1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,880 Good afternoon. It's Wednesday the 23rd of July, 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,320 just after, well, 1:00. Welcome to UK column news from 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,240 your host, Mike Robinson. Mike Hulk host. 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Today in the studio is Charles Mallett. 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,120 Welcome to the program, Charles. Thank you, Mike. 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,440 And joining us via Live Link, our researcher and activist 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,840 Sandy Adams and journalists and peace campaigner Vanessa Bailey. 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,040 Now, later in the programme, we'll have a report on the 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,360 inquest of the passing of Kit Shamarani's daughter, uh, used 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,120 so cynically by the BBC's Mariana Spring to push her 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,720 agenda. Uh, Vanessa will be reporting on 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,520 Trump's forced removal of people in prison to prisons in South 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,560 America. And Sandy will be reporting on 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,680 more success against the green agenda at council level. 15 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,840 But we'll begin today with Charles and the ongoing migrant 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,560 crisis and its use in the promotion of one policy agenda, 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,560 at least Charles. That's right, one very 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,960 particular policy agenda. And there are a number of 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,480 apparently loosely related Home Affairs stories that have been 20 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,760 inserted into the new cycle in the past week. 21 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,240 And I would suggest that if you've been following UK column 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,160 news for a period of time, you will know what the destination 23 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,080 is. But the start point, suffice it 24 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,040 to say, is illegal migration, and in particular the various 25 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,960 responses to it. We have reports of agreements 26 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:22,680 with France, new policies concerning small boat crossings, 27 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,520 all of which steadfastly ignore the unstaunched flow of legal 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,800 migration. Now the Office for National 29 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:34,800 Statistics reports that net migration has dropped to 431,000 30 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,680 for the year to end 2024. This is still double what it was 31 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,680 a decade ago and the government wants you to look exclusively at 32 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,360 the people smuggling gangs, which is, statistically 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,200 speaking, at least a small percentage of the problem. 34 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,960 Now the Home Office and the Foreign and Commonwealth and 35 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,320 Development Office have issued a joint statement about sanctions 36 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:00,200 to be imposed on the gangs in order to, quote, disrupt the 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,040 flow of money and materials, including freezing property, 38 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,760 bank accounts and other assets which allow organised criminal 39 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,800 gangs to facilitate irregular migration to the UK. 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,640 End Quote. The recently lifted super 41 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:18,880 injunction on the Afghan data breach, which is reported to 42 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,240 have cost the taxpayer billions, has been neatly slotted into 43 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,640 this narrative. The breach went unnoticed for 18 44 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:30,040 months, so it's hard to argue that there was a genuine threat 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,880 to the lives of those that the government has subsequently 46 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,200 claimed to protect. All of which makes it look like 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,840 the court action was designed to hide the failure and the cost, 48 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,800 but also to enable the airing of the story at exactly the right 49 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,160 time. Which turns out to be now. 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,920 There's no doubt that large groups of young male foreign 51 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:52,680 nationals being corralled in the same place within small 52 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,520 communities is a terrible idea. And this is precisely the issue 53 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,880 that's being confronted by the people of Epping and of Dis 54 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,640 among many others. The catalyst in Epping appears 55 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:06,200 to be the charging of a migrant with the sexual assault of a 56 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,640 local girl. And the police are reported as 57 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:13,520 having acted in such a way as to inflamed the situation by, in 58 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,680 particular, transporting counter protesters from the station to 59 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,160 the Bell Hotel. We've a report from Will 60 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,320 Coleshill which will play to you in News Extra, so if you're not 61 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,920 yet Auk column member then you'll need to join us to be 62 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:30,840 able to view that. Today's Daily Mail rites of 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,440 fears of riots akin to those stoked in the wake of the 64 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Southport events last August and due to the ongoing protests. 65 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,320 Epping in particular has attracted the mainstream media 66 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,720 racist hunters who are desperate to find people to conform to 67 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,720 their image of a far right fascist. 68 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,320 Well, the BBC at least hasn't had much luck, and Victoria 69 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,840 Derbyshire was openly surprised by what this man had to say. 70 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,040 I've just been talking to the council leader and he said that 71 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,400 Tommy Robinson is expected here. What do you think of that? 72 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,560 I look, I'm mixed race, OK? I'm going to stay that. 73 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,360 I'm mixed race. I'm I'm old enough to remember 74 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,640 the BNP. Tommy Robinson is not racist. 75 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,880 As far as you're concerned, he is welcome here. 76 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,079 I think he for me personally, I don't mean he's a good idea. 77 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:23,920 Oh. Because of the amount of people 78 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,400 he'll bring outside the area at the moment, it's a local thing 79 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,400 for local people who want to voice their opinion and want the 80 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,000 government to do something about it. 81 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,440 You bring Tommy Robinson here with all the good intentions in 82 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,840 the world. I don't think he's going to. 83 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,520 So there's a final word missed there, which was end well. 84 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,000 He said he didn't think it was going to end well. 85 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,560 And I'd say the final comments on whether or not an influx of 86 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,640 outsiders headed up by Tommy Robinson or others are extremely 87 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,800 astute. Now, as pointed out at the time, 88 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,480 the riots of 2024 were almost exclusively driven by those from 89 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,800 outside the communities which were affected, and thus the 90 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,280 desired result was gifted to the government. 91 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,760 Suddenly everyone was an extremist and the full force of 92 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,560 the law was to be felt then as it is now. 93 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,800 The way was paved for new police powers and new legislative 94 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,440 measures. And now 20 years since the 77 95 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,120 events in London, the BBC is running a series called State of 96 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,160 Terror. And the Home Secretary Yvette 97 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,240 Cooper has featured on a recent programme talking about the new 98 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,040 laws she is to create which will concern what she calls mass 99 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,520 attacks, which was which are specifically not conducted by 100 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,760 terrorists. Essentially what she's talking 101 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,960 about is a pre crime interference which is already 102 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,160 possible under terrorism legislation and Cooper wants to 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,240 push the edge of the envelope. At this point it's worth 104 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,560 reminding you that the actions of criminal damage for which the 105 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,880 Palestine Action Group was prescribed as terrorist were to 106 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:00,520 put paint on 2 aeroplanes. Returning to the specifics of 107 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,600 housing migrants, this is what the Prime Minister said when 108 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,320 asked by the Chair of the Liaison Committee, Meg Hillier, 109 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:11,320 how he would manage the problem. What other accommodation 110 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,480 precisely are you planning to take over to provide temporary 111 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,920 accommodation for for families? Oh, there's lots of housing and 112 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,960 many local authorities that can be used, and we're identifying 113 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,920 where it can be used. But I mean look. 114 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:25,760 Sorry, can you give us have? You got any examples you can 115 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,400 give us because? No, but I'll I'll, I'll write in 116 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,000 and give you details. I could say certainly the number 117 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,960 of our local authorities are are already picking up from around 118 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,400 the table. There isn't a lot of spare 119 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,480 housing available. If there were, councils would be 120 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:37,600 able to be dealing with it by now. 121 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:43,960 Well, exactly. Completely out of touch as 122 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,280 always, the truth is very hard to get to and quite what he 123 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:48,760 meant by exactly at the end is anyone's guess. 124 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,200 At least. Housing though was mentioned in 125 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,200 the Labour manifesto, but digital identity was not. 126 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,000 However, there can be no doubt at all that these strands are 127 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,960 leading to one point of focus and that is digital identity. 128 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,160 The Brit card here seen on screen has been proposed by the 129 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,760 Labour Together think tank with impeccable timing as the entire 130 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,360 scan is predicated on the battle against illegal migration. 131 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,920 Now from the proposal document, we see that they say 1,000,000 132 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,800 people live in the UK without permission to do so, undermining 133 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,520 Britain's social contract and sense of Fair play. 134 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:28,880 And it goes on to advocate for a mandatory universal national 135 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,160 identity credential. Brit Card can help Britain 136 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,880 control illegal migration and secure its borders. 137 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,960 And with that, I'll draw to a close as Mike's got more on this 138 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,320 specific issue. Well, indeed. 139 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,880 And so the Home Affairs Select Committee has a cross. 140 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,800 Sorry. They describe themselves as a 141 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,440 cross party committee of MPs responsible for scrutinising the 142 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,720 work of the Home Office and its associated bodies. 143 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,560 It says that it examines government policy spending and 144 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,880 the law in areas including immigration, security and 145 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,720 policing. But just like the Intelligence 146 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,240 and Security Committee which we were discussing on this program 147 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,080 last week, they are more about, or at least I would argue 148 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,480 they're more about creating justifications for government 149 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,880 policy. So let's take their latest 150 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,240 consultation for example, which is all about harnessing the 151 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,000 potential of new digital forms of identification. 152 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,760 And I'm going to say thanks to Andrew for the tip off for this. 153 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,200 Now, digital ID can refer to many different aspects of a 154 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,440 person's identity, they say, which can be recorded and stored 155 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,960 digitally, including names and demographic information, digital 156 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,400 versions of government issued documents such as visas, or even 157 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,520 biometric information like fingerprint or face scan. 158 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,120 And they say that in an increasingly digital world, 159 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,360 several countries have begun to develop digital ID systems in 160 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,720 support of functions like identification, proof of 161 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,760 residence and facilitating access to government services. 162 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,280 They go on to say that they've been calls for the UK to adopt 163 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,680 digital ID, with those arguing for its introduction saying it 164 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:04,360 would have benefits in like improving citizens access to 165 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,480 services and supporting more effective enforcement of 166 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,520 immigration rules. Just by coincidence they happen 167 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,440 to be banging on with exactly the same narrative that Charles 168 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,720 been talking about just a few seconds ago. 169 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,200 So they are running a consultation on digital ID and 170 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,840 the closing date for that is the 21st of August. 171 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,120 The call for evidence is asking several questions. 172 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,080 How effectively is data relating to individuals currently being 173 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,720 used and shared by Home Office and it's agencies? 174 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,880 What potential benefits could be could the use of new forms of 175 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,760 government issued digital ID have for the government's 176 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,120 ambition to reduce crime and manage migration? 177 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,160 What different categories of information about individuals 178 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:48,960 could most usefully be included in government issued digital 179 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,520 identification? Another question is what 180 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,440 potential risks does the adoption of new forms of digital 181 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,920 identification have for individuals, including risks to 182 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,880 privacy and security of personal data? 183 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,120 And another final question is what capabilities could the Home 184 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:08,320 Office and and its agencies need to develop efficiently, Sorry, 185 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,840 introduce to efficiently introduce and take advantage of 186 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,320 new forms of digital identification? 187 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,080 Sorry, there is one more How could the adoption of new forms 188 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,240 of identification improve efficiency and interactions 189 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,480 between the Home Office or law enforcement agencies and other 190 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,680 government departments? And so they go on. 191 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,120 So this is very much about justification, not scrutiny, in 192 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,120 my opinion. My Big Brother Watch is running 193 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,520 an active campaign on this issue, and they provide a 194 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,920 template for responses to the Home Affairs Committee. 195 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,960 But as they themselves acknowledge, it's a bad idea 196 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,120 just to use a templated response, so they recommend you 197 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,960 take the time to write your own, because otherwise responses can 198 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,200 be dismissed out of hand. And I would say that for all the 199 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,200 naysayers out there who refuse to take the time to make this 200 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,640 kind of effort, just remember that everyone who is silent is 201 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,920 taken to agree. And really, that is the point, 202 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,800 Charles. I think it's absolutely the 203 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:09,880 point and I think in a way last summer was a sort of warm up 204 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,320 exercise. I mean, cynical as that may 205 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,200 sound, with exploiting the events in and around Southport. 206 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,960 And this year there's a there's a, in effect, a change of tack, 207 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,800 but it should really be regarded as a development of the same 208 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,160 thing. And of course, the other thing 209 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,000 that I would point out is that the statement issued by Yvette 210 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,080 Cooper and David Lammy talking about controlling and freezing 211 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,600 assets belonging to the migrant gangs. 212 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,240 Of course, what they're not going to say, but you should 213 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,120 absolutely be aware of is at the moment there's any advance in 214 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,720 the move towards digital identity and the digital 215 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,600 currency, That's exactly what can happen to you and indeed 216 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,200 anybody else. But the key point of this 217 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,280 segment is to really reinforce the idea and recommend people 218 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,960 that pay attention to the possibility that this irregular 219 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,120 migration issue is being stocked up in order to drive forward 220 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,160 this digital identity policy amongst with others. 221 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:05,680 Absolutely yes. Vanessa, let's let me welcome 222 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:08,880 you to the program and, well, let's have a look at Donald 223 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,520 Trump's removal of people from the United States into prisons 224 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:17,880 in South America. Yeah, I mean, we reported on 225 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,760 this with some pretty disturbing videos if you're a member of 226 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,360 Donald Trump, illegally deporting immigrants of all 227 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,840 nationalities. But in particular, 200 228 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,120 Venezuelans that were claimed to be gang members or in some media 229 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,400 reported as being terrorists, but of course, they were 230 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,880 deported without any due legal process whatsoever. 231 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,840 And recently, for example, this is an article in Politico, there 232 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,920 has been recent moves for actually the repatriation of 233 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:54,400 many of the Venezuelan deportees in return for 10 American 234 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,800 citizens to be sent back eventually to the US by the 235 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,320 Venezuelan government. But I just want to remind people 236 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:08,480 of what the San Salvador Centre that one of the toughest prisons 237 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,200 in Latin America, a pioneer project for Buchele the the 238 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,880 president of San Salvador. This was a Reuters report back 239 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,080 then which shows the conditions for the prisoners. 240 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,160 The US has sent. Hundreds of mostly Venezuelan 241 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,160 migrants to be held without trial at this mega prison in El 242 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:35,240 Salvador. It's known as SECOT, an acronym 243 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,200 for Terrorism Confinement Center in Spanish. 244 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,520 The prison opened in February 2023 as part of Salvadoran 245 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,280 President Naive Buchelli's highly popular hardline security 246 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,200 policy, which has resulted in a sharp drop in homicides. 247 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,720 El Salvador claims it is Latin America's biggest, with capacity 248 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:01,600 for 40,000 inmates. It stretches across 57 acres and 249 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:06,160 is located in an isolated rural region east of the capital, San 250 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,840 Salvador. Blue Calais has said the prison 251 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,120 cost $115 million to develop and equip. 252 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,240 Video taken from inside the facility often shows prisoners 253 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:25,440 tightly packed together. Sorry, extraordinary horrendous 254 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:30,400 conditions that these probably majority innocent detainees were 255 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,120 being held in. And this basically was something 256 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,120 that happened back in May where Venezuela's government has 257 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,240 launched a campaign demanding the return of two year old 258 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,560 Michael Espinosa Bernal, who remains in US custody after both 259 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,440 her parents were deported without her. 260 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,320 Her parents were accused of being gang members without any 261 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,480 evidence or criminal charges. Her mother was deported to 262 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,600 Venezuela, while her father was sent to El Salvador and 263 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,320 imprisoned indefinitely without charge in the notorious secret 264 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,840 prison. So let's just have a look at the 265 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:09,640 photo of the family prior to the the deportation of the parents. 266 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,920 Now, since then, I'm happy to report that the Venezuelan 267 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,000 government has campaigned and the baby has been returned to 268 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,480 her parents, with the father having been released in the 269 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,000 latest deal with the United States from the Secot prison in 270 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,600 San Salvador. And now, of course, what is 271 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,800 happening is that Venezuela is accusing El Salvador of 272 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,080 torturing the migrants under their control in the Secot 273 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,560 prison. The attorney general, Tarek 274 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,280 Saab, said Monday that his office will investigate 275 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,480 President Naive Bokele and two officials over alleged abuse of 276 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,800 Venezuelans detained in El Salvador. 277 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,880 And let's see what he actually said in In the report, which is 278 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:55,160 on France, 24 detainees suffered human rights abuses ranging from 279 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,320 sexual abuse to beatings, were denied medical care or treated 280 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,840 without anesthesia, and given food and water. 281 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,840 That made them I'll, Saab said at a press conference. 282 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,480 Some detainees showed obvious signs of torture and injuries, 283 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,000 including missing teeth, bruising and scars, which were 284 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,920 said to be as a result of the abuse they suffered in what 285 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,160 appears to be like nothing more than another CIA black site. 286 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:27,080 And I just want to show this video of the return of the 287 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,800 American prisoners from Venezuela to San Salvador. 288 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,680 And then it will be followed by images of the Venezuelan 289 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,840 detainees returning to Caracas and, and you can see the 290 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:45,600 difference between the between the two. 10US detainees held in 291 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,320 Venezuela waved American flags as they touched down in El 292 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,240 Salvador on Friday. The group on route to the US is 293 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,480 part of a coordinated prisoner exchange. 294 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,160 Over 200 Venezuelans who were deported from the US on 295 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,920 allegations of gang membership earlier this year and detained 296 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,359 in an El Salvador jail arrived home to Caracas. 297 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,720 U.S. President Donald Trump had 298 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,960 invoked the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to swiftly deport them to El 299 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,800 Salvador's notorious sea. Caught. 300 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,200 Maximum security prison. The deportations drew fierce 301 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,200 criticism from human rights groups and a legal battle with 302 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,119 the Trump administration over allegations that due process was 303 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,880 not followed. Family members and lawyers 304 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,600 representing many of the detained Venezuelans deny they 305 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,280 had gang ties, and lawyers say they were not given a chance to 306 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,000 contest the Trump administration's allegations in 307 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:44,280 court. And of course, there are 308 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,800 benefits for San Salvador and Naive Buchello as a result of 309 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:56,480 him providing the prison area for for these deportees to be 310 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:01,120 kept and clearly tortured. And so this was an article in 311 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:04,120 the last few days from the New York Times how El Salvador is 312 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:07,560 reaping rewards from Trump's deportation agenda. 313 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,600 And let's have a look at what it actually says. 314 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,160 So in part of the article, they say that an investigation led by 315 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,240 The New York Times found that the US government not only paid 316 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,280 Mr. Buchelli's government around 5 million to incarcerate more 317 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,280 than 200 Venezuelan deportees, but added a bonus at his 318 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,440 request. The return to El Salvador of 319 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,160 several top MS13 leaders in American custody. 320 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:37,200 MS13 are basically a San Salvador gang that originated in 321 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:42,680 Los Angeles to ostensibly protect refugees from San 322 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,640 Salvador during the civil war. And then basically, if if we 323 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,840 consider that what might happen with this project that has been 324 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,080 launched by Bokele and profited from by Trump, of course, this 325 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,960 could lead to the replication of these kind of prisons and 326 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,320 detention centres across Latin America, just as we saw 327 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,680 previously in the Middle East to act as detention centres for 328 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,640 deportees and torture centres for anyone that that the US 329 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,360 deems to be ready for deportation. 330 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:20,680 But then I also wanted to show this is actually an article in 331 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,640 the Telegraph that was published today. 332 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,400 Inside Alligator Alcatraz, prisoners describe nightmare 333 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,520 conditions. And if we have a look at the 334 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,840 content of the article itself, cooped up like chickens in 335 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,120 cages, eaten alive by bloodthirsty mosquitoes, and 336 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:40,960 living in cells said to be awash with human waste and filth. 337 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,840 They're just some of the appalling conditions described 338 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,520 at Alligator Alcatraz, the Florida prison which has become 339 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,840 the latest symbol of the Trump administration's uncompromising 340 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,080 attitude on immigration enforcement. 341 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,560 Built on the site of an abandoned airstrip deep in 342 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,680 Florida's Everglades, set in a mosquito ridden swamp infested 343 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,440 with pythons and crawling with alligators, the mega jail can 344 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,400 house up to 3000 migrants. There's only one Rd. 345 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,520 The only way is out through a one way flight, declared 346 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,600 Caroline Leavitt, the White House press secretary. 347 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:19,680 Last month, and I think one of the more frightening aspects of 348 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,120 this, which is where I bring in the comparison to what is 349 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:26,040 happening in Gaza and effectively across the Middle 350 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:31,800 East, this was a statement from a Venezuelan detainee in this 351 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,760 Alcatraz. The conditions in which we are 352 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,240 living are inhuman. My main concern is the 353 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,880 psychological pressure they're putting on people to sign their 354 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,560 own self deportation. Well, that reminds me very much 355 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,800 of the situation in Gaza, where people are being put forced to 356 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,840 go through such horrific conditions that they will be 357 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,000 forced to leave of their own volition. 358 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,680 Thank you for that, Vanessa. Thank you. 359 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,600 Quite grim. And as you say, there'll be, 360 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,680 we'll be sort of linking that to what's going on in Gaza later on 361 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,080 in the programme. Before we get there though, we'd 362 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,000 just like to say thank you once again to anybody and everybody 363 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,760 that is supporting the UK column. 364 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,320 We do need your ongoing financial support. 365 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,840 So if you can possibly do that, please click on the button on 366 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,920 the front page of the UK column website and you can see the 367 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,520 various ways that you can support us. 368 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,200 If you can't support us financially, then please at 369 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,120 least share our material and that helps greatly as well. 370 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,440 Now tonight on Germ Warfare, Germ will be speaking to 371 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,160 Austrian Scott and he's going to be talking about debunking myths 372 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,120 about China. Tomorrow at 1:00 PM on the live 373 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,840 stream. Brian will be speaking to Lynn 374 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:53,480 Lopez Salzedo who is Israeli but former Zionist becoming an anti 375 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,320 Zionist and she'll be talking about that journey. 376 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,240 I saw a few other advertisements here on Friday. 377 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,880 This Friday evening, Andrew Bridging will be speaking in the 378 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,560 Seven Stars Hotel in Totnes. Tickets are going fast for that. 379 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,920 I urge everybody that would like to go that anybody that's in the 380 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,160 Southwest, please do consider going to it and grab your ticket 381 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,040 on Eventbrite if you possibly can. 382 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,920 Tickets are available on the door but as I say tickets are 383 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,640 going fast so probably best if you possibly can to book in 384 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,160 advance. And then on Saturday the a 385 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,800 Glasgow Peace rally. Stanford Peace is hosting the 386 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,160 latest Glasgow Peace Rally in Glasgow. 387 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,920 It starts at 12:00 PM. Details will be in the show 388 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,840 notes, but get along to that if you possibly can. 389 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:46,200 And Sandy, very briefly, then well, welcome to the programme. 390 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,120 First of all, but very briefly, the the Glastonbury event that's 391 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,760 been on and off and on and off is apparently on again. 392 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,120 It's finally on and it's on private land in Langport in 393 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:00,920 Somerset, celebrating freedom of speech with Clive de Clark, 394 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,360 Richard Vogbes and myself. Arrive at 1:00 PM. 395 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:10,640 I'll be speaking about all things 2030 as usual and there's 396 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,800 a wood fired pizza and a bar open till 11:00 PM and it's the 397 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:21,360 happy end the Windmill Lane TA10 9EP so come along and enjoy 398 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,720 freedom of speech. Thank you. 399 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,080 And then finally, well, no, not quite finally, almost finally, 400 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,080 the Hope Festival. We will all be at the Hope 401 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,640 Festival. And we, in fact, we're in charge 402 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,320 of a tent for a whole day. Charles for speaking events. 403 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,000 Believe it or not, we are. Yeah, I know that would be a 404 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,400 terrific day. All day Saturday UK call them, 405 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,880 have the tent. So get to the event 1st and then 406 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,840 get to the tent. And then finally, the UK column 407 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,760 on location event, the date for the Darius the 18th of October 408 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,720 2025. The topic's going to be health 409 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,920 tickets going on sale on Monday the 28th. 410 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,520 That's this coming Monday. And we'll have details of 411 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,520 speakers and so on for you then. So well, anything else to add? 412 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,080 Well, I think to make the point that tickets both in person and 413 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,640 live stream tickets will be going on sale on on Monday. 414 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,400 So if you know you're not going to be able to make it in person, 415 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,360 don't worry, you will be able to to get your live stream tickets 416 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:17,600 immediately. OK, now, Charles, let's talk 417 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,760 about the ongoing inquest into the daughter of Kate Schemerani. 418 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,000 Yes, absolutely. Now, Brian was talking about 419 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,640 this, or at least the way it's been treated by elements of the 420 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,280 mainstream media on Monday and therefore today what we're going 421 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,600 to do is start with a report from Will Coleshill, who's been 422 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,320 following the inquest into the death of Pomoma Schemerani. 423 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:42,440 Hello, my name is Will Coleshill, reporting for UK 424 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,160 column and today I'm down at Ken and Midway Coroner's Court 425 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,600 reporting on the inquest into the death of Paloma Shamrani and 426 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,120 about whom many people would have heard quite a lot 427 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,880 considering the recent BBC smears and attacks. 428 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,800 Obviously many people will know Paloma as the daughter of Kate, 429 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,160 famous freedom activist, but this has been a very interesting 430 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,000 case. It involves the NHS, involves 431 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,720 the BBC parano Rama, Mariana Spring and we have had the first 432 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,960 day of the inquest today. We've seen a few bombshells 433 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,320 being dropped this day, mostly focused around the evidence of a 434 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,520 Doctor Mohan, one of the key doctors who's going to be 435 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,200 testifying in this case. Now, most of the claims and most 436 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,800 the attacks by the BBC revolved around the concept that Kate was 437 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,120 somehow coercing her daughter into dangerous medical treatment 438 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,640 and these were put forth by her son Sebastian and Gabriel. 439 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,120 Gabriel was in court today. He attempted to question Doctor 440 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:41,080 Mohan on this as the coercion and Doctor Mohan was quite clear 441 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,040 Paloma had competence and there was no coercion was being 442 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,200 alleged here by Cake is that her daughter was medicated without 443 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,560 her consent which weakened her and moved her down the path to 444 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,360 her death. Cake had the opportunity today 445 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,920 to question Doctor Mohan and took a substantial amount of 446 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:03,480 time questioning her and her conduct and that of her 447 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,280 colleagues. In particular our concerns with 448 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:13,000 what drugs Gloma was given, when she was given them, how much she 449 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,120 was given and whether she was given the correct information 450 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,520 and even the correct information as to her diagnosis. 451 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,680 Some of the main contention points were that she was given 452 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,040 no wristband by which to identify her, the fact that she 453 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,840 did not sign a written consent form as is part of the procedure 454 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,320 of the hospital, the fact that she was given a large dose of 455 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,360 steroids as admitted by Doctor Mohan. 456 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:40,960 Despite it being alleged she was only offered a small dose, and 457 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,280 being denied her information, including her Histology, in 458 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,800 order to make an informed decision which she could pass 459 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,800 over to doctors for second opinions. 460 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:55,040 In fact, Paloma was allegedly only able to get her Histology 461 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,720 through a subject access report. But I spoke to some of the 462 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,960 mainstream media reporters down here today and it was quite 463 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,720 interesting that a lot of them weren't aware of the statements. 464 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,680 Her statements couldn't be clearer. 465 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,640 They are very, very specific that she said that she wanted to 466 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,920 choose the natural path over chemotherapy, which she 467 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,080 considered to be dangerous. It seems in this case, her 468 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,120 mother's position and her mother's prominence may have 469 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,080 factored into how doctors treated Paloma. 470 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,400 In fact, after Paloma discharged herself, doctors were still 471 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,360 attempting to persuade Paloma to go back into chemotherapy for a 472 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,040 substantial amount of time. There was some contention with 473 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,080 the coroner between the coroner and Kate, as Kate continually 474 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,000 read out again and again the statements signed by Paloma. 475 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,960 At some point Kate was muted, which was particularly 476 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,680 interesting in the court. However, it is more relaxed than 477 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,400 most courts have been down to now. 478 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,720 This is just the first day of this inquest. 479 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,600 This is just the first stage which led to Paloma moving in 480 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,560 with her mother to look after her, keep her safe before the 481 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,920 eventual incident that led to her death. 482 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,360 But this is the start of that road. 483 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,280 I'm going to be back down covering more of this and I 484 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,600 think there are massive implications with regards to it. 485 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,720 We'll have more from Will in due course about this, but it's 486 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,000 perfectly obvious, even if you've had no previous contact 487 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,880 with this case, that there are enormous number of issues that 488 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:34,040 come out of it that that bear serious scrutiny and indeed many 489 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,880 that concern elements well beyond the remit of the various 490 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,440 organisations and medical professionals that were 491 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,640 concerned in this case. On top of which, of course, 492 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,440 regardless of your point of view on Kate Shamarani or indeed the 493 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,640 the wider family, the fact that the family has been dragged into 494 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,280 this in a sort of propagandist, sensationalist sense is, 495 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,280 objectively speaking, seemingly completely abhorrent. 496 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,240 Now what I'd like to do is point you towards an article published 497 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,640 on the UK column website just yesterday by Eugenie Vernie when 498 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,840 Marianna met the Shemeranis. How reporting becomes 499 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,120 propaganda. Now you'll remember that Brian 500 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,280 has recently spoken to Eugenie for a very interesting interview 501 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,600 about her career in journalism and indeed how she's seen the 502 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,200 system be subverted in front of her very eyes. 503 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,960 It's a very well constructed piece and I really would 504 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,600 encourage that you do look at that and also in terms of UK 505 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,920 column content. The other issue that that's 506 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,280 brought to the fore is this very problematic area of organ and 507 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,480 tissue donation and No Time to Die, an article which is on the 508 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,320 website and has been some time by Doctor Mike Williams really 509 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,280 gets into all the issues that that presents. 510 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,040 So there's there is a lot more to come out in this. 511 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,800 I don't know, Mike, if you've got a few words to say on this 512 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,520 or whether it's something that we look into more in in extra, 513 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,800 but nonetheless, I really would encourage you to go into those 514 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,640 articles on the website. Now, we'll, we'll cover this 515 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,600 more in extra, but in a related topic, you know, another day, 516 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,160 another the platform has decided to leave the UK because of the 517 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,400 Online Safety Act. And what we're talking about 518 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,600 here in many ways is related to freedom of speech and the 519 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,720 ability to make your own decisions and these kinds of 520 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,800 things. Now, in this case, it is an 521 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,280 organization called or a company called Janitor AI, which very 522 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,680 few will be sad to see them gone perhaps, but it's the principle 523 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,080 which is of importance here. In their statement, Janitor AI 524 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,240 said quotes. We have to block UK access to 525 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:42,000 Janitor AI starting July 24th and just so that's just four 526 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,640 days notice, they said the in the blog post they said, I know 527 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,720 this is a terrible, this is terrible timing and I'm 528 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,920 genuinely sorry about that. We've been trying to wrap our 529 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,840 heads around the UK Online Safety Act and honestly a 530 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,640 completely botched understanding what this thing actually 531 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,360 requires. When it first passed, they said 532 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,520 in the blog post I thought, OK, some new content moderation 533 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,160 rules, we can handle that. Turns out I was dead wrong. 534 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,240 This is not just a content moderation, this is a complete 535 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,480 regulatory framework that assumes every platform is a tech 536 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,880 giant. And this is the problem and very 537 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,880 much the point that we at the UK column have been making since 538 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,640 the beginning of this. And in the blog post, they go on 539 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,840 to say that the requirements are insane. 540 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,000 They talk about legal risk assessments that cost more than 541 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,840 our entire monthly budget. They talk about biometric ID 542 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,880 verification systems, brackets. Reddit is implementing Persona 543 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:40,360 for It's for this, which costs 1 1/2 dollars, $1.50 per person. 544 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,440 Constant legal review of thousands of pages of guidelines 545 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,560 that keep changing. And they talk about the 546 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,320 penalties, which include fines of up to £18 million plus 547 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,200 personal criminal liability for the chief executive and their 548 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,320 team. Actual jail time if Ofcom 549 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,400 decides that they screwed up. Well, the janitor AI statement 550 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,080 mentioned that Reddit will be using Persona for age 551 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,240 verification. Now they say that Persona, 552 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,960 sorry, this is Persona. They say at Persona, we're 553 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,840 humanizing online identity by helping companies verify that 554 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,600 their users are who they say they are. 555 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,640 Now this is really ironic because there's literally 0 556 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,320 information about the Persona team or its board on their 557 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,560 website. And bearing in mind that they're 558 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,960 collecting their collection is all collecting data is all about 559 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,240 what is what their company is all about. 560 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,240 So they're collecting highly sensitive personal information, 561 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,080 ostensibly for Know your customer purposes, and their 562 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,720 privacy policies and disclosures provide exactly no information 563 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,520 about limitations and how data that they collect is kept. 564 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,840 So, you know, it's pretty ironic that they refuse to comment on 565 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,400 who they are. But in the meantime, then Ofcom 566 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,880 has published its guidelines for yet another layer of compliance 567 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,560 administration which every platform will have to carry out, 568 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,920 and that's transparency reports. Now this requirement will apply 569 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,760 to all categorized services, So larger companies, or at least 570 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,960 companies with more than 3,000,000 UK users. 571 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,240 This might seem like a great thing. 572 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,880 Platforms will have to publish reports detailing how they've 573 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,080 kept children safe. But this is again cover for 574 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,200 censorship, as the fact checkers are well aware of, because 575 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,000 they're banged to be part of the regime. 576 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,440 They demand to be given access to data related to so-called 577 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,320 misinformation so that that data becomes part of the transparency 578 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,440 reporting. It is still unclear to what 579 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,560 degree that will take place, but one of the bodies which Ofcom is 580 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,520 still required to set up as part of the Online Safety Act is 581 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,280 called the Advisory Committee on Disinformation and 582 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,600 Misinformation and the fact checkers expect to be part of 583 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,080 that. So since the Online Safety Act 584 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,400 has moved on a pace and with each new development we see a 585 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,360 greater and greater chilling effect on freedom of speech. 586 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,360 Now I'll just end by pointing out this repeal the Online 587 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,400 Safety Act petition, which has around 30,000 signatures 588 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,040 including mine. I would urge everyone, no matter 589 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,679 what we might think about petitions to sign it because as 590 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,320 just make the point yet again, who is silent has taken to agree 591 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,880 and so on. So it's, you know, it doesn't 592 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,120 really matter what we think about the effectiveness of these 593 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,040 things. We should be taking, in my 594 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,719 opinion at least, every opportunity to make our opinions 595 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,000 known. Quite right. 596 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,639 Yeah, absolutely. Sandy, let's welcome you back to 597 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:47,080 the program. And recently you were at the 598 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:52,320 Dissident Southwest event. Yes, indeed, and it was a it was 599 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,200 a brilliant weekend and reporting back on this meeting 600 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,600 distant Southwest, we held it in Exeter this weekend. 601 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,440 It was 3 days focused on alternative health and regional 602 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,200 sovereignty, attending reform, former Conservative MP Andrew 603 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,760 Bridgen and David Curtin from the Heritage Party. 604 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,960 We had a speaker, David Leighty who addressed the banking fraud 605 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,280 and he's setting up alternative people's councils which is a 606 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,120 very interesting thing. I mean these these events are so 607 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,120 important because people come, they exchange ideas and get 608 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,400 empowered and the hope is that they just won't go home and 609 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,840 watch TV but they'll galvanise themselves. 610 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,920 We had Glynn Owen who collaborated with the the 611 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,520 original 7 concerned citizens of Torbay, Devon and Cornwall. 612 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,960 The seven concerned citizens have issued default notices and 613 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,080 contacted clerks from over 450 councils requiring them to 614 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,880 declare a food and farming emergency and this is really 615 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,080 gaining traction. Town and city councils are being 616 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,200 forced to listen to the people. Do visit their website 617 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,480 sevenconcernedcitizens.co.uk. We had Chris Coverdale, he ran a 618 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,080 workshop on the Freedom Co-op Southwest and Tax Rebellion 619 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,320 which was well attended. I delivered a presentation 620 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,280 reviewing the three key government papers on devolution. 621 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,080 Now Ben and I have focused on devolution in the past few weeks 622 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,160 to really ensure that people understand the pitfalls of 623 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,800 devolution. And it's important because once 624 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,200 democracy is lost, there's no going back, you know it'll be 625 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,120 lost forever. And to summarise, a total of 626 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:43,240 approximately 360 town councils and city councils in the UK will 627 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,760 be drilled down, boiled down to about 7 or 8 regions, reflecting 628 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,120 Tony Blair's original plan in the 1990s to align with the EU 629 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,040 federal England. Each of these regions will 630 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,720 appoint a mayor for energy and climate, whose responsibilities 631 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:01,960 will be centred exclusively on on matters related to net zero. 632 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,280 The government is selling it to us as a democracy for the 633 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,040 people, but it's the exact opposite. 634 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,440 You know, authority from count, you know, will be, will move 635 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,520 from councils and Whitehall and to mayors, reducing your 636 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,560 influence really on opportunities to, to challenge 637 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,160 any decisions made. It's crucial to understand that 638 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,400 this distance, this distances you from decision making and 639 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,560 your democracy will be lost. And that's what Agenda 2030 640 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,320 needs. The plan allows for relaxed 641 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,040 planning rules on surveillance and 5G infrastructure, making 642 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,480 opposition impossible. As the mayors will have 643 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,760 increased powers over planning applications, there'll be more 644 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,760 restrictions on cars, meat, dairy consumption and possible 645 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,360 possible future kind of lockdowns, geofencing lockdowns 646 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,320 or or health lockdowns. So here's a clip of my talk on 647 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,480 Sunday what devolution means for the UK. 648 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:08,880 It means net 0 restrict restrictions such as more 649 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,880 Eulers, more healthy ends, 15 minute cities, 20 mile an hour 650 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,000 zones, increased surveillance, bans on gas and wood burning 651 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,000 stoves, higher carbon taxation, forced retrofitting of our home. 652 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,720 And they're going to use the climate change and the power 653 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,600 they're called the Global Covenant of Mayors for Energy 654 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,840 and Climate. Now these a bit like what Sadiq 655 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,880 Khan is in, in, in London. If you imagine a Sadiq Khan in 656 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,240 every region, that is what we're looking at. 657 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,480 So This is why all these restrictions and, and things 658 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,400 will, if they get their way will be happening because they, 659 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,880 they're selling it as a benefit to us. 660 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,840 Oh, let's get rid of the power of Parliament. 661 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,000 Let's transfer it all over to these local mayors. 662 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,680 And they're going to be so much better. 663 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,880 These guys have got your interests at heart. 664 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,320 That is not true. You will lose all your, you 665 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,760 know, every bit of the last vestment of democracy that we 666 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:16,240 have will be gone. So yes, there's plenty of 667 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,880 information out there. We, we can and we must oppose 668 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,560 this. I mean, so subscribe to 669 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,200 ukcitizen.org and look at their legal pack packs. 670 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,400 They've got loads of downloadable stuff. 671 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,200 So you can, you can oppose this and challenge your councils on 672 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,920 other issues as well. Join your local residents 673 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,480 association. We had Cassie Langford speaking 674 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:42,760 about their successes and I'll be speaking about the National 675 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,080 that the National Residents Association later in the show. 676 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,640 Write to your MPs on mass, Make a noise. 677 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,680 Intelligent strategic dissent really does work. 678 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,840 I've put in information in the show notes to help you to oppose 679 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,200 this with templates for councils and MPs. 680 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,640 So you know, we've really got to get get this going because if 681 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,720 once we've lost, our democracy is gone forever. 682 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,320 Back to you, Mike. Thank you, Sandy and I just once 683 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,080 again would say urge people that if you are using a template, 684 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,600 it's fantastic the templates are made available and thank you for 685 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,640 that Sandy and also Big Brother Watch providing templates. 686 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,920 Please make sure you take, make the effort to make it your own 687 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,360 because if it's perceived by people as being, you know, an 688 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,560 organized Internet campaign, they'll, it just, it loses its 689 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,440 effect. And so you make the effort to to 690 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,440 make it personal. OK, let's come back on to the 691 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,440 war agenda then. And well, as we forecast in 692 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,440 October last year, it looks like United States nuclear weapons 693 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:54,360 are back on British soil. USB-601-12 nuclear bombs seem to 694 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,400 have been transferred to RAF Lake and Heath, the US base in 695 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,880 eastern England that's home to F35 stealth fighters and F15 696 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,840 Strike Eagles. Now these are this is AUS base 697 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,080 even though it's got a an RAF label on it. 698 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,560 But now this article here from the Aviationist reports on the 699 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,720 arrival into Lake and Heath of AUS Air Force C-17 cargo plane 700 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:23,160 which flew non-stop supported by mid air refuelling from Kirtland 701 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,800 Air Force Base, New Mexico to Lake and Heath. 702 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,840 It arrived at Lake and Heath on the 17th of July, coinciding 703 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,840 with airspace restrictions over the base which are going to last 704 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,400 until this coming Saturday. The particular C-17 used on this 705 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,720 flight is assigned to the 62nd Vision Airlift Wing at Joint 706 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:47,560 Base Lewis McCord in Washington state, and the 62nd is the only 707 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,280 unit in the United States Air Force certified for what are 708 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,360 called Prime Nuclear Airlift Force missions. 709 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,640 This is all coincidental with Starmer's announcement of the 710 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,360 NATO summit a few weeks ago of the plan to buy a nuclear 711 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,920 capable F35A's, although they're supposed to be based at RAF 712 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,560 Maram, which is about 20 miles away, and also to join NATO's 713 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,080 joint sharing plan. So, I mean, I don't know very 714 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,440 briefly if you've got any thoughts on that, but you know, 715 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,960 the last time the there were nuclear weapons based, US 716 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,080 nuclear weapons based in the United Kingdom, there was quite 717 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,040 a lot of protest about it. And one would expect the same 718 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,920 now, if that were to to, to be founded on, on fact. 719 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,000 Absolutely. But I wonder if that will be the 720 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,480 case. I mean, this is this is exactly 721 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,040 what we're talking about. You know, at what point are 722 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,960 people going to agree that prosecuting a war somewhere else 723 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,400 is actually the right thing to be doing? 724 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,880 We just we keep looking out for some event that's going to tip 725 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,920 people into that that belief. But umm, but absolutely be. 726 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,040 I mean the the direction of travel is very much to suggest 727 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,880 that this could well turn out to be the case. 728 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,360 Indeed, and the, as I say, you know, you're right to point this 729 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,480 out, the, the evidence for it is circumstantial at the moment, 730 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,320 but you know, we did report last year that uh, the, the 731 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,880 developments, the building work that was going on at, uh, Aiken 732 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,720 Heath in order to support this kind of thing. 733 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:10,000 So it would not be surprising, Uh, now further to the 734 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,880 Kensington treaty then signed last week, uh, which formalised 735 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,040 the so-called E3 as the key war mongers of Europe. 736 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,320 Chatham House has published an article on this very topic. 737 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,920 Uh, they point out that the Kensington treaty quotes also 738 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,760 anchors the bilateral relationship into the white. 739 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,240 This is the relationship between the UK and Germany into the 740 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:32,280 wider European framework framework of the E3 format. 741 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:36,240 Unusual for a bilateral treaty. It expli, it explicitly mentions 742 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,520 the aim to intensify trilateral cooperation between the UK, 743 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,640 Germany and France. Going to say the E3 group 744 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,600 coordinated a European position on the Middle East and the Iran 745 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,640 Israel war. While the framework expanded the 746 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,600 Weimar Plus format, which is France, Germany, Poland, Italy, 747 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,360 the United Kingdom plus the EU and sometimes NATO on supporting 748 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,360 Ukraine against Russian aggression. 749 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,880 And they said that the UK and France are also leading the 750 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,360 coalition of the willing a reassurance force for potential 751 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,680 ceasefire in Ukraine. Well, of course, it's not about 752 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,320 a potential ceasefire in Ukraine at all. 753 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,400 It's just about the further development of that. 754 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,880 So an interesting article and really making the point that the 755 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:25,720 E3 seems to be the main axis for the future war plans that that 756 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,200 have been what we've been reporting on for quite a lot of 757 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,720 years now. But Vanessa, let's come back to 758 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:38,080 you and Gaza. Yeah, well, as I said, you know 759 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:43,240 what the Trump external detention or detention by proxy 760 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:46,640 and sensor and potentially other Latin American countries reminds 761 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:53,760 me, basically make life so unbearable that people will self 762 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,080 deport from the United States. This is an image in the last two 763 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,880 days from Gaza and there are many flooding social media right 764 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,440 now. I'm not going to show some of 765 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,920 the more dramatic or or upsetting, although there was a 766 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,200 video published today of Israel bombing a child and A and a 767 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,960 woman who was searching or scavenging for food amongst the 768 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,040 rubble. I recommend everybody to follow 769 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,680 the sub stack of Dennis Kucinich. 770 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,520 You will probably know him as the campaign adviser for Robert 771 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:31,640 F Kennedy Junior. He left when Kennedy showed 772 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,840 himself to be an Uber Zionist supporter. 773 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,480 And this is just one section from his latest sub stack 774 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,240 talking about how the US is complicit in the genocide in 775 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,160 Gaza. He says witness Gaza look at the 776 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,240 faces of a people stripped bare with the curse of nothingness. 777 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:55,440 For it is our own future unless we change America's direction in 778 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,320 the world. And of course, I will add the UK 779 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,120 and every other member of the Zionist bloc. 2 other images 780 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,960 that I just wanted to share. And how many times have we seen 781 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,600 this? Gaza is not starving. 782 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,160 It is being deliberately starved to death, just as Yemen was, 783 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,600 just as many countries and in the continent of Africa have 784 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,400 been over the years. There is absolutely no need for 785 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,480 starvation in this world today. But of course, those in power 786 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,680 are ensuring that those they want to eradicate are being 787 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,360 starved to death. This is a video that, again, was 788 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,760 published on one particular Telegram Palestinian channel. 789 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,080 So let's have a look at this. What does it truly mean to be 790 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,160 starved in Gaza? It means a reality where one in 791 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,400 three people goes without food for days at a time. 792 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,200 It means a terrifying future where 1,000,000 children are at 793 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:57,200 risk of starving to death. Starvation has already claimed 794 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,960 the lives of over 86 Palestinians, among them 76 795 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,920 innocent children. The closed border crossings have 796 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,200 choked off vital supplies. And in a cruel twist, even 797 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,600 seeking aid has become a death trap, with the hungry being 798 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,280 targeted at aid distribution points. 799 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,360 Unless urgent action is taken, Gaza is on the verge of an 800 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,000 official famine declaration by this coming September. 801 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:33,880 I mean, I would say that we're already at at the most I run out 802 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,440 of words to actually describe what's happening in Gaza. 803 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,320 But this is the July OCHA humanitarian update. 804 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,600 I've just taken 1 section but the full report will be in the 805 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,240 show notes. And again, what they say is 806 00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:49,680 while cooked meal provision at community kitchens continue at a 807 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:55,760 limited scale, around 240 to 250,000 daily on average, Of 808 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,200 course, there's a population of around 2 million in Gaza. 809 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,280 General food distribution remains paused as most 810 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,320 humanitarian food cargo collection is paused across the 811 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,040 strip because of the attacks on the people going to try and 812 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,120 collect aid for their families. Most have been suspended in 813 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,960 southern Gaza since the 4th of July. 814 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,840 And I just want to look quickly at this map that was also 815 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,440 contained within the report. You're going to have to freeze 816 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,920 frame and and zoom in. But basically if you look at all 817 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,320 of the colours, what they are the, the orange, the deep 818 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,280 purple, the the lavender. They're militarized zones or 819 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,160 zones that are under displacement orders since March 820 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,400 or combined displacement militarized zones. 821 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,720 So that gives you an indication of the spaces that are actually 822 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:45,680 left for Palestinians to to relocate to that are then being 823 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,360 bombed on a regular basis. Just horrendous conditions. 824 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,600 But again, I compare it to what's happening globally, not 825 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,240 only in Gaza and not only in the region here. 826 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,760 Yes. Well, thank you for that report, 827 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:07,520 Vanessa Charles. Yes, coming onto matters in this 828 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,720 country and something of an environmental round up. 829 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,320 Steve Reed, the environment secretary, has responded to the 830 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,600 publication of Monday's report from the Independent Water 831 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,200 Commission authored by Sir John Cunliffe. 832 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,480 And I Reid said the government will respond in the autumn, 833 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,480 which means that until then this report really counts for little. 834 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,800 But on the regulatory side of things, off what's to be 835 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,520 abolished. And of course it remains to be 836 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,600 seen whether the new system will have any merit. 837 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,840 Climate change, climate change rather, is of course blamed for 838 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,240 the water system not working. But the reality is rather 839 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:44,160 different and a differing reality is becoming a more 840 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,760 dominant theme. And of course we should keep 841 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,320 sight of this now. As reported by Diane on Monday, 842 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,600 Durham County Council has decided after all, that there is 843 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,560 not a climate emergency. And yet the people of that 844 00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,680 county are at present currently unaffected by this change now. 845 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:05,480 So I'll mark this as a 0 emergency, one of a raft of 846 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,520 failures in the propaganda war concerning climate change. 847 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,240 You may remember that last year Germany's first wind farm, Alpha 848 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:15,840 Ventas, was decommissioned as it no longer made financial sense. 849 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,040 We'll call that a wind fail. In the UK, the Public Accounts 850 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,640 Committee by and large recognised that carbon capture 851 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,840 and storage is extremely expensive, inefficient and a 852 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:31,800 dangerous waste of taxpayers money, delivering no serious 853 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,200 change whatsoever. And back in 2016, NASA research 854 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,040 showed that an increase in carbon dioxide has turned out to 855 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,080 increase the rate at which vegetation grows. 856 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,080 Which of course would have come as a surprise to nobody who 857 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,640 understands what carbon dioxide is actually for. 858 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,600 A propaganda fail there. Now, most recently, and the 859 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,800 reason for this report, is that the BBC are finally daring to 860 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,440 suggest that digging up this bit of ground, as opposed to that 861 00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,440 bit of ground, might not make in much sense in ecological terms. 862 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,120 And here we see a piece on the extraction of lithium in South 863 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:09,080 America, which, as the BBC asks, she sheepishly, is the world's 864 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,120 race to decarbonize, unintentionally stocking another 865 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,600 environmental problem. Now, it's this specific area on 866 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,120 which there should be so much more debate, the intentional 867 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,840 destruction of the environment in order to protect the 868 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,080 environment. And these examples just go to 869 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,600 show what happens when you try to obscure the truth. 870 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,880 Now, of course, this is an area that Sandy has been looking in 871 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,240 for into for a long, long time. So, Sandy, I'd be delighted to 872 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:40,440 hear your comments on what I would say is the falling apart 873 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,720 of this particular narrative. Well, you're, you're absolutely 874 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:47,280 right, Charles. The net 0 narrative is falling 875 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,920 apart and it's been a propaganda life for many, many years. 876 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,880 And I think the more we challenge our, our, our councils 877 00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:02,240 to drop the whole net zero climate emergency, the better it 878 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,800 will be because they're really under pressure now to listen to 879 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,800 us. Because the, you know, if you 880 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,000 like the, the cats out of the bag and you know, we, they, they 881 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,240 can't, they can't defend this anymore. 882 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,240 It's, it's absolutely ridiculous. 883 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,840 And you know, the, the, the lithium battery thing, I mean, 884 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,280 lithium batteries burst into flames. 885 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,280 We've got problems with storage and all sorts of things, so 886 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,640 absolutely we have to really fight this tooth and nail. 887 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,800 Super Sandy, thanks very much indeed. 888 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,560 And you heard her. Get out that and fight it 889 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,480 locally, of course. That's the place to start and 890 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,760 that's the place to get things done. 891 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,000 Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, so sorry, Sandy. 892 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:45,960 Let's move on, then, to the National Residence Association. 893 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,320 Yes, I mean, Cassie Langford spoke about the National 894 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,720 Residents Association at the Distant Southwest meeting this 895 00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,240 weekend. Now, this is how they describe 896 00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,640 themselves on their website, and they are a really good Action 897 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,880 Group. They were founded in 2022 by a 898 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,240 group of concerned residents from around the United Kingdom. 899 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,000 The aim was to create a national group which can help people 900 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,560 protect their national and local communities. 901 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,560 And as you can see there, it's got all sorts of different 902 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,280 concerns that people may have and it all fits into this 903 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:25,040 framework of understanding that we can come together with these 904 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,160 concerns and and, you know, approach our councils. 905 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,200 New members are welcome from anywhere in the UK and more 906 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,040 associations that join the more influence we have. 907 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,600 So what happens when a group of residents empower themselves and 908 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,120 challenge their town council after repeatedly being ignored 909 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,240 at council meetings? On the 10th of July, 40 910 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,400 frustrated people from the Merseyside National Residents 911 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:54,080 Association descended on Sefton Council and had the audacity to 912 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,640 ask them a few questions. Now this is a problem up and 913 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,200 down our country where ineffectual and uninformed 914 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,280 councils are buckling under the strain of dissatisfied residents 915 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,800 who have very genuine concerns. They ask questions about the 916 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,240 cost of immigration, serious local safeguarding issues, 5G 917 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:15,960 policies and planning and Net 0 expenditure. 918 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:19,800 Sefton Council's reaction to these questions was really quite 919 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,880 shocking. To be fair, one councillor tried 920 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,880 to answer, but as questions from the last meeting had been 921 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,240 ignored and with 40 annoyed constituents in the room, the 922 00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:31,680 council became increasingly defensive. 923 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,400 As they had no meaningful means of addressing these answers, the 924 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,960 meeting spiralled into chaos. The mayor, unable to respond, 925 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,400 decided to pause the meeting. Which is their way of saying 926 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,400 we're going to just pretend this isn't happening. 927 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,000 And despite the residents not being aggressive or threatening, 928 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,880 but simply asking reasonable questions, the mayor abandoned 929 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,800 the meeting and called the police. 930 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,920 There's nothing like calling the police when you've lost control 931 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,520 of a situation because somebody's asked why are we 932 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,840 spending 1.1 million on immigration related grants when 933 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,640 we're in a we're in a a cost of living crisis. 934 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,800 So one councillor even uttered the words fascist under his 935 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,200 breath. Clearly the definition of 936 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,520 fascism is standing in a town hall reading out Freedom of 937 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,360 Information requests. That's their idea of fascism. 938 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,480 The positive aspect of this is that the public is becoming more 939 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,960 aware and challenging these council. 940 00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:28,800 So let's see what happened in Sefton Town Council, starting 941 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,800 with this video of a woman very concerned about safeguarding 942 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,160 women and children on the streets of Sefton. 943 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,320 So I ask again. Will you hold a public meeting 944 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,320 to address residents safeguarding concerns face to 945 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:49,440 face and show that you take seriously your duty to protect 946 00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:55,640 all of us? Then we had a gentleman asking 947 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,680 about expenditure of net zero, and that seems a reasonable 948 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,880 request. How can the Council claim that 949 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,960 its net 0? Policy is justified or 950 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,160 affordable for. Residents, especially during the 951 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,960 cost, cost of living prices with that regard. 952 00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:13,760 We we we see that it's. Time to put a force and. 953 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,680 Appropriate independent review before pushing the head further. 954 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,600 And then finally we have the Council abandoning ship. 955 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:34,480 This is really quite shocking. If we couldn't get out, did you 956 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,520 have to rule out and answer that question? 957 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:48,360 Answer this question to the core. 958 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,040 The love here. That's right. 959 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,320 Well said. That man. 960 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,360 Our children's lives, our young children. 961 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,800 New love, new love. Welcome. 962 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:04,480 Dead questions. Well, that that really is quite 963 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,760 shocking. Councils up and down the country 964 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,960 are taking our money and acting in dishonour. 965 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,080 They're no longer fit for purpose. 966 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,040 We pay their salaries. They need reminding of the Nolan 967 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,000 Principles and be held to account by them. 968 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,640 I doubt if they even know they exist. 969 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,040 So let's remind us what the Nolan principles are. 970 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,840 They councillors must operate with selflessness, integrity, 971 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,440 objectivity, accountability, openness, honesty and 972 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,000 leadership. We're not seeing any of this. 973 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,600 We must keep keep asking and keep showing up at council 974 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,600 meetings. We must be intelligent and 975 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,800 strategic, and we must be empowered. 976 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:41,920 Sandy, thank you very much for that. 977 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,560 I'll just, I'll just end by saying, you know, a lot of years 978 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,360 ago there was an organization that existed that called 979 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,680 themselves the People's Public Trust and they simply went to 980 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,920 their local council meetings in high vis gear and sat and took 981 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,000 notes. They sat quietly and took notes 982 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,440 and they found very quickly Sandy that agenda items would 983 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,040 suddenly that the items that were published in the agenda 984 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,000 would suddenly just not be commented on. 985 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,520 And bearing in mind that a lot of these councils have time 986 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,160 constraints, they want to get some of these policies done and 987 00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,080 dusted within a certain amount of time. 988 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,680 It seems to me that the easiest way to push back against that is 989 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:26,080 to just prevent them from making their deadlines and just just 990 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,560 getting involved in this way Is is the best way to do that. 991 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,600 Yeah, I think, I think if we, if we approach it in a very 992 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:39,040 intelligent way and not an aggressive way and just 993 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,800 literally play them at their own game because, you know, they 994 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,760 clearly do not know what they're doing. 995 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,040 And we do. And we, we, we don't realise our 996 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,840 own power. Yes. 997 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,680 Yeah, I think this is it. I mean, I think, I think the 998 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,920 other aspect is the the way in which councils particularly have 999 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,800 sort of been sleepwalking into this. 1000 00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,960 And first of all, they haven't interrogated the issues that 1001 00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:02,760 they're supposed to be dealing with, but specifically nor the 1002 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,880 legislation which binds them toward what either the council 1003 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,400 above them if if that's if they're sort of lower level. 1004 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,440 And that in turn leads, of course, as you've articulated so 1005 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,200 many times, back to upholding the values of the United Nations 1006 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,120 Sustainable Development Goals. And I think a lot of people even 1007 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,520 in those offices do not realise that is actually written into 1008 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,240 law. And of course, when they get 1009 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,400 caught out, they have nowhere to turn because they've never 1010 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,720 interrogated at the right stage. And and and that presents a 1011 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,640 massive problem. So the message is get involved 1012 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,000 and well, we'll have to leave it there on that message. 1013 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,320 I would say thank you very much Sandy and Vanessa and Charles of 1014 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,280 course, and thank you to everybody that's been watching 1015 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,680 today and we'll be back in a few minutes on the UK column live 1016 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,240 stream. If you are a member, you can 1017 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:55,360 watch some UK column News Extra. Otherwise have a oh great rest 1018 00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,600 of the day. Don't forget Germ at 7:00 PM 1019 00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,840 tonight. Uh, another interview going out 1020 00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,280 at 1:00 PM tomorrow and we'll be back for the news at 1:00 PM on 1021 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,960 Friday as usual. See you then. 1022 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,080 Bye bye. Bye bye.