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OK, hello and welcome to UK 
Column News. 

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It's Monday the 25th of August 
2025. 

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Welcome to UK Column News. 
Just after 1:00, I'm your host, 

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Mike Robinson. 
Joining me in the studio today 

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is Charles Mallett, Brian 
Gerrish, Diane Rasmussen, 

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McCarthy, Ben Ruben, and Patrick
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I got it. 
All right. 

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Massive thank you to everybody 
that's in the room and all the 

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people that are outside waiting 
to get into the room. 

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It's fantastic. 
We're going to begin with 

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Charles today. 
And Charles is talking about 

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something or other. 
What is it, Charles? 

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National security, Yes. 
OK. 

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Thank you very much, Charles. 
National security, of course, 

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concerning everybody, always, 
all the time. 

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Thank you very much. 
And I should just say, if you're

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tuning into UK column News for 
the very first time and 

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wondering why we've overlaid 
this particular track onto our 

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news programme, we haven't. 
We're at a festival and there's 

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a music tent directly outside 
this one, so you'll just have to

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bear with it. 
But national security coming 

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into the headlines at the moment
from Hong Kong via the South 

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China Morning Post talking about
the protracted trial of Jimmy 

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Lai, which I won't go into great
detail on. 

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But suffice it to say that this 
is being documented at least in 

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the mainstream as being a pro 
democracy trial. 

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So we're just going to examine 
some of the things that have 

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fallen out from it and indeed 
some of the things that it's 

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pointing towards. 
But the situation in Hong Kong 

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at least, is that they're in the
concluding phase of the trial 

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now in the United Kingdom. 
This is being something that's 

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reported going back to 2019, the
protests which which were 

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apparently being supported by 
lies media organisation Apple 

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Daily subsequently having closed
reported or reputed to have 

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links at least with the Pentagon
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other organisations. 
But that will be something for 

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you perhaps to look into 
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The point I want to make in that
the the government has put out a

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document about this is that they
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China did in 20/20, which was to
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Now the way that's been written 
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and the United Kingdom is that 
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political will to do it. 
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happen, which was deemed to be a
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least of Hong Kong status as a 
special autonomous region. 

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So the point here to be drawn 
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security law was being deemed to
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have been conducted in a manner 
that didn't fit the correct and 

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lawful system, rather than 
dealing with the content 

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therein. 
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to concentrate on now. 
The fallout from this, as far as

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the United Kingdom was 
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of the apparently draconian 
national security law passed in 

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Hong Kong by the Chinese 
authorities, there was a 

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concession made by the United 
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National Overseas visa, which 
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of British nationality to people
in Hong Kong that wanted to move

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into this country. 
And just give you an idea of the

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effect of that. 
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there talking about people 
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humanitarian routes, updated 
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watching on screen four days 
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Oh good. 
This is the graph that shows 

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that effect. 
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out because not only does it 
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are at the lower end of the 
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And if you're, if you're 
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I'm sharing a bar chart that has
at June 2022, an enormous spike 

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in the number of people coming 
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having safe and legal 
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And the top of the the bar is 
dominated by 179,000 people from

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Ukraine and a slightly lesser 
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So with migration so much in the
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looking back to this as it's 
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and the hundreds of thousands of
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United Kingdom that way. 
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where the hypocrisy becomes most
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called the G7 rapid response 
mechanism, the RRM who've made a

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statement on what they're 
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extraterritorial arrest 
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And the the crux of the 
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government and sponsored by 
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authorities have, this is Hong 
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arrest warrants for bounties on 
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Kong's borders, including in the
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their freedom of expression. 
So that's what we are to take 

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away. 
We are to take away that because

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of a law that China put in where
Hong Kong lacked political will.

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The consequence of this is that 
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people from exercising their 
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Now we will go to examine 
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the case. 
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transnational repression 
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state sovereignty, human rights 
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So we've heard of all this. 
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quite so much about is our own 
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through in 2023, shown here on 
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government page. 
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in relation to part of the 
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that's enabled by this, which is
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Registration Scheme, which you 
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security minister, talking about
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I would just like to point out 
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objectivity when evaluating what
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foreign influence or indeed 
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And I've got on screen a 
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being an enhanced tier where 
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There are only two countries in 
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and you're probably already 
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Iran. 
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why they should be, but they 
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And this is all part of the way 
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developed via means of the 
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to create that particular 
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Now I've talked about the the 
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it's abbreviated to. 
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this out, which I have done 
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the hypocrisy. 
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registration of particular 
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strengthen the integrity of UK 
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protect the country from state 
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Quite rich language, one would 
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Now additionally, they do go on 
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expression, which is exactly 
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mechanism has just been 
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extraterritorial warrants. 
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this will not affect people's 
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will it prevent anyone from 
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activities. 
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transparency. 
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transparency really is there, 
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situation of extraterritorial 
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proceedings are concerned. 
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clipboard the particular 
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Security Act 2023, which causes 
the British law which has 

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extraterritorial powers. 
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Absolutely, the British 
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Section 2 concerning trade 
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And this of course, is the most 
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specifically labelled offences 
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is absolutely spectacular. 
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has been referenced for those of
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earlier today, I appreciate 
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on the screen. 
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but we've talked about the, the 
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2000 is used in a, in a absolute
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incorrectly. 
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Section 1 of the Terrorism Act 
2000 which includes action taken

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outside the United Kingdom and 
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1, including action taken for 
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organisation. 
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the whole idea of freedom of 
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And at the moment we are talking
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its prescription. 
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if you were to express support 
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foreign country, then you would 
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National Security Act and indeed
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So what the government are 
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authorities is absolutely 
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Now the reason I mention this is
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of expression is lumped into 
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lazily as conspiracy theory and 
how that is taken on and used 

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and manipulated. 
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Freedom being run by the Hope 
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And I would just remind you, if 
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they chose to speak to the BBC 
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might imagine, misrepresented to
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But I think the key bit of text 
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advertisement is this bit of 
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educating community really 
teaching children conspiracy 

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theories. 
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is neither here nor there. 
The point is really that the BBC

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are conceding that they have an 
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anything that hasn't come from 
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BBCI. 
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drawn from that. 
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a little bit further, in terms 
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information from, I would point 
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culture page they have a section
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which means they are running 
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people during school holidays in
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set on the right path. 
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where we started, which is the 
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2025. 
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extremist ideologies are on the 
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All of this has a link going 
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you are in the middle of it here
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this magnificent Hope event. 
So that's where we go from the 

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trial of Jimmy Lai straight 
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security strategy, with many 
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way. 
Thank you, Charles. 

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Slight change of topic here. 
We're going to head over to 

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Ukraine issues and Nord Stream 
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Patrick. 
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security context as well. 
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Away. 
Here we go. 

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Yes, Thank you, Charles. 
Thank you, Mike. 

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First thing I'm going to say is 
we have to get out of this 

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paradigm that we're stuck in. 
Extremism, Extremist ideologies.

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There's nothing extreme about 
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They're the extremists, OK? 
They're the extremists. 

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What's going on at the the high 
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we're seeing is just 
unbelievable. 

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Historically, that's extreme, 
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This is not a counterculture 
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You got to get out of their 
framework, OK? 

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This is the culture. 
They're the counterculture. 

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Just understand that they try to
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This is one of the hangovers of 
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The counterculture. 
No, no, we're the we're the 

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culture. 
McDonald's is the 

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counterculture. 
OK, Bank, the investment banks, 

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global transnational 
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That's the counterculture. 
OK, just want to get that 

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straight. 
I'll talk about the Nord Stream 

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pipeline a little bit. 
If you've watched the headlines 

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just to kind of, it's an 
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It does have an effect on our 
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It affects our fuel bill. 
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and powering our homes. 
And they, if you read, if you 

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read the news, there's been an 
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The Germans, the Germans are on 
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Rest assured, they're going to 
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They have their best people on 
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They've nabbed A Ukrainian named
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OK rested in Italy on holiday 
with his family and they believe

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he's one of the Nordstrom 
saboteurs connected to the crack

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team of Ukrainian super soldiers
that were seen drunk on the pier

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in Poland with a cigarette 
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a 50 foot sailboat. 
Pretty plausible, isn't it? 

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That's that's the story they're 
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That's the story they're going 
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So this is the biggest red 
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So what I'm going to say is pay 
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Pay attention to the Tommy, Why 
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All of a sudden, this Ukrainian,
they're keeping the story alive.

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There are political negotiations
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the United States and the 
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And trust me, the Russians have 
made Nordstrom an issue and they

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made it known to the Americans 
and whoever their counterparts 

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are in negotiations that that is
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negotiations. 
They want to have an independent

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investigation as to who did it. 
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investigation and they've been 
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year and a half. 
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Nordstrom pipelines were blown 
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zones, OK, They sent 
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reconnaissance teams 
immediately. 

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sensitive national security 
concerns. 

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similar excuse. 

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So it is very likely that the 
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that all of the NATO countries, 
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the evidence that I've looked at
exhaustively, some of which we 

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published and reported on at the
UK column, that most of the NATO

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countries that were involved in 
the drill which took place in 

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the Baltic Sea in July, I 
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BALTOPS 22 in 2022. 
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sabotage, OK, at least at the 
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Supreme Allied Commander of 
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and NORTHCOM as well. 
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States, Britain, Norway, 
Germany, would very likely have 

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been involved in this. 
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and I don't share that opinion 
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Many top investigators agree 
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pundits are now saying the same 
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drifted out. 
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deflect and distract from the 
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And that's all this story is. 
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down the road for another 10 
years and we'll still be arguing

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about it like JF KS 
assassination in 20 years. 

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If we're whoever's still around 
was saying did they did? 

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Did they not? 
Did they do it? 

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This is one of the biggest acts 
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sabotage really in the modern 
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It's state terrorism and it's 
gone unpunished. 

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But the worst thing about it is 
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it. 
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media. 
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significant and that 
consequential to the cost of 

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living in Europe and our 
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You can't even talk about. 
It's verboten. 

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So that itself is incredible. 
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situation, the type of time in 
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The other story which has come 
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story. 
I've got a point to make on this

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that is probably unexpected, but
in terms of the deaths in Gaza, 

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officially 62,000, officially, 
not unofficially, officially 

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62,000. 
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higher, which I'll show you in a
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But this was a story 
investigation done by the 

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Guardian in the UK and 972 
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I think this is an Israeli 
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are quote, civilians in Gaza. 
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mainstream standards has been 
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the amount of civilian 
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basically debunking the Israeli 
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OK, it's taking a long time, but
they're doing it as well. 

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Harvard Dataverse and Ben Gurion
University in Israel released a 

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report which we reported on a 
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number of casualties in Gaza 
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dead or missing 377,000. 
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that's the Guardian or it's an 
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Why would you trust them? 
It's all lies. 

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The mainstream media is lying. 
And Harvard Dataverse. 

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I mean, Harvard must be. 
It's an elite institution. 

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Why would you listen to them? 
Ben Gurion University, it's an 

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Israeli institution. 
Why would you listen to them? 

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These are mainstream sources. 
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lot of lies in the mainstream 
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A lot. 
But not everything is a lie in 

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the mainstream media. 
And sometimes, and not everybody

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in the mainstream media is evil.
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all of these institutions, and 
there are bad journalists and 

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corrupt editors and gatekeepers 
and men in black suits standing 

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off the camera directing and 
denotices issued. 

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OK, that happens. 
But belatedly, sometimes the 

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truth starts coming out and that
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you something that sounds 
shocking and it's going against.

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The government, your 
government's narrative and 

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against the, in this case, the 
Israeli government narrative, 

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you should take notice because 
that means the penny is finally 

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dropping. 
My opinion, way too late, way 

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too late. 
It's not going to save any of 

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those 377,000 dead or missing 
Palestinians. 

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And the other study that says 
85% of civilians, what do they 

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mean by civilians? 
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it in in that sense, when I I 
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that is a is a, is an armed 
militia in an occupied 

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territory? 
Are they, is the militia part of

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the civilian population? 
Some people would define it as 

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such, international law and the 
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But our governments in the UK, 
in the United States and in G7 

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countries or EU countries, many 
of them will say no armed 

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resistance in Gaza is terror. 
Are they terrorist 

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organisations? 
We've prescribed them that's, I 

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love that word prescribed. 
We prescribe them as terrorist 

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organisations, but that goes 
against UN Charter. 

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International law says every 
country has the right to an 

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armed resistance struggle if 
they are being illegally 

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occupied and according to 
multiple UN resolutions that is 

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undoubtedly the case full. 
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international law that supports 
that. 

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But our government in the United
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European countries, they don't 
recognise that, that in their in

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their mind and in their foreign 
policy, their proscription of 

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these groups, even though these 
groups have never attacked 

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America, have never attacked 
Britain, have never done any 

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Expeditionary terrorism at all. 
But because Israel says they're 

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terrorists, they have lobbied 
hard on our governments to label

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them as terrorists. 
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Gaza. 
There's many around the world 

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that fall into the exact same 
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Anybody that goes against the US
foreign policy or against the 

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dictats of the US State 
Department most likely will be 

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labelled a terrorist 
organisation. 

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They will be proscribed. 
OK, is that fair? 

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Does that make any sense? 
Is that aligned with 

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international law? 
And somebody say, well, there's 

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no such thing as international 
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No, there's not, not here and 
not in America, but the other 

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90% of the globe actually 
follows it and has to follow it.

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But our governments don't 
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This is 2 tiers of geopolitics. 
That's the irony. 

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That's the dichotomy. 
And that's where the debate 

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needs to be. 
So I will just leave leave you 

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with those two things to think 
about. 

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And yeah, to my colleague Mike, 
thank you. 

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Thank you, Patrick. 
OK, let's let's move on to 

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online safety. 
And I just want to everybody 

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know what 4 Chan is. 
Yes, for for those that don't, 4

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Chan is a, a discussion group, A
forum based in the United 

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States. 
It has quite a reputation for 

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hosting pretty much any kind of 
content that possibly exists. 

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Some of it's very unpleasant, 
but nonetheless it's there 

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because apparently the United 
States has a constitutional 

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right to freedom of speech. 
But Ofcom, as we know, is the 

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body in the United Kingdom that 
is required to implement the 

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Online Safety Act and to act as 
the generator of government 

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censorship in the UK. 
And Ofcom has decided that it is

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going to be a regulator of the 
entire Internet and on the 

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entire globe. 
So they have decided to open and

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they decided in June actually to
open an investigation into 4 

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Chan. 
And I'm sure you won't be able 

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to read that, but So what it 
says is we're initiating an 

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investigation to determine 
whether the online discussion 

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board, 4 Chan has failed or is 
currently failing to comply with

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its obligations under the Online
Safety Act. 

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Our investigation will focus on 
potential breaches in the 

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following areas. 
Failure to respond to statutory 

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information requests. 
Remember, they're based in the 

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United States. 
They're not here. 

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There is no statutory 
information request that applies

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to them. 
Failure to complete and keep a 

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record of suitable and 
sufficient illegal content risk 

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assessment and non compliance 
with the safety duties about 

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illegal content. 
So that was in June and then ten

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days ago or so they issued a 
notice to 4 Chan saying Ofcom is

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satisfied that that there are 
reasonable grounds for believing

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that the provider has 
contravened its duties under 

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Section 102 B of the Act to 
comply with two requests for 

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information. 
We'll consider any 

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representations provided in 
response. 

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Blahdy, blahdy blah. 
The Ofcom statement then doesn't

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go on to define sanctions, but 4
Chan's lawyers are saying that 

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Ofcom has imposed a £20,000 fine
with daily penalties after that.

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And I'm pretty sure that they'll
be interest applied to any 

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outstanding payments. 
That's what they're going to try

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anyway, but unfortunately for 
Ofcom, the 4 Chan lawyers have 

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decided to reply with a 
statement which although it 

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appears quite long on screen, 
then there ends with the word 

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off. 
So you can imagine what that 

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said. 
Now, as I say 4 Chan 

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controversial because people are
able to post just about anything

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that they like. 
But of course, as we've seen 

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with the issue of age assurance 
and so called pornography or 

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pornography size, but I say so 
called because that's how it's 

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being presented in the media, 
that age assurance and the 

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requirement to identify yourself
to websites. 

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Now it's just about pornography,
when in fact it's about just 

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about every social media 
platform that's out there at the

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moment. 
And of course, we've seen as a 

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result this massive rise in 
people getting interested in 

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VPNs, virtual private networks 
and the ability to to be 

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relatively anonymous in your 
Internet usage, but also to 

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appear to be coming upon these 
sites from a different country 

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and therefore not subject to the
age assurance requirements. 

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Other related news then is that 
TikTok has decided that they now

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just before we said, but this 
TikTok is the most censorious 

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social media platform that we 
have ever come across. 

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Kenny, if you speak to Kenny 
later, who's at the back of the 

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room will tell you that we are 
regularly having TikTok channels

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shut down and he's regularly 
having to buy another SIM card, 

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get another mobile phone number 
and open it in order to open 

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another TikTok account. 
And but so they are the most 

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censorious. 
So you you perhaps understand 

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that I'm not terribly sad that 
they've decided to fire or at 

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least make redundant most of 
their moderation team. 

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Hundreds of hundreds of jobs 
being lost in the UK just at the

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time that of course they're 
required to start implementing 

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an even more rigorous regime as 
a result of the Online Safety 

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Act. 
That's the good news. 

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The bad news is that the reason 
that they feel they can get rid 

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of all these people is they're 
going to be increasingly relying

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on AI to make these decisions. 
OK, good news. 

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Yeah. 
It's perhaps a a bit ironic then

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that they have decided to update
their terms and conditions and 

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their their policies in this 
area. 

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So this is safety and civility. 
And so that's as you can see at 

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the top there in the pink area, 
that is basically saying that as

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from the 15th of September, the 
rules are changing and that the 

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new rules are going to be 
implemented. 

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So let's just have a look at the
new rules here and let me just 

461
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,960
find this here. 
So the ones that I want to 

462
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,440
highlight hate speech and 
hateful behaviour, we don't 

463
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,200
allow content that provokes hate
or attacks people based on 

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00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,280
protected attributes like race, 
religion, gender or sexual 

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00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,680
orientation. 
OK, Violent and hateful 

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00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,680
organisations and individuals, 
we don't allow people or groups.

467
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,360
Now, I'd, I'd advise you just to
sit carefully in your chair 

468
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,440
because you may fall off as I, 
as I read this, violent and 

469
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,160
hateful organisations and 
individuals. 

470
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,760
We don't allow people or groups 
that promote violence or hate, 

471
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,120
including violent extremists, 
criminal organisations or those 

472
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,240
responsible for mass violence, 
right. 

473
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,640
If we post anything to TikTok 
about Israel, it's taken down 

474
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,960
immediately, am I right, Kenny 
Right. 

475
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,920
OK, so that's that's why we 
haven't posted in TikTok for a 

476
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,360
while. 
It's it's taken down 

477
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,120
immediately. 
Any criticism of Israel? 

478
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,760
And yet in their terms and 
conditions, it says including 

479
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,280
those responsible for mass 
violence. 

480
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,360
Is Israel not responsible for 
mass violence? 

481
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,880
OK, that's what's the next one. 
Then the next one is integrity 

482
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,280
and authority. 
Misinformation. 

483
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,960
We don't allow misinformation 
that could cause significant 

484
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,400
harm to individuals or society. 
Define it, please. 

485
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,560
Right. 
What is the definition? 

486
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,840
It's what they decide and it's 
completely arbitrary. 

487
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,320
And of course, this is a 
reflection of the legislation. 

488
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,840
It is undefined in the 
legislation. 

489
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,080
It's undefined in their terms 
and conditions. 

490
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,520
They make it up as they go 
along. 

491
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,440
But more importantly, 
government, UK government is 

492
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,360
sending little hints. 
Maybe UK columns shouldn't be on

493
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,600
this platform. 
Maybe 21st Century Wire 

494
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,000
shouldn't be on this platform, 
this kind of thing, right? 

495
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,400
So, so I just want to finish 
this segment then with a report 

496
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,240
that's appeared in the Register 
entitled. 

497
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,960
It's not a report, it's an 
opinion piece. 

498
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,800
I should say it's entitled. 
The Online Safety Act is about 

499
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,600
censorship and not safety. 
Patrick, how many years have we 

500
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,760
been saying this? 
7-8 years we've been saying 

501
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,760
this. 
The Online Safety Act was never 

502
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,000
about safety, never about the 
safety of children. 

503
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,200
It's only about censorship. 
But I just want to highlight a 

504
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,120
few of the things that this guy 
says. 

505
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:51,760
Now this is a guy called Paige 
Collins, he's from the 

506
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:57,280
Electronic Frontier Foundation. 
This is a a campaign group based

507
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,320
in the United States that that 
tries to make sure that the 

508
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,280
Internet is is open and free and
non censorious and non 

509
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,000
surveillance as possible. 
And he's saying here, 

510
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,360
implementation of the UK Online 
Safety Act is giving Internet 

511
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,400
users around the globe, 
including those in the United 

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00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:19,400
States moving to enact their own
age verification laws, real time

513
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,040
proof that such laws impinge on 
everyone's rights to speak, read

514
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,560
and view freely. 
I'll just make the point that 

515
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,240
that's not my mistake in the 
text there that was just copied 

516
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,640
and pasted from his article. 
So he did say U.S. states. 

517
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,760
So anyway, it goes on to say the
new USA rules require all online

518
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,800
services accessible in the UK, 
social media, search engines, 

519
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,960
music sites and adult content 
providers to enforce age cheques

520
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,880
and keep children from saying 
quotes harmful content. 

521
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,200
Social media platforms Reddit, 
Blue Sky, Discord and X all 

522
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,400
introduced age cheques. 
Spotify are requiring users to 

523
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,360
submit face scans to a third 
party digital identity company, 

524
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Yoda to access content labelled 
18 Plus. 

525
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,160
Now the point here is he again 
is falling into this trap of 

526
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,640
yes, OK, he's recognising that, 
that the legislation is pushing 

527
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,840
at the moment to verify that 
somebody is over the age of 18 

528
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,680
before they get access to 
certain content. 

529
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040
I'm not aware that anybody 
except the UK column has been 

530
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,520
pointing out that, yeah, that's 
fine, but nobody is doing 

531
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,680
anything to assure the age of an
adult who's using a child 

532
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,120
orientated website and 
pretending to be a child. 

533
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,480
Children are not required to age
to verify that they are under 18

534
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,480
for those platforms and 
therefore adults are still able 

535
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,360
to access those platforms. 
And the numbers of cases that 

536
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,360
are reported to social media 
platforms of adults grooming 

537
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,680
children on, you know, platforms
that are age appropriate for 

538
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,800
children is through the roof and
nobody's looking at this. 

539
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,640
Ofcom is not really too 
concerned about it. 

540
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,680
They're saying, well, age 
assurance is going to deal with 

541
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,320
it. 
It is not going to deal with it 

542
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,160
anyway. 
Page goes on to say the scope of

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00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,800
so called harmful content is 
subjective and arbitrary and 

544
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,000
often sweeps up content that 
governments and CEOs of online 

545
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,600
services might not want, 
regardless of whether it's legal

546
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,960
content or not. 
That is a fair comment. 

547
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,280
But you know, he's still not not
grasping the full nettle here. 

548
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,560
And there's, there's much more 
to this act we've got to 

549
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,800
remember. 
So far we've only had two 

550
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,280
aspects of the Online Safety Act
actually published by Ofcom that

551
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,720
is so called illegal harms, 
again, not fully defined, and 

552
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,560
the age assurance thing. 
The age assurance thing is the 

553
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,960
thing which has caused this to 
happen. 

554
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,880
It is that is the the aspect of 
the act that has caused that to 

555
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,440
happen. 
But these are only two of a wide

556
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,000
ranging and really unpleasantly 
draconian act. 

557
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,400
And there will be more to come 
on this. 

558
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:59,400
But again, just to reiterate, we
need this number to be around 

559
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,520
the 2,000,000 mark as as a goal.
Because once we start getting it

560
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,480
to that level, then more and 
more people are starting to get 

561
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,200
some kind of oversight of what 
this is. 

562
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,080
And we need to start talking 
about the other aspects of it 

563
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,239
that are coming. 
And one that I just want to 

564
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,679
briefly mention once again 
before I finish is this issue of

565
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,800
protecting so called 
journalistic content from 

566
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,679
recognised news publishers. 
And that is the mainstream media

567
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,639
mainly that's who they have in 
mind for this. 

568
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,280
So that most people who are 
commenting social media can have

569
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,679
their content arbitrarily 
removed. 

570
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,679
But the mainstream media, the 
aim of the ACT is to make sure 

571
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,960
the mainstream media that their 
content is retained and is there

572
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,520
for everybody. 
So, so that's that's where I 

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00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,360
want to leave that for today. 
Now add break. 

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00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,400
Who wants to do the ad? 
Do you want to do the ad break 

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00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,920
chart? 
No, OK, I'm doing the ad break. 

576
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,320
OK. 
For everybody that's watching on

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00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,400
Monday, if you're not AUK column
member, please do join us. 

578
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,000
We do need your financial 
support. 

579
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,720
Thank you to everybody that is 
supporting us this way. 

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00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:02,840
If you look on the UK column, 
new website front page, there's 

581
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,320
a nice big button there for you 
to press which will show you all

582
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,280
the various options. 
And the only other ad that I 

583
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,080
want to mention today is the 
York event coming on the 18th of

584
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,840
October. 
It's going to be a fantastic 

585
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,400
event. 
Lots of people have bought 

586
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,040
tickets already. 
They're running out fast. 

587
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,880
Andrew Wakefield is going to be 
speaking to it. 

588
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,080
And if anybody is joining us for
that, everybody either online or

589
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,680
in person will get access to 
Andrew Wakefield's film Protocol

590
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,400
7. 
Tess Laurie is also joining us 

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00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,000
for that. 
And we'll be announcing more 

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00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,680
speakers in the coming week. 
Brian, you're next. 

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00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:53,400
Well, it's a pleasure to see a 
live audience because normally 

594
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,560
we look at a a camera screen or 
a computer screen and that's the

595
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,240
audience and I'm talking to a 
black screen. 

596
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:04,360
So it's great to see faces. 
Now we've done a lot of 

597
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,520
geopolitical stuff. 
We've done a lot on law and 

598
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,720
legislation, and the message in 
today's news has overwhelmingly 

599
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:16,920
been something is closing in on 
our society. 

600
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,720
It's designed to silence us. 
It's designed to restrict what 

601
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:25,720
we can do. 
It's designed to change us in 

602
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,880
all sorts of different ways. 
But I just want to bring in 

603
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,520
another layer, hopefully, which 
of these is going to do it. 

604
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,280
I seem to have this problem when
I there we are. 

605
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,880
OK, It's gone now. 
Little things make a big 

606
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,240
difference. 
So this is an email that came in

607
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,960
to me a couple of days ago and 
it just said, dear Brian, the 

608
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,320
church is trying to destroy 
itself. 

609
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,040
There can be no doubt. 
Please do as you wish with the 

610
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,280
information below. 
And that came from Auk column 

611
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:05,680
supporter in Cornwall. 
Now I knew the context of this 

612
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,640
because unknown to quite a few 
people, there is a massive 

613
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,080
attack going on at the moment 
against not only Christianity 

614
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,760
but churches, and this is 
happening all across the 

615
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,760
country. 
It's very pernicious. 

616
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,200
Many people can't see it, except
the people who are still active 

617
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,080
in the Church of England and are
still going to their local 

618
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,120
church because they are seeing 
things happening. 

619
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:37,440
Now, one of the groups that set 
itself up in Cornwall is called 

620
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,320
Save the Parish. 
And this is just a local group 

621
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,720
and they are fighting. 
They are really trying to fight.

622
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,160
And what are they seeing happen?
Well, they're seeing the Church 

623
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:53,120
of England deciding that 
basically they can't afford 

624
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,840
vicars. 
Church of England doesn't have 

625
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,720
any money. 
We'll challenge that a bit, a 

626
00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:59,920
little bit later in this news 
segment. 

627
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:04,560
But, and so what's going to 
happen is that vicars are going 

628
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,960
to retire, leaving fewer vicars.
And then the vicars that remain 

629
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,160
are going to be asked to look 
after more than one church, 2 

630
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,440
churches, three churches, 4 
churches, 6 churches. 

631
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,080
And when you look at this plan 
of action, of course, it's 

632
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,200
totally untenable. 
It's impossible for one vicar to

633
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,040
do the proper job of not only 
looking after the church and 

634
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:35,960
running Christianity in his his,
his or her parish, but also the 

635
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,480
pastoral care, getting round and
visiting people in need and 

636
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,720
doing things which perhaps good 
Christians should be doing. 

637
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,560
So this is a a created protest 
group in Cornwall and they've 

638
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:54,000
been starting to push back now. 
I was given a little heads up 

639
00:38:55,040 --> 00:39:01,640
that this man is retired Admiral
called Sir James, Sir James 

640
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:07,360
Burnell Nugent and he he was 
former commander in Chief fleet.

641
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,120
So this is a man of some of some
substance. 

642
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,480
He has actually been involved 
with this group challenging what

643
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,160
the Church of England is doing. 
And I take a lot of comfort for 

644
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,920
this because very often, and 
I've been very frustrated in the

645
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,080
past that we've never seen 
senior military officers having 

646
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,920
the guts to stand up and be 
counted on a number of issues. 

647
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,960
But here, very quietly, this man
has been standing up to 

648
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,120
challenge what's been happening 
with the church. 

649
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:41,120
This is a little bit of of his 
CV, if you like, in relation to 

650
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,040
this. 
So he's been a church warden and

651
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,840
he's been a member of the 
Bishops, Diocesan Council, the 

652
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,800
Deanery Synod and the local 
worship leader. 

653
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,480
And his objective at the moment 
is to persuade the Church of 

654
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,800
England in its various forms to 
place parishes higher in their 

655
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,880
priorities rather than seeing 
them a source of resources. 

656
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,720
Now that's very polite language,
and I'd expect nothing less from

657
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:14,560
a senior officer because they 
will always go for the polite 

658
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,600
language. 
I can read through this and say 

659
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,360
this man is actually starting to
wake up and he's seeing 

660
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,080
something. 
So this is a bit more. 

661
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:29,080
Has that changed? 
Yeah, what he said here is if 

662
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,440
you have experience of being in 
a large benefits with few clergy

663
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,240
where there's limited pastoral 
care and much reduced regular 

664
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:42,400
Sunday services, especially Holy
Communion, then please make a 

665
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,880
representation explaining why 
these large groupings do not 

666
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,200
work. 
That's the the amount of the 

667
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,640
grouping up of churches he's 
talking about. 

668
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,120
Then he goes on to say there's a
growing body of evidence that 

669
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:02,280
these amalgamations lead to 
quote a doom loop of reducing 

670
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,040
church attendance, decline in 
pastoral care and deteriorating 

671
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,880
finances. 
And if this machine will work 

672
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,240
for me, let's bring this in. 
This is a Christian saying. 

673
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:19,720
I can see doom, death, 
destruction coming into the 

674
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,640
church system. 
I am looking at the church 

675
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,000
system itself, the Christian 
Church being undermined and 

676
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:32,560
destroyed and who is doing it? 
The Church of England itself, 

677
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,960
the highest authorities in the 
Church of England. 

678
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:40,600
So the final part of what he 
what he states publicly in this 

679
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,080
group is that they failed to 
deliver the Church of England 

680
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,040
strap line of a Christian 
presence in every community. 

681
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,080
So instead of the Christian 
Church trying to expand and win 

682
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,240
over people and convince people 
that perhaps in faith and the 

683
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:00,600
Christian faith there's 
something to be gained, they are

684
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,880
looking at the policies coming 
from the top of the Church of 

685
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,920
England are actually destroying 
the very church and faith system

686
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,840
itself. 
He says that many diocese, 

687
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,760
including Truro, are ignoring 
this evidence and pressing on 

688
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,280
with large parish groupings of 
churches. 

689
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,240
If you can add evidence of your 
own experience that these large 

690
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:26,560
groupings do not work, it would 
be extremely helpful to any 

691
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,600
parish unhappily facing the 
prospect of a merger, 

692
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,720
particularly those in the Lizard
Peninsula. 

693
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,200
Now if you think this is 
localised to Cornwall, it's 

694
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,760
absolutely not because this is 
centralised Church of England 

695
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,840
policy which is happening across
UK and there's been some 

696
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:51,920
disastrous examples of how this 
policy has been unfolded in the 

697
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:57,480
Midlands, which is absolutely 
devastated the remaining Church 

698
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:02,640
for communities. 
So how can we show what's really

699
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,040
happening? 
Well the UK column about a year 

700
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:11,120
ago now focused in on this man 
who was at the time the Bishop 

701
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,880
of Truro. 
And it was his policies that was

702
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,040
bringing in this grouping up of 
churches, getting rid of vicars 

703
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,880
and increasingly increasing the 
number of staff who had nothing 

704
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,960
to do with faith or pastoral 
care. 

705
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,000
And we were very taken with this
image because it was the image 

706
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,280
used in a talk that he gave over
what he was trying to achieve. 

707
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:40,640
But the words were there will be
no return to the way things 

708
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,760
were. 
So not only is the church 

709
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,280
destroying itself from the 
inside, there's the warning. 

710
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,640
Don't even think that you are 
going to do something to stop it

711
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,720
because there's no way back now.
What he didn't anticipate was 

712
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,800
that in Cornwall at least a 
group of people would stand up 

713
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,760
and say no, we're fighting back.
And as a result, when he left 

714
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:13,720
his post as Bishop to move on to
a a new, a new site, I think he 

715
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:18,040
went to Winchester, he went 
under a very big black cloud and

716
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,520
his reputation was in a bad 
place. 

717
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,560
And what am I talking about 
here? 

718
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,480
Really, this is people power in 
action. 

719
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:33,000
So if we look at him, what he 
said, Bishop Philip has said in 

720
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,000
a publicly available, sorry, 
publicly available video, there 

721
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,360
will be no going back. 
The change will take place. 

722
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,240
Things are not to remain the 
same. 

723
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,960
And he claims to be guided in 
this destruction of the 

724
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,560
Christian Church by God. 
This is fantastic, absolutely 

725
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:56,600
incredible arrogance. 
He claims to be guided in this 

726
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,480
by God in response to the dire 
financial shortages in the 

727
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,600
county's bishopric, the Diocese 
of Truro. 

728
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,920
This is another lie because the 
Church of England is not short 

729
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,320
of money. 
It's just where it chooses to 

730
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,280
use money. 
All the while, he's being 

731
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,680
assisted by external advisors 
and facilitators who must be 

732
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:24,000
paid money sucked away from 
pastoral care to a big corporate

733
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,760
machine. 
Truro diocese already employs 38

734
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,680
permanent staff compared to 64 
clergy. 

735
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,880
So the Church of England is 
becoming a corporation, a 

736
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,000
corporate body which is 
destroying the faith which is 

737
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,160
supposed to be promoting. 
And this is a very big attack on

738
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,240
what remains of our culture. 
And lastly, it says here it 

739
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:56,200
spends 30, sorry, 350,000 lbs 
annually on net zero climate 

740
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:01,200
change work. 
Never mind supporting the poor, 

741
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,720
the ill, the sick, the 
suffering. 

742
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,120
We're going to get into climate 
change, right? 

743
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,400
This is deliberate policy. 
The beast is in the church and 

744
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,040
it wants to destroy it and it 
wants to destroy Christianity. 

745
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:22,200
Now UK Column has reported this 
is one of the articles you can 

746
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,080
find on the website Welbeys 
Church of England 2021. 

747
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,840
Trillions for guy. 
Agreed, but peanuts for the 

748
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,840
peasants. 
Why do we, why did we use 

749
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,640
trillions? 
Well, because when you get into 

750
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,160
what is known as the Church of 
England's Transition Pathway 

751
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:47,320
Initiative, in the centre of the
description of what it's about, 

752
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,640
this was Wellby, Archbishop of 
Canterbury at the time, boasting

753
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,640
that he was interacting with 
global bankers and investors, 

754
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:03,760
huge hedge hedge funds, and that
they had already raised 10.1 

755
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,200
trillion in order to progress 
climate change. 

756
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,560
So the head of the Church of 
England was not doing anything 

757
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,840
to repair the roofs of the 
churches. 

758
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,760
He was not doing anything to pay
the wages of the vicars. 

759
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,720
He was doing nothing to help the
poor and the needy, but 

760
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:26,520
supposedly as a Christian he was
interfacing with those bankers 

761
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,360
like Christine Lagarde for 
example, and they had already 

762
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:38,480
raised 10.1 trillion. 
Right now two things are going 

763
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,520
on here. 
They want to destroy the 

764
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,680
Christian Church. 
I'll just bring in some more 

765
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,760
articles from UK column. 
Let's put them up on the screen.

766
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,800
So this is the one where we were
talking about what was happening

767
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,200
with Truro and what was taking 
in place in Cornwall. 

768
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,920
If I bring up the second one 
here, this was Christians in 

769
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,160
Cornwall speaking out and I was 
able to do an anonymous 

770
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,040
interview with somebody in 
Cornwall who was prepared to 

771
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,120
talk about what was happening in
the church. 

772
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,560
Why was it anonymous? 
Because they are frightened of 

773
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,040
the backlash from within the 
church. 

774
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,040
And indeed, the Bishop of Truro 
had built himself up a 

775
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,600
reputation that people who went 
to him to remonstrate against 

776
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,560
these packaging up of the 
churches, He was very abrupt, 

777
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,120
abusive, particularly to women 
in the discussions. 

778
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:40,160
And he was incredibly arrogant. 
And so it took somebody to come 

779
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,280
and see me to do an interview 
anonymously. 

780
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,640
Now Charles is Charles Mallett 
has also been digging into 

781
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,280
what's been happening with the 
church. 

782
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:55,480
And of course, here he's 
flagging up the no prayer laws. 

783
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,520
And I'd say to you, just think 
about this. 

784
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:03,360
What is the state frightened of?
It's frightened of you speaking 

785
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,040
your mind. 
It's frightened of you doing 

786
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,840
what you think is right, but it 
is frightened of prayer. 

787
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,480
There's a reason for this. 
When I get the opportunity to 

788
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,840
talk to you at the end of the 
day, we'll discuss it a bit 

789
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,520
more, but that's another one of 
the articles up on the website. 

790
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,400
We've also got another one there
where's where will be no prayer 

791
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,360
zones, a challenge to the 
churches. 

792
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,560
And finally this one back to 
where we started, which is about

793
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:38,480
well be and the fact that he can
raise 10.1 trillion for climate 

794
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,160
change, but he can't solve the 
problems inside the Church of 

795
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,160
England. 
If I sum this up, this is an 

796
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,320
immense attack on culture in 
this country. 

797
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,200
As we came here, Ben and I drove
through a really lovely little 

798
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,080
village, can't remember the 
name, but it was a postcard with

799
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,480
a beautiful church. 
I would guess Norman, I may be 

800
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,520
wrong. 
You might not be a churchgoer, 

801
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,000
but you can appreciate the 
architecture and beauty of the 

802
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:13,200
churches in this country. 
This is all to be destroyed, as 

803
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:19,240
is any real engagement with 
faith, because they regard 

804
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:24,480
people of faith as being too 
strong to stand up against these

805
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,160
draconian laws, which the start 
of the UK column News has talked

806
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,360
about. 
So I'm going to end there. 

807
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,640
And I'm going to say it's 
beautiful to see your faces 

808
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,800
instead of that camera. 
We've got more time today, so 

809
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,520
today, happily, we'll be able to
discuss some more of the subject

810
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,760
matter, perhaps in extra time, 
but also at the end of the day. 

811
00:50:48,840 --> 00:51:01,100
Thank you. 
Thank you, Brian. 

812
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:04,500
And you know, we criticised the 
British government for not 

813
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:07,140
defining terms in legislation, 
but I did notice that when you 

814
00:51:07,140 --> 00:51:09,420
were talking about Welby and 
Lagarde, you left the term 

815
00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:12,420
interfaced undefined. 
I'll leave you to think about 

816
00:51:12,420 --> 00:51:25,920
that now, Diane. 
Hello everyone, thanks Mike. 

817
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,160
Can I go back to the outbreak 
for just a moment please? 

818
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,160
Just to let everyone know, the 
interview going out on Tuesday 

819
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:35,320
is Louise Payton. 
She is a a former NHS nurse, 

820
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,120
trained in the NHS, still is a 
nurse. 

821
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,360
However, she has been deemed non
compliant by the NHS since 2001 

822
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,960
because she refused taking jabs 
far back as 25 years. 

823
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,160
So she has an amazing story to 
tell about her career and her 

824
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,280
new role as a holistic healer. 
And I met her at the Thetford 

825
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,240
Truth and Freedom Festival that 
I went to you a few weeks ago. 

826
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,920
So please join us Tuesday at 
1:00 or streaming afterward. 

827
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,040
I have some different topics I'm
going to talk about today that 

828
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,160
relate mostly to libraries and 
education as you might expect 

829
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,600
from me. 
If you watch UK, call them 

830
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,760
regularly. 
I do first have a bit of 

831
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,960
breaking news that I do not have
in the slides. 

832
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,640
For those of you who have been 
following the Fernethi 

833
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,320
Residential School case that 
we've been following since what 

834
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,760
about over three years now. 
Colin Smith MSP who was the the 

835
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,320
the MSP who has led the the 
petition for their their fight 

836
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,640
to justice. 
These were young girls at the 

837
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,440
time who were badly abused and 
always possible as young girls 

838
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,320
from Glasgow at Fernethi 
Residential School from 

839
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,120
approximately 1960 to 1991. 
Colin Smith got this all the way

840
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,360
to the debate on the floor of 
the Scottish Parliament like I 

841
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,880
believe it was last month. 
It was just announced this week 

842
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:51,880
by the BBC and other mainstream 
outlets that Colin Smith, who is

843
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,080
who was a member of the Labor 
Party until this week, has been 

844
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,520
suspended from Labour for 
possession of indecent images of

845
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,680
children. 
And he's the one who's been 

846
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,200
fighting for the sexual abuse of
these girls that happened for 

847
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,880
all of this time. 
So I just want you to be aware 

848
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,000
that even if we think that it's 
somebody that seems trustworthy,

849
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,680
we have to watch everyone 
because chances are they might 

850
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,920
not be. 
So what I want to talk to you 

851
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:21,560
today about specifically in 
today's news is this was a tweet

852
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,480
that I saw that actually UK 
Column Viewer shared with me a 

853
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,320
few days ago. 
This is a man called Luke 

854
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,960
Glowacki. 
He is a PhD from end 

855
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,480
anthropology from America. 
He is an anthropologist at 

856
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,240
Boston University. 
He's done some really amazing 

857
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:42,200
work. 
I believe he's still rising up 

858
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,720
in his career. 
He's currently an assistant 

859
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:47,000
professor, but over the years 
he's been doing a lot of work in

860
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,560
Ethiopia in in truly 
disadvantaged areas and trying 

861
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,960
to make things truly better for 
people in that part of the 

862
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,600
world. 
This is just part of his CV 

863
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,000
thing. 
You know, he was educated at 

864
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,560
from Harvard. 
He's working at Penn State 

865
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,040
University, Boston University, 
some of the top universities, as

866
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,440
we call the Ivy League schools 
in America for the last several 

867
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,840
years. 
And he did his training there. 

868
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,680
So here's here he is out in the 
field in Ethiopia, truly making 

869
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,080
connections with people in the 
field, trying to understand how 

870
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,040
to create relationships. 
And really, I, I looked into 

871
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,200
what he's done quite a bit. 
And as a, you know, as a 

872
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,560
cancelled academic myself, I, I 
do truly respect his work. 

873
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,680
And I can't say that for a lot 
of academics anymore in the 

874
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,720
field. 
So what happened to him this 

875
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,720
week? 
He shared this tweet. 

876
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:39,680
It's had over 600,000 views and 
thousands of shares. 

877
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,880
He, as you all know, or you know
if you watch me at all, I'm a 

878
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,080
cancelled librarian as well as a
cancelled academic for trying to

879
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,800
speak out in favour of children 
and against ideology taking over

880
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,680
the university libraries in this
country and throughout the West.

881
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,520
He shared this information 
saying that he, his university 

882
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,800
librarian, so again at Boston 
University, just reached out to 

883
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,960
faculty members asking us to 
sign a quote citation justice 

884
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,240
pledge. 
So now we don't just have social

885
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,160
justice, we don't just have 
climate justice. 

886
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,040
We now have citations justice, 
right? 

887
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,520
So what are citations? 
Just as a reminder as UK columns

888
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,600
librarian, that when you write a
paper, you have to put your 

889
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,200
citations at the end, just as we
do in show notes, right? 

890
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,320
Those are citations to link back
to the original sources that we 

891
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,200
used. 
So now we have to have citation 

892
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,280
justice. 
And so he's shared photos of all

893
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,640
this and he, I'll show this to 
you in just a minute. 

894
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,480
He said I was quiet for years in
the face of Allison Anity, 

895
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,240
looking for a job, didn't have 
tenure, etcetera. 

896
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,240
But after seeing how our 
universities have been rocked, 

897
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,760
if we are to have any hope of 
fixing them, we have to speak up

898
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,160
more, much more. 
Let's give Doctor Luke a round 

899
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,760
of applause, please. 
It takes a lot to speak out. 

900
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,960
So the citation Justice pledge, 
which his faculty was asked to 

901
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,920
sign up for, I'll just, I'll 
just share a bit of it. 

902
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,280
They have a big impact 
apparently on scholars and their

903
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,960
successes. 
Citation Justice allows us to 

904
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,160
use the power of citations to 
address historical and 

905
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,560
continuing under citation of 
certain groups by being 

906
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,800
intentional with our citation 
practises. 

907
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,440
This fall, your Librarian is 
launching A Citation Justice 

908
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,640
Pledge to encourage all of us at
Boston University to commit to 

909
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,040
intentionally uplifting and 
centering the scholarship of 

910
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,160
individuals who, because of our 
systems and the legacy of 

911
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,920
historic system, which means 
Western universities, even 

912
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,240
though they're in the West as 
I'll be here, have not been 

913
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:35,960
centred in publishing and 
research. 

914
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,520
This includes authors who are 
Black, Indigenous, persons of 

915
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:44,680
colour, of varied abilities and 
part of the two SL, GB, TQIA 

916
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,320
Plus community. 
Can't say that after a beer. 

917
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,760
Can you commit to being 
intentional with your citations 

918
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,920
this semester? 
By signing up, you could receive

919
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:53,720
a sticker. 
Wow. 

920
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,320
One person will win a Boston 
University Libraries tote bag, 

921
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,440
mug and T shirt. 
Wow, I'm excited. 

922
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,680
So we go on into a little bit 
more of what this means. 

923
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,680
We need to recognise what 
sources we cite are a reflection

924
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,880
of our own identity and 
positionality and understanding 

925
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,440
our own identity and bias, we 
can seek to integrate other 

926
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,880
perspectives. 
Nick was on and on basically. 

927
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:17,720
So who are you citing? 
So for those of you who don't 

928
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,320
know the story of what happened 
to me, this, this tide, This is 

929
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,720
why I'm so passionate about 
this. 

930
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,880
The first thing that started the
route to my cancellation as a 

931
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,960
librarian and as an academic was
because I spoke out at a panel 

932
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,240
session about whether or not the
act of citing, referencing was 

933
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,360
actually a racist and oppressive
practise. 

934
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,920
And I said no, you just have to 
cite the thing so people can 

935
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,720
find the thing, right? 
No, that was not the case. 

936
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,640
I got a letter saying I violated
the conference code of conduct 

937
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,200
and two years later I'm not 
working full time for UK. 

938
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,920
Call them. 
So it all worked out in the end.

939
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,880
So anyways, Doctor Luke replied 
to the librarian, he said thank 

940
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,600
you for your email and I'm very 
glad to know that we have these 

941
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,720
resources available. 
Thank you because she listed all

942
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,800
these resources to find 
citations that are from these 

943
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,480
different communities, he said. 
I'm writing because of your 

944
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,560
encouragement that we signed a 
pledge for citation justice. 

945
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,400
I know citation is a citation 
justice. 

946
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,320
Sorry, not citations. 
It's a relatively new effort, 

947
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,640
but it's one that many, 
including myself, find 

948
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,480
belittling and discriminatory. 
Further, I don't think asking 

949
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,880
faculty to sign a pledge has any
place in an email introducing 

950
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,520
yourself and your services to 
faculty. 

951
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,320
I'm disappointed that this is 
how the library has decided to 

952
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,480
spend its time and resources. 
I'm happy to discuss more with 

953
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,520
you or any of the faculty on 
this list. 

954
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,160
Now, it's quite possible that he
will be looking for an 

955
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,960
alternative news outlet to work 
for in a couple of years after 

956
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,480
he sent this back to the 
librarian. 

957
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,840
But I just want to show you, 
like how infiltrated 

958
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,520
universities and libraries have 
become, which goes throughout 

959
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,240
all of the different 
institutions that we talked 

960
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,960
about at UK column, of course, 
because here you see the 

961
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,560
replies. 
Anytime you see someone on X who

962
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,000
has a blue sky profile, you 
know, to watch out for that 

963
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,160
person because they're the ones 
that are putting all this into 

964
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,520
place. 
And so she was basically 

965
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,240
questioning him, saying, so are 
you basically all these people 

966
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,360
calling him the discriminatory 
bigot? 

967
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,120
Even though, as I said in the 
beginning, he does his field 

968
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,560
work in Ethiopia and has done so
for years, He's now bigoted. 

969
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,360
Now I'd like to see how these 
people are spending years in 

970
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,360
Ethiopia living in the field 
helping those communities. 

971
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,360
But he's the one who's the 
racist bigot, right? 

972
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,120
So here's what we're supposed to
be doing. 

973
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,520
What is citation justice? 
I didn't know I had to look it 

974
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,320
up. 
Cite black women. 

975
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,760
It is the site of active citing 
authors based on identity, 

976
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,000
although they wrote identify as 
they had a typo to uplift 

977
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,800
marginalised voices with the 
knowledge that citation is used 

978
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,840
as a form of power in a 
patriarchal society based on 

979
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,520
white supremacy. 
Again, this is what I was 

980
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,560
counselled over. 
The University of Birmingham 

981
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,680
says that Citation Justice is 
using the power of citations to 

982
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,520
address the historical and 
persistent under citation of 

983
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,000
certain groups by changing 
citation practises. 

984
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,920
As Preena Vaya Gopal puts it, a 
largely white or largely male 

985
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,160
curriculum is not politically 
incorrect and is often believed,

986
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,280
but intellectually unsound. 
So all of you straight mind 

987
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,360
white men out there, you're 
intellectually unsound, 

988
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,440
including all my colleagues up 
here today, guys. 

989
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,520
Monocultures do not produce good
thinking and are in themselves a

990
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,960
lethal form of unmarked, narrow 
identity politics. 

991
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,440
So this woman, Professor Gopal 
that they cited, that's her 

992
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,080
work. 
She's professor in the Faculty 

993
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,240
of English at the University of 
Cambridge, and she talks a lot 

994
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,360
about all these issues. 
She wrote a very long article in

995
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,240
2021 called on decolonization, 
and the university basically 

996
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,880
saying that everything needed to
be decolonized, which of course 

997
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,360
means destroyed, destroying 
Western culture, destroying 

998
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,880
Western heritage. 
Everything that the University 

999
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,240
of Cambridge has held for 
hundreds of years needs to be 

1000
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,520
put aside for things that are 
not British, essentially, right?

1001
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,800
Or English or Scottish or 
whatever you want to say. 

1002
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,640
So here's some more recent 
articles from other people 

1003
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,800
talking about the issues of 
citation bias and diversity. 

1004
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,040
That we are not being diverse, 
we are not being proper 

1005
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,280
academics if we are not 
including a range of sources and

1006
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,360
that we are being biassed if we 
are using sources that come from

1007
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,800
the own country where we are 
choosing to work and educate 

1008
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,960
people. 
Now we have to have a citation 

1009
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,040
diversity statement as well. 
So we have to put, well I don't 

1010
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,960
have to anymore because I'm free
of the system. 

1011
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,880
Thankfully we are, we are 
supposed to now if we are 

1012
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,440
academics put a statement and do
a search and determine the 

1013
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,720
percentage of women, the 
percentage of non binary, the 

1014
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,520
percentage of etcetera that we 
have cited. 

1015
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,360
And they've got a specific 
statement here in this one paper

1016
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,600
that I chose this from our 
references contain 30% woman 

1017
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,920
first name. 
They're basing on names, which 

1018
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,880
is a lot of assumptions, right? 
Woman last name 11% man stroke 

1019
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,360
woman, 15% woman stroke man and 
40% man stroke man. 

1020
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,440
This method is limited in that 
names, pronouns, and social 

1021
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,160
media profiles used to construct
the database may not in every 

1022
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,360
case be indicative of gender 
identity. 

1023
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,480
And B cannot account for 
intersex done by new or 

1024
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,040
transgender people. 
We look forward to future work 

1025
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,160
that could help us to better 
understand how to support 

1026
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,480
equitable practises in science. 
The diversity conclusion 

1027
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,320
statement. 
So these are just some, this is 

1028
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,160
from the journal. 
You see the rainbow cake. 

1029
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,960
You anybody want a slice of the 
rainbow cake? 

1030
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,920
So this is from one of those 
journals saying this is how we 

1031
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,880
have talked about inclusion and 
diversity from a particular 

1032
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,320
journal. 
That last one was from a certain

1033
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,080
paper. 
So we're seeing this everywhere.

1034
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,560
However, it's not very inclusive
that in order to view that 

1035
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,640
paper, you have to pay £48 just 
to download the PDF. 

1036
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,680
That's not very inclusive and 
diverse to me. 

1037
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,640
Or if you want to purchase the 
entire issue, it's 485 lbs. 

1038
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,240
So Nature have used 
bioengineering, which is that I,

1039
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,520
I did a report on UK column news
on Monday about Nature, Springer

1040
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,640
Nature, which is one of the 
biggest academic publishing 

1041
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,480
areas in the world companies. 
And this is saying we encourage 

1042
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,240
citation diversity statements to
put those into their articles. 

1043
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,920
So again, we're seeing this all 
over and we're here. 

1044
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,320
We're talking about first basing
it on 1st and last names, 

1045
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,840
looking at pronouns, self 
attested race or ethnicity on 

1046
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,320
professional websites. 
So of course if I were to 

1047
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,800
identify as a black man, you 
couldn't tell that without 

1048
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,720
asking me. 
So that may create some 

1049
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,920
inaccuracies and that they have 
these tools that they've that 

1050
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,080
they've started promoting where 
you can actually download 

1051
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,480
people's names of the citations 
that you have created to try to 

1052
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,120
predict whether or not they are 
male or female or, or black or, 

1053
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,920
or British or whatever they are.
So now we're getting really 

1054
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,480
technical about it and nature 
portfolio once again, here's the

1055
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,360
more information about the 
citations. 

1056
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,320
And this is what I'm going to be
talking about at 3:00, if you're

1057
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,160
around, is the Sustainable 
Development Goals, because what 

1058
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,920
they're saying is that citation 
diversity relates to Sustainable

1059
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,280
Development Goal 5, gender 
equality. 

1060
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,520
So if you want to hear more 
about my talk at 3:00, it's 

1061
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,160
called How to How to be a 
Globalist Librarian. 

1062
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,160
Please join me then or otherwise
later if you're at home. 

1063
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:16,760
Thanks very much. 
Thank you, Dan. 

1064
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,400
We'll just mention that Diane 
left home at 3:00 this morning 

1065
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,680
to get here for this. 
So thank you, Dan, very much. 

1066
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,160
And finally, let me welcome Ben.
And, well, we're talking about 

1067
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,200
design councils. 
Good afternoon. 

1068
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,480
I'm going to define some terms. 
Firstly, justice the the 

1069
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:47,560
maintenance or administration of
what is just and morally 

1070
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,880
correct. 
You don't need to play around 

1071
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,040
with that too much. 
And people who are playing 

1072
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,720
around with words like justice 
are not interested in justice, 

1073
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,360
they're interested in the 
opposite. 

1074
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,560
And extracting revenge a lot of 
the time for perceived slights 

1075
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,880
and things that may have or may 
not have happened through 

1076
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,960
history. 
It's a very dangerous game that 

1077
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,960
they're playing, unfortunately. 
And that Lady from Cambridge, I 

1078
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,040
think I heard recently that 
Cambridge University have said 

1079
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,440
that just the very idea that 
there is a distinct Anglo Saxon 

1080
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:21,600
ethnicity is itself racist 
essentially, you know, so 

1081
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,480
they're trying to destroy the 
culture, they're trying to 

1082
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,640
destroy the physical 
infrastructure of the church, 

1083
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:27,880
which has been taken over by the
beast. 

1084
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,240
And actually I'm going to talk a
bit about the beast because 

1085
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,080
whether I realised it or not, 
for most of my adult life, I 

1086
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,640
chose to and was trained to 
serve the beast system, 

1087
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,040
specifically the right wing of 
the beast system, also known as 

1088
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,600
international capital, with the 
left wing being global 

1089
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,080
governance. 
And what I'm going to take you 

1090
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,720
through now in a slightly 
technical and perhaps autistic 

1091
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:57,920
way, is how international 
capital and global governance 

1092
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,640
are harnessing the generative 
power of humanity in order to 

1093
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,160
affect the transformation of the
global system, right. 

1094
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:09,440
And I'm going to explain where 
those tools came from that they 

1095
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,080
that they're using to do that. 
And a really good place to start

1096
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,800
is the Design Council, which is 
a, a British organisation 

1097
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:24,480
started in 1944 by 33rd degree 
Freemason Winston Churchill to 

1098
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,120
look at options for the 
reconstruction of the country 

1099
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,840
economically, politically, 
socially in the wake of the 

1100
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,240
Second World War. 
Right. 

1101
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,600
So this is where that 
organisation came from. 

1102
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,080
And earlier this year they 
issued this framework. 

1103
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:42,200
This is the doubled Blimey, the 
double diamond. 

1104
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,480
It's what they call it. 
And to cut a Long story short, 

1105
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:50,360
this is about setting challenges
in order to deliver outcomes and

1106
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:55,080
getting creative teams to 
redesign the system. 

1107
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,120
So what this is about, it's 
about telling people what we 

1108
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,440
need to happen and then 
unlocking their creative 

1109
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,080
potential to get them to build 
that thing for you, right? 

1110
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,880
That's how global governance 
gets things to happen around the

1111
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,440
system everywhere on Earth, 
right? 

1112
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:16,400
So I've already mentioned that 
I'm going to get quite specific 

1113
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,400
about terms, right? 
So I talked about international 

1114
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,120
capital, but the capital doesn't
just mean money. 

1115
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,560
It's part of the equation. 
The way I think about it is the 

1116
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,120
coordination of knowledge, 
assets and capabilities for the 

1117
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,800
purpose of creating and 
extracting value, right? 

1118
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,920
And we create and create value 
for and extract value from 

1119
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,720
citizens. 
And citizens are people owing 

1120
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,160
loyalty to and entitled by birth
or naturalisation to the 

1121
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,480
protections or privileges of a 
nation or state. 

1122
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,280
As all of us, we're all citizens
of somewhere, OK. 

1123
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:57,560
And capital is coordinated by 
the chief is an individual 

1124
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,040
leading coordination of 
knowledge, effort and ability 

1125
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,120
and assets to deliver value to 
citizens, to deliver value to 

1126
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,080
and extract value from. 
Actually, as I'll get into quite

1127
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,440
importantly. 
And the chief runs an entity, 

1128
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,560
it's a discrete operating unit 
in the system. 

1129
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,200
And our system is divided into 3
parts. 

1130
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,840
We have the public, private in 
the third sector, the charity 

1131
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,760
sector also previously in 
centuries part known as the 

1132
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,880
church, right? 
But that's kind of been done 

1133
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,520
away with. 
We then had charities. 

1134
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,640
We've now got something called 
civil society, right? 

1135
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,160
So there's been a transformation
that's happened over decades 

1136
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,920
there that we can see. 
And the discreet operating unit,

1137
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,319
the entity can be tiny, could be
a little organisation, it could 

1138
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:36,880
be the health hub up there, 
that's a discreet operating unit

1139
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,560
where I had some breakfast 
earlier on. 

1140
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,080
It could be a big international 
corporation like Google. 

1141
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,439
It could be the UN, right, top 
to bottom. 

1142
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:45,600
They all have someone leading 
them. 

1143
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:50,080
That's the chief, importantly. 
And what's the chief doing? 

1144
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,760
He's trying to engage in a 
transaction with the citizen. 

1145
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,680
They're trying to deliver value 
to and extract value from the 

1146
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,760
citizens. 
So to go back to the example of 

1147
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,640
the health hub earlier, I went 
in there and I said, can I have 

1148
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,160
a cup of tea, please? 
And they delivered that value to

1149
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,279
me and they gave me a cup of 
tea. 

1150
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,840
And in exchange for that, I gave
them one of these nice tokens 

1151
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,359
that someone gave me when I got 
here. 

1152
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,200
Yeah. 
So that was the value exchange. 

1153
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,040
They gave me a cup of tea, I 
gave them something back. 

1154
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,640
And that's actually how it's 
supposed to work. 

1155
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,800
Like if you've got a healthy 
system that's working properly, 

1156
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,800
then capital delivers value to 
the citizen, citizen gives some 

1157
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,319
value back, and then there's 
some leftover afterwards and 

1158
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:28,600
capital gets to keep that. 
And then essentially it's how 

1159
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,319
the system operates, Right. 
But they're, they're playing 

1160
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:34,120
around with it and doing all 
sorts of bad things. 

1161
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:35,800
I haven't got time to go into 
now. 

1162
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,040
But I mean, if you watch the UK 
column on a weekly basis, then 

1163
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,160
you'll hear about those things. 
And essentially what what what 

1164
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,880
should be happening is that when
this transaction takes place, 

1165
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,640
capital and citizen, the chief 
and the citizen enter into a 

1166
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,200
state of symbiosis with each 
other. 

1167
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:55,040
You know, so this is mutual 
dependency essentially, because 

1168
01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:00,040
I need as a citizen, the health 
hub as capital to give me a cup 

1169
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,920
of tea and they need me to give 
them something back, right? 

1170
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,280
I mean, it should have a 
symbiotic, mutually beneficial, 

1171
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,440
mutually respectful relationship
with each other. 

1172
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,880
A lot of the problems that we 
got right now are to do with 

1173
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:15,120
this being degraded. 
So capital isn't behaving in a 

1174
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,960
symbiotic fashion with the 
citizen, is behaving in an 

1175
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,760
abusive and an extractive in 
fashion with the citizen. 

1176
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,440
That's a lot of what we're 
experiencing. 

1177
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:27,640
Yeah. 
And, and, and, and a lot of the 

1178
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,560
organisations that I was working
for, as I, as I came to realise,

1179
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,160
are the ones that are the the 
most responsible for that 

1180
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,440
actually now in this framework, 
which is something I've 

1181
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:39,880
developed myself by the way. 
But this just kind of helps me 

1182
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,080
explain a bit about my world 
view and how I look at the look 

1183
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,640
at the world. 
We then have things that are out

1184
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,440
and in so out there visible to 
the citizen. 

1185
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:52,120
So again, to go back to the 
cafe, this is the seating area 

1186
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,040
where we can all go and sit down
and there's something to eat. 

1187
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,400
And that's the kitchen. 
Yeah, out in. 

1188
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,280
And also, these are the things 
that are externally visible to 

1189
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,800
and experienced by the citizen. 
And these are the things that 

1190
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:09,640
are invisible and inside and 
hidden away. 

1191
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:12,840
And this is where things get 
interesting, right? 

1192
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,160
Because the international 
capital and global governance 

1193
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,640
are particularly playing around 
with this bit, the internal. 

1194
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,360
And this also maps quite neatly 
to the kind of left brain, right

1195
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,520
brain idea. 
Because the value that you 

1196
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:30,000
deliver to the citizen is 
expressive and experiential and 

1197
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,520
the way that you do it is linear
and predictable and scientific. 

1198
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,800
And I won't read all of this 
stuff out, but this actually 

1199
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,560
links to the thoughts of Ian 
Gilchrist. 

1200
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,240
So there's probably some people 
here who've been reading in the 

1201
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:44,800
Gilchrist. 
He's become quite prominent 

1202
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,880
recently, right? 
So this idea of left and right 

1203
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,000
brain, analytical and creative, 
it's not strictly art and 

1204
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:52,920
science, right? 
Those two things are linked to 

1205
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:57,200
each other. 
And this bit here, top right, 

1206
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:04,440
the, the expressive, external, 
outward facing, valuable thing 

1207
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:07,040
that can be delivered to the 
citizen is what I call magic. 

1208
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,200
It's about creativity, it's 
about stories, it's about 

1209
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,400
experiences, it's about the 
value that we deliver. 

1210
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,160
And if you look at an 
organisation like Google, so 

1211
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,360
we've talked about the, the, the
health hub, let's put it a kind 

1212
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,680
of big international corporation
level, this is the magic that 

1213
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,600
they deliver. 
And you may or may not like 

1214
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,400
this, right? 
But this is actually, if you 

1215
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:31,240
think about it in a historical 
context, astonishing, Yeah, that

1216
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,880
something like this exists. 
They have these stores, they 

1217
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,480
have this technology that they 
communicate. 

1218
01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:40,800
They're offered to us. 
They can arrest our attention 

1219
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:45,200
through visual creativity. 
They can articulate all of the 

1220
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,760
different complexities of the 
proposition that they can 

1221
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,760
actually do, like what value 
they can actually deliver to us 

1222
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:56,640
these incredible devices, you 
know, which themselves or you 

1223
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,680
show that to someone from 100 
years ago, they wouldn't believe

1224
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,160
that it existed, right? 
You know, it is 

1225
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,120
indistinguishable from magic in 
a sense, right? 

1226
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,840
So this is the the front end 
stuff that we're talking that 

1227
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:09,720
the the corporations think 
about. 

1228
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:15,280
And then the internal stuff is 
what I call money, logic, 

1229
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,480
process, technology, how value 
is delivered, the stuff that 

1230
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:21,120
goes on behind the scenes. 
This is Google's European 

1231
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,680
headquarters in in Kings Cross. 
There's a fascinating stuff 

1232
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:25,920
going on in Kings Cross, by the 
way. 

1233
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,840
They're basically built a 
completely new city around 

1234
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,360
King's Cross in Houston and 
Camden. 

1235
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,160
And it's it's like the old 
city's been pushed to the side 

1236
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,040
and this new global, 
international corporate thing 

1237
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,960
has just been layered in over 
the top of it. 

1238
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,560
We've got a friend who's been 
doing some research on this. 

1239
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,600
It's really interesting to look 
at, probably share more of that 

1240
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,880
over the next couple of months. 
And then this is what happens 

1241
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,520
behind the scenes. 
So it's about people, of course,

1242
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,720
in offices playing computer 
games because like it's a lot of

1243
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,320
what you see in these tech 
companies, right? 

1244
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,920
Like it's work, but it's also 
kind of not work as well. 

1245
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,960
You know, it's, you know, this, 
they're not getting their hands 

1246
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,440
dirty, let's put it like that. 
And then also crucially for 

1247
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:13,640
organisations like this, and 
increasingly so, it's about this

1248
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,960
hardware, physical 
infrastructure, data centres, 

1249
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:23,520
algorithms and the the people 
are becoming less of a component

1250
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:28,440
of the system, right? 
And those two things together 

1251
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,600
are how I and actually, frankly,
how they might use slightly 

1252
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,680
different language. 
But this is how international 

1253
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,880
capital, global governance, 
people at the top level of the 

1254
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,400
system think about things, think
about magic, think about money. 

1255
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,840
You could also call that 
creativity and commerce. 

1256
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,760
This is also in some sense the 
feminine and the masculine. 

1257
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:51,680
Yeah. 
And actually from the Masonic 

1258
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,560
sense, this is the compass and 
the square. 

1259
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,480
Importantly, I mentioned 
Churchill earlier, right? 

1260
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,640
It's very similar stuff. 
And when you get into the top 

1261
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,200
level of those organisations, 
what they do is they bring these

1262
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,520
things together because if you 
understand the way our, our 

1263
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:11,880
education system is, is built, 
people are either creative or 

1264
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,680
they're analytical, right? 
We get sort of hired off in 

1265
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,160
different directions quite early
in our education. 

1266
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,600
That's deliberate because they 
don't want us being able to 

1267
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,960
bring those two things together 
effectively unlocking our 

1268
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,880
generative potential ourselves, 
right? 

1269
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,440
Really importantly. 
And the bit in the middle ties 

1270
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:31,240
it all together to bring it back
to design. 

1271
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,680
Is, is design, right? 
So actually, when you want to 

1272
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:38,760
think about how to take a 
structured approach to complex 

1273
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,800
problem solving and 
organisational transformation, 

1274
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,560
which is what they are 
attempting to affect globally 

1275
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,400
across every single area of the 
system, from the the top biggest

1276
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:51,880
international corporations to 
the smallest companies through 

1277
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,920
things like the B the B Corp 
scheme. 

1278
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:59,400
Then you use design to do that. 
And this framework has been 

1279
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,080
around for quite a while, 
probably 20 years in, in, in, 

1280
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,800
in, in this form. 
So this double diamonds been 

1281
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,080
around for quite a long time. 
But earlier this year they 

1282
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:11,480
introduced an expanded version, 
which crucially includes the 

1283
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:14,440
word stakeholders, which you 
didn't before, right? 

1284
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:16,920
So you can see how they're 
trying to engineer a situation 

1285
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,680
where stakeholders, an 
additional layer of participants

1286
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,240
in this generative process need 
to be involved. 

1287
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,120
And also the idea of 
collaboration, Co creation, 

1288
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:31,280
creating things together, IE 
with them, in order to align to 

1289
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:35,720
the challenges that they're 
setting in order to unlock the 

1290
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,520
outcomes that they're looking 
for. 

1291
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:41,080
And who's behind the design 
council these days? 

1292
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,920
Bunch of people essentially 
representing the combined 

1293
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,480
interests of the United Nations 
and the World Economic Forum in 

1294
01:16:47,480 --> 01:16:49,640
order to bring those two things 
back together. 

1295
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:51,520
Money and power. 
Magic. 

1296
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,840
And what was it? 
Magic and money, creativity and 

1297
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,880
commerce. 
The feminine and the masculine, 

1298
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:02,080
the compass and the square at 
the top level in order to bring 

1299
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,440
forth that change that they're 
trying to unlock across the 

1300
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:06,760
global system. 
Thank you. 

1301
01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:16,320
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1302
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,440
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1303
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:19,960
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1304
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,920
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1305
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,560
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1306
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