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Good afternoon, it's Monday the 
3rd of November 2025, just after

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1:00 and welcome to UK Column 
News. 

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I'm your host, Mike Robinson. 
My Co host in the studio today 

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is Ben Rubin. 
Welcome to the programme Ben, 

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Mike. 
And joining us by video link are

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Sandy Adams and Diane Rasmussen.
Later in the programme, Sandy's 

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going to be reporting on a 
genetic AI and what that means 

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for our governance. 
She's also gonna have an update 

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on Project Servitor, which we 
last reported in fact in 2019. 

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Diane will be covering digital 
ID and gender issues. 

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And I've more on, well, I've, 
I've got some stuff on the 

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success in fact, of against the 
EU censorship agenda. 

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And I'll also be taking a look 
at Med Safety Week, which is 

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this week begins today. 
We're going to begin, then with 

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the stabbings on the train which
stopped at Huntington. 

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We are indeed. 
Good afternoon everybody. 

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The country has been on a state 
of high alert over the weekend 

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after a knife attack on a train 
at Huntington station in 

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Cambridgeshire. 
A man has been arrested and 

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charged with 10 counts of 
attempted murder. 

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This is an appalling situation. 
Our thoughts are with the 

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victims of these crimes and also
with the witnesses. 

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I was actually personally caught
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this on London Bridge back in 
2017 and I know that that stuck 

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with me for quite a long time. 
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this is going to be huge. 
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response must be level headed 
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to further stoke racial, 
religious and political tensions

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in the country with a view to 
punitive crackdowns on our civil

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liberties, no doubt. 
Now the BBC of course, have been

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at the forefront of this. 
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coverage over the weekend. 
This was their home page this 

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morning. 
The incident has its own 

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timeline on the BBC website you 
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earlier on today at 6:40. 
AMA story about a train worker 

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being in hospital and a suspect 
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the scene at 6:49, how the 
stabbing unfolded, with a map of

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the train and timeline 
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situation at 757. 
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Secretary, has announced that 
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presence in train stations to 
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course. 
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armed. 
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We'll see, yeah, militarisation 
of the police absolutely playing

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out in the background. 
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former senior copper being 
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security on trains. 
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thing is heading. 
I think the Royals have chipped 

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in already today, the works. 
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everything at this. 
A security review has already 

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been announced. 
It's going to have a look over 

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on the Guardian. 
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saying that metal detectors at 
train stations would make life 

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impossible and she's going to 
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probably tells us that that's 
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doing. 
They they want to bring in metal

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detectors. 
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difficult for people to travel 
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interfered with by the state 
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We can see, as I've already 
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The Guardian, of course, didn't 
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at the far right, so we can see 
here the police were forced to 

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disclose ethnicity of suspects 
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speculation, as if wanting to 
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the crime is itself some kind of
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And this included a comment from
Dao Babu OBE, a former 

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Metropolitan Police Chief 
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chair of the National 
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also a Common Purpose graduate. 
He did the Matrix programme back

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in 2001. 
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about this. 
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arrested, a gentleman called 
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based in Peterborough. 
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of attempted murder. 
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the Guardian, I believe that 
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there that he's also been 
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attempted murder and possession 
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connection with an incident on 
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that's the Docklands Light 
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run on and on. 
So how come he wasn't arrested 

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for the DLR attack? 
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digital ID. 
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metal gates that would have 
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there for anybody that's getting
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motivation needs to be heading 
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But yeah, don't, don't react 
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particular. 
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then to online safety and well, 
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2019, sorry. 
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paper was published, a key 
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legal but harmful content. 
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parliament, the idea of legal 
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So they dropped that, but it 
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So the latest go at getting 
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regime has been published by 
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the guise of what they call 
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more control over the content 
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content online that they 
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few make use of existing content
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features. 
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question, they say. 
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give users more control over the
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And so they conducted, they 
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control trial with a national 
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3650 UK adults. 
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Not really. 
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And this is to test the impact 
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architectures, they say, on the 
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their sensitive contact 
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identify that the sorry they 
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contains discussion of 
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and hate. 
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emphasises that content is legal
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not go against Ofcom's community
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some people don't want to see 
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technical report. 
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because suicide, self harm, 
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disorders, abuse, hate, these 
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Ofcom's definition of illegal 
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assessment on these types of 
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So what are they talking about? 
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another paper titled Behavioural
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Users. 
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paper that users were asked 
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potentially harmful content on 
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abuse, hatred, self harm, 
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disorders, or any other content 
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offensive, inappropriate and 
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suggests somewhat broader scope 
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already regulated illegal 
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definitions designed to capture 
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considered harmful to the 
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social media users. 
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distress, you know, and people 
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these days. 
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they don't agree with. 
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fall into the into the category.
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for evidence for 2 reports that 
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Online Safety Act about the use 
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assurance and the use of app 
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pathways to digital ID that 
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the Online Safety Act and how 
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there are factors that have 
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of use of age assurance such as 
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concerned. 
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plenty to say about that and 
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investigation is going to be in 
the show notes. 

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But the, the key point here is 
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mainly the risk that every one 
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having to spread our photo IDs 
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kinds of digital identity 
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which is still sitting right 
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We've talked about it many times
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cheques do nothing to protect 
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platforms designed for children,
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children, and where there is no 
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being rolled out because 
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ID. 
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to force children at an ever 
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digital identification that 
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And that is the that the 
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had to step back from it's 
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proposal. 
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would require the widespread 
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under the guise of protecting 
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abuse, with respect to child 
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abuse material. 
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presidency of the European 
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they've taken the decision to 
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So it is rejected. 
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Germany removed its support. 
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Denmark had brought back a 
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That would mean that online 
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could be served with what are 
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sexual abuse material detection 
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Signal, which implement end to 
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But the Danish justice minister,
Peter Homegaard has told local 

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press, and we'll just do a quick
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council presidency would move 
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orders and instead support see 
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voluntary basis in the hope that
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The Danish are concerned that if
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proposal, even voluntary 
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the current legal scheme that 
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out in April 2026. 
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positive step because there's 
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this that they don't feel that 
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can't proceed. 
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There's something rotten in the 
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Like they're, they're right at 
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stuff at the moment, Not just on
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of social innovation 
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Absolutely. 
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coincidence in this case because
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preventing end to end encryption
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But let's welcome Sandy, the 
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term that many people may not 
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why I, why I picked this subject
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about at the moment, the, the 
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the governance boards in, in 
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the, the rise of agenda, the 
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with the objective of, of 
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concept, which is AI agents 
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And this is this is really quite
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It's the most visible banner was
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Ritz Carlton Berlin hotel 
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themed mastering a gentic AI 
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industry leaders to centre the 
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are actually AI driven. 
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Foundation of impact from AI 
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intelligence are starting to 
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is Mikhailo Fedorov, who's 
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transformation, the man behind 
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the Interior and IT 
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Killian, head of the Global 
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Kiev and one in Berlin, will now
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government policy under this new
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projects. 
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from the noun agent, meaning one
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that can produce an effect. 
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embedding AI systems deeper into
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how we perceive benefits, how 
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data, how how how citizens data 
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the same time, a white paper 
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centre introduced the term 
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Now it's this bit, it's a bit 
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the next slide is you've got to 
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Ukraine earlier on in the year 
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the war laboratory is, is, is is
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Really the the fact that this is
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Ukraine has already been a real 
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outright that his company 
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targeting of Ukraine. 
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that helps coordinate a 
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used to run a digital state. 
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largely automated. 
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Government Technology Centre, 
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these events, it's becoming a 
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governance worldwide, the place 
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meet to align standards. 
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governing with AI and being 
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Now the next slide is the BMJ's 
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They reported that Palantir gets
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the NHS data platforms. 
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patient GDPR? 
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the agentic state white paper. 
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worrying because on page 20 of 
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slide, the agentic stake 
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governance where AI systems can 
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minimal human intervention to 
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Human oversight will 
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uncomfortable. 
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Faster form smoother systems 
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responsibility live underneath 
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automated, accountability 
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warning telling us about this 
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past in he warned us about this.
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Milgram used the term agentic 
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when people in stressful 
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responsibility to their actions 
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authority and surrendering their
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conscience and their values to 
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orders to harm others using 
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administered deadly levels of 
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of actors in white coats with 
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authority from a famous 
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It was stated by Milburn that 65
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from authority will obey orders 
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And now, half a century later, 
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stake, is being used to describe
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intelligence. 
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65% plus, who obeyed the 
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media during the vaccine roll 
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It was also used in World War 2 
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The question is who remains 
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algorithm acts. 
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slide allowing others to direct 
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responsibility to the person 
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you know, that's, that's kind of
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And 12, the next slide, moving 
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agented state, you feel less 
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and behave as the agent to the 
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Now you know this, this is it. 
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at this stage where all of this 
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Arab leaders and investors who 
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trusting this plan, quite 
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leaders were questioning the 
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So if we could just roll that 
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Now, if we look at the future, 
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of trust, Yes, if you look at 
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afraid because the progress is 
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Can we understand? 
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at the moment a book on the 
intelligent age, I don't 

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understand all the aspects. 
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not understanding? 
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to be educators, to show them 
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have more opportunities than, 
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Now the future is not happening.
The future is shaped by us. 

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The future is shaped 
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shaped through cooperation and 
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governments, business and civil 
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The worst what we could, what 
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trust into governments or 
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The worst what would could 
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our future and the future is not
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The future is shaped by us, as I
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Interesting. 
I mean, he seems to be worried 

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that, that, that people aren't 
trusting him and quite, quite 

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rightly. 
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know, the future belongs to to 
them. 

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The question is who remains 
accountable when the algorithm 

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acts? 
You know, have we learned our 

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lesson? 
We should pay attention now 

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while we still have a say 
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automated, it's very hard to 
take it back. 

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And when the genie is out of the
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Thank you, Sandy. 
Thank you for that. 

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OK. 
Let's move on to Diane then and 

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welcome to the programme, Diane 
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Darlington with respect to 
nursing there? 

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Yes, thanks Mike. 
Hello everyone. 

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It's good to be here today. 
I thought as the Northern 

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Correspondent for UK column, I 
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there is a very major case going
on right now in Newcastle taking

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place such employment tribunal 
involving 8 nurses who work at 

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Darlington Memorial Hospital and
they have filed legal action 

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against the County Durham and 
Darlington NHS Foundation Trust 

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for sexual harassment and sex 
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They're saying that the changing
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place there for a number of 
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risk in their words and 
specifically women. 

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People may or may not know that 
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NHS businesses have to come to 
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then change into their nursing 
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the hospital. 
And the reason this has all 

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become an issue now is because 
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media anyway as Rose Henderson, 
who is a physical male 

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identifying as female. 
He is reported to be very large 

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physically and has not made any 
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hormones or having surgery to 
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He has been using this changing 
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So eventually in March 2024, 
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hospital and they signed a 
letter complaining to management

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about this person's use of the 
women's changing room and the 

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alleged conduct in there. 
I don't know what that is 

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specifically. 
HR told them, however, that they

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needed to quote, broaden their 
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inclusive after they asked not 
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which is meant to be single sex 
base with a biological man. 

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The trust has also told them 
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happened because he has said he 
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not a problem. 
I've watched some videos where 

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they've interviewed the nurses 
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will be in the show notes. 
Wonder said that, you know, and 

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I think this is an excellent 
point as someone who's been 

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through something similar, is 
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brave to speak out for why the 
women don't feel safe with a man

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entering their spaces. 
The tribunal is still ongoing 

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and I will continue to follow it
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But just as an update, just on 
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Gillian Bailey, who is the 
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according to the BBC, told the 
tribunal that once a person had 

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declared to a line manager that 
they were quotes living their 

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life fully and that gender, 
whatever that means, they could 

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use the single sex space that 
matched their preference. 

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And the barrister for the nurses
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that people whose biological sex
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sex facility would therefore not
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that space. 
To which Mrs Bailey replied, 

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yes, The policy that has been in
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anyone not wanting to share 
their single sex space should 

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use quote, alternative 
facilities, although it did not 

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specify what those should be 
according to what was said to 

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the tribunal. 
So as I said, I will continue to

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report on this, but there are 
some questions to ask here as 

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well. 
What is really going on? 

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Why is this continuing to 
happen? 

461
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,960
We've seen the case which 
there's still some issues 

462
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,640
ongoing with the nurse Sandy 
Pagan Peggy in Scotland. 

463
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,240
She was cleared of gross 
misconduct charges by NHS 5:00 

464
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,760
earlier this year for the same 
issue for saying that she didn't

465
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,760
feel comfortable being forced to
change clothes with a biological

466
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,520
man who has been identified in 
the media as Doctor Beth Upton. 

467
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,720
So I have a video clip here. 
This is not obviously not Rose 

468
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,720
Henderson, but there was this is
another man who is identifying 

469
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,760
as a woman. 
This was an interview that took 

470
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,800
place with this person along 
with Kelly J Keane or Posey 

471
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,800
Parker, depending on how you 
know her and Edge of the Matrix.

472
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,280
They were talking to this person
just outside of the tribunal 

473
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,560
court just over a week ago. 
So let's watch a clip from this 

474
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:05,080
particular video, please. 
Not to use women any spaces, OK.

475
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:11,520
That's fine if you can identify 
for me. 

476
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,720
I'm getting frustrated where 
people are getting confused 

477
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,280
between biological sex. 
Yeah, biological and gender. 

478
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,040
Yeah, biological sex means you 
can't come into women only 

479
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:33,880
spaces. 
But being trans is a protective 

480
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,320
characteristic of. 
The Equality Act, Yeah, but not 

481
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,240
in a women only toilet it's not.
It's a protective characteristic

482
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,200
of the Equality Act. 
Yeah, but not to to allow you in

483
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,680
women only spaces. 
It's not. 

484
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,360
Based on biological sex. 
That's what the Supreme Court 

485
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:56,400
ruling confirmed. 
Was funded by funded by JK 

486
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,880
Rowling with billions. 
Didn't listen to trans voices. 

487
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:06,200
We had we, we had the trans 
judges which were refused to 

488
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,320
give evidence. 
We didn't have our voices heard 

489
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,520
in it. 
The EHRC has removed fair 

490
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,280
evidence. 
I'm going to speak to you very 

491
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,120
kindly. 
I'm going to speak to you very 

492
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,200
kindly, Right. 
Whatever struggles you're going 

493
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,000
through and I, I imagine they 
are immense. 

494
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,400
Your biological sex is male. 
That means you cannot come. 

495
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,400
Yes, yes, I was born a male. 
But you're not. 

496
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,720
I told you. 
Diagnosed with the condition, 

497
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,400
which means that my gender 
doesn't match my biological sex.

498
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,800
But you wouldn't want. 
To make so, would you argue with

499
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,560
medicine? 
Yeah, you wouldn't want women to

500
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,280
feel afraid, would you? 
I don't want women to be afraid.

501
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,320
I don't plan to. 
So he doesn't want women to be 

502
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,960
afraid, but he is making women 
feel afraid by entering their 

503
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,320
toilets and their spaces. 
So I'm sure there's much more to

504
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,680
discuss about this in extra. 
It's, it's a very interesting 

505
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,960
thing which we've been covering 
the last couple of weeks, Mike. 

506
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,600
Absolutely, Diane. 
And, and we will talk about that

507
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,360
in extra, I'm quite sure. 
So thank you for that. 

508
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,000
OK, let's move on then. 
If you like what the UK column 

509
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,560
does, if you'd like to help us 
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510
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And we just want to thank 
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If you can't support us 

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520
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about over the last few years. 
OK? 

521
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,040
Tonight, Jeremy is speaking to 
Escape Key on climate agendas 

522
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,160
and social credit systems at 
7:00 PM. 

523
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,920
Join him for that then. 
And then at 9:00, Carl Zha is 

524
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,720
looking at how China's military 
technological leap has changed 

525
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,920
everything. 
So join him for that at 9:00 

526
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,080
tonight. 
At 1:00 PM tomorrow, I'm 

527
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,800
speaking to Dell Bigtree on an 
An Inconvenient Study, which is 

528
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,840
Dell's new film, which is out. 
If you haven't seen that film, 

529
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,400
it's absolutely worth watching. 
But join me at 1:00 PM for 

530
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,360
discussion with Dell. 
And then on Thursday, Sandy is 

531
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,600
speaking to Neil Oliver at 1:00 
PM. 

532
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,000
So I just want to give her an 
early heads up for that one as 

533
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,200
well. 
Please join us for that. 

534
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,480
Hi, Diane. 
We've got a couple of new 

535
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,000
articles up here. 
First of all, Doctor Piers 

536
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,200
Robinson. 
Yes, so this is a new one from 

537
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,240
Piers Robinson on the part four 
of his really, really 

538
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,200
fascinating and disturbing and 
detailed series on the Syria 

539
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,520
chemical weapons narrative. 
So please check that one out. 

540
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,080
It's it's really very good. 
Thank you, and lest we forget. 

541
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,920
This one is a Part 2 of a four 
part series from Hugh McCarthy 

542
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,240
who is the retired head teacher 
in Northern Ireland. 

543
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,280
This particular series is about 
the damage that has been done to

544
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,560
children or was done to children
during the COVID lockdown era. 

545
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,840
And this is again, an ongoing 
series and lots of things to 

546
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,920
learn from what we already knew 
and what they knew and didn't 

547
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,880
tell us. 
Thanks for that. 

548
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,200
And just to let everybody know 
that the second part of 1000 

549
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Words podcast, Jake Fern 
Painting, James Delingpole, the 

550
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,520
second part of that is available
for members only on the UK 

551
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,960
column website or on the forums.
So do watch it and let us know 

552
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,440
your thoughts on it. 
And Dan, the Scottish Union for 

553
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,360
Education conference is 
upcoming. 

554
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,520
Yes, it's the 15th of November, 
which is a Saturday all day in 

555
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,560
Glasgow. 
The tickets are available. 

556
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,040
They're relatively well priced. 
There will be a link in the show

557
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,080
notes if you would like to buy a
ticket for yourself. 

558
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,360
I have some information here 
from Doctor Stewart Wayton, 

559
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,240
who's the chair of the Scottish 
Union for Education, that he 

560
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,600
just wanted me to share with UK 
column viewers today about the 

561
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,080
conference. 
And he said, quote, Scottish 

562
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,320
education is in serious trouble 
following standards, low 

563
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,840
expectations and a Curriculum 
for Excellence. 

564
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,120
That is neither a curriculum or 
about excellence. 

565
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,000
I can say that's true. 
I've looked at it in detail. 

566
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,720
On top of this, those who run 
our education system argue that 

567
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,880
teaching is about social 
justice. 

568
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,000
As a result, schools are being 
filled with activists and 

569
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,120
activism and a new politically 
correct dogma. 

570
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,360
Without a focus on knowledge as 
key, helped by belief in the 

571
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,880
beauty and ingenuity of the 
past, the best that has been 

572
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,120
thought and said, schools lose 
their sense of purpose and 

573
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,880
discipline. 
We have a great lineup of 

574
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,120
speakers including Sir Nick 
Gibb, Tom Bennett and Joanna 

575
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,600
Williams. 
We want to get education on the 

576
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,040
political agenda so that our 
politicians in the 2026 

577
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,360
Hollywood election cannot ignore
this issue. 

578
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,720
We desperately need education, 
not indoctrination. 

579
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,880
So please join the Scottish 
Union for Education on the 15th 

580
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,240
of November if you possibly can.
Thanks, Dan. 

581
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,480
Fantastic. 
I would echo that. 

582
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,840
OK, let's move on then to great 
news because today marks the 

583
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,080
beginning of Med Safety Week 
2025. 

584
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,520
Could it be any better? 
The 10th annual Med Safety Week 

585
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,480
brings together more than 130 
medicines, regulators and health

586
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,040
organisations, of course, 117 
countries. 

587
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,840
And this is also that the U, KS,
MHRA can continue to try to 

588
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,840
establish itself as a global 
pharmaceutical enabler. 

589
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,880
I mean, regular regulator. 
Now, MHRA has announced that 

590
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,320
it's urging the public to help 
keep medicines, medical devices,

591
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,320
vaccines and blood products safe
by reporting side effects, 

592
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,280
device incidents and suspected 
fake medical products as part of

593
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,960
Med Safety Week. 
And they say that with more 

594
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,239
people using medicines and 
medical devices than ever 

595
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,840
before, from weight loss 
treatments to wearable monitors,

596
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,120
safety reporting is a key part 
of protecting public health. 

597
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,360
Because they did that very well 
during the Covic jab roll out, 

598
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,520
didn't they Dan? 
Well, they did, but they didn't 

599
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,720
do anything about the 
information coming back. 

600
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,680
Indeed. 
Anyway, anyone they say 

601
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,800
patients, carers, pharmacists, 
doctors, nurses can report 

602
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,160
through the MHR MHRA yellow card
scheme at yellow card at 

603
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,320
mhra.gov.uk and they're asking 
people to report side effects 

604
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,640
even if they're unsure they're 
linked to the medicine, medical 

605
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,480
device problems such as false or
unexpected behaviour, suspected 

606
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,520
fake products, especially those 
bought online or via social 

607
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,440
media. 
Now they have a fake meds 

608
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,240
campaign which provides advice 
to people in the UK who are 

609
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,280
considering buying medication 
online. 

610
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,400
And they said that this outlines
how products can be accessed 

611
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,160
from safe and legitimate 
sources. 

612
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,280
But I just wanted to highlight 
the headline there. 

613
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,640
Fake medicines can kill. 
And yet we could say that 

614
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,960
equally about pharmaceuticals. 
So you know. 

615
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,520
It's one of the top killers in 
the NHS isn't it? 

616
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,720
Over medication? 
Dear, Oh dear. 

617
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:06,760
Yes, indeed. 
They got some real I think the 

618
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,560
word is chutzpah. 
This is this is. 

619
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,320
This is really quite something. 
Yeah, well also from the NHS in 

620
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,640
what they claim to be a move, a 
major move for people living 

621
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,080
with so called rare conditions, 
they've announced their 

622
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,600
intention to completely overhaul
how rare disease therapies are 

623
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,440
developed and approved and 
delivered in the UK. 

624
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,400
And again, rather than 
regulating, they're enabling. 

625
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,760
And this fits very well with the
Stargate project by the way. 

626
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,160
They're saying that currently, 
around three and a half million 

627
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,320
people in the UK live with a 
rare disease, and that fewer 

628
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,640
than 5% of those conditions have
a licenced treatment. 

629
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,040
They say that the average 
patient's journey to diagnosis 

630
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,240
is 5.6 years, and for children 
diagnosed with rare diseases, 

631
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,800
around 30% of them die before 
their 5th birthday. 

632
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,640
And so to deal with this, 
they've announced that they're 

633
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,720
writing a bold new rule book, 
with publication expected next 

634
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,280
year. 
They're going to create a 

635
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,360
faster, more flexible pathway 
for rare disease therapies, 

636
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000
recognising the traditional drug
approval routes don't always 

637
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,520
work when patient numbers are 
small and clinical trial data 

638
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,000
are limited. 
And so they'll consider whether 

639
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,680
a single approval could cover 
both the start of a clinical 

640
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,920
trial and a marketing 
authorization. 

641
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,000
And they'll consider that on the
basis of compelling but limited 

642
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,000
evidence with rigorous post 
market monitoring and real world

643
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,440
data to follow. 
They say that it's going to, 

644
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,040
they're going to improve the 
sharing of evidence both 

645
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,040
domestically and 
internationally, so that source 

646
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,200
data or sorry, that sorry that 
scarce data can be pulled. 

647
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,040
They're going to develop 
surveillance systems to track 

648
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,800
safety and outcomes after 
treatment. 

649
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,680
And they're going to better 
align the UK's regulatory and 

650
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,560
health system process processes.
Now I understand why this might 

651
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,800
seem on the surface to be 
fantastic news for those 

652
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,840
desperate for a solution to real
problems and consider what this 

653
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,600
is doing. 
Faster trial approvals, 

654
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,000
normalisation of therapies based
on genomics and mRNA. 

655
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,840
While they talk about 
potentially a greater number of 

656
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,080
life changing treatments 
reaching those affected, they 

657
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,000
also talk about this always 
being under the mantra of safety

658
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,160
and efficacy. 
And we've seen that demonstrated

659
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,720
over the last few years. 
And what this is doing is making

660
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:19,200
use of people that are in tragic
conditions to normalise the 

661
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:23,160
types of behaviour that we saw 
2021-2022. 

662
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,160
Indeed. 
And increase surveillance and 

663
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:29,280
yeah. 
Yes. 

664
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,000
No. 
Bad news. 

665
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,200
Absolutely. 
Now sticking of surveillance and

666
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,600
digitization and so on. 
What's happening in the? 

667
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,360
EU, the EU, the European Union. 
Well, we're going to have a 

668
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,360
little look at the EU and its 
role in the orchestration of 

669
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,600
global governance, the values 
that it adheres to and the fact 

670
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,440
that it's actually really quite 
struggling at the moment to roll

671
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,200
out some of its big programmes, 
particularly around AI and CBDC,

672
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,480
which I'm quite tickled by to be
honest with you. 

673
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,920
But to start with, let's have a 
little listen to a clip from 

674
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,280
this interview with the French 
author, philosopher and civil 

675
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,120
servant Jacques Itali, talking 
about the EU and its role in 

676
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:18,080
global governance back in 2009. 
History teaches us that if 

677
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,720
Europe doesn't get its act 
together in the next few years 

678
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,440
with a proper European 
government, the whole European 

679
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,400
project will collapse, because 
if we don't move forward, we'll 

680
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,360
fall back. 
And if we don't have one finance

681
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,920
minister, one budget, one 
economic policy, one social 

682
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,000
policy, the euro itself will 
have no meaning because the euro

683
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,880
cannot exist without a single 
minded European discipline. 

684
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,560
So the EU of tomorrow must be 
completely integrated 

685
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,600
politically or will cease to 
exist. 

686
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,520
Exactly. 
Or each nation will revert to 

687
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,440
protectionism and that is a 
threat to world growth. 

688
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,360
Either we're heading to towards 
the world government or we're 

689
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,040
going to put national issues 
first. 

690
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,800
This idea of a world government 
will frighten many people. 

691
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,080
Indeed, that's only to be 
expected because it seems like a

692
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,000
fantasy. 
But there is already global 

693
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,200
authority in many areas, in 
airline security, in football, 

694
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,120
in banking. 
And even if it's hard to think 

695
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,680
of a European government at the 
moment, which is there but very 

696
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,400
weak, Europe can at least pass 
on its experience to the world. 

697
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,960
If we're not capable of creating
an economic framework alongside 

698
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,280
a political framework in Europe,
then we're never going to do it 

699
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:42,520
on a global scale. 
Economic, political, social 

700
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:47,840
coherence into a single entity 
militarily as well, which we 

701
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,720
talk about all the time. 
And people are scared about 

702
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:53,520
this, as you laughed about in 
the clip, because they just 

703
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,360
can't believe how there's 
something this good could ever 

704
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,880
exist. 
Absolutely, yeah. 

705
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,720
Interesting, right? 
EU, right? 

706
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,840
At the absolute core of efforts 
for global governance, this is 

707
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,600
the laboratory. 
This is where everything is 

708
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,600
being tested out. 
And importantly, it's got a very

709
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,800
specific set of values. 
Let's have a little listen to 

710
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,440
Ursula von der Leyen talking in 
Israel back in 2022. 

711
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,600
Europe is the values of the 
Talmud, the Jewish sense of 

712
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:27,360
personal responsibility, of 
justice and of solidarity. 

713
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,800
So apparently it runs on 
Talmudic values, Talmud being 

714
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,520
one of the key texts of Rabbinic
Judaism. 

715
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,360
And that would probably surprise
most people to hear that, to be 

716
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,080
honest with you, or maybe less 
so of late. 

717
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,520
I don't know. 
Anyway, how's this stuff being 

718
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,280
deployed? 
Those Talmudic values are being 

719
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,600
encoded into the technological 
substructure that the whole of 

720
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,880
our system is running on and 
will run run on more in the 

721
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,560
future if these people have 
their way. 

722
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,480
But they're actually struggling 
to roll it out. 

723
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,960
Let's have a little listen to 
Ursula talking about AI in 

724
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,480
rather desperate fashion just a 
few months ago. 

725
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,640
Next week. 
We are presenting an Apply AI 

726
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:16,160
strategy. 
It is based on a simple yet 

727
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,920
transformative principle and 
that is AI first. 

728
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,560
I think this is worth an. 
Applaud. 

729
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:35,800
I heard the one and only person 
there that was symbolic for the 

730
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,160
uptake of AI. 
One person starting, the rest 

731
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:45,120
following. 
That was symbolic for the uptake

732
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,640
of AI. 
Politician makes a big 

733
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,000
announcement, no one's 
interested. 

734
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,760
Yeah, absolutely no one wants 
this. 

735
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,520
They're struggling to implement 
it. 

736
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,800
We talk about it all the time. 
And actually a lot of the 

737
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,800
signals that I'm getting back 
just from listening to my my 

738
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,400
former professional network in 
places like LinkedIn, for 

739
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,520
example, is that the 
experiments, the proofs of 

740
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,800
concepts are not gaining 
traction. 

741
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,920
This is like trying to mix oil 
and water. 

742
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,920
Like it's just, you can shake it
up and it might look like it's 

743
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,080
mixed, but actually it will just
separate again. 

744
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,120
It's not going to work. 
And it's not just AI where 

745
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,760
they're really struggling. 
It's also with CBDC. 

746
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Let's have a little listen now 
to Christine Lagarde. 

747
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,200
Hello, I have good news for you 
on the digital euro front. 

748
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,920
Today the Governing Council has 
decided to move ahead on the 

749
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,800
next and final phase of the 
preparatory work for the digital

750
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,960
euro. 
The other good news is that on 

751
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,520
October 23rd, the European 
Council has asked us and all 

752
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,960
those involved to accelerate the
process so that we can roll out 

753
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,320
the digital euro as early as 
possible. 

754
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:00,240
This is important because as 
much as banknotes will continue 

755
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:06,320
to circulate, we want cash to be
in the form of digital euro as 

756
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,360
well, so that you can circulate 
banknotes and click cash with 

757
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,680
the digital euro. 
More work is going to be done in

758
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,240
the next few months and if we 
receive the approval by the 

759
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:23,080
European Parliament in the 
course of 26, we'll be able to 

760
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:28,080
pilot the digital euro as of 27.
And if the pilot is conclusive 

761
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,320
and positive, it will be a 
formal roll out in the whole of 

762
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,720
Europe in 2029. 
This is a big project because 

763
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,160
the euro is our currency, your 
currency. 

764
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,200
It brings us together. 
It's a symbol of trust in our 

765
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,560
common destiny. 
So off we go with the digital 

766
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,600
euro in that next and final 
phase of the preparation. 

767
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,440
Off we go, Ben. 
Off we go. 

768
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,640
It's a symbol of trust in our 
common destiny, ever closer 

769
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,560
union between the European 
states. 

770
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,280
The next and final phase that 
they're moving into CBDC, the 

771
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,800
Council want them to accelerate 
this because this is the primary

772
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,600
control mechanism for this 
digital state that they're 

773
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,560
ushering us into. 
So they're getting desperate, I 

774
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,600
think, right? 
They want to pull this over the 

775
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,280
line. 
People don't want it. 

776
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,280
That was on Twitter. 
If you go and have a look at the

777
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,880
comments underneath it, I would 
say it is 99% negative, right? 

778
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,840
And that's why they're so 
terrified at the moment. 

779
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,240
Is that the public response? 
One of the reasons why they're 

780
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:31,840
trying to crack down on social 
media so, so much at the moment,

781
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,160
it's because what is coming back
to them from the population is 

782
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,480
universally negative. 
Again, just go and look at one 

783
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,440
of anything that Keir Starmer 
posts online at the moment is 

784
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,720
getting ratioed 12:50 at least 
even with all of the 77 

785
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,760
brigadiers in there going into 
bat for him. 

786
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,040
And then crucially, that final 
point from from that clip from 

787
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,480
Lagarde was that the rollout 
date for this is 2029. 

788
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,960
So they've still got three years
to go. 

789
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,200
And a lot can happen in three in
three weeks, let alone three 

790
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,120
years. 
So for me, that makes me feel 

791
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,040
very optimistic despite all of 
the stuff that we got going on 

792
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,400
around us. 
So, Diane, of course, CBDC can't

793
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,840
happen without digital ID. 
What was happening over the 

794
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,920
weekend? 
Absolutely true, Mike. 

795
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,920
And this is where we need to 
draw the line. 

796
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,800
I believe there have been 
digital ID rallies starting up 

797
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,120
all over the country. 
I was speaking at the one in 

798
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,720
Newcastle over the weekend. 
We can see there we were 

799
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:32,360
gathered by the monuments and 
that you can see the crowds were

800
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,320
relatively well sized. 
Certainly we would have liked 

801
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,760
more, but we were also happy 
with the fact that there were 

802
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,560
some people there in support of 
us. 

803
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,480
Really, really interesting set 
of talks. 

804
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,120
I believe mine was the first one
that went up around. 

805
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,440
I sort of was trying to get the 
crowd going and trying to get 

806
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,880
people engaged a bit. 
So I had actually quite a good 

807
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,040
time at the event. 
Afterwards there was a a March 

808
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,280
which led through Eldon Square, 
which is the shopping centre 

809
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,520
that's near the monuments in the
city centre of Newcastle, which 

810
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,640
I did not participate in. 
But I did hear that that there 

811
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,760
was quite successful. 
The police tried to intervene 

812
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,560
and stop them, but they were not
successful in doing so. 

813
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,960
So I actually think that was a 
pretty good sign. 

814
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,800
So I've got some clips here if 
we can play some of the, the 

815
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,200
things that I have available 
here. 

816
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,240
I have two clips from my talk 
and I have to say I got quite 

817
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,440
emotional, which is probably 
good as well as bad. 

818
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,680
But let's let's watch my first 
clip and then we'll see what 

819
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,360
what happened. 
What? 

820
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:37,160
Were they doing in 2020-2021? 
Do we remember vaccine passports

821
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,200
track and trace? 
Was this a test? 

822
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:42,200
Were they trying to get 
compliance going? 

823
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,120
Yes, they were. 
Do we remember how many 

824
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:50,560
complied? 
I did not know any mask. 

825
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:51,440
Wearers. 
Nope. 

826
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,640
Any test and trace people? 
Any jabs? 

827
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,160
No, none of us did any of it. 
And we need to do the same thing

828
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,880
now in 2025 with digital ID 
because that's what they were 

829
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,960
trying to get us to do five 
years ago. 

830
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,240
How many more people do we have 
now with us? 

831
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,960
How many more people have we 
seen pass away from the 

832
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,680
experimental injections they 
were putting into our friends 

833
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,520
and family? 
Do we have more people with us 

834
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,760
now? 
But maybe we're not with us in 

835
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:27,760
2020. 
What do you think to be seen 

836
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,760
enough that we've seen our 
children suffer from not being 

837
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,640
able to go to school because 
they were supposed to be staying

838
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,560
home and protecting granny. 
How many of us remember that 

839
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,360
right? 
How many of us had businesses 

840
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,520
ruined, careers destroyed? 
I lost my university career as a

841
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,480
professor because I was speaking
out. 

842
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:55,280
I refused to accept the £350,000
that the NHS was trying to offer

843
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,480
me to push the jabs. 
Why? 

844
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,760
Because I have a conscience and 
you all do here today and we 

845
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,760
need to continue to do this 
work. 

846
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:15,120
How many of us understand? 
What's going on behind Digital 

847
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,440
ID? 
What are they trying to do? 

848
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,320
They want to watch everything 
that we do. 

849
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,640
And what's dangerous about that 
is that they will know exactly 

850
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,080
where we are, what we're doing. 
Do we want that for ourselves? 

851
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,440
Do we want that for our 
children? 

852
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:29,880
Do we want that for our 
families? 

853
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,600
No. 
Resist, defy. 

854
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,400
Do not comply. 
Resist, defy. 

855
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:44,120
Do not comply. 
So after that range of emotional

856
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,200
issues I've been through, I 
tried to calm it down a bit 

857
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,040
further later on in the speech. 
So let's watch what happens 

858
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,560
later on. 
How do we do this? 

859
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,360
We love each other. 
This is a spiritual battle. 

860
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,000
We're in everybody. 
We have to love each other. 

861
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,640
We have to give everybody a hug.
We have to keep positive. 

862
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,600
This is what happens. 
People say I give them hope on 

863
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,360
UK column. 
We need a fresh approach. 

864
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,360
We need to love each other. 
We need to work together. 

865
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,840
We need to give out the love and
the hope and the and the 

866
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,480
spiritual difference. 
That will be what we will need 

867
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,840
to be made if we're going to 
make a difference so that those 

868
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,120
evil people down there at 10 
Downing St don't take over our 

869
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,520
lives and the individual 
freedoms that we all possess by 

870
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,560
just. 
Existing. 

871
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,560
And we have to protect that. 
Are you willing to help me? 

872
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,760
What are we going to do is this?
Do not comply. 

873
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,560
So you can see my entire speech 
as well as the speeches of the 

874
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:52,040
others who were talking to the 
crowd in Newcastle on the We the

875
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,000
People Northeast. 
All of the speeches are 

876
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,880
available there. 
We also had, as we see here, a 

877
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,360
few still images that I've taken
from the event. 

878
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,280
First there was Charlie Van Boy,
who was the comparer for the 

879
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,000
event. 
I have to say though, I was on 

880
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,760
1st because Charlie was running 
late because he thought it 

881
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,680
started at 1:00 PM, but actually
it started at noon and and we 

882
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,360
were all running a bit behind, 
but we got there eventually. 

883
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,160
Lots of really interesting signs
there. 

884
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,760
You can see from the yellow 
board people as well. 

885
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,000
We also had a very good factual 
speech from Martin Davies who is

886
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,960
with the Freedom Alliance and 
you can see there he was holding

887
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,200
up a cassette tape and saying, 
so who's comparing what it was 

888
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,960
like when we made mixtapes back 
in our generation, how we could,

889
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,240
you know, fix a tape when it was
broken And but but what do we do

890
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:38,520
when the digital system gets 
broken and we can no longer 

891
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,200
access things? 
And how is that going to affect 

892
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,400
our lives that it was much 
easier to repair something back 

893
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,400
in that time then compared to 
what we have now when everything

894
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,680
is is meant to be apparently on 
our phones and trackable and 

895
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,560
traceable. 
But then you know, one of my 

896
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,080
concerns, as well as what 
happens when that goes down. 

897
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,800
What happens when your passport 
is on your phone and you can't 

898
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,040
get back into the country after 
you've been on holiday because 

899
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,040
the the phone got discharged 
while you were on the plane for 

900
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,040
however long. 
We also had Fiona Rose Diamonds,

901
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,480
who is she's been active in 
protests and so on for many 

902
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,920
years, including during the 
COVID era. 

903
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:17,120
She's holding her phone up 
there. 

904
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,040
As you know, possibly, I guess 
an example of, you know, these 

905
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,440
are the kinds of things that we 
carry around with us. 

906
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,400
But you know, what actually is 
it that we are protesting 

907
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,040
against? 
And that is again, as we've been

908
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,640
talking about throughout today's
news and as UK column has been 

909
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,840
covering for a very long time, 
the issues of surveillance, the 

910
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,960
issues of CBDC, which again 
can't take place unless we agree

911
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,680
to digital ID. 
The fact that we on driving 

912
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,760
licences, so the DVLA records, 
NHS records, everything else 

913
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,520
that we need to have whatsoever 
will be on this. 

914
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,680
And that's my concern as someone
with a background in informatics

915
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,000
and data, is that the real 
danger happens when everything 

916
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,720
is connected all together. 
It's bad enough when we already 

917
00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:00,600
have all of our different sales 
data and our, you know, 

918
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,320
government data and our uk.gov 
information and everything else 

919
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,960
all scattered around online. 
But Mike, you'll know as well, 

920
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,240
probably better than I will that
the really dangerous part of 

921
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,280
this is when we have digital ID 
and they link all of these 

922
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,200
things together in one place and
then what happens to us and sort

923
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,800
of the vulnerability that's 
associated with having those 

924
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,160
things tied together. 
So I'm not sure if you have 

925
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,360
anything to say about this, 
Mike. 

926
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,120
I'm sure you do. 
Well, we'll keep that for extra 

927
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,240
because there'll be plenty to 
discuss there. 

928
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:36,280
So thanks, Diane for that. 
Sandy, let's sort of finish with

929
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,920
project Servator. 
As I say, we didn't. 

930
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,280
You haven't mentioned this since
2019. 

931
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,040
It's really sort of Stasi, 
Germany coming to Britain. 

932
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,360
Absolutely, Mike. 
And and it kind of links up to 

933
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,960
what Ben was saying earlier 
about the Huntington thing. 

934
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:58,040
It really is ramping up police 
presence and fear and it's it's 

935
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,280
it's exerting extra police 
powers in communities now. 

936
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:08,840
You know, we, we've just this 
week, my first slide is, is the 

937
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,440
fact that Glastonbury, which is 
actually quite a sleepy little 

938
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,520
place. 
Yeah, we've got, we've got a few

939
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:20,240
worries with drunks and and the 
odd drug problem, but it's it's 

940
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,520
not massive antisocial 
behaviour. 

941
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,480
But ahead of the Glastonbury 
Chilkwell Carnival, which I have

942
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,800
to say is a, is a, is a family 
event, even in Somerset, Police 

943
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,920
will be conducting project 
servator and they're, they're 

944
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,680
going to deploy these around 
Glastonbury town centre using 

945
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,480
highly visible and unpredictable
patrols to deter criminal 

946
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,600
activity and reassure the public
that officers will work with 

947
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:50,040
partners to spot suspicious 
behaviour and encourage everyone

948
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,920
to report anything that doesn't 
feel right now. 

949
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,400
This is a, this is really kind 
of 1984 snitch society stuff. 

950
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,160
So I, I just wanted just, I 
mean, I am going to be running a

951
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,600
video at the moment about what 
project servator is all about. 

952
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,480
And, and it is, it's, it's, it's
kind of even in Somerset Police 

953
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:15,480
and partners, our businesses and
the public are, are rolling 

954
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,320
this, this, this whole thing 
out. 

955
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,360
It's a name given to 
unpredictable, highly visible 

956
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,960
police deployments carried out 
by even and Somerset Police and 

957
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,720
other forces designed to disrupt
a wide range of criminal 

958
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,880
activity. 
The tactics aimed to identify 

959
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,800
and disrupt hostile 
reconnaissance, the information 

960
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,240
gathering a criminal does when 
planning to commit a criminal 

961
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,200
act, including terrorist 
attacks. 

962
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,960
Our officers are experienced and
specially trained to got the 

963
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,720
tell tale signs that someone may
be carrying out hostile 

964
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,200
reconnaissance or preparing to 
commit a crime. 

965
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,880
Now this is pre crime. 
We once had Haber's corpus, 

966
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,760
innocent until proven guilty. 
That is a thing of the past. 

967
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,360
They work with security staff to
look out for those signs and 

968
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,520
take action. 
What you will see Specially 

969
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,560
trained uniformed UN uniformed 
officers will turn up 

970
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:14,560
unannounced at various locations
to carry out deployments and 

971
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,920
these will be unpredictable so 
they could happen at any time 

972
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,040
and last for different amounts 
of time. 

973
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,840
The officers will be supported 
by other assets and security 

974
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,480
measures. 
Some you will be able to see and

975
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,000
some you will not, such as 
plainclothes police officers, 

976
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:34,960
police dogs and horses, armed 
officers, CCTV operators, 

977
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,040
automatic number plate 
recognition and police drones. 

978
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,320
Vehicle checkpoints are often 
carried out as part of the 

979
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,680
deployments. 
Officers will hand out leaflets 

980
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,880
explaining what project servitor
is, while you may also see 

981
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,280
posters on display. 
Now, you know, this is, this is 

982
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:59,200
really ramping up the whole fear
factor within our communities 

983
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:04,560
and encouraging community 
policing in a sort of 1984 

984
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,760
snitch society akin to Orwell's 
1984. 

985
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,760
So I'm deeply suspicious of this
because it's, it's so full on 

986
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,480
and particularly in a town at a 
family event like Glastonbury. 

987
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,920
Why is it being implemented back
to you? 

988
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,680
So this is a good question, 
Sandy, And, you know, just just 

989
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,880
to make sure everybody 
understands, although Sandy's 

990
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,520
talking about it, even in 
Somerset Police, this is 

991
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,480
something, this is a national 
thing. 

992
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:38,120
So it's, it's being trialled at,
at, at Glastonbury, but it's 

993
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,680
something that's being rolled 
out right across the country. 

994
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,960
And, and a very key feature of 
it is indeed the whole snitch 

995
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,000
culture, Sandy. 
And that's why I mentioned the 

996
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,840
Stasi state thing at the 
beginning. 

997
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,560
I mean, what have you got? 
Any thoughts? 

998
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,920
No, I'm specious, really. 
It's just, I mean, what, what an

999
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,080
indictment of the society we 
live in that this is going on. 

1000
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,600
Well, and that nobody's pushing 
back against it well. 

1001
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,760
But. 
Quite this sort of idea of 

1002
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,680
reliance on the state and of 
course the state having the role

1003
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,200
in keeping everyone safe. 
This is no longer something that

1004
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,720
you or I do for ourselves. 
We don't make our own, make our 

1005
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,320
own judgments about what keeps 
us safe. 

1006
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:25,040
We've got to rely on ever armed,
ever surveilled, surveilling 

1007
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,480
police and others to do this for
us. 

1008
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,120
It is quite incredible. 
It is. 

1009
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,680
OK, super. 
Thank you. 

1010
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,160
Let's leave that there for today
then. 

1011
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,760
Thanks to everybody that's 
joined us. 

1012
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,560
We'll be back in a few minutes 
for some news. 

1013
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,160
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member. 

1014
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,640
If you're not, maybe you'd like 
to join and join us for Extra as

1015
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,240
well. 
But don't forget German warfare 

1016
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:52,320
tonight at 7, the Silicon Steel 
podcast at 9 and my interview 

1017
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,760
with Dell Big Tree tomorrow at 
1:00 PM on in the usual places. 

1018
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,680
We hope to see you then. 
See you for now. 

1019
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:58,320
Bye bye.