1 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:13,680 Good afternoon, today is Monday the 8th of December 2025, just 2 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,520 after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News. 3 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,880 I'm your host Brian Garish, Delighted to have Ben Rubin with 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,200 me in the studio. Delighted to be here, Brian. 5 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:25,160 Thank you. And we're also very pleased to 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,800 have Sandy Adams and Diane Rasmussen joining us by video 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,480 link. Now, I'm just going to say it's 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,000 a cold, wet, somewhat dismal day here in Plymouth. 9 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:38,320 The news, as always in UK, is fairly heavy. 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,200 But we're going to stay with a sense of humour. 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,480 And after all, it's supposed to be that wonderful season leading 12 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:47,240 to Christmas. And we're going to try and keep 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,000 a sparkle in our eyes as we discuss some of the horrors 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,080 going on in UK Today. We're going to be having a look 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:02,600 really at the Finessi verdict for Nathi, child abuse affecting 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,680 thousands of young girls up in Scotland. 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,200 But it also interfaces with what the government says it's trying 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,040 to do with child protection at the moment. 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,160 So there's some interesting nuances there. 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,200 Ben's going to be having a look at COVID crimes and Operation 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,840 Tala. Essentially this is around 22 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,160 crimes that did take place during COVID and the lockdown, 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,880 but now what's coming to light is UK police controlled to make 24 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,440 sure that they toe the government line rather than 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,720 investigate crime. Sandy Adams is also going to be 26 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,320 following through with a look at the police. 27 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:43,960 And this will come in from the angle of devolution and the 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,680 increasing power of mayors. And it's also coupled with 29 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:53,120 courts, with the arrangement of local authorities, where we're 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,920 seeing the smaller local authorities being drawn into 31 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,680 these super councils and super cities. 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:06,720 I'm going to be taking a little look at Chat GPTI, asked a 33 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,840 question about the trans agenda and was really surprised about 34 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,280 what AI had to tell me. And we'll be ending the news 35 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,360 today with a look by Diane at the LGBT agenda. 36 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,520 And Ben, you've got some comment to make on left wing policies. 37 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:26,120 So I think this is going to be pretty interesting news. 38 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,600 Thank you to everybody for joining us wherever you are in 39 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,360 the world. Now, this was the newspaper 40 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,160 article that caught my eye earlier this morning. 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,040 It's the Daily Telegraph. The headline is the important 42 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,160 thing. Don't take any notice of the the 43 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,880 man celebrating his Formula One win, I think that was. 44 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,480 But the headline we're interested in is right wingers 45 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:54,160 branded a danger to children. So once again we can see child 46 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,720 protection powers and organisations coming into the 47 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,920 frame to be used to control what people think. 48 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:05,200 And of course the inference is that if you think right wing, 49 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,640 you're in trouble. Now on screen we've got the BBC 50 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:15,520 headline from 2012, the BBC, One of a number of organisations, 51 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,160 including of course the UK column that pointed out the 52 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,400 disgraceful situation where a UKIP couple, a couple that 53 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,960 supported UKIP, had their foster children taken away directly 54 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,000 because of their political views. 55 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:36,280 So this is the reality of UK so called child protection systems 56 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,360 and organisations are actually being used not to protect the 57 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:47,160 children, but to clamp down on political, political beliefs and 58 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,240 political support, which is immensely dangerous. 59 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,440 And remember of course that as jury, jury trials are smashed to 60 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:02,000 pieces under the Leveson Report and Lammy's latest initiatives. 61 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,360 While that's happening, we've got the precedent of Star 62 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,280 Chambers family courts with just a single judge. 63 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,000 So Diane, I'm going to use that as an introduction to your 64 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,920 segment here on for Nathi. The verdict came out a few days 65 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,360 ago. The women really, really 66 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,360 distressed at what the final result was. 67 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,800 Yes, thanks Brian and hello everyone. 68 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,440 It's great to be here today. Yes, I went on to report on this 69 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,920 for the residential school case which UK column has been 70 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,800 covering for a number of years now. 71 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,400 I attended court both on one day of the the witness testimonies 72 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,160 back in October and I attended last week the sentencing 73 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,000 hearing. Just for those of you who may 74 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,680 not be familiar with the case, this has been a residential 75 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,000 school which was an operation of under Glasgow Corporation and 76 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,360 then Strathclyde Regional Council for the years between 77 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:59,400 1960 and 1991. And the women were abused in 78 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,720 always possible when they were primary school age. 79 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,360 They were from Glasgow and taken up into a very remote area of 80 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,920 Scotland away from their families and held under the 81 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,200 control and the under the state. So they were not in the custody 82 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,960 of their parents at the time, which means that there's 83 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,560 responsibility through Glasgow Corporation for everything that 84 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,800 happened there and now Glasgow City Council. 85 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,920 This teacher, Patricia Robertson or Baxter, was convicted of 18 86 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,160 counts of what they call cruel and a natural treatment at the 87 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,000 High Court, Glasgow, back in October. 88 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,080 And she received her sentencing back in Wednesday last week. 89 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,080 When I was there, and I will just say that the initial 90 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,720 response was shocking. That's the word I can use. 91 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,360 That's more accurate than anything, Nelson. 92 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:49,080 This is because she only received despite abusing several 93 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,480 girls convicted of 18 different girls in this trial and 94 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,680 obviously many more over 14 years for between ending around 95 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:04,040 1984, starting in 1969, she had 18 charges of what they called 96 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,040 cruel and natural treatments of these youngsters when they were 97 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,120 primary school age. So I've, I've spoken with three 98 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,240 women immediately following receiving the sentencing 99 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,240 hearing. So I just want to go through 100 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,160 three videos and we can just hear and see what they went 101 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,880 through and how they experienced it. 102 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,200 So first we'd like to speak with Sharon Cruden, who was one of 103 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,400 the interviews that Brian has done previously with her for Not 104 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,960 the Youth Survivors. I'm disgusted. 105 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,680 She never seemed any remorse. She denies everything. 106 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:44,400 I mean, no, evenly apologise, saying is three years probation. 107 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,080 I mean, what is that? That's nothing. 108 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:51,080 No, compared to what she's done there, he's running and there's 109 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,360 more out there. It's just ridiculous. 110 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,160 What, what do you think about the how the judge approached it? 111 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,920 Because he seemed to admit and say that her crimes were 112 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,400 terrible and then he gave her from the probation. 113 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,920 I was expecting him to say we're sending you to prison. 114 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,520 Yeah, I thought that trust as well. 115 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,400 Like I just thought he was going to go and her favour like for a 116 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,960 conviction for a sentence, but obviously not. 117 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,720 So I just don't understand that. I don't, I mean, just because 118 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,840 you're age, I mean, she's been she's able to have lived her 119 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:30,040 life up to now quite normally, whereas all the victims have had 120 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,400 some sort of impact on her life due to her abuse. 121 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,760 So it's just it's not fair. It's just not fair. 122 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,400 So as we've heard from this, this was really actually very 123 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,160 disgusting. I I should clarify that the 124 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,680 sentence was technically three years probation, which means 125 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,400 that she can't go out between, I believe, the hours of 3:00 PM 126 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,240 and midnight. She has to stay at home. 127 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,160 She can't teach children anymore, which is kind of 128 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,160 ridiculous since she's 77 years old and has been retired for 129 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,160 several years. She also has to pay compensation 130 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,480 to the 18 victims, which is 18,000 lbs within the next 131 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,760 couple of months. And the women that I spoke to 132 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,200 who received those who would receive those 1000 lbs said they 133 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,560 don't even want that because to them that was just an absolute 134 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,480 insult. When we talked in the in the 135 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,560 interview with Sharon, we talked about what Gord Colbeck said, 136 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,640 where he was sort of leading up to saying, well, this was, you 137 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,120 know, absolutely terrible what she did to the women speaking 138 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,200 directly to Patricia Robertson, that the girls were badly 139 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,080 treated. This was over several years. 140 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,000 This was very long term abuse. And so we were all expecting as 141 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,039 we LED into it that there was going to be some elements of, 142 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:44,880 well, maybe she'll get sent to prison, but she didn't get it. 143 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,800 They were saying that it was because she was, it was like her 144 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,280 first conviction. And therefore, they would go a 145 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,240 little bit more lightly based on what they could do. 146 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,400 But then the scope of what was available to them, according to 147 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,000 Judge Lord Colbeck. So let's hear from another lady. 148 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:04,280 This next one is Carol White. I think it's completely wrong. 149 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,920 I think she should have been sent to prison for NFA 150 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,320 residential schools and prison for those young girls that went. 151 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,760 Let's not give any survivors any hope. 152 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:15,000 Why? We should have had hope today. 153 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,600 We should have walked out knowing that she got a 154 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,760 conviction. She should be going to prison 155 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,760 right now and she's walking free. 156 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,040 She should be sharing the same oxygen as us. 157 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,160 Three years probation and 1000 LB for each charge. 158 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:32,280 That's 18,000 lbs. Three years for years of abuse. 159 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,280 Abuse that that that, that that was, that was terrible that the 160 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,280 abuse that we suffered. Of course it was. 161 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,080 She should not be getting away with it. 162 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:42,840 She should be doing time for that, and she should spend the 163 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,880 rest of her life in prison. I really thought the way the 164 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,640 judge was speaking, that he was about to put her in prison 165 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,880 because he talked about how horrible it was and then he gave 166 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,160 her probation. Yes, the judge spoke about the 167 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,800 impact it had on the the people that were abused by her and what 168 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,680 she'd done to them. And she showed no remorse, no, 169 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,200 no remorse on the social work reports at all. 170 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,160 And yet she's still walking free. 171 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,600 She should not be walking free. Is there not some way that we 172 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,200 can appeal against this or something? 173 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:16,080 So following what Carol just said in her interview with me, 174 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,960 what happened was, and we found out in the sentencing hearing, 175 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,720 and she said this throughout, that Patricia Robertson herself 176 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,440 did not believe that she did anything wrong. 177 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,080 And she actually blamed the women, saying that they were 178 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,520 trying to gain financially from taking her all the way up into 179 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,120 this trial, which of course, was something that made them, 180 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,360 understandably even more angry than they are where we were. 181 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,280 The third clip that I have here is from Lynn Sheeran. 182 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,360 It's an absolute disgrace. We've waited 50 years for us and 183 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,560 we've waited well in 15 years and it's just been handed a 184 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,080 three year provision and told to pay 18 victims 1000 lbs. 185 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,800 A 1000 lbs is what our innocence cost for being abused, beaten 186 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,280 up, forced credit, sexual abuse, you name it, we went through it 187 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,360 her hands and she walks away. She gets to see her Christmas. 188 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,040 We're family she's sitting with talking whatever while we sit 189 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,280 and ponder there the last 15 years, but we refer we are at 190 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:22,200 hands of that one. It's an absolute joke and I 191 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,520 don't know what else to say. Just a few fella motion. 192 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,040 I am too. I understand. 193 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,600 I, I, it was amazing to me. It sounded the way he was 194 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,120 talking. The judge was about to put her 195 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,760 into prison but. He couldn't at one point that 196 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:34,960 she was going to get after school. 197 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,960 Because he talked about how terrible the crimes were and how 198 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,520 awful she was and how she showed no remorse and and then he put 199 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,800 her into probation. Just absolute shocking. 200 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:53,280 My thoughts on my end, my friend. 201 00:11:54,120 --> 00:12:02,600 Yeah, it's horrible. Now, in addition to this 202 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,640 sentence of probation, something to point out is that she was not 203 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,320 found guilty of any of the most serious charges that were 204 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,280 brought against her. There were 25 charges brought 205 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,240 against her. She was found guilty of 18. 206 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,560 The others were not proven, and these were the sexual abuse 207 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:18,040 charges. So of course those would have 208 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,840 been the most serious, but those were not proven at the time when 209 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,680 she first received the conviction of these these 18 210 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:27,880 counts of being guilty. The women were actually very 211 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,960 happy because they felt as though they were receiving 212 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,560 justice and that finally they had been heard and something 213 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:35,840 would happen. And so, but now, of course, with 214 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,920 the just the probation for abusing girls for 14 or 15 years 215 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:44,360 over this amount of time and the severity of the abuse, they're 216 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,760 now obviously, as we've just seen in those clips, very angry. 217 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,240 But we will come back to Lynn Sheeran at the end of this 218 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,680 report. What I want to talk about now is 219 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,880 the mainstream media responses to covering this. 220 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,160 So I was sitting in the press area in the courtroom with all 221 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,320 of the mainstream reporters and all of them were there. 222 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,880 Here's one from the BBC saying retired teacher sentence for 223 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,680 abusing girls at residential school. 224 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,040 And what we're seeing here is that we're seeing a lot of 225 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,880 emphasis on just this one teacher. 226 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,520 The reason for that is because she was the one brought to 227 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,560 child, but she's also the only one that they believe is still 228 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:21,200 alive of the former staff that were responsible, the head 229 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,920 teacher, she's been dead now for a couple of years who was the 230 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,280 last one in control of for Nothing residential school. 231 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,600 And they can't find any of the other teachers or staff and they 232 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,280 believe that they've all passed away. 233 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,440 So this lady at 77 is the last one that they could find. 234 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,920 Gone for some more mainstream headlines. 235 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:44,040 STV news was was their former teacher guilty of historical 236 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,840 abuse of girls at Fernetti House? 237 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,120 Avoids gaol. This has irritated me constantly 238 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,440 as the main researcher has been doing a lot of the work on what 239 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,440 was going on and and finding out the background of of the 240 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,160 institution. It was called Fernetti 241 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,320 Residential School when they were there, not Fernetti House. 242 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,880 That was the name of the building as originally built 243 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,200 back in the night around 1918. So the issue here was that we 244 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,440 actually could not use the we use this over and over again 245 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,920 ourselves for UK column. But we see for Neffe House over 246 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,520 and over again, which was not correct because that sort of 247 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,840 takes away from the fact that this was in fact a residential 248 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:23,320 school where they were placed into a residential institution 249 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,320 and that was meant to be their school, even though they didn't 250 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,360 receive any schooling according to the women who remember what 251 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,640 happened when they were there. Here's the next one from all of 252 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,240 the sort of the live Yorkshire live Glasgow live. 253 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,240 We see the similar headlines from this is sort of a 254 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,920 nationwide outlets retired from that teacher dodges gaol for 255 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,040 sadistic abuse of young girl schoolgirls. 256 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,400 So again, what this is doing is it's it's covering up the the 257 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,680 systemic abuse that happened in this place over 31 years, 258 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,960 including at the establishment level. 259 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,120 Some of the previous reporting that has happened for a three UK 260 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,320 column in the past few years has been that there's been 261 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,440 suggestions that we don't have entire evidence of this, but 262 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,000 there seems to be memories of sex parties through the 263 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,960 establishment. Potentially Nicholas Fairbairn, 264 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,960 which is on the UK column website, although you know, 265 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,160 potentially Jimmy Savile who of course did own a house in 266 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,840 Scotland and others. But of course we have no 267 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,720 evidence of this. But the women certainly do you 268 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,920 remember being drugged and taken into these parties and smelling 269 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,720 alcohol and remembering sexual activity from these paedophiles 270 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,160 that may have been there according to the memories that 271 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,920 they have. Here's another one. 272 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,400 Daily Records. Similar thing, evil teacher who 273 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,520 tortured little girls at Fernetti School. 274 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,040 Spirit Gaol once again, we can't we, we're calling this evil. 275 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,240 We can't do anything about the other teachers. 276 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,680 We don't have any coverage of the teachers. 277 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,080 We're just seeing this word evil. 278 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,920 So no one really knows what's going on there beyond this one 279 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,520 woman. So we're placing the blame on 280 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,640 one woman. Daily Record says woman battered 281 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,760 and forced, fed by evil teachers. 282 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,560 There's that word evil again. Slams decision not to send her 283 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,520 to gaol. This is a talking to Sharon 284 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,720 Cruden in this article who we just saw in the interview that I 285 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:12,720 did with her See again a decision not to gaol evil for 286 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,040 nephew House of or his teacher to be probed by crown. 287 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,960 So now the Crown is saying they're going to do an 288 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,360 investigation into why or whether or not she can be gaoled 289 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,800 to sort of appealing the decision because of the extent 290 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,080 of the abuse according to all of the evidence and according to 291 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,880 the the number of the charges that were or put put that out 292 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,640 there and made available. I would, Brian, do you have any, 293 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,040 any questions for me at this point about what I saw at the 294 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,960 day in the in the two different days I was in courts or about 295 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,000 the sentencing hearing at this point that she would like to 296 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,760 know about? Diana, I don't have direct 297 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,080 questions, but I would like to make a comment. 298 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:57,600 As I've watched this tragic story unfold, it seems to me 299 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,200 obvious that delay, delay and more delay has been the 300 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,319 technique used by the establishment to draw the thing 301 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:07,359 out. This to me, seems to be 302 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,960 deliberate. It seems that the investigation, 303 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,839 if there has been a full investigation by Police 304 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:15,280 Scotland, has in fact been very limited. 305 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,680 And as you've just mentioned, they didn't get their noses into 306 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,040 these reports of much serious sexual abuse of little girls who 307 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,240 were at the Vanethy School. And, and ultimately we've come 308 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,680 out with this very lenient sentence and we've had very 309 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,680 little mainstream reporting. Now, I can't say that this is a 310 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,360 cover up because we just don't have the evidence to put that on 311 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:41,040 the table. But is it something that comes 312 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,480 into my mind? Deliberate delay, a really weak 313 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,400 investigation by Police Scotland and then you pin everything onto 314 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:54,600 1 very elderly member of staff who becomes the sole focus of 315 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,600 being a bit cruel to the girls. This to me seems a cynical cover 316 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,720 up by the establishment, but that's just my personal opinion. 317 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,920 No, absolutely Brian. I, I would agree with you there, 318 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:11,400 considering what I have found in UK column as an organisation has 319 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,760 found in our last few years of research and reporting and 320 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,880 working directly with the women. We know that there is much more 321 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,960 to this story than one elderly woman who you know, was not nice 322 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,800 according to the, the, the charges of the force feeding and 323 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,640 then, you know, sort of the force behaviours. 324 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,360 We're not saying that that was good at all. 325 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,960 And of course, women have horrible memories and lots of 326 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,280 trouble from this, but we know that it was much bigger than 327 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,160 this over 30 / 30 years. I would encourage people to look 328 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,160 at our reporting. We have an entire portion on our 329 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,200 website dedicated to all of the interviews and articles and, and 330 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,360 news reports that we've done for Finetti Residential School over 331 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:51,000 the past few years. So that link will be in the show 332 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,440 notes to be able to see all of these reports in one place. 333 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,640 And just to say that we have developed a good relationship, 334 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,160 both working on, I would say a friendship with these leaders of 335 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,960 these this group over the years. This was me the night before the 336 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,400 sentencing hearing. This was last Tuesday evening in 337 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,520 Glasgow. I had dinner with Lynn Sheeran 338 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,400 and Sharon Cruden, who we just heard from, who have been two of 339 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,560 the amazing, strong, brave leaders through this group over 340 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,480 the past few years. And I've got to know them as 341 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,760 friends as well as as survivors. And so we had at least we had a 342 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,080 nice meal the evening before. And I just want to end the 343 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,280 segment with the the second half of Lynn Sheeran's interview and 344 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,000 what she had to say about UK column and the work we've been 345 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,520 doing with them. This is definitely not the end. 346 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,360 This is the beginning for us. So the fight only at half and 347 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:47,520 stronger, so a lot of women. Here, Yeah, there's a lot of 348 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,200 women here. The court was packed. 349 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,840 Anger and emotions. I don't know. 350 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,240 We'll go now and we'll decide what we're going to do next. 351 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,040 And I'll be here with you. UK Callum will always be with 352 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:00,760 you. We'll be here. 353 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,840 We're. All the support from Ryan, 354 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,040 everybody and and you for making us gentlemen. 355 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,160 And it's just and. We will remain here as long as 356 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,120 you need us. Thank you. 357 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:18,680 We love you. You. 358 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:25,680 Too. So very nice thing to to end on 359 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,160 there. We've developed relationships 360 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,600 with these women over the years. It has not been easy for any of 361 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,960 us. But I just want to say just with 362 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,960 anything else that we do through UK column, we will always be 363 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,440 there as long as, as I said, as long as they need us. 364 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,400 And we will never abandoned anyone who comes to us for help, 365 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:42,840 Brian. And I'm sure you'll agree with 366 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,240 that. If we've got the capacity to do 367 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,760 it, that's something we have to say for our viewers. 368 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,560 But yes, in principle. Thank you for that, Diane. 369 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,280 Well, I've suggested that something was not right in the 370 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,280 investigation of Vanessa. Were the police controlled to go 371 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,840 at the pace they did or do as little as they did? 372 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,640 Perhaps we can look at another operation Teller around COVID 373 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:11,600 where Ben, I think you've got some real evidence on control of 374 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,440 the police. Well. 375 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,080 Absolutely, yes. And you talk about the, the, the 376 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,600 pace of investigation. Well, it seems the police have 377 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,200 found a new way of dealing with avoiding accountability, which 378 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,000 is just to not investigate at all and to refuse to accept 379 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,360 evidence. And this is referring to some 380 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,840 actual police work that's been done over the past couple of 381 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,000 years now by this gentleman who is a retired police officer, 382 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,840 Mark Sexton. People will probably be familiar 383 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,240 with Mark actually, if you're a viewer of the UK column, if 384 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,800 you're interested in what's happening around COVID issues in 385 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,800 the UK. In June 2021 he notoriously 386 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,600 reported and Nadeem Zahawi, who was then running the vaccine 387 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,360 programme, for misconduct in public office and then six 388 00:21:56,360 --> 00:22:00,960 months later, January 2022, he reported a criminal case to 389 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,440 Hammersmith Police, provided 400 victim, witness and expert and 390 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,440 whistleblower statements relating to vaccine harms caused 391 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,760 by the vaccine programme. He alleged gross negligent 392 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,960 manslaughter and serious misconduct in public office 393 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,920 against a number of political figures. 394 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,000 That was accepted and it was assigned a crime reference 395 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,560 number, importantly, which we had up there on the screen a 396 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,880 moment ago and there was quite a lot of buzz at the time about 397 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,880 the fact that this had got into the system. 398 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,080 People will probably remember that now. 399 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,840 Mark and a team have continued this work. 400 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,640 It is exceptional work and we're going to get into some of what 401 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,520 they've been doing. It's via this organisation, it's 402 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,200 called Ethical Approach. We'll provide a link that you 403 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,800 can go and have a look at their website. 404 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,120 And just a couple of weeks ago, 18th of November, they issued 405 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:52,240 this letter, public statement relating to what they call 406 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,080 serious constitutional failings undermining the rule of law with 407 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,160 bearing on national security and matters of overwhelming public 408 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,920 interest. There are 5 components to this 409 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,160 and the first one relates to the Hammersmith Crime report and the 410 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,000 crime number and the evidence of proving that that was never 411 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,840 fully investigated in in accordance with statutory 412 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,520 duties. Case in point being that not one 413 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,680 of the victims, witnesses or whistleblowers was contacted at 414 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:24,760 400 that are in the case file. The second point being that the 415 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,280 the closure of that investigation was itself 416 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,840 unlawful, and that amounts to perverting the course of 417 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,720 justice, misconduct in public office, assisting offenders, and 418 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,680 a bunch of other offences. The Third Point, as we'll come 419 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,160 on to in more detail in a moment, is this issue of 420 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,920 something called Operation Talent and the Spears Directive, 421 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,680 and the fact that a national command structure had been 422 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,360 implemented and was being used to control police activity 423 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:56,200 across the whole of the UK. And they have overwhelming 424 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,520 evidence, as I see it, to back this up. 425 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,360 And this explains a lot about what we were seeing happening 426 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,200 and the inaction of police on the ground. 427 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,480 And it completely overlaps with Charles's experience as well, 428 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,720 Charles Mallet, and he's written about this and I think he's 429 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,120 going to talk about this later in the week and potentially over 430 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:16,080 over the coming weeks as well. And this all amounts to what 431 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,520 they described as constitutional collapse essentially. 432 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,240 I mean, you, I think you used the phrase last week, Brian, 433 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,280 that we have no law. And I think that this is more 434 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,760 evidence of that. Last week it was in relation to 435 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,920 the fact that government officials can commit crimes. 436 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:34,280 Well, here we've got the police won't accept evidence of crimes. 437 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,080 There's the other side to that coin, I guess in some ways. 438 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:41,000 And what Sexton and ethical approach are demanding is that 439 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,520 the record is set straight. And in particular that this 440 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:49,360 issue around police not accepting evidence is addressed 441 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,720 because the COVID inquiry has repeatedly confirmed that 442 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,480 criminal conduct falls outside of its remit and that criminal 443 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,440 conduct needs to be reported to the police. 444 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,840 And when people have done that, the evidence has been refused, 445 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,720 right, which is standing in the way of any kind of constructive 446 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,560 investigation happening. All of this was sent to this 447 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,760 mob. So we've got the array of the 448 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,920 top legal apparatus of the country here. 449 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,680 I won't read out all the names, but you can see who we can see 450 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,000 on screen here, Mark Rowley from the Met, Lammy, Richard Hermer, 451 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,480 attorney general for England and Wales. 452 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,600 They received this. It was sent recorded delivery so 453 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,120 that we know that it arrived with them. 454 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:29,480 And what do you think happened, Brian? 455 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,880 Nothing as well. Nothing. 456 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,520 This it was roundly. Let's get that back on screen. 457 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,640 Ignored. They ignored it completely. 458 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,680 So two weeks later, you gave them a bit of breathing space. 459 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,280 Have a look at this. Come back to us. 460 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,680 No response. So Mark Sexton and team have 461 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,840 issued this second letter, which is the evidence supplemental to 462 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,360 constitutional correspondence issued on the 18th of November. 463 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:00,960 And essentially the summary of this is that the system now 464 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,840 appears designed not to protect the public from harm, but to 465 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,560 protect the system from the public, which sounds about right 466 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,560 to me. Actually, I think that that's 467 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,560 pretty much. Great quote, spot on. 468 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,600 Yeah, indicative of everything that we talk about on a weekly 469 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,160 basis, and essentially what we're looking at here is the 470 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,040 idea that the police showed no independent professional 471 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,800 curiosity in determining whether serious criminal offences have 472 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,680 been committed in this period of time. 473 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,200 The only consistent tactic used was to shut every report down 474 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,760 and prevent crime numbers for being issued, stop the stuff 475 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,600 from getting into the system. This was all being controlled 476 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,520 centrally by the National Police Chief's Council, something 477 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,720 called Gold Command, which is the top level of gold, silver 478 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,240 and bronze command structure that was put in place around 479 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,800 Operation Tala. And essentially this is not 480 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,800 independent policing, it is policing functioning as an 481 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,600 extension of the executive government establishment, 482 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,080 operating to shield itself. I've got a short clip now of 483 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,000 Mark Sexton introducing the body of evidence. 484 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,080 It's all there. We said we'd make it available. 485 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,880 Here it is. There's no denying it. 486 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:14,000 It's not conspiracy theory. It's not tin fall hat wearing 487 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,320 lunacy. It's not far right propaganda, 488 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,440 it's not made up. This is all factual, it's all 489 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,200 evidenced. It's their evidence, it's their 490 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,960 replies, it's their FO is, it's their statements that they gave 491 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,320 to the COVID inquiry. It's all of our interaction. 492 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,280 It's fully documented with emails and with videos and 493 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,360 newspaper links. It's undeniable they committed 494 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,000 serious crimes. They prevented the people of the 495 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,840 UK from seeking remedy and redress as victims of crime. 496 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,840 Thousands and thousands of people have been let down. 497 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,240 This is disgusting. It's unlawful, unconstitutional 498 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,840 and they've committed very serious crimes in public office 499 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,440 across the board. We'll provide a link to the full 500 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,960 body of evidence. It is overwhelming, right? 501 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,280 And an incredible piece of work. And I should just say, if we're 502 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,680 going to have a police force in this country, and I think we 503 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,000 probably should, then it needs people like Mark Sexton in it 504 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,120 because this is an extremely comprehensive piece of 505 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,960 investigation. There's loads of evidence, loads 506 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,360 of items. It's all very methodically put 507 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,360 together. There are a couple that jumped 508 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:24,800 out at me that we're going to show you now. 509 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:30,800 The first one is this video clip talking, showing police on the 510 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,880 ground refusing to accept evidence under a directive from 511 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:39,040 someone called Alan Spears. On both occasions we're handing, 512 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,120 we're wanting to have in very serious witness. 513 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,920 Statements. Papers in relation to 514 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,120 vaccinations No, No, No, No, No, no, no, no. 515 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,960 But but more than that. More, more, more than that. 516 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,880 Alan Spears, listen to me. Listen. 517 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,280 Chief Constable Alan Spears has issued instructions to this 518 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,720 Police Service of Scotland that we are not to take any requests 519 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,360 of this matter. We are not to deal with it. 520 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,880 OK. That is the official who's who's 521 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,320 my assistant. Chief Constable Alan Spence. 522 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,160 When can he need to speak to your assistant? 523 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,840 Chief Constable? I've had my instructions from 524 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,360 him. Wait a minute, wait a minute. 525 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,200 Wait a minute. Wait a minute. 526 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,880 One person speaking, Right. Let's make an appointment to 527 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,520 speak to the person that's calling the shots. 528 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,960 So you're not allowed to accept any witness statements. 529 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,200 Phone 101 and ask to speak to Assistant Chief Constable Alan 530 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,040 Spears. When did it? 531 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,000 When? When did it? 532 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,520 When did they make this? January 2022. 533 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,320 He gave that instruction to the whole of Police Scotland. 534 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,160 OK, when this first started. This is witness statements which 535 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,480 Alan Burrell asked me to get right. 536 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,840 That's his names and addresses. You're going to have to wait 537 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,360 until Sergeant Burrell. Can I say this is witness 538 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,800 statements? This is important. 539 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,080 This is, this is witness statements from the COVID-19 540 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,600 inquiry. It's from the COVID-19 inquiry. 541 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,160 Can I say, Ben, just just astonishing and beautiful 542 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,440 because the evidence is there in our faces as what's going on. 543 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,720 I think I am correct in saying that it's the duty of each 544 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,680 individual policeman to investigate crime and therefore 545 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,880 by failing to investigate crime, two police I think I could see 546 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,320 in that video they are both now complicit in the crime because 547 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,240 they failed to take action on their own account. 548 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,040 They were only following orders, Brian. 549 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,240 Yes, and they were following orders from this guy. 550 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,120 Let's get him on screen. So that's assistant chief 551 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,360 council Alan Spears, and that on the right is the Spears 552 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,560 directive, which was issued. This is part of the evidence 553 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:35,920 file. So this has come from an FOI 554 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,000 request. And this relates to what he 555 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,960 describes as intimidation of staff and volunteers in the 556 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,880 vaccine centres, right? This is how they position it. 557 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,800 And he says that should any officer or member of staff be 558 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,680 approached or contacted by people requesting assistance in 559 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,560 line with any of the above, this supposed intimidation, then 560 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,760 these requests should be rejected. 561 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,720 While we continue to uphold individuals rights to freedom of 562 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,000 expression into process, this must be balanced with the rights 563 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,760 of others, keeping the public safe, preventing crime and 564 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,440 disorder and seeking to minimise disruption. 565 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,520 And he says finally, none of the type of behaviour outlined above 566 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,800 should be considered as protest activity. 567 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,920 So these aren't protests. This is not legitimate protest. 568 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,200 Obviously that would have to relate to BLM or something like 569 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,320 that. If you remember what was going 570 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,560 on at that period of time. Another piece of evidence from 571 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,800 the far was this, which I rather enjoyed. 572 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,600 So this came from an, an initial inquiry from full fact who 573 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,280 actually opened their, their their question to the police 574 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,960 saying I am a journalist at full Fact and I'm getting in touch as 575 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,160 I'm looking into the false claims. 576 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,280 So they've already established that these are false claims. 577 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,720 Apparently they need that to be confirmed. 578 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,880 I'm not sure that's journalism. And then further up the email 579 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,320 train, it's they're confirmed that formally recording numbers 580 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,720 of we have not been formally recording numbers of attempts 581 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,240 and it would appear that the guidance to not record has been 582 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,120 a success. So we've managed to squash this 583 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,440 by not not investigating crimes properly. 584 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,480 This is damning. Absolutely damning. 585 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,480 Full factors now drawn. Into oh absolutely yes, I think 586 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,560 we should probably get in touch with full facts and see what 587 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,520 they think about this might do that after the news this 588 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,000 afternoon. This links by the way, just to 589 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,560 wrap up here directly back into by pure coincidence that the 590 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,720 past two weeks of reporting that I've been doing around this 591 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,920 organisation. Do you remember the Forward 592 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,560 Institute, this sort of common purpose type entity that's 593 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,960 appeared that's overseen by Sir Anthony Saltz, the former exec 594 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:33,120 chairman of Rothschild and Co. And the CEO of this Forward 595 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,920 Institute is this guy Adam Gradecki, who is a World 596 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,880 Economic Forum global shaper, their Under 30 network and also 597 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,360 as a governor of Arc Academy working for Paul Marshall. 598 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,960 And I spoke last week about Ian Cheshire, his relationship with 599 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,240 Charles the Third, and also the week before that I spoke about 600 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,440 this chat, Martin Hewitt CBE, who was the chair of the 601 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,760 National Police Chiefs Council during 2019 to 2022, I believe 602 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,480 it was when this whole thing was happening. 603 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,160 And you can see a photo of him here back in 2019 at the 604 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,720 National Policing Board. And this was with Bojo back in 605 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,800 the Bojo days. The first meeting of the new 606 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,400 National Policing Board marks the start of a new partnership 607 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,000 between the police and the government. 608 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,600 He was telling the truth. Truth because they are working 609 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,240 in partnership ship, they're not working in order to ensure law 610 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,200 is operative and enforced. No separation of powers 611 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,920 whatsoever, right? And just, oh look, that was just 612 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,200 six months before the whole Covad thing kept kicked off. 613 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,520 I mean, now what a coincidence say, and that guy Hewitt, as I 614 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,640 mentioned just a couple of weeks ago, so he was, he's now running 615 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,040 the UK Border. So since October 24, he's now 616 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,960 the border security commander at the Home Office. 617 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,120 So goodness knows what he's up to over there, what he's 618 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,200 overseeing and what he's doing and not doing importantly. 619 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,720 And just as a final point, the Operation Teller structure 620 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,640 landed with me because I've been reading some stuff over the past 621 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,840 few days about Kabala systems theory and how this is being 622 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,480 used to drive the global transition. 623 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,120 And the structure gold, silver, bronze structure of Operation 624 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,840 Teller led by Martin Hewitt deployed in this instance, maps 625 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,120 perfectly to the cognitive, emotional, behavioural and 626 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,760 decision making action layers of the Kabala system theory 627 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,080 modelling framework. And I wonder if that's a 628 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,760 coincidence too. I'm sure or it's just a 629 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,639 coincidence, Ben, but thank you for that really excellent and 630 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,320 really concerning report. Now, let's bring Sandy Adams in 631 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,639 with the news today. Sandy, welcome. 632 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:40,760 And you are taking this a stage further because whatever Ben has 633 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,800 shown public about control of the police in order to do the 634 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,239 government's bidding, there's more of this coming under 635 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,480 devolution. Yes, absolutely. 636 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,320 And good afternoon to Brian, Ben and and Diane and indeed 637 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,400 everyone. Yes, I mean over the last few 638 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,840 weeks something quite disturbing has been happening across 639 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,720 England and it hasn't really been picked up much by the 640 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:07,760 mainstream media. And it's about the local council 641 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,160 elections that have been cancelled and some of them have 642 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,760 been cancelled till 2028, which is a it's unconstitutional, it's 643 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,760 undemocratic. And ministers have announced 644 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,840 that the elections in Greater Essex, Norfolk, Suffolk, 645 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:27,040 Hampshire, Solent and Sussex and Brighton will be held in 2028 646 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,960 rather than 2026 because they were already put back from 2025 647 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,800 to 2026. So the government argued that 648 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,880 areas need more time to complete the local government 649 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,160 reorganisations before the votes can proceed. 650 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,040 Now, this is because they are completely reengineering the 651 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,080 whole structure of, of governance in the UK. 652 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,120 And what, what they're doing is that they're trying to get ready 653 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,560 for, you know, combined authorities and the, the, the, 654 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,000 the devolved, you know, the whole devolved combined and 655 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,960 unitary authorities, which then turn into mega, which is what, 656 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,720 what, what we're looking at. So basically the, the, you know, 657 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,680 the, the UK devolution to climate aligned local 658 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,800 authorities is what we're looking at and how this is being 659 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,640 done through the, the covenant of Mayors for climate and 660 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,560 energy. And they're reshaping global 661 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,920 governance. So I've got a a slide here from 662 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,560 the the Guardian and oh, can we have the guardians like, yeah, 663 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,120 here we go. And it's, it's really about 664 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,560 well, Richard Tice is there saying that it's it's cancelling 665 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,240 democracy and the Guardian and obviously Richard Tice agree 666 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,560 with that. So, and it is, I mean, we're 667 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,760 we're finding that democracy is literally being tank cancelled. 668 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,280 And this is this is something that we're seeing a lot now. 669 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,560 If I look, if if you look at the, there's two major acts that 670 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,520 galvanised this plan. It's been a very long term plan. 671 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,600 And the first one is the Cities and Communities Act of 2016. 672 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,600 And that that came in. And you, if I've put all these 673 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,040 in the show notes. So do look at them because you 674 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,080 can see clearly how the governance is being structured 675 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,800 and and taken away from Whitehall and given to these 676 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,360 global or metro mayors as they call them. 677 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,560 And the next one is the English Devolution and Community 678 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,200 Empowerment Act of last year, 2025. 679 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,840 So they, yeah, they devolved power from Whitehall to the 680 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,800 regional mayors with, with governance over transport, 681 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,120 housing, planning, net zero infrastructure, energy systems, 682 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,640 but most, most interestingly, police and, and crime, crime 683 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,120 commissioning and fire regulations. 684 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,280 Now, why does this matter? Well, it matters because under, 685 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,280 you know, UK mayors gain strategic power over net zero 686 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,560 and infrastructure, the local governments aligned with global 687 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,720 climate goals. That's the UN and the EU. 688 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,720 And power shifts are happening without direct public consent at 689 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,760 all. There's no written constitution 690 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,080 limits of these changes and no other countries maintain clearer 691 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,440 legal boundaries. And, and, and, you know, we're 692 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,160 the only country that seems to have this oversight. 693 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,920 So other, other countries don't have this. 694 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:19,800 So I'm, I'm looking at, at the moment the, that there's a, I've 695 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,640 got a slide here from the Association of Police and Crime 696 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,760 Commissioners regarding the transfer of police powers from 697 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,320 Whitehall to the metro mayors. And it's clear that they are 698 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,000 literally handing over the whole of police and crime 699 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,800 commissioning from on our normal government to these metro 700 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,960 mayors. So what we'll see is things like 701 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,520 enforcement of clean air zone, low traffic neighbourhoods 702 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,600 through integrated Transport Police strategy, smart city 703 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,000 policing linked to regional digital and data sets. 704 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,640 Now this is where we we see, you know, behavioural compliance 705 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,760 strategies, you know, nudging and fines, more surveillance and 706 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,320 and this is all tied into a regional policy. 707 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,840 So we've got crowd control as well and protest management 708 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,000 aligned with mayor's climate or development agenda. 709 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,960 Now I've got this some this slide here, which is a map of 710 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,760 the Shire mayors and the metro mayors. 711 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,480 Now I don't know if anybody even knew though they existed, but 712 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,920 and what we need to know is the difference between them. 713 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,840 Because once the the mayor gains these police and crime powers, 714 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,400 policing becomes part of the wider combined authority 715 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,680 ecosystem, which usually includes transport, strategic 716 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,120 planning, all those things and it allows them special powers 717 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,120 over everything. So could we have that map back 718 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,120 again? Sorry, yeah, So the green areas 719 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,200 are the, the, the metro mares and the, the, the purple ones 720 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,160 are the, the shires. Now there's a difference here 721 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,120 because the, the metro mares are the bigger, the bigger cities. 722 00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,200 I think we're we're looking at places like Manchester and the, 723 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,960 the, the rural areas are lagging behind a bit. 724 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,080 They've still got authority power through their councils. 725 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,040 So what what you've got really is this 2 tier system which 726 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,960 eventually the the rural areas will be catching up by by 2035. 727 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,560 They want to absorb the rural areas into the metro mares 728 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,800 system. So nobody gets away with 729 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,560 anything. But it's done very gradually. 730 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,000 It's a whole Fabian gradualism thing and it's been going on for 731 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,840 such a long time now before 2016. 732 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:35,080 So, so I just want to look now at the Mayors for Climate and 733 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,680 Energy, the Global Covenant of Mayors for Climate and Energy. 734 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,160 Now this, this is where it's all coming from and the C40 cities, 735 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,360 but I'll get on to the C40 cities later. 736 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,120 The Global Covenant of Mayors for Climate and Energy was 737 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,760 formed in 2016 by merging the Compact of Mayors and the 738 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,600 European Union's Covenant of Mayors. 739 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,120 It's a worldwide coalition of, of city leaders committed to 740 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,040 tackling climate change by pledging to reduce greenhouse 741 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,280 and gas emissions. And and the initiative 742 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,680 highlights the role of cities in climate action. 743 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:12,440 So really it's, it's it, it was launched in 2014 by Ban Ki Moon 744 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:16,160 and Michael Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York. 745 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,080 And it, it unites city mayor, mayor networks such as C40 746 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,960 cities, which is the climate leadership group, Italy and uh, 747 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,400 the United Cities and the local governments and the UN habitat. 748 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:35,440 Now over 12,500 cities and local governments from 144 countries 749 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,280 are involved in this, representing more than 1 billion 750 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,320 people and they've they've committed to this compact goals. 751 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,320 Now Italy is interesting, it's the International Committee of 752 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,520 Local and Environmental Initiatives and it was created 753 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,040 after the Earth Summit in 1992 to bring Agenda 21, which is now 754 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,440 Agenda 2030 from global to local. 755 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,240 And it was brought into every single town council in the UK 756 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:02,880 just after the Earth Summit in 1992. 757 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,280 And that is why we've got all these climate policies. 758 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,200 So it's all been a long term plan now. 759 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,480 So the Global Covenant came out of the C40 cities. 760 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,320 Now let's have a look at the C40 cities. 761 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,560 They are the climate Leadership group. 762 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,160 It's a network of nearly 100 major cities committed to 763 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,160 addressing climate change and advancing the goals of the UNS 764 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:30,080 Agenda 2030 Paris Agreement. So it brings together mayors and 765 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,400 city leaders to collaborate on cutting urban emissions. 766 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,200 Now, this is all heavily backed by, you know, the Bloomberg 767 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,400 Philanthropies, the World Bank, they're all involved. 768 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,880 Italy, the World Economic Forum, the UN bodies and the C40 cities 769 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,360 pledges to implement policies that align with global targets, 770 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,360 climate targets. Now this is the timeline that 771 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,440 they have for, for this devolution. 772 00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:01,840 By 2028, England mostly operated by 10 to 15 minute powerful 773 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,560 metro mayors. And by 20-30, the raining 774 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,680 countries are folded into the, the city region structure. 775 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,720 So the, the, the, yeah, first of all, you get the metro mayors 776 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:17,000 and then the, the, the Shire mayors, as they call them, will 777 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,720 be suddenly folded into them over, over a / a period of time 778 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:26,120 between 2030 and 2035. And the traditional, you know, 779 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,400 it, it, the traditional district model becomes redundant. 780 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,080 So it's, it's either, you know, symbolic or it's phased out in 781 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,000 and this, uh, this will effectively end the, the Shire 782 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,080 government system. So everybody will be under 783 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,160 these, these, uh, these mayors. Now you know, this is, this is 784 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,920 really worrying because what it does really, and it will 785 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,280 inevitably result not only in convergence of digital mapping 786 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,320 and all the things that we don't want and control of the 787 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,040 population. Umm, it'll also double down on 788 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,280 Euler's, umm, fines, umm, surveillance. 789 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,040 We've got another site, another side surveillance and the 790 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,640 banning of autonomous forms of heating like wood burning 791 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:11,560 stoves, CO2 taxing, retrofitting and ultimately climate 792 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,040 lockdowns. So we, we've really got to, but 793 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,560 look at this for what it is. I mean, this is all being 794 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,960 implemented. It's, it's, it's not local 795 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,680 empowerment. It's the mechanism that the UN 796 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,920 uses to implement Agenda 2030 and the city at city region 797 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,520 level, bypassing national parliaments. 798 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,120 And it fulfils all these goals, you know, the 17 goals, 799 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:41,280 particularly SGD 11161713789. So a lot of the goals. 800 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,840 Now why does this matter? Because the UK mayor is going to 801 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,920 strategic power over net zero infrastructure, local 802 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,880 governments aligned with global climate goals, um, from the EU 803 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,440 and the EU, and power shifts are happening without direct public 804 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,080 consent. There's no written constitution 805 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,760 limits to these changes and other countries maintain clearer 806 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,400 legal boundaries and oversight than we do. 807 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,760 So this is, this is what we're seeing. 808 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,040 We're seeing this overreach really in policing police powers 809 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,320 because as soon as we let go of Westminster and these police 810 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,000 have, these mayors have control over policing, we've, we've lost 811 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,440 democracy completely. So. 812 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,160 Sandy, thank. Thank you very much. 813 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,920 And amazing how that dovetails in with what you were taking us 814 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,320 through. Ben, a couple of comments that 815 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,240 occurred in our chat box while you were talking, Sandy. 816 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,480 One person said one mayor to to rule them all and the other one 817 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,600 was talking about fiefdoms. And this of course is exactly 818 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,480 what it is, a fiefdom under these all powerful mayors. 819 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,720 And the important thing which you've identified is this is of 820 00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:54,240 course is not UK policy. This is coming in from the 821 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,280 global governance system, the UN and the powers above, 822 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,760 particularly the financial powers. 823 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,520 But we'll continue to stay on the case. 824 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,000 And I'm going to say the UK column is unique in putting out 825 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,280 the real news that's happening three times a week as opposed to 826 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,800 talking about what the state controlled policy direction is 827 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,360 as to what's supposed to be happening. 828 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,400 Now. If you like what we do, if 829 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,440 you're watching from overseas, but you're not fully on board, 830 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:30,720 we need your help to to be a paid up member of UK column to 831 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,200 keep us going. 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Tonight we've got another germ 843 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,400 warfare edition with Andrew Kaufman on germ theory versus 844 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,760 terrain theory. We've also got the Silk and 845 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,200 Steel podcast tonight at 9:00 PM. 846 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,520 Did the CIA kill Malcolm X over his ties to China? 847 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,080 That will be a fascinating discussion. 848 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,320 We've also got Doctor Liz Evans interviewing Doctor David 849 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,720 Cartland under the title Do No Harm. 850 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:39,720 Now of course, David Cartland has had a huge amount of abuse 851 00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:44,600 from the system from speaking out on matters to do with COVID 852 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:49,240 and viruses and matters of health, and he needs a lot of 853 00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:52,880 support in order to keep going. This will be a very interesting 854 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,480 interview. Now also very importantly, for 855 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,760 Thursday the 11th, we've got the UK column, Scribble and Novichok 856 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,520 event. What didn't happen? 857 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,600 You can get on to that via Eventbrite. 858 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,520 Details are on the UK Column website. 859 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,960 There are still places available. 860 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,360 We're very keen that people in the Salisbury area or environs 861 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,240 intend because of course it was a matter that affected them very 862 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:21,880 deeply. So if you've got friends or 863 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:27,320 relations in the area, how about getting them along and making 864 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,560 this a very special event? Now this is Sunday, December the 865 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,960 14th. We've got UK column streaming 866 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,800 911 Truth today. This is having a look at the 867 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,960 9/11 truth movement and what sort of state it's in in the 868 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,880 present time. If you go onto the UK column 869 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,200 website, you can find full details of how to log into that 870 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:56,000 and then short time afterwards the the video of it will be 871 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,320 available on the UK column website as well. 872 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,000 But that's that's a stream that you can join if you go to UK 873 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,480 column now. Also on Sunday the 14th, I will 874 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,840 be joining common knowledge and we'll be having a look at what's 875 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,520 happening in the country. I'll be joining by Zoom link and 876 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,640 this is going to be quite an interesting experience having AI 877 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,800 hope a light hearted chat about where we are in the world. 878 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,560 And finally, I've just wanted to say in London on Saturday the 879 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,680 13th of December at 1:00 PM Portland Place, there's a mass 880 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,640 and non compliance process protest, I beg your pardon, 881 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,360 about digital ID. So that's a very important thing 882 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,120 to get along to. Now let's move on to the subject 883 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,160 of AI, something that I regard as very dangerous, but I'm also 884 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,480 extremely sceptical about. Of course, it advertises itself 885 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,120 as an AI revolution, but I think we should be aware of that AI 886 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,800 revolution. And I just wanted to share with 887 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,920 you today very quickly a little bit about my relationship with 888 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:13,400 ChatGPT when I asked a question about the trans agenda, because 889 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,200 it appeared that AI had great difficulty coping with what was 890 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:22,640 really a simple question. Because straight away, ChatGPT 891 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:28,760 hit me with there's no evidence of any transgender agenda 892 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,440 created by a person, group or organisation. 893 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,920 The phrase is not a factual scholarly term and it basically 894 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,360 laid into me for daring to ask about an agenda. 895 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,720 Now the word agenda in my head was a very simple one. 896 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,760 I wanted to know what was happening and what the agenda 897 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,000 was. But this led to some pretty 898 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:54,480 interesting discussion by the so called intelligence system. 899 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,560 So it began to say what it regarded as true. 900 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,760 Transgender identities have existed across cultures and 901 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,720 throughout history. And then it got on to the fact 902 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:09,440 that apparently it's not true. What is not true is that there 903 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,080 is a central creator or a mastermind or a coordinated 904 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,280 agenda trying to impose transgender identities. 905 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,520 Now, I rapidly it challenged ChatGPT on this because it had 906 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:28,120 told me in an earlier communication that data on the 907 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:34,960 trans agenda really only went back to about 2002, and before 908 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,960 that very little existed. So when I challenged the AI 909 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,480 system on how it could make these claims when there was no 910 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,800 previous data, it suddenly started to get a bit wobbly and 911 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:52,040 it told me to my I'm going to say to light, you're right, my 912 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:58,480 initial reaction was biassed. ChatGPT here reacting and 913 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,200 finally coming out and saying that it's initial reaction was 914 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:08,560 biassed because it is programmed to trigger on language patterns 915 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,240 and it doesn't know the intent of a person actually asking 916 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:13,840 questions. So you're really seeing 917 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:19,440 weaknesses of this beast system and it says, and you are correct 918 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,400 it what what ChatGPT did happened without knowing 919 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,200 anything about my individual views, all my intended meaning 920 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,120 in asking the question. So this is supposed to be an 921 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,440 intelligent system, but what can we discover? 922 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,080 Well, first of all, it tried to wiggle out by telling me I'd 923 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,160 asked the wrong question. And it then posted really what I 924 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,160 should have said, which is I should have used the word policy 925 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:53,240 because it regarded a gender as agenda as having just two meet 926 00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:55,440 the meanings. If I can bring you down here, 927 00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:01,760 neutral by a policy direction agenda or a conspiratorial 928 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,320 agenda, a plot. And this is where the 929 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,760 programming of this piece is showing weaknesses straight on. 930 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,560 But this was the beauty. It eventually admitted to me 931 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,280 that it can show cultural and institutional biases. 932 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,920 And this has come about due to it's training data, it's 933 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:29,040 reinforcement learning examples, the assumptions of my creators, 934 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:35,040 the AI creators safety rules. And here it starts talking about 935 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,120 bias towards avoiding conspiratorial interpretations, 936 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,960 bias towards certain respectful language norms, bias towards 937 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,920 institutional consensus, bias towards risk adverse 938 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,760 interpretations of controversial topics. 939 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:56,160 So the idea that this AI system is not biassed, it is happy to 940 00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:02,520 tell me itself that indeed it is fully biassed and I'll just run 941 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,720 through these last slides very quickly. 942 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,040 But it then attempted to get the moral high ground by saying, let 943 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,640 me answer your question directly, factually and without 944 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,360 spin. But it had already put spin on 945 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,080 the whole dialogue it was having with me. 946 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:24,200 And when I delved into who had actually who had programmed chat 947 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:31,240 HGPT in order to have the bias, it was very reluctant to tell me 948 00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:33,840 it. It talked about privately run 949 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,520 research lab and I needed to put a lot of pressure on this system 950 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,440 in order to get it to actually tell me who the real people were 951 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,280 behind it. And it finally listed the 952 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,520 founders and with more pressure, it was happy to tell me where 953 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:55,400 the money came from. And with more pressure, it again 954 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,640 stressed that it could not claim that it's programming was free 955 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:04,680 of bias. And this is the the two 956 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,720 arguments here. You're right, I cannot know the 957 00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:10,880 private intentions, beliefs were in the thoughts of the people 958 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,920 who built or trained me. Beg your pardon, Let's just pop 959 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,920 back here. And finally, it says, therefore 960 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,720 I cannot claim my programming is perfectly free of bias. 961 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,480 So that's the system telling you itself. 962 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,040 Contrast that report. I'm sorry. 963 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,520 Let's just follow through again here with this report by BBC 964 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,920 Sports. Now, this was about nastiness in 965 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,520 social media causing problems for Manchester United. 966 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:44,200 And the manager, Ruben Amorim, said he'd had so much hate on 967 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,040 social media, he'd have to sort of take refuge by not watching 968 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,920 any of it at all. He also says he doesn't watch 969 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,080 the news. And I think he's talking about 970 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,200 the BBC News. But if we pop that one back on 971 00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:01,320 screen, buried in the BBC article was a little comment 972 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,480 here. It says the analysis in BBC's 973 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,600 investigation was conducted with data science company Signify. 974 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,840 Now Signify, I don't think is a data science company. 975 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,760 It's another AI company. And I think it's reasonable to 976 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,000 say we can assume it might be as biassed as we've seen with 977 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:27,360 ChatGPT. So here's what it has to Signify 978 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,280 has to say about themselves. It's about issues, not 979 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,000 individuals. But this one's for you, Ben. 980 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:38,880 In particular, our mission for Signify is to show how AI and 981 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,480 big data can build social empathy and inspire better 982 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,760 products and policies. So this is using AI in order to 983 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,960 skew people's beliefs and opinions, to reframe them, to 984 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:58,320 follow the very governmental biases that ChatGPT has has 985 00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,960 declared now fully has declared to the public at large. 986 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,000 A lot more to talk about on that. 987 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,560 And we'll deal with some more in UK column Extra. 988 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,800 So, and let's just bring you in here because I asked about the 989 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,880 trans agenda, which is definitely real. 990 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,880 You've got a little bit to say on LGBT matters. 991 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,440 Yeah, Thanks, Brian. I, I just thought this was an 992 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,800 interesting thing to look at. I thank you to this UK column 993 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,040 supporter who sent me this article from Zero Hedge last 994 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,920 week that provided links to this report, which is through the 995 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,520 group defending education, which is it has. 996 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,320 We've been doing a lot of work over in America, although it's 997 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,600 the same agenda, trans agenda, all of the agendas are the same 998 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,120 pretty much between the two countries when it comes to 999 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,120 pushing things like critical race theory, the trans ideology 1000 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:53,200 and diversity, equity inclusion. So this organisation produced 1001 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,280 this set of handouts that is being distributed through the 1002 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,720 National Education Association, which is the largest union in 1003 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:06,000 America for educators. And this has a range of things, 1004 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,400 including a pronouns list, which we see here on the screen. 1005 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,440 It's only got three sets of pronouns, which is actually a 1006 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,040 very small number if you look at most trans ideology documents 1007 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,560 and sort of showing school teachers what they should be 1008 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,720 familiar with, what they should be able to be using. 1009 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,920 One set of pronouns could be she, they could be he, they 1010 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,200 could be Z Zim SER. And I think, you know, if 1011 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,200 there's, you know, dozens of genders, I think 72 or whatever 1012 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,680 number they come up with, they all have different sets of 1013 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,640 pronouns. It's actually quite restrictive 1014 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,920 based on some things. But when we look further into 1015 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,640 the handout, which I took some more time to look at, the entire 1016 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,520 set of training material, looked at a range of things that the 1017 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:53,080 title of the report is called Advancing LGBTQ plus plus 1018 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,120 Justice and Transgender Advocacy. 1019 00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,640 So we're seeing here they're pushing this trans ideology, 1020 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,040 which ChatGPT apparently seems to struggle with. 1021 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,840 According to Brian's investigation, this was 58 pages 1022 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:13,320 of looking at the trans ideology, the the so called 1023 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,560 justice, which, you know, considering what I've been doing 1024 00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,120 with the Fernetti survivors and other abuse survivors, it 1025 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,400 actually seems to be a very concerning to me. 1026 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,120 So, so that for those of us who have experienced abuse in in our 1027 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,600 past, regardless of who you are, what kind of abuse it is, that 1028 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,240 seems to be, as we've seen with Patricia Robertson, not 1029 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,880 necessarily as important as making sure that we're using the 1030 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,120 right pronouns for people who somehow believe that they are 1031 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,880 able to change from male to female or binary or, you know, 1032 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,160 to male or whatever they think they want to be doing. 1033 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,680 So some of the things also that was included in addition to this 1034 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,800 pronoun guide was some information from Cornell 1035 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,040 University. They have a transgender guide to 1036 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,200 transitioning and gender affirmation in the workplace, 1037 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,080 telling people how to transition at work, explaining A 1038 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,200 transgender inclusive health insurance plan, which is 1039 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,880 concerning in America because most people can't even get basic 1040 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,080 things done. Gender friendly toilets, voice 1041 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,080 and communication modification programme. 1042 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,240 So if you need to sound more non binary or more masculine or 1043 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,440 feminine. They talk about HR guidelines, 1044 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,480 so our favourite department, human resources workplace 1045 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,960 transition plan and how HR representatives and supervisors 1046 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,200 can work with a number of staff to transition as they feel 1047 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,120 comfortable to do so within the workplace. 1048 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,240 Which is interesting considering that people like David Cartland 1049 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:39,040 and myself and many others have been cancelled by the people 1050 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:43,320 related to HR departments and to because we were not holding the 1051 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,920 right views essentially. Which is what happened to me and 1052 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,120 to many others who are experiencing this in academia 1053 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,040 and other places in the moment. They have a level of expressions 1054 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,040 of oppression which talks about different types of oppression 1055 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,840 and and expressions of oppression exercise that staff 1056 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,040 have to do when they attend this training. 1057 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,680 Looking at different types of bias and what we need to do to 1058 01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,640 achieve social justice through critical race theory, which is 1059 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,360 essentially the destruction of what exists currently in 1060 01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,840 society. There is also a report from the 1061 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,440 Transgender Law Centre that is written for transgender youth, 1062 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,120 so to speak, called Building Our Choir with a Race, Class, Gender 1063 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,040 Narrative, which says, for example, along many other 1064 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,600 things, we should say our genders or genders be plural 1065 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,160 instead of just gender singular because pluralizing genders 1066 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,320 enables greater agreement with our worldview and helps activate 1067 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,160 more expansive attitudes towards our genders plural again and 1068 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,920 transgender people. So I just want to highlight this 1069 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,560 because of what you were doing, Brian, but also just to show the 1070 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,080 sort of the hypocrisy that's going on in the world right now. 1071 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,080 That we're supposed to make these people who believe they 1072 01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,080 can somehow magically change their sex despite Supreme Court 1073 01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,680 rulings and so on. But then we see true abuse 1074 01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,960 survivors who have been through horrible crimes in their lives, 1075 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,160 and they cannot get justice. But we're supposed to provide 1076 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,400 justice just for the people who decide that they are able to do 1077 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:05,640 this and want to do this. Brian. 1078 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,000 Diane absolutely. And we can be sure that the AI 1079 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,720 trainers, the people creating these AI systems are absolutely 1080 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,800 going to be introducing that bias into the systems in order 1081 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,200 to keep pushing this agenda. And as we've seen on the BBC 1082 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:30,200 today from Australia, bans on children using social media. 1083 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,360 And of course, whilst there is some terrible things on social 1084 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,760 media which children shouldn't really be seeing, of course what 1085 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,160 we can now see coming through the pipeline is stop the 1086 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:45,640 children having a different source of learning to the 1087 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,640 mainstream agenda. And they will then become young 1088 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,960 adults with absolutely no concept that there's any other 1089 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:58,160 form of fact or truth but that which comes from governments, AI 1090 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,560 systems and the BBC's. We'll do more on this in extra, 1091 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:06,400 but let's finish with a little bit of a wry look Ben at some, 1092 01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,160 well, what is it? Is it the loony left or 1093 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,400 something different? Yes, well, we've talked a bit 1094 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:18,400 about Zack Polanski recently, the new leader of the Green 1095 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,320 Party, but he's not the only left wing firebrand on the 1096 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,360 block. Let's have a listen to Zara 1097 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,360 Sultana talking about nationalising the entire 1098 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,320 economy. The status quo in this country 1099 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,440 has is broken. We are the second most unequal 1100 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,560 country in the OECD, second to the US. 1101 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,120 We have rampant inequality. So things have to fundamentally 1102 01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,120 change. And when I talk about 1103 01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,920 nationalising our economy, I'm talking about the commanding 1104 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,360 heights of our economy. I'm talking about the utilities, 1105 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,120 energy, rail, buses, telecoms, mail, which are wildly popular 1106 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,000 with the public. But we also have to look at 1107 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,720 other forms of democratic ownership in our economy. 1108 01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,200 That means workers cooperatives, that means community community 1109 01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,640 Land Trust, that means public banking, that means a national 1110 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,800 welfare, a wealth fund that workers and our communities 1111 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,200 control. So do you mean that, you know, a 1112 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,640 corner shop or a hairdresser is gonna be run by a workers 1113 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,320 committee? I'm just trying to understand 1114 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:15,680 actually. Actually, if you look at 1115 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:20,280 polling, the British public actually support a system where 1116 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,560 workers make the decisions in their workplaces. 1117 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,640 So when you've got when you've got a coffee shop and you've got 1118 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,640 a small workplace, a democratic form of ownership of that is a 1119 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,160 workers cooperative. Well, workers own the shares in 1120 01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,160 that company. They have better terms and 1121 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,360 conditions. The profits are shared amongst 1122 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,800 the workers. And that is a form of democratic 1123 01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,520 ownership that does very well across the world, including in 1124 01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,640 the UK. And would that be something that 1125 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,720 businesses had to become? Would that be mandatory? 1126 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,160 Well, this, these are conversations that we should 1127 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,480 have about what forms of ownership we should have in our 1128 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,160 economy. And right now we don't have very 1129 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:56,920 many democratic forms of ownership. 1130 01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,840 When we look across Latin America, you've got workers 1131 01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,800 cooperatives, you've got community Land Trust, you've got 1132 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,160 all of these different forms. We need to have conversations 1133 01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,800 about how we can democratise our economy, but also. 1134 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,440 Might be an option. It has to be something that we 1135 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,720 have a conversation about. Obviously the party does not 1136 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,880 have policies yet, but it's important that we articulate a 1137 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:21,120 different vision of society. Well, there you have it. 1138 01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,040 Democratise the economy. But what does that mean? 1139 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,320 We'll talk about this in extra Yes, You've got another one, 1140 01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:28,240 haven't you? Let's say we. 1141 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,520 Do Yeah, well, we'll, we'll talk about a lot more in extra. 1142 01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,400 I think the, the main thing for me with these with her this 1143 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,040 issue generally is that she's half right and half wrong. 1144 01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,480 What she's right about is that there are gross levels of 1145 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,080 inequality and there are things that need to be changed in the 1146 01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,880 economic system. What she's wrong about is what 1147 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,920 we should actually do about it. Big question with Sultana and 1148 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,320 your party, which she's a Co founder of is can we possibly 1149 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:51,840 trust these people? I mean, she's done some 1150 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:57,120 extraordinarily disruptive and and out of control things over 1151 01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,120 the past few months in terms as, as, as relates to the management 1152 01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:05,320 of your party, her party. But also we then end up seeing 1153 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,840 things like this coming from the your party conference over the 1154 01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,520 past couple of weeks. Have a look at this. 1155 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,080 My name is Claire. I'm from Dartford. 1156 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,840 Your party? I'm also a member of Socialist 1157 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,080 Alternative. I want to speak for the name Our 1158 01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:23,320 party, not because I think it's a particularly good name, but 1159 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,040 because I think this should be our party. 1160 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,600 And the reason why we're having this agenda, this debate now on 1161 01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,480 the agenda when we've been given four options, none of which were 1162 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:38,800 particularly popular as far as I could see, is because there were 1163 01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,000 amendments that were submitted by hundreds of members all 1164 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,880 around the country. We talk about the issues which 1165 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:52,080 people on this conference floor wanted debated, amendments which 1166 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:57,400 have been silenced because they call into question an unelected 1167 01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:02,240 clique who have been brought in and who have been doing damage 1168 01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,160 to this party. Earlier we heard discussion 1169 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:11,040 about the potential damage that the red scare of left wing 1170 01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:16,080 groups of the people who have been on the streets build front. 1171 01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,600 So Can you imagine that? So they're, they're literally so 1172 01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,520 she's dissenting, they pull the plug, cut the feed. 1173 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,120 She's gone. She's gone, but Can you imagine 1174 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:37,520 trying to run a business like that? 1175 01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,560 We'll talk about this in UK column Extra. 1176 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,480 We must end today's news. I think it's been a really 1177 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,120 important news. Something very, very dark and 1178 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,840 controlling is installing itself in UK. 1179 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,560 We need to see it, we need to identify it, we need to call it 1180 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,360 out, we need to keep a sense of humour and we need to ridicule 1181 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,200 these people because ridicule is a powerful weapon. 1182 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,840 We're going to end today's news there for your Member of UK 1183 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,960 column. Please join us in a few moments 1184 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:09,320 for UK Column Extra. For the others out there, UK 1185 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,320 column News will be back at 1:00 on Wednesday. 1186 01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,000 See you then. Thank you. 1187 01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:14,680 Bye bye.