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Good afternoon. 
It's Friday the 23rd of February

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2024, just after 1:00. 
Welcome to UK Column News. 

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I'm your host Mike Robinson 
joining me today. 

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We have Ben Rubin and Debbie 
Evans and Cheryl Granger is with

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us today as well and we will 
have another guest later on. 

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Now we're going to get started 
with, well, the Online Safety 

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Act, online safety in general, 
because it's basically not 

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happening fast enough. 
So you can see switching on very

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slowly at the moment. 
This is according to the Public 

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Accounts Committee. 
So they have published a report 

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called Preparedness for Online 
Safety, relegation. 

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Sorry, regulation. 
So let's have a look and see 

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what they're saying. 
The public may be disappointed 

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with the new regime if people 
cannot quickly see improvements 

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to their online experience or 
understand how their complaints 

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are acted on. 
As the regulatory regime will 

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not be fully implemented until 
2026, there's a risk that public

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confidence in the regime will be
undermined. 

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Now, if anybody's been watching 
the UK column for the last few 

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years while we've been talking 
about this, I hope very much 

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that public confidence in the 
regime has already been 

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significantly undermined because
we would much prefer that the 

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regime doesn't happen at all. 
But let's go on with what they 

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had to say. 
This was the next bit. 

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Ofcom. 
As yet, work through the detail 

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of how fees levied on industry 
will work, including how it will

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recover the setup costs and 
cover the ongoing costs of the 

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regime. 
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paid for by the platforms, 
apparently, and not the 

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taxpayer, is what they seem to 
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So maybe that's one benefit. 
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faces significant challenges 
about how it will engage with 

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supervised and regulated 
providers based overseas, which 

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constitute the vast majority of 
regulated services, in 

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particular smaller providers and
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Ofcom's gaze. 
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biggest problem for them, 
because the likes of of Facebook

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and so on will be quite happy. 
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this process from the beginning,
since 2017, they will be quite 

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happy to do whatever the 
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perhaps less so. 
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required to do by by this online
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a standard of their terms and 
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In other words, if they say that
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types of speech, they will have 
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And they will have to enforce 
that with the penalty of 

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managers going to prison if they
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We've covered that many times. 
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providers, Of course this is the
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still small, relatively 
speaking, to YouTube and 

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whatnot, but certainly the UK 
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Public Accounts Committee, 
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will fall under the the radar. 
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This is Meg Hillier and this is 
what she had to say. 

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Ofcom must accelerate its 
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regulators, both at home and 
overseas, in recognition that it

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is at the forefront of a truly 
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right balance between freedom 
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So this is what they're claiming
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strike a balance between these 
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But it's a truly global effort. 
Ben, I realize I'm hijacking you

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once again here, but I mean, 
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Because this is something that 
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with countries in the European 
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And although there, there it's a
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States because of the protection
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Constitution. 
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this Kids Online Safety Act in 
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the platforms more or less in 
line with other countries, but a

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global effort. 
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many ways. 
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The safety of the public is the 
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phrase who, who, who are these 
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Where did they come from? 
Who asked them to do this stuff?

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I don't understand what's going 
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completely remarkable, totally 
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Yeah, that's my my reaction. 
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then of course GB News, which 
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mouthpiece for the Conservatives
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nonetheless, as we know, is 
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Ofcom. 
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want to push publish an opinion 
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MPA Tory MP, of course promoting
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bill. 
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ground breaking according to her
opinion piece and she said this.

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legislation designed to protect 
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Now of course we've been 
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years and all the way through 
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point that the pretence of 
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Online safety bill has been 
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Online Safety Act of course. 
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children at all. 
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children already in existence. 
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potential lag of 18 months until
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Rachel Rachel D'souza quite 
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a comprehensive range of 
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design, safety in schools and 
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funded by the tech companies. 
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course we saw what that brought 
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was that safety, public safety 
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everything that happened there 
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for everything that's happening 
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industrial complex is being 
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And this article from Anna Firth
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It also warned about the dangers
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and this is staggering that, I 
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because of course it's the Tory 
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government of which she is a 
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at the moment in the UK. 
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she is attempting to to push 
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in parallel with with all this 
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Of course, a week or so ago we 
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Elwood had been had experienced 
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house. 
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mad. 
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the furor over Lindsay Hoyle and
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that he took there because he 
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order to protect MPs and he was 
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MPs are in extreme danger at the
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So now they're talking about 
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around MPs houses and around MPs
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really problematic because I 
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I think I can appreciate that 
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I personally think that the 
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totally a false flag in the 
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in order to to bring forward 
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It's my personal opinion. 
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evidence for that, but that's 
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events. 
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safety is now becoming a problem
and we've already, over the last

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number of years seen a 
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and MPs going on. 
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more significant in the near 
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that they're talking about 
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constituency offices and no 
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constituency office, this seems 
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going in. 
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little bit of video from James 
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I think this was just have a 
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Well, Lord Warney, who has 
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Parliament and now advises the 
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put forward a report which I've 
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detail. 
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important and and there is, 
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protect freedom of speech and 
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protected in the United Kingdom.
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requirement to make sure that we
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who make decisions in 
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are, are, are doing so based on 
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information, based on their 
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reprisals. 
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protected from that. 
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They're going to be protected 
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they're doing the wrong thing, 
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listening and so on. 
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that they are protected from 
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harder. 
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protecting freedom of speech. 
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incredible statement from him. 
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the programme and Cheryl as 
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Just introduce Cheryl if you 
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Everyone and safety seems to be 
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Because Cheryl is going to be 
breaking news and giving us an 

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exclusive today on a question 
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meeting with regards to safety. 
She received a very significant 

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e-mail from Doctor Allison Cave,
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and she's here to give us an 
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Welcome Cheryl. 
Please take us away on what you 

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found out. 
Thanks, Debbie. 

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Hello, everybody. 
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in and asked a question of the 
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and three months later I got a 
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And what this question was 
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ruling that prescription 
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authority had made on 
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violated it's codes according to
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operates for pharma and it 
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COVID-19 vaccines has been safe 
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and that it claims were based on
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And so I asked, would the CEO 
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the MHRA like to retract the 
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have associated with the 
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practice is that you can't use 
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qualification. 
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in a previous answer to a 
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actually had stated that the 
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vaccines were safe and effective
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outweigh any risks. 
So this is the letter that I was

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sent in reply. 
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the whole thing, but she talked 
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releases to inform us about new 
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AstraZeneca vaccine. 
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terms of safe and effectiveness,
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in a minute on that particular 
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the yellow card system and how 
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The MHRA has been advised by the
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into the less frequent way of 
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stable safety profile that we 
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about information that has been 
published on pharma because this

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question of mine related back to
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thrombocytopenia group which 
were taking Asha Seneca to court

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because they had broken consumer
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that they'd use here, we're 
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the condition with 81 
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one in five of the group have 
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So let me concentrate on the 
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from my letter. 
This is saying that no medicinal

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products is completely risk free
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wrote to me. 
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Alison Cave who wrote the 
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So no medicinal products is 
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And I don't know how you can 
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that there no products is 
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the reason why the ABP is code 
of practice says you can't use 

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the word safe on any medication.
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distribution and effectiveness. 
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it work at the time of the first
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So a conclusion is reference to 
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and effective refers to this 
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remain remaining positive. 
So she probably regrets it, but 

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she basically asked that if I 
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get in touch. 
So that's what I've done and 

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this is what I've asked Doctor 
Cave, She talks about these 

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applicable safety standards. 
Where are they? 

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You know, what are their 
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What standards are they working 
to? 

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Where do the MHA publish their 
safety standards? 

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Also this benefit risk ratio. 
In order to work that out, 

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you've got to know what the 
benefits are. 

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I know that there are over 3400 
clinical peer reviewed papers 

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now that tend to go on about the
risks, but what about the 

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benefits? 
How did they work out the 

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benefits? 
What are the benefits of the 

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vaccines? 
Can they give us a list because 

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you can't work out the ratio 
accurately if you don't know all

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the information. 
And then how does that benefit 

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risk ratio apply to 
effectiveness? 

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Might be another question that I
could ask her. 

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And then the other thing I'd 
like to know about is the 

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licensing agreement of the 
vaccines, because all of them 

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actually state that it prevents 
from COVID-19 infection. 

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Whereas when you look at the 
data, it doesn't prevent against

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infection, transmission, 
hospitalisation or death. 

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And therefore has it broken its 
licensing agreement. 

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What happens when you break your
license agreement and these 

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other comments that she make 
about how many lives have been 

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saved by the vaccine? 
Well, how many lives have been 

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saved? 
What's their evidence for that 

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and how many deaths do they 
actually use? 

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What level of death do they use 
to withdraw a vaccine? 

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In the past it's been less than 
50. 

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And then why are deaths that are
reported? 

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So at the moment, at the end of 
January 2640, deaths were 

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reported. 
So there's more questions that 

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I've asked. 
They are all listed here. 

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And what I'd like to say is that
this morning I sent this off 

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last night at 8:00 and this 
morning I got a reply to say 

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they've referred this letter to 
the safety and surveillance 

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group. 
So perhaps it will get back to 

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Alison Cave. 
Thank you. 

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Cheryl, thank you so much for 
that. 

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And I just have to say to our 
audience watching, we've got a 

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big reveal coming in extra to do
with this, this same segment. 

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So please stay tuned for extra. 
There's more to come. 

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OK, Debbie, Cheryl, thank you 
very much for that. 

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Ben, let me welcome you back 
onto the programme and sticking 

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with health issues, pharmacies 
and so on are becoming the 

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frontline as far as most people 
are concerned. 

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So what have you got? 
Absolutely. 

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Thanks Cheryl for that. 
That was, that was fascinating 

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and incredibly rebelling and 
really relevant to what I'm 

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going to come on to now. 
So we're going to talk a bit 

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about the NHS privatization, 
digitization, the ever closer 

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integration of the health system
with the Pharmaceutical industry

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and which can kick things off by
hearing from Boots the chemist. 

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The NHS Pharmacy First service 
represents a major change for 

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patients accessing care. 
For minor ailments. 

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In England, it gives patients 
the opportunity to access care 

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in their pharmacy 1st for 
treatments for seven common 

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conditions, rather than going to
their GP to get A. 

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Prescription. 
The NHS anticipate that this 

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service will help to save 10 
million GP appointments by next 

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winter. 
Pharmacy 1st is a hugely 

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positive development. 
It frees up time for GPS like 

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myself so that we can offer help
to patients with different 

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healthcare needs. 
It'll be great that they can now

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extend their support for our 
patients with the pharmacy first

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service. 
So we're told that Pharmacy 1st 

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is all about reducing demand on 
GPS and transforming primary 

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care. 
It's certainly transforming 

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primary care, but I think the 
the main outcome of this is just

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making it easier to get 
pharmaceuticals out to the 

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public. 
They're call me cynical. 

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This is a huge business which is
the biggest chemist in the 

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country. 
It's 175 years old, They handle 

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well over £10 billion a year in 
NHS prescriptions. 

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It's a huge business for them 
and the idea of this is to make 

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it even bigger. 
They're effectively becoming the

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front door to the NHS. 
This is public private 

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partnership. 
We've talked about a lot. 

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It's not just Boots by the way, 
it's also the smaller 

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pharmacies. 
This is taking place across the 

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UK, but obviously Boots got a 
big marketing budget so they've 

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done a nice fancy video about 
it. 

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And the other thing that jumped 
out at me about that was the 

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presence in the film of this 
lady doctor, Sarah Kyatt, who 

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came to some prominence, or 
certainly came to my awareness, 

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after this appearance on Good 
Morning Britain in early 2021. 

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Well, what's really excellent 
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think should be shouted from the
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from the first vaccination of 
the AstraZeneca vaccine. 

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You are 100. 
Percent effective against 

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hospitalisation and death, so 
you know those. 

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Are the statistics. 
We need to be hearing and. 

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Yes, we why haven't we heard 
that? 

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Before. 
Well, here I am. 

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OK, so that aged like a pint of 
milk on a hot summer's day, 

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didn't it? 
For the interviewer and the 

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interviewee, 100% prevention of 
death. 

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That was quite a bold claim, 
wasn't it? 

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Apart from we've seen quite a 
bit of death, not just from 

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vaccinated people who've caught 
COVID, but also via the yellow 

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card reporting scheme which 
Cheryl talked about earlier 

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through all the adverse 
reactions to the AstraZeneca 

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vaccine that the doctor there 
was just talking about. 

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So if we just click on, we can 
see in the bottom there that 

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we've had 1364 deaths directly 
from that vaccine and the thick 

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end of a million adverse 
reactions, some of those really 

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serious injuries. 
Now, for my money, that you, 

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young woman should have been 
struck off and potentially 

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facing criminal charges for what
she did there. 

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But apparently Boots think that 
she's someone who should be 

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being given a lucrative contract
pushing further medicalisation 

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and privatisation of healthcare.
Really, really odd stuff going 

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on in the health system at the 
moment. 

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Boots, by the way, is run by one
of this mob. 

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You'll probably be familiar with
the photo. 

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This is the Burlington Club. 
You can see Boris Johnson bottom

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front right and David Cameron 
back there, but also this guy 

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Seb James in the front left. 
So he's the current chief 

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executive of Boots. 
He's been there for about 6 

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years now, earns the thick end 
of £2,000,000 a year on his 

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basic salary plus bonuses 
etcetera. 

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And he is running a major part 
of this integrated public 

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private health system. 
And this is what's happening in 

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the NHS right now. 
What else are they doing? 

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What else are they building? 
A drone delivery network. 

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This popped up on my radar this 
week and ultimately the goal of 

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this, we have to understand is, 
is to deliver pharmaceuticals 

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more efficiently to patients. 
They're building it nationally. 

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We can see from the website of 
this company Apion, that this is

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a national network and it gives 
you a sense of the coverage, 

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what we're talking about across 
the entire health system. 

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This lady, Juliette Bauer, 
recently joined their board as 

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Chief Commercial Officer. 
So she's basically responsible 

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for the commercial operations in
the growth of this enterprise. 

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But she's also at the same time 
a current serving governor of 

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Chelsea and Westminster Hospital
NHS Foundation Trust. 

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She's working inside the NHS as 
well as building a private 

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enterprise in the health system.
I do not understand how this is 

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possible. 
How can Juliette Bauer for doing

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that work? 
And she's been working in the 

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health system like this for 
quite some time before she 

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joined AP. 
And she was also the Chief 

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growth Officer and UK managing 
director of an organization 

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called CRY, which is a Swedish 
digital GP business, which is 

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again just one of the digital 
platform players that's been 

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building big commercial 
operations on top of our health 

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system. 
Because apparently the NHS, he's

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incapable of building and 
deploying his own technology. 

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And Juliet Barr would know that 
because before that she was the 

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chief digital officer of the NHS
between 2016 and 2019. 

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Quite a remarkable CV that she 
has. 

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She also used to work when she 
was a cry with this fella. 

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And I want to just bring him up 
because he's a fascinating 

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character. 
Johanna Shield, he looks like a 

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Bond villain. 
I don't know if you can see 

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properly, but he's one of his 
eyes and he's a different colour

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to the other one and he's 
slightly greyed out. 

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But also he's got this 
fascinating image in his 

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LinkedIn profile at the top 
there, which I think tells you a

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lot about how these people 
think, right? 

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They basically view the world as
a computer simulation that they 

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can manipulate using their 
technology platforms, and we can

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see this playing out in the way 
that the NHS is expanding into 

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virtual wards. 
We've got a short film here to 

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explain a bit more about that. 
What is a virtual ward? 

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Virtual wards provide hospital 
level care and remote monitoring

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in your own home. 
They allow you either to stay at

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home, receive care at home, or 
after being in hospital, to 

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continue your treatment at home 
where you are most comfortable. 

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There is emerging evidence to 
show the patients have better 

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outcomes when treated at home 
rather than being treated in 

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hospital. 
Virtual wards have teams of 

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healthcare professionals near to
you who can provide high quality

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care to you, either face to face
in your own home or remotely, 

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usually supported with clinical 
advice, cutting edge monitoring 

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devices, smartphones and other 
technology. 

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They're evolving to manage a 
wider range of medical 

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conditions that would otherwise 
be treated in hospital, 

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particularly for frail patients 
and those with acute respiratory

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infections. 
Thousands of people across 

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England are benefiting from 
being treated at home on a 

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virtual ward. 
So you can get a sense of what 

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the NHS is up to it. 
It is attempting to become 

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omnipresent. 
Yeah, they are building a 

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digitally enabled 
biotechnological surveillance 

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network. 
It's going to be across the 

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whole UK. 
It's going to be in your 

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bedroom, your living room. 
It's going to be enabled by the 

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drone technologies, and it's 
being delivered through public 

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private partnerships, which, as 
we've spoken about extensively 

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on the news, is the dictionary 
definition of fascism. 

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This is all extremely 
concerning. 

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Yeah. 
And not just public private 

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partnerships, Ben, but public 
private partnerships where some 

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of the key staff seem to be 
working on both sides of, you 

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know, on the public and in 
private. 

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So that's that's a key. 
Point. 

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Yes, OK, thank you. 
OK, let's move on. 

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Debbie, your latest blog is up. 

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It is happiness. 
Big business happiness, as is 

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fluoride. 
Going to be a big agenda too. 

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So all of those subjects and 
more and the bubonic played in 

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the Alaska parks are just a bit 
of a warning. 

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Cats. 
We seem to be targeting cats, so

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please check it out. 
Sorry, Debbie, did we not target

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cats during COVID as well? 
We did. 

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We did indeed, And we seem to be
appearing to target cats again 

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for both Bubonic plague and 
Alaska Box. 

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OK, thank you. 
Now yesterday the an interview 

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where the gutsy woman interview 
went out with Dan Rasmussen 

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Mcaddy that will be on the 
website later on. 

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Today we expect and on Sunday 
let's remember the Midazolam 

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murders exposing state 
sanctioned involuntary 

461
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,840
euthanasia. 
This is symposium taking place 

462
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,680
on the UK column website 6:00 PM
and Sunday. 

463
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,760
Do join us for that if you 
possibly can because that's got 

464
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,400
to be a pretty hard hitting 
event. 

465
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,960
We just were asked to remind 
everybody that and the petition 

466
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,680
is being run to end EU KS 
adoption of UUN Agenda 2030 and 

467
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,120
the 17 Sustainable Development 
Goals. 

468
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,520
If anybody would like to to sign
that, please do so. 

469
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,920
And we were also asked to point 
this out. 

470
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,160
There's a consultation going on 
at the moment around the storage

471
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,520
and retention of original will 
documents. 

472
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,680
So this is documents that are 
held with respect to probate and

473
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,560
they've been being held in paper
form I believe since the mid 

474
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,800
1800s. 
The government is going, there's

475
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,440
consulting on the on the plan to
digitize all these and then 

476
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,800
destroy the original documents. 
They say they're going to retain

477
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,320
some of the documents that have 
originated with well known 

478
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,800
people, but otherwise everything
is going to be destroyed and 

479
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,480
there's some concern that that's
going to result in certain 

480
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,600
records being lost. 
So just wanted to point that out

481
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,240
to everybody to have a look and 
see if you want to make a 

482
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,320
response to that consultation. 
Debbie, let's say hello to you 

483
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,360
again and talk about Pfizer, 
Yeah. 

484
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,480
Well, we've talked about 
AstraZeneca, we've talked about 

485
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,080
safety, we've talked about 
pharmacies. 

486
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,960
So let's go for Pfizer. 
We all know the risks associated

487
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,520
with the Pfizer COVID-19 
vaccine. 

488
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,360
So we've got our Pfizer 
situation room on the front page

489
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,400
of UK column that Cheryl is 
running. 

490
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,440
The Pfizer documents analysis 
reports, But Pfizer need a new 

491
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,040
agenda, don't they? 
So let's just have a look at 

492
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,040
their new agenda and don't stop 
them because they're having a 

493
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:32,720
good time. 
Tonight I'm going to help myself

494
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:38,400
through a good time. 
I feel alive and the world 

495
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:56,360
floating around in ecstasy, so. 
Stop me now. 

496
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,720
Don't stop. 
Crush I'm having a good time. 

497
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,760
Having a good time. 
You're shooting star leaping 

498
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:46,960
through the sky like a tiger. 
I don't want to stop at all. 

499
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,360
You can't make it up, can you? 
Let's outdo cancer. 

500
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,600
But let me introduce you to 
Arena Pharmaceuticals now. 

501
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,440
Arena Pharmaceuticals are AUS 
company set up in 1997. 

502
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,440
They specialized in drugs under 
development. 

503
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,840
Now let's have a little bit a 
look at Arena in more depth. 

504
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,360
They've a third party warehouse 
in the UK still to find out 

505
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,160
where this warehouse is and 
they're also MHRA audited and 

506
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,960
licensed, which means they've 
got ambient and shield storage 

507
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,560
and distribution. 
Now their registered office 

508
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,080
seems to be in Buckingham, Hemel
Hempstead, they're a wholesale 

509
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,280
pharma that they that they 
they're a wholesale 

510
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,360
pharmaceutical distributor. 
So you can see a bit about them 

511
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,360
there. 
They're based in Central in 

512
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,520
central England, but they're 
also they've been presenting to 

513
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,080
JP Morgan as well. 
So they're a big company, a very

514
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,600
big company. 
And just after they presented to

515
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,840
JP Morgan, the Amit Munshi, the 
CEO was was doing that 

516
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,160
presentation in 2021, Pfizer 
announced that they would be 

517
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,040
buying Arena to help them with 
their cure for post COVID. 

518
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,560
So all of the conditions that 
maybe have been caused through 

519
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,360
the COVID-19 injection, they're 
now going through Arena 

520
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,880
Pharmaceuticals with a load of 
cures. 

521
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,760
So they confirmed in 2022 that 
they'd completed the acquisition

522
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,680
of Arena. 
So post COVID, they're going to 

523
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,640
be be bringing a portfolio of 
diverse products. 

524
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,960
Now one of these products I want
you to take note of and we'll 

525
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,920
talk about it more in extra 
because Cheryl's here, but it's 

526
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,880
called Etrazimod. 
So I just want you to take 

527
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,400
notice of that Etrazimod and 
this is for Crohn's and 

528
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,280
ulcerative colitis. 
Now I just want to bring your 

529
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,440
attention to a peer reviewed 
paper that I've found that would

530
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,320
suggest that many 
gastrointestinal problems are 

531
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,720
being now seen after the 
injection and there is a case of

532
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,720
ulcerative colitis appearing to 
be significant after injection. 

533
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,840
So if we skip on to the next 
slide, what I want to show you 

534
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:11,120
is a little a little tiny video 
about Crohn's and colitis. 

535
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,400
What is it? 
I'm sure it's just a dodgy 

536
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,720
tummy. 
It comes and goes. 

537
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,600
I read a. 
Blog. 

538
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,360
That said, just avoid certain 
foods. 

539
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,960
Maybe it's too much partying. 
If you have any of these 

540
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,240
symptoms, it's time to cut the 
crap. 

541
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,440
It could be Crohn's or colitis. 
Over 500,000 people are living 

542
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,720
with Crohn's or colitis in the 
UK, but often the signs are 

543
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,080
ignored. 
Check your symptoms today with 

544
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,360
the Crohn's and Colitis UK 
Symptom checker. 

545
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,240
OK, so this is a big deal. 
So the NHS overview is that this

546
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,880
affects the colon and rectum. 
When it becomes inflamed you can

547
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,480
get diarrhoea with pus and blood
in it. 

548
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,320
Tummy pain, frequency of 
emptying your bowels. 

549
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,440
You get flare ups and you can 
feel very fatigued and get a 

550
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,480
loss of appetite. 
What causes ulcerative colitis? 

551
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,600
Well, actually, nobody really 
knows. 

552
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,320
They think it could be genetic, 
it could be environmental. 

553
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,840
Um. 
And what are the complications 

554
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,719
of um, Ulcerative colitis? 
So they do say that that more 

555
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,920
fear and increased risk of 
cancer. 

556
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,320
One in 227 have a diagnosis of 
ulcerative colitis that equates 

557
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,960
to 296,000. 
And it also notes there the most

558
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,800
common descendants are Ashkenazi
Jews, which I thought was a bit 

559
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,400
strange. 
Anyway, there's been a trial, a 

560
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,560
gladiator trial. 
Funny how these trials have 

561
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,840
suddenly got names like storms, 
which Cheryl alerted me too. 

562
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,800
So the gladiator trial is your 
daily life disrupted by your 

563
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,719
ulcer, your ulcerative colitis. 
Now what do you get on this 

564
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,520
trial? 
Well, you get an investigational

565
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,159
drug actually and you get 
oversee by ulcerative colitis 

566
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,280
experts. 
But who are the sponsors of this

567
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,800
trial? 
Well, it won't surprise you to 

568
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,920
find out that it's arena Pfizer 
and patient wing. 

569
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,280
Now this new drug Etrazimod, 
this is Pfizer's new drug and 

570
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,640
they have now had it approved by
the EMA, but the other name for 

571
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,360
it is Valcicity. 
Now I want you to just take note

572
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,440
of that Valcicity 22 names for 
it. 

573
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:23,560
So if we skip on to the next 
slide, you can see there that 

574
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,840
we've got a couple of studies 
now on long term safety and 

575
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,800
efficacy of this new drug and 
you can see in some cases it 

576
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,160
made patients ulcerative colitis
actually worse. 

577
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,440
In the next study in nature 
you'll be able to see that 

578
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,080
actually safety data should be 
accumulated because actually 

579
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,840
long term efficacy hasn't been 
seen. 

580
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,440
But if we go to Pfizer's own 
page, they they this is a 

581
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,960
patient information page for 
Valcipiti. 

582
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,920
So this is for the treatment of 
moderately to severely active 

583
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,360
ulcerative colitis. 
OK, so please go to this page to

584
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,720
look. 
So before you start the 

585
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,200
treatment, you're going to need 
a full blood count, full blood 

586
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,120
work, eye and skin examinations,
and an ECG. 

587
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,680
This all sounds pretty dramatic,
doesn't it? 

588
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,560
But it goes on. 
If we go on one, we can see that

589
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,520
they say don't take valcipity. 
If you've had a heart attack, 

590
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,160
chest pain, stroke, mini stroke,
transient ischemic attacks, 

591
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,920
certain types of heart failure. 
If you've had a history of 

592
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,600
unusual heartbeats, talk to your
health provider before taking 

593
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,200
valcipity and going on from 
there. 

594
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,320
Again, they want to check 
vaccination records and say that

595
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,200
the serious side effects can 
include death, basically uh 

596
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,120
serious infection. 
Those infections can be life 

597
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,120
threatening and cause death. 
So I really would urge everybody

598
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,040
to look at this these slides in 
detail when you get the chance. 

599
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,960
And if you do know somebody with
ulcerative colitis, please get 

600
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,680
them to look at the Valcippity 
page because it's been approved 

601
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,120
by the EMA so could easily be 
proved by the MHRA. 

602
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,960
These are what they did. 
These are the instructions. 

603
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,800
They tell you to speak to your 
health provider or all about 

604
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,400
your medical conditions in great
depth if you are going to take 

605
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,200
this drug. 
And this includes anybody that's

606
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,000
pregnant or plans to become 
pregnant or is breastfeeding. 

607
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,040
So I'm taking it from that as 
it's an investigational drug 

608
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,840
that this could possibly mean 
it's teratogenic. 

609
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,560
And I would just like to remind 
people, and I'm not going to 

610
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,600
make any predictions here, but 
the Princess of Wales was in 

611
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,360
hospital for a very long time 
after having abdominal surgery. 

612
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,200
None of us know what that is. 
But it's interesting that Prince

613
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,960
William has appointed now former
government diplomat as his 

614
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,040
private secretary. 
This is Ian Patrick, who is also

615
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,960
a sufferer of colitis and 
Crohn's and is a trustee of the 

616
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,480
Crohn's trust. 
So just keep your eyes on these 

617
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,640
new drugs that are coming down 
through these new pharmaceutical

618
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,920
companies, this one arena. 
Thank you, Debbie. 

619
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,960
Ben, let's come back to you and 
AI. 

620
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,240
Once men turned their thinking 
over to machines in the hope 

621
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:12,840
that this would set them free, 
but that only permitted other 

622
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,520
men with machines to enslave 
them. 

623
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:22,840
This year from Tony Blair, it 
could be a whole generation of 

624
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,680
bio weapons spawned as a result 
of this. 

625
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,320
There there can be interference 
in elections. 

626
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,440
You know there are I think you 
can identify categories of risk 

627
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,640
fairly easily. 
Then you've got to decide what 

628
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:40,840
you actually do about that. 
But then as as as Martha was 

629
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:46,120
just saying, we will want 
government will want business to

630
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,040
be efficient, business will have
to employ this technology. 

631
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,480
But when it employs the 
technology, it will do so often 

632
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:58,480
by making redundant some of its 
workforce, potentially quite a 

633
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,120
lot of its workforce potentially
as I understand it, as much in 

634
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,480
white collar industries as as 
not. 

635
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,360
So this is a, you know this, 
the, the, the social and 

636
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,600
political implications are are 
are going to be huge. 

637
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,600
There's a lovely moment in that 
video. 

638
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,880
It's from Chatham House back in 
September last year, I think it 

639
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,720
was. 
And he basically says what we 

640
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:24,680
will want and then catches 
himself and says what 

641
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,480
governments will want business 
to do. 

642
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,680
So he's he forgets his lines for
a second and it's like he's not 

643
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,960
calling the shots. 
But obviously Blair is one of 

644
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,400
these people telling governments
and businesses what to do 

645
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,320
globally. 
He's a big proponent of AI. 

646
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,800
He's sketched out some of the 
risks there. 

647
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,680
We're aware of what they are, 
the potential for the creation 

648
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,840
of new bio weapons, election 
interference, and the huge 

649
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,320
social and political 
implications, particularly 

650
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,520
things like mass unemployment. 
Let's have a look what Amazon 

651
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,880
are up to. 
This is a grocery packing 

652
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,440
warehouse in the southeast of 
London. 

653
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,640
Folks have ordered their 
groceries online and instead of 

654
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,200
people walking up and down the 
aisles of a traditional grocery 

655
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,640
store to pick up items, these 
little devices move more than a 

656
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,720
million items every day between 
them. 

657
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,160
Instead of trying to build 
machines that fit into a world 

658
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,000
designed for humans, this entire
facility, the size of seven 

659
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,880
football fields, is custom built
to make this as efficient as 

660
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,360
possible. 
I cannot get across on camera 

661
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,720
just how incredibly large this 
whole place is. 

662
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,680
A million items a day. 
So what is that? 

663
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,120
I don't know. 10,000 jobs, 
20,000 jobs gone in one 

664
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,280
warehouse in South London, 
right. 

665
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,640
And obviously none of this is 
new. 

666
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,680
Automation has been going on for
a long time. 

667
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,840
We're seeing it happen with 
white collar jobs as well. 

668
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,200
Even the technology sector is 
beginning to lay people off 

669
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,560
because of AI. 
The snake is beginning to eat 

670
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,280
its own tail here, as they say. 
As I said, this has been going 

671
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,960
on for decades. 
Automation and digitisation 

672
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,880
means that the number of 
employees required to generate 

673
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:04,720
you can flick on to the next 
slide, the there, there we go. 

674
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,320
The number of employees required
to generate $1,000,000 in 

675
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,680
revenue in the S&P 500 has 
fallen from 8:00 in the mid 80s 

676
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,920
to just over 2 today. 
It's a huge drop in the number 

677
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,440
of employees required to do the 
work that was being done. 

678
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,560
And Elon Musk says quite quite 
emphatically that there will 

679
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,480
come a point where no job is 
needed. 

680
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:32,800
AI will be able to do everything
AI built and owned by people 

681
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,440
like Elon Musk, one of the men 
with machines that we talked 

682
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,160
about at the start. 
So what happens next? 

683
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,200
Let's hear from you, Val. 
Noah Harari. 

684
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,000
The technology will. 
On the one hand, make it 

685
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,560
possible to start enhancing and 
upgrading humans, and on the 

686
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,520
other hand, especially the rise 
of AI will make more and more 

687
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,280
humans economically unnecessary,
useless and therefore also 

688
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,440
politically powerless. 
And the world or humanity might 

689
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,040
have different parts of 
humanity, might have different 

690
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,160
futures. 
And we might see really a 

691
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:13,200
process of some kind of 
speciation speciation, the 

692
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,960
formation of new species as a 
result of geographic, 

693
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,360
physiological, anatomical, 
behavioural factors that prevent

694
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,880
previously interbreeding 
populations from breeding each 

695
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,080
up with each other. 
They actually think that they're

696
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,680
going to elevate themselves into
becoming non human superhuman. 

697
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,280
This is the Nishan Ubermensch on
steroids, right? 

698
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,880
This is what Harare and others 
like him believe that they are 

699
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,960
about to become. 
I think Elon Musk is probably in

700
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,640
that same category. 
Here's another one, Sam Altman, 

701
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,000
who is a Jewish guy, apparently 
going to his Twitter profile. 

702
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,480
He's very keen for you to know 
that, and he runs A blog, 

703
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,960
apparently on the Internet. 
What could possibly go wrong? 

704
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,000
But more than that, Sam Altman 
is, according to Wired magazine,

705
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:03,080
one of our AI overlords. 
Maybe that's the speciation. 

706
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,560
It's the AI overlords who are 
going to be the new species. 

707
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,720
Because Sam Altman, if you 
weren't aware, is the founder of

708
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:14,200
Open AI of ChatGPT fame. 
You've probably heard of it. 

709
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,840
People have been talking about 
it a lot for the past 12 to 18 

710
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,320
months. 
It began as a non profit but 

711
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,120
it's since become one of the 
richest and fastest growing 

712
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:28,040
companies on earth due to a 
partnership with this fella who 

713
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:33,880
is Satya Nadella from Microsoft.
And they have embedded Open AI 

714
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,760
technology into their tech, into
their core stack and introduced 

715
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,840
this new product line called 
copilot which is for Nadella's 

716
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,800
money the future of the 
business. 

717
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,240
And Elon Musk who was one of the
founders founding investors of 

718
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:54,800
Open AI described this as being 
the opposite of Open. 

719
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,920
Open AI is essentially captured 
now by Microsoft. 

720
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,840
Let's say you founded an 
organization to save the Amazon 

721
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,040
rainforest and instead you 
became a lumber company, chopped

722
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,360
down the forest and sold it. 
That's what he's saying that 

723
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:16,080
Altman has done here. 
So what is Altman's vision for 

724
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,480
the immediate future? 
Let's have a listen to him now. 

725
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:44,900
I hope the sound was OK for 
everyone because I didn't hear 

726
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:49,140
that properly for some reason. 
But what Sam was talking about 

727
00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:51,460
there, Mr. Oldman was talking 
about, there was the idea that 

728
00:45:51,460 --> 00:45:56,180
in the immediate future we're 
going to be seeing one person 

729
00:45:56,180 --> 00:46:00,480
companies worth a billion 
dollars, right? 

730
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,920
So in a world of artificial 
intelligence, mass automation 

731
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,760
and digitisation, we're going to
have individuals running 

732
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,360
companies worth a billion 
dollars, right? 

733
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,480
What kind of world is that? 
What social utility is there to 

734
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,480
an organization such as this? 
And what mentality sees that as 

735
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,920
a desirable end state? 
It is absolutely psychotic. 

736
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,320
They also talked about in the 
video a place called Cerebral 

737
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,920
Valley where a lot of this 
thinking is being developed. 

738
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,280
This is a a virtual location as 
you'd expect. 

739
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,880
They've got a website you can go
and look at it. 

740
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,440
It talks about all of the things
that we're talking about here in

741
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,000
very positive terms, but it's 
also a physical place as well, 

742
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,960
called Hayes Valley in Central 
San Francisco. 

743
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:52,800
And this is being billed as the 
new hub of the future, the role 

744
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,280
that Silicon Valley used to play
through the 90s and the 2000s. 

745
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,400
The real focal point of that for
artificial intelligence is this 

746
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:06,040
one district in San Francisco, 
and they are building this 

747
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,880
technological future that Altman
sits right at the heart of. 

748
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:15,560
What do we know about him? 
Well, the business that he's one

749
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,800
of his original partners has 
said essentially is completely 

750
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,400
sold out and portrayed his 
founding principles. 

751
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:26,840
He says he's going to have to 
evolve in uncomfortable ways. 

752
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,720
And he talked about to Axios 
recently about how they're going

753
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:35,400
to have to do things which sit 
outside the normal ethical codes

754
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,840
and understanding of right and 
wrong. 

755
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,640
You can see this in in practice 
in the manner in which they 

756
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,040
approach copyright legislation. 
So they submitted some evidence 

757
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,560
to the House of Lords recently, 
saying that because copyright 

758
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,880
today covers virtually every 
sort of human expression, 

759
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,000
including blog posts, 
photographs, forum posts, scraps

760
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,560
of software code, and government
documents, it would be 

761
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,680
impossible to train today's 
leading AI models without using 

762
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:09,120
copyrighted materials. 
So therefore, open AI ChatGPT. 

763
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:14,160
Sam Altman sees himself and his 
company sitting outside of the 

764
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,720
restrictions placed upon 
everybody else. 

765
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,640
And he's only just getting 
warmed up because he's talking 

766
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:29,840
about raising a $7 trillion fund
to build this new AI ecosystem 

767
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,480
within which he as the founder 
and operator of that fund. 

768
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,120
This is absolutely unprecedented
scale of venture capital private

769
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:45,040
equity investment. 
He individually will be hand 

770
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:53,160
picking members of his elite new
species of men with machines and

771
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,800
this is the future that they are
attempting to take us into. 

772
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,800
Ben, thank you. 
We're going to have a lot to 

773
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,640
talk about in extra because 
that's I want to touch on that 

774
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:07,880
particular topic as well. 
But Debbie, we've got another 

775
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,840
guest has appeared I see. 
And well welcome to Doctor Ahmed

776
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,760
Malik. 
But Debbie, go ahead. 

777
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,200
I'm delighted to be able to 
welcome Doctor Ahmed Malik when 

778
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,520
we need doctors qualified 
consultants. 

779
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,240
More than ever in the NHS we 
seem to be losing them and 

780
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,160
Ahmed's here to tell us about 
his license and what's happened 

781
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,080
to it. 
Ahmed, welcome to UK column. 

782
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,120
Tell us what happened to your 
license. 

783
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,600
Oh, thanks for having me on. 
I was totally engrossed, 

784
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,840
engrossed in that previous clip,
by the way. 

785
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,400
Wow, that's kind of scary right?
Back to me. 

786
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,560
So basically, having been 
cancelled and suspended from all

787
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,440
the hospitals that I was working
out of bar one, I was fat. 

788
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,800
I was in a position where I can 
practice anymore financially, 

789
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,240
just didn't make any sense. 
I was losing money every month 

790
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:06,520
for about 3-4 months. 
So I thought, what? 

791
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,800
What is the point of a surgeon? 
If you can access an operating 

792
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,480
theatre, I'd love to operate 
here. 

793
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,200
My garden studio. 
I think I would get into trouble

794
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,680
for it. 
I don't have the equipment. 

795
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,640
It's not very sterile, so I 
can't really do that. 

796
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,680
So a surgeon with an operating 
theatre is pretty goddamn 

797
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,760
useless. 
It's like a Navy without ships, 

798
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,440
almost like the Royal Navy 
anyway. 

799
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,480
So basically I thought, right, I
just need to give it all up. 

800
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,280
There's no point hanging around.
And the problem is, if you're 

801
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,360
registered with the GMC, not 
only do you have to pay £450 a 

802
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,240
year for the license, you need 
to do a yearly appraisal, which 

803
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:44,640
is thousands of pounds. 
Spending it on courses and CPD 

804
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,040
points and then actual appraisal
is almost 1000 lbs. 

805
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,960
For what? 
Just so that I can be on the 

806
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,720
registrar. 
And I'll be honest with you, for

807
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:54,280
the last year something very 
strange happened. 

808
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,800
I've been a doctor for 25 years.
For the last year, I felt a 

809
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:03,320
noose around my neck. 
I have felt the GMC noose, you 

810
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,840
know, just getting a little bit 
tighter and tighter because you 

811
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,280
don't like doctors like me who 
speak up and question. 

812
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,720
And I've already been 
investigated once based on 

813
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,080
anonymous online Twitter troll 
complaints. 

814
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,240
I just don't need this anymore. 
It feels like I'm. 

815
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,320
I'm driving down the road and 
there's cop cars all around me. 

816
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,840
And the moment you speed one 
mile over the limit, they come 

817
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,360
up, pull you over, take you to 
jail, then let you go again. 

818
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,560
And the next day you're back on 
the road and there's another 

819
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,000
four cop cars around you. 
But The funny thing is the cars 

820
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,080
are driving, You know, the 
drivers are under influence. 

821
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,560
They're crashing and speeding. 
The cop cars are totally 

822
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,680
ignoring them, and they've got 
their eyes on me. 

823
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,120
And the other doctors were 
questioning the COVID job, 

824
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,120
transgender ideology. 
So I actually applied for 

825
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,680
voluntary erasure, you know, in 
January. 

826
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,480
And to my surprise, they have 
let me go. 

827
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,400
So I'm no longer GMC registered.
I don't have a license to 

828
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,240
practice. 
It's kind of sad, but at the 

829
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:13,600
same time, it's very liberating.
I feel kind of free now that you

830
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,240
know, someone's not going to 
come after me and just start an 

831
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:19,360
investigation out of the blue. 
And if this all sounds very 

832
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,920
paranoid, oh, Ahmed is very 
paranoid. 

833
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,880
Dogmatic. 
The paranoid Dr. It's not 

834
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,560
really. 
Just look around you. 

835
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,840
We started off with Andrew 
Wakefield. 

836
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,400
We've got Sarah Myhill, who's 
under a suspension for 

837
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,640
apparently prescribing that 
famous horse, Dewormer. 

838
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,160
Wink, wink, you know, every six 
months her face is dragged 

839
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,760
across the Daily Mail. 
And you had Jane Donahan the 

840
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,440
same. 
You've got Jerry Waters across 

841
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,280
the Irish Sea. 
He's suspended for being, you 

842
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,400
know, a conscientious objector 
to jabbing people with an 

843
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,600
experimental shop. 
I just spoke to a guy last 

844
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,080
night. 
His name is Charles Hoff. 

845
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,720
He's a Canadian doctor. 
He's going through, he's going 

846
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,360
through the court system. 
He's been, you know, taken to 

847
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:09,000
court by his licensing board for
simply objecting to giving the 

848
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,680
experimental shot to someone who
had COVID had an adverse 

849
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,400
reaction to the first shot and 
said second time around, maybe 

850
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,720
it's not in your interest, don't
take it. 

851
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,040
And said, oh, I'm seeing a large
number of neurological 

852
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,520
complications. 
And the Canadian licensing board

853
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,680
has said, right, we're going to 
suspend you and we're going to 

854
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,200
take you to court. 
I mean, this is what doctors are

855
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,440
facing. 
So yes, I agree the public is, 

856
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,000
you know, angry, particularly in
our camp. 

857
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,280
But why have doctors not spoken 
out? 

858
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,400
The reality is, when you do, you
get crucified by the system, by 

859
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,800
the institutions that are meant 
to be there to protect the 

860
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,400
patient, the public. 
These are now all captured. 

861
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,120
They're all government 
instruments who are working at 

862
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,920
the behest of corporations and 
they will make sure they punish 

863
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,520
and destroy any Doctor Who's a 
dissident, so. 

864
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:01,240
You're sorry, can I? 
Yeah. 

865
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:05,040
Can I just interrupt and ask you
a question here because you know

866
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,920
you've let you've listed half a 
dozen names there And of course 

867
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,880
another name would be Meryl Nas 
who also got struck off in the 

868
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,120
United States for for also using
that horse, Dewormer Wink, Wink 

869
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,000
that you were talking about. 
So you know, but we're talking 

870
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:24,080
about a handful of people. 
What is your understanding of 

871
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,120
the sort of the thoughts of 
people within the within the 

872
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,560
business? 
Are those people a fraction of 

873
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,440
the people that actually would 
hold the same views, or or are 

874
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,480
those really the limit of the 
people that that hold those 

875
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,640
views? 
I think it's like any other 

876
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,360
profession. 
Mean and the vast majority, it's

877
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,040
like the it's just just draw a 
sample of the population. 

878
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,680
It's the exact same as that. 
See people want to put doctors 

879
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,680
on a pedestal that needs to 
stop. 

880
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,840
We're no different from lawyers.
Joe Public or I think, you know 

881
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,560
80% of people are in. 
Totally indoctrinated and 

882
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,680
brainwashed. 
Believe in everything they say. 

883
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,360
We'll do whatever it takes to 
have a quiet life, easy life, 

884
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,000
have no discomfort, be numbed. 
And, you know, brainwashed, 

885
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:14,560
zombified, you've got a 15%, 
maybe 18% of people who who know

886
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,240
something's wrong, want to 
support people, want to do 

887
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,760
something, but are scared to put
their head above the power pit 

888
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:21,880
because they'll get chopped 
down. 

889
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,040
And then you got one or two 
percent who, like Ed Griffin has

890
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,600
said, have got the crusader gene
who are like, to hell with it. 

891
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:29,280
I don't care if you kill me 
tomorrow. 

892
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,720
I don't care if I've got a 
mortgage and three young kids. 

893
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,400
I need to do something for 
humanity and I need to fight 

894
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,480
these evil people. 
I'm trying my very best not to 

895
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,120
swear, but it's difficult being 
a glass region anyway. 

896
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,160
So you know, that is the 
situation that we're faced in. 

897
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,520
I mean, I would actually correct
myself. 

898
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,200
I think professionals are more 
indoctrinated and brainwashed 

899
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,760
and prone to virtue signalling 
and have hubris and arrogance 

900
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,800
compared to, you know, the the 
working class people. 

901
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,440
I think that's what made me a 
little bit more immune as well 

902
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,240
because I'm working class 
through and through. 

903
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,920
We smell the BS and, you know, 
we have a a natural distrust of 

904
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,720
authority. 
They've never done us any 

905
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:10,320
favours. 
And I think that's what it's all

906
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,960
about. 
Unfortunately, I know of lots of

907
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,000
doctors who agree with what I 
say but are too scared. 

908
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,040
They are too scared. 
And you know, I hear all the 

909
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,360
time, you know, I was at a 
wedding. 

910
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,000
There's two doctors who said to 
me, oh, love your work, love 

911
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,440
your work. 
I I mean, I honestly thought 

912
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,240
they were going to ask for my 
autograph, at which point I 

913
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:28,480
would have vomited. 
But anyway, they they were like,

914
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,920
you know, we'd love to do what 
you're doing, but we can't 

915
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,560
because we we can't lose it all.
And I'm like, what? 

916
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,640
And I can. 
I'm in a position to lose it 

917
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,520
all. 
So I mean, as long as there's 

918
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,360
that mindset, then we've got 
problems. 

919
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,160
And you know, Ahmed, I just want
to interrupt you very quickly 

920
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,640
there because we are, we are 
running out of time because I 

921
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,720
want to just say to everybody 
that you have on that you've 

922
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:52,440
given up your career, you've 
given up your livelihood, and 

923
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,240
now you're making your mark as a
podcaster. 

924
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:58,280
And I just want to share with 
people where they can find you 

925
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,160
on Doc Malik, authentic 
conversations with fascinating 

926
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,840
people. 
And you've also got a sub stack 

927
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,200
too. 
So I just want to direct 

928
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,120
everybody to that because you 
have given up everything and I 

929
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,200
just want to thank you so much 
and hopefully you'll still be 

930
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,440
with us for extra. 
I know that you're a very, very 

931
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,520
busy person, but thank you so 
much for joining us today. 

932
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,440
Yes, thank you and hopefully you
will be back for extra. 

933
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,040
Now we're just going to end with
the Navalny, the Navalny 

934
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:31,560
situation and just bring this 
lady on screen, the wonderful 

935
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,160
Alicia Kearns, who was stating 
in parliament definitively 

936
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,240
Alexei Navalny was murdered. 
And it was. 

937
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,800
It is important we in this House
call call it out for what it was

938
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,600
because that's what he deserves,
she went on to say, following 

939
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,880
his murder. 
I was also in Munich where I 

940
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,520
heard his wife Yulia ask us to 
stand by her. 

941
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,760
That's what we must do. 
Now this was followed up and now

942
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,040
she of course, the chair of the 
foreign affairs Select 

943
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,480
Committee. 
But that comment was followed up

944
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,520
by Neil Doherty's foreign 
minister, junior foreign 

945
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,480
minister, and she, he said she 
is right to use the word murder.

946
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,520
We do seek to hold the state and
the Russian leadership to 

947
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,120
account. 
So as a result, the UK 

948
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:18,120
government has now applied some 
sanctions specifically on the 

949
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:23,720
head of the Arctic penal colony 
that he died in, plus five other

950
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,760
deputy heads. 
And so that's the UK's response.

951
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,520
Just before we came on air, 
actually, the US announced that 

952
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,280
it was going to be issuing 
massive sanctions on Russia over

953
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,040
this, I think 500 different 
people being sanctioned. 

954
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,560
But I just wanted to to look at 
what John Kirby said. 

955
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,400
So here he is and he said this. 
We would all love to know what 

956
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,360
happened here because of course,
at this point we still don't 

957
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,440
know exactly what he died of. 
Regardless of the actual 

958
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,760
scientific answer, Mr. Putin is 
responsible for it. 

959
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,520
So never mind the facts, don't 
worry about what actually 

960
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,920
happened. 
It's absolutely Putin that's 

961
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,720
responsible and nothing else to 
be said here. 

962
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,720
So then of course, this morning 
or yesterday, we had the video 

963
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,920
coming out from Navalny's mother
claiming that the Russians are 

964
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,240
refusing to allow her access or 
to to make a proper burial. 

965
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,760
Now, of course, the Russians are
hostage to fortune on this. 

966
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,680
If they allow the burial to be a
public event, it becomes a show,

967
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,720
a show burial, effectively a 
show funeral. 

968
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:34,080
Otherwise, they get continuing 
attacks from the West and so on 

969
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,800
about the way that they're 
treating the family. 

970
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,480
But I just want to remind 
everybody that this narrative 

971
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,400
has been building for so many 
years. 

972
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,080
We have the Integrity 
initiative. 

973
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,760
If you haven't read the articles
associated with this page on the

974
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,680
UK accounting website, please do
so. 

975
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,080
But also a related case, of 
course the Skripal case. 

976
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,560
And if again, if you haven't 
seen this article, the day of 

977
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,440
the Skripal, this basically is 
by Tim Norman. 

978
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,600
It basically goes through a 
timeline of all the main 

979
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:08,560
mainstream media reports. 
And it's it's a great highlight 

980
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,560
of all the inconsistencies in 
the story. 

981
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,280
And we must never forget with 
respect to Novichok in 

982
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,360
particular, because novelty, of 
course, the accusation was that 

983
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,720
Novichok was the reason for his 
death, but also that he had been

984
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,640
poisoned with Novichok a number 
of years ago. 

985
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,560
We must never forget that Dame 
Sally Davies, the the Chief 

986
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,080
Medical Officer at the time, 
claimed that the best way to 

987
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,640
deal with, if you suspected 
you'd come into contact with 

988
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,160
Novichok, it was to use baby 
wipes because that will solve 

989
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,880
the problem. 
So that's how seriously we 

990
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,720
should take that whole 
narrative, and I suspect this 

991
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,880
narrative as well. 
But we will talk more about that

992
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,720
in the coming days. 
Debbie, let's just end with one 

993
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,160
final slide. 
Yes, and look at this beautiful 

994
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,800
little face. 
And what a lovely message. 

995
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,000
And one that I think we should 
all hold fast. 

996
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,920
They want us to hate each other.
Don't let them win. 

997
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,840
Yes, indeed. 
A nice sentiment to end on. 

998
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,760
Thank you very much for 
everybody that's joined us today

999
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,640
and thanks to all our 
contributors today. 

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01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,800
We'll be back in a few minutes 
for some extra. 

1001
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,320
We will see you then if you're 
Auk column member. 

1002
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,680
Otherwise we'll see you at 1:00 
PM as usual on Monday. 

1003
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,520
Have a great weekend. 
Bye, bye.