Good morning to UK column viewers and listeners.
As you can see, I'm here at home and it is a little bit chilly.
So I've got my thick sweater on today because England is not at
its best. I've got an important interview.
I'm going to be speaking to a lady called Yolanda, and Yolanda
is in Portugal. But what is really incredible
about this interview is that we've we've rekindled a
friendship, I think I'm going to say from way back in 2016.
And that was the original time that we reported about events
around Yolanda and her partner Leon.
And the subject is social services in the UK.
But here we are in 2025 and we've got the opportunity to
speak. So Yolanda, I'm going to say
thank you very much for having that very useful conversation on
WhatsApp a couple of months ago. I was delighted that we sort of
rediscovered each other. Time passes very quickly.
And I want to say a huge thank you for agreeing for for you
agreeing to do this interview with me today.
So welcome to the UK column. Ryan, thank you so much for
inviting me for this interview. And you, you actually got me
quite emotional now, just for the words that you say.
Well, it's Yolanda. It's it's a very emotional
subject. And and of course, viewers of
this interview will have already seen that you have a, a
mannequin over your right shoulder wearing a pink T shirt.
And tell us, tell us what's written on that T shirt.
So social services kidnap babies for adoption?
Social services kidnap babies for adoption.
And this is the subject and I have to say to you, it's a very
poignant subject because over the last week I've been
interviewing other mothers in UK on this very same subject.
And of course, way back in 2016, in fact, before 2016, we were
trying desperately hard at UK column to get some of the truth
out about what was actually happening around social services
in the United Kingdom, taking babies and dragging, dragging
the parents through very, very onerous family court
proceedings. So I know that for you to
actually talk to an audience today is is going to be
emotional and the subject is so important that we need to still
be talking about it. So Yolanda, I'm going to say
once again, thank you for agreeing to do this.
And perhaps we should start at the beginning.
And that was that originally you were living in UK with baby's
father at the time, Leon, and you gave birth.
What happened? Yeah, So I am a Portuguese
citizen and in 2010 I went to England.
I'm a cardiac physiologist and I have worked, for example, in
Harley Street in the private hospital.
So I was doing very well financially, professionally.
I was integrated very well on the English society.
And me and Leon, we have the, we're together for three years
and we decided to get pregnant. So we left London and we went to
Southampton not knowing what really Southampton is about.
So we planned the birth and when I was pregnant because the the
the nurse in the GP, every time that I was going in, there was
always a different one. So then I decided that the
services that I was being provided was not the ideal one.
Being the first time that I'm a mother, I would like to create a
relationship with a nurse and feel comfortable asking some
questions. So then I went on the Internet
and I decided to look for a private midwife.
A nurse? Private.
Yeah, private midwife that I was going to provide that service
for me, but once it was so expensive.
Then I found out the service of a dola and she was a certified
lady American citizen and she had a home birth herself.
But for me that was not the way to go because in Portugal we
don't have the babies at home. But in the longer run, well, we
got to know about how the things for the all the procedure, you
know, was actually the correct position to have a baby, not
actually lying down on the bed, you know, and with everything
that we learned from her. And once I have been invited by
the niece wife, you know, after like nearly nine months, I've
been told, you know, once you are a healthy young lady, so
then you can decide to have the baby at home in the in the birth
centre in nearly near Southampton.
Now, I don't have Leon in here to help me out and, and, or or
in hospital. So we actually, we went to visit
that place and was not a very nice experience because for
example, I just ask to the nurse if actually, you know, having
Leon in, you really help me out with the proper names because I
haven't talked about these for a while.
So, you know, one of the things that they do to the pregnant
woman when she's pregnant and when she's going to or the
labour, they are going to do the touch to say how dilated she is.
Correct? Yeah, from everything that I
have learned with this Dola, we learned that that actually
creates infections. The the the risk of her
infection is much higher. So you don't really have to do
that and there is not a much information that you can get
from that. So on that place.
So I just asked when she when, when she show us the, the
installation of that place. She said, in here is where
you're going to do the, the touch exam.
And I kindly ask her, do I have to do it?
Or if oh, can I, can I say no? You know, it's like, and she
said to me in a very rude way, if you don't want to do it, this
is not the place for you to have your baby.
And the way she said that it was so rude.
So, you know, every exam that you do in a hospital, everything
has to do with your consent. And I know that, you know, I
work in a health environment and I know how the things are.
So it's not the way sometimes they say it.
And then so then we exclude that option.
And then actually being in the environment in a hospital, you
know, like lying down on the bed and not moving, that was not the
way to go as well. And then we decided them to do a
plan for the birth. And the, the midwife that
actually received that, she told me that in more than 20 years of
experience, I've never gotten one.
And then what was written in a contract, a verbal contract with
that midwife was the home birth is something that happens in
England and is very common. And the what the NHS does to the
to the women to provide this, the security is that sends 2
midwives to the houses. So I was expecting 2 midwives
for my homeboat and once the contractions they started lay on
call the NHS but actually they said that no one was available.
So we called the dollar, she was in there, she was helping out
Leon with the pool at home and we did everything, you know,
Leon was very well prepared, counting down the contractions
and all of that and they kept calling the NHS saying the
contractions but actually six hours went down the road and no
midwife came. So he's actually 10 minutes
before borns when actually one midwife turned up at my home and
her attitude was completely wrong because he was let's move
a way up because I have my husband at home.
He's waiting for me and he's, you know, I need to let him go
from home because he needs to take care of my child going to
the school and he needs to go work.
And I'm like, you are late. It's only 1, not 2 like has been
said. And this is not the right
attitude to be in a home birth. But I have, I have a very strong
personality. I would say, you know, if I have
to say it, I will say it. If he's wrong, I will say it.
But neither me, neither Leon, neither the dollar said
absolutely nothing. We thought this is a brilliant
time. We're not going to ruin the
moment and we're just going easy.
So the woman decided to once born, he was in a we were in a
pool and she just kept brushing me and said come on mother now
you need to go lie down in there in the bed because the the the
placenta needs to come out because I really need to go.
So basically what she did, she pulled on the umbilical cord
twice and Leon being that man, he knew that was wrong.
So I screamed I hold her hand. I ask her please don't do it you
are hurting me. Leon hold her hand too and ask
her please don't do that you are hurting Yolanda.
So in a barely like minutes after I start bleeding.
So and you, Yolanda, just to clarify here, was this the
midwife that was pulling on the umbilical cord?
Yeah. Yeah.
So it's important to say that her name, she did say that her
name was Carol Stone. But let me tell you, Brian, the
name that is written down her on her card that I have recorded on
my home birth, it is not Carol Stone and she's not registered
with the name Carol Stone, OK? The name that she said verbally,
it is not the name that she's registered with.
And I know who she is, right? It is important to say as well
that my parents, they were watching the home birth through
the Skype and I have a camera recording the home birth and she
always gives her back to the camera and she always has hidden
her face to the Skype. And she knew that my parents
they were on the Skype because Dolo was holding the computer
to. So they they met through the
computer. It is important as well to say
that before she pulled umbilical cord, she gave me the injection
so I could expel the placenta. Now I know one thing that you
never do is to pull the umbilical cord because there is
a huge risk to create a severe haemorrhage and that's exactly
what happened. I lost nearly two litres of
blood. I almost died.
I left Leon's house in Southampton completely grey.
They called the ambulance service, the two paramedics,
they could not find any veins because I was completely already
without blood. I was completely grey.
And Leon really felt, really thought that I was going to die
in his house, like how bad it was.
So they call another paramedics and I remember that I was inside
the ambulance and the paramedics, they are calling for
the nurse. Where is the nurse?
We need to rush his mother to the hospital and she is nowhere
to be found. And the I say to the paramedics,
I need to tell you that what is happening, happening in this my
house, the behaviour of the nurse, I don't know if she heard
it or not, but and then things happen, you know, I don't know
if she's the one that called the social services to distract all
the situation from me putting a complaint against her.
But the fact is that the paramedics they call for her and
they they said you have to come now to the hospital because you
are affecting the service and the mother can die in here.
And she said no, I'm not going to the hospital, I need to go
home. My car, that's actually what she
said as well before my car is wrong parked.
I'm afraid to get a ticket and I need to go home.
My husband is waiting for me and more for the years, four years
old daughter is waiting for me. So I need to go home.
And the paramedic said, no nurse, you are going to the
hospital, you are at the service of this mother and we need to go
now. So there was a battle in there
in between them. And then the the Leon and my son
went on her car because the other paramedic took the car to
the hospital. OK.
So the paramedic, this then demanded her to go to the
hospital with him. And I remember going inside the
hospital and being already very, like, very more on the other
side, such this side, yeah. Yolanda, you, you, I'm going to
say you've astonished me because you, you've told me parts of the
story that, that I, I will say either I didn't pick up at the
time we first spoke. And maybe this was because
you're talking very intimate details here.
Maybe, maybe you didn't talk about those, those details in
quite the depths. But I, I'm going to say I don't
remember this part of the, of, of the story.
And when, when you have just mentioned about pulling on the
placenta, I, I was astonished. I will say to you that I'm, I'm,
of course, I'm retired now, but I'm married to a lady who was a
midwife. So within the family, let us say
that there's quite a lot of knowledge about births in
various circumstances. And, and when you said what you
did, I thought, my goodness, so this is done to you.
And you, you end up in hospital, you've lost a huge amount of, of
blood and I would assume you were semi conscious while you
were actually taken into hospital.
So what what happens when you were in hospital?
What? What did they do for you?
Brian, let me just go back in something that I find that is a
very important detail when me and Leon, we visit the the bird
centre in the forest. Forest is the bird centre near
Southampton. It's now on is anyway, I don't
remember the name now the lady after I said that, you know,
after she said what she said to us, like if, if, if you want to
do not want to do the touch exam in here, this is not the place
for you to to to be. I said to Leon, Leon, it's time
for us to leave because she did ask me what's your midwife's
name? And I found that like, why do
you want to know? Like, what's that got to do with
you? And I didn't say the name.
I didn't provide my surname. But when we are back in the
train, I received a phone call and it was her.
So somehow she did find out who I was and I don't know if she
did. She found out who Leon was and I
don't know what she has got to do with all of these.
So I think it's important details.
I don't know if someone got upset.
This is this is, is very interesting, Yolanda, because
very often in stories around children and problems with
social services, mothers or fathers and fathers talk about,
talk sometimes about strange events, little strange things
that happened that at the time, very often they they didn't,
they didn't put much significance on it or they
didn't think it was important. It was only later when they
started to think through various things that that had happened
that they realised that there were little connections with
strange things. So I I, I'm absolutely paying
attention when you talk about that.
The question for me was, was the birthing centre was was that
part of the doula organisation or was it separate to her?
Is is in a beautiful place of I don't know.
I have Forest Gate is in London, but he's he's in Hampshire and
he's like a forest place. Anyway, the people from
Southampton, they will know when.
The the New Forest was it. It was in the New Forest
somewhere. Yes, I believe yes New Forest
and it is important to say because when I arrive the nurse
she completely she looked like she was a machine speaking, she
was a robot. So today we are going to do this
and we're going PPP and maybe in Portuguese.
And because she had a very strong accent and speaking very
fast, I really wanted to know where I was going to birth my
baby. So I have questions to do and I
really wanted to listen to her. So a way to say to her, OK, can
you speak? Can you slow down speaking?
I didn't say it like that. So what I came up with was, I'm
really sorry, I'm deaf. Would you mind to slow down
please? Speak a bit slower and.
She didn't like it because in a visit through the centre, she
kept saying, oh, where is the deaf one?
Come to here. Don't worry.
Like seriously, you know, I'm working hardly straight.
I'm not used to be treating people like where is the deaf 1,
you know. So there was something in there.
She didn't like it. And anyway, that's, that's,
that's a detail. But I don't know what she did
because she did find out who I was right back in the hospital.
Back in the hospital, I went through a surgery that
fortunately it went well. But later on the the surgeon did
say there was a hard one. And when I came out of the
surgery, the doler was in the air with the Leon and my son was
with Leon on his arms. Now it is important to say that
was well and it was not a patient in savant.
I was the one having having the surgery.
But when I come out of the surgery completely, you know,
still drugged without my glasses like barely understanding what's
happening. Leon told me you'll and I have
to tell you what's going on in here.
The nurses, they have been keeping asking what's our baby's
name and I have explained that we decided to not know this the
the, the gender of the baby. And because I didn't know you
was a baby boy, we had no time to decide the name of the baby.
And it's not wireless. You are on the surgery that I'm
going to decide the name of the baby on my own.
So I did say to them we haven't decided yet.
So they kept asking the name every minute and they were
actually literally bullying Leon in hospital.
And the doddler did see it. It was a witness of what
happened. So I was amazed with my baby.
I was in love with my baby and what Leon told me, I, I start
seeing it myself. The nurses kept coming every 10
minutes asking me, do you have a name for your baby?
Do you have a name for your baby?
And I was like I just said, no, not yet.
I'm still Brian, there is a picture of me and I'm completely
like drugged, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm surviving.
I'm in love with my baby. And I just want to have one
second of peace and they keep coming.
And do you want to put your baby in there like on the on the cot?
I said no I'm fine thanks. Have you breastfed?
They literally just have seen me breastfeeding.
So I was wondering like what are they trying to do?
They saw me breastfeeding him 5 minutes ago.
Why are they asking me if I'm breastfeeding?
And they kept coming and you want to put your baby in the
cot. And I'm like, OK, this is
starting to feel very unsafe in the hospital.
And let me tell you that Leon is on my side and we are in a room
and there is a curtain in the middle of the room.
And the nurse, they kept coming. There is a corridor and it's
very easy in the corridor. They knock the doors.
There is, I have a huge light, white light right on top of me.
And I asked several times, can you turn off the light, please,
because I can't rest. This light is disturbing me and
my baby. No, I don't know how to turn
this off. That was the answer several
times by several nurses. And a very important detail is
that there is no one in the room.
I don't know if there is any door on the other side of the
curtain, Ryan, but I did see there is.
I shaved behind the curtain. I did point you out to Leon and
Leon saw it. So there was a person on the
other side of the curtain and was in silence.
So I don't know if there was someone on the other side trying
to hear any kind of conversations in between me and
Leon, but that was very weird, very weird.
So the environment in there is becoming very unsafe.
It's bullying is horrible. And there is one moment I did
ask, can you provide a chair? We did ask several times.
Can you provide a chair fully on?
Because he's sitting down in there.
It's very uncomfortable. And we have been told that we
need to stay for two nights in the hospital because of the
surgery and they want to check bloods these and that and to see
if I'm well. And then and I, we did ask for
cheerfully on And because it's so uncomfortable for for us and
for him, I'm starting to think that I can't stay in hospital
because it's this, this is horrible.
Like this is making my head in and it seems that they are,
they, they want to trigger me and I'm not going to do it.
I'm, I'm in love with my son. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm in a
peaceful, I'm in a peaceful mind.
But they are really trying to trigger me, like trying to, to
create a reaction literally. So no one brings the chair, no
one turns off the lights. They kept coming for the name
for the baby, asking if the baby is breastfeeding.
So in the middle of the night, I think there was a shift on the
on the nurses and the they provided a long chair, the chair
that rocks to the back for Leon to rest.
And the light is still on. Leon is exhausted, so he closes
his eyes. He's sleeping and I'm with my
baby on my arms. And there is a nurse that comes
in between the chair where Leon is and myself and and she's
right on top of me, literally. She bends down, she bends over
on me. And it is so uncomfortable that
my baby starts crying. Leon wakes up, he sees that he
finds very awkward. And I ask her, do you really
need to be in here? And she said no.
I said OK. So if you don't mind, please
leave. That was horrible.
As soon as she left the room, my baby stopped crying.
Leon did say to me that was horrible.
The energy that came up from that woman was horrible.
In the morning, as soon the doctors, they came to me.
I spoke to the surgeon and I did plead him please I need to
leave. I need to rest at home.
Has been very hard in here to rest.
No one knows how to turn off the light.
The noise in here is horrible. I don't have my glasses.
I need to be in a good place of my mind to take care of my son.
And he said this was actually during the, the, the night when
he came for the visit. And he said, OK, in the morning,
if the blood test is all right, you can just keep drinking lots
of water. If everything is all right, then
you go. Because I did say to the
surgeon, even if you say no, I will leave, I will sign a paper
and I will leave. So in the morning, the blood
test was good. And I have been given the,
what's it called in English, the, the paper, the, the
paperwork that I was, I could leave and I have been given
prescription for the, the, the tablets because, you know, I was
running out of iron and because of the blood that I lost.
We're happy. We took some pictures was a
beautiful sun and we got a taxi and went home.
We went home with the condition that I was going home two rest
because in the hospital I couldn't do it.
Linda, just to clarify, how how long were you in the hospital?
24 hours. So born on the 1st of February
at four AMI believe now I have the 4:00 AM and on the second at
10 AM 10:00-ish I would say we are leaving the hospital right?
Right. We arrive home, Leon starts
cleaning out the house because it seems there was a crime scene
full of blood everywhere and I'm breastfeeding my baby.
I'm taking pictures and I'm speaking with my parents and a
couple of hours after someone knocks on the door and he's not,
he's not knocking on the door because actually he's a intercom
and he's he's only on for a few minutes.
So Leon goes on intercom and someone saying to him I'm a
nurse and I want to see the baby and Leon says Yolanda is a nurse
wants to see the baby and I I just screamed to Leon and I said
no way. The bullying has stopped in
hospital. I came from the hospital to rest
at home. I haven't slept because this was
a couple of hours. So this happens on the 3rd of
February. I haven't slept on that night
and for the time that I'm at home I haven't slept nothing.
You know, nappies and all of that.
And I said to Leon, no say to them, we book an appointment and
we are going to take the baby to to them to see them not in here.
The bullying in here is not happening inside my house.
That was what happened in the hospital.
So Leon, you know, Brian, I'm Portuguese, OK, I'm feisty.
I'm a feisty woman and Leon, you know, obviously today you would
have opened the door, the window, you would have done it
all. You would have done it
completely different. I'm sure in even being a man you
would have taken the things different.
But the way he saw me, he said, can you please book an
appointment And we take the the baby.
The intercom goes off and no one insisted.
And Leon didn't go out to carry on the conversation.
And then we thought, OK, everyone is happy.
Two hours after there was another nurse opened the door
because we want to see the baby. And then he was the midwife that
was seeing me on the NHS. And then Leon said no, Yolanda
just said two hours ago, no, we booked an appointment.
So later on she called and she was speaking to Leon saying that
she was not happy that Leon didn't open the door.
And I said to Leon, please give me the phone.
I spoke to her and I said I'm the one that said no.
We booked an appointment. And she's saying that with
excuse that she wasn't there to provide the things for the bird.
And I said there is no bird. The bird has happened.
You're not bringing the things for the pool now because the
bird has happened. There is no excuse to come to my
home. So Yolanda was was this a
separate nurse you were talking to or the original midwife?
This was the midwife that saw me probably three times in my whole
birth on NHS and. And was that the midwife that
pulled the placenta? I've never seen her ever again.
Oh, actually she went to the hospital while we were still in
there in the morning and she gave the baby boots that was
left on her car. Leon didn't recognise her, I
didn't. And she actually, she might be
like, oh, you don't know who I am, do you?
OK, so this, this, this was another, this was another
midwife that you'd had contact with.
He's a very important midwife because I spoke to her on the
phone. I said I didn't like the
behaviour of the midwife in the home birth.
This has happened. And she said, yeah, there is a
paperwork that you probably have been given now from the hospital
for the complaint. I said I don't want to do any
complaints. I just want to be in peace and
please don't book the the appointment and we're going to
take the baby to, to you to see that as well.
So she actually, she booked an appointment and that Friday
would have been the 5th of February, but she said that she
was fully booked. So she arranged the appointment
for the 12th of February. She never said Unanda.
I'm fully booked on the 5th of February and it's urgent because
he's a newborn. We have to see him as soon as
possible. So let's book something for the
hospital and not in here in the GP or something like that.
I'm a mother from the first run. Leon as well.
She booked an appointment for the 12th of February.
At that time we we would not have him any longer.
You're right. So after, after that phone call,
we thought everything is fine. You know, the appointment is
booked for the 12th of February and everything is fine.
On the day after it knocked on the door.
Sorry, not on the door again on the intercom.
And Leon spoke with a woman with a very strong Indian accent
screaming, shouting, open the door, I want to see the baby.
And she starts speaking in a different dialect that Leon says
I'm English. I don't know if she was speaking
Portuguese or whatever was, but Leon said I'm English.
Can you speak in English, please?
And then she says, open the door, I want to see the baby.
And Leon is like, what's going on in here?
And the way she's screaming and shouting, No one on earth is
going to open a door with a newborn at home, especially
someone saying that he's a professional doctor or a nurse.
No one behaves like that. So the intercom has finished.
Leon said that we have an appointment and and like you are
screaming and shouting what's this going on?
The Intercon has finished the time, she has not rung again and
we're like OK, there is something very weird that
happening here and we decided to Leon Cole, the GP in Southampton
and he's wrong saying, OK, I have been visited by someone
shouting in the GP and then my son is, well, he's going to have
an appointment on the 12th of February.
But yeah, you can come here then and see that the baby is well,
because this is getting very weird now.
Later on, what we know now that they have written on the
paperwork is that Leon called the GP saying that the baby is
unwell. OK.
They know that that is not true because the recordings, they
exist. Yeah.
So a few minutes after the police knocks on our door,
really knocking on the door, and because I was breastfeeding, I
don't have my brow on and I feel very unprotected.
When the police says, can you open the door?
I want to see the baby. I'm like, I never had the police
in my home, What's going on? So I said to him, I'm Naked and
I don't feel comfortable. And I said, OK, that's all
right, get dressed and show me the baby through the window.
Because we are on the ground floor.
We spoke with the policeman on the balcony.
He has the camera on and we spoke to him and we said then he
laughed about the situation and he said I don't know even why
I'm here. The mother is just exhausted.
The mother is just begging to be left in peace with a newborn.
Nothing is happening. And I can see that the baby is
well because even I said to him, you know, I'm going to get the
baby. But the baby is, you can see the
baby is well, I'm going to get him and probably is going to
start crying. He recorded that the baby is
well. He has written on the paperwork
that it was only a misunderstanding.
Yes, let me correct this. It is after that the police that
left that Leon called the GP saying please come and see the
baby because we got very scared. Do you understand?
I'm just doing this correction. Yes.
No, I understand that, yeah. Because the police was in there
now we are like, OK, come and see the baby, everything is
fine. And that's when they put on the
paperwork that the, the he, he, he said that the baby wasn't
well and asking for the the doctor.
So because now we are scared because the police has been in
the house and something very weird is happening.
Someone is very concerned with the baby.
We called Dola and we said to her this has been happening and
because the phone calls, the phone doesn't work very well in
that area. She said OK, I'm going to help
you out, I'm going to get a midwife in here.
Today is Friday and we're going to get a midwife in here and
everything is going to be sorted out, no worries.
So we went to her house so she would deal with all of that for
us when we are leaving the house.
I saw my phone that I had a a voice call and then the phone
was off because, you know, I didn't want to scare my baby
once he was sleeping and the noise is off the phone.
So I hear that and he's actually a voice saying please stay.
Be come to the Southampton Hospital by 5:00 PM.
And this is she did say her name and, and then the telephone
number is 07555 and she gave lots of numbers that the numbers
are wrong. And it sounded very threat.
It did sound like a threat. Something was going to happen if
we wouldn't be there. We did try to run the, the, the,
the telephone was wrong. And at the time that I saw the
voice, the the voicemail, there was no way that in Southampton
at 6-7 ish PM, we could be in the hospital at that time.
So you would sound that we were challenging the authority that
would that was after we have been seeing the police.
Everything was getting at was escalating and it was not.
We were very, very concerned. So we just got nappies,
everything very quick to go to the dollar's house.
Because my instinct tells me that I need to leave my house as
soon as possible. And when I'm inside the taxi, I
say to the driver, please lock the doors.
I don't like to be inside the cars with the doors open.
That was my instinct to tell me and I know why that has happened
because when we're leaving the house and we are right around
the corner, there was a man and a woman, a police coming on the
path, walking down. And if the car was not with was
not locked, I would probably I would scream inside the car and
I would say to the taxi driver just run.
But because of doors that were locked, I felt that I'm fine in
you. The police look at me, we look
at them and we drove inside the taxi.
When we arrived to the daughter's house, I received a
phone call. Yolanda is the police.
Where are you? We are at your home.
I said, Oh my God, what's going on?
Did you not see us? I did see the police, but I
haven't done anything wrong. I don't know.
I didn't know that you were looking for me.
So they have written down the legal term that we have abscond
how serious that is. We were in a friend's home on a
Friday night. Well, I'm, I'm just going to say
at that point, Yolanda, that that the, the expression
abscond. We have to ask some questions
because too abscond, you've got to, you've got to break away
from a place which you should be.
There must be some compelling reason for you to be in a
particular place, whether it's your own home or not.
So what I pick up on that straight away is that that word
has been used deliberately to make it appear as if there was a
reason that you should not leave your own home.
That's my reaction. They have written down that they
have contacted the airports and all of that.
So we are in the dollars house that is still Southampton and
they did track US and when we are just waiting for a pizza
because by all that has happened, I have not eaten
because we're going to have our lunch when the police turn up at
our house. So it was not the pizza actually
it was a social services. But let me tell you what
happened before because it's very important.
The Dola is contacting the midwife and because she's a
Dola, she has lots of contacts. And then she actually, she got
the the chief midwife of Southampton Hospital of the
neonatal service and she's contracting her to come to see
us to see the, our babies well on a Friday night, because there
is concerns with the baby and the, the, the the dollar gave
her address to that midwife because she is in a good faith
And we were contacting as well. Beverly, she's from the
birthrights of the woman's I I can't, I can't say no those
details. So she's the organisation of the
women rights for the, for the parents.
And what she's saying on the phone to the Dola is no parent,
no mother has to go in the hospital on a Friday night when
there is, when the baby is well. And actually if the baby is
unwell, why then they are not wanting the midwife to go to the
Dola's house because that's actually what happened.
The Dola provided her address and then the midwife say the
hospital is in red, red alert insinuating that and and then
she did say that the hospital was not letting her visit the
baby and the parents in the daughter's house.
So there is concerns with the baby but they are not letting
the midwife go and visit the parents and the baby.
So that makes no sense. And if the parents are saying
that the baby is well, there is no reason why a healthy baby
would go to an environment full of sick babies on a Friday
night. This is three, 4:00 in the
morning, right? So they completely ignored.
Please do not go to the hospital.
The Dollar provided the the the dress to the police because we
were in a good faith. And what the Dollar said is we
just asked for the need wife to come and see the baby.
And because we are in a good faith, we want the police to be
in here present to report that the baby is well.
And once the police, they got the address, they turn up at
Dollar's house. They, you know, they bang on the
door. Her husband went and he was told
you have to let us come in inside your house otherwise
you're going to be arrested as well for not letting us to go
inside your house. So they run on the stairs and I
literally I just want a hole to run away with my son.
But there is no holes and we are on the 3rd floor and I just
literally hear the birds of the police and the social services
and my heart knows that something really bad is going to
happen. So the baby is very quiet.
This is recorded. This is available on YouTube.
The baby is quiet sleeping and the social services, they want
us as soon as they see us. There is this type in here.
This is a contract of expectations.
Mum and dad sign and Leon said we are not signing anything.
Oh you have to sign these. No, we don't sign absolutely
nothing. So they want us to go to the
hospital and there is a Chitty shot that there is no reason why
you need to go to the hospital. The baby is, well, the mother
wants to rest and we just tried to explain what happened and
what everything happened and that we're not challenging
anyone and trying to explain that the woman screaming in the
house that we just didn't open, didn't open the door because the
mother wanted to rest it. And the police all over, you
know, but no, they kept saying that Leon called the GP because
the baby was unwell and the police went in there.
You didn't, you didn't want and now you run away, you know,
completely, completely changed. And we just kept trying to
explain that the social service, the woman, she just said, OK,
enough is enough. And this is like already like
6:00 in the morning on a Saturday.
Enough is enough. I'm here to do a job.
And you're going to the hospital with your baby or without your
baby. And the police is in here to
make sure that the baby is going to the hospital.
And obviously we did go to the hospital escorted by the police
inside the police car. The dollar did go with us and
she did manage to contract and midwife that.
She did meet us at the front entrance of the hospital.
And she did see that the baby was well.
And she's a witnesses, a witness and she was contracted and she
did see that the baby was well. And then inside the hospital,
what happened is very important because there is a gentleman,
not exactly a gentleman, but a doctor, a neonatal Dr that did
say to these nurse that we did contract.
And let me tell you that the dollar has been thrown out of
the hospital because when the doctor is speaking to us, she's
recording and he saw the phone. And I don't know if he got
intimidated by the phone or he knew what he was about to do,
that the security came and escorted the dollar out.
Even when she said, OK, I'm stopping recording, that didn't
matter. They thrown out.
So the other midwife was still in there with with us and the
doctor spoke to her privately. And what these doctors said to
her is that he was under the orders of the social services
and he would have to take that baby inside the hospital.
You would have to admit the baby.
And that midwife, my midwife, my witness, she didn't say that to
me. And what she has written down is
that she did say to him, OK, you're going to say that to the
parents, I will let you speak to to them.
But the doctor never said that to us, that he was under the
door orders of the social services.
What he did say is that the baby would have to be admitted now in
the hospital and he said that they would have to do tests with
the baby and everything was going to be all right.
And we had to leave the baby in the cot.
They start putting things on, on him, you know, injecting him
with things. And it was horrible to see the
baby crying. And as soon as we left the baby,
there was the police like right on top of Leon.
And it said to him, if you try to take your baby from the
hospital, you're going to you're going to take it to gaol, you're
going to be in prison. I said, why is that?
I said if you try to take your baby from the hospital, you're
going to be in prison. And Leon, where's the papers?
Why you're taking my baby to the hospital?
What's going on in here? Where are the papers?
Based on what you are doing these, you haven't provided
absolutely nothing. And they said your baby has to
stay in the hospital for 72 hours and if you try to take
your baby out, you're going to be in prison for those 72 hours.
They have not provided no food to lay on, very little food that
have been provided. The little food that have been
provided I have to share with Leon.
This is in February 2016 in Southampton.
E cold in the room, the small room that have been provided to
stay while as my baby is in there.
There was only a bed sheet, a very cold bed sheet.
Brian, I have been tortured. I know I have been tortured.
I had two doctors. Leon was present, one smiling
and sparking and saying it's hard isn't it?
We took our baby from you. There was joy saying those
things while as I was in there. They gave me no peace.
We need to measure the blood pressure.
We need to do this. They kept coming in the room and
measuring the blood pressure. I've been given no time to
sleep. As soon as I got in there, I got
a piece of paper and I wrote, you know, 24 hours, 4872
planning when we're going to leave, at what time.
And I didn't want to fall asleep because I didn't want to know,
get lost on time. And then we are inside that room
and then I'm speaking to Dola and I'm saying the recordings
I'm recording. And as soon as I said that the
word recording, someone knock on that door in that room and they
asked, Yolanda, are you doing some recordings?
And then I knew they were listening in their room.
And now I have to try to find a way to say to Leon that I know
that they are listening because I was speaking to the DOLA and I
said, mention the word recording and they came ask for the
recordings. And now I know, Brian, that Leon
is going to start, probably wondering if I'm losing the plot
by saying that the Big Brother is listening.
I'm afraid and concerned that my own partner thinks that I'm
going. Mental Yolanda, as as you are
telling this story and I'm I'm deliberately being quiet.
I'm not asking you too many questions because I don't want
to break the flow of, of what you're telling the audience.
But as you are telling the story, there are, there are a
number of things that you've already said and it's like a
little tick in a box for me. And what I mean by that is that
over the years I've, I've, I've dealt with a number of families
who have gone through some horrible processes with social
services and, and things you have said the way that the, this
case is building, some of it follows a template and I can, I
can tick something off. So I, I wanted to share that
with the audience. But also, of course, we haven't
just got social services at work here.
We've got the police and we've also got what's happening inside
an NHS hospital. And I've also interviewed a
number of people over the years who've experienced very, very
strange things going on inside a hospital along these lines, even
when a baby or a a child hasn't been, hasn't been involved in
the circumstances under which they're in hospital.
So I'm going to invite you to, I'd like to invite you to keep,
to keep going. But I want to reassure you that
me being silent doesn't mean I'm not paying attention because I
absolutely AM. And for the audience, if there's
anybody out there thinking, well, this sounds a very strange
story. Absolutely.
It's a strange story, but one I know that you are giving a
factual account as as to what's happened, albeit now many years
ago. But also for me, this is another
story about how ultimately social services conspire with
other authorities such as the police and the NHS in order to
take not only newborn babies away from their parents, their
mothers, but also can be very young children or indeed it can
be older children. But I, I think that's enough for
me to say at that point. So take us back into into what
happened. So in that room later on in
during the day, Leon kept asking for the paperwork and they
wouldn't give no paperwork, absolutely nothing.
We don't know why we are in there.
We don't know why the police has been involved.
We haven't done nothing wrong. We tried to keep explaining
every, every detail, but no one really wants is interested to to
understand the situation. The dollar did go on the day
after to give us food because we did say that no one provided any
food. And then they tried to block her
from the hospital and they don't let us even speak too hard.
They, they completely, they literally, they isolated us.
And Leon even is afraid to leave the room to get food because
he's afraid that they don't let him come in to stay with me.
So as soon Leon is trying to speak with Dolan, they, they,
I'm alone. The the doctors come at me and
saying that they want to make a meeting.
And on that meeting what happens is that they are trying to take
me to the psychiatric award. And I said I'm aware.
Oh well. And I want to stay with my son
and they keep trying to put me move me to a psychiatric award.
And it's because I kept saying no, I'm fine.
And Leon says Yolanda is saying that she is fine, that somehow
they didn't do it. They they didn't do it by force.
And on that meeting, these two doctors, they do ask me, do you
have a window in your room? And my mum later on, after all
of that, she did say, Ubanda, you were being invited to jump
on that window. When they asked me if I had a
window in my room, I didn't know what to say.
Like are they trying to judge my psychiatric, my, my, my, my, my,
my mind? There is a window in the room.
Do I say yes? Do I say no?
Why is that important? Like there is a window in the
room. They know there is a window in
the room, but I'm like, this is very weird.
And my mum was saying to me is that, yeah, they were trying to
invite you once you have the window in the end, because the
situation is hard, just jump. So that meeting finished and
when we go inside the room, there is a woman smirking, very
happy. And we think, OK, the things
that are going to sort out, but no, she's smirking.
She says you are going to be in court in 10 minutes.
And we're like what? In court?
So we go inside the room. I received a phone call and hi,
Yolanda. I'm, I'm a lawyer and it just
happens to me to be in court and it just happens that your, your
case is in court and I have noticed that you don't have a
lawyer. Would you like me to be your
lawyer? I said, Oh yes, please.
I don't know what's happening, but yes please.
Sorry Yolanda, this lawyer had just appeared in the hospital.
Hi there on a phone call. On a phone call, right?
Somehow he has my phone number. And in my mind, I'm like, in
Portugal, the people, they have time to find lawyers.
They just don't receive lawyers that happen to be in court
without the case and available. I know that this is in my mind,
everything is so weird. But yeah, in 10 minutes we
receive a phone call saying that they were in court and they were
actually deciding my future life, my son's life.
But the the judge in case he did say I want to see the parents.
I don't know where the parents are.
So we are going to postpone these to another case.
And parents, can you come to here?
I'll say, Oh yes, I'll go. Yeah, I'll go.
I don't know which court. I don't know where is the court.
This is in Southampton. If it's in London, I haven't
been told. I slowly, nothing.
I don't know. Nothing, I don't know.
I don't know nothing. And I'm with a smile because
it's it's it's like this is a scary movie.
So the phone call was was was off and we're like, what's
happening? And kept asking for paperwork
and nothing. And then I'm told by the police
that now you have to stay another 72 hours.
So it's not just the first 72 hours.
You have to stay another 72 hours.
And there is a policeman that has written on the paperwork
that is abuse of power. He has never heard about 72
hours on top of another 72 hours.
But the issue is because the first judge that they did go to
didn't see the parents. He didn't want to do the job, so
they were trying to find a judge.
This is what we wonder now. And because the baby is well on
those 72 hours and the doctor that is in there that says that
the baby is well because what they did to him to to imprison
my son in the hospital and for them to know that I was not
going to take him from there. They put him under the lights,
the blue lights. So he's with the ECG.
And if I try to take my baby from there, that is going to
beep. So they're going to know that
we're trying to take him. So they put under the blue
lights that probably there was even no need for it.
But what the doctor, the one that said it was under the
orders of the social services, what he did on the report was
that the baby was at serious risk of brain damage, so he
needed that treatment. And what was the basis for a
serious risk of brain damage? I suppose he was just under the,
the, the, the social services, the orders of the social
services because he said that the baby was hydrated, that's
all. And that he, he was with, you
know, that brownish collar that is normal when the baby is
actually, they breastfeed. So it's completely normal.
What's it called? The Jaundice.
Jaundice. Yeah.
The, the, he didn't write that the jaundice was a severe
jaundice and and he had to do that treatment.
But the, my, my midwife when saw the baby has written down that
the nappies, they're wet. The jaundice is normal.
And then, you know, was the 5th day and the jaundice always
comes up on the 5th day. So, and you know, we, everything
was fine or everything was just an excuse to keep the baby in
there. They, they, there is a, there is
a doctor in there that says to me, Yolanda, you cannot
breastfed your baby because your milk is not good.
I said no, my milk is good. And actually I'm doing very
well. So I'm going to breastfeed him.
No, otherwise actually you have to prove that you have good
milk. You have to pump.
I think, I don't know now how much she did say has been nearly
nine years, but I have everything written down.
I think she did say like you have to pump 10 meals of milk,
Brian, that's a lot. No woman would have to pump 10
pills of milk to prove that she has milk.
But because I was doing actually very well, I did 10 meals of
milk and with all my strongest because I was alone, because
they have thrown Leon out of the hospital because he had asked
for paperwork and that doctor said that he was rude.
So now I was alone in the hospital and with all the
strength that I had in my heart, I did say to her, I have 10 mils
of milk. I have proven to you enough that
I have milk and I breastfeed him because they wanted me to to to
give formal to him. So all my rights.
They were being completely taken out and then while I was with my
baby waiting for another 72 hours to finish or something to
happen for them to say that we could leave because it was well
now even the doctor said that the baby was well, you could go.
So we just for you just to understand, like I had a bottle
of water that dropped it on the floor and someone said don't
drop, be careful. Don't drop your baby on the
floor like you just dropped the bottle of water.
So I had the police looking at me, I had the security, all the
men in there looking at me with guns and I had just my baby and
I just wanted to go home and we were waiting something to
happen. We don't know what.
And then at the end of the day on the 9th of February, on the
9th of February, because we went to the hospital on the 5th of
February. And on the 9th of February
around 7:00 PM as social services came with a huge amount
of paperwork and said because my baby is in the in the cot, they
don't let let me stay with my baby in that meeting room.
There is a lot of police outside.
And in that meeting room they give us the paperwork and they
asked me, do you want to say goodbye to your baby?
I said goodbye to my baby. What do you mean with that?
But we're going to take out your baby from you.
I said no, my baby's not going anywhere.
No, this is the paperwork. And now you have to go through
the paperwork and you need to get a lawyer and this.
And then I said to Leon, Leon, often we're like shitty chatting
and Leon, let's go and say goodbye to him because they are
going to take him. And they said, you could say, do
you know I want to say goodbye to him?
You left the hospital already. Babies that they are well, they
cannot stay in sick environments.
And then we were escorted out of the hospital like dogs by the
police, by the the security of the hospital.
And we returned home in silence, without my baby.
Yeah, Yolanda. Yeah.
On the day after, we were told that on the day after we were
going to receive a phone call saying a meeting point to visit
my baby. And I'm thinking like, this
looks like a movie. They're going to give an address
in the middle of somewhere and on the day after they rung
saying actually, we don't have a room.
So today you cannot see your baby.
So now we're going to give you a plan of dates for you to come
and visit your baby for a couple of minutes.
But before you have to sign a contract of expectations.
And if you don't sign that paperwork, you are not going to
see your baby. And now we are deciding if your
baby is going for adoption or if he's going back to you.
Am I adoption? Me.
He has the mother. He has the father.
I have grandparents. Leon has his mother.
I have never heard about a baby going for adoption with family.
But actually the paperwork asking for his adoption was done
on the 5th of February when he was still with me, when no
doctor would have seen if he was well or unwell.
Let me tell you as well that all the paperwork what they have
against us is only emotional future emotional risk of harm.
And they they do mention MMS, but it is not a crime and they
even have written down. So Leon has interest for MMS,
it's massive mineral solution and it seems is not very good
for the Pharmaceutical industry probably or you know, people
healing and things doesn't give probably much money.
So that problem is an issue for many people.
And I don't know how how much that has been actually the
reason for all of these. I only can tell you that now,
years after one day when I woke up, I, I was, I, I got an, an
idea from my dream and it was like a wreck a moment because
one day when I was pregnant. And on that day when we went to
visit the midwife and the midwife is to the right in
Southampton. And if we only go to that road,
if you were going to go to see the midwife, otherwise we would
go north to the town centre or South.
And on that day when we went to the midwife, there was actually
in there the black van. And when we walk past that black
van, it came up, the journalist from BBC Leon, Leon.
Leon and Leon run out on the streets because he did not want
the journalist near me. And after they did a heat a heat
defamation on him saying that he was using bleach with babies.
Just so that I've got this correct, Yolanda, so this was
one of your early visits to, to the, to the midwife.
There've been no other problems. So you're pregnant and you're,
you're, you're going to see the midwife.
And on one of those visits, the BBC ambushed Leon over his,
we'll call it, campaign work with regard to MMS.
And Leon, I did shout to Leon because Leon was running, they
came after us when actually was a red light for the passengers.
So he crossed the road. You, you he was like running on
the middle of the streets with the cars.
And I did shout to him, Leon in the GP, in the GP.
So we went inside the GP and the journalist did not went on top
of him because he was inside the GP.
And it's only years after that. I'm like, did they know that I
was pregnant? Did they plan this defamation
piece so the people that will not supporters, did they know
that I was pregnant because I was single?
I have not given Leon Edwards as the name of the father because
he was doing MMS and I know what he was doing.
But I thought if they're going to do something bad, they're
going to do bad at him. They're going to imprison him.
I'm the mother. I haven't committed no crime.
If he has committed a crime, please imprison him.
But don't take my baby from me. I'm the mother and my baby has
grandparents. What's the crime that I have
committed? What's the crime that my son has
committed and Leon has not committed?
The crime. We have been in inside the
police. We asked to the Portuguese
government for help. They have provided no help.
I did a massive campaign in Portugal.
I have been everywhere on the TVI have been in the front cover
of the most important magazine, the political magazine in
Portugal. I've spoken face to face with
the President of Portugal and that moment was captured by the
TV Live. That was news.
I did a massive campaign. I joined lots of Portuguese
mothers and it was made a huge documentary that was very high
in the views in Portugal. And the Portuguese people, they
got to know that England kidnaps babies for forced adoption.
Because I made other mothers to speak up and to share their
stories. And my baby name became the name
more used in 2016. Yolanda, you, you've, you've
given us an absolutely incredible story.
And I'm going to stick by my comments that as you were going
through it, there were various things which for me, because
I've heard it from other mothers, it's almost like I can
tick a box. 1 of the things that you thought that you said and I
thought was particularly significant was when you were
clearly being challenged over breastfeeding and what I learnt
in dealing with another mother. Another case a little while ago
is that if the social services ultimately intend to take a baby
away from a mother, they will very often try and stop
breastfeeding as soon as possible, force the natural
mother to to go on to feeding by by bottle.
But this is almost a technique. Well, it's been suggested to me
by a midwife that this is actually a technique to start
breaking the bond between the the mother and her own baby.
So there were other things that you you've said which I thought
were very, very significant, but I don't want to, I don't want to
stop your train of thought. So you've taken the audience
very carefully through all of the things that happened up to
the point that you're now into the court system and paperwork
is is going to and fro. So tell us, tell us what
happened as this as this bizarre story moved into the family
courts in UK. Brian, I'm actually, I've
decided while as you're speaking, I have decided to
share something with you that have never done it before public
publicly because people sometimes can be mean and can
judge. But I'm going to provide that
information to you and to your audience.
Once a mother has been told, like I once I have been told
that you have to pump milk, I'm put on a position of learning to
use a machine that is actually hurting my breast and that is
actually doing something psychologically that is so nasty
that. When the woman that is
explaining to me how the machine works and going through all the
process, I'm actually only watching her lips moving and I
cannot understand what she's saying.
And when I'm told to pump milk again, the 10 mils of milk, I
have to use that machine again and I cannot even stay with my
baby on my arms. What I want to share with you is
that the psychiatric, they say one thing, the psychologist,
they say another thing, the spiritual world says another
thing. What I want to say to you is
that my mind and my body that's separated while as I'm using
that machine, the torture was so bad that I believe the spiritual
world has protected me while as I was doing while as I was
through that torture. And the the machine has got a,
I'm going to use the word psychological.
It's got a psychological element to it.
It's it's breaking that intense physical bond between a a mother
and a newborn baby, but it's all it's also got a physical aspect
in that for you that it was it was painful to use to use a
breast pump. It's horrible.
Psychological torture is actually what you have already
touched on several times in in your story.
You, you haven't, you haven't described it as that, but when
you talk about officials who are lying, they're not telling the
truth. You have one set telling you one
thing, another set of professionals telling you
another thing, and they're certainly not being kind to you.
They're talking to you in a very authoritative way.
They're bullying you. They are demeaning you, they're
undermining you. This is actually the application
of psychological manipulation in it's in it's simple sense, but
actually because of the intense pressure and stress and anxiety
that places you under, I think it is perfectly reasonable to
say that you're actually being psychologically tortured and
they were using your baby and the and your relationship with
your baby in order to do that to you.
And I was sleep deprived. I was sleep on the 9th of
February. I was sleep deprived since the
31st of January. And I did say that several
times. And I was completely ignored
that sleep deprivation is the worst form of torture since
ever. And also the other bit that goes
with it, Yolanda, which I, I noted is that they didn't want
to turn that light off. And of course, that is because
even if you do get to sleep with a, a light on a bright light,
you don't get quality of sleep. But actually a bright light very
often will stop people going to sleep.
So they they were, they were not subduing, they were not reducing
the lighting in the in the room, which would have been a calming
thing, particularly for a newborn baby.
They were keeping that bright light on and there was a reason
for that. And the room that was provided
for me to stay while as my baby's in the hospital is right
opposite to the lockers room of the nurses.
So every what, 3 hours, the shifts they change the lockers
so there is no quiet, no peace. So once they take the baby from
us, we, we were told that on the 19 of February we are going to
be in court. We were told that we could not
have the same lawyer. But actually on the paperwork
he's written that we did not want to have the same lawyer and
we had to rush and get lawyers. They are obviously from the
government. We don't have money, you know,
and no time and we had to rush and just get one that is
actually available. And in court, what happened is
that I'm in the room and I'm actually just speaking to the
not the lawyer because my lawyer didn't turn up in the court and
then didn't even say to me he didn't think that was important.
So I'm just meeting embarrassed for the first time and I'm just
telling everything. And then we go to the court and
everything that was said that we're going to do, like saying
that I'm Portuguese, I have my parents there in Portugal, that
the baby and moving the situation to Portugal because
I'm Portuguese. None of that has been told in
court. We're told that we're going to
speak to the judge. Judge never spoke to us.
So nothing that was planned actually was made.
So they were actually decided in my life, but nothing that was
really important was being said. In the meanwhile of the court,
when there was a break, I go to the room with my barrister and
Leon is with his barrister and the lawyer and my barrister says
you land a sign in here, sign in here against Leon.
And if you sign the judge, my conceder, my conceder, to give
the baby to you, I'm like, what against Leon?
I know who Leon is. Leon never did anything wrong.
What the hell is this? I'm able to choose a good father
for my own son. This is really wrong.
Why my barrister is doing this instead of going to court and
saying she's Portuguese No. So I rush the room.
I go to Leon's room that is with his lawyer and his barrister and
I said Leon, they want me to sign against you.
And his meeting suddenly just stops.
They jump out of the room very quick and Leon says to me, they
were telling me my, my lawyer was telling me that you just had
sign against me. Oh my, Oh my God.
Our own lawyers, barristers, they were conspiring against us.
Yolanda, there's something else here.
And, and if I may, I'd, I'll bring this in that, that it is
very, very common that an early tactic by social services, when
social services are targeting a family or a couple for the
child, very early on, they will try and break the bond between
the husband and the wife or the, or the partners.
And so when, when you started to say that to me, I knew exactly
what was coming. So I'm going to say to you, I'm
saying to the audience that this is an absolute standard tactic
and what they're doing, why they do it is because of course if
you have a couple that are working together, they stay
strong, they support each other. Mum and dad have got an inherent
strength in the relationship and so if they can break that
relationship early, it's much easier to subsequently take the
child. Sometimes couples will succumb
to it. They give in and they say OK,
and maybe the mother is allowed to keep the child for a while on
her own. But invariably as time goes
past, they will then go to get the child off the mother.
And of course, she's more vulnerable because then she's
completely isolated and on her own.
So you are describing things which I'm echoing back to you
and I'm talking obviously to the audience to say that what what
Yolanda is talking about here absolutely real.
And there are hundreds there, I believe thousands of couples
where the same technique has been used on them.
But what a coincidence, Yolanda, that that you should you should
go into that room and of course spoil the plot because Leon was
being told a rather different story.
And but they were dealing with a loyal couple and my son is a
result of love. And obviously I didn't do what
the other mothers they usually they do they Oh yes, I'm going
to get that chance. Then I'm going to try that way.
Obviously I knew because if they are saying that I don't even
know how to choose a man for to be a father of my son.
I asked. Obviously I'm not a good mother
either and that is not the circumstances.
Like Leon is a good man. I know exactly who Leon is.
He's a good man and has not committed no crime.
And we we stick together. So basically after that
situation, they, they postpone the to another court and, and
they, they move the, they move the our son to another visit
centre much further away, more than one bus driver away, more
than one hour away on a bus like really, really far away to make
everything harder and harder. And on the visit centre was lots
of babies and you have to be in that room 15 minutes before then
the baby goes and then you have to stay in there.
So just to make sure that you're not going after them.
It's lots of locker rooms. You know, it's like a movie like
you. You can see the actual
trafficking. And again, it, it is
psychological torture. That's what the mothers and
fathers described to me to, to, to go into a very cold, a very
austere location in order to see your own child.
And then very often there are restrictions.
Some, some of the mothers are told that they're, they're not
allowed to say to their own child that they love them.
So you you have a child taken away from you when you are
allowed to see that child in a contact set at sorry contact
centre setting. You're not even allowed to
cuddle the child or say that you love them.
Yes, you're not. My baby was a baby and I was
being told that I was not even allowed to cry.
So the situation happens and we are, we are told by a friend,
actually Judge David Wynn Miller, American.
And he's, he says to her that you make, you need to make the
case public because this is child trafficking.
And the only way that we can actually get your baby back is
that if you make the case public and then they will go back and
they give you the, the baby back.
But actually, I think they were very scared and they made us a
lesson to everyone. And actually what the judge has
written down it is. It is important to stress,
however, that no court has made any findings on those local
authority allegations because they even have made blood tests
saying that the baby has not been given no bleach.
And this judge from the High Court of London he has written
down there is a very real danger that by continuing with their
current Internet campaign they will only achieve the very thing
they profess to be trying to avoid, permanent separation from
their son. So basically we were punished
because we scream for help publicly.
You you're punished for that screen for help, but you're also
punished if you don't. So in the contact centre, a
mother is told she's not allowed to cry, but if the mother
doesn't show any emotion, she's then criticised as being cold
with her own child. The key weapon used by these
authorities is psychological manipulation.
And a question for you, at the stage that the case is going
through the family courts, what is the baseline for the
continued removal of of? Is it the risk of future
emotional harm or have they moved on to a new accusation?
In court I have heard the judge asking the local authority you
have questions related to the mental state of the mother and
he did answer. We have seen her CV, she has
worked in narrowly St. We are not going in that way
anymore. Sorry, say that to me.
To me again. I didn't.
I didn't quite understand what you said.
That the judge is asking the local authority if they still
are wondering about my psychiatric capacity and his
answer is we have seen her CV, we are no longer on that path.
OK. So, so the inference was that
because you you've got a professional CV that actually
you're of professional, some professional social standing and
therefore they didn't think that they could be trying to make out
that you had some sort of psychiatric problem.
Yes. Let me tell you, Brian Garish,
that the guy the, the, the priest, the highest priest of
England, the one that put the crown on the king, King Charles,
he was my patient in early St. So, you know, I'm very proud of
my professional path and I have studied English and I have
Cambridge certificates from the University of for my English
because I was dealing with private patients and I want to
be proud of my English. And now I'm sometimes in
Portugal, I'm asked by the English if I'm actually English
because of my accent. So yes, I'm very proud of my CV.
Yes, quite right. OK.
So. So how long does this court
process go on for? They did say that the end line
would be the 10th of June 2016, but they have written down that
once the case was public they had to rush out and they did
they shorten out the time. And, and the UK column, you, you
made contact with us or Leon made contact with us and we, we
reported on this case, I think it was in April 2016.
But, but of course, at that stage you were living the case.
And so I, I, I perceived, I, I could understand and I've, I,
I've of course understood this with other cases that it's so
difficult for the parents to know which direction to go into.
Because sometimes publicity can be helpful in that it, it alerts
the public, it does put the courts under pressure, but
alternatively, it can actually cause them to become more
vicious in, in how they treat you.
And, and so I did understand that when we were initially able
to speak to Leon about the case, that, that it was still
difficult for you as a couple to, to understand quite what was
the best way to go. And, and the other thing which
goes with it is who to trust, because you are very quickly in
a world where you learn you can't trust a lot of people.
You can't trust social services, you can't trust your own legal
team, you can't trust the police and you can't trust other
members of the public that step forward and say they want to
help. Most of them do, but some of
them don't. So you live in a very difficult
world to try and pin down what's the best route to go.
So, so I've interjected a bit there, but so the pressure comes
on the courts, What, what do they do then as they realise
that this, this case is becoming public?
So we did had Daily Mail at our home taking pictures and taking
our story, but after they were told that they could not
publish, they were not allowed to publish.
They were told that by the courts.
Yes, because there was. What's it called?
Restriction on it, well, it might have been AD notice, but
normally it's it's a a reporting restriction under the family
court rule rules. Yeah, now I'm missing actually
the the the the word, but is the.
I know I is missing the legal term, but is interjection, Yeah.
Anyway, so it's basically saying you're not allowed to speak on
publicly on social media, none of that.
Otherwise you're going to be arrested.
We're going to take the your money from the from your bank
and all, all of injunction. So the the family court took an
injunction against you and Leon. And the The Daily Mail was not
able to publish the case because of that injunction.
And the the injunction was also indicating that they would take
money from your bank account. I've never heard that before.
Yes. So Sue Reed, she has not
published the case on the Daily Mail and she gave us the
information that she knew that Southampton and it seems is the
top cherry of UK on kidnapping babies has done it for more than
20 years. And actually Southampton
Hospital is called a very special hospital, has a special
name is is where legally is where money is dumped the
babies. So basically they could actually
said that was actually abandoned by the mother.
So it is all legal. It's a very no, I don't I don't
have that name now. But anyway, I want to share to
your audience as well is that my court procedure had more than
one court case and that obviously that is a breach of
evidence. I want to say as well that there
was one court case that the paperwork had the date of the
8th of April, 2016 and the paperwork was inviting us to go
to the court on the 1st of April.
Yeah, on the past the date of the paperwork was the 8th, but
on the court on the 1st of and that paperwork I will share with
you, I don't know if you can see it.
That was very dodgy, full of mistakes, was full of mistakes.
And even the logo is different. The logo is different, the lots
of mistakes, very dodgy paperwork.
The paperwork for me was the 1st of April for him was the one
space 1, not 11 because they don't write 11 like that is 1
space one. And when we share that to the
judge, David Wynmiller, he said that paperwork, they're going to
imprison you. You are going, they are inviting
you to go to a place that is not a court, that is not paperwork,
that is all fraudulent papers, because we never have been
provided paperwork signs by the, the, the, the, the the courts.
There is nothing. Yolanda, did you just say that a
judge warned you of that? This is David Wynn Miller.
It is Leon has studied that and is grammar.
I cannot. I cannot.
No, I, I, I, I understand, I understand what you're talking
about. I, let let me say this to you,
is that when, when I initially started work with families and
I, I tried to help them as a Mackenzie friend, I also learnt
because as a Mackenzie friend I could go into the family court
hearing. So it was a two way process.
I was trying to help, but I was also learning.
I come from a professional background, albeit in the
military, but but I was astonished when I started to
read court documents which were full of spelling mistakes.
They were full of mistakes in grammar.
They were full of just amazing errors.
But after a while I came to the conclusion that these were not
errors at all. I came to the conclusion that
these were deliberate mistakes or, or strange expressions
within grammar, for example, English grammar.
And they were done because essentially this this was people
communicating with each other through official documents.
That was my personal conclusion. And I'm very interested in what
your response to that is. You may agree or you may
disagree. So David Wynn Miller is made a
judge. He's not a judge of a lawyer by
the law, not by the theatre that exists in the court, in the
system. He's made a judge himself
because he studies quantum grammar and he uses the correct
sentence structure, communication process, syntax,
grammar and he uses that to rescue children.
And he has done it that in Australia he has helped children
to be rescued from that system. The corrupt, the corrupt system.
But because there is issue with UK and with the Queen and
because he made he caused several arm to UK, it was not
possible to go to UK. So whilst we are actually in
court in communication with him and we put a paperwork asking
and I did ask, give me the correct sentence structure, you
know, is the the I can go through my paperwork and and
share it, you know, while wireless Finder things.
And basically what I'm saying to the judge and I did ask and Leon
did it as well. And why does he say those words?
Then he has been thrown out of the court.
And basically what we said is gave us the correct paperwork
written in the correct grammar that shows that we have
committed any crime. Otherwise give us our baby to
us. And because we put this
paperwork in court, we have been thrown out of the court and very
weird. The judge came out, actually she
didn't came out to the court because I provided those
paperwork to the what's it called, the woman in the court,
the. Clerk.
The clerk. Yes.
Once I gave that to the clerk and she asked me is this a
threat? I said no, he's educational.
And then very weird the court didn't happen so very high
profile. So they did that very quick and
because this happened, because we are coming from London doing
this paperwork, we arrive in South London and there is
paperwork under the door. Like as always, all the
paperwork from port was always under the door.
There is nothing gone through the the post office, nothing at
all. Nothing is signed.
It usually, it usually arrives very late, maybe hours before a
court hearing, and it often arrives on a Friday.
Yes. So the paperwork was done on the
Friday. This is Sunday early.
We rung him saying they want us in court tomorrow because it is
a final court and they want to send our baby for adoption.
And we did go and we did ask for the correct sentence structure
parser for all of that. And we have been thrown out of
the court and we haven't seen our baby since, ever again,
since the 4th of March 2016, the last time that we saw him in a
visit. And what have they used?
Yeah, future emotional arm of risk and all the paperwork.
Nothing is signed is is is all is let me I don't know.
Should I share a picture of the judge I have in my website?
OK so I believe this is just this.
When they use the robes is always a bit different.
She's just as she's the one that did all the paperwork.
Yes. And I I've I've heard, I've
heard about her from other cases.
Since she's the nasty one and this is the one that is
involved, this is just as the one involved in the High Court
that said they haven't committed no crime, but because they made
the case public, they're going to be punished.
Yes, they are terrified of people.
Yes, yeah, yeah. I would like to share the image
of the live life claim that we made based on these.
So he's not, we didn't do a birth certificate for him.
He's not the property of the state.
He's our property, you see. So he's a live life claimant
with the things that we learned from the judge, David Van
Miller, you see later on the the social worker, she did the birth
certificates for him without the father name.
Court documentation, the manipulation of the
documentation, special languages codes.
I absolutely believe this is happening.
So I I haven't, well, I don't think I've heard of of, sorry.
Was it Daniel Miller before David?
David. But but I, I.
And porcelain has happened, something very, very important
because it has been proven to us what the judge, David Wynmiller
was saying. It was happening and it was
about the different planes. When I'm in the government and I
made an appointment to speak with the minister of Foreign
Affairs, they did say put them in the plane in the in the step
room. Sorry.
In in the what room? Step room.
Step. Step room, Yeah, a room with a
square on it. So there is.
You go inside the room and usually it's all in the 11
field. One plan plane, yeah.
Yes. That room had like a step and it
was in a different level, so different levels.
And and where were Where were you?
What? What?
What was the location? An office inside the Portuguese
government of the foreign. Affairs.
How interesting. That to me sounds Masonic.
So the things when when, when a Prime Minister is speaking to an
audience, he's always been given a square different plane.
The judge is in a different plane.
When the judge is on the court, they say all rise.
So all of these, we were taken to a different room to deal with
that. And then what happened in that
room? It's very interesting because
we're speaking about the case in the one field 11 level and the
guy when was speaking to us, you went to the different level and
then we jumped to the same level and he came out of the level.
So the conversation was always trying to not being on the same
level. And of course, the English
expression is, if you're telling the truth, that you're, you're
on the level. So what we were being told by
David Van Miller and the paperwork that I always do and I
keep doing, he always has the same number, the procedure
number put by the the the postal.
We put a stamp, we autograph, not sign because we are dead.
We autograph and on the back of the paper is always my autograph
as well. And when I met in Portugal, the
president of the Council, the Council of Figueredo the 4th,
where I'm from, I went to see him because he was the president
of the Council, because he was a judge with speciality in women
trafficking. And I tell him, I did say to
him, now you have responsibility because I came to you.
I got the case to you because you are a judge, because you are
the president of the council. And I'm from here and I'm asking
help from you and what you did to the paperwork when you
received the paper that I gave to him, he put like that on the
table, but my autograph was still in there, so.
Yeah, but he turned it face down.
He turned face down like that? Yes, I.
I my autograph is still on the top and is this small details?
They are not details. It's not a coincidence.
No, it's not a coincidence and I I have learnt of of paperwork
being turned over before from other families.
We assumed that when it was turned over it I can't see it,
it doesn't exist. Exactly, exactly.
We did all the paperwork like David Windmill.
We spoke, we sent to the United Nations, we sent to the Vatican.
There was Moto pro pros, Moto propri.
We, we did all that paperwork. You know, I very interesting.
I'm living in Portugal, not in the area of my address, but I
did receive on the area where I'm on a letter from a private
detectives in Portugal from paperwork from the English
court, so they let me know we know where you are.
Right, Yeah. And again, this, this is this is
not unusual. I many years ago, I, I dealt
with a lady, a French lady who'd been married to an Englishman.
He, he was clearly abusive with the children, 2 girls, 2 little
girls. And eventually to her surprise
in the court battle, she was allowed to take the children
back to France. And she thought basically they
were going to be safe in France because she had the girls.
And ultimately what happened was one day she got a letter from
the from the local judge telling her to bring the girls into his
chamber. And she said I knew what was
going to happen when she took the girls.
She said I if I didn't take the girls, the police would come.
So I at the moment she was in his chambers, the girls were
taken off her and they were subsequently flown back to
England and given to the abusive family.
But there were occasions when she had effectively tried to
hide in parts of France and this sort of thing happened that, you
know, they, they, it was as though she was being told, we
know, we know where you are. But when after we made the case
public, I did ask for the help of the Portuguese Council, like
straight away later on in video that I recorded and I made it
public, she didn't like it. What's actually she's saying is
that do everything that the social services, they are saying
they wanted to do the psychological tests we didn't
do, you know, everything goes on borderline personality disorder.
And then I organised the protest in Portugal and I decided that
I'll be stronger in Portugal with the media if I was there.
So I, we, we booked the flights last minute and we've flown to
Portugal not knowing if we're going to be able to go out
because the police could block us on the airport.
But once in Portugal, then I have been told by a journalist,
I know her name and she, is, she, she writes to the
Portuguese, a newspaper here in Portugal.
The English lady, I got her contact saying if you go back
into England, you're going to be arrested.
And she did the first article good on us.
And the other two, they were nasty.
And now a few moments ago I did watch a video saying that in
2018 Russia has arrested 400 people for writing things on
social media and England has arrested 3300.
One thing I know for sure is that children always start
looking for their parents. There is no child who who come,
who comes to know that their parents are not their real
parents that doesn't start looking for their for their real
parents. And, and of course youngsters
are very good on social media and anything, everything is
possible on social media and. I'm I'm always and the the
energy, you know, you know that if I think about you, you're
going to text me. You know that that happens and
I'm always thinking about him and I create an environment.
There is aunties online thinking about him, you know, a post
thing I share for other children.
If I'm doing for other children, I know that those families they
think about as well. So you know, Brian, the fact
that the Portuguese government made that movie only shows the
importance that I have. The fact was the name more used
in 2016 and has never been common in Porto.
Never. I hope that the Portuguese, they
heard me.