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Hello and welcome. 
This is my second UK column 

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interview of 2026. 
I'm Mark Anderson, correspondent

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based in the US for UK column 
and I am very glad to welcome to

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the show today Orlean Curla of 
California. 

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She's a long time Eagle Forum 
President and member in that 

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state. 
California is the other left 

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coast, along with the East 
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There's two left coasts in the 
US, as the joke goes. 

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But she's been fighting the good
fight for a long time. 

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And it was in 1995, Orlean, as I
recall reading your books and 

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talking with you, that you first
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strange things were afoot with 
regards to water policy, with 

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with regards to drought, with 
regards to the weather, the 

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nature of the weather even. 
And it's been a long learning 

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curve for you. 
And you've been showing up at 

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meetings, you've been doing a 
lot of things to try and get 

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people to see the light as you 
learned what was going on you. 

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You've tried to help others. 
You've done a very good job of 

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it. 
A number of proposals and 

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propositions on the California 
ballot. 

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You've had a lot to do with some
of those, some past, some 

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didn't, but you've really made a
difference. 

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That's always impressed me in 
about the 15 years or so that 

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I've known you. 
But welcome to the show, Orlean.

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Thank you very much, Mark. 
It's a pleasure to be here. 

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I've heard wonderful things 
about this UK column and it's 

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great that that Britain has such
a wonderful organisation and 

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it's nice to be back with you. 
Indeed, yes, we're trying to 

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make a real difference beyond 
exposure seeking solutions. 

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Anyway, a good place to start is
just a little bit of background.

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I know I gave some there, but I 
think you've been a teacher. 

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Tell us just a little snapshot 
about yourself to supplement 

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what I said and maybe add to it.
Well, I actually grew up on a 

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nice Idaho potato farm in a 
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Idaho. 
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the farmers that people are 
facing across the world now. 

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But I, I loved those wonderful, 
conservative, nice people that I

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grew up with. 
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the town. 
My uncle was a state senator. 

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And so that's kind of how I got 
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politics. 
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every dining room table, evening
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And I thought everyone grew up 
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discovered that was not the 
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Anyway, I when we moved to Santa
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got a job at Sonoma State 
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and our youngest son was born 
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I have five sons and one 
daughter and when our youngest 

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son was in the 6th grade, I 
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teaching. 
So I had taught in Idaho Falls 

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when we were first married. 
I taught speech and drama and 

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journalism. 
It was really the journalism 

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that got me interested in 
writing. 

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And after teaching 20 years, 
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2010, I decided to retire and 
started writing even more books.

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But my, my first book that I 
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was a very huge one. 
I'll show you that this is 

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called USA Transformation and 
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Union. 
And that was what really woke me

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up to what was going on in the 
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But in 2006 is when I started 
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Nations Agenda 21, because we 
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in Santa Rosa. 
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anyone that had a Creek in their
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Creek running through it. 
That that Creek was supposed to 

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have 100 foot set back on both 
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And you couldn't plough the 
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And I thought, what on earth is 
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And I discovered this is all 
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us to have total control of our 
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breathe, everything, our 
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And so I started doing more and 
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And and that's when this 
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out. 
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Met this wonderful lady, Rosa 
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And I know the UK column, Sandy 
Adams has mentioned her, that it

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was her book Behind the Green 
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And it was actually Rosa Curry 
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from me because she started 
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and heard me speak about it. 
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inside our cities while I was 
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area. 
So we would join forces and help

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fight each other's battles, and 
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beginning of battling, fighting,
fighting has started was back in

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2006. 
Anyway, Arlene, thank you for 

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that additional background on 
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And we can sprinkle more of that
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if we need to. 
But anyway, I've been looking 

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at, I've been looking at the 
aforementioned books, 

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California's water crisis, 
Agenda 212030. 

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Hopefully that'll become Agenda 
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And Inferno, Enigma and I, I 
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these two books, there was a 
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One thing led to another, which 
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You, you're very talented in 
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And in the book about 
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by itself is really unsettling 
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arrogance and this kind of 
mismanagement can happen in any 

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government, be it local, state, 
regional, whatever it it notes 

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here. 
And I took some notes on this. 

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Author Orlean Curla asked an 
important question of the 

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California water agencies at a 
Grange Hall meeting back 

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November 19, 2015. 
So just past your 10 year 

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anniversary there in Bennett 
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And you asked this question, 
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rain and the drought is 
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Will the state of emergency, 
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frequently, Will that state of 
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And will all the regulations 
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And will, will the, will the 
water agencies like yourselves 

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who you're speaking to, will 
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And the agent in charge replied,
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California will never receive 
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or crisis. 
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overseeing this will never go 
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But I'm, what I'm getting out of
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that a crisis is a very good 
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Some of us recall Rahm Emanuel, 
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who was involved in the global 
cities movement and he wrote a 

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book called When Mayors Ruled 
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And the the idea was that cities
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in global governance, kind of 
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globalism, and they would sort 
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And the cities would network 
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outside the legal framework of 
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network together to bring about 
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And so Rahm Emanuel was famous 
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crisis go to waste. 
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going on in California. 
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go to waste. 
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And they keep creating new ones.
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working with. 
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And what was interesting, when I
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the cover, it showed a lake that
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rain that there was flooding all
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underwater and and it didn't 
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So now they use too much rain as
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So you they go from drought to 
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crisis go away. 
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3 years ago in West TX out 
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Mexico, and I picked up a 
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believe it was called. 
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although not blown away to read 
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Licencing and Regulation would 
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applications for licences for 
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And all told, the licences that 
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about the licence applications 
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notice in that small newspaper. 
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the cloud seeding could say that
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minimum requirement of public 
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ad in that rather obscure paper 
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ever read, at least not in large
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And some 30 million acres or so,
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targeted for cloud seeding. 
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paradoxical is on the one hand, 
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and in in an advanced way, you 
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mitigate an expected drought. 
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year is going to be going to be 
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We have to keep the water table 
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irrigation systems draw. 
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encourage a little rain, bring 
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irrigation will work better. 
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The crops won't fail. 
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minimal cloud seeding, in my 
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fail. 
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Let's let the almond trees dry 
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Or here in South Texas where I 
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suffering something terrible. 
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we're having an extended route 
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Rio Grande Valley, South Texas. 
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right, is that there's all this 
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And OK, on the other hand, we 
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wouldn't want a cloud seed if 
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too much rain? 
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there is this kind of tool kit 
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weather, cloud seeding being one
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for good. 
It seems to me and I this was in

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the book that you just showed it
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And yet we don't see a pattern 
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that the authorities are doing 
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It always looks like something 
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happening. 
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to know that cloud seeding is 
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I try to keep it very hidden. 
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really started with the Vietnam 
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They were using cloud seeding to
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the Viet Cong could not travel. 
There was too much mud on the 

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ground. 
And they've been using it for a 

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long, long time. 
And as I mentioned in my book, 

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PG and E Pacific gas and 
electric car electrical 

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providers here actually have a 
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called the weather modification 
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If they were not capable of 
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they call it that? 
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is Pacific Gas and Electric in 
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Yes. 
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utility there. 
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almost has that Kennedy sound to
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And at any rate that that is 
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that they would be that open 
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And yet at the same time, 
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sense of denial that weather 
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It's worth mentioning at this, 
at this juncture, that someone 

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spoke to a think tank recently 
and they talked about NOAA, the 

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National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration. 

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And this person representing 
NOAA said that there's no 

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substantive, meaningful, 
impactful way that human beings 

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can modify the weather. 
But if you go to Noaa's website,

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the National Oceanic and 
Atmospheric Administration, part

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of the federal government, it 
lists at least nine, maybe 10 

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ways that the weather can 
conceivably be modified. 

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And the reason it lists them is 
that it says that if you do 

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these without a licence, any of 
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you can be fined $10,000. 
Well, how can you be fined 

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$10,000 for multiple ways to 
modify the weather unless those 

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ways of modifying actually 
exist? 

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Exactly. 
And as I mentioned earlier, they

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they have a patent to allow all 
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used. 
You can't have a patent for 

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something that isn't possible. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Multiple patents. 
The Patent Office of the United 

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States will not grant you a 
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theoretical. 
It has to actually work. 

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Look at my new mousetrap. 
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mouse. 
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the things that make it so 
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Unsettling where you see what 
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you've been to many meetings. 
I've been to a few myself. 

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And if you bring up even the 
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regarding the weather that it 
could be modified by human 

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beings whatsoever, you're looked
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Well, everything is are 
improving. 

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We have several states in our 
nation now that have passed laws

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that there will be no chemtrails
seating over their skies. 

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Florida is one of those. 
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you it was impossible to even 
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laughed at that the fact that 
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has passed prohibiting this is, 
is remarkable. 

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So we have made a little 
progress. 

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Yeah, it's being recognised, 
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addition of fluoride, the 
fluoride to so called take care 

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of your teeth in water, in 
public water. 

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They're finally recognising that
the principle is wrong. 

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You shall not mass Medicaid. 
It doesn't matter whether 

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fluoride helps your teeth when 
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or not. 
You cannot mass Medicaid. 

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You cannot make everyone take 
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without their consent. 
So it doesn't matter if it works

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or not. 
The principle is wrong. 

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And I would argue, and I, and I 
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that here again, if you're 
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atmosphere, no matter how 
innocuous, whether it works or 

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not, whether it, whether it is 
what you say it is or not, if 

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you do it without disclosure, 
it's wrong on its face. 

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And it it seems like what we do 
in the air, just like what we do

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in the public water supply, 
ought to follow that same 

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principle. 
Definitely. 

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At any rate, the you also 
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water crisis book that fast 
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2019-2020, 1 and 2025. 
We talked about that question 

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that you asked in 2015, and they
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matter what happens, even if the
heavy rains and whether there's 

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a drought or not a drought, 
they'll never drop the crisis 

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mode, the crisis status. 
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agenda behind water crisis is 
what are the goals of 

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regionalism and Agenda 21, which
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Sustainable Development Goals. 
There's seventeen of those. 

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How does geoengineering play 
into this crisis and that. 

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Let's get into that. 
How does geoengineering play 

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into this never ending crisis 
that you were told would never 

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go away by those California 
officials and then talk about 

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the Klamath River where you have
hydraulic energy sources being 

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subdued or destroyed. 
First of all, yeah, how does the

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geoengineering that we're we're 
definitely pounding on here. 

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How does that fit into the the 
greater agenda? 

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Well, geoengineering is just 
another fancier word for weather

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modification and being able to 
manipulate the weather. 

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And in my book, I do show the 
various ways they can do this. 

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One of those is by HARP. 
HARP stands for High Area Aurora

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Morales. 
What's the project? 

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And this is it still exists. 
It's in Alaska. 

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I show a picture of it. 
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these very powerful 
electromagnetic waves into the 

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upper atmosphere. 
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the air. 
It can then move clouds. 

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It can especially move and work 
with the chemtrails that have 

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already been sprayed over a 
certain area. 

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It can create horrific winds out
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periods of drought. 
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horrific hail and rain. 
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title of geoengineering. 
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either creating storms or 
creating droughts, whatever the 

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a prescribed agenda is. 
And I'm sorry to say it is an 

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agenda and it works really well 
with Agenda 21, which desires 

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essentially to get people off 
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the cities where they can be 
more easily controlled. 

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It's all about control. 
And your second point that you 

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wanted me to talk about was the 
amazing things that have 

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happened on the Klamath River. 
So the Klamath River at one time

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had four dams, one on the Oregon
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California side. 
Between the years 2023 and 2024,

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these dams were all removed and 
something that we had all been 

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fighting against for probably 15
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come up with this idea, they 
actually had federal legislation

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to allow it to happen. 
That never was passed, but it 

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was through the environmental 
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this to to finally be done and 
PG and E was going along with 

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it. 
And I'm so sorry to say one of 

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our wonderful congressman, Doug 
Lamalfa from Northern California

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was the outspoken one fighting 
against it. 

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I quote him in my book and show 
his picture. 

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He just passed away January 6th.
Sorry, I get all emotional 

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because he was one of our 
favourite people and really a 

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courageous man standing up 
against this. 

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And he predicted exactly what 
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down. 
And his prediction is exactly 

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correct. 
The environmentalists were 

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saying, oh, we're going to be 
saving the salmon and those poor

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little salmon that couldn't make
it upstream because of the dams.

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Those salmon have been doing so 
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They've never been endangered. 
We can get them at every 

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restaurant we want to order them
and yet, thank you. 

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I'm saying that they're they 
were endangered. 

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Well, bringing down the dams 
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salmon to die. 
You would see them flying on the

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side of the banks of these sad 
looking Klamath rivers and the 

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salmon need to have a gravel on 
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able to spawn. 
That is totally gone. 

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It's just covered with horrible 
thick mud. 

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And the poor little animals that
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drink, they were got stuck in 
that mud and there was no way to

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rescue them and they just died. 
So many little deer and 

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different animals were just 
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So it was a terrible disaster 
and terrible outcome for not 

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only the fish, but for other 
wildlife. 

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And yet the goal is to continue 
to do this because bringing down

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dams let's these evil people 
control water even more. 

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And as I mentioned, Agenda 
21/20/30 is all about control. 

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80 dams in the past few years 
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our nation. 
Those people are not even aware 

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of that because it's done very 
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they continue to try to bring 
down more. 

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And of course, it also takes 
away the reservoirs that are 

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there, that these wonderful, 
beautiful lakes, reservoirs that

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have been created. 
If you do have wildfires, you 

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need to dip into those 
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They're gone. 
So it's it's been a disaster for

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Northern California. 
It's been a disaster especially 

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for the farmers and ranchers 
that relied on that water coming

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through the Klamath River. 
The Klamath needed those dams to

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regulate it. 
Otherwise, it has periods of 

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flooding, periods of drought, 
and with a dam, it continue. 

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It regulates the constant flow 
of the water. 

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These dams also had the best 
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that's all removed. 
And one of the dams even had a 

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fish hatchery that produced 
6,000,000 little salmon fish 

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every year. 
Of course, that's all gone. 

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So it's been a disaster in every
sense of the word. 

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You know, what you're, what 
you're describing shows the 

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utter hypocrisy of the people 
that advocate removing dams, the

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very things that they say are 
good, you know, helping 

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wildlife. 
And you mentioned the fish 

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hatchery and all the, the deer 
and other wildlife, both land, 

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land dwellers and, and the fish 
themselves. 

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All of it came to harm, all of 
it went downhill and all of it 

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turned out wrong. 
And yet these people will say, 

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you know, we're, we're 
environmentalists. 

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We believe in improving the 
environment. 

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There's nothing there whatsoever
that speaks of improving the 

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environment in any way at all. 
You know, also the, it's worth 

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mentioning or emphasising that 
you mentioned that hydroelectric

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power could and was being 
generated by the Klamath River 

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dams, at least some of them. 
That kind of that kind of power 

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is also what they call renewable
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So even there they couldn't even
bat 1000 on that, they couldn't 

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even get that. 
And so it, it just shows it, it 

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just shows the utter bankruptcy 
of the arguments of those who 

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are making these blatant and 
unnecessary and very damaging 

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changes. 
And and as you say, some 80 dams

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and probably even more than 
that, that we don't fully 

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realise have been completely 
torn down or torn out. 

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It's a wonder they don't take 
out the Hoover Dam. 

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You know it's is that the last 
standing major dance? 

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On the schedule. 
Have you? 

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Are you? 
Serious. 

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And yes, and it's probably 
happening in other countries 

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too, because this is a worldwide
agenda. 

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Boy, there's something to keep 
an eye on for some subsequent 

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articles to this interview 
perhaps, and and maybe some 

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further books or updates of 
books that you might do. 

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But anyway, the the water crisis
alone, it is so disturbing. 

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You mentioned Operation Popeye 
as it was known in Vietnam, 

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where they shot flares into the 
air to make it rain, including 

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on the Ho Chi Minh Trail. 
So North Vietnamese and Viet 

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Cong forces couldn't travel 
well. 

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And that was declassified 
relatively recently and finally 

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made known. 
And I'll mention as a quick 

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footnote, Ron Avery, a 
videographer and kind of 

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political philosopher, a friend 
of mine. 

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He and I went to a 2017, I 
believe it was American 

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Meteorological Association 
meeting. 

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And we were asking questions on 
the exhibit floor about high 

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tech companies wanting to get 
involved with the weather with 

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regards to the military. 
So in other words, on the floor 

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where all these companies 
advertising their wares and 

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their technology and their 
gadgets, we will help the Army 

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predict the weather. 
We will help the Navy use use 

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their knowledge of the weather 
to fight our wars. 

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And all of it was not quite 
saying that we will modify the 

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weather in a militarily 
favourable way, but it was 

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knocking on the door of that and
we were asking questions. 

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And I'll just mention this is a 
little anecdotal thing before we

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move on to another tier on this 
that we were actually they 

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attempted to kick us out of a 
weather or excuse me, the 

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American Meteorological 
Association conference, most of 

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it pretty innocuous. 
And because we were asking 

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questions about weather mod and 
the questions were not hardball,

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they were pretty softball. 
They threatened to throw us out.

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Isn't that amazing? 
They do not want the truth 

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revealed in any way, do they? 
Well, we weren't, we weren't as 

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Privy or or as knowledgeable 
then as we are now. 

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And so the questions really 
weren't that hardball as I said 

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and even then. 
And I just told the guy I have 

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press credentials, I'm not going
anywhere and he dropped it. 

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But anyway, it just shows the 
sensitivity. 

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This is why I mention it to 
anyone that asks even the most 

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basic questions about these 
things. 

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But anyway, the other book that 
you wrote and not that these are

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the only two books you've 
written several Inferno enigma. 

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Now there there's a a definite 
pet. 

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Yes, there's a definite pattern 
here. 

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You know, from why is it raining
too much? 

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Why is it not raining enough? 
Why do we have a drought or 

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floods? 
And then, as you mentioned with 

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the Klamath River, they even got
rid of the all important 

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reservoirs that the dam system 
would work with or kind of, you 

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know, work within a in a 
synergistic fashion to create 

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reservoirs with which to fight 
fires that might break out. 

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And so they're destroying not 
only the dams, not only hurting 

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wildlife, not only hurting 
farmers, but they're actually 

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lessening or harming the ability
to fight fires, which harms 

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everyone, farmers, wildlife, 
people's homes and property, 

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leads to death and destruction. 
So removing those dams was kind 

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of the ecological nuclear bomb, 
if you will. 

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It's it's affecting everything. 
So therefore, when you look at 

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the whole continuity of 
everything, too much rain, not 

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enough rain, things are getting 
too dry, the ground's getting 

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too hard because we haven't had 
enough rain. 

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Therefore the the ground's not 
as porous. 

454
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,000
So it's almost like the rain is 
hitting concrete. 

455
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,920
When it finally does rain, it 
doesn't soak into the ground 

456
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,520
well. 
Therefore the water table, the 

457
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,920
the reservoirs, the aquifers are
not being regenerated to help 

458
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,440
the irrigation systems. 
I mean, look at how everything 

459
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,920
is adversely affected. 
And then you do get fires. 

460
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,800
But not only do you have what 
are called conventional 

461
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,760
wildfires, you also have fires, 
as you've documented here, that 

462
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,120
have characteristics that are 
very strange. 

463
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,280
And so as if it isn't bad enough
that there's extreme 

464
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,520
comprehensive water 
mismanagement, oh, no, that's 

465
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,280
let's not stop there. 
Let's also enter a world where 

466
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:50,200
fires are showing burn patterns 
and intensity that make no 

467
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,640
sense, especially to those that 
have experienced conventional 

468
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,360
fires. 
And you yourself at your own 

469
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,880
home in California experienced a
fire. 

470
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,920
Take us there. 
Start there with your own fire 

471
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,040
and now take us on the journey 
with looking at these fires that

472
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,240
we've seen in recent years. 
Right. 

473
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:19,960
So in 2017, October 9th, my 
husband and I and we actually 

474
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,280
had three house guests with us. 
We were out walking on a Sunday 

475
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,840
afternoon and suddenly this 
horrendous wind came up out of 

476
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,240
nowhere. 
It was like a 50 to 60 mile an 

477
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,200
hour wind and I, I couldn't 
believe it. 

478
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,040
It was almost like it blew us 
off The Walking path. 

479
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,520
I said, this is really 
worrisome. 

480
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,120
I wonder if we're going to have 
some kind of a strange fire. 

481
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,560
What had also happened? 
I'd noticed three days before 

482
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,240
this fire, really heavy 
chemtrails. 

483
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,480
You saw them everywhere, and 
they were just continuing on. 

484
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,720
And as I write in my book, these
chemtrails are dropping off and 

485
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:03,680
aluminium oxide, which causes 
fires to ignite really quickly 

486
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,440
and especially covering trees. 
So anyway, we went to bed that 

487
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,080
night. 
And at 2:30 in the morning, the 

488
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,600
winds were still blowing. 
Our daughter heard a knock on 

489
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,480
the door, and her window was 
right over where the front door 

490
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,080
is. 
And so she opened the window and

491
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,520
said, what is it? 
And this fireman said, you have 

492
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,160
to evacuate. 
There's a fire coming over the 

493
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,440
Ridge behind your home. 
And so our three houseguests 

494
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,160
were already packed, ready to 
go. 

495
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,400
So they immediately evacuated 
and my daughter, thinking that 

496
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,800
this was not going to be too 
much, had a shower because she 

497
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,320
had to teach school that day. 
But anyway, by the time we 

498
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,280
finally got ourselves out, it 
was 1/2 an hour later. 

499
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,800
We grabbed some supplies and 
each of us took a car. 

500
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,880
Thank goodness because what 
happened to the cars that were 

501
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,920
left, It's just horrible. 
But we before we left, I had my 

502
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,600
husband give our home a blessing
and we prayed really hard and, 

503
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,280
and we left. 
Well, we went to a our, our 

504
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:27,600
daughter in 
So we were there and a good 

505
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,240
friend who was able to go 
through the Little League field 

506
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,040
to see where our property was, 
he called us and said your home 

507
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,320
survive while all these other 
six homes around you were 

508
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,040
totally destroyed. 
He said you could actually see 

509
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,480
where the fire came to your 
property line and stopped. 

510
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,680
So of course we thought that was
miraculous and so grateful. 

511
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,560
But I personally believe it also
had something to do with the 

512
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,080
fact our home was the only home 
that did not have a smart metre.

513
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,640
And as I write in my book, I 
think there's a direct 

514
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,000
correlation between these smart 
metres and what I truly believe 

515
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,600
was causing these fires. 
Direct Energy weapon. 

516
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,760
Because there was no way that 
this was a wildfire could do it.

517
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,480
What happened? 
Every single home was destroyed,

518
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,920
totally down to its cement 
foundation. 

519
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,320
Everything crumbled. 
All metal melted. 

520
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,320
All glass melted first, then 
melted. 

521
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,320
A normal house fire does not 
'cause that we had a normal 

522
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,560
house fire back in 1984, but did
not melt our refrigerators, did 

523
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,920
not melt our washing machines, 
and did not crumble the cement 

524
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,920
foundation. 
But every single home. 

525
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:46,160
And in Santa Rosa, 5600, homes 
were destroyed one after the 

526
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,880
other, and everything left 
looking the same, with the 

527
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,120
cement foundation totally gone. 
Everything melted. 

528
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,320
And the cars, if any car was 
left, they look just the same, 

529
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,360
totally gutted out. 
And some were absolutely too 

530
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,000
straight down to their 
foundation. 

531
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,320
Others, at least this steel 
frame was a little bit there. 

532
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,600
But these fires were even 
melting steel. 

533
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,080
And a forest fire does not melt 
metal. 

534
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,760
A forest fire maybe at the most 
burns 1000°. 

535
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,320
It takes 3000° to melt metal and
steel. 

536
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,680
So you knew something else was 
going on. 

537
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:30,720
And as I write in my book, the 
only explanation is a something 

538
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,880
coming from the sky. 
And so many people actually saw 

539
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:40,320
5G laser, blue laser shooting. 
And where do these lasers aim 

540
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,440
for? 
They in the thick dark clouds, 

541
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,400
they wouldn't know or tissue, 
except the smart metre gives out

542
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,600
this pulsed radiation constant 
and they have that to aim for. 

543
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,280
And then the smart metre itself 
is made from a lithium battery 

544
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:03,080
and lithium is highly explosive.
So it goes from maybe 100°C to 

545
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:09,520
6000° Fahrenheit, not 
centigrade, 6000°F in just 

546
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,600
seconds. 
So the smart metre explodes and 

547
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,800
continues that through the the 
copper wiring through the house.

548
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,040
And so you immediately have the 
house burning from the inside 

549
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,280
out. 
And that's what I truly believed

550
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,920
happened. 
Let me pull over there. 

551
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,840
What would you say to those? 
And there are a number of people

552
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,360
that have looked at the water 
issues, have looked at all these

553
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,040
matters, but they stop a little 
short about dude, directed 

554
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,520
energy weapons. 
DEW. 

555
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,920
Yes, the military does have 
noted directed energy 

556
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,639
programmes, the US military 
included, I believe, other 

557
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,679
militaries. 
But some people will say, oh, 

558
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,400
come on, you know, lasers from 
the sky, directed energy 

559
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,800
weapons. 
That's the stuff of Star Trek. 

560
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,320
Flash Gordon. 
It's too futuristic. 

561
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,760
We're not there yet. 
Of course you're going to get 

562
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,680
denial from from the government.
But maybe in this case, they're 

563
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,280
telling the truth. 
You know, maybe they're not 

564
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,680
there yet. 
We've heard John Brennan, former

565
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,200
head of the CIA, the Central 
Central Intelligence Agency, 

566
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,000
address the Council on Foreign 
Relations. 

567
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,880
That's documented where he 
talked about weather 

568
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,000
modification in a somewhat vague
and futuristic way. 

569
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,040
Like someday we'll be there. 
Someday we'll be able to do 

570
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,360
this. 
Someday we'll be able to do 

571
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,520
that. 
So there seems to be this 

572
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,280
knowledge gap or this 
perspective, different 

573
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:39,080
perspectives where some people 
will readily say, yes, directed 

574
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,560
energy, but others don't grab 
onto that or they don't feel 

575
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,520
there's enough proof of that. 
What, what would you say based 

576
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,280
on the experiences of yourself 
and others to that? 

577
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:55,120
Because I get a lot of that. 
So it is more and more the fact 

578
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,640
that people are beginning to 
recognise that something was 

579
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,440
very different from these fires 
and it was not only the centres 

580
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,360
of fire. 
I go into the fire that happened

581
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,520
in Paradise where 19,000 homes 
were destroyed, all looking the 

582
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:17,680
same, and the same with Lahaina 
and Maui where 2000 homes were 

583
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:23,400
destroyed, all looking the same.
And then I, I go into the fires 

584
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,920
that happened the next year in 
Texas as well as Canada. 

585
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,480
And then I end up with the fires
that happened in Los Angeles 

586
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:37,200
and, or they had 16,000 homes 
destroyed again, all metal 

587
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,880
melted down to the cement 
foundation pulverised. 

588
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,720
And you cannot say that these 
are normal forest fires. 

589
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,880
But and, and then the other 
thing, what kind of a forest 

590
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,040
fire zaps every home and leaves 
the forest standing? 

591
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,600
All the trees were standing 
around these homes and trees 

592
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,520
around our neighbours homes 
we're standing. 

593
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,040
So I know it's a horrible 
thought to think that any 

594
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,840
government could possibly be 
doing this, but 32 nations have 

595
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,800
Direct Energy weapons and you go
into a government website, they 

596
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,000
are very proud of them. 
They show what they're they're 

597
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:21,160
amazing different I instruments 
look like that are causing this 

598
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,800
in my book. 
I show a picture of right there 

599
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,800
on the Maui island as a second 
Air Force Base that uses Direct 

600
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,080
Energy weapons and they were 
just awarded for creating this 

601
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,520
really large one. 
And if you go to the Lockheed 

602
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,040
Martin website, they're the 
biggest government agency that 

603
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,800
helps produce these weapons. 
They have videos that show their

604
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,600
technology, what they're able 
capable of doing, how they can 

605
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:56,200
either shoot from down below and
destroy any kind of a drone up 

606
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,760
in the sky, or they can shoot 
from the drone down to the 

607
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,520
ground and and cause fires even 
or destroy weapons. 

608
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,560
They can shoot ships on the 
ocean and destroy them. 

609
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,040
So of course they're saying that
these are all being used for 

610
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,360
protection for people, but the 
fact that they're being so 

611
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,920
widely, these fires everywhere, 
and that's really the only 

612
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,640
explanation for them. 
And and then in my book, I also 

613
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,360
let people understand why I 
truly believe these were planned

614
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,960
fires, because they wanted that 
land for something else. 

615
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,920
You can't have a planned fire 
with a little forest fire that 

616
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:44,160
chooses its own method and where
it's going. 

617
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,040
In my book, I show there was a 
section of Santa Rosa called 

618
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:54,160
Coffee Park that the city, the 
Board of Supervisors had already

619
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,160
planned a certain section of it 
and had a map laid out in June 

620
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,840
of 2017. 
And then lo and behold, in 

621
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:08,160
October when this fire hit, that
exact same map was destroyed. 

622
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,800
A little bit over the edges here
and there, but you can't have 

623
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,000
something already planned out 
and follow a map unless this was

624
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,400
a directed energy fire. 
And that's, that's the only 

625
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,400
explanation. 
And more and more people are 

626
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,080
finally beginning to realise 
this, as painful as it is, but 

627
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:32,360
to be able to talk about. 
Yeah, I mean, if I look at it 

628
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,360
like a detective, I, I grew up 
watching Colombo and Sherlock 

629
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,440
Holmes serials and whatnot, 
Colombo would say, but you know,

630
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,240
how else could it happen? 
I mean, in other words, there's 

631
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,960
only so many ways that you could
make that happen. 

632
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,400
And you have plenty of photos in
actually both books, especially 

633
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,880
the Infernal Enigma, Inferno 
Enigma, excuse me, but both 

634
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,480
books, you've got several 
pictures where, as you 

635
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,320
described, the fire patterns are
precise for each house. 

636
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,240
It's very surgical. 
And then you get to a street and

637
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:10,720
the entire fire stops and 
there's barely any, if any 

638
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,560
debris on the net on the street.
That is sort of where everything

639
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,400
ends. 
And then the houses across that 

640
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,120
street are perfectly intact. 
That's right. 

641
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,880
That was in Coffee Park and the 
other. 

642
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,680
You also show you also show 
pictures. 

643
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,240
Sorry, sorry. 
Go ahead. 

644
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,760
For them to get to coffee park 
they're supposed to forest fire,

645
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,880
had to jump 4 lanes of a super 
freeway and then start the fire 

646
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,360
again. 
It just it doesn't make sense. 

647
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,000
Yeah, and, and again, looking at
it like the detective, if the 

648
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,160
trees aren't burning much, if 
any of the trees, then how can 

649
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,400
the forest fire travel from one 
place to another? 

650
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,360
What is fire? 
Fire is basically a plasma of 

651
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,040
burning material and it it feeds
on itself and it has to have 

652
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,920
something to feed on. 
You can't have a campfire 

653
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,080
without wood. 
You can't just say voila, voila,

654
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,680
make fire. 
So there has to be fuel for the 

655
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,240
fire. 
And if the if the trees aren't 

656
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:17,160
burning, how could it travel, 
much less have the intensity to 

657
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,480
take out all the homes in the 
same absolutist total way that 

658
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,920
you're describing? 
So the detective runs into the 

659
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,440
wall and says, there's only so 
many ways this could happen. 

660
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,960
Now, someone might say, let's 
keep exploring this. 

661
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,280
I'm not totally satisfied with 
the directed energy theory. 

662
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,440
We'll just call it that. 
But the important thing is that 

663
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,400
this needs to be thoroughly 
investigated and not that it 

664
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,920
hasn't been. 
You've done a great job 

665
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,200
yourself, but those that are 
experiencing these things, those

666
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,040
that already have unfortunately.
And if, if this happens again, 

667
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,920
I've always contended that soil 
samples and partially burnt wood

668
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,880
samples, partially burnt metal 
samples, anything remaining 

669
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,280
needs to be taken to a lab and 
given a very, a very complex set

670
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,320
of testing, a lot of testing 
needs to go on. 

671
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,720
I'll just put that out there. 
And so I would just say to those

672
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:18,080
sceptics that maybe kind of stop
after the water crisis thing and

673
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,320
they're hedging a little, a 
little bit about what they're 

674
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,920
hearing right now in this 
interview. 

675
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,560
The main thing is the line of 
inquiry. 

676
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,480
The inquiry needs to continue. 
Then we can all be satisfied 

677
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,160
that the evidence is is 
continuing to be accumulated and

678
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,200
we'll all find out what the 
answers are. 

679
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,160
But a good detective at this 
point, based on what you know, 

680
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,800
would say directed energy cannot
be taken off the table. 

681
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,080
It has to be perhaps the 
predominant theory or the 

682
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,080
predominant presupposition of 
what probably happened. 

683
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,960
But we'll keep looking. 
If I could also add one other 

684
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,960
point, There were trees that 
burned, but they were burning 

685
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,000
from the inside out and I show 
several pictures of that. 

686
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,440
How can a tree burn from the 
inside out unless there was a 

687
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,560
ZAP, a directed energy weapon 
that hit the ground. 

688
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,480
And as you know, water carries 
electricity. 

689
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,720
So the water in the ground was 
carrying this electromagnetic 

690
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,400
current energy fire that then 
goes through the roots of the 

691
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,720
tree up inside the tree and 
causes it to catch fire and burn

692
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:26,360
from the inside out. 
And then the other interesting 

693
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,320
thing is no plastic garbage cans
burned. 

694
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,440
So if this were a normal fire, 
our fire back in 1984, 

695
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,000
everything plastic burned and 
melted, but no plastic garbage 

696
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,360
cans burned. 
As you know, a microwave fire 

697
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:48,280
does not burn plastic, but it 
metal in a microwave it destroys

698
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,360
the the microwave but but 
plastic does not burn. 

699
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:56,560
And so in my book, I show one 
picture after another of all the

700
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,920
plastic garbage cans that were 
left standing. 

701
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:05,920
And a lady and her husband in 
Natra had a fire come that 

702
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,440
destroyed their entire home, but
all their plastic lawn chairs 

703
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,440
were still there. 
No plastic melted. 

704
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,800
Isn't that a phenomenal thing? 
No, that that is uncanny because

705
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,320
plastic would have a much lower 
threshold. 

706
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,000
Generally speaking, when 
confronted with high heat, it 

707
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,000
would be by all our normal 
experiences, it would be among 

708
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,360
the first things to kind of 
collapse upon itself. 

709
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,040
Put a lightweight plastic cup 
too close to a gas burner on 

710
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,600
your stove and see what happens.
It just kind of, it just kind of

711
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,200
crumples and melts and 
dissolves, if you will. 

712
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,920
And, And so yeah, that these are
among the many anomalies and we 

713
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,640
can all put our detective caps 
on regardless of what level we 

714
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,880
believe, regardless of what, if 
we think the evidence is 

715
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,320
satisfying for directed energy 
or not, the main thing is to 

716
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,720
keep looking. 
Don't stop looking, don't stop 

717
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:04,720
investigating. 
And then we can all get 

718
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,880
together. 
It won't be a divisive issue in 

719
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,280
any way. 
And and keep finding out, 

720
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,880
peeling the onion and find out 
what's going on here. 

721
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,720
And if I could add just one more
thing, many people believe that 

722
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:20,680
that is why in Lahaina, they 
turned off the water. 

723
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:25,520
And the water agent in charge 
said, oh, well, it's a matter of

724
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,200
equity. 
And before we can allow the 

725
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,560
water to be used for everyone on
the island, we must first have a

726
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,800
discussion of equity, which was 
ridiculous. 

727
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:40,160
And the same with Los Angeles. 
The reservoir there that they 

728
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,040
could have dipped in to use 
water was totally empty. 

729
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,520
And some people believe had they
tried to use that water on a on 

730
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,320
an electrical fire, people then 
would have been very suspicious 

731
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,000
that this was not a normal fire 
because the water would not put 

732
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,000
out the fire. 
It would just make it worse. 

733
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,360
So they just got rid of the 
water so no one could actually 

734
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,680
see that water tried to put out 
a fire. 

735
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,480
Oh, so yeah, you're saying that 
had they use conventional water 

736
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,000
firefighting techniques and use 
water just like if you look 

737
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,680
online or go to your fire 
department and get some public 

738
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,920
information books, you know, if 
you have a kitchen fire or if 

739
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,320
you have an electrical fire, do 
not use water. 

740
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,040
And most of us grew up knowing 
that that in an electrical fire 

741
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,840
you need to use some sort of 
special extinguisher that has a 

742
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,920
certain kind of foam. 
So in other words, you're saying

743
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,280
that had there been plenty of 
water with which to fight fires,

744
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,360
but had the fire been mainly 
electrical in nature or origin, 

745
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:44,040
then it would have been all the 
more obvious that the fire 

746
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,440
wasn't conventional? 
That's right, they would have 

747
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,040
known that this was like a 
microwave fire. 

748
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,600
That's, that's very interesting 
to consider for the detectives 

749
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,720
among us and we can all be good 
detectives here. 

750
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Now looking at your Inferno 
Enigma book a little more 

751
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,720
closely and some some of my 
notes here. 

752
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:06,160
I've been doing a lot of reading
lately and really enjoying your 

753
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:12,720
work about about the Maui fires 
in Hawaii in particular. 

754
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,720
Here's just some of the 
questions. 

755
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Why was the power turned off in 
certain areas so no cell phones 

756
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,040
could be used? 
Why were no alarms sounded in 

757
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,840
Maui? 
Not even any warning from police

758
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,160
or firemen with their bull 
horns, which is just, you know, 

759
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,440
that's not even electronic or 
maybe they have a little 

760
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,280
electronic speaker on them. 
What kind of brush fire burns 

761
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,880
hot enough to melt metal and 
glass? 

762
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,720
We've went over that. 
Why was there a police blockade 

763
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:44,280
in Maui? 
So no cars could leave until the

764
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,280
cars were all, you know, 
seriously damaged by this 

765
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,840
paradoxical kind of fire. 
Why was the water turned off and

766
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,840
the reservoir not filled, 
etcetera? 

767
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,640
And then of course, the grand 
question perhaps of them all, 

768
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,320
the actually there's two Were 
the fires caused by man made 

769
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,560
climate change, as the media and
governors have been saying? 

770
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,320
Or could it have been something 
seemingly exotic like directed 

771
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,440
energy weapons? 
And were these planned fires? 

772
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,680
Were they done for a land grab 
to turn certain areas into, you 

773
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,640
might say ripe acreage for smart
cities, 15 minute cities? 

774
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:25,360
And I talked about Rahm Emanuel 
and how the global cities thing 

775
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,880
works a little bit. 
Never let a good crisis go to 

776
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,720
waste. 
In other words, what were the 

777
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:33,320
Maui fires? 
The ultimate crisis to not let 

778
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,800
it go to waste. 
That's right. 

779
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,120
And the fact that they will not 
let any rebuilding go in these 

780
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,040
certain areas that had already 
been designated to be their 

781
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:49,240
smart cities in in Lahaina, they
are saying that they cannot 

782
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:53,760
rebuild because the coastline is
too unstable. 

783
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,560
How many hundreds of years had 
homes been on those coastlines? 

784
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,840
And they've been just fine, but 
suddenly they are too unstable, 

785
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,560
so no one can rebuild. 
And so instead, the governor has

786
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,520
made the statement that we're 
not going to let foreigners or 

787
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,080
anyone else come and take over 
this land. 

788
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,600
We're going to take over it 
ourselves. 

789
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,520
So the government now owns that 
land and the government can then

790
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,640
do whatever they want to do with
which I believe they're going to

791
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,760
turn that that whole area into a
big smart city as they had 

792
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,680
planned. 
They I show a a map that they 

793
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:35,400
had planned this back in, in I 
think 2015, 2012. 

794
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,160
It's called smart. 
It's not smart grid. 

795
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,000
What is it? 
You probably have this picture 

796
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:50,840
of that right before you. 
But anyway, they, they had 

797
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,040
planned this just as they had 
with Santa Rosa with this 

798
00:49:54,040 --> 00:50:00,680
certain area. 
And then when you go to, to to 

799
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,560
Los Angeles, they're saying the 
same thing that they were not 

800
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:09,240
allowed to rebuild along the 
coastline, that they need it for

801
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:13,440
buffer zones. 
And so the governor of 

802
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,800
California and that the mayor of
Los Angeles, they're all saying 

803
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,600
the same thing that they cannot 
rebuild. 

804
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,800
They have to have it as buffer 
zones. 

805
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,280
They had already planned to have
this area as a big smart city as

806
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:28,920
well. 
So this. 

807
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,200
Let me ask you this, Orlean, 
because this is a very revealing

808
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,440
question and I don't want to 
presuppose what the answer is. 

809
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,640
Would it be an accurate 
statement to say that in 

810
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,400
addition to the areas you just 
mentioned where they're not 

811
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,520
allowing rebuilding, would it 
also be true about paradise? 

812
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,360
In other words, is it pretty 
much across the board that 

813
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,280
wherever these inexplicably 
uniform and totally destructive 

814
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,920
wildfires, quote unquote 
happened, is it pretty much true

815
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,240
across the board that in most or
at least or possibly even all of

816
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:03,880
those areas, rebuilding has not 
been allowed? 

817
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,560
Would that be a true statement? 
Yes. 

818
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:12,160
And specifically their strategic
areas that they had already 

819
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,680
designated as to be used for 
something else. 

820
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,840
Some people think that they 
wanted Paradise to be used as to

821
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,920
bring the smart train through. 
And fortunately we've been able 

822
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:29,520
to stop that, this bullet train 
that the governor has been 

823
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,120
trying to push. 
But others think there's gold up

824
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,120
in Paradise and they would like 
to develop it for her mines. 

825
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,280
And there's definitely other 
plans that they have for all of 

826
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,440
these cities. 
And what I write about in in 

827
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,400
Santa Rosa, the Coffee Park area
was already planned to be their 

828
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,440
redevelopment area and they were
planning all the people moving 

829
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,200
out, 1200 people leaving and 
selling their land because they 

830
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,160
were going to have such a hard 
time rebuilding. 

831
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,680
Also, the insurance companies 
will not usually cover the cost 

832
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,360
of rebuilding the cement 
foundation because that has 

833
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,080
never been necessary in fires 
before. 

834
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,760
So the insurance costs are so 
much higher and people are 

835
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,160
finding that out. 
But fortunately 1 sweet little 

836
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:24,800
lady in Coffee Park started this
movement and got the people 

837
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,680
working together and loving each
other so much that no one wanted

838
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,800
to leave. 
And and so they did rebuild and 

839
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,400
they were rebuilt together and 
they would pass on really good 

840
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,360
tidbits to each other. 
And every Wednesday night after,

841
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,440
as soon as the fires happened, 
as she's a a single mother, a 

842
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,320
teacher would get all of their 
neighbours together and have 

843
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,320
roast hot dogs and have wine and
talk about rebuilding and giving

844
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,040
each other encouragement. 
So nobody sold their property. 

845
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,360
So Santa Rosa had to figure out 
some other areas for their 

846
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,040
redevelopment zone. 
So that's one of the things I 

847
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,040
say in my book, if we can learn 
to work together with our 

848
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,200
neighbours and support each 
other, maybe we can fight this 

849
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,760
and we won't have to give up and
move away. 

850
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:13,880
Of course, where the government 
has already taken over that 

851
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,920
land, as in Lahaina and parts of
Los Angeles, it's going to be 

852
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:25,560
really hard to do that. 
Isn't that interesting that the 

853
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,240
most basic, the most, you know, 
commonplace kind of human 

854
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:33,640
association, getting together at
the kitchen table, having some 

855
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,520
coffee, having some wine and 
just talking about we love our 

856
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,720
town, we love our neighbourhood,
we love our homes. 

857
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:42,200
We're going to rebuild. 
And you're you're putting your 

858
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,680
foot down, but you know you're 
not, you're not raising any 

859
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,120
firearms. 
You're not, you know, you're not

860
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,680
engaging in any kind of 
revolution that people would 

861
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,880
typically think of a revolution,
you know, unarmed overthrow of 

862
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,160
these evil governors. 
You're simply wanting to live 

863
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,200
where you've always lived and 
enjoy it. 

864
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:05,640
And it it worked in that case. 
And possibly it, it could have 

865
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,720
worked in paradise or, or other 
areas. 

866
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:10,840
But the media, right? 
The media pretty much agrees 

867
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,360
with what the government is 
saying. 

868
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,640
You know, these are just, you 
know, random fires. 

869
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,480
Maybe some guy put out his cigar
in the wrong place. 

870
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,080
You know, let's show Smokey the 
Bear on TV. 

871
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,040
This is all just conventional. 
Who left? 

872
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,200
Who left that campfire 
unattended, Right? 

873
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,760
And and yet we're supposed to 
believe that an unattended 

874
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,240
campfire or a, a power line that
went down when it was when there

875
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:37,480
was drought conditions or 
lightning hit, maybe dry 

876
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,080
lightning or there was a rare 
storm in an otherwise dry area 

877
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,880
and lightning started a fire 
somewhere. 

878
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,120
And that that resulted in these 
massive, uniformly destructive 

879
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,760
fires. 
It just doesn't hold water, 

880
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,120
pardon the pun, to use those 
kind of explanations. 

881
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,400
And you know, we have, we have 
different belief systems and 

882
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,200
many people believe things at 
different levels. 

883
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,440
But it's just really heartening 
from my perspective to hear that

884
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,320
the neighbours got together in 
that instance and fought back in

885
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,600
the most basic way, you know, to
help each other and, and 

886
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,720
actually make a difference in 
that way. 

887
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:22,920
But anyway, the, the overall 
issues that we're talking about 

888
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,400
here do really beg for 
solutions. 

889
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:35,200
Do you feel at this point in 
time that the machinations that 

890
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:39,280
you've seen, the, the extreme 
drought, the floods tearing down

891
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,440
the dams in the Klamath River 
and maybe some 76 other dams 

892
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,040
across the country, 4 dams in 
Klamath and, and these 

893
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:52,960
paradoxical fires, Plastic ought
to meld and it's not the fire so

894
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,240
uniform and uniformly 
destructive, suggesting at least

895
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,200
the possibility of directed 
energy. 

896
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,520
Are you seeing any of this 
relenting? 

897
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,920
A lot of this happened between 
between 2015 and 2019, but 

898
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,400
there's been more recent things.
Is this relenting at all? 

899
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,440
Is public awareness beginning to
inspire those that might be 

900
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,680
engineering these things to to 
maybe back off a little? 

901
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,320
Or are they just sharpening 
their knives quietly and this 

902
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,120
might come around again? 
Or is it not relenting at all? 

903
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,640
What what's what's the reality 
right now? 

904
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:33,600
I do think because of so many 
podcasts popping up and people 

905
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,600
having their own ability to talk
about these things, I think 

906
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,800
people are becoming more aware. 
There's a a lady in Southern 

907
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:48,600
California who started her own 
website and she's been speaking 

908
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:55,800
about this and, and lots, I 
think over 100 different podcast

909
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,000
editions. 
And she definitely believes that

910
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,840
these are directed energy 
weapons and is very forthright 

911
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:08,280
about talking about it. 
Her name is Peggy Hall and I do 

912
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,200
quote her in my book. 
She gives 10 facts that are 

913
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,400
similar with every single fire 
that could not make any sense if

914
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,800
they were not coming from DDEWSS
dues. 

915
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,840
And then there are other, 
there's a couple that started a 

916
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,800
website, they talk about it as 
well. 

917
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,480
So I think more and more people 
are listening and becoming 

918
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,200
aware. 
It's just how do you stop this 

919
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,880
from happening? 
As we mentioned, there are some 

920
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,160
states that are passing laws 
against chemtrails. 

921
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,280
Maybe they could also, if they 
believe that, maybe they could 

922
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,560
also believe there are such 
things as fires started by 

923
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,320
Direct Energy weapons. 
Maybe they could pass laws 

924
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,400
against that. 
But we do need to become more 

925
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,600
aware and we need to have the 
courage to speak out, even if 

926
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,920
it's on a subject that is not 
very popular. 

927
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,000
I'm sure the whole subject, you 
know, we, we tend to grow up 

928
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,200
thinking that our government 
loves us and we kind of think of

929
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:14,240
them as parents, that they have 
our best interests in heart at 

930
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,080
heart. 
But if you find out things like 

931
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,720
this, you wonder what on earth 
has gone going on. 

932
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,760
And I do believe all of this is 
part of Agenda 21, Agenda 2030. 

933
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,920
And in my book, at the very end,
I mention the Fabian Society in 

934
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:35,160
England and how much power 
they've had over the government 

935
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,200
in England. 
And very influential people 

936
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,000
belong to it, former prime 
ministers. 

937
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,560
And they have this stained glass
window where they show the 

938
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:50,560
founders of the Fabian Society 
all hammering. 

939
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,200
Well, two of them hammering on 
the earth and one of them 

940
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,440
blowing the the bellows to heat 
up the earth. 

941
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:02,320
And, and I thought, is that what
they thought by by these fires 

942
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,240
heating up the earth that can 
actually cause amazing changes. 

943
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,640
And that's what their motto is 
to remould the earth according 

944
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,640
to our heart's desire. 
That's at the top of their 

945
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,440
stained glass window. 
Are they trying to remould the 

946
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,400
earth through these fires to 
bring about their heart's 

947
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,040
desire, which is pure socialism,
communism, and more and more 

948
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,800
control? 
And I, I truly believe that 

949
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,520
that's part of it. 
That's the whole purpose behind 

950
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:34,400
the United Nations and their 
agendas is total control of our 

951
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,720
lives. 
And they're very happy to tell 

952
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,400
you about that. 
And the big thick book that they

953
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:44,040
published about Agenda 21, they 
mentioned that it's all about 

954
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,440
control. 
They want to control our the air

955
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,560
we breathe, the water we drink, 
the food we eat, the clothes we 

956
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,720
wear, our transportation. 
And by using the myth of climate

957
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,960
change, they can constantly make
us so afraid that we're using 

958
00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:05,240
too much carbon and and that 
we've got to get rid of our 

959
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:10,160
carbon dioxide and we have to 
have even the control of our 

960
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:15,160
lives to carbon credits on our 
our little. 

961
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,640
Credit cards. 
And if we do use up too many 

962
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,120
carbon credits, we will not be 
able to go shopping. 

963
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,200
We'll not be able to buy what we
need. 

964
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,240
And also, if there's social 
credit score, like in China, if 

965
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,440
you are not a good citizen, if 
you dare to speak out against 

966
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,280
the government like I'm doing 
right now, or expose these 

967
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,320
things, then your credits will 
be taken away on your social 

968
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,640
credit score, on your credit 
card and you won't be able to go

969
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,560
shopping or buy what you need. 
So this is all about control. 

970
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,080
And the more you investigate it,
the more you've realised that's 

971
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,320
that's the answer. 
And big governments like to 

972
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,240
control their citizens. 
And that's what socialism, 

973
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,480
communism is all about. 
And we would like to keep our 

974
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,480
freedoms in our nation as long 
as we possibly can. 

975
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,840
That's what has made our nation 
the great country it is. 

976
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:10,560
And it's so sad to see these 
freedoms being taken away and 

977
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,800
that's. 
You know, I'm, I'm reminded 

978
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,000
Orlean, I'm reminded I, I happen
to watch a lot of westerns. 

979
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,280
I watch mostly older TV shows 
when I watch TV at all. 

980
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:25,240
And in a lot of the westerns, 
the there's some sort of 

981
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,440
malefact or some sort of dark 
character or maybe a group of 

982
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:34,000
them, and they might burn down a
town or a village or they might 

983
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,280
run some Indians off their land.
And I think a lot of people 

984
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,080
mistakenly believe they were 
just being mean to the Indians. 

985
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,520
But in many of the themes, and, 
you know, art imitates life, 

986
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,400
oftentimes many of the themes of
these Westerns, the guys doing 

987
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,280
The Dirty work are working for 
some kind of guys in suit 

988
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,640
smoking cigars in a smoky room 
somewhere. 

989
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,640
And they're clearing the land 
for a railroad. 

990
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,840
They're clearing a land to drill
oil. 

991
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,560
They're clearing the land to 
mine minerals. 

992
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,640
And in the more sophisticated 
scenarios and some of these 

993
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,080
dramas, they're they're 
devaluing the land so the 

994
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,600
governors with their cigars and 
their buddies in government can 

995
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:16,400
get the land on the cheap. 
And so it's nothing new and it's

996
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,680
been recorded both in fictional 
format and non fictional format.

997
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,680
And often times fiction imitates
non fiction. 

998
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,800
You know, there's a there's a 
cross pollination there. 

999
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,960
It's nothing new for brigands 
and and pirates wearing three 

1000
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:36,320
piece suits to go in, get their 
kneecappers, send in the guys 

1001
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,760
that do The Dirty work, devalue 
land, get the minerals, get the 

1002
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,200
gold. 
You mentioned gold possibly 

1003
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,040
being a factor, which sounds 
like something out of the past, 

1004
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,720
right? 
But so it, it shouldn't be 

1005
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,760
surprising to any of us, 
particularly when you look at 

1006
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:57,520
the history of the American 
West, that dark forces and, and 

1007
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:03,080
manufacturers and mountabanks 
and things like that. 

1008
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,760
You know, people with with very,
very deep agendas are going 

1009
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,600
after natural resources or land 
and they want to play dirty. 

1010
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:16,600
And so, so the only question 
remains is how sophisticated do 

1011
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,760
they want to get and just how 
down and dirty do they want to 

1012
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,960
get? 
And so are we seeing, and I'm 

1013
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,160
only putting it in the form of a
question, are we seeing that 

1014
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,960
Wild West mentality now with 
high technology, which 

1015
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:33,600
yesteryear was done with, you 
know, guns and cannon maybe and 

1016
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,800
fire, but now it's it's simply 
more sophisticated. 

1017
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,800
But we're simply seeing the more
that things change, the more 

1018
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,880
they stay the same. 
They're just using different 

1019
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,640
tools. 
Could it be true? 

1020
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:48,640
And I I did want to mention one 
of the other thing I in my 

1021
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,040
investigation of the fires in 
Texas and Canada. 

1022
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,560
So at one time, and that's why I
wrote that big huge bat book. 

1023
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:03,440
I mean, get a copy of it. 
Anyway, I think it's behind me, 

1024
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:04,720
but oh, here it is. 
That's OK. 

1025
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,720
So. 
So this one. 

1026
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,280
Oh, OK, that's fine. 
By stealth and deception, USA 

1027
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,000
transformation. 
And it's parallel to the to the 

1028
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,720
European Union. 
When I wrote that, they were 

1029
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:21,840
trying to push through a 
transatlantic corridor that 

1030
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,960
would cross from Canada all the 
way down through the United 

1031
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,600
States, through Mexico, all the 
way to Panama. 

1032
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,400
And Phyllis Schlafly, the lady 
that started Eagle for him, got 

1033
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,680
wind of it and started writing 
about it. 

1034
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,640
She had a syndicated column and 
at that time it was just called 

1035
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,720
Security and and Prosperity 
Partnership. 

1036
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,600
But they were just like the 
Common Market. 

1037
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,920
The European Common Market was 
morphed into the European Union.

1038
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,440
This security prosperity 
partnership was a trade 

1039
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,040
agreement between Canada, the 
United States and Mexico. 

1040
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,440
And they were going to slowly 
morph it into this North 

1041
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,920
American Union because she got 
wind of it and started writing 

1042
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,280
about it. 
And then other people joined the

1043
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,880
battle, like Lou Dobbs started 
talking about it on his 

1044
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,760
television show. 
They've had to backtrack and but

1045
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:16,560
part of the plan was to have a 
huge transatlantic, well, NAFTA 

1046
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,400
superhighway because NAFTA was 
behind this, pushing it. 

1047
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,640
And so that kind of came to a 
screeching halt. 

1048
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,560
The NAFTA superhighway was 
supposed to start in Texas, 

1049
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,760
going right through the centre 
of Texas, through some cities 

1050
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,920
and areas that they would have 
had to totally transform and get

1051
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,000
rid of. 
And so that came to a halt. 

1052
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:42,720
Well, these new fires that 
started in the Panhandle, 

1053
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,040
there's a new plan now. 
It's no longer called the Trans 

1054
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,840
Texas corridor. 
It's now called the Ports 2 

1055
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:54,040
Plains corridor. 
And it's going through a part of

1056
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:59,200
the north part of the Trans, the
northern part of Texas, the 

1057
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:04,280
Panhandle where the the farmers 
were more and they wouldn't have

1058
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,240
to go through major cities that 
was not going to be so wide. 

1059
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,520
But I truly believe that this 
plan is continuing on. 

1060
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:18,440
And Joe Biden signed this into 
law on in the year 2022. 

1061
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:24,720
And 200 other organisations even
elected congressman were 

1062
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,000
supporting this. 
So this is the new plan. 

1063
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:35,160
It's called Ports 2 planes and 
it will be I-21 now instead of 

1064
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,800
what it was be going to be 
before going through the the 

1065
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:44,080
Panhandle of of Texas on through
all the way on the way up to 

1066
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:48,720
Canada and Canada in the 
meantime was all beings also 

1067
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,040
being transformed with all of 
their fires. 

1068
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,880
So that area is now open for 
their corridors to be built. 

1069
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,560
So I think that's another sneaky
part of this that most people 

1070
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,480
are not talking about. 
And then the trans, the new 

1071
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,280
Texas corridor will go all the 
way through Mexico, down through

1072
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:13,520
all the way to the city of 
Panama. 

1073
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:18,520
And that's where China gets in. 
China has always wanted to 

1074
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,840
control the Panama Canal. 
And they were actually building 

1075
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,840
a bridge to go over the the 
canal to make this this whole 

1076
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:31,080
transportation corridor even 
easier than it would go across 

1077
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:35,920
Panama on through South America.
And as you know, some of us 

1078
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,400
believe they've been trying to 
have a one world government for 

1079
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,960
the longest time. 
And having this, all these 

1080
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,480
countries connected through 
their corridors and their 

1081
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,760
trading makes it so much easier.
And, and when you notice the 

1082
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,160
maps of all of this, there are 
no boundaries. 

1083
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,960
All the borders are gone. 
And I show those maps in my 

1084
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,600
book. 
So anyway, I believe that is 

1085
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:00,160
what the Canadian fires and the 
Texas fires were all about as 

1086
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,400
well. 
And so many poor innocent little

1087
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,080
farmers were wiped out. 
And those fires, all their 

1088
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,360
cattle were killed. 
Their entire cattle industry 

1089
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,440
has, has gone. 
And it's it's very sad that 

1090
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:17,359
these evil people don't mind 
destroying lives, destroying 

1091
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,640
animals and destroying property 
to fulfil their dreams. 

1092
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,399
Yeah, there's, there's a lot to 
unpack there. 

1093
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,479
We can begin to summarise. 
I did cover the Trans Texas 

1094
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,479
corridor in fairly recent years 
and I'm familiar with this 

1095
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,880
transnational nature of the 
corridor. 

1096
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:39,000
And even now, you see, if you 
drive north, it'll say future 

1097
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:45,600
trade corridor to that effect, 
and it'll show 69 Hwy 69, where 

1098
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,720
69 doesn't yet exist, but it 
exists further north. 

1099
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,680
So it suggests that there'll be 
a connection made. 

1100
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,640
And then there's a highway that 
goes out of Little Rock, AR and 

1101
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,880
it goes northeast toward 57, a 
major highway that goes through 

1102
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,600
Illinois into Missouri, 
suggesting that that secondary 

1103
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:09,120
highway in northeast Arkansas 
will eventually become part of 

1104
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:14,080
Interstate 57. 
So there's a lot going on there.

1105
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:18,080
And, and it really takes a lot 
of effort to make it part of 57.

1106
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,319
So they're really going out of 
their way to to make that 

1107
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:23,920
happen. 
A lot of expense and it takes a 

1108
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,319
lot of time. 
One thing I will say is what 

1109
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:29,279
you're describing there appears 
to be going quite slowly. 

1110
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,120
I think they've been running 
into some roadblocks there 

1111
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,720
because I drive that way a lot 
and I don't think they're going 

1112
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,080
as fast as they'd like to. 
So there's a little bit of good 

1113
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:39,800
news there. 
I agree. 

1114
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,160
I think there's some really 
smart Texans that find out about

1115
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,680
it. 
One of those is Margaret and Dan

1116
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,279
Byfield that head up the 
American Stewards of Liberty. 

1117
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:53,640
They live in Texas and they've 
been, they fought the Trans 

1118
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,800
Texas corridor early on and 
they're the ones that actually 

1119
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,880
told me about the bridge that 
China's building. 

1120
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,480
Yeah, there's also a Terry, 
Terry Hall who runs the turf 

1121
01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:08,440
group Texas United for Reform 
and Freedom. 

1122
01:10:08,440 --> 01:10:09,160
My. 
First book. 

1123
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,120
That's right. 
Yes, yeah, Terry. 

1124
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:16,640
Terry is a lot like yourself, 
just a undefeatable, you know, 

1125
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:21,320
untiring activist Terry Hall and
yourself and the other person 

1126
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,120
that you mentioned there. 
Anyway, as we kind of wind up 

1127
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,320
today, Orlean, this is all very 
interesting. 

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Those watching this interview of
course can believe things at 

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whatever level they want. 
But the main thing is we all 

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have to keep our eyes and ears 
open and keep investigating and 

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keep an open mind and find out 
what the ultimate causes are. 

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Because this is all whatever 
technologies are being employed,

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whatever exactly is being done, 
this is all going in a direction

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that doesn't look good and so 
far has shown little else than 

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destruction and total tragedy in
many cases. 

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And, and so if history is our 
teacher, so far we're not seeing

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anything good come out of this. 
We're seeing that the maybe the 

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old warning or the the 
announcement of your Many years 

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ago in Popular Mechanics, there 
was an article where the 

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military claimed it would 
control the weather by 2025, the

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year 2025. 
That was an article in Popular 

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Mechanics and perhaps that's 
what has been unfolding. 

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Maybe, maybe not. 
But in in different degrees at 

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different levels, that appears 
to be the case. 

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There's a guy named James Lee or
Jim Lee that runs 

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climateviewer.com and Climate 
viewer.org. 

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I believe those websites are 
still up. 

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He's got some insights into all 
of this and the history of 

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weather modification, which 
believe it or not, goes back 

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more than 100 years, the very 
first attempts at at modifying 

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the weather. 
And anyway, Orlean, what are 

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what are the main websites where
people can look up your work and

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read it and decide for 
themselves? 

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So you can find all of my books 
on Books for truth.com and then 

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also the National Eagle Forum 
carries my books. 

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So you go to eagleforum.org and 
just look under books and you'll

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see my name. 
And then some of my books are 

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actually on Amazon. 
And I, I decided early on that 

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it was kind of more beneficial 
to be my own publisher. 

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So I, I published my own books 
now and what's so nice, I can 

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then update them whenever I want
to. 

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When you go with a professional 
publisher, that's not possible, 

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but you can find my really large
one by stealth interception on 

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Amazon. 
I've. 

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Also mentioned that. 
Islam pardon. 

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I wanted to mention that that's 
important that you use your 

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books in a very journalistic 
way. 

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When it's time for a new 
headline or an update, you do it

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generally speaking. 
And that's very important. 

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People are not getting something
that's just cemented in stone 

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never to be touched again. 
They're getting an ongoing 

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compendium and ongoing 
accounting chronicling what's 

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happening. 
And that's what's really 

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important about your work. 
And as you say, self publishing 

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is the key to that. 
I. 

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Was able to add the chapter 
about the Klamath dams coming 

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down, my book about the water 
crisis. 

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I was always warning people how 
terrible this would be if they 

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did come down. 
And now I've been able to add 

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that yes, everything had had 
been prophesied about that came 

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true and what a disaster it is. 
So I do try to keep them up to 

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date, especially on something as
important as that. 

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Indeed, the final statement I'll
make and then we'll we'll get 

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off the high, We'll get off the 
Texas superhighway here is that 

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it seems to me that if you were 
someone wanting to carry out 

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these agendas, and I'm just kind
of doing a hypothetical here 

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that you would engineer the 
climate to change. 

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You would change the climate in 
these more deep seated high tech

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ways. 
But then you'd blame it on 

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random climate change that they 
attribute to everything from Cal

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flatulence to your your charcoal
grill to the very automobile you

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drive. 
So change the climate. 

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Yeah. 
They tried to blame the Maui 

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fire on a hurricane that was 500
miles away. 

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Oh my goodness. 
Yeah, it. 

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Came from that, but they'll 
blame it on anything but the 

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truth. 
Yeah, so. 

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So by deliberately changing 
things, let's say hypothetically

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speaking, then you can blame it 
on the other thing and try and 

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give that theory more 
credibility because it's the 

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passive climate change, if you 
will, not the more deliberate 

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engineering one, but the passive
one. 

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That's the one they use or cite,
CITE site to justify Agenda 2030

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and beyond. 
So if you're, if you're Sauron 

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in Lord of the Rings, you know, 
you're the guy with the the ring

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and you're the ultimate source 
of the evil. 

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That conceivably is the kind of 
scenario that you'd want to put 

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together. 
That's very good. 

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I love that movie. 
We've seen it about 20 times. 

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Yeah, you. 
Definitely, you definitely like 

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it if you've seen it that many 
times, Orlean, if you have any 

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final statements. 
Otherwise, it's been very 

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enjoyable, you know, ferreting 
this out and getting this out in

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the open and sorting it out as 
best we can. 

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Do you have any final thoughts? 
Well, I just would like to thank

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you, Mark. 
It's been a pleasure to be here 

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with you. 
And my final thoughts are for 

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anyone listening to this, just 
how important freedom is. 

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And we have to to stick by our 
actions and whatever we can 

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possibly do to preserve our 
freedom. 

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As Ronald Reagan said, it's a 
very vanishing thing. 

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If we do not especially want to 
preserve it for the next 

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generation, we shouldn't take it
for granted. 

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And I know right now in the UK, 
the poor people there do not 

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have their freedom of speech 
anymore. 

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If they dare to write anything 
on social media about how they 

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feel. 
It's terrible that so many 

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Muslims are in the country, they
can actually be arrested and 

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that freedom of speech could 
vanish here as well if we don't 

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diligently try to protect it. 
So I'm very happy that an 

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organisation like this, UK forum
Begin exists, the UK column, and

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thankful for all the writers and
people like you, Mark Anderson, 

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for being part of it and trying 
to express the truth and get it 

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01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,320
out to everyone listening. 
Thank you, Arlene, for those 

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01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,680
kind words. 
Well, everyone, you've been 

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listening to my second UK column
interview for 2026, Orlene 

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Curla. 
Thank you, Orlene. 

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You're welcome. 
My pleasure.