1 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,680 But we're going to start off with a nice light topic and that 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,040 suggests that there are significant parallels between 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:20,000 the UK and Nazi Germany. And so I, I realise that in a 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,680 sense that's, that's a little bit cliched, but I actually want 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,000 to be quite specific about it because I'm going to suggest 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,960 that the editor's law has come to Britain now hands up anybody 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,480 who knows what the editor's law was. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,680 Good, right? So basically this, this was 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,400 legislation from the early 1930s that Hitler brought in to try to 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,880 control the narrative. And this was really the 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,960 beginning of everything that happened subsequently. 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,120 So let's just have a a a brief look at this involvement in the 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,080 shaping of the intellectual contents of the newspapers or 14 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,760 political periodicals published in the Reich, whether through 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,160 writing, news reporting or illustration, or through 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,560 appointment as chief editor, is a public function regulated by 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,040 the state through this law. This is very, very similar to 18 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,280 what we're seeing at the moment. The Rice Minister of Public 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,240 Engagement and Propaganda will determine which periodicals are 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,320 to be considered political within the meaning of the law. 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,080 That's a slight typo there, apologies for that. 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,200 Are we saying parallels with that as well? 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,320 With what's going on today? Editors are especially obligated 24 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:31,840 to keep out of the newspapers anything which is a misleading 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,440 to the public by mixing selfish interests with community 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,160 interests, or B tends to weaken the strength of the German Reich 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,200 in Foreign Relations or domestically, the sense of 28 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,000 community of the German people, German defence capability, 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,560 culture or the economy, or offends the religious sentiments 30 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,080 of others. We're seeing in that statement 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,640 everything that we're seeing today. 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,640 We're not allowed to weaken the Starmer regime or the Tory 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,160 regime before that. We're not allowed to criticise 34 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,360 foreign policy. We're not allowed to in any way 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,759 undermine the sense of community of the British people, German 36 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:10,919 defence capability. We can't criticise that. 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,040 We can't criticise what's going on culturally in the country at 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,640 the moment because otherwise we end up in prison or the economy. 39 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,240 And we certainly in this case they said or offends the 40 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,400 religious sentiments of others. We might consider that, you 41 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:29,800 know, whether that's LGBT or any other kind of similar sentiment 42 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,600 that that we might want to criticize today. 43 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,240 We can't do that. I'm just saying massive 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,160 parallels there. Editors are especially obligated 45 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,480 to keep out of the newspapers anything which offends the honor 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,120 and dignity of Germany. We could just replace Germany 47 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,120 with Britain here illegally offends the honour or the 48 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,760 well-being of another, hurts his reputation, ridicules or 49 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,080 disparages him. Hate crime is immoral for other 50 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,240 reasons. Well, the definition of of 51 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,840 immorality is something which is changing everyday. 52 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,800 Professional courts will be established for the protection 53 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,080 of the editorial profession. Now one of the features of the 54 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,760 Online Safety Act. It hasn't yet been implemented 55 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,560 because Ofcom's implementing it one step at a time and it's a 56 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,960 huge piece of legislation. But one of the aspects of that 57 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,560 that hasn't been implemented yet is the protection of so-called 58 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,280 journalistic content. So the Online Safety Act is 59 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,000 there to limit the freedom of speech of us, of ordinary people 60 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,360 or of of so-called independent media. 61 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,840 But the legacy media is to be protected and that's written 62 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,600 into the legislation that anything that they publish is 63 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,080 not allowed to be taken down by the social media platforms. 64 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,240 For example, the Reich Minister for Public Engagement and 65 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,840 Propaganda may decree the removal of an editor from the 66 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,520 professional list independent of the proceedings of the 67 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,400 professional court if he deems it necessary for pressing 68 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,960 reasons of public welfare. This is again is exactly what 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:02,880 we're saying where basically the Cabinet Office through their 70 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,040 various counter disinformation teams are without question and 71 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,000 contact without question contacting social media 72 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,320 platforms saying get that organization off. 73 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,800 Right. When we were at the Sounds 74 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,760 Beautiful festival, I showed a, a, a comment or a communication 75 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,080 from YouTube telling us that not only was our main YouTube 76 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:28,160 channel taken off YouTube, but that any platform which gave us 77 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,360 any kind of major coverage would also be taken off YouTube, 78 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,400 right? That's, that's, that's the 79 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,640 degree that it's going. Then if we look at the January 80 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:45,360 1933 emergency regulations, restrictions on the right of 81 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,800 Assembly, Charles is going to be talking about this in a second. 82 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,360 We have seen legislation in the last couple of years which has 83 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,640 put massive restrictions on the right of assembly, and we're now 84 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,040 seeing organizations, whether you agree with them or not, 85 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,760 being prescribed. And anybody that resembles in 86 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,120 support of that newly prescribed organization is arrested and 87 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,200 carted off. Restriction on freedom of the 88 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,240 press depends on your definition of the press. 89 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,800 But I would argue that there's a massive restriction on the 90 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,000 freedom of the press since the Leveson Inquiry, but 91 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,160 particularly since COVID, because as the commercial 92 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,640 situation of the press has has changed over the last lot of 93 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,360 months and years, there's more reliance on government money and 94 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,440 government subsidy through advertising for them to keep 95 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,680 going. And that makes them less free 96 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,560 because they feel obliged to talk about the things that 97 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,000 government wants to talk about. Confiscation of printed works of 98 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,680 this information. This is similar to to, you know, 99 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:51,040 deplatforming and various other forms of censorship online and 100 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,120 suspension of free speech. So I've this next one, I've 101 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,480 shown this before a long time ago, but we've sort of brought 102 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,440 it up to date. We'll just want to compare the 103 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,600 actual legislation that's been put in place. 104 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,360 So that's a Germany shut down free speech. 105 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,600 We've got the Online Safety Act. Everybody should be familiar 106 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,360 with that National Security Act. Charles is going to be talking 107 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,400 about that. You may be less familiar with 108 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,880 that one criminal criminalizing protest. 109 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,640 Nazis did that. We've got the Police, Crime, 110 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,520 Courts and Sentencing Act. We've got the Public Order Act, 111 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,000 and we've now got the Terrorism Act being used to limit protest 112 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,560 and criminalized protest surveillance. 113 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,960 We've got the Investigatory Powers Amendment Act. 114 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,200 We've got the Data Use and Access Act. 115 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,080 The Data Use and Access Act is absolutely all-encompassing. 116 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,520 It takes a Data Protection Act that we had before. 117 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,880 It tears it up. It basically says that there is 118 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,680 no restriction on the sharing of your content, your data that 119 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:59,160 that's collected by any platform that or by the NHS and so on, 120 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,760 and it can be exported. The Data Protection Act 121 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,320 absolutely said you can't export that data outside the country 122 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,160 that can now be exported to the United States or anywhere else 123 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,200 because of course that that act enables all the AI that we're 124 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,520 seeing. It enables the digital ID 125 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,360 infrastructure. It enables everything and 126 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,200 accountability to law judicial review Act, covert human 127 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,920 intelligence Criminal conduct Act. 128 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,000 Does everybody know what the covert human intelligence 129 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,240 brackets Criminal Conduct Act does? 130 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,480 Well, that's this When did it come into force? 131 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,560 2020 Sorry. 2016 Think so, Something like that. 132 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,880 This makes it permissible for agents of the state to break the 133 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,800 law in the pursuit of their activities. 134 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:53,600 And what staggered me about this was the the range of agencies 135 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,080 which are allowed to make use of this facility. 136 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:03,800 So you might expect that the police or who else, or MI5MI6, 137 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,640 these types of organizations, the military, perhaps there may 138 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,360 be some, I'd, I would argue there is no justification for 139 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,600 that. No one should be above the law. 140 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,240 But but you could see how some people wouldn't try to make an 141 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,320 argument, argument for it. But when it comes on to things 142 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:24,440 like, you know, HMRC or the Gambling Commission, you know, 143 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,760 this is this is starting to take things a little bit far. 144 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,560 And, and the point about it was there were no restrictions on 145 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,920 the laws that they are allowed to break. 146 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,159 There was nothing that says that they cannot commit murder, 147 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,039 nothing in the legislation that limits this in any way. 148 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:41,840 And so it was quite an incredible piece of legislation, 149 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:43,600 pretty much went under the radar. 150 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,280 Not very many people reported on it. 151 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:51,400 We did control of education, the Children's well-being in Schools 152 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,800 Bill. That's not an act of Parliament 153 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,760 yet. And we've included the Holocaust 154 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,480 Memorial Bill, which Charles, I'll explain why in a minute. 155 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,120 But that's, that's, you know, summing up what's either already 156 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,280 happened in the last 10 years or is in the process of happening 157 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,800 at the moment. And the thing about it is that 158 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,920 if, you know, if if we are allowed to blow our trumpets a 159 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:17,000 little bit here in the news program spoilers, I'll be 160 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,280 talking a little bit about a, a comment that the Electronic 161 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,920 Freedom Foundation have made about the Online Safety Act. 162 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:29,240 And the thing about it is it's too, I mean, it's never too 163 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,000 late. Things can be repealed, but but 164 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,280 in a sense, it's too late to start bringing this stuff up. 165 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,840 Now. We were talking about this stuff 166 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,400 in 2017. We were telling people, Patrick 167 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,840 Henningson and I were telling people in 2017 about the Online 168 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,560 Harms White Paper, the white paper which led to the Online 169 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:47,280 Safety Act and what they were talking about. 170 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,960 And the fact that throughout all this legislation we're 171 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,400 increasingly seeing not only them being enabling acts. 172 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,360 I mean, everybody hears about Hitler and the Enabling Act, but 173 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,120 every one of these is an enabling act because they all 174 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,200 say that at some point in the future through secondary 175 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,560 legislation, the minister, the Secretary of State can, can just 176 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:10,400 change this to do whatever the heck he likes, right. 177 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,200 So the point here is 2017, we were, we were warning about this 178 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,360 then. And really what should have 179 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,120 happened is that all these groups like the EFF and, and all 180 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,720 the other campaign groups that are out there that are sort of 181 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,440 campaigning on, on these types of issues really should have 182 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,080 grabbed the nettle at that point before it actually became law 183 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,360 and became legislation. And it should have been 184 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,160 absolutely made clear to government before it even went 185 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,240 to the House of Commons that Online Safety Act was something 186 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,080 that was unacceptable or any of these other bits of legislation 187 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,320 for that matter. So look, I'll, I'll hand over to 188 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,280 Charles then and and we'll go into a little bit more detail on 189 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,440 what each of these does just. Swap slides Just whilst this 190 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,720 slide is up, I will just talk a little bit about the the control 191 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,880 of education part of it, because that of course is very pertinent 192 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,520 considering where we are, which is in the Hope Sussex community, 193 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,000 which has made a big splash and massive inroads into redefining 194 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,200 education in the right way. Because of course, education in 195 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,960 many respects is not now what probably you or I may have 196 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,920 experienced. If we did go from through some 197 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,520 sort of formal system, it has changed radically and the 198 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,440 reaction against that I would say is entirely appropriate. 199 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,880 But, but particularly on these two bills here, the first one 200 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,880 with the with the Children's Well-being in Schools Bill, is 201 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,520 that it is seeking to subvert the terminology that's used in 202 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,840 that it is creating the conditions whereby children who 203 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,000 are educated outside of a school setting are made to sound like 204 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,240 there's something wrong with them. 205 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,000 So that's that's how this is being reframed. 206 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,960 It's as though it is appropriate for children with special 207 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,160 educational needs that can't be met in a school system to be 208 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,400 brought out of it. And the reason for that is 209 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,560 because when you create this idea that the child effectively 210 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:59,560 has special needs, then in comes the state to be able to surveil 211 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:01,880 and monitor what is happening in the home. 212 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,160 That is effectively the way in which that piece of legislation 213 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,640 is playing out and needs to be kept a very close eye on. 214 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,320 And the reason I put the Holocaust Memorial Bill in there 215 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,520 is you may well have heard me talking about it on UK Column 216 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,040 News, which I have done a number of Times Now, if not just in 217 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,520 summary. The plan is for the gardens to 218 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,400 the South of the Palace of Westminster, which is the 219 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,080 Victoria Tower Garden, which already has a number of 220 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,640 significant monuments to various movements over the years, the 221 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,920 notable ones being universal suffrage and the abolition of 222 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,440 slavery. The idea proposed by the 223 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,200 Holocaust Memorial Bill is that an enormous memorial would take 224 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,400 over the entirety of that garden and that everything else would 225 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,200 in effect be either destroyed or marginalized. 226 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,040 But the critical part is that in 1900, an Act specifically 227 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,000 stipulated that the purpose of that garden was never to change. 228 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,640 And yet the Bill is absolutely uncompromising, saying that it 229 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,000 will ride roughshod over that and they couldn't care 2 hoots 230 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,840 about the planning. Westminster Council has refused 231 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,240 the planning on a number of occasions, but the government is 232 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,360 still talking as though there's absolutely not going to be any 233 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,400 impediment to this. Now, if it weren't concerning 234 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:14,520 the Holocaust and there weren't the focus on Israel and 235 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,640 Palestine as there currently is, then perhaps this wouldn't seem 236 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,280 like such a talking point. But The thing is, there is. 237 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,680 So it is enormously relevant. The other point to bring out, 238 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:27,200 which you may or may not be aware of, is that the only point 239 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,400 written down in law concerning the curriculum is that the 240 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,240 Holocaust must be taught in schools. 241 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,680 That is the only thing in the entire curriculum that must by 242 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:39,960 law be taught in schools. OK, so we're there. 243 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,720 There is no doubt that there is absolutely A cause for concern. 244 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,640 And as Mike quite rightly points out, whenever a prospective 245 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,440 piece of legislation is drafted, you you have to look at it with 246 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,120 a critical eye and think why is that written like that? 247 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,280 What is it about those particular terms that enable 248 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,560 such and such a thing to happen? And an example here which is 249 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:03,360 being pushed through at the moment. 250 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,360 Now in the police, what will be the Police and Policing and 251 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,520 Crime Bill? This is the the reason I've 252 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,000 chosen this particular image is because it concerns in this 253 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,720 instance something called a respect order. 254 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,480 But you may or may not be familiar with the increasing 255 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,760 prevalence of what are described as orders. 256 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,920 So whether they be, for example, a public spaces protection 257 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,720 order. Now you might know this is the 258 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,520 abortion buffer zone. So this enables local 259 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,280 authorities to create a zone in which something may be either 260 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,280 mandated to happen inside it or to be precluded to be pushed out 261 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,600 from it. And this is under the the idea 262 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,040 that an order can be created in order to either make something 263 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,120 happen or prevent it from happening. 264 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,040 Now the the particular point of law that makes it so troublesome 265 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,200 and respect orders are absolutely case in point here, 266 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,240 saying they're concerning nuisance, which obviously in 267 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,760 itself is not yet criminalised but is soon to be it. 268 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:10,240 It allows provision for either local authorities or the police 269 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,360 to set conditions whereby somebody may end up becoming a 270 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,680 criminal without actually committing a criminal act, which 271 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,200 is a very dangerous thing to do. And I'll just explain how that 272 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,600 works with a respect order in order to avoid what they're 273 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,040 describing as nuisance behaviour, somebody who may have 274 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,080 been reported for such and such a behaviour that does not meet 275 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,320 the threshold of a criminal sanction. 276 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,920 So therefore they have there's no crime report, there's no 277 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,840 criminal activity, but they have a respect order imposed upon 278 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,200 them in order that they don't create nuisance, whatever that's 279 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,080 supposed to mean. If they then breach that 280 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,640 nuisance or that that respect order, there is then a criminal 281 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,080 sanction. But you see the breach, the 282 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,280 order might simply be to go to an area or not go to an area. 283 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,200 So there's, that in itself is not a criminal act. 284 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,400 And this, this is exactly how these sorts of orders are coming 285 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:05,640 out. The, the other one would be the 286 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,080 serious violence reduction order, which says that it's 287 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,240 designed to reduce knife crime. In actual fact, in order to have 288 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,320 such an order placed on you, you do not have to have ever been 289 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,680 involved in knife crime. I there's, there's not time to 290 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,280 explain exactly the details about this, but but this is a 291 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,000 very, very disturbing progression. 292 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,320 The other thing, which is again sort of in a way at a different 293 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,560 end of the spectrum, but the planning and infrastructure bill 294 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,560 hailed by Angela Rayner as being the way in which, you know the 295 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,520 the plan, Labour's plan for the future, sorry, plan for change 296 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,840 is going to be radically developing this, that and the 297 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,320 other. OK, but 22 fundamental points 298 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,960 with this and how it bears relation to the constant refrain 299 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,520 that we are doing this in a sustainable manner and it's all 300 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,240 about the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals 301 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,080 and all the rest of it. Actually, what it does is grants 302 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,320 carte blanche for a number of different authorities to take 303 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:08,200 what is or could be valuable farmland and put any sort of 304 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,440 development that falls under the broad term of planning and 305 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,680 infrastructure on it. Now it gets worse because as if 306 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,800 farmland and farming wasn't already under enough threat, the 307 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,680 Planning and Infrastructure Bill specifically removes what's 308 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,480 called the development premium. So ordinarily if farmland was 309 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,480 and in my view shouldn't be, but if it were to be sold for 310 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,160 development of say housing, it might attract a development 311 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,840 premium of approximately £1,000,000 an acre, which 312 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,320 clearly as a landowner is a significant return. 313 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,280 The Planning and Infrastructure Bill enables a type of 314 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,360 compulsory purchase that means that they buy at agricultural 315 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:48,400 price. So therefore average maybe seven 316 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,800 8000 lbs an acre. OK, so, so if you think of how 317 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,960 that dramatically effects land owners who are told right mate, 318 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:59,360 we want to stick a wind farm there, we want to stick a 319 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:02,200 hospital there, whatever it is and they are only going to 320 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,040 recoup 7000 lbs an acre as opposed to £1,000,000 an acre 321 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,880 just gives you an idea of the weight of the devious way in 322 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,480 which this is done. The other point to make with in 323 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,360 terms of sustainability is that whilst there are many references 324 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:20,680 to the the creation of say solar energy and this, that and the 325 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:25,280 other, there is not a single reference to collecting water. 326 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,440 Now we're told we're in a period of drought this year. 327 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,920 We're told we haven't had a new reservoir for 30 years. 328 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:33,640 But what we are not told by this bill is how to catch water 329 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,280 ourselves. That I would say for a 330 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,640 government that's talking about sustainability and drought 331 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,200 resilience is something of an oversight or is it, or is it 332 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,760 entirely wilful that in fact we should be dependent upon a 333 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,400 failed water infrastructure that is going to prioritise energy 334 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,480 and data centres and artificial intelligence. 335 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,760 So it's very, very, it's a very, very cynical piece of 336 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,560 legislation. Now another thing again that 337 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:07,240 we've talked about a considerable amount is the what 338 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,480 became known really colloquial is the precision breeding 339 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,120 regulations. Again, this is sort of, this is 340 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:15,160 on the environment concerning farming, but actually it doesn't 341 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,840 just concern that concerns all of you because it is what you 342 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,200 may end up eating if you don't pay attention to this kind of 343 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,000 thing. So this is setting the 344 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,200 conditions for the production of food or at least what is going 345 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,880 to be called food that is produced in a sense 346 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,000 artificially. Now they try to sell it by 347 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,720 saying that this is a merely an abbreviated process of what is 348 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,120 traditionally known as either selective breeding or 349 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:47,240 hybridisation, which means to to try to magnify the optimal 350 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,760 characteristics of a particular species, whether it be plant or 351 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,480 animal. You would breed it over the 352 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,640 years in a particular way to end up with a plant or an animal in 353 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,960 a particular condition. And they're saying no, well, we 354 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:02,720 can do it by modifying the genetic material in order that 355 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,840 we simply. Abbreviate the time span. 356 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,880 Now that there are a number of issues with this, because Mike 357 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,080 will be able to recall the very specific terminology, but this 358 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:19,560 does actually not at all rule out the modification of the 359 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,400 gene. So this is in effect a gateway 360 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,240 to genetic modification. There are also not sufficient 361 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,760 provisions at all to prevent spread. 362 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,800 If this is conducted, particularly in a plant setting. 363 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:35,520 The parameters or at least perimeters that are set up to 364 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,800 deal with any cross pollination, cross contamination are totally 365 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,080 insufficient. And the other thing concerns 366 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:46,400 labelling which is going to be set out at least in the first 367 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,000 instance in such a way as to say right, well, we'll look, we're 368 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,680 going to do it in order that you don't end up with any sort of 369 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,440 precision bred organisms on the market. 370 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,560 We want to make it clear this is very separate, but actually when 371 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,360 you read into the legislation, it would be very, very easy to 372 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:06,280 invert that in order that the market only contains this sort 373 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,680 of material. And when you look at the 374 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,400 environmental Land Management schemes that are deliberately 375 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,000 taking farmland out of production, all the the other 376 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,680 many, many assaults on land owning the production of food, 377 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,680 in particular the production of meat and animal products. 378 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,920 It is very easy to see again how this could be wielded for great. 379 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,400 I'll now very quickly. I think this will also be 380 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,040 brought up in the in the news program. 381 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:34,320 But in so far as what can you do? 382 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,840 Yes, very quickly petitions by and large get thrown in the bin. 383 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,840 However, they do provide an audit trail. 384 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,840 They also enable us to look out of our window and see how many 385 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,440 other people think what we're thinking. 386 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,960 And in this instance, over half a million people have now signed 387 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,960 the Repeal the Online Safety Act bill. 388 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,760 So if you haven't done that, I would really encourage you to do 389 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,040 that. Sorry, Safety Act. 390 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,760 So there absolutely are actions. And in terms of actions, the 391 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,160 other thing I just want to close off by saying, and then I'll 392 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,640 just hand to Mike if he's got a couple of concluding remarks, is 393 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,080 we talk a lot about the legislation that is there, how 394 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,760 it gets manipulated, the stuff that's coming down the pipe, 395 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,040 what we have to be aware of. But how about the things that no 396 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,040 one ever bothers with, the Foreign Enlistment Act 1870. 397 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,040 Do you remember the time when Liz Truss, in her 15 minutes as 398 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,240 Prime Minister, said, by the way, if you want to go to 399 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,800 Ukraine and try and kill Russians, I will absolutely 400 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,600 support you. OK? 401 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,040 She didn't say those precise words, but she absolutely did 402 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:35,240 encourage British nationals to enter into the fray and that she 403 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,800 supported that. Now, the Foreign Enlistment Act 404 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:43,920 1870 absolutely expressly prohibits that kind of conduct 405 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,080 because technically at least, we are at peace with Russia. 406 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,640 So to enter into or to enlist in the armed forces of a foreign 407 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,440 nation that is in conflict with a country that we are at peace 408 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,440 with is against the law, unless you've had the express 409 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,720 permission of the monarch. I know for a fact, because I've 410 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,960 asked both the Home Office and the Foreign Commonwealth and 411 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,920 Development Office, that nobody has had such permission. 412 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,800 And yet we have people like Jack Lopresti, the former 413 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,960 Conservative MP promoted by all the media organisations as going 414 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,240 out and handling heavy weapons in Ukraine. 415 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,520 Actually, he has a desk job, but that's by the by. 416 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,120 So isn't it amazing, you know, the law is there to be picked 417 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,040 and chosen as appropriate. Now the other one, again 418 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,240 pertinent going back to the point about the Middle East, is 419 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,400 the International Criminal Court Act 2001, under which Section 52 420 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,120 makes it very, very clear that if in any way you support as an 421 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:45,280 individual or as an organization conduct ancillary to genocide, 422 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:50,520 crimes against humanity or war crimes, you by association are 423 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,440 guilty of those offences. So every single member of at 424 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,760 least the current government and the last two governments should 425 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,880 fall foul of this piece of legislation. 426 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,720 It is conveniently forgotten, I should just say, actually, 427 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,640 sorry. Going back to the Foreign 428 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,080 Enlistment Act, people have tried to say, well, that's from 429 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,920 1870, yes, you know, no one was around then. 430 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,960 Doesn't doesn't really matter anymore, does it? 431 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,080 Which is an interesting one because of course, the offences 432 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,920 against the person Act was written in 1861. 433 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:22,160 And I'm pretty sure that if someone came and punched me in 434 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,000 the face that that would still carry some sort of effect. 435 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:28,680 So again, this the, the, the cherry picking is perfectly 436 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,080 phenomenal. So that's a quick canter 437 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,440 through, I appreciate quite technical, but but it is one of 438 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,840 the things to be mindful of. And I think when we consider the 439 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,080 big question, which is what, what, what can we do about it? 440 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,520 That the, the central point is to maintain the pressure and 441 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,960 there are fruits of those labours. 442 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,560 OK, admittedly I'm not suggesting that these things get 443 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,480 rolled over immediately, but just as one example, Section 44 444 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,480 of the Terrorism Act 2000 was repealed. 445 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,160 And this was to do with searching without suspicion in, 446 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,960 in the days the the sort of early 2000s when basically 447 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,960 anyone with a slightly darker shade of skin could just be 448 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,720 searched absolutely Willy nilly, that was repealed. 449 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,760 OK, so so this stuff not only can be repealed, but also if 450 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,040 there is a groundswell of opinion against it, we can see 451 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,800 that other people are out there, other people are thinking what 452 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,560 we're thinking. So I don't for one moment think 453 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,560 that this is too overwhelming, too much, too big to deal with. 454 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,840 Absolutely it's not. But we do need to talk to each 455 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,400 other and inform and report back as to how we've got on and see 456 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,280 the pressure. As an example, look at what 457 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,720 Yvette Cooper has had to do in the last couple of weeks. 458 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,920 She's written in the Observer. She's she's written an effective 459 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,120 justification of why she absolutely had to prescribe 460 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,680 Palestine action. Now does that suggest that 461 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,560 somebody has made a confident decision as to home Secretary 462 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,160 And no, she got it right. I don't think so. 463 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,520 Mike, any concluding remarks? OK, well, look, we've got, we've 464 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,560 probably got 5-7 minutes or so for questions. 465 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,800 If anybody has anything that they would like to ask about 466 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,120 that or if that was all a bit much, then 5 or 10 minutes to 467 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:14,920 sit there in complete silence and just absorb it. 468 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,720 But but sort of up to you if, if anybody would like to ask, we'd 469 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:24,520 be delighted to to hear. Increasingly AI makes it 470 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,760 difficult to know what's the truth in social media platform 471 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,800 news platforms and whilst I regard highly UK column, can you 472 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,560 just explain where you get your information and how it's 473 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,800 validated? Absolutely. 474 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,720 I mean, in very simple terms from the source. 475 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,600 So if there, if there were and and and actually, that's a 476 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,320 really, really good point. First of all, not just about AI, 477 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,960 but about the sort of Chinese whispers, the use of social 478 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,120 media and the way in which stuff gets incredibly badly 479 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:54,240 misreported. And I'm not going down the 480 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,800 Mariana Spring route with this, but but this, this is a really, 481 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,320 really important point because it's very easy for something to 482 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,680 be, you know, simply referring to something as an act when it's 483 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,800 still a bill or, you know, just changing the wording or missing 484 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,520 a wording. It's very, very easily done. 485 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,600 And I'm not suggesting there's a, there's a deliberate intent 486 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,920 there. But in as far as we're 487 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,600 concerned, we would always go back to the source. 488 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,160 So if it concerns legislation, you and it's it's in draft form, 489 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,320 you would go to the Parliament website and you look at the the 490 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,760 latest iteration of that and any, any amendment that's there. 491 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:33,120 So if it can't be substantiated by the source document in that 492 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,720 we we can't find it, the we would request it. 493 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,440 And if it's, if it's potential to a government or or indeed 494 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,760 sort of associated agency, then to go to them to ask them as a 495 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,160 valid media enquiry, which again raises a really good point 496 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,320 because you should you would think that a response to an 497 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,160 organization in a media capacity should be there. 498 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,160 There should be no bias. But of course, sometimes there 499 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,720 is, sometimes one doesn't necessarily get the response 500 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,120 that you should or would if you were working for the Times or 501 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:08,840 the Telegraph or or whatever. And indeed, their threshold for 502 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,920 dealing with follow up questions, certainly in my 503 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,840 experience, is that you will get switched off a lot sooner than 504 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,800 you would if you were apparently in support of whatever it is 505 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,400 they're doing rather than questioning it. 506 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,440 But the but the, the short answer is the source. 507 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,920 And, and this is where AI and social media and Chinese 508 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,320 whispers is can be a proper disaster. 509 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,240 I would just add to that and say, you know, if you're 510 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,440 watching UK column news on the UK column website as opposed to 511 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,520 the other platforms, we always publish the show notes 512 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,120 underneath which include which include all those primary 513 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,200 sources that we've talked about during the program. 514 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,520 But increasingly, if you look at our written content, as we have 515 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,640 always done, by the way, News Guard and and some of the other 516 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,120 so-called fact checkers claim that we don't do this. 517 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,560 But of course we always cite the information that that we're 518 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,640 talking about in hyperlinks in the article. 519 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,320 Now on the mainstream press. Now you will see that they no 520 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,600 longer do this. They self reference. 521 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,600 So you will see that, you know, they say something about 522 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,080 Plymouth and they'll hyperlink the word Plymouth and that takes 523 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,160 you to a page that lists all their content about Plymouth 524 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,200 rather than taking to the information about some 525 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,760 information that you might find useful about Plymouth or the 526 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,840 references, the thing that they're talking about. 527 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600 So they are removing source material. 528 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,000 They'll talk about reports where where such and such an 529 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,320 organization has published a report about such and such a 530 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,760 subject. But by the way, you can't read 531 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,360 it for yourself because we're not going to give you the link 532 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,560 to it and it'll be impossible to find, right? 533 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,520 Trust us. And that's what the BBC and the 534 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,760 mainstream media are all about now is trust. 535 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,520 And we're saying no, don't trust us, trust, trust yourselves. 536 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,560 We're giving our interpretation, our analysis. 537 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,680 We're not saying we're right, but here's the primary source 538 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,760 material. You decide, and if you think 539 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,840 you're wrong, you come back and tell us why we're wrong. 540 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,920 And that helps us and that helps you. 541 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,120 So that's the way it should be in my opinion. 542 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,360 The only other thing I would add just just to understand fully 543 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,320 this, the very, very cynical environment, which is sort of 544 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,840 just just outside of us, is that Twitter X, as it's now 545 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:24,000 apparently called, has a, has a absolutely a bias towards 546 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,040 content that does not include links. 547 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,040 So if something is put out there, say a screenshot which 548 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,000 purports to be about, you know, something that's happened or 549 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,240 something where you would absolutely want to check the 550 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,200 source, it is algorithmically much more likely to go far 551 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,120 further if there's not a link substantiating the particular 552 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,080 point than if there was. So it looks very obviously like 553 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,720 this is deliberately too muddy the waters. 554 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,080 OK, so so there are many ways in which this, you know, the whole 555 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,200 system is deliberately designed to throw you off the off the 556 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,160 sand. Any more questions? 557 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,480 Hi, what push back or protest can the public make that the 558 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,280 government will take notice of? Well, I think I mean. 559 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,920 Right, yeah. Look, look, the first thing I'd 560 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,800 say about that is this isn't about the government taking 561 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,560 notice. This is about other people 562 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,000 taking notes. Similar petition here. 563 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,320 I mean, petitions, we all know petitions are rubbish. 564 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,720 They're, you know, in a sense they're a waste of time because 565 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,720 the government is not going to take any notice of them. 566 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,040 I mean, the government has already replied to that one 567 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,920 basically saying, well, we're not going to repeal the Online 568 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,960 Safety Act, so get stuffed. It's basically their, their 569 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,080 attitude. We should be using every tool 570 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,200 available to us, whether that's through public demonstration or 571 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,920 pro or petition or whatever it is to help us get the word out 572 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,400 other people that we, we are so censored on social media and so 573 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,880 on. What we need is to do things 574 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,400 that that social media can't censor because it's too big and 575 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,160 they can't possibly censor it. So that's where these tools, and 576 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,880 we should only view them as tools, in my opinion, are 577 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,480 useful. So make the demonstration, sign 578 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,720 the petition, do everything that we can possibly do, because that 579 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,960 means that another person might just see that piece of 580 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,360 information and act on it themselves. 581 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,640 That would be my thoughts on that. 582 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,440 Yeah, All I was going to add, I mean, it's difficult to set out 583 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,000 a sort of particular template, but but one example in terms of 584 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,880 let's say direct action, which of course is what it relates to 585 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,120 in the 1st place, was a couple of weeks ago, Metropolitan 586 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,720 Police Service arrested 466 people in Parliament Square 587 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,680 because of the protest about Palestine action. 588 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,760 Every single one was released without charge. 589 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,120 So, so there is a point at which a system, particularly a 590 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,840 physical system, you know, the Mets have only got a certain 591 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,280 number of cells in custody, blah, blah, blah, blah. 592 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,600 It becomes far too onerous and far too obvious that public 593 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,960 opinion is, is not going to, to, to work with that. 594 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,040 So I think there just needs to be confidence in one's belief 595 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,160 and in the fact that other people exactly why I point to 596 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,200 petitions, confidence that other people will share that belief 597 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,040 and will actually support you in what you're doing. 598 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,160 Because I think people are there. 599 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,280 I mean, otherwise, crikey, we'd be talking to an empty room, 600 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,920 empty tent. We're not. 601 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,720 We know that people now are actually going up to get it in 602 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,600 through the through the thing. That is true. 603 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,960 I know people at home might think I'm bluffing, but I'm not. 604 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,720 So yeah. OK, One, one more. 605 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,320 Oh, sorry. 1st as if this works. Oh yeah. 606 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:38,160 So I fell for my first AI hoax on YouTube where Sid Starmer had 607 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,200 taken money that he shouldn't and the Supreme Court had ruled 608 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,520 that he had to step down. And I thought that sounds good 609 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,080 to be true. So I still put it on Facebook. 610 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:54,080 And then the other thing is all your content, the Alex Jones 611 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,000 has, the Infowars, he does lots of links. 612 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,520 And you may agree or not agree, but you know, ultimately they 613 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,920 said that that what they wanted to do to him was take his 614 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,200 content like they could take yours, steal it, repackage it 615 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,080 and decredit, discredit it. And if they can break laws like 616 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,199 that, how do you protect your copyright? 617 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,800 That that's a very good question. 618 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,159 And there is no way because as you probably know, a the AI 619 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,480 companies are hoovering up all kinds of copyright content at 620 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,679 the moment to so-called train the AI. 621 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,639 And this is resulting in court cases in the United States and 622 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,480 the UK everywhere. And so far they are generally 623 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:39,120 being won by the AAI companies on AII would just say, you know, 624 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,159 this is going to be something which is going to become very, 625 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,159 very hard for all of us in the not too distant future. 626 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,239 It's already hard because there's so much AI generated 627 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,600 content already starting to appear on social media 628 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,199 platforms, which is hard to identify as being. 629 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,720 And that's why always going back to the primary source is is 630 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,600 important. And so we should be sharing 631 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,600 material, but we should be absolutely careful about how 632 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,640 we're sharing material and what material we're sharing. 633 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:14,360 And it's very attractive to, you know, if if something is is 634 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:20,640 apparently really hard hitting and, and is exciting and, and 635 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,320 maybe it shows somebody up like Starmer up as being the criminal 636 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,800 that he might be, then obviously we want to share it. 637 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,080 But that's that's the point where we should be saying to 638 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,600 ourselves, hold on a second. And you know, it, it, it is a 639 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,160 common criticism of the column that it takes us ages to cover a 640 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,040 particular topic. And, and there's a reason for 641 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,360 that. And the reason for that is 642 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,800 because we're careful and, and we want to absolutely, to the 643 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,480 best of our ability, make sure that we're right in what we say. 644 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,640 Now, that takes time. And so we're not necessarily 645 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,520 covering the latest thing on the day that it happens. 646 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,760 It might be a few days later or whatever, because we we need to 647 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,960 take the time to just try to establish exactly what the facts 648 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,880 are. Righto folks, that does draw the 649 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,440 first session of the day to a close, so I know you've had your 650 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,040 hand up, but we.