1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,240 Hello and welcome to another interview. 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:18,800 My name's Debbie Evans from UK Column and the 27th of January 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:25,040 was a very important day whose time just ran out. 4 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,720 The World Health Organization has proposed an international 5 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,520 pandemic treaty which would give it the power to declare a global 6 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,960 health emergency to enforce lockdowns, mandatory 7 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,680 vaccinations and vaccine passports. 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,560 No matter where you live, whichever country you're in 9 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:47,240 right now, are you prepared to lose your sovereignty, giving it 10 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:52,040 all up with your rights to allow the World Health Organization, 11 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,040 who are run by unelected officials, to have the capacity 12 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,760 to bring your country to its knees? 13 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:05,239 The Pandemic Preparedness Treaty is due to be discussed in May at 14 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:11,280 the 77th World Health Assembly. I am so grateful to be joined 15 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,440 this afternoon by James Rogosky, who is an author and activist, A 16 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,880 researcher, and a very, very hard working, tired man. 17 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,320 He's got his finger on the WH OS pulse. 18 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,480 He has spent, I don't know how many hours translating, 19 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,600 interpreting, understanding all of the International health 20 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,040 Regulations. He's worked around the clock to 21 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:45,720 tell the public what is going on behind the WH OS doors and in 22 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,760 order to stop them from a power grab And and James is a very 23 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:56,600 humble man and I know that he is doing this because he wants to 24 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,040 get the truth out. This is the reason why he wants 25 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,200 to get the truth out. And we're now at a crucial time 26 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,520 where it would appear that The Who are not so comfortable as 27 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,240 they were. Are they worried? 28 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,440 Have we, the public, made a difference and has James 29 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,320 Rogowski exposed what is going on at The Who? 30 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,800 James, welcome. Thank you so much. 31 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,360 I know we're going to be talking about Article 55, and you've got 32 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,760 a very important message for everyone. 33 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,240 Wherever they live, you've got a very important message for them 34 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,480 today. Well, you know, thank you very 35 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,600 much for the opportunity to share that information with you 36 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,480 and and with your audience. You're making me blush with the 37 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,720 praise. It's really more about the 38 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:48,840 information, and unfortunately I think that a lot of people have 39 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,400 gotten a surface view of various aspects of what is going on. 40 00:02:54,160 --> 00:03:00,200 But that is overshadowing what is really going on with these 41 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,520 various negotiations. And hopefully by the end of this 42 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,640 interview, people will be much more clear on what I think you 43 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:11,320 know really is happening, what is going on, who's behind it 44 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,720 all, and what we all need to do about it. 45 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,920 And we're super grateful for that and we we have been 46 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:21,440 following your sub stack and all the links will be beneath this 47 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,840 interview. But you've been advising us what 48 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,800 to do, to tell our politicians, to tell our governments and I 49 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:34,360 remember telling a politician back in 2021 on record about the 50 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,440 this power grab by The Who and they didn't know. 51 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,480 And only now are parliaments and governments starting to listen. 52 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,080 And I do believe, since listening to Ted Ross, the 53 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,680 director of The Who, he has got some reservations that countries 54 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,400 aren't they they're not complying as he would expect 55 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,240 them to comply. And of course, we've got the 56 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,960 World Health Assembly coming up, James, in May, and this pandemic 57 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,520 treaty is going to be discussed. However, you've noticed 58 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,520 something very important. Well, you've noticed something 59 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,200 that hasn't happened, a lot of things that haven't happened 60 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,959 that should have happened. So tell us about January that 61 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:22,000 the relevance of January the 27th and the relevance of 62 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,120 Article 55. Well, first and foremost, I 63 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,600 think everyone needs to be very clear, and this may sound 64 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,480 strange, but I actually encourage people, if they can 65 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:41,280 get out three separate sheets of paper and compartmentalize in 66 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:44,840 your mind the fact that there are at least three separate 67 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:49,840 things that have been discussed and they all seem to get jumbled 68 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:53,280 together. And so then when these things 69 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:57,240 are spoken about by the media, Tedros will come along and say, 70 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,760 well, that's misinformation because quite frankly, it is 71 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,280 because attributes of 1 document get attributed to a different 1. 72 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,480 The timelines get it all mixed up. 73 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,440 And so let me see if I can just lay out those different things. 74 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,280 And I'll start with the one that you very specifically mentioned 75 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,120 with the amendments to the International Health 76 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,920 Regulations. There's actually two different 77 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,360 sets of amendments that are very important. 78 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:33,800 And January 27th, 2024, which most importantly has passed, is 79 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,920 four months in advance of the beginning of the May Assembly, 80 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:43,720 the 77th World Health Assembly. Well, Article 55 is very 81 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:49,720 important because it says that any nation can submit amendments 82 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,400 to the International Health Regulations, but they have to do 83 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,080 so actually more than four months in advance, at least a 84 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,680 couple of days more, so that they can present any amendments 85 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,560 to the director general. And what Article 55 says is then 86 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,840 the director General would then communicate any proposed 87 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:13,680 amendments 4 months before the start of the assembly. 88 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,440 Because, as is clear in this case, you know, it could be very 89 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,720 complicated and the nations should have that time period to 90 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,920 consider them before they're asked to vote on them when they 91 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,960 get to the assembly. And so that date has passed. 92 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:38,120 To my knowledge, the Director General has not submitted in 93 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:44,640 their terms a complete package of targeted amendments to the 94 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:50,200 International Health Regulations in alignment with Article 55 SA. 95 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:56,000 Strict reading of that international regulation is that 96 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,080 they missed their deadline and they don't get to make any 97 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:06,160 changes in May unless they cheat and ignore that rule, come up 98 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,680 with some excuse, say something along the lines of, oh, I'm 99 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,680 sorry, you know, the dog ate our homework, you know, just ignore 100 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,840 that rule. We're going to keep negotiating, 101 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,320 and that appears to be what they intend to do. 102 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,840 They have meetings scheduled for Monday February 5th and that 103 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,640 week through the 9th. They have more meetings 104 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,040 scheduled in April the 22nd to the 26th. 105 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,920 And they have spoken their intent to just ignore that rule 106 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,920 and keep negotiating right up to the last minute. 107 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:44,000 And whenever maybe they reach an agreement, drop it on the table 108 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:49,560 to be considered without that four month period of time. 109 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,920 For, you know, do notice and and and, you know, complete and do 110 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,000 notice as the words of Stephen Solomon. 111 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,480 So that ample consideration, discussion and debate could 112 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,840 occur on what they're negotiating now in that package 113 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,720 of amendments. If you go back all the way to 114 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:14,720 September 30th, 2022, they had all of the nations submit 115 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,800 initially proposed amendments. They kept it secret until 116 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,440 December of 2022. Then they did reveal it and I've 117 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,480 certainly been reporting on it. You've reported on it. 118 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,880 Many people have talked about it, but they've had secret 119 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,600 negotiations for well over a year and they have not yet 120 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:39,159 published A revised version. In their documentation for the 121 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:42,480 meetings that they're having from February 5th to the 9th, 122 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:49,080 they have, they have alluded to the Bureau which is the small 123 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:54,320 group of two Co chairs and six, I'm sorry, four vice chairs, six 124 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,000 people from one from each region. 125 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:03,560 They will be presenting their new text for, you know these 300 126 00:09:03,560 --> 00:09:07,800 different amendments. Well, when are we the people 127 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,200 going to get an opportunity to see what they've been doing in 128 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:18,360 secret it their initial plan was to have their final meeting in 129 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:24,040 December, wrap it all up, hand it over to the review committee 130 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,440 to dot all the IS and cross all the TS submitted in mid January 131 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,120 to make their deadline. And then there would have been a 132 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,560 four month period where everyone would be able to consider it. 133 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,360 Well, they have failed and they told us in October that they 134 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,800 were going to fail. And so, you know, just with that 135 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:50,680 one track, what Tedros was alluding to was, well, if the 136 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:55,360 nations don't give on their position and reach an agreement, 137 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,240 then no one is going to get right. 138 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,320 Well, well, what are, what are nations going to get? 139 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,880 You have to understand that they're not negotiating issues 140 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,680 regarding your health. This is a trade dispute. 141 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,720 I've been trying to get people to comprehend that this whole 142 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,160 time. This is about relatively poor 143 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:26,360 nations wanting to build equity into the International Health 144 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,680 Regulations because they're upset that they gave over 145 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,280 genomic sequencing data. Very specifically in South 146 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,560 Africa, when Omicron popped up, Botswana and South Africa handed 147 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:44,920 over the information about the genomic sequencing, as they were 148 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,640 supposed to do according to the International Health 149 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,040 Regulations. And what they were greeted with 150 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:56,200 was travel restrictions. And then they watched Pfizer and 151 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,160 Moderna turn that information into billions of dollars in the 152 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:05,520 form of the boosters. And they are unhappy that they 153 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,680 did not receive any benefit as part of the International Health 154 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:14,800 Regulations. And so people need to understand 155 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:21,160 that this is a trade dispute. And there's all kinds of other 156 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,120 things, you know, being cooked up in these many, many 157 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,680 documents. But this is, you know, a battle 158 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,120 where, you know, it's a revisiting of colonialism. 159 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:38,920 The smaller nations feel like they're being forced to give up 160 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,400 their natural resources. Their their nations are being 161 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,680 pillaged yet again by pharmaceutical companies for the 162 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:53,080 intellectual property associated with pathogens, which are, if 163 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:59,360 you look at it, the raw material that is incredibly valuable to 164 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:04,360 those corporations who can refine that information. 165 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,920 You know, the genetic information. 166 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,640 If you look at it from, you know, how you would do mining? 167 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,920 They're mining data. They're refining it and turning 168 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,880 it into a finished product that has added value and they're 169 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,040 making billions of dollars while the nations where the raw 170 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:30,080 material is gathered didn't get any because they couldn't afford 171 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,920 the finished product. This is corporate colonialism 172 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,720 and that's what these negotiations really are all 173 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,600 about. And any other discussions are 174 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,640 are are valid on a certain level. 175 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:49,640 But they've been overshadowing what I think is really driving 176 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,840 these negotiations. And so way back in December 1st 177 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:59,560 of 2021, after a special session of the World Health Assembly, 178 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:06,640 the declaration was made that they wanted The Who to oversee 179 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:13,280 negotiations to ensure equitable access to pandemic related 180 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,840 products. Now that's not just jabs, that's 181 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,920 ventilators in Midazolam and Paxlovid and Molnupiravir and 182 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:29,200 Remdesivir and all of the jabs. The insanity of all of this is 183 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,840 the relatively poor nations are arguing that they should have 184 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,320 equitable access to the things that I think they should be 185 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,640 counting their blessings they didn't have access to. 186 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:46,360 But it goes much deeper than that because this this is built 187 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:51,000 out of, you know, being colonized all over again, having 188 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,760 their resources extracted and turned into money, and then 189 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,080 being in a position where the finished product is not 190 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,320 available to them. You know, Canada and EU and all 191 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,360 the other nations bought up 10 times what they needed. 192 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:10,720 And if you allow yourself to believe that the jabs were life 193 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:17,520 saving, then you can see why a trade dispute is what is going 194 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,760 on here. If anything, it should be being 195 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,600 conducted by the World Trade Organization, not the World 196 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,200 Health Organization. And so the argument at the 197 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,760 moment is about intellectual property and manufacturing, know 198 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,680 how and investment capital to build out the industries. 199 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,040 It's it's a parallel to every other aspect of life in the 200 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,240 world. The developing nations want to 201 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:49,280 develop their own pharmaceutical hospital, emergency industrial 202 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:55,160 complex so they can profit and control whatever drugs and jams 203 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,440 they force upon their own people and then profit from it. 204 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,480 I don't think too many people have been talking about that. 205 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,960 I think you're absolutely right, James. 206 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,720 And when you say it like that and you put it in those terms, 207 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,720 yes, of course we are a commodity. 208 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,680 And yeah I think you're absolutely right that this all 209 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,040 should if it was anything was going to be conducted, it would 210 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,560 have been more appropriate for the World Trade Organization. 211 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,160 But I'm, I'm thinking too that, you know, a lot of people forget 212 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:33,120 that The Who, he's also a sister organization to the United 213 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,040 Nations who themselves are setting up their own emergency 214 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,600 platform. But just to just to sort of 215 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,840 summarise quickly about what you've just said, because no 216 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,600 matter whether they're operating on a trade deal or a genomic 217 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:55,200 sequencing deal or a vaccination spree, whatever their aims are, 218 00:15:55,360 --> 00:16:00,040 everything is wrong, right. So they have now missed their 219 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,920 deadline, which means technically they can't talk 220 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,560 about any of the amendments or the International Health 221 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,640 Regulations at the 77th World Health Assembly. 222 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,160 They've missed the deadline. So that's it. 223 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,440 But like you say, unless they cheat and we have every reason 224 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,880 to believe that, they probably will. 225 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,960 And you've always been one step ahead of them, James. 226 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,560 I mean, you really have and I know that you've put out a very 227 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:32,000 powerful YouTube and it's a very serious YouTube that you have 228 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,160 addressed actually to your president, to President Biden, 229 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,960 to Blinken personally. And it's very hard hitting. 230 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,920 And I think my next question is going to be Article 55. 231 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,920 What do we do? What do we do in all the 232 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,680 countries that are watching today? 233 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,240 I'm here in the UK. What would you say that we do? 234 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,160 Do we need to do what you did, which is put out a message to 235 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,920 our Prime Minister or to the president or Prime Minister of 236 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,599 your country? How do individuals make a stand 237 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:11,200 against this Now Article 55? Certainly understanding where 238 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:16,960 the power resides in these negotiations now, one of the 239 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:23,119 things that most people want to do is they want to speak to 240 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,920 either their member of Parliament, their 241 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,119 representative, their senator, by whatever name it may be in 242 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,880 every country. And I encourage everyone to do 243 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,360 that. But in many nations, very 244 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:37,720 specifically, I first learned about this in Australia and I I 245 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:43,040 published a long article about it and it hurt a lot of people's 246 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,200 heads because it doesn't register. 247 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,120 It doesn't feel right because it is not right. 248 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:53,840 It's wrong. In many nations, especially in 249 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,720 the British Commonwealth, the power flows from the King to the 250 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:05,200 executive branch of government, and the Parliament has no say in 251 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:10,640 the making of the decision as to whether or not to enter into the 252 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,080 agreement. Now it has been deeply confused 253 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:21,880 because people naturally assume that this is a health related 254 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,640 agreement. So they want to complain about, 255 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,120 you know, deciding their own health because they're not 256 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:32,720 paying attention to the trade aspect of this. 257 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:38,240 So it's not just the health minister, it's not just the 258 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,240 foreign minister. It really should be you know the 259 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:46,640 commercial or trade minister or you know in in England it's the 260 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:53,480 department of of foreign development office and and so 261 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:59,280 this doesn't fit what people have assumed it to be. 262 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,880 So they're pulling on the wrong levers of government and they're 263 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:10,000 yelling at or you know, upset with their representative, not 264 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,680 realizing that your members of Parliament or for the most part, 265 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,280 you know, any legislative body around the world has already 266 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,800 been cut out of the decision making process. 267 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,600 So in the United States, the executive branch, the authority 268 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:30,960 comes from the president to the Secretary of State and then 269 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,800 quite frankly, the power to negotiate has to go to whomever 270 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,360 they delegate to be involved in these negotiations. 271 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:46,400 I encourage everyone in every nation to identify who with 272 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:52,400 small letters, who has the authority to be involved in the 273 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:58,240 negotiations to make these decisions and you know who is 274 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,720 representing you at these who negotiations. 275 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:07,880 Now in the debate that happened in the UK in on December 18th, 276 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,080 the I believe it was? The Health Minister was asked 277 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,120 point blank. Who is conducting these 278 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,800 negotiations? And he said he was civil 279 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,400 servants and he wasn't going to say. 280 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:27,920 And so how is that aligned with the concept of representative 281 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:34,320 democracy when some unknown, unnamed, unaccountable person is 282 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:40,120 negotiating on your behalf and the ministry that you think is 283 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:45,720 in charge of that will not tell you who that is so that you can 284 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,800 have any say in the matter, This is the problem. 285 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,560 And so for me, in the United States, it's not members of 286 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,920 Congress, it should be members of the Senate. 287 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:03,440 But in each nation, people understand who all letters is 288 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:09,080 representing you at UHO at these negotiations and express your 289 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,400 opinion very clearly to them that Well, hold on just a 290 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,880 moment, guys. Your rules in the International 291 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:23,560 Health Regulations state very clearly and your Co chairs going 292 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:28,800 all the way back to February of 2023 and your legal counsel and 293 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,960 then again in October have stated very clearly that they 294 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,560 know that there's a deadline. And Doctor Abdullah Asiri said 295 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,360 very clearly, well, you know, a deadline is a deadline unless 296 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:46,000 you think you're above the law, and they apparently do. 297 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,720 And so next week when they have their meetings, if they happen 298 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,200 to stumble over a a small pile of integrity and start their 299 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,880 meeting by saying to the world and and put out some type of 300 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,840 press release saying, well, you know, we're continuing these 301 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,560 discussions and these negotiations, we're nowhere near 302 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,640 a final agreement. So we're not going to be able to 303 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,000 decide this at the May 2024 assembly. 304 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,720 We missed our deadline. And so we're continuing these 305 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,960 negotiations and we'll catch you next year in 2025. 306 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,360 Now, I wouldn't put it past them to understand the rules. 307 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,600 Continue these negotiations and then do. 308 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:39,840 What they did in 2021 is call for a special session four 309 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:46,800 months out, get the negotiations done, recognize the rule of law 310 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,040 that you have to give four months notice and then set up a 311 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,000 special meeting, give that four months notice for discussion and 312 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,200 debate, and then meet again like they did in 2021. 313 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:06,480 But if the rule of law has any meaning still to this day, we 314 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,080 the people are going to have to be the ones who enforce it 315 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:16,160 because clearly our governments are not doing so and they are 316 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:21,040 openly conspiring. And yes, I use that word because 317 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,040 I have all of the evidence they're conspiring to ignore 318 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,000 that four month notice. Now Debbie, if I may, this is a 319 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,400 good time to talk about something else that I feel is 320 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,520 very important. You mentioned 2021. 321 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,000 Quite frankly you were on the job before. 322 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,760 I was. I didn't really start paying 323 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,360 attention to this until early 2022. 324 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,360 And what I came to learn was the Biden administration followed 325 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,240 these rules. And so now I'm going to talk 326 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,440 about a totally separate situation. 327 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,080 So don't don't get these confused. 328 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,840 What I have been talking about were the 300 plus amendments 329 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,200 that they're currently negotiating. 330 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,080 But back in 2022 the Biden administration followed the 331 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,880 rules. I have to give credit where 332 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,680 credit is due. Lloyd's Pace was the person who 333 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,560 signed off on the document that they submitted on January 18th 334 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,920 2022, a package of amendments to 13 articles. 335 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,840 Well, what happened to that was with that four months notice, 336 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,800 which came about a month and 1/2 after all of the nations started 337 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,040 in these trade dispute negotiations. 338 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,400 Biden's administration submits a package of amendments that did 339 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,640 not address their demands for equity at all. 340 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,840 And those nations looked at what he proposed. 341 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,440 They had four months to review it, and very quietly, they 342 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,240 kicked it to the curb long before the main assembly 343 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,920 started. It was clear that that was dead 344 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,640 in the water. That four month period gave the 345 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,040 nations of the world the opportunity to review what the 346 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,480 Biden administration said they wanted and they just kicked it 347 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,240 to the curb. Now then what happened is so 348 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,160 astonishing people just it doesn't want to sink in in the 349 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,960 middle of the assembly on May 24th. 350 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,800 The UK, the EU, the Biden administration, a handful of 351 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:31,600 other nations in violation of Article 55, submitted a 352 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,880 different package of amendments, 5 amendments in total. 353 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,880 Now some people will say, Oh well, that was just the one 354 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:46,400 leftover, but it actually submitted a change to the rules 355 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:52,600 in Article 62 about how a reservation could be made for an 356 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,360 amendment. So it wasn't just a technical 357 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,280 change. It was actually new authorities 358 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,720 being introduced with a new package of amendments, 359 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,680 absolutely in violation of Article 55. 360 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,880 They discussed it in quiet backroom meetings for a couple 361 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,360 of days. They had a committee meeting to 362 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:18,520 a very perfunctory oh, nobody disagrees. 363 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,800 OK, great, nobody's in the room. But they claimed that that was a 364 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,480 valid vote, which it was not. And then they published a 365 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:33,600 document on May 28th saying that they had approved these 366 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,360 amendments. Well, number one, they were 367 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,520 illegitimately submitted. And lo and behold, they never 368 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,120 actually had a vote. They just said they did. 369 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,920 And we did manage to get a dozen Members of the European 370 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,840 Parliament on November 28th, a little more than two months ago, 371 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,920 send a letter to the Director General, Tedros and say, look, 372 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:05,080 you know, the amendments that you say you adopted in 2022, on 373 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:10,320 May 28th, 2022, there's no vote. So, you know, I don't know how 374 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,640 it is everywhere else in the world, but in the United States, 375 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,840 there's a lot of arguments about election and and voting 376 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,040 integrity. They've taken it to a whole new 377 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,800 level. They they just said they had a 378 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,080 vote and they didn't. And so by my reckoning and the 379 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,400 last word in the letter from the Members of the European 380 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,120 Parliament to Tetris, we said without evidence that you 381 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,680 actually voted properly or voted at all, these are null and void. 382 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:42,480 So those amendments were the ones that were associated 18 383 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,280 months after that was December 1st of 2023. 384 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,840 Many people may have been aware of the fact that there was a 385 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:56,920 petition in the UK, about 100 and some thousand signatures, to 386 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:03,840 have a discussion about that, because those changes by UK law 387 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,760 should have been presented to Parliament for 21 days, not to 388 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,360 be approved, but to have the opportunity to reject that. 389 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,960 Well, the administrative, you know, processes were not 390 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,560 followed. They never did that. 391 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,560 And they scheduled the debate for 18 days after the deadline. 392 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,440 And nobody raised the issue that I just raised. 393 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,000 Nobody said a word about, hey, hold on a moment, Did you guys 394 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,520 even vote? We talked about a lot of stuff. 395 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,080 Lot of hot air got pushed around the room, and a lot of people 396 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,840 make comments about it, but they missed the point. 397 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,560 The point was Parliament was supposed to have already had the 398 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,840 opportunity to reject something that was fraudulently submitted 399 00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,560 in the 1st place. And so that's the second point 400 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:06,400 of enforcing Article 55. They didn't even come close to 401 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,440 doing that in 2022. And so every suspicion that they 402 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,920 would be all too happy to just drop a large document on the 403 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:23,520 table in May of 2024 without, as Stephen Solomon said, you know, 404 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,680 complete, timely and complete notice. 405 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:33,000 They clearly have missed their deadline and it appears that 406 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,760 they're continuing the negotiations next week. 407 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,520 And it appears because they've said so, they intend to just 408 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,600 ignore that rule because, you know, I I guess they believe 409 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,720 that they're above the law. James, you know after that, 410 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,600 after that and there's so much to unpack there. 411 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:59,440 But you speak so eloquently and what terrifies me is that if you 412 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,120 hadn't have done all of this work and this scrutiny over 413 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,360 pouring over and I know that you're a very humble man. 414 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,280 And and and I know you hate me saying things that kind of make 415 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,960 it appear about you because I know it isn't about you. 416 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:19,200 But you do literally pour hours and and your soul, your spirit 417 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,920 into this. And if you weren't doing this, 418 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,000 we wouldn't know. It's as simple as that. 419 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,960 I mean, one of our MPs here in the UK, Andrew Bridgen, is 420 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,560 certainly trying very hard to to get more parliamentarians to 421 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,800 discuss this because half of them haven't got a clue. 422 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,800 They don't understand I don't think the power of The Who and 423 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,720 that you know many of them were voting to leave Europe to retain 424 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,240 our sovereignty, to get our sovereignty back. 425 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,280 So the the, the thought that a non governmental organization 426 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,040 such as The Who could suddenly snatch away our sovereignty 427 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,080 seems impossible to many of these parliamentarians it just 428 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:07,200 seems like a land that they they wouldn't even identify with. 429 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,360 Is that unbelievable? But after what you've said, you 430 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,560 know, I think it is very important for each and every one 431 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,440 of us to take action. We can't leave everything to 432 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,440 you. And you're there advising us 433 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,000 what to do. And since, uh, you've been 434 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,440 speaking in the UK anyway, um, I think it's Lord Cameron. 435 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,280 That is our foreign Minister. So please write to Lord Cameron. 436 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,880 And I'm going to ask you, James, in a minute what you think 437 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,480 people should actually be saying. 438 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,360 Because I know that people shouldn't be writing long rambly 439 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,000 emails or even letters that they should keep it concise to the 440 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,880 point and factual. But it's Lord Cameron in the UK, 441 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,840 Foreign Secretary, Foreign minister, and also Grant Shapps 442 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,560 is Trade minister in the UK. And bearing in mind everything 443 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,680 there that James has been saying is that basically we've and 444 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,400 writing to the wrong people we need to focus this now as a 445 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,240 trade deal. Then James, what should we be? 446 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,240 What would you advise our viewers write down? 447 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,320 Or do you have a template of something on your sub stack 448 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,240 perhaps? There are many, many things, but 449 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,360 I think the simple answer is to spread the word because 450 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,160 whatever. However this video is presented 451 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,200 out there, the easiest starting point for anybody is just take 452 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,600 the link you know that hopefully is you know right down below 453 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,960 here and or up above wherever it may be and and share this video 454 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,040 so that other people gain this awareness. 455 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,640 I'm going to say something else that maybe will surprise you. 456 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:52,880 The issue is such that if you go back to the beginning of 2020 457 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,800 till now, your nation, my nation, every nation around the 458 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:03,160 planet, did not need amendments to the International Health 459 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,200 Regulations. They did not need a new pandemic 460 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,600 treaty or framework convention or agreement or whatever they 461 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,680 want to call it, which we haven't even really talked about 462 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,960 yet. They didn't need those things to 463 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:24,120 absolutely abuse and and trample on your rights and your 464 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,640 freedoms. It's not a question of national 465 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:35,360 sovereignty, it's a question of dictatorial rule by those who 466 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:41,080 feel they are your sovereign. And so people need to understand 467 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:47,680 that the details of how the laws within your nation have either 468 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,080 been crafted to abuse your rights and freedoms or have been 469 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,760 overreached by the people who are supposed to be protecting 470 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,520 your rights and freedoms. But they used their position in 471 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:09,360 a dictatorial way that didn't require amendments or a new 472 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,520 treaty. OK, the amendments and the new 473 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:19,440 agreement are to distribute wealth and products to nations 474 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,199 that didn't get those the first time around. 475 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,120 They missed a bunch of black and brown people around the world, 476 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,320 and those people didn't get a chance to participate in the 477 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,480 pandemic profiteering. That's what these negotiations 478 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,679 are about. Your rights and your freedoms 479 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:44,480 are already abundantly endangered by the people who 480 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,239 harmed you and took away those rights and freedoms over the 481 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,120 last four years. Now, a handful of examples. 482 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,480 You look at what recently happened in Canada with Trudeau 483 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,160 and the decision saying, yes, he overstepped his authority 484 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,440 implementing the Emergencies Act. 485 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,560 Well, in Canada, there's a petition, I encourage people to 486 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,600 go to canadianpetition.com. There's about 85,000 signatures 487 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:19,560 saying they want to leave the WHL, but there were over 400,000 488 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,800 signatures. I believe it was the largest 489 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,000 number of signatures on a petition ever having a vote of 490 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,400 no confidence in their government. 491 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,000 What what person could possibly at this point in time, have any 492 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,800 confidence in any government on the planet? 493 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,880 And so wherever it is you feel that you want to express your 494 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,920 views towards anybody in government, I encourage you to 495 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,000 do so to the best of your ability. 496 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,920 But realize that the decision making power probably does not 497 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,120 reside in your Member of Parliament. 498 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,880 The decision making power resides in the dictatorial, 499 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,840 tyrannical executive branch of your government, and those 500 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:16,960 people do a good job of pushing off the jobs to some unknown 501 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,960 bureaucrat who's unaccountable, unelected, and largely unknown. 502 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,960 Step number one is to identify, again in small letters, who 503 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,840 represents you at The Who. Most people on the planet have 504 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,120 absolutely no idea. And so the problem here is not 505 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,200 one of national sovereignty. There are issues there with 506 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:47,040 nations, you know, being asked to agree to comply with certain 507 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,400 things that are in these documents. 508 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:55,960 The issue is how we, the people have lost control over our own 509 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,560 governments. They're abusing our rights on a 510 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,760 daily basis within our nation. And they feel that they have all 511 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,200 of the authority to go into international agreements and 512 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,040 make decisions without any input from us whatsoever. 513 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,400 They would then bring those decisions back to the 514 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,680 legislative body and say we've made this decision, you now have 515 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,480 to implement it. Well, what are they going to be 516 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,840 implementing? They're going to be implementing 517 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,240 the transfer of wealth. Oh, how much is this going to 518 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:33,720 cost? They want to build laboratories 519 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:38,560 and, you know, genomic sequencing capabilities around 520 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,480 the world. How much is that going to cost? 521 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,240 That's really the only thing they're going to ask the 522 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:50,200 legislators to do is essentially say, give money into this 523 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,080 program to give to the Pharmaceutical industry. 524 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,760 And so the Pharmaceutical industry wants this deal to 525 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,520 happen, but they don't want the intellectual property rights to 526 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,080 be taken away. They want to still make all the 527 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,440 profit and that's what's holding up these negotiations. 528 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,680 It's always follow the money. I think what you said that too 529 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,760 is very important James and that on your sub stack on your 530 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,440 website there is a list of all the representatives from all 531 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,560 countries. And indeed actually on last 532 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:28,920 Friday's UK column news on the 26th of January we featured 533 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,440 exactly that document and we found out that heading the UK as 534 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,240 representative was a lady called Miss L Collins, Miss Laura 535 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:42,440 Collins. And we've looked a little bit at 536 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,840 her. So please go and have a look at 537 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,320 the news in in the archives on 26th of January where we always 538 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,560 show James's sub stack and encourage people to go and look 539 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,040 at the information. Because honestly this is your 540 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,720 freedom. Your freedom will be denied if 541 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:03,040 you allow these people The Who. And let's face it, let's face it 542 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,240 James, none of us voted for The Who. 543 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,560 None of us had a say in in whether we were going to even 544 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,400 support them. We most people hadn't heard of 545 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,040 them really until the pandemic and that's one point I will go 546 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,080 back to is that you say spread the word and indeed we are going 547 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,520 to spread the word and we are trying to spread the word as far 548 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,040 and wide as we can. Our audience and many of the 549 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,160 people that know about you and your work, James, are familiar 550 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,840 with The Who, the Pandemic Preparedness Treaty, 551 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,960 international health regulations, know we've got a 552 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,520 very well researched audience. But what would you say to 553 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,600 members of our audience when they're talking to members of 554 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,520 their family that have absolutely no clue about what is 555 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,600 going on, really, and probably more excited about planning 556 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,160 their summer holiday than worrying about what's going on 557 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,000 in Geneva. Have you, have you come across 558 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,720 any kind of like Ice Breakers or easy ways of of broaching this 559 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:11,080 huge subject in a way that you can actually get people's 560 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,480 attention and engagement? Well, I'll. 561 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,760 I'll role play with you here a little bit, OK. 562 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,480 Have you ever heard of the Wuhan Institute of Virology? 563 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,640 Yes. Do you think we need to have 564 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:30,760 many, many more such research facilities where people go out 565 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,120 into the world, they search everywhere imaginable, using the 566 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,160 one health method to bring pathogens into the laboratory to 567 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:45,320 analyse them so that they can make them more dangerous? 568 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,280 Do you think that's a good idea? No, absolutely not. 569 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:55,240 Do you realize what The Who and these negotiations are doing, 570 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,960 that it's a trade dispute and they want to put 10s of billions 571 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,040 of dollars into? Now we'll talk a little bit 572 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,400 about what everyone calls the treaty. 573 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,040 They want to implement the one health approach where they 574 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:16,720 believe that the most dangerous thing going is the transfer of 575 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,160 pathogens from animals to humans. 576 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,560 So they're going to want to test not just you and whatever swab 577 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,640 went up your nose, but they're going to want to have every 578 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,280 nation share all of this genomic information. 579 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,200 Testing maybe the stool sample that your veterinarian takes 580 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,480 from your dog or your cat or your bird or whatever other pet 581 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,600 you have. If you have a small farm or if 582 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,120 you have a chicken coop, they're going to want to test the 583 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,920 bedding to see if there's some new bird flu. 584 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:54,000 The farmer has a horse enclosure or a pigsty or goats or sheep or 585 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,200 whatever. They want to test all of the 586 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,800 manure to see if there's some new pathogen that, you know, 587 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,480 certainly in the United States and then other developed nations 588 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,000 around the world, they're already doing wastewater 589 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,920 surveillance and they're testing your poo to see if there's some 590 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,000 new bacteria. My understanding is that you 591 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,240 know all of the shellfish, you know the oysters and and and 592 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,240 clams and stuff around the seacoast because the sewage 593 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:27,520 isn't properly treated. A great place to find the next 594 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,000 pathogen is, you know, in the waters around the UK. 595 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:38,080 Do you want them to be going to hospitals to find antibiotic 596 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:43,680 resistant pathogens? Or, you know, I don't know, the 597 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,000 local bat cave or the pangolin enclosure or the zoo or wherever 598 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,320 to bring all those pathogens into a laboratory to see which 599 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,160 ones have pandemic potential so that the pharmaceutical 600 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,600 companies can then take that information and jab you for 601 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,120 something that wasn't necessarily causing a problem 602 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,720 but had the potential to cause a problem. 603 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:14,480 If you think that's a great idea, then stand in support of 604 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,960 this pandemic agreement. Because the nations who find 605 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,280 those pathogens and give access to that information under the 606 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:30,000 pathogen access benefit sharing system are, you know, trying to 607 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,920 get a piece of the profit, the benefits that all of the 608 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,240 pharmaceuticals make by that type of fear mongering, gain of 609 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:43,440 function, dual use research of concerned biological warfare. 610 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,280 If you're for that, then you're for the treaty. 611 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,200 IF and the amendments to the International Health 612 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,520 Regulations. If you think that is insane and 613 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,160 needs to be stopped, I would encourage people to go to 614 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:04,440 thepeoplesdeclaration.com. thepeoplesdeclaration.com is 615 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,960 very simple statement. We don't need no stinking treaty 616 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,640 to have more Wuhan Institutes of Virology. 617 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,280 We need an end to gain a function research. 618 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:22,760 We need an end to creating all of these panics with problems 619 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:28,200 that man themselves are creating, going out into nature 620 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,720 finds, bringing them into labs, getting their genomic 621 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:36,080 sequencing, and then putting it over to pharmaceutical companies 622 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,880 to turn all of that into a profit. 623 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,160 This is not for pandemic prevention preparedness and 624 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,040 response. This is for pandemic 625 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,960 profiteering. And as long as we allow them to 626 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,320 create the next pandemic, whether it's disease X or by 627 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,440 whatever name, there's going to be pandemics because they're 628 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,040 inordinately profitable. If you can get government to 629 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:09,440 throw money at an emergency and not have any accounting as to 630 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:15,240 where that money went and did it actually do any good other than 631 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:19,720 transferring wealth from you to the people who were involved in 632 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:24,240 those industries? I I got my first clarity on this 633 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:28,640 when the Indonesian health minister in Bali in November of 634 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,960 2022, he was talking to the business leaders, the B20 and he 635 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,120 said, look, the United States and other nations have started 636 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,880 the World Bank pandemic fund. They've got a couple of billion 637 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,000 dollars. They're looking to have ten, $11 638 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,640 billion go invest. This is a great business 639 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,080 opportunity if you have the capacity to be involved in 640 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,320 testing and genomic sequencing and laboratories and that that 641 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,240 type of research, there are billions of dollars flowing into 642 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,760 that market sector. Go invest. 643 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,520 That's what this is about. Follow the money. 644 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,400 James, I'm like who there is so much that you've said there that 645 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,920 I'm like my eyebrows arrays. So the first thing that I want 646 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,240 to say, and I know that, you know I'm looking at the time and 647 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:23,560 I, I know that you're absolutely shattered because you've been 648 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,400 doing interviews at ridiculous o'clock in early hours of the 649 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,360 morning because of all the time differences. 650 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,880 And you've been speaking to pretty much so many well so many 651 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,480 countries in different time zones. 652 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,040 But here in the UK many of our audience and listeners will know 653 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,800 that one of the big agendas here is that we are meant to be the 654 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,480 United Kingdom's meant to be the UK Life science, Global life 655 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,160 science superpower and of course genomics England and genomics 656 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,560 sequencing is the big thing. Test, test, test. 657 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,920 We're all getting stool tests through our doors, being asked 658 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,520 to go and have swabs and blood tests and goodness knows what. 659 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,240 So we know that genomic sequencing is big money, a big 660 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:09,040 agenda. We also know that there are labs 661 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,640 that are springing up all over the place, many of them high 662 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,440 containment. We're not quite sure of the 663 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,840 security that goes along with that, but they're springing up. 664 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,320 And this is really to adopt personalized medicine, 665 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,760 personalized genomic medicine. Again, going back to 666 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,120 pharmaceutical companies. And when you said genomic 667 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,920 sequencing and looking in wastewater, I was thinking back 668 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,240 to Bill Gates's germ team. Because of course, we know that 669 00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:40,400 he's out there searching. We know that he's not a country. 670 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,400 And yet he's one of the biggest donors to the World Health 671 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,320 Organization. And he's got a germ team who's 672 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,080 out there hunting, actively hunting for whatever he can find 673 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:56,240 to turn into whatever he wants. And when you mentioned sewage, I 674 00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:01,360 live in Cornwall and we are surrounded by sea. 675 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,120 And I've got a lot of experience with sewage. 676 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,920 And I know that in Cornwall, for example, somebody paddling in 677 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,400 the sea walking on the beach is likely to be walking amongst 678 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,560 human faeces. And I also know that many people 679 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:24,080 get sick with hepatitis E, which has been found in the coastal 680 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,800 waters down here. So anybody that wants to come to 681 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,480 Cornwall and eat freshly harvested mussels might actually 682 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,760 want to think again. So everything that you have said 683 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,640 there makes absolute perfect sense. 684 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,200 And I think now is the time, never more so than now, that 685 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,240 each and every one of us has to stand up and as my mother would 686 00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:50,440 say, do their bit. And for that reason, James, it's 687 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,560 so valuable your your information. 688 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,960 And that's why we want to keep in such close contact with you 689 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,880 because you've now become, I know that you're going to blush 690 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,640 when I say this, but you've now become really a world authority 691 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,360 on what's go on, on who, on who. You've got your finger 692 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,320 completely on their pulse. And for that, we're incredibly 693 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,320 grateful. And I know that we're going to 694 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:18,120 be hooking up with you again on the news to update us with this 695 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,480 time clock that's ticking down. We're not that far away from the 696 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,480 77th World Health Assembly, a matter of what, 12-13 weeks? 697 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,120 So there's a lot to do in a little time and we mustn't miss 698 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,480 our deadline, right? They've missed their deadline 699 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,040 but we mustn't miss our deadline. 700 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:43,960 So James, people can learn so much from your sub stack and it 701 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,360 was from your sub stack that I actually learnt that there was 702 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,640 auk petition. So could you tell us a bit more 703 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,240 about the the United Kingdom's petition? 704 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,560 It's a very simple petition. It just basically says that we 705 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,520 think that ending EU KS membership in the World Health 706 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,040 Organization is important for the governance of the country. 707 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,400 It's petition number 648609. Just go 708 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:16,960 petition.parliament.uk/petitions/that number 648609, and petitions 709 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,480 routinely get ignored by government officials. 710 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,200 That is completely and totally understood. 711 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,960 This is an opportunity for you to speak to other people. 712 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,400 Ask them what their opinion of this petition is and gauge 713 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,640 whether or not they are allies or if they're even, you know, 714 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,240 remotely aware. If someone says to you, well, 715 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:47,720 why would we want to do that? Let that start a conversation in 716 00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:50,200 the pub or at home or wherever it may be. 717 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,120 The purpose of petitions are to identify what the public 718 00:50:55,120 --> 00:51:00,600 sentiment is, and if you use them properly, you can identify 719 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,320 friends and allies and you know your cause, whatever that cause 720 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,920 may be. As we have this, there's about 721 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,120 88,000 signatures. It needs 100,000 to be 722 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,120 considered for a debate. Push it over the top. 723 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:22,560 I would like to give you James Raguski with a million thanks 724 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,080 from all of us that are watching and reading your work and taking 725 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,480 notice of what you're saying. I'd like to give you James, the 726 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,240 last word and thank you. Well, you know, the problems 727 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:40,240 that we deal with are ultimately local, and if you do not have 728 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,800 control over the people who are trying to control you on a local 729 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:51,720 basis, these negotiations are only going to make those matters 730 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:55,400 worse. They did not need, and you know, 731 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,040 new amendments to the International Health Regulations 732 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,920 or a new treaty to abuse your rights and freedoms the way they 733 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,400 did over the past four or five years. 734 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,680 It will only give them another excuse. 735 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,960 Oh, we have to do this to you because of the treaty. 736 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,960 We have to do this to you because of the amendments. 737 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,240 No, you and me and all of us, each individually and 738 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:24,840 collectively, have to stand up for our rights and our freedoms 739 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,920 against our own local and and larger dictators. 740 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:35,480 We have to get control of our governments and make it so that 741 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,720 they realize they are public servants who are supposed to 742 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:43,360 protect our rights, protect our nation's, and hold them to 743 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,320 account for the mistakes and quite frankly the crimes that 744 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,520 they have already committed. And when you do that on a local 745 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,720 and national basis, you won't really have anything to worry 746 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:59,520 about with these international agreements because they will 747 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,960 crumble. You have to understand this is 748 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,240 not about your health. This is trying to 749 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:12,080 institutionalized a monopoly that the pharmaceutical 750 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,880 companies want over your body. If you don't fight back now, 751 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,320 it's only going to be harder to fight back later. 752 00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:24,320 So speak up now because your silence is viewed as consent. 753 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:25,920 Thank you very much.