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David Hughes, thank you for 
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Well, thank you for having me 
back and congratulations on your

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new UK column slot. 
I participated in a 9/11 

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symposium back in 2020 I think 
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columns, so not my first time. 
I'm glad to be back. 

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Gee, there's a really good 
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I mean, if we're talking about 
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a gem, isn't it? 
It's, well, it's one of the very

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biggest, isn't it? 
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first woke up and inverted 
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of the lie. 
I was struck very much by the 

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question, why is it that most 
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actually it's blindingly 
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And that has to do very much 
with the power of psychological 

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operations, with propaganda, 
with the use of the term 

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conspiracy theorist and so on. 
And it's absolutely vital that 

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the public understands how these
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So much of my research since 
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exposing the various techniques 
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it. 
Essentially. 

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Like what? 
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I cover all kinds of different 
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warfare that were involved. 
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some of the techniques are very 
crude in terms of shock the 

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population with a traumatic 
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propaganda to beat them around 
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broadcast talking about 
terrorism and and and so on and 

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Al Qaeda that that's really all 
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event. 
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deeper levels. 
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something called it a mainstream
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I, I call it Camp 2 in my 3 
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that there's a, a group of 
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probably has military 
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role it is to deliberately 
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And so in my view, that is very 
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Thermite narrative which has 
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which I and many others think is
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untrustworthy and dishonest. 
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groundswell, a growing group of 
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that the truth lies neither with
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with the Nano thermite 
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direction of the work of Judy 
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I had the great privilege of 
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in 2021 and I found her work 
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blowing. 
Her book is something like I've 

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never seen in terms of an 
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David speak to the average 
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concluded, which is effectively 
directed energy weapons and 

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people will the eyes will glaze 
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clown. 
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I'm talking about in terms of 
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operations to cover up the 
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I mean, in the case of Doctor 
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to have a Wikipedia page. 
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because it's often the case that
Wikipedia will give people pages

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just in order to promote 
misinformation about them. 

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But obviously Wood's ideas are 
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establishment that she's never 
been allowed even to have a page

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of that nature. 
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smeared and attacked and 
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has been down the years. 
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something very significant. 
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know, if they fall for that, 
they don't want to be associated

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with someone who's been painted 
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But all of this is about making 
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evidence that is presented in 
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come to light or isn't taken 
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And one of the important points 
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book is that she's not trying to
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but she is presenting the 
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And there's 500 pages of 
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And it's a, a high quality 
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It contains all kinds of 
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diagrams and much else besides. 
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treasure trove for readers to 
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And some of that evidence, I'm 
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light or ever have been taken 
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extraordinary when you take, for
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toasted cars. 
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cause this to happen? 
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with it, I'm sure virtually all 
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But many cars in the in the 
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found apparently burned out, 
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what, what appear to be burn 
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buildings? 
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collapse per SE, but you know, 
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collapsing buildings 'cause that
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badly damaged. 
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itself is undeniable and we 
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whole, doesn't it? 
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have come to over the last 12 
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what I call Camp 2, which is 
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official narratives. 
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question the official version of
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2 and they are greeted there by 
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essentially people whose role it
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pipers essentially that will 
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truth, plenty of relevant facts,
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them about the most important 
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It takes an awful lot of work 
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both in terms of research and 
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emotionally and to find one's 
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which is essentially the truth. 
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difficult place to be and it's a
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Camp 2 relative to Camp 3 is 
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So when fighting the, the, the 
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you in the trenches, it's for 
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to, to find your way into Camp 3
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extremely difficult. 
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of what you're speaking about, 
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sort of false dichotomy of, of 
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So let's look at the COVID era. 
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that China was involved. 
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the same thing, which means that
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third option, which is what you 
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that there wasn't a pandemic and
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psychological operation. 
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chapter 6 of my book COVID-19, 
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War for Technocracy. 
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argument, which I agree with, 
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to the idea that there was, in 
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true? 
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onus was on the authorities to 
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that it was true. 
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so. 
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question, even if there had of 
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measures that were taken ever 
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You know, shutting down the most
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in their houses, creating 
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psychological stress, which of 
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debility in many cases. 
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people's lives were so bad, 
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education, putting people in 
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there were a virus? 
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That's the camouflage, that's 
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I argue in the book, the whole 
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operation as we move towards the
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initiate what I have called the 
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involves the gradual 
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democracy and its replacement 
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totalitarianism, which, as 
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demonstrated over the years, 
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health, science, the science 
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thing is 1 massive distraction. 
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to, to watch Sasha Latapova's 
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military operation. 
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which is essentially ongoing 
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transnational deep state that 
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9/11 and behind so much else is 
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pushing towards technocracy 
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because if this technocratic 
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mean, it's not just the end of 
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it would be the end of, of human
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I think it was around 2016 when 
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red pull, and then around 2020 I
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of red pulls. 
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When did you start opening your 
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Strangely enough, exactly the 
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exactly the same ways. 
So that's a strange coincidence.

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2016 and and and my wake up in 
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was the destruction of the Twin 
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It came in the context of of 
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Wait, wait, wait, wait. 
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you woke up. 
No 2016. 

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Oh, I beg your point. 
OK, so so so but but but the 

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9/11 was. 
The trick was the yes was the 

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trick, exactly. 
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Yeah. 
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policy to my students, and we've
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Vietnam and the war in 
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continuities between those two 
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costly wars, PTSD for the 
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And I thought, well, we know 
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the Vietnam War came about as a 
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incident, which we now know to 
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a false flag. 
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the war in Afghanistan and the 
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How did that all kick off 911? 
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everybody knows that, you know, 
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I think that 911 was a a false 
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But I thought, well, I better 
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And of course, it doesn't take 
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who's honest about this to 
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buildings were destroyed could 
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jet fuel. 911 was a big moment. 
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who dissented, is that really 
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society now seem to be captured 
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global technocracy and thereby 
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population. 
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technocracy in the title of my 
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literal sense, because you 
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It's a war being waged by a 
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that owns the means of 
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It can manipulate the financial 
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stratosphere by this tiny but 
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rest of humanity. 
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gets wise to what's going on, 
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overnight. 
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across every conceivable domain 
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in a way which isn't noticed. 
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massive what happened that for 
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it's impossible to ignore. 
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Technocracy. 
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All of this is, is, is going on.
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for us if we don't resist and if
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What's required is mass non 
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all aspects of this technocracy.
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technologies for subjugation 
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And what the public has to do is
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technologies and to reject. 
Them Mathias Desmet has written 

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a lot about totalitarianism and 
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some of what he says, 
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that approximately 30% of people
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reject or push back. 
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it was Desmond's idea per SE. 
It is in his book. 

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writings in the in the 1950s and
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that claim, but nevertheless it 
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And you can see it also in, for 
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inverted commas data from the UK
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2022 after the rollout of the 
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adult population in the UK, 23% 
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refused to take a single shot. 
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with what we're talking about, 
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so of the population for 
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know necessarily does seem to be
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programming, the, the, the 
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I mean, the good news is I, I 
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slowly growing over time. 
I think more and more people are

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in inverse of Commons waking up.
And once you see these things, 

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there is no going back. 
You seem skeptical. 

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Are you sure? 
Are you sure? 

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I don't know. 
I'm I'm noticing people going 

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backwards. 
Well, the as I, as I argue in 

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the book, the that the COVID 
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military operation, one key 
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based mind control. 
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populations at one level could 
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though they experienced or 
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PTSD en masse because of what 
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done to them. 
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aspect of it means that people 
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to revisit what happened. 
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wrote my book, as I put in 
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revisit it. 
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It's all about remembering in 
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perpetrators here. 
This was done by design for very

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nefarious purposes. 
So it's important that we don't 

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forget that now. 
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that more and more people are 
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I mean, it's very interesting 
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next few days that my book will 
will pass a quarter of a million

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accesses and downloads on the 
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alone, which for an academic 
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So what that shows is that there
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appetite for this information. 
People do want to know. 

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I've had plenty of people now 
telling me that I, for whatever 

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reason, you know, I don't know 
manner of delivery, the nature 

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of the information I'm 
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I've been able to reach some of 
their friends and family that 

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they've not been able to reach 
and to help them to, to see 

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things. 
I think that the, I mean, it 

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might be a painstakingly slow 
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but I think more and more people
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come round. 
And I've seen this even in my 

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own family. 
You know, even certain people 

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who I thought would never in a 
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psychologically process this 
information are now starting to.

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So I'm still hopeful in that 
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And I mean, ultimately the truth
is the truth. 

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I mean, it always comes out in 
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And just coming back to those 
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few minutes ago, I mean, if 
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population being immune to this 
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got to get to 51% for things to 
start to swing. 

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You know, we don't need to be 
able to convince everybody or 

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even a large majority if we 
could just get another, you 

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know, 30% or so, maybe not even 
that, then things could start 

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changing very, very quickly. 
You know, there could, there 

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could be a tipping point. 
So I remain optimistic. 

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I think you actually make some 
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should rephrase what I was 
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it's not A or B in the sense, 
you know, when I say waking up, 

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I'm not talking about every 
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talking point. 
You know, some people, for 

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example, will, will agree that 
there was no pandemic, but they 

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won't agree that Direct Energy 
weapons were used on 9/11, for 

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example. 
And I think this is the nature 

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of the human condition that we 
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vectors. 
So, So when we say waking up or 

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opening our eyes, I guess it 
depends on what we're talking 

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about. 
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process, isn't it? 
And it's about learning to 

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identify the mechanisms that are
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And I mean, I don't expect 
everyone to agree on everything,

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and I don't expect everyone to 
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anyone else has to say. 
That's not what it's about. 

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You know, you're right, it's not
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But it is about people learning 
to distrust the information 

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that's provided by mainstream 
sources and to develop a sense 

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that the authorities which are 
ostensibly there to serve and 

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protect them are doing nothing 
of the kind and, as COVID amply 

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demonstrated, are in fact now 
attacking them and are, in my 

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view, at war with them. 
It's about understanding that 

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even once you've developed that 
consciousness, there are levels 

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of perception and levels of 
awareness and that once you 

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start to ask the questions, 
there will be even more 

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challenges put in your way in 
terms of the fake dissident 

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camp, two kind of characters 
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And it's about learning that, 
you know, this is a, a difficult

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and painstaking process. 
It involves, I mean, 

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psychologically you have to 
abandon some fundamental ideas 

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that you've been propagandized 
with really ever since birth 

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that the inherent virtue of 
Western liberal democracies, you

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know, the idea that vaccines are
safe and effective and so on. 

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The idea that we're fighting a 
virtuous War on Terror against, 

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you know, foreign non state 
actors that are that are out to 

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get us all of these things, 
which we've really been 

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conditioned just to accept go 
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And that that's quite difficult 
because it's a very 

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disorientating process And it's 
it's a scary process. 

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It's a frightening process. 
It removes the kind of 

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psychological security that you 
you may may have had. 

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So it's not about getting people
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about getting them to engage in 
that process, to understand that

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process and to actually have the
the courage and the integrity to

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to start treading that path. 
The problem, David, though, is 

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the pendulum always seems to 
swing in a really wonky fashion 

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because we'll talk about Camp A 
and Cam B, right? 

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And Cam B would be opposition to
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respects. 
So let's say 911. 

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OK, so Cam B would be argue 
that, I don't know, there was 

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demolition and all sorts of 
other things going on, right? 

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And on the face of it, it's 
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the mainstream narrative. 
But now what happens is you have

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you have arguments within Camp B
and Camp C about what the actual

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truth is, and it weakens the 
overall opposition, which would 

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be B + C And so now you have 
Camp A looking at B&C and 

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laughing going, well, they're 
just a bunch of clowns because 

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they don't even know what's 
going on. 

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And yeah, we are maintaining the
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Everything that you've just 
described is by design. 

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If you go back to a 2009 paper 
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Vermeul, they, this is an 
academic journal paper and they 

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call in that and, and you know, 
these are Harvard professors, by

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the way, and they call in that 
paper for government agents to 

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infiltrate chat rooms, 
particularly in the context of 

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those asking critical questions 
about the events of 9/11 and 

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essentially to sow disruption. 
So we know that this is by 

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design. 
We know that these bad actors 

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are out there. 
We know that their task is to 

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create confusion, to turn people
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silly or ludicrous narratives, 
to promote more credible sounded

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but false narratives. 
We know that this has been going

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on and it was incredibly 
effective in the so-called 911 

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truth community. 
I mean, as you say, there is no 

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community. 
It's, it's been completely 

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shattered and disparate. 
And in that sense, the the the 

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perception management operations
were successful. 

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However, again, I think more and
more people are starting to 

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understand how the game works 
now. 

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And in the case of COVID, for 
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kind of the bots on X or Twitter
as it used to be, more and more 

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people are realizing that, for 
example, in the UK, there are 

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things like the 77th Brigade 
whose role is precisely to do 

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with perception management 
through online means that was 

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specifically deployed to enforce
the COVID narrative in various 

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ways. 
And I forget what was his name, 

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was it Mike Williams? 
I may have got that wrong. 

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00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,200
But anyway, as one of the senior
generals in relation to the 77th

452
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,640
Brigade came out back in March, 
April 2020 and said, yeah, we've

453
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,000
got, you know, 3000 of our 
members working on this and we, 

454
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,160
you know, we could call up 
20,000 if we want. 

455
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,600
So when I'm talking about 
battalions of kind of 

456
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,440
misinformers, I, I mean that in 
a quite literal military sense, 

457
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,920
because we know that this is 
what's going on. 

458
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:20,000
And of course, a lot of people 
now do refer to the 77th Brigade

459
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:27,960
online, you know, or, or when 
they're being trolled by bots 

460
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,040
and, and, and so on, which 
apparently now is most Internet 

461
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,000
traffic. 
People are starting to 

462
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,240
understand the scale of the 
misinformation and the 

463
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,080
deception. 
And I think people are becoming 

464
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,360
more critical and more 
discerning in terms of the kind 

465
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,760
of information that they're 
looking for. 

466
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,760
But I don't underestimate the 
scale of the challenge. 

467
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,160
And of course, it's getting even
worse now with AI and deep fakes

468
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,280
and so on, where soon it may 
become virtually impossible to 

469
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,760
distinguish what's what's real 
and what's not real online. 

470
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,880
And that is a particular 
concern. 

471
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,400
I mean, you could imagine a 
podcast of this nature going out

472
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,120
with you and I looking and 
sounding exactly as we do, but 

473
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,840
saying all kinds of different 
things. 

474
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,560
Now that's a that's a huge 
concern. 

475
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,960
And it, you know, could lead to 
a kind of mass psychosis where 

476
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,440
no one really knows what's real 
or not. 

477
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,720
But nevertheless, I do think 
that more and more people are 

478
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,200
starting to to understand how 
the game works and to become a 

479
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,840
bit more discerning about the 
way in which they take in their 

480
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,360
information. 
I think it was Noam Chomsky who 

481
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:40,240
said that one of the most. 
Effective ways to control people

482
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,800
is to create the parameters of 
discourse and then encourage 

483
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,640
very vigilant and even 
aggressive heated debate within 

484
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,440
those parameters so that there 
would be the, excuse me, there 

485
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,800
would be the appearance of 
opposing views, but they're 

486
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,600
still within the parameters and 
those parameters are are. 

487
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,440
Given yeah, you're right, that's
that was Chomsky that said that.

488
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,560
And in a sense that's a an 
apartment description of 

489
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,200
mainstream politics, isn't it? 
You can have as much fierce 

490
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,680
debate as you like between red 
and blue, Labour and 

491
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,840
Conservative, etcetera, but 
provided you don't talk about 

492
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,400
the incoming technocracy, that's
fine. 

493
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,920
Keep all of the attention, all 
of the perception, etcetera 

494
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,880
focused over there and don't 
mention what's really going on. 

495
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,160
That's exactly how it works. 
OK. 

496
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,640
So let me push back a little bit
for the sake of this 

497
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,240
conversation, David. 
There is this, we're talking 

498
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,160
about perception management, but
there is this perception that 

499
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,440
the perception managers are very
advanced and very smart people. 

500
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,960
Could it also be argued with the
sense of nuance that there is a 

501
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,880
lot of stupidity going on above?
Yes, I mean, a couple of things 

502
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,840
to say on that. 
Firstly, I think that the people

503
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,040
running these operations are 
extremely intelligent. 

504
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:10,199
A lot of it of course centres 
around intelligence in the sense

505
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,679
of British intelligence or or 
CIA and it's called that for a 

506
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,480
reason. 
And they do recruit some of the 

507
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,120
most intelligent people, 
typically people who have a, 

508
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,239
shall we say, a criminal bent. 
You know, they, they're 

509
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,639
intelligent, but they get a kick
out of being able to get away 

510
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,960
with things that they shouldn't 
be able to, to get away with 

511
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:38,000
breaking the law and, and so on.
Now, that said, in Chapter 8 of 

512
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,400
my COVID book, I've got a 
section called Urgency and 

513
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:48,120
Desperation in which I argue 
that in many ways, the rollout 

514
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,840
of the COVID operation was 
rushed and botched. 

515
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,560
I think that although those 
behind it had been planning it 

516
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,240
for many, many years, they, they
must have been given the 

517
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:05,920
granular level of detail that 
was involved in the rollout. 

518
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,360
But the rollout of the 
psychological operation, I don't

519
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,240
mean the injections it. 
Yeah, I'm convinced it was well 

520
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,640
planned long in advance, but the
actual way in which it was done 

521
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,560
in many ways blew their cover in
many ways, made people wake up 

522
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,120
at a faster rate than ever 
before. 

523
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,520
They didn't succeed in getting 
the injections into everyone. 

524
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,360
Technocracy is being talked 
about now in a way which it 

525
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,200
never used to be before. 
And I think that it was very 

526
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:49,720
interesting in January 2022 when
to my mind, the, the operation 

527
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:53,440
was seemingly pushing ahead at 
full force. 

528
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:59,840
In December 2021 in the UK, 
there was talk about NHS 

529
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,680
workers, the, the, the shop 
being being mandated for NHS 

530
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,160
workers. 
I mean, that's, I think it's the

531
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,440
5th largest employer in the 
world. 

532
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,520
If that had gone ahead, that 
would have set such a strong 

533
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,520
precedent for other employers to
follow. 

534
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:17,040
And I was so worried in December
2021 and then all of a sudden in

535
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,800
January 2022, the whole thing as
it had been taking place since 

536
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,880
the spring of 2020 was suddenly 
wound down and, and put to bed. 

537
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,040
And, and then in February, it 
all became about Ukraine. 

538
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,720
And that was an extraordinary 
moment because it was an 

539
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,920
obvious. 
It was a. 

540
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,800
Coincidence, David. 
It moved swiftly from one to the

541
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,520
other. 
And again, I'm sure that that 

542
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,240
was non accidental. 
But the, the, the key point here

543
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:50,480
is that as successful as the 
drive was seeming at the time to

544
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,400
just keep this injection 
campaign rolling on and on and 

545
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,640
on, they must have known that 
they'd reached their limit 

546
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,400
because they then stopped it and
moved on to different forms of, 

547
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,680
of operation. 
So we must never overestimate 

548
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,800
their power. 
And I think the, the fact that 

549
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,400
they stopped and again, this was
around the time of the Canadian 

550
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,520
truckers convoy, right, you 
know, signs of mass resistance 

551
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,880
on the ground. 
So I think it's important to, to

552
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,360
keep an eye on that and to, to 
remember our strength and the, 

553
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,680
the, the level of resistance 
that there is, because it was 

554
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,480
sufficient to stop the COVID 
operation and it can be 

555
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,000
sufficient again in future to 
stop whatever they have planned 

556
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,840
for us. 
You talk about our strength, OK,

557
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:40,040
So do we not run the risk by 
constantly pointing the finger 

558
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:47,400
at them, taking away our own 
responsibility and basically 

559
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,680
feeding into perpetual 
victimhood? 

560
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,720
Well, I do the opposite in my 
work. 

561
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:58,360
I mean, I'm essentially trying 
to spread awareness and 

562
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,840
enlightenment of of what's 
happening. 

563
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,280
And I've said repeatedly that 
once you see this, there is a 

564
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:10,040
moral responsibility and indeed 
a strategic responsibility to 

565
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,720
take action. 
And one of the lessons of 

566
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,080
totalitarianism from the past, 
if you read the works of 

567
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,080
Solzhenitsyn for example, is 
that staying silent is not an 

568
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,880
option. 
Doing nothing is not an option. 

569
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,640
Burying your head in the sand is
not an option. 

570
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,520
And actually the very nature of 
the Omni war, as I've called it,

571
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,800
means that this is being 
directed specifically against 

572
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:41,760
you personally and your family. 
So you have to fight, you have 

573
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,880
to get up and find ways of 
adding to the resistance. 

574
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,080
And of course what we do have on
our side is numbers, 8 billion 

575
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,520
people approximately stand to 
assuming the estimates are 

576
00:38:54,520 --> 00:39:00,440
correct, but stand to stand to 
lose from what is taking place. 

577
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,240
And so actually, if enough 
people would get up and active, 

578
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,000
I think this could be rolled 
back very, very quickly. 

579
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,800
But it is about taking that 
personal responsibility. 

580
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,360
So, yeah, I mean, I'm anything 
but defeatist in this. 

581
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,200
You know, I can, I can see a way
out. 

582
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,440
And that's why I'm encouraging 
people to take action, do what 

583
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,720
they can. 
I mean, the fact that this Omni 

584
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:28,680
war is being fought in so many 
different domains means that 

585
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,400
there must be something that you
can do what? 

586
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,920
Whatever your gift is, there 
must be something that you can 

587
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,440
do. 
Find that thing and do it. 

588
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,760
Isn't that also a danger of the 
whole Q thing? 

589
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,120
You know it's the white hats are
coming to save us, so don't do 

590
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,600
anything. 
It's all 55D chess. 

591
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,360
Well, that certainly is what the
purpose was, right? 

592
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,880
And the whole kind of fall of 
the cabal idea that, yes, you 

593
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,440
know, you can abdicate personal 
responsibility because the white

594
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,000
hats are out there and they're 
already saving you. 

595
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,520
They're already doing it for 
you. 

596
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,520
I mean, it's an extremely 
successful song opera. 

597
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,120
I mean, I don't know how many 
millions of people in the US 

598
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,640
alone bought into that. 
Thankfully, I think the wheels 

599
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,080
have have come off that one now 
and more and more people are are

600
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,000
seeing through that. 
But again, This is why it's 

601
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,800
important to just understand the
fundamentals of what's taking 

602
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,000
place. 
This is a war. 

603
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,760
It's a war that's being waged 
against you and its ultimate 

604
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,440
purpose is to subjugate and 
enslave you through technocratic

605
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,400
means. 
It's happening now. 

606
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,480
It's happening fast. 
The technocrats have already 

607
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,680
moved into the White House with 
Doge and Teal and Musk, etcetera

608
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,000
and Palantir. 
The technologies are already 

609
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,200
being experimented in a military
within the military capacity in 

610
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,520
in Ukraine and Gaza and 
elsewhere. 

611
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,600
This is all happening now. 
Are you going to allow it? 

612
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,920
You know, with you? 
Do you consent? 

613
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,400
Do you acquiesce to this path 
continuing? 

614
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,720
Because if you don't, then you 
must resist. 

615
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,760
You must do something. 
But what is that something? 

616
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,120
Well, I offer a whole range of 
solutions at the end of my 

617
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,080
Solari report titled Omni War, 
Exposing and Ending the 

618
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,240
Invisible War Against Humanity. 
I mean, I'm not going to 

619
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,960
prescribe a, you know, kind of a
set thing, set series of things 

620
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,920
that everybody must do. 
But the key point that I always 

621
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,920
emphasize is that you need to 
look inside yourself. 

622
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,000
You need to look inside your 
conscience and you need to look 

623
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,600
inside your heart. 
And you need to ask yourself 

624
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,560
honestly, what is it that you 
can do? 

625
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,800
You know, what is it that you 
see? 

626
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,640
What difference can you make? 
And that's going to be different

627
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,160
for everybody. 
Some people might be good at 

628
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,440
monkey wrenching technologies. 
Some people might be good at 

629
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,920
going down to the local councils
and trying to effect put 

630
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,240
pressure on locally because a 
lot of these global agendas are 

631
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,880
actually enacted at a local 
level. 

632
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,560
Some people might be good at 
doing the kind of thing that you

633
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,760
and I do, podcasting and so on, 
spreading messages. 

634
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,960
Some people might be able to 
write books, some people hold 

635
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,680
yellow boards. 
Whatever it may be, there is an 

636
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,160
absolute raft of things that you
can do. 

637
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,760
Ditching your smartphone would 
probably be one of the most 

638
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,160
important things that you can 
do. 

639
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Withdrawing from all forms of 
smart technologies is certainly 

640
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,400
highly recommended in the 
context of this war. 

641
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,440
Not putting up with ideas that 
you know to be wrong, having the

642
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,760
courage to speak out about 
things. 

643
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,800
I mean, there's so much actually
that can be done. 

644
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:39,680
But you know, it's, it's you 
have to have a mindset of 

645
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,800
wanting to adopt those ideas, to
take them forward and to find 

646
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,240
ways of making that difference 
in your own life. 

647
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:49,280
Again, I can't prescribe what 
that's going to be for each 

648
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,600
individual person, but each one 
of us has to take that 

649
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,600
responsibility now. 
But David, we all know Donald 

650
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,920
Trump is going to save us. 
Well, Donald Trump promised to 

651
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,840
drain the swamp in his first 
administration and then 

652
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,680
proceeded to do the opposite. 
He said that he was going to 

653
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,080
arrest Hillary Clinton and then 
he had his assembled dinner 

654
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,240
audience applaud her. 
We know that the guy is a 

655
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:21,280
charlatan and a misleader, and 
it's incredible how many people 

656
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,960
don't see this and have fallen 
for it a second time. 

657
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,440
So he's back now and you know, 
day one. 

658
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,000
Well, that looks OK. 
You know, we're going to the US 

659
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,280
is going to withdraw from the 
The Who tick war against woke 

660
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,120
tick. 
All right, good day 2 mRNA AI 

661
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:47,320
powered mRNA cancer vaccines. 
So, you know, you can see these 

662
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,400
kind of agendas just roll on 
regardless. 

663
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,360
You know, the 1st 90 days, you 
know all about doge. 

664
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,640
The you know, I dread to think 
how much data about the US 

665
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,120
population has now been hoovered
up by Palantir. 

666
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,960
I mean, it must have had so much
data before then. 

667
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,720
But you know, the integration 
now of this technocracy with 

668
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:12,560
government, I mean, that's 
incredible power that that 

669
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,040
company and someone like Peter 
Thiel now now has. 

670
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,320
It's very, very frightening. 
And as I say, those kinds of 

671
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,520
companies and they're plenty 
kind of AI, venture capital 

672
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,800
start-ups, all linked to what's 
called accelerationism. 

673
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,240
The frightening thing about all 
of that is the military 

674
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:34,360
connections and the fact that 
they are involved essentially in

675
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:42,040
creating this control grid where
they can know where everybody 

676
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,040
is, what they're doing, who 
they're friends and family are, 

677
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,040
all of the psychographic 
profiling, you know, where they 

678
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,560
like to shop, sexual 
preferences, you name it, a 

679
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,480
granular level of detail about 
everyone. 

680
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,120
And these same companies are 
also developing military 

681
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,400
technologies like the facial 
recognition software like AI 

682
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,120
powered drones, which can be 
used to hunt down and kill 

683
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,720
people. 
It doesn't take a genius, does 

684
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:12,480
it, to work out where this is 
going, which is a long standing 

685
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,440
project. 
You can, you could even trace it

686
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,680
back to IBM and the Holocaust. 
You can trace it back to 

687
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:21,800
Operation Phoenix using 
information and computing power 

688
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:28,400
to be able to identify, locate 
and ultimately eliminate 

689
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,080
dissidence. 
So again, this is taking place 

690
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,480
now on a transnational, if not 
global level. 

691
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,080
It's so dystopian, it's so dark,
it has to be stopped. 

692
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,040
It's weird, though, because 
people get so caught up in the 

693
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:49,000
binary of the electoral process,
For example, I mean, I think 

694
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:54,160
any, any sane person will agree 
that that Biden was not pulling 

695
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,200
the strings, yet somehow they 
think that now Trump is pulling 

696
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,520
the string strings. 
And the funniest part is that 

697
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,080
Trump is against the deep state.
He's going to pull it apart. 

698
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,760
I mean, how do you how do you 
get to the point where you think

699
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,040
that you become president of the
country and somehow you are not 

700
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:16,280
part of the system? 
Well, again, none of it makes 

701
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,440
sense when you really think 
about it. 

702
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,920
But the whole thing is about 
misleading the masses. 

703
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,880
So Trump has made himself the 
figurehead of this so-called 

704
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:34,200
techno populism movement. 
And when, you know, hundreds of 

705
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,880
millions of people are buying 
into him as this kind of savior 

706
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:44,040
type figure, and he is marching 
them straight into technocracy, 

707
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,600
and they don't see it and they 
don't understand what's going 

708
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,480
on. 
I mean, you know, Elon Musk 

709
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,120
openly said, you know, I'm not 
just MAGA, I'm dark MAGA. 

710
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,320
And the whole crowd cheers and 
goes wild. 

711
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,760
And they've no idea what he's 
talking about. 

712
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,440
You know, this is reference to 
something called the Dark 

713
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,880
Enlightenment. 
I won't get into the details 

714
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,560
here. 
I did a, a roundtable on this 

715
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,400
with. 
That's the one. 

716
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,600
I'm glad. 
I'm glad, you know. 

717
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,120
Yeah, Curtis Yavin, his, his, 
his, his real name. 

718
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:18,200
You know, these are neo 
reactionary figures which have 

719
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:24,320
kind of produced a a philosophy,
if you like, which serves as an 

720
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,560
intellectual legitimization of 
what these technocrats are 

721
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,720
trying to do. 
And what Ian Davis and I both we

722
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,440
both reach the same conclusion, 
having read some of this work 

723
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,160
first hand, that intellectually 
it's tremendously flimsy. 

724
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,240
I mean, it's just dreadful that 
the ideas are awful, the 

725
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,760
arguments are terrible, doesn't 
hang together. 

726
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:51,280
But Musk and others are 
perfectly happy to allude to it,

727
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,600
to legitimize what they're 
trying to do. 

728
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,000
And again, seeing as that you've
you've just mentioned Yavin 

729
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:04,120
there in 2008, Curtis Yavin came
out with what he called, and I 

730
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:09,280
quote, a humane alternative to 
genocide. 

731
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:16,240
And he was arguing back in 2008 
that the advancing technologies 

732
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:20,760
would render more and more 
people unemployed and redundant.

733
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,720
And So what do you do with this 
mass of people? 

734
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,160
And he came out of this horrific
idea. 

735
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,240
He referred to the kind of a 
lava, a cocoon that you wrap 

736
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,400
them in. 
And he invoked Ray Kurzweil's 

737
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,560
idea of fully immersive virtual 
reality. 

738
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,040
And so essentially you, you, you
put them in this state where 

739
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,880
they're living in a, you call it
a fake reality. 

740
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,200
You know, it seems real to them,
but it's 100% fake. 

741
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,920
And, and this is, this is his 
idea of morality. 

742
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,720
You know, this is better than 
just exterminating them. 

743
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,760
He said, I mean, these are the 
kind of characters and ideas 

744
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,640
that we're dealing with. 
But again, you see, this comes 

745
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:59,440
back at us in 2020 with Yuval 
Noah Harari, and he's talking 

746
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,200
about what he calls the useless 
class. 

747
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,080
You know what? 
What are we going to do with all

748
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,320
these people once, once the AI 
takes their jobs? 

749
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,360
And what did he say? 
Drugs and video games. 

750
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,160
I mean, these are horrendous, 
horrendous. 

751
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,400
People and horrendous ideas. 
Can I jump in there? 

752
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,960
I've I've thought about this and
I've asked a few people those 

753
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,680
questions I'll ask you also. 
I don't think I've ever heard, 

754
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,600
and I'm not in any way taking 
their side, but I've not in any 

755
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:33,960
way ever heard Ferrari or Javan 
or Schwab would ever say I would

756
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,760
like to see this. 
Are they not merely projecting 

757
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:49,480
what they think is coming? 
No, I, I, what they're trying to

758
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:56,320
do is to find ways of 
legitimizing the kind of plans 

759
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,560
that they have in place. 
And ultimately this is what 

760
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,760
technocracy entails. 
It is about taking away personal

761
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,840
liberty and control over 1's 
life and placing it in the hands

762
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,840
of the technocrats, which is a 
very small group of people which

763
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,480
are at the controls. 
They have the joysticks, they 

764
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,480
are in charge of the scientific 
management of society. 

765
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,800
They get to decide what 
resources you are allocated and 

766
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,360
how far you can straight from 
your 15 minute city and so on. 

767
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,600
It is ultimately a, a slavery 
system. 

768
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,440
And so even though they might 
not openly come out and say, 

769
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,680
yes, this is what I want to see,
I'm pretty confident that it is.

770
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,560
It's, it's a necessary part of 
what they're trying to achieve. 

771
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:50,320
Now, one of the rhetorical 
devices that they use is to talk

772
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,120
about things as though they're 
inevitable. 

773
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,360
So technological determinism is 
a key part of this, quite apart 

774
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,840
from politics and society, et 
cetera, technology just has its 

775
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,480
own logic and it just kind of 
advances regardless, and it 

776
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,160
always has done. 
And it's the technology that 

777
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,680
drives history. 
And that's a very kind of 

778
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,400
convenient position if you're 
one of them. 

779
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,640
But of course, it's not true. 
I mean, if you think about 

780
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,200
nanotechnology and all of the 
nefarious purposes to which that

781
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,960
could be put, this didn't just 
happen. 

782
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,360
You know, technology just didn't
kind of naturally evolve in this

783
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,800
way. 
There were deliberate political 

784
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,000
decisions taking taken around 
the turn of the Millennium to 

785
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,880
start investing massive amounts 
of money into nanotechnology 

786
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,480
research. 
There were agendas behind this. 

787
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,040
In other words, it was by 
design. 

788
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,280
And so they can hide all they 
like behind these narratives 

789
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,640
about, oh, this is just 
happening, we can't stop the 

790
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,840
March of AI, we can't etcetera, 
etcetera. 

791
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,480
But actually it's all planned 
and it's all part of the attempt

792
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,000
to place all power globally in 
the hands of very, very few 

793
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:03,400
people. 
But then is is the inevitable 

794
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,320
outcome inevitable? 
No, absolutely not. 

795
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,440
The outcome is always determined
in the struggle. 

796
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,040
And This is why I am very keen 
in my work to always reiterate 

797
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:20,760
the class relations behind this.
And of course they've, you know,

798
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,280
they, they do all they can to 
deflect away from thinking in 

799
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:30,840
class terms through kind of woke
and gender politics, identity 

800
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,200
politics and, and all of this 
kind of stuff so that people 

801
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,200
think of themselves kind of 
individualistic terms. 

802
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,760
But fundamentally, as I say in 
the 1st 5 words of my book, this

803
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,960
is a global class war that is 
now happening. 

804
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,120
And there is the the the the 
capitalist system has become 

805
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:52,320
disproportionately skewed so 
that a tiny proportion of the 

806
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,480
world's population controls the 
vast majority of its wealth. 

807
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,680
And it's skewed almost 
exponentially as you go up 

808
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,400
towards the top 1%, the top 
nought .1%, nought point nought 

809
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,760
1% and so on. 
So, so much of the wealth now is

810
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,480
contained in just the hands of 
those very few people, and 

811
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,160
they're trying to subjugate 
everybody else. 

812
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,760
So the outcome is far from 
determined. 

813
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,160
They want us to think that it 
is. 

814
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,600
They want us to think that it's 
hopeless. 

815
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,840
This is all part of the 
psychological operations. 

816
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,280
Again, I've got sections on this
in my work on COVID. 

817
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,120
You know, at the time, one of 
the things that they kept doing 

818
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,800
is to just try and convince us. 
It was, it was endless. 

819
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,960
It was never going to, it was 
never going to stop. 

820
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,520
You know, was it Susan Mickey, 
for example, when she was asked 

821
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,560
in an interview, how long do you
think the public should keep 

822
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,840
wearing masks? 
And she just said, oh, forever. 

823
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,200
These kinds of tricks were were 
used repeatedly to create this 

824
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,760
demoralization, the sense of 
despair, the sense that things 

825
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,360
are never going to end. 
And it's always this way, you 

826
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,880
know, to create the sense that 
we can't win, that we are like 

827
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,960
children. 
They use a lot of infantilizing 

828
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:02,000
rhetoric. 
And meanwhile, they're kind of 

829
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,000
like these omnipotent gods that 
have the power to just shut down

830
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,320
most of the world's economy 
overnight. 

831
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,040
This is what they want us to 
believe. 

832
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,520
But actually the the objective 
reality is completely different 

833
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:20,320
that you have a bunch of very 
desperate people trying to pull 

834
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,320
off something which is so 
audacious. 

835
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,840
I mean, trying to collapse 
liberal democracy and replace it

836
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,200
with technocracy. 
I mean, you are attacking human 

837
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,520
freedom. 
You're attacking nation, you're 

838
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,240
attacking family, you're 
attacking all of the values that

839
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:39,200
both left and right stand for. 
I mean, nobody has anything to 

840
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,040
gain from this. 
So I think that the more people 

841
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,280
see it, the more pushback there 
will be and the more futile 

842
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,320
these these technocratic agendas
will become. 

843
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,240
So again. 
I'm optimistic, but you've 

844
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:56,520
mentioned liberal democracy a 
few Times Now. 

845
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,760
I personally am not a fan of 
democracy at all. 

846
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:06,760
Why do you think the destruction
of liberal democracy is a bad 

847
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,080
thing? 
Well, that's a a really 

848
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,560
interesting question, and I 
agree that liberal democracy as 

849
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,120
it has developed over the course
of the 20th century has 

850
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:24,320
essentially been a cover for 
capitalist relations, which are 

851
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:29,200
tremendously exploitative and 
predatory and legitimized also. 

852
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,120
Voting. 
Voting is just theatre. 

853
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,240
Yes, it is. 
Yeah, I I agree. 

854
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,120
I mean, yeah, I mean, it's, it's
far from an ideal system. 

855
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,720
It's certainly a lot better than
than Technocracy. 

856
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,120
Either way. 
I, I think it's finished 

857
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:52,280
because, I mean, the powers that
be have, have have used liberal 

858
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,480
democracy as their their chosen 
kind of form of political regime

859
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,480
for for many decades. 
And even they are now trying to 

860
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,000
dismantle it. 
So quite apart from the fact 

861
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,600
that it's really always been a 
sham and it's always been, you 

862
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,080
know, the, the manufacturing of 
consent, you know, these ideas 

863
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,560
were around 100 years ago. 
It's amazing, you know, just how

864
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,520
successful this has been over 
the course of a century to 

865
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,240
persuade people that this is 
really in their interests. 

866
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:19,920
But either way, it's, it's on 
its way out now. 

867
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,160
The, the, the big question is 
what comes next? 

868
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,320
And this could go in multiple 
different directions. 

869
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,600
I mean, yes, the the the 
dystopian hellish vision of a 

870
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:35,800
global technocracy is 1 outcome 
chaos as as things spiral out of

871
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,760
control is, is another option. 
I would like to think that 

872
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,200
collectively we are able to come
up with a more positive vision 

873
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,680
towards which we can build and 
work. 

874
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,240
And that is what I think is 
sadly lacking at the moment. 

875
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:56,000
There's so much talk about the 
darker aspects, what they are 

876
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,240
doing about their psychological 
operations, etcetera. 

877
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:04,160
What's really needed is a 
positive narrative of our own. 

878
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,320
I mean, if you think about Bob 
Moran's picture, the good Reset,

879
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,560
yeah. 
I mean, that's an example of, of

880
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,720
of trying to do this, imagining 
what the world could look like, 

881
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:17,680
providing some kind of positive 
vision for us to aspire to. 

882
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,440
So if I were to kind of, you 
know, be thinking strategically 

883
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,640
about what's needed next, you 
know, I, I think that we need 

884
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,200
the best thinkers out there to 
be actually coming up with that 

885
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,480
kind of a vision and something 
that people can really, really 

886
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,800
buy into because there's too 
much negativity, There's too 

887
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,480
much kind of. 
Blackpilling. 

888
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,840
Blackpilling, Exactly. 
But again, you know, you think 

889
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,880
about what we've got here. 
The technologies that exist in 

890
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:46,320
the world today, even though 
they are being put to very 

891
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,760
nefarious purposes, could do a 
tremendous amount of good. 

892
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,480
I mean, if you have that amount 
of information about everybody, 

893
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,640
surely it becomes possible to 
distribute wealth more equitably

894
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,280
among society. 
You know, what need is there 

895
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:05,280
for, for, for wars, really, if, 
if this technology were to be 

896
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,960
expropriated from the hands of 
this kind of minuscule, very 

897
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,720
nefarious group, the world could
be so much better, unimaginably 

898
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:14,760
better. 
You know, there'd be an 

899
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,640
abundance of wealth. 
I mean, Katherine Austin Fitz 

900
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,040
has talked about this very often
that the lengths that they go 

901
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,400
to, to suppressors, I mean, just
the amount of money it must 

902
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,120
cost, just maintain this, you 
know, these relentless 

903
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,680
propaganda campaigns and the 
psychological operations and and

904
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,560
so on. 
You know, they have to go to so 

905
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:39,840
much effort and cost to keep the
global population in check. 

906
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,600
Imagine what we could do without
all of those constraints. 

907
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:48,600
I mean, the future could be 
incredible, but how many people 

908
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,680
ever really think that way? 
I think we need to start 

909
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,800
adopting a much more positive 
mindset if we're to bring people

910
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,000
with us. 
I think it was Yuri Besmanov in 

911
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,920
his interview with G Edward 
Griffin back and was it 83 or 

912
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,080
8484? 
We spoke about various 

913
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,880
characteristics of, of of 
control mechanisms, which I 

914
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,280
think you've echoed in your 
work, things like demoralization

915
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,880
and destabilization and 
disorientating people and that 

916
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,200
sort of thing. 
So one obvious way to look at 

917
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,120
this is to make sure that you 
are not demoralized and that 

918
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:28,480
you're not disorientated. 
Know who you are, know what your

919
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,600
meaning and purpose is when you 
wake up in the morning. 

920
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,600
And for goodness sake, don't 
doom scroll. 

921
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:39,240
You know, get fit, go into the 
sun, eat healthy, strengthen 

922
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,520
your your family connections and
your friendships and your 

923
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,480
networks. 
It seems pretty obvious. 

924
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,560
Yeah, it does. 
And again, they've done their 

925
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,280
best to make sure that we do 
none of those things. 

926
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,280
I mean, you know, the whole 
lockdown idea, you know, stay 

927
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,640
indoors, don't see the sun, 
don't exercise, don't see your 

928
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,480
family. 
I mean, you know, it's 

929
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,480
horrendous what they tried to 
do, the addictive power of 

930
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,520
social media. 
Highly, highly problematic. 

931
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,480
I mean, I don't know how much 
time the average person spends 

932
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:15,000
on social media per day instead 
of real social connections. 

933
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,040
And the doom scrolling is a, is 
a, is a terrible phenomenon. 

934
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,760
I mean, this is all known to 
have, you know, bad effects on 

935
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,840
people's mental health. 
And even worse than that, you 

936
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,320
are essentially trapping 
yourself in their technocratic 

937
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,240
system because the news feeds 
that you see, etcetera on 

938
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,200
Facebook and X or what you know,
wherever you're getting in news,

939
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,560
they're all manipulated through 
algorithms. 

940
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,960
Whatever tweets or whatever you 
put out, you've no idea how many

941
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,840
people they're reaching. 
And indeed, it's becoming pretty

942
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,520
obvious now, you know, with the 
Linda Yacarino principle of 

943
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,440
freedom of speech, but not 
reach. 

944
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,520
You can say whatever you like. 
Yeah, free speech go, man, but 

945
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,120
no one's going to hear you. 
So why? 

946
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,720
You know, why would you 
deliberately put yourself in 

947
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,640
that kind of digital prison 
space? 

948
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,400
I mean, I'm deliberately not on 
social media for that very 

949
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,480
reason. 
The amount of time that people 

950
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,160
spend on their smartphones and 
the fact that people, you can't 

951
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,480
live without them. 
I mean, this is a form of 

952
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,040
addiction. 
You know, if you can't drive 

953
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:25,240
from A to B without using a sat 
NAV, you, you've got a problem. 

954
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,480
You know, if you can't go to bed
without taking your phone with 

955
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,920
you, you've got a problem. 
If you can't lead your life 

956
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,400
without using multiple apps all 
the time, you've got a problem. 

957
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,360
Because you are increasingly you
are consenting and acquiescing 

958
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,520
and integrating yourself into 
that technocratic system. 

959
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,840
And the more you do so, the more
easier it becomes to manage you.

960
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,400
And that's before we get into 
the, the whole area of, of 

961
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,040
technologies going under the 
skin and, and intercorporeal 

962
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,280
technologies. 
So people have to take that 

963
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:01,560
responsibility again and 
withdraw from the everything 

964
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,960
that that points towards 
technocracy and do the kind of 

965
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,040
things that you were just 
describing. 

966
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,800
David, how can I follow you? 
Best place is on sub stack D 

967
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:16,320
hughes.substack.com or David A 
hughes.net. 

968
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,080
David A Hughes, thank you for 
joining me in the trenches. 

969
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,160
Pleasure, Joe. 
Thanks very much.