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Good afternoon. 
Today is Monday the 15th of 

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September 2025, just after 1:00.
Welcome to UK column news. 

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I'm your host, Brian Garish, 
delighted to have Ben Rubin with

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me in the studio. 
And Diane Rasmussen will also be

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joining us by live video link. 
Well, epic events in UK over the

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weekend will Saturday very large
protests in London. 

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And let's just have a little 
look at that on screen. 

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And as we can see from this 
aerial picture, a very, very 

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large number of people attended 
the demonstration. 

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Estimates vary. 
I've had some estimates from 

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people who were there on the 
spot saying they thought about 

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800,000 of the people have said 
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Tommy Robinson claimed 3 
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around that 800 to 1,000,000 
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But certainly it was a lot of 
people and clearly a lot of 

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people felt motivated enough to 
travel into London in order to 

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see exactly what was going on 
and also to meet up with other 

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like minded people. 
What's your estimates, Ben? 

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Do you do you go with the Tommy 
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think that's a bit high? 
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Think it's probably a bit high 
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saying about 100,000, weren't 
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So somewhere between those two, 
I know someone on the ground who

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said a million. 
So I think that's probably about

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right. 
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about 150,000. 
Since we're having a discussion 

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about these events, let's bring 
Diane Diane in. 

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Welcome, Diane. 
You were watching a lot of this 

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on Saturday, obviously from a 
distance, but what what was your

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feeling about the numbers? 
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I think starting from around 
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it went off around 6:30 in the 
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And basically what happened was 
I watched the first part, which 

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was covered by Steve James or 
Edge of the Matrix, who started 

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the live stream, and he was just
walking around talking to people

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as he normally does. 
He's a friend of a UK column 

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asking people about their 
opinions about gender ideology. 

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And things aren't necessarily 
related to what we thought the 

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protest was for. 
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get a feel from people on the 
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And it seemed as though the 
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that he spoke to were there for 
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believed they were there for the
right reasons in terms of saving

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England, saving the the, the 
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for women's rights and the other
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hear. 
But it seemed as though that the

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crowds just kept growing and 
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And it was really, I looked at 
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both from the air and on the 
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Tabby Robinson's ex channel, as 
well as just some other 

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individual streamers. 
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hard to difficult to see where 
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who was going or where they 
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I do know one person, a friend 
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said that she was stuck on the 
bridge over the river and there 

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were thousands of people both in
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they were stuck, they couldn't 
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So it does seem as though it 
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would imagine, to truly get a a 
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OK, thank you for that. 
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that I had from people who were 
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there was a very friendly 
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People were getting on extremely
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The trouble was described to me 
as some bad boys who were off to

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one side doing their own thing. 
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of people there, they were there
in a genuine protest, but the 

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mood was very friendly. 
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people, black, white, all other 
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mixing without any problem at 
all, contrary to the way it was 

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reported. 
And what about yourself, Ben? 

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Is that is that the sort of 
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Yeah, absolutely. 
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It was a real mixed, mixed 
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Absolutely. 
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So the key question for you, why
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challenged at the moment in a 
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because they wanted to try and 
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identity. 
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things that really struck me is 
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what national identity was being
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That was my overriding sense of 
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It's a very good point. 
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Ben, and I think a very credible
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Let's have a listen to the 
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who was being interviewed about 
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What worries me most is the 
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In other societies and other 
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It's not even the left and the 
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There are communities that are 
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there are figures such as Tommy 
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into a sense of disquiet and and
grievance in the community in 

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our society. 
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roots in the financial crisis 
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communities around the country. 
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bring our communities back 
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So I think these are moments 
that are Claxton calls to us in 

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public life to redouble our 
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concerns that people right 
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And immigration is a big 
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It's a concern that I and the 
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and we are acting on and other 
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But we have to do it in a way 
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communities back together again.
So you have a demonstration 108,

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sorry, 800,000 people, a million
people together and the minister

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describes the problem as being 
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I find that interesting. 
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key problem was financial. 
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all someone else's fault as 
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Nothing to do with Peter Carl 
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Well, we'll consider that in a 
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But yeah, let's reinforce that 
point because of course other 

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reports in the BBC such as this 
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saying that, well, all of these 
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and the hotel hotels, this is 
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Tories fault. 
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blame game. 
Meanwhile, the unitary, the UNI 

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party system that we've got in 
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thing. 
I thought it would be worthwhile

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to actually just do a little bit
of assessment on what the whole 

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point of the rally was. 
And I found that actually I had 

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to go to ChatGPT in order to see
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And the first point it raised is
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opposition to what the 
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saw as uncontrolled or illegal 
immigration, which I think is a 

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pretty accurate report. 
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ChatGPT had to use? 
Well, surprisingly, it was Al 

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Jazeera. 
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here because it it said that a 
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London was free speech and 
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The March has also framed their 
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British heritage, national 
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heard. 
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poignant point. 
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being taken any notice of at the
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absolutely correct. 
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this particular one while it was
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So we've got AI at work and it's
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happening in a million people 
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It's choosing Al Jazeera. 
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something about our mainstream 
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And if I go on to #3 here, it's 
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political climate. 
And what was the source that our

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illustrious AI used for that? 
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Newspaper. 
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that AI was struggling to find 
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this massive demonstration in 
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And of course with the BBC 
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people, I suppose we shouldn't 
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But if we take apart what was 
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people are really concerned, we 
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What is the current political 
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I've attempted to put some meat 
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one I think is we've got 
warmongering, we've got a 

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government ramping up for war 
whenever possible, wherever 

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possible. 
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the national identity and mass 
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discrimination is clearly part 
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And significantly this is 
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British people, this is also 
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now settled in UK. 
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is dangerous to all our futures.
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had people of different cultures
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We've got #3 here the 
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identity and the family. 
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is helping this destruction. 
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that's being pushed by the 
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If we go on #4 we've got the 
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children via religious and sex 
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sexuality education which is 
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World Health Organisation. 
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free speech, undercover of the 
Online Harms Bill and a whole 

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range of other legislation which
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We've got the division of 
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media and propaganda. 
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itself. 
It's nothing to do with the 

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demonstrators. 
It's coming in from the state 

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and if we go on through we can 
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COVID lockdown and climate 
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#8 we've got state facilitated 
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Westminster civil service and 
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And if I bring in a #9 here 
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the National Health and well 
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supply and the NHS amongst other
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So these are all pretty serious 
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which are coming in from our own
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Just summarise this little bit. 
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ChatGPT brought up. 
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to me. 
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top of this Gaza and Ukraine 
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that this particular rally there
were there was positive support 

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for Israel and presumably 
everything it was doing in Gaza.

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Ukrainian lady, nothing was 
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the bloodshed in Ukraine. 
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interesting undertones. 
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here, I thought it pertinent to 
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the government is using of 
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We've got one, negate or destroy
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freedoms of others, undermine, 
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system of liberal parliamentary 
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others to achieve these results.
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extremism seems to fit our own 
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much more than it does the 
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people protesting in London. 
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from Protect UK, if we have a 
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extreme right wing terrorism, of
course all of those million 

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people on the streets were being
branded as extreme right wing by

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British mainstream media are 
quite disgusting accusation. 

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But it seems to me that the 
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to attack society itself. 
So I'm putting some complex 

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things in that, Ben, but it 
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comes from our own government, 
not the million people on the 

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streets. 
Not all of the million people on

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the streets. 
Actually, I think this is, this 

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is the issue, right, is that 
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the commentariat and by 
politicians as, as these 

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homogeneous lumps of people 
where everyone believes the same

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things. 
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fundamentally not true actually.
So there's some people in the 

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chat box pointing out, as we'll 
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people behind this heavy Zionist
influence, very political, lots 

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of conflicts of interest, 
particularly with some of the 

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big money people involved and, 
and who were featured. 

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reasons. 
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You know, and they, they see 
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They want to go out and do 
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Good on them. 
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was that there was no violence, 
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this to go quite badly wrong, 
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And it didn't. 
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calm. 
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people around to help keep 
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Let's have a little listen to 
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Violence is going to come to 
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You will have no choice. 
This is a. 

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This is. 
You're in a fundamental 

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situation here where you where 
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not, violence is coming to you. 
You either fight back or you 

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die. 
You either fight back. 

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Or you die. 
And that's. 

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The truth. 
Today, Elon, I think we're, I 

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think the British public are 
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ready to fight back. 
Good. 

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Yes, Come. 
On Come on Ray Britain. 

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Brian just said that's pathetic.
I completely agree with you. 

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Notice he got really very little
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actually. 
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got to fight back or die. 
That's his message. 

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Isn't that an extreme right wing
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It's I don't know if it's right 
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know, he's hardly trying to 
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which I think would probably be 
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that's that's been going on. 
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look at his his T-shirt. 
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You got the little, little one 
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The full T-shirt says, what 
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And I think Orwell would think 
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dangerous and very scary man 
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I think Alwell would think. 
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masks. 
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generally around things like the
ISIS flag being attacked by some

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Maori's on stage who'd been 
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Again, it's all really 
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Britishness here, you know, like
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different cultures and, and 
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things happening. 
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after the Palestine flag and 
this is, this is not necessary. 

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This is incitement for me. 
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things happening in Palestine 
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This is a very pro Israel event.
Tommy Robinson himself is a 

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proud Zionist. 
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strong case to be made that 
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controlling him. 
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he's setting this event up. 
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who's behind the the this event?
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to say that it is. 
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stage is, is not good for me. 
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and this just makes it very easy
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the argument to point out and 
say, look, violence, look 

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hatred. 
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fundamentally not helpful, 
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And of course, there was a 
counter protest, as is always 

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the way at the moment, right? 
There's a protest happening. 

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And lo and behold, there is a 
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This is this pattern is repeated
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I reported on an event in 
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Same thing was happening there. 
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last Sunday. 
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and then you had stand up to 
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Stand up to racism behind this, 
the March against Fascism, Unite

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against Tommy Robinson. 
It's all about Tommy. 

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Tommy, Tommy. 
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all of this. 
This was run by or certainly led

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by Narendra Corps. 
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correctly. 
The woman holding the sign up on

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the right hand side, there is a 
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and this is the feminine left 
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So this was a women only March. 
You can just see that it says 

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women against the far right on 
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So this is the feminine left 
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masculine right wing. 
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Robinson March probably 
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I don't think it was all men, 
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very deliberate, again, it's 
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right, man V women. 
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effective reconciliation in the 
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That needs to happen in order 
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past this stuff, right? 
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We've talked about before, 
basically directly linked into 

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the top of the Labor Party, 
linked into the military 

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intelligence agencies. 
Very unclear where all the money

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is coming from for them to churn
these signs out. 

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I mean they're putting hundreds 
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on a weekly basis. 
This we can just see here is 

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very closely linked into the 
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You got Unison, TUC, UNITE and 
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And we need to have a bit more 
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shows. 
But to to get the the supposedly

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union aligned sneering in 
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view on the March. 
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Paul Mason. 
What you're seeing here is 

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probably. 
Oh, is. 

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Someone going to? 
Run. 

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A bit of a problem there. 
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probably the biggest far right 
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Britain. 
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and I think it's obvious that 
many of the. 

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People here are. 
Wearing flag as a badge of their

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own white identity and as a mark
of hatred of our multicultural 

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multinational society. 
No, there are more progressive 

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people than this. 
What this is, is the radicalised

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mass space of the Reformed Party
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This. 
Most people live with a voted 

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Tory, some mighty voted Labour. 
But this is by and large a for a

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bean. 
Working class, explicitly racist

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demonstration and I'm afraid to 
say it will very likely descend 

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into violence when it gets to 
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Military intelligence asset Paul
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essentially being a symbol of 
hatred for multi ethnic Britain.

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He describes the group as the 
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and Conservative voters and he 
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He called them plebs. 
Isn't that amazing? 

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No, it's it's not amazing. 
Actually, no, it's not. 

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Amazing. 
It tells you a lot about what 

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these people, what these people 
actually think, right. 

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And this, the same line of, of, 
of thought extended to Richard 

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Bergen, member of Parliament. 
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was, was quite amazing talking 
about the fact that we are in an

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incredibly dangerous moment, 
which I do actually agree with, 

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by the way, but probably not for
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saying. 
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say we not only face the threat 
of a far right government coming

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to power for the first time in 
our history, I guess he means 

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reform, but also a violent far 
right St movement on a scale not

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seen here in decades, if ever. 
Apparently that's what this 

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March was. 
This is a violent far right St 

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movement. 
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street movement led by convicted
criminal Tommy Robinson, who's 

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not really the leader of this 
thing he just happened to 

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organise this March, is 
especially dangerous for black 

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Muslim, Jewish and other 
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So there's plenty of black 
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It was definitely anti Muslim. 
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idea that this is dangerous for 
Jewish people, I think is 

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absolutely crazy because very 
clearly, you know, the whole 

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thing was was avowedly Zionist. 
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Abby Yemeni from Rebel News was 
wandering around broadcasting. 

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He was a former IDF sniper and 
basically bragged about killing 

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children in Gaza, effectively 
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operation, as I would say it. 
And he may well be the guy who's

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pulling Tommy Robinson's 
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I don't know. 
And just to sum up, this was a 

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message that I was sent by a 
mate of mine who was actually 

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there and said it was good. 
There was well over 1,000,000 

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people, the original police 
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MSM said 110,000 all very 
peaceful majority the police we 

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came across real decent smiling 
chatty right Police came out 

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once most people had left so 
that they can antagonise and get

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reactions for the news. 
Sounds about right. 

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It does, yeah. 
And thank you very much for 

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that, Diane. 
Let's bring you back with us, 

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and what have you got? 
Yeah, I just have a few comments

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and a little bit more coverage 
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Saturday. 
It. 

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You know, one thing I want to 
show is a little bit more from 

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the Elon Musk confrontation 
between himself and and the 

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audience, which was along with 
Tommy Robinson. 

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So let's play the rest of that. 
And then you see how much 

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violence there's on the left 
with our our friend Charlie Cook

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getting murdered in cold blood 
this week and people on the left

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celebrating it openly. 
The left is the party of murder 

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and celebrating murder. 
I mean, let let that sink in for

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a minute. 
That's who we're dealing with 

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here. 
That is who we're dealing with. 

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So that brings up a couple of 
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First of all, the right versus 
left, of course, but she 

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repeated several times. 
And I just want to say, Ben, I 

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see your point about what you 
were saying about the right 

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versus left on in this 
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However, I would like to point 
out that I am not on the left 

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because I am a woman and I want 
to preserve my own rights as an 

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actual woman as opposed to some 
women who put themselves on the 

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left or those who say they are 
women. 

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And that's a very different 
situation. 

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So, but but the problem I think 
is that when I was seeing some 

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of the sort of counter 
demonstration going on, counter 

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protests where, where are these 
women of actual or trans who 

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were sort of trying to take 
their own position on situation,

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but they were so small in 
numbers compared to the actual 

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official part of the 
demonstration. 

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I think it's interesting also to
note the timing of this event 

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with this being on the 13th of 
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So we've got just two days after
the anniversary of 911, which is

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still a very sore spot for lots 
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particularly Americans. 
Of course, we had the Charlie 

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Kirk situation. 
And I know there's a lot of 

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speculation circulating around 
the Internet at this point 

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around a lot of all of the 
things surrounding whatever 

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happened with Charlie Kirk. 
But the timing is also, again, 

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very interesting. 
That was on the eve of 911 and 

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we we see the all the Charlie 
Kirk messages were weaved 

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throughout the entire day. 
As I said, I watched all of it. 

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We also see here there's another
photo of him saying, God bless 

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Charlie Kirk, never forgotten. 
So it's like 911 never forget. 

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And this was a man holding this 
photo of him on the stage behind

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where Tommy and the other 
speakers who again, of course, 

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were as, as has been said 
earlier, Israeli supporters, 

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Zionist supporters, generally 
speaking, the we're the ones who

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were who were out there. 
And we also have the death of 

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the Iranis Zariska situation, 
the Ukrainian refugee who was 

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supposedly stabbed in the in the
North Carolina in recent times. 

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So all of this they're they're 
they're positioning Tommy as the

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hero, as the God. 
And all of the people who were 

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speaking and introducing him 
throughout the official event 

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were saying, oh, we wouldn't be 
here without Tommy. 

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Tommy is he's like this, this 
God worship almost figure that 

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they were making him out to be 
as though he's just this average

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working class chap who's going 
to save the country. 

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But actually, again, I think 
that most of people in 

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attendance were probably in that
situation, situation of, of just

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being, wanting to do what's best
for the country and, and 

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returning to a more traditional 
form of, of Britain and England.

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But I also think that if you 
look at who actually organised 

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the event and how it was 
supported and how an average 

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person could not take over 
London at this level. 

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And then to have all of this 
happening while just the, the, 

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the scope of the event, there 
was video screens all the way up

458
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and down where you could watch 
the events of for people who 

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couldn't get close to the stage.
And there's absolutely no way 

460
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that an individual person who 
doesn't feel so they can even 

461
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speak up for themselves in the 
country at this stage would be 

462
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able to take over the capital 
city at this level. 

463
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So I think there's some 
questions to ask about what's 

464
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behind this and what's what 
drove it. 

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And, you know, again, what is 
actually going on in the 

466
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background. 
So I those people who say what 

467
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they were out for the looking at
the Tommy and and trying to help

468
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,360
him because he's done all these 
great things for us, I think 

469
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:01,400
needs to maybe reconsider their 
position just a bit, Brian. 

470
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,440
Diane, thank you for that. 
And we'll certainly be talking 

471
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,320
about this more in extra after 
the news today. 

472
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,960
But key bid is a lot of very, 
very good people on the streets.

473
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,200
They need to know exactly what 
is attacking them in this 

474
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,200
country. 
And I think getting information 

475
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,680
across is everything that's 
happening through and with the 

476
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UK's government is the right way
to go. 

477
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,440
But we'll do, we'll deal with 
this more in extra time now. 

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Big thank you as always to 
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Now tonight at 7:00 PM, we've 
got a repeat with Germ Warfare 

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talking about all big events 
being fabricated. 

488
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That's with Nick Hudson, which I
think is an interesting topic 

489
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and something we should all keep
our attention on because nothing

490
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at the moment is quite as it 
seems. 

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Also UK Column on location in 
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of October. 
Excuse me. 

493
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The key thing is that tickets 
are now sold out. 

494
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So we're looking at the live 
stream. 

495
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I'm going to emphasise this, the
tickets are now sold. 

496
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Well, hey. 
Yes, a huge thank you to 

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everybody who's bought 1 and we 
really look forward to seeing 

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you. 
But we're also encouraging 

499
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people to join us for the online
view. 

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And of course, if you do that, 
we will be speaking to 

501
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everybody, whether you're with 
us in person or further afield. 

502
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,320
Diane, you've got this one here 
for the Food and Health Festival

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coming up on the 28th September.
Yes, I've mentioned this in the 

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last couple of weeks as well, 
but just as a reminder that this

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is coming up as sponsored by 
Commodile Edinburgh, of which 

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I'm a member of the executive 
committee. 

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00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,640
It will be a focus on 
alternative health solutions, 

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local foods, the importance of 
real food, the importance of 

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00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,840
farming. 
So there'll be some vendors, 

510
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,080
there'll be some talks 
throughout the day, including 

511
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,560
Charles Mallett, who is coming 
up to join us to speak from his 

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perspective on farming. 
So I think it'll be a great day.

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Tickets are free. 
It's from from 10:00 AM to 4:00 

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00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,960
PM and the location and the post
code are right there on the 

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flyer, so please join us. 
Brilliant. 

516
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,360
Thank. 
Thank you, Diane. 

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00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,960
Well, Ben, back to you and the 
subject is chaos, the undertone 

518
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,000
of UK. 
Yes, Chaos Agents again, I think

519
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,600
I used the same title last week 
and I'm going to pull together a

520
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,480
few of the threads that I talked
about last week back to this 

521
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:09,520
guy, Sir Paul Marshall and GB 
News and I'm going to link him 

522
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:16,400
to Radical Marxism, Common 
purpose, old bit of an old UK 

523
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,160
common favourite in there, the 
Fabian Society, the World 

524
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,560
Economic Forum, Gates Foundation
on majority of the UN. 

525
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,600
And actually posed the question 
once again is what is GB News 

526
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,400
actually up to and how is this 
guy's interests aligning with 

527
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,720
all of those organisations that 
I've just mentioned? 

528
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,040
Now I'll use the same image last
week, well, I talked about 

529
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:42,160
Marshall's relationship with 
George Soros who put money into 

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00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,640
Marshall's hedge fund and 
essentially created him as as a 

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00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,480
significant financial force in 
the UK. 

532
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,040
While at the same time funding 
left wing organisations like 

533
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,080
Black Lives Matter, the 
International Rescue Committee. 

534
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,320
And the fact that these two 
wings to the beast are creating 

535
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,760
chaos in our discourse and in 
our society and ultimately out 

536
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,360
on the streets basically. 
So the people like Marshall and 

537
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,080
Soros can profit from this. 
And I also talked about this 

538
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,800
organisation to the Black Black 
Equity Organisation which was Co

539
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,240
founded by David Lammy. 
This is about delivering equity 

540
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,000
which is beyond equality and 
this is about equal outcomes. 

541
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,360
This is communist. 
It can only be delivered by a 

542
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,960
totalitarian state intervening 
in the social order on a 

543
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,200
constant basis. 
Yeah, it's, it's, this is what 

544
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,440
this is. 
There's no other way to 

545
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,720
understand it. 
Black equity organisation. 

546
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,520
And it's directly linked to Paul
Marshall actually. 

547
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,320
So I delivered those two 
separate segments last week. 

548
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,040
This week I'm going to tie them 
both together. 

549
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,960
Right. 
So we've got equity, black 

550
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:54,080
equity organisation, it's 
trustee board, very interesting 

551
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,240
people. 
You're going to have a look at 

552
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,360
this. 
You'll provide a link. 

553
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,360
And what we're particularly 
interested in today is this chap

554
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:07,520
here, this is Rick Lewis, who is
a British American mixed race 

555
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,400
guy. 
And Bieber, he leans very 

556
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,120
heavily on the black bit, right?
Obviously he's on black equity 

557
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,720
organisation. 
He's trading very heavily on on 

558
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,160
this side of his identity. 
And his background is he's a big

559
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,520
time real estate investor. 
He's the executive chairman of 

560
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,120
this thing which is Tristan 
Capital Management, hundreds of 

561
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,120
millions of dollars of assets 
under management. 

562
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,360
He's also got a load of other 
interest to play. 

563
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,960
He runs something called the 
Black Heart Foundation. 

564
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,800
And he's also importantly for 
the interests of today, on the 

565
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,920
Board of Governors of something 
called King Solomon Academy. 

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00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,120
And King Solomon Academy is an 
Academy school in Marylebone in 

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00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,600
central London, which, if we 
just look at the landing page 

568
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,440
here, is pushing quite a 
specific demographic agenda, I 

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00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,320
would say is central London. 
Let's have a look at the little 

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00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,480
girls on the front page of the 
website here. 

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00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:11,000
And this is run by Arc Schools. 
Yeah, which is, I think, quite 

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00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,680
well known to us. 
We've covered it on the column 

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00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,760
before. 
And Arc Schools run a lot of 

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00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,480
these academies around the UK. 
This is the Arc Schools website.

575
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,600
And who's on the board of 
trustees for Arc Schools? 

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00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:28,440
Paul Marshall and also Ian Waste
as well, which is the Marshall 

577
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,440
Waste hedge fund that George 
Soros helped create to bring it 

578
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,560
back to where we started. 
It's interesting how the big 

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00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,160
money and the hedge funds are 
always somewhere there in the 

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00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,320
background. 
Indeed, it is so poor Marshall 

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00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,600
through radical Marxism, and now
we're going to take him on to, 

582
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,800
oh, actually, no, before I go 
ahead, the the the gentleman I 

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00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,880
was just talking about, Rick 
Lewis is also on the board of 

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00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,960
the Earth Shop Prize, which is 
Prince William's big 

585
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:03,480
sustainability play and that has
done work with Common purpose at

586
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,880
the end of last year. 
So it's LinkedIn there as well. 

587
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,840
Also, Marshalls is working with 
the LSE, amazingly so London 

588
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,920
School of Economics, which was 
founded by the Fabian Society 

589
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,159
back in 1895 S the LSE is a 
Fabian Society organisation on 

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00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,840
this. 
They're hammering, hammering out

591
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,560
a new world apparently. 
And you know, this just takes us

592
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,159
directly into Arch Fabian and 
Tony Blair and half of the 

593
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,880
Labour cabinet in all, every 
single Labour Prime Minister 

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00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,840
that's ever served as Prime 
Minister of the country. 

595
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,440
And Marshall, he's very closely 
linked to them. 

596
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,520
He's been delivering lectures 
for them. 

597
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,000
This one which provide a link to
was actually given. 

598
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,120
This was an interview by Manoush
Shafiq, who's just been 

599
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,040
announced as chief economic 
adviser to Keir Starmer. 

600
00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,440
And this is part of his role, 
formal role at the LSE running 

601
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,960
something called the Marshall 
Institute. 

602
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,440
And he's actually built a whole 
huge building for the LSE, 

603
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,120
right? 
So it's not some kind of casual 

604
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,080
relationship that he has with 
the line of School of Economics,

605
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,760
which was founded by the Fabian 
Society. 

606
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,320
He's actually spending 10s, 
potentially hundreds of millions

607
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,760
of pounds building physical 
infrastructure. 

608
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,560
This is this is the Marshall 
Institute. 

609
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,920
The Marshall Institute's 
particularly interested in 

610
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,120
social impact, which is the 
transformation of society. 

611
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,880
That's literally what this 
institute has been set up for 

612
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,800
and it is run by Go to the 
People page. 

613
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,560
This guy was one of the 
directors, Kieran Boyle, who is 

614
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,840
a very, very, very naughty boy 
into a lot of very bad things. 

615
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,880
Mr Boyle, who, amongst amongst 
many things, is a young global 

616
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,200
leader of the World Economic 
Forum. 

617
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,800
Yeah, this is shadow government.
Effectively this is the 

618
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,000
powerhouse running out of sight 
of most of the public. 

619
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,280
It's there when you go looking 
for it, but it's something which

620
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,280
needs to be brought to the 
surface if we're going to be 

621
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,720
able to explain what is causing 
all this mayhem and chaos in UK.

622
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,200
Absolutely. 
And I would certainly imagine 

623
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,840
that the vast, vast, vast, vast 
majority GB News viewers, I have

624
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,760
no idea and would object quite 
strenuously to the idea that 

625
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,760
Paul Marshall is working with 
like Equity Organisation and the

626
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,200
World Economic Forum. 
Because these are the World 

627
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,360
Economic Forum particularly. 
I mean, these are the bad guys, 

628
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,440
right? 
And surely if you're a 

629
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,880
nationalist, GB News, you should
be protecting the interests of 

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00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,040
the country, but actually 
working behind the scenes and 

631
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,280
actually hand selecting. 
Sure. 

632
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,600
Paul Marshall was intimately 
involved in finding and hiring 

633
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,000
this guy. 
Kieran Boyle knows exactly what 

634
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,920
he's about. 
Make that make sense? 

635
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,760
You can't. 
Then finally, back to the GB 

636
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,760
News website. 
Let's have a look at their 

637
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,040
investors. 
Lagartum describes itself as a 

638
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,760
global partnership with a 
mission at its core. 

639
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,400
And you know, some classic 
corporate guff. 

640
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,000
Go to their website. 
They're a team of people bound 

641
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,240
together by shared desire to 
make the world better for 

642
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,760
everybody. 
Apparently it's basically a slug

643
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,640
of tax efficient money based in 
Dubai, wanting to change your 

644
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,400
life without your permission, 
quite frankly. 

645
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,960
Run by these people. 
Mark Stollison, Alan McCormick, 

646
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,200
who's actually the chairman of 
GB News. 

647
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:28,280
So this, this Lagarten thing, 
he's not just funding it. 

648
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,840
He's also got executive 
responsibility for the how the 

649
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,480
how The thing is being run to 
other investors. 

650
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,920
Philip Vasilu, Christopher 
Chandler, all fascinating. 

651
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,400
We don't have time to get into 
it in a huge amount of detail. 

652
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,480
How did Lagarten go about 
transforming the world? 

653
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,800
They have these three funds, 
Luminos Fund, the end fund, the 

654
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,120
Freedom Fund. 
And where does that take us to 

655
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,120
straight into this world, Phil. 
Melinda Gates Foundation on the 

656
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,800
GR Network, UNICEF Children's 
Investment Fund Foundation, 

657
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,600
which is Chris Hoehn, another 
Blair ally, and ultimately the 

658
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,320
US State Department, amongst 
many, many, many others. 

659
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:09,240
Yeah, and that's who Paul 
Marshall, the founding investor 

660
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:12,360
of GB News, owner of Unheard, 
owner of The Spectator, is 

661
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,920
directing a lot of his time, 
money and attention in the 

662
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,560
background. 
Ben, thank you very much. 

663
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,040
Many, many questions there. 
We'll talk a little bit more in 

664
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,960
extra on this one as well, but 
this is the key to understanding

665
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,920
what is unfolding inside UK. 
The idea that the government in 

666
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,480
Westminster is controlling the 
country is becoming more and 

667
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,000
more laughable. 
It's clear that these powerful 

668
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,280
organisations are operating 
under the surface in their 

669
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,080
networks and of course they can 
only do it on the scale. 

670
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,320
They are doing it by having, by 
the fact they have access to 

671
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,600
huge amounts of money through 
these private hedge funds and 

672
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,400
others. 
But we, we'll continue to keep 

673
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,640
lifting the lid on it. 
This is the sort of information 

674
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,760
that the million people on the 
streets of London need to 

675
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,160
understand because what's 
happening to them, what they're 

676
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,080
experiencing is more complicated
than the simplistic message 

677
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,320
being put across. 
Well, if we're concerned about 

678
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,600
how the government operates, it 
was the Daily Express headline 

679
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,720
which really caught my eye 
today. 

680
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,120
It says Khan must quit over 
grooming failure. 

681
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,680
And this is about a 
whistleblower revealing the 

682
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,960
horrific extent of capital rape,
gangs and demands. 

683
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,600
Now, when I read the small text 
on screen, I was very interested

684
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,480
to see that the whistleblower 
was in fact former Met detective

685
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,200
John Wedger, a man who the UK 
column knows extremely well. 

686
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,600
And we've done a number of 
interviews with John. 

687
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,840
Let's just remind ourselves of 
what he was talking about. 

688
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,480
Now remember, this is a former 
Met policeman who discovered 

689
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,280
widespread child abuse in 
London. 

690
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:04,080
Children being taken out of the 
protective care system. 

691
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,360
Given drugs, prostituted via 
various groups, but when he 

692
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,520
brought a report together to 
take the lid off what he saw 

693
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,440
happening, the police turned on 
him. 

694
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,000
This is just a brief quote from 
what John Wedger has had to say 

695
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,920
back in 2018. 
What happened from the time that

696
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,480
you whistle blew on this, this 
really outrageous abuse of 

697
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,520
children in London? 
Well, I mean, like I mentioned 

698
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,280
in our audio interview, I 
generally thought that soon as I

699
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,400
whistle blew that things would 
start going in the right 

700
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,040
direction. 
I thought I'd get the back in. 

701
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,200
I mean as well, I mean I'm 
coming forward in respect to 

702
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,760
some really, really horrendous 
and serious crimes. 

703
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:54,480
Having worked as an investigator
for many years and realised the 

704
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,440
protection that we would afford 
our victims, our informants and 

705
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,320
our witnesses of crime, I 
thought the same would be 

706
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,320
afforded to me. 
And it was a total opposite. 

707
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,320
I was also warned by other 
police whistleblowers that I was

708
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,720
put in contact with. 
And it's namely Lenny Harper who

709
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:14,480
exposed the hot de la grin, 
Maggie Oliver who was the one 

710
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,120
who sort of brought forward 
about the, the Rochdale child 

711
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,680
abuse cover ups. 
And they both said the same 

712
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,840
thing, that they're going to 
come for you and they'll come 

713
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:24,840
hard. 
And they did. 

714
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,040
And the, the onslaught was just,
it was just unbelievable. 

715
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:34,680
But what was said to me and by 
my sort of OCU commander at the 

716
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,520
time, and he turned and said, 
you know, you're looking at you 

717
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,280
carry on. 
You're looking at losing your 

718
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,080
home, your job and your 
children. 

719
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,640
And as the years prevailed, you 
know, the next three years that 

720
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,000
I went through this campaign of 
bullying against me, they. 

721
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,520
Were led led by the Metropolitan
Police. 

722
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,560
Yeah, solely led by the Met 
Police. 

723
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:02,520
The words were predicted because
whoever was behind it, I nearly 

724
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,680
lost my home because I was I 
was. 

725
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:11,360
My wages were stopped. 
They tried on three major 

726
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,840
occasions. 
Each time there was 3 offences I

727
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,000
was accused of, which was said 
to me by both Maggie and Lenny. 

728
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Look, they'll serve you what I 
call gross misconduct, which 

729
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,960
would each one would have caused
me to lose my job and each one I

730
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,080
would have a dual purpose of 
being an internal investigation 

731
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,120
also would be passed to the 
Crown Prosecution Service. 

732
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,960
So I nearly lost my job on 9 
occasions. 

733
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,880
And also, if I can elaborate at 
some point that there was a 

734
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,880
campaign because I was bringing 
up 4 kids on my own to sort of 

735
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:53,200
undermine my role as a parent. 
This is quite an extraordinary 

736
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,720
interview with John Wedger and 
the key point here is that when 

737
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:03,160
he as a police officer tried to 
expose the institutional abuse 

738
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,200
of children, which included the 
local authorities and so called 

739
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,160
care homes, it was the police 
and those institutions which 

740
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,520
turned on him. 
So what we see is that the whole

741
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,960
structure permitting the abuse 
of children, whether it's via 

742
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,960
Asian gangs or not, the 
structure is the structure of 

743
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,000
abuse. 
And this is so important for 

744
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,960
people to grasp that the rape 
gangs that have been made such a

745
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,520
a a big thing off, particularly 
by Tommy Robinson, are one small

746
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,040
subset of a system which can 
only exist, an abuse system, 

747
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,440
which can only exist by virtue 
of the fact that the 

748
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,280
institutional system, including 
the government, including local 

749
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,920
authorities, including the 
police, is itself corrupt. 

750
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:55,360
So in the just hold it up for 
you. 

751
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,200
This is the actual paper double 
page spread inside on this 

752
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,920
article. 
But of course the Daily Express 

753
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,840
says, well it's only Sadiq Khan 
that's the problem when the 

754
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,960
reality in John Wedger's 
testimony is the whole system, 

755
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,080
including politicians and 
Westminster and the local 

756
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,000
authorities and the police were 
all involved in the cover up of 

757
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,760
child abuse. 
Why? 

758
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,800
Because they are part of that 
abusive system. 

759
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:28,120
Now let's just remind ourselves 
that a couple of days ago I 

760
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,840
highlighted the fact that 
Harriet Harman had been called 

761
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,280
forward to produce a report on 
sexual harassment and abuse 

762
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,480
within the the legal system 
amongst barristers. 

763
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,680
This was the actual BBC report 
where a lady was complaining 

764
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,720
that she'd been molested 
actually by a barrister and 

765
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,840
Baroness Harriet Harman Casey 
had been booked forward in order

766
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,560
to produce a report. 
Now we reminded our audience 

767
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,360
that of course Harman could not 
be considered a safe pair of 

768
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:07,200
hands in any way due to her 
history with history with 

769
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:12,280
support towards the Paedophile 
Information Exchange, where we 

770
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,960
asked very clearly was she a 
safe pair of hands. 

771
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,960
And we pointed out that the 
National Council for Civil Civil

772
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:24,600
Liberties, which she she was 
part of, continued to defend 

773
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,240
having Π as a member. 
And as late as September 1983 

774
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,960
and an NCCL officer was quoted 
in the Daily Mail saying that 

775
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,920
the group was campaigning to 
lower the age of consent to 14. 

776
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,000
Now you've just heard an ex 
policeman, John Wedger speak. 

777
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,120
Let's have a listen to what's 
Bill Maloney, a man who was 

778
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,680
abused in the so called care 
system along with his siblings, 

779
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:58,720
had to say to Harriet Harman. 
Well, I'm going to get the other

780
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,800
side. 
OK, Harriet. 

781
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,360
Right. 
If I can just give you one 

782
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,240
minute. 
We're talking about child abuse.

783
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,160
We're just about to talk to you 
about the cuts and how it's 

784
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,680
going to affect child abuse. 
Harriet, you don't want to talk 

785
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,440
about child abuse. 
I understand that, Harriet. 

786
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,800
But you've got you're here to 
talk to people on the street and

787
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,520
we represent. 
So Harriet Harman doesn't want 

788
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,320
to talk to us about child abuse 
today. 

789
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,520
Say that. 
OK. 

790
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,560
At the moment she doesn't. 
Well, that's what he said to me.

791
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,680
I gave her a chance. 
I gave her a chance. 

792
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,440
Mind your own business. 
Let's go again, let's go again. 

793
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,280
Let's go again. 
Chop, chop. 

794
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,920
You gotta get the face, Get the 
face. 

795
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,920
Harrier That's common assault. 
You'll get arrested for that. 

796
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:50,400
I'm. 
A. 

797
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:57,320
Woman Harrier get on me Harrier.
Harrier. 

798
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,080
I need to pussy on this. 
Harriet, why won't you talk to 

799
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,920
us about child abuse? 
Harrier? 

800
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,480
You're part of the you're part. 
Of the government. 

801
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,240
But don't touch me because 
that's don't you just touch me, 

802
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,160
right? 
So Harriet, you are not Harriet 

803
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,560
is not willing to talk about 
child abuse and what how are the

804
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,280
cuts? 
How are the cuts going to affect

805
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,320
child abuse? 
How are the cuts? 

806
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,000
How are the cuts going to affect
child abuse, Harriet? 

807
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,400
Harriet. 
Harriet. 

808
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,400
Harriet. 
How are the cuts? 

809
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,280
How are the cuts going to affect
child abuse, Harriet, how are 

810
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,120
very sorry? 
She's talking to people who've 

811
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,200
come here. 
So, okay, so Harriots going to 

812
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,160
the police officer here and we 
do carry a press pass and 

813
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:43,080
Harriet Harman does not today 
wish to talk to us about child 

814
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,320
abuse. 
Okay, thank you very much. 

815
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,800
Thank you, officer. 
That was Harriet Harman. 

816
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,280
She didn't want to talk to us 
about child abuse and I think I 

817
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,800
know why. 
In 1978, when she became a 

818
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,280
solicitor, she urged ministers 
to make it legal for people to 

819
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,000
be allowed to take sexually 
explicit images of children. 

820
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,960
And she wanted that to be made 
legal as long as the children in

821
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,760
the images hadn't been harmed or
abused. 

822
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,200
So that's Harriet Harman. 
Harriet Harman was in favour of 

823
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,920
making sexually explicit images 
of children and she urged 

824
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,480
ministers to do that. 
So maybe that's why Harriet 

825
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,760
Harman didn't want to talk to us
about child abuse. 

826
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:31,040
Thank you very much. 
So my question is that if this 

827
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,000
lady's been promoted by the 
government in order to 

828
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,720
investigate abuse, how do how do
they see her? 

829
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:41,040
Now let's have a look at how she
describes herself. 

830
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,240
Well, to win a lifetime 
achievement award in law, it 

831
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:57,920
feels like such an honour and a 
privilege, and even more so to 

832
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,640
be amongst all these women 
who've been nominated for and 

833
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,680
winning awards in every 
different aspect of the law, 

834
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,680
Especially as because it's not 
so long ago that really there 

835
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,480
were hardly any women in the 
law. 

836
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,360
So these women are all inspiring
pioneers. 

837
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,840
So the key point here, and it's 
a very simple point, is if these

838
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,680
are the types of people that are
not only in government, but 

839
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,360
they're helping to control how 
other people are educated and 

840
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,760
trained in serious positions as 
barristers, for example, is it 

841
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,160
any wonder that the country is 
at the point of breakdown? 

842
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:40,840
And if we come, we come back to 
John Wedger there in that expose

843
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,840
article, clearly describing that
the child trafficking system is 

844
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,240
run through government itself. 
We're not talking about an Asian

845
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,680
system. 
We're talking about a system 

846
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,680
that operates and did operate 
through a largely white ruling 

847
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,800
class, both politically and 
through the wider establishment.

848
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,720
We'll discuss this more. 
Over to you, Ben. 

849
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,120
Over to Diane I. 
Think. 

850
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,000
Oh, I beg, I beg your pardon, 
Diane. 

851
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:11,960
I've spoken enough. 
Right. 

852
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,080
Well, no, OK, getting a little 
bit, getting a little bit 

853
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,680
passionate on that one. 
And I think it's justified, 

854
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,080
absolutely. 
It's justified, yes. 

855
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,840
Diane, of course, you're on the 
hot subject of UNESCO and what 

856
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,640
it's up to in its 
indoctrination. 

857
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,080
What's the word indoctrination 
capacity? 

858
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,520
Something like that. 
Yes, I, I would, I mentioned 

859
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,760
last week that I would do some 
more investigation into the 

860
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,200
digital Education Week that took
place in in Paris with UNESCO 

861
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,240
the earlier this month. 
But first I want to go back to 

862
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,440
2023 when this this report was 
published. 

863
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,800
This is called guidance for 
Generative AI in Education and 

864
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,200
Research. 
So this was kind of one of the 

865
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,080
first things that we saw with 
UNESCO trying to look at how AI 

866
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,040
would be used in education. 
So we look at what it said and 

867
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,040
and again, these are all very 
long reports, as is my typical 

868
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,760
habit, I have read these reports
so that nobody else has to and 

869
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,480
what this says for just some 
quotes from a few of these 

870
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,000
reports that I'll go through. 
This says that it is going 

871
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,160
toward a human centred approach 
to the use of generative AI. 

872
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,480
Quote The guidance which is this
policy document which is many 

873
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,520
many pages, stresses the need 
for educational institutions to 

874
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,400
validate generative AI systems 
on their ethical and pedagogical

875
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,040
appropriateness for education. 
It calls on the international 

876
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,600
community to reflect on their 
long term implications for 

877
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,680
knowledge, teaching, learning 
and assessment. 

878
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,480
So this was 2023. 
These tools, the educational 

879
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,800
tools were, were just starting 
to come out. 

880
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,000
So then we come into 2025 where 
they've obviously been doing a 

881
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,920
lot of work for the past two 
years. 

882
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,160
This is the event again that I 
mentioned last week, Digital 

883
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,680
Learning Week 2025, which was 
called AI and the Future of 

884
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,120
Education Disruptions, dilemmas 
and directions. 

885
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,800
So if we just take a little bit 
from the synopsis of this 

886
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,680
Digital Learning week, that is 
from what I just shared in the 

887
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,320
slide, it says that this is 
charting pathways for equitable.

888
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,880
So again, there's that word 
equity, which is not the same as

889
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,080
equality, of course, ethical and
human driven AI integration and 

890
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:32,120
education, ensuring technology 
serves as a force for inclusive 

891
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,480
progress. 
So there's that word inclusive 

892
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,880
once again. 
We see these words over and over

893
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,280
again as when we look at 
globalist language around 

894
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,480
education, which of course ties 
to Agenda 2030 and the 

895
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,880
Sustainable Development Goals. 
So if we go on from there, I, I 

896
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,680
want to talk a little bit about 
the opening session. 

897
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:55,600
So this this is an AI generated 
image of of this lady here. 

898
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,720
Her name is Stefania Giannini. 
She is the assistant director 

899
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:02,920
general for education at UNESCO.
When she opened the conference 

900
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,960
on the 2nd of September, it was 
live streamed that it's now 

901
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,880
available on YouTube. 
If you want to watch the whole 

902
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,680
thing. 
She starts with a sort of AI 

903
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,840
image of herself with her voice 
in the background and sort of 

904
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,760
opening up and saying AI has 
become a new actor and it's the 

905
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,840
future of education. 
It's disruptive. 

906
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,640
And then suddenly by somehow 
some sort of miracle, Stefania 

907
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,200
herself, the actual person, 
walks out on the stage. 

908
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,920
So how about that? 
That was surprising. 

909
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,600
She makes a joke about how that 
AI Stefania was really the real 

910
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,880
Stefania and she was just the 
fake one, the real 1. 

911
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,360
So there's our inversion of 
language once again. 

912
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,160
And she goes on to give a speech
about talking about the use of 

913
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,520
AI in education. 
So I just want to read a little 

914
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,120
bit of what is essentially the 
transcript from part of this 

915
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,400
talk. 
And she says, for example, let's

916
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,240
meet a student. 
Cristiano is a secondary school 

917
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:57,520
student in Ghana. 
His school uses Rory, which is 

918
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,120
an AI tutor on WhatsApp. 
And Cristiano can ask questions 

919
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,840
at any time in his only 
language, which is, which is a 

920
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,360
very important, not obvious 
point. 

921
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,840
And for the first time, we can 
say a student has something like

922
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,760
a private tutor in his pocket. 
This is a revolution, really. 

923
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,120
Now move to Princeton and meet 
Professor Bernard. 

924
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,600
He is a colleague teaching 
history of science. 

925
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,600
He actually asked his students 
to use AI on a test and the 

926
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,240
system could analyse arguments, 
connect different ideas, all the

927
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,760
dots through history and 
society, and also engage in what

928
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,680
I would define as a Socratic 
dialogue interaction with the 

929
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,960
students. 
He described this experience 

930
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,840
quoting his words. 
Exhilarating, terrifying, even 

931
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,240
sublime. 
So she goes on to give these 

932
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:46,480
examples and talks about how AI 
is this major disruptor in 

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00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,120
education and what it's going to
do. 

934
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,600
And so it, it raises a lot of 
questions which I will continue 

935
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,120
to investigate. 
The obvious one first of all for

936
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,800
me is what are teachers for? 
What is the point of the teacher

937
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,480
if AI is going to be in the 
student's pocket or professors 

938
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,400
are asking students to use AI to
actually do their exams? 

939
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,840
Well, there's a, a couple of 
ideas about this. 

940
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,720
One is that, and I experienced 
this myself before I left the 

941
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:18,240
education sector, is that the 
idea is that AI is apparently 

942
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:19,760
going to take over the easy 
stuff. 

943
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,320
So teachers teaching facts, for 
example, is going to be taken 

944
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,080
over by AI to allow teachers to 
do. 

945
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,800
And this is actually in some of 
the policy documents that I've 

946
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,120
got coming up next. 
If we look at these next very 

947
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,920
long policy documents that were 
published just this year, AI and

948
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,640
the future of education 
disruptions, dilemmas and 

949
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,000
directions. 
So this is a very long book with

950
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
several chapters written by 
different people. 

951
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,120
What does this say in it? 
It says, well, for example, 

952
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,320
shaping the use of AI in 
education through collective 

953
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,240
dialogue. 
So in the introduction, this is 

954
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,400
it says that it explores the 
philosophical, ethical and 

955
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,200
pedagogical dilemmas posed by 
destructive influence of AI in 

956
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,560
education, bringing together 
insights from global thinkers, 

957
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,680
leaders and change makers. 
The collection challenges 

958
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,120
assumptions, surfaces frictions,
provokes, provokes contestation 

959
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,360
and sparks audacious new visions
for equitable. 

960
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,320
There's that word again, 
Equitable human machine Co 

961
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,360
creation. 
So now we're starting to see 

962
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,280
humans and machines working 
together. 

963
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,320
We're this is not a teacher and 
a student. 

964
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,000
This is not students working 
together. 

965
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,040
This is machine and people 
working together for equitable 

966
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,040
Co creation, creating together 
with machines. 

967
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,000
So what does that sound like? 
Does that sound like 

968
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,240
transhumanism? 
Potentially We can leave it 

969
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:38,960
there with that topic, but what 
it does say is that teachers are

970
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,280
going to be used for human 
development relating to 

971
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,520
students. 
This involves of course the 

972
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,560
topic of social emotional 
learning, which needs to be a 

973
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,040
few other segments I think I 
will need to do in the future. 

974
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,080
But essentially social emotional
learning is one of the things 

975
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,680
that we are fighting against in 
curriculums across the West, 

976
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,560
which involves these 5 main 
points, self awareness, self 

977
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,120
management, social awareness, 
relationship skills and 

978
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,000
responsible decision making. 
So now teachers are taking over 

979
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,000
the things that really parents 
should probably be doing and not

980
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,440
necessarily being left up to the
schools. 

981
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,000
They also put one other document
that they produced for the, I 

982
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,840
guess the results of this 
conference or before this 

983
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,280
conference is called AI in 
education Protecting the rights 

984
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,960
of learners. 
This says that they are 

985
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,160
safeguarding the right to 
education in the digital era. 

986
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,880
Quote, the rapid digitalization 
of education accelerated by the 

987
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,560
COVID-19 pandemic. 
So there's that again. 

988
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,840
And the development of 
generative artificial 

989
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,320
intelligence is reshaping 
education and learning. 

990
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,480
These advancements also come 
with challenges, including the 

991
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,400
risks of exacerbating existing 
inequalities, privacy and safety

992
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,000
concerns, and emerging issues 
relating to ethics, governance. 

993
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,000
And there's that word again, 
equity. 

994
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,920
This report emphasises that all 
efforts must prioritise a human 

995
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,080
centred and rights based use of 
digital technology to benefit 

996
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,680
all learners. 
Now what I will say about the 

997
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,680
idea of right to education, on 
the surface of course that 

998
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,680
sounds fabulous. 
Of course we want children to 

999
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,600
have whatever education they 
need. 

1000
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,680
But when we look at things like 
the UN Convention on the Rights 

1001
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,120
of the Child, it basically gives
children, it does give children 

1002
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,800
the same rights as adults, which
could then lead to things like 

1003
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,560
consent to viewing inappropriate
content, looking at, you know, 

1004
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,240
the sexualisation of children 
potentially, you know, child 

1005
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,120
abuse, sexual child abuse. 
And that opens it up because 

1006
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,160
children have the same right to 
do whatever adults do according 

1007
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,600
to this particular piece of 
documentation. 

1008
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,320
So we need to continue to look 
at this. 

1009
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,080
Diane, thank you very much. 
And we've got a little bit of 

1010
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,840
amusement to end on. 
Thankfully, I think we need it 

1011
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,760
today. 
This was an article that was in 

1012
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,440
BBC Earth. 
It was published on the 5th of 

1013
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,800
September and I put this on my 
Facebook page a few days ago and

1014
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,520
it's created quite a bit of 
discussion from some of the UK 

1015
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,880
column audience that follow me 
on Facebook. 

1016
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,560
The, The article is titled How 
Eating insects became a 

1017
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,840
Conspiracy Theory. 
And so it, the, the headline 

1018
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,240
underneath that sort of the sub 
headline secondary headline says

1019
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,760
insect protein is healthy and 
sustainable, but it is now also 

1020
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,520
at the centre of a far reaching 
conspiracy theory. 

1021
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,760
So if they're staying on the one
hand, it's healthy and 

1022
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,800
sustainable, but it's also part 
of a conspiracy theory, which is

1023
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,680
the case. 
And what's really interesting 

1024
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,280
about this article, it's quite 
long and I would encourage 

1025
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,480
people to look at it themselves 
because there's too much that we

1026
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,760
can, we can't discuss here at 
our time left. 

1027
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,000
But it does talk about the World
Economic Forum and the Great 

1028
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,680
Reset, which they claim in the 
article was an effort to reduce 

1029
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,360
global inequality and advanced 
environmental initiatives during

1030
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,200
the COVID-19 pandemic. 
So whatever they were doing 

1031
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,840
while we were locked up in our 
houses. 

1032
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,240
But to conspiracy theorists, 
they say it was proof that they 

1033
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,760
were trying to use the pandemic 
as a way to reorganise society, 

1034
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,120
according to the ADL Centre on 
Extremism. 

1035
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,400
And it goes on to say that the 
WF did in fact publish an 

1036
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,360
article saying that insects are 
more sustainable than meat, both

1037
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,280
in terms of tackling climate 
change and food insecurity. 

1038
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,200
And it goes on to explain from 
Professor Steven Lewandowski 

1039
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,040
from the University of Bristol 
how to fight conspiracy 

1040
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,280
theories. 
And that I've read a lot by him.

1041
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,000
He's a professor of cognitive 
science. 

1042
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,840
And what he said was to the 
advice to people is that you 

1043
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,480
have to keep pushing your 
family. 

1044
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,200
So he said, quote, you're not 
going to be successful if you 

1045
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,120
say, Uncle Bruce, you're crazy. 
Don't believe this utter 

1046
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,640
nonsense. 
But instead, you can ask what 

1047
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,200
functions your beliefs serve and
why are you believing this. 

1048
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,960
And he says it's not the kind of
thing that you can do over a 

1049
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,840
single dinner conversation, 
apparently. 

1050
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,520
So I think some people might 
have some workout for them if 

1051
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,000
they have an Uncle Bruce who is 
a conspiracy theorist. 

1052
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:53,200
So there's some tips for you. 
OK, Joanne, thank you very much 

1053
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,520
for that. 
We're going to leave our viewers

1054
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:01,760
today with a lovely image which 
you took countryside into the 

1055
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,600
far, far distance. 
Just a quick description, Diane.

1056
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,240
Yeah, this is Heartside Pass, 
sort of up here in the north of 

1057
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,000
England. 
I didn't take the soda, but I 

1058
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,320
took one very similar to it. 
But the weather was terrible 

1059
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,840
when I was up there yesterday. 
But it's over 1900 feet. 

1060
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,720
You can see the Lake District. 
You can see the Solway for if 

1061
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,200
you can maybe see South of 
Scotland and it's very high and 

1062
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,200
very beautiful. 
And yesterday was very cold and 

1063
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,000
windy. 
But I just want to say a 

1064
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,400
reminder to our viewers to get 
out there and enjoy nature and 

1065
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,000
just remember that the world is 
out there for you to explore and

1066
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,440
enjoy and, and not to get 
yourself too caught up into all 

1067
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,600
of this because it's best for 
all of us if we have a little 

1068
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,080
bit of a break now and then. 
Brilliant. 

1069
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,320
Thank you very much for that, 
Joanne. 

1070
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,360
Thank you also, Ben. 
And I'll just end by saying that

1071
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,160
if you're one of the, we'll say,
the million people who turned up

1072
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,720
in London to demonstrate about 
things, you're concerned about 

1073
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,400
what's happening to your 
country. 

1074
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,400
Well done and a special well 
done. 

1075
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,440
If you were there and enjoyed a 
social day with people in a well

1076
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,760
behaved way. 
And I'm sure that was 99.99% of 

1077
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,680
those present. 
So we'll end on that positive 

1078
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,560
note for members of UK column. 
We'll be back for UK column 

1079
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,960
extra in a few moments. 
For everybody else that's joined

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01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,160
us for the news, thank you so 
much. 

1081
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,800
Share our material and we'll be 
back with another news on 

1082
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,880
Wednesday at 1. 
See you then. 

1083
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:31,480
Bye bye.