1 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,560 None. Dude, I was just telling you now 2 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,040 I have been wanting you back on my show for for quite a while 3 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,000 and I was just explaining to you also that the last few months I 4 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,440 have just been burning out. But you said now you went to 5 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,880 Croatia with no Internet. Yeah, I, you know, I kind of 6 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,840 reached as well, a tipping point, a confluence, you know, 7 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,200 of a few different things. And I thought I hadn't seen my 8 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,720 parents in a few years. And you know, it's expensive to 9 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,680 take the whole family to, to the 4th Reich European Union. 10 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,640 And as well, my parents don't have Internet where they are or 11 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,920 in some cases is extremely slow. And so I thought, you know what, 12 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,440 why don't I just take three months off? 13 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,120 And yeah, we went out over to Dalmatia and the and the 14 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,520 Adriatic and tuned out for three months, paused my Sub Stack 15 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,920 subscriptions never do that because what happened was I 16 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,440 thought I'll be away for three months, I'll pause people's paid 17 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,640 subscriber subscriptions for three months. 18 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,080 And you know what Sub Stack did? It ended up giving all paid 19 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,160 subscribers 6 to 9 month free trial. 20 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:56,200 So when I came back, I had to spend 2 full working days to go 21 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:02,480 into Stripe and fix everything. So welcome to the Technocracy. 22 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,320 So yeah. Well, what was it like being so 23 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,360 disconnected? It's, it's wonderful, but I 24 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,160 think for people like yourself, myself, whether we're podcasters 25 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,960 or consumers of this content, I still couldn't get away because 26 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,680 I had the 4G on the phone, you know, so I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm on 27 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,120 the island. We're at the beach every day 28 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,520 where we're roasting lambs and pigs and eating fish and and 29 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,520 hanging seeing cousins I haven't seen in 15 years. 30 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,200 I got to hang out, meet with some prominent Croatian anti 31 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,840 globalist intellectuals and dissidents and interviewed a 32 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,040 couple. But still I'm like, I need to 33 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,440 know what's going on. I'm checking my ex feed or 34 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,240 telegram feed. So it's it's it's difficult. 35 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,920 It's like, but it's also the nature of our, our with the work 36 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:56,880 that you and I do. It's kind of like I want to, I 37 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,520 want to know where are we at? You know, is it, is it the end 38 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,120 times yet? Is it has World War three 39 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,200 started or the OR have they launched the second the next 40 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,480 lockdown, you know so. You said you recorded while you 41 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:09,040 were there. What? 42 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,760 How did you have some? Oh, just. 43 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,360 In person, so I recorded I Max Egan so it was funny. 44 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:21,120 So last year, so last year I was in Acapulco at an Acapulco and 45 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,520 my Airbnb was next to Max's house and across the street from 46 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,840 his bar. So I met him there just, you 47 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,480 know, doing checking out Anarcho Polko did recorded TNT radio 48 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,680 from there. And then the following year, 49 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,640 here I am on the Dalmatian coast. 50 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,120 In May, I went to high school there in the town where my 51 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,600 parents live. And now and Max, it just so 52 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,200 happens Max happened to be there. 53 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,560 There's some Croatians that brought him over. 54 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,320 It was the second time they did that. 55 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,320 They're fans of Max. They brought him over and I met 56 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,560 those folks, went out to their house, one of them, because one 57 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,240 of my listeners, that listeners lives there in town, he's from 58 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,920 Canada and it's just funny, the odds. 59 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:06,760 And so I hung out two days with Max and recorded a sit down with 60 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,680 Max. And then I met a few other 61 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,320 Croatian intellectuals, Christian me and Mishak. 62 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,760 He's been doing a programme on Croatian television for 20 63 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,279 years. He's interviewed 800 plus some 64 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,680 of the same people we've interviewed, and so I got them. 65 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,800 I did that one in Croatian with him because he didn't want to do 66 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,760 it in English. But anyways, yeah. 67 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,520 What? Why was he protesting the the 68 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,080 language? No, he just wasn't as 69 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,480 comfortable in English and he told, and I wasn't as because 70 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,160 I'd never done it in Croatian. But it was fun. 71 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,640 It was fun. And he's got a big following. 72 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,880 He's been doing this for 20 years in Croatian television. 73 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,440 So, you know, he's interviewed Ike and and a whole bunch of 74 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:45,800 folks. So. 75 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,800 Yeah. David like you don't interview, 76 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,360 you just say hello and then you sit back. 77 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,920 There's a few guests like that, like my former professor Alfred 78 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,080 Desias. You just go. 79 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,280 I just actually saw him on. It's funny. 80 00:05:00,280 --> 00:05:03,880 Our our, our former employer Mike, he's still doing the World 81 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,680 News today and I saw him interview Alfred and jobs 82 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,880 Landgreb, who I also just interviewed. 83 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:16,720 And yeah, there's a few guests who just, it's like you're 84 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,880 trying to interject, but. And then you feel like you're 85 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,880 interrupting. And then they kind of get angry. 86 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,960 Look, I was, I was in the flow, you know? 87 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,720 Croatia create me if I'm wrong, isn't that way Game of Thrones 88 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,600 was formed? Yes, Dubrovnik, and I don't know 89 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,280 what other parts. I was in Split as well, which 90 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:41,680 you've got the occlusion's palace. 91 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,800 I'm sure they've filmed there as well. 92 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,320 Yeah. It looks beautiful, absolutely 93 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,640 stunning. It is. 94 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,040 I hope to return permanently someday, so we'll see. 95 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,800 We'll see how that works out. Yeah, hang on, hang on, hang on. 96 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:59,680 Return permanently. So you you live in Mexico, don't 97 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,120 you? Yeah. 98 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,640 Why would you want to go back to Croatia? 99 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:05,640 Why not? It's Croatia. 100 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,080 Oh well, that's good enough I suppose. 101 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,000 But on your way, on your way, you need to stop by and come 102 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,040 stay with me. Or, or yeah, I either way. 103 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,640 Or I can, yeah, I can make it to Croatia, then drop down to South 104 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,400 Africa and come back, come back up. 105 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,400 Yeah, yeah. It's so far when I travelled to 106 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,000 to China recently. You forget sometimes Voya how 107 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,880 massive the world is. You know, like to just to get to 108 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,080 Shanghai, you know, took like 6 hour flight to Ethiopia and then 109 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,920 from Ethiopia to Shanghai which was 11 hours. 110 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,880 So the whole, you know, flight, if you if you had the 2 111 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,640 together, it was 17 hours. It's just a lot of time above 112 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,680 the clouds. It took me about 24 hours. 113 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,600 To get to Croatia. From Mexico to through the USSA, 114 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,240 through the new European Soviet to get to Croatia and, and This 115 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,320 is why I don't like travelling. I was just offered a teaching 116 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,280 job in China at I guess one of the top international schools. 117 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:11,040 I was offered a job in Baku, Azerbaijan. 118 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,120 I was looking at a teaching gig in Alaska because I like going 119 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,040 to these remote places. But for now, I think I'm just 120 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,960 going to stay home. And I just don't like travelling 121 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,080 anymore. And, and This is why I prefer if 122 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,760 I go somewhere, I prefer to go like 3 months or something like 123 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,480 that, because, but I do have to say, I was expecting so many 124 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,240 contingencies because I, I was reading, I, I passed through my 125 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,960 hometown Chicago. And a few months before that 126 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,840 there was some YouTube who'd been held up for hours by the 127 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,200 authorities in Chicago, you know, thought crime. 128 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,520 And then in the EU, you constantly hear of journalists, 129 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,320 particularly in the UK, but it's also happening in Germany 130 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,600 elsewhere, you know, podcasters, journalists being interrogated 131 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,960 for hours as terrorists. And so I'm thinking like this 132 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,600 might happen to me. And then no, it was this. 133 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,400 It was actually one of the smoothest travels ever when it 134 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,040 came to passport control flying. It was actually comfortable. 135 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,520 And you know, one of the reasons the whole passport control is 136 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,960 getting smoother is the facial recognition. 137 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,920 And as as I like to use one of my get past guests, Edwin 138 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,680 Black's terms that the algorithm ghetto. 139 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,200 So they just snap your make sure they know who you are OK pass on 140 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:29,320 through so. I, I must say, I, I do 141 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:35,159 appreciate getting through an airport quicker, but now I'm 142 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:36,600 going to get shot down for saying that. 143 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,760 I'm, I'm not saying I'm OK with facial recognition, but man, 144 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,680 being in an airport really, really kills you, man. 145 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,320 Yeah, it's it's it's expensive and yeah. 146 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,400 And it's just, it's like they're little prisons. 147 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,400 They're training us for the future purpose. 148 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,320 Well, I mean, I think airports are probably one of the best 149 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,440 examples of a technocratic future. 150 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,240 They use all the latest and. They're they don't many places 151 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,000 they don't take cash. When I was in, I was shocked. 152 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,920 When I was in Texas, I mean Texas of all places, the Lone 153 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,720 Star State, and I was supposed to represent freedom. 154 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,680 Was it 2 years ago? I was in Texas twice and I was 155 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:22,880 shocked. Like in the airport, I wanted to 156 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,640 buy a burger, lunch, something nowhere, accepted cash and like 157 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,640 what? It's just mind boggling. 158 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,280 Yeah. Well, I mean, you can pretty 159 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,760 much not get anywhere in China without using Alipay or WeChat. 160 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,280 I mean, that's it. There's pretty much no cash and 161 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,880 I didn't see any cash at all when I don't even know what 162 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Chinese currency looks like. Yeah, You know, you're reminding 163 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,800 me. I was in China 21 years ago and 164 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,040 I spent three weeks there. We we went on a historical tour 165 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,680 because I was a history major and our our Jewish really great 166 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:05,320 guy, Jewish history teacher from Bronx who married a Chinese and 167 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,520 he was fluent in, in, in Mandarin. 168 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,600 And we did a deep tour on in China. 169 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,120 We went to Beijing, Shanghai, Xi'an, I don't even remember 170 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,760 where else. And, you know, we saw the Great 171 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,400 Wall. We saw the Great Wall in the in 172 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,200 the desert part of China, which I didn't even know existed. 173 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,600 And so, yeah, And I still, I think I still have some 174 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,280 physical. Back then, yeah, there was no 175 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,120 digital stuff. It was cash. 176 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,840 But now it's how things change and you. 177 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,440 Were there 21 years ago? So in Chinese time, that's five 178 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,040 centuries. What? 179 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,480 Do you mean? Because they work in like 5 to 180 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:45,120 10 year blocks, They are so, so advanced and that is impressive, 181 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,720 but it's also scary. I wouldn't want to live there, 182 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,920 that's for sure. Why wouldn't you want to live 183 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,560 there? For a host of reasons, I guess 184 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:56,440 the most obvious is language and culture. 185 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,760 That is first and foremost. It's not. 186 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:02,360 It's not home. I can't relate. 187 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,120 I can only relate to my African my my African brethren. 188 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,720 It's what I know and, and I'm a foreigner there. 189 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:19,320 I'm not a local. But beyond that, Voya, they are 190 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:26,480 very technocratic. And in many ways, they set the 191 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:34,400 example for where technology and central governance, you know, 192 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,480 collide. And I'm not a fan of that 193 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,840 intrinsically, inherently, I just it, it doesn't make me 194 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,680 comfortable. It's largely everything I speak 195 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:50,560 out against. No, I, I think, you know, I've 196 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:54,840 also had Chinese Co workers here in Mexico where I used to teach. 197 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,560 And what I gather is that they're, as you say, they're 198 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:02,440 very practical, pragmatic, I don't know if you could even say 199 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,440 opportunist, but in the sense that, and I think part of it is 200 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,880 the spiritual aspect. You've had the atheist communism 201 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,400 for so long, not to say everyone is atheist in China, but again, 202 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,800 it's, it's a bigger trend. And so they value more 203 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,640 materialism, right? As a result, communism was 204 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,120 there's no God material, you know, money and benefit. 205 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:27,000 And so that's kind of in, in their society, in, in the upper 206 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,160 hierarchy versus the Christianized West. 207 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,760 And so that, that's why. And, and you know, in many 208 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,040 senses, I feel like China has been an experiment. 209 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,280 I've had some guests on, I'm thinking of like Peruvian 210 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,120 research professor Miklos Lucas and others where we've talked 211 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:47,680 about how, you know, you had China opened up US, you know, 212 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,040 Nixon and all that when they went into China to sort of open 213 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:56,440 it up and it effectively they brought technocracy to China. 214 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,080 So, you know, a lot of people today say point at China and I 215 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,600 always make the statement, you know, we've interviewed some of 216 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,480 the same people that live in, I've interviewed Nick 217 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,560 Stankovich, Serbian guy in, in, in, in China, Jeff forgetting 218 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:11,920 his name is Jeff Grey. I think he's an Englishman in, 219 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,200 in China. And you know, I, I've noticed 220 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,800 one thing with them too, you know, bless those guys. 221 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,440 I like them. We agree on some things, 222 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,640 disagree on some things, but you tend some of these people that 223 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,680 support this statism basically that you're referring to of the 224 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:28,640 Chinese are that they're status, even some of these foreigners. 225 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,760 So they kind of I'm not a status. 226 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:35,480 And so I I view any state, any virtually all politicians from 227 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,360 Mexico to US to Canada to Europe to Croatia to Russia to China, 228 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,440 any politician as bad. And the state is inherently evil 229 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,440 because I think all, you know, the biblical worldview, man is 230 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,320 all men are sinful and inherently evil. 231 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:54,880 And so they defend some of the bad aspects of China because 232 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,240 their status. So they say, oh, you know, this 233 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,080 sort of OK, let's say algorithm ghetto or social credit thing in 234 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,440 China. It's good because it keeps us 235 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,400 safe. But then I'm, and I'm thinking, 236 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,520 I interviewed him, I forget his name, Eric Young. 237 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,360 He's a guy in Hong Kong and he admitted to me, he said, he said 238 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,280 he's like, yeah, you're right. Like it's, you're right. 239 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,680 It's, it's, it's what we're we're giving one thing up for 240 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,680 another. And right now it's peaceful and 241 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,600 it maintains. But you're right. 242 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,280 Maybe later it'll be tourniquet tyranny, as Edward Edward 243 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,080 Snowden called it. So, you know, some of them 244 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,680 admitted that they're making a Faustian bargain. 245 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,320 But my point was that I think from the West technocracy that 246 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,760 was brought into China, Microsoft came in the 1990s to 247 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,040 China setting up AI centres and all that. 248 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,760 And it was one of many laboratories like Gaza is today, 249 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,640 like China. And now that stuff that's been 250 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,440 worked, some of that stuff that's been worked out in the 251 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,080 East is coming back to the rest of us. 252 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,600 They call it China Vacation. But at the same time, that stuff 253 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,360 has also, it's been worked on in the West. 254 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,240 That's being implemented here as well. 255 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,720 So yeah. You make a very good point 256 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:10,440 actually, now that I think about it, because whenever, whenever 257 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,840 we talk, we talk about China, we always talk about how advanced 258 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,120 the country is. And when we talk about advanced, 259 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,480 we're always referring to technology. 260 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:25,640 It's as it's as though that is the the selling point. 261 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,840 Yeah, you know, as we were discussing earlier, I wouldn't 262 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,640 be opposed to living in in China from the civilization 263 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,240 perspective, like if it was more analogue like back in the day, 264 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,840 I, I put in mind living in a Chinese in a rural area. 265 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,560 But again, I, I've, I've lived in half a dozen countries and 266 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,520 I've, I've just gotten tired of all the the paperwork and the 267 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,080 visas and the this and that. And so I just like to stay at 268 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:50,920 home. But. 269 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,920 But yeah, but anyways, today technology is, is our God. 270 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,680 You know, I've got a guest I'm interviewing today, Shannon 271 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,280 Rowan, and her book is on technology. 272 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,960 And she begs the question of whether all this stuff that 273 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,960 we're using now is in is inherently evil. 274 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,280 The, the technology like the whole, all the smartphones and 275 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,880 the DARPA Internet and everything. 276 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,560 And I think there's, there might be something to it. 277 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,200 And so I think we, we look at it through the, that lens today, 278 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,400 because this is the transhumanist future that were 279 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,040 sold that, you know, technology is this God we're creating this 280 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,680 God of AI and, and smartphones and everything, 281 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,760 interconnectivity, Internet, Internet of Things, Internet of 282 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,160 bodies. And this, this is the utopian 283 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,760 progressive future. This is the pinnacle, right? 284 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,240 And so This is why I think everyone uses that measurement. 285 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,200 I don't know if this will show up on the screen, but I took 286 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,640 this photograph. I don't know if you can see but 287 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,920 it's it says the automated. People Mover, yeah. 288 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,480 So that was in the airport. That's a train. 289 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,240 Now, somebody pointed out that that kind of makes people out to 290 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,680 be like cattle. That's AI. 291 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,480 Don't know if that's a language thing, I'm not sure. 292 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,280 I've got no idea. But an automated people mover? 293 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,640 For a train, I mean that that's great in one sense because I 294 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,960 think that better captures, but I think it better captures the 295 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,319 essence of what that actually is in versus. 296 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,200 A train, Yeah, well, it's automated in the sense. 297 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,600 I mean, I, I went on it and it has nobody driving it. 298 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,640 It's completely automated and it moves people. 299 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:39,080 So I guess it's very literal, but it you get that sort of 300 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,240 cattle vibe. That's where I think again, 301 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,200 we're we're, we're we're headed and it removes sort of your or 302 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,120 our sovereignty. You know, I was this week. 303 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,120 Lutz. OK, so here's a point that's 304 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:56,920 relevant, Lutz is trust. I talk about them a lot. 305 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,280 I was Bailey's Theosophy. So you had Blavatsky in the 306 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,520 1800s who was a Theosophist. I admire, if you ask me, say 307 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,280 Satan is Luciferian. She had a Lucifer magazine and 308 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,560 they tout that Lucifer is, is the Christ. 309 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,080 He's the good guy, right? He's the Prometheus. 310 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,040 And Bailey founded Lucifer Publishing, which later changed 311 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,920 the name to Lucy's Trust. And I was at one of their 312 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,080 meetings in Geneva back in 2009. They have their headquarters in 313 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,320 London, New York and Geneva and their latest newsletter. 314 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:34,680 They talk about the convergence of East and West and they talk 315 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:40,320 about how we must and they talk. They were lauding Xi Jinping and 316 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,680 his reforms and his new, you know, his new proposals for 317 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,840 world government. So Xi Jinping, the global 318 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,440 governance initiative. So he's proposing world 319 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,400 government. It's like, wait, guys, this is 320 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,920 not the direction we want to be going in and loses trust. 321 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,760 Was saying I forget what exactly by that we need to get rid of 322 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:04,440 individuality and bring in collective collectivism 323 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,840 globally. And that is like, no, we we, we 324 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,840 don't want to. You know, Jedward Gryphon for 325 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,840 the longest time has been specifically talking about how 326 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,760 it's a war. The globalists want to bring in 327 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,000 collective collectivism to extinguish individualism. 328 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,400 So yeah. I've got his book here 329 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,240 somewhere. How old is he? 330 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,760 He must be like 90 odd. Probably getting to mid 90s, 331 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,640 yeah. You're still around, you know 332 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:29,960 that? I've never had him on my show. 333 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,760 I must actually try. If you still I've heard and he's 334 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,720 in this later age, it's it's getting difficult, you can 335 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,920 imagine, but. I mean, have you seen Noam 336 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,720 Chomsky? I mean, he's like 190 and he's 337 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,640 still doing interviews, but he really, but he looks, he looks 338 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,640 like one of those characters from Pirates of the Caribbean is 339 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,400 like, he's like falling over and I don't know, You don't know 340 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,960 what he's saying. Have you, have you had him on? 341 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:57,720 No, no, no, no. I've tried. 342 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,800 I I know our mutual friend Hugo Kruger has interviewed him, so 343 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,000 yes. He interviewed him a few years 344 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:03,880 ago. I don't know how he got that 345 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,240 right because I mean, he's, he's, he doesn't answer emails. 346 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,120 It's, I think with folks like that, it gets a bit difficult 347 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:15,800 when they get to that old age and as you say, sometimes you 348 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,520 can't hear them well and you can't make sense. 349 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,120 So yeah. G Edward Gryphon had one of the 350 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,920 best interviews ever. Remember that one? 351 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,400 And I think it was 1984, Ironically with KGB. 352 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,280 Yes, Bismuth. Last name now, yeah. 353 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:32,880 Bismuth. Yeah. 354 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:37,760 What a great interview that was. Yeah, I had, you know, I, I 355 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:43,200 don't know if I told this on my last podcast with you, but 2011 356 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,560 Ed Gryphon took me to lunch because I've been volunteering 357 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:52,880 on his in 2000, 2008 9. He had a newsletter, I think 358 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,960 back then it was called Unfiltered News, and he was 359 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,120 supposed to be writing a book that never came to be. 360 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:03,160 And we had, he looked for volunteers to help manage the 361 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,720 weekly news. And then I was going to 362 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,920 California on 2011. And then I I told his assistant, 363 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,080 hey, let's go meet for coffee. And and she's like, oh, Ed wants 364 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,840 to take you to lunch as a thanks. 365 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,000 And so and then the the I got the copy of G right behind me. 366 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,600 I think it's, it's right there. He sent it to me for one 367 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,640 Christmas sign. So yeah. 368 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,800 Since we're on that, what if? Who? 369 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,640 Sorry, not what. Who have been some of your 370 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,440 favourite guests? I mean, you've also done a huge 371 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,400 amount of interviews. I kind of, I never said, you 372 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,240 know, I don't sit down and think who's my my favourite. 373 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,720 I just in general love like you and I do. 374 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,120 Just being able to turn on the computer and just speak to the, 375 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:54,800 to people from all around the world from all statuses. 376 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,840 You know, some of our guests are rich and famous and others are 377 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,520 people you've never heard of. And I just think again, it's the 378 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,440 content of their character, the, the, the insights that they 379 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,960 have. But I have to look at my own 380 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,440 website to like answer that. But yeah, you've had some of the 381 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,040 big names. You know, I, I, Francis Boyle 382 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,880 was fun. He just passed on January. 383 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,280 That was weird because he passed on. 384 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,520 That was one of my claims to fame, my the interviews that 385 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,040 went viral, that got me in trouble. 386 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,200 And eventually, probably the platform from Patreon and 387 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,680 PayPal. With Francis Boyle. 388 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:38,280 Yeah, those 300,000 views on YouTube in January 30th 2020. 389 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,640 What was it about? Taken COVID of course. 390 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,960 No, but why? Why that one in particular? 391 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,200 I don't know because he had come out saying it was, you know, 392 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,680 biological warfare weapon that The Who knew what it was, knew 393 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,760 about all of this corruption. You know, it's covering it up. 394 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,920 It would be used as a pretext to bring in a police, global police 395 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:05,520 state, which it did. And but he passed on five years 396 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:10,240 to the day of the release of that podcast on January 30th of 397 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:15,920 this year, which I thought was weird and I think 74 years. 398 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,240 And we would subsequently talked about, you know, World War Three 399 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,440 and all that because he was an expert in international affairs 400 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,000 as well. And so that was fun with Boyle, 401 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,440 you know, and some of the big name like Robert Epstein, who's 402 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,720 he tacitly admits that the Google Pentagon probably took 403 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,840 out his wife who died in the mysterious car crash. 404 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,800 And I really like my chat with Edwin Black because it's my 405 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,600 favourite topic, the algorithm ghetto. 406 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,320 And CJ Hopkins is always fun. So, you know, those are some of 407 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,480 the is. CJ still doing interviews 408 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,840 though? Or is he still fighting with the 409 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,640 German government? No, he's, I don't haven't paid 410 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,760 attention. So he's doing a a trip around, a 411 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,240 road trip on America right now. And it's funny because he, so 412 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,520 he's going through America and he's everywhere he goes. 413 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,800 He's meeting, hanging out with Americans who follow him, and 414 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,400 he's writing a book in the process. 415 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,840 And he passed through Chicago, 15 minutes from where I used to 416 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:12,120 live. So it's kind of funny. 417 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:12,840 But yeah. Yeah. 418 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,760 So he's passing through and he said he hadn't been back to 419 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,400 America in 20 years. So. 420 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,240 Yeah. No, well, I didn't know that. 421 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:24,400 I I haven't been keeping up. I, I try, I keep trying to keep, 422 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,960 I keep tabs on, on everyone. I keep tabs on, on all of you 423 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,480 just because I like to see what's I like to know what's 424 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,400 going on the, the, the lay of the land, you know, my past and, 425 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,440 and future potential guests. So. 426 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,280 You, well, you said earlier that you know, you know, you don't 427 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,880 like the state anyway. And one of the great things 428 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,880 about living on the African continent is we have exactly 429 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,240 that. That's why in, if you live in 430 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,160 Africa or South Africa more specifically, you by default are 431 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,000 extremely suspicious of the state. 432 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:03,800 And also generally speaking, the state's pretty inept and 433 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,960 useless. And, and that's a great thing if 434 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,720 you believe in sort of self reliance and independence and 435 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,880 you know, and, and freedom of expression and freedom of other 436 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,160 things. By the way, I want to ask you 437 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,320 about that term freedom in a moment. 438 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,320 I think it's a, it's become a bit of a catch phrase, but 439 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:31,240 there's a vast polar opposite between China and and any just 440 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,000 pick, pick an African state, you know, in terms of centralization 441 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,560 and governance. I think that's why I think that 442 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,600 if you want to buffer against Agenda 2030, New World Order, 443 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,800 Build Back Better, all those terms that kind of mean the same 444 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,880 thing. I think African countries, Sub 445 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,040 Saharan particularly, generally are a good choice and perhaps 446 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,080 where you are also, I don't know. 447 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,080 Yeah, that's a good point. I'm thinking of an interview I 448 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,280 did with Doctor Parker Roberts during COVID and he was saying 449 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,600 he's like there's nowhere to go. And he was mentioning a friend 450 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,080 of his that went out to live in Africa. 451 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:09,920 I forget where I think a bit north of you, but that that was 452 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,560 the freest place you can get during COVID And, and Mexico to 453 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:21,720 an extent can be like that even if you go to rural Croatia as 454 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,640 well, which like I said, I kind of feel my for myself, I, I 455 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,200 don't feel like moving anywhere where I'm not a citizen anymore. 456 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:35,440 So it's basically I'm relegated to Mexico, Croatia or US. 457 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,400 And here's a case in point. Riley Wagaman, I think you've 458 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,360 interviewed him, no? Riley yes, I think so. 459 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,360 Years ago, actually. Now you you've actually put him 460 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:45,360 back on my radar. Right. 461 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:51,560 And so his partner Katarina, I think, was just kicked out of 462 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,800 Russia. And so he, he, he, he too. 463 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,280 So I guess I, I didn't know the full history, but he wrote about 464 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,840 this a few weeks ago that I guess she's, she's from America 465 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,000 like him, but she went when she was young to Russia, fluent in 466 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,400 Russian, a good model, you know, citizen and not a citizen, but 467 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,640 good model. You know, she was getting 468 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,960 offered jobs and, and prominent Russian institutions or 469 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:21,000 whatever. And the KK, GB, FSB, the FSB 470 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,360 just, she arrived to Russia and they rescinded her visa and 471 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:29,480 kicked her out of Russia. And then I guess that by default 472 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,160 meant Riley as well. And they're in Egypt now. 473 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,240 And I've been saying for a long time, because of this algorithm 474 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,760 ghetto, the, the biometric exit entry systems that are coming 475 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,200 in, the thought crime that is being installed in every country 476 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,800 that, you know, in Mexico, they're saying if you criticise 477 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:52,160 the government, they want to be able to revoke your, your visa. 478 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,400 And so this is one reason I don't like to be somewhere where 479 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,800 I'm not a citizen. But to your other point of 480 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:05,640 places like Africa, that's true here in Mexico, but I just see 481 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,400 them accelerating this digital agenda everywhere and and 482 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,320 they're leapfrogging. You know, people think in the 483 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,040 developed world, oh, it's not as that developed Mexico or or 484 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,200 Africa, but it doesn't need to be because with this new 485 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,080 technology, it's like everyone's got a smartphone, everyone's got 486 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,120 a bank account or bank app is some fintech. 487 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,200 Those are the key nodes. And now digital identity. 488 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,800 I mean, here's a story from last week at my church, like I was, I 489 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,480 almost fell off my chair. So I was talking to a family 490 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,680 from our church and they have a teenage daughter and they live 491 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,520 here where I am on the edge of town and they're on the lower 492 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,280 socioeconomic rung. And the girls telling me that 493 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,040 she was at some mall and they were scanning people's eyes and 494 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,200 I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait. 495 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,520 What I'm like in the back of my mind, I'm like, is this what I 496 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,000 think it is? It can't be. 497 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:03,080 It was World, World Coin, Sam Altman's World coin, which has 498 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,240 been rebranded World with the Orb. 499 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,960 And so they were in the mall and she passes by and they have the 500 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,120 biometric scanner and they're like, and they're offering 501 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,760 money. So they said, here's 20, we'll 502 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,320 give you 20 bucks, which is a lot of money in Mexican terms. 503 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,520 And just scan your eyes, we'll take your biometrics and you 504 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,760 create your digital wallet, world wallet. 505 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,440 And I'm like, Oh my goodness. Like it's, it's, it's, it's 506 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,600 happening, you know, and This is why they go to the global S 507 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,520 because and then people are just lining up. 508 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,840 I hear them free money. It's like, give us your eyeballs 509 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,920 for the world. The digital ID. 510 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,560 And I was explaining to them and they were afterwards, the lady, 511 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,000 the girl and her, you know, the girl was like, Oh my goodness, 512 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,600 what did I do? But I definitely think that that 513 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,360 some places are going to buffer, but a bit harder than others. 514 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,280 I mean, I don't know if you've been to Amsterdam, but that's a 515 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,320 15 minute city that kind of just made itself. 516 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,960 Yeah, I mean, I, I live technically with my city. 517 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,520 Guadalajara is a 15 minute city. It's a resilient city. 518 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,120 I discovered this five years ago. 519 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,520 So I live in a resilient city. They've said they want to remake 520 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,440 Mexico City, which is massive, I guess, into Hunger Game 521 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,920 districts because you can't make Mexico City, 25 million people 522 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,600 into a 15 minute city. It's like 3 hours or who knows 523 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,560 how long to cross the city. But they announced in the 524 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,720 mainstream paper last year they want to make it into a 15 city, 525 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,800 15 minute city. So I guess divided into 15 526 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,560 minute city districts. And they announced another 527 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,240 state, Sonora and Mexico, that they're going to make the 528 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,840 capital Hermosillo, a 15 minute city. 529 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,000 They signed a deal with I guess Chinese Foxconn to help them 530 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,680 make it at smart city and then make the rest of the cities in 531 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,680 Sonora 15 minute cities. But I think as you say, they 532 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,080 will advance at different speeds in the implementation of of this 533 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,160 stuff. And I think as a rule in 534 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,280 general, whichever country you're in, the more rural you 535 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,040 are, the more freedom you'll have. 536 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,920 So. Well, you see, this is, this is 537 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,920 the conundrum, Voya. I mean, everybody knows South 538 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,880 Africa is very dangerous, you know, very high crime. 539 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:24,840 And there's a sense of freedom in the chaos. 540 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,600 And you have to pick your battles. 541 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,160 Yeah. You know, if you're OK with more 542 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,120 chaos which comes as a result of broken infrastructure and but if 543 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,960 you are looking for I guess a sense of freedom, you have more 544 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,360 of that in this mess. Whereas if you're in Canada or 545 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,400 New Zealand or even, you know, China, you have a huge amount of 546 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,160 order safety but with a lot of top down control. 547 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,400 Yeah. And you made me immediately 548 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,840 think of the situation here in Mexico. 549 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,400 So, for example, we've got the cartels, right? 550 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,440 And it's it's not a nice situation you reach. 551 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,120 I mean, people, you can follow the, the blog, the narco on 552 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:11,280 Telegram and X and you know, everyday, I mean women, 553 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,720 children, teachers, politicians. I mean, they just killed a lime 554 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,400 grower in Michoacan. Like a dude who was just growing 555 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,120 limes. He was the leader and he refused 556 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,800 to pay extortion. They took him out. 557 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,760 Another guy whose video went viral, he a young successful 558 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,840 entrepreneur who spent four years blood, sweat and tears 559 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,000 building a successful restaurant business. 560 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,840 And he did a 10 minute video saying, sorry guys, I have to 561 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,520 shut down my business. They're extorting me. 562 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,360 I'm afraid they're going to send the sicario and assassinate me. 563 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,720 And he's like, the government knows they're complicit. 564 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,080 They don't care. And I know this is happening to 565 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,360 many of you other Mexican businessmen. 566 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,760 And, and he he what he says, like we all, if more people had 567 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,720 the courage to speak out and make noise, if there was 568 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,160 sufficient critical mass, same thing with COVID or whatever, 569 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,800 the government would be forced to react. 570 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,560 They'd be forced to tell the cartels either go after them and 571 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,960 say, guys, come on, you've crossed the line. 572 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,480 Let these people do business. And so, but and so the situation 573 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,960 Mexico is like, you can't go to rural either. 574 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,320 Like I wouldn't feel comfortable. 575 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,880 I've been looking at a Plan B location in Mexico and I, I feel 576 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,600 like, like you say, if you go to rural and Mexico, there's no 577 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,000 authority there. So you can have a gang of men 578 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,240 come to your house and just do whatever they want. 579 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,000 And that's why I'm relegated to like the outskirts of town. 580 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,520 So you can't go. So you can still be on the 581 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:40,040 outskirts of town, not too far from quote order and still have 582 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,280 like a well with water and your own food and and and animals. 583 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,760 So kind of in between. And so the, yeah, as, as you 584 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,680 say, you, you get, you have to make a deal, you know? 585 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,960 But I mean, you know, home is where the heart is. 586 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:59,200 And so also, you know, so I mean, my default configuration 587 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,640 is probably fairly anarchist, but that's also as a result of 588 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,239 living on the African continent. Perhaps I would have a different 589 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,440 view if I grew up in Shanghai. You know, I don't know. 590 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,320 But but what I do know is I, I prefer what I what I know, and I 591 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,280 prefer what I am surrounded with. 592 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:21,440 But it comes at a cost. Yeah. 593 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120 You were having the chat with Nick Hudson the other day and 594 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,719 I'm a fan of his and I know he follows me on X and I just 595 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,120 haven't gone around to asking him on. 596 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,520 But you guys. Yeah. 597 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,920 And and you but you guys were talking about something related 598 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,480 to forget it, what it was China and why they're. 599 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,639 So I think was suspicious or something like that. 600 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:48,159 And that made me think of, I think a lot of what what what's 601 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:52,560 a lot of that stuff comes from the previous regimes that they 602 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,600 lived under. So, you know, I've lived in 603 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,560 Kazakhstan, I've been to Russia. And one thing you notice there's 604 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,480 a commonality to like China, Kazakhstan, Russia in those 605 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,680 regards, and it's the totalitarianism and that they've 606 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,760 lived through Soviet Union, Chinese history. 607 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,640 Kazakhstan was Soviet Union and I'd lived in Mongolia as well, 608 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,560 which was less to that extent. They were satellites of Soviet 609 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,160 Union. But you know, the I stole my 610 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,520 landlord in Kazakhstan. Great guy, but I, when I would 611 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,600 veer too much into politics, he actually told me stop talking 612 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,840 about politics like he was still afraid of, of because, you know, 613 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,000 it's an authoritarian light state. 614 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,880 Kazakhstan again, it's kind of to your point, it's still a nice 615 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,880 place to live. It's from, I find it interesting 616 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,200 and the people are, are, are are nice, but it's authoritarian 617 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,120 light. And the people had this attitude 618 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,840 when COVID came along that they were like, yes, we know it's all 619 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,560 a sham, but shut up, keep your head down and, and just move 620 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,280 forward. So they've been trained through 621 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,000 that previous history of of don't, don't make noise, don't 622 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,480 rebel, conform. Almost like the courage was the 623 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,520 individuality was sucked out of them. 624 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,560 But the COVID era. You know, is is sort of a litmus 625 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,240 test, you know, so if if you lived in a country where you had 626 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,080 to get APCR test like in China, well that's a deal breaker for 627 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,480 me, right? Like done deal. 628 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:22,040 I mean to to your point so. There is a website that I use to 629 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,040 gauge international teaching appointments is called 630 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,800 International Schools Review I think, and you have to pay 30 631 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,080 bucks to get access. And it's got forums of 632 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,320 international schools around the world and it's people who work 633 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,080 or used to work there that give the real reviews of what it's 634 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,720 like to work. Like do they pay? 635 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,600 What do they pay? Do they really pay it out? 636 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,280 How are the students administration and everything? 637 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,120 And you know, I had gotten offered potential offer to teach 638 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,520 in China and I thought, OK, I'm going to check out some of those 639 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,880 schools. And they were like the top 640 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,360 international schools. Well, I came across one foreign 641 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:04,080 teachers review of China. So she said pre COVID working 642 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,400 and teaching in China. Great, No problems. 643 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,400 But she then explained, so this is like a real, you know, you 644 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,600 pay access. These are real teachers, not 645 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,360 some, you know, propaganda. And so she said what happened to 646 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,880 her in 2022 during COVID as a teacher, foreign teacher, she 647 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,080 said that she got locked into her apartment. 648 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,040 She couldn't leave. And, you know, and, you know, 649 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,520 you guys, you talked with Nick and others, Yeah, some of those 650 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,120 stories were propaganda that came out, but some of it is not. 651 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,720 So here's a real foreign teacher saying I'm locked into my 652 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:35,440 apartment. I can't buy food like what, 653 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,520 what, what is this like the starvation and, and, and then so 654 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,720 she said post COVID, I wouldn't go teach in China. 655 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,600 And, and that's kind of like for me where I, I'm, I'm, you know, 656 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:49,800 whether it's Croatia or the place that I know Mexico, it's 657 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,440 not that bad to that extent. And I'm more familiar with their 658 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,560 surroundings here, which allow me to sort of maybe skirt some 659 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,760 things. But yeah, I mean I didn't get 660 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,120 APCR test at. All. 661 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:01,720 I didn't. I've never. 662 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,400 I've never got one. Yeah, and I didn't even. 663 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,680 Get a fake vaccine. Passport because I didn't want 664 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,240 to legitimise the system. So but I mean, I was able to to 665 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,720 do that here, you know, in South Africa, I don't think I would 666 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:15,120 have been able to do that in Shanghai. 667 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaking of which, I did ask some people in China about the 668 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,280 lockdowns and they there was a girl who said that she was 669 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,840 locked into apartment block. They couldn't leave. 670 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,640 They had food brought there, but that was only for two weeks. 671 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,600 I think it was, it wasn't like for six months or and you know, 672 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,040 there was no starvation, but it is true and. 673 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,480 But but. This is also part of the 674 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:47,240 information war or void like how you how you philtre, you know 675 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:50,000 the the truth that's infused with nonsense. 676 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,120 It's so difficult. So, so, so difficult. 677 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,400 And the segue is I said earlier I was going to ask you about the 678 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,240 word freedom. One of the things that that bugs 679 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,160 me. Are these? 680 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,040 These these sort of self designed movements, quote 681 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,360 unquote, the freedom health movement or the freedom movement 682 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,120 or whatever it might be. OK. 683 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,560 And I don't, I don't attach myself to any of those movements 684 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:19,800 because I don't really know what they mean. 685 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,280 But when when people talk about freedom, it's like a catch 686 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,000 phrase now, you know, you might as well put a little TM next to 687 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,480 it. Like what does it actually mean? 688 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,840 What do people mean when they talk about freedom? 689 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,680 That's a good question. I don't know, you know, and, and 690 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,960 he's supposed to know. I think I, I, you know. 691 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,600 I think it can also go to an extreme as well. 692 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,120 I mean, look at the West, you know, and, and I, I, I've 693 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,320 vaguely touched on some of these topics when you explore these 694 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,320 ideas of, of, I know the Russians have commented on this, 695 00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:01,400 like this liberalism of the West, which at the start it 696 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,640 seems OK, right? Like the American Revolution and 697 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,680 all that and the, the, the freedom and, and, and, and 698 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,680 liberty, right? But then you know there's a 699 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,880 great. There's a few great folks who 700 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,320 have have have been trying to explore this, but then you come 701 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,480 to realise, you know, a lot of those ideas were started by 702 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,080 these Freemasons, occultists, these ideas of, of liberty, this 703 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,560 God of liberty today. And I think there's something to 704 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,400 this. You know, I was born in America, 705 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,360 I got Thomas Jefferson right behind me, all that jazz. 706 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,200 But then you realise, wait a minute. 707 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,800 I think the underlying philosophy though is anti 708 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,240 Christian and anti human because what it means it's it's it's 709 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:48,960 Satan. You know, Satan was in in the 710 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,000 King's court, right, God's court. 711 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,360 And he was ultimately he was beautiful musician narcissist. 712 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,800 So he wanted to be God. He wanted to lead the first 713 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,280 colour revolution, the first regime change it first coup 714 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,800 d'etat, coup d'etat in heaven and he was kicked out. 715 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,640 But the liberalism, and I think that that that's why I say these 716 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,600 Freemasons and they're occultists and probably 717 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,200 theosophists when they say that means there's no limit to 718 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,920 freedom. So I think the result of us 719 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,920 having now men who want to be women and trans and this and 720 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,680 that, I think that's actually a natural consequence of this 721 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,760 philosophy of, of freedom where there's no, there's no limit. 722 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,080 So you can be what you want. You can be do what you want. 723 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,840 You know, you Aleister Crowley says, right? 724 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,600 What does he say? I forget the quote now. 725 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,680 The whole of Yeah, I forget it now. 726 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,840 But anyways, yeah, but you're touching on. 727 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:54,200 What I'm alluding to and and that is this idea of well. 728 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,560 Freedom a being a catch. Phrase, but B nobody really 729 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,200 knowing what they mean when they say it. 730 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,840 Because if you talk about freedom politically, you 731 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,720 probably are. Speaking about. 732 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,360 Anarchism, which means no state at all. 733 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,120 And everything is locally, locally driven. 734 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,560 But most people I've spoken to who would argue for freedom 735 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,800 would not go down that road. You know, they, they talk about 736 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,640 a good government, you know, that that maintains the 737 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,080 country's sovereignty, for example. 738 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,440 But you can't have that if you are living in an anarchy, you 739 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,280 know what I mean? And so that's politically 740 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,760 speaking, culturally speaking, I don't know what it means either 741 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,080 to to have maximum freedom. I don't know what that means. 742 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,560 Well, I mean like some of our. Fellow podcasters are 743 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,920 anarchists, volunteerists, right? 744 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,520 And I don't that can never be applied. 745 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,320 I'm I'm like, look, OK, there's no governor in Mexico. 746 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,560 Yes, there is the cartels, which they're they chop off your 747 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,240 heads. It's like they did dissolve 748 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:03,120 your, they extort you. So it's kind of like you're not 749 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,960 going to have anarchy. There's always going to be 750 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,760 someone to fill that power vacuum. 751 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,720 So for me, it's like a pipe dream is never going to happen. 752 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:13,040 And I got and I come from. It never has happened either, by 753 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,560 the way. Yeah. 754 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,640 And then from the. Biblical worldview, it says, you 755 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,080 know, government is not the idea of a government. 756 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,520 A government isn't bad. Obviously I don't like it. 757 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,280 And I think even in the Bible, you can read that early on, God 758 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,280 was like, you know, to the Israelites, just follow us. 759 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,600 You don't need a government. But the people like we want a 760 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,800 government. It's like, OK, and and so. 761 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,680 Yeah, but what about that verse? Sorry, what about? 762 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,120 Sorry, but that verse that says given to Caesar that which is 763 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,360 Caesar's and given to God that which is God's right? 764 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,400 So that's a whole other. Philosophy so like we're living 765 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,080 in this age of governments and and the point of that was Jesus 766 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,560 saying, look, the most important thing is your salvation, 767 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:55,400 eternity, not not now. And so to espouse this Christian 768 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:02,160 morale of loving your enemy, preaching the gospel, be the 769 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,520 best citizen that you can be, Yeah. 770 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:10,520 And be the most innocent, righteous, truthful, honest type 771 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,200 of person. So I think that's what he meant. 772 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,240 So that when you get persecuted by this tyrannical government, 773 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,640 that they have nothing bad to say about you. 774 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,240 Like, oh, look, he's paying his taxes. 775 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,040 He, you know, he doesn't curse. He helps his neighbours. 776 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,160 So you're being like an, an example. 777 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,600 And then the government's like, well, what are, what are we 778 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,840 going to get this guy on? Like, you know, And so I think 779 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,680 that was the point. And so I forget what we're 780 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,040 talking about the freedom and and then social as well. 781 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,640 Like if you go live in those like Kazakhstan and Russia, 782 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:46,200 socially conservative, they'll never let fly this trans LGBT 783 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,720 plus Q stuff, you know? So, but I mean, I saw. 784 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:55,320 None of that in northern China. Like absolutely none of it. 785 00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,440 No purple hair, no green hair, no low cut tops on on women like 786 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,720 very conservative. And a strong yeah, and. 787 00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:07,520 A strong sense of family and community. 788 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,840 And that's why you, that's why when you go to China, you end up 789 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:16,880 with multiple philosophical tug of tugs of war, tugs of war, tug 790 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,520 of wars, tugs of war. What's the Bureau? 791 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,120 Tugs of war I guess, but you end up with. 792 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,440 Many of the hosts. You're sitting on that on that 793 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,920 flight home thinking, I don't know which way to go with this. 794 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,000 I mean, there's no perfect. Location, wherever you go in 795 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,960 China, you get a plus, you get a minus you come to Mexico plus A 796 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,040 minus US. So it's really subjective and 797 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,280 you know, people sometimes tell me you should leave Mexico and 798 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,000 come here where I am or this or that. 799 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,640 And I'm just like it's, it's up to the individual. 800 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,400 There's just so many factors. But I mean, you know, again. 801 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,080 You can't see what's. In front of me, but I. 802 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,480 I've got. I've got my windows open and 803 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,840 it's beautiful. I have mountains and vineyards, 804 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,160 you know, and it's all green, you know, And the sky is blue, 805 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:14,920 no chemtrails, you know, And it feels and smells healthy and and 806 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:20,000 wholesome. So am I OK then, with the chaos? 807 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,120 I think I am. No, that's a great place to be. 808 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,600 That's an ideal. And I was shocked this summer 809 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,280 and like the chemtrails in Croatia, like I've never it's 810 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,560 been. It was so in your face that's 811 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,000 like you couldn't deny that those were actual chemtrails. 812 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,920 And so I thought a place like the Adriatic where it's it's 813 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,160 it's mostly nature. They're geoengineering us. 814 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:43,880 So. Yeah. 815 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,400 But you want to go there, Well, you know it's it is. 816 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,440 It's home, you know, It's my homeland. 817 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,280 So you know, what can I, what can I say? 818 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,520 What is somebody from Croatia called A. 819 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,720 A. Croat A Croat Yeah, yeah, yeah. 820 00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:03,840 Croat, yeah. OK, a Croat. 821 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,560 Is Croatia part of the EU? Unfortunately, yes. 2013, I 822 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,640 believe we were assimilated by the Borg and three years ago we 823 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,680 lost our currency. So now, and this was, I saw, I 824 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,160 was there three years ago in 2022 for three months while we 825 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,440 still had the currency. And I came back in September and 826 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,360 then December was the last month before, you know, they, they got 827 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,480 rid of, they introduced the euro and I think January 2023. 828 00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,920 And so this was my first trip where I came in where it was all 829 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,360 euro. And honestly, I felt like 830 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,240 almost, I was on another planet and that aliens took over. 831 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:43,960 I mean, it's, it's really something when you come to your 832 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,360 country and you don't have a currency, it's like you don't 833 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,920 have a country anymore. Well, and it was just to be 834 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,720 fair. Many African countries also 835 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:59,000 don't have currencies. But for very different reasons. 836 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,200 But that's even better if you don't have a currency. 837 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,600 At all that's fine, but if now we have to use the euro, it's 838 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,560 like that's another, you know, but just quickly. 839 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,680 Going back to the question I was asking about freedom, I mean, I 840 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,560 was reminded of those, those freedom events in Washington or 841 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,840 wherever they were, where they have a lot of bands playing in 842 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,880 people speaking on stage. And and then I think to myself, 843 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,280 what what is it that they're actually wanting? 844 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,120 A lot of them are mega and Trump supporters and they, they see 845 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,560 Trump as fighting for freedom. But dude, he's part of the 846 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,440 system. He's part of the machine. 847 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,000 He, he introduced warp speed and Stargate. 848 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,320 Yeah, I've been. I've become. 849 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,040 Disillusioned with a lot of those events and, and 850 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:47,680 organisations and I don't like to be part of generally any, 851 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,000 any, any association. But yeah, it's, it's some of 852 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,040 them are well meaning people. No problem with them. 853 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,640 Some are rifters, obviously. And the whole Trump thing. 854 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,800 Trump is, I've been saying this since I guess the beginning. 855 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,640 Trump is new world order. He's he's globalist, he's 856 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,880 bringing in installing the new world order and there's no other 857 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,280 way. I mean, who else? 858 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,360 When you talk about this, I'm not saying he's the Antichrist, 859 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,360 but I when you talk about this idea of the Antichrist and the 860 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,320 installation of the new world order, it's going to come 861 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,000 through somebody who appears to be, you know, it's not going to 862 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,040 come through some left wing radical pink haired nose rings, 863 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,160 you know, awoke person. Everyone's be like, what, what 864 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,600 is this? It's going to be someone who's 865 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,360 who's wearing a suit, who pretends to be, you know, 866 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:38,520 Christian, and that's the guy who's going to sneak in right 867 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,080 through the front door holding a Bible, as Trump does. 868 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:46,200 And reminds me of Gary, Gary Oldman in the Book of Eli with 869 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,960 Denzel Washington. He's the guy who wants to get 870 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,120 his. I love it. 871 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,040 He wants to get his hand on the Bible so he can control the 872 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,720 town. So yeah, I mean Trump. 873 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,600 This is the thing that has blown my mind immensely, is that when 874 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,320 he came in for the second term, when he was, shall we say, 875 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,960 selected for the second term, How? 876 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,840 Millions. Of people would just beautifully 877 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,240 and poetically brought back into the system. 878 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,480 But it's it happens everywhere. Like I had the same situation 879 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,080 here in Mexico, where some of my Mexican friends, some of them 880 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,000 who are even Christian, who are not supposed to be left wing, 881 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,160 and I criticised, I criticised, I criticised Morena, the left 882 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,280 wing party, Scheinbaum. I'm low Scheinbaum, who just 883 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,360 proposed one of their politicians proposed a bill to 884 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,920 if you meme a politician, you can get six years in gaol. 885 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,040 And I posted that and I said alert, alert. 886 00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:44,640 You know, they're they're trying to do this. 887 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,280 And for me, it's not about left to right. 888 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,280 Like the right wing government tried to do this ten years ago. 889 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,200 Now the left wing government is doing it. 890 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,080 And my left wing friends got angry because they believe in 891 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,280 their left wing party. They think that's their team. 892 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,640 And I'm telling I'm thinking like Morena that left, They 893 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:03,760 don't they don't know who you are. 894 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,200 They don't care about you. And it's the same thing with the 895 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,640 Trump stuff. It's just people. 896 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,440 It's part of his cope. They need to believe in 897 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,480 something, some hero. And if they if then if they 898 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,960 don't have it somewhere else, like my minds is Jesus. 899 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,720 And so it's, you know, you've talked. 900 00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:21,880 I've seen you comment on that before, the black pill stuff. 901 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,040 And it's like, I'm black pilled, but I'm not. 902 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,640 Yes, I'm black pilled in the near term, but my white pill is 903 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,560 Jesus. If you don't like that, don't 904 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,720 you know just you've got your? Own white pill so. 905 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,920 Yeah, look, Voya. That that Blackpool comment is 906 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,720 very multi layered. This is one of the things that I 907 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:46,120 have been trying to. Get across. 908 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:52,040 In on my show lately is is the complexities that are around us. 909 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,240 I think. I think it's Kid Knightley. 910 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:58,920 Who who really, really drove this point home when you said 911 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,160 that people, even on our side, get caught up in these fake 912 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,760 binaries, these false dichotomies where it's where 913 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,760 it's one or zero and they completely ignore all of that 914 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,520 grey that's between the black and the white. 915 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,920 We are a very, very big world and there is a lot of complexity 916 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,280 and a lot of nuance. So like a black pool, it's not a 917 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,840 there's not like one sentence definition, but it generally 918 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,960 means when I speak about it is is the dangers of being jaded or 919 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,520 nihilistic. You know if if you wake up in 920 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,840 the morning and you have no desire to get out of bed and 921 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,880 you. And you feel like you have no 922 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,320 purpose. Something is wrong, very, very 923 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,000 wrong. It's a bad place to be. 924 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,600 That leads to taking antidepressants and basically 925 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,560 you become reliant on the system and you might not even, you 926 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,120 know, live, you know, you might decide to try and take your own 927 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,040 life. That is a very dark, dark place 928 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:02,480 to be. And it's easy to fall into that 929 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,680 trap when you see what's going on around you. 930 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,040 And so it's so, so when I speak about the Blackpool, I speak 931 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,280 about that it's not really going, Oh, well, there's no 932 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,280 point because there's always a point, you know, you've pointed 933 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,840 out that, you know, you, you should always fight the good 934 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,080 fight and, and you can win little battles along the way. 935 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,280 And, and those, and those can, can lead to great things. 936 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:33,680 And the white pole then, by by extension, is merely taking that 937 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,560 information and waking up with a purpose, you know, getting out 938 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,480 of bed and still being able to smile and, I don't know, bring 939 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,840 coffee to your wife, you know, and, and make bacon and eggs 940 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,960 and, and feel like you can still get through the day. 941 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,960 You know what I mean? Yeah. 942 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,160 And and I'm referring. To black pill as some 943 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,400 commentators on the different platforms who, you know, tell 944 00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,840 me, oh, you're always so negative. 945 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,120 You're looking at this bad stuff and and to your like, like you 946 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,640 say, you know, I'm I get up, I'm happy the sun is shining. 947 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,760 I fire up the coffee. I'm like, what's going on in the 948 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,600 world? And I have a balance, you know, 949 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,680 I go out into nature, play with the, with my kids and all that, 950 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,320 all that sort of stuff. And I think it's the, the 951 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,920 problem is some of these people who misdiagnosed it was like, 952 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,960 look, I, I can stare into the bit abyss daily, You know, it, 953 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,400 it doesn't really get to me. And I've been lately saying that 954 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,600 resistance is not futile. I said in a recent interview 955 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:34,800 that just if, if something is wrong, like the digital ID stuff 956 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,320 or whatever, whatever the outcome, even if we're 957 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,400 surrounded, if it's like the movie 300, you know, if we're 958 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,920 going to die, it's still kind of a white pill to resist. 959 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,520 You resist not because knowing whether you're going to win or 960 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:51,960 lose, because it's the right thing to do. 961 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,920 You don't comply with evil, you fight it. 962 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,160 And you know, that's another version of the white pill. 963 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,880 I think the great. Thing about the pull and energy 964 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:08,000 though, is that it simplifies some of these complex or 965 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,840 abstract ideas and I'm very grateful to that wonderful 90s 966 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:19,480 documentary The Matrix. What a disaster. 967 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,640 Did the Matrix become the the the directors? 968 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,080 Hey I I never even got. Around to watching the third 969 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,560 sequel and it was a waste of time. 970 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,680 And it's just. It's but it just seems across 971 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,120 the board that they've just destroyed all. 972 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,520 It was such a good movie, that first one. 973 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:43,000 It was it was breakthrough, I thought, but it. 974 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,680 It's across the board, you know? I was a huge fan of Mission 975 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,400 Impossible, even though it was before my time, even as a kid at 976 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,600 the the TV show. I'm talking about the original 977 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,440 Mission Impossible, Mission Impossible. 978 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,320 And then when the first one came out, that was like the only 979 00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,800 movie that I went twice to the movie theatre to watch. 980 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,320 I think it was in the early 90's, the original Mission 981 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,720 Impossible with director Brian De Balma, which had this 982 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,280 ambience. You know, they had the ambience. 983 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,640 If you remember the first Mission Impossible of like a 984 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,520 real spy movie. And then the rest were just 985 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,960 garbage, like fast food type, you know, So they do it with 986 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,760 everything they destroy. That's the. 987 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,120 That's the. Liberal globalist world. 988 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:27,080 Order I still do. Enjoy movies and I I don't 989 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,880 subscribe to that idea that I'm just going to throw out the TV 990 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,240 because I think I think they are still good movies that get made 991 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,240 and they are they are good messages that come through some 992 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,960 of them I thought Lord of the Rings was great for example 993 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,800 yeah, I was watching Narnia with my. 994 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,000 Kids, yeah, yeah, to your point, you're you're, you're right. 995 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,520 And I do also watch stuff selectively, but sometimes their 996 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,880 stuff as well. It's entertaining, but it's, 997 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,400 it's they're programming us like, well, like John Cusack, 998 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,240 you know, did you know? There was a movie. 999 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:04,080 That came out in 20. 12 called Contagion. 1000 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,360 Did you know about this movie? I know, I know of it. 1001 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,280 I haven't seen it. But you know, I, I went back a 1002 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,720 few years ago and and watched Utopia with John Cusack, which 1003 00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:19,080 was filmed in 2020, 1819 and released in 2020 during COVID 1004 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,440 where they basically said, yeah, we're gonna fake a pandemic just 1005 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,440 so people can get injected with a sterilant. 1006 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:27,600 No ways. You know, it's cool. 1007 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:28,440 So. In your. 1008 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:33,000 Utopia You So was first a a British TV show in the 23rd in 1009 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:38,000 2013 and then it was remade is an American version. 1010 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,560 And it's literally, I mean, that's literally what they 1011 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,680 effectively did. And they said that they created 1012 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,200 this image of a pandemic where his company secretly they hired 1013 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,200 different vans and they went around the US and they sprayed 1014 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,600 some sort of concoction to get people I'll to create the 1015 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,320 appearance of a pandemic so that they would demand the vaccine. 1016 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,240 And he was saying he had this famous quip in this TV show like 1017 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,920 you have to like summoning Bernard Shaw, You must earn your 1018 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,920 right to live daily. And so it's it's so, you know, 1019 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,400 so in your I, I had never heard of. 1020 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,920 Contagion until I think late 2020 and someone on social media 1021 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,480 said, hey, check out this movie Contagion. 1022 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,120 And then I go and have a look and it's it's a legit movie with 1023 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,000 legit actors. And it came out like almost a 1024 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,000 decade earlier. And it's about a corona virus 1025 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,680 outbreak. And in that movie, they used the 1026 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,920 term social distancing, which is a term that I'd never heard 1027 00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,800 before 2020. And, and everything was the same 1028 00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,440 as basically as what happened in 2020. 1029 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,600 And it's just creepy. It's just creepy. 1030 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,360 Which leads me to a quick, a quick question before we come in 1031 00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,920 for a landing. How much of what's going on do 1032 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,680 you think is by design and how much of it is by emergence? 1033 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,640 I think. It's most of. 1034 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:05,240 It is by design. We can see, you know, the COVID 1035 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:11,840 stuff that's planned, the wars, the economic aspects, they don't 1036 00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:17,360 always go according to plan, but they just come back and retry 1037 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,320 and they're relentless. Evil is relentless. 1038 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,560 And so I, and then as you mentioned, I mean how is that a 1039 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,520 coincidence, contagion and COVID in the 10/20/2010 Rockefeller 1040 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,800 report. And so come on, this is all 1041 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,680 mostly planned. And then if you take. 1042 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,840 The biblical worldview that there's someone driving this, 1043 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,640 there's this entity that's lived for millennia, Lucifer, who's 1044 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,480 the driving force? He's strategic and he's got a 1045 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,600 plan where he wants to take us and it's it's moving along 1046 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,800 swimmingly until it isn't because he loses in the end. 1047 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:56,080 So that's AI think that's a good. 1048 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,400 Way to end the the conversation, Arvoya. 1049 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,400 How can my audience follow you? Geopolitics and empire. 1050 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,000 Dot com all the links are there. I'm on X telegram sub stack, 1051 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,080 YouTube odyssey wherever you can find me. 1052 01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,640 I just want to point out that your your work. 1053 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,200 Has been some of my favourite in the last five years. 1054 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,040 I think I discovered you in 2020 ish. 1055 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,600 I think it was then I remember, you know, I did a Yeah, I so I. 1056 01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,080 Called you to come out my podcast 2021 and I think you 1057 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:26,680 came on. You probably didn't know 1058 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,880 anything of my work. And then after I, I'm, I'm 1059 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,080 guessing after the fact, you looked at the archive and you're 1060 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,840 like, whoa, you know, so I remember, yes, I do remember. 1061 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,280 And I. Because I and I remember the 1062 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,200 sort of the blue, that sort of blue aesthetic that you have 1063 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,200 going and I don't know, I just fell in love with your work. 1064 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:49,040 It was so, so good. And and you've had some. 1065 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,400 Incredible guests. And you've had some incredible 1066 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,400 insights that that have stuck with me. 1067 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,640 So from from from the bottom of my heart, God bless you, my 1068 01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,400 friend, you've, you have positively impacted my life. 1069 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,480 So I thank you for for the great work that you've done. 1070 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,160 Well, I've also been. Learning from your work as well. 1071 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,960 So yeah, thanks for thanks for anyway, Voya, Thank. 1072 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:14,840 You for joining me in the trenches.