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Good afternoon. 
It's Wednesday the 24th of April

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2024, just after 1:00. 
Welcome to UK Column News. 

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I'm your host, Mike Robinson, 
joining me by video link. 

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Today we have Vanessa Bailey and
Charles Mallett. 

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Welcome to the programme both. 
We're going to get started today

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with defence spending and, well,
this is the latest report from 

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the Stockholm International 
Peace Research Institute which 

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is having a look at defence 
spending across the world. 

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And of course the timing of this
is quite appropriate as we'll 

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come on to in a second with 
Rishi Sunak in Poland yesterday.

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But they're saying that the 
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reached 2400 and $43 billion in 
2023 and that's an overall 

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increase of 6.8%. 
We'll look at the country 

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spending in a second. 
This is a comment from Nan Tian 

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saying states are prioritising 
military strength, but they risk

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an action reaction spiral in the
increasingly volatile 

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geopolitical and security 
landscape. 

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So this is the first time since 
2009 that spending has been up 

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right across the globe. 
So let's just have a look at 

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some of the details of this. 
United States is up to these 

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figures are the total that 
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That's not the amount that it's 
gone up by. 

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So it's up to $916 billion. 
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in 2023, more spending this year
of course already. 

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But in 2023, across all the 
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whole, all 31 member states 
accounted for 1341 billion of 

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that 2443. 
So that's over 55%. 

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Russia is up to $109 billion, so
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Hardly surprising. 
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course, is that the Ministry of 
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propaganda telling us on their 
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Russia is no longer an exporter 
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Hardly surprising under the 
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China up to $296 billion and 
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And Japan in the same region has
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But Ukraine is now one of the 
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anyway, so they're up to £64.8 
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That is 37% of its GDP, which 
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Sunak announced for the UK 
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Perhaps in one cut in one sense.
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to get more money from abroad, 
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quite some time. 
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funding seems to be broken and I
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billion heading over to Ukraine 
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So there he is, our glorious 
Leader with Poland's Glorious 

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Leader Leader Donald Tusk 
yesterday with flowers on the 

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table that all looks very nice 
while they're talking about 

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death and destruction across the
world. 

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So let's just have a little look
from Rishi or a little listen to

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what he had to say yesterday. 
We did not choose this moment, 

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but it falls to us to meet it. 
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threats, we must show our 
enemies that we are resolute and

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determined, that their attempts 
to destabilise our world or 

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redraw its borders by force will
fail. 

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That with our friends and our 
allies, we'll be at the 

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forefront of the defence of the 
free, democratic world. 

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And under my leadership, the 
United Kingdom will always stand

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up for our interests, deter our 
enemies, and defend our values. 

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So hopefully that didn't make 
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I'll it certainly did me at 1:00
earlier on when I watched it for

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the first time. 
But let's see what they were 

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pumping out on Twitter this 
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Because great propaganda here, 
£75 billion new funding secured 

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to fund the greatest 
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Defence since the Cold War. 
To defend the UK and help 

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Ukraine defend freedom's 
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With a record 3 billion this 
year. 

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To lead in a more dangerous 
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From native's eastern flank to 
the Pacific. 

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With our Aucus allies. 
To modernize our armed forces. 

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To be able to fight and win 
against an enemy. 

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To support service personnel at 
the dawn of a dangerous era when

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we need them more. 
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industry on a war footing with 
at least £10 billion extra for 

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munitions. 
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conventional forces we need to 
deter rising threats. 

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So of course while he was in 
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Stoltenberg and they of course 
were extremely excited with this

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extra spending. 
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on this? 
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And I think this is just a sort 
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really, because of course 
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money, which I will come on to 
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completely nonsensical would be 
the word I choose. 

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Yes, yes, indeed. 
So let's come to your segment 

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then Charles. 
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production line in the UK as a 
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Well, yes, the announcement that
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iteration in the UKS main battle
tank, has rolled off the 

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production line, although not 
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here we see the Army advertising
the soon to be capability or at 

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least relatively soon. 
Ryan Metal BAE Systems building 

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the tank. 
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about the prosperity in securing
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And critically, and this is the 
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buying 148 of these vehicles at 
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So it is a lot of money, but I'd
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This is my copy of the 
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release of the original 
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noting then that the MOD bought 
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So as Popular Mechanics asks or 
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Whilst it is a new tank and it 
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are not going to be very many of
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And indeed to set it within the 
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Ukraine and Russia at the 
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The defence of Ukraine. 
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claim to have destroyed 6739 
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2022. 
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fiction, but nonetheless, 148 
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that total, whichever way you 
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small number. 
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out on the the actual capability
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the situation that the the 
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and of course the armed forces 
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with an Israeli capability, the 
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effectively is designed to if we
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designed to be able to repel an 
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We just look at the the the text
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the Trophy MV medium variant 
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Israeli Defence Force. 
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that when something's fired 
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activates itself and is supposed
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the projectile. 
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says a final decision on trophy 
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of course it means in effect 
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of the technology of this 
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country or indeed an 
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this country, which might not be
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think is worth noting. 
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what Mike's been talking about, 
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disconnect between the equipment
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So we got the MOD equipment plan
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Committee of Public Accounts 
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they state that there's a £16.9 
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DS capability requirement and 
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perhaps book cooking exercises 
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12 billion more to fund all the 
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the Med has not had the 
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by making the difficult choices 
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it can and cannot afford. 
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suspend 2.5% of GDP on defence 
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not credibly demonstrated to 
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its funding to deliver the 
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capabilities that government 
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And just to reinforce Mike's 
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Minister on a visit to Poland 
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additional funding to Ukraine 
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billion. 
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3 development is in some ways a 
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overall context of armoured 
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if we're talking about some kind
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it's it's a meaningless gesture 
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of it of course is is, well, a 
confused picture to say the 

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least. 
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course, the old Challenger tanks
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just to become scrapped once 
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seems to be the scrap yard in 
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another defence partnership. 
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agreements, the Achan treaty and
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they've decided that they have 
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security cooperation as the 
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for a joint endeavour to develop
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millimetre wheels, artillery 
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So this continues. 
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plane to in Germany. 
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there. 
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The sub headline here is to halt
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needs more boots on the ground. 
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acknowledgement here that 
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the ground have already been 
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Ukraine is running out of boots 
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in the war. 
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provide boots on the ground to 
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Russia is going to win this war.
It is a pretty horrible comment 

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from foreign affairs here, and, 
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and comment on it themselves. 
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She's EU KS Permanent 
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had this to say yesterday, 
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sexual violence is not an 
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The UK remains committed to 
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violence and maybe if you look 
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case. 
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pretty reprehensible position to
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basically saying is that murder 
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that, we'll we'll continue to 
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It's the rape and the pillage 
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that somehow can can be excluded
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as long as we keep the murder 
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Vanessa, I just wanted to get 
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it seems to me that the way that
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warfare is to stop the warfare. 
Absolutely. 

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But also, of course, there is 
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Ukraine's part in child 
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prostitution trafficking, which 
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a pattern, of course, but still 
it's it's disgusting hypocrisy 

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as usual. 
Yeah, 100 percent, 100%. 

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OK, well, let's move on then for
more hypocrisy here, because of 

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course I can't remember how long
ago we were talking about this, 

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but the the narrative, the 
Captagun, the drug is now Syria 

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is the main source of this drug 
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There has been an update on this
story. 

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Yes, there has. 
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while back on Abbca documentary 
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three other media related 
outlets funded by the UK Foreign

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Office by the National Endowment
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In other words, EIA and American
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and Saudi Arabian media outlets 
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Now one interesting point that I
want to make here, I was looking

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into this in the last few days 
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free. 
Funnily enough, until the regime

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change war began in 2011 and 12 
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various derivatives were using 
the drug to carry out suicide 

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bombing and also just to ensure 
their ability to continue 

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fighting even when they were 
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So the Captigan 2 bill is on its
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urgent legislative package. 
This was a report yesterday and 

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the media is full of reports on 
Syria being a narco state. 

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It was voted across both parties
364 and 58 against. 

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Headlines like this are flooding
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So ISIS terrorists, which are 
proxies of the UK, US cartel in 

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Syria are intent on regime 
change. 

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They're taking captagon 
superhuman drug that makes them 

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charge at tanks. 
Yes, that's a real headline. 

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But what is quite extraordinary 
here is that the argument is the

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President Assad is going to 
personally produce a drug which 

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enables ISIS to carry out 
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and civilians inside Syria. 
Just as we're supposed to 

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believe that President Assad 
would launch chemical weapon 

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attacks against his own 
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are about to liberate those 
civilians. 

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So again, we have this sort of 
mass suspension of disbelief 

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across the media. 
Who's one of the people 

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responsible for the sponsorship 
of this bill and others that I'm

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going to mention, US 
Congressman, Republican, French 

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Hill, Second District of 
Arkansas. 

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And he's basically brought in a 
law package called peace through

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strength. 
I would replace that with force 

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in the 21st century. 
So let's have a look at what 

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those bills include. 
Provisions included in a package

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fighting against foreign 
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national security, of course. 
And who are their allies? 

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Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. 
No guesses over why they are 

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their allies, But let's have a 
look here what he says. 

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Basically, Syrian President 
Bashar al-Assad is a 

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transnational drug kingpin. 
The hyperbole is getting more 

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and more extreme. 
Who exploits his dangerous drug 

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Captagun to generate billions in
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families in Syria and the 
region? 

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Now what's interesting? 
They're claiming that the income

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from Captagun in Syria is 57 
billion. 

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The GDP? 
The entire GTBGDP. 

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Sorry of Jordan is less than 50 
billion. 

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So I'll let people work that out
for themselves. 

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And in 2021 it was described as 
5.7 billion. 

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So he's brought in the illicit 
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suppression Act. 
He's also brought in the holding

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Iranian Sorry, you never mind 
holding Iranians accountable for

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their global terrorism. 
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effectively skin in the game. 
In August 2023, he visited 

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northwest Syria in the presence 
of the Syrian emergency 

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passports who also facilitated 
the smuggling end of John McCain

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in 2013 to meet with ISIS and 
other terrorist leaders. 

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And in the same way, French Hill
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including the White Helmet in 
northwest Syria when he came in 

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illegally. 
He's also being reported to have

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been supporting the separatist 
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Swedar in in southern Syria, 
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leader of the separatist 
movement that's backed by Israel

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and the United States in 
southern Syria. 

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And then if we move on, I just 
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So let's have a look. 
This was on an article that I 

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was reading. 
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Now comes the Taliban narco 
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Well that's interesting because 
opium was not a problem under 

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the Taliban. 
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after the US invasion. 
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the verge of becoming a narco 
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Myanmar emergence of a narco 
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borders, Guinea Bissau, micro 
state, narco state, and Syria 

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has become a narco state. 
Is this becoming a pattern Mike?

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Well, let's go back to 1971 and 
Nixon's war on drugs display 

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this very short introduction. 
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this statement which I think 
needs to be made to the nation. 

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America's Public Enemy number 
one in the United States is drug

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abuse. 
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this enemy, it is necessary to 
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I've asked the Congress to 
provide the legislative 

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authority and the funds to fuel 
this kind of an offensive. 

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This will be a worldwide 
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problems of sources of supply as
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stationed abroad wherever they 
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It will be government wide 
pulling together the nine 

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different fragmented areas where
within the government in which 

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this problem is now being 
handled. 

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Does this sound familiar? 
So you have the war on drugs. 

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What happens of course 
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Drug trade increases, the War on
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What happens is terrorism 
increases exponentially 

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worldwide. 
And of course, what this was 

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used to do by the Nixon 
administration was to isolate 

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economically and politically 
Latin American states back then.

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And not forgetting, of course, 
that the US could potentially be

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described as a narco state. 
It has a 500 billion income from

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the drug trade into the US 
economy, which is almost 

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equivalent to their defence 
spending. 

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And it's renowned for funding 
both sides of the drug trade and

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of course laundering money from 
the drug trade, providing money 

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and arms to both the security 
forces that are fighting the 

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drug trade while supplying 
weapons and support to the 

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actual drug cartels that are 
running the drug trafficking. 

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And of course the US is I think 
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globally. 
So very interesting here in the 

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fact that they were responsible 
for the introduction of the drug

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Cactagon in the 1st place 
through the terrorist proxies 

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and and again echoes of the 
Kosovo Liberation Army that run 

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its forces, ran its forces on 
amongst other things on drug 

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trafficking, drug manufacturing,
drug trade while being supported

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of course by the West. 
And KLA were effectively 

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predominantly Al Qaeda. 
So I just want to give one 

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example. 
So in 2021 in Saudi Arabia, they

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came up with a story that 
millions of Captagon pills, if 

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you just move on like this, had 
been brought in to Saudi Arabia 

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in a consignment of pomegranates
from Lebanon. 

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And as a result, they basically 
shut down all imports from 

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Lebanon, bearing in mind that 
this was months after the 

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disastrous, catastrophic Beirut 
blast in late 2020. 

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So they effectively cut back one
of the few areas of trade with 

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Lebanon, while increasing trade 
for the same products from 

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Israel. 
And this was designed 

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effectively to politically 
isolate and undermine Hezbollah 

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inside Lebanon. 
Because of course, Hezbollah, as

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his President Assad in Syria, 
are blamed for the production of

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this particular drug. 
Now what is this war on drugs 

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which appears to be re emerging 
since 1971? 

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Of course, it's designed to 
stigmatize target nations, to 

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isolate them politically and 
economically, and to enable and 

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facilitate further sanctions on 
an already unprecedentedly 

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sanctioned country, which is. 
Syria in reality increases drug 

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field violence because the US as
we've seen, and Mexico is. 

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Mexico is funding both sides of 
the drug war potential to 

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orchestrate a failed state. 
In other words, to to bring an 

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already weakened state which has
resisted regime change, to its 

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knees. 
And of course, it prevents 

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peaceful resolution and 
facilitates further Western 

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military intervention once the 
drug field violence has reached 

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a pitch so cynical marketing 
here by the West in yet another 

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attempt to to completely 
destabilise Syria. 

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And I mean you're talking about 
Syria, you've talked about much 

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broad many other countries 
there, Vanessa, but but we've 

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got to understand the scope, the
scale and the scope of this. 

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It's not just about Syria or the
other countries that you've 

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mentioned. 
It is a global thing and we 

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should remember that, you know, 
George W or George Bush senior 

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was accused of using the drugs 
trade to fund CIA black 

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operations when he was working 
for the CICIA prior to him 

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becoming President of the United
States. 

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So you know the, as you say, the
drugs trade is a major driver 

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for a lot of the wrongs that we 
see in the world these days And 

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for the last, for for the last 
100 years or so, the war on on 

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drugs has has not solved 
anything. 

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And I mean the the the fentanyl 
situation in the United States 

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is off the charts. 
It's the same. 

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It's increasingly a problem in 
Scotland as well. 

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So that problem is coming to 
this country as well. 

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But people often sort of dismiss
this as being irrelevant because

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it's it's happening in Syria or 
it's happening in Lebanon or 

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it's happening in Saudi Arabia. 
This affects us on a daily 

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basis. 
Absolutely. 

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And if you look at a number of 
articles actually on the war on 

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drugs under Nixon, what it was 
weaponized to do was to actually

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attack the kind of anti anti war
left wing back then 

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organisations and to target them
as being affiliates of drug 

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trade or being in support of 
narco state etcetera. 

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So you're absolutely right. 
Just as everything that we 

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protest against can be used 
against us, if it's spun in in 

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the right way, then this is very
much also what is coming. 

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And plus, as you said, the 
introduction of these drugs that

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even when it was production was 
stopped in 1986 but continued in

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Bulgaria and was then smuggled 
into the Arab Peninsula by 

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Turkish and Balkan drug 
trafficking cartels. 

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So, you know, the fact is that 
who is moving all of these drugs

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around the world and using them 
against populations to 

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destabilise and be and to 
stigmatise these populations. 

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Yeah, indeed. 
OK, Vanessa, thank you very much

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Jackie, welcome to the 

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What's the response been like to

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Health defence in the United 
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Yeah, it's been pretty amazing 
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I've got some really good 
comments on social media. 

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People are still watching it 
every day. 

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So yeah, I'm not sure how many 
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I haven't actually checked and I

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Can you see the figures on 

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I don't have the figures to 

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hand, but but, but the response 
in the forums has been extremely

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positive. 
As I say, very dark topic, of 

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course, because we're talking 
about deaths in the National 

456
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,960
Health Service, but nonetheless 
people very appreciative of the 

457
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,760
work you've done here. 
Yeah, I haven't had any negative

458
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,480
comments at all, which is quite 
unusual. 

459
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,840
When you when you put something 
out that you've made, they've 

460
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,840
all been very positive, mostly 
very shocked. 

461
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,880
You know I think a lot of people
have have a rough idea but 

462
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,280
demoside is a thing and then it 
is happening especially after 

463
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,520
the first film that I made a 
good death with iconic. 

464
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,680
You know we've talked a lot 
about euthanasia or mainly about

465
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,040
euthanasia in that so. 
But this film is a much broader 

466
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,080
look at demoside death by 
government policy. 

467
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,960
All different types of of of 
deaths. 

468
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,680
People who've died in in, in, in
trials for for untested drugs, 

469
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,360
people who've died from the jab.
People who've died from 

470
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,280
euthanasia, drug overdoses in 
hospital and malpractice and 

471
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,440
negligence, as well as a more 
deliberate kind of culling and 

472
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,000
killing, which we've been seeing
more so as the years go by. 

473
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,640
Have you had any response from 
mainstream media or MPs yet? 

474
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,760
And I wonder how long it's going
to be before the fact checkers 

475
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,520
attempt to come along. 
Well, I brought it to Andrew 

476
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,560
Bridgen's attention, but I 
haven't heard back from him yet.

477
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,800
As you know, we had a meeting in
the House of Commons with him 

478
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,400
last June. 
So he's very, very much on site 

479
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,640
and very supportive and has been
supportive to to me and and some

480
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,320
of my support group over the 
last nine months or so. 

481
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,280
And yeah, I'm sure once he has a
look at the film he'll be able 

482
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,240
to comment on it as well. 
But no, no other, no other MPs 

483
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,720
have commented and they won't. 
A lot of MPs have blocked me so.

484
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,800
So I don't with no explanation, 
obviously I haven't done 

485
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,360
anything directly to upset them.
Let's put it that way. 

486
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,520
Yeah. 
So we're we're we're hoping to 

487
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,240
do more. 
More screenings all over the UK 

488
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,520
as well in in cinemas. 
It's quite hard to get cinemas 

489
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,520
to run these kinds of films, but
we are going to be doing that. 

490
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,480
Obviously that's going to, you 
know, cost a bit to organise, 

491
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,120
but we're keeping the 
crowdfunder running for a little

492
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,400
bit longer. 
That's that crowdfunder playing 

493
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,120
God final phase. 
If people can donate there. 

494
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,960
We're trying to help the 
contributors as well. 

495
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,280
A lot of them are still fighting
for justice for their loved. 

496
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,160
Ones and need some help. 
And we're also, as I said, doing

497
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,880
screenings. 
And also I'd like to kind of pay

498
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,240
some other people who work for 
cheap or free on the film to 

499
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,280
help get it finished in that in 
that quite short time. 

500
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Frame. 
Yeah, so if anybody would like 

501
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,880
to help with that, if you go to 
the Playing God video on the UK 

502
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,320
column website, the the link is 
in the description. 

503
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,960
So please do that. 
And I mean, what were the the 

504
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,320
participants themselves? 
Has this been helpful to them? 

505
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,760
Yes, that they're actually 
really appreciative. 

506
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,440
I mean, I appreciate them for 
doing it because it's a very 

507
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,440
brave thing to do, to come out 
and and tell these stories, but 

508
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,160
it's also. 
It seems they appreciate the 

509
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,840
film being made because it's 
finally given them that voice 

510
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,960
and that platform to get that, 
get their stories heard. 

511
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,800
So I think it's very important 
they're actually going to be on 

512
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,440
Children's Health Defence 
tomorrow night. 

513
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,600
Some of the people who told 
their stories in the film, 

514
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,760
they're actually on the Doctor 
Brian Hooker show tomorrow on 

515
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,080
CHD, so people can hear what 
they have to say about their 

516
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,480
stories and about the film 
there. 

517
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,960
And then also there's an 
interview with me and the 

518
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,840
director, one of the directors, 
Naeem Mahmood, on CHD as well, 

519
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,520
and on my show tomorrow night on
Unity News Network. 

520
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,360
I'll be talking to some of the 
people involved in the film, 

521
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,680
too. 
OK. 

522
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,600
So we would just ask everybody 
to share the film, contribute if

523
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,080
you can, if you haven't done so 
already, but also share those 

524
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,960
programmes as well. 
So Jackie, I'm going to say 

525
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,320
thank you very much for joining 
us. 

526
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,200
Thanks for having me, Mike. 
Thank. 

527
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,040
You OK? 
Brilliant. 

528
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,880
Thank you, Jackie. 
Now, Charles, back to you then. 

529
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:06,080
And food. 
Specifically, the slow March 

530
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,760
towards food scarcity and the 
direct result of national and 

531
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,240
supranational policy, and the 
rather obvious but neglected 

532
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,120
response or rather reaction to 
it. 

533
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,720
So we look at the Sustainable 
Farming Initiative, which is 

534
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,240
already in its sixth version 
since it was announced in 

535
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,120
January of this year, 
essentially set out as an 

536
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,640
unlimited scheme. 
Defra have now conceded that 

537
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,800
they do have to limit it, even 
though they still espouse that 

538
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,400
it is to have the explicit 
purpose of taking land out of 

539
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,280
food production. 
And they say that now it's 

540
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,640
restricted to 25% of anybody's 
land. 

541
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,640
Specifically, they refer to 
actions unlikely to deliver 

542
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,520
their intended aims. 
But of course, they were not 

543
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,360
clear about that in the first 
instance, which is why we are 

544
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,000
where we are. 
So they say that if you applied 

545
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,160
since the 26th of March, there 
are 6 actions which were saying 

546
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,440
you'd be done on a proportion. 
Essentially, these are the ones 

547
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,200
that just wholesale take take 
land out of production. 

548
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,120
But the critical part here is 
that it does not apply to 

549
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,080
existing agreements or 
applications submitted before 

550
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,960
the 26th of March. 
And the question is therefore 

551
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,440
how many people went into these 
schemes 100% or thereabouts, and

552
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,880
therefore not producing food at 
all this year. 

553
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,080
So we'll just have a look at a 
clip from the popular YouTube 

554
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,679
video Harry's Farm, in which he 
talks about this very issue. 

555
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,719
So that is why they've gone for 
this greening. 

556
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,920
And I'm going to get improved 
soil structure from doing this. 

557
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,800
So long term, the soil structure
on our farm will benefit from me

558
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,880
entering these schemes and the 
legging mixes every doing, and 

559
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,760
they're replacing break crops. 
But it also means as a country 

560
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,280
we're going to produce less food
than we were. 

561
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,640
And when this document was 
written, I don't think they took

562
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,600
into account also the rise in 
the population in the UK. 

563
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,000
It is incredible how quickly the
population rising. 

564
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:15,200
The UK population between 1996 
and 2021 went up 8.9 million, 

565
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:22,120
that's 15% rise, about 6768 
million if you go forward. 

566
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:28,400
The number now for 2036? 
Seventy 3.7 million people. 

567
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,440
It's rising at an alarming rate 
and we have to feed all these 

568
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,320
people and all this land coming 
out of production and going into

569
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,520
these environmental schemes 
means there's less land being 

570
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:49,440
farmed and I think we're heading
well by 2027 when these schemes,

571
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,760
everybody signed up to these 
schemes and the reality hits. 

572
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,760
We might even hit it in 2025, 
but there was an awful lot less 

573
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:04,720
food being grown in the UK, so 
he's bothered to look into these

574
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:06,440
schemes and where they've come 
from. 

575
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,360
But his view, which is to take 
the risk out of his farming 

576
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,640
practices, is going to have been
shared by many of his 

577
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,400
contemporaries. 
And indeed he talks about his 

578
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,240
neighbours having gone into 
these schemes wholesale. 

579
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:22,560
He's only producing a third of 
his arable crop from previous 

580
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,720
years. 
So we line this up against the 

581
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,720
open goals that Defra are 
missing, and one of them, of 

582
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:33,920
course is food waste, not 
discussed at all, but clearly a 

583
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,800
very significant factor when we 
confront the possibility of food

584
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,560
shortages. 
So most recent publication in 

585
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,120
the House of Commons Library 
says that most food waste comes 

586
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,560
from the household 60% and this 
equates to 10.7 million 10.7 

587
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,280
million tonnes per annum, which 
is equivalent to £250 per person

588
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,760
per year or 1000 lbs for a 
family. 

589
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,920
You'd think, therefore, that the
government would find it easy to

590
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,240
communicate this. 
And here is their communication 

591
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:09,040
plan 2024 Five, in which they 
state that the purpose of it is 

592
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,320
to change behaviours for the 
public good. 

593
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,240
So you'd think they might indeed
have started talking about food 

594
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,480
waste and indeed how to deal 
with it. 

595
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,440
But of course they haven't. 
Instead, this is something that 

596
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,160
came through my letterbox the 
other day and I'm sure 

597
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,840
everybody's seen similar things.
Instead, what they're doing is 

598
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,080
normalising the waste of food, 
and in actual fact they're going

599
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,240
a step further by talking about 
recycling it. 

600
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:37,640
And so they suggest that there 
is a high quantity of it. 

601
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,720
The emphasis of course, is on 
what you do with it and how 

602
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,840
green your response to your food
waste is, rather than not 

603
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,040
actually wasting food. 
So as I say, a massively open 

604
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,960
goal that's being missed. 
The other thing I've talked 

605
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:58,080
about in terms of land use is 
solar farms, and we see the map 

606
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,440
here showing the green dots are 
where existing solar farms are 

607
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,480
and the ever increasing purple 
splodges are where proposed 

608
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,080
solar farms are. 
And what's cropped up now is an 

609
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,280
amazing illustration of the 
hypocrisy of the government and 

610
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,760
those that are within it. 
Just a reminder here that Defra 

611
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,160
of course did not collect 
specific data on the amount of 

612
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,800
land that's generating renewable
energy, as they say, but they 

613
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,000
will start doing it in June as a
result of persistent questioning

614
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,280
by UK column. 
But we've got here Michelle 

615
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:37,080
Donilon MP in Wiltshire and she 
is actively campaigning against 

616
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,120
a solar farm proposed in her 
constituency, Lime, Lime, Down 

617
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,240
Solar. 
So we've got, she's put up a 

618
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:47,880
text there and I've just taken a
little bit of it to to 

619
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,480
illustrate the hypocrisy. 
What she says that she's a big 

620
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,120
supporter of our climate change 
ambitions, but the proposals put

621
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,440
forward by Island Green Power 
are completely unacceptable in 

622
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,560
this location. 
So she doesn't want to confront 

623
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,080
the underlying issue, but she 
wants to talk specifically about

624
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,560
the site. 
She then talks about a ginormous

625
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,680
battery storage site size of 200
shipping containers, and indeed 

626
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,320
saying that it's unsuitable to 
the specific location. 

627
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,680
Of course, she's entirely 
missing the point here we see 

628
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:24,040
going back to her campaign 2019,
it's unclear as to what that 

629
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,120
chap is gesticulating, but he 
might be suggesting where she 

630
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,200
could go. 
But she talks specifically about

631
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,880
wanting to continue to push for 
us to promote more and support 

632
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,880
green energy, and indeed a 
Facebook post going back to the 

633
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:41,680
price of the last general 
election. 

634
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,360
Green technology is undoubtedly 
the future, and she supported 

635
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,200
the Net 0 by 2050 target going 
into law, she says she'll be 

636
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,960
voting to implement the Green 
Revolution plan. 

637
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,480
Well, The thing is, she can't 
have it both ways, and indeed, 

638
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,320
nor can her constituents. 
So it's worth pointing out, and 

639
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,040
what I would really go back to 
is the comment that was made on 

640
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,920
a planning application I 
reported on in January by the 

641
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,000
West Yorkshire Fire and Rescue 
Authority. 

642
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,200
And the critical issue here is 
not not just that the the solar 

643
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,480
farms themselves are taking up 
the best and most versatile 

644
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,640
farmland. 
Or indeed that the the whole net

645
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,880
zero agenda is is. 
Sort of a corner of gigantic 

646
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,960
proportions, but there is a real
safety issue here and it is the 

647
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,480
batteries. 
And we see here that within an 

648
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,880
application that was made to 
Wakefield, the fire service 

649
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,800
pointed out that control 
measures and verification of 

650
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,240
standards, the tender of the 
battery installation has not 

651
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,680
taken place. 
But they find it concerning that

652
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,360
no specific information in 
relation to fire risk and 

653
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,040
explosion has been incorporated 
into the application. 

654
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,200
And of course that's still the 
case. 

655
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,080
It's not required in the 
application. 

656
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,520
They go on and talk about 
regulatory reform. 

657
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,640
They find it concerning that no 
specific information in relation

658
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,480
to fire safety management has 
been provided. 

659
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,320
So they're unable to make any 
comment. 

660
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,680
But then they they they finish 
up by talking about the risks of

661
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,080
vapour. 
Cloud, thermal runway and 

662
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:13,080
explosion are very real risks 
and are becoming more common as 

663
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,520
we see an increase in the number
of best battery energy storage 

664
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,120
systems rise. 
And here we are. 

665
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,840
So, going back to Wiltshire and 
Donilon's constituency, there's 

666
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,320
no definitive or preferred way 
of putting out a lithium ion or 

667
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,800
a lithium ion or fire. 
There are, in effect, two main 

668
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,520
options, one being to let it 
burn, or the other being to use 

669
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,760
significant amounts of water for
a protracted period. 

670
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,280
Sorry to be looking away from 
the screen, but the point is 

671
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,360
that Donilon is absolutely 
refusing to concede that. 

672
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,920
The push for net zero, of 
course, is having the exactly 

673
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,720
opposite consequences from those
that are supposed to be intended

674
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:55,080
by it, and indeed is is 
demonstrating a personal 

675
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,760
hypocrisy of gigantic or she 
might say ginormous proportions.

676
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,560
Yes, thanks, Charles. 
Thank you for that. 

677
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Now, Vanessa, let's come back to
you. 

678
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,400
And we've been hearing in the 
mainstream press in recent days 

679
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,840
and weeks that members of the 
Jewish community feeling unsafe 

680
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,720
in the UK. 
Yes, and this was an 

681
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:21,120
extraordinary article in the 
Telegraph following an incident 

682
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,720
with the Metropolitan Police at 
a Palestinian protest which 

683
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:28,000
we'll come on to. 
Britain's Jews fear for their 

684
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,720
lives because Sir Mark Rowley is
a weak coward, while other 

685
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:36,280
nations show strength and 
resolve in the face of the 

686
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,360
Islamist menace. 
Our police have shamed 

687
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,640
themselves. 
So I picked that. 

688
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,320
I mean the article. 
I do recommend reading it. 

689
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,400
It's quite extraordinary. 
It double s down on the 

690
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,160
propaganda and hyperbole that is
effectively pretext for the 

691
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,880
genocide that has now been 
ongoing against Palestinians for

692
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,040
200 days. 
But this was an interesting 

693
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,960
section of the article. 
So apparently the author joined 

694
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:12,000
a ZOOM conference where she she 
states that the Jewish group 

695
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,720
were deciding whether to ride 
out the present troubles and 

696
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,720
hope for the best, or to make 
alia, which, of course, is to 

697
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:23,560
take up residence or to settle 
in Israel, an offer available to

698
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,600
every Jew. 
While of course, Palestinians 

699
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,240
have no right to return to their
homeland. 

700
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,800
She then says the younger, 
bearded guy who lived in 

701
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,760
Manchester had already made-up 
his mind. 

702
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,360
He'd witnessed several recent 
attacks on Jews, and his 

703
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,560
family's bags were packed. 
Look at the demographics, he 

704
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,920
said bluntly. 
The Muslim population is 

705
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,000
growing. 
It's not safe for us, but this 

706
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,000
is our home, one woman 
protested, her voice quavering. 

707
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,000
The second said she was joining 
us from Tel Aviv. 

708
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,880
She advised the rest of the 
group to get out while they 

709
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,720
still could. 
Even faced with the prospect of 

710
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:01,240
rocket attacks from Hezbollah 
and the threat of war with Iran,

711
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,400
that Lady and her husband still 
felt safer in Israel than in 

712
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,440
Hampstead Garden suburb. 
This is quite extraordinary. 

713
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:17,640
This is actually effectively 
spin to promote settlement in 

714
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,560
Israel, while perhaps many 
settlers are actually fleeing 

715
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,880
the security situation or lack 
of it in Israel. 

716
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:30,160
And this was back in mid March. 
An Ali affair in London saw 

717
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:34,000
hundreds from the British Jewish
community attend and since the 

718
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,400
start of the Gaza war they're 
claiming this is in Jerusalem 

719
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:43,040
Post, a 40% increase in new 
immigrants from Britain to 

720
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,120
Israel. 
So let's have a look at the 

721
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,600
incident that sparked this 
article. 

722
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,720
Sunak appalled by officers 
threat to arrest Jewish man at 

723
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:58,120
pro Palestine rally rally as 
calls Mount from Met force to 

724
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,160
quit. 
So let's see what was actually 

725
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,680
said in the exchange, the 
officer can be heard saying to 

726
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,880
him. 
You are quite openly Jewish. 

727
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,120
While, of course, there were 
hundreds, if not thousands of 

728
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:14,840
Jews actually on the March in 
defense of Palestine and against

729
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,680
a genocide that's being 
committed by Israel, this is a 

730
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,400
pro Palestinian March. 
I'm not accusing you of 

731
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,800
anything, but I am worried about
the reaction to your presence. 

732
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,640
No mention of arrest there. 
Now, Mike and Charles, I don't 

733
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,560
know what you think, but this 
strikes me as, let's say, a 

734
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:40,080
staged event to further fuel the
claims that Jews are at risk. 

735
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,960
But let's hear from some of the 
Jews that were actually on the 

736
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,440
March. 
Well, I'm Jewish and I'm here 

737
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,000
and I feel very safe. 
I actually feel very at home in 

738
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,920
this crowd of people who just 
want peace. 

739
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,560
As a Jewish person in London at 
weekends, I don't believe these 

740
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,240
statements, but it's unsafe, 
absolute. 

741
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,360
Rubbish. 
I've been here every Shabbat 

742
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,880
with my kipan. 
I've had nothing but love, 

743
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,920
nothing but welcome from 
everyone. 

744
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,360
I've spoken to the idea that 
London is a no goes own for Jews

745
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,440
is just for the birds. 
It's rubbish. 

746
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,720
These Jews have come out 
specially. 

747
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,760
There were 500 of us meeting 
outside Belgrave Square. 

748
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,840
We've all come here on purpose 
to show that that's rubbish. 

749
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,640
Politicians are pushing it as 
just basically propaganda and to

750
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:28,960
to push their own narrative to 
pretend that there isn't another

751
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,200
voice that opposes the genocide 
going on in Gaza to try and 

752
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,120
weaponize anti-Semitism to a 
degree. 

753
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,920
We've been sold a false 
narrative and I think it's 

754
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,360
really important for Jews 
everywhere to stand up and say 

755
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,440
I'm not OK with this and this is
not, it's not being done for. 

756
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,200
Me, Jewish people are not a 
monolith. 

757
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,920
They all think the same. 
There's thousands of Jewish 

758
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,320
people who feel very comfortable
in London and oppose the events 

759
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:56,160
in Gaza. 
It seems that they don't agree 

760
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,880
with the media headlines. 
Also over in the US, concerns 

761
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:06,520
over anti-Semitism rise as Jews 
begin observing Passover and 

762
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,160
then this article in the 
Guardian. 

763
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,920
Not like other Passovers. 
Hundreds of Jewish demonstrators

764
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,600
arrested after New York protests
that are about 300 people were 

765
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,840
detained near as Senate Majority
Leader Chuck Schumer's Brooklyn 

766
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,600
home. 
So let's see what what the 

767
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,520
article says. 
Hundreds of Jewish anti war 

768
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,040
demonstrators have been arrested
during Passover. 

769
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,120
The 300 also arrests took place 
on Tuesday night at Grand Army 

770
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,040
Plaza. 
So again it appears that also in

771
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,920
the US Jews are effectively on 
the side of humanity against the

772
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,520
genocide of Palestinians. 
And then let's have a look at an

773
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,960
article in Winner again Israeli 
media number of Westerners 

774
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,920
seeking to make earlier surges. 
Since October the 7th Israel has

775
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:04,400
apparently received 12,745 new 
immigrants, 3074 of them in 

776
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,960
March, quadrupling totals for 
October 2023. 

777
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,480
Amid escalating global 
anti-Semitism, there has been a 

778
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,040
significant rise in immigration 
requests from France, Canada, 

779
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,800
the US, South Africa, Ukraine 
and Australia. 

780
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:25,160
So are we seeing again the the 
Zionist orchestrating 

781
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,120
anti-Semitism in order to 
increase illegal settlement in 

782
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,800
the State of Israel? 
And I would question whether the

783
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,520
anti-Semitism is actually taking
place, Vanessa at all or? 

784
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,000
Whether it's merely. 
A media campaign. 

785
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:44,560
But Charles, let's come on to 
the issue of the idea of right 

786
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,560
wing extremism and Telegram 
seems to be a target now. 

787
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,400
It does, Mike. 
Yes, As the window that 

788
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,800
supposedly brackets extremism or
any form of it expands 

789
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,720
enormously, we see now that the 
latest group apparently to fall 

790
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:10,840
foul of it is called Terrorgram 
and the Home Office have just 

791
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,480
announced that Terrorgram has 
been added to the list of 

792
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,160
prescribed terrorist 
organisations under the 

793
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,280
Terrorism Act 2000. 
If you're scratching your head 

794
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,080
wondering what that's all about,
you're not the only one, but the

795
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,440
UK is the first country in the 
world to prescribe the Terror 

796
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,560
Gram Collective after draft 
draft prescription. 

797
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,480
Basically this will be laid 
before the House of Commons on 

798
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,200
Friday and they described the 
Terror Gram Collective as an 

799
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:41,560
online network of neo fascist 
terrorists. 

800
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,960
This is critical language 
because they go on to say that 

801
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,320
the government's commitment to 
tackle extreme right wing 

802
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,600
terrorism and online 
radicalisation in all forms is 

803
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,480
what's brought this about and 
that it's the first time it's 

804
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,000
been used in this way. 
So they're calling it an online 

805
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,080
terrorist network. 
This is not something that's 

806
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,800
been done before, so the 
background to it is deeply 

807
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,280
relevant. 
However, what they do is they 

808
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,120
they clarify here. 
They say following an internal 

809
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,520
review, the term extreme right 
wing terrorism was adopted as 

810
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,920
the umbrella term to make it 
clear that those who hold 

811
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,720
mainstream right wing views will
not be in scope of any action by

812
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:20,920
counter terrorism authorities. 
Well, it'll be interesting to 

813
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,560
see how far and how quickly that
drift, because of course the 

814
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:29,880
moment you set up such a such a 
mechanism for capturing people 

815
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,880
who are apparently far right 
wing extremists, it's very easy 

816
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,560
for other people to drift into 
this. 

817
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,160
Anyway, the prescribed 
organization, obviously any 

818
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,840
association with them, it 
carries all sorts of penalties. 

819
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,520
But specifically they talk about
it disrupting terrorism and 

820
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,280
particularly here we see the 
encouraging of removal of online

821
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,680
materials. 
There's very clear focus here on

822
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,880
on the online side of it. 
But there are a couple of things

823
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,680
that as I say when we consider 
the drift offences under this 

824
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,480
prescription would be to express
an opinion or belief that's 

825
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,920
supportive of a prescribed 
organization to wear clothing or

826
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,920
carry or display articles in 
public in such a way or in such 

827
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,120
circumstances as to arouse 
reasonable suspicion that the 

828
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,800
individual is a member or 
supporter of a prescribed 

829
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,320
organization. 
So I just remind you of the case

830
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,240
of Sam Melia who's been 
imprisoned for what were 

831
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:24,280
referred to as far right 
activities by the by the crime 

832
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,080
Prosecution Service anyway. 
Nonetheless, this has been 

833
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,600
banded about the place we see 
the Telegraph here just 

834
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,880
reporting it without question 
that terrorist group terror gram

835
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,680
had to be banned in the UK. 
There is a bit of a pedigree to 

836
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,120
this. 
This is as far back as 2017 

837
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,720
saying that terrorists love 
Telegram in particular. 

838
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:46,600
So it's the Telegram app that's 
in effect the sort of target for

839
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,920
all of this. 
And I point you to a piece in 

840
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,960
Politico from the 28th of March 
in which we're told that Pavel 

841
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:59,560
Durov, the the chap that started
Telegram, has been warned off by

842
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,920
Putin saying that terrorists are
using it. 

843
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,320
So he's getting it from all 
sides. 

844
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,840
But he was asked specifically 
about the the Kremlin's war on 

845
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,760
Ukraine and he said let's not go
there, adding that it's very 

846
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,480
important for the world to 
retain Telegram as a neutral 

847
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,440
platform. 
We'll just play a very short 

848
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,600
clip now of Durov speaking to 
Tucker Carlson about the 

849
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,440
pressures that he feels on his 
Telegram app. 

850
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,560
Largest pressure towards 
Telegram is not coming from 

851
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,800
governments, it's coming from 
Apple and Google. 

852
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,440
So when it comes to freedom of 
speech, those two platforms, 

853
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:42,360
they could basically censor 
whatever is you can read access 

854
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:48,480
on your smartphone. 
So I mean, do you run the risk 

855
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,120
of being thrown out of their 
stores? 

856
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,160
Exactly. 
That's what they make very clear

857
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,520
that if we fail to comply with 
their guidelines, so they call 

858
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,760
it, children can be removed from
the stores. 

859
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,920
I wouldn't mean to characterise 
Pavel Durov as a as a beacon of 

860
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,720
virtue and therefore different 
from competitors in that 

861
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:16,480
marketplace. 
But it's very significant that 

862
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,320
he does specifically make that 
distinction between the state 

863
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:25,040
and these big corporations. 
But what we should come on to is

864
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:33,000
the the fact that whilst we hear
a lot now about this terrogram 

865
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,920
organization, it's almost 
invisible online now. 

866
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,960
It's it's an unfair comparison I
do concede, but I'm showing now 

867
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,800
references in Hansard recorded 
by the UK Parliament of any time

868
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,160
Hamas has been mentioned or 
written about. 

869
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,440
And there are 15157 such 
references in the last five 

870
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,400
years. 
Now when you look at the same 

871
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,480
thing for Terrogram Zero, there 
are no results. 

872
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,920
It has never ever been mentioned
or written about in any sort of 

873
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:08,400
sort of parliamentary debate, 
written paper, anything. 

874
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,720
And in actual fact they're so 
confident it won't be they've 

875
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:17,120
projected out to October 2026. 
But so for an online terrorist 

876
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,640
collective, it does seem quite 
extraordinary that they appear 

877
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,760
to have absolutely no online 
presence whatsoever. 

878
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,160
So where on earth does it come 
from? 

879
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,960
Well, we look at a sort of 
pseudo charitable an 

880
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,600
organization called Hope Not 
Hate which produces an annual 

881
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,840
report called State of Hate. 
And here we find the sort of 

882
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,240
kernel of the suggestion of 
Terrorgram in which they talk 

883
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:43,360
about contemporary far right 
terrorism and having an 

884
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,400
awareness of the labyrinthine 
and hard to monitor world of pro

885
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,960
terrorism online spaces. 
And they talk about exploring 

886
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,840
the so-called Terrorgram 
network. 

887
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:56,800
So essentially it's really just 
a term that's been applied to to

888
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,200
note a collection of a few dozen
public channels and private chat

889
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,000
groups on the messaging app 
Telegram. 

890
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,320
And of course, they're not 
specific at all. 

891
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,160
They say telegrams extended the 
reach of an array of 

892
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,720
international terroristic 
organisations and they talk 

893
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:13,680
about ways, and then they talk 
about committing hate crimes and

894
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,840
threatening public officials. 
Now, of course, all this is 

895
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,600
ringing a bell because this 
relates to what Tom Toughan that

896
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,840
was talking about the other day.
Again, there's some very flimsy 

897
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,240
academic background to this 
under this article here Militant

898
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:30,040
Acceleration Coalitions, in 
which they also talk about the 

899
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,600
terror the terrorgram community,
but they don't really define 

900
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,880
exactly what that means. 
So essentially it looks very 

901
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,080
much like terrorgram has been 
put out there, not least because

902
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,880
it sounds exactly like Telegram,
but essentially to be able to 

903
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,080
capture anybody who's doing 
anything online that may either 

904
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,120
now or in the future be 
described as extremist. 

905
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,640
And because it's been 
prescribed, it therefore goes 

906
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,800
one up to being a terrorist 
offence. 

907
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,360
So I'll just leave you with a 
reminder that in actual fact 

908
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,600
things are a little bit murky 
than they seem because of course

909
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,480
the Ministry of Defense has a 
telegram channel and they 

910
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,680
specifically have it here. 
They they broadcast in Russian 

911
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,240
as well, and they've said here 
in their most recent message, 

912
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:14,080
even amongst Russian officials, 
there is likely a low level of 

913
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,080
understanding about total 
casualty figures because of a 

914
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,440
long established culture of 
dishonest reporting within the 

915
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,360
military. 
Well, how interesting. 

916
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,080
I wouldn't say that the military
of Russia is the only place that

917
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,040
there's been a culture of 
dishonest reporting. 

918
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,160
Well, indeed. 
OK. 

919
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:33,680
Now we'll we'll change topics 
here and move on to sort of 

920
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,720
medical stuff and CRISPR of 
course gene editing, CRISPR is 

921
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:40,680
the technology for that. 
We have a great article here 

922
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,880
from the New York Times talking 
about or telling us the 

923
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,560
generative AI has arrived to in 
the gene editing world of CRISPR

924
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:52,000
and what could possibly go 
wrong. 

925
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,160
So because anybody that's used 
generative AI to produce you 

926
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,800
know an image of somebody, they 
usually have two heads or six 

927
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,040
fingers on their hands and so 
on. 

928
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,320
So if we put that back on screen
for a second, this is what they 

929
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,840
say. 
Generative AI technologies can 

930
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,520
write poetry and computer 
programmes, or create images of 

931
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,040
teddy bears and videos of 
cartoon characters that look 

932
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,600
like something from a Hollywood 
movie. 

933
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,600
Now new AI technology is 
generating blueprints for 

934
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,560
microscopic biological 
mechanisms that can edit your 

935
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,280
DNA, pointing to a future when 
scientists can battle illness 

936
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,440
and diseases with even greater 
precision and speed than they 

937
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,640
can today. 
Much as ChatGPT learns to 

938
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,800
generate language by analysing 
Wikipedia articles, books and 

939
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,600
chat logs, pro fluent technology
creates a new gene. 

940
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,160
New gene editors after analysing
enormous amounts of biological 

941
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,920
data, including microscopic 
mechanisms and scientists 

942
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:49,120
already used to edit human DNA. 
Generative AI technologies are 

943
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,760
driven by what scientists called
a neural network. 

944
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,920
A mathematical system learns 
skills by analysing vast amounts

945
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,560
of data. 
Pro Fluence technology is driven

946
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,440
by a similar AI model that 
learns from sequences of amino 

947
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,480
acids and nuclear nucleic acids,
the chemical compounds that 

948
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,080
define the microscopic 
biological mechanisms that 

949
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,320
scientists use to edit genes. 
Essentially, it analysis the 

950
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,840
behaviour of CRISPR gene editors
pulled from Nature and learns 

951
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,320
how to generate entirely new 
gene editors. 

952
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,720
As I say, what could possibly go
wrong? 

953
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,120
So this is the organization Pro.
Fluent suggests people go and 

954
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,720
look at them very closely. 
They are supported by 5 venture 

955
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,960
capital organisations, Inside 
Partners, Air, St. 

956
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,320
Capital, AIX Ventures, 
Convergent Ventures and Spark 

957
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,240
Capital. 
So this is a hedge fund backed 

958
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,320
technology company with a bunch 
of people working for it that 

959
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:46,480
have no background whatsoever. 
If we put that on for no 

960
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:51,040
background whatsoever in 
genetics or anything, I mean 

961
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,720
that even their chief geneticist
has got a very tenuous 

962
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,120
connection to genetic research 
or any kind of scientific 

963
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,000
background. 
These are all AI people that are

964
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,320
messing about and things they 
don't understand and it looks to

965
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,920
me to be extremely dangerous. 
And if if governments are 

966
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,760
looking at regulating AI, maybe 
this is one place they might 

967
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:17,000
want to start now. 
In the meantime, back in the UK 

968
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,800
here Andrew Neil has been 
appearing in front of the House 

969
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:25,000
of Lords media committee and he 
was well, let's just listen to 

970
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,520
what he was asked and what his 
response was. 

971
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,760
I'd like to take you to the role
of government in the sort of 

972
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,720
news sector and looking forward 
over the next few years. 

973
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,480
How interventionist do you think
government should be in 

974
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,880
supporting the new sector, if at
all? 

975
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,440
And what do you think would 
constitute our government 

976
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,800
overreach? 
You should steer the hell out of

977
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,800
it. 
You don't know anything about 

978
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,360
it. 
You're only trouble. 

979
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,280
We're not on your side. 
You're not on our side. 

980
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,440
We're different. 
I mean, relations between 

981
00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:04,600
journalists, journalists, media 
and government should always be 

982
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,280
bad and never in any account be 
allowed to get better. 

983
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:14,120
A major industrial upheaval, a 
major technological revolution, 

984
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,560
and we've come through the other
side. 

985
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,080
We've lost people by the 
wayside. 

986
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,800
At times it seemed like the 
baton death March, but we've 

987
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:28,240
come through and we now know 
what we're doing and we just 

988
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,440
want to be allowed to get on 
with it. 

989
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,000
So I'm going to say I agree with
the first sentiment they 

990
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,080
expressed their, I disagree with
the second set, the meeting 

991
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,720
expressed and we'll talk a lot 
more about this with Vanessa and

992
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,880
Charles an extra. 
But government interference with

993
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,040
the media isn't going away 
anytime soon. 

994
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,040
And of course as we saw through 
COVID, government funding of the

995
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:58,240
media became an an an extremely 
concerning conflict of interest.

996
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,720
Let's just leave it at that for 
now. 

997
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,280
We'll talk about a little bit 
more about this an Extra in a 

998
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,760
few minutes if you're AUK column
member, but we're going to leave

999
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,280
it there for today. 
So I'm going to say thank you 

1000
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:11,720
very much to Charles and Vanessa
and to Jackie Devoy for joining 

1001
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,800
us today. 
Thank you all for watching. 

1002
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,920
We'll see you in a few minutes 
if you're UK column member on 

1003
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,920
Extra. 
Otherwise, enjoy the interview 

1004
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,120
at 1:00 PM tomorrow and we'll 
see you on Friday for another 

1005
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,040
news. 
Bye, bye.