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Are you the last American 
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Well, I mean, you know, the 
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say no. 
I think there's plenty more, 

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especially hopefully because of 
what we do, there's plenty more 

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people out there that embody 
what I think that represents, 

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you know, And when I first 
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not honestly wasn't even really 
like this defined, you know, 

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like metaphor in my mind. 
It just kind of jumped into my 

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mind. 
It was always a big traveller. 

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And I don't know, Vagabond in 
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you know, travel being the 
focus, not the destination, not 

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the derogatory way that word can
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just, it just meant it, it, it 
felt like something that 

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mattered to me, you know, like 
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We're we're because at the time 
we're travelling a lot. 

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And we were in the RV travelling
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And I'd already travelled 
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And it just kind of like, you 
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something like the old kind of 
like the, you know, and, and the

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direction always lied, you know,
what's the phrase from? 

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And, and the road always LED W, 
you know, kind of like that 

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mindset. 
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developed into something, you 
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put, as it, as looking back at 
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of like the never ending pursuit
of truth, you know, And so I 

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don't think I'm the only one 
clearly, I think tonnes of us 

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exist, but even more so even 
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Vagabond perspective, I think 
that because of that, many, many

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people have now sort of embodied
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know, never just settling with 
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always seeking more information 
and always looking for more to 

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develop your understanding. 
And I think that's powerful, you

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know, and I think I think we 
share that. 

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I would add that the the word 
Vagabond in your instance could 

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be replaced with Vanguard. 
Sorry, I, I said, I like that. 

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That's thank you. 
I appreciate that. 

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And you know, and I, I think, I 
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think right now the independent 
media sphere that where we both 

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share is, you know, it is a, 
it's an interesting battlefield 

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right now, you know, and it is 
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And I think right now, more than
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entire existence of this field, 
we're winning, you know what I 

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mean? 
Like and, and doesn't feel that 

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way because I think the more we 
change, the more that these 

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things, you know, despite the 
propaganda, despite the 

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censorship, despite the every 
other way that we go, you know, 

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one step forward, 2 steps back 
in this field, we're still 

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breaking through. 
Think about how powerful that 

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is, you know, and so it's like 
they're going to make your life 

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really uncomfortable because 
that's not what the power 

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structure wants. 
But but we're getting through, 

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you know, that's powerful, man. 
And so I just, I do, I, I see, I

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see it the same way. 
Where are the front lines of 

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whatever this is right now? 
Yeah, I like to play around with

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metaphors like battle of ideas 
and the trenches, information 

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war, that kind of stuff. 
But do you think, do you think 

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we really are in an information 
war? 

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Absolutely 100% like to the 
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of that phrase, like, but in a, 
in a lot of other ways too, but 

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just the basic understanding of 
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Like we're at a war over what 
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information, over what it means,
over how to interpret it, you 

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know, over what sources are 
supposed to be, you know, it's 

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like every single element of it 
down just the core of just like 

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what the meaning of words are, 
you know, like this is a a long 

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term manipulation. 
And so yeah, 100% we are in an 

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ongoing information war, a 
narrative war. 

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But you know, there's all sorts 
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you know, just like kind of like
I went into, but even deeper 

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where it comes into like, you 
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or like the technocratic sort of
social engineering, even to the 

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level of like brainwashing, you 
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or even crazier, like 
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like we're getting to some 
really crazy stuff. 

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But yes, 100% we're in the midst
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And you know, where it goes is 
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seems like a lot is on the line.
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Would you go back, Ryan, to 2019
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Yeah, well, I mean, it's hard to
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the quote of the question is 
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ignorance bliss, right. 
And even though we clearly we're

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not just blinded everything, 
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people, I would say, I think I 
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would share the idea that we 
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the first ones to be like, yeah,
that seems like there's 

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something wrong even before we 
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clearly something that was off 
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But to the average person, you 
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Like, you know, is it better to 
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know how bad things are and 
maybe you're happier for it, or 

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is it better to understand how 
dark it is, maybe be able to 

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change it, maybe not, but then 
exist within that unsettling 

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reality. 
It's, you know, it's a, that's a

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hard question. 
It's a philosophical question. 

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You know, for me, I think it's 
obviously my, obviously my 

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choice is the latter. 
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who I am as a person. 
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and suffer for it than live in 
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ignorance. 
I just think that's obvious 

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because I think my core driving 
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things for the better. 
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ignorance, then there's, that's 
just simply not possible, you 

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know? 
So I would definitely stick with

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where we are now because I still
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watching things shift for the 
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an opportunity to see that 
happen if we stay with what 

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we're doing. 
I like what you're saying 

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because it indicates that you're
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Definitely, that's an 
interesting thing to bring up 

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because prior to the selection, 
the election of, you know, the 

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last election process, it was a 
really weird kind of just to 

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quickly sum it up, you know, we,
we, we have been going on for a 

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long time. 
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like James Corbett, who I see as
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It's not the one of the Van 
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just the idea. 
Yeah, really seriously. 

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And and even people today that 
reference him and don't ever 

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have him on for interviews. 
It's just this weird, kind of 

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like he's not supposed to be 
acknowledged for obvious 

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reasons. 
But you know, the idea that he 

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had for a long time been like, 
you know, vote nobody, 2016, 

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whatever, you know, and I, I 
always resonated with me not, 

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and obviously, if you understand
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going to criticise anything, 
he's not saying, I don't care. 

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That's the whole point of the 
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know, he's saying that this is a
way like if you look into his 

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argument that this is like, I 
would argue the system's broken.

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You're not actually process 
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You're giving a false binary or,
you know, any different number 

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of ways you could break it down.
Even if you think your vote 

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translates the thousand ways 
that's manipulated, stolen, 

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altered, lied about, you know, 
and so he's we're argument was 

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always been well, let's just 
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But obviously, on a side note, 
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supposed to be on your ballot 
every time is abstention, like 

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legal, recordized, tallied 
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That's part of the process that 
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And there's a reason for that 
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not choosing is being not part 
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The point, though, is that we've
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know, going and usually 
relegated to the corner like 

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children. 
These these conspiracy theory. 

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They don't know, you know, and 
then weirdly, we've been doing 

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this for a long time, James, 
even further, we get before this

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last selection process and we do
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Vote nobody 2025, you know, and 
and weird, weird. 

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The response we got like wild 
from large people that came 

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around, this weird movement, 
which has been there for a long 

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time and calling it, you know, 
black pilled and it's a purity 

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test and you're to your point, 
it's like, well, hold on. 

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You know, we're very clearly 
invested in this and we have 

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solutions that we discuss. 
It's like, so the weird thing is

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those same people later were 
like, well, they're both bad 

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options. 
And so I'm just going to pick 

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jump. 
That's black build. 

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You're giving up by going well, 
that's all we have, you know, to

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a small degree. 
And then there's much more 

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deeper versions of that, but it 
shows us that there's clearly a 

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vulnerability. 
At least that's how I read it 

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right, that finally people are 
starting to go, OK, you know, 

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questioning long held 
manipulation like Zionism or 

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whether vaccine, you know, all 
these things are suddenly going,

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you know, maybe our vote is 
being manipulated. 

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Maybe it is both sides. 
And so they just freaked out 

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about it, tried to shut it down.
A lot of what we predicted is 

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now happening. 
But what what kind of came of 

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that is the IMA right. 
Whitney and Derek and I 

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discussed, you know, OK, this is
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It's on it's we haven't seen it 
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We sense basically the what the 
mainstream alternative media is 

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becoming, right? 
And so we said we need to 

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collect and just have like an 
alliance of people that we think

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are being honest, objective, 
nonpartisan, who see through 

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what Zionism is to see through 
the two party illusion and just,

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you know, no financial 
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people that believe in integrity
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crazy, right? 
And so it just people, they just

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lost it, you know, and so here 
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And clearly what we were all 
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and now they're trying to like, 
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And it's just, you know, I think
it's kind of blowing up in their

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face. 
But the black pill thing I think

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is an important conversation 
because I think it's like it's 

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it's it's like all the inversion
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It's like what they're claiming 
is somehow, you know, fighting 

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for the future is what is 
actually being black pilled by 

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letting it all continue down the
path when we're trying to stop 

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the bad thing from happening. 
You know, to oversimplify it. 

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I mean, I have noticed that way 
too many people, shall we say, 

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on our side, Blackpool, 
nihilistic, you know, they just 

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give up on everything. 
There's no point. 

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That's a very dark place to be. 
Yeah, you know, but it's 

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understandable, isn't it? 
I don't, I don't agree with it. 

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And I don't think it's, I think 
it's like the last thing you 

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should do. 
I mean, like I've always said, I

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don't care. 
If I could prove to a certainty 

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that we wouldn't succeed, 
whatever we think that looks 

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like, I'd still be fighting. 
I don't know how you can't, 

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right? 
It's like I it's like it's not 

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in me to just give up and sit 
back. 

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But you understand it, man. 
I mean, I think everything in 

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what the power structures are 
trying to do, one of the major 

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things within it all is to just 
make you give up, make it check 

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out right, convince yourself 
that you can't influence it. 

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They already spy on everything. 
Why even try? 

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You know, it's like that's the 
that is being black pilled and 

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that's central through the two 
party paradigm, or at least on 

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the other side, right, That's 
what that side does and that's 

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and it's really all of it, you 
know, but you get it, you know, 

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people get. 
So I mean, part of it is to make

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you feel like you can't change 
anything and, and, and really 

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just not care enough to really 
be involved. 

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But part of it is to get you to 
utterly check out, even if you 

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care. 
Because there's so many people 

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in this field that really, 
really want something positive, 

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would fight for it, but are so 
overwhelmed by how impossible it

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seems like getting involved and 
being one after another 

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dissolutioned by people you 
thought were going to change the

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world. 
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going to change something or 
movements that get Co opted, you

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every day tooth and nail to just
see the same happening, you just

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go man, I'm just going to try to
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you understand it. 
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and I think it's like the least 
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dangerous thing we can do right 
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genuinely think we have more 
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something change. 
Let's just do a quick bio. 

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Give me your background. 
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background is that this started,
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lot over the years like this, 
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You can't see the top part of 
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Most people know it, but the 
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this image of people I 
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This was in Spain. 
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I have to look it up, 2020. 
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23/20/22. 
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basically there was a long 
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travelling. 
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the RV 1st we did this. 
I backpacked our Spain. 

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I, you know, when I was younger,
I went to Italy, went to Greece.

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take the RV around the United 
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Napa Valley. 
I'm a classically trained chef. 

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That's what I've, I've done my 
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I've run restaurants, I've been 

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executive chef and general 
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You know, I, I, I love the high.
I've, I've worked at Ella, Ella,

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Ella in, that's in Sacramento. 
I've worked in, now I'm blanking

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on the terms like, you know, 
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something was calling me in this
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there anyway, you know, so the 
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of the United States. 
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blog about sports or something. 
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moment idea. 
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like out of nowhere, the picture
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the idea, not just of like 
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personal rights and all and just
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about the lies around it that 
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everything else, you know, even 
foreign policy when you break it

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to the massive lies told around 
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monumentally, you know, helpful 
earth changing things, hemp, you

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know, cannabinoids in general 
that we've just been like just 

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it was me with a couple of 
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I think the turning point came 
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to do some kind of a show. 
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always say this, go back and 
look at some of the stuff I did 

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like. 
It's still on there. 

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think you can find it somewhere 
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I did, if not the first one. 
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It's so funny, the camera's way 
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I'm all uncomfortable, you know,
it's like, it's like, but you 

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know, I forced it through and 
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I, I'd failed like 4 times 
before that and got frustrated, 

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didn't do it. 
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intended it started out like 15 
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Now it's like 4 hours. 
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trying to inform people. 
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change what this platform was. 
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Derrick Bros, I reached out to 
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was, you know, just a writer for
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You know, did was do it, you 
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know, in the in the field of 
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writings and want her to come 
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started writing a lot of that 
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She was writing her book and she
built you unlimited hangout, you

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know, and then Robert in Lakesh,
you know, it's really important 

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for me, by the way, to anybody 
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And now in no way to say I'm 
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all them conscious resistance. 
Derek had way before me just 

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allowing people that work with 
me at the same time to to 

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continue to grow what they want 
on their side, because I I've in

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this field, I've worked with so 
many people that are like, come 

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work with me and like you're, 
you know, you're ours, you know,

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like you can't think, you can't 
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anything else. 
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And so my point was that just 
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rapidly and it grew into more of
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people working together. 
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Matt are and all different kind 
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at where, you know, it's it's 
just anything we cover is about 

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trying to breakthrough the 
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I've gotten a lot more into the 
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I think it's really important to
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the mainstream alternative 
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I've just never seen it more 
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Anyway, I'm kind of rambling 
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you know, I gave you the the 
overview of how it came about 

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and you know, from there we've 
done a lot of other things, you 

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know, you know, I did. 
We started pirate stream, which 

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is seems to kind of be drifting 
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after like I just told you, you 
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hope just keep growing this in a
in a way that's like a, you 

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know, continuing to gather 
people that we see really not 

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about opinions, but just about 
principles, integrity, you know,

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people that stand by that show 
their print, their their 

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actions, the precedent they set 
and the outcome, you know, 

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they're consistent to what they 
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today within the mainstream 
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Back in the early 2000s when 911
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me that this could have been a 
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2009 when I watched a 

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documentary, I think it was 
called The Great Global Warming 

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Swindle. 
That I think might have been my 

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first Damascus moment, my first 
red pull moment. 

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And when was yours? 
It's funny, I get we get that 

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question. 
We used a lot more, but every 

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time it comes up, it's, it's 
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more, that's the right word for 
it measured, I guess. 

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But like, it wasn't as like the 
some massive shoe that dropped 

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for me, you know, like so I, I 
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remember waking up on 9/11 and 
seeing that. 

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What were you doing, by the way?
What's that? 

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What were you doing? 
Sorry. 

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So I just woke up, I was at my 
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I woke up and walked out and the
TV was on. 

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Weirdly, nobody was in the room.
I just, the TV was on and I 

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walked out and was like, what? 
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And weirdly enough it didn't, 
wasn't some like, you know, it 

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was weird how it was shocking 
like, oh, that's crazy. 

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But it wasn't like some, Oh my 
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I've fully begun to understand, 
like what seemed to be, you 

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know, all of it. 
But even at that time, I was 

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just like probably just taking 
largely what was being 

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presented, you know, and but 
very early on in this 

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conversation, it started to 
develop into something, you 

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know, there's just suspicious 
parts about it that even at that

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time when I was really not in 
the know for the most part, you 

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know, that I was just picking up
on, I think it became around the

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development of this site and the
people that I overlapped with, 

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you know what I mean? 
I started because, you know, 

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I've always been very open 
minded and wanted to hear 

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people's opinions. 
I loved talking about things 

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that, you know, fringe idea, you
know, you can call that 

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conspiracy theory, but it's 
plenty of things that are just 

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even like fringe science ideas, 
you know, things about outer 

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space, you know. 
So ultimately I was always 

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really open to just these ideas.
And once I started to talk to 

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people, interview with people, 
like one of the earliest things 

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I did way before the show, even 
the website was barely going on.

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I always, I think his name was 
Dara. 

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He was a blind guy that ran a 
radio station. 

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He's a good guy and like a like 
a local kind of his own 

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personal, you know, broadcast 
radio thing. 

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And he liked the show or the 
website stuff. 

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And he saw me online and reached
out to me and said, Hey, like, 

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you know, come, come on the 
show, came on the show. 

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And then that was the first time
I started. 

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He wanted me to continue to do 
the show with him. 

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And so we started coming to the 
show and he was really into all 

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these different things. 
And we started doing a thing on 

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the show called Conspiracy 
Crossfire, where we basically 

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had a big hat full of like every
conspiracy listed that we and we

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would just draw and talk about 
at the end of the show. 

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And so it like, you know, you 
start to learn more and 

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understand these things. 
And even just from an 

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entertainment perspective, which
by the way, I think is part of 

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this, it's kind of weaponized 
today that people are like more 

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in like the reality TV version 
of a lot of this. 

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But my point was that the 
entertainment value of it all is

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just it's excites, entertaining.
It's interesting to read about 

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these crazy ideas. 
My point is that over this time,

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it really evolved for me, you 
know, like kind of like a slow 

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growing process where I'm like, 
wow, that's crazy. 

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That's what happened. 
And I mean, I, there were things

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like I saw James Corbett do 
something about like Oklahoma 

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City. 
I don't know, like just so many 

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years ago. 
I remember going, even then 

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going like, Oh my God, like, so 
that guy too was like MK Ultra. 

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You know, it's like you just, 
you don't realise how finding 

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the, how many of these things 
interconnect even to this day. 

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I will research something. 
For example, I looked into 

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Rwanda. 
It was the, the, the anniversary

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of Rwanda. 
How was the, how was hate using 

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that word? 
For some reason, anniversary 

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doesn't seem appropriate. 
And I looked into it with what's

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going on today. 
And I just figured, you know, 

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like I, I know that there was an
overlap with Israel, but I'm 

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curious to die further. 
Never really done that. 

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And I was absolutely blown away 
by how shockingly clear and 

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obvious it was. 
If you don't know this, by the 

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way, Israel's was like arming 
and involved with that genocide.

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Same with Bosnia, same with 
South Africa running theme here.

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The point is that I was blown 
away by how easy it was to prove

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right on the surface arming them
with Uzis and machetes. 

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Anyway, I'm just going like, Oh 
my God, that blew my mind. 

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And so even to this day, I still
find that I blow into new 

440
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,720
theories, you know, and I go, 
wow, that changed my mind. 

441
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,040
So I, you know, I think that's 
what a lot of people go through.

442
00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:22,960
I think the whole kind of shoe 
dropping awareness of certain 

443
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,600
things. 
I think that represents that 

444
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,040
people that they were already 
sort of aware, you know what I 

445
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,680
mean? 
Like they were seeing it but not

446
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:29,960
allowing themselves to accept 
it. 

447
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,160
And that was kind of the moment 
that brought it all together. 

448
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,520
As opposed to where I think I 
was always pretty sceptical. 

449
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,080
And it just kind of grew for me 
as I learned more, which is kind

450
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,560
of a different way about it. 
But you know, it's, it's 

451
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,960
different for each of us. 
The COVID era for me was very 

452
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,360
exciting on so many levels, but 
one of the reasons is because it

453
00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:51,200
appeared to me that a huge 
number of people were quote 

454
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,840
unquote waking up. 
However, Ryan, I don't know if 

455
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,600
you've noticed the same thing, 
but it appears now that all 

456
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,280
those people have gone back to 
sleep. 

457
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,720
You know, it's weird how to be, 
there's a lot of factors to 

458
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,720
that, you know, yes, I think in 
a lot of cases, which is always 

459
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,480
how it tends to go, is that you 
have moments of awareness like 

460
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,640
we're dealing with right now, 
which is what I always point 

461
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,440
out, and that there's always 
something, an event, you know, 

462
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,200
maybe organised, maybe hoax, 
maybe PSYOP or maybe an organic 

463
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,480
event that they use and who 
knows? 

464
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,480
But you know, never let a good 
crisis go to waste. 

465
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,160
The point is that there's always
something that comes along, It 

466
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,080
shocks people back into place, 
feels less likely today, to be 

467
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,200
honest, today feels different. 
It really does. 

468
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,920
But that's always what happens. 
So after that, there was 

469
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,320
something else, you know, and 
people, they, it's usually 

470
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,680
partisan driven and it drives 
you back into like people that 

471
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,200
have like warped their identity 
around partisan politics, which 

472
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,440
I also think is dwindling. 
And so it just kind of shocks 

473
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,080
them back into place because 
they feel like they have an 

474
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,720
obligation to do so. 
And so I know there was a lot of

475
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,680
people throughout COVID that 
kind of fell into that trap that

476
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,240
still I think we're sceptical of
some of the other things, but 

477
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,280
are now, you know, maybe kind of
lost in other new narratives. 

478
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,000
But there's also an element to 
that of people that were not 

479
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,920
really even, whether they were 
aware or not, were using that 

480
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,160
awareness to kind of straddle, 
you know, kind of sidle up next 

481
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,720
to this movement and use it to 
benefit themselves maybe for the

482
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,280
next agenda. 
This is what I always see 

483
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,520
happening. 
I see it happening right now, 

484
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,760
not to name anybody in 
particular, but people that I 

485
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,400
think are like one step removed 
from mainstream media who 

486
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,800
suddenly go, I see you, you 
know, it's real bad and whatever

487
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,400
else, or did it during COVID 
rather to make the point. 

488
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,160
And we're like, you know, these 
are killing people. 

489
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,400
We see it now and, and getting 
people, Oh my God, they see it 

490
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:26,920
now. 
Look at that. 

491
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,960
They're finally coming around. 
And then the moment that they 

492
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,200
had an opportunity or it was 
important to them to pull you 

493
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,400
back into something partisan, 
that's what they did. 

494
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,920
And a lot of us started to 
recognise or even right back 

495
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,560
into the COVID-19 thing, 
promoting mRNA shocks the moment

496
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,520
it was in their benefit. 
The point is, I think a lot of 

497
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,760
them recognised an opportunity 
to use that momentum to benefit 

498
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,120
them or the stab, the power 
structure did the same. 

499
00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:48,920
And so I think those two things 
exist. 

500
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:52,320
But overall, I still think that 
most people came out of that 

501
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,560
different, you know, a little 
bit more aware if you know, to 

502
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,200
1° or another. 
And evidenced by the fact that 

503
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,720
even Democrats at this point 
are, you know, even right early 

504
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,920
during the, the, what was it the
Omicron, I think, and right 

505
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,520
after just as a notation for 
time, whatever you think that 

506
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,800
means that they're most 
Democrats at that point were 

507
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,560
were resisting the, the like the
6th booster, whatever it was the

508
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,800
time. 
And I remember thinking that was

509
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,160
so crazy because they, these are
people that have taken every 

510
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,080
shot like dutifully, or at least
a lot of them and were telling, 

511
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,760
telling you, you were a bad 
person for not. 

512
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,680
And then suddenly there was that
6 was too much for them, right? 

513
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,400
So, and, and your and their 
government was going that's 

514
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,240
important. 
You have to same thing they said

515
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,720
before, so showing you that 
there was a line for them and 

516
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,960
even they stopped. 
And now it's like more than half

517
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,840
of even healthcare workers are 
refusing these shots. 

518
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,960
And that that was on the FDA. 
They said that in the last 

519
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,800
interview they had. 
And so I'm just going like, wow,

520
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,880
man, that that didn't go away. 
Now, maybe they're lost in the 

521
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,920
Israel conversation. 
Maybe they're lost in the 

522
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,560
immigration conversation, but 
that is a powerful thing to 

523
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,920
think about. 
And honestly, last point to 

524
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,640
this, I truly believe that more 
than anything right now, 

525
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,560
regardless of the different 
parts and stances, the vast 

526
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,360
majority of people are very 
disillusioned about everything 

527
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:01,680
government. 
I think that's a. 

528
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,680
Good thing that's a good thing. 
I completely agree. 

529
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,960
But at the same time, Donald 
Trump has done a magnificent job

530
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,840
of bringing millions of people 
back into the system. 

531
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,600
I, I speak to a lot of Trump 
supporters and I'm not anti 

532
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,360
Trump. 
I like, you know, I'm, it's not 

533
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,720
one or zero. 
I like some things that he says 

534
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,200
and does and I don't like other 
things that he says and does. 

535
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,560
And I know that he's a puppet 
and he's only really essentially

536
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,880
middle management. 
Yeah, I mean, it's it's the same

537
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:28,800
thing we were just talking 
about. 

538
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,400
People want to believe and same 
point as the bad stuff before I 

539
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,000
understand. 
I get why we've been conditioned

540
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,640
to desperately seek somebody to 
end all the bad things. 

541
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,280
You know, it's like it's easy to
see how this has been 

542
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,920
constructed. 
And so it's like, wait, somebody

543
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,440
comes out and goes, I promised 
to end all those bad things. 

544
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,120
Oh my God, somebody's even, you 
know, nobody's even pointed to 

545
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,040
those things before, you know, 
and we saw that with his last 

546
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,360
administration, the Fed 911 lock
her up, you know, and it's like,

547
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,000
they're good people. 
Shut up. 

548
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,840
We're going to leave alone, you 
know, it's like, it's like, OK, 

549
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,960
clearly that was used and the 
same thing we can see today with

550
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,440
Maha and, you know, every other 
argument. 

551
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,520
I mean, it's just it's 
embarrassing to see how many 

552
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,720
ways they've continued. 
And then you get people like cat

553
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,360
turd on Twitter to come out and 
go, we're winning, Everything's 

554
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:08,760
great. 
And I'm like, here's the living 

555
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,640
embodiment of that meme. 
That's like, this is fine. 

556
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,840
The house is burning down, you 
know, and it's it's clear that 

557
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,560
they're just trying to corral 
people into it. 

558
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,960
But, you know, I, I think that a
lot of people are trapped back 

559
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,120
into it. 
But I do still think that people

560
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,960
like, look at Epstein, you know,
I mean, that has fractured them 

561
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,440
right now. 
Now, you could argue that's 

562
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,080
because of how bad they handled 
that. 

563
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,760
I mean, Trump coming out and 
calling it a hoax after it was 

564
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,880
driving their momentum seems 
pretty stupid and ill advised. 

565
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,640
But clearly, if that's possible,
then it was already building 

566
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,280
right there. 
You know, and I and I do see 

567
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,760
that. 
I think a lot of my point was, I

568
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,280
think more people at this point 
are sceptical whether or not 

569
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,120
they're conservative Republican,
MAGA support Trump, They're 

570
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,520
like, OK, something's wrong. 
Whether and and really what it's

571
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,840
coming down to, which I think is
important to start considering 

572
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,800
is they're still, most of them 
are like, I still support Trump 

573
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,080
or even RFK junior, but they're 
being manipulated, right? 

574
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,640
They're being blackmailed by 
Israel or RFK is being 

575
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,040
blackmailed by something. 
And so it's like, OK, maybe I 

576
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,240
would not even that's probably 
likely even. 

577
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,080
But that doesn't just, you know,
remove them from responsibility,

578
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,760
but might that gives them a pass
that gives them an ability to 

579
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,040
go. 
We all still love Trump and he's

580
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,920
the great guy, but it's Israel 
doing it. 

581
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,520
And now how Trump gets around 
that, especially when you start 

582
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,760
to understand that he is 
completely taken by Israel, is 

583
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:18,000
that's that's the confounding 
moment for them. 

584
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,520
And I think that's why right now
the government, not just the one

585
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,160
side of it, is really concerned 
about where this is going. 

586
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,480
You know, and at last, I do 
think the technocratic side of 

587
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,560
it is their last effort to sort 
of, you know, get us to a point 

588
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,840
to where our opinions don't 
matter anymore. 

589
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,320
But Ryan, haven't you followed 
the latest queue drop? 

590
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,720
Trust the plan, bro. 
Right, exactly. 

591
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,000
Military tribunals, like I 
remember when we were covering 

592
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,640
that, I remember talking about 
that before it was even called 

593
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,960
queue, follow the white Rabbit. 
You know, all these different 

594
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,480
people that were out there 
talking about, you know, 

595
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,800
helicopter crashes and Marines 
and saying, you know, these 

596
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,840
there's these stories that were 
circling right when that was 

597
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,160
kind of going around. 
And I remember laughing at it 

598
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,000
going like, well, interesting. 
But where? 

599
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,040
Where's the the source material?
Yeah, look, look at that 

600
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,200
consistency all the way back to 
that. 

601
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,600
Where's the source material? 
How can you prove these things? 

602
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,360
And so it evolved. 
And even at the beginning, I'm 

603
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,480
thinking, OK, like maybe this is
interesting. 

604
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,560
Like what if you actually have 
people in the government that 

605
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,760
are, you know, secretly seeking 
to change it for the better, you

606
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,360
know, and it's like, OK, so 
let's let's follow this. 

607
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:17,520
And it became wildly evident 
right before it even shifted 

608
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,040
into being partisan that this 
was this was weird, right? 

609
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,120
There was something off about 
this, the way people were 

610
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,720
assuming about what it meant. 
That was obviously a bad sign, 

611
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,160
right? 
And using that to make 

612
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,600
arguments. 
But the most obvious point was 

613
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,480
where it was like just hard 
shift into Trump MAGA, you know,

614
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,160
Republican when in the very 
beginning it was talking about 

615
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,160
how the parties were a lie and 
how it's like, so something 

616
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,640
didn't it was a manipulation 
from the very beginning. 

617
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,960
As far as I'm concerned, at the 
OR at the very least, there was 

618
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,640
some kind of an element that got
hijacked and they used it for 

619
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,320
the same problem. 
I don't really know. 

620
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,720
I think I think it comes back to
the evidence showing that this 

621
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,280
was a manipulation from day one.
And if there's certain people, 

622
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,360
you could argue we're most 
likely behind it, you know, but 

623
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,800
it's clearly using for the, you 
know, to perpetuate that same 

624
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,480
problem. 
But I mean, I honestly can't 

625
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,240
believe people still give any 
kind of credence to that. 

626
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,960
But despite how many times it 
has been proven to be completely

627
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,520
wrong. 
But then you make the same point

628
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,040
about Alex Jones. 
You make the same point about 

629
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,240
everything the corporate media 
says or everything the 

630
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,880
mainstream alternative media 
says, but they just keep going 

631
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,120
back for more. 
Some of them, anyway. 

632
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,080
What do you mean by the term 
mainstream alternative media? 

633
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,600
I I saw David Icke about a year 
or two ago using it and it was 

634
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,120
the first time I've ever seen it
being used. 

635
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,680
Yeah, I think he coined it to be
honest. 

636
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,920
I think he's the one at least, 
you know, you know, really 

637
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,760
popularised it. 
That's at least where I, I 

638
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,080
picked it up from. 
And it is, you know, so the 

639
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,560
mainstream media just represents
corporate media, you know, like 

640
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,440
the like a captured business, 
not about information, you know,

641
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,480
it is about using information to
control opinion. 

642
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,320
That's self evident at this 
point on top of the fat and very

643
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,840
partisan driven elements. 
But on top of that, we can see 

644
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,120
that it's been infiltrated by 
intelligence. 

645
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,640
You know, there's 100 examples 
of that right to this very day. 

646
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,400
So mainstream alternative media,
in my opinion, first is the 

647
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,080
extension of that same 
manipulation because they're 

648
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,440
aware that nobody listens to 
mainstream mainstream media 

649
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,560
anymore, right? 
So early on, and we're talking 

650
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,880
like at least David would point 
back to like some of the earlier

651
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,720
days of like the independent 
media becoming really a 

652
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,720
recognised thing that they were 
like immediately trying to Co op

653
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,000
people trying to, you know, 
start new, like, you know, get 

654
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,440
people that like, like, and I 
don't know who you can make your

655
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,640
opinion, you know, decide about 
like a Megan Kelly Tucker. 

656
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,480
But I think what's interesting 
is these are people that like I 

657
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,560
said, like half a step removed 
from corporate media. 

658
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,320
And now like, you know, we're 
we're calling out the the 

659
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,680
problem and it just feels very 
suspicious to me, you know, any 

660
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,680
number of them. 
But so then it evolved into a 

661
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,880
little bit further, which we see
today, which is like this clear,

662
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,040
kind of like, you know, not just
the people that moved away from 

663
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,320
mainstream and started saying 
things, but people like, you 

664
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,120
know, random that, you know, 
came out of nowhere, like random

665
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,560
TikTok guy that came out of win.
Within six months, he's got 10 

666
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,600
million followers and he's 
endorsed by everybody in the 

667
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,520
field. 
Go ahead. 

668
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,080
Ian Carroll does it. 
Well, there's one of them. 

669
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,800
Yeah, there's plenty of them. 
You know what, it's interesting 

670
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,320
to watch. 
And my my point is always that 

671
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,360
I'll, I'll make it. 
A general point is, is that I 

672
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,240
think right now the majority or 
let's just say a large part, if 

673
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,320
not the majority of mainstream 
alternative media are people 

674
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,520
that aren't even consciously 
aware that they're being used. 

675
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,600
Well, you know, whether that's 
AI, literally don't see it 

676
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,560
because I just don't care or 
it's willful ignorance. 

677
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,520
I don't want to look where that 
funding is coming from because 

678
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,960
then it will stop my momentum 
or, you know, whatever it is, or

679
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,920
audience capture through the 
same kind of mechanisms. 

680
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,600
I think a lot of people are, you
know, being used in that way and

681
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,800
and are, you know, you people 
are you're a shill and they will

682
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,280
go, no, I'm not. 
And they truly believe they're 

683
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,280
not. 
You know, it's like it's an 

684
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,080
interesting development, but 
there are still the ones that I 

685
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,200
think are absolutely knowingly 
like intelligence or working for

686
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,080
a foreign government or working 
for the US government or 

687
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,120
whatever it is. 
Clearly, I think that's obvious.

688
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,080
But so that's what it is to me 
is kind of like the new 

689
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,840
adaptation of that control 
structure through the the thing 

690
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,320
that they saw taking over the 
structure, which is alternative 

691
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,080
media. 
So they just mainstreamed it, 

692
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,920
right, started Co opting, 
capturing, you know, creating 

693
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,520
their own fake independent 
platforms, Newsmax and one 

694
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,760
American news. 
You know, it's like it's just, 

695
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,960
you know, on left and right, by 
the way, it's it's just your 

696
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,880
government doing it. 
But that's what I mean by that. 

697
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,160
And today it's just evolved into
something that's becoming more 

698
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,880
cartoonish by the day. 
How much of everything that's 

699
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,760
going on around us, Ryan, do you
think is by design and by 

700
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,640
emergence it's. 
Hard to say. 

701
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,320
I would I, I would not question 
everything like if somebody was 

702
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,200
like, I'm making a fair an 
argument about why they think 

703
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,520
every single thing that we ever 
see is in some way influence 

704
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,280
control. 
Honestly, that seems very 

705
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,640
possible today and it would 
surprise me, but I do think 

706
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,720
there's organic things. 
I mean, I like, I think I can 

707
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,960
speak for myself which don't 
don't take my word, question 

708
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,080
everything I do go look to the 
source material. 

709
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,720
Don't take my word, but you 
know, I'm, I'm organic. 

710
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,600
I'm honest, I'm not influenced 
by anybody. 

711
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,400
I decide every day what I want 
to talk about. 

712
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,360
The funding is by donation only.
There's nobody you know, it's so

713
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,560
I know that there are organic 
things in this and I know that 

714
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,680
we have some level of success. 
So I would never say that 

715
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,560
there's not possible. 
There are people out there that 

716
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,200
are genuinely doing things for 
the right reasons that get some 

717
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,560
level of I just don't think 
we're ever at a point where 

718
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,320
you're ever again going to see 
anything like organically go 

719
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,840
viral unless that's something 
the structure wants to allow. 

720
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,640
I think that has been the way 
for a long time. 

721
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,760
And so, you know, it's hard. 
That paints a picture of even 

722
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,160
if, like I said, even the people
out there that may not know 

723
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,360
they're being manipulated are in
some ways being done in some way

724
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,440
being manipulated. 
So that that's just an influence

725
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,160
level. 
You can see how that can trickle

726
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,720
through almost everything we 
see. 

727
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,440
I mean, the mainstream media, 
for example, or media Hollywood,

728
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,600
it's not a secret. 
I mean, if you know that 

729
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,560
Pentagon, I was involved with 
movies like toy Toy Story, which

730
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,120
you can look up for yourself, 
you know, to propagandise you to

731
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,320
be pro America. 
It's like this is everywhere. 

732
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,840
So there's nothing free. 
Anytime they have an opportunity

733
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,320
to try to put something in front
of you for even if they think 

734
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,040
it's for your benefit, they 
rationalise that you thinking 

735
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:42,960
that's going to save the 
country. 

736
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,600
The point is still the same that
it's not real, right. 

737
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,480
And so I think it's obvious that
we're at a very weird state 

738
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,920
where with algorithms and AI 
manipulation and large language 

739
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,200
models and digital twins. 
And, you know, we're at a point 

740
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,200
where I don't even think we 
truly grasp how far we've gone 

741
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,560
to, to in that direction. 
You know, or you could take it 

742
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,000
even a step further just to have
a conversation about it for fun,

743
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,840
that maybe we're living in 
something that's not real in the

744
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,240
1st place. 
You know, it's like there's a 

745
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,560
lot of different ways to look at
it, but I, I think it's a lot of

746
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,360
what we deal with is just 
manufactured, influenced, lied 

747
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,800
about, you know, sadly enough, 
but that's again something we 

748
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,840
can change. 
Your Hollywood comment is 

749
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,040
actually very, very well taken. 
I mean, if you think about any 

750
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,520
movie that has the FBI or CIA in
it, they are always the good 

751
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,960
guys. 
Well, you know, it's funny. 

752
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,240
I, I, I agree with that. 
But there, there, there have 

753
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,240
been time, like I've noticed a 
shift over the years where, you 

754
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,000
know, there was a time like that
was the case where it always 

755
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,080
kind of seemed that it was, you 
know, they're saving the day. 

756
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,560
And then there was a period 
where it almost kind of almost 

757
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,960
always ended up being like the 
corporate villain who was taking

758
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,640
advantage of them. 
And that's not the same story. 

759
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,720
But then it became like 
intelligence, like a like a, you

760
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,640
know, like Mission Impossible, 
where it is the US government 

761
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,800
that's doing the bad thing, but 
it's also the US government 

762
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,800
saving you. 
And the lot, the narrative is 

763
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,600
the rogue agent that goes up on 
his own, you know, who saves you

764
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,400
from the villain government. 
OK, So the logic is don't get 

765
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,720
mad when the government breaks 
the rules to save you. 

766
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,080
Isn't that exactly what Trump's 
kind of overarching narrative is

767
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,520
right now? 
You know, it's just funny. 

768
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,160
It's like the whole point is 
predicted programming, you know,

769
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,960
And that's the idea is these 
things are done not just to 

770
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,560
subtly convince you that America
is great or whatever they want 

771
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,120
you to think, but to convince 
you of very specific ideas. 

772
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,680
Like here a weird example, which
we could you could people 

773
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,040
rightly if people have a reason,
it's not illogical or how to say

774
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,040
that, right? 
The movie White Noise that came 

775
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,240
out before East Palestine. 
It's just, I thought I just 

776
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,600
talked about it again 2 days 
ago. 

777
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,960
It's so weird, not the movie, 
but just East Palestine that you

778
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,880
could easily look at that and be
like coincidence, you know what 

779
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,960
I mean? 
But and crazy coincidence bound 

780
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,880
right down to the smoke, the 
sky, the location, which is 

781
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,920
insane, you know, or everything 
else that happened and just go 

782
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,360
like, was there something to 
that? 

783
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,120
You know, was this designed to 
to put, you know, give us a 

784
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,920
certain impression about who 
knows? 

785
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,040
But it's certainly like 
mathematically speaking, think 

786
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,480
about how hard the odds of that 
at every location in the world, 

787
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,920
this one place is the same 
place, which is the same way the

788
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,560
sky look, which is the same 
event, You know, it is really 

789
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,200
weird. 
But I I think that that speaks 

790
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,400
for itself. 
I can add to it. 

791
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,880
You're saying during the COVID 
era, I stumbled across a movie 

792
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,920
called Contagion. 
I don't know if you've heard of 

793
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,520
it. 
Yeah. 

794
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,000
Came out, I think in 2011. 
I'd never in my life heard of 

795
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,159
the movie, and I watched it and 
the hair on my arms stood up 

796
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,880
because everything was precisely
how it played out. 

797
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,120
Yep. 
Yeah. 

798
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,080
Even the term, even the term 
social distancing was in the 

799
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,320
movie. 
And I had never heard that term 

800
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,040
before 2020. 
I know man. 

801
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,239
And see this is the weird thing.
Now you can go back and look, 

802
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,159
can see that there were 
rumblings of this like outlines 

803
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:43,320
and I'm sure you've seen that 
like, you know, and this was pre

804
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,360
COVID-19, but it was clearly 
used and introduced during this 

805
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,239
time frame. 
But that they were having models

806
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,880
like, OK, let's let's not forget
event 201 was before this all 

807
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,040
started. 
Even before that you have 

808
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,360
Crimson contagion, you've got 
event 201 or a, a dark winter. 

809
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,680
And you know, there's tonnes of 
them. 

810
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,400
And if you look back these 
exercises, there's even some for

811
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,240
spars going forward. 
We passed the date arguably was 

812
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:05,680
supposed to happen, but you 
know, it's not always exact if 

813
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,960
that's even the way that works. 
But the point is that in those 

814
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,920
if you look, they sure as hell 
outline this stuff, you know, 

815
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,000
social distancing, masks, 
different quarantine dynamics, 

816
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,600
or even the idea of stuff that 
we never even heard of before. 

817
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Like you know what all 
everything we experienced all 

818
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,880
the crazy things of the way they
treated elderly people. 

819
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,240
But the weird thing was how in 
most of these like U.S. 

820
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:30,600
government run exercises like 
spars, for example, if you read 

821
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,320
this, it I still this still 
blows my mind. 

822
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,000
They frame themselves as the 
villain. 

823
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,160
They literally have part of the 
story where they the media 

824
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,160
catches them lying about part of
the story. 

825
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,240
And I'm going like they're they 
framed themselves as the 

826
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:45,160
deceptive liars. 
It's like, how do we not take 

827
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,720
with that show? 
They know? 

828
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,560
I mean, I mean, I don't know how
you would frame that. 

829
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,160
Is that because they know we see
them that way? 

830
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,480
Is that just sort of like 
undermined? 

831
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,880
That's the truth? 
I don't know, but I still find 

832
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,440
that very telling. 
And then what do you know? 

833
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,520
They get caught lying about 
every single thing about the 

834
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,080
story. 
You know, it's very weird. 

835
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,000
But yeah, your point is well 
taken that this was either 

836
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,800
socially engineered into our 
minds to sort of accept that 

837
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,600
that's what would happen, or it 
was just something we're testing

838
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,800
our ideas on it. 
Like there's a part of that the 

839
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,080
people don't think about. 
A lot of it can be just test in 

840
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,560
the waters, you know, rolling it
out in a specialised 

841
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,200
circumstance to see how we 
respond or doing exercises with 

842
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,240
communities and how do they act 
when we do that. 

843
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:20,800
You know that happens a lot, by 
the way. 

844
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:25,680
How do you philtre what you read
and see? 

845
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,720
How do you know what's true, and
how do you know what's not true?

846
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,560
Thank you. 
Question everything you don't 

847
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,040
right until you can prove 
something. 

848
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,680
And even then you still got a 
question whether you could be 

849
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,600
missing something, right? 
And people hate that idea. 

850
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,120
That's just being genuinely 
objective. 

851
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,240
You know, it doesn't mean you, 
you know, just do nothing all 

852
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:39,640
the time. 
The point is that, you know, 

853
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,680
you, you look to source material
and you report based on what the

854
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,320
facts show as best you can, 
while always keeping your mind 

855
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,880
open to the fact that you could 
be missing something. 

856
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,680
Like you don't have to always 
state that, that that's, that 

857
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,120
should be sort of self evident 
if we weren't in such a clouded,

858
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,680
ridiculous part of our, our 
history. 

859
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,760
That's why that's I, I, I 
jokingly call it irritatingly 

860
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,520
objective, even though it's just
being objective. 

861
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,960
You know, it's like people are 
just so unused to that. 

862
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,600
But you know, it's, it's my 
process is everything I can and 

863
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,080
it like, so let's take it like 
this. 

864
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,480
East Palestine happens or, or 
anything like that. 

865
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,280
I dive into the story media, 
right? 

866
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,800
What are they saying about it? 
What's being reported? 

867
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,840
Who's there? 
What's going on? 

868
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,320
At least as they claim, Where's 
the source material to what 

869
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,560
they're claiming? 
What are the what are the 

870
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,880
agencies involved saying? 
Compare it to what they wrote, 

871
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:20,840
right? 
Let's find. 

872
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,880
And once you have someone like 
Scott C Smith on the ground, OK,

873
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,600
what is he seeing compared to 
what they said? 

874
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,760
And you know, you keep these 
things saying go all the way 

875
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,360
back six months later and go 
look at what they said day one, 

876
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,960
that contradiction out, you 
know, things like that. 

877
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,680
But you always question all of 
it. 

878
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,400
None of us taken at face value, 
whether it's CNN or whether it's

879
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,920
an independent investigator or 
somebody right next to me 

880
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,200
working all along my team, you 
know, it's like you question 

881
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,840
everything and it shouldn't be 
insulting. 

882
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,760
That's just because we could be 
wrong, right? 

883
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,000
We could genuinely believe we're
right and be missing something. 

884
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,120
And so you you absorb all of it.
You can. 

885
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,640
My point is, if you're just kind
of looking at everything all 

886
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,600
day, you have to kind of fine 
tune your, your focal point, 

887
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,960
right? 
And so you go to a story and 

888
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,320
you're investigating that story.
My point is you look at every 

889
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,960
possible data point you can and 
try and come to your own 

890
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:01,960
conclusions about it. 
And you know, and usually you'll

891
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,840
find some kind of a, you know, a
series of information or you 

892
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,360
know also, by the way, most 
important, I think precedent. 

893
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,600
No, that doesn't prove right. 
But when these things start, you

894
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,360
go, OK, what's Norfolk Southern 
been involved in before, right? 

895
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,600
What happened the last time 
there was an, a disaster? 

896
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,760
How did they handle that? 
What do the narratives say? 

897
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,480
What, what did it end up being? 
Right. 

898
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,560
And then you look and you go, 
okay, there's some comparative 

899
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,400
points here. 
And so, yeah, right there. 

900
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,240
This is what mainstream media 
and mainstream tend to do is 

901
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,240
that you go, you know, you kind 
of sprawl into that based on 

902
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:30,840
that that happened. 
Therefore, we know they're 

903
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,680
guilty. 
And even if they are guilty 

904
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,400
later, you were still dumb and 
irresponsible for doing it based

905
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,480
on your assumption. 
That's the way this grows today.

906
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,440
But I get that. 
I think that explains, you know,

907
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,720
just everything you can possibly
look at. 

908
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,520
And I think I try to err on the 
side of what you can prove or 

909
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,880
always, if that's, you know, if 
it's available, that should be 

910
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,240
the only thing you're really 
using to guide the story is what

911
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,560
you can actually prove on the 
ground what's actually 

912
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,800
happening, you know? 
And then for me, I followed up 

913
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,880
on these stories. 
They go forward. 

914
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,480
You know what, what have they 
done things that people, you 

915
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,320
know, the new story comes, the 
24 hour news cycle goes crazy 

916
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,560
and people drift in the 
background. 

917
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,080
People don't find out that, for 
example, Norfolk Southern was 

918
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,920
caught in court admitting that 
they withheld information from 

919
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,680
the Volunteer Fire chief. 
That was that vinyl chloride was

920
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,160
actually treated vinyl chloride,
which meant it was very unlikely

921
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,400
to explode. 
Still, most people don't seem to

922
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,640
know that. 
I've said that like 1000 times 

923
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,960
on my show and Fire Chief 
himself alluded to the idea that

924
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,680
he was somewhat railroaded, no 
pun intended, in that same 

925
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,200
point. 
Basically saying, you know, 

926
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,440
giving him limited information 
and then like forcing him to 

927
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,200
feel like he has to make a 
choice, choosing to explode this

928
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,400
and then finding out that it 
wasn't even necessary. 

929
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,720
Like there I still argue there 
was something that happened 

930
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:37,960
there, not to get off on that 
topic, but that we don't even 

931
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,520
understand something very weird 
went down there beyond what else

932
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,920
happened. 
I'm convinced of that. 

933
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,160
But you know, so the point is 
you keep following these things 

934
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,720
and the stories become clear, 
you know, at least as much as we

935
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,200
can. 
And I you just got to continue 

936
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,360
to be objective as it goes 
forward. 

937
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,720
But do you question everything? 
I mean, I've had flat earthers 

938
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,240
on my show and I must tell you, 
I've had some of the best 

939
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:59,520
discussions with them. 
It's an interesting topic to 

940
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,320
that very point. 
I had a show I did a long time 

941
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,800
ago called, I think it was 
called flat. 

942
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,760
I think it was just called Flat 
Earth theory Colon, an exercise 

943
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,880
in keeping an open mind. 
That's what it was, you know, 

944
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,680
And so I did and I researched 
just for quite a while because, 

945
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,720
you know, same even to this very
day, I get people that are like,

946
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,640
you know. 
You didn't even look and here 

947
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,920
you got to check this link out 
and it's like, you know, I look,

948
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:19,960
it does. 
Look flat though. 

949
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,120
I mean, it does look flat if 
you're honest with yourself. 

950
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,840
Well, no, no, the point, the 
point is that the, I mean, look,

951
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,200
I, I think my Long story short, 
I went through it very in depth 

952
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,840
and, you know, everything 
anybody's ever sent me, plus 

953
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,600
everything else I could find, 
and I researched my, you know, I

954
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,960
don't think that's what the 
evidence shows. 

955
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,840
But what's interesting is that 
it's like, it's like with the 

956
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,840
moon discussion, OK, if you find
things like Antarctica, if you 

957
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,880
find all these different, you 
know, things you can prove, for 

958
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,520
example, like faked photographs.
Now, does that then prove they 

959
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,880
didn't go? 
No, it proves something 

960
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,720
happened. 
They lied for some reason. 

961
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,960
One of the options could be 
that's the case. 

962
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,360
Same with the Earth thing. 
OK, you know, there's all these 

963
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,680
different examples that I think 
are, I think I conflated those 

964
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,240
things, an Arctic Flat Earth. 
The point is that the moon or 

965
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:04,600
any of those conversations, 
there's evidence to suggest that

966
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,880
something's awry. 
To jump to that that's what it 

967
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,000
means in my opinion, is kind of 
like a self fulfilling prophecy.

968
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,440
You know, it could mean that 
there could be logic around 

969
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,000
that. 
And there's plenty of very 

970
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,640
interesting points to suggest, 
like Antarctica and and and and 

971
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,160
is Colonel Byrd. 
Yeah, it's bird, I think. 

972
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,320
I think it's Bird. 
It is Bird, but it's, I forget 

973
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,240
it's a different Colonel or 
whatever he was his rank. 

974
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:33,080
Was he Admiral Byrd? 
I think it's what it was. 

975
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,360
He Long story short, I'm sure 
you remember there's very weird 

976
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,600
stuff about what happened there 
and maybe no one's allowed to go

977
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,600
over. 
There's all these different 

978
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,760
things around that story and 
including the scientific stuff 

979
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,680
that I think is very strange. 
The radar stuff. 

980
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,760
I agree. 
These things stand out to me as 

981
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,320
you can't deny the weirdness of 
that. 

982
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,760
What does that mean? 
Could mean that or it could mean

983
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,000
something else. 
So my Long story short, I don't 

984
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,360
think that's what it proved, but
yes, very much so. 

985
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,520
Always an open mind. 
And I'll give you one more point

986
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,240
that I think is important. 
This kid, this people get put 

987
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:00,920
this to me almost, they think 
it's going to be a gotcha 

988
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,400
moment. 
Oh, yeah, I question everything.

989
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,680
What about God? 
I'm a Christian, right? 

990
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,000
And I go, yeah, I leave it, you 
know, wait and see what they 

991
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,080
say. 
Like as if, you know, most 

992
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,040
people respond like what? 
You don't believe in God? 

993
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,600
It's like, you know, you have to
think this through first of all,

994
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,400
now and I I never, I make a very
big point to not overlap my 

995
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,400
religion with politics. 
I think they're they're 

996
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,720
inherently counterintuitive. 1's
based on faith, one's based on 

997
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:25,720
facts. 
It's like I can't stand when 

998
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:27,640
people in the mainstream 
alternative media blend their 

999
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,280
religion with their politics. 
That's manipulation. 

1000
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,400
It's propaganda. 
Now my point though, is that in 

1001
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,720
this conversation, can I 
question whether God exists? 

1002
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,160
Yes. 
Question everything I question 

1003
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,120
do I think is it possible? 
That's not not yes, I do I 

1004
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,680
choose to have faith. 
That's what religion is. 

1005
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,640
If you think out there that you 
believe in God because you know 

1006
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,400
for a fact, then you don't 
understand how this works. 

1007
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,960
Probably you know it's 
inherently based on the choice 

1008
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,280
to have faith that that's the 
case. 

1009
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,720
That's my personal response. 
That's my personal life right 

1010
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:56,200
and so I choose that, but am I 
willing to consider a question? 

1011
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,240
Is it possible that I'm wrong? 
Yes. 

1012
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,120
That's not blasphemous because I
then choose to have faith about 

1013
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,320
that. 
My point though, is that we 

1014
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:05,960
every single thing in our lives,
everything we should be willing 

1015
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960
to stand back and go is it 
possible that I'm wrong? 

1016
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,320
Is it possible there's something
I'm not seeing the changes this 

1017
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,440
entirely and genuinely go yes, 
that is possible. 

1018
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,280
Then you're not being honest 
with yourself, right? 

1019
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,840
And that's an important thing. 
It's weird how how uncommon that

1020
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,680
even is today. 
And I think that's by design. 

1021
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,640
But even saying that and 
explaining it as as I did that, 

1022
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,480
I think it's just very clear You
still get people, people they're

1023
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,320
Christians. 
They say, yeah, believe you're. 

1024
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,400
It's blasphemous. 
And I think it's just funny that

1025
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,680
they've been convinced somehow 
that like, you know, same kind 

1026
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,680
of people, by the way, that 
would tell you that God sent 

1027
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,120
Trump, things like that, or, you
know, on both sides of the 

1028
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,920
paradigm. 
But a lot of it seems to centre 

1029
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,720
around, you know, somehow like 
this is some godsend idea. 

1030
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,520
And you talk about blasphemous, 
you know, that's idolatry, but 

1031
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,360
in a different conversation. 
You shouldn't be afraid of what 

1032
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,560
the answer might be, because if 
you're searching for the truth, 

1033
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,240
then the truth will be revealed.
Yep, one way or the other. 

1034
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,720
And and the point is to question
everything. 

1035
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:01,040
That doesn't mean deny anything.
That's the whole, in fact, it's 

1036
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,920
funny how that gets taken as 
dismissing. 

1037
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,640
In fact, the words mean the 
opposite. 

1038
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,240
If you're questioning 
everything, you're engaging 

1039
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,160
everything, every source, every 
possible data point. 

1040
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,040
It's The funny thing is question
everything's the tagline because

1041
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,240
that's just a concise tagline. 
But the, the real idea is 

1042
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,360
question everything while 
considering all possibilities. 

1043
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,960
But that's not as nice to say, 
you know? 

1044
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,640
So it's just that's the real way
to look at that, you know, and I

1045
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,640
think everyone's beginning to 
see that, especially today as I 

1046
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,200
mean, almost every 30 seconds 
now there's some new story 

1047
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,360
proving that the government lied
or that these people in media 

1048
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,560
were lying about this or caught 
working for somebody else. 

1049
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,920
And, you know, and so people are
just one after another or 

1050
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,960
COVID-19 are starting to see 
that there's it's just smart to 

1051
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,640
question these things. 
I don't know how to ask this 

1052
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,520
question. 
So Ben Shapiro, I think he 

1053
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,000
coined the statement facts don't
care about your feelings. 

1054
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,080
And I've and I've often, and 
I've often said that he's not 

1055
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,320
correct in that because human 
history is about storytelling 

1056
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,440
and narratives. 
Yes and no. 

1057
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,080
I mean, I think what you're 
talking about might be two 

1058
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,920
separate things like like so I 
would argue, especially with 

1059
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,840
what we do that there is 
empirical truth. 

1060
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,640
There's that doesn't mean we 
always agree on that like right.

1061
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,880
I mean, there scientists can 
disagree on what they think is 

1062
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,760
the empirical truth, but I do 
think that there is one truth 

1063
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,200
about what we're talking about. 
You know about one there it 

1064
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,960
could that's that that's like 
the universal reality in my 

1065
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,400
opinion. 
You know that there is a 

1066
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,560
provable like the to argue, like
to argue that there are 

1067
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,480
different truths about one thing
would come from like a 

1068
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,200
philosophical like quantum 
mechanics kind of point. 

1069
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,280
You know, like like that we like
that your reality is only for 

1070
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,600
you. 
You know, it's a whole different

1071
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,720
idea, but so if we're talking. 
About anism, yeah. 

1072
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,280
Yeah, right. 
But if you're just talking about

1073
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,760
just information and we're not 
getting into the philosophical, 

1074
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,120
then there's the truth, right? 
There's one truth about 1 fact 

1075
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,040
or one idea, right? 
Did this happen or not? 

1076
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,840
There's one answer. 
Now we can debate that. 

1077
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,840
But so what's interesting is 
your point, though, is that 

1078
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,520
these the way that information 
can move is very much connected 

1079
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,160
with emotion, with feeling, 
with, you know, with just the 

1080
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,280
what's exciting. 
But at the same point, you know,

1081
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,200
just how, how you can tell the 
story the right way. 

1082
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,560
And over the years, even before 
we had TV media, you know, 

1083
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,560
sitting on the fire, telling 
stories to keep history going, a

1084
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,320
lot of times that became blended
with what what made the story 

1085
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,600
exciting to repeat, you know, 
what got it to become a story 

1086
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,760
that people wanted to hear. 
And a lot of times that was 

1087
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,160
folded in with myth. 
And, you know, and, and these by

1088
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,280
design in some cases to make 
sure that these stories 

1089
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,800
continued. 
You know, there's all sorts of 

1090
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,920
different things like that. 
But so I, I don't disagree. 

1091
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,880
I think there's a lot of that to
it, but to Ben's to what Ben was

1092
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,200
saying, which I agree with, even
though today he's showing that 

1093
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,760
he doesn't agree with that, 
which I think is hilarious, is 

1094
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,880
that, you know, the point is 
facts are facts and they don't 

1095
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,280
care about whether you don't 
like them. 

1096
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,840
It's the real point he was 
trying to make, you know, at at 

1097
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,400
the time when he was pointing at
woke college kids doing the same

1098
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,680
thing he's not doing for Israel,
you know, and it's just too 

1099
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,040
embarrassing to watch. 
They literally don't tour about 

1100
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,000
cancel culture and and using, 
you know, shutting down speech. 

1101
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,320
And now they're doing the exact 
same thing for woke right Row 

1102
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,000
flakes and snowflakes. 
You know, it's the same thing. 

1103
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,200
But yeah, I, I think that it is 
important to consider both, you 

1104
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,720
know, that clearly emotion plays
a factor and that's how 

1105
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:02,080
propagandists very much use it 
against you. 

1106
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,040
But that remember that there is,
when it comes down to source 

1107
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,600
material and truth, that there's
just one fact when we're talking

1108
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,360
about the information. 
I got very excited now when you 

1109
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,040
said work right, because it's 
something that I've also pointed

1110
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,760
out and I keep getting pushed 
back. 

1111
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,080
Oh, it can only exist on the 
political left. 

1112
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,280
No, it exists everywhere. 
Well, because it's not about 

1113
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,160
it's see, this is the people 
that say that only think woke 

1114
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,960
means pronouns and and and 
trans. 

1115
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,160
It's not what it means. 
It's just these these are this 

1116
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,160
is the way that they choose to 
view it like it. 

1117
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,960
OK, but even if you want to take
their argument, wouldn't they 

1118
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,160
say cancel culture? 
Yes, they would, right. 

1119
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,760
So if we're talking about them 
shutting down speech around anti

1120
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,720
semitism, even these people can 
obviously see that's the same 

1121
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,640
thing if if not just a slightly 
focused version of it. 

1122
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,760
I argue that's really what was 
the whole point. 

1123
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,840
Regardless, it's not about what 
it is. 

1124
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,120
I mean today clearly Zionism is 
real and the influence that's 

1125
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,520
important to them and that's why
that's the focus in one way. 

1126
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,720
But from the point of why it's 
being used from like a control 

1127
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:02,840
structure point, it's the same 
outcome. 

1128
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,200
It's about controlling speech or
control using speech to control 

1129
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,200
you, right, And not just to 
censor you, but to use that as a

1130
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,440
justification to deport people, 
to arrest people, to remove 

1131
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,120
citizenship, to spy, to surveil 
to 100 different things we could

1132
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,000
list off right. 
So it's clear that those things 

1133
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,800
both play a factor. 
But so obviously the woke right 

1134
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,360
or that we jokingly call the bro
flakes. 

1135
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,120
You know, it's like it's it's 
all about it's cancel culture. 

1136
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,640
It is, it is, is censorship 
around speech, right? 

1137
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,080
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's 
ideological manipulation. 

1138
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,440
I mean, that that's what this 
comes down to. 

1139
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,040
And it's, it's very clear to see
that it exists on both sides. 

1140
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:39,320
I mean, right now, like, for 
example, you saw people like 

1141
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,320
Libs of TikTok after the after 
the whatever you want to call 

1142
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,400
the shooting for Trump at Butler
There, there was people that 

1143
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,920
there was, what was it? 
1 was a woman who worked at Home

1144
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,120
Depot who, Yeah, who made a very
tasteless joke that said, man, I

1145
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,920
wish the guy was a better shot 
or something like that. 

1146
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,520
Clearly she's talking about 
hoping Trump was killed. 

1147
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,320
But if you can't take a step 
back and realise how many people

1148
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,240
on the right have made exactly 
similar comments about Biden or 

1149
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,840
whatever the point is, yes, 
that's distasteful. 

1150
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,760
But she obviously has a right to
say what she thinks, right? 

1151
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,920
And obviously done in a way that
was meant to be a joke. 

1152
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,480
Point is, criticise it. 
But they went after her. 

1153
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:16,360
They found out who she was. 
They got her name, they got and 

1154
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,120
it was tweet, tweet and captain 
and quoted and they kept going 

1155
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,840
and, you know, lived with 
TikTok, shared it and they got 

1156
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,520
her fired from her job. 
Why was that not exactly what 

1157
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,280
the left was doing to anything 
they didn't like about the 

1158
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,840
right? 
You know, we all know it's the 

1159
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:27,840
same thing. 
If we're being honest with 

1160
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,240
ourselves, the people that are 
trying to scream it's not are 

1161
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:33,000
the ones that are only invested 
in one side of the paradigm, and

1162
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,720
they're part of the problem, 
whether they know it or not. 

1163
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,760
Is Israel controlled by the US 
or is the US controlled by 

1164
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,680
Israel? 
That's a fair question. 

1165
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,280
And I think it's an opinion, you
know, and I think I think plenty

1166
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,320
of people make the argument that
it's the US dictating. 

1167
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,720
And by the way, there's plenty 
of points that seem that make 

1168
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,600
that seem logical, you know, 
that the US is ultimately the 

1169
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,160
one dictating Israeli. 
And one of the larger reasons, 

1170
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,360
Israeli policy, one of the 
larger reasons people make that 

1171
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,320
point today is because, and 
rightly so, that you can see 

1172
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,960
that the US government, if they 
decided to, could stop funding 

1173
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,960
right now and the war would 
largely collapse, right? 

1174
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,040
And so you can easily go, OK, 
well, then they're controlling 

1175
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,520
it. 
But that's, that's, that's not 

1176
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,080
fact. 
That's a logical conclusion 

1177
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,440
based on the way that appears, 
right. 

1178
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,160
So clearly it's only one point 
though. 

1179
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,920
So to stop, to answer your 
question, I, I think it's 

1180
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,520
obvious if you look at my work, 
I think it's very obvious that 

1181
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,160
the Israeli government has 
shocking level of influence, if 

1182
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,720
not complete control over U.S. 
policy. 

1183
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,360
And what's wild today is it's I 
mean, it's gone so mainstream 

1184
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,280
that people Glenn Greenwald was 
just saying in regard to 

1185
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,040
Republicans being in Israel, 
that he I think his caption was 

1186
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,160
politicians going to speak at 
their home district when they're

1187
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,480
in Israel talking to Netanyahu. 
Like that's what he's saying. 

1188
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,440
George Galloway talking about 
how weird it is that they're all

1189
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,640
going to bow at the Wailing 
Wall. 

1190
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,680
Like these are things that used 
to be roundly called anti 

1191
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,960
semitism, even by some of them. 
And now it's like the point is, 

1192
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,960
it's not hard to see. 
It's not about I mean, look, 

1193
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,640
there's an overlap to religion 
because of what Zionism does. 

1194
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,160
And we can get into that if you 
want to the that sell them. 

1195
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,240
The leading Israeli human rights
group openly calls it Jewish 

1196
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:06,840
supremacism because that does 
exist. 

1197
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,600
But it's not just about Judaism.
There's plenty of Jewish groups 

1198
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,400
that actively call out Zionism. 
So we have to be objective about

1199
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,200
that, right? 
But clearly it does exist. 

1200
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,120
The point is that this is this 
overwhelming thing moving 

1201
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,080
religion from it. 
That is on the surface that you 

1202
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,080
can see not just AIPAC, but any 
number of ways that the Israeli 

1203
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,040
society, Israeli government, 
Israeli entity, Israeli 

1204
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,360
intelligence are like publicly 
immersed with what this country 

1205
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,520
is to the point to where half 
most of our Congress is willing 

1206
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,880
to go against their own 
constituents interest, interest 

1207
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,840
for what Israel wants. 
I mean, right on the surface, 

1208
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,120
shouting down people who are 
going to vote for them because 

1209
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,560
they don't think they're doing 
the right thing. 

1210
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,240
At what point have we ever seen 
that? 

1211
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,160
Historically, what we remember 
of politicians is they're wishy 

1212
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,360
washy. 
They'll say whatever they need 

1213
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,920
to say to get your vote right. 
Except when it comes to Israel. 

1214
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,160
That's a very common statement. 
Except when it comes to Israel, 

1215
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,080
when it comes to U.S. 
politicians, you know, it's, 

1216
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,840
it's very clear to me. 
The evidence is go far back. 

1217
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,560
Things you want to go shows that
there has been provable evidence

1218
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,920
of that, whether it's 
infiltration, assassination, 

1219
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,400
blackmail, you know, which is 
easily provable. 

1220
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,600
But then you go into things like
evidence of Netanyahu talking to

1221
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,640
his own people, leaked evidence 
of him saying, oh, wait, it's so

1222
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,880
easy to control the US 
government. 

1223
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,120
I put the left versus the right.
I'm paraphrasing, but that's 

1224
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,440
what he was insinuating. 
And it's so easy to manipulate 

1225
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,480
them. 
Don't worry, we can control 

1226
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,920
them. 
You know, it's like very clear 

1227
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:24,920
or how many times that he has 
driven the US government, you 

1228
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,240
know, to war, right, for the 
Israeli government, like every 

1229
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,840
single one from, you know, you 
can go down the list has been 

1230
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,880
for Israel, you know, so it's 
obvious that's the case. 

1231
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,200
But I, I would argue that's very
similar to a lot of other places

1232
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,080
in the world. 
Now, I can't speak to as much 

1233
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,040
insight like I, I'm focused on 
what's happening here, but the 

1234
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,440
UK, France, for example, it's, I
think it's the same thing. 

1235
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,240
I think it's of Germany. 
I think it's very obvious and 

1236
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:48,680
whether that's just oh, good, 
good, good. 

1237
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,240
So. 
I was going to say JFK wasn't 

1238
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,920
all that keen on Israel though. 
Yeah, really the good point, 

1239
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,360
right. 
So JFK, it was just before he 

1240
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,480
was killed, the two main things 
that are about what were 

1241
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,000
happening was he was calling to 
register APAC as a foreign 

1242
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,080
agent. 
And it was, I think it was 

1243
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,520
called something different when 
that was happening. 

1244
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,800
But the point was they were they
were trying to register them. 

1245
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,800
And I've covered in the show, 
I'm just blanking on what it's 

1246
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,440
called. 
They registered, He wanted them 

1247
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,920
to register as a foreign agent 
under FARA. 

1248
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,680
Then he died and they changed 
the name and they pretended it 

1249
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,800
was an American company. 
And it's, you can look it up in 

1250
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,240
Wikipedia. 
It was an Israeli thing. 

1251
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:22,480
They that was created by Israeli
government and Israeli people. 

1252
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,080
And it was not about just 
Americans in Israel or in the 

1253
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,000
United States who are Jewish. 
It's Israeli company or rally in

1254
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,040
a group, then it's, it's right. 
It's easy to prove. 

1255
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,640
And so they became the most 
influential lobby, over 80% of 

1256
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,640
politicians on left and right 
very clear. 

1257
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:37,960
That's a that's a an obvious 
problem. 

1258
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,880
But my point was it was JFK. 
So that was one thing and it was

1259
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:46,320
the other thing was the Damona 
Nuclear Research plant research 

1260
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,320
facility. 
They wanted that to go away 

1261
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,120
because clearly they were 
working on nuclear weapons, 

1262
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,400
right? 
And JFK died and those things 

1263
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,720
went back to the background 
there. 

1264
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,960
That's not hard to see, right? 
And we all can. 

1265
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,400
I mean, it's provable evidence 
today they have nuclear weapons 

1266
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,720
and they only country in the 
world that's we even give a name

1267
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,480
to it, not publicly, but in the 
background. 

1268
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,120
It's called nuclear ambiguity. 
Only country in the world that 

1269
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,880
gets that. 
And they've even accidentally 

1270
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,080
said they've gotten them many 
times. 

1271
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,560
And the US government still 
refuses to acknowledge that 

1272
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,720
there's, you know, you can only 
have so many one thing. 

1273
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:17,800
Like, how do you say it like 
that? 

1274
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,560
There's things that happen that 
you don't see happen anywhere 

1275
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,640
else other than the relationship
between the US and Israel. 

1276
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,320
And I mean, like, not just like 
their friends, you know, passing

1277
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,160
random things, but like weird 
anomalies or things they choose 

1278
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,720
not to say or things they'll do 
against their interests. 

1279
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:34,120
And it's only in this 
relationship. 

1280
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,880
So, you know, this is my point 
is everyone does see this and 

1281
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,800
I'm not trying. 
I, I rarely am hyperbolic. 

1282
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,760
I'm rarely kind of the kind of 
person that will make a 

1283
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,080
statement even like that. 
But I've been saying it's like 

1284
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,640
with COVID or anything else, 
guys, it's, it's easy to see the

1285
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,360
whole world ever other than the 
governments that are 

1286
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,160
manipulated, the people 
broadcast propagandising around 

1287
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,720
it are very aware of what's 
going on right now, just to 

1288
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:55,800
varying degrees and what they 
think is happening, but at least

1289
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,320
that they're committing a 
genocide in plain daylight that 

1290
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,200
everyone's a part of that they 
don't want to stop. 

1291
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,080
It's just insane to me. 
It's coming for landing. 

1292
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,040
Give me a nugget of wisdom, a 
parting thought. 

1293
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,640
Well, you know, it's kind of 
like the stuff we talked about 

1294
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,680
today. 
My, my whole thing today. 

1295
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,080
You know, what I'm really trying
to stress on people is stress to

1296
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,920
people is, you know, we have 
these moments throughout 

1297
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,920
history, and I've seen there's 
been plenty of them in the past,

1298
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,080
where you, you have these 
moments of awareness or, or 

1299
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,040
other different, you know, kind 
of things, moments of possible 

1300
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,440
change that are, that are very 
clear, right? 

1301
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,360
People are, you know, that 
we're, let's put it this way, 

1302
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,480
that the power structure is for 
one reason or another, kind of 

1303
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,840
vulnerable. 
And it's obvious that we have a 

1304
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,040
moment to do something right 
now. 

1305
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,480
And, you know, I was saying the 
same thing when like we had this

1306
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,120
really worldwide kind of moment 
for a week or so and it still is

1307
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,680
continuing. 
But like right around when the 

1308
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,560
protests were starting in 
colleges, right? 

1309
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,560
And of course, you saw this 
massive thing that turned into 

1310
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:50,040
framing them and lying about 
what they were doing, you know, 

1311
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,320
and turning it into they're all 
racist and they Jews, even 

1312
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,280
though it was put on by Jewish 
organisations, even though there

1313
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,520
was largely Jews that were 
there. 

1314
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,600
It's insane what happened. 
But the point is that then bold 

1315
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,000
over into what the immigration 
thing is. 

1316
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,480
But the point was this became a 
worldwide movement. 

1317
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,880
I talked about this. 
It was like I was, I was like 

1318
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,400
moved by it. 
And, and this wasn't, you know, 

1319
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,840
people in this country love to 
box everything into left and 

1320
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,120
right as we see it, but it's not
the same everywhere. 

1321
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,520
There's different, different 
conservative, liberal leanings. 

1322
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,160
But the point is that along 
around the world, people from 

1323
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,160
all walks of life, all 
religions, all different 

1324
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,720
political standings were 
screaming about this. 

1325
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:24,520
Not just that we need to stop 
what they're doing, but the the 

1326
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,880
kind of the sentiment that we 
are all Palestine, right? 

1327
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,600
That this is not about 
Palestinians alone. 

1328
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,120
Yes, what they're genocide, what
they're doing to them is the 

1329
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,800
most important thing to me in 
the world right now. 

1330
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,040
But the point is that this is 
larger than that. 

1331
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,600
And they know that they're the 
ones trying to tell you that. 

1332
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,560
Like the whole argument that 
they always say that if we don't

1333
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,480
stop Hamas, you're next. 
The reality is the other way 

1334
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,280
around, right? 
The reality is that if we don't 

1335
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,120
stop what they're doing, which 
we're already seeing, ask 

1336
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,880
Lebanon, ask Syria, ask Egypt, 
ask anybody else in the greater 

1337
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,000
Israel, you know, boundary, and 
then beyond that, what they're 

1338
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,840
already talking about Smotrich 
and the rest. 

1339
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,840
So the point is that this is 
going to expand. 

1340
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,720
And let's be clear, biblical 
rather religious Zionism, which 

1341
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,120
seems to be half of Trump's 
cabinet, if not more. 

1342
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,760
Huckabee Hegseth, like openly, 
proudly Miller. 

1343
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,040
They believe, and you could ask 
Smotrich and Ben Kvir and the 

1344
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,160
rest, they believe that the West
has to collapse before the, you 

1345
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:15,960
know, Israeli government to make
it simple. 

1346
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,200
Well, kind of control the world.
That's America first. 

1347
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,800
There are people that are in 
Trump's cabinet who who believe 

1348
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,160
that that's how this should go. 
You know, So just recognise that

1349
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,640
we're at a moment where we can 
actually step up and change this

1350
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,160
and the world sees it. 
I've never seen a better 

1351
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,960
opportunity to see something 
really change. 

1352
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,400
And, you know, maybe we can talk
about living in a world with no 

1353
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:34,600
government. 
I'd love to have that 

1354
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,520
conversation, but that might be 
a little too much for people. 

1355
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,720
But just see how we can change 
things today. 

1356
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,920
And I do think it's it's more 
possible than ever. 

1357
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,120
So thanks for having me on, 
brother. 

1358
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,520
I'd love to do this again. 
Just quickly how can I follow 

1359
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,520
you? 
The the, any platform for the 

1360
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,440
most part, the tag, the tag is 
usually TLA, Vagabond, Twitter 

1361
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,440
or Gab, anything else. 
But as always, I recommend, you 

1362
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,680
know, and like I mean literal, 
most platforms other than the 

1363
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,120
ones we've been censored from, 
which are quite a few, you can 

1364
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,760
find us that way. 
But I recommend, as always, 

1365
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,480
going directly to the website 
thelastamericanvagabond.com. 

1366
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,360
And I always say, don't let the 
platforms, whether the ones you 

1367
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,120
trust or not, be the conduit 
between you and our information.

1368
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,800
Go right to the source, right? 
Go to what we're saying on the 

1369
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,320
website, you know, and, and then
from there, if you want to, you 

1370
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,560
know, broaden out or, or rather 
do that to any websites you 

1371
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,080
like, right? 
But go right to the source. 

1372
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,760
I think that's important both 
because of, you know, you're, if

1373
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,680
you're supporting us through 
YouTube or Rumble, well, you're 

1374
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,800
really supporting Rumble to a 
degree, you know what I mean, as

1375
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,760
opposed to going right to the 
site and watching it there. 

1376
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,640
I think that's important. 
But thelastamericanvagabond.com 

1377
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,080
and we will have more coming 
around a few other things like, 

1378
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,040
well, I guess I don't think it's
a website, but we're going to be

1379
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,000
having like an IMA page for the 
Independent Media Alliance on 

1380
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,880
the Odyssey portal coming. 
And I'll point that as it comes 

1381
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,680
along. 
But yeah, large of the website. 

1382
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:46,560
So thanks for having me on.