None. On my background, I have a
conventional kind of education here in the states.
I got ABA and then I got AJD. I'm a member of the State Bar of
California, passed the bar in 1998.
And I really got into Aleister Crowley through my research into
911, the events of 9/11 that happened here in the states.
I kept seeing this numerology and these numbers that were way
beyond any kind of statistical, you know, randomness.
And so did these numbers have meaning and led me down the road
to Crowley? And then I kind of just applied
my academic maybe training to a study of cruelly independently
of what other people said about him or maybe some people are
sympathetic about him. So I really read as many
biographies as were available on Crowley.
His own biography is Autobiography, which you called
Confessions, which is way too long, but it actually has a lot
of great information and then also his core documents.
So what did he write about? He was really, I call him a
literate tour because he wrote on so many different subjects.
He was a book writer, fiction, non fiction, poetry articles.
He wrote for Vanity Fair in the here in the United States as
well as other publications. So I read all through that.
And so I would say I'm pretty close to an expert in Crowley.
I'm certainly probably, I don't know if there's anybody else me
who's a Crowley critic as much as I am.
Like I'm not on the side. I'm not a practicer of magic.
I've never been in a I've never been initiated and I'm not in a
cold order. I'm not a Mason, so I would say
I'm very much of A cruelly critic, I think it's fair to
say. So a lot of people have heard
the name Aleister Crowley or Crowley.
Is it? Is it Crowley or Crowley?
I want to make sure I pronounce it correctly.
Well, when I first started researching Crowley, my first
book was published in 2010, by the way, Prophet of Evil.
But I used to say Crowley, and then he there's a poem called
The Winged Beetle that he wrote where he rhymes cruelly with
holy. So I think it's really Crowley.
OK, I'm going to say the way he would pronounce it.
All right, so I'll say Crowley from now on.
Aleister Crowley. So as I was saying, a lot of
people know the name, They've heard it, but they don't know
who he was. So let's just create some
context. Who was he?
An interesting guy. A lot of references to public
references in in Alice Ozzy Osbourne song, Mr Crowley.
So like, these are the names bandied, right?
It's usually talked in the context of being a dabbler.
But what he was was a person who was born in 1875, really at the
peak of the British Empire. And he was in the upper largest
class. He was an aristocrat, came from
a very wealthy family. And I end up dying in in 1947 in
a kind of old folks home in Hastings, pretty South of the UK
or England. But he had all the privileges of
an only son who was from a wealthy family.
He was brought up in what was called the Plymouth Brethren,
which was a church by Darby. It was kind of a
dispensationalist, but he was in a subset of that group and it
was called the Exclusive Brethren.
So they were supposedly supposedly more ardent
Christians. So he was brought up in that
environment. His, his parents ran kind of
they, they supplied beer and kind of goods to the pub system
in, in Britain. And when his mom died, he
inherited a sum today which would be like 20,000,000 lbs
like incredible sum of money which he wasted eventually.
But he was brought up in this very rigid kind of church where
they always read the Bible and he went to religious schools and
at a certain point he rebelled. He went off into, he was able to
passed the test to get into Cambridge and when he went to
Cambridge he basically rebelled and he said he wanted to become
the Devil's chief of staff and he wanted to become one of these
lights of the future. So I think like when he was in
Cambridge, one of his three main interests were poetry, mountain
climbing and the occult. And he was white.
I said he was white hot on those subjects.
So he'd be reading late into the night on these different
subjects and also travelling around.
He's very well travelled and for his rock climbing expeditions,
he would go to Switzerland, South of, you know, England to
this place with different climbing stuff.
This is how he kind of got his health back into shape after
almost dying in some of these private schools.
They're very brutal, almost like, you know, another brick in
the wall like Pink Floyd brutality with bullying and and
brutality. And he also travelled to kind of
present day Pakistan and India to climb 22 mountaineering
expedition expeditions, which are very, very well historically
referenced. Like you can find out about
them. One was called Kat Kanchan Junga
and the other one's Chogo, Rhode Island.
So these are huge mountains that never were ascended.
He didn't ascend them either. But 1 ended disastrously and
ended really Crowley's rock climbing reputation and career
after that disaster happened. But he really became, because he
never really had to work, he really was able to dedicate
himself to the occult. And I think he really wanted to
become a glory of the future ages.
So he really spent his time writing documents.
He had his own encyclopaedia about the occult he called the
Equinox. He was writing books on magic,
so he was absorbing stuff. He went through the Masonic
system. He went through this other group
called the Golden Dawn, which was a ceremonial magical order,
along with William Butler Yeats, famous poet, Irish poet who
actually knew Crowley. Actually, Crowley was very well
connected with a lot of cultural figures at that time, the late
19th century of the 20th earliest 20th century, like
Somerset mom, Ernest Hemingway, Aldous Huxley, believe it or
not, Rodin, who's a famous French sculptor who did the
thinker, if you remember that Crowley was just wrote, actually
wrote a book about Rodin called Rodin in Rhyme in France.
But anyway, Crowley was really a multifaceted figure, but he was
not a dabbler. He really looked into all kinds
of traditions. One of the things that was
happening in the late 19th century was the movement of
Eastern esotericism into the West.
And so he was part of that tradition moving yoga and the AI
Ching and some of these other kind of Eastern traditions West,
and he integrated it into his religion that he called Thelema,
which is Greek for will. So I think that that was kind of
the primacy of his human will was really it.
And one of his primary events happened in Egypt, in Africa in
19 O 4, where he was with his wife Kelly at the time, who said
they're looking for you and he's responding.
So he did some magical stuff. He's always kind of travelling
and using ceremonial magic after he learned it through the Golden
Dawn. And apparently he received this
book called, he called it the Book of the law.
He received it over 3 days and it became the centrepiece of his
religion. It's still kind of around today,
believe it or not. He had the Stella of Revealing,
which was also Stella 666 that came out of what was used to be
called the Bulac Museum, which is now called the Egyptian
Museum, but it's still around. Believe it or not.
There's like associates of some of these guys in the UFO
community who knows he's Crowleyites who are doing
Crowley's Gnostic mass with this Dell of revealing the same set
of Crowley. So he pursued his religion to
definitely permeated Western, if not kind of global occultism and
I think he succeeded in that. He said told this guy Clifford
backs really at the turn of the century.
He said today Christianity is paramount in one day Cruelianity
will take. I can't remember the exact
verbatim statement, but basically his really he was his
goal was to supplant Christianity with his religion
and to a certain extent a lot of his philosophies and ideas have
permeated and overcome kind of Christian ethos of the turn of
the century 19th century. Excuse me?
When we talk about occult and occultic traditions and
practises, what actually are we talking about?
It's a good word. I mean, I mean, it's a good,
good question. Like what is this term?
What is esoteric occult secret? I mean, occult means you're just
putting something behind something, something secretive
or hidden. And I think that that's kind of
kind of the darker element of some of these Luciferian satanic
things that cruelly was definitely a sadist.
I mean, he wouldn't come out and say that he actually inverted
everything where his Lord was the devil.
So he went in to say he wouldn't use these terms of Christian.
He, he said the Christian Church was the black brotherhood.
So a Christian would read that and they'd think, oh, the black
brotherhood, that must be a bunch of like Druid Satan
worshipping cloakwares. No, that for him was the
Christian Church and all these other priests.
So he wouldn't insert all that stuff.
But I think occultism is really this kind of secret doctrines
and secret ideas that have permeated Western traditions.
But even going back to the Middle East, coming up through
the Templars and Baphomet all the way to the present, there
are these secret things that are not for the public and are kept
to from the public's knowledge through cult systems and
initiation and, and secret signs and, and hand signs and all this
stuff. So I think that that's what
really cruelly was involved in, was the perpetuation of these
secret doctrines and secret ideas that are not indeed about
in the public. I mean, there are hints of them,
you see pictures and symbols, but some of these doctrines that
cruelly was definitely keeping secret were not public, like his
recommendation of child sacrifice, human sacrifice.
These are not publicly known and not admitted to by other
Crowleyites as well, which you can't blame them.
They're they're supposed to be secret and sacred.
Crowley would keep them, call them sacred.
That's what is how inverted his worldview was.
But yeah, to the, to the short answer, the call, it's really
just secret knowledge or secret ideas.
I think that's a fair description.
What? Shaped his worldview though.
I mean, I mean mountain climbing, I mean, or rock
climbing, I mean. That sounds quite healthy, for
example. Yeah, no, I think it is.
He got into rock climbing because of this.
He almost literally almost died at one of his boarding schools.
But I think shaping his worldview was this.
Something happened to him where he became very antagonistic
towards a Christian Church and I think his wealth and the only
child and his father died when he was 14.
So he didn't have that much parental kind of overview of his
life. I think that all just shaped his
kind of worldview into this very entitled, wealthy, classist,
racist person who was also interested in the occult and
interest himself, total egotism. And I think that's all reflected
in his religion and his writings as well.
He was also probably a asset of British intelligence even before
it's kind of been systematised into the bureaucracy, is what is
known as MI5MI6. It was called the Secret
Intelligence Service back then. He's probably an asset from the
time he left Cambridge. He was in weird places at weird
times his whole life. But why did he have such a
hatred towards Christianity? You know, it's a good question.
I think that some people really revolt against their upbringing.
And he thought maybe he was being kept back by by the rigid
views of his mom who he didn't care for.
He liked his dad who died of tongue cancer when he was 14,
like I said. But I think he was just became a
rebel and he he saw the Christianity.
I mean, I think he was an authentic anti Christian.
Some people thought it was an actor or something.
But he kept this kind of the anti Christian animus all the
way till his death in 1947 in pro pro magic world view all the
way till his death at 72. And what did the evidence for it
was people who visited him and he's screaming at carolers and
telling Christians go away. And also in being involved still
in perpetuating magical ideas. His last book was called Magic
Without Tears, which is a series of missives he's writing in his
old age when he's an addict. He's a heroin addict, but he's
still perpetuating his kind of worldview and his magic.
But yeah, I think that he was really just at a certain point
he rebelled against the Christian ethos and never really
went back. Thelema what?
What is that? Thelema is a Greek word meaning
will, but if he, that was the term that cruelly used to define
his religion, so he called it the Thelema.
And then people who follow Crowley are often known as
Thelemites amongst their own terms.
So it's their own terminology. And these all have kind of
Cabalic meanings, Geometria words.
Thalima works out to 93 in Crowley.
So this 93 number is very important.
And also the spelling of the word magic, it used to be kind
of the magic term was used in Old English that's spelled with
magic of the K, but it's differentiated from kind of
stage magic. And the K is also very important
to Crowley too, because it corresponds with his most famous
number, which is 11. So K is the 11th letter in the
alphabet, alphabet. And all these correspondences
are supposed to line up to kind of convey magical powers.
So the use of the K in magic is very important.
And the letter K, really, And the 11, the number 11, which is
included in the book of the law, like I told you.
So that there's a quote in there that says those of us who are of
us are of the number 11. And actually goes back into some
of the people who put together the Golden Dawn who wrote books
like Numbers and their Mystic Virtues and Values.
And 11 was always seen as kind of a number of death and
destruction. Do as thy wilt.
Is that correct? Do as thou wilt shall be the
whole of the law. An 11 word 11 syllable phrase.
Yes, so. What does that even mean?
I think it's the primacy of the man as God so you can do what
you will. So you see these kind of
philosophies overlying concepts. You know, Philemon will but do
without will is really kind of like, you know, there are no
rules. You set your own rules.
And I think he kind of systematise he like put all this
together in one of his small kind of relievers, which is
Libra 77 or the rights of man, which is you can do whatever you
want and there's no God but man. So basically man is in the place
of God in Crowley's system. And so do with that will.
It should be the whole of the law.
That's kind of like it ties into the book of the law.
And that's that was his. These are these like dictums,
these axioms that cruelly had another one is love under law,
love under will, right? So you see the law and the will,
which ties to thelema and love in cruelly is agape.
That's also a Greek word, which also numerologically in the
gematria adds up to 93. So you see, 93 is kind of a
central number, including eleven.
Too cruelly, and a lot of times cruelly, instead of writing love
under law, love under will in his correspondences, his
writings, he would just write 939393 to kind of shorthand
those ideas, those concepts. You were talking about Salima
being a religion, So what is what is meant by that?
Because he sounded like he was an atheist.
Oh, I don't think he was an atheist at all.
He believed in the temple. He actually believed in God.
He actually admits it later in life.
Like, I have no doubt that the Bible exists and it's valid, but
I just choose not to accept it. So it's kind of an interesting
statement. So instead of being agnostic or
atheistic, he's like, oh, yeah, but I'm, you know, this is who I
believe in. This being called Awas, which he
later says in Magic in theory and practise is basically
Lucifer. Right.
OK. So therefore that is the basis
of of the religion. I think so it's, it's kind of
like a, a culturally more astute version of Satanism where from
that time and from the style of what Crowley had, from all of
his knowledge that he accrued from, you know, the Golden Dawn
from Masonry and this kind of complex kind of shield, he could
shield a lot of his meanings through coded language is a way
to put it. But basically, if you look
through Crowley's thing he did, he did have different books, he
did have different practises that people had to do.
He started his own kind of mail order magical fraternity, which
was called the Astrom Argentum. So it's just another part of his
religion where you would only have one person ahead of you who
would guide you through your magical stuff.
And he was a very much of kind of like a rigid schoolmaster
actually, for his followers. Like you had to do this.
You had to do your son salutations, leave a rush every,
you know, three times a day. You had to do all the stuff,
purification and all these other rituals.
And then some stuff got really dark, like branding and goat
sacrifices and trials and ordeals.
And he had his own magical fraternity called the Temple of
Philema, which is in Sicily. And he started that in the 20s.
He was actually kicked out of Italy by Mussolini himself.
Gee, because I was, I was about to ask, was he himself a bad
person? I mean, he was ever arrested for
anything or or was he? That's a good question.
He was, he was kicked out of France and Italy.
So I would say if that means arrest, that's a good question.
Whether he was arrested on kind of smaller type charges, I don't
recall offhand, but in his interpersonal kind of I think
relations, he was horrible. He was a horrible parent.
He had five kids. He never spent any time with
him. He would discard his wives or
his scarlet, what he called his Scarlet woman.
And all the Scarlet women were the beneficiaries of a brand on
their chest, like a cow of what he called the mark of the beast,
which was a Syrian. Yeah, you can see this on.
You can pull it up. Crowley's Mark of the beast.
They all have this brand on their chest of the mark of the
beast. And it's a conjunction of the
moon and the sun and stars. And so that was like 11 or 12
woman. He did that too literally for
the office of Crawley, and he was bisexual or trisexual,
whatever he was, he raped. I mean, according it gets dark
because like, his magical record of the Beast talks about infant
rape and stuff like that. So yeah, he's a terrible,
terrible, terrible human being. He actually encouraged one of
his followers to take out a life insurance policy, make Crowley
the beneficiary, and then kill himself so that Crowley could
get it. OK, so he wasn't a good guy.
Yeah. He said it right to his face.
There's a fame, a lot of stuff that I put in my first book.
I was trying to get a handle on who who Crawley really was.
So I did a lot of research into other people's books who had
seen and talked with Crawley, whether it's Somerset, Mom,
Hemingway, Clifford Backs. There's a guy named Lance Sieve
King who was kind of a, you know, he was like a tech guy of
his own generation. He spent time with cruelly in
the South of France. And he's like, this guy is
looking crazy. He's got his shaved head, his
tongue is black. And he told me everybody who
crossed paths with him either ended up dead or in a lunatic
asylum. He's proud about it.
Like he's like hanging out and he cruelly had like he would
have this elixir of life that he cover his body.
I mean, you got to question how sane he was.
Like he would, he would cover his body with almost like some
tan lotion, but he was a special kind of elixir that he came up
with. And yeah, so.
But it's strange because Hemingway and some of those
other names that he associated with, if you think about them,
you think about great work. I.
Think my mom is still, you know, Razor's Edge and all that stuff.
We've heard a book about Crawley too, called The Magician.
But yet if you say the word Aleister Crowley, nobody really
knows other than the fact that he was a bad guy.
Like, it's not. He didn't write anything that
was spectacular or have any positive historical
significance. Well, that's a open question,
but not maybe not overt, but his concepts, the concepts of sex
magic and things like that. Nothing positive by the way.
I said positive. I I see you didn't have a
positive impact. No, I don't think anything you
did had a positive. Yeah, I can't think of anything.
But he had, I think he had a reverberating cultural impact.
I don't think there's any question about that.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. OK.
All right, so explain this magic concept to me.
Well, I think it just goes back into the old, you know,
prehistory legends and stuff like that all the way to the
present. And there's other iterations.
It's different time. And Crowley had his own version
of it and involved ceremonial magic and practises and studies
and training and cakes of light, which were like things you eat
and ceremonies. And he wrote all these things.
So I think that was his kind of view of his his idea of the
practise of magic. And you can go read what his
ideas of magic were in his book Magic in Theory and Practise,
right. And the whole idea, the whole
concept is to, according to Crowley, distil down into a
simple another simple phrase or axiom.
Axiom, which is magic is the facilitation to change external
reality according to your will, right.
So it goes Will Philemon, you're back at that thing again.
But I don't remember the exact axiom, but it's basically
creating change whatever you want.
So you use magic to create this change whether you want
something, money, women, power, whatever.
So he. Is that what he wanted?
Absolutely. I think so.
I think he really wanted to be a first rate, well regarded
literary figure and he always just stayed at the second tier.
But I think he would have he coveted that kind of fame that
some of these other people achieved in their lifetimes,
like Hemingway. I think he really, I mean, he is
output is off the charts. Like he was writing detective
fictions and different books, Moon Child and these other
fictional books, pillow plays and things like that.
He just never got that kind of renown that maybe somebody else
who coveted. He was infamous.
Like he was a known, you know, they called him the, the man
we'd like to hang or the the world's greatest Sinner or
things like that. Like he was known as that kind
of person, but not, as, you know, the great literary figure
that he wanted to be. You said he had five kids.
Just very quickly, his offspring, what would they be?
Grandkids. Great grandkids today.
Do they comment on him? What do they think about him?
I think they all just didn't even want to have an
association. One died, so one died.
They blamed it on like bad feeding or something like that.
So then her the mother who was Kelly when insane to she ended
up in a kind of a mental institution.
But the other four kids, 1, he said, oh, she'll make a nice
war. So I don't know what happened to
that. There were two kids from from
the Abbey of Thelema. One actually made it to
Berkeley, believe it or not, on the West Coast in California.
And she passed away, I think in 2010.
So she lived a long life, probably never wanted to talk
about Crowley, who thought that kids should be exposed to what
parents are up to outside of the bedroom and inside of the
bedroom. So those are his crazy ideas.
Another one he had there was a woman, he said, I want you to be
the father of my child. And he said OK later in life,
like in the 60s. And his name was Ataturk,
cruelly after kind of the Turkish leader.
And he there's records of him, he became kind of a strange
figure, like cruelly sleeping on benches and dressing up in weird
things, but never really amounted to anything.
He the only his only kind of claim to fame was being the
offspring of the great beast. And then there's the argument
whether Barbara Bush is really Cruelly's offspring.
So that's like a whole nother full show.
But it's I think it's an open like people ask me like my
educated opinion. It's like open.
She looks just like Crowley. She acts like Crowley and then
the sons and they're not from a cold family.
So it would make perfect sense that she would be married into
the Push family. He is still widely considered as
a very big influence on 20th century sort of entertainment
culture, and the first thing that comes to my mind if I think
of of Aleister Crowley is Sergeant Peppers.
Yeah, it's pretty incredible. The Zeppelin.
I mean Jimmy Page was really a is a fellow might and he went to
Egypt in 2004 to celebrate the 100 year anniversary of the
receipt of the book of the law. So that's how serious he is and
bought a lot of Crowley stuff. But his his impact and also
Timothy Leary, who is a well known kind of like
countercultural figure, said, I'm carrying on Crowley's
tradition. Like he literally has said that.
And actually in my book Children of the Beast, you can see where
he says the synchronicities, synchronicities between
Crowley's life and my life are extraordinary.
Like he had been in the same kind of Oasis that Crowley was
in in Algeria, so. I think of sorry, go on.
Well, I'm just saying Larry's just one of many, like Kenneth
Anger, who's associated with the Manson family was a was
literally Yeah, he was like friends with Paige.
So you see these overlapping individuals who are also Crowley
that's in a lot of this, like he wrote Lucifer Rising, right.
And in Lucifer Rising is a guy who literally sat on Crowley's
knee, whose dad was a friend of Crowley who wrote performance,
the movie Performance. So these reverberations of
cruelly eyes and cruelly friends, you know, goes all the
way, I mean, to Leary's goddaughter is Winona Ryder, you
know, so you see these kind of things going all the way
through. Yeah, you said the Manson
Family. I I said Marilyn and asks
because I was thinking of the the musician Marilyn Manson.
But I think he also knew Aleister Crowley or was
influenced by him. But I think you were actually
referring to Charles Manson. Both.
Yeah, both. I'm talking about Marilyn Manson
also has a song that mentions the Abbey of Philemon, which I
talked to you about. But yeah, he was Marilyn
Manson's friends with Lavey, who knew of Crowleyites and people
like that. So it's just that they would
call it the, the cultists would call it the cruelly current,
like this current of this underlying dispersal of
Crowley's ideas all the way up until the president.
Cultural figures, a lot of us are familiar with you.
Yeah, you said Lavey. Anton Lavey founded that, the
Church of Satan. If I'm critical, he was also
influenced by Alistair Crowley, wasn't he?
No, no question. Yeah, there were a lot of, like,
Satanists in the Bay Area at that time.
He was one of them. Also, Michael Aquino knew about
Crowley and then this guy who, his name was Mcmurtry, he was
the one who actually wrote the story about Crawley screaming at
the Christian carolers, Christmas carolers.
But he ended up in Berkeley too, kind of carrying on Crawley's
tradition. And he, I have a whole chapter
about him in my book. But they all knew each other.
The interesting stories too, because Mcmurtry what's
interesting, I wrote Children of the Beast in 2014 and there's an
interesting kind of exchange between Mcmurtry, who knew
Crawley and Robert Anton Wilson and this guy's Jacques Valet who
is a Ufologist. They're talking about UFOs and
things like that in Berkeley. And then Valet shows up on Joe
Rogan like last month or something like that.
So for me it's like, OK, these guys are all in the same kind
of. And then you talk about Hubbard,
who knew of Crowley, Crawley's writing about Hubbard
Scientology. And then all this kind of, you
know, Stargate stuff and put off is used on Joe Rogan again
recently is also a Scientologist.
So it's Hubbard, Hubbard's son. Basically said, my dad thought
he was the one who came after in the book of the law.
He was trying to be like a Crowley type figure.
So people who say that Crowley didn't have an influence or a
reverberating influence don't understand the kind of occulted
kind of secret history of the 20th century.
But why or how did he have such a significant impact in the
entertainment industry? I think it's because of his
original promises of egotism, actualize self selfish
actualization that he lived the lifestyle he lived is what these
people want, fame, celebrity, sex and drugs.
So I think that that was his kind of like the life to and
also his kind of views towards the music of the 60s.
It's all cruelly kind of all these guys know it, Rolling
Stone, Zeppelin, The Doors, all these guys do had books on
Crowley and magical books and things like that.
So I think that that's like his promise, that's part of his
promises is kind of what would they call it?
They would be the the duality between Apollonian and Dionysian
kind of Greek world views. Like this is Dionysian stuff,
like, you know, sex and drugs and things like that.
Tell me a bit more about the numerology aspect.
You said 93 and 11. Yeah, it's really the key thing.
So abracadabra is another word that's an 11 letter do other.
Well, it should be the whole of the law.
It's all elevens, it's all systematised down these numbers.
We talked about Libra 77 to the rights of man, but 11 really is
the core kind of thing. The reason it's the core is
because it symbolises so many different things.
Actually cruelly called it a not just a number, but like a symbol
because it's the opposite of forces, you know.
So this whole thing of the magician is trying to bring
opposition together inside the magician, right?
So you're trying to bring in these things.
And from a kind of a expansive view, you have the pentagram and
the hexagram, the five and the six, they both symbolise
something. It's the macrocosm and
microcosm, right? And they come together and the
magician into an 11, right? So you're supposed to kind of
bring these powers together. So you see this 11 also the
other influence of Crowley Crowley's ideas is of course,
Harry Potter. But that's, you know, this is
the yeah, the most important, probably one of the most well,
well sold set of books in the world and movies in the world is
the first book is incredible, man.
Like she knew. I don't even think she wrote it,
but JK Rowling, right? Do you know she invented her
middle initial? No.
Yes. Do you see the K?
Do you see it now? You see it now like you talked
about The Cave magic with The Cave.
That's why she invented her middle initial.
Go look it up. It's not under real name do.
You think she's influenced by? 100 percent, 100%, She knows all
this stuff. Harry Potter.
How many, How many letters are in Harry?
How many letters are in Potter? HARRYAITT.
No ways. How long is Harry's first blonde
when he goes wand shopping? I don't know, I've never read
the book. 1111 So it's all there.
Potter is basically a kind of a reference to alchemy, right?
You'd make clay into gold. That's another kind of inclusion
into magic, this kind of alchemical knowledge and stuff
like that from the 16th century, 17th century.
Anyway, this numerology pervades so much stuff.
People aren't even like, you're not aware of that.
But like for somebody like, I mean, it goes to Stranger Things
too. Like what?
The girls. Have you watched Stranger
Things? Oh.
You mean the series? Yes, I haven't watched it.
OK, well the for the head girl's name is Elle for 11.
She's #11 so she's like a symbolic representation of
magic. Like that's, that's what they
call her Elle, but it's short for 11.
It just goes on through there. I mean all that stuff anyway.
That's that's mind bending. It's the truth.
And and 93. So that's the the we talked
about 93. So the heat.
So in outside of Crowley, you have this kind of idea of the
Kabbalah, right? This 10 Sephiroth with four
different spheres cruelly was into all kinds of old magic.
It was not just alleged Jewish magic of the Kabbalah, but he
was also into John D and Kelly and their whole kind of ether
kind of 49 different ethers, I think in their communication
with Angel, angelic, Enochian magic and Enochian languages.
And so anyway, he the part of the Kabbalah that it was a
breakdown of Kabbalah is gematria where words have
meaning and power. And one of the ways you
determine that is to try to figure out the numerical, so
numerical value. So each letter has a numerical
value and then you add those up. And so both phlema and a copy
add up to 93. So 93 became a key component of
Crowley's religion. And then so you have 1193.
The main numbers of Crowley really are 1193 and 7777 is half
of the kind of like man and woman coming together, Lady
Babylon and the beast. And then also I talked about
Libra 77 or the rights of man and 77 names of Satan or and the
book of you can read it all in in my book Prophet of Evil.
But yeah, so those are really so these are all numbered like he's
always you. There's actually a page, I think
I included it in, in Prophet of Evil, where he's literally has a
whole page of all of these scribblings and all of these
names and numbers with their numerical value.
And one of the more important numbers that it doesn't really
make it out to the public, but 4/18 was a Crowley number and it
symbolises the complete magical overthrow of the current world
order. So you'll see some strange
movies, like with Johnny Depp, who's an occultist.
Their release date is April 18th for for reasons that I
understand. Oh, that's 4/18.
Yeah, so that's like the occulted name.
See, that goes back into the kind of definition of what
occult has happened, where you have the secret knowledge, you
operate on the secret knowledge, but the external mundanes or
uninitiated or whatever the term they have for contempt of people
who aren't Muggles is the word they use in Harry Potter.
This is actually a common kind of conceptual framework for
magician. Is somebody else's a mundane, a
Muggle and uninitiated or they're not special, but they,
they're, you're making, you're making operational decisions
about your life that the public has no clue about what's going
on? But what is the point of playing
in the? Power, power, money and sex.
But I mean, is it a form of communication to one another in
a secret? Way sure, 100%.
When I was researching, I just remember I was in a bar of all
places in Vegas. It's probably about 2005.
Yeah, I was, I think it was on AI was on a bachelor party and a
guy walked in and he had this shirt and I was just starting to
go through this whole process of understanding really.
He had a shirt on that said 9393 and I was just going to see that
and I was like, I think I know what that number means.
I'm not never like I said earlier, I've never been
initiated. I'm not part of Oyco, but I'm
suddenly, but what what clicked in my brain when I saw that is
like he's signalling to his fellow cohorts.
As I know now, the other people would have known that he was
like a follower of Crowley right off the bat because of that
number. But the public probably had no
clue, you know, but I was like, Ding, I know exactly what you're
doing. You're signalling to other
people do the use of that number for sure.
So I think there is a signalling function.
Yes, because I mean I was wondering about why you would
throw around numbers and it's it's communication.
I I liken it to analogize it to numbers that are in the Bible.
So Christians will say John 316, they'll say Ephesians 512.
Like I know these things, you know, have nothing to do with
the unfruitful works of darkness, darkness, but rather
expose them, right? So you know these like if you
have been in the Christian Church for a long period of
time. So I think it's just like that.
So 93 is the same thing. So the cultists seize 93.
They're like, dude thought, well, it should be the law, love
under law, love under will. 77 writes man, there's no God, but
man, you know 11, those of us who are 11 since the number of
magic we believe in the practise, that's our religion.
That's The funny thing. Like people ask me is like
cruelly religious. Yes, he's very religious.
He just doesn't have a Christian religion.
He's just a total he was a complete giving himself over to
the practise of magic and Satanism.
There's a connection between Aleister Crowley and 9:11.
I think so. What is that connection?
Well, the numbers of the planes and the date and everything like
that elevens all that stuff. So the primacy of 11 like that
even the day itself, September 11th, 2001.
So it's an 11 into a big 11 building, but it's 110 storeys
tall and the first plane that hits it is plane 11.
And so I think it was all very structured and, you know,
planned out beforehand. And it's I don't think it's any,
it shouldn't be a surprise or actually, I don't think it's by
a random event that George Bush's seniors famous New World
Order speech. Was.
September. 11th 1990, right? So 11.
So the big event was planned at least 11 years ahead.
And it was really was a world changing event.
So I think it was very important.
I think it's up up to speculation whether George Bush
junior is the grandson of Crowley.
It wouldn't surprise me. But I mean, his his mom looks
just like a big head. You know, Crowley had kind of a
blockhead. He was kind of like he always
tried to disguise if he would wear like straws and scarves and
stuff like that. But Barbara Bush has that same
look and we can tie her mom. Her name was Pierce.
I can't remember her first name right now to kind of the to
Paris at that time in the 20s. So.
But what would the connection with Crowley have been?
Just the just the numerology? Would there be more?
Well, you have to. I mean, it's in my kind of go
through to my book. It's not just the event, but the
cultural change that happened. You have to think about Crowley
too. People think of him as kind of a
dabbler, but he was very much knowledgeable about the cult,
but he also had political views. He had political application of
his ideas. That's what he wanted.
And Cruelly's worldview, the real optimal social structure is
feudalism. So this talk about neo feudalism
and destroying the middle class, really we've been right on board
with that. And he's kind of infamously said
like, you know, people are cattle and they should be
treated as such and dispensed with such.
You know, they should you should use them for their leather and
mutton and then discard them. Like he had a very cruel kind of
kind of outlook. And if you look after 911 and
see what happened, it was kind of the kind of like the
furtherance of that here in the United States.
Patriot Act open bore, you know, selling out a lot of the
manufacturing in the United States.
So people didn't have the access to good jobs and shipping it off
to China. So all these kind of I think
Crowley and ideas were we're in there in the culture, the anti
Christian culture, which was I think is still perpetuating
still through Obama, who hates Jesus, hates Christ, is gay and
knows a lot of I mean, he's a relative of the Bushes.
Actually, he's a distant cousin. So who knows.
He knows a lot about skull and Bones too.
They don't really ever talk about that.
But anyway, so I think that the, the, the cultural kind of change
too, I think is actually a component of what happened after
911 as well, wars and calling and all that stuff.
What was Crowley's Jewish? Connection.
I don't know, you know, cruelly travelled very well, but he
would, he was, he died before the creation of the state of
Israel. But I don't think that he had,
he was very racist. He didn't like Italians, black
people, Irish, you know, somebody he used the N word
against Italians like that's like that's in his writings.
And he had contempt for Jews too.
Like he was he had a follower, Victor Newberg, who, you know,
they would call them the worst stuff.
Another follower. Like once the bickering with
Crowley, once the he in the fallout of his personal
relationships would happen, they would start belittling each
other. And one could they call Crowley
gay who liked to have people, you know, he was in, he sent to
some very extreme sexual practises.
Crowley was as a way of putting it.
But then he didn't insult. His followers were Jewish.
He called them like East End Jews, like grubby Jews and stuff
like that. But there was another one, his
name, who escapes me right now, where they were bickering like
that. So not a big fan of the Jews.
I would say Crowley was and his friends were.
He didn't keep his Jewish friends very long and I'm.
A big fan of. Himself, himself, one of the
interesting things about Crowley that he writes about is that he
always maintained his loyalty to the Queen and King, right?
So it's Queen Victoria at that time.
So he he he said, I'm John Sykes dog, which I think is from
Oliver Swift from what's the guy's name?
What's the author's name? Robert anyway, he he is this dog
who gets beaten up and keeps coming back.
So that's what he likened himself to.
So he was always a loyal and that's one of the interesting
things about Crawley is getting kicked out of so many countries.
But but he's always able to limp back into the UK, even after
leaving the States, France, Germany, Italy.
You've spoken about Crawley's connection to the New World
Order. Well, the concept of a new world
order is refashioning kind of the world in the kind of vision
of what these people want. And it's not a Christian
worldview at all. It's kind of, I think it's a
Crowley and Satanic Luciferian view where the slave shall serve
just like Crowley said. And so these overlaps, you can
see why they believe in that. Crowley's doctrines are
acceptable to elitist people. I think that that's, you know,
he called himself a priest to the Princess.
He also said don't mess with the muck of the mire, find a diamond
and Polish it, which he means find smart people and make them
smarter, according to Crowley's image.
So he was not, he was a total classist, classicist, or both of
them, really both. He knew a lot about the
classics, but he was very much part of the class structure of
19th century England. Excuse me, but I think, I think
that that's kind of the overlap between the New World Order.
It's Luciferian kind of groundwork and cruelly because
they're really almost carbon copies.
Slave shells serve neo feudalism, you know, get rid of
the poor, you know, treaty, kill them off, you know, big deal
coal coaling and stuff like that.
He's a transhumanist. In a way cruelly was I think I
think that he called Lucifer the positive androgyne or the
androgyne which is a mix of these gender kind of roles.
So androgynous, the same words as androgynous.
So and I think cruelly it the really higher ends of Luciferian
if you are a real died in the wool Satanist, maybe a believer,
you become bisexual. I think that and that's what
Crowley really was is really kind of this bisexual trisexual
person and you see so he could be in a in a certain way through
his kind of doctrines, really one of the founders of this
whole transgender movement that's coming come to today.
So he. Is human.
Yeah, I'd say that's it. Well, it makes perfect sense,
right? Like to just destroying God,
God's creation or, you know, having contempt for it.
But with some of his followers, really, like there's a guy,
Genesis Piorg, who's really one of the real, like literally went
through the transgender surgeries and all that stuff.
But he was an admirer of Curly. I have a whole section of him in
my book, Children of the Beast, because he also was kind of
that. I'd mentioned current earlier,
but from Crowley to Genesis Piorg to this crazy
transhumanism, transhumanism, transsexual stuff that's
happening now, decision cult and murders.
And there's a :) killers, that thing that took place.
And some of these guys, transgender guys are killing
people, man. They're violent.
Yeah. Also when we talk about the New
World Order, it's another way of saying Agenda 2030, even
sustainable development. I mean, these are all the same
thing. Build Back Better.
It's all variations of the same thing.
And Crowley had a had a role in that.
What you find out is a lot of these guys know a lot about
Crowley. So Jimmy Savile is another
interesting character, literal paedophile guy who had sex with
corpses and stuff like that. One of his best buddies is King
Charles the 3rd, so back when he was the Prince of Wales.
So you don't know the totality of how deep it goes.
Sometimes you get little glimpses of how how it goes, but
I think a lot of these elites actually one of the interesting
things is that what we know is Boris Johnson, his wife was in
this play that featured a lot of Crawley's poems and stuff like
the darkest stuff, like the some of the most horrid writings and
that put to put to print Crawley did.
So Boris Johnson probably knows of Crawley.
I would say for sure he was very much involved in the
perpetuation of this mass calling killing that's going on
in Ukraine. Like they're happy to fill the
graves of millions of people. That's the way they could look
at this. And I think Crowley would have
the same look like, oh, too bad you're dead.
Like Crowley's actually said infamously before Hitler was.
I am. And I think he recognised A
fellow traveller in Hitler, like somebody who was part of this
black magic experience cruelly. I mean, Hitler.
I mean, we could do another show on Hitler, like full black
magician of the darkest tribe and happy to have be in that
role. He knew a lot about the stuff
Crowley and there's weird overlaps between Crowley and
Hitler and some of his friends like Crowley.
Actually, believe it or not, a lot of people don't know this,
but Crowley became the head of a German secret society, the OTO
in 1925 S Some of these guys who are in these secret societies
are in the Nazis and it's you cannot believe, you cannot write
that stuff. But it's not well known kind of
in American kind of Western history.
But these overlaps between Crowley and Hitler are there.
So what was appealing? I think people get a expurgated
version of his personality, so they think of him as kind of
like a person of freedom. Like he's actually influenced
the gay movement. 2 gay rights movement.
One of Yeah, one of the early founders of the gay rights
movement, Harry A, used to literally play the piano at
Crowley rituals in LA. You can't even write that.
But I think that it's the promise of freedom and
detachment from old norms and what they view as kind of like
stayed conventional, can maybe conservative ideologies.
So I think that that's that's that's what they see.
So they want to rebel too. So he's really kind of like a
totem or a poster child for other rebels of whatever stripe
it is. So I think that Crowley was the
kind of person who like LED that way as kind of like almost like
Lucifer being a Luciferian, you know, revolting in Heaven,
right? So because into culture
creation, what Crowley was trying to do with changing the
culture, much like Leary, who is guiding Leary, who is guiding
Huxley and what's their real goal?
And a lot of those goals are synonymous or similar to
Corley's, which is overthrowing the current order, creating the
birth of the child, creating this, the age of Horus, this
kind of new magical world that they they felt more comfortable
in than a Christian, the old Christian kind of stuff.
And, and we are experiencing the offspring, the kind of
ideological offspring of that now in the United States.
It's a total mess. Like you literally have like
transsexual kids and nobody knows the Bible anymore.
Everybody's self centred. Witchcraft is the number one
religion, so. And the heart of Christianity,
which is in Europe, is dying. Yeah, it's in its death now.
The Barbarians are through the gates and it it'll be a miracle
if they can turn it around. I don't know.
Think they can turn Europe
around? Not at this pace.
Not what's keeping this war going.
They they're lose. They've lost the plot.
They've lost the central theme of their lives and of their
history and of the past, present and future.
And if you lose that, there's done that.
You can't be saved. You're just gone.
So what you're saying, William, is Aleister Crowley's impact on
where we are today is significant.
Ironically, very few people know this.
They're not consciously aware of it.
No, they're not. They're they're not taught it.
They certainly are taught it on the mainstream media.
And I don't think I think it's not even a cover up.
It's just that they don't care. They're not as you know, prime
for it. Maybe the Christians are very
concerned about Crowley's or Satan.
It's satanic influence, but there's so many influence.
I mean, you can talk about the West Memphis three, Damian
Echols, all these these guys love Crowley.
So I think that, I mean, if you want the, the, the, you know,
what happens when Crowley influences your culture, you
don't have to look very far and it's not a good outcome.
So people should be aware so. OK, so what's the moral of the
story? Crowley's bad.
Get back to God, go read your Bible, go read the New Testament
and it should be part of your politics and culture.
Like this is the core of your politics and culture and meaning
and they've the reason. I mean, that's really the where
the linchpin is that holds everything together is this kind
of biblical worldview, the New Testament worldview.
I'm not talking about Judea, Christianity, which is a joke.
I'm talking about like Christian, like actual Jesus is
the Messiah, Christianity. That's really what save us.
That's what's going to save us, really.
Yeah. And I mean, what you just said
now is intricately tied to what's called the West.
It is the West. The foundation of the West is
really Christian. I mean, it came out of like
Roman Empire, but for thousands of years it's been Christian.
I mean, there have been fights and obviously Protestant
Reformation and even America was started by Christian rebels.
Really they wanted to come here for freedom.
That was it that changed the world.
Really. The really the Christian of the
foundational Christian views that were involved in the
Christian in the United States just permeated the world.
Like that's the standard, that's the gold standard is the Bill of
Rights and all these other countries talk about it.
They don't live up to it. the US isn't living up to it anymore.
But it all comes back from this kind of seal for freedom that
comes, the real freedom that comes from Christianity and the
conquest of sin and death. So Crowley really has to be seen
in that context of a kind of a theological context, not a
political or cultural, which is, which is a good lens or a facet
of perceiving that. But he's actually his whole
thing was to overthrow Christianity.
I think you, you, the people are putty when they lose their,
their moral bearings and things like that.
So what they can and can't do, I think they're really putty in
the hands of political movements or enemies really.
I mean, you can see this like you, they literally the
Christians would never let the Barbarians through the gates of
France or Germany. Like literally there's like 200
knife attacks in the last two weeks in Germany.
They would never have done it. The real questions would go,
look, this guy is a paedophile prophet whose followers murder
people. Why are you letting him do the
gates? But now that Christianity's born
down and it's almost like a new World order philosophy is
running everything, which is a lot to do with that.
Will the egotism. Look at the people who are
running Europe these days. They're clowns, egotism, coke
usage. I mean, they'd be right in line
with with cruelty. So they they have to get away
from kind of that that Christian worldview to the Christian
worldview that created these great States and cathedrals and
peace and, you know, families and pro life and taking care of
the environment like it. I mean, people need to repent.
They need to that's get away from Crowley and repent.
OK, William, how can I follow your work, get your books,
etcetera? I have all five of my books that
are on Amazon and all of my episodes over like 1300 are on
any podcast distribution site, Spreaker, Spotify.
It's William Ramsay investigates the number.
Well, it's in the top .5% of podcasts in the world, so it
could streams all over the world and a lot of listeners.
I, I started out as a guest and then kind of inverted over
COVID, but I've had a lot of success with the podcast,
surprisingly. And it's been a great way to
kind of distribute my books. But basically I was in this kind
of role for years to just, you know, talking about Crowley.
So I don't even need like to reference my book anymore.
Believe it or not, I don't even like look at notes anymore.
I know so much about Crowley. William Ramsey, thank you for
joining me in the trenches. Glad to be here, thanks for the
invite.