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Hello and welcome to UK Column 
studio #2 So it's a great 

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pleasure to bring you into this 
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relatively recent edition for 
the UK Column. 

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And I'm delighted to be joined 
today by Gemma Cooper. 

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And Gemma and I are going to 
talk about festivals because UK 

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Column team have been to quite a
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We're delighted to get 
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all. 
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in as much as we've experienced,
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sunshine to some quite strong 
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nevertheless they're a a lovely 
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recently we went to Sounds 
Beautiful in Dorset. 

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What a location, Gemma. 
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stunning. 
I was really aware that Sounds 

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beautiful was in its kind of 
first inception at that location

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last year and how successful it 
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And I thought and everyone was 
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thought, well, you know, there's
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festivals now. 
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We all need them. 
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I was like, oh wow, it really 
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such a lovely place for like 
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relax, be away from the matrix, 
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minded people. 
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heart didn't see, no phones. 
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place to be away from, from the 
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it, you know, it was great. 
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increasingly mad world. 
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the festivals is that you can 
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that's there, you can chat to 
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There are serious conversations,
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there are personal 
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talking and interacting. 
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the clips, somebody is sort of 
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like this all the time? 
Isn't it So wonderful events? 

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And we are very grateful to the 
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putting on that event in Dorset.
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some film footage, which is 
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going to share with our viewers 
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But tell us a little bit about 
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little film and who did you have
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Well, I was really lucky I had 
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Matrix, who's getting a huge 
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channel for the work he's been 
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He's self taught and taught 
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use it. 
Then he's become a, a brilliant 

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cameraman and, and shoot edit. 
He's really good. 

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And he was, and I said, do you 
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You know, of, of, of sounds 
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my background. 
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journalist and reporter, as it 
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And he said, yeah, he jumped at 
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something for the columns. 
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and we just tried to really 
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was and, and the vibe, you know,
which is quite difficult to do 

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through a screen, you know, 
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But you know, we'll leave it to 
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But I think we, I think we did a
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We tried to capture the music, 
the atmosphere, of course UK 

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columns place in the festival 
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do. 
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which was, you know, take over 
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couple of hours on the on the 
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And we just went off and had a 
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really friendly and it was 
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Yeah, it was a lovely thing. 
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career in the Broken Biscuit 
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like that, you know, it wasn't 
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It was, you know, and often 
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agenda, even if that one was in 
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you were working. 
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going to have an agenda. 
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We're going to see what happens.
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curate it. 
We're just going to capture it. 

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So yeah. 
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And what was your description of
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The Bad Biscuit. 
The broke slang, isn't it? 

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There are many anachronisms now 
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The most polite one you're 
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Biscuit Company. 
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they're not for broadcast. 
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people who who who watch this 
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that's the background that 
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So, yeah, fascinating. 
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your cameraman a special mention
because he's, he's pretty unique

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in that he's, he was Royal Navy 
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that time doing some, you know, 
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So credit where it's due. 
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I mean, it's just like, yeah, 
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military and then fire service. 
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interviews himself. 
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public domain. 
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see through it straight away, 
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And and he'd seen agendas 
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service. 
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about this before. 
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thought, right, I can't, I can't
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Can't live while everyone's 
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did his own thing. 
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with it. 
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out of trauma and tribulations 
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through, how many people are now
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Yeah. 
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Well, let's share your video 
production with the audience and

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then we'll come back on screen 
and we'll have a little chat. 

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In a field in Dorset, the 
Freedom Community gathered truth

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seekers from all over the UK at 
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together for a weekend of 
revelry and relaxation with like

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minded people. 
While the mainstream juggernaut 

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of Glastonbury Festival was 
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here was an entirely different 
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People defying the 
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People living in the moment, not
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After the tremendous success of 
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organisers Wendy and Steve 
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decided to do it all again. 
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be able to do it, but then you, 
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then you, you forget. 
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and go. 
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We did it and then you forget 
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that year in between, really, 
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all again well. 
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it all again? 
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See. 
I'm I'm up for it. 

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Some of the biggest performers 
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community were here. 
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it's possible to build systems 
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And of course, there was UK 
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People came in to meet the team,
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The highlight of the weekend was
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in front of the live festival 
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It wasn't a word so an idiot can
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Very good presentation. 
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sense as far as I'm concerned. 
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hear in a very kind of 
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way because we can get. 
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and we need to understand the 
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Made me feel I've got a 
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I can be part of and we're not, 
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different lines, we all. 
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so difficult sometimes that even
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five years, there's there's 
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a few of us to see through that?
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UK column, especially stepping 
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we're kind of all on the same 
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I was very impressed with the 
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had and it's certainly given me 
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crap about everything. 
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presentation, in fact I'm going 
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I've only seen snippets of it 
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researched and I liked all the 
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it user friendly. 11:00 The 
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I was like, that's a bum deal. 
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further on in the afternoon when
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rammed, isn't it? 
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column crowd are very loyal and 
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passionate and I think they they
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a lot of love, they could feel a
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You know, a lot of support. 
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as usual. 
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column for many years. 
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time, always relevant, which I 
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They they raise questions that 
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The UK column team did not stop 
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New friends were made and old 
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Events like this important for 
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Everybody here so far has been 
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They want to know what's going 
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So to see that marquee full of 
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news was utterly brilliant. 
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obvious by their demeanour that 
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delivered the news. 
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wonderful. 
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reaching people and they, they 
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us, you know, for real instead 
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And I think that's really 
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come out and do these events 
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I've had loads of people come up
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and have a chat and it's, it's 
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know, we did have a pack tent 
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It's really it's, it's really 
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There's a new audience has come 
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you know, so some people that 
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this year a miss. 
They'll come back next year, but

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So you know, this has got to be 
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out and talk to people wherever 
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And I think this place is I'm, 
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countryside lover, but but to be
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should and then to stick people 
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certainly not of the same mind, 
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dull. 
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all the rest of it, it's just, 
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A lot of people would say, even 
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well, this is great. 
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You know, it's just the, it's 
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freedom community or whatever 
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So I would, I would reframe that
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It's more like a team. 
This is like a team meeting. 

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Soon it will be back to the 
studio and office for the UK 

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Column team, but the memories of
this weekend will be with us for

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a very long time. 
Gemma Cooper with Steve James, 

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cameraman for UK Column in 
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There we are wonderful little 
clip and I'm going to say Gemma,

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a huge thank you for you putting
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advert and a a promotion for 
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also for the UK column. 
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head, I want to say I I really 
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peaceful scenery and that's what
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it's run by this amazing man. 
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weekend, but I thought it's it 
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that they kind of agree with the
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whose philosophy they agree with
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alternative workshops and events
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technology when the irony is 
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feeling their intention and then
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bands, you know, and. 
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We're very pleased if you do. 
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want to say it really tremendous
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able to meet people who've given
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It was, and what I thought, and 
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volumes. 
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Look how people behave, not what
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support that the column has got 
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people have for for us and what 
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to think, are people still 
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Do they do they like what we do?
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yes, which is great. 
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rightly say, the column has been
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same reaction wherever you've 
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It's true. 

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driving somewhere and somebody 
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you are Brian Garish, Mike 
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column news is recognised as 
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now to an extent that it gives 
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reaching audience because a lot 
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the UK column audience? 
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to tell because we've been so 
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country and somebody stranger 
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says I know who you are, and I 
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that's really quite something. 
Unless it's 77th Brigade, I know

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who you are and I watch the 
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deep stuff. 
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people who were at the at the 
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it very casual, very relaxed. 
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up of a camera and a microphone 
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in the UK column tent. 
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these are two people who were 
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column and why they're 
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And you and I, we're going to 
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again, we'll comment on them, 
but just absolutely lovely to 

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sit and have those large, well, 
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conversations and learn what 
makes people tick. 

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Absolutely. 
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the first clip we're about to 
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people to the column and I think
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I think the first interview will
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they found the column. 
Indeed. 

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So we'll show the first one, 
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lady called Mary. 
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because I found A very amusing. 
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So let's see Mary in action. 
Mary, thank you very much for 

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joining me. 
Here we are in the UK content, 

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as I'm sure everybody can see 
from our backdrop and the 

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banners that are around us 
today, we're all made by a very 

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keen supporter, Jenny, who we're
very grateful to. 

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Mary, you wandered in a few 
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little bit of a chat about what 
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things, and then I had the 
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So you're Mary? 
Mary. 

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How long have you supported the 
common? 

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Since the lockdown, actually I 
was going quite insane. 

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A girlfriend, a friend of a 
friend actually phoned me and 

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said how's it going? 
And I said not terribly well. 

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I resigned from my post with 
Cranston. 

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I hope they don't mind me 
mentioning that. 

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But big or huge organisation? 
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was that? 
Drug and alcohol treatment. 

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They, they had a detox in city 
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really, that sadly that's 
closed. 

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In fact, there isn't a detox in 
London anymore. 

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Brian. 
Yeah, and they had dry houses, 

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supporting houses, rehabs, you 
know, it was a very big 

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organisation, which baffles me 
as something can be charitable 

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organisation and profit making. 
That never makes any sense to 

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me, but mine isn't the reason 
why. 

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Anyway, I resigned at the end of
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to have Christmas with my son 
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to Southern Asia to visit my 
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She was in Chiang Mai. 
I've been to Thailand, but I 

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haven't seen Chiang Mai. 
She was working in a rehab. 

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I started hearing about this 
COVID-19, didn't take much 

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notice. 
I did have a concern. 

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Supposedly it started in China. 
She's in, she's in Thailand. 

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She's surrounded by it if it 
exists. 

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But yeah, I, I kind of ignored 
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All of a sudden they started 
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flights and etcetera, etcetera. 
So I thought, OK, that's that 

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plan out the window. 
I'm really quite highly 

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qualified 20 years in in that 
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volunteering. 
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nothing, just absolutely 
nothing. 

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There was no support for people 
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It was a very, very sad 
situation. 

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A lot of people died from the 
lockdown. 

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I've got first hand experience 
of that. 

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Anyway, time's going on. 
I'm trying to violence anything,

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anything, food banks, absolutely
anything. 

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St Mango's, you know, Turning 
Point, absolutely anything. 

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Nothing was happening and I just
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Nothing made sense. 
You know, they say that it's a 

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very small thing that triggers 
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My brother and I were trying to 
play tennis to stay sane and 

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they locked the tennis courts. 
So we took the padlocks off. 

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So they took away the Nets. 
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you can't play tennis without 
social distancing. 

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Even if you're playing mixed up 
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net and one on the base. 
Similar. 

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Everything that they was telling
us to do was absolutely contrary

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to staying healthy. 
No sunshine, no vitamin D, no 

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exercise, no no mixing with it 
was just crazy. 

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A friend of a friend, I was very
lucky, phoned me. 

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How you doing? 
Not terribly well, she said. 

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You've got to go on one of the 
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like minded people or you will 
go and sing you. 

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You've got to come on one of the
marches and that's and I went on

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the March and then I got the 
Light newspaper. 

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From The Light newspaper I 
discovered UK Column Radio. 

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That's lovely, yeah. 
Yeah, and that was, that was how

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it went on. 
I, I then fortunately A fellow 

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phoned me and and said how's it 
going? 

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No, not terribly well. 
And I got a job, I got a job 

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with their Hep C trust and I was
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whole nother story, Brian. 
So you saw things, you started 

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to see things from the inside, 
from the. 

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Unbelievable, absolutely 
unbelievable. 

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We're we're all working for big 
pharma. 

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NHS is a logo now and, and it's 
really sad what's going on. 

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It's just absolutely 
unbelievable Brian, it's our 

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money. 
It's just unbelievable. 

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And I was fed up with driving an
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year. 
I decided to retire because, you

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know, you start to get a feeling
that you're complicit in this 

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and it's not a very good 
feeling. 

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You know, the whole situation 
has been absurd. 

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It's not gone away. 
You can't speak. 

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You can't say what you think. 
It's whisper, whisper. 

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If your views get known, it's 
going to cost you your job. 

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But I've got colleagues that 
used to say to me, if these 

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people really know what knew 
what I really think, Mary, are 

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to lose my job. 
Yeah, you would definitely. 

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Yeah. 
He's to say, you know, the only 

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advantage that we have is we've 
got an S&M situation and we know

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exactly who they are and they 
don't know. 

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Yeah, there's a really 
interesting point, isn't it? 

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We got to the stage where just 
for speaking your own mind, not 

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not even being rude or 
aggressive, but if you speak 

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your own mind on certain 
policies, you are at risk of 

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losing your job. 
And that is a major change in, 

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in this in this country. 
The whole morality of this 

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country has changed dramatically
and it's certainly in the last 

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20 years, I think. 
So you discover the UK column. 

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I'm keen that we can just put a 
little bit back to our audience.

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What? 
What? 

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What did the column give you or 
what did you you've joined US1 

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Yeah. 
Why? 

449
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,480
Why did you decide to support us
and become a proper member? 

450
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,560
Well, you can't listen to the 
BBC. 

451
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,760
Well, you can if you don't lose 
your sense of humour. 

452
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,920
Yeah, it's, it's most 
entertaining when you can see 

453
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:09,560
right through it. 
The UK column alleviated some of

454
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,080
the isolation. 
When you think, when you think 

455
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,840
you're the only person who 
thinks the way you do. 

456
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,200
It's a bit like waking up in the
Matrix. 

457
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,600
It's, it's isolating. 
It's frightening. 

458
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,240
You know, I've, I've, I've got 
children that sometimes listen 

459
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,800
to them and think, well, how did
they get brainwashed? 

460
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,240
They've got me as a mother. 
How did they get so brainwashed 

461
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,960
and. 
Give you the answer to that. 

462
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:41,320
It's news on the hour, every 
hour, which of course is the BBC

463
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,080
mantra. 
And I can remember when he was 

464
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,800
alive, my father saying to me 
one day, why do we need the news

465
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,080
every hour? 
And of course the answer I 

466
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,640
should have given him at that 
time is because Dad, they are 

467
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,160
drunk trying to brainwash us and
they need to drill it in every 

468
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,840
every hour. 
They've been extremely 

469
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,600
successful. 
Yeah, there's no two ways about 

470
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,280
that. 
And you know, I do say to 

471
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,480
people, I don't watch. 
I don't, I don't, I try not to 

472
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,520
read any, you know, mainstream 
media at all. 

473
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,320
Although I do like the Daily 
Mail. 

474
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,920
He Little John still makes me 
laugh. 

475
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,000
Although there was a time when 
my sense of humour went, went 

476
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,760
out with Little John. 
Richard. 

477
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,640
Little John's amazing. 
But, you know, it got to the 

478
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,240
point where when something so 
real, it ceases to be funny, 

479
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,720
although most of the time when 
you know, this, this couldn't 

480
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,960
make it up is good. 
And I think Peter Hitchens is an

481
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:47,800
amazing journalist. 
So I do, I do, but and and it 

482
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,960
makes good. 
I've got a real fire. 

483
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:56,600
So it's antsy for the fire. 
But the BBC just just, it's, 

484
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,240
it's absurd, outrageous. 
I use the word outrageous 

485
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,120
because every time I'm hearing 
reports from them, it is so 

486
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:11,120
biassed, it's so manufactured. 
So I, I, I do, I do hear a 

487
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:15,720
little bit of BBC, usually the 
radio, but I can't tolerate that

488
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,320
Mike Robinson will listen to it 
because he says I listen to it 

489
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,680
and find out what they're saying
and doing. 

490
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,880
But I actually find I'm going to
say it makes me feel ill. 

491
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:32,000
I, I go into a hotel now and you
know, inevitably in the, in the 

492
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,440
main room or the bar area, 
there's a big TV screen and you 

493
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,120
can't even relax in that sort of
environment without the BB CS 

494
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,800
news appearing on a vast TV 
screen. 

495
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,200
It's it's outrageous. 
And did you know when I first 

496
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,280
joined UK Column News? 
Because I was a bit 

497
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,760
apprehensive. 
I'm not the most techie savvy 

498
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,240
person in the world. 
It's not my generation. 

499
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,680
And I tried to pay through 
PayPal, right, and it stopped. 

500
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,120
Yeah, they cut off the payment. 
Well, this is something which 

501
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,480
does happen to our members and, 
and it's it can be very 

502
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,160
frustrating, particularly for 
Mike who sorts a lot of this 

503
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,600
stuff out. 
But yeah, people are having all 

504
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,960
sorts of problems and it's 
nothing to do with us. 

505
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,520
It it just happens. 
And you say, is it is it 

506
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,000
accidental or is it is 
deliberate? 

507
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,440
We don't know. 
But you're not the only one that

508
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,560
that it happens to is is very 
strange situation. 

509
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,160
Yeah. 
Just a few minutes ago, you you 

510
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,960
said to me that we'd kept you 
sane during that period of the 

511
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,040
lockdown period. 
And I said to you that this was 

512
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,120
something that from time to time
people do tell us in the column.

513
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,680
And the last time we've been to 
events like this, camping and 

514
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,560
and music and socialising, 
people come into the little UK 

515
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:57,120
column shop tent and they often 
say, can I have a hug? 

516
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,560
And when they've had their hug, 
they say, you kept me sane. 

517
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,640
And some of them were clearly in
a really bad position. 

518
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,040
Yeah. 
And we did something during that

519
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,320
COVID time that resonated with 
people. 

520
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,360
So it's definitely. 
I'm glad you found us. 

521
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,040
Me too. 
Yeah, me so. 

522
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,960
Last couple, couple of comments 
just on the event here, which 

523
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,120
sounds beautiful. 
So have you been to one of these

524
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,600
things before? 
Never. 

525
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,960
So what made you come to this 
one? 

526
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,360
I wanted to meet you, Brian, to 
be honest. 

527
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,920
So now everybody's going to 
think that this was a, a 

528
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,080
planned, excuse me, a planned 
interview. 

529
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,000
Well, I'm afraid it was on my 
part. 

530
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,760
Yeah, OK. 
It was orchestrated on my part. 

531
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,480
I just wanted to see the UK 
column team. 

532
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,240
I just wanted to to meet the 
people. 

533
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,840
People don't look the same on a 
on a plastic screen and I'm not.

534
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,720
At times I've thought I did 
actually email you and you 

535
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:02,080
emailed me back immediately. 
It's so impressive because the 

536
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,960
event was kind of advertised a 
few months ago and then it went 

537
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,600
quiet. 
I didn't hear anything and I was

538
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,400
thinking where did they say? 
I'm sure they said in Dorset. 

539
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,640
I can't remember the dates. 
I wonder where it, I don't know 

540
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,560
where Wimborne is. 
So I just emailed you and you 

541
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,080
emailed back the flyer and. 
You're here, Yeah. 

542
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,200
And then you said to me, Brian, 
are you camping? 

543
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,000
And I said, of course, because 
this is what it's all about. 

544
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,800
And then you said you were 
staying in at. 

545
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,920
Don't say where, but you're 
staying in a farm. 

546
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,360
Yes, yes, and and very lovely is
too. 

547
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,800
Absolutely delightful. 
I'm sure that has a proper bed, 

548
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,400
yes, And carpets. 
It does indeed. 

549
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,320
And a shower. 
I I have a log cabin. 

550
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,800
Oh, really? 
I really do. 

551
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,600
Yeah. 
It's really delightful. 

552
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,920
Well, I'm going to say the UK 
common team are camping. 

553
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,280
We we've got two big tents we 
can stand up in, which is great.

554
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:02,080
And we've got some smaller, some
smaller tents, but we're, we're 

555
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,240
doing the full thing which is 
camping. 

556
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,640
So there we are. 
But you're only a youngster, of 

557
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,560
course. 
I do actually have all the 

558
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,160
equipment. 
I've got blow up beds and all of

559
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,040
the equipment. 
If my daughter would have been 

560
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,680
with me then I may have done 
that because there's two of us 

561
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,920
doing things. 
But you know, I thought it's 

562
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,000
something I've always wanted to 
do. 

563
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,560
I agree that it's Glastonbury 
for people with a brain, you 

564
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,720
know, it's and and and why ever 
not it's you know. 

565
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,720
It's fun, isn't it? 
Absolutely. 

566
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,840
And the fact you can talk to 
people on serious subjects, you 

567
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,640
can talk to people on normal 
innocent family stuff and you 

568
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,480
can, there's always a lot of 
laughing and joking and the, the

569
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,720
music and it's, it's a nice 
atmosphere. 

570
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,600
There has to be the only thing 
that counteracts fear is is 

571
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,200
humour. 
You know, as soon as you start 

572
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,680
laughing at things, it it 
dissipates. 

573
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,000
When I'm speaking to my daughter
Harriet, we were speaking the 

574
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,640
other day about the, the, the 
fellow who went around Barnard 

575
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,560
Castle, what was his name? 
And I was, I was mimicking the 

576
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,720
conversation that must have gone
on. 

577
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,880
You know, just go out there and 
speak to the press, say anything

578
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,720
you know, ad Lib, make it up as 
you got say you was testing your

579
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,520
eyesight. 
Why not? 

580
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,920
That's a good. 
And as soon as she starts 

581
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,880
laughing, she sees it. 
Humour tends to cut through. 

582
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,960
Yeah. 
Fear, and you know, it just 

583
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,120
works. 
What a brilliant place to end. 

584
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,440
Yeah, what a brilliant place to 
end. 

585
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,960
Mary, thank you very much for 
sitting down and chatting to me.

586
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,680
And a huge thank you for your 
support for the UK column 

587
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,080
because it's it's really 
appreciated. 

588
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,360
It's you guys that keep us 
going. 

589
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,760
And next year is 20 years for 
the UK column. 

590
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,640
And we could only have done it 
with all the support for our 

591
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,320
members and people who make 
donations. 

592
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,440
So that's wonderful. 
Doing the most amazing job. 

593
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,120
Brilliant. 
Thank you. 

594
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,320
Well, there we are. 
What did you think of that, 

595
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,320
Gemma? 
I thought it was absolutely 

596
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:18,159
exceptional and and it was a 
real reminder, you know, of what

597
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,760
we went through, you know, 
talking about playing tennis. 

598
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,400
And they put the padlock on the 
gate. 

599
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,320
In lockdown. 
Yeah, in lockdown. 

600
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,560
And that so many people found 
the column in lockdown, 

601
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,000
desperate at home. 
Am I the only one that can see 

602
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,159
that there's something not right
with this? 

603
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:33,520
Am I the only one who thinks 
this way? 

604
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,360
No, there's millions of us, 
billions probably. 

605
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,360
And so finding us at such a 
desperate time. 

606
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,639
But at what? 
When Mary was talking there, you

607
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,800
know, that they paddled the gate
of the tennis court and then 

608
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,400
they took the net down. 
You know, the, the weird cruelty

609
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,080
and the brainwashing and the gas
lighting and the, and the and 

610
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,040
the messaging. 
I thought, yeah, it's really 

611
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,160
easy for us to forget what we 
went through. 

612
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,280
But we went through it. 
And even now, I think in the 

613
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,800
alternative movement, freedom 
movement, there's a kind of 

614
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,920
willingness to put it all behind
us. 

615
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,760
But we can never forget it. 
And. 

616
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,560
And it did. 
It did bring people to us. 

617
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,040
And clearly, clearly we were. 
Yeah. 

618
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,720
And clearly we were a help. 
We were a help to those people. 

619
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:19,680
And, and Mary was really great 
and saying how she was doing 

620
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,480
badly and how we helped her. 
And I've heard that a lot since 

621
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,400
I've been working for the 
column. 

622
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,480
I've heard that so much about 
how the column literally saved 

623
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,400
people's lives and saved 
people's sanity. 

624
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,920
And she's clearly bounced back 
from the trauma. 

625
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Well, I. 
I, I, well, she was delightful 

626
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,400
to talk to and, and interview 
and she did make me smile when 

627
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,960
she said, well, I, I went out to
play tennis and then the found 

628
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,920
they padlocked the gates and we 
got rid of the padlocks and then

629
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,320
they took the net away. 
And then she makes that 

630
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,360
wonderful comment about you 
can't get more socially 

631
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,240
distanced than you need to be to
play a game of tennis, which I 

632
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:01,840
thought was absolutely on the 
button. 

633
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,920
An interesting mixture in there,
isn't it? 

634
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,680
Because there was a lot of 
humorous stuff, but also some 

635
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,400
really, you know, serious stuff,
not only about the impact of of 

636
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:17,240
COVID on on Mary and her her 
family and friends, but she was 

637
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:22,320
also started talking about, you 
know, what she sees happening in

638
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,360
society. 
And she mentioned that that she 

639
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,240
had been working for a drug and 
alcohol rehabilitation centre 

640
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,880
and she'd had enough of that 
basically and stopped. 

641
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,080
But then she makes that little 
remark and there isn't one now 

642
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,080
in London. 
And you think, you think massive

643
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,440
city, super city, London with a 
lot of problems, a lot of poor 

644
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,960
people, a lot of people with 
really serious issues, and this 

645
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,280
sort of facility is no longer 
available. 

646
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,320
This is an increasingly cruel 
world, isn't it? 

647
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,320
I, I, I couldn't believe that 
fact, you know, you know, no 

648
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,000
drug and alcohol detox. 
There was a detox centre she 

649
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,680
specifically referred to, wasn't
it, if I'm not mistaken? 

650
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,640
And I, my immediately thought 
was, you know, you just said 

651
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,280
it's a cruel world. 
I thought, is that deliberate? 

652
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,680
Is that a deliberate, you know, 
taking money away from mental 

653
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,240
health taking, which is 
definitely happening, and taking

654
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:22,920
money away from addiction 
treatment. 

655
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,600
And addiction has a very 
spiritual dimension to it. 

656
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,240
You know, people call it a 
spiritual illness. 

657
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,080
So instead of rehabilitating 
people and their souls and their

658
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,200
spirits, let's just take all 
that away and let them suffer, 

659
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,800
you know, and look at 2020, how 
they made us suffer. 

660
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,560
And you do rather wonder. 
Whether a malicious mind thought

661
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,240
up the policy to take it away, 
Well, I I don't have any trouble

662
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:48,040
with this because I do believe 
we're facing policies created by

663
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,840
malicious people. 
I think this is the reality, but

664
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,680
it's interesting, isn't it, 
Gemma, because we're we're 

665
00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,640
meandering around in our 
reminiscences of of the sounds 

666
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,280
beautiful festival. 
But look where the conversation 

667
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,640
is is gone. 
So we've we've gone from 

668
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,120
humorous things and the beauty 
of the setting through to quite,

669
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,800
quite a serious topic here. 
And this is really a little 

670
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,160
snapshot, isn't it, of what 
happens at the festival. 

671
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,720
The people are there. 
They're there to listen to 

672
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:25,600
music, to relax, to be there a 
lot of children, you know, just 

673
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,680
people relaxing and having a 
good time. 

674
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,920
And then in amongst it you've 
got conversations which could be

675
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,680
just normal social conversations
or much deeper subjects. 

676
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,880
And I can't remember who said 
it, but I definitely overheard 

677
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,880
somebody talking about the fact 
that these sorts of festivals 

678
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,800
where there's also speakers 
alongside the music and the 

679
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,400
shops are, are the thinking 
persons Glastonbury. 

680
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,240
And I thought that's a pretty 
accurate description, isn't it? 

681
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:04,080
So, and we've reflected that 
we're we're thinking back to a 

682
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,560
music camping festival. 
But out of that came some pretty

683
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,720
serious and important topics. 
Oh, very much so, yeah. 

684
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:15,480
Because you know that the tent 
was thought on the first day as 

685
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,720
soon as people saw our tent, not
the talk tent we were in on the 

686
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,160
Sunday, but the UK column tent 
went up and the UK column flags 

687
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,000
went up. 
We were just inundated with 

688
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,680
people coming in wanting to 
tell, you know, tell you 

689
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,920
especially about things and 
corruption and but for their own

690
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,760
lives, you know, lived 
experience, not some crazy out 

691
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,400
there theory, but lived 
experience. 

692
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,560
And they would flocking in and 
and wanting to speak and but I 

693
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,920
think it's because people were 
relaxed and felt safe. 

694
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,200
They were an environment where 
they felt safe to do that 

695
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,720
without fear of like who's 
listening or is this 

696
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:50,080
conversation on online being 
recorded or anything like that. 

697
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,400
It was a safe environment and 
they trusted us. 

698
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,720
They trusted the column and our 
longevity. 

699
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,760
So yeah, that's what being an 
outside I think and with like 

700
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,080
minded people does You you can 
become authentic and the 

701
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,560
festivals and. 
Moe sounds beautiful and of 

702
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,320
course we're off to hope in a 
few weeks. 

703
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,640
Hope Sussex. 
And you know, we're going to, we

704
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,600
plan on being out and about as 
much as we can to just try and 

705
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,520
reassure people and, and hear 
them, listen to their. 

706
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,480
Stories and to get out there and
and mix with people. 

707
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:24,080
This this is absolutely true. 
I did 3 of the serious 

708
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:30,520
interviews which will be 
available on the festival page 

709
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,240
on the UK column website. 
So one was on the topic of 

710
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,880
agraphonics, which is basically 
people have heard about growing 

711
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,920
in in a water based medium. 
This is this is growing crops 

712
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,000
together in a specialised way 
but with very high yield. 

713
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,640
So I had a very interesting 
discussion about that. 

714
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,680
I also talked to another 
gentleman who's intermediary 

715
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,360
himself and that was very 
interesting to be able to chat 

716
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,880
and find out what somebody else 
has been doing. 

717
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,280
And then out of the blue, I also
had a conversation with a guy 

718
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:16,360
which was about the the true 
child abuse saga in in Belgium. 

719
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,400
And that was a fascinating 
interview. 

720
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,320
But I'm going to say I was 
slightly taken aback that that 

721
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,560
subject came into the UK column 
tent. 

722
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,960
And and it came into the tent 
because we had another person 

723
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,480
that had found the UK column 
wanted to come and meet us and 

724
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,920
wanted to tell us about the 
amazing research work they've 

725
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,320
done around that very, very dark
story. 

726
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:48,920
So whole mix of things going on 
at this event and we've we've 

727
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,400
done our best to capture those. 
But we thought today the way to 

728
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,720
end was to do the short clip 
with Jenny, who's been a 

729
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,360
supporter of the UK column for a
very long time. 

730
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,280
She's very lively, very bouncy, 
done lots of good work for us in

731
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,960
producing banners and helping in
a whole heap of other ways. 

732
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,920
So it was lovely to to see Jenny
there and also to be able to sit

733
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,440
down and do a little interview 
with her. 

734
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,240
I think you'll enjoy it. 
I had a lot of fun. 

735
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,240
Let's have a look, Jenny or 
Jennifer. 

736
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:27,960
Jenny, you've got to be really 
careful with shortening people's

737
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,440
names or lengthening them 
because it can go either way 

738
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,800
against you. 
So I know, I know a certain lady

739
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,280
who's been Jillian, but that was
always how she was addressed by 

740
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,920
her parents, possibly in a 
little bit of a stern way. 

741
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,120
So then there's Jill and then 
there's people who are called 

742
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,160
Michael, but then call them 
Mike. 

743
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,440
But you're Jenny, I'm Jenny. 
Brilliant. 

744
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,440
So let's just let's describe the
scene. 

745
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,800
We are here in the remnants of 
the UK column, Marquis. 

746
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,040
The walls have all been taken 
down. 

747
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,320
So hence the backdrop is is the 
fields or the H into the next 

748
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,240
field? 
A lot of stuff being packed up, 

749
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,400
a lot of conversations going on 
and I promised you we'd do a 

750
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,800
little interview about you. 
We know you as the sign lady. 

751
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,400
Tell tell us about the signs you
have created from UK column. 

752
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,080
OK, right. 
I I've had my own business since

753
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,680
I was 19 and I first started, I 
went to clubs and I noticed 

754
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,520
there was no backdrops. 
So when I was 19, I started 

755
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,000
painting them and I started 
hiring them out and then I put 

756
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,760
on nights and I also did my own 
backdrops for nights and I did 

757
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,840
weddings as well because that 
was quite well paid. 

758
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,880
And then about 3-2 years ago, I 
went to the first Freedom 

759
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,160
Festival. 
I loved it. 

760
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,080
So I now do the backdrops for 
the Freedom Festival and some 

761
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,080
other festivals as. 
Well, right and you should have 

762
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,120
a backdrop of Jenny's banners. 
They were here. 

763
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:08,160
They've now disappeared. 
But when our viewers listeners 

764
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,720
have a look at some of the other
interviews that we've done over 

765
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:14,640
this weekend, I am sat against 
the back problem, some of 

766
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,160
Jenny's banners. 
So that's lovely. 

767
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,840
As we've already said it to you 
all say again, thank you very 

768
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,840
much for doing that it. 
Was a pleasure doing them. 

769
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:26,080
Good. 
How long have you known the UK 

770
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,600
column? 
Quite a few years since 2019. 

771
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,600
So yeah, quite a few years. 
How did you first come into 

772
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,360
contact? 
With my friend, I went to India 

773
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,680
with a good friend of mine 
called Nick, and he was talking 

774
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,800
about you guys all the time. 
So I spent about six months in 

775
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,560
India. 
Then as soon as I got back to 

776
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,880
the UKI Googled you and, and 
ever since I've been watching 

777
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,600
you and I kind of knew about you
anyway because you do a lot of 

778
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,080
YouTube videos years ago. 
So I was watching them as well. 

779
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,560
And and then I'll make you face 
to face at the Freedom Freedom 

780
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,520
Festivals. 
Yeah, well, you were really nice

781
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,800
because I you came up and you 
wanted a selfie. 

782
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,280
That's right, yes. 
In fact, if I remember 

783
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,040
correctly, because the weather 
wasn't as nice as it is here and

784
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,200
you had an umbrella on my head. 
I did. 

785
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,200
That wasn't me, yes. 
Maybe we'll have to. 

786
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,360
We'll be able to look for that 
little photograph again 

787
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,760
actually, because it I'll put it
on there instead of usually, 

788
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,960
yeah. 
It was a good photo. 

789
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,000
I've actually got it on my 
Facebook page as well. 

790
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,800
OK, so what's your take on the 
Sounds Beautiful Festival? 

791
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,960
I. 
Went last year and I was so 

792
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,120
impressed with it. 
I just went as a friend, you 

793
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,840
know, and just went with a 
couple of friends and I was so 

794
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,400
impressed with it. 
When I got back to my house I 

795
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,640
ordered some more tickets 
straight away and then I rang up

796
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,640
the lady called Wendy who 
organises it and I said to you 

797
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,000
what you decor and I'll do it as
one and one and three and she 

798
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,240
says yes, please come down. 
So I came down on the Tuesday 

799
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,920
and I've been here ever since. 
And it's been fantastic. 

800
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,960
We would like to see more people
at the Sounds Beautiful event. 

801
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,160
And I think the, the way to do 
this is, is everybody needs to 

802
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,120
be upping the promotion because 
if you didn't come, you just 

803
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,600
don't know what you missed. 
It's been absolutely lovely. 

804
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,520
So I'd, I'd like to see more of 
these events because the young 

805
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:26,320
lady I talked to just now was 23
and she said, you know, more or 

806
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:31,520
less I can't talk to my age 
group because they just don't 

807
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,240
understand what's going on. 
But I've been here and it's just

808
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,960
been, it's been lovely to talk 
to people. 

809
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,680
And that's, I think that's a 
really powerful thing. 

810
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,680
Yeah, I was getting that 
actually last year, a lot of 

811
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,920
people coming up to me and they 
were saying exactly the same 

812
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:44,880
thing. 
And they've got their friends 

813
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,480
left and they're really lonely 
and they come up here and 

814
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,120
they've got new friends and and 
we're like family now. 

815
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,840
So we come here every year and 
there's quite a few freedom 

816
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,480
festivals. 
So we meet each other there and 

817
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,240
it's like a tribe now, now of 
people. 

818
00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:00,360
And they were very lonely, a lot
of people really lonely, which 

819
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,560
upset me last year because 
everyone was saying, oh, how 

820
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,760
lonely they were. 
And I thought these events are 

821
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,320
really important just to connect
to the right people and that 

822
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,880
you're not on your own and to 
come to these events. 

823
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,240
And that's how we win this fight
is if we actually meet each 

824
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:16,400
other face to face. 
And then you meet all these 

825
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,080
people contacts. 
I met a lady with land, She's 

826
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,360
got 4 acres of land in France 
and she wants people to go over 

827
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,320
and help her after it. 
And I said, yeah, come here. 

828
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,520
She has actually come. 
She's spent hours trying to get 

829
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,440
in because the signs aren't any 
good. 

830
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,880
But the signs will be better 
next year because I'm going to 

831
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,520
go and do them. 
So I will do the signs. 

832
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,680
But yeah. 
Yeah, OK. 

833
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,480
Driving around for hours trying 
to get in. 

834
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,920
Yeah, this is absolutely. 
True, you know, don't be, don't 

835
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,560
be at home lonely, come out and 
meet people and have fun. 

836
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,440
And also, yeah, discuss how you 
we stop all these horrible 

837
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,280
things. 
Here comes the low question 

838
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,000
right at the end. 
You've been here for a few days.

839
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,240
Have you been good? 
I've been very good actually, 

840
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,440
Yes, yes. 
And I've met so many new friends

841
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,600
and I've got, we've got another 
evening and the evenings will be

842
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,520
good because they have fire and 
they have a couple of fires on 

843
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,960
and we're all sitting by the 
fire. 

844
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,200
Once the music goes out, it has 
to go out about 1:00 because a 

845
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,640
bit sound complaints. 
But in the evening we all get 

846
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,440
together and go around the fire,
and we all like singing and 

847
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,880
dancing and drumming, and then 
it carries on. 

848
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,920
And I've got to bed about 4:30 
last night. 

849
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,760
And I was actually up this 
morning for yoga at 7:00. 

850
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,760
Yeah. 
So I think I've been very good. 

851
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,960
You've been very good. 
And, and I will also say that 

852
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,920
early this morning, I think it's
about 6:10, I've just to the 

853
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,680
fire pit just to see what, what 
it was like, because I always 

854
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,320
know it's the fire's still a 
light, but it's mainly ashes and

855
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,120
some members that were glowing. 
What really impressed me was 

856
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,040
that there was a plastic, big 
plastic container and all the 

857
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,560
beer bottles and everything had 
all been neatly stacked in 

858
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,240
there. 
So it's all clean and tidy. 

859
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,280
And I thought that's wonderful. 
Very. 

860
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,760
Good. 
Yeah, people here and you can 

861
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,240
leave stuff out. 
It never gets. 

862
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,240
Really. 
Honest people here and if you've

863
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:13,240
lost anything, if you need any 
water or food or coffee to start

864
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:16,400
people and they'll give you it. 
It's a lovely atmosphere and 

865
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,840
it's a really, really high 
vibration. 

866
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,960
Really high vibrations. 
That's how life should be. 

867
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,280
Yes, definitely. 
Yeah. 

868
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,840
I went to another festival last 
week now, saying it'd be lovely 

869
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,320
if life is like this every day. 
And there's a lot of festivals. 

870
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,120
So in theory you can. 
You can make your life every day

871
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,800
like mimic festivals and meet 
lots of people. 

872
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,200
Yeah, brilliant, Jenny, Thank 
you. 

873
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,640
Thank you very much for 
everything you've done for us. 

874
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,880
Thank you very much. 
That was painless, wasn't it? 

875
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,720
It was OK actually, but I don't 
know if it's going to be any 

876
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:45,920
good of. 
Course it's going. 

877
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,160
To be so. 
We're going to stream this. 

878
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,520
Yeah. 
Are you going to let me see it 

879
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,720
before it's just going to? 
No, no, that's. 

880
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,360
Seriously, there's people going 
to get worried, but trust us, it

881
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,560
was a good interview and and our
viewers and listeners are going 

882
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,240
to love seeing you and hearing 
you good well. 

883
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,800
I'm still smiling because I can 
still feel myself sat in the UK 

884
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:16,320
column tent as it was being 
dismantled, and it would have 

885
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,480
been very nice if we'd have 
maybe had some other clips of 

886
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,880
the tent being being actually 
dismantled around us. 

887
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,720
But it was great fun and it was 
probably a wonderful thing to be

888
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:32,320
able to look through that 
backdrop and to see the into the

889
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,480
fields and the tents over the 
other side. 

890
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,240
But Jenny's done brilliant work 
and it's just wonderful that she

891
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,120
stayed with us over all that 
time. 

892
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,840
And I I I just think as a little
CLI to end it it, it was lovely.

893
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,120
Well, I think as well, you do 
get a glimpse of the beauty of 

894
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,800
the site there. 
I mean, it just looks like a 

895
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,280
bucolic English countryside 
scene, you know, with the grass 

896
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,600
wafting and some tents and 
Marquis in the background and 

897
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,760
the blue sky. 
And I'm. 

898
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,960
It makes you want to go back, 
You know, it makes me want to go

899
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,960
back seeing that shot. 
And and Jenny is such a bright 

900
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,640
and sunny person. 
She embodies, you know, 

901
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,920
positivity and that shot, the 
shot, she's a. 

902
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,360
Doer. 
She's a doer. 

903
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,040
Yeah. 
And she's done so much for us. 

904
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,480
And if you come to our events, 
you'll see the backdrops that 

905
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,480
she's done for us, which all 
handcrafted, hand done. 

906
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,680
And they're just lovely. 
And we have them up in the tent,

907
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,200
as you can see there with the 
interview with Mary. 

908
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,920
And yeah, it was, it was a 
lovely way to end it. 

909
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,760
And and I just love the stuff 
that she was saying, you know. 

910
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,360
Oh, the, the signs on the door 
weren't very good, but don't 

911
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,800
worry, I'm doing them next year,
you know, and things like that, 

912
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,680
you know, full of confidence. 
And and also again, though, 

913
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,480
there was that area of 
seriousness of like, but a lot 

914
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,280
of people come to these things 
because they're really lonely. 

915
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,320
She, you know, that's what Jenny
said and she said how much that 

916
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,160
upset her. 
And but now these festivals, of 

917
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,320
which there are a lot of being a
lifeline. 

918
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,280
And I think that's really the 
key. 

919
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,720
And if anyone's wavering and 
thinking, oh, there are too many

920
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:01,960
freedom events and there are too
many things going on, we'll try 

921
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,240
and you should determine. 
Do what resonates with you, but 

922
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:07,920
at least goes to some. 
Because I think we've moved away

923
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,880
from the marches. 
You know that Mary talked about 

924
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,040
going on the marches and that 
brought back a lot of memories 

925
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,160
for me and I'm sure for you, the
marches. 

926
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,080
But that was a different energy.
That's what was needed then. 

927
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,880
Now I think as we're moving 
towards this kind of shift in 

928
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,120
consciousness, we need to be 
relaxing and having fun with 

929
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,800
each other. 
Because actually that relaxing, 

930
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,200
having fun and laughing will 
beat what we're up against more 

931
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,320
than marching angrily along 
London with a banner saying get 

932
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,840
off your, you know, take your 
masks off. 

933
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,840
That was then, this is now. 
And it is a form of protest to 

934
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,400
be out in the field with like 
minded people. 

935
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,880
And also looking after yourself,
yes, and making yourself feel 

936
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,160
good by, by the environment you 
you put yourself in. 

937
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,160
It's a very powerful thing. 
That's the power of it. 

938
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,560
So very powerful. 
Because the better we feel, not 

939
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,360
only physically but mentally 
about ourselves, and the more 

940
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,640
positive we are, the better 
place we are to fight the really

941
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,880
terrible people that are messing
this world up. 

942
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,920
Absolutely, and it just reminds 
me of what Mary said. 

943
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,120
To go back to Mary's interview, 
she said you've got to diffuse 

944
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,240
it with humour and she talked 
about she couldn't remember 

945
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,680
Dominic Cummings name, but at 
the end of her interview talking

946
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,200
about who was the man at Barnard
Castle, you know, Dominic 

947
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,720
Cummings and we all remember 
that story and you know, his 

948
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,680
ridiculous excuses. 
But she was like, take the sting

949
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,800
out of it, laugh, relax. 
That that just takes all their 

950
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,920
power away. 
Powers with us, powers with us. 

951
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,000
And it's how we are now moving 
forward. 

952
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,160
Now that we've all had a rude 
awakening to how the world is 

953
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,360
run, you know it's up to us to 
defeat it in the in the most 

954
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,600
positive way. 
Yeah, absolutely true. 

955
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:43,440
So what a place to end. 
I think on humour. 

956
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,240
You and I are both smiling. 
I think the audience would be 

957
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,960
smiling a bit more if we were to
show some of the outtakes and 

958
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,480
our little efforts in the studio
today. 

959
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,880
That may be for another time, 
but. 

960
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:58,040
I thought you were going to say 
the audience would like it more 

961
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,200
if they could see what we got. 
We're getting up to in our tent 

962
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,600
in the evening, The UK column 
team. 

963
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,800
Well, we, we, we should have 
filmed that. 

964
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,680
No, maybe not. 
Well, we did. 

965
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:12,040
At a previous event we had had a
wonderful evening where it got a

966
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,160
bit cold in the evenings a 
couple of times, but we were in 

967
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,560
in the tent and we were able to 
get everybody squeezed round a 

968
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,760
little table. 
We did the real thing because we

969
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,880
had a gas lamp going, which of 
course gives you light and also 

970
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,400
a bit of heat and possibly we 
had a drink and we were playing 

971
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,040
cards and it it was absolutely 
lovely. 

972
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,880
So yeah, there we are. 
Lot of fun. 

973
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,320
Gemma, thank you very much for 
joining me. 

974
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,120
It's been really great. 
Thank you.