None. Dude, I was just telling you now
I have been wanting you back on my show for for quite a while
and I was just explaining to you also that the last few months I
have just been burning out. But you said now you went to
Croatia with no Internet. Yeah, I, you know, I kind of
reached as well, a tipping point, a confluence, you know,
of a few different things. And I thought I hadn't seen my
parents in a few years. And you know, it's expensive to
take the whole family to, to the 4th Reich European Union.
And as well, my parents don't have Internet where they are or
in some cases is extremely slow. And so I thought, you know what,
why don't I just take three months off?
And yeah, we went out over to Dalmatia and the and the
Adriatic and tuned out for three months, paused my Sub Stack
subscriptions never do that because what happened was I
thought I'll be away for three months, I'll pause people's paid
subscriber subscriptions for three months.
And you know what Sub Stack did? It ended up giving all paid
subscribers 6 to 9 month free trial.
So when I came back, I had to spend 2 full working days to go
into Stripe and fix everything. So welcome to the Technocracy.
So yeah. Well, what was it like being so
disconnected? It's, it's wonderful, but I
think for people like yourself, myself, whether we're podcasters
or consumers of this content, I still couldn't get away because
I had the 4G on the phone, you know, so I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm on
the island. We're at the beach every day
where we're roasting lambs and pigs and eating fish and and
hanging seeing cousins I haven't seen in 15 years.
I got to hang out, meet with some prominent Croatian anti
globalist intellectuals and dissidents and interviewed a
couple. But still I'm like, I need to
know what's going on. I'm checking my ex feed or
telegram feed. So it's it's it's difficult.
It's like, but it's also the nature of our, our with the work
that you and I do. It's kind of like I want to, I
want to know where are we at? You know, is it, is it the end
times yet? Is it has World War three
started or the OR have they launched the second the next
lockdown, you know so. You said you recorded while you
were there. What?
How did you have some? Oh, just.
In person, so I recorded I Max Egan so it was funny.
So last year, so last year I was in Acapulco at an Acapulco and
my Airbnb was next to Max's house and across the street from
his bar. So I met him there just, you
know, doing checking out Anarcho Polko did recorded TNT radio
from there. And then the following year,
here I am on the Dalmatian coast.
In May, I went to high school there in the town where my
parents live. And now and Max, it just so
happens Max happened to be there.
There's some Croatians that brought him over.
It was the second time they did that.
They're fans of Max. They brought him over and I met
those folks, went out to their house, one of them, because one
of my listeners, that listeners lives there in town, he's from
Canada and it's just funny, the odds.
And so I hung out two days with Max and recorded a sit down with
Max. And then I met a few other
Croatian intellectuals, Christian me and Mishak.
He's been doing a programme on Croatian television for 20
years. He's interviewed 800 plus some
of the same people we've interviewed, and so I got them.
I did that one in Croatian with him because he didn't want to do
it in English. But anyways, yeah.
What? Why was he protesting the the
language? No, he just wasn't as
comfortable in English and he told, and I wasn't as because
I'd never done it in Croatian. But it was fun.
It was fun. And he's got a big following.
He's been doing this for 20 years in Croatian television.
So, you know, he's interviewed Ike and and a whole bunch of
folks. So.
Yeah. David like you don't interview,
you just say hello and then you sit back.
There's a few guests like that, like my former professor Alfred
Desias. You just go.
I just actually saw him on. It's funny.
Our our, our former employer Mike, he's still doing the World
News today and I saw him interview Alfred and jobs
Landgreb, who I also just interviewed.
And yeah, there's a few guests who just, it's like you're
trying to interject, but. And then you feel like you're
interrupting. And then they kind of get angry.
Look, I was, I was in the flow, you know?
Croatia create me if I'm wrong, isn't that way Game of Thrones
was formed? Yes, Dubrovnik, and I don't know
what other parts. I was in Split as well, which
you've got the occlusion's palace.
I'm sure they've filmed there as well.
Yeah. It looks beautiful, absolutely
stunning. It is.
I hope to return permanently someday, so we'll see.
We'll see how that works out. Yeah, hang on, hang on, hang on.
Return permanently. So you you live in Mexico, don't
you? Yeah.
Why would you want to go back to Croatia?
Why not? It's Croatia.
Oh well, that's good enough I suppose.
But on your way, on your way, you need to stop by and come
stay with me. Or, or yeah, I either way.
Or I can, yeah, I can make it to Croatia, then drop down to South
Africa and come back, come back up.
Yeah, yeah. It's so far when I travelled to
to China recently. You forget sometimes Voya how
massive the world is. You know, like to just to get to
Shanghai, you know, took like 6 hour flight to Ethiopia and then
from Ethiopia to Shanghai which was 11 hours.
So the whole, you know, flight, if you if you had the 2
together, it was 17 hours. It's just a lot of time above
the clouds. It took me about 24 hours.
To get to Croatia. From Mexico to through the USSA,
through the new European Soviet to get to Croatia and, and This
is why I don't like travelling. I was just offered a teaching
job in China at I guess one of the top international schools.
I was offered a job in Baku, Azerbaijan.
I was looking at a teaching gig in Alaska because I like going
to these remote places. But for now, I think I'm just
going to stay home. And I just don't like travelling
anymore. And, and This is why I prefer if
I go somewhere, I prefer to go like 3 months or something like
that, because, but I do have to say, I was expecting so many
contingencies because I, I was reading, I, I passed through my
hometown Chicago. And a few months before that
there was some YouTube who'd been held up for hours by the
authorities in Chicago, you know, thought crime.
And then in the EU, you constantly hear of journalists,
particularly in the UK, but it's also happening in Germany
elsewhere, you know, podcasters, journalists being interrogated
for hours as terrorists. And so I'm thinking like this
might happen to me. And then no, it was this.
It was actually one of the smoothest travels ever when it
came to passport control flying. It was actually comfortable.
And you know, one of the reasons the whole passport control is
getting smoother is the facial recognition.
And as as I like to use one of my get past guests, Edwin
Black's terms that the algorithm ghetto.
So they just snap your make sure they know who you are OK pass on
through so. I, I must say, I, I do
appreciate getting through an airport quicker, but now I'm
going to get shot down for saying that.
I'm, I'm not saying I'm OK with facial recognition, but man,
being in an airport really, really kills you, man.
Yeah, it's it's it's expensive and yeah.
And it's just, it's like they're little prisons.
They're training us for the future purpose.
Well, I mean, I think airports are probably one of the best
examples of a technocratic future.
They use all the latest and. They're they don't many places
they don't take cash. When I was in, I was shocked.
When I was in Texas, I mean Texas of all places, the Lone
Star State, and I was supposed to represent freedom.
Was it 2 years ago? I was in Texas twice and I was
shocked. Like in the airport, I wanted to
buy a burger, lunch, something nowhere, accepted cash and like
what? It's just mind boggling.
Yeah. Well, I mean, you can pretty
much not get anywhere in China without using Alipay or WeChat.
I mean, that's it. There's pretty much no cash and
I didn't see any cash at all when I don't even know what
Chinese currency looks like. Yeah, You know, you're reminding
me. I was in China 21 years ago and
I spent three weeks there. We we went on a historical tour
because I was a history major and our our Jewish really great
guy, Jewish history teacher from Bronx who married a Chinese and
he was fluent in, in, in Mandarin.
And we did a deep tour on in China.
We went to Beijing, Shanghai, Xi'an, I don't even remember
where else. And, you know, we saw the Great
Wall. We saw the Great Wall in the in
the desert part of China, which I didn't even know existed.
And so, yeah, And I still, I think I still have some
physical. Back then, yeah, there was no
digital stuff. It was cash.
But now it's how things change and you.
Were there 21 years ago? So in Chinese time, that's five
centuries. What?
Do you mean? Because they work in like 5 to
10 year blocks, They are so, so advanced and that is impressive,
but it's also scary. I wouldn't want to live there,
that's for sure. Why wouldn't you want to live
there? For a host of reasons, I guess
the most obvious is language and culture.
That is first and foremost. It's not.
It's not home. I can't relate.
I can only relate to my African my my African brethren.
It's what I know and, and I'm a foreigner there.
I'm not a local. But beyond that, Voya, they are
very technocratic. And in many ways, they set the
example for where technology and central governance, you know,
collide. And I'm not a fan of that
intrinsically, inherently, I just it, it doesn't make me
comfortable. It's largely everything I speak
out against. No, I, I think, you know, I've
also had Chinese Co workers here in Mexico where I used to teach.
And what I gather is that they're, as you say, they're
very practical, pragmatic, I don't know if you could even say
opportunist, but in the sense that, and I think part of it is
the spiritual aspect. You've had the atheist communism
for so long, not to say everyone is atheist in China, but again,
it's, it's a bigger trend. And so they value more
materialism, right? As a result, communism was
there's no God material, you know, money and benefit.
And so that's kind of in, in their society, in, in the upper
hierarchy versus the Christianized West.
And so that, that's why. And, and you know, in many
senses, I feel like China has been an experiment.
I've had some guests on, I'm thinking of like Peruvian
research professor Miklos Lucas and others where we've talked
about how, you know, you had China opened up US, you know,
Nixon and all that when they went into China to sort of open
it up and it effectively they brought technocracy to China.
So, you know, a lot of people today say point at China and I
always make the statement, you know, we've interviewed some of
the same people that live in, I've interviewed Nick
Stankovich, Serbian guy in, in, in, in China, Jeff forgetting
his name is Jeff Grey. I think he's an Englishman in,
in China. And you know, I, I've noticed
one thing with them too, you know, bless those guys.
I like them. We agree on some things,
disagree on some things, but you tend some of these people that
support this statism basically that you're referring to of the
Chinese are that they're status, even some of these foreigners.
So they kind of I'm not a status.
And so I I view any state, any virtually all politicians from
Mexico to US to Canada to Europe to Croatia to Russia to China,
any politician as bad. And the state is inherently evil
because I think all, you know, the biblical worldview, man is
all men are sinful and inherently evil.
And so they defend some of the bad aspects of China because
their status. So they say, oh, you know, this
sort of OK, let's say algorithm ghetto or social credit thing in
China. It's good because it keeps us
safe. But then I'm, and I'm thinking,
I interviewed him, I forget his name, Eric Young.
He's a guy in Hong Kong and he admitted to me, he said, he said
he's like, yeah, you're right. Like it's, you're right.
It's, it's, it's what we're we're giving one thing up for
another. And right now it's peaceful and
it maintains. But you're right.
Maybe later it'll be tourniquet tyranny, as Edward Edward
Snowden called it. So, you know, some of them
admitted that they're making a Faustian bargain.
But my point was that I think from the West technocracy that
was brought into China, Microsoft came in the 1990s to
China setting up AI centres and all that.
And it was one of many laboratories like Gaza is today,
like China. And now that stuff that's been
worked, some of that stuff that's been worked out in the
East is coming back to the rest of us.
They call it China Vacation. But at the same time, that stuff
has also, it's been worked on in the West.
That's being implemented here as well.
So yeah. You make a very good point
actually, now that I think about it, because whenever, whenever
we talk, we talk about China, we always talk about how advanced
the country is. And when we talk about advanced,
we're always referring to technology.
It's as it's as though that is the the selling point.
Yeah, you know, as we were discussing earlier, I wouldn't
be opposed to living in in China from the civilization
perspective, like if it was more analogue like back in the day,
I, I put in mind living in a Chinese in a rural area.
But again, I, I've, I've lived in half a dozen countries and
I've, I've just gotten tired of all the the paperwork and the
visas and the this and that. And so I just like to stay at
home. But.
But yeah, but anyways, today technology is, is our God.
You know, I've got a guest I'm interviewing today, Shannon
Rowan, and her book is on technology.
And she begs the question of whether all this stuff that
we're using now is in is inherently evil.
The, the technology like the whole, all the smartphones and
the DARPA Internet and everything.
And I think there's, there might be something to it.
And so I think we, we look at it through the, that lens today,
because this is the transhumanist future that were
sold that, you know, technology is this God we're creating this
God of AI and, and smartphones and everything,
interconnectivity, Internet, Internet of Things, Internet of
bodies. And this, this is the utopian
progressive future. This is the pinnacle, right?
And so This is why I think everyone uses that measurement.
I don't know if this will show up on the screen, but I took
this photograph. I don't know if you can see but
it's it says the automated. People Mover, yeah.
So that was in the airport. That's a train.
Now, somebody pointed out that that kind of makes people out to
be like cattle. That's AI.
Don't know if that's a language thing, I'm not sure.
I've got no idea. But an automated people mover?
For a train, I mean that that's great in one sense because I
think that better captures, but I think it better captures the
essence of what that actually is in versus.
A train, Yeah, well, it's automated in the sense.
I mean, I, I went on it and it has nobody driving it.
It's completely automated and it moves people.
So I guess it's very literal, but it you get that sort of
cattle vibe. That's where I think again,
we're we're, we're we're headed and it removes sort of your or
our sovereignty. You know, I was this week.
Lutz. OK, so here's a point that's
relevant, Lutz is trust. I talk about them a lot.
I was Bailey's Theosophy. So you had Blavatsky in the
1800s who was a Theosophist. I admire, if you ask me, say
Satan is Luciferian. She had a Lucifer magazine and
they tout that Lucifer is, is the Christ.
He's the good guy, right? He's the Prometheus.
And Bailey founded Lucifer Publishing, which later changed
the name to Lucy's Trust. And I was at one of their
meetings in Geneva back in 2009. They have their headquarters in
London, New York and Geneva and their latest newsletter.
They talk about the convergence of East and West and they talk
about how we must and they talk. They were lauding Xi Jinping and
his reforms and his new, you know, his new proposals for
world government. So Xi Jinping, the global
governance initiative. So he's proposing world
government. It's like, wait, guys, this is
not the direction we want to be going in and loses trust.
Was saying I forget what exactly by that we need to get rid of
individuality and bring in collective collectivism
globally. And that is like, no, we we, we
don't want to. You know, Jedward Gryphon for
the longest time has been specifically talking about how
it's a war. The globalists want to bring in
collective collectivism to extinguish individualism.
So yeah. I've got his book here
somewhere. How old is he?
He must be like 90 odd. Probably getting to mid 90s,
yeah. You're still around, you know
that? I've never had him on my show.
I must actually try. If you still I've heard and he's
in this later age, it's it's getting difficult, you can
imagine, but. I mean, have you seen Noam
Chomsky? I mean, he's like 190 and he's
still doing interviews, but he really, but he looks, he looks
like one of those characters from Pirates of the Caribbean is
like, he's like falling over and I don't know, You don't know
what he's saying. Have you, have you had him on?
No, no, no, no. I've tried.
I I know our mutual friend Hugo Kruger has interviewed him, so
yes. He interviewed him a few years
ago. I don't know how he got that
right because I mean, he's, he's, he doesn't answer emails.
It's, I think with folks like that, it gets a bit difficult
when they get to that old age and as you say, sometimes you
can't hear them well and you can't make sense.
So yeah. G Edward Gryphon had one of the
best interviews ever. Remember that one?
And I think it was 1984, Ironically with KGB.
Yes, Bismuth. Last name now, yeah.
Bismuth. Yeah.
What a great interview that was. Yeah, I had, you know, I, I
don't know if I told this on my last podcast with you, but 2011
Ed Gryphon took me to lunch because I've been volunteering
on his in 2000, 2008 9. He had a newsletter, I think
back then it was called Unfiltered News, and he was
supposed to be writing a book that never came to be.
And we had, he looked for volunteers to help manage the
weekly news. And then I was going to
California on 2011. And then I I told his assistant,
hey, let's go meet for coffee. And and she's like, oh, Ed wants
to take you to lunch as a thanks.
And so and then the the I got the copy of G right behind me.
I think it's, it's right there. He sent it to me for one
Christmas sign. So yeah.
Since we're on that, what if? Who?
Sorry, not what. Who have been some of your
favourite guests? I mean, you've also done a huge
amount of interviews. I kind of, I never said, you
know, I don't sit down and think who's my my favourite.
I just in general love like you and I do.
Just being able to turn on the computer and just speak to the,
to people from all around the world from all statuses.
You know, some of our guests are rich and famous and others are
people you've never heard of. And I just think again, it's the
content of their character, the, the, the insights that they
have. But I have to look at my own
website to like answer that. But yeah, you've had some of the
big names. You know, I, I, Francis Boyle
was fun. He just passed on January.
That was weird because he passed on.
That was one of my claims to fame, my the interviews that
went viral, that got me in trouble.
And eventually, probably the platform from Patreon and
PayPal. With Francis Boyle.
Yeah, those 300,000 views on YouTube in January 30th 2020.
What was it about? Taken COVID of course.
No, but why? Why that one in particular?
I don't know because he had come out saying it was, you know,
biological warfare weapon that The Who knew what it was, knew
about all of this corruption. You know, it's covering it up.
It would be used as a pretext to bring in a police, global police
state, which it did. And but he passed on five years
to the day of the release of that podcast on January 30th of
this year, which I thought was weird and I think 74 years.
And we would subsequently talked about, you know, World War Three
and all that because he was an expert in international affairs
as well. And so that was fun with Boyle,
you know, and some of the big name like Robert Epstein, who's
he tacitly admits that the Google Pentagon probably took
out his wife who died in the mysterious car crash.
And I really like my chat with Edwin Black because it's my
favourite topic, the algorithm ghetto.
And CJ Hopkins is always fun. So, you know, those are some of
the is. CJ still doing interviews
though? Or is he still fighting with the
German government? No, he's, I don't haven't paid
attention. So he's doing a a trip around, a
road trip on America right now. And it's funny because he, so
he's going through America and he's everywhere he goes.
He's meeting, hanging out with Americans who follow him, and
he's writing a book in the process.
And he passed through Chicago, 15 minutes from where I used to
live. So it's kind of funny.
But yeah. Yeah.
So he's passing through and he said he hadn't been back to
America in 20 years. So.
Yeah. No, well, I didn't know that.
I I haven't been keeping up. I, I try, I keep trying to keep,
I keep tabs on, on everyone. I keep tabs on, on all of you
just because I like to see what's I like to know what's
going on the, the, the lay of the land, you know, my past and,
and future potential guests. So.
You, well, you said earlier that you know, you know, you don't
like the state anyway. And one of the great things
about living on the African continent is we have exactly
that. That's why in, if you live in
Africa or South Africa more specifically, you by default are
extremely suspicious of the state.
And also generally speaking, the state's pretty inept and
useless. And, and that's a great thing if
you believe in sort of self reliance and independence and
you know, and, and freedom of expression and freedom of other
things. By the way, I want to ask you
about that term freedom in a moment.
I think it's a, it's become a bit of a catch phrase, but
there's a vast polar opposite between China and and any just
pick, pick an African state, you know, in terms of centralization
and governance. I think that's why I think that
if you want to buffer against Agenda 2030, New World Order,
Build Back Better, all those terms that kind of mean the same
thing. I think African countries, Sub
Saharan particularly, generally are a good choice and perhaps
where you are also, I don't know.
Yeah, that's a good point. I'm thinking of an interview I
did with Doctor Parker Roberts during COVID and he was saying
he's like there's nowhere to go. And he was mentioning a friend
of his that went out to live in Africa.
I forget where I think a bit north of you, but that that was
the freest place you can get during COVID And, and Mexico to
an extent can be like that even if you go to rural Croatia as
well, which like I said, I kind of feel my for myself, I, I
don't feel like moving anywhere where I'm not a citizen anymore.
So it's basically I'm relegated to Mexico, Croatia or US.
And here's a case in point. Riley Wagaman, I think you've
interviewed him, no? Riley yes, I think so.
Years ago, actually. Now you you've actually put him
back on my radar. Right.
And so his partner Katarina, I think, was just kicked out of
Russia. And so he, he, he, he too.
So I guess I, I didn't know the full history, but he wrote about
this a few weeks ago that I guess she's, she's from America
like him, but she went when she was young to Russia, fluent in
Russian, a good model, you know, citizen and not a citizen, but
good model. You know, she was getting
offered jobs and, and prominent Russian institutions or
whatever. And the KK, GB, FSB, the FSB
just, she arrived to Russia and they rescinded her visa and
kicked her out of Russia. And then I guess that by default
meant Riley as well. And they're in Egypt now.
And I've been saying for a long time, because of this algorithm
ghetto, the, the biometric exit entry systems that are coming
in, the thought crime that is being installed in every country
that, you know, in Mexico, they're saying if you criticise
the government, they want to be able to revoke your, your visa.
And so this is one reason I don't like to be somewhere where
I'm not a citizen. But to your other point of
places like Africa, that's true here in Mexico, but I just see
them accelerating this digital agenda everywhere and and
they're leapfrogging. You know, people think in the
developed world, oh, it's not as that developed Mexico or or
Africa, but it doesn't need to be because with this new
technology, it's like everyone's got a smartphone, everyone's got
a bank account or bank app is some fintech.
Those are the key nodes. And now digital identity.
I mean, here's a story from last week at my church, like I was, I
almost fell off my chair. So I was talking to a family
from our church and they have a teenage daughter and they live
here where I am on the edge of town and they're on the lower
socioeconomic rung. And the girls telling me that
she was at some mall and they were scanning people's eyes and
I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
What I'm like in the back of my mind, I'm like, is this what I
think it is? It can't be.
It was World, World Coin, Sam Altman's World coin, which has
been rebranded World with the Orb.
And so they were in the mall and she passes by and they have the
biometric scanner and they're like, and they're offering
money. So they said, here's 20, we'll
give you 20 bucks, which is a lot of money in Mexican terms.
And just scan your eyes, we'll take your biometrics and you
create your digital wallet, world wallet.
And I'm like, Oh my goodness. Like it's, it's, it's, it's
happening, you know, and This is why they go to the global S
because and then people are just lining up.
I hear them free money. It's like, give us your eyeballs
for the world. The digital ID.
And I was explaining to them and they were afterwards, the lady,
the girl and her, you know, the girl was like, Oh my goodness,
what did I do? But I definitely think that that
some places are going to buffer, but a bit harder than others.
I mean, I don't know if you've been to Amsterdam, but that's a
15 minute city that kind of just made itself.
Yeah, I mean, I, I live technically with my city.
Guadalajara is a 15 minute city. It's a resilient city.
I discovered this five years ago.
So I live in a resilient city. They've said they want to remake
Mexico City, which is massive, I guess, into Hunger Game
districts because you can't make Mexico City, 25 million people
into a 15 minute city. It's like 3 hours or who knows
how long to cross the city. But they announced in the
mainstream paper last year they want to make it into a 15 city,
15 minute city. So I guess divided into 15
minute city districts. And they announced another
state, Sonora and Mexico, that they're going to make the
capital Hermosillo, a 15 minute city.
They signed a deal with I guess Chinese Foxconn to help them
make it at smart city and then make the rest of the cities in
Sonora 15 minute cities. But I think as you say, they
will advance at different speeds in the implementation of of this
stuff. And I think as a rule in
general, whichever country you're in, the more rural you
are, the more freedom you'll have.
So. Well, you see, this is, this is
the conundrum, Voya. I mean, everybody knows South
Africa is very dangerous, you know, very high crime.
And there's a sense of freedom in the chaos.
And you have to pick your battles.
Yeah. You know, if you're OK with more
chaos which comes as a result of broken infrastructure and but if
you are looking for I guess a sense of freedom, you have more
of that in this mess. Whereas if you're in Canada or
New Zealand or even, you know, China, you have a huge amount of
order safety but with a lot of top down control.
Yeah. And you made me immediately
think of the situation here in Mexico.
So, for example, we've got the cartels, right?
And it's it's not a nice situation you reach.
I mean, people, you can follow the, the blog, the narco on
Telegram and X and you know, everyday, I mean women,
children, teachers, politicians. I mean, they just killed a lime
grower in Michoacan. Like a dude who was just growing
limes. He was the leader and he refused
to pay extortion. They took him out.
Another guy whose video went viral, he a young successful
entrepreneur who spent four years blood, sweat and tears
building a successful restaurant business.
And he did a 10 minute video saying, sorry guys, I have to
shut down my business. They're extorting me.
I'm afraid they're going to send the sicario and assassinate me.
And he's like, the government knows they're complicit.
They don't care. And I know this is happening to
many of you other Mexican businessmen.
And, and he he what he says, like we all, if more people had
the courage to speak out and make noise, if there was
sufficient critical mass, same thing with COVID or whatever,
the government would be forced to react.
They'd be forced to tell the cartels either go after them and
say, guys, come on, you've crossed the line.
Let these people do business. And so, but and so the situation
Mexico is like, you can't go to rural either.
Like I wouldn't feel comfortable.
I've been looking at a Plan B location in Mexico and I, I feel
like, like you say, if you go to rural and Mexico, there's no
authority there. So you can have a gang of men
come to your house and just do whatever they want.
And that's why I'm relegated to like the outskirts of town.
So you can't go. So you can still be on the
outskirts of town, not too far from quote order and still have
like a well with water and your own food and and and animals.
So kind of in between. And so the, yeah, as, as you
say, you, you get, you have to make a deal, you know?
But I mean, you know, home is where the heart is.
And so also, you know, so I mean, my default configuration
is probably fairly anarchist, but that's also as a result of
living on the African continent. Perhaps I would have a different
view if I grew up in Shanghai. You know, I don't know.
But but what I do know is I, I prefer what I what I know, and I
prefer what I am surrounded with.
But it comes at a cost. Yeah.
You were having the chat with Nick Hudson the other day and
I'm a fan of his and I know he follows me on X and I just
haven't gone around to asking him on.
But you guys. Yeah.
And and you but you guys were talking about something related
to forget it, what it was China and why they're.
So I think was suspicious or something like that.
And that made me think of, I think a lot of what what what's
a lot of that stuff comes from the previous regimes that they
lived under. So, you know, I've lived in
Kazakhstan, I've been to Russia. And one thing you notice there's
a commonality to like China, Kazakhstan, Russia in those
regards, and it's the totalitarianism and that they've
lived through Soviet Union, Chinese history.
Kazakhstan was Soviet Union and I'd lived in Mongolia as well,
which was less to that extent. They were satellites of Soviet
Union. But you know, the I stole my
landlord in Kazakhstan. Great guy, but I, when I would
veer too much into politics, he actually told me stop talking
about politics like he was still afraid of, of because, you know,
it's an authoritarian light state.
Kazakhstan again, it's kind of to your point, it's still a nice
place to live. It's from, I find it interesting
and the people are, are, are are nice, but it's authoritarian
light. And the people had this attitude
when COVID came along that they were like, yes, we know it's all
a sham, but shut up, keep your head down and, and just move
forward. So they've been trained through
that previous history of of don't, don't make noise, don't
rebel, conform. Almost like the courage was the
individuality was sucked out of them.
But the COVID era. You know, is is sort of a litmus
test, you know, so if if you lived in a country where you had
to get APCR test like in China, well that's a deal breaker for
me, right? Like done deal.
I mean to to your point so. There is a website that I use to
gauge international teaching appointments is called
International Schools Review I think, and you have to pay 30
bucks to get access. And it's got forums of
international schools around the world and it's people who work
or used to work there that give the real reviews of what it's
like to work. Like do they pay?
What do they pay? Do they really pay it out?
How are the students administration and everything?
And you know, I had gotten offered potential offer to teach
in China and I thought, OK, I'm going to check out some of those
schools. And they were like the top
international schools. Well, I came across one foreign
teachers review of China. So she said pre COVID working
and teaching in China. Great, No problems.
But she then explained, so this is like a real, you know, you
pay access. These are real teachers, not
some, you know, propaganda. And so she said what happened to
her in 2022 during COVID as a teacher, foreign teacher, she
said that she got locked into her apartment.
She couldn't leave. And, you know, and, you know,
you guys, you talked with Nick and others, Yeah, some of those
stories were propaganda that came out, but some of it is not.
So here's a real foreign teacher saying I'm locked into my
apartment. I can't buy food like what,
what, what is this like the starvation and, and, and then so
she said post COVID, I wouldn't go teach in China.
And, and that's kind of like for me where I, I'm, I'm, you know,
whether it's Croatia or the place that I know Mexico, it's
not that bad to that extent. And I'm more familiar with their
surroundings here, which allow me to sort of maybe skirt some
things. But yeah, I mean I didn't get
APCR test at. All.
I didn't. I've never.
I've never got one. Yeah, and I didn't even.
Get a fake vaccine. Passport because I didn't want
to legitimise the system. So but I mean, I was able to to
do that here, you know, in South Africa, I don't think I would
have been able to do that in Shanghai.
Speaking of which, I did ask some people in China about the
lockdowns and they there was a girl who said that she was
locked into apartment block. They couldn't leave.
They had food brought there, but that was only for two weeks.
I think it was, it wasn't like for six months or and you know,
there was no starvation, but it is true and.
But but. This is also part of the
information war or void like how you how you philtre, you know
the the truth that's infused with nonsense.
It's so difficult. So, so, so difficult.
And the segue is I said earlier I was going to ask you about the
word freedom. One of the things that that bugs
me. Are these?
These these sort of self designed movements, quote
unquote, the freedom health movement or the freedom movement
or whatever it might be. OK.
And I don't, I don't attach myself to any of those movements
because I don't really know what they mean.
But when when people talk about freedom, it's like a catch
phrase now, you know, you might as well put a little TM next to
it. Like what does it actually mean?
What do people mean when they talk about freedom?
That's a good question. I don't know, you know, and, and
he's supposed to know. I think I, I, you know.
I think it can also go to an extreme as well.
I mean, look at the West, you know, and, and I, I, I've
vaguely touched on some of these topics when you explore these
ideas of, of, I know the Russians have commented on this,
like this liberalism of the West, which at the start it
seems OK, right? Like the American Revolution and
all that and the, the, the freedom and, and, and, and
liberty, right? But then you know there's a
great. There's a few great folks who
have have have been trying to explore this, but then you come
to realise, you know, a lot of those ideas were started by
these Freemasons, occultists, these ideas of, of liberty, this
God of liberty today. And I think there's something to
this. You know, I was born in America,
I got Thomas Jefferson right behind me, all that jazz.
But then you realise, wait a minute.
I think the underlying philosophy though is anti
Christian and anti human because what it means it's it's it's
Satan. You know, Satan was in in the
King's court, right, God's court.
And he was ultimately he was beautiful musician narcissist.
So he wanted to be God. He wanted to lead the first
colour revolution, the first regime change it first coup
d'etat, coup d'etat in heaven and he was kicked out.
But the liberalism, and I think that that that's why I say these
Freemasons and they're occultists and probably
theosophists when they say that means there's no limit to
freedom. So I think the result of us
having now men who want to be women and trans and this and
that, I think that's actually a natural consequence of this
philosophy of, of freedom where there's no, there's no limit.
So you can be what you want. You can be do what you want.
You know, you Aleister Crowley says, right?
What does he say? I forget the quote now.
The whole of Yeah, I forget it now.
But anyways, yeah, but you're touching on.
What I'm alluding to and and that is this idea of well.
Freedom a being a catch. Phrase, but B nobody really
knowing what they mean when they say it.
Because if you talk about freedom politically, you
probably are. Speaking about.
Anarchism, which means no state at all.
And everything is locally, locally driven.
But most people I've spoken to who would argue for freedom
would not go down that road. You know, they, they talk about
a good government, you know, that that maintains the
country's sovereignty, for example.
But you can't have that if you are living in an anarchy, you
know what I mean? And so that's politically
speaking, culturally speaking, I don't know what it means either
to to have maximum freedom. I don't know what that means.
Well, I mean like some of our. Fellow podcasters are
anarchists, volunteerists, right?
And I don't that can never be applied.
I'm I'm like, look, OK, there's no governor in Mexico.
Yes, there is the cartels, which they're they chop off your
heads. It's like they did dissolve
your, they extort you. So it's kind of like you're not
going to have anarchy. There's always going to be
someone to fill that power vacuum.
So for me, it's like a pipe dream is never going to happen.
And I got and I come from. It never has happened either, by
the way. Yeah.
And then from the. Biblical worldview, it says, you
know, government is not the idea of a government.
A government isn't bad. Obviously I don't like it.
And I think even in the Bible, you can read that early on, God
was like, you know, to the Israelites, just follow us.
You don't need a government. But the people like we want a
government. It's like, OK, and and so.
Yeah, but what about that verse? Sorry, what about?
Sorry, but that verse that says given to Caesar that which is
Caesar's and given to God that which is God's right?
So that's a whole other. Philosophy so like we're living
in this age of governments and and the point of that was Jesus
saying, look, the most important thing is your salvation,
eternity, not not now. And so to espouse this Christian
morale of loving your enemy, preaching the gospel, be the
best citizen that you can be, Yeah.
And be the most innocent, righteous, truthful, honest type
of person. So I think that's what he meant.
So that when you get persecuted by this tyrannical government,
that they have nothing bad to say about you.
Like, oh, look, he's paying his taxes.
He, you know, he doesn't curse. He helps his neighbours.
So you're being like an, an example.
And then the government's like, well, what are, what are we
going to get this guy on? Like, you know, And so I think
that was the point. And so I forget what we're
talking about the freedom and and then social as well.
Like if you go live in those like Kazakhstan and Russia,
socially conservative, they'll never let fly this trans LGBT
plus Q stuff, you know? So, but I mean, I saw.
None of that in northern China. Like absolutely none of it.
No purple hair, no green hair, no low cut tops on on women like
very conservative. And a strong yeah, and.
A strong sense of family and community.
And that's why you, that's why when you go to China, you end up
with multiple philosophical tug of tugs of war, tugs of war, tug
of wars, tugs of war. What's the Bureau?
Tugs of war I guess, but you end up with.
Many of the hosts. You're sitting on that on that
flight home thinking, I don't know which way to go with this.
I mean, there's no perfect. Location, wherever you go in
China, you get a plus, you get a minus you come to Mexico plus A
minus US. So it's really subjective and
you know, people sometimes tell me you should leave Mexico and
come here where I am or this or that.
And I'm just like it's, it's up to the individual.
There's just so many factors. But I mean, you know, again.
You can't see what's. In front of me, but I.
I've got. I've got my windows open and
it's beautiful. I have mountains and vineyards,
you know, and it's all green, you know, And the sky is blue,
no chemtrails, you know, And it feels and smells healthy and and
wholesome. So am I OK then, with the chaos?
I think I am. No, that's a great place to be.
That's an ideal. And I was shocked this summer
and like the chemtrails in Croatia, like I've never it's
been. It was so in your face that's
like you couldn't deny that those were actual chemtrails.
And so I thought a place like the Adriatic where it's it's
it's mostly nature. They're geoengineering us.
So. Yeah.
But you want to go there, Well, you know it's it is.
It's home, you know, It's my homeland.
So you know, what can I, what can I say?
What is somebody from Croatia called A.
A. Croat A Croat Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Croat, yeah. OK, a Croat.
Is Croatia part of the EU? Unfortunately, yes. 2013, I
believe we were assimilated by the Borg and three years ago we
lost our currency. So now, and this was, I saw, I
was there three years ago in 2022 for three months while we
still had the currency. And I came back in September and
then December was the last month before, you know, they, they got
rid of, they introduced the euro and I think January 2023.
And so this was my first trip where I came in where it was all
euro. And honestly, I felt like
almost, I was on another planet and that aliens took over.
I mean, it's, it's really something when you come to your
country and you don't have a currency, it's like you don't
have a country anymore. Well, and it was just to be
fair. Many African countries also
don't have currencies. But for very different reasons.
But that's even better if you don't have a currency.
At all that's fine, but if now we have to use the euro, it's
like that's another, you know, but just quickly.
Going back to the question I was asking about freedom, I mean, I
was reminded of those, those freedom events in Washington or
wherever they were, where they have a lot of bands playing in
people speaking on stage. And and then I think to myself,
what what is it that they're actually wanting?
A lot of them are mega and Trump supporters and they, they see
Trump as fighting for freedom. But dude, he's part of the
system. He's part of the machine.
He, he introduced warp speed and Stargate.
Yeah, I've been. I've become.
Disillusioned with a lot of those events and, and
organisations and I don't like to be part of generally any,
any, any association. But yeah, it's, it's some of
them are well meaning people. No problem with them.
Some are rifters, obviously. And the whole Trump thing.
Trump is, I've been saying this since I guess the beginning.
Trump is new world order. He's he's globalist, he's
bringing in installing the new world order and there's no other
way. I mean, who else?
When you talk about this, I'm not saying he's the Antichrist,
but I when you talk about this idea of the Antichrist and the
installation of the new world order, it's going to come
through somebody who appears to be, you know, it's not going to
come through some left wing radical pink haired nose rings,
you know, awoke person. Everyone's be like, what, what
is this? It's going to be someone who's
who's wearing a suit, who pretends to be, you know,
Christian, and that's the guy who's going to sneak in right
through the front door holding a Bible, as Trump does.
And reminds me of Gary, Gary Oldman in the Book of Eli with
Denzel Washington. He's the guy who wants to get
his. I love it.
He wants to get his hand on the Bible so he can control the
town. So yeah, I mean Trump.
This is the thing that has blown my mind immensely, is that when
he came in for the second term, when he was, shall we say,
selected for the second term, How?
Millions. Of people would just beautifully
and poetically brought back into the system.
But it's it happens everywhere. Like I had the same situation
here in Mexico, where some of my Mexican friends, some of them
who are even Christian, who are not supposed to be left wing,
and I criticised, I criticised, I criticised Morena, the left
wing party, Scheinbaum. I'm low Scheinbaum, who just
proposed one of their politicians proposed a bill to
if you meme a politician, you can get six years in gaol.
And I posted that and I said alert, alert.
You know, they're they're trying to do this.
And for me, it's not about left to right.
Like the right wing government tried to do this ten years ago.
Now the left wing government is doing it.
And my left wing friends got angry because they believe in
their left wing party. They think that's their team.
And I'm telling I'm thinking like Morena that left, They
don't they don't know who you are.
They don't care about you. And it's the same thing with the
Trump stuff. It's just people.
It's part of his cope. They need to believe in
something, some hero. And if they if then if they
don't have it somewhere else, like my minds is Jesus.
And so it's, you know, you've talked.
I've seen you comment on that before, the black pill stuff.
And it's like, I'm black pilled, but I'm not.
Yes, I'm black pilled in the near term, but my white pill is
Jesus. If you don't like that, don't
you know just you've got your? Own white pill so.
Yeah, look, Voya. That that Blackpool comment is
very multi layered. This is one of the things that I
have been trying to. Get across.
In on my show lately is is the complexities that are around us.
I think. I think it's Kid Knightley.
Who who really, really drove this point home when you said
that people, even on our side, get caught up in these fake
binaries, these false dichotomies where it's where
it's one or zero and they completely ignore all of that
grey that's between the black and the white.
We are a very, very big world and there is a lot of complexity
and a lot of nuance. So like a black pool, it's not a
there's not like one sentence definition, but it generally
means when I speak about it is is the dangers of being jaded or
nihilistic. You know if if you wake up in
the morning and you have no desire to get out of bed and
you. And you feel like you have no
purpose. Something is wrong, very, very
wrong. It's a bad place to be.
That leads to taking antidepressants and basically
you become reliant on the system and you might not even, you
know, live, you know, you might decide to try and take your own
life. That is a very dark, dark place
to be. And it's easy to fall into that
trap when you see what's going on around you.
And so it's so, so when I speak about the Blackpool, I speak
about that it's not really going, Oh, well, there's no
point because there's always a point, you know, you've pointed
out that, you know, you, you should always fight the good
fight and, and you can win little battles along the way.
And, and those, and those can, can lead to great things.
And the white pole then, by by extension, is merely taking that
information and waking up with a purpose, you know, getting out
of bed and still being able to smile and, I don't know, bring
coffee to your wife, you know, and, and make bacon and eggs
and, and feel like you can still get through the day.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
And and I'm referring. To black pill as some
commentators on the different platforms who, you know, tell
me, oh, you're always so negative.
You're looking at this bad stuff and and to your like, like you
say, you know, I'm I get up, I'm happy the sun is shining.
I fire up the coffee. I'm like, what's going on in the
world? And I have a balance, you know,
I go out into nature, play with the, with my kids and all that,
all that sort of stuff. And I think it's the, the
problem is some of these people who misdiagnosed it was like,
look, I, I can stare into the bit abyss daily, You know, it,
it doesn't really get to me. And I've been lately saying that
resistance is not futile. I said in a recent interview
that just if, if something is wrong, like the digital ID stuff
or whatever, whatever the outcome, even if we're
surrounded, if it's like the movie 300, you know, if we're
going to die, it's still kind of a white pill to resist.
You resist not because knowing whether you're going to win or
lose, because it's the right thing to do.
You don't comply with evil, you fight it.
And you know, that's another version of the white pill.
I think the great. Thing about the pull and energy
though, is that it simplifies some of these complex or
abstract ideas and I'm very grateful to that wonderful 90s
documentary The Matrix. What a disaster.
Did the Matrix become the the the directors?
Hey I I never even got. Around to watching the third
sequel and it was a waste of time.
And it's just. It's but it just seems across
the board that they've just destroyed all.
It was such a good movie, that first one.
It was it was breakthrough, I thought, but it.
It's across the board, you know? I was a huge fan of Mission
Impossible, even though it was before my time, even as a kid at
the the TV show. I'm talking about the original
Mission Impossible, Mission Impossible.
And then when the first one came out, that was like the only
movie that I went twice to the movie theatre to watch.
I think it was in the early 90's, the original Mission
Impossible with director Brian De Balma, which had this
ambience. You know, they had the ambience.
If you remember the first Mission Impossible of like a
real spy movie. And then the rest were just
garbage, like fast food type, you know, So they do it with
everything they destroy. That's the.
Liberal globalist world.
Order I still do. Enjoy movies and I I don't
subscribe to that idea that I'm just going to throw out the TV
because I think I think they are still good movies that get made
and they are they are good messages that come through some
of them I thought Lord of the Rings was great for example
yeah, I was watching Narnia with my.
Kids, yeah, yeah, to your point, you're you're, you're right.
And I do also watch stuff selectively, but sometimes their
stuff as well. It's entertaining, but it's,
it's they're programming us like, well, like John Cusack,
you know, did you know? There was a movie.
That came out in 20. 12 called Contagion.
Did you know about this movie? I know, I know of it.
I haven't seen it. But you know, I, I went back a
few years ago and and watched Utopia with John Cusack, which
was filmed in 2020, 1819 and released in 2020 during COVID
where they basically said, yeah, we're gonna fake a pandemic just
so people can get injected with a sterilant.
No ways. You know, it's cool.
So. In your.
Utopia You So was first a a British TV show in the 23rd in
2013 and then it was remade is an American version.
And it's literally, I mean, that's literally what they
effectively did. And they said that they created
this image of a pandemic where his company secretly they hired
different vans and they went around the US and they sprayed
some sort of concoction to get people I'll to create the
appearance of a pandemic so that they would demand the vaccine.
And he was saying he had this famous quip in this TV show like
you have to like summoning Bernard Shaw, You must earn your
right to live daily. And so it's it's so, you know,
so in your I, I had never heard of.
Contagion until I think late 2020 and someone on social media
said, hey, check out this movie Contagion.
And then I go and have a look and it's it's a legit movie with
legit actors. And it came out like almost a
decade earlier. And it's about a corona virus
outbreak. And in that movie, they used the
term social distancing, which is a term that I'd never heard
before 2020. And, and everything was the same
as basically as what happened in 2020.
And it's just creepy. It's just creepy.
Which leads me to a quick, a quick question before we come in
for a landing. How much of what's going on do
you think is by design and how much of it is by emergence?
I think. It's most of.
It is by design. We can see, you know, the COVID
stuff that's planned, the wars, the economic aspects, they don't
always go according to plan, but they just come back and retry
and they're relentless. Evil is relentless.
And so I, and then as you mentioned, I mean how is that a
coincidence, contagion and COVID in the 10/20/2010 Rockefeller
report. And so come on, this is all
mostly planned. And then if you take.
The biblical worldview that there's someone driving this,
there's this entity that's lived for millennia, Lucifer, who's
the driving force? He's strategic and he's got a
plan where he wants to take us and it's it's moving along
swimmingly until it isn't because he loses in the end.
So that's AI think that's a good.
Way to end the the conversation, Arvoya.
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I just want to point out that your your work.
Has been some of my favourite in the last five years.
I think I discovered you in 2020 ish.
I think it was then I remember, you know, I did a Yeah, I so I.
Called you to come out my podcast 2021 and I think you
came on. You probably didn't know
anything of my work. And then after I, I'm, I'm
guessing after the fact, you looked at the archive and you're
like, whoa, you know, so I remember, yes, I do remember.
And I. Because I and I remember the
sort of the blue, that sort of blue aesthetic that you have
going and I don't know, I just fell in love with your work.
It was so, so good. And and you've had some.
Incredible guests. And you've had some incredible
insights that that have stuck with me.
So from from from the bottom of my heart, God bless you, my
friend, you've, you have positively impacted my life.
So I thank you for for the great work that you've done.
Well, I've also been. Learning from your work as well.
So yeah, thanks for thanks for anyway, Voya, Thank.
You for joining me in the trenches.