1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,640 The threat is if you leave the cult, God will come down and 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,560 smite you. Just everything's shattered. 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,160 Like, you know, there's no, there is no democracy, there's 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,120 no media, there's no true journalism. 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Well, I grew up in a cult in a in a Muslim cult cult within a 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,920 cult. Amy arrive at the studio. 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,080 I need a pee. So I quickly go to the toilet. 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,560 David Icke is in the far right corner, exactly as I revisioned 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,600 him in a blue sky jumper taking a piss. 10 00:00:46,750 --> 00:00:49,110 Doug Malik, Are you ready to be painted? 11 00:00:49,510 --> 00:00:51,510 Absolutely, this is very different. 12 00:00:52,310 --> 00:00:53,550 Yeah, well, you were surprised, weren't you? 13 00:00:53,550 --> 00:00:55,470 Because you thought we were. You thought you were going to 14 00:00:55,470 --> 00:00:58,830 interview me? Yeah, I'm such an idiot. 15 00:00:59,430 --> 00:01:04,040 Honestly, I'm just wasn't, I thought I was going to interview 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,720 you and you're just going to be busy painting and then we can 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,960 have a nice chat. It's essentially that. 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,840 It's essentially that. I think you're very talented, 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,320 seriously talented. Like I love your time lapse 20 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:21,640 videos and showing them with the kids and the paint's all 21 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,240 dripping. And part of me, it's like 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,680 paint's dripping. And it's like, no, there's 23 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,440 method to the madness. Trust the plan. 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,200 Trust the plan. And yeah. 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,080 And the kids are like, but there's no eyes. 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,840 I'm like, yeah, just wait, wait, wait. 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,120 It'll come. Yeah. 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,720 And the eyes are difficult. I know because whenever I try 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,720 and Draw Something I always mess up by the time I get to the 30 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,360 eyes. OK, do you do bit drawing? 31 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,680 No, I wouldn't call it that. You know what it's like when you 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,920 just, yeah, one of the things I like doing with the kids is 33 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,520 like, just draw things we've seen. 34 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,880 So like we've just watched Pacific Rim and there's a big 35 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,760 robot called Jager and my son loves them. 36 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,080 So we we do competitions to draw the best Jaeger. 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,400 What I like about your art is like you're literally creating 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:13,360 something from nothing and you capture a lot. 39 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:21,040 You capture like a bit of sadness, sometimes bit of 40 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,160 pensive, then no one's ever smiling. 41 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:25,720 That's for. Sure. 42 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,560 No, I don't like that. Can't have that. 43 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,720 Yeah. You're smiling. 44 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,160 Yeah. It doesn't work in a God. 45 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,520 You see. You see people paint and they 46 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,440 paint people with big teethy grins. 47 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:40,960 No, it doesn't work. Why? 48 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,360 Why it doesn't? It's got a it has to look. 49 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,880 Even if you work from a photograph, it has to look like 50 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,440 you'd be able to hold that pose over a long time, because if it 51 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,080 otherwise it looks like a snapshot. 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,400 It doesn't look like a painting, really. 53 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,040 And it looks, I don't know because it is a bit more 54 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,280 serious, it's more dignified. My wife would be great for this 55 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,120 because she's got a resting bitch face. 56 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,480 I just got a resting OK. Whereas I kind of smile quite a 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,080 lot. You, you, you have. 58 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,080 Yeah, Your resting face is sort of mildly amused. 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,520 Is a kind of mildly amused look, which is not. 60 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,040 It's probably say something about you. 61 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,480 I'm mildly amused at the world. Yeah, just mildly amused. 62 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,200 Yeah, mildly. I've accepted things for what 63 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,800 they are. Yeah. 64 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,800 Has that been a process of acceptance? 65 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:28,920 Have you struggled with acceptance? 66 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,160 And what does that what what what do we mean by acceptance 67 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:38,640 exactly? That the world is completely not 68 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,040 what I thought it was up until even two years ago. 69 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,320 So not even the beginning of COVID. 70 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:51,200 Even two years ago, OK. Just everything shattered like, 71 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:57,720 you know, there's no, there is no democracy, there is no real 72 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,560 NHS there to help you and make you healthy. 73 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:07,640 There's no, there's no media, there's no true journalism. 74 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:17,680 TV is telling a vision and propagandising everything. 75 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:18,800 Everything. Religion. 76 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,440 Religion is not what I thought it was religions. 77 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:22,920 What? What did you think religion was? 78 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:29,120 Well, I grew up in a cult. OK, Catholic or Islam or? 79 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,760 In a in a Muslim cult, cult within a cult. 80 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,160 Oh, a cult within a cult. Yeah, OK. 81 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,160 But you know, when you're in a cult, you don't think you're in 82 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,720 a cult. Well, this is. 83 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,480 No one who's in a cult thinks they're in a cult. 84 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,520 Isn't that the the key to it really? 85 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,520 I got, I once got contacted by someone from the Church of 86 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,080 Scientology. This is when my ex account blew 87 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,680 up after I spoke out against COVID vaccines and they were 88 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,400 trying to recruit me to the Church of Scientology. 89 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:59,800 And I said isn't, isn't the Church of Scientology A cult? 90 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,920 He was like, what do you mean by that? 91 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,640 Well, what is a cult? And I was like, well, 92 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:12,720 charismatic leadership that you can't question blindly obedient 93 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,000 followers who police other cult members and make sure they obey, 94 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,200 total control of your lives, social professional. 95 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,040 It's always an element of money involved, sometimes even sexual 96 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,760 things going on, and you can't question. 97 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,680 And if you disobey or are bad, the biggest threat is 98 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,520 excommunication. You get banished from the cult. 99 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,720 And the reality is there's a lot of those around. 100 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,480 I think there's more than people really at first realised, didn't 101 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,000 they? Many of them aren't even 102 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,520 religious. No vaccine cult. 103 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:52,720 Yeah. Climate cult? 104 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,760 Yeah, go on and on. Yeah, Hollywood cult, fame cult. 105 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,600 So yeah, I was in this cult within the slum and I didn't 106 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,160 realise this cult. I just thought it was a bit 107 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,760 weird. It took a long time for me to 108 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,440 extricate out of that. I think I was about 30 by the 109 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,080 time I thought I've had enough of this. 110 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,480 Oh, OK. But it's difficult when you're 111 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,320 in that your whole life is that your community, your friends, 112 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,600 your family. And you know, the threat is if 113 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,520 you leave the cult, God will come down and smite you. 114 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,640 You know, you're bad, you're an apostate, you know, And then you 115 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,840 start looking into history. History is all a lie. 116 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:38,320 First World War, Second World War, all the revolutions, 117 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,160 everything, Everything's just the moon landing. 118 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,800 Did that actually happen? 911 Well, that that was not what 119 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,960 we were taught. So it just you just start 120 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:54,200 thinking everything you know about the world around you isn't 121 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,760 actually as it seems. That can be quite unsettling and 122 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,200 scary. Yeah, I think that's why a lot 123 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,280 of people don't make that leap, isn't it? 124 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,680 It is very unsettling. Do you think it's to do with our 125 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:16,440 response to trauma? You know, if we're all 126 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,640 traumatised and we're to some extent by our relationship with 127 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:24,920 our family and predominantly our parents, and then we sort of 128 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,600 become adults and think we've got some kind of normality in 129 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,760 our lives maybe. And then someone comes along and 130 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,960 says, Oh, well, not only do your parents not really love you 131 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,600 properly in the way that they should have done, could have 132 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,840 done, would have done, the government certainly don't love 133 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,320 you in the way that you think they might be out for you. 134 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,520 And I think just for some people, I don't know if you 135 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:51,400 agree, but it's just too much like surely someone loves me, 136 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,080 like surely not I. Think you're so right. 137 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,520 So did you have like trauma from your childhood? 138 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,760 Well, I had a great normal childhood but at the same time, 139 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,840 without being indulgent, I do recognise the trauma, you know, 140 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,920 I think some people still have a kind of stiff upper lip kind of 141 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,840 mentality, you know. And it's not to be indulgent to 142 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,920 say, but because I think everyone really in this society 143 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:25,520 is, you know, unless you've got very, very rare parents, you 144 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,600 know, society and your parents will F you up, won't they? 145 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,760 You know, that's is it, Philip Larkin. 146 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,320 So what? What is it that your parents did 147 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,679 that could have like, 'cause that in you? 148 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,919 And how did that manifest itself? 149 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,080 Overachiever. Underachiever. 150 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:47,320 What happened? Just too laid back, hippie on 151 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,880 some respects and then too distant perhaps in other 152 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,120 respects. Just dealing with their own 153 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,440 stuff, not really knowing how to. 154 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:59,160 My mum did, to some extent, communicate with me and teach me 155 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,800 how to be open, and I think there's a residual effects of 156 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,920 that. But it's funny. 157 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,840 I was listening to your chat with Danny and you talked about 158 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,160 some of the things your mum was saying to you. 159 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,720 And still ongoing. Yeah, of course. 160 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,600 Yeah, I'm sure. But it reminded me of something. 161 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,480 I remember being on holiday with my mum and we were walking on 162 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,120 the beach and Van Morrison came on the radio. 163 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,440 I can't, I don't know what tune it was and I just remember my 164 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,440 mum turning into my dad and saying it's funny isn't it? 165 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,000 It's got a great voice. I really like Van Morrison, but 166 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,240 it's. Like. 167 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,200 It's funny how he became so popular, being such a little 168 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,880 funny looking bloke like that, you know? 169 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,400 And there's some reason I remember that throwaway comment. 170 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,640 I mean, it was a throwaway comment, but suddenly I was 13. 171 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,560 I was around that age. I was like, this is my role 172 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:02,000 model, this is my female role model, and she's given me this 173 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:07,440 message that if you look a bit funny, you don't deserve to be 174 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,200 successful or you can't express art or anything. 175 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,640 She didn't even think she was saying anything. 176 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:15,800 This is. Such a good point. 177 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,160 You know, and when you send about how your mum was talking 178 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,800 to you, you know, and her stuff, you know, you said it very 179 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,240 philosophically and forgiving, you know, you understand that 180 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,560 your mum's got her stuff, but they still have consequences, 181 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:34,960 aren't they these? It has got consequences. 182 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,120 These things that happen, you know. 183 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:45,360 May 100% And so it's this tiniest, littlest things that as 184 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,640 a little child you just walk away with. 185 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,640 And so the abuse, one thing I realised, it's not all sexual 186 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:57,240 abuse, it's just psychological. It's just all, a lot of it is in 187 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,000 your head and it's most of it is before the age of 7. 188 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,080 And then the way it manifests is you either feel that you're not 189 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,520 good enough, that you're rejected or that you're 190 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:12,760 abandoned. And then, yeah, and then that 191 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,160 plays out as you get older. But I think individuals can be 192 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:22,360 traumatised and families can be traumatised, communities, 193 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:27,400 countries, nations, if we can see that around the world right 194 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,080 now. Yeah, I mean, you'd go back a 195 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,840 couple of generations, you'd think what they want. 196 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,200 You know, Vicky's nan, she just died recently. 197 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,360 She was 101. She'd tell the stories about 198 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,200 we're from Birmingham and tell the stories about how she was 199 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,440 running from the planes coming over and bombing. 200 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,840 She was diving on the ground and, you know, like the films, 201 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,280 classic films, you go, you know, and she lost a house. 202 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,200 Her husband came back. I think they gave him a lobotomy 203 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,440 because of his PTSD from the, you know, like it's just like a 204 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,760 couple of generations down and how, how? 205 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,760 She was asked. That's The funny thing about 206 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:11,960 trauma, in the sense that I've been through a lot of trauma and 207 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,840 it's made me quite tough and resilient. 208 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,600 Yeah. So in some respects, I'm really 209 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,320 grateful I went through that. And I worry about my kids 210 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,680 because their life is so easy and soft. 211 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,360 Are they getting the training to cope when they get older? 212 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:34,000 So trauma's not good, but at the same time not having it makes 213 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,200 you soft and weak and not resilient. 214 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,280 It's really funny. Yeah. 215 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,800 Was that saying, isn't there good? 216 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,480 Was it? Strong men breed good times, 217 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,120 good times bring weak men. Weak men breed bad times. 218 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,320 It's a kind of cycle, I suppose. Yeah, I feel the same sometimes 219 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,600 with with my son, but I don't want him to go through. 220 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,960 I don't. You you just need to say around 221 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,880 him next time. Look at that funny looking man. 222 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:01,280 It's funny how he got successful. 223 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,480 I've won't see Doc Malik do he's this bald, funny looking man. 224 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,080 He's got quite a good podcast go. 225 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,160 He's really strange and that's it. 226 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,160 You've done that. He's grown up really through 227 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,640 COVID. A lot of the development is 228 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,040 before 7, isn't it? He was 7 when COVID came, but 229 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,080 he's quite grounded, you know, because we just talk about, I 230 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:24,600 mean, I'm, I'm quite positive. Like, I know this real shit 231 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,520 stuff going on in the world, but my overall I believe we live in 232 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:35,000 a benevolent universe. So I I suppose he has that kind 233 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,240 of ground to. What makes you positive? 234 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:50,800 I suppose stuff that I've gone through and my own breakdown and 235 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,120 rebuilding and and and taking things right back to basics and. 236 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,440 You had a breakdown. Yeah, big, big breakdown. 237 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,400 What happened then? Oh, I got you. 238 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,360 No, we should be talking about you because otherwise I'll just 239 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,760 like. We can share our breakdowns. 240 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,600 Wait, I need to hear your breakdown first. 241 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:18,080 Well, I'd just left university and I'd done quite well and 242 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,840 everything was sort of rosy. Nice girlfriend, playing music 243 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,200 in a band. It's all good. 244 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,960 And I'd just read David Icke a few months before my friend had 245 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,320 given me Truth or Set You Free, so my brain was all like just 246 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,480 whizzing. And then I graduated. 247 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,720 And then there was just a point where I was actually in 248 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,920 Birmingham on the bus and some woman put a curse on me and at 249 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,720 the time it felt like the worst thing. 250 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:50,760 She put a curse. On me, yes, she put a curse. 251 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:51,920 On me? How'd you know she put a curse 252 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,720 on you? Because she showed me a tarot 253 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,320 card and mumbled something. On her. 254 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,240 You are kidding. Yeah. 255 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,840 So I've. I've never had anyone curse me. 256 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,320 Face. Well, what I felt slightly 257 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,240 aggrieved because there were some kids at the back of the bus 258 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,000 who were taking the piss out of her and she sort of turned 259 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,360 around and thought it was me and I wish I was with Vicky. 260 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,520 We weren't together then, but we were and she sort of did this 261 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,160 and it. She did nothing. 262 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,400 I had no power, what she did, but it, it was a mirror to my 263 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:32,120 rudderlessness, my not knowing. It was like, you know, fuck all 264 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,000 there. And it was bang and I was like 265 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,280 shit. And I was panicked. 266 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:42,040 So I had a panic attack and I had to get off the bus to go and 267 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,360 find her so that I could. Of course, I was completely 268 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,520 confused. I thought it was an external 269 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:48,800 thing. It wasn't an external thing. 270 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,920 So that whole process, yeah, was very intense for about a year. 271 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,080 But I suppose that what I kind of learned through that gives me 272 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:08,640 like a sense of what's beyond all this crap, what's really 273 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:13,720 underneath it, which I do believe is truth, beauty, love. 274 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,040 What was it like painting David Dyke after reading his book so 275 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,120 many years earlier? Yeah, it was quite interesting. 276 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,400 That must have been a bit surreal it. 277 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,360 Was it was a bit surreal, but at the. 278 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,920 Same time it's like, whoa, I'm painting David Dyke. 279 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:35,400 It was more surreal in my head. The idea seemed wow, you know, 280 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,480 like had that ready, but and then 30 years later, whatever 281 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:39,480 it. Was this is insane. 282 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,080 Can you imagine going back 30 years earlier and going no, by 283 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,040 the way, in 30 years time you'll be painting this? 284 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,040 No, you'd be like, what the fuck? 285 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:46,840 Get away from it. Yeah. 286 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,360 Yeah, totally, totally. But in actual reality it was 287 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,760 very normal and. Did you hear me sound really 288 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,800 funny? So I went up to the studios in 289 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:03,920 Derby to interview him because Gareth was like, yeah, come up 290 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,640 here, come up here. It will just be easier for dad. 291 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,520 I was like, all right, OK. And I've never done that. 292 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,880 Every podcast in the studio, I was like, do you know what for 293 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,200 you guys? I'll drive up. 294 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,440 I'm driving up. I'm on this M1. 295 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,920 And I suddenly have this vision that I'm going to arrive. 296 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,119 I'm going to go in the studio, go to the toilets. 297 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,000 You know as you do go to the toilets, first thing you do is 298 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,960 go wee. And as I walk into the toilets 299 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:40,400 I'll see David in a light blue sky jumper at the urinal taking 300 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,080 the piss. And I was like I was like fuck 301 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,320 am I thinking about this for a while? 302 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,960 I'm driving. It's such a weird thought. 303 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,000 So anyway, arrive at the studio, I need to pee so I quickly go to 304 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,600 the toilet. David Icke is in the far right 305 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,640 corner, exactly as I visioned him in a blue sky jumper taking 306 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,480 a piss. And I'm like, and I go, and I 307 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,240 said in my vision, I said, oh, this is very embarrassing. 308 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,720 And I said it out loud. I went, this is very 309 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,640 embarrassing. I went not really. 310 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,720 I was like, OK, yeah, it's funny. 311 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,680 I had a vision that we were going to do this. 312 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:14,720 He went, well, there you go then. 313 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,640 And then he reached out to shake my hand and went, no, you 314 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,080 haven't washed your hands. Haram. 315 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,560 And he still didn't wash his hands. 316 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,080 He just walked out. All right. 317 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,920 Oh, God bless him. But yeah, it's a bit surreal. 318 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,520 Yeah, yeah. I literally saw that whole 319 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,720 exchange. That it's really strange, isn't 320 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,120 it? About. 40 minutes before it 321 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:40,080 actually happened. Well, recently I've been 322 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,840 listening to a lot of religious sort of critique, I suppose you 323 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,160 could call it, a lot of the debates between Christians and 324 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,160 Bible scholars. And one of the things that comes 325 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:58,360 up, of course, is prophecy. I mean, it's debatable whether 326 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:01,200 these prophecies really were prophecies, you know, or. 327 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,240 Whether they just wrote them in or. 328 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,320 Just wrote them after it you. Know. 329 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:06,000 Yeah, literally. Yeah, exactly. 330 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,640 Literally wrote them back in. Yeah, no, I agree. 331 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,960 But even if they were prophecies, there's no proof 332 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,560 that the Bible is anything other than, I mean, you've just had a 333 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,520 prophecy. You know we're going to start a 334 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,040 religious cult around Doc because. 335 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,760 Oh no, I've started it already. He visited himself. 336 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,520 Started it already. Next to take a die. 337 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,560 Exactly. But The thing is, so my cult, 338 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,640 the Ahmadiya cart was all based on prophecy as well. 339 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:37,080 It's prophesied and you know, it was the promised Messiah, the 340 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,000 second coming of Jesus. And the prophecies have shown 341 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,320 the lunar eclipse and the this and the that and all these 342 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,320 prophecies to convert. And it's like, yeah, whatever. 343 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,840 Man, so this is within Islam, yeah. 344 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,080 Yeah, yeah. No, no. 345 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,760 The funny thing is other Muslims don't deem this cult to be 346 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,360 Islamic Muslims. There is a heresy. 347 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,440 Yeah, so. I'm like, so yeah, I grew up 348 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,880 thinking I was. So yeah, I grew up thinking I 349 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,240 was a Muslim. And then I went to university 350 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,720 and met other Muslims and then they said, what kind of Muslim 351 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,200 are you? Like, you know, Sunni, Shia and 352 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,720 you go, I'm a Namadi Muslim. So you're not a Muslim. 353 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,840 I'm like what all? Right. 354 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:14,040 It was bizarre. It's so bizarre. 355 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,120 Yeah, because Jesus is kind of respected, but he's not seen as 356 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:20,760 a Messiah, is he? No, no. 357 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,880 In Islam, he's seen as the Messiah. 358 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,040 Is he? Yeah. 359 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,240 Virgin birth, maybe. He's holy. 360 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,880 He died on the cross. He was resurrected and he's 361 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,320 going to come back again. In Islam, yeah, people don't. 362 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:35,520 So this is The funny thing I thought. 363 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,680 I thought the Islam thing was he died on a he couldn't die on a 364 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,640 cross because that was unworthy. The only difference is that they 365 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,520 don't think of him as a Godhead figure. 366 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,200 The Trinity, That's the difference really. 367 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,240 That's it. So you know when people, so you 368 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,280 know when people like Douglas might go well, we need to uphold 369 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,000 Judeo Christian values against the Muslim horde. 370 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,920 I'm like, hold on one second. Let's just let's get, you know, 371 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:04,040 3 columns, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, right, right. 372 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,160 Do you believe in the virgin birth? 373 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,800 Judaism, no Christianity, yes, Islam, yes. 374 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,000 Do you believe that Mary is like, you know, this Virgin Mary 375 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,640 and she's like this holy figure? Jews. 376 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,040 No. Christians, Muslims. 377 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,400 Yeah. Like, do you believe that he was 378 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,640 the Messiah? Jews. 379 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,000 No. Christians and Muslims? 380 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:25,600 Yes. Yeah. 381 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,280 Yeah. Do you think he died in the 382 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,680 cross? Jews. 383 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:29,760 Yeah, Yeah. Whatever. 384 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,680 Christians and Muslims go. Yes. 385 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,520 And he was resurrected and came back to life, and then he went 386 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,800 straight up to heaven. Is he going to come back? 387 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,440 Jews, No. Christians and Muslims, Yes. 388 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,560 And I'm like, where's the Judeo? Christian? 389 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,520 Yeah. Yeah, totally. 390 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,720 I never really thought of it quite like. 391 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,200 That it's the biggest little nonsense you out there. 392 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,040 That's what I mean. It's like it's just all garbage. 393 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,440 And this is me saying as an ex Muslim, but I've given up with 394 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,640 all of the Abrahamic religions because I don't subscribe to an 395 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:02,760 angry raffle God that insists on you shall worship me. 396 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,920 And if you don't, you will go to hell. 397 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,640 Like what kind of God do that? Yeah. 398 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,960 It's insane This. Is insane. 399 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,840 It's insane. But I, I mean, I, I talk about 400 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,240 this a bit and then again on the podcast, I, I think the Old 401 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,440 Testament is a story of colonisation of earth by some, 402 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:27,560 you know, entities. And Yahweh was, was, it's a 403 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,160 story of Yahweh's. Yahweh was just some angry 404 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,600 warlord essentially. Or a petty God. 405 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,480 Yeah. I don't know if I even believe 406 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,680 in that. I think all of these are just 407 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,360 human constructs. I think it's all. 408 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:42,840 Yeah, maybe, Maybe. Like, you know, I don't 409 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,880 subscribe to the chosen people. I mean, that's fucking great. 1 410 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,320 isn't that, that's just a great one. 411 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,880 You write a book and say I'm I'm the special one. 412 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,760 And then you go around telling everybody, look, I'm the special 413 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,040 one. It's written in this book that 414 00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:00,760 I'm special. Like, no, no, sorry, I'm I'm not 415 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,240 going along with that one. No. 416 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,640 And. It's insane. 417 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,600 I think what happens is people experience something, so they 418 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,840 might be going along on a certain path and then they have 419 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,080 some kind of experience, which is probably a genuine experience 420 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,760 of the soul, some kind of connection with with God, with 421 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,240 the divine. And then they frame it within 422 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:27,440 this weird cult framework. And there's some truth in the 423 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,880 Bible. There's some words of wisdom in 424 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,800 the Bible, you know, some amazing stuff, but there's also 425 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,720 a whole lot of absolute crap in the Bible. 426 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,160 Same with the Quran and the Old Testament, same with that. 427 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,360 But like it's just too much. I mean like I haven't got the 428 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:44,840 exact stories on it now, but like isn't that like there's so 429 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,720 many stories like where like some guy like likes another 430 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,400 woman, but she's married. So he sends the guy, the husband 431 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,280 off to die in a war so he can marry. 432 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,560 And like why is that in the Bible? 433 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,360 Like, how's that religious figure that, like should be 434 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:03,680 respected like? And then like, Islam has got one 435 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,640 of the earliest forms of channelling. 436 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,720 So apparently the Prophet Muhammad couldn't read or write, 437 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,400 but he's up in a cave, right? Hanging out in a cave, as you do 438 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,240 with, you know, his man cave, literally man cave. 439 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,640 He's in his man cave. And then apparently an Angel 440 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,360 comes down and says, right, you're going to, you're going to 441 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:24,120 write all this stuff down. And he doesn't know how to 442 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:31,440 write, but he manages to write like, no, like, no, it just 443 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,280 doesn't happen. Like, I don't believe that. 444 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,440 It's all. Just made up. 445 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,440 Yeah, I, I, I suppose I'm slightly less cynical, like I'd 446 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,080 always say maybe, but, but does it matter? 447 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,840 That's the, that's the point, isn't it? 448 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,560 In a way, really. Because otherwise you, you can 449 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,920 argue with people about whether these things, you know, people 450 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,160 get so hung up on, you know, the, the, the truth of, of the 451 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,320 Gospels or whatever, or the resurrection or essentially what 452 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,520 does it matter? Because do we need, why do we 453 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,920 need anything external anyway? And that's, that's, that's sort 454 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,240 of the crux of it, isn't it really? 455 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:11,640 Yeah, yeah. I don't know. 456 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,280 I'm just, I think there's a lot of good in these religions. 457 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,120 But, and, and I'm conflicted because in one respect, I don't 458 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:22,800 want to criticise them too much because I actually see that the 459 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,800 the evil controllers are trying to do their best to destroy 460 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,960 religion and Christianity and God, which I don't think is a 461 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,720 good thing. And I think they would love to 462 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,600 have a one world religion, which would be quite scary. 463 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,160 So you don't want to bash all these religions too much because 464 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,240 then you're actually playing into that globalist agenda. 465 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,040 But at the same time, I just don't subscribe to any of these 466 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,920 religions. I don't believe in their God. 467 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,280 It's all based on guilt, shame and control. 468 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,240 And like, you know, like take the virgin birth, like it just 469 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,760 doesn't happen. And then people say, well, it's 470 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,320 a miracle and think, no, no, like no. 471 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,600 And then he died for our sins. When does that make sense? 472 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,160 So you do something wrong and but it's OK, I'm going to, I'm 473 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,480 going to take your punishment because like what? 474 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,480 No, what? It doesn't even make sense. 475 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,360 It doesn't matter how you square and how high up the theological 476 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,920 person I've gone to, I've spoken to bishops about, you cannot 477 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,360 give me a good fucking straight answer. 478 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,240 And then when you start going to Trinity and say explain that 479 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,360 they all will do the same thing, Well, it's a matter of faith, 480 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,840 like, well, the the OR the Bible said this and I'm like, don't 481 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,920 use your own book to justify that doesn't. 482 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,320 It's just circular. Argument. 483 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,520 That's just circular argument. It's like it doesn't make sense. 484 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,680 None of this makes sense. All of them, all three of them. 485 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,480 Yeah, I'm sure we're going to upset a lot of the listeners 486 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,160 now. Just had a go at Judaism, 487 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,720 Christianity and Islam. Good. 488 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:58,680 Now, I, I, I there is offered different choices. 489 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,800 And just because we reject 1 doesn't mean we we embrace the 490 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,440 other. This is the kind of dualistic 491 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,160 thing, isn't it, that they offer us. 492 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,200 And yeah, they might, they might be trying to destroy religion. 493 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,520 But I think it's, I think it's very dangerous to think just 494 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,400 because they're trying to destroy it, it's a value because 495 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,640 I think they destroy everything and they just watch the chaos. 496 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,680 Yeah, I've heard so many different things now. 497 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,000 Like Jesus actually doesn't even exist. 498 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,000 He was. It's just a complete psyop 499 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,640 written in. Jesus might have been the 500 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,120 complete opposite to what they're saying. 501 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,520 He was a rebel fighter and he was actually arguing after 502 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,400 having been maybe away in India, more like the Gnostics, that God 503 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,080 is within all of us. That's what he was trying to 504 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,120 tell us all that actually he wasn't this son. 505 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,240 We're all the children of God. We've all got God within us. 506 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,760 I think that. And The thing is like, because 507 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,720 where did all those missing years go? 508 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,800 Because like, you know, he's born and then he doesn't come 509 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,480 back till what, he's 30 or something. 3233 or something, 510 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,040 yes, I think then he recorded the last year of his. 511 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,000 That's what I'm saying. The whole Bible is like what, 512 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,480 the last year or two or? Whatever. 513 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,920 I think so, yeah. So where did hold on, what about 514 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,840 the middle trunk? And even the things like like 515 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,400 people never like like, you know, it's nativity season soon, 516 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,920 right? But they never talk about the 517 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,040 back story. Even as a kid, I was like, why 518 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,640 is this young girl walking around in a strange town with 519 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,000 this older guy who's not her husband and about to have a 520 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,320 baby? Like where's her mum and dad? 521 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,760 Why is she giving birth in a in a stable? 522 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,760 Like I'm sure mum and dad would want to be around, you know, 523 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,840 what is the back story? Who is maybe's mum and dad? 524 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,480 Do we know? Do you know? 525 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,720 No, I don't. Think you ever heard anything 526 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,880 about Maybe's mum and dad? No. 527 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:54,160 You think that's a bit weird? Yeah, I'm just saying 528 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,560 everything. Everything just starts from and 529 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,280 the three kings came and they were in the stable and the baby 530 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,640 came out and then Fast forward 32 years or whatever, I was 531 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,320 like, hold on, what's the back story? 532 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,680 And what about the big, big middle chunk? 533 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,600 And you just don't, you don't hear any of that. 534 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,040 It's just a bit strange. A lot of the stories around 535 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,960 Jesus are are quite clearly lifted from other traditions. 536 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,240 Yeah, Yeah. You know, they were. 537 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,000 I think they were lots of other Christs before Christ. 538 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,120 And the anointed 1. Yeah, and virgin births was was 539 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,720 a, you know, a common trope. So I. 540 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,800 Think the reason why I'm just talking about this is I think 541 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,040 anyone, everyone, everyone should question everything. 542 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:48,640 And whether it's climate or even religion, question everything. 543 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,480 And if you're in a religion, the danger is you, you stop 544 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,080 questioning everything. You just start, No, it's a 545 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,200 belief. Beliefs are very difficult to 546 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,680 deal with and I like to deal with objective truth and 547 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,120 reality. Yeah, yeah, same. 548 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,160 And actually, when I don't know, I just say I don't know and I'm 549 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,880 open to everything. So you talk about Yahweh, 550 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,360 whatever it might be in some external maybe, but you know 551 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,040 what? I've got no evidence to see it 552 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,920 or prove it. So something that's just parked 553 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,800 there is like, yeah, maybe, but I'm not going to be like, yeah, 554 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,480 this is it. I don't know. 555 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,120 And we were like, well, I could be alien. 556 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,080 We could be, we could be in an alien thing. 557 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,240 It could be a simulation we're in. 558 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,680 Could be a this could be a that. Do you know what I don't know. 559 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,720 No one's been out and come back like out of this existence. 560 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,080 It's like, for example, imagine we're in a massive snowball. 561 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,120 You like a massive snowball. I think there's a massive 562 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,640 snowball, snow globe thing, massive snow globe sitting on my 563 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,880 desk. And in that snow globe is this 564 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,920 fantastic planet and little tiny people and cities and cars and 565 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,520 aeroplanes and all those little wee things in that snow globe. 566 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,560 They have no appreciation of even this office, never mind 567 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,080 London, the UK. That is their universe, and no 568 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,960 amount of experimentation within that snow globe will tell them 569 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,480 of what is outside. Sure, Yeah, Raw Living is a 570 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,320 great company. 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Just that ability to sit and sit 589 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,840 with it. I don't know, you know. 590 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,440 I think it's one of the things that people find hardest to 591 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,280 admit because they will lose face. 592 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,960 I used to have this problem of junior doctors all the time. 593 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,120 Oh, can I go and operate on this patient? 594 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,760 Have you done this operation? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 595 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,480 How many have you done? I've done 40. 596 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,840 I mean, Oh, well, that's quite a lot. 597 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,400 You sure you're happy going ahead and doing it? 598 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So off he goes to do fix this 599 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,840 broken hip while I do a ward round. 600 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,480 It's like a Saturday morning, you know? 601 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,680 And again, a phone call from an ANIS system after an hour 602 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,560 saying, where are you? I'm like, oh, I'm just finishing 603 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,640 up the wardrobe. Is everything all right? 604 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,800 Yeah, We, I need you to come down this, this hip. 605 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,600 I'm like, like that should be off the table by now. 606 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,240 What are you talking about? Like, are we sending for the, 607 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,640 the tibia now? They're like, he's not even 608 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,320 inside the joint yet. He's struggling. 609 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,520 I'm like, what? Why didn't he call me? 610 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,720 He's like, I, I suggested to him and he said, no, no, he's fine. 611 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,280 Oh God. So come down, scrub up and like, 612 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,120 it's just a complete bitchery like any you know, and it's like 613 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,880 the operation hasn't even barely started. 614 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,280 Incisions in the wrong place, can't dislocate the hip to cut 615 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,560 the neck. And I'm like, I thought you said 616 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,280 you did 40 of these and, and it's just very defensive, you 617 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,200 know, and it's all bullshit. And I have to have a word with 618 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,320 him afterwards and say like, you've not really done any of 619 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,000 these things. Well, I, I've, I've, I've seen 620 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,840 40 and and I've assisted with a couple. 621 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,600 How many have you done on your own? 622 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,600 None. And it's like, why? 623 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,600 Why do you? And it's not, that's not unique, 624 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,080 by the way, that a lot of people do that. 625 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,480 They'll just say, yeah, yeah, I can do this. 626 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,360 Yeah, yeah. Hang. 627 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,040 Hang on, It's like some someone who's not worked in the NHS. 628 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,880 That seems so you you're saying you're talking about someone 629 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,520 doing an operation on the hip. Yeah. 630 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,719 And that the decision of who does that operation is just 631 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,199 quite a casual thing like, well then I can do it. 632 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,000 You're on a team, so you go register. 633 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,400 The registrars may be quite senior, and the problem is 634 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,400 you're no longer working in team structures, so you don't get to 635 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,400 see that other person operate on a regular basis. 636 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,520 There's like 12 registrars and you'll get allocated randomly on 637 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,280 a weekend, a register that's on call that week who you may never 638 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,080 have operated with. So you said to them, are you at 639 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,199 the meeting in the morning? Are you comfortable doing this 640 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,880 operation? Are you, you know, and most 641 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,840 people would, you would hope would be honest and say, no, I 642 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,520 need some help with this. And most people do, but 643 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,960 sometimes a junior doctor would just maybe not be honest with 644 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,280 you. All right, I I. 645 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,159 Yeah, I find that sort of quite disturbing. 646 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,120 Well, disturbing, yeah. Because you'd think it would be 647 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,040 a very clear case this person is capable like, you know, four or 648 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,160 five people just sat around and go, is this guy? 649 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,640 Well, The thing is, you're on on your own in that weekend. 650 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,920 It's only you, the register, the junior doctor below that and, 651 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,680 you know, some ward nurses and that's it. 652 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,320 And like, you know, week 1, after they've started their 653 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,040 jobs, you've never met this person. 654 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,720 They're working for a different consultant, you know, you just 655 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:30,680 don't know. Yeah. 656 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,600 And you know what, When they give you a job as a surgeon, no 657 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,920 matter what grade, at no point is anyone actually observing and 658 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,880 checking how good you are at surgery. 659 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,640 The interview and the whole process is based on, yeah, 660 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,640 whether you've published any paper, research, what jobs 661 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,520 you've done, extracurricular activities, references. 662 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,760 No one actually, even as at the consultant level will say come 663 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,680 and do an operation and let us examine you and watch you 664 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,680 operate and see if you're skilled enough and competent 665 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,960 enough. No, none of that is done. 666 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,400 Really. Really. 667 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,920 God. Which I think. 668 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,640 I'm just naive but it just seems which is saying to me. 669 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,600 It is insane because there's so many people that are very good 670 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,120 and have polished CVS and are very good at bullshitting, 671 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,280 bullshitting and then when it comes to surgery they're they've 672 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,600 got 2 left hands. Yeah, of course. 673 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,840 Yeah. See, and I'll give another 674 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,840 example, like a lot of the professors and famous people 675 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,320 cheating people in Harley Street and all the celebrities, they're 676 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,640 often the worst all. Right, just the just the ones 677 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,560 who can talk the. Best the ones that can talk and 678 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,600 market and just bullshit. The people who are really good, 679 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,240 for example, are operating are somewhere in the middle of a DGH 680 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:54,960 in the middle of the countryside, just quietly 681 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,640 getting on with their craft and doing a good job. 682 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,040 And I haven't got time to be writing papers and bullshitting. 683 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,680 And even the papers, it's not like they're writing the papers. 684 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,680 They've got monkeys doing the research for them and they just 685 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:13,400 put their name on it. I mean that whole the problems 686 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,640 with academia isn't just another conversation. 687 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,880 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sorry Sir, for brushing 688 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,440 the bubble. Oh no, there's no bubble to buy. 689 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,000 There's so many stories I could tell you that horrific tell. 690 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,360 Us tell us a couple tell us a couple because. 691 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,720 This trainee Dr wants instead of painting the rod, you know when 692 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,680 you break a leg, your femur, your tibia, there's rods for 693 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,720 them and the tibias of different shaped rod to the the femur. 694 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,360 She wants to put a tibial rod down the femur. 695 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,000 No. So there's no like it, the 696 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,520 cheques, no cheques. There's no one. 697 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,720 There's no like double safety, kind of. 698 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,720 It depends hospital to hospital, supervision to supervision, 699 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,640 whether the consultant's going to come in and supervise and 700 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,200 operate, whether the registrar is just bullshitting and lying 701 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,320 and saying like they're better than they are. 702 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,840 And because again, asking for help means sometimes for some 703 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,000 people losing face and they and that to them, if you're insecure 704 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,760 in yourself, you will. But if you're look, if you're 705 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,160 confident and comfortable in yourself, you happily say, oh, 706 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,280 by the way, I wouldn't mind. Second opinion, I wouldn't mind. 707 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,160 Sure. I suppose financial, there's 708 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,120 financial incentive as well to bullshit, is there like in the 709 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,920 sense that, yeah, I can do that, Yeah. 710 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,560 I mean, presumably you, you progress further, you get a 711 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,560 better salary and yeah. Yeah. 712 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,320 Rather than someone who says, oh, I'm not sure I can do that. 713 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:49,680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like even like in the 714 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,200 private sector, you'll have someone who's like a hip surgeon 715 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,040 who does nothing but hips in the NHS. 716 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,560 And then the the person will be like, oh, I've got a bunion. 717 00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,920 Can you recommend a bunion surgeon? 718 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,240 And then the hip surgeon will be like, oh, I can do bunions too. 719 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,560 They haven't done a bunion in like 10 years. 720 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,600 And then they'll be like, they're operating on this 721 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,080 patient, the private sector, and doing a really shit job. 722 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,080 And I know this because I would see all these really bad foot 723 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,000 and ankle operations. I'm like, who who did you 724 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,320 operation? I was like spinal surgeon, a 725 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,160 shoulder surgeon. I was like, what what the fuck 726 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,120 are they doing operating on your feet? 727 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,400 It's like, but the, the patient doesn't know any better because 728 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,600 they think, well, he's a surgeon, he's an orthopaedic 729 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,000 surgeon. And he said, yeah, I can do it. 730 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,640 And I'm like, oh, whereas I, I would get people all the time 731 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,200 saying, oh, can you do my carpal tunnel? 732 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,440 Oh, can you do my knee as well? I've got meniscal tear, can you 733 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,080 do it? And I'd be like, no, I'm just 734 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,840 fanatical. Yes, I've done hundreds of knee 735 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,640 operations and I was a brilliant knee surgeon at one point, but I 736 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,720 haven't done it for eight years. And to be honest, you want 737 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:49,440 someone who's doing it regularly because if something like the 738 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,800 chances I will do an OK job and you'll be happy. 739 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,000 But God forbid if something goes wrong or if there's a 740 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,120 complication and you need something afterwards, you want 741 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,040 to be seeing someone who does it regularly and they go, all 742 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,920 right, that's a good point, doc. But the temptation for a lot of 743 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,080 doctors is like, well, that's another private case, a little 744 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,800 bit of money. Yeah, I can do that. 745 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,360 Wing it. Yeah, I mean, you get that in 746 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,920 kind of the media world, which probably the repercussions 747 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,240 aren't quite so serious, but can you do Photoshop? 748 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,040 Well, you know, I I know light room, but it's like, yeah, I can 749 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,320 do that. Yeah, but it's everywhere. 750 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,840 It's like, you know, plumbers, oh, I can do that bit of 751 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,480 electrical work for you and I can do a bit of that. 752 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,440 And I mean, it's like, and don't get me wrong, there are some 753 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:39,480 people who do are like really gifted all rounders. 754 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,160 But in when it comes to medicine, they're a dying breed. 755 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,920 Like there was a generation that was trained and they could do 756 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,880 literally spinal surgery and knee surgery and foot and eye 757 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,960 surgery. But those days are really well 758 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,720 and truly over because everyone is so super specialised. 759 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,640 You know, I will only operate on the right little toe kind of 760 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,040 thing. Oh, OK, yeah. 761 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,800 Why's that? Why's that coming back? 762 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,920 It's just. The way this specialism is, and 763 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,440 I think, I don't think it's a deliberate ploy, it's just, it's 764 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,920 a stupid thing. It's so disjointed because The 765 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,400 thing is doctors actually don't treat the whole patient. 766 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,760 They don't, they don't look at stress, your sleep, your diet, 767 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,640 your metabolic health, your mitochondrial health, your, 768 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:35,400 your, your anatomy, your joints. It's now like I'm just a 769 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,600 shoulder surgeon. Or take for example, my friend, 770 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,120 I was asking him, he's a surgeon or speaks her. 771 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,960 And he was like, I was like, how's your mum and dad? 772 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:48,080 And he was like, Oh yeah, mum's had some chest problems and but 773 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,440 you know, she's just had her, you know, heart cardioverted for 774 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,920 some irregular heart rhythm and but she's got this breathing 775 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,560 difficulty. And I said, Oh, well, you should 776 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,320 have asked the cardiologist about it. 777 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,560 You know, in the old days, the cardiologist had a stethoscope. 778 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,040 Listen to the heart, listen to the lungs. 779 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,200 And he goes, yeah, well, I, I, I did ask him. 780 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,840 He didn't have stethoscopes. And he goes, no, all I do is the 781 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,280 heart. If you want the lungs, you need 782 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,280 to go and see a pulmonary, you know, decision. 783 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,880 And it's like, do you see what I mean? 784 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,480 Like we've just gone away from like, I mean, it's not even 785 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,120 asking that heart doctor to listen, you know, look at the 786 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,840 brain or the kidneys. We're talking about literally 787 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,680 the lungs that are right next to the heart. 788 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,840 And he's like, no, no, I don't, I don't deal with that anymore. 789 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,600 If I it's not good. Because the reality is like, 790 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,680 when it comes to health, everything is connected, like 791 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,880 everything. And if you've got a very tunnel 792 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:49,000 vision, you don't see the big picture and you can't really 793 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,240 make people better. I mean, that's probably the 794 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,560 fundamental flaw in the kind of Western, well, not only 795 00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:01,800 medicine, but I think just the Western mind, isn't it? 796 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,520 It's separation. Not a bit of a cliche, but the 797 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,040 kind of Eastern philosophy tends to be more holistic. 798 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,760 And all these words are a bit loaded, aren't they? 799 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,280 And a bit corny. But I think there's a lot to be 800 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,080 said for that. Yeah, well, I've had some 801 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,080 Chinese medicine this year, acupuncture, and I really like 802 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,880 it. Yeah, and they look at the whole 803 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:31,320 body system. Yeah, I think our son wouldn't 804 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,120 have made it through to this realm if it hadn't been for 805 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,760 acupuncture. Really. 806 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,240 Yeah, because Vicky Ricky had endometriosis and had a ectopic 807 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:49,200 and top guy Doctor, English top guy in the country to do with 808 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:56,840 endometriosis, diagnosed her at Sussex and she said is there 809 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,840 anything I can do diet wise, anything like that? 810 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,640 No, no, no, you just eat what you want and there's nothing you 811 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,560 can do. Just come in for the surgery and 812 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:11,600 book to us in three months time. Vicki just knew she was going to 813 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,320 get pregnant. She was like, fuck that, I'm 814 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,000 listening to that. She researched it. 815 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,360 She did a diet, had acupuncture. She thinks acupuncture was 816 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,720 probably one of the biggest things. 817 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:31,720 She felt it moving. She went back for the surgery. 818 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,520 They went in, nothing there, no lesions, nothing. 819 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,760 There's grapefruit sized cysts that they'd seen with this 820 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,680 camera just gone. And she said to him, what? 821 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,840 How come? And he said, oh, you must have 822 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:53,600 been misdiagnosed. He just said, how is it? 823 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,240 How can you learn if that's your approach? 824 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,400 Yeah. Yeah, well, that's the problem. 825 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:11,720 Doctors are highly educated and indoctrinated and ignorant for 826 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:15,440 all these cults, even religions. Some people say those are just 827 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,840 bigger cults. They will always have some good 828 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,080 stuff going for them. So point the benefit system. 829 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,000 But the problem is what is what does it come with? 830 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,480 Viral IG is yet another pseudoscience. 831 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,680 Wakey wakey numb nuts. Like oh, that's not true. 832 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,280 I've had a couple of podcasts that I've ended like that like 833 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,280 abruptly like right, OK, I'm done now. 834 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,640 I need to like and it's just not cool. 835 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,440 I was literally thinking about driving an Uber. 836 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:41,640 They. Really. 837 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,000 Well, what do you do? Like, how are you going to make 838 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,320 money? How are you going to pay the 839 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:45,880 bills?