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Good afternoon, it's Friday the 
31st of October 2025, just after

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1:00. 
Welcome to UK Call News. 

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I'm your host Mike Robinson, my 
Co host in the studio today, 

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Patrick Henningson. 
Welcome to the programme, 

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Patrick. 
Great to be with you, Mike. 

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And we're joined today by Mark 
Anderson, as usual on Friday. 

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Now, later in the programme, 
we're going to be looking at the

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latest censorship news. 
We're going to be looking at 

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Trump in Asia and his threats of
nuclear proliferation and the 

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latest on Russian oil sanctions.
But we have to really begin 

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today with the former Grand Old 
Duke of York, who as we know a 

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couple of weeks ago was stripped
of that title and has now been 

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stripped of the princely title 
that he has. 

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So if we put it on screen here, 
there is somehow from the grave,

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somebody whispering in his ear 
there. 

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I'm not sure what's going on. 
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claims to have announced that 
Prince Andrew is no longer 

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Prince Andrew. 
He's been stripped of his 

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princely title and is now going 
to be known as Andrew 

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Mountbatten Windsor. 
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said. 
It's said that His Majesty has 

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today initiated a formal process
to remove the style title in 

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honours of Prince Andrew. 
Prince Andrew will now be known 

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as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor. 
His lease on Royal Lodge has the

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date provided him with legal 
protection to continue in 

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residence. 
It went on to say sorry and 

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formal notice has now been 
served to surrender the lease 

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and he will move to alternative 
private accommodation, I believe

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to be paid for by the King 
personally. 

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These censures are deemed 
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fact that he continues to deny 
the allegations against them. 

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Their Majesties wish to make it 
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utmost sympathies have been and 
will remain with the victims and

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survivors of all forms of abuse.
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really because I believe that 
when there's Full disclosure 

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about the now King's previous 
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that we, you know, that that 
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might have some, you know, 
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But I I've absolutely questioned
whether their first thoughts are

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with victims of abuse at all. 
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absolutely order the British 
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Was he not the same Jimmy Savile
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secretary kept the diary for 
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Savile as that headline in LBC 
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ago, we could put that back on 
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Jimmy Salva for help with royal 
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reveal so. 
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They were, they were clearly 
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questions about that 
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actually if they've never been 
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Charles is lucky he didn't have 
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back then back. 
Then indeed, but but look at it,

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it's the question is, well, 
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get to the question, let's just 
point this out because strangely

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there's no announcement on the 
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situation, no announcement 
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No, no announcement on the on 
the ex profile that this has 

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happened. 
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issued, I guess via the BBC 
primarily here, so nothing there

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at all. 
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media are calling this a scam 
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that there's been no act of 
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issued. 
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the statement said, it said that
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initiated. 
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see what the mechanism for this 
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think this is what we need to 
discuss now is why now? 

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Why at this particular moment? 
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here. 1 is that this is an 
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royal family connections to 
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pronounce his name. 
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to pronounce it the other way 
that now. 

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But anyway, there's another 
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they're prepared to sacrifice 
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keep pressure on the present. 
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because at least one commentator
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morning claimed to be proud to 
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royal family is cleaning house 
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complete denial. 
So the question is, is this 

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about Trump? 
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screen in the United States, the
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build just at the right moment, 
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headline here. 
Cracks emerging in Republican 

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loyalty to Trump as Epstein bomb
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And we've got more here. 
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loom large from Spiegel 
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They're they're reflecting the 
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build in the United States. 
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commentator, Lawrence Trump is 
using the government shutdown to

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shut down the Epstein files. 
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is, is this about Trump 
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And, and is it a coincidence 
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even higher than it has been in 
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at the time that this event 
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is now arguably in in June and 
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And that's when the White House 
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attorney General issued this 
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a scandal and there's no black 
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And that's when Charlie Kirk and
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pressure and other MAGA 
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pressure because there was a 
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on the Epstein files, made it a 
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going to release the files, my 
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transparent and all of a sudden 
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and then denials. 
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these MAGA organisations were 
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membership because of that. 
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that I think also forced Charlie
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where he was questioning this 
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not be able to question Israel 
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connection with Israel. 
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building up for a while. 
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all summer, in fact. 
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where you have some contrast now
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American side on this. 
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But since you bring the Israeli 
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it. 
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possibility that it could also 
be about former Israeli Prime 

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Minister Ahud Barack. 
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Virginia Guthrie accused him of 
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multiple occasions in court 
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Now, Barrack of course, denies 
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But obviously there's there's 
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And in fact, you know that there
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the entire globalist billionaire
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And really so the question 
underlying all this, is this an 

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attempt by the royal family to 
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is it an attempt to divert from 
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to to put pressure on Trump? 
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Those, it could be all of those.
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Israeli. 
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Israeli Prime Minister, former 
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pretty pretty central figure 
there and best friends with Jeff

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mansion and so forth. 
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just anybody. 
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potentially explosive there on 
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support for Israel's is 
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I think among Democrats, support
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digits, single digits, when has 
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welcome Mark to the programme. 
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the issue of of Venezuela. 
G'day, gentlemen and viewers. 

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Yeah, the, of course, the 
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been ablaze with headlines about
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the lower Caribbean area. 
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course, turning up the heat 
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regime, as Trump calls them. 
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various sources trying to find 
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not go to the New York Times and
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whatever. 
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their more active branches in 
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Arts and Letters and Jeffrey 
Fields October 29 published this

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article entitled Trump's anti 
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lack justifiable targets and 
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President Trump okayed a naval 
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strikes on boats in 
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OPS in Venezuela, says Jeffrey. 
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or objective, of course the 
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is not going to always announce 
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they're going to give you a wag 
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that, by that source. 
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following, stressing that 
there's no evidence, the Trump 

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administration claimed without 
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carrying illegal drugs. 14 boats
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were being operated by drug 
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reportedly killing 43 people. 
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administration, Trump 
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substantial military buildup in 
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some of its strike group along 
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to that area and moved F35 
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So a very significant events 
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potential ramifications. 
But that's a pretty good account

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overall that is not partisan to 
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Patrick, of course the question 
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from this region and and the 
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really about. 
Is it about the oil in Venezuela

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or the rarest in Venezuela? 
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Chavez and and Maduro have been 
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drug trade, which of course the 
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been deeply involved in for 
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Well, let's just go by what the 
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the administration is hanging 
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whole thing on allegations that 
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much becoming like a WMDS in 
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there's no actual evidence of 
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This is from the Washington 
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Trump merges the war on drugs 
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Venezuela showdown. 
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especially on the right wing 
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conspiracy theories. 
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in the Newsmax and one American 
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Hezbollah is working with the 
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This is from like Marco Rubio 
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to do what I don't know, ship 
drugs and ruin the lives of 

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American teenagers. 
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But so, and Hamas has got 
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Qaeda and ISIS or have got 
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They found a Quran somewhere in 
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border. 
This is normal sort of fodder. 

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But Trump is basically 
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have a number of hacked 
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this stuff out on social media 
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All these sleepers. 
Laura Loomer is one of them 

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who's in this kind of an Israeli
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whatever. 
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where she's from or what her 
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So this is the narrative that 
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in here. 
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things of the Clinton 
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Bush neocons, the War on Terror 
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Trump has managed to put them 
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So and, and behind him is in 
Marco Rubio, who seems to have 

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his own personal vendetta 
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governments that don't lean far 
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And he's made it his career as a
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on that. 
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knows more than anybody about 
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what it should be and how to 
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Hegseth, who somehow gifted the 
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But that's the disturbing trend 
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So let's let's go to this video 
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drug accusation, Mike, is is 
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Is there any legs to that? 
Let's listen to Trump and then 

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let's listen to a 60 minutes 
report from 1993. 

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Roll this. 
Why did you authorise the CIA to

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go into Venezuela? 
We have a lot of drugs coming in

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from Venezuela. 
A tonne of cocaine, pure cocaine

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worth hundreds of millions, is 
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Sound familiar? 
Not the way this tonne of 

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cocaine got here. 
According to what the former 

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head of the Drug Enforcement 
Administration told Mike 

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Wallace, this drug shipment got 
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drug trafficking by the CIA in 
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National Guard. 
Now we understand what you're 

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saying. 
A tonne of cocaine was smuggled 

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into the United States of 
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National Guard. 
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the CIA. 
That's what that's exactly what 

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appears to have happened. 
Until last month, Judge Robert 

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Bonner was the head of the Drug 
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DEA, and Judge Bonner explained 
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DEA is authorised to approve the
transportation of any illegal 

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narcotics like cocaine into this
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bringing it in. 
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Me put it this way, Mike, if 
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DEA or an appropriate law 
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United States, then it's 
illegal. 

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It's called drug trafficking. 
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So what you're saying, in 
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law, Simple as that. 
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way you can rationalise around 
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Back in the 1980's, the CIA was 
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So, Mike, so they're taking 
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trafficking it through 
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the DEA would then bring it into
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end up on the streets of 
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That was in the early 90s. 
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Venezuela. 
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that was the end of that. 
No more drug trafficking using 

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the National Guard as mules for 
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in the DEA. 
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in the Western Hemisphere are 
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collaboration with the cartels. 
So where's Trump coming up with 

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this? 
And we only have to look at the 

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work of the Pulitzer Prize 
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the late Gary Webb, the great 
Gary Webb over his Alliance 

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series is historic. 
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the CIA brought crack cocaine 
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and major U.S. cities. 
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demonise the African American 
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of destroy it ultimately. 
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the 1990s. 
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There's a few other elements to 
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that's what happened. 
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that same legacy of Chavez and 
if anything Venezuela is an anti

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narco state. 
So how on earth can any of these

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accusations stick without any 
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That's the big question here. 
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Gary Webb, we should just remind
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committed suicide and inverted 
commas by shooting himself twice

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in the head, which is. 
From behind with a shotgun 

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something. 
Practically important. 

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It was a handgun, but it was 
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impossibility and if if not a 
total impossibility, And I'm 

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just going to say that that in 
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death, I was on a mailing list 
that he was part of. 

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And you know, obviously I never 
met him. 

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I never spoke to him in person, 
but he did not seem to be at the

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point of suicide in any of the 
communications that I saw no 

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with that group. 
No, and in the late Robert Perry

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also worked with him on on these
same stories and Robert in 

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effect was support supported in 
a bit of a mentor for him. 

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Robert had told me that as well 
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published before he passed away 
a few years ago. 

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Right. 
The great Robert Perry, 

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investigative journalist, 
founder of Consortium News, Yes.

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But let's look at look at this 
because here's where it gets 

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interesting. 
So then it's not enough to 

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demonise Venezuela. 
Trump is now imposing sanctions 

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on Colombian President Petro or 
Gustavo Petro. 

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Now, Colombia was the number one
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largest recipient of U.S. 
military aid and but they had a 

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right wing government and so 
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Washington and very supportive. 
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here, not just the United 
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Why all of a sudden are they 
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It's strange, but maybe not. 
Let's look at listen to this 

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video very closely. 
This is President Petro at the 

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UN General Assembly just last 
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And this is what he said about a
very close friend and ally of 

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the United States. 
Go ahead and roll this. 

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First and foremost, we need to 
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Humanity cannot allow single day
more of this genocide or for the

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genocidal Netanyahu and his 
allies in Europe and the United 

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States to continue. 
The United Nations must uphold 

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the decisions of the 
international Court of Justice. 

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International law is the basis 
of civilization and united for 

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peace for Palestine. 
We should establish A 

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peacekeeping force to to protect
where it's not. 

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Not blue helmets. 
There's no what we need is a 

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powerful army of countries that 
do not accept genocide. 

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That is why I invite nations of 
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more than most importantly as a 
integral part of humanity, to 

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bring together weapons and 
armies and to defend Palestine. 

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He's calling for more than 
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He said no blue helmets. 
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from other countries to defend 
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That's a bridge too far for for 
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So they've clearly putting 
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basically move on Colombia. 
I think this is a major issue 

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and it I wonder why. 
What else about Colombia and 

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Israel? 
There's some history there. 

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Look at this. 
OK. 

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There's a very good, very well 
researched article here by the 

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way. 
Security and context. 

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Colombia shifts everything. 
Military ties moving away from 

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decades of Israeli sponsored 
violence in Colombia. 

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What's this all about? 
What? 

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What's Israel's business in 
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Kind of interesting, isn't it? 
What were they doing there? 

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It turns out Israel was selling 
loads of billions in fact, of 

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weapons to Colombia. 
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And the other thing they were 
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radical far right paramilitary 
forces that were fighting the 

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FARC in Colombia, OK, trained by
the Israelis. 

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And these were known as death 
squads, OK Didn't get a lot of 

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bad press in America because 
they're allied with America at 

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the time, right? 
So isn't that interesting? 

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And there's other things, 
there's allegations potentially 

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of Israeli military involved in,
who knows, maybe some some of 

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the drug trade, maybe some 
import export activity into the 

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Middle East and Europe, who 
knows. 

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There's a lot of accusations 
flying around on this. 

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But Israel's deeply involved in 
Colombia, but not under Gustavo 

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Petro, you see. 
So we see this split in policy 

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and all of the sudden they're 
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I find it to be more than a 
coincidence. 

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And here is Venezuela, just to 
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side, Venezuelan president says 
Palestine is the most just cause

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for humanity. 
On the day of solidarity with 

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Palestinian people, he's wearing
the scarf there. 

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That's Maduro. 
How many world leaders will wear

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a Palestinian scarf at a major 
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This is normal. 
So this is another reason. 

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So by the way, 2009, the first 
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Palestinian state in the Western
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So this is nothing new. 
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Chavez all the way through to 
Maduro. 

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So it's just funny that they're 
being singled out with all sorts

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of fake allegations of 
substantiated allegations of 

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Venezuela being a narco state, 
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the biggest drug traffickers in 
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Drug Enforcement Agency of the 
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Traditionally, that's documented
fact, as we showed. 

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OK, well, let's move on then to 
Donald Trump in Korea with 

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President Xi Jinping. 
They've met in South Korea. 

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Well, the question is what 
happened? 

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Did did Trump Kiev again in 
terms of trade? 

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Because the tariffs on China are
now around 20%, which is lower 

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than some of what the US calls 
their allies. 

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In exchange for China buying 
soybeans, Trump got rid of the 

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fentanyl tariff. 
He suspended the targeted 

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sanctions on Chinese shipping. 
He suspended the BIS 50% rule 

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targeting China, China's 
semiconductor companies. 

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And this is a rule which says 
that if AUS subsidiary company 

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is owned 50% or more by entities
on the BIS entity list or 

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military end user list. 
So in other words, Chinese 

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companies, they own 50% or more 
of of the US subsidiary than 

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those subsidiaries would be 
subjected to the same trade 

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restrictions as the parent 
companies. 

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In exchange for all this, then 
China will roll back rare earth 

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export control imposed after the
6th of October. 

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But any export control before 
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So still no rare earths for the 
United States. 

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But so I'm going to say thank 
you very much to Carl Zafra for 

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that breakdown of what happened 
there. 

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But anyway, the Dutch government
is now going to feel very silly 

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for this situation, this story. 
This is Nexperia, which is a, a,

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a semiconductor company and this
was done on behalf of Trump's. 

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Basically, the Dutch government 
took control of Nexperia from 

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its Chinese owner, Wing Tech 
Technology on the 30th of 

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September after the the Dutch 
arm claimed that the Chinese 

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unit had supplied the They were 
not supposed to be supplying 

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local customers in China with 
semiconductors, but they were. 

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They were doing that and more to
the point, the Dutch company. 

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The Dutch company was 
stipulating that distributors 

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would need to settled these 
deals in in dollars rather than 

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one and and they were being 
settled in yuan. 

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So anyway that this caused the 
Dutch government to step in and 

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take over the thing. 
And well, the question is, are 

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is China going to make an 
example out of out of the Dutch 

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government or the Dutch for 
this? 

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So with the Dutch are 
nationalising that. 

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They effectively took control of
it. 

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Yes, that's exactly what the 
Germans are planning to do with 

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Rosneft of affiliates in Germany
nationalising. 

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So it's taking these state 
assets of Russia and the private

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assets of Rastaf and 
nationalising under the German 

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aegis. 
So not only did they take 

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control of the company, they 
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the to the Chinese arm and and 
of course that just didn't fly. 

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So and and then finally on this,
of course, the question is that 

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all the companies that changed 
supply chains and pulled out of 

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China because of the previous or
the trade regime up until just 

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now, they're going to be losing 
money. 

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As a result, so when Trump had 
his quote liberation day, right,

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a lot of people were like 
getting ahead of the game and 

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thinking, well, we need to 
basically cut supply chains with

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these sort of hostile nations 
like China, right, and suit to 

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great expense, right? 
And all of a sudden. 

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It seems it seems to be back on 
again so. 

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It's back on again, so they lost
a lot of money. 

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Yeah. 
So, I mean, who knows how this 

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is going to turn out. 
The the problem is that no 

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sooner had that meeting, you 
could look at the meeting in 

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itself, in and of itself in a 
positive light. 

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But no sooner at that meeting 
happened. 

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And the next thing was Trump is 
saying, oh, well, China, China's

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rebuilding this nuclear 
building, a nuclear arsenal 

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here. 
We've got to start testing 

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nuclear weapons happens again. 
And Mark, I don't know what your

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thoughts are on that, but but 
Trump's, the independent was 

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00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,200
saying that Trump's comments on 
nuclear test testing up and 

458
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,520
decades of U.S. policy. 
What? 

459
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,560
What are your thoughts? 
Well, my initial thoughts and we

460
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,480
can show that independent 
headline as I'm talking, my 

461
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,000
initial thoughts are of course 
Trump's comments in and of 

462
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,120
themselves are not going to up 
and anything actually changing 

463
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,200
U.S. policy and at least 
planning or carrying out renewed

464
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,720
nuclear testing that would 
definitely upend decades of U.S.

465
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,160
policy. 
This subhead in that story says 

466
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,080
Trump has suggested the US will 
restart nuclear weapons testing,

467
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,880
a move again saying that they're
saying that it up ends decades 

468
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,960
of American policy. 
It reminds me of Ronald Reagan 

469
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,600
who also was a peace through 
strength guy and there was a lot

470
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,800
of Sabre rattling during his 
president presidency, but that's

471
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,280
typically all it amounts to is 
Sabre rattling. 

472
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,240
At any rate, 
theatomicarchive.com turned out 

473
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,360
to be a pretty objective source 
on this, and I have a chart here

474
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:01,120
that I found that puts things in
pretty good perspective. 

475
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:08,040
There's been a total of 2056 
nuclear tests since 1945, and 

476
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,040
the US has been responsible for 
about half of those. 

477
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:17,040
Or 1030 seven, 115 from Russia, 
the United Kingdom a mere 45. 

478
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:23,920
France 210. 
China also 45I3 and Pakistan 2 

479
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,040
and North Korea 6. 
And right around the early 90s, 

480
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,880
testing began to fall off a lot.
And by the time you got to the 

481
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,560
early 2000s, there's no record 
of any known nuclear tests. 

482
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,960
But atomicarchive.com also had 
this to say. 

483
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,600
Just for clarification, since 
the first nuclear test explosion

484
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,600
on 16 July 1945, of course that 
was the Trinity test by 

485
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,280
Oppenheimer, at least eight 
nations have detonated 2056 

486
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,960
nuclear test explosions at 
dozens of test sites, including 

487
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,600
Lapnor and China, the atolls of 
the Pacific. 

488
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,880
Lots of exposure to radiation, 
of course, in the Bikini Atoll, 

489
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,840
Nevada, Algeria, where French 
conducted its first nuclear 

490
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,840
device, A WA where the UK 
exploded nuclear weapons, and 

491
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,640
the southern Atlantic across 
Russia and elsewhere. 

492
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,640
And I remember during my nuke 
activist days, in my early 

493
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,240
journalist days, I was sort of a
nuke activist. 

494
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,560
And there was a book that came 
out then when the US was doing 

495
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,840
open air testing. 
And the book was called The Day 

496
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,000
We Bombed Utah. 
And it spoke of nuclear fallout 

497
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,080
coming down on cities and towns 
in Utah and spikes in cases of 

498
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,040
cancer. 
And so the open air testing that

499
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,120
the US did in the 50s was 
especially dangerous. 

500
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,920
And that's why they moved it 
underground. 

501
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,760
I think if memory serves, we 
have one more slide on this at 

502
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:56,800
any rate. 
And yes, no, I maybe we're done.

503
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,960
At any rate, I think that's 
sufficient. 

504
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,000
But that's kind of a picture of 
who's been doing the testing and

505
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,240
how many. 
And so it would be a very, you 

506
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,280
know, dramatic and sharp move to
go back to that after all that's

507
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,200
been done and after the relative
lack now of testing ever since 

508
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,200
the early 2000s. 
So back to you guys. 

509
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,920
Yeah, absolutely. 
And and I mean the other thing 

510
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,640
to talk about here Mark is, is 
sorry Patrick, I'll bring you in

511
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,480
at this point. 
The the removal of the 

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00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,360
withdrawal of various countries 
from non proliferation treaties.

513
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,400
I mean 2002 the United States 
left the the ABM, the. 

514
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,560
Ballistic. 
Missile Treaty. 

515
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,400
And that was sort of seen as a 
trigger that started 20 years of

516
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,920
erosion of nuclear arms control.
2018 Of course, Trump pulled out

517
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,440
of the JCP away. 
And although that didn't 

518
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,160
directly cause Russia to suspend
new starters CCTBT, it certainly

519
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,120
contributed to that. 
But also opened up the door with

520
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,880
aggression against Iran, which 
ended up with a war this past 

521
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,120
summer. 
Absolutely. 

522
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,480
And then of course, 2019 
Internet Intermediate Range 

523
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:14,360
Nuclear Forces Treaty that the 
US withdrew from 2023 as Russia 

524
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,720
removed themselves from the New 
START and from the Comprehensive

525
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,200
Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. 
And so, you know, this is this 

526
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,120
is a trend which has been 
developing for quite some time, 

527
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,480
but we're now starting to see us
getting pretty close to pretty 

528
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,920
dangerous territory if we're 
starting to test again. 

529
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,800
Yeah. 
And by the way, Russia removing 

530
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,520
itself from those agreements, 
we're basically mirroring the 

531
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,000
United States, basically not not
fulfilling their obligations. 

532
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,840
And Russia suspended its 
obligations, right. 

533
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,360
But it's obviously being spun in
the media a certain way. 

534
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,040
But yeah. 
And the other thing is, by the 

535
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,480
way, we were talking about 
testing. 

536
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,720
So this is how Israel got around
the issue of how does Israel 

537
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,480
with a secret nuclear arsenal, 
test its weapons? 

538
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,320
Well, the French did it for them
in Bikini Atoll in the South 

539
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,320
Pacific and in the Saharan 
Desert in Algeria. 

540
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,040
That explains why the French 
number that Mark just showed was

541
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,640
was quite as high as it was. 
Yeah, and we showed the data for

542
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,600
that. 
Freddie Ponton, journalist from 

543
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,960
France, did a great job of 
breaking a lot of that down on 

544
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,520
on reports that we did on 21st 
Century Wire. 

545
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,440
But isn't that amazing how 
Israel managed to sidestep that 

546
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,120
huge problem is how do you test 
a secret nuclear arsenal? 

547
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,200
Well, let's just let's just look
at this then, because the 

548
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,320
Telegraph a couple of days ago 
was reporting that Britain must 

549
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,560
look at sharing nuclear weapons 
with Germany to counter the 

550
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,320
critical threat posed by Russia,
of course. 

551
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,560
And this is according to British
defence chiefs. 

552
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,720
Now they're saying that that 
this includes, by the way, 

553
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,440
George Robertson, the former 
head of NATO, who was the man 

554
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,520
who's just written the defence 
review on behalf of the British,

555
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,480
the Starmer regime. 
So, so they're they're basically

556
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,960
saying that the UK needs to open
talks with Berlin over what 

557
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,160
they're describing as a fresh 
defence pact. 

558
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,520
Germany, they say, is already in
quote, strategic discussions 

559
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,400
with Paris over how the French 
could provide potential 

560
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,360
protection in in the form of its
own nuclear deterrent. 

561
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,840
Mertz apparently is very keen to
speak to Starmer about Britain 

562
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,400
getting involved in this as 
well. 

563
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,840
Now this is really important 
because of course we've been 

564
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,960
talking about the development of
the European defence capability 

565
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,200
for a long time now. 
But the core of this has been 

566
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,960
the Franco British axis until 
more recently when Germany 

567
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,240
started joining that. 
So, you know, from a from a 

568
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,280
defence pushing a defence 
narrative, Britain and France 

569
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,640
have been pushing that. 
The political union narrative, 

570
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,080
of course, in the EU has mainly 
been France and Germany. 

571
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,320
So it makes sense to get 
everybody together. 

572
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,600
In an axis. 
In an axis, an axis of evil, I 

573
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,360
would even go as far as to say, 
but but this, this France, 

574
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,080
Britain, Germany axis is also 
expresses itself in the form of 

575
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,600
the E3, which is this grouping 
that's now sort of driving 

576
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,400
defence and foreign policy 
within the EU. 

577
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,680
So. 
But Britain of course left the 

578
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,680
EU so. 
You know, well, no, it's 

579
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,240
extraordinary. 
Well, not quite. 

580
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,320
But you know what's 
extraordinary about this is 

581
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,840
Frederick Mertz. 
Not very popular in Germany? 

582
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,720
Not very popular. 
It's debatable whether he will 

583
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,600
survive the next round of 
elections for his party of the 

584
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,880
Coalition, Macron. 
To say he's unpopular is a 

585
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,920
massive understatement, right? 
And then there's Keir Starmer. 

586
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,680
So you have 3 unpopular, hugely 
unpopular leaders that are 

587
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,120
ruling or governing by threads 
and they're doing this major 

588
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,240
paradigm shift in the European 
security architecture that is 

589
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,800
basically nuclear proliferation.
Yeah. 

590
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,920
But we've always got to remember
that this is not their policy. 

591
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,440
They're they're merely enacting 
it. 

592
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,480
This is this is a deep state 
policy that's been in operation 

593
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,200
for This is just the culmination
of something that's been running

594
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,960
for a long time. 
Sure it is, but still they're 

595
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,200
the ones who are going to 
basically put it in motion or 

596
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,840
sign for it on behalf of the 
electorate. 

597
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,480
Yeah, but we don't have any say 
no in any of that. 

598
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,120
And, and you know, for the, the 
US, this is not good news. 

599
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,159
If you don't want another 
nuclear variable in Europe, 

600
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,920
it's, it's enough. 
But in the Cold War, Mike, there

601
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,800
was a balance in the bipolar 
distribution. 

602
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,040
There was a balance between the 
United States and the Soviet 

603
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,040
Union. 
It they sort of cancelled each 

604
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,480
other out in the old doctrine. 
But you add a third actor. 

605
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,960
Do you trust some of these 
European actors that they'll be 

606
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,960
rational? 
I don't trust some of the 

607
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,639
British actors that they'll be 
rational. 

608
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,199
They're insane. 
I don't necessarily trust the US

609
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:39,159
under the current 
administration, but I do I trust

610
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,320
the USA lot more because they 
have a a long pedigree, as do 

611
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,120
the Russians in having this kind
of long standing count 

612
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,280
cancelling each other out 
bipolar arrangement. 

613
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,679
But Europe has a a great 
tradition in starting massive 

614
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:57,800
wars and basically trying to 
wipe each other out. 

615
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,920
This has happened a number of 
times in the last 150 years. 

616
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,680
So I mean, I'm just saying I'm a
little sceptical. 

617
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,080
Absolutely. 
Now, sticking with defence, just

618
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:11,840
briefly, what's going on with 
the media and and the Department

619
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,720
of War in the United States? 
This this is from last week. 

620
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,360
OK, And this should really shock
people. 

621
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,880
Journalists turn in their access
badges and after a row with the 

622
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,080
Pentagon over new reporting 
rules, basically Pete Hagseth 

623
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,400
again, a Fox News weekend host 
that Trump gave or Israel told 

624
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,120
Trump to hire him as defence 
secretary. 

625
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,680
He's basically saying that all 
the media outlets have to run 

626
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,680
their reporting through his 
office for approval. 

627
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,640
So any reporting on the DoD, 
which is now called the 

628
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:48,520
Department of War, OK, has to 
run through the Pentagon's Sorry

629
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,480
to. 
Say this again, but this is real

630
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,280
Nazi Germany stuff. 
Yeah. 

631
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,520
I mean, if China does this, 
they'll say, oh, there's no 

632
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,240
transparency, It's not 
democratic. 

633
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,200
If Russia does it, they'd say 
the same thing. 

634
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,480
But in America, I mean, 
seriously, this is like going 

635
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,080
against the 1st Amendment. 
So again, this is a pattern of 

636
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,360
the Trump administration 
undermining the US Constitution,

637
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,280
freedom of the press. 
And so let's take a closer look 

638
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,240
at that. 
Let's bring this up. 

639
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:16,920
So this is the response. 
So the war departments have 

640
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,880
replaced AP and obviously 
there's there's this is this is 

641
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,200
going into the courts, by the 
way. 

642
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,320
So this could change. 
But as of last week, the new 

643
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,680
media outlets for the Department
of War were Lindell TV. 

644
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,000
That's Mike Lindell. 
He sells pillows and slippers on

645
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,480
cable. 
The Gateway Pundit, not really 

646
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,000
the best website in terms of 
hard news and defence and 

647
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,600
geopolitics. 
The Post Millennial, they 

648
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,560
specialise in anti woke articles
and going after trans and LGBT 

649
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,680
in Portland. 
That's their mainstay. 

650
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,960
What do they know about 
geopolitics and defence policy? 

651
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,560
Not much. 
Human Events. 

652
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,120
That's Jack Posobiak, that's 
MAGA. 

653
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,800
It's basically a MAGA website. 
And then the National Pulse, 

654
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:06,840
that's Raheem Kasim I think and 
again, very MAGA. 

655
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,920
OK, so I mean, are, are they 
going to be critical with 

656
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,120
anything the US is doing and 
starting wars around the world? 

657
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,840
Any of these MAGA outlets, 
websites, basically these are 

658
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,400
websites. 
So listen, the mainstream media,

659
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,080
for all its faults, they do have
people on staff who do this for 

660
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,840
a living their whole career. 
And if if if they are going to 

661
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,720
call out the US government or 
the president or something like 

662
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,360
that, or at least get 
accountability, there's a higher

663
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,000
chance they'll be able to do it 
than the Gateway Pundit. 

664
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,960
So I'm just saying this is a 
really shocking development. 

665
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,200
And I think people should. 
But there was more. 

666
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,920
Oh, there's more. 
Sorry, there's one more. 

667
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,280
Let me see. 
There's another. 

668
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,200
Yeah. 
The list also includes Turning 

669
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,520
Point USA is media brand front 
lines. 

670
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,680
I never heard of that. 
Don't know what it is. 

671
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,760
Influencer Tim Pools, Tim Cast. 
That's a YouTube channel and the

672
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,720
sub stack based newsletter 
called the Washington Reporter. 

673
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,160
These are guests are paragons of
journalism. 

674
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,440
What can we say? 
Maybe, maybe we should apply for

675
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,760
for a pass. 
I'm probably not going to get 

676
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,560
it. 
They don't like anybody who's 

677
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,200
critical of Trump, doesn't like 
any media outlets critical of 

678
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,600
him and will deny them access. 
So this is like what's going on?

679
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,240
So pretty incredible. 
OK, OK, then let's keep an eye 

680
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:27,080
on that. 
OK, If you like what the UK 

681
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,680
column does, you'd like to 
support us, please have a look 

682
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,000
at the website. 
There are options to help us out

683
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,040
if you have a look at that 
section on on screen at the 

684
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,400
moment. 
If you can't support us 

685
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financially then please do share
material that you see on the 

686
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,640
website and help us beat the 
censorship regime in the UK and 

687
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,880
elsewhere. 
Now tonight at 7:00 PM, Charles 

688
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,760
and I, as usual, are speaking to
Jerem for the Weekly Banter. 

689
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,680
Join us for that. 
And then at 9, Carl Zhao is 

690
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,800
speaking to Doctor Warwick Paul 
on the unravelling of Trump's 

691
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,200
trade war. 
And this is focusing on the 

692
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,960
Trump she visit. 
So have a look at that. 

693
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,720
At 9:00 PM tonight, a reminder 
of the interview between me and 

694
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,280
Jose Biomorgi, the Venezuelan 
ambassador to Lebanon and Syria 

695
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,880
yesterday that went out 
yesterday. 

696
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,880
It's now on the website on 
Demand if you want to have a 

697
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,840
look at that. 
It covers a lot of some of the 

698
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,560
topics that we spoke about in 
the Venezuelan segment today, 

699
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,200
but we're hearing it from from 
the horses mouth as it were. 

700
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,720
And certainly he absolutely is 
putting quite a lot of the 

701
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,320
responsibility for what's going 
on at Marco Rubio's door. 

702
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,880
And well, we can talk about that
a bit more in extra. 

703
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:45,440
Now, I want to highlight an 
article which is going to cause 

704
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,200
people, some people, some 
difficulty, but I'm just going 

705
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,600
to say it's worth reading. 
It is fantastic. 

706
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,640
Islam is not the enemy of 
Christianity. 

707
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,160
This is an Arab Christian 
perspective. 

708
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,200
This is from someone in the 
Middle East who is an Arab 

709
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:05,240
Christian and just wanted to put
her perspective. 

710
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,800
On the relationship between 
Islam and Christianity, or at 

711
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,640
least how it should be. 
And but as I say, it might cause

712
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,920
some cognitive dissonance in in 
some people. 

713
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,000
And if it does well, I've just 
urge you to to consider what's 

714
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,040
being said. 
Just take a step back and 

715
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,000
consider it because it's worth 
consideration. 

716
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Yeah, sometimes a shock to some 
people in the West to know that 

717
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,560
there are actual Christians 
living in Palestine peacefully 

718
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,200
with Muslims and in Lebanon and 
Syria as well. 

719
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,120
Maybe not with the current 
Syrian regime, which is AUS 

720
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,040
backed terrorist leader, but 
before that under the Assad 

721
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,960
government, all denominations 
living in harmony with each 

722
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,640
other mostly anyway in Iraq as 
well. 

723
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,040
It's the same in Iraq. 
So I know that comes as a shock.

724
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,120
Yes, Christians in the Holy 
Land, Arab Christians, but it's 

725
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,080
true. 
We, we testified. 

726
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,960
This is a fact. 
They've been there for thousands

727
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:02,240
of years or no, we're not 
Christians. 

728
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,480
Well, 2000. 
Yes. 

729
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,720
So, but anyway, now the 1000 
Words podcast that went out last

730
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,240
week, the second part of that is
going out on Sunday at 7:00 PM 

731
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,600
is James Delingpole is being 
painted by Jake Fern. 

732
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,640
And of course they're having 
discussions on on, I think this 

733
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,880
week they're focusing on the 
things that brought James 

734
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,440
Dillingpole from where he was to
where he is today. 

735
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:35,560
So this is a bit more about his 
how he has his opinions have 

736
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,920
evolved since he was. 
His demising conversion from 

737
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,720
from the Telegraph to where he 
is now, it's probably 

738
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:43,320
fascinating. 
Absolutely. 

739
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,080
Now that's for members only, so,
but do join us for that. 7:00 PM

740
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,400
on Sunday. 
And finally, a reminder of 

741
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:58,040
tomorrow, the digital ID 
protests in Edinburgh. 1:00 PM 

742
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,240
The Mound Princess St in 
Edinburgh. 

743
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:04,080
If you can possibly get along 
for that, please do go and 

744
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,760
support those guys because this 
is a topic which of course, is 

745
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,960
very close to many, many 
people's hearts. 

746
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,840
So as much support as possible 
would be fantastic. 

747
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:19,360
Now, Patrick, let's move on then
to the issue of Russian oil 

748
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,880
exports and sanctions and so on.
Well, it's an interesting topic.

749
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,080
We were going to have a a guest 
international lawyer, Arnold 

750
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,520
Devolo, join us. 
There were connection issues, 

751
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,120
big tech issues between the East
and the West right now because 

752
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,200
of sanctions. 
So we'll we'll. 

753
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,720
Find a work around for that and 
we'll we'll speak to him again. 

754
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,800
We'll bring him on in future, 
but but but nonetheless, let's 

755
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,680
bring this up. 
So this is the big question. 

756
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,320
Will Trump sanctions against 
Russia make a dent in in their 

757
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,080
oil exports? 
You know, basically how how 

758
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:54,240
serious is this? 
And just to there they are now, 

759
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:58,960
I guess all the goodwill from 
Anchorage is expended and now 

760
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,600
we're at with economic new 
levels of economic war. 

761
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,000
So what what Trump's trying to 
do here, Mike, is extract some 

762
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,160
kind of concessions from Russia 
in terms of getting them to 

763
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,560
agree to freeze the conflict in 
Ukraine as an example. 

764
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,240
So this does have a lot to do 
with what's happening on the 

765
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,040
battlefield in Ukraine right 
now. 

766
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,440
The question is how serious is 
they've sanctioned Russia to 

767
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,720
high heaven since 2014. 
In fact, after the Russia after 

768
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:30,920
Crimea reunited with the Russian
Federation or an A Russia 

769
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,920
annexed it, depending on which 
perspective you take. 

770
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,800
And then after the Ukraine 
conflict kicked off in February 

771
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,760
2022, another another level of 
sanctioning. 

772
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,160
So what could, what could the 
West possibly do to Russia that 

773
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,680
would really hurt it if Russia 
has weathered the storm and and 

774
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:53,320
is out competing Europe in terms
of GDP growth and economic 

775
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,720
performance? 
Well is but is this really a 

776
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:57,280
checkmate? 
Well, let's take a look. 

777
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,840
And just to to review, this is 
something we mentioned earlier 

778
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,320
here. 
We're talking about these two 

779
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,440
major producers, Rosneff and 
Luke Oil, which comprise of 5% 

780
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,680
of the global oil trade, which 
is significant. 

781
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:13,560
This might not sound like a lot 
5%, but it is a 20th of the 

782
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,880
global oil trade. 
So it is a lot, but China is 

783
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,000
halting oil purchases from these
companies. 

784
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,320
That's massive. 
Before China was basically still

785
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,400
training and basically 
sidestepped any threats. 

786
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:34,040
And India, same. 
So these are three main founding

787
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,920
BRICS countries, Russia, China 
and India. 

788
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,840
So has Trump done a major move 
here, a checkmate, if you will, 

789
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,960
against bricks and against 
Russia? 

790
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,520
Well, Mike, the the consensus is
this is going to hurt Russia in 

791
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,360
the short term for sure. 
And what's interesting is in 

792
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,760
November, I think the end of 
November is, is the deadline 

793
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,480
where Luke Oil, which has 
facilities all over the world. 

794
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,000
And these can be now seized 
under kind of, you know, eminent

795
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,840
domain under these sanctions. 
So they're now trying to sell 

796
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,560
all of their facilities and 
properties in the next three 

797
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,040
weeks and they're going for 
nothing basically. 

798
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,920
So that's what that's what those
are the reports that we've got 

799
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,880
out of Russia. 
So they're basically if it 

800
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,280
whatever is not basically 
liquidated, but by I think 

801
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,040
November 17th right around 
there, then it's basically they 

802
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,960
they can lose them. 
What does international law say 

803
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,360
about this? 
Is this, is this legitimate what

804
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,440
the United States doing? 
Absolutely. 

805
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,120
It's not by this should go into 
some kind of a forum like, you 

806
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,560
know, the UN General Assembly or
the Security Council or some 

807
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,360
kind of arbitration. 
So it's completely against 

808
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,520
international law. 
And the and especially at a time

809
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,320
when the US doesn't want to come
to any political settlement over

810
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,560
Ukraine, they want to settle it 
on the battlefield. 

811
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,040
The Europeans want to settle on 
the battlefield and then they're

812
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,560
waging economic warfare against 
against Russia and then 

813
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,040
sanctioning anyone who's buying 
Russian oil. 

814
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,960
So that's also secondary. 
Sanctions are absolutely in 

815
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,560
violation of international law. 
So Hungary wants a waiver there 

816
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,840
will probably get a waiver. 
Same with Slovakia and a number 

817
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,800
of other countries. 
Germany's got a waiver for 

818
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,720
Rosneft and Germany. 
They still rely on Russia and 

819
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,560
Germany's, as we said, they're 
going to seize, possibly sees 

820
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:27,160
and nationalise those Russian 
Rosneft refineries and so forth 

821
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,680
in Germany because that's the 
only way around it is to steal 

822
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,560
it and nationalise it. 
So this is kind of crazy what's 

823
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:35,320
going on here. 
I. 

824
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,040
Mean should Russia not view that
as an act of war? 

825
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,000
It it is wars have been started 
over over this in the past. 

826
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,720
In fact, this is arguably one of
the reasons why Japan attacked 

827
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:50,120
Pearl Harbour in 1941 was they 
were being strangled and shut 

828
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,160
off from the global markets by 
the Americans and the British. 

829
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,440
So they, they, they, it was 
really kind of a pre emptive 

830
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,080
move to hit the US bases in, in 
Hawaii and Pearl Harbour. 

831
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,320
There's more to it than that. 
But so the, the questions that 

832
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,480
this raises, Mike, is OPEC, 
how's OPEC going to respond? 

833
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,720
Is OPEC going to increase 
production to keep the price of 

834
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,440
oil down? 
Because what the US don't want 

835
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,960
is a spike in oil prices because
that's going to create problems 

836
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,880
economically for Trump and for 
the West, but also it's going to

837
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,400
benefit Russia because according
to Russian experts, just a 

838
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,800
slight increase in price will 
make up for the lost trade. 

839
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,520
You see. 
So I mean that that those are 

840
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,440
the sort of variables that we're
dealing with here. 

841
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,320
And so it is interesting. 
And you know what else is 

842
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:44,080
interesting is the Rosa Tom is 
the nuclear yeah, provider for 

843
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,720
Russia. 
They're exempt from all 

844
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:48,120
sanctions globally. 
They've got a they've got a 

845
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,760
white waiver for every every 
everyone relies on them around 

846
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,600
the world. 
They do a full end to end 

847
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,080
solution from uranium to clean 
up to facilities to build the 

848
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,160
facilities, maintain the 
facilities to fantastic company,

849
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,520
which is mostly, I believe state
owned. 

850
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,840
They have a complete waiver and 
Japan is basically ignoring any 

851
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,480
threats of sanctions. 
They buy a lot of LNG from 

852
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,000
Russia. 
The Sakhalin site is a joint 

853
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,160
venture between the Japanese and
the Russian government And Japan

854
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,360
saying no, we're we're we're 
keeping our relationship with 

855
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,320
Russia. 
They don't buy a lot of oil from

856
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,440
Russia and Japan. 
They get it from other places. 

857
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,000
They only get a small percentage
from Russia. 

858
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,560
So Japan is basically not 
affected by this at all and is 

859
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,600
pushing back against any 
pressure not to buy Russian 

860
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,520
liquefied natural gas. 
So that's interesting. 

861
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,880
So Asia is, it'll be interesting
to see what direction this goes,

862
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,000
how China and Russia will adapt 
on this and we might see some 

863
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,640
changes in the structure of the 
Russian. 

864
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,760
These companies could become 
nationalised in Russia itself 

865
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,040
and it becomes much more 
difficult to sanction if these 

866
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,400
are state owned companies. 
So last question Patrick, 

867
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:02,160
because on this bearing in mind 
that the so called Glo Global S 

868
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,760
is the global majority, why, why
isn't there much more of a sort 

869
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,800
of an international outcry about
this? 

870
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,680
I, I don't know per per SE, no, 
I think there's just so many 

871
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,280
terror. 
There's tariff wars and 

872
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,840
sanctions. the US is basically 
using tariffs as sanctions to 

873
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,440
punish people for not behaving 
the way they want or not 

874
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,320
submitting to whatever the, the 
weekly DIC tats are, which are 

875
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,600
constantly changing from the 
Trump administration. 

876
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,680
So there's a lot of chaos, I 
think, and there's a lot of 

877
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,080
noise and hysteria going on 
right now. 

878
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,960
So trying to get a consolidated 
response to what the US is doing

879
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,680
here is going to be difficult, 
OK? 

880
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,560
Everyone's just trying to 
survive in this economy. 

881
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,360
So I mean, there's a lot of 
problems with that. 

882
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,760
So I think personally, in the 
long term, I think in the short 

883
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,960
term, the, the sanctions against
Russia, these particular ones 

884
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,680
are going to hurt Russia in the 
short term. 

885
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,960
And you're going to see probably
Q 4/20/26 that that that's when 

886
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,240
you'll start, start to see on 
the balance sheet what sort of 

887
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:06,360
effect this has. 
But I've been speaking to 

888
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,040
experts in Russia, Mike, on this
and they said that this Ukraine 

889
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,480
war is going to be done by Q4 of
2026. 

890
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,520
When I say done, we, we're 
talking about Odessa, Kharkiv, 

891
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,840
Dinapia, Petrosk, and these sort
of key regions that they're 

892
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,760
fighting over right now, which 
geopolitically change the whole,

893
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,200
you know, viewpoint of this 
conflict. 

894
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,520
For NATO, that means basically 
they're done. 

895
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,560
NATO's southern flank is 
finished. 

896
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,200
If if that's the case, they're 
really pushing Russia's hand. 

897
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,840
Because if, if this is going to 
create pain in Russia, Mike, and

898
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,960
that's going to create political
pressure for Putin and this 

899
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,600
government, then it they're 
incentivizing Russia to move 

900
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,080
quicker and harder in Ukraine. 
And so what's that? 

901
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,040
Is that going to elicit an 
aggressive response from Europe?

902
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,120
Is this how we're going to get 
war? 

903
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,520
That's a legitimate question as 
well, yeah. 

904
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,800
Absolutely. 
OK, let's come back to the UK 

905
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,880
then. 
And online safety, because 

906
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,640
Sunday was the Online Safety 
Act's second birthday. 

907
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,680
We should all have been 
celebrating. 

908
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,760
I hope everyone was celebrating.
We appreciate my sarcasm there. 

909
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,960
But anyway, Ofcoms Group 
director for Online Safety 

910
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,800
Oliver Griffith said that real 
change is happening. 

911
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,960
We've laid the foundations for a
safer life online. 

912
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,440
Do you feel safer online, 
Patrick? 

913
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,040
Yeah, OK, he said. 
He said tech platforms now have 

914
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,800
clear legal duties to protect 
people, especially children, 

915
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,120
from legal and harmful, from 
illegal and harmful content. 

916
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,960
Now, this is important because 
the concept of legal but harmful

917
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,200
content never really went away. 
So we have to look a bit behind 

918
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,800
what he was saying there. 
Anyway, Ofcom announced that 

919
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,520
they're going to publish a 
report detailing their progress 

920
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,160
to creating a censorship 
industrial. 

921
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,880
Sorry, I've completely forgotten
the word that's going to be 

922
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,800
published in December. 
Anyway, here's Ofcom's head DM, 

923
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,840
Melanie Doss, because she's 
written to the chairs of the 

924
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,040
Communications and Digital 
Select Committee and also the 

925
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,560
Science, Innovation and 
Technology Committee to claim 

926
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,360
all kinds of success so far. 
She said the most visible and 

927
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,120
significant change so far has 
been the introduction of age 

928
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,840
cheques across online 
pornography sites. 

929
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,760
Another sites hosting primary 
priority content as defined in 

930
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,920
the ACT to prevent under 
eighteens from being able to 

931
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,480
access this content. 
So I mean, this is, this is 

932
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,800
absolutely her position. 
But of course this business of 

933
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,520
under eighteens being able to 
access content, well that might 

934
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,760
be the case, but it does nothing
to prevent those over 18 from 

935
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,440
posing as under eighteens on 
sites that target children. 

936
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,520
So it should come as no surprise
then that the first imprisonment

937
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,600
under the Online Safety Act is 
of an adult who abused a 17 year

938
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,720
old and caused her to self harm.
This is presented as a huge 

939
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,400
success for the Online Safety 
Act, but in fact it's another 

940
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,000
failure. 
The ACT did and does nothing to 

941
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,000
prevent this type of abuse and 
the crimes committed by this 

942
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:18,480
person were already illegal. 
So this this prosecution could 

943
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,400
have been on the basis of 
already existing legislation. 

944
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,480
Child abuse and causing self 
harm were not legal before the 

945
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,480
Online Safety Act. 
So the claim that this is some 

946
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,880
kind of success is complete and 
utter nonsense. 

947
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,840
But anyway, in the meantime, the
war of words between Wikipedia 

948
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,000
and the UK regime continues 
because Wikipedia is also 

949
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,720
subject to the age verification 
requirements that the 

950
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:44,440
pornography sites are. 
And this is upsetting Jimmy 

951
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,280
Wales because the best Deep 
state editors of the planet's 

952
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,680
greatest propaganda machine wish
to remain anonymous. 

953
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,040
And Jimmy wants them to remain 
anonymous. 

954
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,880
He wants them to be able to 
remain anonymous. 

955
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,480
But Starmer's saying no to that.
And so that fight is continuing.

956
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:04,200
Well, so intelligence agencies 
are battling the government 

957
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,280
absolutely on this. 
On this yes, professional 

958
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,080
trolls. 
In the EU then, LinkedIn has 

959
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,960
been ramping up its censorship 
regime and the European 

960
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,120
Commission has been forced to 
deny that it had anything to do 

961
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,920
with so that the censorship had 
anything to do with the Digital 

962
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,800
Services Act, which is the EU's 
equivalent to the Online Safety 

963
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,160
Act. 
That's a pretty lame excuse 

964
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,640
because of course LinkedIn and 
all the platforms are responding

965
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,440
to the legislative framework 
they find themselves in, 

966
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,840
primarily because LinkedIn 
doesn't really have any skin in 

967
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,640
the game as far as advertising 
is concerned. 

968
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,440
So they're not worried about 
content that that may put 

969
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,800
advertisers off as such. 
So this is mainly about the the 

970
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,440
the Digital Services Act and the
Online Safety Act, but I just 

971
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,760
wanted to to end this topic with
this article. 

972
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,160
This was rubbished originally 
published a couple of months ago

973
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,680
on the conversation website, but
the Cobb Courier here. 

974
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,760
The Cobb Courier is a local 
website in the United States has

975
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,240
just republished this and the 
headline is Self Censorship and 

976
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,920
the Spiral of Silence. 
Why Americans are less likely to

977
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,400
publicly voice their opinions on
political issues. 

978
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,200
And it talks about people self 
censoring because people are 

979
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,080
being driven to extreme 
positions as a result of current

980
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,640
events and and people are 
therefore afraid to speak out 

981
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,680
because of the abuse they 
received from people on the 

982
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,200
other end of the political 
spectrum. 

983
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,520
And so what's being described 
here is that the polarisation of

984
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,400
opinion is in and of itself a 
mechanism of censorship. 

985
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,320
You know, because the divide and
conquer policy, in other words, 

986
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,320
is a gift that keeps on giving. 
If people want to, you know, I'm

987
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,640
going to suggest here that if 
people want to resist policies 

988
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,480
they disagree with, maybe we 
should be engaging people that 

989
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,800
we, you know, the people that we
disagree with in a way which 

990
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,800
sort of enables conversations 
rather than rather than, well, 

991
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,560
what is sort of digital 
bloodshed as we see on on X and 

992
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,400
other platforms at the moment. 
But I think I thought that was a

993
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,000
pretty insightful article, 
because there is no question 

994
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,680
that is people's opinions move 
to the extremes. 

995
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,680
It gets harder for them to 
express them without ending it, 

996
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,520
ending up in just a massive war.
Yeah, in my experience 

997
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:22,640
personally engaging with other 
Americans on on just my germane 

998
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,840
political conversations is 
there's a huge gap between what 

999
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,640
people know or think they know 
and what's actually true. 

1000
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,640
And some for some people, you 
can't get over the conversation 

1001
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,560
that they don't. 
They believe Michelle Obama is a

1002
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,520
man basically. 
And and and they're just stuck 

1003
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,600
on that. 
They believe all sorts of 

1004
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,800
things. 
But so you can't really have an 

1005
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,880
intelligent political 
conversation that's, you know, 

1006
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,920
of course, that's just my 
opinion that Michelle Obama is a

1007
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,960
biological female. 
But people have been 

1008
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,960
radicalised. 
I couldn't possibly comment. 

1009
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,720
They've been radicalised on this
stuff, so you it is kind of 

1010
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:00,400
frustrating. 
And because of that it's 

1011
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,280
affected. 
Both sides will not talk to each

1012
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,720
other basically. 
So if you're intelligent, you 

1013
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:07,640
want to have a intellectual 
conversation somewhere in the 

1014
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,080
middle. 
You're not welcome. 

1015
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:10,560
You're not. 
Welcome. 

1016
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,200
That's the case. 
And so conversations aren't 

1017
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,920
happening. 
But in the meantime, Speaking of

1018
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:19,240
conversations, at least an 
attempt to stop conversations 

1019
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,480
happening, what's the latest on 
the doctors that are being 

1020
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,880
censored? 
What's Auk story here? 

1021
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,800
And we'll bring this image up on
screen. 

1022
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,560
So this is this is UK Israeli 
censorship. 

1023
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:36,240
Let's just call it what it is. 
This is here Doctor Ramey Ladwan

1024
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,760
and she they're attempting to 
revoke her licence to practise 

1025
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:45,080
medicine get her struck from the
the General Medical Council on 

1026
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,040
this year and the the coverage 
on this is just unbelievable. 

1027
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,400
So we go to the to the right. 
This is the Telegraph NH Doctor 

1028
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,200
Who celebrated Hamas October 7th
attack knows how they put that 

1029
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,600
in single quotes. 
Is is arrested and they put it 

1030
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,360
in single quotes. 
So this is an accusation 

1031
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:07,440
probably from, I don't know, an 
Israeli lobby or a Jewish lobby 

1032
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,520
organisation. 
They put it in single quotes. 

1033
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,960
It's highly libellous and 
defamatory. 

1034
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,000
Cause clearly she wasn't 
celebrating October 7th. 

1035
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,160
But the Telegraph are playing 
bit cute with that one by 

1036
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,880
putting in single quotes. 
And now on the left world 

1037
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,760
socialist website defending her 
UK government backed persecution

1038
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,680
of anti genocide medic Dr Rahme,
a large 1 continues. 

1039
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,040
You see the difference between 
the media coverage, but the the 

1040
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,800
the entire mainstream in Britain
is railing against her. 

1041
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,640
So you know, if you if you're if
you're into the underdog and you

1042
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,040
don't trust the establishment, 
then maybe you should consider 

1043
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,840
what side you're taking on this.
But here's here's what's 

1044
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:49,440
happened to her since she has 
been released. 

1045
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,720
She says this is on her ex 
account. 

1046
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,920
A few days ago I'm effectively 
on a form of house arrest, my 

1047
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,440
bail conditions for lawful 
speech, a July talk she gave and

1048
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,440
three posts on X. 
She's banned from any public 

1049
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,920
demonstration or event in London
relating to Palestine or Israel.

1050
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,960
Curfew to live and sleep at a 
specific address. 

1051
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,320
Must notify a detective if she 
is to leave home for more than 

1052
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,880
48 hours. 
Yesterday, the chair of the 

1053
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,720
tribunal cut her off from 
reading, fought one sentence. 

1054
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:28,160
The GMC had also specifically 
requested that I am not to 

1055
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,880
speak, says Doctor Aladwan. 
This is what the political 

1056
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,320
persecution of a doctor looks 
like in Britain today. 

1057
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,920
Pretty, pretty amazing House 
arrest for tweets. 

1058
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,920
So all all the people on the 
right that were railing and Elon

1059
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,680
Musk and JD Vance about people 
being, you know, arrested or 

1060
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,680
door knocked by the police for 
tweets. 

1061
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,440
None of those people on the so 
called conservatives are coming 

1062
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,160
to her rescue because they don't
like the fact that she is 

1063
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,560
defending Palestinians. 
So is and she herself is from 

1064
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,480
the Levant, if I'm not mistaken.
So yeah, she's I believe 

1065
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,800
Jordanian, of Jordanian 
Palestinian descent. 

1066
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,840
So she's talking about her 
people effectively, but yet this

1067
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,800
is criminalised speech. 
So we're all the free speech 

1068
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,440
warriors on the right. 
Are you going to defend her on 

1069
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,960
principle or not because 
Israel's involved in the issue? 

1070
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,000
No, is apparently the case. 
Yeah, indeed. 

1071
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:31,200
Mark, let's come back to you 
then to end and just bring us a 

1072
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,000
little bit more on what the 
White House has been saying 

1073
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,720
about Gaza. 
Well, this just then, you might 

1074
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,440
say, Mike, you had asked me to 
look this up and everything I 

1075
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:47,200
looked up was about a week, week
and a half old regarding White 

1076
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,960
House negotiators Jared Kushner 
and Steve Witkoff. 

1077
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,040
This is from Politico. 20 
October. 

1078
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,400
Those two guys returned to the 
Middle East and met with Prime 

1079
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,040
Minister Netanyahu and Israel 
after a weekend where the 

1080
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,760
ceasefire at that time looked 
increasingly in danger as Israel

1081
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,960
launched a wave of strikes on 
targets in Gaza around October 

1082
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,720
19, which Palestinian 
authorities said killed dozens 

1083
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,520
of people, including children, 
after two Israeli troops, I 

1084
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,720
would say, allegedly were killed
by militants. 

1085
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,840
Hamas said it was not 
responsible for the attack on 

1086
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,520
those soldiers. 
So there's, of course, a lot of 

1087
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,480
concern about wanting to make 
Gaza a real estate Mecca in the 

1088
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,760
wake of all this tragedy. 
And these negotiators are, you 

1089
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,560
know, working around a ceasefire
that really never was. 

1090
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,680
And it truly is a, a 
disheartening and tragic thing 

1091
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:42,480
to see with Israel getting away 
with so many crimes, Internet 

1092
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,400
breaking, breaking international
law, and as we mentioned 

1093
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:51,720
earlier, escaping the the 
overall chronicling and 

1094
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,600
archiving of data on nuclear 
weapons tests when they have a 

1095
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,960
nuclear arsenal they've had for 
a long time. 

1096
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,080
And yet it's been kept 
unofficial. 

1097
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:05,040
And that that really adds insult
to injury after as to what 

1098
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,360
Israel's been doing in Gaza. 
So I didn't have a lot of time 

1099
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,480
to look into this in detail, but
I think that puts a good ending 

1100
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,360
on today's show, kind of sums 
things up. 

1101
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,440
Well, of course, Witkoff and so 
on, they were seen on camera 

1102
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,520
recently causing each other, 
Kushner and Witkoff causing each

1103
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:25,760
other a little bit of 
embarrassment. 

1104
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,000
What? 
What was going on there? 

1105
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,120
We'll go to that in a second. 
They had the interview of 60 

1106
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,040
Minutes and Leslie Stahl, really
embarrassing, actually. 

1107
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:33,120
We'll show that clip in a 
minute. 

1108
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,120
But Israel's basically 
pioneering a new concept here, 

1109
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,480
Mike. 
It's a temporarily permanent 

1110
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,240
ceasefire. 
The temporarily permanent 

1111
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,520
ceasefire. 
And I might add, under 

1112
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:48,360
international law, Israeli 
soldiers I, the IDF or IOF, 

1113
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,480
depending on which acronym you 
use, they have no rights under 

1114
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,960
international law in as illegal 
occupiers in Gaza. 

1115
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,960
Just saying the fact that that 
their safety is somehow a part 

1116
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:04,000
of any negotiation or or 
ceasefire agreement is patently 

1117
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,000
ridiculous. 
But unfortunately, you're 

1118
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,840
dealing with a perennial 
violator of multiple UN 

1119
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,600
resolutions over the last 80 
years. 

1120
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,640
But so, so this is clip. 
Watch this clip and watch the 

1121
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:20,800
reaction from Jared Kushner when
the 60 Minutes host asks Steve 

1122
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,080
Witkoff and Steve Witkoff seems 
to give away play the entire 

1123
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:30,600
game on this and just Kushner is
panicking, visibly dishevelled. 

1124
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,920
Watch this. 
You're builders, you've been in 

1125
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,160
real estate. 
Tell us more about the plan and 

1126
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,400
how much it's going to cost. 
Where's the money going to come 

1127
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,960
from and who's going to award 
the contracts? 

1128
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,920
I think it's going to cost a lot
of money. 

1129
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,240
What's a lot of money? 
You know, the estimates are in 

1130
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,760
the $50 billion range. 
It might be a little bit less, 

1131
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,480
it might be a little bit more. 
I happen to think that that's 

1132
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,600
not a lot of money in that 
region. 

1133
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,680
You have governments that are 
going to jump on in. 

1134
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,000
Middle East countries are going 
to provide the money. 

1135
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:04,680
Yeah. 
What? 

1136
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,560
You'll see European 
participation and so forth. 

1137
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,120
The beginning of this plan is 
how to get it going. 

1138
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,200
That's what me and what me and 
Jared work on all the time. 

1139
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,120
The money raising, we think is 
the easy part, but it's the 

1140
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,480
master plan and we're working 
with a group of people who have 

1141
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,880
been working on master plans for
the last two years. 

1142
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,720
So there are plans already. 
We have plans already. 

1143
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,480
We have a master plan already. 
And by the way, and Jared's been

1144
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,280
pushing this and we're working 
together on it, and I think if 

1145
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,520
the world saw the progress so 
far, they'd be pretty impressed.

1146
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,280
Well, it's always good to end 
the programme on the comedy 

1147
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,160
moment, Patrick. 
But that, you know, in a sense 

1148
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,560
it's a comedy moment because 
clearly Kushner was extremely 

1149
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,640
embarrassed by that. 
But but you know, what we're 

1150
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,840
actually looking at, we should 
always keep in mind is 

1151
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,040
thousands, 100, you know, 10s of
thousands, hundreds of thousands

1152
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,880
of people, basically a 
population decimated to make 

1153
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,360
room for this master plan. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1154
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,440
And, and he's been working on it
for Jared's been working on for 

1155
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,720
two years since October 7th. 
And Steve Witkoff gave it away. 

1156
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,160
The delboy, the delboy of 
diplomacy. 

1157
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,160
Steve Witkoff gave the game 
away. 

1158
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,160
And that's what it's all about. 
Trump tweeted out this Gaza 

1159
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:23,520
Riviera thing with this gaudy AI
video back at the beginning of 

1160
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,680
his term in February. 
And that was just kind of like a

1161
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,640
big FUI think to the 
Palestinians and to the 

1162
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,880
international community on this.
And there you go. 

1163
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,680
These two shysters, a couple of 
crooks, a couple of criminals 

1164
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,440
and their bosses running a 
protection racket, who is, I 

1165
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,440
don't know who their boss is. 
Which cabinet do they work for, 

1166
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,960
the Israeli cabinet or the 
American governments cabinet? 

1167
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,960
This is an open question that we
don't actually know the answer 

1168
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,240
to the British at this point. 
Maybe, maybe, maybe there's a 

1169
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:59,120
Union Jack inside, Jared. 
Designer suit. 

1170
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,360
Well, we'll leave. 
We'll leave it on that thought. 

1171
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,480
So look, we'll be back. 
In a couple of minutes, if 

1172
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,000
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1173
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,520
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1174
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:15,440
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1175
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,600
usual and hope everyone has a 
great weekend. 

1176
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,480
In the meantime, thanks for 
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1177
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:20,000
Bye bye.