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Sure, it's been a few years. 
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joining me again in the 
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Good to be with you. 
You're the guy, by the way. 

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But you're the guy that coined 
my intro that so many people use

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these days. 
I'm the living expert on 

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technocracy. 
Is that right? 

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That was, I think that was you 
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shortest interaction. 
I have it in the whole world. 

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I'm not sure what it means. 
You know, I'm the living expert.

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Well, I'm not dead. 
Not yet. 

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I don't remember saying that, 
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very clumsy wording it. 
Was I thought it was brilliant. 

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Well, it's literally true, so 
that's also a good start. 

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I suppose you and I have been 
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a couple of weeks now. 
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aware, Patrick, I had some 
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electricity and and road, the 
road being chopped up and then 

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the five up, the fibre optics 
being cut and everything. 

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And now we, we are here and 
thank you for being for being 

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patient. 
What could it go wrong? 

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You know, that's a great segue 
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You know, living in Africa has 
many pros and cons. 

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Obviously having a very broken, 
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have a lot of inefficiency, a 
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You have infrastructure that 
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comes with a sense of freedom 
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functional society, it's much 
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people. 
Yes, I think you're right. 

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if our fate, like in America is 
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Africa at some point. 
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instance, our electrical grid is
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It's just waiting for disaster, 
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And with all the AI data centres
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they're just sucking all the, 
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grid at this point. 
It's going to be really crazy, I

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to experience some of what 
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There is an upside though. 

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The silver lining is that it 
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wife to become more self 
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authorities. 
Yes, you're absolutely right. 

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This is a big gift. 
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This would be a mass awakening I
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Going back a few years, your 
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discovered in the realm of 
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And I think your book, forget 
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was years ago, the rotate 
Ignocracy, I think it's called. 

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You've written many of that 
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Rising. 
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completely flip turned my my 
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it's amazing how the COVID era 
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people. 
Yes, exactly. 

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I was really the first guy. 
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Technocracy in the 1st place 
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and I can't believe it. 
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the, on the journey that I, that
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exactly what I had my hands on 
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Technocracy. 
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had help from other people as 
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I, I wasn't probably in a 
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altogether, at least 
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etcetera. 
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experts, other experts in the 
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another guy, just a researcher 
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discovered the the archives of 
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Alberta. 
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I had I, I packed my bags and my
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off we went to an adventure in 
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the archives that were 
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there. 
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So here I am today. 
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digested and put up and and 
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that's, that's the only thing 
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Just write some articles and see
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Then my book came out in 2015, 
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know anything. 
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first thing that they led with. 
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resource management taking over 
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including people. 
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resources themselves, lumped in 
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the field and the sheep and the,
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was served all these people, all
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it was cradled to grave. 
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they didn't envision necessarily
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They didn't use that word, but 
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If you're kept all your life by 
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you, they want to force feed you
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your activities everywhere you 
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etcetera. 
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that's slavery. 
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tendency today with all these 
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micromanage you add, you know, 
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referring to people like Hubbard
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Exactly. 
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was invented. 
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1932, but that's, that's kind of
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University. 
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progressivism at the time and 
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America. 
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thing was invented in the 1st 
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engineers mostly from Columbia, 
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Howard, Howard Scott, a blowhard
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found himself in a position of 
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Columbia University into 
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Columbia to to do the studies, 
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economics. 
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new type of an economic system 
that this has never been done in

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the history of the world ever. 
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alternative economic system. 
I checked. 

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I had to check when I first when
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said there was an economic 
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carpet for a while. 
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trot out of Commission in 1973. 
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basically, well, it was Howard 
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He was, he was a con man in my 
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the well known oil man that 
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1956, I think it was. 
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distanced himself. 
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Technocracy Inc with Howard 
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apartment rented by M King 
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He had no money whatsoever. 
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well, not, not a beggar, but you
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Scott eventually took a salary. 
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around the is that this is what,
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What do you think they were 
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I mean, technology was very 
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I'll tell you this, this is this
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when I even now, when I consider
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University, there was only one 
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Well, that's what it there's 
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Technocracy, and they gave 1/2 
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Technocracy group, study group, 
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And these were the, again, these
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and engineers from Columbia. 
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really of the of the day. 
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can't remember that one. 
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his name. 
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a, a brilliant guy. 
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with, with the early, early 
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That's where the that's where 
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tabulator was invented, built 
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So all the, the brainiacs from 
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possibilities. 
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they, what would they talk about
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work or whatever? 
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identified the trajectory where 
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Now that was that was way long 
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stuff that's happened since. 
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the, the requirements that 
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itself to, to achieve itself, it
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processing being in being some 
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So I think it wasn't a formal 
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can see where these people had a
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technology was going to play a 
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new society and a new humanity. 
But that there is an interesting

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You say they were sort of 

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futurists. 
They had a vision. 

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Is this, do you think, what they
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just seeing where it might be 
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This is exactly what they 
wanted. 

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They were very, very deliberate 
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will. 
Well, it wasn't a doctrine 

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exactly. 
It's kind of they, they treated 

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it as a scientific project, very
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in fact, I have a book here if I
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right now, but the Technocracy 
study course was created by 

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Scott and Hubbard, like in 1934.
That was a very detailed 

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specification for Technocracy. 
It covered every aspect of it. 

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And this is, this is Stan. 
It stood test of time. 

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And that book today, if you read
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what's going on. 
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mechanistic attitude that these 
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They were in a vacuum for sure, 
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on looking into them at that 
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guidance. 
So they were in a vacuum in a, 

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in a like a circular loop and 
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other. 
So, but nevertheless, it was 

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very disciplined. 
And this is this They knew 

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exactly where where they wanted 
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there was a documentary film 
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What is it called now? 
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that sort of hinted at a 
technocratic future. 

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I'm trying to think of the name 
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I've gone completely blank. 
It'll come to me. 

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The zeitgeist. 
Do you remember that, that that 

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film? 
Yes, absolutely. 

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Absolutely. 
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And I remember thinking at the 
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This is ridiculous. 
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Now I'm looking back at that, 
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they had a point. 
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But what I was going to ask you,
Patrick, is 1932. 

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Was it just a coincidence that 
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World? 
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Huxley was from England, of 
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Columbia University at the time.
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Murray Butler, who spent most of
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time, in Europe. 
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loved to, he loved the, the 
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In fact, he was the best friends
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from Italy. 
Oh, that's like that. 

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We won't talk about that, but 
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He was, he was he, he was 
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unplugged from reality. 
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an American world, because he 
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all the royalty and stuff in 
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life. 
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talked, talked about at that 
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he, he had a huge ego. 
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technocracy to Columbia 
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ballistic. 
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that. 
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Columbia University, there was 
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meetings from that. 
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think the technical Alliance, 
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discussion group. 
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and it, it hit pay dirt, if you 
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Columbia University. 
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time that was the date that 
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technocracy, it was absolutely 
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Absolutely spot on. 
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movement kind of held. 
It didn't go anywhere. 

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And I mean, just a few decades 
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Rockefeller and Brzezinski were 
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Trilateral Commission. 
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because now you're seeing the 
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Exactly. 
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Technocracy group, they never 
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Carnegie, Rockefeller, etcetera.
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I think that that would have 
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thing and single handedly 
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man. 
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This guy was just full of hot 
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like him personally. 
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fizzled. 
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Columbia. 
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And remember, Columbia 
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Rockefeller family in the 1st 
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well. 
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for all kinds of things in the 
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nobody wanted to touch him. 
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fizzled down until 1973. 
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Burzynski wrote his book between
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in the Tectotronic era, that 
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technocracy. 
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wrote that book. 
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University, political, political
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He was that he was on site, if 
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was created the first place. 
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overt talk about technocracy 
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flipped it, It flipped Butler on
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couldn't talk about it, but it 
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The scientists and engineers who
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1932, they were mostly still 
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overlapping with them at 
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He even, he probably talked with
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length. 
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wrote this book, Rockefeller 
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And the reason why I, this is 
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because I was studying the trot 
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19/19/77 or so. 
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money. 
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Manhattan Bank. 
He had all, and of course he had

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all the, the oil fortune behind 
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He had a problem with money 
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on the wall that sometime in the
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especially, would be destroyed. 
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And what do you do if you want 
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If you don't have money as a a 
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Well, you get your hands on the 
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If you have all the resources in
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what kind of a monetary system 
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If people want it, you can, you 
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you know, your first born. 
I'll let you let you live. 

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So Rockefeller understood that 
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to control the resources of the 
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And that's exactly what is what 
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So Brzezinski. 
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strategist for sure. 
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was ever into technocracy like 
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but he used it mercilessly and 
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He wanted to get all the 
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many as he could into his pocket
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pocket. 
That, that and that. 

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That clue includes like national
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you know, real real estate 
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The farms of the world, the 
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unmistakable at this point over 

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the last 40 years, how these 
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consolidated into these giant 
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right so. 
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pretty much the largest agenda 
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based on exactly that. 
Yes, it's a resource based 

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economic system. 
There's not, no, there's, 

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everybody understands at this 
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sustainable development and they
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their, their literature as well.
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resource management. 
That's their game. 

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That's always been the game for,
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about resource management. 
So in 1992, when the Agenda 21 

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conference was held in Rio, you 
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United Nations brought to God. 
I think there's 20,000 people 

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converged on that. 
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Agenda 21, there was a parallel 
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same time called the 
Biodiversity. 

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Well, the biodiversity 
convention I think was called, 

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but they're, they were joined at
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They're everybody talks about 
the Channel 21. 

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They don't talk as much about 
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they were all together in one 
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Well, what, what happened with 
with that whole thing? 

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If you back up from 1992, you 
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the the doctrine together, a 
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Harlem Bruntland. 
She was tasked by the the United

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Nations to write a book, a study
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That book became the doctrine, 
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sustainable development, and the
United Nations has admitted that

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he, she was the mother of 
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That doctrine came from her. 
It just happens that she was a 

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member of the trot out of 
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You can't make this up honestly.
Just a coincidence. 

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Just a coincidence. 
Well, there were, there were 

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other people at that time that 
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development. 
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She had a compatriot at the 
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O'Neill, and he also wrote a 
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Commission concerning 
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So 2 The two of them together 
certainly created the doctrine 

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of sustainable development on 
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Commission. 
This is, to me, this is 

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absolutely stunning. 
Nobody picked up on it except 

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probably me at that point. 
So I just guys, hey, look over 

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here for what these people are 
doing. 

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It's absolutely insane. 
But this is where, this is where

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Agenda 21 came from and this is 
where sustainable development 

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came from. 
This is where the, the 

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biodiversity switcheroo came 
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And it, we're suffering on it 
under it now. 

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And one of the substantial 
things that happened by the way,

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the, the concept of biodiversity
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What we put what would come up 
in somebody's mind if you, if 

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you ask them what to define 
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well, that must be like all the 
species of the, the tree frogs 

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and you know, in the, in the 
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the life on Earth, right? 
Life on Earth, all the 

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ecosystems, the that's pretty 
much what people would have said

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before that. 
But the doctrine of biodiversity

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was changed to include humans in
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We, we were never considered 
formally part of the mix, even 

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though the Technocracy group 
almost 100 years ago, they 

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included people in the mix, but 
that, that was never a formal 

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definition of it. 
You know, they said, well, we're

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going to manage the humans as 
well. 

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But because humanity was 
included all of a sudden into 

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the definition of biodiversity 
that gave all of the United 

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Nations the mandate at that 
point to control all of the 

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resources and the and the people
as well in the world. 

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We see for instance, the World 
Health Organisation, they're, 

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you know, they're unplugged. 
They've always been unplugged. 

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But you know, we see them 
micromanaging that what give 

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what gives them the right to 
dictate our health as 

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individuals and as as a society.
What gives them the right or the

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the thinking that they could do 
this. 

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How is inconceivable. 
But this is this is exactly what

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they've done. 
They've they've made us into 

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animals in the field to be 
managed and. 

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That's why, yeah, that's why you
get people like Vulgate saying, 

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well, there are too many people,
we've got to find ways to to 

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reduce the population. 
Yes, exactly. 

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You know, you talk about 
population reduction. 

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This is a theory that's age old 
theory. 

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Herd management. 
When you have too many deer in 

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the forest, what do you do? 
You send out the hunters, right,

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to thin the herd. 
This, this has been, gosh, going

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going back thousands of years. 
I'm sure that hunters and 

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society figured out, well, we 
have to, you know, if we have 

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too many animals or they'll 
destroy themselves, whatever. 

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So we have to thin the herd. 
This is exactly this concept 

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that they're they're practising 
today. 

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Wasn't it so? 
Yeah. 

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Wasn't it also politically 
adopted a few decades ago on 

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behalf of, was it MIT and 
Malthus? 

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I forget the the the the Limits 
to Growth document, something 

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along those lines. 
Yes, Limits to Growth. 

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That was produced by the Club of
Rome. 

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That was another Rockefeller 
establishment, by the way, a 

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think tank. 
Well, it wasn't, wasn't, well, 

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it was a think tank, I guess in 
one sense, but they, they 

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produce that. 
That was their book The Limits 

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to Growth. 
And it basically exposed 

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technocracy, the control over 
people. 

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And they've, they've written 
other books, I think since that 

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kind of reflect the same, the 
same theory. 

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And when you consider how that 
played into the Rockefeller 

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takeover of this whole thing in 
the 1st place, you can see 

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exactly where it fit and you 
know, the scheme of things, 

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right? 
And most people never really saw

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the Club of Rome as being a 
Rockefeller organisation, but it

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was because it was originally 
formed in Rome, which is outside

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of Rome in a villa that was 
owned by Rockefeller himself. 

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So he, he was a guy that that 
called the meeting and put the 

453
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,400
brainiacs together. 
Hey, guys, come up with 

454
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,440
something. 
I want to, I want to do. 

455
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,920
I'm, I'm just paraphrasing here.
I, I want to, I want to create 

456
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,400
something that lets us get all 
the resources in our, in our 

457
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,680
pocket. 
So cook something up, would you?

458
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,920
And get back to me on it, get a,
get a report on it, out of it 

459
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:52,560
and we'll, we'll run with it. 
Well, the Club of Rome was the, 

460
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:59,320
they were the people that 
concocted this whole climate 

461
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:05,800
change nonsense. 
And it was very sterile at that 

462
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,640
point, said Guy. 
We, we're just going to do, 

463
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,719
we're going to do this. 
We're going to trick everybody 

464
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,920
into doing this and we'll herd 
the whole world and we'll 

465
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:20,800
Stampede the whole world into 
this sustainable universe and 

466
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,920
we'll take over at that point. 
And they were, they were, they 

467
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,000
were so crass at even suggesting
that. 

468
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:34,320
But they said that their 
conclusion was, well, that 

469
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,000
mankind is going to is the 
enemy. 

470
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:45,080
Mankind itself was the enemy. 
So we're going to turn humanity 

471
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:50,040
against itself, to destroy 
itself, though, so that we can 

472
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,040
get all our our hands on all the
resources of the world. 

473
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,440
This, this was so ugly, in my 
opinion, just absolutely 

474
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,720
stunning. 
But that was Rockefeller. 

475
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,160
You know that this is one 
reason, by the way, that I say 

476
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,040
Rockefeller was not he was not 
for technocracy per SE. 

477
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,240
He was all about getting the 
resources. 

478
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:19,520
So hey this manufacturers 
something to get this thing kick

479
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,760
started. 
But I mean, the whole idea of 

480
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,160
depopulation is also so absurd 
if you just open your eyes. 

481
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,560
If I fly between Cape Town and 
Johannesburg, it's about a 2 

482
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,160
hour flight and I look out the 
window for most of that flight. 

483
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:42,120
Easily 98% of that entire flight
is just nothing underneath me. 

484
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,640
It's empty. 
Empty land. 

485
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,840
Maybe some farms? 
Yes, yeah. 

486
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,520
But yet I'll have conversations,
Patrick, with people, they'll 

487
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,320
go. 
They'll say to me, yes, but we 

488
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,880
are overpopular. 
Just look around you. 

489
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,440
Well, that's because we live in 
a city. 

490
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:03,280
They've never been out outside 
the city to know. 

491
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,560
It's weird. 
It is. 

492
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,320
And the same thing here. 
I mean, when you can fly from 

493
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:16,240
any city, it point to point 
Phoenix to Denver, for instance,

494
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,680
it's all open land. 
There's nothing. 

495
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,240
You just, you don't see any, 
hardly any towns at night. 

496
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:27,720
You can see a few towns because 
they have lights, but otherwise,

497
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:33,800
you know, the America's empty. 
But people say, oh, we, we have 

498
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,520
to, you know, get the population
rearranged or whatever. 

499
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,720
Have you played devil's 
advocate? 

500
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,800
So the idea of technocracy is 
society being run by engineers 

501
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,600
and scientists? 
It sounds pretty good. 

502
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,440
I live in Africa and things are 
very broken and and chaotic. 

503
00:36:52,720 --> 00:37:04,760
Why would it be a bad thing? 
Well, for, for one, the whole 

504
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,440
thing was disingenuous from from
the get go. 

505
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,120
It was a fraud from I think from
the the very start. 

506
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,520
But people will argue today that
well, because politicians have 

507
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,800
failed, society has failed 
whatever. 

508
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:34,560
And you, you need technology to,
to, to run your affairs. 

509
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:44,320
That, that however, that, that 
excludes personal autonomy for 

510
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,720
you. 
They'll make, they'll make all 

511
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:51,680
the decisions for you, for your 
life, and you won't have to make

512
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,760
any at all. 
Some people think that's a good 

513
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,360
thing. 
Good thing I don't. 

514
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,640
I think I, I would say probably 
if anybody thought about it, I 

515
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,080
don't want to, I don't want that
level of control. 

516
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,880
However, you know, the, the 
technocrats of the, of the 

517
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:17,120
world, especially in America, 
they're, they're overhyping 

518
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,040
everything they're doing at this
point. 

519
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,040
They say, oh, it's going to be 
wonderful. 

520
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,240
You can see, you know, just, 
it's just around the corner. 

521
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:30,040
Utopia is going to be upon us. 
Productivity is just going to 

522
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,480
soar. 
Everybody's going to get rich. 

523
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,920
Everybody's going to be healthy.
We're going to live forever. 

524
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,360
You know, this is basically a 
brave new world on a hype 

525
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:50,720
machine and you know it, It's, 
it's inconceivable that people 

526
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,920
would buy this crap. 
You know it's. 

527
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,800
Yeah, I mean, I mean it. 
Sounds good. 

528
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,320
I mean, I mean facetious, 
obviously, because if you just 

529
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,240
think about it, the COVID era 
was a very good example of a 

530
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:05,960
form of technocracy. 
Every single government 

531
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,480
everywhere just locked down 
everybody and try to centrally 

532
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,040
control our health. 
Yes, let me let me just say one 

533
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,320
thing about this. 
I when I when when COVID hit by 

534
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:25,480
February of 2020, I made a 
prediction that this was 

535
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:32,120
technocracies coup d'etat not 
based on the virus itself. 

536
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,920
The shot was in not view at that
point. 

537
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,600
But when I saw all of these 
universities suspicious for 

538
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,640
instance, the universities in in
England that were formally 

539
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,440
hyping climate change, global 
warming with bogus studies, 

540
00:39:52,280 --> 00:40:01,400
corrupted data, etcetera. 
When I saw these data 

541
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,200
scientists. 
At universities flipping over to

542
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:11,560
the, the COVID narrative, that's
all I that's that was the only 

543
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,480
clue that I needed at that point
to make that prediction because 

544
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,840
formally they run out of steam 
with climate change and global 

545
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,600
warming. 
It just they couldn't get any 

546
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,520
traction at all at that point. 
And so they flipped and mass 

547
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:37,440
over to supporting the new 
threat of the virus that was 

548
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,120
technocratic because all these 
universities, they were all 

549
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,360
bought up, bought off by 
Rockefeller money and the 

550
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,120
grants. 
And so that so on that they get 

551
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:52,400
in the 1st place these these so 
called diet data scientists. 

552
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:59,240
They were they were just re they
were repurposed, put it that 

553
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:05,680
way, maybe to support now this 
new narrative about COVID. 

554
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,440
That was a coup. 
That was a coup d'etat of 

555
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,600
technocracy at that point. 
These people have been waiting 

556
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,960
for this for all these years. 
First the fear of God was put 

557
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,680
into people because of global 
warming. 

558
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:26,880
Now they're the fear of God is 
put in them by the by the virus 

559
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,120
that that's all it was is just 
pure sham. 

560
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,560
And both of them are are 
invisible. 

561
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,280
Yes. 
So you can't fight it. 

562
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,240
You don't. 
You don't know how to argue it. 

563
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,320
Exactly that, that was a 
brilliant, brilliant plan. 

564
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,880
And, and if you look at it that 
way, these people, they 

565
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,360
couldn't, they could not have 
achieved their purposes more 

566
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,960
directly with, with any other 
plan. 

567
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,720
If you, if you, if you're going 
to fight something, make sure 

568
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:02,880
there's the, the enemy is 
invisible because because it's 

569
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,640
everywhere. 
It's everywhere. 

570
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,280
Well, Speaking of the enemy 
being invisible and everywhere, 

571
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,960
what do you then make of 
something like AI? 

572
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:22,360
Yeah, AI is not at this point, 
it's not being viewed as an 

573
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,960
enemy. 
That's probably the a big 

574
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:31,440
problem, in my opinion. 
It's being embraced by everybody

575
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:37,160
in the world, young people with 
companion apps, for instance, 

576
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,840
with AI being introduced to into
government systems like in the 

577
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:50,840
United States where AI now is 
taking over whole agencies in 

578
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,720
our government, top to bottom. 
Actually is is being used in, in

579
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,880
state governments as well as 
city governments as well. 

580
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,560
So there's a, a universal 
adoption of AI. 

581
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,920
Certainly there's some people 
who are anxious, like business 

582
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,040
owners might be anxious about 
it, but they're going along with

583
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,880
it anyway. 
It is invisible in that sense, 

584
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,240
but it has very profound effects
on this on society, because 

585
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:28,480
eventually it'll it'll end up 
with a situation of scientific 

586
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:34,720
dictatorship. 
So maybe this was the the 

587
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:38,440
ingenious thing about AI that it
is invisible in that sense. 

588
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,320
You can't touch it, you can't 
feel it is it exists in in the 

589
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,400
computers. 
But you know, if, if I had a, if

590
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,200
I had something like a thumb 
drive here, which I have in my 

591
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:58,040
in my hand, if, if this was an 
unlimited size thumb drive, say 

592
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,360
it had, I don't know TB of data 
on it, right? 

593
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,880
If this thing weighed 1 oz when 
I started, when I got it in my 

594
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,520
hand and now I loaded up with 
one terabyte of data, you know 

595
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,120
how much it weighs now? 
Same, same thing. 

596
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,280
This doesn't change. 
So the physical, the 

597
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,480
physicalness of data is not 
existent. 

598
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,960
It's it, it exists to be 
processed in a computer, ones 

599
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,440
and zeros, electricity, 
etcetera, but it has no mass. 

600
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,200
This is kind of kind of kind of 
striking. 

601
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,040
It's it's so invisible you can't
even hardly measure it. 

602
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,000
I don't know what the 
individuals 100 years ago would 

603
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,840
would like, but we know what 
some of them today are like. 

604
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:57,640
Like Elon Musk is very likeable.
Remember that Elon Musk's 

605
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:02,360
grandfather was head of 
technocracy in Canada in the 

606
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,400
1940s, so he understands 
technocracy very well, I have to

607
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,120
say. 
And he's also the richest man in

608
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:15,360
the on the planet right now. 
He's the, he's the chief 

609
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:22,240
architect of technocracy today. 
And people, some people love 

610
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,200
him, other people hate him at 
this point. 

611
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:32,520
But he's a grandstander. 
He knows to he knows how to make

612
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:38,400
it, make his case. 
He started his own political 

613
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,160
party now in America, I think 
it's called the America Party. 

614
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,240
And he thinks he's going to bust
the two party system in our 

615
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,600
country, Democrats and 
Republicans. 

616
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,800
Maybe he will, maybe he won't. 
But you can see there's an 

617
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:02,160
agenda under foot, under way 
with technocracy, with people 

618
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:09,360
like him and Peter Thiel, a 
David Sachs, Marc Andreessen, 

619
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,880
all these people from the 
original PayPal mafia in Silicon

620
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,120
Valley. 
Yeah. 

621
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,520
So you can see their agenda. 
They have, they have an agenda 

622
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,160
for sure. 
And they're playing it out very 

623
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,880
carefully, I might add. 
So, you know, Elon, Elon Musk is

624
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:42,360
kind of he's, he's, he's, he's, 
you can identify him as being on

625
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,200
his own mission. 
He he's not influenced by other 

626
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,880
people, I don't think. 
You don't think by Trump? 

627
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,480
No, I don't not, not at this 
point. 

628
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:59,160
All of his, his dance with Trump
leading up to the the election 

629
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,840
where he put all the money into 
the election to get Trump 

630
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:09,960
elected and then all the, the 
friendship they had after that. 

631
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,560
And now it blew up. 
And he now he hates Trump and 

632
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:18,440
their their odds with each other
and, and Elon Musk is doing now 

633
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,040
the America party. 
He's going to pursue his own 

634
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:27,120
vision, his own dream, all based
on the dark enlightenment 

635
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,880
philosophy. 
Now that's. 

636
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:34,160
Mentioned Mull bug I think OK. 
That's, that's exactly right. 

637
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:39,560
That's Curtis Yarvan and Lynn 
Nick Land, also from England. 

638
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:45,520
But this business of the dark 
Mag Mega and the Dark 

639
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,840
Enlightenment, this is so 
twisted. 

640
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,880
This is technocracy. 
This is the the political 

641
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,840
expression of technocracy now. 
And what these what these people

642
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,720
are trying to achieve is 
basically to step set up a mark 

643
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:04,840
monarchy on America where 
there's one leader that 

644
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,640
basically runs the whole country
like a start up. 

645
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,880
And basically it's that they're 
going to destroy democracy 

646
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,560
altogether and the 
constitutional democracy that we

647
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,480
have. 
And this this was their agenda 

648
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:24,800
from the from the get go. 
So you see, going back with 

649
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,120
Musk, for instance, you see when
he, when he bought Twitter 

650
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,360
originally, what was that all 
about? 

651
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:37,520
Well, he and he got a, a, a, a 
base of, of at least 700 million

652
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:45,520
users with Twitter. 
It's, it has survived and it's 

653
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,960
still here now. 
And they said, oh, I'm going to,

654
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:49,840
I'm going to promote free 
speech. 

655
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:54,760
I'm going to be a free speech 
absolutist, whatever that means.

656
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,480
And nobody questioned that at 
the time. 

657
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,800
But now the, the conservative 
movement and others have moved 

658
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,680
to Twitter now in mass to where 
now Twitter is being used, the 

659
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:14,240
feed off of Twitter, Twitter is 
being used to train his AI 

660
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,160
system called XAI. 
That's Grok. 

661
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:26,040
And now you, you also see that 
he has a a vision to create what

662
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,520
he calls the everything app, 
kind of like WeChat. 

663
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:34,360
And he wants to bolt in on the 
paying payment system based on 

664
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,680
crypto. 
He wants to have social credit 

665
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,800
scoring system kind of like 
China has. 

666
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:49,600
And so you you see his vision 
started with the acquisition of 

667
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:56,320
Twitter. 
Since then, all of the tech Bros

668
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,520
have moved away from the left 
into the right camp. 

669
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:07,680
They've all centred around Trump
now all of a sudden this was 

670
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,960
disingenuous as well because 
they were never political in the

671
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,160
1st place. 
They, they, they'll use whoever 

672
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:18,000
they can. 
So the tech Bros went over to 

673
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,800
Trump like Jeff Bezos, Mark 
Zuckerberg, all the all these 

674
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,600
people that used to be the 
leftists in our country. 

675
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,200
They just flip flopped over into
Trump camp. 

676
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:41,720
Now, now that Trump is in 5-5 
months in, he signed important 

677
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:45,320
legislation for technocracy to 
be moved ahead. 

678
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,880
People are asking now do they 
need Trump anymore? 

679
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,960
Is Trump a loose cannon now? 
It needs to be disposed of. 

680
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,360
And I think you're going to see 
this in the next few months 

681
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,560
where maybe maybe after our mid 
term elections. 

682
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,160
In any case, I think you're 
going to see a lot high, high 

683
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,520
likelihood that Trump is going 
to be dumped from the 

684
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:19,120
presidency. 
And that will leave our Vice 

685
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:24,440
president, JD Vance to be 
advanced into the to be 

686
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,680
president, right? 
Well, it just so happens that JD

687
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:33,080
Vance is a creation of Peter 
Thiel in the first place. 

688
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:41,040
Peter Thiel was the guy that 
that got Vance elected as a 

689
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:48,360
senator in Ohio. 
He, he gave tonnes of money to 

690
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,440
him to be elected. 
Then he positioned him to get 

691
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,360
into the be the, the vice 
president to run with with 

692
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:03,440
Trump. 
Well, Peter Thiel and JD Vance 

693
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:10,240
are on the same wavelength 
because Vance never had a job 

694
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:17,040
outside of Peter Thiel that he 
when he got out of law school or

695
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,880
Yale, he the only person he 
worked for was Peter Thiel. 

696
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,800
He was groomed by Peter Thiel to
be where he is right now. 

697
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,920
So they set up a situation now 
where Trump is could be 

698
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:38,360
discarded, if you will. 
If, if, if, if Teal's vision is 

699
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:47,840
realised by advancing Vance into
the presidency, it's game over 

700
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,560
for America at that point. 
What? 

701
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,480
Is your view on Trump? 
Pardon. 

702
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,080
Sorry, sorry for interrupting. 
What is your, your view on 

703
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,640
Trump? 
That that I mean, he, he comes 

704
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:02,800
off like, like a blockhead and 
he's very self important and 

705
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,840
everything's beautiful and, and 
that, you know, America first 

706
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,720
and he's going to be the first 
to do everything. 

707
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,400
What do you make of him? 
You know, I, it's hard to, it's 

708
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,560
hard to have an opinion that 
doesn't change like with or 

709
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,880
when, you know, well, he's 
today. 

710
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,200
If he does something good, 
everybody cheers. 

711
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,200
Well, you know, he's, he's just 
like the, the border is more 

712
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,600
secure than it was before that. 
That's a good thing. 

713
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:38,440
He's probably done some things 
to promote a little bit of 

714
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,600
religious freedom in America, 
maybe. 

715
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,080
I mean, he's not a technocrat, 
do you think? 

716
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,000
Not exactly, but he's played. 
He's played the role of a 

717
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,600
technocrat. 
Nevertheless. 

718
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,840
There was an article that I ran 
on Technocracy News, and I want 

719
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:04,960
to say probably 2017, maybe 6, I
think it was 16 that suggested 

720
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:10,000
that Trump was a technocrat. 
That was, that's a great 

721
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,680
article, but I think it made the
point he was, he was advancing 

722
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:20,880
or he was supporting initiatives
that we're clearly technocratic 

723
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,000
in nature. 
That was the only point we see 

724
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,240
now. 
He's he's, he's all on board 

725
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:32,480
with anything that technocrats 
want to do, crypto, 

726
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,080
cryptocurrency, AI and 
government, etcetera. 

727
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,600
The, you know, supporting the 
data centres all over, all over 

728
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,160
the Stargate. 
Stargate Yeah. 

729
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,720
So this is this is a 
continuation of his policies 

730
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:54,120
from his last presidency and I 
But on the other hand, it 

731
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,280
doesn't mean that he is a pure 
technocrat. 

732
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,120
He has no engineering background
at all. 

733
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,040
I don't think he, in fact, 
somebody reported that he 

734
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,640
doesn't even use a smartphone. 
So. 

735
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,800
OK, well, there's people like 
that, that, that they're, 

736
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,920
they're in business, but they, 
they don't want any part of 

737
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,800
technology. 
They run everything in their 

738
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,000
head. 
That seems to be Trump. 

739
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:25,320
And so he's he's obviously 
favourable towards the 

740
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:30,360
technocrats at this point. 
He's a he's, he's advancing 

741
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,320
their agenda all over the place.
But I think in the end, if he, 

742
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:42,320
if they, if they count him out, 
if he's, if he's downsized, just

743
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:47,600
so to speak, or he's access to 
this, that's the, the human 

744
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,960
resources term that we use in 
America. 

745
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,000
If you're excess, that means 
you're, you know, hit the hit 

746
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:58,320
the road Jack. 
That would be a perfect power 

747
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:04,160
play at that point to get to 
capture the presidency, to put 

748
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:10,040
all your people in place. 
They basically this has happened

749
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,960
in Washington, DC already with 
the with the, with Doge, for 

750
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:19,320
instance, that came in and swept
the whole country with AI and 

751
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:29,920
personnel replacement. 
So Trump, on the other hand, he 

752
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,840
has a huge base with the MAGA 
movement that was that was a 

753
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:44,360
cult of personality. 
I think by and large is is it, 

754
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:50,720
is it genuine? 
Well, I think the MAGA movement 

755
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:54,200
is going to be splintered into 
1000 pieces in the end. 

756
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,440
I think it's happening right 
now. 

757
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,560
So where, where will that end? 
I don't know. 

758
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:05,240
But my guess is there's the 
possibility that Trump could be 

759
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:11,720
the most hated president in 
history before he's done. 

760
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:21,840
So Technocracy is essentially a 
central control grid where 

761
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,400
everything is centralised and 
decisions are made for you and 

762
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,440
you don't really know. 
You're kind of a slave, but you 

763
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,440
don't have physical shackles 
around your ankles. 

764
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,040
That's right, you know, like a 
15 minute city where you'll 

765
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,200
start getting penalised if you 
go beyond those, those borders, 

766
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,160
that sort of thing. 
But if this has been building 

767
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,760
for the last 100 years, a deist 
is it, is it even stoppable? 

768
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,080
I mean, how do you resist? 
How do you push back? 

769
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,280
At this point, it's probably not
stoppable. 

770
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,120
I can't. 
I can't conceive any way that 

771
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,320
can be stopped at this point. 
You'll have, for instance, 

772
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:12,160
federal troops guarding these 
data centres that are being 

773
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,880
erected around around the 
country because if people wanted

774
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,160
to blow them up. 
So you're going to see there 

775
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:26,720
there's going to be a huge that 
will put put it this way, the, 

776
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:33,560
the teeth, the iron teeth are, 
are going to, they'll be bared 

777
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,760
when push comes to shove on this
whole thing. 

778
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,880
I think you're going to see the 
crackdown on free speech. 

779
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,240
You're going to see a crackdown 
on society. 

780
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:53,840
You're going to see a crackdown 
in mental health. 

781
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,800
But we really saw that down the 
last two years. 

782
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,080
They literally stopped people 
from moving. 

783
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:12,120
Yes, exactly. 
Yeah, today there's. 

784
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:18,640
I did the statistic yesterday, I
found there's 200 million 

785
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:25,240
people, mostly young people 
around the world who were using 

786
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:30,040
companion apps. 
They're free freely available on

787
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:39,120
the app stores like on Android 
and iOS Apple Store 200 million 

788
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,320
that I just counted all the 
subscribers that they said they 

789
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:53,920
had and consider 200 million 
young people being immersed into

790
00:59:54,680 --> 01:00:00,080
AI with a with a imaginary 
friend, if you will, or 

791
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,720
girlfriend or man friend or 
whatever. 

792
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:10,040
Imagine the psychosis that will 
result from this escape from a 

793
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,520
reality. 
It's it's stunning. 

794
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,200
We've never seen anything like 
this in the history of the 

795
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,640
world. 
And now? 

796
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:25,920
The the systems like Grok and 
Open AI, they're openly 

797
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,880
promoting their own versions 
now. 

798
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,800
They haven't released them, I 
don't think quite yet, but 

799
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,520
they're they're releasing at 
some point their own version of 

800
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,480
a companion app that will 
remember everything about you 

801
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,520
and it will direct you in your 
life. 

802
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,320
You know I. 
Already have one of those, 

803
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,040
Patrick. 
I already have one of those. 

804
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:55,840
It's called my wife. 
You you're right. 

805
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,720
She knows everything about me 
and everything that I'm about to

806
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,280
do also. 
Yes, that's, that's good. 

807
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:10,680
I remember that one. 
So we, we, we, we face these 

808
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,880
type of problems. 
The technocrats are driving this

809
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,080
on purpose though. 
That's my point then this, this 

810
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:23,880
is not just Oh well it just 
happened and so it happened. 

811
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,200
Get with, you know, deal with 
it. 

812
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:26,960
No, that's not how this 
happened. 

813
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:36,080
These people are are openly 
promoting anti human systems, 

814
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:45,160
anti democratic systems, anti 
civilization systems 

815
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,280
intentionally. 
There's no mistaking anything 

816
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,240
about it. 
It's absolutely just crazy. 

817
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:59,880
And this, this whole 
philosophical thing that's 

818
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:06,840
driving them at this point is so
bizarre that normal, normal 

819
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,400
people, maybe I'm not normal, I 
don't know, but I think I'm I 

820
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,720
think I am. 
But normal people would look at 

821
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,480
this if they understood it. 
Say you, you can't say that you 

822
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:22,520
can't do that or whatever, but 
this is so weird, this 

823
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,840
philosophy that they've adopted 
at this point. 

824
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,680
The technocracy is weird by 
itself. 

825
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:33,320
But when you layer on all this 
nonsense with a dark 

826
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,880
enlightenment that Curtis 
Yarvin's talking about, that 

827
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,560
Peter Thiel was in love with 
Yarvin in the 1st place, and 

828
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:50,000
Elon Musk is basing his American
party on Yarvinism and you and 

829
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,600
you understand how dark 
Yarvinism is. 

830
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:59,120
This guy hates society. 
He hates democracy. 

831
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:04,360
He hates basically anything that
has to do outside of, you know, 

832
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,200
direct control over your 
behaviour. 

833
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,120
And we've never, we've never 
faced this before, this type of 

834
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:20,440
an ideology, humanity has never 
faced this, faced this and mass 

835
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,520
and how, how can we get rid of 
it? 

836
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,560
Well, you can't get rid of it 
until you understand how evil 

837
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,480
the, the philosophy is in the 
1st place and reject it. 

838
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,760
But people are not rejecting it 
at this point. 

839
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,520
And this is really just really 
disturbing. 

840
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,720
I said right at the very 
beginning of our conversation 

841
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:47,680
that living in place like South 
Africa or some African country 

842
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:52,560
or some place that's generally 
seen as backwards could be a 

843
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,400
safe haven later on, at least 
for a bit longer. 

844
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,200
Yes. 
What do you think, Prop? 

845
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,760
I think you're right. 
On one hand, I could see that. 

846
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,840
On the other hand, we see people
like Bill Gates, for instance, 

847
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:12,240
going into African companies or 
countries or other to test his 

848
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:16,760
crazy genetic schemes and his 
medicines and vaccines and all 

849
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,720
that kind of stuff. 
And the people would just eat, 

850
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,800
they eat it up. 
I guess they have no no other 

851
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,880
choice but I. 
Think it was in Kenya where he 

852
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,360
did one. 
We did a horrible one. 

853
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,000
I can't remember. 
Yes, yeah. 

854
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:38,920
He's he's he's been well, you 
can understand probably his 

855
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,160
logic. 
I can't test this in America 

856
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:47,040
because they'd they'd hang me. 
So let's yeah. 

857
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,800
We can, we can test it on some, 
on some poor black Africans. 

858
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,280
Nobody cares about them anyway. 
That should be. 

859
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,080
That should be, he's thinking. 
Exactly. 

860
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:05,120
So the another aspect of testing
technology outside of the United

861
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:09,000
States and maybe Europe as well,
I don't know, but at least out 

862
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:16,360
of the United States we've seen 
gain of gain of function 

863
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:22,320
research on viruses farmed out 
to. 

864
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,800
China. 
Right in the 1st place that 

865
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,080
they, they couldn't do this. 
They, they couldn't do this 

866
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,280
legally in America. 
They would have been shot 

867
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,200
creating viruses like like 
COVID. 

868
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:47,000
So they farmed it out with money
given to China to develop the, 

869
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,920
the, the, the virus in the 1st 
place. 

870
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,320
OK. 
Then it came back and destroyed 

871
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:56,480
our country. 
So you have examples of this 

872
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,520
where, for instance, 
surveillance technology is being

873
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,400
exported to Ukraine and other 
countries. 

874
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:11,880
Turkey is another one where the 
where it would not play in 

875
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,880
America to do this type of 
thing. 

876
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:18,200
But for for UK Ukraine, that's 
that's a perfect place for 

877
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,400
Palantir, for instance, to test 
the software. 

878
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:28,320
And who cares about Ukraine is a
hot war going on and you know, 

879
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,880
it doesn't matter. 
And so they're re re importing 

880
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,560
this technology back to America.
Again, we've seen this well in 

881
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:43,400
just in Kenya, for instance, the
the shots that were so lethal to

882
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:49,000
us were tested in other 
countries, like in Kenya, 

883
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:56,160
Africa. 
This has been a pattern over 50 

884
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:00,960
years at least, maybe more, 
where Americans were not used to

885
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,480
test anything. 
The the evil stuff that's been 

886
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,640
developed has always been 
developed and with other legal 

887
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:13,400
systems, with other societies. 
And when they when they got 

888
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,680
their way there, then they 
figured now I could we could 

889
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,280
bring it back to the rest of the
world. 

890
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:24,880
It's coming for landing, 
Patrick. 

891
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,200
It's a rather grim outlook that 
you, that you presented. 

892
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,800
I was hoping for for a silver 
lining for a bit of hope. 

893
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:39,480
Well, here's here's, here's, 
here's the worst that several 

894
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,720
silver lining exists Is is right
here. 

895
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:49,520
It's right here in America. 
I can't speak for any other 

896
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:59,760
country, but in America, people 
have purposely almost declared 

897
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,560
themselves to be brain dead to, 
to all this stuff. 

898
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,200
They won't think, they won't 
think about it. 

899
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,560
What what it, what it means, if 
they want it in the first place 

900
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,960
at all, or if they just go along
with it, say, well, hey, you 

901
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,279
know, that's life. 
You know, stuff happens, stuff 

902
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:19,800
changes. 
And so my life is going to be 

903
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,840
different in, in the next few 
years and well, may I, I'll lose

904
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,040
my job and I'll never be 
employed again. 

905
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:32,359
And, and I'm going to be kept by
the, the state with universal 

906
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:33,880
basic income. 
No problem. 

907
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:36,680
You know, people don't think 
that that way. 

908
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:42,200
They, they think, well, how, how
can I get food on my table table

909
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:46,120
next, next week? 
I'm, I'm, I'm worried about next

910
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,399
week, not next month, not next 
year. 

911
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:57,279
But if people were willing to 
think this through, they would 

912
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:01,800
immediately reject it. 
They would immediately reject 

913
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,960
it. 
And remember, we in, in the 40s,

914
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:11,319
people in America threw 
technocracy out on his ear. 

915
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:17,960
They they political cartoonist, 
for instance, were, were 

916
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,880
depicting technocracy is the 
devouring monster that was 

917
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,000
eating New York City. 
You know, they got the picture, 

918
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,040
they, they understood where it 
is going. 

919
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,319
But this mindset has been lost 
now. 

920
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,920
And you see the people just 
embracing this thing or they're,

921
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:41,040
they willingly ignore it. 
But if they would just engage 

922
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,880
their brain to think about it 
for a while, they would 

923
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,000
understand. 
And that would be the first line

924
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,640
of defence if people would do 
that. 

925
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:53,720
The second thing is people need 
to get out in their own local 

926
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,000
communities. 
Forget national that's, that's 

927
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,880
gone. 
But they can, they can protect 

928
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,880
themselves if they get a hold of
their city councils and their 

929
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,440
their their boards that run 
their local communities and 

930
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:08,200
stuff. 
Educate these people to don't 

931
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,480
let this stuff come in our 
community. 

932
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,880
There have been many, many 
communities in America, for 

933
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:22,880
instance, who outlawed facial 
recognition technology and, and 

934
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,920
the police departments and 
elsewhere, they just said, no, 

935
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,640
we're not going to do here. 
You don't, but you don't read 

936
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,120
about those stories. 
But they're because they're all 

937
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,600
suppressed. 
They, they, they never see the 

938
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:40,360
light of day. 
So there there is hope on a 

939
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,920
local basis that you can do 
things to protect yourself 

940
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:52,680
against the incursion of things 
like AI surveillance, etcetera. 

941
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,880
But at this point most people 
are are asleep, asleep in the at

942
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,440
the switch and they don't want 
to go in. 

943
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:05,160
They don't don't want to even 
meet their City Council members.

944
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,040
They don't know him, they don't 
care to meet him. 

945
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:15,240
And so they get a free pass. 
I hope. 

946
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:21,080
I hope this resonates for 
anybody in the world, but 

947
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:25,080
especially in America. 
If you can't engage your own 

948
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:29,280
brain to think this through and 
come to a better conclusion, 

949
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,920
then don't complain. 
What you get in the end, it's 

950
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,800
all I can say. 
All right, Patrick, how can I 

951
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,680
keep up with your work? 
Technocracy dot news. 

952
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,080
That's the simple place. 
Technocracy dot news. 

953
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,240
You've been to, you've been to 
South Africa, if I remember 

954
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,200
correctly. 
Long, long ago. 

955
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,200
Not. 
Not recently. 

956
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,600
Do you want it? 
Do you know you want to hear the

957
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:57,960
story? 
Yes, yes. 

958
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:05,200
Tell me quickly. 
In the 1970s, I teamed up with a

959
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,440
gentleman gentleman here in 
America. 

960
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:12,520
His name was Don Mcelvaney. 
We started an organisation 

961
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,600
called Americans Concerned for 
South Africa. 

962
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:24,680
We changed the name to Americans
Concerned about Southern Africa.

963
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:29,080
But nevertheless, we started out
with South Africa when we saw 

964
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:36,880
the attacks being launched by 
the the communist forces, 

965
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,600
Marxist forces moving into 
Southern Africa. 

966
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,000
From the Angolan side. 
Pardon. 

967
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,640
From the Angolan side. 
Exactly. 

968
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:56,200
So we saw a threat and so we 
wanted to get American 

969
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,920
legislators, journalists, 
whatever, to see what's going on

970
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:04,200
down there. 
So we sponsored trips to Africa 

971
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,800
or South Africa and Rhodesia as 
well. 

972
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,880
Angola, we had one of Angola a 
goal as well. 

973
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:15,800
And so we had Geo. 
We set up geopolitical tours 

974
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:20,760
where our groups could be 
addressed by your leaders, 

975
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:27,920
military police leaders, 
legislators, etcetera and and 

976
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:35,160
journalists as well. 
And this is how it came to an 

977
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:39,120
end. 
There was a blood contract 

978
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:46,000
issued on the founder or the, 
the guy Don who was in South 

979
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:51,320
Africa and well, we couldn't go 
back again. 

980
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,760
The, the police down there told 
us if you, if you, if you come 

981
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,240
back here, you're going to get 
killed one way or another. 

982
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,760
And that was when the ANC 
basically was in charge of 

983
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:08,120
everything and they hated, they 
hated their, our guts because 

984
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:13,080
we're, we were the force 
standing against them and we're,

985
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:18,280
we were exposing them to the 
American press especially so. 

986
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,320
Well, I still controlled 
everything today. 

987
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,200
Yeah, I know, nothing has 
changed. 

988
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:29,040
No, but I do hope you do make a 
trip here again in the future. 

989
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,720
I would like to I love, I love 
your country. 

990
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:35,960
I really do have so many friends
from South Africa over the 

991
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,360
years. 
I don't know how that happened, 

992
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:43,560
but we we developed a kind of a 
friendship with a bunch of 

993
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,440
people and now they had they had
children and grandchildren, 

994
01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:48,480
whatever. 
We just kind of grow up, grew up

995
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,400
with it, right. 
But I love your country. 

996
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,800
I always have all. 
Right. 

997
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:58,280
Well, on that rather pleasant 
note, Patrick, let's let's go 

998
01:14:58,280 --> 01:14:59,560
home. 
Thank you for joining me in the 

999
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,960
trenches. 
You've got my pleasure.