Hello and welcome to another interview.
My name's Debbie Evans from UK Column and the 27th of January
was a very important day whose time just ran out.
The World Health Organization has proposed an international
pandemic treaty which would give it the power to declare a global
health emergency to enforce lockdowns, mandatory
vaccinations and vaccine passports.
No matter where you live, whichever country you're in
right now, are you prepared to lose your sovereignty, giving it
all up with your rights to allow the World Health Organization,
who are run by unelected officials, to have the capacity
to bring your country to its knees?
The Pandemic Preparedness Treaty is due to be discussed in May at
the 77th World Health Assembly. I am so grateful to be joined
this afternoon by James Rogosky, who is an author and activist, A
researcher, and a very, very hard working, tired man.
He's got his finger on the WH OS pulse.
He has spent, I don't know how many hours translating,
interpreting, understanding all of the International health
Regulations. He's worked around the clock to
tell the public what is going on behind the WH OS doors and in
order to stop them from a power grab And and James is a very
humble man and I know that he is doing this because he wants to
get the truth out. This is the reason why he wants
to get the truth out. And we're now at a crucial time
where it would appear that The Who are not so comfortable as
they were. Are they worried?
Have we, the public, made a difference and has James
Rogowski exposed what is going on at The Who?
James, welcome. Thank you so much.
I know we're going to be talking about Article 55, and you've got
a very important message for everyone.
Wherever they live, you've got a very important message for them
today. Well, you know, thank you very
much for the opportunity to share that information with you
and and with your audience. You're making me blush with the
praise. It's really more about the
information, and unfortunately I think that a lot of people have
gotten a surface view of various aspects of what is going on.
But that is overshadowing what is really going on with these
various negotiations. And hopefully by the end of this
interview, people will be much more clear on what I think you
know really is happening, what is going on, who's behind it
all, and what we all need to do about it.
And we're super grateful for that and we we have been
following your sub stack and all the links will be beneath this
interview. But you've been advising us what
to do, to tell our politicians, to tell our governments and I
remember telling a politician back in 2021 on record about the
this power grab by The Who and they didn't know.
And only now are parliaments and governments starting to listen.
And I do believe, since listening to Ted Ross, the
director of The Who, he has got some reservations that countries
aren't they they're not complying as he would expect
them to comply. And of course, we've got the
World Health Assembly coming up, James, in May, and this pandemic
treaty is going to be discussed. However, you've noticed
something very important. Well, you've noticed something
that hasn't happened, a lot of things that haven't happened
that should have happened. So tell us about January that
the relevance of January the 27th and the relevance of
Article 55. Well, first and foremost, I
think everyone needs to be very clear, and this may sound
strange, but I actually encourage people, if they can
get out three separate sheets of paper and compartmentalize in
your mind the fact that there are at least three separate
things that have been discussed and they all seem to get jumbled
together. And so then when these things
are spoken about by the media, Tedros will come along and say,
well, that's misinformation because quite frankly, it is
because attributes of 1 document get attributed to a different 1.
The timelines get it all mixed up.
And so let me see if I can just lay out those different things.
And I'll start with the one that you very specifically mentioned
with the amendments to the International Health
Regulations. There's actually two different
sets of amendments that are very important.
And January 27th, 2024, which most importantly has passed, is
four months in advance of the beginning of the May Assembly,
the 77th World Health Assembly. Well, Article 55 is very
important because it says that any nation can submit amendments
to the International Health Regulations, but they have to do
so actually more than four months in advance, at least a
couple of days more, so that they can present any amendments
to the director general. And what Article 55 says is then
the director General would then communicate any proposed
amendments 4 months before the start of the assembly.
Because, as is clear in this case, you know, it could be very
complicated and the nations should have that time period to
consider them before they're asked to vote on them when they
get to the assembly. And so that date has passed.
To my knowledge, the Director General has not submitted in
their terms a complete package of targeted amendments to the
International Health Regulations in alignment with Article 55 SA.
Strict reading of that international regulation is that
they missed their deadline and they don't get to make any
changes in May unless they cheat and ignore that rule, come up
with some excuse, say something along the lines of, oh, I'm
sorry, you know, the dog ate our homework, you know, just ignore
that rule. We're going to keep negotiating,
and that appears to be what they intend to do.
They have meetings scheduled for Monday February 5th and that
week through the 9th. They have more meetings
scheduled in April the 22nd to the 26th.
And they have spoken their intent to just ignore that rule
and keep negotiating right up to the last minute.
And whenever maybe they reach an agreement, drop it on the table
to be considered without that four month period of time.
For, you know, do notice and and and, you know, complete and do
notice as the words of Stephen Solomon.
So that ample consideration, discussion and debate could
occur on what they're negotiating now in that package
of amendments. If you go back all the way to
September 30th, 2022, they had all of the nations submit
initially proposed amendments. They kept it secret until
December of 2022. Then they did reveal it and I've
certainly been reporting on it. You've reported on it.
Many people have talked about it, but they've had secret
negotiations for well over a year and they have not yet
published A revised version. In their documentation for the
meetings that they're having from February 5th to the 9th,
they have, they have alluded to the Bureau which is the small
group of two Co chairs and six, I'm sorry, four vice chairs, six
people from one from each region.
They will be presenting their new text for, you know these 300
different amendments. Well, when are we the people
going to get an opportunity to see what they've been doing in
secret it their initial plan was to have their final meeting in
December, wrap it all up, hand it over to the review committee
to dot all the IS and cross all the TS submitted in mid January
to make their deadline. And then there would have been a
four month period where everyone would be able to consider it.
Well, they have failed and they told us in October that they
were going to fail. And so, you know, just with that
one track, what Tedros was alluding to was, well, if the
nations don't give on their position and reach an agreement,
then no one is going to get right.
Well, well, what are, what are nations going to get?
You have to understand that they're not negotiating issues
regarding your health. This is a trade dispute.
I've been trying to get people to comprehend that this whole
time. This is about relatively poor
nations wanting to build equity into the International Health
Regulations because they're upset that they gave over
genomic sequencing data. Very specifically in South
Africa, when Omicron popped up, Botswana and South Africa handed
over the information about the genomic sequencing, as they were
supposed to do according to the International Health
Regulations. And what they were greeted with
was travel restrictions. And then they watched Pfizer and
Moderna turn that information into billions of dollars in the
form of the boosters. And they are unhappy that they
did not receive any benefit as part of the International Health
Regulations. And so people need to understand
that this is a trade dispute. And there's all kinds of other
things, you know, being cooked up in these many, many
documents. But this is, you know, a battle
where, you know, it's a revisiting of colonialism.
The smaller nations feel like they're being forced to give up
their natural resources. Their their nations are being
pillaged yet again by pharmaceutical companies for the
intellectual property associated with pathogens, which are, if
you look at it, the raw material that is incredibly valuable to
those corporations who can refine that information.
You know, the genetic information.
If you look at it from, you know, how you would do mining?
They're mining data. They're refining it and turning
it into a finished product that has added value and they're
making billions of dollars while the nations where the raw
material is gathered didn't get any because they couldn't afford
the finished product. This is corporate colonialism
and that's what these negotiations really are all
about. And any other discussions are
are are valid on a certain level.
But they've been overshadowing what I think is really driving
these negotiations. And so way back in December 1st
of 2021, after a special session of the World Health Assembly,
the declaration was made that they wanted The Who to oversee
negotiations to ensure equitable access to pandemic related
products. Now that's not just jabs, that's
ventilators in Midazolam and Paxlovid and Molnupiravir and
Remdesivir and all of the jabs. The insanity of all of this is
the relatively poor nations are arguing that they should have
equitable access to the things that I think they should be
counting their blessings they didn't have access to.
But it goes much deeper than that because this this is built
out of, you know, being colonized all over again, having
their resources extracted and turned into money, and then
being in a position where the finished product is not
available to them. You know, Canada and EU and all
the other nations bought up 10 times what they needed.
And if you allow yourself to believe that the jabs were life
saving, then you can see why a trade dispute is what is going
on here. If anything, it should be being
conducted by the World Trade Organization, not the World
Health Organization. And so the argument at the
moment is about intellectual property and manufacturing, know
how and investment capital to build out the industries.
It's it's a parallel to every other aspect of life in the
world. The developing nations want to
develop their own pharmaceutical hospital, emergency industrial
complex so they can profit and control whatever drugs and jams
they force upon their own people and then profit from it.
I don't think too many people have been talking about that.
I think you're absolutely right, James.
And when you say it like that and you put it in those terms,
yes, of course we are a commodity.
And yeah I think you're absolutely right that this all
should if it was anything was going to be conducted, it would
have been more appropriate for the World Trade Organization.
But I'm, I'm thinking too that, you know, a lot of people forget
that The Who, he's also a sister organization to the United
Nations who themselves are setting up their own emergency
platform. But just to just to sort of
summarise quickly about what you've just said, because no
matter whether they're operating on a trade deal or a genomic
sequencing deal or a vaccination spree, whatever their aims are,
everything is wrong, right. So they have now missed their
deadline, which means technically they can't talk
about any of the amendments or the International Health
Regulations at the 77th World Health Assembly.
They've missed the deadline. So that's it.
But like you say, unless they cheat and we have every reason
to believe that, they probably will.
And you've always been one step ahead of them, James.
I mean, you really have and I know that you've put out a very
powerful YouTube and it's a very serious YouTube that you have
addressed actually to your president, to President Biden,
to Blinken personally. And it's very hard hitting.
And I think my next question is going to be Article 55.
What do we do? What do we do in all the
countries that are watching today?
I'm here in the UK. What would you say that we do?
Do we need to do what you did, which is put out a message to
our Prime Minister or to the president or Prime Minister of
your country? How do individuals make a stand
against this Now Article 55? Certainly understanding where
the power resides in these negotiations now, one of the
things that most people want to do is they want to speak to
either their member of Parliament, their
representative, their senator, by whatever name it may be in
every country. And I encourage everyone to do
that. But in many nations, very
specifically, I first learned about this in Australia and I I
published a long article about it and it hurt a lot of people's
heads because it doesn't register.
It doesn't feel right because it is not right.
It's wrong. In many nations, especially in
the British Commonwealth, the power flows from the King to the
executive branch of government, and the Parliament has no say in
the making of the decision as to whether or not to enter into the
agreement. Now it has been deeply confused
because people naturally assume that this is a health related
agreement. So they want to complain about,
you know, deciding their own health because they're not
paying attention to the trade aspect of this.
So it's not just the health minister, it's not just the
foreign minister. It really should be you know the
commercial or trade minister or you know in in England it's the
department of of foreign development office and and so
this doesn't fit what people have assumed it to be.
So they're pulling on the wrong levers of government and they're
yelling at or you know, upset with their representative, not
realizing that your members of Parliament or for the most part,
you know, any legislative body around the world has already
been cut out of the decision making process.
So in the United States, the executive branch, the authority
comes from the president to the Secretary of State and then
quite frankly, the power to negotiate has to go to whomever
they delegate to be involved in these negotiations.
I encourage everyone in every nation to identify who with
small letters, who has the authority to be involved in the
negotiations to make these decisions and you know who is
representing you at these who negotiations.
Now in the debate that happened in the UK in on December 18th,
the I believe it was? The Health Minister was asked
point blank. Who is conducting these
negotiations? And he said he was civil
servants and he wasn't going to say.
And so how is that aligned with the concept of representative
democracy when some unknown, unnamed, unaccountable person is
negotiating on your behalf and the ministry that you think is
in charge of that will not tell you who that is so that you can
have any say in the matter, This is the problem.
And so for me, in the United States, it's not members of
Congress, it should be members of the Senate.
But in each nation, people understand who all letters is
representing you at UHO at these negotiations and express your
opinion very clearly to them that Well, hold on just a
moment, guys. Your rules in the International
Health Regulations state very clearly and your Co chairs going
all the way back to February of 2023 and your legal counsel and
then again in October have stated very clearly that they
know that there's a deadline. And Doctor Abdullah Asiri said
very clearly, well, you know, a deadline is a deadline unless
you think you're above the law, and they apparently do.
And so next week when they have their meetings, if they happen
to stumble over a a small pile of integrity and start their
meeting by saying to the world and and put out some type of
press release saying, well, you know, we're continuing these
discussions and these negotiations, we're nowhere near
a final agreement. So we're not going to be able to
decide this at the May 2024 assembly.
We missed our deadline. And so we're continuing these
negotiations and we'll catch you next year in 2025.
Now, I wouldn't put it past them to understand the rules.
Continue these negotiations and then do.
What they did in 2021 is call for a special session four
months out, get the negotiations done, recognize the rule of law
that you have to give four months notice and then set up a
special meeting, give that four months notice for discussion and
debate, and then meet again like they did in 2021.
But if the rule of law has any meaning still to this day, we
the people are going to have to be the ones who enforce it
because clearly our governments are not doing so and they are
openly conspiring. And yes, I use that word because
I have all of the evidence they're conspiring to ignore
that four month notice. Now Debbie, if I may, this is a
good time to talk about something else that I feel is
very important. You mentioned 2021.
Quite frankly you were on the job before.
I was. I didn't really start paying
attention to this until early 2022.
And what I came to learn was the Biden administration followed
these rules. And so now I'm going to talk
about a totally separate situation.
So don't don't get these confused.
What I have been talking about were the 300 plus amendments
that they're currently negotiating.
But back in 2022 the Biden administration followed the
rules. I have to give credit where
credit is due. Lloyd's Pace was the person who
signed off on the document that they submitted on January 18th
2022, a package of amendments to 13 articles.
Well, what happened to that was with that four months notice,
which came about a month and 1/2 after all of the nations started
in these trade dispute negotiations.
Biden's administration submits a package of amendments that did
not address their demands for equity at all.
And those nations looked at what he proposed.
They had four months to review it, and very quietly, they
kicked it to the curb long before the main assembly
started. It was clear that that was dead
in the water. That four month period gave the
nations of the world the opportunity to review what the
Biden administration said they wanted and they just kicked it
to the curb. Now then what happened is so
astonishing people just it doesn't want to sink in in the
middle of the assembly on May 24th.
The UK, the EU, the Biden administration, a handful of
other nations in violation of Article 55, submitted a
different package of amendments, 5 amendments in total.
Now some people will say, Oh well, that was just the one
leftover, but it actually submitted a change to the rules
in Article 62 about how a reservation could be made for an
amendment. So it wasn't just a technical
change. It was actually new authorities
being introduced with a new package of amendments,
absolutely in violation of Article 55.
They discussed it in quiet backroom meetings for a couple
of days. They had a committee meeting to
a very perfunctory oh, nobody disagrees.
OK, great, nobody's in the room. But they claimed that that was a
valid vote, which it was not. And then they published a
document on May 28th saying that they had approved these
amendments. Well, number one, they were
illegitimately submitted. And lo and behold, they never
actually had a vote. They just said they did.
And we did manage to get a dozen Members of the European
Parliament on November 28th, a little more than two months ago,
send a letter to the Director General, Tedros and say, look,
you know, the amendments that you say you adopted in 2022, on
May 28th, 2022, there's no vote. So, you know, I don't know how
it is everywhere else in the world, but in the United States,
there's a lot of arguments about election and and voting
integrity. They've taken it to a whole new
level. They they just said they had a
vote and they didn't. And so by my reckoning and the
last word in the letter from the Members of the European
Parliament to Tetris, we said without evidence that you
actually voted properly or voted at all, these are null and void.
So those amendments were the ones that were associated 18
months after that was December 1st of 2023.
Many people may have been aware of the fact that there was a
petition in the UK, about 100 and some thousand signatures, to
have a discussion about that, because those changes by UK law
should have been presented to Parliament for 21 days, not to
be approved, but to have the opportunity to reject that.
Well, the administrative, you know, processes were not
followed. They never did that.
And they scheduled the debate for 18 days after the deadline.
And nobody raised the issue that I just raised.
Nobody said a word about, hey, hold on a moment, Did you guys
even vote? We talked about a lot of stuff.
Lot of hot air got pushed around the room, and a lot of people
make comments about it, but they missed the point.
The point was Parliament was supposed to have already had the
opportunity to reject something that was fraudulently submitted
in the 1st place. And so that's the second point
of enforcing Article 55. They didn't even come close to
doing that in 2022. And so every suspicion that they
would be all too happy to just drop a large document on the
table in May of 2024 without, as Stephen Solomon said, you know,
complete, timely and complete notice.
They clearly have missed their deadline and it appears that
they're continuing the negotiations next week.
And it appears because they've said so, they intend to just
ignore that rule because, you know, I I guess they believe
that they're above the law. James, you know after that,
after that and there's so much to unpack there.
But you speak so eloquently and what terrifies me is that if you
hadn't have done all of this work and this scrutiny over
pouring over and I know that you're a very humble man.
And and and I know you hate me saying things that kind of make
it appear about you because I know it isn't about you.
But you do literally pour hours and and your soul, your spirit
into this. And if you weren't doing this,
we wouldn't know. It's as simple as that.
I mean, one of our MPs here in the UK, Andrew Bridgen, is
certainly trying very hard to to get more parliamentarians to
discuss this because half of them haven't got a clue.
They don't understand I don't think the power of The Who and
that you know many of them were voting to leave Europe to retain
our sovereignty, to get our sovereignty back.
So the the, the thought that a non governmental organization
such as The Who could suddenly snatch away our sovereignty
seems impossible to many of these parliamentarians it just
seems like a land that they they wouldn't even identify with.
Is that unbelievable? But after what you've said, you
know, I think it is very important for each and every one
of us to take action. We can't leave everything to
you. And you're there advising us
what to do. And since, uh, you've been
speaking in the UK anyway, um, I think it's Lord Cameron.
That is our foreign Minister. So please write to Lord Cameron.
And I'm going to ask you, James, in a minute what you think
people should actually be saying.
Because I know that people shouldn't be writing long rambly
emails or even letters that they should keep it concise to the
point and factual. But it's Lord Cameron in the UK,
Foreign Secretary, Foreign minister, and also Grant Shapps
is Trade minister in the UK. And bearing in mind everything
there that James has been saying is that basically we've and
writing to the wrong people we need to focus this now as a
trade deal. Then James, what should we be?
What would you advise our viewers write down?
Or do you have a template of something on your sub stack
perhaps? There are many, many things, but
I think the simple answer is to spread the word because
whatever. However this video is presented
out there, the easiest starting point for anybody is just take
the link you know that hopefully is you know right down below
here and or up above wherever it may be and and share this video
so that other people gain this awareness.
I'm going to say something else that maybe will surprise you.
The issue is such that if you go back to the beginning of 2020
till now, your nation, my nation, every nation around the
planet, did not need amendments to the International Health
Regulations. They did not need a new pandemic
treaty or framework convention or agreement or whatever they
want to call it, which we haven't even really talked about
yet. They didn't need those things to
absolutely abuse and and trample on your rights and your
freedoms. It's not a question of national
sovereignty, it's a question of dictatorial rule by those who
feel they are your sovereign. And so people need to understand
that the details of how the laws within your nation have either
been crafted to abuse your rights and freedoms or have been
overreached by the people who are supposed to be protecting
your rights and freedoms. But they used their position in
a dictatorial way that didn't require amendments or a new
treaty. OK, the amendments and the new
agreement are to distribute wealth and products to nations
that didn't get those the first time around.
They missed a bunch of black and brown people around the world,
and those people didn't get a chance to participate in the
pandemic profiteering. That's what these negotiations
are about. Your rights and your freedoms
are already abundantly endangered by the people who
harmed you and took away those rights and freedoms over the
last four years. Now, a handful of examples.
You look at what recently happened in Canada with Trudeau
and the decision saying, yes, he overstepped his authority
implementing the Emergencies Act.
Well, in Canada, there's a petition, I encourage people to
go to canadianpetition.com. There's about 85,000 signatures
saying they want to leave the WHL, but there were over 400,000
signatures. I believe it was the largest
number of signatures on a petition ever having a vote of
no confidence in their government.
What what person could possibly at this point in time, have any
confidence in any government on the planet?
And so wherever it is you feel that you want to express your
views towards anybody in government, I encourage you to
do so to the best of your ability.
But realize that the decision making power probably does not
reside in your Member of Parliament.
The decision making power resides in the dictatorial,
tyrannical executive branch of your government, and those
people do a good job of pushing off the jobs to some unknown
bureaucrat who's unaccountable, unelected, and largely unknown.
Step number one is to identify, again in small letters, who
represents you at The Who. Most people on the planet have
absolutely no idea. And so the problem here is not
one of national sovereignty. There are issues there with
nations, you know, being asked to agree to comply with certain
things that are in these documents.
The issue is how we, the people have lost control over our own
governments. They're abusing our rights on a
daily basis within our nation. And they feel that they have all
of the authority to go into international agreements and
make decisions without any input from us whatsoever.
They would then bring those decisions back to the
legislative body and say we've made this decision, you now have
to implement it. Well, what are they going to be
implementing? They're going to be implementing
the transfer of wealth. Oh, how much is this going to
cost? They want to build laboratories
and, you know, genomic sequencing capabilities around
the world. How much is that going to cost?
That's really the only thing they're going to ask the
legislators to do is essentially say, give money into this
program to give to the Pharmaceutical industry.
And so the Pharmaceutical industry wants this deal to
happen, but they don't want the intellectual property rights to
be taken away. They want to still make all the
profit and that's what's holding up these negotiations.
It's always follow the money. I think what you said that too
is very important James and that on your sub stack on your
website there is a list of all the representatives from all
countries. And indeed actually on last
Friday's UK column news on the 26th of January we featured
exactly that document and we found out that heading the UK as
representative was a lady called Miss L Collins, Miss Laura
Collins. And we've looked a little bit at
her. So please go and have a look at
the news in in the archives on 26th of January where we always
show James's sub stack and encourage people to go and look
at the information. Because honestly this is your
freedom. Your freedom will be denied if
you allow these people The Who. And let's face it, let's face it
James, none of us voted for The Who.
None of us had a say in in whether we were going to even
support them. We most people hadn't heard of
them really until the pandemic and that's one point I will go
back to is that you say spread the word and indeed we are going
to spread the word and we are trying to spread the word as far
and wide as we can. Our audience and many of the
people that know about you and your work, James, are familiar
with The Who, the Pandemic Preparedness Treaty,
international health regulations, know we've got a
very well researched audience. But what would you say to
members of our audience when they're talking to members of
their family that have absolutely no clue about what is
going on, really, and probably more excited about planning
their summer holiday than worrying about what's going on
in Geneva. Have you, have you come across
any kind of like Ice Breakers or easy ways of of broaching this
huge subject in a way that you can actually get people's
attention and engagement? Well, I'll.
I'll role play with you here a little bit, OK.
Have you ever heard of the Wuhan Institute of Virology?
Yes. Do you think we need to have
many, many more such research facilities where people go out
into the world, they search everywhere imaginable, using the
one health method to bring pathogens into the laboratory to
analyse them so that they can make them more dangerous?
Do you think that's a good idea? No, absolutely not.
Do you realize what The Who and these negotiations are doing,
that it's a trade dispute and they want to put 10s of billions
of dollars into? Now we'll talk a little bit
about what everyone calls the treaty.
They want to implement the one health approach where they
believe that the most dangerous thing going is the transfer of
pathogens from animals to humans.
So they're going to want to test not just you and whatever swab
went up your nose, but they're going to want to have every
nation share all of this genomic information.
Testing maybe the stool sample that your veterinarian takes
from your dog or your cat or your bird or whatever other pet
you have. If you have a small farm or if
you have a chicken coop, they're going to want to test the
bedding to see if there's some new bird flu.
The farmer has a horse enclosure or a pigsty or goats or sheep or
whatever. They want to test all of the
manure to see if there's some new pathogen that, you know,
certainly in the United States and then other developed nations
around the world, they're already doing wastewater
surveillance and they're testing your poo to see if there's some
new bacteria. My understanding is that you
know all of the shellfish, you know the oysters and and and
clams and stuff around the seacoast because the sewage
isn't properly treated. A great place to find the next
pathogen is, you know, in the waters around the UK.
Do you want them to be going to hospitals to find antibiotic
resistant pathogens? Or, you know, I don't know, the
local bat cave or the pangolin enclosure or the zoo or wherever
to bring all those pathogens into a laboratory to see which
ones have pandemic potential so that the pharmaceutical
companies can then take that information and jab you for
something that wasn't necessarily causing a problem
but had the potential to cause a problem.
If you think that's a great idea, then stand in support of
this pandemic agreement. Because the nations who find
those pathogens and give access to that information under the
pathogen access benefit sharing system are, you know, trying to
get a piece of the profit, the benefits that all of the
pharmaceuticals make by that type of fear mongering, gain of
function, dual use research of concerned biological warfare.
If you're for that, then you're for the treaty.
IF and the amendments to the International Health
Regulations. If you think that is insane and
needs to be stopped, I would encourage people to go to
thepeoplesdeclaration.com. thepeoplesdeclaration.com is
very simple statement. We don't need no stinking treaty
to have more Wuhan Institutes of Virology.
We need an end to gain a function research.
We need an end to creating all of these panics with problems
that man themselves are creating, going out into nature
finds, bringing them into labs, getting their genomic
sequencing, and then putting it over to pharmaceutical companies
to turn all of that into a profit.
This is not for pandemic prevention preparedness and
response. This is for pandemic
profiteering. And as long as we allow them to
create the next pandemic, whether it's disease X or by
whatever name, there's going to be pandemics because they're
inordinately profitable. If you can get government to
throw money at an emergency and not have any accounting as to
where that money went and did it actually do any good other than
transferring wealth from you to the people who were involved in
those industries? I I got my first clarity on this
when the Indonesian health minister in Bali in November of
2022, he was talking to the business leaders, the B20 and he
said, look, the United States and other nations have started
the World Bank pandemic fund. They've got a couple of billion
dollars. They're looking to have ten, $11
billion go invest. This is a great business
opportunity if you have the capacity to be involved in
testing and genomic sequencing and laboratories and that that
type of research, there are billions of dollars flowing into
that market sector. Go invest.
That's what this is about. Follow the money.
James, I'm like who there is so much that you've said there that
I'm like my eyebrows arrays. So the first thing that I want
to say, and I know that, you know I'm looking at the time and
I, I know that you're absolutely shattered because you've been
doing interviews at ridiculous o'clock in early hours of the
morning because of all the time differences.
And you've been speaking to pretty much so many well so many
countries in different time zones.
But here in the UK many of our audience and listeners will know
that one of the big agendas here is that we are meant to be the
United Kingdom's meant to be the UK Life science, Global life
science superpower and of course genomics England and genomics
sequencing is the big thing. Test, test, test.
We're all getting stool tests through our doors, being asked
to go and have swabs and blood tests and goodness knows what.
So we know that genomic sequencing is big money, a big
agenda. We also know that there are labs
that are springing up all over the place, many of them high
containment. We're not quite sure of the
security that goes along with that, but they're springing up.
And this is really to adopt personalized medicine,
personalized genomic medicine. Again, going back to
pharmaceutical companies. And when you said genomic
sequencing and looking in wastewater, I was thinking back
to Bill Gates's germ team. Because of course, we know that
he's out there searching. We know that he's not a country.
And yet he's one of the biggest donors to the World Health
Organization. And he's got a germ team who's
out there hunting, actively hunting for whatever he can find
to turn into whatever he wants. And when you mentioned sewage, I
live in Cornwall and we are surrounded by sea.
And I've got a lot of experience with sewage.
And I know that in Cornwall, for example, somebody paddling in
the sea walking on the beach is likely to be walking amongst
human faeces. And I also know that many people
get sick with hepatitis E, which has been found in the coastal
waters down here. So anybody that wants to come to
Cornwall and eat freshly harvested mussels might actually
want to think again. So everything that you have said
there makes absolute perfect sense.
And I think now is the time, never more so than now, that
each and every one of us has to stand up and as my mother would
say, do their bit. And for that reason, James, it's
so valuable your your information.
And that's why we want to keep in such close contact with you
because you've now become, I know that you're going to blush
when I say this, but you've now become really a world authority
on what's go on, on who, on who. You've got your finger
completely on their pulse. And for that, we're incredibly
grateful. And I know that we're going to
be hooking up with you again on the news to update us with this
time clock that's ticking down. We're not that far away from the
77th World Health Assembly, a matter of what, 12-13 weeks?
So there's a lot to do in a little time and we mustn't miss
our deadline, right? They've missed their deadline
but we mustn't miss our deadline.
So James, people can learn so much from your sub stack and it
was from your sub stack that I actually learnt that there was
auk petition. So could you tell us a bit more
about the the United Kingdom's petition?
It's a very simple petition. It just basically says that we
think that ending EU KS membership in the World Health
Organization is important for the governance of the country.
It's petition number 648609. Just go
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/that number 648609, and petitions
routinely get ignored by government officials.
That is completely and totally understood.
This is an opportunity for you to speak to other people.
Ask them what their opinion of this petition is and gauge
whether or not they are allies or if they're even, you know,
remotely aware. If someone says to you, well,
why would we want to do that? Let that start a conversation in
the pub or at home or wherever it may be.
The purpose of petitions are to identify what the public
sentiment is, and if you use them properly, you can identify
friends and allies and you know your cause, whatever that cause
may be. As we have this, there's about
88,000 signatures. It needs 100,000 to be
considered for a debate. Push it over the top.
I would like to give you James Raguski with a million thanks
from all of us that are watching and reading your work and taking
notice of what you're saying. I'd like to give you James, the
last word and thank you. Well, you know, the problems
that we deal with are ultimately local, and if you do not have
control over the people who are trying to control you on a local
basis, these negotiations are only going to make those matters
worse. They did not need, and you know,
new amendments to the International Health Regulations
or a new treaty to abuse your rights and freedoms the way they
did over the past four or five years.
It will only give them another excuse.
Oh, we have to do this to you because of the treaty.
We have to do this to you because of the amendments.
No, you and me and all of us, each individually and
collectively, have to stand up for our rights and our freedoms
against our own local and and larger dictators.
We have to get control of our governments and make it so that
they realize they are public servants who are supposed to
protect our rights, protect our nation's, and hold them to
account for the mistakes and quite frankly the crimes that
they have already committed. And when you do that on a local
and national basis, you won't really have anything to worry
about with these international agreements because they will
crumble. You have to understand this is
not about your health. This is trying to
institutionalized a monopoly that the pharmaceutical
companies want over your body. If you don't fight back now,
it's only going to be harder to fight back later.
So speak up now because your silence is viewed as consent.
Thank you very much.