1 00:00:08,140 --> 00:00:10,940 Hello everyone, this is Diane Rasmussen Mccarry with UK 2 00:00:10,940 --> 00:00:12,980 Column. I'm really happy to be joined 3 00:00:12,980 --> 00:00:16,420 today by Louise Payton. She is a registered nurse as 4 00:00:16,420 --> 00:00:18,140 well as a holistic health practitioner. 5 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:21,020 I first met with her at the Thetford Truth and Freedom 6 00:00:21,020 --> 00:00:23,220 Festival that I attended a couple of weeks ago. 7 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:26,860 Louise, welcome to UK Column. It's really again great to have 8 00:00:26,860 --> 00:00:28,500 you here today. Do you maybe want to tell us a 9 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:30,060 little bit more about yourself please? 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,760 Hello, Thank you so much for inviting me, Diane, and it was 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,680 lovely to meet you. Yeah, so I've been nursing 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,800 qualified in 1982. I did nursing auxiliary work 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:47,680 before that from 1978. And so, you know, well over 40 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,200 years of nursing, I've seen a lot of changes. 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,080 I've worked in a lot of different places, hospitals, 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:58,920 community hospitals, care homes, prison work and I currently do a 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,640 home based telephone clinician job giving advice and clinical 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,600 triage to a variety of different companies. 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,000 I seen so many changes in nursing in that time, not 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,040 necessarily for the better. I started doing complementary 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:21,760 therapies in the mid 90s. So again, alongside the nursing, 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:27,920 I have always had an interest in natural medicine and now leading 23 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,280 towards my retirement from nursing, I would just want to 24 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,800 focus more on complementary alternative holistic therapies 25 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,160 and my artwork that I do. So it's been quite a journey, 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,600 quite buried. I've learned a lot of things, a 27 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,600 lot of therapies, and yeah, it's been quite a journey. 28 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,440 Certainly sounds like it. Where did you do your training? 29 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:55,320 The nurse training was in Royal Tunbridge Wells very because I 30 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,880 started off at the West Suffolk Hospital. 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,920 But when I went to do my training I went to Royal 32 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,840 Tunbridge Wells and we did part of our training at the Kenton 33 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,160 Sussex Hospital and part at Pembrey Hospital. 34 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,680 I believe that may well have changed now, but that's what it 35 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,640 was like back in 1980 etcetera. And there were some very old 36 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:18,320 fashioned strict Nightingale wards there on, on some of the 37 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,240 the places that we worked with very, very extremely strict 38 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,800 sisters that I have to say the strange thing was because I was 39 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,920 always good at doing what I was told. 40 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,120 Excuse me. And on those strictest wards 41 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,280 where you could literally hear a pin drop, I got the most glowing 42 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,360 reports having done three months on each of those units. 43 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,160 So the training was quite tough actually. 44 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,040 I remember writing letters back to my old colleagues and saying 45 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,640 oh it's really tough, but I got through it and I learned a lot. 46 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,120 I don't think the training is quite like that these days. 47 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,080 But it was a very rewarding, interesting sort of journey 48 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,720 again. And you learnt straight, 49 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,400 straight off the off the bat really. 50 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,280 You kind of did six weeks training three months on a year 51 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,320 on a ward. You go back to study blocks, but 52 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,200 a lot of your time was hands on doing the work right from the 53 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,280 start and if you didn't like that in the first few weeks, 54 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,920 there were some that left they would know straight away. 55 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,160 Plus I'd had about 18 months experience working with elderly 56 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,280 before I even applied to do my nurse training where I was even 57 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,760 doing last offices on patients at 18 years old. 58 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,800 So, and you had the, the training in the hospital even 59 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,720 for that, you know, being, being a, they call them care 60 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,840 assistants now, but they've been nursing auxiliaries back then. 61 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,800 So what do you think are some of the differences? 62 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,320 And from our previous discussion, it sounds like 63 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,880 they're quite significant, the difference between what you 64 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,480 experienced when you were training compared to what 65 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,480 today's new nurses are are doing in their training. 66 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,560 I've been, I understand. Well, it's all degree based now. 67 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,400 It's very academic. And I don't know what their 68 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,680 syllabus cried to, you know, if the training is now, but I know 69 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,600 that because it's more like degree academic based. 70 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,800 And I find a lot of nurses newly qualified, they want to go on to 71 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,800 other roles completely. They don't actually want to be 72 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,720 the nurse on the floor as it used to be. 73 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,360 They want to go straight to management that that's their 74 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,000 whole aim because of like the the career advancements that 75 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,120 there are. They want to go to jobs that 76 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,240 aren't hands on at all. Even when I did 111, I was still 77 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,040 working in care homes as well. And there were nurses there that 78 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,280 had literally just qualified. And to me, I just, I thought 79 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:55,880 that's why would you do your training and then and then do 80 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,560 that. So the training that I believe 81 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,000 it's their second year of training that they actually go 82 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,240 on the ward for the first time. So it does attract a different 83 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:13,960 culture of nurses. I just think it's a different, 84 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,200 it's a different ball game now and it does attract a different 85 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,760 type of person. But where we used to think of 86 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:25,240 the actual nurse really hands on and it was, you know, really 87 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,880 good basic nursing care, etcetera and assisting doctors 88 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,360 and things with certain procedures, nurses nowadays do 89 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,440 do a lot more extended nurse roles and procedures than they 90 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:42,120 did when I first qualified. So sometimes you would have the 91 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,080 the junior doctors or you know, the houseman doctors in the 92 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,280 hospital would come and do certain procedures. 93 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:51,120 But now nursing staff do those procedures. 94 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,160 And also the difference I suppose is I haven't actually 95 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,440 worked in a hospital for many, many years, but I know staffing 96 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,360 levels have changed. All sorts of things have 97 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:07,160 changed. And going into care homes years 98 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:12,680 ago, they were, they were like care of the elderly were quite 99 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,880 able. They they weren't really poorly. 100 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,520 Whereas what's happened to all of those really poorly people 101 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,800 would be nursed in hospitals. And there were different kind of 102 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,960 grades of what were called geriatric units, rehabilitation, 103 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,840 long stay, acute, all of these things. 104 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,800 Well, then they all seemed to get shipped out into the 105 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,080 community into care homes. So the care homes and went from 106 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,600 like 15 bedded beautifully run places to these giant 60 bedded 107 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:47,200 unit, 60 bedded nursing homes with really complex needs of the 108 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:53,400 patients and quite often just one nurse either per unit or one 109 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,000 nurse in the whole home. And increasingly what's happened 110 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,560 with that as well is that not only did that did these people 111 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,440 go into nursing homes, the management started to introduce 112 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,040 non clinical managers. In residential homes that wasn't 113 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,960 so bad, but in nursing homes, I thought that that just doesn't 114 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,120 work in my opinion. And increasingly you can be 115 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,960 working at a nursing home with really complex needs, patients 116 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,200 or residents and the manager is non clinical. 117 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,080 And if you're the only nurse on or the only nurse on that shift, 118 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,800 you you've got no support or backup. 119 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,520 That, that's very interesting to hear about because it kind of 120 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,240 reflects some of the things that I've heard about it. 121 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,040 But other people's recent experiences in hospitals and 122 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,680 care settings and not being able to get whatever it is that they 123 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,600 need or to, you know, to sort of wait for hours for any, any sort 124 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:56,120 of assistance for anyone to come into the room, whether it's a a 125 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,440 fully qualified registered nurse or even just a basic care worker 126 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,440 to bring them a glass of water. Is that some things that you've 127 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:04,760 heard as well? Yeah. 128 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:09,160 So, so the the other thing to mention is that years ago the 129 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,080 the staffing levels were much higher and patients, you could 130 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,080 take them out for walks in the local park and things like that. 131 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,760 It was, it was a pleasure and they were really well looked 132 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,560 after. And then with this increase in 133 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,920 numbers, it's all these big corporate companies opening care 134 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,840 homes. They designed the care homes 135 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,400 that seem to be for anything other than nursing. 136 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,640 There never seems to be enough space to use manual handling 137 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,960 equipment, etcetera. And and they all look very nice 138 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,120 and showy in reception. They say, oh, was this a 139 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,640 beautiful new home, You think? Well, working in it and living 140 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,760 in it for the residents, I'm not so sure. 141 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,920 And the staffing levels have just been slashed. 142 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,960 I mean, they seem to be ever decreasing and money and 143 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,880 everything. So equipment and money, sorry, 144 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,760 the money for the equipment and the staffing levels have just 145 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,160 decreased so much that the quality of care tends to be 146 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,200 lacking. There are some amazing care 147 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,800 assistants, but what makes it very difficult is the staffing 148 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,360 levels. And also there seems to be this, 149 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,560 if you can't get a job anywhere else or just go and get a care 150 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:22,440 assistant job, and they do tend to take on anybody and that 151 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,600 doesn't always work. And it makes it very difficult 152 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,160 for nurses that are very nursing care assistants that are very 153 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,640 dedicated to their work and work very hard. 154 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,920 But you physically can't go and answer a bell when you're in the 155 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,840 middle of attending to a patient with complex needs, even from a 156 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,320 basic care point of view. And if they don't put on staff 157 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,040 to do that, you can literally be 12 hours on a on a shift and 158 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,640 there are bells going constantly. 159 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,160 And then they get complaints and and that what can the staff do 160 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,560 or say? They physically can't drop 161 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:59,800 someone and go and then spend another 20 minutes attending to 162 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,840 the person calling a bell and then someone else rings. 163 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:12,040 You know, it's it's not money. But I mean, the reality is 164 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,000 they're physically is not the staff to go around. 165 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,320 They just won't allocate them. And then, yeah, I mean, I could 166 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:22,360 talk to ages about that really. But I mean, yeah, the staffing 167 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,240 levels are just not a not, not adequate at all. 168 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,480 And often the equipment, you know, that they say you can have 169 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,680 one hand towel and something else to go and do a bed bath 170 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:34,400 with somebody. And I'm scratching my head 171 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,080 thinking how on earth are you supposed to do a bed bath and 172 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,840 attend to somebody's needs with that? 173 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:47,360 And, and I think is this the level of nursing care it's 174 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,040 become? It's, it's really concerning. 175 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,560 And I feel so sorry for the residents. 176 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:56,600 It's soul destroying having to work in places like that for 177 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,360 the, for the residents. That's the reason we're they're 178 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,800 going there. And it's just very hard to work 179 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,360 in those conditions And management don't want to know. 180 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,920 It's all just money, budget, profit margins. 181 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,760 They're just corporate businesses. 182 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,520 So what do the professional bodies have to say about this 183 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,960 related to nurses? Have they made any statements or 184 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,600 or done any advocacy work on behalf of the nurses? 185 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,360 I, I don't know, I haven't mainly looked in in into that 186 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,600 they, they, they say they have, you know, they'll have risk 187 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:33,400 assessments and criterias for staffing ratios of patients. 188 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,080 But on paper you can make things look, yes, that makes sense. 189 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,880 But in practicality, certain residents need a higher level of 190 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:46,160 care and the layout of the home, all sorts of reasons why that 191 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,240 actually doesn't necessarily work. 192 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,640 So they can manipulate the numbers and say, well, you've 193 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,120 got three staff on the floor downstairs, but we only need 2 194 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,600 upstairs. And then when a fuss is made, 195 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,640 they say, all right, well, we're borrowed from the one downstairs 196 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,000 to go up. And you think, well, now you've 197 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,640 just moved the problem robbing Peter to play Paul. 198 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,800 And they, they would justify it saying, well, officially this is 199 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,840 the ratio that you need. It's, it's all approved that 200 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,120 that's OK. And I think, well, I don't know 201 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,640 who makes those decisions because on the floor it doesn't 202 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,640 really work. So you mentioned this issue of 203 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,880 the the businesses taking over and obviously any business needs 204 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,000 to make money and that's completely fair. 205 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,880 But what do you see happening in, in terms of like, you know, 206 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,920 it sounds like they're definitely putting profits way 207 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,600 ahead of the people that they're meant to take care of. 208 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,120 Do you know any more about that? I don't know going forwards 209 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,600 what, what the plan is apart from turning into way I, but I, 210 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,560 I, the old homes often used to be privately run homes with 15 211 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,080 beds, 12 to 15 beds. And they, they were absolutely 212 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,680 amazing. And then now it's a business and 213 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:07,880 so big companies and businesses buy or, or or have these nursing 214 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:14,120 homes built and for them it all works out fine because and of 215 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,800 course the residents or the families have to pay huge 216 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,040 amount, ridiculous amounts of money. 217 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,160 I mean, you know, absolutely astronomical fees. 218 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,760 And then you've got bells ringing. 219 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:33,000 The staff can't get to you. I mean, I don't know what 220 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,680 they're going to do going forwards. 221 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,920 I know sort of in some parts of nursing they really are trying 222 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,600 to change things to AI. Well, as far as I know, ChatGPT 223 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,160 can't change bed sheets or bathe someone, if that makes any 224 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,840 difference at all. But I could. 225 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,800 I do understand. I can see that coming because I 226 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,040 know that in recent years there's been, as you'll know 227 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:00,280 this better than me, likely the GPS and other medical workers 228 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,640 have resorted to just sort of Googling things just the same 229 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,000 way that individuals could, you know, And I've seen my own GP do 230 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,240 this in the past where I came in with a concern and she typed it 231 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,880 into Google to see what, you know, what I should do or one of 232 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,520 the things that's made me kind of lose faith in the, the system 233 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,840 in general. But I can certainly see where 234 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,080 you're going with the, the idea about AI as well as I've also 235 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,840 known as well, coming from the university system that I've 236 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,720 worked at universities that had nursing schools where they were 237 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,360 doing degrees in nursing to sort of get their, their 238 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,960 qualification, usually an undergrad degree or something 239 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,920 like that. And one of the things that I'd 240 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,960 heard about at these universities is that some of 241 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,520 the, the students in their first year or so of their studies 242 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,760 would not, as you said, not have access to actual patients. 243 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,880 But some of them even had simulators where they were 244 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,960 working on, you know, pretend bodies to, to learn how to do 245 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,120 procedures. Now, you know, if we take that 246 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,280 into consideration with any profession where someone is 247 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,160 hands on with someone, even something like hair styling, for 248 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,960 example, I would not want someone who to, to cut my hair 249 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,760 who had only read about cutting hair or had pretended to cut 250 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,720 hair. And it's just as it's even more 251 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,240 serious with nursing, of course, because you're talking about 252 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,040 people's licence and safety that are in danger. 253 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,400 So I think that's that's a really, really important point 254 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,560 to bring out if that makes sense to. 255 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,680 You when I trained, yeah, yeah. Every procedure is your first. 256 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,720 You know, there's a first time for all of them, but you have to 257 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,200 get on to it. You'll have been in study proc, 258 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,080 you'd have been shown, demonstrated, you know, 259 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,600 etcetera. And then you might shadow 260 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,840 somebody doing a procedure on the ward. 261 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:52,320 And then they say, OK, it's your turn now and you do it, you 262 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,800 know, probably under supervision. 263 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,800 You know, you do have exams to do, aseptic technique, you know, 264 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:03,120 or the practical exams you have to do where you were assessed. 265 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,000 And they would just ask permission of the patient at the 266 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,640 time. And then you carry on from 267 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,960 there. Never did anything on a dummy. 268 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,760 And. Well, yeah, the other thing I 269 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,480 was going to say about just going back to the care homes is 270 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,680 that the medications just generally and hospitals and care 271 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,920 homes was the medications. When I started, you would have a 272 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,920 trolley that just lifted up a lid and you would do the drug 273 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,320 round. It probably didn't take too 274 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,760 long. And then the most I've seen on 275 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,280 one patient these days is 18 mass charts. 276 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,720 They're A4 pages of medications with 18 mass charts. 277 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,080 Now, the drug rounds are trolleys that you have to crawl 278 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,880 right down to the floor, right up from your shoulder height 279 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,200 down to the floor to get to all the medications. 280 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,000 And they can take 3 to 4 hours per drug round. 281 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,600 And you're doing at least three of those a day, if not 4, 282 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,400 depending on the length of your shift. 283 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,400 And on top of that, you're having to deal with emergencies, 284 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,760 staff care planning, documentation, phone calls, 285 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:17,880 dressings, wound care procedures, all sorts of manner 286 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,240 of things. But the and all these patients 287 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,760 are just filled with medications that they're taking X number of 288 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,960 medications for the side effects of the first medications that 289 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,480 that the list gets so long of the side effects it's worse than 290 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,360 the problem they had in the first place. 291 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,280 That's, that's really shocking. I mean, I've heard a bit about 292 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,200 this before, of course, that people sort of get the side 293 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,320 effects then they, they take something to counter side 294 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,080 effects, but something like 18 medications and and still be 295 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,560 alive after putting that which into your body every day is, is 296 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,000 really quite astonishing. And I would imagine as well that 297 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,320 that considering all of the different distractions and 298 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,680 demands that that the nurses have on their time, that that 299 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,680 also increases the the possibility that they could 300 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,040 create errors in medications and give them the wrong dose or miss 301 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,720 a dose or something like that. Absolutely. 302 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,120 And this was the the contradiction that we would have 303 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,160 certain, you know, they'd have to have audits every week and 304 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,360 any drug errors would come up and then they would clamp down 305 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:28,560 the nurses. You must not be distract 306 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,760 distracted doing your drug round. 307 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,720 Do you think when you're telling me I have to answer the phones? 308 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,800 Well, don't answer the phone that would last for about half a 309 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,160 day. So they would say don't be 310 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,160 distracted. You'd have care assistants come 311 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,880 up and say, well, they'd want you for things, various things 312 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,280 that were minor things that didn't need to, you didn't need 313 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,880 to be interrupted for if it was an emergency, fine. 314 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,440 But they often would come to you for things that they really, 315 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,160 really didn't need to disturb you for. 316 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,040 And that is a complete distraction when you're 317 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,960 calculating and counting out, because you have to count every 318 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,640 medication, you have to log it. You know, it can be quite 319 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,400 complicated doing the drop round, to be honest. 320 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:11,880 And, and so you would get all these constant distractions and 321 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,600 it was impossible to do around without them. 322 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,360 And so then they would say to the nurse, well, you mustn't be 323 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:18,960 distracted. And then they say, why didn't 324 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,480 you speak to so and so about that? 325 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,920 Why didn't you take that call? Because you told me not to be 326 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,480 distracted. Well, you have to do that as 327 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:25,880 well. And it was like, well, which do 328 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,320 you want? You can't do better. 329 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,680 And and so drug errors will happen. 330 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,320 The stress levels go up with the concentration. 331 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,000 It's you've got to deal with drop doctors round. 332 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:41,320 Sometimes they just come unannounced and you're just 333 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:46,680 expected to drop everything. There's, you know, you'd have to 334 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,080 do catheterizations, you have to do procedures, you have to do 335 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,600 dressings, obviously. It's kind of like trying to work 336 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,920 out your time with that to a certain extent that you've got, 337 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,000 you've got the patients have got meals, they've got to be cared 338 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,040 for as well. So you've got to liaise 339 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,640 everything. You're sort of clock watching 340 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,640 every single minute of the entire shift trying to work out 341 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,400 how everything's going to unfold. 342 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,200 And it's like learn to dance on the moving carpet because it's 343 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,960 changes all the time. There aren't planned times, you 344 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,320 have to just roll with what's happening at the time. 345 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,720 And I, and I think you said something to me before about the 346 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,680 attitude that family members and carers have had toward nurses as 347 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,720 well as has changed over time. What is that in relation to? 348 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,320 Having respect for nurses and and how they're treated. 349 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,960 Oh, all right. Well, maybe not so much the 350 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,560 relatives. Usually they are are OK and you 351 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,400 do explain things well to the paper. 352 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,680 The relatives that they're normally absolutely fine. 353 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:54,320 It's it's some of the culture of the care assistants they take 354 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,280 on. I don't know whether it's a 355 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,520 younger generation thing. Possibly. 356 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,280 It seems like they've never been told the word no or maybe any 357 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,960 discipline. Maybe it's because I'm just so 358 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,000 old school, but they have absolute, you know, respect for 359 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,240 nurses whatsoever. Some of them. 360 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:14,840 Some of them, absolutely. And what do we know about some 361 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,680 of the training of of some of the carers because it sounds 362 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,400 like that's of great concern as well? 363 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,360 Yes, everyone's supposed to be manual handling trained and that 364 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:28,680 should be several days long. And after that you, we all of us 365 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,840 have to have refreshers every year for manual handling 366 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,960 updates. And the number of times I've 367 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:40,160 been on the update and they've got brand new carers in there 368 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,640 just for about four hours doing an update, but they've never 369 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,680 done the actual full training. And then they're signed off to 370 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:52,160 go and work in the care home. As for basic nursing care, I, I 371 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,880 don't think there is any training in the actual care 372 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:01,080 homes and the hospitals you'd have that they probably just 373 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,840 shadow with someone. It's that, you know, if they're 374 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,240 not taught absolutely from the start, then they're, they're, 375 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:13,800 they're shown substandard levels of care to start with, so they 376 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,960 don't know any better. So then that would obviously I 377 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,040 guess result in the potential to a lot of dangers for the 378 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,240 patients or the the residents in the care homes. 379 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:29,560 Yeah, accidents are accidents are more likely to happen and 380 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,440 indeed they do happen. If people haven't take due care 381 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,600 with an elderly resident with very fragile skin and they're in 382 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,000 a wheelchair and they've been mobilised somewhere else and 383 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,440 transferred from that wheelchair. 384 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,240 You've got the footplates to come up etcetera and everything. 385 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,240 And they might be going into transport for a hospital 386 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,960 appointment and back or something. 387 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,880 And they haven't protected their legs properly and they're just 388 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,480 quickly flipping up these things and transferring them. 389 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,560 And they've come back with the most awful skin tear wounds that 390 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,680 we then on top of everything else, have to do. 391 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,160 All the documentation on that, adhere to it all, you know, all 392 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,360 the dressing protocols and paperwork to go with that. 393 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,160 The fact that that patient's now got an injury that's been 394 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:24,760 inflicted by the staff that could have been avoided if if 395 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,040 they're sorry, if it could have been avoided if they'd really 396 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:33,400 taken that much care. Because yeah, that would happen 397 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,760 quite, quite often. And then people, I mean, a long 398 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,680 time ago, I worked in a Community Hospital as an agency 399 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,520 nurse. And I was doing a night shift. 400 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,280 And I think they were so short staffed, I didn't have a care 401 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,840 assistant with me for the whole unit. 402 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,000 And they had this young girl that was not even a care 403 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,120 assistant, shall we say, working with me. 404 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:02,960 I wasn't happy. I, my hands were tied. 405 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,360 I couldn't walk out on the shift. 406 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:09,960 I was the only person there and I was an agency nurse and I 407 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,080 just, I thought they said there was nothing else they could do. 408 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,800 So in that shift there was a couple of side rooms and you'd 409 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,720 have what they call these bed rail cot sides, things that 410 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,800 you'd have to risk assessments for to use and everything how 411 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,320 you remember whether they had the sides or what maybe that 412 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,720 person didn't have sides maybe. But to help we have to do term 413 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,880 people and reposition them and for ground to do and etcetera at 414 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,960 the end of the night shift. And this girl took it upon 415 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:50,800 herself to go and turn this lady in the side room on her own and 416 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,320 didn't. You can't do that on your own. 417 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,040 And she pulled the sheets and the patient rolled out the other 418 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,680 side of the bed and cracked their head. 419 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,880 Blood absolutely everywhere. Heads complete a lot. 420 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,560 But I mean, there was like 2 white sheets, completely red. 421 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,160 And I was still cleaning that up top of everything, you know, 422 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,920 obviously looked off the patient to get them back and patch that 423 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,520 up. And the day stuff started to 424 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,800 come in and then what on earth has happened? 425 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,720 It was just this blood everywhere in this absolute 426 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,560 carnage. It's just horrendous. 427 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,920 And you know, it's like, well, I asked you not to leave me with, 428 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,720 with a care assistant. I cannot be responsible for her 429 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,480 everywhere she goes. I didn't ask her to do that. 430 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,840 And this is what's happened. And I was there an hour and a 431 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,240 half after my shift finishing up everything and documenting it 432 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,440 and all the rest of it. So I mean, that was just, that 433 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,760 was just horrendous. And another thing that you've 434 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,040 mentioned as well to me in previous conversations is, is 435 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,920 the the people coming in from other countries to work in these 436 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,120 settings. What can you tell us about that? 437 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,400 I guess there's been a lot of nurses that didn't qualify in 438 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,680 the UK for their degrees and and there's been some questions 439 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,360 about their ability to do the job here correctly. 440 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,400 Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of Filipino nurses came over years 441 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,600 ago and they're very hard working. 442 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,760 And and then I don't know, more recently was that a lot of 443 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,440 Romanian nurses and that come over and I was in one home where 444 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,560 I was the only English nurse and I had Filipinos against the 445 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:39,080 Romanians, the same home. But, but I think in that same 446 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,320 home, the, the worse and shall we say, and another home as 447 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,360 well. Actually, they hadn't actually 448 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,840 got their registration through in the UK and they were 449 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,680 practising and they were nursing and they were cutting corners 450 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,800 and not doing things quite right. 451 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,440 And one home, I did actually say, look, this is completely 452 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,880 unacceptable and you're putting, they're putting my PIN at risk 453 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,160 and the management would do nothing, absolutely nothing. 454 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,320 And now you said there's some investigations going on about 455 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,480 some Nigerian nurses. Is that what you said to me 456 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,200 before as well? I think, I think the Guardian, 457 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,960 as we saw it online had had said that there was an investigation 458 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,440 into 700 Nigerian nurses that possibly had faked their 459 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,440 qualifications in Nigeria to to come over. 460 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,360 But what's kind of alarming with that is with some of the triage 461 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:42,160 calls that I do, some of them are NHS authorities and I do get 462 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:53,200 a lot of foreign nurses phone in for triage and their their 463 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,480 communications. I mean, their communication 464 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,800 skills are just so poor that you just how do they manage on the 465 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,600 ward? Have they managed doing drug 466 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,320 calculations and communications with the doctors? 467 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,400 How do they, how do they actually, it was rapport with 468 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,120 the residents and patients. It's, I mean, sometimes the 469 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:14,320 calls I just got and I look and I think, my goodness, you're a 470 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,960 staff nurse. I'm just baffled. 471 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,160 And the language barrier, you know, some of them can barely 472 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,720 speak English. Yeah, it's quite disturbing and 473 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,800 it's upsetting for patients and residents. 474 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,400 I'm sure you've got very elderly people. 475 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,320 They they just don't understand what's going on. 476 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,080 Let's go into something else because I'm getting a bit 477 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,120 disturbed by all this. I, I wanted to talk a little 478 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,440 about what your story and the fact that you have not been able 479 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,760 to work in the NHS system since I believe it was 2001. 480 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,400 Can you, can you tell us about that? 481 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,720 I suppose it was back in the late 90s, I kind of realised 482 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,040 that I don't want to have any more vaccines. 483 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,640 And I'd have this battle everywhere I applied to work or 484 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,800 any agency because their agencies would chop and change 485 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,320 their contracts. So you'd often jump and change 486 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,560 different agencies and you had to apply. 487 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,840 And sometimes it would take months and months of jumping 488 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,640 through hoops to actually get to getting a shift because of 489 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,760 compliance. And part of that compliance, 490 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,720 which you often found out right at the end, was that we need to 491 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,240 see all your vaccine status. Excuse me, I had to see all your 492 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,920 vaccine status and I would show them the photocopies of, you 493 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,800 know, from 1961 and etcetera and the polio and everything like 494 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,040 that. And then even I did have hep BI 495 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,520 suppose when I did my nurse training and I probably did have 496 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,040 some boosters a bit later on. And then it was like, no more, 497 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,920 I'm not having it anymore. And then they'd say, well, 498 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,600 you're not compliant if you if you're not having the boosters 499 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,480 and we now we need you to have MMR and whatever all these other 500 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760 ridiculous vaccines are. And I said, well, I'm not having 501 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,280 any more. And so I would be non compliant. 502 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,280 So I was told I couldn't work for the NHS anymore. 503 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,240 I mean, I had just worked 18 years in a private hospital. 504 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,480 But I mean if I did want to work in the NHS or any jobs with the 505 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,720 NHS, I was prohibited because I was non compliant. 506 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,160 And then some agencies were very strict and they would say you're 507 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,080 non compliant. So then other agencies were not 508 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,680 so bad. And then some actually asked me 509 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,840 to go to my GP for proof of some vaccines that I said, well it 510 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,120 wasn't the GP that gave them. If I went to my GP, he would ask 511 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,480 me to show the proof of the little slip of paper we had when 512 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,560 I was at school when I was about 13 years old, say it for TB or 513 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,840 etcetera. And so the agency said, well, 514 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,120 you need to send a photograph of the injection site. 515 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,760 And I said you want a photograph of an injection site that's 516 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:16,640 nearly 50 years old, right. I contacted my, I contacted my 517 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:24,200 GP surgery, spoke to a practise nurse and she said, what's this 518 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,000 company? What are you talking about? 519 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,240 How ridiculous? I said, I know and that's what 520 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,120 you get when you apply for a job these days. 521 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:40,080 I never heard anything so more ridiculous. 522 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,240 And then I'd say like, well, you know, why do I need to have that 523 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,280 jab? And they'd say, well, it's to 524 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,680 protect the patients. And I said so if I had so if I 525 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:54,320 have any vaccines at home, all my neighbours are protected. 526 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,840 Are they Why don't they have the job then? 527 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,360 I mean, what, how does that work? 528 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,240 Well, you, you might have the illness as but I don't try yes, 529 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,280 but you might do. I thought, right. 530 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,240 But this, this is getting nowhere then, is it? 531 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,840 So I mean, this is just the thing. 532 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,240 And then of course, when the COVID thing came along, well, 533 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,120 the pandemic, that's it. I didn't even want to have the 534 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,320 test, but I had to have tests three times a week. 535 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,240 But when it came to the jab and I said to my friend right at the 536 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,360 start, I said, you see, and they make this mandatory. 537 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,200 It's healthcare are going to be hit first. 538 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,120 And of course that was it. And I wouldn't have it. 539 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,600 I wouldn't have it. And the agency say it's not us, 540 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,400 not, not, you know, making, making it compulsory or 541 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,200 mandatory is the care homes went, went through the door and 542 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,720 one of them that I'd been working out for about 3 years. 543 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,280 And I just said, Louise, what are you going to do? 544 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,600 And I said, well, I don't know, but I'm not having the job. 545 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,720 And that's that I said I'm not having it. 546 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,680 And several other nurses didn't want to have it, but they caved 547 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,920 in in the end because of I need it for my mortgage. 548 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,280 Well, I had two mortgages. I had lots of financial 549 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,040 commitments and it was financially quite devastating, 550 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,400 to be honest. It was really, really, really 551 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,280 difficult. And I've managed to bring myself 552 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,720 through that. But I wasn't going to cave in 553 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,960 and have the jab because that's what they wanted. 554 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,600 Oh, I can't go on holiday. Oh, well, I need to have the 555 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,080 jab. Well, that's ridiculous if 556 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,080 you're valuing, you know, valuing A2 week holiday over 557 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:39,400 your your life and health. So again, come November 21, I 558 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,760 wasn't allowed through the doorway. 559 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,240 So that's when I found this job that I wouldn't normally have 560 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,120 looked price had to be honest because the pay is really low, 561 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,040 but it was a home based job and so at least I didn't have to go 562 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,280 and mix with anyone. And yeah, home based telephone 563 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,920 clinician job, but and that's that, you know. 564 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,680 But yeah, no, I wouldn't, wouldn't have it, wouldn't cave 565 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,920 in, not at all. And so many people now said that 566 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,120 they wish they hadn't had it. Yeah, yeah, and good for you 567 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,480 because I didn't have them either. 568 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,120 And I personally, I don't know about you, but I don't know a 569 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,840 single person who regrets not taking it. 570 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,719 But of course, you know, it's the position of UK column that 571 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,400 we will do what we can to support the vaccine injured. 572 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,120 And we have said this from the very beginning when we started 573 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,080 to see this coming out. And I think you've told me some 574 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,239 things as well about sort of some of the changes in people's 575 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,800 health after the jab that you've you've heard about in your own 576 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,719 practise. I have because we have to take 577 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,320 all of their medical history. When we do do a call, we have to 578 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,600 take all of that. We have to, you know, whatever 579 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,639 the situation is that they're going through at the time or 580 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:53,360 their symptoms, we have to take their medical history, all of 581 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,639 it, even if it's relevant to that call or not. 582 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,000 We document that all their medications, their allergies, 583 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,360 vaccines, if it is relevant. And usually they're they're on 584 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,040 there just, you know, not every vaccine they've ever had, but, 585 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,600 you know, certain vaccines are normally listed and then talking 586 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,480 through whatever's going on with them at the time. 587 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,360 And some people are so desperately ill and they were 588 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,400 fine before they had the vaccines. 589 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,800 And some people that had chronic illnesses just got worse and 590 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,240 worse since they had the vaccines. 591 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,840 Right, because it from what I understand, not being a medical 592 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,760 professional, but from what I understand it, it can have an 593 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,880 impact on your immune system. And so if you have a a chronic 594 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,640 illness that affects immunity, then then that will obviously 595 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,960 cause you to have more symptoms even with the illness you had 596 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,440 originally, let alone what it might cause and further damage 597 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,440 that you've had after the vaccines or jabs. 598 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,000 Don't really know the insurance and outs all the science of it, 599 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,440 but there's all this talk of spike proteins and that if 600 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:08,240 they've had the flu jabs then the COVID jabs can trigger 601 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:14,080 illnesses and things. It's it's quite a dark, dark 602 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,840 cold to go down really. Yeah, I, I heard from lots of 603 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:23,120 people who were vaccinated who said at least they had COVID. 604 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,920 Of course, I personally don't think that it was so called 605 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,160 COVID because we, but they had, they certainly had something 606 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,280 that made them sick several times. 607 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,400 And before I left the university system, there were so many times 608 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,320 when I was covering for people who had been vaccinated that 609 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,120 were off sick all the time. And I was never off sick, at 610 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,840 least any more than I would have been otherwise because I didn't 611 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,600 test and I didn't jab. But IA lot of people know this 612 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,440 already who watch UK, call them regularly. 613 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,760 But in my role in that we're dealing with information and 614 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,440 media. When I was still an academic, I 615 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:02,080 was offered £350,000 by a local NHS board in Scotland where I 616 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,560 was working at the time to help promote the jobs to young 617 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,520 people. And I turned down the money and 618 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,520 I said, no, I'm not going to promote this because I don't 619 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,320 know whether or not it's a good idea. 620 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,400 And if someone were injured by these jabs then and they took it 621 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,600 because they read messaging that I created that, that I would 622 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,200 somehow feel complicit in, in injuring them or worse. 623 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,840 So it was again, for me, there were, there were a lot of 624 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,360 implications to what happened to me in my career as a result of 625 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,200 that, but I, I feel much better about it and it helps me sleep 626 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,440 just a bit better at night knowing that I didn't contribute 627 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,320 to any of this. So I just want to congratulate 628 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,600 you as well, because the pressure must have been even 629 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,720 worse being in the medical system. 630 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:49,200 Thank you. Yeah, so and I also wouldn't, I 631 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,400 said if the doctors come around to do the COVID jabs, I said 632 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,280 please don't include me. I'm not, I don't have any part 633 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,120 of it. And they let you know I didn't 634 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,160 have to. I was on shift when they were 635 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,840 doing some. I said I'm not having any part 636 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,360 of that. And and of course, all the 637 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,600 falsifying death certificates weren't there. 638 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,680 You know, even if you got run over by a bus or put it down as 639 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,480 COVID, you know it's misinformation. 640 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,200 So I, I also want to go back as well to something that you 641 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,960 mentioned to me previously, which is about the rate of 642 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,720 dementia. And I have to admit a bit 643 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,200 personally interested in this because my father passed away 644 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,040 of, of dementia when he was only 67. 645 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,720 But I'm just wondering if you could say a little bit more 646 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,360 about that because I do know that generally speaking, as a 647 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,520 society, we are seeing a rapid increase in dementia rates 648 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,680 across the population in this country and other Western 649 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,400 countries. So what have you seen in terms 650 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,840 of dementia and and how that's worked out in the care homes? 651 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,960 When I first would have, you know, worked in a care home or 652 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,280 had anything to do with, with the care home, I don't know, 653 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,480 over, you know, 40 years ago when I said they'd have like 654 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,480 these 12 or 15 bedded sort of care homes sort of privately 655 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,560 run. I mean, they probably didn't 656 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,000 have a dementia patient in there. 657 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:16,400 And then over the years, the, the, the number of dementia 658 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:22,040 patients has increased so much that there is, there's no such 659 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,320 thing as a care home or nursing home without them now. 660 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,680 And even though they might have a whole unit allocated to them, 661 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,800 I don't know, it just seems it just seemed to be everywhere 662 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,760 just increasing. And then we know the cause of 663 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:44,840 that can be like all to do with the food chain is all you know, 664 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,720 it's, you're not really getting good nutrition even from normal 665 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,080 food chain from supermarkets to anywhere. 666 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,440 And then you've got the medications, you know, you've 667 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,240 got heavy metals or aluminium that I know there are certain 668 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:02,560 drugs and medic medications that kind of contribute to that. 669 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,080 There are so many, you know, sort of tactical angles really. 670 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,920 And it is definitely increasing the dementia rate. 671 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,680 You know, they say always old age. 672 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,240 I know it's not the, you know, you've got people that can live 673 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,640 without it. And then why are such young 674 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,040 people getting dementia, you know, relatively young? 675 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,520 So it's, it's a horrible thing, but it's, I just think the 676 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,120 numbers have increased quite a lot over the years. 677 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,120 Yeah. When my father was first 678 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,040 diagnosed with dementia, this is of course only one case, but the 679 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,840 type of dementia he had which affected the frontal lobe rather 680 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,640 than sort of think of Alzheimer's traditionally or it, 681 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,520 but there are a lot of different types of dementias. 682 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,720 And so his was called frontal temporal dementia or ticks 683 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:52,320 disease or kind of this, you know, and it affects a different 684 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,320 area of the brain. But they said at the time, the 685 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,440 neurologist is saying to us that it could affect anyone. 686 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,120 People could be in their 30s and have this type of dementia and 687 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,640 still die from it. So it wasn't necessarily age 688 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,720 related. And I think there's still a lot 689 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:10,560 of work that needs to be done to dispel that myth that someone 690 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,720 who so called has dementia or Alzheimer's as everything gets 691 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:18,960 lumped together, that it's somebody who's 90 years old and 692 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,000 bedridden, when that is actually not the case anymore. 693 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,320 And I think we need to do some more work around this. 694 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,280 Yes, definitely. Yeah. 695 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,440 It's really quite worrying the level of dementia. 696 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,200 But I think a lot of it, some of it can actually be almost 697 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:40,240 reversed, can be reduced with, you know, nutritional, you know, 698 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,560 special nutritional supplements and things. 699 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,400 So some of it is metabolic looking at nutrition. 700 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,680 And just. Get me to the toxins. 701 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,320 Yeah, Let's talk about some, some of your work as a holistic 702 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,600 health practitioner. And I and I want to say this of 703 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,480 course to the the viewers and listeners with the disclaimer 704 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,560 that UK column does not take the position of, of, of advocating 705 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,200 for a pushing or recommending any particular medical 706 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,120 treatments, but that we're just only providing this for 707 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,440 information only. So I just want to make that 708 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,640 clear to everyone. First of all, I first want to 709 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,960 point out what, what, what drew me to talk to you in the 1st 710 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,840 place was the, the beautiful artwork that you had on display 711 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:28,320 at the Thetford Festival. So just to give people an 712 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,720 example of the kinds of things that you do. 713 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:32,840 And I know that you have much more and will provide links to 714 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,120 people so that they can look at your shop. 715 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,880 But this first was a, a, a glass pendant that I purchased from 716 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,680 you, which I really love. I just love the colour in it 717 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,040 just gorgeous. And this was a, I also bought a 718 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,800 cleansing intention candle, which the label says it's 719 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,720 handmade soy wax, essential oils, crystals, Himalayan salt, 720 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,840 herbs, and biodegradable glitter. 721 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,240 So do you want to maybe talk a little bit, a little bit about 722 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:04,800 some of your, your products And, and also how did you create the 723 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,840 ability to make things like this? 724 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,000 Because I have no artistic ability whatsoever. 725 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,760 So I'm always impressed by people who who can do things 726 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,880 like this. I don't even know where it 727 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,360 started really. I mean, I think I always in in 728 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,480 hindsight about my time again, I would have I would pursued art, 729 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,040 art side and creative side long, you know, long, long, long ago, 730 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,760 But it was something that I kind of had to put on the back 731 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,400 burner. I started doing some acrylic for 732 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,720 paintings and then I started making some Angel, doing some 733 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,760 sort of abstract, he sort of Angel paintings because I was 734 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,440 teaching angelic Reiki and people were attracted to the 735 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,240 energies and the colours and I don't know how the rest 736 00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:54,280 happened. I started doing resin orgonite 737 00:43:54,280 --> 00:44:00,240 pyramids and pendants and the heart pendants and and then it's 738 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:04,600 just expanded from there, you know, self draining soaped 739 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,840 dishes, all sorts of manner of resin articles and with special 740 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,960 Petri effects in them with Alcoholics and mica powders and 741 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,600 things. And then I just got so much that 742 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,160 somebody said, well, why why don't you do a stall? 743 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,440 I said, well, I haven't got a gazebo or tables. 744 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,160 But then apparently the local town, you just hire them from 745 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,200 the council and they're already there on the square. 746 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,320 So. So I started doing a market 747 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,840 stall just over 2 years ago on a Saturday. 748 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,600 Yeah, so I make intention candles. 749 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,960 I have got a little YouTube on that, like a 10 minute video on 750 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,000 that. I make beeswax candles. 751 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:52,800 I have made some homemade incense, but I do sell or 752 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,840 incense as well. What else do I else do? 753 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,160 I make key fobs, pendants, jewellery, clay work. 754 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:07,000 I started doing some clay work, polymer clay, various different 755 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:12,480 types of clay and stonework, how techs play, which is like liquid 756 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,400 clay and working with fabric. So sort of that's more of a 757 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:22,280 newer project, doing different things with that, lots of 758 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,440 different sort of mixed mediums really. 759 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,680 And just sort of, you know, whatever, whatever I can think 760 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,480 of next, really just get inspired to make something else 761 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,480 and then people ask for different things as well. 762 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:39,720 So do little fairy house lanterns, lights in and, you 763 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:48,280 know, bookmarks and hugging couples and resin skulls with 764 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:53,640 various things in lots and lots of lots of different things, 765 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,160 really. I think that can be such a make 766 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,760 a big difference on our health, whether or not people believe 767 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,800 that it has a direct impact on curing a particular condition. 768 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,040 I think just the, the idea of just seeing something that looks 769 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,400 nice or wearing something that looks nice or, or even how 770 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,760 something smells, I think is something that just can make us 771 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,400 feel better. I, I still remember that on that 772 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,680 first day of the festival when I, I was, I had my talk on the 773 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,160 first day that I, that I gave and it was so hot. 774 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,880 I'm sure you'll remember it's like 30° and it was so hot. 775 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,680 But what I remember as much as the heat was the smell of the 776 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,520 incense that you had burning in your stall. 777 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,720 Because I was, I don't know if you remember, I was sitting at a 778 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,760 table next to you and I was like, it's really hot. 779 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,040 I'm, I'm wearing a dress to look professional. 780 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,480 I am really sweaty. But the instance was calming me 781 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,080 down just to the point to where I got to where it was. 782 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,160 It was time for me to go on stage. 783 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,800 So for me, I did appreciate that. 784 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,440 Just just a personal thank you on that point as well. 785 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,760 Do you want to talk a little bit about the different healing 786 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,160 modalities that you that you use in your practise, in addition to 787 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,680 things looking nice and selling nice because I know you have a 788 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,520 lot of other skills as well. So I started doing those 789 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,560 therapies in in the mid 90s. I did aromatherapy massage. 790 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,120 I don't do that quite so much now, but it's quite hard work. 791 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:27,080 But I do reflexology, hot stone reflexology, working on the 792 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,560 points on the feet, etcetera, which corresponds to the, to the 793 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:35,320 body organs and systems. I do the emotional freedom 794 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,840 techniques, tapping therapy where we look at people's 795 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,600 limiting beliefs or, or emotions, whatever, whatever is, 796 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:48,080 you know, whatever's actually happened with them at the time, 797 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,320 wherever their issue is. And you get the issues sort of 798 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,520 up out, tapped on, looked at and neutralised basically, which is 799 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,320 different from counselling where you keep talking about the same 800 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,160 thing. You're kind of re energising it 801 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,440 with EFT. We don't want to go into long 802 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,240 stories, keep energising it. Just want to get it up, out, 803 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:08,920 tapped up, tapped on, looked at, neutralised so that it's 804 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,160 cleared, it's actually neutralised. 805 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,840 So it's not going to be keep re energising it. 806 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:21,560 So there's an awful lot you can learn about EFT and matrix re 807 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:28,520 imprinting and the traditional Reiki I did in India, trips to 808 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:34,840 India. But I then in 2000 and 2003. 809 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,280 I did the Master's in 2006 anyway for angelic Reiki. 810 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,960 Angelic Reiki was a newer system channel through from Archangel 811 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,440 Metatron. So it's very angelic. 812 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,160 You have a healing Angel assigned to you. 813 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,720 The angels do the actual attunement and the healing view 814 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,880 and there's no lineage so it doesn't come through all 815 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,120 different consciousness of different masters. 816 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,240 The attunements are done by the angelic realm and there's a very 817 00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:08,200 powerful cleansing process before each attunement. 818 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,840 There's three attunements and levels one and two. 819 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:17,000 I have a special 30 Archangel attunement on the on the Sunday 820 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,600 the last day and there are 9 different healing modalities 821 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,880 within that system. I've also done the balance 822 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,600 procedure where you're kind of using like a body sway test on 823 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,760 the thymus art point quantum touch healing where you could 824 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,720 realign bones and you're working with breath work, fire breath 825 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:41,680 and all sorts of different breath work. 826 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,440 It's very fascinating therapy as well. 827 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:53,160 I've done Reiki drumming which is actually very beneficial for 828 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:58,000 dementia, so it's actually good to take that into care homes if 829 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,320 they're interested in going in with a frame drum. 830 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,200 So yes, research on how that helps with dementia. 831 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,880 Breaky drumming. I have crystal singing bowls, do 832 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:17,600 colour mirrors this sort of colour therapy else meditation, 833 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:24,120 do various workshops. So I teach EFT and angelic Reiki 834 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:30,080 because I think the way forward with medicine is energy medicine 835 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:36,680 working with like frequencies, vibrations, even colours. 836 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,800 They will have their own unique vibration and frequency. 837 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:45,600 Got sound healing, got healing machine that sends quantum sort 838 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,240 of frequencies, scale of technology. 839 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,440 I think all of that's the way forward really is basically 840 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:59,600 energy medicine working with meridians or you know, rather 841 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,240 than just the physical because I believe what I said, we're 1% 842 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:07,800 quantum physics says we're 1% physical and 99% the sort of 843 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,760 spiritual energetic, non physical part. 844 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:18,280 And yet medicine and us tend to focus 99% of our time on the 1% 845 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,840 bit of that, isn't it? It makes more sense to spend 99% 846 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:29,080 of the time on the 99%. Well, you know, that's an 847 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,680 interesting, it's an interesting observation that that actually 848 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,600 makes a lot of sense. And, and you know, what I will 849 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,440 say about my experiences when I've tried different methods of 850 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,400 holistic healing for myself is one of the things that I 851 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,560 consider deeply, especially with things like acupuncture and how 852 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,960 they've been around for much longer than any of the sort of 853 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,520 allopathic or what we would call modern day traditional Western 854 00:51:54,520 --> 00:52:00,160 medical approaches such as jabs that have been around for a very 855 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,360 short amount of time compared to how long some of these 856 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,520 traditional truly traditional therapies have been around. 857 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,960 So I personally think, and again, keeping UK columns 858 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,520 position into mind that we don't, we don't recommend or, or 859 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,800 condone or push any particular medical treatments for anything. 860 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,640 So it's my personal opinion that these things that have been 861 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,640 around for a while must have some effect and that's why 862 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:31,080 they've been around for so long. Even if there's no so called, 863 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,840 you know, random, random controlled child studies, which 864 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,920 in some cases there are for things like Reiki and, and 865 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,240 acupuncture and other things that they have noticed that 866 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:43,800 there is a scientific difference, for example, with 867 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,360 things like Reiki. So I think that this is just 868 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,280 again, my opinion that it's been the medical establishment, the 869 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,400 sort of the, you know, the pharmaceutical industrial 870 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,040 complex, if we want to call it that, that has been putting out 871 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,200 this type of information to say, oh, no, supplements are bad for 872 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,480 you. Don't take omega-3 because 873 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,080 that's really not going to help you. 874 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,000 What you really need is this newly developed drug by Pfizer 875 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,440 to make you better. So I think there's a lot of 876 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,120 narrative in that that that we are given that we maybe not 877 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:17,960 shouldn't be listening to quite as much as some people too. 878 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,080 Yeah. And sadly the the GPS are kind 879 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,840 of very much fed from the pharmaceutical hotels really. 880 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,800 And it's a multi billion power business, isn't it? 881 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,760 They really don't want people to be well, they want to just keep 882 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:37,760 them on this, you know, stream of medications for life, really. 883 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,680 You did say that some of them do recommend osteopathy Can can you 884 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:50,880 say anything about that? Well, with my job I have to go 885 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,520 by the narrative to a certain extent, if you know what I mean. 886 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,680 I have to say check with your GP first, etcetera. 887 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:04,720 And to the NHS Choices site and MC guidelines and on the NMC 888 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:10,400 site it does mention osteopathy. So invariably when people have 889 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,120 back problems and you know, they, they say, well, it's so 890 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,280 difficult to get hold of my doctor and it would take two 891 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,320 weeks an appointment and then and at the end of the day, most 892 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,440 of the GPS will just say try rest and take some pain relief. 893 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,400 And that's sum total of their advice. 894 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,200 If the problem hasn't improved in a few weeks, they might refer 895 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,800 to physio. The physio in some cases is just 896 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:40,160 a telephone consultation and sent a generic exercise sheet. 897 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,160 Now that isn't every case, but that has happened. 898 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,960 And so when I triage them, obviously I'm triaging to see 899 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,520 the extent of what's going on with their back. 900 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:55,560 I'm not diagnosing they, they know that and I might give them 901 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,720 home care advice as they've got a list of home care advice that 902 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:00,280 I can give that that does really help. 903 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,600 It's very effective. And I say that if you know, if 904 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,560 it's like the sciatic nerve pinch, which it might indicate 905 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,680 the symptoms they've got or etcetera, or they've pulled or 906 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,880 muscles gone into spasm or something, the quickest, most 907 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,640 effective way would be to go privately to an osteopath. 908 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,920 You'd have far less time off sick and you might be able to 909 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,200 claim it back and they were better to examine as they're the 910 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,920 specialists in your back, see exactly what's going on. 911 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,440 They can usually have trigger release points. 912 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,520 They can possibly release it in that moment, sort of the main 913 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,520 root cause and then give you the right stretches and exercises to 914 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,400 do that's relevant to what you've specifically done rather 915 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,960 than a generic exercise sheet. So because there's many places 916 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,800 the sciatic nerve can be pinched. 917 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,600 So it's not always the same stretch and exercise. 918 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,720 And you know, some people are very, very grateful, appreciated 919 00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:55,760 that. Just, you know, gauge how they 920 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,200 are and what's approach, you know, if that's appropriate, 921 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,080 then that's, that's what I'll guide them with. 922 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,720 I might say, if you're going to speak to AGP anyway, just 923 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,880 mention that you might be thinking about that or, you 924 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,320 know, had that suggested. So it's still within my 925 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:17,480 boundaries to say, but I mean the end of the day I'm trying to 926 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,440 help them. Yeah, of course. 927 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,040 And the other thing is, you know, sorry, the other thing is 928 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,000 that invariably they don't really understand about the 929 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,640 immune system and quite confusing or surprisingly is 930 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,960 trained medical staff don't seem to know about the immune system. 931 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,000 They just say, oh, I've taken paracetamol and ibuprofen, why 932 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,240 have I still got these flu like symptoms after about 3 days? 933 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:46,800 And they think, well, you know, what else have you done? 934 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:54,280 What do you mean? What have you done to help you 935 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,080 help recovery? You know, eating. 936 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,800 Eating fast food and watching telly and eating fast food? 937 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,040 Hopefully not, but that might be the case, right? 938 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,880 So I would just, you know, point then right that direction of 939 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,360 saying, well, you know, the pharmaceutical medications are 940 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,960 fine for mild pain relief, for a fever, etcetera, but they're not 941 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,080 actually going to help your immune system, which is the 942 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,400 fastest way to recovers to strengthen your immune system. 943 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,240 And the more robust, stronger your immune system is, the less 944 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,920 susceptible you are to colds and flus and viruses anyway. 945 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,920 So some people just wrap it up, they just love it and give them 946 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:40,960 some information down that Ave because we are about well being 947 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,800 as well. They're very much, the company 948 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,280 is very much trying to be about well being, but then they kind 949 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,600 of limit what you can say. So it's a bit of a 950 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:54,120 contradiction, you know, do what I can really to help people. 951 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,040 So what are the sort of the completely, completely, truly 952 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,680 safe and effective things that people can do just to look after 953 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,360 themselves at home every day that will benefit everyone? 954 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,640 I was going to say, I mean individually you'd have to like 955 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,080 everybody is different. So you know, obviously if you're 956 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,480 speaking to a person, you have to do a consultation with each 957 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:22,360 individual person. But generally hydration, you 958 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,120 know, 2 litres of pure water, not tap water that's completely 959 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,640 contaminated, but pure water, 2 litres of water a day. 960 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:37,200 Have some me time sort of, you know, to clear your mind, 961 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,320 whether it's meditation, connecting in nature, going for 962 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,800 a walk, going for a walk in a park or in the countryside. 963 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,640 Grounding. You can get grounding technology 964 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,920 sheets and things to little grounding mats you can put in 965 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,440 when you're at the computer. But yeah, just grounding. 966 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,560 Take your shoes and socks off and hang the washing out on the 967 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,120 grass with bare feet for 10 minutes or something. 968 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:08,080 Just things like that. Just be grounding meditation, 969 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:13,400 writing goal setting lists or sort of appreciation gratitude 970 00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,640 lists, depending you know, what you're wanting to achieve and 971 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:22,240 how you feel and just really good basic healthy nutrition 972 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:28,000 that's dugout of the earth. That's probably got some, you 973 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,160 know, there's there's lots on was it by electoral culture now 974 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:37,680 where you're putting these copper coils in the ground with 975 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,760 basalt rocks and everything to get the magnetic frequencies in 976 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,640 the soil. And that's just boosting the 977 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,600 growth of vegetables and getting the nutrients that you need back 978 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,160 into the into the soil. Whereas the farming, it's just 979 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,920 absolutely exhausted, exhausted nutrients now and they're not 980 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,200 even putting the right fertilisers and things on 981 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,960 etcetera. That's a whole nother Ave. 982 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,440 But. Yeah, just so just a good, good 983 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,880 basic nutrition, Fresh fruit and vegetables, cooked from scratch, 984 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:15,200 cooked from scratch, just basic, you know, but just try and avoid 985 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:20,320 processed foods, which generally supermarkets, I mean apart from 986 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,240 getting that the fresh raw fruit and veg there, everything else 987 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:25,960 is processed, absolutely everything. 988 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,600 So you just have to try and limit processed foods and, and 989 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,600 in my kitchen, I have lots and lots and lots of storage jars of 990 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,680 dried foods that keep like quinoa, different types of 991 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:45,840 quinoa, rice, different rices, nuts, pulses, grains, you know, 992 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,360 it just goes on and on. Seeds you can do, you know, if 993 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,680 you have like 4 or five different seeds, you get your 994 01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,240 essential fatty acids and you can grind them up, but you know, 995 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,240 cheers. Seeds, there's all sorts of 996 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,600 dried stuff. You can have lentils, beans, and 997 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,000 then you're just adding the vegetables. 998 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:10,080 So you have that basic stock that lasts a long time that you 999 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,600 can just top up and then you just top up with your fresh 1000 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:18,400 vegetables, fruit, etcetera. If you can get organic, I mean, 1001 01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,600 I'm never so perfect and money and everything, but if you can 1002 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,640 get organic as much as you can because there are certain foods 1003 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:31,080 that are more highly at risk of chemical spraying and etcetera 1004 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,560 if they're non if they're non organic. 1005 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,120 But yeah, so healthy diet, I think we do need supplements 1006 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,240 these days. We really do. 1007 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,000 So a good quality vitamin C at least every day. 1008 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,280 And if you're not, well, you need a therapeutic dose. 1009 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,480 So that's a higher level. Vitamin D levels are very 1010 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,360 important. Magnesium is very important. 1011 01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,600 And for a lot of women, iodine is very important, as Lynn 1012 01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,920 Farrow did a book called The Iodine Crisis. 1013 01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,840 Yeah. So nutrition, meditation, mind 1014 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,560 do something that you enjoy doing, find a hobby, get a past 1015 01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:22,800 time that you like, socialise, have time to mix and have 1016 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,360 conversations with people and not just looking at a screen, 1017 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,280 not just the. You. 1018 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,680 Know, actually have a conversation with somebody, meet 1019 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:40,640 people, speak to people. And yeah, I don't know what else 1020 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,400 can I add to that. I mean, yeah, it's a healthy 1021 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,800 diet. Look after your mind, body and 1022 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:45,520 soul. Really. 1023 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,280 Epsom salt baths are really good. 1024 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,480 Thanks for all that. That's some really useful advice 1025 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,880 and hopefully people can take some ideas from that. 1026 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,360 And I'm sure that we can all improve on what we do or don't 1027 01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,760 do to ourselves in some way. We're just about out of time, 1028 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,080 unfortunately. It's been a great conversation. 1029 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,240 Do you have anything else that you would like to add that you 1030 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,920 haven't had a chance to say or that we haven't discussed? 1031 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,680 I think we sort of pretty much covered everything. 1032 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,040 I can't think of anything else to add now, really. 1033 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,520 But yeah, just, you know, just do your research. 1034 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,480 Do your research or or go to people that have already done 1035 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,440 the research. If you haven't got time to do 1036 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,800 the research, you know, there's people like Philip Day. 1037 01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:38,920 credence.org is is well worth looking at his site and his free 1038 01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,040 newsletter. You've got Doctor McCullough as 1039 01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,840 well with his free newsletter. Some really good information 1040 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,920 there. And then there's books like 1041 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,800 Biology of Belief by Doctor Bruce Lipton, who is a stem cell 1042 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,040 researcher in the 1960s. He's very well known now. 1043 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,720 And the other thing was that your intention, your intention 1044 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,040 when you're drinking or eating food, don't have an argument or 1045 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,240 have the news on or I mean, get rid of the TV for goodness sake. 1046 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,080 These days you don't need it. But I mean, don't have any don't 1047 01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,400 have a negative conversation when you're eating because all 1048 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,440 of that energy affects your food effects every cell in your body. 1049 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:23,880 So there's a doctor Amato was net Masuri the water book. 1050 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:28,000 You know, the the intention experiment with waters, how it 1051 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,280 changes the molecular structure by how you influence the water. 1052 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,200 So all of those things are really important as well. 1053 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:42,280 So yeah, do your research and just don't just be very wary of 1054 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,520 mainstream media and what the manipulation is out there 1055 01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,760 because it it's not for your well being, it's not feel good 1056 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,560 at all. So look at the truth channels 1057 01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,400 and do your research and live your best life. 1058 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,800 Thank you very much. That's a great place to add. 1059 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,440 And I would remind everyone to not get rid of your screens or 1060 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,480 your your phones or whatever you're using if it's to use to 1061 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,880 watch UK column, because you still do need it for that. 1062 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,840 So thank you again for your time, Louise. 1063 01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,960 It's been a wonderful conversation and I hope that 1064 01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,080 people can can learn from it. And certainly your experience is 1065 01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,600 invaluable for all of us to learn from. 1066 01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,120 And thank you again for your bravery and for standing up for 1067 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:30,040 what you do was right. Thank you so much.