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None. 
Stephen Young, thank you for 

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joining me in the trenches. 
You're very welcome, good to be 

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here again. 
I chatted recently to Jeff 

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Berwick and he said trenches, 
What trenches? 

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What information war? 
Really. 

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He's like, I'm not part of any 
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trenches. 
Well, that's not how I feel, I 

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guess. 
Shots fired at me like on the 

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regular, like I feel, I feel it.
Yeah, you're definitely in the 

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trenches, aren't you? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I mean, it's, you know, I mean, 
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conflict. 
I was an artist, so I would 

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avoid conflict at all costs 
because I just wanted to get on 

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with creating. 
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you down and bogs you down. 
So I was not into conflict. 

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But then after I've reached my 
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a lot of conflict. 
And I've just kind of gotten 

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used to. 
I started going to the gym and 

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stuff, and that kind of pumps me
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sort of ready to deal with any 
heavy lifting I have to do 

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during the day in terms of, you 
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e-mail and stuff. 
But yeah, it's fine. 

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It's just part of life now. 
I'm quite a fan of the gym. 

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I actually set up my own gym at 
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go to the gym and wait for, you 
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squat rack to become available 
that are starting to get very 

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annoying. 
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I mean, I go between 8:00 and 
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the quietest time, but if you go
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it's so busy that it's kind of 
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What do you do at the gym? 
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I like, I like the boxing, you 
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I'll do, you know, various 
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different muscles and stuff. 
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for me. 
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know, earlier this year, I 
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just got into it. 
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you know, in dealing with online
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you when you lift the heavy 
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a way that's the most resistance
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whole day. 
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online, it actually just seems 
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all the, the weight you've been 
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And so it's sort of easy to deal
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But if I haven't done that, then
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coming in. 
It's like it feels like heavy 

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lifting, you know what I mean? 
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what is playing in your in your 
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Actually I don't listen to music
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I just do it sometimes because 
it pumps me up. 

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Well, I've heard this, yeah. 
And it makes sense. 

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And I probably should take some 
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I'll probably get a better 
workout. 

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But yeah, they usually have like
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in the in the gym. 
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So it takes me back to my youth.
It's always the same thing on 

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repeat. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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It doesn't matter where where in
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All gyms are the same. 
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I find that a bit of metal or or
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like drummer bass or something 
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that's got like a huge amount of
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of psychs me. 
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I'm taking my headphones to the 
gym next time. 

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But you're a musician, right? 
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say I spent so much time like 
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it all day every day and going 
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everything. 
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to music at all. 
I'm, I'm sort of like, my 

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tolerance is worn thin. 
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know, I'm not, I'm not so easily
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But whereas I used to be so 
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just get sucked into it all, all
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But now it doesn't work on me as
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But, you know, and you know, 
yeah, it's just I hired it too 

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much, you know, but. 
But that's also not what you 

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actually do. 
You're a nuclear physicist. 

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Yeah, so before I became a full 
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degree and APHD in theoretical 
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physics. 
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year, so I did that until that 
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I graduated with a PhD and I did
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music. 
It's something I've been into 

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since I was a kid. 
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opportunity to just put 
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with it. 
So yeah, I did that for 10 years

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until 2020. 
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kind of, well, it didn't all 
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I mean, I've still made music 
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know, my career hasn't recovered
from COVID. 

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I was like out the club and 
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get the gigs anymore so but. 
It's fine. 

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I can totally see, I can totally
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nuclear physics to DJ ING are. 
You being sarcastic? 

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No, I'm never sarcastic. 
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connection in that actually when
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real physics, like making 
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wave theory. 
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device for manipulating waves. 
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synthesizers and making 
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It felt like an application of 
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learning, you know, even though 
it's nothing to do with quantum 

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or nuclear or whatever, it was 
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But music is actually something 
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It's something that they buy. 
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forever. 
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good piece of music, it's good 
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humanity than any of the stuff I
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But it translated because of the
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stuff which is built built into 
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So. 
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there, though it's maybe not 
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I. 
Remember when you and I last 

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chatted, you basically dust so 
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Yeah, and I'm only just getting 
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What is it? 
Quantum, Quantum physics, I 

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think you you mocked. 
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that you said. 
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like, what's the word 
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really. 
Yeah, our sophistry. 

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Yeah. 
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I mean, you know, I used to love
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Don't get me wrong. 
I'm at the time and you know, I 

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have no, I have no beef with my 
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anything. 
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at uni and, you know, my 
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everything. 
So this isn't like some personal

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beef, but it's like 20 years of 
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that. 
That's a lot of time to test the

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things that I've been taught and
to see if it actually holds up 

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on the world stage. 
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And actually the more you look 
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And I believe just to, you know,
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come to the conclusion that 
quantum theory is kind of a 

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military intelligence operation 
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So instead of when you go to 
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grades you want to learn about 
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how you know the fundamental 
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And instead they give you all 
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masses of complex theory about 
things that you can't see and 

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nobody can, you know, verify or 
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And I feel like it's. 
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Yeah, like atoms. 
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And it just channels. 
I mean, you know, this is a 120 

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page PhD thesis on nuclear 
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And I mean, you know, nobody in 
the world is going to check this

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work, right? 
I bet, you know, nobody will 

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ever on the Internet go through 
this and verify everything I did

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in here. 
And the reason is because it 

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would take years and it would 
take funding. 

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And even if you did go through 
all of that and verify it, what 

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good would it do? 
You wouldn't be any better off 

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because it's fruitless, right? 
It's, it's pedagogical, it's 

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designed for teaching purposes, 
not for the purposes of 

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application in the real world. 
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fair play. 
If, if the purpose of school is 

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to train your brain through 
solving really difficult 

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problems, then that's fine. 
Nuclear physics and quantum 

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physics will do that. 
But if you expect it to apply to

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reality when you leave 
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it wrong. 
It, it doesn't, you know, it's 

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not a useful skill that, that, 
that you can be employed to use 

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in any real world capacity. 
And I, I stand by that. 

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And the more I look into it, the
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A virus has never been isolated 
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Has an atom ever been isolated 
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No. 
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a virus is 1000 times smaller 
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Well, a, an atom is probably a 
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virus. 
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you can't isolate viruses, then 
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of course, which is even smaller
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And they talk about electrons 
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know, like in the room with us. 
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So, yeah, I, I, you know, I'm 
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the atom and yeah, a lot of 
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Hold on. 
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that? 
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vernacular. 
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historically we're only talking 
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years or so since the electron 
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coined. 
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late 1800s. 
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came along afterwards. 
And, you know, the models have 

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been built up. 
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sold to us as if it is these 
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scientists who were just 
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matter and energy and came up 
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help us understand it. 
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it, who these people were, they 
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bomb narrative. 
They were all involved in it in 

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some capacity or another. 
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theory was to build a nook. 
I didn't. 

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That wasn't why I studied 
quantum theory. 

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I was seeking fundamental 
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I'm not thinking about nukes or 
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But then I ended up, I followed 
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And where did I end up? 
I ended up doing a PhD in 

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nuclear physics, but even after 
a PhD in nuclear physics, I 

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couldn't. 
I couldn't tell you how to how a

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bomb works or how a nuclear 
power station works. 

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And yeah, I could tell you what 
they told us. 

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I could, I could tell you what 
they told us, how those things 

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work. 
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understanding. 
And I've come to, I've come to 

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realize this as the years have 
gone on. 

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I was like, I wasn't given a 
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technologies work or a true 
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works. 
But if we can't see something, 

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can we conclude that it doesn't 
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I mean, there are lots of things
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True. 
Well, what they do when they so 

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how do when they're modeling 
this stuff, the way they test it

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is by just firing light at 
matter. 

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OK, So you have a piece of 
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lithium. 
So if you imagine you got like a

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lump of lithium and then you've 
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at the lithium, right? 
So when the light interacts with

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the matter, it will disperse 
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It'll, you know, go off in 
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beam hits a piece of lithium. 
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goes off, what directions it's, 
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something called the Fourier's 
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And you know, we do this in, in,
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imagine by adding sine waves 
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waves together. 
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right? 
It's actually not quantum 

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theory. 
It's it's like it's mathematical

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modeling using harmonics, using 
vibration. 

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And that's a very good science 
that actually works. 

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particles zoo, as they call it, 
it just just doesn't stand up. 

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Because if particles are meant 
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objects, and if they're solid, 
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them in your hand or, you know, 
create a bucket, you know, or 

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put them in a bottle or 
something like that. 

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isn't because they exist in a 
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they are said to exist in a 
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reach and will forever be beyond
our reach. 

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Does the same apply to DNA? 
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structure, I don't think there's
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a molecule. 
So it's a kind of a hypothetical

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molecule of the soul because 
it's said to contain all the the

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information like the blueprint 
of of your soul and the the 

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double Helix structure is a 
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information about your soul 
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structures of the water in your 
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this physical double Helix 
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You told me earlier that you 
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Michael Palmer, who was on my UK
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which he, I think, quite 
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idea that atomic bombs were 
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Yes, absolutely. 
So, you know, I, I was skeptical

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of the bombs, but I was coming 
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Michael Palmer. 
So I listened to him on, on you 

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and I listened to him also on 
Crow 777. 

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And, you know, one of the things
he said when he started, he said

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I'm only qualified to talk on 
Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 

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He said that at the start of his
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not anything else. 
Oh, that's Max Egan. 

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Sorry. 
That's Max Egan isn't it? 

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Crow, 7777. 
I don't think so. 

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No, I don't. 
It's not Max Egan. 

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I've met Max Egan as someone 
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Oh no, I think he's a Crow house
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OK, nevermind. 
Anyway. 

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Yeah. 
Anyway, so there was an 

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interview with Michael Palmer 
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and, and yeah, so he said he was
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki and, and 
nothing kind of outside of that.

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And I thought it was 
interesting. 

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And then so he's very thoroughly
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some of his points if you want. 
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interesting was he's, he then 
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believes in nukes and he, he 
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completely. 
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just hadn't finished working on 
the nukes. 

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So they had to, they had to fake
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And there was other reasons why 
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and then they've been testing 
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And I thought that was, that was
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course, because like, he is the 
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Nagasaki, but he still believes 
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everything. 
So I I thought this was a good 

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opportunity for me to to come at
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Yeah, I mean, isn't there a 
difference there between a bomb 

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and creating energy? 
Well, yes, actually. 

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So as it turns out, they're only
connected by name. 

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So they use the same term, 
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and to describe the power 
plants. 

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But there's actually not really 
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I mean, as Michael Palmer 
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Nagasaki, they used napalm and 
mustard gas, which are chemical 

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weapons. 
So chemical weapons were banned,

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of course. 
So they they kind of had to. 

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So the thing with nuclear is it 
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circumventing the chemical 
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So they were able to use 
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it were non chemical because it 
was a new type of combustion 

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fuel called nuclear. 
You see, because under the, the 

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Chemical Weapons Convention, 
you, you're allowed to blow 

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people up with combustible 
fuels, but you're not allowed to

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poison them or burn them with 
chemicals, right? 

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So it's, it's crazy. 
So, so because they were using 

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napalm and mustard gas, which 
are chemical poisons that burn 

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people, they had to spin it as 
being a new type of combustible 

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fuel. 
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this nuclear thing, but actually
nuclear power stations, they use

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a system that's, you know, 
quite, quite clever way of, of 

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generating electricity. 
It has nothing to do with napalm

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or mustard gas. 
So the two are only connected by

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the name nuclear, which is, you 
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powerful word that they use to 
to scare people. 

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OK, but just for clarity, I mean
for you it's obvious, but the 

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for the rest of us who aren't 
scientists, what is meant by the

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term nuclear or a nuclear bomb 
or nuclear energy? 

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OK, so the etymology of the word
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nuke, meaning nut, nut or seed 
or or kernel. 

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So when you talk about the 
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actually talking about the seed 
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And so the idea of nuclear is 
that matter contains a nut at 

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the at the very center, the 
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this of matter, There's there's 
a nut to seed of, of that 

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matter. 
And that's the nucleus. 

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neutrons and protons in the in 
the nucleus, and then you've got

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electrons around the outside. 
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the substance, right? 
It's the, the nucle, the 

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nucleus, the neutrons and 
protons, the number of neutrons 

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and protons that define the 
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the electrons. 
So the nucleus is the nut, but 

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so that's what nuclear means. 
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because it became all about this
quest for the biggest bomb 

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that's ever been made. 
Now the word has just become 

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associated with war, fear, 
threat, destruction, all this 

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kind of stuff. 
It's a real like military power 

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word that they can use to assert
military dominance. 

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You know whenever they throw 
this this idea around. 

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But in reality, Stephen, that's 
exactly what they do. 

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They throw around the term 
everybody talks about nuclear 

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war. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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No, it's a threat. 
And, you know, it's politically 

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convenient because it 
establishes a kind of military 

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dominance like to if, if you 
have the enemy thinks that you 

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have the biggest bomb ever, 
right? 

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That's like a, it's like a 
psychological warfare technique.

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And, you know, when it comes to 
nuclear bombs, all we have is 

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videos, videos of mushroom 
clouds. 

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That's it. 
And as Michael Palmer points 

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out, a mushroom cloud is not 
evidence of nuclear, right? 

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That's a, that's a myth. 
People think they if they see a 

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mushroom cloud, it must be 
nuclear. 

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It's like, no, any explosion 
above a certain magnitude will 

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produce a mushroom cloud. 
You don't need to have nuclear 

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fuel to do that. 
And yeah, it's really 

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interesting. 
I mean, the stuff you found out 

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about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 
you know, there was like people 

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like 50 meters away, you know, 
eyewitnesses like 50 meters away

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who survived and stuff. 
And we've got this idea that 

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it's like this massive blast 
that's like blasted away like 

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thousands of people destroying a
whole city. 

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And it was a fire bombing. 
It destroyed part of a city. 

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And, you know, there were people
as close as 50 meters who saw it

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happen. 
It's like it just doesn't add up

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to the the scale. 
You know, the scale was 

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exaggerated and then there was 
no reporting, right? 

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So the first journalist to get 
in to Japan was four weeks after

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the event and they had all their
work confiscated by the US 

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military. 
Guy Weller wrote 25,000 words on

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what he saw. 
It was all confiscated. 

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Another guy went in and took a 
load of pictures, all 

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confiscated. 
So it was very controlled. 

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They didn't want us to see or 
know what happened there, but 

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they told the whole world it was
like this huge nuclear thing 

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but. 
It wasn't. 

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Meanwhile, Dresden and Tokyo 
were fire bombed and they looked

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pretty much the same as Nagasaki
and Hiroshima. 

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Exactly. 
Yeah. 

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So Nagasaki and Hiroshima were 
not the first cities to be 

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destroyed by fire. 
It's happened many, many times 

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throughout history. 
But we're supposed to believe 

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that this was just like the 
biggest, most, you know, worst 

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destruction of a city that's 
ever happened. 

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And, and of course, in nuclear 
physics, you're expected to 

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believe there'll be thousands of
years of nuclear fallout where 

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all the atoms will be decaying 
and nothing can grow, and 

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they'll be like mutants and all 
this kind of stuff. 

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But actually, the city's just 
built right back after, you 

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know, they just got back to 
business after the explosion. 

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So it just none of it really 
adds up. 

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If you walked right into 
Chernobyl itself, what do you 

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think will happen? 
Well, you know, it kept 

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operating for 14 years after 
the, the, the accident that 

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there's, there was another plant
like right next to it like 100 

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meters away that kept operating 
and people kept working there 

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and stuff for like 14 years. 
But so when you're asking a 

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question about radioactivity and
whether that is real and whether

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it's dangerous, and I think it's
just a subtle point on this is 

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that with radioactivity, they 
tell us there's three kinds, 

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alpha, beta, and gamma. 
And they tell us that alpha and 

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beta are particles. 
So that's solid objects that are

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being spat out from the source. 
But gamma is frequency 

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vibration, radiation or light. 
And I just, I'm of the opinion 

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that alpha and beta are actually
just light as well. 

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They're not particles. 
It's like alpha, beta, gamma are

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is a classification of radiation
by penetration depth. 

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So the gamma rays have got 
strong penetration. 

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They can go through a lot a long
way through matter. 

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But the beta can only penetrate,
you know, not so far. 

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And alpha can only penetrate a 
little bit, right. 

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So it's radiation graduation by 
penetration depth. 

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Now radiation can be dangerous. 
It depends on the quality of the

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radiation and your dosage of it 
and how close you are to the 

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source. 
And I think the best way to 

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think about it is just like 
sound. 

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OK, so music can be beautiful 
and healing. 

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It can make you feel good. 
But if you go right up close to 

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a loudspeaker, you could damage 
your ears. 

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A lot of things happen when you 
go up close to the speaker. 

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You can no longer hear the bass 
very well because the bass needs

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a lot of space to to open up 
right. 

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But the high frequencies are 
like super loud when you're like

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close to the speaker. 
So the, the, the, the whole, the

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spectrum becomes tilted. 
You have high frequencies are 

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too high, bass frequencies are 
turned down and that becomes 

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dangerous, right? 
Even though it's the same music 

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that you're enjoying a few 
meters back from the speaker is 

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now dangerous to your ears when 
you're close to the speaker and 

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the high frequencies are boosted
and the bass are turned down, 

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right? 
So it's like that with 

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radiation, right? 
Your closeness to the source and

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the frequency or energetic 
spectrum of the radiation, it 

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all depends on that, like how 
how dangerous it is. 

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But generally it gets less 
dangerous the further away you 

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get from it. 
And I think even with things 

451
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,560
like Wi-Fi routers and stuff 
like that, it's like, you know, 

452
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,240
it's probably not that dangerous
when you're sitting around at a 

453
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,120
distance from it. 
But if you were to sit right 

454
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:10,280
next, like holding your Wi-Fi 
router all day, then you're a 

455
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,360
lot closer to it and the high 
frequencies will will kind of 

456
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,360
get into you more so. 
But that's kind of how I see it.

457
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:18,760
It's just all radiation, it's 
all vibration. 

458
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,440
There's no particles. 
I don't, I don't believe they've

459
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,600
been adequately, you know, 
proven to exist. 

460
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,120
OK, but then if you are not 
convinced that nuclear power is 

461
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:36,360
a thing, what was Chernobyl? 
Well, so nuclear power is is a 

462
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,800
thing in the sense that, you 
know, these power stations 

463
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,440
exist, right? 
So nuclear bombs are just 

464
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,000
videos. 
These are videos and claims. 

465
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,080
Yeah, so, but nuclear power 
stations, obviously they're 

466
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,680
dotted around the place and 
they, they are, we only do 

467
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,120
exist. 
But the question is, are they 

468
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:54,880
nuclear? 
Is it, is it justified to use 

469
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,200
the term nuclear to describe 
what they're doing there? 

470
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,440
And I've done a deep dive on 
this actually just this week. 

471
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,280
I've just, I've just finished a 
new presentation on nuclear 

472
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,320
power, which I'm going to put 
out this weekend on YouTube and 

473
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,360
Substack. 
So what it what they do there is

474
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,680
it's, you know, the basic idea 
of how it works is they say it's

475
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,640
like a kettle. 
It just works like a kettle. 

476
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,440
So you've got a heating element 
in some water and then the heat 

477
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,320
goes into the water, the water 
turns to steam and the steam 

478
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,560
drives the turbines, right. 
So that's the basic kind of 

479
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,160
engineering schematic of a 
nuclear power plant. 

480
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,120
But how do they heat the water? 
Well, they tell you that they 

481
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:37,760
use uranium, a nuclear fuel 
called uranium, and that it 

482
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,080
heats the water by this exotic 
nuclear energy called neutrons. 

483
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,440
And so I started looking into 
this and the first thing you 

484
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,960
notice is they don't actually 
use uranium in the reactor, so 

485
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,680
they use something called yellow
cake. 

486
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,520
Have you heard of this yellow 
cake? 

487
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:58,760
No. 
Yeah. 

488
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,680
So nuclear fuel is called yellow
cake. 

489
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,440
It's a bright yellow powder. 
It looks virtually identical to 

490
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,360
sulphur and they call it uranium
dioxide. 

491
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,400
Now, is it uranium dioxide or 
isn't it, or is that just the 

492
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,200
name they call it? 
It looks virtually identical to 

493
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,800
sulphur, as I say. 
And sulphur is a very fiery 

494
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,960
compound. 
So yeah, it's a, it's a bright 

495
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,800
yellow powder and they get it 
from an ore called pitch blend, 

496
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,400
which, you know, is extracted 
from this ore and then they 

497
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,320
enrich it through just, you 
know, basic processes again, 

498
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,040
uranium or they call it uranium 
enrichment, but it's actually 

499
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,400
yellow cake enrichment and they,
they purify it and kind of 

500
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,640
distill it essentially to get 
the like the, the lightest 

501
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,400
components out of it. 
Like with distillation, they use

502
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,600
something called gaseous 
diffusion and centrifugal 

503
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,680
separation to enrich it, and 
then they put it in these little

504
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,800
pellets. 
So you get these zirconium 

505
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,160
pellets, they're about this size
and they pack them with the 

506
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:08,600
yellow cake fuel. 
Now then using, they then ignite

507
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,000
the yellow cake by heating it to
a certain critical temperature. 

508
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,760
And then what happens is like if
you were to just ignite the 

509
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,720
yellow cake, normally it would 
just explode, right? 

510
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,280
Boom, it's an explosive. 
But when it's inside these 

511
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,160
little pellets, it can't 
explode. 

512
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,760
There's nowhere for it to go. 
There's no oxygen in the pellet,

513
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,480
so it can't burn because you 
need oxygen to burn. 

514
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,320
It also can't produce any sound 
because there's no it can't 

515
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,040
produce any light. 
There's nowhere for it to go. 

516
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,000
So what happens is all the 
energy comes out of the pellet 

517
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,680
as heat. 
And so the pellets like slowly 

518
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,200
heat the water, which produces 
the steam. 

519
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,640
It's actually pretty clever. 
And you know, I think it's, you 

520
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,680
know, people say it's like 
nuclear, right? 

521
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,720
NEW clear nuclear energy 
actually makes more sense 

522
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,080
because it is newer than the 
coal burning stations we used to

523
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,200
have. 
And it's clearer. 

524
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,120
So it doesn't produce any smoke.
It produces steam instead. 

525
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,320
And the downside of that is if 
you have nuclear power plants 

526
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,120
everywhere, you might end up 
with a lot of rain because, you 

527
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,120
know, they are essentially just 
pulling water out of the river, 

528
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,920
turning it into steam and 
blasting it into the sky, right?

529
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,520
So we went with a very rainy 
environment if there was nuclear

530
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,120
power everywhere. 
But you know that that's 

531
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,000
essentially how it works. 
But there's it's dressed up in 

532
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,760
all this jargon about the the 
fuel and that the fuel is this 

533
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,720
really dangerous stuff called 
uranium. 

534
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,520
And you know, it heats the water
by neutrons and stuff. 

535
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,360
But man, if you want to boil 
water, you need heat. 

536
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,560
You don't need neutrons. 
Like, you know, it's just, it's 

537
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,560
ludicrous. 
It's like it's, it's, it's the 

538
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,640
water is boiled by the process 
of heat, not by the process of 

539
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,400
neutrons. 
It just that just dresses it up 

540
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,840
in a very jargony way that hides
the simple thermal mechanical 

541
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,920
processes that are going on. 
Why though? 

542
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,800
Why would there be this quote UN
quote cover up? 

543
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,840
Because it's all tied in with 
secretive military technologies 

544
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,600
that they, they don't want you 
having. 

545
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,120
I mean, look, they don't want us
generating our own power for a 

546
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,240
start. 
So if everyone was taught the 

547
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,000
secret of how to, you know, 
build nuclear power, then we, we

548
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,920
could all just start building 
our own power, power devices. 

549
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,000
They don't want that. 
And, you know, tied up, of 

550
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,160
course, with the bomb narrative 
as well. 

551
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,600
And, you know, well, the way I 
put it is I, I realized this 

552
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,760
after my PhD was that, you know,
if they really did have the 

553
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,560
secret of world destroying 
power, are they going to teach 

554
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,480
it to just any old Tom, Dick and
Harry who got good grades in 

555
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,880
school? 
You know what I mean? 

556
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,400
All all you need is like, you 
know, bees in maths and physics 

557
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,400
and you can go to school and 
learn the secret of how to 

558
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,280
destroy the world with yellow 
cake. 

559
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,920
I mean, it's just ludicrous. 
So they, they don't actually 

560
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:11,000
teach you how these things work.
And they, it's what they, they 

561
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,200
look at very abstract ways of 
like modelling the nucleus and, 

562
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,160
you know, all this kind of 
thing. 

563
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,440
But they don't actually just 
teach you how to build a power 

564
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,080
generator or a bomb. 
And you know, probably good 

565
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:29,880
reason for that, you know, but. 
So the evidence for atomic bombs

566
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,160
on Japan is remarkably flimsy, 
and you're saying so is the 

567
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,560
evidence for nuclear power or 
any type of nuclear weaponry? 

568
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,200
Yes, yeah. 
So the the the bombs don't even 

569
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,920
use the nuclear fuel. 
I mean, that's that's what 

570
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,720
Michael Palmer has shown the. 
Can I, can I interrupt you? 

571
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,360
I used the word or the phrase 
atomic bomb. 

572
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,760
What is the difference between a
nuclear bomb and an atomic bomb?

573
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,400
I I think there it's just 
terminology, you know, the 

574
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:08,320
terminology changed because it's
like the atomic nucleus, right? 

575
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,560
So it's, they're, they're sort 
of interchangeable anyway, 

576
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,480
that's how I always understood 
that you can call them atomic, 

577
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,480
call them nuclear. 
It's basically the same thing. 

578
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,200
Yeah, just, well, just coming 
back to the, the nuclear power 

579
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,640
thing. 
So it's obviously there's a real

580
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,480
power generation happening and 
it is actually quite clever and 

581
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,280
really good engineering. 
And you know, it doesn't produce

582
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,120
smoke. 
So it is clear. 

583
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,160
And you know, I'm not, I'm not 
even against it honestly. 

584
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,840
I think actually the main reason
people are against nuclear power

585
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,560
is because they bought into the 
whole radioactivity narrative, 

586
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,080
right? 
So they think that this is a 

587
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,560
potential source of danger that 
is going to blow up one day and 

588
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,760
release all this radioactivity, 
and then we're all going to be 

589
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,000
living in nuclear fallout and 
stuff like that. 

590
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,920
So there's a lot of fear around 
nuclear power plants, which is 

591
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,360
derived from the fear around the
the nuclear bomb and the dangers

592
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,440
of nuclear fuel. 
And I just think it's actually 

593
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,520
unjustified and perhaps it was 
done to keep people away from 

594
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,360
the technology, right? 
Because with the radioactivity, 

595
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,000
the idea is that the matter is 
spitting out little particles at

596
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,880
you, like little bullets, right?
And so if you're, you're 

597
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,720
probably, well, I'm going to go 
near that stuff, right? 

598
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,120
It's probably the first thing 
you think I ain't going near 

599
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,600
that stuff because it's 
dangerous. 

600
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,240
It's going to spit out 
radioactivity at me. 

601
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,520
And I think that was probably 
the idea was that they wanted 

602
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,600
ordinary people to be like, I'm 
not going to go near that stuff.

603
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,800
I don't want to go close to it. 
And so it's all dressed up in 

604
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,400
like heavy, like safety 
regulations as well. 

605
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,520
So Galen Windsor, you know his 
story. 

606
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,680
Yeah. 
Didn't he drink nuclear 

607
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,920
something? 
I don't know, he drank something

608
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,120
that was toxic or radioactive or
whatever. 

609
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:58,400
Yeah, he would drink the water 
from the from the nuclear core, 

610
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,040
but I mean, it's just water 
coming in from the river. 

611
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,840
Do you know, it's like, it's 
like big deal, you're drinking 

612
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:04,880
river water. 
So what? 

613
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,719
But I mean, you know, what he 
said was that he when when he 

614
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,440
started, he was head of nuclear 
fuel inventory for the US 

615
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,239
government. 
And they all loved their jobs. 

616
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,719
They were handling the fuel, 
handling the waste like they had

617
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,040
a good crew, good operation 
running. 

618
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,480
No one was sick. 
People loved their jobs. 

619
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,400
It was good. 
And then one day the government 

620
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,639
came down and was like, oh, you 
can't touch this stuff. 

621
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,560
You, you got to stay, you got to
keep your distance, you got to 

622
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,719
wear protective gear. 
You can only have 10 minutes 

623
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,960
exposure a day and all this. 
And he said it actually just 

624
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,679
made everyone's job a complete 
misery and kind of ruined the 

625
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,639
operation, you know, But the 
fact that they were doing it all

626
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:49,400
without safety gloves, without 
quite happily for a lot of 

627
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,600
years, you know, that shows you 
that it was never dangerous to 

628
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,719
begin with. 
It was all about control. 

629
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,000
He actually said that nuclear 
weapons don't exist. 

630
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,440
Yeah, and I, I would. 
And he said that. 

631
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,600
Radiation fear, yeah. 
And he also, I think he said 

632
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,040
radiation fear was mostly just 
about exactly that, the fear. 

633
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,160
Yeah, yeah, hysteria and yeah, 
just a fear to kind of keep you 

634
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,640
away from powerful substances, 
essentially. 

635
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,040
I mean, you know, this is an 
explosive substance like the the

636
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,920
yellow cake and you know, they 
they. 

637
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:31,240
If you think about it, Steven 
Fear is a great way to get a 

638
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:36,600
compliant group of people. 100%,
man, I mean, look at all the 

639
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,920
stuff that's been done in the 
name of nuclear as well, you 

640
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,160
know, like the children, you 
know, duck, duck and cover 

641
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,200
drills. 
I mean, I thought that was very 

642
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,960
reminiscent of the masking, you 
know, masking children, making 

643
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,200
them sit in like plastic boxes 
and everything to protect them 

644
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,440
from the deadly virus. 
It was very reminiscent of, 

645
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,240
like, get under your desk and, 
you know, duck and cover in the 

646
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:59,440
event of a nuclear blast and all
this, like it, you know, 

647
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,520
traumatic, you know, terrifying 
things to consider for a child. 

648
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,840
You've got a book called The 
Fool's Wisdom, and part of it is

649
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,680
what you call the Secret Art of 
Alchemy. 

650
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,400
What is that? 
Yes, well, alchemy is ancient 

651
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,960
science and you know, it's, it's
a science which is based in 

652
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,040
fire, earth, air and water. 
So it's actually common to all 

653
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,600
ancient civilizations because 
obviously all civilizations were

654
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,320
familiar with fire, earth, air 
and water. 

655
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,400
They're like the, the, the true 
elements of life. 

656
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,800
And so it's kind of a science 
that kind of reframes things in 

657
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,840
terms of fire, earth, air and 
water instead of in terms of 

658
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,880
atoms and protons and neutrons 
and stuff. 

659
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,560
So the atomic theory was not 
around at that time. 

660
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,120
So alchemists, they invented 
chemistry, they did all kinds of

661
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,560
great science. 
And you know what, what the 

662
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,880
ancient architecture, the 
cathedrals and, you know, 

663
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,680
stained glass windows and all 
this stuff. 

664
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,480
Like alchemists were involved in
all of that. 

665
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,160
And it was all they did it all 
without any knowledge of atoms. 

666
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,480
And so when I started to look 
into alchemy, I started to 

667
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,600
realize it actually can provide 
a superior explanation of 

668
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,680
anything because it explains it 
in terms of real elements, fire,

669
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,640
earth, air and water. 
So it actually helped me to 

670
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,560
understand technology better, 
like, like understanding the how

671
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,040
a nuclear power station works, 
right? 

672
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,720
It's actually, I would say it's 
an alchemical engine. 

673
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,600
It uses alchemical processes and
techniques like the, the, the 

674
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,880
yellow cake in the pellets. 
You know, that's like, it's what

675
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,840
they call the secret fire in 
alchemy, which is when you heat 

676
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,240
something without oxygen. 
It's also known as pyrolysis. 

677
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,640
So when you heat something in 
the absence of oxygen, it 

678
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:54,280
doesn't burn. 
It actually it, it transforms in

679
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,520
a, in a positive way, right? 
It's like, but if, if, if 

680
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,480
there's oxygen present, it will 
burn, it will explode, right? 

681
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,280
It will, it will go on fire. 
And so, you know, they are 

682
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,960
actually using alchemical 
techniques and processes in 

683
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,160
these nuclear power stations, 
but the schools and the 

684
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,280
universities and the media and 
all that, they just don't teach 

685
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,320
us exactly how this stuff works 
for whatever reason. 

686
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,520
Are you of the opinion that 
science is quite broken? 

687
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,720
Yeah, yeah. 
Well, I mean, since COVID, you 

688
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,960
know, most science people, if 
you like science gurus, 

689
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,240
professors and all that, have no
legitimacy whatsoever because of

690
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:41,760
how they responded to COVID. 
You know, it's like they, if 

691
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,640
they promote it, if they went 
along with it, they promote it 

692
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,480
is like they've lost all 
scientific legitimacy because 

693
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,560
they've shown they don't have 
the discernment. 

694
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,960
And they've also promoted poison
to masses of people, right? 

695
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,960
And you know, if I was running a
company and my staff were 

696
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,080
promoting poison on social 
media, they'd be fired, you know

697
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,520
what I mean? 
And I might even call the 

698
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,320
police, right? 
But of course, now it's 

699
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,400
completely normalized. 
So many people promoted the 

700
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,320
poison, right? 
And most of them have gotten 

701
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,320
promotions and, you know, 
bonuses and knighthoods and all 

702
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,280
this kind of stuff, right? 
So, but, but for anyone with 

703
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,240
discernment, it's like you can't
trust these scientists ever 

704
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,000
again, right? 
Unless, unless they were, you 

705
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,840
know, unless they were humble 
and they came forward and say, 

706
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,680
you know what? 
Look, I was, I was actually 

707
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,960
totally wrong about that. 
I was misled and I was afraid. 

708
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,960
And, you know, I said some 
things I regret and everything. 

709
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,400
Then you start to get some 
legitimacy again. 

710
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,280
But you you've got the wrong 
side on COVID. 

711
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,360
You haven't repented for what 
you've done. 

712
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,440
No legitimacy whatsoever. 
Oh, that just. 

713
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,040
Sounds like a cult. 
What's that the? 

714
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,840
Scientism. 
I love this this the sentence 

715
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,160
that you use. 
Just scientism is the troll that

716
00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:00,880
guards the gates to the fountain
of alchemical truth. 

717
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,400
Alchemical. 
Alchemical. 

718
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,160
How do you say that alchemical? 
Alchemical truth. 

719
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,400
Let me just say that statement 
again because I've completely 

720
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,080
butchered it. 
Because that's so beautiful. 

721
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,240
Scientism is the troll that 
guards the gates to the fountain

722
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:17,320
of alchemical truth. 
Yeah, it is like this kind of 

723
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,520
troll. 
I mean, you talk about 

724
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,360
gatekeepers, right? 
So we have these. 

725
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:26,640
It's like a priestly class of 
scientists, you know? 

726
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,000
You know the ones. 
I'm not going to mention their 

727
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,800
names, but there's, you know, 
certain signs you just see again

728
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,520
and again, they're always in the
mainstream. 

729
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,720
Even if you don't follow them, 
you still see them, right? 

730
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,800
Which is a sign that you're 
being programmed. 

731
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,480
If you, if you, you know, if you
see things without having to dig

732
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,520
for them, you're being 
programmed. 

733
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,760
And so when you, when you see 
all this, the sign is that they 

734
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,600
are programming you. 
They always have the same spin 

735
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:55,560
on everything. 
And, you know, they're impious, 

736
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,120
right? 
You know what I mean by that? 

737
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,480
Impious. 
Like they, they have no 

738
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,320
reverence or respect for the 
divine at all. 

739
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:05,320
And I, I've never, you know, 
seen a scientist in any of these

740
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,640
fields who actually has, you 
know, some respect or, or 

741
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,680
reverence for the divine. 
They are atheists. 

742
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,920
They're impious. 
And they have a priestly sort of

743
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,640
status in society where they 
just get to say all this stuff 

744
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,040
unchallenged and everyone goes, 
wow, you know, isn't that 

745
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,640
fascinating? 
Isn't that awesome? 

746
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,880
And it's like a spell. 
Trust the science. 

747
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:33,480
Yeah, trust the science no more.
Yeah, you lost your, you lost 

748
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,840
your trust privileges during 
COVID, I'm afraid. 

749
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,480
You refer to it as a scientific 
materialism. 

750
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,280
Yeah, so this is the idea that 
there's nothing except matter. 

751
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,520
So there's, you know, we're made
of matter, but in between the 

752
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,800
atoms of matter there's just 
nothing like void vacuum. 

753
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,120
So there's matter and nothing. 
And this is materialism because 

754
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,640
in alchemy there's something 
called the ether. 

755
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,680
And the ether is not nothing. 
The ether is a fluid that fills 

756
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,840
all space and it's, you know, 
it's living, it's dynamic, it's 

757
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,480
like the root of consciousness 
and, and all this stuff. 

758
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,360
So alchemy provides a bridge 
between science and 

759
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,560
spirituality. 
But in materialism they've taken

760
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,000
ether and thrown it out. 
So they've left no space for 

761
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,560
spirituality. 
It's left us like trapped in 

762
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,080
matter, as it were. 
And that is a materialist is one

763
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,840
who is trapped in matter because
they there is, there's still a 

764
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,320
spirit, right? 
You're a spirit in matter, but 

765
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,440
you believe there's no spirit 
and it's only matter. 

766
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,480
So you're kind of you're trapped
in there. 

767
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,800
And so, but part of the great 
work of alchemy is actually to 

768
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,800
help people out of materialism 
to actually open and become 

769
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,800
more, more spiritually aware. 
And, and that because that's a 

770
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,200
transformational process and, 
and that that is part of alchemy

771
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,600
as well. 
It's like the transformation of 

772
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,400
yourself, your soul, as you, as 
you go through this journey from

773
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,960
materialist to, you know, 
spiritually aware. 

774
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:10,760
And what you're saying also does
ring true because if you, if you

775
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:17,280
listen to space scientists, you 
know, talking, they end up in so

776
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,760
many wood salads, they end up 
going in strange into strange 

777
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,960
mental gymnastics to make things
work. 

778
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,800
You know, 70% of the universe is
dark matter. 

779
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,680
We don't know what it is, but we
know it's there. 

780
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,920
And then you've got black holes 
and, and, and and The Big Bang 

781
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,440
and everything came out of 
nothing. 

782
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,040
And now it's expanding into 
itself. 

783
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,480
I mean the the absurdity becomes
like a Monty Python sketch. 

784
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,120
Yeah, yeah. 
And, you know, I used to be so, 

785
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,800
like, fascinated and sucked in 
by all that stuff. 

786
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,560
But yeah, when now I look at it,
it's just like an absolute clown

787
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,560
show. 
Like the problems we have in the

788
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,640
world now, the things that need 
done, the things that need to 

789
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,760
fix, the improvements that need 
to be made to the world. 

790
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,960
And they're talking about black 
holes in some Galaxy far, far 

791
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,840
away. 
It's just like, yeah, 

792
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:01,960
absolutely. 
Yeah. 

793
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,240
What happens if you go through 
it and, and, and you end up 

794
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,000
somewhere else and can you 
teleport? 

795
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,240
And I mean, it's just, it's 
insane. 

796
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,920
Yeah, I sometimes think that the
outer space stuff is actually 

797
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,440
designed to, like, take your 
attention away from what's going

798
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:18,800
on down here. 
You know what I mean? 

799
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,320
It's like it takes your 
attention so far out into, you 

800
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,680
know, La La land that you end up
blissfully unaware of what's 

801
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,120
actually happening on the Earth,
like, right in front of you, you

802
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,520
know? 
Yeah. 

803
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,560
I think it was you who said to 
me a while back that 

804
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,240
astrophysics is just nonsense. 
Well, have you ever needed an 

805
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:43,640
astrophysicist for anything? 
Well, let me call one up. 

806
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,400
I've got a problem with the 
plumbing. 

807
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,520
Yeah, so astrophysics is 
actually nuclear physics as 

808
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:57,040
well, because the the theory is 
that all the stars in the sky 

809
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,560
are actually nuclear reactors. 
You know, so we're told the sun 

810
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:06,920
is a giant nuclear fireball and 
that all the stars are of that 

811
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,280
nature. 
So what they do with nuclear 

812
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,040
physics then is they take like 
the model of the cosmos and then

813
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,000
they apply like nuclear physics 
to the stars, and then they 

814
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,840
model the stars in that way. 
And, you know, again, very 

815
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,640
complex years and years of time 
could be spent, like looking 

816
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,120
into all this stuff, but what 
can you actually do with it when

817
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,280
you come out? 
Not nothing at all, really. 

818
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,040
And I think, yeah, I mean, I 
thought I started studying 

819
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,240
astrophysics. 
That was a, you know, for the 

820
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:39,960
first two years of my degree, 
that's what I was studying. 

821
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,680
And, you know, I thought it 
would get me into space to, you 

822
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,360
know, I was like 18 years old or
whatever. 

823
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,960
I'm like, you know, if I have a 
degree in astrophysics that 

824
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,800
maybe one day I can go either go
to the moon or go to Mars or 

825
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,640
something. 
But then, you know, you come out

826
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,360
and you realize, no, that's 
actually, you don't even need to

827
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,400
know anything about astrophysics
to be an astronaut. 

828
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,760
You just have to be a 
essentially A brainwashed 

829
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,920
soldier to be an astronaut, 
right? 

830
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,360
It's a, you have to go through 
military psychological 

831
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,480
brainwashing in order to do 
that. 

832
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,160
And I'm just like, yeah, no, I'm
not doing that. 

833
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,560
A number of years ago, my wife 
and I visited a very this very 

834
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,600
big telescope that's here in 
South Africa. 

835
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,360
It's and sort of the middle of 
the, well, not really in the 

836
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,440
middle of the country, but it's 
out in the middle of nowhere 

837
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:27,000
where there's no light 
pollution. 

838
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,560
And we were taken on a private 
tour and my wife asks the one, 

839
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,360
what do you, what do you call? 
But what is he an astronomer, I 

840
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,160
suppose. 
And she, she asked him, what do 

841
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,360
you do? 
And he says, well, I observe the

842
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,000
stars and whatever the sun, 
etcetera. 

843
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,120
She's never OK, but what do you 
actually do? 

844
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,680
Yeah, yeah. 
When I was doing nuclear 

845
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,880
physics, that if people ask me 
what is it you actually do is 

846
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,560
it's tough, You know, you're 
just like, well, I'm, I'm, you 

847
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,680
know, start probing the, you 
know, structure of matter using,

848
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:04,720
you know, mathematical models 
and everything. 

849
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:08,600
It's just like, yeah. 
Yes, but can you parallel park? 

850
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,640
Can you unblock a sink? 
Yeah. 

851
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,240
Nope. 
You know, whatever it is. 

852
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,040
Yeah, it says so, yeah. 
You miss out on a lot of 

853
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,640
practical education, you know, 
doing a PhD and something like 

854
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,080
this. 
It's because you're, you're sort

855
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,400
of formative years from like, 
you know, 16 through to like 25 

856
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,240
when, you know, you could be 
learning all these like basic 

857
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,240
skills and how to run a business
and how to fix things and do all

858
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:36,880
that stuff. 
You're you're just sat in 

859
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,160
lecture theaters and libraries, 
you know, looking at equations 

860
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,680
and, and things like that. 
So, yeah, so I came out of uni 

861
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,280
like pretty, you know, unskilled
and totally out of touch with 

862
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:54,240
reality, like just, you know, 
business and industry and, you 

863
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:56,480
know, all these things. 
I was so out of touch with all 

864
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,480
that. 
And it was, you know, it was a 

865
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,880
rough landing, you know, coming 
out of uni for sure. 

866
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,240
So basically what you're saying 
is that it's just all academic 

867
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:07,560
wankery? 
Yeah, academic. 

868
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,600
You know, I, I don't want, 
again, I don't want to be too 

869
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,880
harsh on the training aspect of 
it because it was, you know, 

870
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,240
very rigorous mental training, 
right? 

871
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,840
It's like it wasn't easy. 
It was like I had to do real 

872
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,960
hard, you know, mental 
gymnastics and it was very 

873
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,920
rigorously checked and tested 
and stuff. 

874
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,360
But as I say, it's like a 
sandbox. 

875
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,000
You create a sandbox by setting 
some limits and assumptions that

876
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,520
you start with and then you do 
all your science within those 

877
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,880
limits and assumptions. 
And so you may be doing rigorous

878
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,800
science that's very complex and 
very time consuming, but it 

879
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,000
doesn't translate to the real 
world because it was just all 

880
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,080
taking place within this 
sandbox, you know, with 

881
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,080
mathematical proofs and stuff. 
I mean, again, it's like, what 

882
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,720
are the fruits? 
You know, that's, that's how, 

883
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,520
that's what got me into this to 
begin with. 

884
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,840
I'm looking at like, what are 
the actual fruits of the 

885
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,680
theories? 
It's like, you know, theories 

886
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,640
just like a seed, like an idea 
what what's actually what grows 

887
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,400
out of it and into into the real
world. 

888
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,000
Music is a good example of this.
So music is a theory as well, 

889
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,560
you know, music theory and it's 
the theory of vibration and 

890
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,600
chords and notes and everything.
And actually the theory is so 

891
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,520
good that it can produce 
infinite music from that. 

892
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,840
That one theory of music you 
infinitely different songs. 

893
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,040
Every time someone makes a piece
of music is different from 

894
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:33,560
another. 
They're always unique. 

895
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,600
It's, you know, the music theory
has produced uncountable 

896
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,240
infinite fruits for humanity. 
Well, what are the fruits of 

897
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:41,960
nuclear theory? 
And they'll be like, well, 

898
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,040
nuclear bombs, nuclear power 
stations. 

899
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:48,400
And then so you look into those 
and you're like, but actually I 

900
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,000
can explain those without any 
nuclear theory whatsoever. 

901
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,640
So let me ask you again, what 
are the fruits of nuclear 

902
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,080
theory? 
And now there's none, you know, 

903
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,480
and it's like, OK, so you 
actually don't do anything. 

904
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,040
So when I ask you, what you do 
is nothing. 

905
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,600
There's nothing. 
And yeah, I again, I was, when I

906
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,720
was writing the book, I was 
first starting to wake up to 

907
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:14,560
this stuff. 
But now like 3-4 years down the 

908
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,240
line, I'm like, it just gets 
more and more obvious the more I

909
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,080
look into it that this stuff 
doesn't add up. 

910
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,560
Do you think there's a problem? 
Too much specialization, yes. 

911
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,080
Yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah. 

912
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,200
I mean, you know, probably be 
interested to just have a look 

913
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,120
into some of the crazier topics 
that people have done PhDs in, 

914
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,680
you know, just like how we like 
specialized and just like out 

915
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,800
there. 
And, you know, it would probably

916
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,840
blow, blow our minds just to, 
to, to look into that. 

917
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,920
I mean, you know, my, my, the 
topic of my PhD was a pie on 

918
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,200
photo production as a probe for 
studying Halo nuclei. 

919
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:01,920
So that was incredibly specific.
Incredibly. 

920
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,800
Specific and without. 
Any applications in the real 

921
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,440
world? 
Of course but but I mean no, but

922
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,200
I mean on a. 
You know, on a in, on a 

923
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:15,200
day-to-day basis, hyper 
specialization seems to be 

924
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,400
creating a lot of stupid people.
Because what happens now is that

925
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,520
you have the whole stay in your 
lane scenario becoming very 

926
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,480
apparent where you can't comment
on anything because it's not 

927
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,800
your field. 
Yeah, So you so someone will 

928
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,880
say, are you a virologist? 
Well, no, but if I'm going to 

929
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,240
ask about the existence of 
viruses, I'm not going to ask a 

930
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,520
virologist. 
Yeah, because. 

931
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,880
Because by default. 
A virologist. 

932
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,640
Has subscribed to that 
narrative. 

933
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,720
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah, the whole stay in your 

934
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,800
lane thing. 
I kind of broke out of that with

935
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,280
the book because, well, because 
when I looked into alchemy, what

936
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,240
I realized was that all the 
sciences unite in the ancient 

937
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:58,560
world, right? 
So they've become fractured in 

938
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,800
recent years with all these 
different specializations. 

939
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,920
But when you trace it back 
through history, it all goes 

940
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,920
back to natural philosophy and 
alchemy. 

941
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:07,640
And so, you know, alchemy, as I 
said, they, they invented 

942
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,960
chemistry. 
They were the first medicine 

943
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,160
makers. 
You know, they were making the 

944
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,920
metals, you know, making 
machines and, you know, so 

945
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,400
alchemy is the foundation of 
everything. 

946
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,160
So I, I sort of broke out that 
in my book. 

947
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,440
I I criticize physics, I 
criticize chemistry, I criticize

948
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,560
medicine, you know, criticize 
politics and you know, 

949
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,360
everything. 
I just like, broke out of my 

950
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,200
lane, as it were, and just went 
for all of it. 

951
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,760
But Steven Science. 
Traditionally. 

952
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,080
Or historically. 
Was open source, no. 

953
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,000
Yeah, I mean, you can be a 
scientist just. 

954
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,600
You know, off off your own back,
of course, I mean depends what 

955
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,040
what you're doing, how much 
funding you need. 

956
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,000
I mean, like for me at the 
moment, I, you know, I don't 

957
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,280
need funding to do my work as 
I'm doing what you might call 

958
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,080
secondary research, right. 
So I'm not building machines or 

959
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,560
running experiments. 
I'm just pouring over all the 

960
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,800
literature and the writings and 
the research that others have 

961
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,720
done and trying to make sense of
it and, you know, distill it 

962
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,280
into like, what are the, what 
are the golden Nuggets? 

963
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,240
And, and what's the stuff that 
we can just throw away? 

964
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,240
So, and then that's kind of an 
alchemical process in itself, 

965
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:16,560
right? 
That's part of alchemy. 

966
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,000
Separation is like taking what's
good and throwing away what you 

967
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,120
don't need. 
And I'm just trying to do that 

968
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,080
with science in general. 
So, you know, medicine, 

969
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,120
chemistry, physics, all of it. 
What's good, Keep it what we 

970
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,400
what isn't good. 
Chuck it, You know, because it 

971
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,120
feels like we're at that stage 
in the world now where we, you 

972
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,880
know, we really need to look at 
everything and be like, you 

973
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,880
know, let's save what we can, 
but check out the rest that 

974
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:46,400
doesn't work, you know. 
Yeah, But I mean the phrase. 

975
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,600
Scientist these days really only
means getting funding or having 

976
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,880
access to laboratory. 
Yeah, I mean. 

977
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,880
Yeah, people would say that, 
yeah, that you're, you know, 

978
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,120
because I'm not working in a 
lab, I'm not a professional 

979
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,080
scientist. 
But then, you know, people will 

980
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,680
say I'm a nuclear physicist even
though I never worked in a, a 

981
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:10,480
nuclear power station or a, or a
nuclear bomb, you know, facility

982
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,360
or whatever. 
I just, you know, science. 

983
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,440
But that's not what I'm saying. 
That's not what I'm saying. 

984
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:16,960
I mean. 
Obviously, if you work in a, if 

985
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,120
you study in a particular field,
you have every right to to label

986
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,800
yourself that afterwards. 
What I'm what I'm saying is that

987
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:30,760
the field, the greater macro 
field of science, doesn't 

988
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:38,480
require a scientist. 
No, Yeah, I because ultimately, 

989
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,000
ultimately it's critical 
thinking. 

990
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,760
So like Leonardo da Vinci was, 
he was multiple things. 

991
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,000
He he opened up human bodies and
he drew pictures and he sculpted

992
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,280
and, you know, all sorts of 
things. 

993
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:52,440
Yeah, absolutely. 
So the curiosity. 

994
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:58,200
You know, logical thinking and, 
you know, questioning your own 

995
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,200
assumptions and beliefs. 
I think this is unfortunately 

996
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,560
what the, I guess the kind of 
scientist you're talking about, 

997
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,000
right? 
The trained scientist, the 

998
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,840
university educated sign that 
this is the problem we have with

999
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,840
them as they don't question 
their own conditioning and 

1000
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,120
beliefs, especially not if 
there's a paycheck involved, 

1001
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,240
right. 
So that's the difference with me

1002
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:19,640
is that I, I don't, I don't get 
paid for science, right? 

1003
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:25,520
So I've no, I don't have to, 
yeah, I don't have to believe 

1004
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,440
everything that I was taught 
anymore. 

1005
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:31,160
But if I was working in 
university, I, I would, you 

1006
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,560
know, I can see it. 
It's like you wouldn't end up 

1007
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,320
just like tearing up all the 
assumptions that everybody 

1008
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,640
around you is like taking, you 
know, you're just going to start

1009
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,200
ripping all that up. 
You just lose your job. 

1010
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:46,560
This is an interesting. 
Anecdote, yeah. 

1011
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,160
So a number of years ago there 
was an expose done on this here 

1012
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,880
in South Africa. 
There was a surgeon who had 

1013
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:58,000
spent, I don't know, I think 11 
or 12 years working in a 

1014
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,240
hospital and he had a very 
successful history. 

1015
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,320
All right. 
He didn't, I think like he's, 

1016
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,280
the mortality rate was like 2 or
3%, which is exceptionally good,

1017
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:15,800
you know, if you're a surgeon. 
It turned out that he. 

1018
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,160
Had never qualified. 
As as a doctor, he, he, he 

1019
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,560
dropped out in the final year or
something to that effect. 

1020
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,560
And you know, he scammed his way
in and of course it became a 

1021
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,680
big, big, big sort of legal 
thing. 

1022
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:37,280
But he was a surgeon 
nonetheless. 

1023
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:42,320
And his patients who were 
interviewed said I I'm happy 

1024
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:47,680
with the results, yeah. 
So he was, well, you know, a lot

1025
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,880
of the best people leave 
university or whatever. 

1026
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,200
You know, a lot of great people 
like skip out of college or 

1027
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,360
university halfway through 
because they maybe they know 

1028
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,560
what they, they want to do or, 
or they're like, you know, this 

1029
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,400
is bullshit. 
You know, they, they have an 

1030
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,040
awakening or whatever. 
But yeah, people can be good at 

1031
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,840
what they do without getting the
qualification for for sure. 

1032
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,200
But then also people can get 
their qualification and be 

1033
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,520
useless at the same time. 
So correct. 

1034
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,920
I mean just give it a deal at 
COVID. 

1035
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,280
COVID again. 
Yes, because I was. 

1036
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,400
Always in two minds about using 
doctor before my name, right, 

1037
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,000
because of which I'm entitled to
do. 

1038
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,240
I am a doctor, but I don't 
always use it right. 

1039
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,040
And you know, and, and after, 
after COVID, I thought I was 

1040
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,280
like, damn, I was like being a 
doctor. 

1041
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,960
Having a PhD now means nothing 
because we've just had all these

1042
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,880
doctors and PhDs like supporting
COVID. 

1043
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,600
But then at the same time, and I
started looking into the 

1044
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:48,440
definition of it, doctor, really
Dockery, it means to teach 

1045
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,200
doctor is like one who's like 
qualified to teach on a certain 

1046
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,720
subject. 
And then philosophy, doctorate 

1047
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,800
philosophy is love of wisdom, 
philosophia. 

1048
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,520
So and I realized it's actually 
one who loves wisdom and is able

1049
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,480
to teach people wisdom and help 
people attain wisdom. 

1050
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,320
And I thought, you know what, 
actually, I like that. 

1051
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,240
And you know, I'm going to start
taking it more seriously. 

1052
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,600
That's that's what I'm going to 
do. 

1053
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,440
I'm going to study wisdom, which
is like the highest knowledge 

1054
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,720
that's been passed down through 
the generations and, and try to,

1055
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,880
you know, teach people about 
wisdom because that's what 

1056
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,920
philosopher does. 
And that's what my 

1057
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,640
qualification, that's what my 
doctorate is, Philosophy, 

1058
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,600
doctorate, PhD. 
Yeah. 

1059
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,400
I mean, I think you should use 
the title. 

1060
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,280
Because you need to reclaim it. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. 

1061
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,200
I I agree. 
I mean, it was just, you know, 

1062
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,480
it just felt, yeah, during 
COVID, it felt like it was just 

1063
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,280
meaningless now, like everyone's
qualifications are just 

1064
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,040
meaningless if they're going to,
you know, peddle, peddle this 

1065
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,920
nonsense. 
I mean, what? 

1066
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,880
Fauci is also a doctor, but I 
mean, he's. 

1067
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,440
Destroyed. 
He's destroyed that title, and I

1068
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,520
think that people who are 
doctors like yourself should 

1069
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,640
reclaim it. 
Yeah. 

1070
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:00,840
Yeah. 
Well, thank you. 

1071
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,320
Yeah. 
So. 

1072
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,840
I'm, I'm trying to use it more 
like, I mean, I didn't even put 

1073
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,160
it on the front of my book, for 
example, which I would have, you

1074
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,040
know, you would think I would 
do, but I thought I'd just put 

1075
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,600
my nail, I put doctor on the 
back of the book. 

1076
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,600
But yeah, it was just, you know,
it's just because of how I was 

1077
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,680
feeling about the whole 
institution of education. 

1078
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,720
I was, I was feeling so down 
about it all during COVID and 

1079
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,200
like it like really let us down,
you know, in a, in a big, big 

1080
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,160
way. 
How can my audience follow your 

1081
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,000
work? 
OK, well I've got a YouTube 

1082
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,120
channel. 
Stephen A Young and I also have 

1083
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:39,440
a Patreon and a sub stack and my
homepage is stephenyoung.uk and 

1084
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,960
that's Stephen with AV and you 
can find everything on there. 

1085
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:48,040
Basically Stephen Young with AV.
Thank you for joining me in the.

1086
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,560
Trenches, you're very welcome. 
Thanks for having me back.