The threat is if you leave the cult, God will come down and
smite you. Just everything's shattered.
Like, you know, there's no, there is no democracy, there's
no media, there's no true journalism.
Well, I grew up in a cult in a in a Muslim cult cult within a
cult. Amy arrive at the studio.
I need a pee. So I quickly go to the toilet.
David Icke is in the far right corner, exactly as I revisioned
him in a blue sky jumper taking a piss.
Doug Malik, Are you ready to be painted?
Absolutely, this is very different.
Yeah, well, you were surprised, weren't you?
Because you thought we were. You thought you were going to
interview me? Yeah, I'm such an idiot.
Honestly, I'm just wasn't, I thought I was going to interview
you and you're just going to be busy painting and then we can
have a nice chat. It's essentially that.
I think you're very talented,
seriously talented. Like I love your time lapse
videos and showing them with the kids and the paint's all
dripping. And part of me, it's like
paint's dripping. And it's like, no, there's
method to the madness. Trust the plan.
And yeah.
And the kids are like, but there's no eyes.
I'm like, yeah, just wait, wait, wait.
It'll come. Yeah.
And the eyes are difficult. I know because whenever I try
and Draw Something I always mess up by the time I get to the
eyes. OK, do you do bit drawing?
No, I wouldn't call it that. You know what it's like when you
just, yeah, one of the things I like doing with the kids is
like, just draw things we've seen.
So like we've just watched Pacific Rim and there's a big
robot called Jager and my son loves them.
So we we do competitions to draw the best Jaeger.
What I like about your art is like you're literally creating
something from nothing and you capture a lot.
You capture like a bit of sadness, sometimes bit of
pensive, then no one's ever smiling.
That's for. Sure.
No, I don't like that. Can't have that.
Yeah. You're smiling.
Yeah. It doesn't work in a God.
You see. You see people paint and they
paint people with big teethy grins.
No, it doesn't work. Why?
Why it doesn't? It's got a it has to look.
Even if you work from a photograph, it has to look like
you'd be able to hold that pose over a long time, because if it
otherwise it looks like a snapshot.
It doesn't look like a painting, really.
And it looks, I don't know because it is a bit more
serious, it's more dignified. My wife would be great for this
because she's got a resting bitch face.
I just got a resting OK. Whereas I kind of smile quite a
lot. You, you, you have.
Yeah, Your resting face is sort of mildly amused.
Is a kind of mildly amused look, which is not.
It's probably say something about you.
I'm mildly amused at the world. Yeah, just mildly amused.
Yeah, mildly. I've accepted things for what
they are. Yeah.
Has that been a process of acceptance?
Have you struggled with acceptance?
And what does that what what what do we mean by acceptance
exactly? That the world is completely not
what I thought it was up until even two years ago.
So not even the beginning of COVID.
Even two years ago, OK. Just everything shattered like,
you know, there's no, there is no democracy, there is no real
NHS there to help you and make you healthy.
There's no, there's no media, there's no true journalism.
TV is telling a vision and propagandising everything.
Everything. Religion.
Religion is not what I thought it was religions.
What? What did you think religion was?
Well, I grew up in a cult. OK, Catholic or Islam or?
In a in a Muslim cult, cult within a cult.
Oh, a cult within a cult. Yeah, OK.
But you know, when you're in a cult, you don't think you're in
a cult. Well, this is.
No one who's in a cult thinks they're in a cult.
Isn't that the the key to it really?
I got, I once got contacted by someone from the Church of
Scientology. This is when my ex account blew
up after I spoke out against COVID vaccines and they were
trying to recruit me to the Church of Scientology.
And I said isn't, isn't the Church of Scientology A cult?
He was like, what do you mean by that?
Well, what is a cult? And I was like, well,
charismatic leadership that you can't question blindly obedient
followers who police other cult members and make sure they obey,
total control of your lives, social professional.
It's always an element of money involved, sometimes even sexual
things going on, and you can't question.
And if you disobey or are bad, the biggest threat is
excommunication. You get banished from the cult.
And the reality is there's a lot of those around.
I think there's more than people really at first realised, didn't
they? Many of them aren't even
religious. No vaccine cult.
Yeah. Climate cult?
Yeah, go on and on. Yeah, Hollywood cult, fame cult.
So yeah, I was in this cult within the slum and I didn't
realise this cult. I just thought it was a bit
weird. It took a long time for me to
extricate out of that. I think I was about 30 by the
time I thought I've had enough of this.
Oh, OK. But it's difficult when you're
in that your whole life is that your community, your friends,
your family. And you know, the threat is if
you leave the cult, God will come down and smite you.
You know, you're bad, you're an apostate, you know, And then you
start looking into history. History is all a lie.
First World War, Second World War, all the revolutions,
everything, Everything's just the moon landing.
Did that actually happen? 911 Well, that that was not what
we were taught. So it just you just start
thinking everything you know about the world around you isn't
actually as it seems. That can be quite unsettling and
scary. Yeah, I think that's why a lot
of people don't make that leap, isn't it?
It is very unsettling. Do you think it's to do with our
response to trauma? You know, if we're all
traumatised and we're to some extent by our relationship with
our family and predominantly our parents, and then we sort of
become adults and think we've got some kind of normality in
our lives maybe. And then someone comes along and
says, Oh, well, not only do your parents not really love you
properly in the way that they should have done, could have
done, would have done, the government certainly don't love
you in the way that you think they might be out for you.
And I think just for some people, I don't know if you
agree, but it's just too much like surely someone loves me,
like surely not I. Think you're so right.
So did you have like trauma from your childhood?
Well, I had a great normal childhood but at the same time,
without being indulgent, I do recognise the trauma, you know,
I think some people still have a kind of stiff upper lip kind of
mentality, you know. And it's not to be indulgent to
say, but because I think everyone really in this society
is, you know, unless you've got very, very rare parents, you
know, society and your parents will F you up, won't they?
You know, that's is it, Philip Larkin.
So what? What is it that your parents did
that could have like, 'cause that in you?
And how did that manifest itself?
Overachiever. Underachiever.
What happened? Just too laid back, hippie on
some respects and then too distant perhaps in other
respects. Just dealing with their own
stuff, not really knowing how to.
My mum did, to some extent, communicate with me and teach me
how to be open, and I think there's a residual effects of
that. But it's funny.
I was listening to your chat with Danny and you talked about
some of the things your mum was saying to you.
And still ongoing. Yeah, of course.
Yeah, I'm sure. But it reminded me of something.
I remember being on holiday with my mum and we were walking on
the beach and Van Morrison came on the radio.
I can't, I don't know what tune it was and I just remember my
mum turning into my dad and saying it's funny isn't it?
It's got a great voice. I really like Van Morrison, but
it's. Like.
It's funny how he became so popular, being such a little
funny looking bloke like that, you know?
And there's some reason I remember that throwaway comment.
I mean, it was a throwaway comment, but suddenly I was 13.
I was around that age. I was like, this is my role
model, this is my female role model, and she's given me this
message that if you look a bit funny, you don't deserve to be
successful or you can't express art or anything.
She didn't even think she was saying anything.
This is. Such a good point.
You know, and when you send about how your mum was talking
to you, you know, and her stuff, you know, you said it very
philosophically and forgiving, you know, you understand that
your mum's got her stuff, but they still have consequences,
aren't they these? It has got consequences.
These things that happen, you know.
May 100% And so it's this tiniest, littlest things that as
a little child you just walk away with.
And so the abuse, one thing I realised, it's not all sexual
abuse, it's just psychological. It's just all, a lot of it is in
your head and it's most of it is before the age of 7.
And then the way it manifests is you either feel that you're not
good enough, that you're rejected or that you're
abandoned. And then, yeah, and then that
plays out as you get older. But I think individuals can be
traumatised and families can be traumatised, communities,
countries, nations, if we can see that around the world right
now. Yeah, I mean, you'd go back a
couple of generations, you'd think what they want.
You know, Vicky's nan, she just died recently.
She was 101. She'd tell the stories about
we're from Birmingham and tell the stories about how she was
running from the planes coming over and bombing.
She was diving on the ground and, you know, like the films,
classic films, you go, you know, and she lost a house.
Her husband came back. I think they gave him a lobotomy
because of his PTSD from the, you know, like it's just like a
couple of generations down and how, how?
She was asked. That's The funny thing about
trauma, in the sense that I've been through a lot of trauma and
it's made me quite tough and resilient.
Yeah. So in some respects, I'm really
grateful I went through that. And I worry about my kids
because their life is so easy and soft.
Are they getting the training to cope when they get older?
So trauma's not good, but at the same time not having it makes
you soft and weak and not resilient.
It's really funny. Yeah.
Was that saying, isn't there good?
Was it? Strong men breed good times,
good times bring weak men. Weak men breed bad times.
It's a kind of cycle, I suppose. Yeah, I feel the same sometimes
with with my son, but I don't want him to go through.
I don't. You you just need to say around
him next time. Look at that funny looking man.
It's funny how he got successful.
I've won't see Doc Malik do he's this bald, funny looking man.
He's got quite a good podcast go.
He's really strange and that's it.
You've done that. He's grown up really through
COVID. A lot of the development is
before 7, isn't it? He was 7 when COVID came, but
he's quite grounded, you know, because we just talk about, I
mean, I'm, I'm quite positive. Like, I know this real shit
stuff going on in the world, but my overall I believe we live in
a benevolent universe. So I I suppose he has that kind
of ground to. What makes you positive?
I suppose stuff that I've gone through and my own breakdown and
rebuilding and and and taking things right back to basics and.
You had a breakdown. Yeah, big, big breakdown.
What happened then? Oh, I got you.
No, we should be talking about you because otherwise I'll just
like. We can share our breakdowns.
Wait, I need to hear your breakdown first.
Well, I'd just left university and I'd done quite well and
everything was sort of rosy. Nice girlfriend, playing music
in a band. It's all good.
And I'd just read David Icke a few months before my friend had
given me Truth or Set You Free, so my brain was all like just
whizzing. And then I graduated.
And then there was just a point where I was actually in
Birmingham on the bus and some woman put a curse on me and at
the time it felt like the worst thing.
She put a curse. On me, yes, she put a curse.
On me? How'd you know she put a curse
on you? Because she showed me a tarot
card and mumbled something. On her.
You are kidding. Yeah.
So I've. I've never had anyone curse me.
Face. Well, what I felt slightly
aggrieved because there were some kids at the back of the bus
who were taking the piss out of her and she sort of turned
around and thought it was me and I wish I was with Vicky.
We weren't together then, but we were and she sort of did this
and it. She did nothing.
I had no power, what she did, but it, it was a mirror to my
rudderlessness, my not knowing. It was like, you know, fuck all
there. And it was bang and I was like
shit. And I was panicked.
So I had a panic attack and I had to get off the bus to go and
find her so that I could. Of course, I was completely
confused. I thought it was an external
thing. It wasn't an external thing.
So that whole process, yeah, was very intense for about a year.
But I suppose that what I kind of learned through that gives me
like a sense of what's beyond all this crap, what's really
underneath it, which I do believe is truth, beauty, love.
What was it like painting David Dyke after reading his book so
many years earlier? Yeah, it was quite interesting.
That must have been a bit surreal it.
Was it was a bit surreal, but at the.
Same time it's like, whoa, I'm painting David Dyke.
It was more surreal in my head. The idea seemed wow, you know,
like had that ready, but and then 30 years later, whatever
it. Was this is insane.
Can you imagine going back 30 years earlier and going no, by
the way, in 30 years time you'll be painting this?
No, you'd be like, what the fuck?
Get away from it. Yeah.
Yeah, totally, totally. But in actual reality it was
very normal and. Did you hear me sound really
funny? So I went up to the studios in
Derby to interview him because Gareth was like, yeah, come up
here, come up here. It will just be easier for dad.
I was like, all right, OK. And I've never done that.
Every podcast in the studio, I was like, do you know what for
you guys? I'll drive up.
I'm driving up. I'm on this M1.
And I suddenly have this vision that I'm going to arrive.
I'm going to go in the studio, go to the toilets.
You know as you do go to the toilets, first thing you do is
go wee. And as I walk into the toilets
I'll see David in a light blue sky jumper at the urinal taking
the piss. And I was like I was like fuck
am I thinking about this for a while?
I'm driving. It's such a weird thought.
So anyway, arrive at the studio, I need to pee so I quickly go to
the toilet. David Icke is in the far right
corner, exactly as I visioned him in a blue sky jumper taking
a piss. And I'm like, and I go, and I
said in my vision, I said, oh, this is very embarrassing.
And I said it out loud. I went, this is very
embarrassing. I went not really.
I was like, OK, yeah, it's funny.
I had a vision that we were going to do this.
He went, well, there you go then.
And then he reached out to shake my hand and went, no, you
haven't washed your hands. Haram.
And he still didn't wash his hands.
He just walked out. All right.
Oh, God bless him. But yeah, it's a bit surreal.
Yeah, yeah. I literally saw that whole
exchange. That it's really strange, isn't
it? About. 40 minutes before it
actually happened. Well, recently I've been
listening to a lot of religious sort of critique, I suppose you
could call it, a lot of the debates between Christians and
Bible scholars. And one of the things that comes
up, of course, is prophecy. I mean, it's debatable whether
these prophecies really were prophecies, you know, or.
Whether they just wrote them in or.
Just wrote them after it you. Know.
Yeah, literally. Yeah, exactly.
Literally wrote them back in. Yeah, no, I agree.
But even if they were prophecies, there's no proof
that the Bible is anything other than, I mean, you've just had a
prophecy. You know we're going to start a
religious cult around Doc because.
Oh no, I've started it already. He visited himself.
Started it already. Next to take a die.
Exactly. But The thing is, so my cult,
the Ahmadiya cart was all based on prophecy as well.
It's prophesied and you know, it was the promised Messiah, the
second coming of Jesus. And the prophecies have shown
the lunar eclipse and the this and the that and all these
prophecies to convert. And it's like, yeah, whatever.
Man, so this is within Islam, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. No, no.
The funny thing is other Muslims don't deem this cult to be
Islamic Muslims. There is a heresy.
Yeah, so. I'm like, so yeah, I grew up
thinking I was. So yeah, I grew up thinking I
was a Muslim. And then I went to university
and met other Muslims and then they said, what kind of Muslim
are you? Like, you know, Sunni, Shia and
you go, I'm a Namadi Muslim. So you're not a Muslim.
I'm like what all? Right.
It was bizarre. It's so bizarre.
Yeah, because Jesus is kind of respected, but he's not seen as
a Messiah, is he? No, no.
In Islam, he's seen as the Messiah.
Is he? Yeah.
Virgin birth, maybe. He's holy.
He died on the cross. He was resurrected and he's
going to come back again. In Islam, yeah, people don't.
So this is The funny thing I thought.
I thought the Islam thing was he died on a he couldn't die on a
cross because that was unworthy. The only difference is that they
don't think of him as a Godhead figure.
The Trinity, That's the difference really.
That's it. So you know when people, so you
know when people like Douglas might go well, we need to uphold
Judeo Christian values against the Muslim horde.
I'm like, hold on one second. Let's just let's get, you know,
3 columns, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, right, right.
Do you believe in the virgin birth?
Judaism, no Christianity, yes, Islam, yes.
Do you believe that Mary is like, you know, this Virgin Mary
and she's like this holy figure? Jews.
No. Christians, Muslims.
Yeah. Like, do you believe that he was
the Messiah? Jews.
No. Christians and Muslims?
Yes. Yeah.
Do you think he died in the
cross? Jews.
Yeah, Yeah. Whatever.
Christians and Muslims go. Yes.
And he was resurrected and came back to life, and then he went
straight up to heaven. Is he going to come back?
Jews, No. Christians and Muslims, Yes.
And I'm like, where's the Judeo? Christian?
Yeah. Yeah, totally.
I never really thought of it quite like.
That it's the biggest little nonsense you out there.
That's what I mean. It's like it's just all garbage.
And this is me saying as an ex Muslim, but I've given up with
all of the Abrahamic religions because I don't subscribe to an
angry raffle God that insists on you shall worship me.
And if you don't, you will go to hell.
Like what kind of God do that? Yeah.
It's insane This. Is insane.
It's insane. But I, I mean, I, I talk about
this a bit and then again on the podcast, I, I think the Old
Testament is a story of colonisation of earth by some,
you know, entities. And Yahweh was, was, it's a
story of Yahweh's. Yahweh was just some angry
warlord essentially. Or a petty God.
Yeah. I don't know if I even believe
in that. I think all of these are just
human constructs. I think it's all.
Yeah, maybe, Maybe. Like, you know, I don't
subscribe to the chosen people. I mean, that's fucking great. 1
isn't that, that's just a great one.
You write a book and say I'm I'm the special one.
And then you go around telling everybody, look, I'm the special
one. It's written in this book that
I'm special. Like, no, no, sorry, I'm I'm not
going along with that one. No.
And. It's insane.
I think what happens is people experience something, so they
might be going along on a certain path and then they have
some kind of experience, which is probably a genuine experience
of the soul, some kind of connection with with God, with
the divine. And then they frame it within
this weird cult framework. And there's some truth in the
Bible. There's some words of wisdom in
the Bible, you know, some amazing stuff, but there's also
a whole lot of absolute crap in the Bible.
Same with the Quran and the Old Testament, same with that.
But like it's just too much. I mean like I haven't got the
exact stories on it now, but like isn't that like there's so
many stories like where like some guy like likes another
woman, but she's married. So he sends the guy, the husband
off to die in a war so he can marry.
And like why is that in the Bible?
Like, how's that religious figure that, like should be
respected like? And then like, Islam has got one
of the earliest forms of channelling.
So apparently the Prophet Muhammad couldn't read or write,
but he's up in a cave, right? Hanging out in a cave, as you do
with, you know, his man cave, literally man cave.
He's in his man cave. And then apparently an Angel
comes down and says, right, you're going to, you're going to
write all this stuff down. And he doesn't know how to
write, but he manages to write like, no, like, no, it just
doesn't happen. Like, I don't believe that.
It's all. Just made up.
Yeah, I, I, I suppose I'm slightly less cynical, like I'd
always say maybe, but, but does it matter?
That's the, that's the point, isn't it?
In a way, really. Because otherwise you, you can
argue with people about whether these things, you know, people
get so hung up on, you know, the, the, the truth of, of the
Gospels or whatever, or the resurrection or essentially what
does it matter? Because do we need, why do we
need anything external anyway? And that's, that's, that's sort
of the crux of it, isn't it really?
Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
I'm just, I think there's a lot of good in these religions.
But, and, and I'm conflicted because in one respect, I don't
want to criticise them too much because I actually see that the
the evil controllers are trying to do their best to destroy
religion and Christianity and God, which I don't think is a
good thing. And I think they would love to
have a one world religion, which would be quite scary.
So you don't want to bash all these religions too much because
then you're actually playing into that globalist agenda.
But at the same time, I just don't subscribe to any of these
religions. I don't believe in their God.
It's all based on guilt, shame and control.
And like, you know, like take the virgin birth, like it just
doesn't happen. And then people say, well, it's
a miracle and think, no, no, like no.
And then he died for our sins. When does that make sense?
So you do something wrong and but it's OK, I'm going to, I'm
going to take your punishment because like what?
No, what? It doesn't even make sense.
It doesn't matter how you square and how high up the theological
person I've gone to, I've spoken to bishops about, you cannot
give me a good fucking straight answer.
And then when you start going to Trinity and say explain that
they all will do the same thing, Well, it's a matter of faith,
like, well, the the OR the Bible said this and I'm like, don't
use your own book to justify that doesn't.
It's just circular. Argument.
That's just circular argument. It's like it doesn't make sense.
None of this makes sense. All of them, all three of them.
Yeah, I'm sure we're going to upset a lot of the listeners
now. Just had a go at Judaism,
Christianity and Islam. Good.
Now, I, I, I there is offered different choices.
And just because we reject 1 doesn't mean we we embrace the
other. This is the kind of dualistic
thing, isn't it, that they offer us.
And yeah, they might, they might be trying to destroy religion.
But I think it's, I think it's very dangerous to think just
because they're trying to destroy it, it's a value because
I think they destroy everything and they just watch the chaos.
Yeah, I've heard so many different things now.
Like Jesus actually doesn't even exist.
He was. It's just a complete psyop
written in. Jesus might have been the
complete opposite to what they're saying.
He was a rebel fighter and he was actually arguing after
having been maybe away in India, more like the Gnostics, that God
is within all of us. That's what he was trying to
tell us all that actually he wasn't this son.
We're all the children of God. We've all got God within us.
I think that. And The thing is like, because
where did all those missing years go?
Because like, you know, he's born and then he doesn't come
back till what, he's 30 or something. 3233 or something,
yes, I think then he recorded the last year of his.
That's what I'm saying. The whole Bible is like what,
the last year or two or? Whatever.
I think so, yeah. So where did hold on, what about
the middle trunk? And even the things like like
people never like like, you know, it's nativity season soon,
right? But they never talk about the
back story. Even as a kid, I was like, why
is this young girl walking around in a strange town with
this older guy who's not her husband and about to have a
baby? Like where's her mum and dad?
Why is she giving birth in a in a stable?
Like I'm sure mum and dad would want to be around, you know,
what is the back story? Who is maybe's mum and dad?
Do we know? Do you know?
No, I don't. Think you ever heard anything
about Maybe's mum and dad? No.
You think that's a bit weird? Yeah, I'm just saying
everything. Everything just starts from and
the three kings came and they were in the stable and the baby
came out and then Fast forward 32 years or whatever, I was
like, hold on, what's the back story?
And what about the big, big middle chunk?
And you just don't, you don't hear any of that.
It's just a bit strange. A lot of the stories around
Jesus are are quite clearly lifted from other traditions.
Yeah, Yeah. You know, they were.
I think they were lots of other Christs before Christ.
And the anointed 1. Yeah, and virgin births was was
a, you know, a common trope. So I.
Think the reason why I'm just talking about this is I think
anyone, everyone, everyone should question everything.
And whether it's climate or even religion, question everything.
And if you're in a religion, the danger is you, you stop
questioning everything. You just start, No, it's a
belief. Beliefs are very difficult to
deal with and I like to deal with objective truth and
reality. Yeah, yeah, same.
And actually, when I don't know, I just say I don't know and I'm
open to everything. So you talk about Yahweh,
whatever it might be in some external maybe, but you know
what? I've got no evidence to see it
or prove it. So something that's just parked
there is like, yeah, maybe, but I'm not going to be like, yeah,
this is it. I don't know.
And we were like, well, I could be alien.
We could be, we could be in an alien thing.
It could be a simulation we're in.
Could be a this could be a that. Do you know what I don't know.
No one's been out and come back like out of this existence.
It's like, for example, imagine we're in a massive snowball.
You like a massive snowball. I think there's a massive
snowball, snow globe thing, massive snow globe sitting on my
desk. And in that snow globe is this
fantastic planet and little tiny people and cities and cars and
aeroplanes and all those little wee things in that snow globe.
They have no appreciation of even this office, never mind
London, the UK. That is their universe, and no
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dot uki think that humility is really important.
I think it's lacking as well with quite a lot of so called
truth seekers. Just that ability to sit and sit
with it. I don't know, you know.
I think it's one of the things that people find hardest to
admit because they will lose face.
I used to have this problem of junior doctors all the time.
Oh, can I go and operate on this patient?
Have you done this operation? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
How many have you done? I've done 40.
I mean, Oh, well, that's quite a lot.
You sure you're happy going ahead and doing it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So off he goes to do fix this
broken hip while I do a ward round.
It's like a Saturday morning, you know?
And again, a phone call from an ANIS system after an hour
saying, where are you? I'm like, oh, I'm just finishing
up the wardrobe. Is everything all right?
Yeah, We, I need you to come down this, this hip.
I'm like, like that should be off the table by now.
What are you talking about? Like, are we sending for the,
the tibia now? They're like, he's not even
inside the joint yet. He's struggling.
I'm like, what? Why didn't he call me?
He's like, I, I suggested to him and he said, no, no, he's fine.
Oh God. So come down, scrub up and like,
it's just a complete bitchery like any you know, and it's like
the operation hasn't even barely started.
Incisions in the wrong place, can't dislocate the hip to cut
the neck. And I'm like, I thought you said
you did 40 of these and, and it's just very defensive, you
know, and it's all bullshit. And I have to have a word with
him afterwards and say like, you've not really done any of
these things. Well, I, I've, I've, I've seen
40 and and I've assisted with a couple.
How many have you done on your own?
None. And it's like, why?
Why do you? And it's not, that's not unique,
by the way, that a lot of people do that.
They'll just say, yeah, yeah, I can do this.
Yeah, yeah. Hang.
Hang on, It's like some someone who's not worked in the NHS.
That seems so you you're saying you're talking about someone
doing an operation on the hip. Yeah.
And that the decision of who does that operation is just
quite a casual thing like, well then I can do it.
You're on a team, so you go register.
The registrars may be quite senior, and the problem is
you're no longer working in team structures, so you don't get to
see that other person operate on a regular basis.
There's like 12 registrars and you'll get allocated randomly on
a weekend, a register that's on call that week who you may never
have operated with. So you said to them, are you at
the meeting in the morning? Are you comfortable doing this
operation? Are you, you know, and most
people would, you would hope would be honest and say, no, I
need some help with this. And most people do, but
sometimes a junior doctor would just maybe not be honest with
you. All right, I I.
Yeah, I find that sort of quite disturbing.
Well, disturbing, yeah. Because you'd think it would be
a very clear case this person is capable like, you know, four or
five people just sat around and go, is this guy?
Well, The thing is, you're on on your own in that weekend.
It's only you, the register, the junior doctor below that and,
you know, some ward nurses and that's it.
And like, you know, week 1, after they've started their
jobs, you've never met this person.
They're working for a different consultant, you know, you just
don't know. Yeah.
And you know what, When they give you a job as a surgeon, no
matter what grade, at no point is anyone actually observing and
checking how good you are at surgery.
The interview and the whole process is based on, yeah,
whether you've published any paper, research, what jobs
you've done, extracurricular activities, references.
No one actually, even as at the consultant level will say come
and do an operation and let us examine you and watch you
operate and see if you're skilled enough and competent
enough. No, none of that is done.
Really. Really.
God. Which I think.
I'm just naive but it just seems which is saying to me.
It is insane because there's so many people that are very good
and have polished CVS and are very good at bullshitting,
bullshitting and then when it comes to surgery they're they've
got 2 left hands. Yeah, of course.
Yeah. See, and I'll give another
example, like a lot of the professors and famous people
cheating people in Harley Street and all the celebrities, they're
often the worst all. Right, just the just the ones
who can talk the. Best the ones that can talk and
market and just bullshit. The people who are really good,
for example, are operating are somewhere in the middle of a DGH
in the middle of the countryside, just quietly
getting on with their craft and doing a good job.
And I haven't got time to be writing papers and bullshitting.
And even the papers, it's not like they're writing the papers.
They've got monkeys doing the research for them and they just
put their name on it. I mean that whole the problems
with academia isn't just another conversation.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sorry Sir, for brushing
the bubble. Oh no, there's no bubble to buy.
There's so many stories I could tell you that horrific tell.
Us tell us a couple tell us a couple because.
This trainee Dr wants instead of painting the rod, you know when
you break a leg, your femur, your tibia, there's rods for
them and the tibias of different shaped rod to the the femur.
She wants to put a tibial rod down the femur.
No. So there's no like it, the
cheques, no cheques. There's no one.
There's no like double safety, kind of.
It depends hospital to hospital, supervision to supervision,
whether the consultant's going to come in and supervise and
operate, whether the registrar is just bullshitting and lying
and saying like they're better than they are.
And because again, asking for help means sometimes for some
people losing face and they and that to them, if you're insecure
in yourself, you will. But if you're look, if you're
confident and comfortable in yourself, you happily say, oh,
by the way, I wouldn't mind. Second opinion, I wouldn't mind.
Sure. I suppose financial, there's
financial incentive as well to bullshit, is there like in the
sense that, yeah, I can do that, Yeah.
I mean, presumably you, you progress further, you get a
better salary and yeah. Yeah.
Rather than someone who says, oh, I'm not sure I can do that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like even like in the
private sector, you'll have someone who's like a hip surgeon
who does nothing but hips in the NHS.
And then the the person will be like, oh, I've got a bunion.
Can you recommend a bunion surgeon?
And then the hip surgeon will be like, oh, I can do bunions too.
They haven't done a bunion in like 10 years.
And then they'll be like, they're operating on this
patient, the private sector, and doing a really shit job.
And I know this because I would see all these really bad foot
and ankle operations. I'm like, who who did you
operation? I was like spinal surgeon, a
shoulder surgeon. I was like, what what the fuck
are they doing operating on your feet?
It's like, but the, the patient doesn't know any better because
they think, well, he's a surgeon, he's an orthopaedic
surgeon. And he said, yeah, I can do it.
And I'm like, oh, whereas I, I would get people all the time
saying, oh, can you do my carpal tunnel?
Oh, can you do my knee as well? I've got meniscal tear, can you
do it? And I'd be like, no, I'm just
fanatical. Yes, I've done hundreds of knee
operations and I was a brilliant knee surgeon at one point, but I
haven't done it for eight years. And to be honest, you want
someone who's doing it regularly because if something like the
chances I will do an OK job and you'll be happy.
But God forbid if something goes wrong or if there's a
complication and you need something afterwards, you want
to be seeing someone who does it regularly and they go, all
right, that's a good point, doc. But the temptation for a lot of
doctors is like, well, that's another private case, a little
bit of money. Yeah, I can do that.
Wing it. Yeah, I mean, you get that in
kind of the media world, which probably the repercussions
aren't quite so serious, but can you do Photoshop?
Well, you know, I I know light room, but it's like, yeah, I can
do that. Yeah, but it's everywhere.
It's like, you know, plumbers, oh, I can do that bit of
electrical work for you and I can do a bit of that.
And I mean, it's like, and don't get me wrong, there are some
people who do are like really gifted all rounders.
But in when it comes to medicine, they're a dying breed.
Like there was a generation that was trained and they could do
literally spinal surgery and knee surgery and foot and eye
surgery. But those days are really well
and truly over because everyone is so super specialised.
You know, I will only operate on the right little toe kind of
thing. Oh, OK, yeah.
Why's that? Why's that coming back?
It's just. The way this specialism is, and
I think, I don't think it's a deliberate ploy, it's just, it's
a stupid thing. It's so disjointed because The
thing is doctors actually don't treat the whole patient.
They don't, they don't look at stress, your sleep, your diet,
your metabolic health, your mitochondrial health, your,
your, your anatomy, your joints. It's now like I'm just a
shoulder surgeon. Or take for example, my friend,
I was asking him, he's a surgeon or speaks her.
And he was like, I was like, how's your mum and dad?
And he was like, Oh yeah, mum's had some chest problems and but
you know, she's just had her, you know, heart cardioverted for
some irregular heart rhythm and but she's got this breathing
difficulty. And I said, Oh, well, you should
have asked the cardiologist about it.
You know, in the old days, the cardiologist had a stethoscope.
Listen to the heart, listen to the lungs.
And he goes, yeah, well, I, I, I did ask him.
He didn't have stethoscopes. And he goes, no, all I do is the
heart. If you want the lungs, you need
to go and see a pulmonary, you know, decision.
And it's like, do you see what I mean?
Like we've just gone away from like, I mean, it's not even
asking that heart doctor to listen, you know, look at the
brain or the kidneys. We're talking about literally
the lungs that are right next to the heart.
And he's like, no, no, I don't, I don't deal with that anymore.
If I it's not good. Because the reality is like,
when it comes to health, everything is connected, like
everything. And if you've got a very tunnel
vision, you don't see the big picture and you can't really
make people better. I mean, that's probably the
fundamental flaw in the kind of Western, well, not only
medicine, but I think just the Western mind, isn't it?
It's separation. Not a bit of a cliche, but the
kind of Eastern philosophy tends to be more holistic.
And all these words are a bit loaded, aren't they?
And a bit corny. But I think there's a lot to be
said for that. Yeah, well, I've had some
Chinese medicine this year, acupuncture, and I really like
it. Yeah, and they look at the whole
body system. Yeah, I think our son wouldn't
have made it through to this realm if it hadn't been for
acupuncture. Really.
Yeah, because Vicky Ricky had endometriosis and had a ectopic
and top guy Doctor, English top guy in the country to do with
endometriosis, diagnosed her at Sussex and she said is there
anything I can do diet wise, anything like that?
No, no, no, you just eat what you want and there's nothing you
can do. Just come in for the surgery and
book to us in three months time. Vicki just knew she was going to
get pregnant. She was like, fuck that, I'm
listening to that. She researched it.
She did a diet, had acupuncture. She thinks acupuncture was
probably one of the biggest things.
She felt it moving. She went back for the surgery.
They went in, nothing there, no lesions, nothing.
There's grapefruit sized cysts that they'd seen with this
camera just gone. And she said to him, what?
How come? And he said, oh, you must have
been misdiagnosed. He just said, how is it?
How can you learn if that's your approach?
Yeah. Yeah, well, that's the problem.
Doctors are highly educated and indoctrinated and ignorant for
all these cults, even religions. Some people say those are just
bigger cults. They will always have some good
stuff going for them. So point the benefit system.
But the problem is what is what does it come with?
Viral IG is yet another pseudoscience.
Wakey wakey numb nuts. Like oh, that's not true.
I've had a couple of podcasts that I've ended like that like
abruptly like right, OK, I'm done now.
I need to like and it's just not cool.
I was literally thinking about driving an Uber.
They. Really.
Well, what do you do? Like, how are you going to make
money? How are you going to pay the
bills?