918 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,360 you know it's. It's he doesn't have any left 919 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,360 anyway. Well, that's true. 920 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,120 He's got nothing to lose. So Viktor Orban and I have to 921 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,920 give him credit for taking the lead on this. 922 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,560 It's quite, quite an amazing story. 923 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,120 Well, look, we've mentioned earlier that the potential of 924 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,680 Trump meeting Putin for a second time was causing panic in 925 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,440 Europe. Well, here's another example of 926 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,160 it. But, well, admittedly, this is a 927 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,360 Bloomberg report and they're citing the usual unnamed sources 928 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,240 or at least people familiar with the matter. 929 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,760 So they said that Ukraine and Europe have prepared a 12 point 930 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,600 peace plan that's going to roll out any territorial concessions 931 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,400 to Russia. It is imitating to some degree 932 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,360 Trump's board of peace for Gaza because they're calling it a 933 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,840 peace board. And it'll include a peace board, 934 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,960 which they expect Trump to also chair, by the way. 935 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,240 And they plan on sending a contingent to Washington this 936 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,120 week, I guess, to meet with Trump. 937 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:31,480 And it's it's apparently includes A ceasefire along the 938 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,520 current front lines. Ukraine would get security 939 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,200 guarantees. We're back to the security 940 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:37,920 guarantee. Boots on the ground thing. 941 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,120 European military providing peacekeeper role of some kind 942 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,320 and fast tracked EU accession. Wasn't EU accession one of the 943 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,080 problems that Russia had? Not well, not necessarily. 944 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,360 I mean it, it probably would be now, but it was mainly the NATO 945 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,560 issue. But, you know, does the EU want 946 00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,920 to inherit this basket case, this, this orphaned, truncated, 947 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,400 orphaned rump state? I don't know. 948 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,520 I'm not sure. Peace Board, Mike, this, this 949 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,400 sounds like this kind of in absentia. 950 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,840 They've just formalised the propaganda talking points into a 951 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,560 new board organisation. Hey, look, they might put Tony 952 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,240 Blair in charge of it. How could it go wrong? 953 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,400 Yeah. Then it'll really be successful. 954 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,720 Yeah, I'd say put Blair in charge of this peace board. 955 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,720 Yeah, Anyway, they're saying that that Russia, Crimea, the 956 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,760 the area of Crimea that that Russia is, is considered itself 957 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,640 Russian since 2014. Also, Lukansk, Donetsk, Kirsten 958 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,800 and Zapor, Asia would not be recognised as Russian under this 959 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,040 and Russia and Ukraine would have to negotiate quotes, the 960 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,960 governance of occupied territories. 961 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,080 And so they're attempting to bring this term in. 962 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,360 Where have we heard that before? So they're attempting to sort of 963 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,560 demonise this in some way, it seems by using language like 964 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,880 occupied territories. There's been hypocrisy in that, 965 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,760 I I think. There is, but you know, the 966 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,200 international law that it, it depends how many countries 967 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,880 recognise the new state. So they're they're trying to 968 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,600 basically put it into the same category as Kosovozen. 969 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,160 Kosovo is not recognised by Serbia as a state. 970 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,360 It's a NATO created state that was created at the barrel of a 971 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,720 gun. OK, it's a, it's a pseudo state 972 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,280 created by NATO, but it's not recognised by all its neighbours 973 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,320 and not recognised by all countries in the world. 974 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,720 But I think probably more people will recognise eventually Crimea 975 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,440 and the new territories. Well, Russia recognises it. 976 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,960 That's probably the most consequential, you know, because 977 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,520 it's part of the Russian Federation. 978 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,120 But Russian allies will may end up recognising them as well. 979 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,680 But they have the right to self determination under a UN Article 980 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,480 1 I believe, and the right to self defence when they were 981 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,280 being attacked by the Ukrainian military under Petro Poroshenko 982 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,240 and Zelensky. And that's UN Article 51. 983 00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,240 So does the UN Charter apply to everybody on this planet or only 984 00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:00,280 people the US and NATO wanted to apply to? 985 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,080 That's that's kind of a fundamental question. 986 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,360 I think it's supposed to be the former and in reality it's it's 987 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,080 the latter. But look, this this so called 988 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,480 peace plan, it's, it's designed to fail. 989 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,240 It seems to me it's designed to fail. 990 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:16,360 But of course, it's just like is going on in Gaza at the moment, 991 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,160 also designed to feel ultimately. 992 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,960 When they have a new Gaza humanitarian organisation coming 993 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,120 in that they wanted to, which is the same as the old one, right, 994 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:30,080 basically, and and Trump wants to put boots on the ground and 995 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,240 in Gaza that that I can't imagine what could possibly go 996 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,720 wrong there. Sounds like such a great idea. 997 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,040 Yeah, indeed. OK, well, look, let's let's 998 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,520 finish today on the issue of digital ID, because earlier 999 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:47,960 today the our illustrious lovely leader, Keir Starmer, the man 1000 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:52,960 that we all love to respect and and we'll really be enthusiastic 1001 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,360 vote for him next time around. He pushed out a little video 1002 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,800 clip this morning to tell us how great it is. 1003 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:04,320 Let's let's have a look at this. So I'm in Brighton today, this 1004 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,320 is Barclays Bank and I've been talking to customers about 1005 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,880 Digital ID and they're really enthusiastic. 1006 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,320 It'll have your basic information on it for everything 1007 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,960 other than proving you've got a right to work. 1008 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,280 It won't be mandatory. You don't have to have it, but 1009 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,160 you can't have it. You can use it for anything that 1010 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,600 requires identification and there are lots of things if you 1011 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,960 want to rent, for example, if you want to apply for a 1012 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,360 mortgage, if you want to get your child into primary school, 1013 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,320 there's a catchment area and you've got to show where you 1014 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,560 live. Proving who you are, what your 1015 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,840 date of birth is. We'll just be able to be done 1016 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,160 with Du Kaleidic. They're really up for it. 1017 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,480 I think once you understand just how much easier it'll make life, 1018 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:48,000 so many more people will be too. So Patrick, I don't know if you 1019 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,560 noticed, but what was missing from that little video clip? 1020 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,520 Well, anybody that he was speaking to, there was no 1021 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,200 comment from any. They didn't get any comment from 1022 00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,880 anybody telling us how great this was. 1023 00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,400 We have to take his word for it that everybody in there thought 1024 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,080 it was a great, a great thing. But I thought it was interesting 1025 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,840 they held it at Barclays Bank because Barclays, the most pro 1026 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,880 Zionist bank with close links to Israel in the UK. 1027 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,240 So that may be just a coincidence, but I don't know if 1028 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,760 you noticed the lie there as well. 1029 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:23,000 Or at least someone was lying because when when he pushed Lisa 1030 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,800 Nandy out to promote this thing on the day that it was 1031 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,240 announced, she said it would be mandatory for everyone in the UK 1032 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,280 to have. It wouldn't be mandatory for 1033 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,880 them to show it if they were a British citizen. 1034 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,240 It was only if you're a foreign national that would be mandatory 1035 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,400 to show it in the event that you were being asked for employment 1036 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,080 status and so on. But in that little video clip, 1037 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,200 he said it wouldn't be mandatory if you're a British citizen. 1038 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,840 So is it that he just doesn't know what's going on, or are 1039 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,040 they just not really certain what the policy is? 1040 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,400 Playing fast and loose, really, with the policy, Mike being a 1041 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,720 little bit vague and arbitrary. He said something interesting 1042 00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:58,560 though. You need it to. 1043 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,640 It'll be great if you're going from neighbourhood to 1044 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,360 neighbourhood to prove that you live somewhere. 1045 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,840 Kind of reminds. Me of letting me see your 1046 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,520 papers? Yes, it really does, and that's 1047 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,840 why people are against it. What happened to British common 1048 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,320 law? Is that no longer a thing? 1049 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,720 That has not been a thing for quite some time now. 1050 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,720 I think the fact that juries are not being allowed on the 26 1051 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,840 minute trials is is a perfect example of how common law is 1052 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,120 thrown in the bin quite some time ago. 1053 01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,440 Sending a precedent there we'll talk about that with Basil 1054 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:32,320 Valentine after during extra about you know about this model 1055 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,480 of these speed speed dating show trials yes that they're they're 1056 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,080 trying to without juries that they're trying to pioneer here 1057 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,280 that's what it looks like to me a a beta test for for. 1058 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,560 Bigger dissent, Absolutely. Absolutely. 1059 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,520 I mean, not that if they put them in prison, they've got 1060 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,720 anywhere to put them, but that's a whole other issue that I'm 1061 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,200 sure they'll resolve some other way. 1062 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,240 But look, we're going to leave it there for today. 1063 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,520 I'm going to say thank you very much to everybody that's been 1064 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,680 watching. Thanks to David Miller, the 1065 01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,560 Basil Valentine to Patrick. Of course, we will be back in a 1066 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,040 couple of minutes here for UK column, member for UK column 1067 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,920 News Extra. Otherwise, Germ tonight at 7:00 1068 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,000 PM. Don't miss it and have a great 1069 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,920 weekend. We'll see you 1:00 PM as usual 1070 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,200 on Monday. See you then. 1071 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:12,720 Bye bye.