1 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,080 Good afternoon. Today is Monday the 6th of 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,600 October 2025, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News. 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,640 I'm your host Brian Garish, delighted to have Ben Rubin with 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,360 me in the studio. And we'll be joined by Sandy and 5 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,480 Adams who'll be coming in on Live Link. 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,800 Well, a very nice day here in Plymouth and we did have a 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,160 beautiful day yesterday, which is always good for uplifting the 8 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:35,960 mood. And probably most people in the 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:40,640 UK today need a little bit of uplift to balance out what is 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,600 generally a pretty dark news front. 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,240 We're going to try and do a bit of both. 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,000 We're going to be reporting what's been happening with the 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,080 Palestine action protests. We're going to be having a look 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,760 at protest angst, which of course is being driven up by the 15 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,080 mainstream media. We'll also be having a look at 16 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,480 uniparty politics. Ben is going to be getting into 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,200 the Judeo Islamic Alliance, which is absolutely fascinating. 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,040 Sandy Adams is going to be taking a look at drones over 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Somerset. And we're also going to be 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,760 majoring in on transformational change. 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,760 Now some of this is at the global and I'll say high level 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,720 nationalist level. Of course, Tony Blair's name 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,240 comes into the mix. And we're also going to be 24 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,720 having a look at the bottom end, what's happening with 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,920 transformational change at community levels. 26 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:40,320 And finally, we're going to have a look at digital ID, but with a 27 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:43,800 bit of a boost, which is essentially a little bit of 28 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,760 focus in on what people can actually do. 29 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:52,400 Well, let's kick off with a an excellent report which will Will 30 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,920 Coleshill sent in for the UK column. 31 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,960 And this is about the protests in London. 32 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,160 This is Will Coleshill reporting for UK column today. 33 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,920 I'm here in Trafalgar Square where we have a protest against 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,880 the ban on Palestine action. The police have just moved in 35 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,520 behind me and we're about to witness the first arrest. 36 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,400 We have people here with the signs saying that they support 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,000 Palestine action, which under current legislation has been 38 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,560 prescribed as a terrorist organization over criminal 39 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,200 damage. We have the police making a 40 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,200 cordon now. This is the first arrest that 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:35,920 I've seen so far today. What first led you to come out 42 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:39,040 with this sign and face up to what they're going to throw at 43 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,120 you, I guess. Well. 44 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,800 What they're going to throw at us, whatever it is, is nothing 45 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,280 compared to what Israel is throwing at the Palestinians. 46 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,440 And it's completely out of proportion to the Hamas attack. 47 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,960 And it's been almost universally condemned from our own 48 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,280 government. And that's why I'm here. 49 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,400 And the idea that people like Palestine Action are terrorists 50 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,360 and therefore we who are now supporting them are deemed to be 51 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,000 terrorist is just preposterous. Our government is trying to shut 52 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,440 down our protest against a genocide and against the war 53 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,960 crimes that our government is committing with our tax money. 54 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:34,520 And we need to hold on to our our right to free speech and the 55 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,200 prescription. We are protesting the 56 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,440 prescription of Palestine action, which was an overreach 57 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:46,880 of the law, even by the standards of the UN human rights 58 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,840 chief Volcker Turk, and also, I believe by Amnesty 59 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:56,400 International. So we're here to to make sure we 60 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,080 hang on to our right to free speech and to protest. 61 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,440 As a Jewish person whose relatives were killed in the 62 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:10,160 Holocaust, and I'm outraged that the Israeli government and our 63 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:15,320 government used the Holocaust as a shield for a Jewish state to 64 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,640 commit genocide and to lump all Jewish people together. 65 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:24,680 Assume that all Jewish people support Israel, which in my mind 66 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,320 has resulted in anti-Semitism in this country, which resulted in 67 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,360 the other day in Manchester. I knew that was going to happen 68 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,960 because they lump everybody together, all Jews with the 69 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,800 genocide that Israel is committing and it's Zionism. 70 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,840 It's not Jewish people. You're a little maybe a little 71 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:52,160 weary that you know, we will, there will be a charge even seen 72 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,520 again that that we will be charged if, if we're repeat 73 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,840 offenders. But I think, well, I don't think 74 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:02,520 I know that we all feel so strongly that that we're 75 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,720 prepared to take that chance and take the consequences. 76 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,800 Are you worried that you might go to prison? 77 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,320 Well. It, I mean, makes no difference 78 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,360 to me. I'm retired. 79 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,120 It won't affect my career. For younger people, I can see it 80 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,640 be more of an issue because it could affect their careers. 81 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,440 That's why I think it's important that older people like 82 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,520 myself come and do our bit. The strength of this type of 83 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,640 protest is it has brought out the establishment. 84 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,920 You know, you can see the average age looking around. 85 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,600 They're people who don't have to worry about their employment 86 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,040 prospects largely. That's part of the reason. 87 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,800 But they're professional people. They're retired teachers, 88 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,920 doctors, lawyers, you know, Armed Services people. 89 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:52,480 They're establishment people. And it's very hard for the 90 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,120 country to ignore that. And it's even hard for the 91 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:01,240 mainstream media to ignore that. So I think the exposure that 92 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:08,320 this protest has had has made a big difference in terms of 93 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,440 public opinion. Are you going to try and 94 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,600 challenge this through conscientious acquittal by the 95 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,520 jury system? So you're likely to go not 96 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,800 guilty and then rely on the jury out of conscience to say not 97 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,360 guilty? I might do that, yeah. 98 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,640 I mean, the problem sometimes is that don't let you say why 99 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,880 you're doing it. And that's a ridiculous. 100 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,840 Why shouldn't we be allowed to say what we're doing? 101 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:33,480 So. I haven't really decided that. 102 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,840 This issue was only going to be solved by the grassroots, and 103 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:39,400 that seems to be what's happening. 104 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:44,160 World public opinion has shifted monumentally on the Palestine 105 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:50,560 issue, and any politician who ignores that does so at their 106 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,760 peril. OK, so I've spoken to some of 107 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,160 the people here today holding up these placards and get a little 108 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,560 bit of insight into how they think. 109 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,520 One thing that's quite interesting seems to be pivotal 110 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,600 is this judicial review and whether this entire prescription 111 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,640 of Palestine action is going to be thrown out. 112 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,680 Also key to this is the role of juries, whether those juries are 113 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,280 going to be able to get these people off through conscientious 114 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,360 acquittal, and therefore whether the entire state apparatus 115 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,040 trying to label them as terrorists is going to be 116 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,120 rendered ineffective. This is Will Coleshill reporting 117 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,840 for UK column. Well, a big thank you to Will 118 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,920 Coleshill for that report. That was only a a small 119 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,400 selection of the interviews that he actually carried out. 120 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,920 We've given our audience 5 minutes of that. 121 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,120 Of course, the beat. Nobody will ever see an 122 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,200 equivalent of local opinion, opinion of people on the 123 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,440 streets, on the BBC, for example. 124 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,840 So we're really going to say that Will did a great job by 125 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,880 getting up there and seeing those very dangerous protesters, 126 00:07:54,080 --> 00:08:01,480 some 500 people arrested from 18 to 89, one blind gentleman LED 127 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,080 away by the police. So this is the state of the 128 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:06,760 country. If you dare challenge the 129 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,280 government. And notice what that Jewish lady 130 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,360 said. She was very concerned about 131 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,120 Zionism. She said that Jewish people can 132 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,720 effectively tell the difference between what's Zionist policy 133 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,920 and what's reality, what should be in the hearts of human 134 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,280 beings. But according to the government, 135 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,360 there must be no criticism of Israel. 136 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,640 Let's reinforce that point by having a look at the 137 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:38,400 Conservative Conference. Thank you, Conference. 138 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:47,280 Thank you. Conservatives love Manchester, 139 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,440 it is a great city. Of. 140 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:56,360 Free trade and free thinking. 240 years ago, in the 1780s, 141 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,520 this was still a small market town, but something was 142 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:05,480 stirring, a spirit of enterprise that would turn Manchester into 143 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:11,400 a global economic powerhouse. And it was back in the 1780s 144 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,360 that the very first Jewish community was established in 145 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,920 this city, a small group of families worshipping in a rented 146 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,280 room in a back alley just a short walk from where I am 147 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,600 standing. And right from the very start, 148 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,520 Jewish people have been part of the fabric of Manchester. 149 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,320 They've been adding their distinct, unique contribution to 150 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,160 this fantastic city while at the same time embracing Britain as 151 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,480 their home. The horrific and despicable 152 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,520 attack at Heaton Park Synagogue on Thursday has shocked us all. 153 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:04,080 But for many in the Jewish community it did not come as a 154 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,240 surprise. Many have been living with a 155 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,400 sense of rising dread that an attack like this was becoming 156 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,320 inevitable. Yesterday I met members of the 157 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,040 congregation and visited the site of the attack. 158 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,960 The strength of Manchester's Jewish community is humbling, 159 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,400 targeting the centre of community life on the holiest 160 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,960 day of the year. Was not just an attack on 161 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,400 British Jews, it was an attack on all of us. 162 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:38,280 It was an attack on the idea that Britain is a safe place for 163 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Jews. On Yom Kippur, the Day of 164 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,720 Atonement, Jews take time for introspection, to ask themselves 165 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,360 where have we gone wrong in the past and what do we need to do 166 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:54,960 to be better in the future? These are questions we urgently 167 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,320 need to ask ourselves as a nation. 168 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:03,640 Extremism has gone unchecked. You see it manifest in the 169 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,240 shameful behaviour on the streets of our cities, protests 170 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,800 which are in fact carnivals of hatred directed at the Jewish 171 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:20,000 homeland. Well, that that was a very short 172 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,480 excerpt from what Bananock had to say. 173 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:28,040 And essentially the nation got a lecture which was everything to 174 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,840 do with matters Jewish. Now, my personal opinion of this 175 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,680 is that if she'd started out with a minute's silence for the 176 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,480 for, for the attack on the synagogue and the people killed, 177 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,440 that would have been an appropriate statement to give 178 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,760 over the feeling of human sympathy for the event, to make 179 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,680 it known that the Conservative Party was feeling for the Jewish 180 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:55,080 community. But in fact, she gave the 181 00:11:55,080 --> 00:12:00,840 audience and the country at at large a lecture about the fact 182 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,360 that it was the Jewish community that had set up Manchester. 183 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,240 That's effectively what the message was. 184 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:11,840 This this then I found just incredible that the party should 185 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,880 focus in nothing about the state of the nation, nothing about 186 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,560 what's happening to many, many other people in the UK, nothing 187 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:21,480 about the people killed overseas. 188 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,400 This was just simply a political statement in support of the 189 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,440 Zionist government as the start of the of the Conservative 190 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,560 Conference. So we must move on from that. 191 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:37,800 But people can go online and see the full clip. 192 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:43,280 Now let's compare it with Owen Jones, who we do not always see 193 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,600 eye to eye with, but he was at the Labour Party conference and 194 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,440 he challenged Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper. 195 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,480 Let's have a little look at this clip. 196 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,200 But it means the Labour Party's official position is that Israel 197 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,280 is committing genocide. And that's quite an odd 198 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,080 situation to be in where the Labour Party officially says 199 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,160 it's genocide as democratic side about its members whilst the 200 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,360 government continues to arm and. Facilitate it? 201 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:11,960 I want to see what. People think about that. 202 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,440 Yvette, the UN Commission, the independent Commission says 203 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,240 genocide has been committed. You're still arming the 204 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,080 genocide. There is a really important 205 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,640 peace process and set of discussions that are underway at 206 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,120 the moment, which is all about trying to get a ceasefire, the 207 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:33,560 release of all the hostages and also the return of humanitarian 208 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:35,160 aid. You're supplying the components 209 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,840 to F35 jets which are bombing children in Gaza. 210 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,920 We've had discussions at the UN General Assembly involving the 211 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,920 recognition, the historic recognition. 212 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:51,960 Now in fact, Owen Jones followed Yvette Cooper for several more 213 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,560 minutes. She would not address the issue. 214 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:58,600 The Labour Party had just admitted in conference that 215 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,520 Israel was guilty of genocide. And yet when he pressed her on 216 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,600 the fact that UK is still pumping in the arms for Israel 217 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,080 to use, the Foreign Secretary wouldn't engage. 218 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,600 So essentially we're now living in a country where the 219 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,040 government says you must not criticise the Zionist state, you 220 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,400 must not criticise the UK government's support of that 221 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,080 state. And even the Conservatives as an 222 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,400 opposition party clearly have an agenda which is more important 223 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,280 than looking after the people in this country. 224 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,280 So how can we really emphasise what's going on here and why we 225 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,600 need to look deeper? Well let's jump back to 2023 226 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,480 when the Guardian had this report. 227 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,360 It was talking about right wing personalities using X to bring 228 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,800 anti-Semitic theories to light in the US. 229 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,480 I'll just bring it a bit of text over this because this article, 230 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,400 when you got into it, suddenly started about talking, sorry, 231 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,360 suddenly started talking about the global project on hate and 232 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,200 extremism. And suddenly we're told that 233 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:10,440 this organization is capable of influencing how Twitter was 234 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,600 censoring reports. And it's said here that 235 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,840 following the report's publication that's by GPAHE, 236 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:24,040 3031 Generation of Identity accounts were suspended, 237 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,120 although 26 were reinstated. What point am I making here? 238 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,760 I'm talking about the immense power and indeed money behind 239 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:38,080 organisations protecting the reputation of the Zionist 240 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,080 government. Now if we look at the 241 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,240 organization itself, Global Project Against Satan Extremism, 242 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,400 this is their website. But if I come in on to the two 243 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:55,440 key women involved, we've got Wendy Vier and Heidi Bierick. 244 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,960 If we just have a look at the first lady, Wendy, you haven't 245 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,240 got to read all of this. We're just putting this up on 246 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,040 screen. But the first thing you can see 247 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,960 is huge engagement with the world media, The Guardian, The 248 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,480 New York Times, Wired, NBC News, BBC, etcetera. 249 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,840 But what you really need to understand is that this lady 250 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,160 comes from the Southern Poverty Law Centre. 251 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,360 Why is that of interest? All you'll see in just a moment. 252 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:28,600 Here's her colleague Heidi. Let's bring her CV summary up on 253 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,360 the screen. And again, you can see the power 254 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,320 in the media as an influencer with the New York Times, 255 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,240 Washington Post, Austin Globe, Guardian, BBC, Wired, Financial 256 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,960 Times. But if we get into the depths of 257 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,520 it, she's also formerly the Southern Poverty Law Centre. 258 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,480 And if we look at that organization itself, which says 259 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,680 it is there particularly targeting anti-Semitism, well, 260 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,960 this is the killer because this organization is dealing in huge 261 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,640 amounts of money. It has the facilities in an 262 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:08,359 endowment of 822 million as a conservative online figure. 263 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,400 So immense power driving the agenda as to what we can and 264 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,720 cannot criticize. But it's very clear from really 265 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:22,079 the last few days that both the Labour government and the 266 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,160 Conservative opposition are going down the lines that thou 267 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,240 shalt not criticize the Zionist state. 268 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,240 Over to you, man. Thank you, Brian. 269 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,480 Good afternoon, everybody. We're going to have a little 270 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:40,720 look at the state of Muslim Jewish relations in the UK, 271 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:45,680 which based on the introduction to the news today, one might 272 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,320 assume they're quite fragile. But actually I think they might 273 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,720 be more robust than people realise if we look behind the 274 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,440 scenes. And we're going to focus in 275 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,920 immediately on the new, relatively new president of the 276 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,560 Board of Deputies of British Jews. 277 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:08,000 This is Phil Rosenberg, a youthful 38 year old and he was 278 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,080 when he was elected in as president in May last year and 279 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,880 he is now running the centuries old Board of Deputies is the 280 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,600 oldest Jewish community group established in 1760, which very 281 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,480 proudly presents itself as the voice of British Jews. 282 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,520 So Phil Rosenberg there is now the voice of British Jews and he 283 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,600 told Jewish News in this article. 284 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,040 Provide a link to it, as ever, that he hopes to become a 285 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,360 unifying figure for the community in this country while 286 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:39,480 also becoming a leader who in the aftermath of the 7th of 287 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,440 October, can build bridges outside of the Jewish community. 288 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,160 Importantly, and come back to Mr. Rosenberg later. 289 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,400 But one of the key initiatives that he's been progressing, we 290 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,560 particularly progressed at the start of this year, was this, 291 00:18:54,920 --> 00:19:00,240 which is the Drum Lanrigg Accords, the Muslim Jewish 292 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,240 Reconciliation Accords, a framework for reconciliation, 293 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:09,800 understanding and solidarity. And this was quite an incredible 294 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,000 undertaking. It was agreed and signed at the 295 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,840 Drumland Rig Castle in Scotland back in January this year. 296 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,880 This castle is owned by Richard Scott, 10th Duke, 10th Duke of 297 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,280 Bucklew and also the 12th Duke of Queensbury. 298 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,960 It's quite an esteemed chap and also he was up until very 299 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,440 recently the largest private landowner in Scotland, owning 300 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:39,560 217,000 acres. And they gathered together in 301 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,280 this castle a number of senior clerics and community leaders 302 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,280 from the Jewish and the Muslim community in the UK. 303 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,000 And there was much convening and much discussion. 304 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,400 And I will read out some of the accords. 305 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,800 Actually, I think this is very interesting and important for us 306 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,960 to understand. So they say that Muslim and 307 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:03,240 Jewish communities around the world share a profound spiritual 308 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,840 heritage. Both traditions are rooted in 309 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,440 monotheism, the sanctity of life, and a commitment to 310 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,480 justice. Global tensions, particularly in 311 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,400 the Middle East, often strain relationships between these two 312 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,640 communities, leading to misunderstandings and fractures 313 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,400 at a local level. In times of crisis, these 314 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,000 fractures can deepen, escalating Islamophobia, anti-Semitism and 315 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,800 societal polarisation. Such tensions do not occur in 316 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,280 isolation. They impact daily life on our 317 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,640 streets and online. This includes instances in which 318 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,520 children face bullying in school, students encounter 319 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,280 hostility on campuses, and individuals and communities feel 320 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:47,160 isolated, mistrusted and afraid. This underscores the urgent need 321 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,760 for sustained dialogue, mutual understanding and practical 322 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,000 collaboration. And the basis for reconciliation 323 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,640 and mutual respect exists within both Jewish and Islamic sacred 324 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,040 texts. Importantly, they route this 325 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,680 into the sacred text all the way through with reference to the 326 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,160 Torah, to the Mishnah, Talmud and also to the Koran. 327 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,360 There are a bunch of things agreed out of this. 328 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:11,680 So they established some foundational principles for 329 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,280 reconciliation, talking about unity and diversity, sacred 330 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,640 texts as a guide, commitment to non harm, recognizing the impact 331 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,600 of global crises. They're also establishing mutual 332 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,600 commitments, respect and reconciliation, education and 333 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,320 awareness, safe spaces for worship and reflection, shared 334 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,560 civic responsibility, crisis response and advocacy. 335 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,120 And this was signed by quite an amazing group. 336 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:39,520 Price. We've just seen the image of 337 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:40,600 them. They're sitting together. 338 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,560 But we have from the Muslim community the chief Imam Dr. 339 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,120 Syed Razawi, who's a Shia Muslim, the senior Imam Khari 340 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:53,280 Aseem NBE, who is Sunni, Imam Sheikh Mohammed Ishmael who is 341 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,760 Sunni Hed Imam Dr. Sheikh Khalifa Azad Sunni. 342 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,480 Now Shaddivrav, who is president of His Highness the Aga Khan 343 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,840 National Council for the UK and also His Excellency Kinana 344 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:12,280 Jamaluddin by Sahib, who is Bora, which is another Muslim 345 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,480 sectors. I understand it. 346 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:19,280 And on the Jewish side we have Chief Rabbi Sir Efrain Mervis 347 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,560 KBE, who is actually now being presented as the chief rabbi for 348 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,880 the whole of the Commonwealth, not just the UK. 349 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,600 So he's got this kind of imperial remit which is 350 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,240 ultimately what the Commonwealth is. 351 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,880 It's the the former colonies also have Rabbi Josh Levy from 352 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,640 Reform duties and Rabbi Charlie Baginski from Liberal Judaism, 353 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,320 Senior Rabbi Jonathan Wittenberg OBE Masotti, Senior Rabbi Joseph 354 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:48,320 Dweck Safari, and Senior Rabbi Elshanon Feldman, Orthodox 355 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,800 Jewish, representing the Jewish community there. 356 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,120 And they were very pleased with themselves for the agreement 357 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:57,440 that they made, as they well should be. 358 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,840 They made some commitments to practical implementation to 359 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,720 establish a Muslim Jewish Leadership Council, an 360 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,160 educational collaboration committee, civic engagement and 361 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,720 joint charitable projects to work on university and campus 362 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,800 outreach together, Religious freedoms Committee. 363 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:17,120 And they're also committed to moving forward in solidarity. 364 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,760 And they say that these accords lay the foundation for a 365 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,200 transformative relationship between the Jewish and Muslim 366 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,200 communities here in the UK. Quite a big deal there. 367 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,440 And we haven't seen a lot of mainstream media about. 368 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,320 This. I've not seen anything about it 369 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,400 at all. The public is being fed all the 370 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,920 strife and the supposed division. 371 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,840 Meanwhile, behind the scenes, it's fine wine and dining in 372 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,440 order to set up this, whatever we call it, memorandum of 373 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,520 understanding. Some. 374 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,680 Of this, Yeah. I mean, that's quite a profound 375 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,000 statement by quite a significant bunch of men. 376 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,200 Yeah. And. 377 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,480 And who else was there? Obviously Charles the King, He 378 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,480 was there. This is exactly his sort of 379 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,120 things and the defender of faith. 380 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,840 There he is. I'm looking very carefully. 381 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,720 Is he where wearing a kipper is that? 382 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,720 No, no, that's a reflect. It's a reflection in the mirror. 383 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,720 It's a good question because I thought that too. 384 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,840 Initially, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 385 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:12,920 So, and this is obviously playing out right. 386 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,240 So this is having an impact on society. 387 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,840 You know, we, we, we've, as we've talked about, there are 388 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,600 things going on in in the Middle East at the moment in Gaza that 389 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,000 often does get presented as a kind of Jew versus Muslim issue. 390 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,640 But actually many Palestinians are Christians, many 391 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,160 Palestinians are atheists. It's not just about Islam. 392 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,280 Ultimately it's, it's a much broader issue than that. 393 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,680 But we did in Manchester last week see an attack on a 394 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,600 synagogue by what is ostensibly an Islamic terrorist, a man 395 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,800 named Jihad, quite literally, right. 396 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,200 So there are there are bad things playing out at a ground 397 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,960 level. But then as we say, these things 398 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,120 are going on behind the scenes and we've seen in response to 399 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:59,080 attack in Manchester last week, phenomenal level of 400 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,880 collaboration actually already here between the Jewish and the 401 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,440 Muslim community because we've got Shabana Mahmoud who was 402 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,960 sworn in as home secretary on a Quran. 403 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,800 She is Muslim at the Community Security Trust, the CST, the 404 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,640 charity that protects British Jews from terrorism and 405 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,160 anti-Semitism, with Keir Starmer, whose wife is Jewish, 406 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,640 talking about the measures that would need to be taken in the 407 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,360 wake of the attacks. We've already seen over the 408 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:28,360 weekend some new restrictions being put in place on repeated 409 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:32,000 protests, which are going to be introduced with police being 410 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,680 being given fresh powers. And actually, we've got a little 411 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,520 video clip from the home secretary explaining what that 412 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:43,280 means. The strengthening of the 413 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,960 legislation that I'm going to bring about is based on the 414 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,160 ability of the police to place conditions and restrictions on 415 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,680 protests. And what I will be making 416 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,560 explicit is that cumulative disruption, that is to say, the 417 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,240 frequency of particular protests in particular places is in a in 418 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,040 and of itself a reason for the police to be able to restrict 419 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,040 and place conditions. That is to say, they can move 420 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,080 them to a different place. They can restrict the time that 421 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,480 those protests can occur on. So that will unlock all of the 422 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,320 broader measures that the police can already do on on, on 423 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,680 protests. It's been clear to me in 424 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,240 conversations in the last couple of days that there is a gap in 425 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,080 the law and there is an inconsistency of practice. 426 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,520 So I'll be taking measures immediately to put that right. 427 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,800 And I will be reviewing our wider OK protest legislation as 428 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,160 well to make sure the arrangements we have can meet 429 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,680 the scale of the challenge that we face, which is protecting the 430 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,960 right to protest but ensuring that our communities can go 431 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,880 about their daily business without feeling intimidated and 432 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,800 also that public order can be maintained. 433 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,000 So fascinating Bennett's protecting the right to protest 434 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,960 as long as your protest is permitted by the government and 435 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,960 effectively you are saying all the things which the government 436 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,440 is going to allow you to say. But if you dare challenge the 437 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,840 government, particularly on matters to do with the state of 438 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,200 Israel, then they're going to come in very hard. 439 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:17,480 And although we haven't got time in today's news, what is being 440 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,840 set up of course fits very well with the policies over 441 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,360 migration. So we're creating more state 442 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:31,080 assets to deal with people in large numbers that the 443 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,280 government is going to remove. So there's some very, very 444 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,440 dangerous things happening under the surface, but luckily we can 445 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,680 see them. Yes, well, luckily, yeah. 446 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,800 They protecting the right to protest by restricting the right 447 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,000 to process. It's like censoring speech to 448 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,280 protect speech. It's it's the same, same 449 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,280 nonsense. You say the right things, you've 450 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,080 got nothing to fear but. Yes, absolutely. 451 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,320 And I think we know which kind of protests are going to be 452 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,040 cracking down on, right, which is the the ones that as you say 453 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,360 that they don't like. So anything that is anti 454 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,480 Zionist, pro Palestine and also the people outside the hotels 455 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,160 protesting about migrants, I think those are the ones that 456 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,040 really going to be pushed back on, unfortunately. 457 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,440 And this aligns very, very, very neatly. 458 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,960 I'm sure it's just a complete coincidence with this statement 459 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,520 that came from the Board of Deputies over the weekend 460 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:26,200 calling for more than 400 protest terror arrests to also 461 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,600 be investigated for stirring up racial hatred. 462 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,600 So it's not just enough that you've been arrested for 463 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,480 supposedly terror offences, we've also got to come in hard 464 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,680 on you as a racist. We're going to throw the book at 465 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,120 you, right? So this is what the Board of 466 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,200 Deputies is looking for. This is what the home secretary 467 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,040 is delivering, not necessarily just for the Board of Deputies, 468 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,560 but they are very closely aligned. 469 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,160 Over the weekend, this was so this coming thick and fast at 470 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,360 the moment. So this was also on on Sunday, 471 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,600 we saw a another protest. So I think we had Trafalgar 472 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,200 Square on Saturday, Palestine protests, and then on Sunday we 473 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,040 had the commemorative event honouring the lives of those 474 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,960 lost on the 7th of October 2023, calling for the release of the 475 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,120 hostages. And we've got a short clip of 476 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,840 Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mervis speaking at that event. 477 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,520 Today we remember the determination of the Jewish 478 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:24,000 people, despite everything that has happened, that we will 479 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,800 guarantee, with the help of Almighty God, that. 480 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,360 I'm Yisrael Thai. We as a nation will continue to 481 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,680 live on, and to live on in even greater strength in the future. 482 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:46,760 Today we remember. All subsequent atrocities since 483 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,840 that original 7th of October day. 484 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:56,000 On Friday, Valerie and I spent the day in Manchester with a 485 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,800 grieving community. We came to give strength, but we 486 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,960 emerged strengthened. What a remarkable community it 487 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,920 is, their tenacity, their resilience. 488 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,200 And hasn't this been the story of the Jewish people over the 489 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,000 past two years? We will definitely emerge 490 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,520 stronger. And with the help of God, I'm 491 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,760 Israel Kai, the Jewish people will live on and thrive for all 492 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:32,000 time. Just one point to make that if 493 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,840 he's passionate, we may or may not agree with what what he's 494 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,400 saying, but if we we accept that the man is passionate, it's 495 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,320 certainly something that is in contrast to the Archbishop of 496 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,800 Canterbury's delivery over the last few years. 497 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,640 We will see what the new incumbent has to say. 498 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,680 I don't suppose much will change. 499 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,560 But no, he was talking about the atrocity of October the 7th and 500 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,840 then all subsequent atrocities, none of which relate to what 501 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,280 we've been watching happening in in Gaza, as far as I could tell. 502 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,120 And he was talking about what happened last week, wasn't 503 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,280 talking about the 10s, potentially hundreds of 504 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,120 thousands of people that have been killed in Gaza by the 505 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,520 Israeli military over the past two years, Right. 506 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,120 So very clear set of priorities there from the from the chief 507 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,760 rather, I suppose as we should expect ultimately and just to 508 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,760 kind of draw us back into this sort of very interesting 509 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,040 interrelationship between the Jewish and the Muslim community 510 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,560 in the country. One of the one of many 511 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,920 organisations who helped to fund and organise that event is this 512 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,000 one, which Brian will be very familiar with. 513 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,040 This is the Peers Foundation. You can just see them tucked 514 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,080 away in the bottom there. And actually just having talked 515 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,680 about the Drum Ranri Records, which got signed back in 516 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,720 January, this report, the Commission into countering 517 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,240 online conspiracies in schools was issued in February, which 518 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,520 may or may not have been influenced by that. 519 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,880 I'm guessing that it might be, you know, it's likely that it 520 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,920 was, to be honest, is a very small group of people who are 521 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,680 very intimately connected with each other. 522 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,720 And this was a collaboration between Sir Trevor Pairs, who is 523 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,480 a Jewish gentleman, and Sir Mufti Hamid Patel CBE, who is 524 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,480 then subsequently gone on to become the interim chair of 525 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,840 Ofsted. Yeah. 526 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,240 So this again, aligns very neatly to that agreement that 527 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,800 we've described between these two groups. 528 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,520 I think that's that's quite interesting. 529 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,920 And that's happening at A at a UK level, as we talked about, 530 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,640 but also really importantly, at a global level as well. 531 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,800 And I'll just draw your attention to this organization. 532 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,080 This is the World Jewish Congress, which is an 533 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,120 International Federation of Jewish communities and 534 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,120 organisations founded in 1936, which describes itself as the 535 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,080 diplomatic arm of the Jewish people. 536 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,560 We'll put a link to the website. You can go and have a little 537 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,560 look. This is the website page and you 538 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,040 can see there the president gentleman called Ron Lauder from 539 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:59,680 the SD Lauder Dynasty, and he's on the executive committee with 540 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,360 Phil Rosenberg from the Board of British Deputies, Board of 541 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,320 Deputies of British Jews. She links us right back into 542 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,200 where we were at the start of this. 543 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,680 And just last week over in New York at the UN General Assembly, 544 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,040 Ron Lauder was very happy to put this post up, talking about 545 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,680 having the opportunity to have a first meeting with Syria's 546 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,480 President Ahmed Al Sharar on the sidelines of last week's UNGA, 547 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,480 very positive discussion about normalisation between Israel and 548 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,480 Syria. And regular viewers of the UK 549 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,400 column will know that the the Syrian currency president is 550 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,840 actually a former al Qaeda leader. 551 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,800 And we've reported on that extensively, including in this 552 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,600 excellent article by by Vanessa Bailey, which came out in 553 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,720 August, which I think puts a rather interesting and 554 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,480 potentially quite concerning spin on the relationship between 555 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,960 Israel and Syria and then also between the Jewish and the 556 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,960 Muslim communities that could potentially be playing out here 557 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,480 in the UK. Excellent, one more image to 558 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,960 bring on screen. Oh yes, Mr. Rosenberg, let's 559 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,360 bring him back and see how it goes for Phil Rosenberg, the new 560 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,480 voice of British Jews. Ben, thank you very much for 561 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,000 that analysis. Now obviously this is UK column 562 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,320 news, so we can't spend huge amounts of time on this subject, 563 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,400 but clearly there are lots and lots of questions to be asked 564 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,600 and we would like to thank the members of the Jewish community 565 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,719 who are now speaking to the UK Column to express their 566 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,960 concerns. 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You may be staying at different 596 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,800 hotels, but if you're local and you're coming to this event, 597 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,600 please can you come in on Friday, the 17th of October 598 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:40,400 between about 6:00 and 8:30 in the evening to register because 599 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,560 this will help us take pressure off getting people through the 600 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,200 doors and into the actual conference hall itself on the 601 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,280 Saturday morning. Plus, if you're there on Friday, 602 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,640 you can come and talk to the team and we'd love to see you. 603 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,920 Now, just a few words about UK column material. 604 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,840 We've got the German warfare edition going out tonight at 605 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,120 7:00 PM. He's going to be talking from in 606 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,040 China with Carl Zoa. And this is Part 2. 607 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,400 So I'm sure that's going to be very interesting. 608 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:15,920 And Sandy, let's bring you in here because we've got the 609 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,320 interview here with Doctor Noel McRae. 610 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,480 Yes, thank you, Brian. Yes, I, I interviewed Nile 611 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,400 McRae, doctor Nile McRae last week and it's going out 612 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,120 tomorrow, I believe. Was it today? 613 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,200 Can't remember. Oh, it's tomorrow at 1:00 PM. 614 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:38,680 Tomorrow at. 1:00 PM Yeah, and he's a it was a really good 615 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,960 conversation about the the deception of climate change. 616 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,640 And we discussed one of his many books, but the one that we 617 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:51,040 discussed was Green in Tooth and Claw, which is a fantastic dive 618 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,080 into the deception of climate change. 619 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,920 So if you really want to get in on the argument, then do TuneIn 620 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,720 and and and learn learn a little bit too. 621 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,120 Thank you. Excellent, Sandy. 622 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,760 Now your key segment for today is on the subject of drones in 623 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,400 Somerset. People will be saying, well, how 624 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,880 does this fit into the rest of the news? 625 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,160 We're going to we're going to try and show people some of the 626 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,160 linkage, but take us into what's happening with Somerset, the 627 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,920 Somerset Levels and drones. Well, um, this is not just kind 628 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,000 of, um, Somerset specific because I think this is, this is 629 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,920 part of a bigger project that's being, uh, rolled out really 630 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,320 across the UK. And as we know, Deloitte, um, 631 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,640 did, uh, put out a few months ago that they, they're going to 632 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,560 have their, their, their, their aim is to have 900,000 drones 633 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,920 across the UK between 2030 and onwards. 634 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,280 So, yeah, the, the, this is from the, the Country Gazette in 635 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:57,280 Somerset and the, the Somerset Council have been been given an 636 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:03,560 award of 191,370 lbs. And this project, this, this 637 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,720 money comes from the Future Flight Regional Demonstration 638 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,280 Fund and they call it Project Rescue. 639 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,760 Now this is the, this is the acronym for the Resilience and 640 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,000 Emergency Services coordination using enabled drones. 641 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,960 And that that actually equates to rescued. 642 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,840 The project will also bring together local emergency 643 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,000 services, resilience teams, government agencies and drone 644 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,920 service operators to develop the case for adopting the scheme in 645 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,800 Somerset. Now in 2015, Sorry, yeah, it was 646 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,200 20. Was it 2015? 647 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,200 Yes, it was 2015. We had 14. 648 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,480 We had a massive flood in Somerset and we have here a 649 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,320 company called Horizon 51 and they put drones across Somerset, 650 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,600 but it was purely photography. This is a different kind of 651 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,600 exercise they're using over Somerset. 652 00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:00,120 And in my I believe it's, it's to normalise the use of drones 653 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,120 because as we know they're, they're, they're, they've, 654 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,280 they're priming the Somerset people for major flooding this 655 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,240 year. And a lot of that is to do with 656 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,640 the fact that they've, they've actually the Environment Agency 657 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,320 are not maintaining the reins and the ditches and the pumping 658 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,640 stations and the culverts. They've been told they haven't 659 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,280 got the money to do that and that we in Somerset have to get 660 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,560 used to the fact that we are going to flood and they've got. 661 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,080 Flood wardens and they've got lots of pamphlets they're 662 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,880 putting through doors about resilience, but all this could 663 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,720 be avoided if they were to actually maintain the means for 664 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:38,560 which it is built for it not to flood. 665 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,680 So unfortunately, I think this is an exercise in in getting us 666 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,480 used, you know, to, to all these drones in the sky. 667 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,120 So I'm going to look at the, the, the funding given to the, 668 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,960 to the, the future flight regional demonstration fund 669 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,840 comes from the governments innovation funding organization 670 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,600 Innovate. Um, and you know, the innovate 671 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,520 really is about inspiring innovation in the UK And, uh, 672 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,160 we'll just look at some of the, the things that they're actually 673 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,320 funding. Can we take, Yeah, the next 674 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,680 slide? Um, it's, you know, the future 675 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,440 of indoor farming and they've, they've got a thing here that's 676 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,440 all about, you know, the mindset of, of, of winning at war. 677 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,120 And then you've got, you've got apply for your funding. 678 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,000 So they, they will fund anyone who's got big innovation ideas. 679 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,200 Now, one of those companies is a company called Limacero and they 680 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,920 are a data collection company. They're a drone company. 681 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,480 Um, now they're called they're pioneering solar powered fixed 682 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,960 wing drones capable of flying long distances and uh. 683 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,600 There's a, there's also the, uh, Somerset based land and minerals 684 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:54,240 consulting company, which again, all of this is big money into 685 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:58,240 these, these, these companies and they're funded by, by all 686 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:02,920 sorts of stakeholders. And then one of the other 687 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:07,320 companies is the Southwest Future Flight Innovation Zone. 688 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:12,600 Now I've got a little bit, they are sort of they've got lots of 689 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,880 stakeholders and partners. Now they are based in Yeovil and 690 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,280 they, they're working alongside Leonardo, which was the, the, 691 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,440 the big helicopter factory, which used to be called Westland 692 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,880 in, in the West Country. So we have a video now of the 693 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,440 the future Aviation test zone, the heart of Southwest. 694 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,240 So the future aerospace test environment is a test and 695 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:51,520 demonstration zone for low carbon aviation in the heart of 696 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,400 the southwest of England. So in effect it is a living 697 00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:00,120 laboratory for the aviation industry to develop low carbon 698 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,600 aircraft technology, for example from the electric fueled or 699 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,840 hydrogen fueled or maybe unmanned vehicles such as 700 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,080 drones. Key thing about the Southwest is 701 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,840 it's the second biggest aerospace cluster in Europe. 702 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,040 We have the capability of building whole aircraft with 703 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,920 Leonardo helicopters and we have a fantastic opportunity in terms 704 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,080 of design, manufacture, test and maintenance repair in the 705 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,320 Southwest. So as a region, we're actually 706 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,720 quite unique. I know I speak for all of the 707 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:37,680 employees here when we're very proud that we've got a very long 708 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,480 manufacturing history here, over 100 years. 709 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,920 And we're very proud that we consider ourselves the home of 710 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,600 British helicopters. And it's exciting for us 711 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,560 therefore, that we're sat here this morning in IRA, which we 712 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,560 very much see as the next chapter of that history for us. 713 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,120 So what we want to do here is allow this to be a free space, A 714 00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,080 sandbox for creativity, to allow us to have all of those 715 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,120 different parties come together. In November 2021 at Centre Line 716 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,520 Bristol, we equipped our latest generation military helicopter, 717 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,040 the AW149, with a blend of sustainable aviation fuel. 718 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:16,000 The capability is now there and not only on the AW149 but across 719 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,040 the entire Leonardo helicopter fleet. 720 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,840 That's enabling our operators to make greener choices for future 721 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,440 flights. So the G7 Summit was held, was 722 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,600 held last year and we were able to support that operation down 723 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,240 in Newquay by having the Ospreys based here. 724 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,680 They were here for a week and they were supporting the US 725 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:41,120 President. So these are these are very, 726 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:46,040 very big, quite advanced drones they're using and developing in 727 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,280 Somerset. And I think this is an exercise 728 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,160 really, it's the perfect place to trial it all and get ready 729 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,880 for the the big drone roll out that Deloitte have in mind. 730 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,040 Now we have the Councillor Mike Rigby from Somerset Council's 731 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:06,080 lead and he's, he's, he's, he says the potential for drones is 732 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,320 exciting and shows that Somerset is the forefront of imaginative 733 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,680 and innovative, innovative solutions to real problems that 734 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,480 affect our communities. I'm delighted that Innovate UK 735 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,160 is showing faith in our county through this funding. 736 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,360 We've demonstrated clearly that Summitset can lead the way in 737 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,200 the future of flight with Iero. That's another company they're 738 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,280 using so that. He's also said Somerset suffered 739 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,240 devastating floods more than 10 years ago, leaving communities 740 00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:34,040 maroon, homes underwater and farmland swamped. 741 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,200 The economic costs were up to 147.5 million, but the cost in 742 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,360 human terms were immeasurable. It's going to happen again, you 743 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,840 know, and, and it's, I think it's a deliberate flooding. 744 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,120 They also he. There was also a quote from 745 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:52,240 Aviation Minister Keir Keir Mather. 746 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,760 Now you'd be forgiven. I think we have a oh, sorry, 747 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,440 that's, that's that slide is just what I've said. 748 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,040 So it's just a, it's just a little text slide. 749 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,440 Yeah. We've got Kier Mather here now. 750 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,160 He is one of the youngest members of Parliament. 751 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,720 He you could be forgiven. I mean, that suit looks a little 752 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:14,360 bit big for him. He looks about 12, bless him, 753 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,480 but he's not. He's 20. 754 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:21,160 He was 25 when he won the Selby election and he is now the 755 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,680 Minister for Transport, so he also has he's a Minister for 756 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,840 Aviation as well. And umm. 757 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,560 He said investing in emerging technologies like drones and 758 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,560 unmanned aircraft is key to build a greener and more 759 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,560 efficient transport system. But this isn't just good news 760 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,960 for the environment. This tech will also save our 761 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,200 public sector and businesses valuable time in cash while 762 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,360 helping to boost skills and support for high quality jobs 763 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,760 across the country. And it's interesting. 764 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,880 Now I've, I've done a bit of a dive into Mather and he's 765 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,720 incredibly young to be a minister of, of transport. 766 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,280 And it looks as though that some of these young candidates are 767 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,720 groomed through the elite universities, think tanks and 768 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:07,560 lobbying circles rather than trade unions or local activism, 769 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,360 which is the way they used to get recruited. 770 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,920 They, you know, they're, they're kind of put on a trajectory, a 771 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,160 sort of rapid, rapid advancement due to ideological reliability 772 00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:19,720 obviously in networking within the central party machine. 773 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,440 It's a shift in Labour's recruitment from grassroots sort 774 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,360 of messaging to technocratic management and messaging with 775 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,000 them, with them. It's kind of in line with the 776 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,680 post Blair professional politician model. 777 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,720 So as of September 2025, he's parliamentary Under Secretary of 778 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,560 State in the Department for Transport. 779 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,640 So he has all the, you know, he's going to be in charge of 780 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,920 all these drones over over the UK. 781 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,120 In that role, his responsibilities include 782 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,520 oversight of aviation, maritime affairs, decarbonisation, 783 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,600 electric vehicles, freight and borders. 784 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,880 And before this appointment, he served as an assistant whip in 785 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,920 the House of Commons. He was active in Labour students 786 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,760 and the Oxford University Labour Club. 787 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:09,880 But he also was a, he was, he worked with W Streeting before 788 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,640 he was elected. And so he's been very, very well 789 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,200 taught by West Streeting about what, what it's all about. 790 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,360 So that's, that's really what Mather seems to be about. 791 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,280 And he's so young. I'm, I, you know, you can see 792 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,960 that he's been absolutely put there for a purpose. 793 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,720 He'll probably be Prime Minister one day. 794 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,040 Sandy, thank you very much for that. 795 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,880 Really it's it's quite unpleasant to think of the skies 796 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,200 covered in drones, whatever else we have to put up with. 797 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,120 But of course, this is policy that's coming from somewhere. 798 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,640 So where does the policy come from? 799 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,120 What type of people are pushing the policy for all of the drone 800 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,840 technology, the AI technology, the transformational technology? 801 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,480 Well, of course, absolutely. At the top of the tree is Tony 802 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,560 Blair. Let's have a look at this little 803 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,480 clip where he's talking about AI coming into government. 804 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,600 We could have chosen another clip where he was talking about 805 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,560 transforming governments by new agenda, but this particular one 806 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:14,560 he's into AI. The world is just beginning a 807 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,680 revolution in the way in which identity is secured and trusted. 808 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,960 Identity is 2 things. It's a set of facts about you, 809 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,320 and it's the process of ensuring that you are the human being who 810 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,560 owns those facts. And in trusted wallets, we can 811 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,520 put trusted information, things like our passport, our driving 812 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,400 license, education information, employment information, health 813 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,920 information, to enable me to prove not just who I am, but 814 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,920 things about myself that enable me to instantly access services. 815 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,480 Imagine the ability to deliver money and aid in places where 816 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,760 they weren't able to do that fairly and equitably. 817 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,000 Those things are quite extraordinary. 818 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,760 I think the opportunity for the UK to adopt digital identity is 819 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,000 enormous. I think it can drive 820 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,360 efficiencies in government. If we can have digital identity 821 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,800 and financial services, it provides opportunity to provide 822 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,720 better customer experience, produce fraud, provide real 823 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,800 efficiency. I think there's opportunity in 824 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,080 the education system. I think there's opportunities in 825 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,200 travel. When the Internet was first 826 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,400 built, it wasn't built with an identity layer. 827 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,920 This is our new chance of getting it. 828 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,600 Right. Digital identity is essential. 829 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,320 We need government to get behind it, put the regulation in place 830 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,840 and to really drive the adoption of it and support the 831 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,720 development of digital identity in the UK. 832 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,000 Must apologise there. That wasn't the video with Tony 833 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,360 Blair. We will show that now, but just 834 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,360 to comment on the video that's just streamed, this is a video, 835 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,760 of course, telling you what's happening behind the scenes with 836 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,640 governments, particularly in relation to UK. 837 00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:01,200 And note, we have an Australian banker, the lady talking about 838 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,640 what she thinks is best for UK. So we're now into the 839 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,920 transnational agenda. We're into bankers deciding 840 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,400 what's good for us and what's good for us is to transform 841 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,760 national government and to bring in AI because at the end of the 842 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,160 day, we're just stupid little people that can't manage 843 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,480 ourselves. So on top of that clip talking 844 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,920 about the wider transformational change, let's have a listen to 845 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:34,040 Tony Blair talking about AI. Great to see so many of you 846 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,640 here. Thank you for joining us decided 847 00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:39,520 despite it being lunchtime. And thank you 2 for being here 848 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,000 today and such an exciting panel about how AI can make government 849 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,400 better. Now, you've both talked a lot 850 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,640 about the potential of AI and how it'll empower citizens and 851 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:55,960 make government more functional. Let's cut the buzzwords and the 852 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,200 jargon. I really want to know what this 853 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,400 actually means. Now, Mr. Blair, over to you. 854 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,960 How would you? How could AI make government 855 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,160 better? What does that mean? 856 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,520 How does AI make government better? 857 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,480 Because it allows you, number one, to transform the process of 858 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,240 government and #2 to transform public services for which 859 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:20,720 government's responsible. So no, it's absolutely 860 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:24,560 transformative. And look, I I am, I'm not an 861 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,400 expert on AI, But when I stand back and I look at what it's 862 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,600 doing, I think we're in the foothills of the most 863 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,040 transformative revolution since the Industrial revolution of the 864 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,080 19th century. And but concretely, how is it 865 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,720 going to change things? Well, for example, government's 866 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:45,360 all about process. So you can use AI to speed up 867 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,720 the processes of government. You could use it for everything 868 00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:51,840 from making sure that you do, for example, all the routine 869 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,960 jobs of government much more efficiently. 870 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,640 You could be responding to people in a much more sensitive, 871 00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,760 faster, better, more efficient way. 872 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,480 If, for example, you're able to merge data sets across 873 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,400 departments, you're going to save money. 874 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,680 You're going to better analyse, for example, your health data in 875 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,880 a way that allows you to make better health policy. 876 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,920 And then when you look at public services, you should be able to 877 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,080 personalize education in the future. 878 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,680 You, you're going to have AI tutors. 879 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,320 You you should have AI nurses, AI doctors, you're going to be 880 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,280 able we. Already do a lot of imaging 881 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,160 much, much better through using artificial intelligence. 882 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,680 Well, there's a Tony Blair waxing lyrical on the advantages 883 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,880 of of AIAI teachers, AI doctors, AI to make government better. 884 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,320 But of course, later on in the interview, he admits there's a 885 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,760 lot he doesn't know and he doesn't understand. 886 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,160 And he says to the other gentleman gentleman with him on 887 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,560 the stage, I'm sure you know more than I do. 888 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,920 But at the end of the day, Tony Blair is one of the key front 889 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,280 Enders backed by a huge amount of money that is pushing this 890 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,360 globe global AI agenda. So look, let's look at this next 891 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,560 clip of where Tony Blair has, has has interfaced with the 892 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,880 Prime Minister of Albania and what has resulted. 893 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,920 So this is Tony Blair working in Albania with the Prime Minister 894 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,560 of Albania. And what has transpired in the 895 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:26,320 Albanian parliament uproar? In Albania's parliament, 896 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,000 opposition politicians block the lectern, hurl papers and hurl 897 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,600 their disapproval, insulted that an artificial intelligence 898 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,520 should be appointed. To the cabinet, Prime Minister 899 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,280 Eddie Rama defended his decision. 900 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,320 Introducing artificial intelligence in the service of 901 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,360 good governance, anti corruption and accelerated socio economic 902 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,440 progress will be an unwavering priority for all the country's 903 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:58,000 ministries and agencies. It's a vitigenous promotion for 904 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,600 the AI called Diella earlier. This year she was rolled out on 905 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,280 a public service website as a virtual assistant. 906 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,400 Now she's a full blown government minister tasked with 907 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,240 making corruption free decisions on public tenders. 908 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,960 The opposition accuses her of being unconstitutional since 909 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,640 she's not a real Albanian. It's true that I do not have 910 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,200 citizenship, but nor do I have any personal ambition or 911 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,320 interests. Well, there you are. 912 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:31,800 This is the the sheer madness coming in and and it resulted in 913 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,480 paperwork being thrown in the Albanian parliament as that 914 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,440 parliament at least realises that what's happening by having 915 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:45,160 an AI minister is utter madness driven by Tony Blair who's been 916 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,000 working in the background. Let's have a look at the next 917 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,920 should we should have a new another clip on that? 918 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:56,400 I think maybe not OK, well, just on the explanation. 919 00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,800 The key thing to remember is that clearly emerging countries 920 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,920 and particularly countries that have been very poor prior to the 921 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,120 arrival of the European Union on the scene are now absolutely 922 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:14,160 being targeted as AI test vehicles as a nation state to 923 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,360 bring this madness in. And Tony Blair, one of the key 924 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:23,160 figures in Albania going as far as helping the agenda to to 925 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,800 bring in an an AI robot. So just quite, quite 926 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,400 extraordinary. But this is reality, Sandy. 927 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,280 Let's bring you in at the end of the news today because many 928 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,400 people are listening to the very dark topics that we are forced 929 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,040 to report on as reality in the country. 930 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,040 But let's have a look at not only what's happening at the 931 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,480 local level, but what people can actually do to prevent it. 932 00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:54,520 Yeah. I mean, we, we've got, we've got 933 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,440 to Keir Starmer's announcement and all the noise about 934 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,200 mandatory digital ID schemes. But actually, you know, and 935 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,960 there's a big March going on in London this coming week, not, 936 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,880 not this weekend, the following weekend, 18th. 937 00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:12,800 And really this is not the way it's going to happen. 938 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,200 I mean, we've already got digital ID infrastructure here 939 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,560 now and it's operational and I don't think people fully 940 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:21,760 realise. They think we're going to be 941 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,680 given something that we can reject. 942 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,680 And I think that is a little bit of the trick that they think 943 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,960 that that that we don't understand. 944 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,880 So I'm just going to give you a, you know, a little bit of an 945 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,640 idea now. If we just look at the five 946 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,720 pillars of technocracy, you've got digital ID, track and trace, 947 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,320 surveillance, biometric monitoring, social credit 948 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,400 systems, central bank, digital currencies. 949 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,600 Well, the first three we've pretty much already got in 950 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,720 place. And I'm just going to explain 951 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,240 how, and people may know, may or may not know this, but it's that 952 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,040 whole thing that I, I would think after that March in, in 953 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,120 London on the 18th, that there will be almost like they will 954 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,320 probably say they'll stall it or stop it or something. 955 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,800 And we'll be lulled into thinking, oh, it's all OK. 956 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,880 But covertly it's continuing through the back door. 957 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:19,840 So I just want to just flag up a few of the, the bills that are 958 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,560 in place now that are, you know, that we are Co, you know, 959 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,560 quietly of, you know, kind of signing up to without really 960 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,960 understanding what, what, what we're doing. 961 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,240 Umm, and I don't want to sort of put anybody down, but this is 962 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,280 just to, uh, highlight it. So we've got the, uh, the data 963 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,400 use and access bill, which was put in place in 2025. 964 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,440 Umm, which is really, umm, it's a, you know, it's, it's there 965 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,040 and it's, it's operational and it gives birth to things like 966 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,400 the, the next one, the register of digital identity and 967 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,440 attribute services. So all this is rolling out 968 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,760 underneath the radar. And then you've got the, the 969 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,280 digital verification service that people have been talking 970 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,320 about where you have to verify your, your business. 971 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,440 So that is a form of digital ID and you've got the government 972 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:17,720 one login, which is coming where you, you, in order to get your 973 00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,320 driving licence, your uh, or renew your driving licence or 974 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,640 your pensions, which is coming, you'll have to verify and all of 975 00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,640 that is going in through and it will all end up in a digital 976 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,000 wallet. Now it, this is how they, they, 977 00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,040 they, they want it to work. Now, people that, you know, 978 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,320 that, you know, in order to get your driving licence and things 979 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,240 like that, This is what people are signing up to, umm, without. 980 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,720 And you've got NHS apps, supermarket biometrics, QR 981 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,720 codes, cookies and apps and HMRC apps as well. 982 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,520 They're building the whole thing under the guise of efficiency 983 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,840 and convenience, not forcing it on you by getting you to opt in 984 00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,800 voluntarily. And this isn't just the UK, It's 985 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,360 happening right across the EU and the Five Eyes countries. 986 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,640 Different flags, but the same playbook. 987 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,840 The real system's already here it. 988 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,720 It's not a thing that you get given or choose to reject or 989 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,480 whatever. Whitehall has quietly built 990 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,800 foundations of a national digital ID system. 991 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,000 So at the moment we. You know, the clever bit is that 992 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,080 the ministers keep saying there's no centralized database 993 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,080 and technically that's true for now. 994 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,640 Instead, it's what they call a Federated model, which means 995 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,800 certified providers, banks, employers, tech companies, all 996 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,960 verifying your identity through the government, government's 997 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,280 framework. So politicians can stand there 998 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,440 and say no, there isn't a national identity database while 999 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,360 still still helping to build one in all but name basically. 1000 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,080 So every time you verify yourself for a job, a tenancy, a 1001 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:53,200 phone contract, a benefit claim, your data's linked across these 1002 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:58,200 systems and paper alternatives will remain, but they'll be made 1003 01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,160 deliberately slower and more expensive and inconvenient. 1004 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,680 So over time everyone takes a digital route and once 1005 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,600 everybody's doing it and that's, that's when it becomes the 1006 01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,120 default. The so-called voluntary system 1007 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:15,240 is now effectively mandatory. So the beauty is. 1008 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,640 Or rather, the danger of the system is that you'll never have 1009 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,760 to say yes. You just have to take an easier 1010 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:24,120 option. Take HMRC. 97% of people now 1011 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,560 file their tax returns online because paper forms are awkward, 1012 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,280 slow and discouraged. The same nudges are being built 1013 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,480 into every public service and soon you'll need your one login 1014 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,360 for for your pensions, your benefits or your healthcare. 1015 01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,320 You'll be asked to verify your identity with a certified 1016 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,800 provider and that creates A credential that follows you 1017 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,440 everywhere. So you'll think you've just 1018 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,760 logged into your pension, but in reality you've just been on 1019 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,920 boarded to a digital identity system. 1020 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,520 That is the trick. So, and when the with government 1021 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,400 wallet pops up, you know, would you like to save your 1022 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,760 credentials for next time you click yes. 1023 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,640 And now your government proofs are in, in, you know, they're 1024 01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,000 stored in one sort of place, one container. 1025 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:09,240 So banks and employers already being integrated, landlords too, 1026 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,800 especially for more housing gets followed up by corporate owners 1027 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,280 like Black Rock and Lloyd's. So paper alternatives will 1028 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,120 exist, but they will be slower, costlier and and that's what 1029 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:23,160 they they're relying on. Now there's, there are ways 1030 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,520 round this and this is how we can possibly push back. 1031 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,800 Just, you know, avoid the centralised database for now. 1032 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,800 This, you know, this, this is the way we do it. 1033 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:39,920 We, we, we can, we can actually use the, the, the system against 1034 01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,880 them. Because what we can do is I can 1035 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,320 put it, put it, put it up on what we can do is don't accept 1036 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,040 cookies or apps on your phone. Better still, get rid of your 1037 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,480 smartphone or severely limit its use. 1038 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,720 Be awkward. Insist on paper documents. 1039 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,560 You can do this because the government has made provisions 1040 01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,720 for those people who don't have access to technology. 1041 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:06,080 Millions of pensioners. We can use this and fill in 1042 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,160 forms at the post office. Verify through your accountant. 1043 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,920 For instance, like a lot of people who thought they'd have 1044 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:16,240 to verify through the digital app thing, the digital 1045 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,560 verification system, they, you can actually do it with your 1046 01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:25,200 accountant and your passport and any other ID you have. 1047 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,920 So we just, you just have to be awkward and, and do it, you 1048 01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,520 know, act dumb. And the, The thing is that the 1049 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,040 Equality Act is there to support this. 1050 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,200 They've made the government have made provisions to people who 1051 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,200 don't have access to technology and who can't use the technology 1052 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,320 and just act dumb and say I can't use this. 1053 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,080 And there's always an option. It's called find, find another 1054 01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:49,880 way. And you click on that and there 1055 01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,960 is a way out of it. I did it with my driving 1056 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,600 licence. I, I didn't go through their 1057 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,840 system, I did it through the post office and my passport. 1058 01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,760 So if we have enough people doing this, it will delay and 1059 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,880 frustrate the whole system. And I think if we can just be 1060 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,320 awkward just, and I know it's awful, but it's about, it's 1061 01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,560 about ditching these for a bit. Ditch them or don't use them or 1062 01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,520 don't use these for doing, for doing anything online for 1063 01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,040 verification. OK, over to you, Brian. 1064 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,680 Sandy, thank you very much for that. 1065 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,240 And significantly you've ended up your segment there of how to 1066 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,200 challenge the system with a smile on your face. 1067 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,920 And this is the beauty of it that what what you're suggesting 1068 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,920 people can do. There are there's facility for 1069 01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,360 it within the government's own system. 1070 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:44,680 You don't have to go down the the AI digitised route. 1071 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,440 You can challenge it, but maybe you've got to look for that 1072 01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,840 alternative route. And while you're taking this 1073 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,760 route of protest, you can also be a perfectly happy, smiley, 1074 01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,560 reasonable person. If you're engaging with a member 1075 01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,480 of the government staff. That's another huge tick in the 1076 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,640 book, in the box. But the key point is that if a 1077 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,320 million people are protesting, yes, that brings people 1078 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,840 together. But your point is that what we 1079 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:17,080 really need is for the million people to then go away and take 1080 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:21,360 that protest everywhere they can, and particularly when 1081 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,040 they're interfacing with these new controlling government 1082 01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,400 systems. So I think this is really 1083 01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,880 excellent advice. And yes, on many occasions we 1084 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,560 don't need a smartphone. We could simply have a a push 1085 01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,760 and old fashioned push button phone. 1086 01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,680 And that stops a lot of the interaction. 1087 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,400 With the government dead in its tracks. 1088 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,480 We must leave it. There a lot happening in the 1089 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,960 world. You always feel better about 1090 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,240 yourself if you're actually challenging it. 1091 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:54,040 So action conquers fear. Don't get dragged into the pure 1092 01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,360 darkness of what's happening. Do something and you will feel 1093 01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,680 better. And of course, stay watching the 1094 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,160 UK column. We're going to bring you as much 1095 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:07,440 information as we can as to this draconian one world government 1096 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,440 system that's coming into place. We must end there. 1097 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,600 Sandy, thank you very much for joining me. 1098 01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,720 Ben, thank you for being here in the studio. 1099 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,720 Huge thank you to all our audience, wherever you are in 1100 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,160 the world. If you're AUK column member, 1101 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,760 stay with us because we'll be back into UK column extra in 1102 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,480 just a few minutes. If you're anywhere else, we look 1103 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,120 forward to seeing you at 1:00 on Wednesday. 1104 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:34,480 See you then. Bye bye.