Hello and welcome. This is my second UK column
interview of 2026. I'm Mark Anderson, correspondent
based in the US for UK column and I am very glad to welcome to
the show today Orlean Curla of California.
She's a long time Eagle Forum President and member in that
state. California is the other left
coast, along with the East Coast.
There's two left coasts in the US, as the joke goes.
But she's been fighting the good fight for a long time.
And it was in 1995, Orlean, as I recall reading your books and
talking with you, that you first began to realise that very
strange things were afoot with regards to water policy, with
with regards to drought, with regards to the weather, the
nature of the weather even. And it's been a long learning
curve for you. And you've been showing up at
meetings, you've been doing a lot of things to try and get
people to see the light as you learned what was going on you.
You've tried to help others. You've done a very good job of
it. A number of proposals and
propositions on the California ballot.
You've had a lot to do with some of those, some past, some
didn't, but you've really made a difference.
That's always impressed me in about the 15 years or so that
I've known you. But welcome to the show, Orlean.
Thank you very much, Mark. It's a pleasure to be here.
I've heard wonderful things about this UK column and it's
great that that Britain has such a wonderful organisation and
it's nice to be back with you. Indeed, yes, we're trying to
make a real difference beyond exposure seeking solutions.
Anyway, a good place to start is just a little bit of background.
I know I gave some there, but I think you've been a teacher.
Tell us just a little snapshot about yourself to supplement
what I said and maybe add to it. Well, I actually grew up on a
nice Idaho potato farm in a little town called Roberts,
Idaho. So I understand the plight of
the farmers that people are facing across the world now.
But I, I loved those wonderful, conservative, nice people that I
grew up with. And my father was the mayor of
the town. My uncle was a state senator.
And so that's kind of how I got started being interested in
politics. That's what we spoke about it
every dining room table, evening meal.
And I thought everyone grew up in a family like that, but I
discovered that was not the case.
Anyway, I when we moved to Santa Rosa, CA, it was my husband who
got a job at Sonoma State University that brought us here
and our youngest son was born the day after we arrived.
I have five sons and one daughter and when our youngest
son was in the 6th grade, I thought maybe I can go back to
teaching. So I had taught in Idaho Falls
when we were first married. I taught speech and drama and
journalism. It was really the journalism
that got me interested in writing.
And after teaching 20 years, then in when I was in 19 or
2010, I decided to retire and started writing even more books.
But my, my first book that I really was very interested in
was a very huge one. I'll show you that this is
called USA Transformation and it's parallel to the European
Union. And that was what really woke me
up to what was going on in the world.
But in 2006 is when I started really finding out about United
Nations Agenda 21, because we discovered that was right here
in Santa Rosa. And they were making it so that
anyone that had a Creek in their property, we have 7 acres and a
Creek running through it. That that Creek was supposed to
have 100 foot set back on both sides.
And you couldn't plough the land, you couldn't use it.
And I thought, what on earth is going on?
And I discovered this is all part of the agenda 21 plans for
us to have total control of our lives and our water, the air we
breathe, everything, our transportation.
And so I started doing more and more investigation about it.
And and that's when this California water crisis but came
out. And in this I mentioned How I
Met this wonderful lady, Rosa Corey.
And I know the UK column, Sandy Adams has mentioned her, that it
was her book Behind the Green Mask that woke her up.
And it was actually Rosa Curry that found out about Agenda 21
from me because she started attending some of our meetings
and heard me speak about it. And she was fighting the battles
inside our cities while I was fighting them out in our rural
area. So we would join forces and help
fight each other's battles, and that's kind of where my whole
beginning of battling, fighting, fighting has started was back in
2006. Anyway, Arlene, thank you for
that additional background on yourself.
And we can sprinkle more of that throughout the interview today
if we need to. But anyway, I've been looking
at, I've been looking at the aforementioned books,
California's water crisis, Agenda 212030.
Hopefully that'll become Agenda 3000 and never happened, right?
And Inferno, Enigma and I, I noticed that when I read through
these two books, there was a strong continuity.
One thing led to another, which led to another.
You, you're very talented in peeling the onion, as it were.
And in the book about California's water crisis, which
by itself is really unsettling to read, that this kind of
arrogance and this kind of mismanagement can happen in any
government, be it local, state, regional, whatever it it notes
here. And I took some notes on this.
Author Orlean Curla asked an important question of the
California water agencies at a Grange Hall meeting back
November 19, 2015. So just past your 10 year
anniversary there in Bennett Valley near Santa Rosa, CA.
And you asked this question, what if California has plenty of
rain and the drought is literally declared over?
Will the state of emergency, this, these are declared kind of
frequently, Will that state of emergency be ended?
And will all the regulations end?
And will, will the, will the water agencies like yourselves
who you're speaking to, will they go away?
And the agent in charge replied, of course not.
California will never receive enough rain to end this drought
or crisis. And we, the agents who are
overseeing this will never go away.
But I'm, what I'm getting out of this as I look through this, is
that a crisis is a very good business.
Some of us recall Rahm Emanuel, a long time mayor of Chicago,
who was involved in the global cities movement and he wrote a
book called When Mayors Ruled the World.
And the the idea was that cities would become much more involved
in global governance, kind of local globalism or what's called
globalism, and they would sort of invert everything.
And the cities would network together and basically step
outside the legal framework of the nations they inhabit and
network together to bring about grassroots globalism.
And so Rahm Emanuel was famous for saying never let a good
crisis go to waste. And this seems to be what's been
going on in California. They've never let a good crisis
go to waste. That's right.
And they keep creating new ones. They love those crises to keep
working with. I do quote him in my book.
And what was interesting, when I first wrote the book I had on
the cover, it showed a lake that had been totally, you know,
drained of its water like Folsom.
And then when I updated the book, we had a state of so much
rain that there was flooding all across.
Going to Reading Hwy 5. All of the trucks were
underwater and and it didn't matter then.
So now they use too much rain as a crisis.
So you they go from drought to flooding and never let the
crisis go away. Yeah, I recall travelling about
3 years ago in West TX out toward El Paso, toward New
Mexico, and I picked up a newspaper, the Pioneer Times I
believe it was called. And I was somewhat astonished,
although not blown away to read that the Texas Department of
Licencing and Regulation would rather routinely list the
applications for licences for cloud seeding.
And all told, the licences that were shared, the information
about the licence applications were shared as a legal news
notice in that small newspaper. So the companies wanting to do
the cloud seeding could say that they, they, they made the
minimum requirement of public notice by publishing that legal
ad in that rather obscure paper that probably hardly anybody
ever read, at least not in large numbers.
And some 30 million acres or so, or at least up to that were
targeted for cloud seeding. And what I find kind of
paradoxical is on the one hand, you could, you could logically
and in in an advanced way, you could plan on cloud seeding to
mitigate an expected drought. You know, we know this time of
year is going to be going to be dry.
We have to keep the water table up, the aquifers from which the
irrigation systems draw. And so therefore, we we need to
encourage a little rain, bring up the water table, and then the
irrigation will work better. Things won't become overly dry.
The crops won't fail. Otherwise, if you don't do that
minimal cloud seeding, in my mind, it's almost like a planned
fail. Let's just let the crops fail.
Let's let the almond trees dry up into nothing.
Or here in South Texas where I live, the orange Groves are
suffering something terrible. Even right now, as I speak,
we're having an extended route here in Hidalgo County and the
Rio Grande Valley, South Texas. But that's what's strange,
right, is that there's all this technology to mitigate drought.
And OK, on the other hand, we can have too much rain, then you
wouldn't want a cloud seed if you're anticipating too much
rain. Or is the cloud seeding causing
too much rain? But the bottom line is, is that
there is this kind of tool kit of different ways to modify the
weather, cloud seeding being one of them, and it could be used
for good. It seems to me and I this was in
the book that you just showed it could be used for good.
And yet we don't see a pattern of stewardship that suggests
that the authorities are doing the right thing.
It always looks like something nefarious or inexplicable is
happening. And they don't even want people
to know that cloud seeding is possible.
I try to keep it very hidden. And but we do know that it, it
really started with the Vietnam War.
They were using cloud seeding to create enormous rain so that the
the Viet Cong could not travel. There was too much mud on the
ground. And they've been using it for a
long, long time. And as I mentioned in my book,
PG and E Pacific gas and electric car electrical
providers here actually have a room on the 6th floor that's
called the weather modification room.
If they were not capable of doing such a thing, why would
they call it that? Yeah, PG and E, for the record,
is Pacific Gas and Electric in California, correct?
Yes. Yeah, that's a very large
utility there. Yeah, the the 6th floor, it
almost has that Kennedy sound to it, right, the 6th floor.
And at any rate that that is somewhat shocking in the sense
that they would be that open about it.
And yet at the same time, there's this kind of general
sense of denial that weather modification can exist.
It's worth mentioning at this, at this juncture, that someone
spoke to a think tank recently and they talked about NOAA, the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
And this person representing NOAA said that there's no
substantive, meaningful, impactful way that human beings
can modify the weather. But if you go to Noaa's website,
the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, part
of the federal government, it lists at least nine, maybe 10
ways that the weather can conceivably be modified.
And the reason it lists them is that it says that if you do
these without a licence, any of them or any combination of them,
you can be fined $10,000. Well, how can you be fined
$10,000 for multiple ways to modify the weather unless those
ways of modifying actually exist?
Exactly. And as I mentioned earlier, they
they have a patent to allow all of these various methods to be
used. You can't have a patent for
something that isn't possible. Yeah, exactly.
Multiple patents. The Patent Office of the United
States will not grant you a patent for something that's
theoretical. It has to actually work.
Look at my new mousetrap. It has to actually catch a
mouse. So, you know, yeah, these are
the things that make it so inexplicable and and disturbing.
Unsettling where you see what we're talking about, and yet
you've been to many meetings. I've been to a few myself.
And if you bring up even the most tame or innocuous ideas
regarding the weather that it could be modified by human
beings whatsoever, you're looked at like you have 3 heads.
Well, everything is are improving.
We have several states in our nation now that have passed laws
that there will be no chemtrails seating over their skies.
Florida is one of those. And you know, maybe 10 years ago
you it was impossible to even mention chemtrails without being
laughed at that the fact that they even have legislation that
has passed prohibiting this is, is remarkable.
So we have made a little progress.
Yeah, it's being recognised, just like in Florida, the
addition of fluoride, the fluoride to so called take care
of your teeth in water, in public water.
They're finally recognising that the principle is wrong.
You shall not mass Medicaid. It doesn't matter whether
fluoride helps your teeth when you put it in the public water
or not. You cannot mass Medicaid.
You cannot make everyone take something at the same time
without their consent. So it doesn't matter if it works
or not. The principle is wrong.
And I would argue, and I, and I know you've made this argument,
that here again, if you're putting something into the
atmosphere, no matter how innocuous, whether it works or
not, whether it, whether it is what you say it is or not, if
you do it without disclosure, it's wrong on its face.
And it it seems like what we do in the air, just like what we do
in the public water supply, ought to follow that same
principle. Definitely.
At any rate, the you also mentioned in your California
water crisis book that fast track to the winners of 2017,
2019-2020, 1 and 2025. We talked about that question
that you asked in 2015, and they said that the, you know, no
matter what happens, even if the heavy rains and whether there's
a drought or not a drought, they'll never drop the crisis
mode, the crisis status. You mentioned that the real
agenda behind water crisis is what are the goals of
regionalism and Agenda 21, which became Agenda 2030 under the UN
Sustainable Development Goals. There's seventeen of those.
How does geoengineering play into this crisis and that.
Let's get into that. How does geoengineering play
into this never ending crisis that you were told would never
go away by those California officials and then talk about
the Klamath River where you have hydraulic energy sources being
subdued or destroyed. First of all, yeah, how does the
geoengineering that we're we're definitely pounding on here.
How does that fit into the the greater agenda?
Well, geoengineering is just another fancier word for weather
modification and being able to manipulate the weather.
And in my book, I do show the various ways they can do this.
One of those is by HARP. HARP stands for High Area Aurora
Morales. What's the project?
And this is it still exists. It's in Alaska.
I show a picture of it. So it can be turned on and send
these very powerful electromagnetic waves into the
upper atmosphere. And through that it can heat up
the air. It can then move clouds.
It can especially move and work with the chemtrails that have
already been sprayed over a certain area.
It can create horrific winds out of nowhere and it can create
periods of drought. It can create periods of
horrific hail and rain. And this is all under the big
title of geoengineering. And so definitely it plays into
either creating storms or creating droughts, whatever the
a prescribed agenda is. And I'm sorry to say it is an
agenda and it works really well with Agenda 21, which desires
essentially to get people off their land and move them into
the cities where they can be more easily controlled.
It's all about control. And your second point that you
wanted me to talk about was the amazing things that have
happened on the Klamath River. So the Klamath River at one time
had four dams, one on the Oregon side, 1/3 on the Northern
California side. Between the years 2023 and 2024,
these dams were all removed and something that we had all been
fighting against for probably 15 years when they first started to
come up with this idea, they actually had federal legislation
to allow it to happen. That never was passed, but it
was through the environmental groups that they finally got
this to to finally be done and PG and E was going along with
it. And I'm so sorry to say one of
our wonderful congressman, Doug Lamalfa from Northern California
was the outspoken one fighting against it.
I quote him in my book and show his picture.
He just passed away January 6th. Sorry, I get all emotional
because he was one of our favourite people and really a
courageous man standing up against this.
And he predicted exactly what would happen if these dams came
down. And his prediction is exactly
correct. The environmentalists were
saying, oh, we're going to be saving the salmon and those poor
little salmon that couldn't make it upstream because of the dams.
Those salmon have been doing so well.
They've never been endangered. We can get them at every
restaurant we want to order them and yet, thank you.
I'm saying that they're they were endangered.
Well, bringing down the dams caused hundreds of thousands of
salmon to die. You would see them flying on the
side of the banks of these sad looking Klamath rivers and the
salmon need to have a gravel on both sides of the rivers to be
able to spawn. That is totally gone.
It's just covered with horrible thick mud.
And the poor little animals that would try to get to the river to
drink, they were got stuck in that mud and there was no way to
rescue them and they just died. So many little deer and
different animals were just stuck in that mud.
So it was a terrible disaster and terrible outcome for not
only the fish, but for other wildlife.
And yet the goal is to continue to do this because bringing down
dams let's these evil people control water even more.
And as I mentioned, Agenda 21/20/30 is all about control.
80 dams in the past few years have been brought down across
our nation. Those people are not even aware
of that because it's done very quietly, no big fanfare, and
they continue to try to bring down more.
And of course, it also takes away the reservoirs that are
there, that these wonderful, beautiful lakes, reservoirs that
have been created. If you do have wildfires, you
need to dip into those reservoirs to fight them.
They're gone. So it's it's been a disaster for
Northern California. It's been a disaster especially
for the farmers and ranchers that relied on that water coming
through the Klamath River. The Klamath needed those dams to
regulate it. Otherwise, it has periods of
flooding, periods of drought, and with a dam, it continue.
It regulates the constant flow of the water.
These dams also had the best hydraulic power, clean energy,
that's all removed. And one of the dams even had a
fish hatchery that produced 6,000,000 little salmon fish
every year. Of course, that's all gone.
So it's been a disaster in every sense of the word.
You know, what you're, what you're describing shows the
utter hypocrisy of the people that advocate removing dams, the
very things that they say are good, you know, helping
wildlife. And you mentioned the fish
hatchery and all the, the deer and other wildlife, both land,
land dwellers and, and the fish themselves.
All of it came to harm, all of it went downhill and all of it
turned out wrong. And yet these people will say,
you know, we're, we're environmentalists.
We believe in improving the environment.
There's nothing there whatsoever that speaks of improving the
environment in any way at all. You know, also the, it's worth
mentioning or emphasising that you mentioned that hydroelectric
power could and was being generated by the Klamath River
dams, at least some of them. That kind of that kind of power
is also what they call renewable energy, you know, clean energy.
So even there they couldn't even bat 1000 on that, they couldn't
even get that. And so it, it just shows it, it
just shows the utter bankruptcy of the arguments of those who
are making these blatant and unnecessary and very damaging
changes. And and as you say, some 80 dams
and probably even more than that, that we don't fully
realise have been completely torn down or torn out.
It's a wonder they don't take out the Hoover Dam.
You know it's is that the last standing major dance?
On the schedule. Have you?
Are you? Serious.
And yes, and it's probably happening in other countries
too, because this is a worldwide agenda.
Boy, there's something to keep an eye on for some subsequent
articles to this interview perhaps, and and maybe some
further books or updates of books that you might do.
But anyway, the the water crisis alone, it is so disturbing.
You mentioned Operation Popeye as it was known in Vietnam,
where they shot flares into the air to make it rain, including
on the Ho Chi Minh Trail. So North Vietnamese and Viet
Cong forces couldn't travel well.
And that was declassified relatively recently and finally
made known. And I'll mention as a quick
footnote, Ron Avery, a videographer and kind of
political philosopher, a friend of mine.
He and I went to a 2017, I believe it was American
Meteorological Association meeting.
And we were asking questions on the exhibit floor about high
tech companies wanting to get involved with the weather with
regards to the military. So in other words, on the floor
where all these companies advertising their wares and
their technology and their gadgets, we will help the Army
predict the weather. We will help the Navy use use
their knowledge of the weather to fight our wars.
And all of it was not quite saying that we will modify the
weather in a militarily favourable way, but it was
knocking on the door of that and we were asking questions.
And I'll just mention this is a little anecdotal thing before we
move on to another tier on this that we were actually they
attempted to kick us out of a weather or excuse me, the
American Meteorological Association conference, most of
it pretty innocuous. And because we were asking
questions about weather mod and the questions were not hardball,
they were pretty softball. They threatened to throw us out.
Isn't that amazing? They do not want the truth
revealed in any way, do they? Well, we weren't, we weren't as
Privy or or as knowledgeable then as we are now.
And so the questions really weren't that hardball as I said
and even then. And I just told the guy I have
press credentials, I'm not going anywhere and he dropped it.
But anyway, it just shows the sensitivity.
This is why I mention it to anyone that asks even the most
basic questions about these things.
But anyway, the other book that you wrote and not that these are
the only two books you've written several Inferno enigma.
Now there there's a a definite pet.
Yes, there's a definite pattern here.
You know, from why is it raining too much?
Why is it not raining enough? Why do we have a drought or
floods? And then, as you mentioned with
the Klamath River, they even got rid of the all important
reservoirs that the dam system would work with or kind of, you
know, work within a in a synergistic fashion to create
reservoirs with which to fight fires that might break out.
And so they're destroying not only the dams, not only hurting
wildlife, not only hurting farmers, but they're actually
lessening or harming the ability to fight fires, which harms
everyone, farmers, wildlife, people's homes and property,
leads to death and destruction. So removing those dams was kind
of the ecological nuclear bomb, if you will.
It's it's affecting everything. So therefore, when you look at
the whole continuity of everything, too much rain, not
enough rain, things are getting too dry, the ground's getting
too hard because we haven't had enough rain.
Therefore the the ground's not as porous.
So it's almost like the rain is hitting concrete.
When it finally does rain, it doesn't soak into the ground
well. Therefore the water table, the
the reservoirs, the aquifers are not being regenerated to help
the irrigation systems. I mean, look at how everything
is adversely affected. And then you do get fires.
But not only do you have what are called conventional
wildfires, you also have fires, as you've documented here, that
have characteristics that are very strange.
And so as if it isn't bad enough that there's extreme
comprehensive water mismanagement, oh, no, that's
let's not stop there. Let's also enter a world where
fires are showing burn patterns and intensity that make no
sense, especially to those that have experienced conventional
fires. And you yourself at your own
home in California experienced a fire.
Take us there. Start there with your own fire
and now take us on the journey with looking at these fires that
we've seen in recent years. Right.
So in 2017, October 9th, my husband and I and we actually
had three house guests with us. We were out walking on a Sunday
afternoon and suddenly this horrendous wind came up out of
nowhere. It was like a 50 to 60 mile an
hour wind and I, I couldn't believe it.
It was almost like it blew us off The Walking path.
I said, this is really worrisome.
I wonder if we're going to have some kind of a strange fire.
What had also happened? I'd noticed three days before
this fire, really heavy chemtrails.
You saw them everywhere, and they were just continuing on.
And as I write in my book, these chemtrails are dropping off and
aluminium oxide, which causes fires to ignite really quickly
and especially covering trees. So anyway, we went to bed that
night. And at 2:30 in the morning, the
winds were still blowing. Our daughter heard a knock on
the door, and her window was right over where the front door
is. And so she opened the window and
said, what is it? And this fireman said, you have
to evacuate. There's a fire coming over the
Ridge behind your home. And so our three houseguests
were already packed, ready to go.
So they immediately evacuated and my daughter, thinking that
this was not going to be too much, had a shower because she
had to teach school that day. But anyway, by the time we
finally got ourselves out, it was 1/2 an hour later.
We grabbed some supplies and each of us took a car.
Thank goodness because what happened to the cars that were
left, It's just horrible. But we before we left, I had my
husband give our home a blessing and we prayed really hard and,
and we left. Well, we went to a our, our
daughter in So we were there and a good
friend who was able to go through the Little League field
to see where our property was, he called us and said your home
survive while all these other six homes around you were
totally destroyed. He said you could actually see
where the fire came to your property line and stopped.
So of course we thought that was miraculous and so grateful.
But I personally believe it also had something to do with the
fact our home was the only home that did not have a smart metre.
And as I write in my book, I think there's a direct
correlation between these smart metres and what I truly believe
was causing these fires. Direct Energy weapon.
Because there was no way that this was a wildfire could do it.
What happened? Every single home was destroyed,
totally down to its cement foundation.
Everything crumbled. All metal melted.
All glass melted first, then melted.
A normal house fire does not 'cause that we had a normal
house fire back in 1984, but did not melt our refrigerators, did
not melt our washing machines, and did not crumble the cement
foundation. But every single home.
And in Santa Rosa, 5600, homes were destroyed one after the
other, and everything left looking the same, with the
cement foundation totally gone. Everything melted.
And the cars, if any car was left, they look just the same,
totally gutted out. And some were absolutely too
straight down to their foundation.
Others, at least this steel frame was a little bit there.
But these fires were even melting steel.
And a forest fire does not melt metal.
A forest fire maybe at the most burns 1000°.
It takes 3000° to melt metal and steel.
So you knew something else was going on.
And as I write in my book, the only explanation is a something
coming from the sky. And so many people actually saw
5G laser, blue laser shooting. And where do these lasers aim
for? They in the thick dark clouds,
they wouldn't know or tissue, except the smart metre gives out
this pulsed radiation constant and they have that to aim for.
And then the smart metre itself is made from a lithium battery
and lithium is highly explosive. So it goes from maybe 100°C to
6000° Fahrenheit, not centigrade, 6000°F in just
seconds. So the smart metre explodes and
continues that through the the copper wiring through the house.
And so you immediately have the house burning from the inside
out. And that's what I truly believed
happened. Let me pull over there.
What would you say to those? And there are a number of people
that have looked at the water issues, have looked at all these
matters, but they stop a little short about dude, directed
energy weapons. DEW.
Yes, the military does have noted directed energy
programmes, the US military included, I believe, other
militaries. But some people will say, oh,
come on, you know, lasers from the sky, directed energy
weapons. That's the stuff of Star Trek.
Flash Gordon. It's too futuristic.
We're not there yet. Of course you're going to get
denial from from the government. But maybe in this case, they're
telling the truth. You know, maybe they're not
there yet. We've heard John Brennan, former
head of the CIA, the Central Central Intelligence Agency,
address the Council on Foreign Relations.
That's documented where he talked about weather
modification in a somewhat vague and futuristic way.
Like someday we'll be there. Someday we'll be able to do
this. Someday we'll be able to do
that. So there seems to be this
knowledge gap or this perspective, different
perspectives where some people will readily say, yes, directed
energy, but others don't grab onto that or they don't feel
there's enough proof of that. What, what would you say based
on the experiences of yourself and others to that?
Because I get a lot of that. So it is more and more the fact
that people are beginning to recognise that something was
very different from these fires and it was not only the centres
of fire. I go into the fire that happened
in Paradise where 19,000 homes were destroyed, all looking the
same, and the same with Lahaina and Maui where 2000 homes were
destroyed, all looking the same. And then I, I go into the fires
that happened the next year in Texas as well as Canada.
And then I end up with the fires that happened in Los Angeles
and, or they had 16,000 homes destroyed again, all metal
melted down to the cement foundation pulverised.
And you cannot say that these are normal forest fires.
But and, and then the other thing, what kind of a forest
fire zaps every home and leaves the forest standing?
All the trees were standing around these homes and trees
around our neighbours homes we're standing.
So I know it's a horrible thought to think that any
government could possibly be doing this, but 32 nations have
Direct Energy weapons and you go into a government website, they
are very proud of them. They show what they're they're
amazing different I instruments look like that are causing this
in my book. I show a picture of right there
on the Maui island as a second Air Force Base that uses Direct
Energy weapons and they were just awarded for creating this
really large one. And if you go to the Lockheed
Martin website, they're the biggest government agency that
helps produce these weapons. They have videos that show their
technology, what they're able capable of doing, how they can
either shoot from down below and destroy any kind of a drone up
in the sky, or they can shoot from the drone down to the
ground and and cause fires even or destroy weapons.
They can shoot ships on the ocean and destroy them.
So of course they're saying that these are all being used for
protection for people, but the fact that they're being so
widely, these fires everywhere, and that's really the only
explanation for them. And and then in my book, I also
let people understand why I truly believe these were planned
fires, because they wanted that land for something else.
You can't have a planned fire with a little forest fire that
chooses its own method and where it's going.
In my book, I show there was a section of Santa Rosa called
Coffee Park that the city, the Board of Supervisors had already
planned a certain section of it and had a map laid out in June
of 2017. And then lo and behold, in
October when this fire hit, that exact same map was destroyed.
A little bit over the edges here and there, but you can't have
something already planned out and follow a map unless this was
a directed energy fire. And that's, that's the only
explanation. And more and more people are
finally beginning to realise this, as painful as it is, but
to be able to talk about. Yeah, I mean, if I look at it
like a detective, I, I grew up watching Colombo and Sherlock
Holmes serials and whatnot, Colombo would say, but you know,
how else could it happen? I mean, in other words, there's
only so many ways that you could make that happen.
And you have plenty of photos in actually both books, especially
the Infernal Enigma, Inferno Enigma, excuse me, but both
books, you've got several pictures where, as you
described, the fire patterns are precise for each house.
It's very surgical. And then you get to a street and
the entire fire stops and there's barely any, if any
debris on the net on the street. That is sort of where everything
ends. And then the houses across that
street are perfectly intact. That's right.
That was in Coffee Park and the other.
You also show you also show pictures.
Sorry, sorry. Go ahead.
For them to get to coffee park they're supposed to forest fire,
had to jump 4 lanes of a super freeway and then start the fire
again. It just it doesn't make sense.
Yeah, and, and again, looking at it like the detective, if the
trees aren't burning much, if any of the trees, then how can
the forest fire travel from one place to another?
What is fire? Fire is basically a plasma of
burning material and it it feeds on itself and it has to have
something to feed on. You can't have a campfire
without wood. You can't just say voila, voila,
make fire. So there has to be fuel for the
fire. And if the if the trees aren't
burning, how could it travel, much less have the intensity to
take out all the homes in the same absolutist total way that
you're describing? So the detective runs into the
wall and says, there's only so many ways this could happen.
Now, someone might say, let's keep exploring this.
I'm not totally satisfied with the directed energy theory.
We'll just call it that. But the important thing is that
this needs to be thoroughly investigated and not that it
hasn't been. You've done a great job
yourself, but those that are experiencing these things, those
that already have unfortunately. And if, if this happens again,
I've always contended that soil samples and partially burnt wood
samples, partially burnt metal samples, anything remaining
needs to be taken to a lab and given a very, a very complex set
of testing, a lot of testing needs to go on.
I'll just put that out there. And so I would just say to those
sceptics that maybe kind of stop after the water crisis thing and
they're hedging a little, a little bit about what they're
hearing right now in this interview.
The main thing is the line of inquiry.
The inquiry needs to continue. Then we can all be satisfied
that the evidence is is continuing to be accumulated and
we'll all find out what the answers are.
But a good detective at this point, based on what you know,
would say directed energy cannot be taken off the table.
It has to be perhaps the predominant theory or the
predominant presupposition of what probably happened.
But we'll keep looking. If I could also add one other
point, There were trees that burned, but they were burning
from the inside out and I show several pictures of that.
How can a tree burn from the inside out unless there was a
ZAP, a directed energy weapon that hit the ground.
And as you know, water carries electricity.
So the water in the ground was carrying this electromagnetic
current energy fire that then goes through the roots of the
tree up inside the tree and causes it to catch fire and burn
from the inside out. And then the other interesting
thing is no plastic garbage cans burned.
So if this were a normal fire, our fire back in 1984,
everything plastic burned and melted, but no plastic garbage
cans burned. As you know, a microwave fire
does not burn plastic, but it metal in a microwave it destroys
the the microwave but but plastic does not burn.
And so in my book, I show one picture after another of all the
plastic garbage cans that were left standing.
And a lady and her husband in Natra had a fire come that
destroyed their entire home, but all their plastic lawn chairs
were still there. No plastic melted.
Isn't that a phenomenal thing? No, that that is uncanny because
plastic would have a much lower threshold.
Generally speaking, when confronted with high heat, it
would be by all our normal experiences, it would be among
the first things to kind of collapse upon itself.
Put a lightweight plastic cup too close to a gas burner on
your stove and see what happens. It just kind of, it just kind of
crumples and melts and dissolves, if you will.
And, And so yeah, that these are among the many anomalies and we
can all put our detective caps on regardless of what level we
believe, regardless of what, if we think the evidence is
satisfying for directed energy or not, the main thing is to
keep looking. Don't stop looking, don't stop
investigating. And then we can all get
together. It won't be a divisive issue in
any way. And and keep finding out,
peeling the onion and find out what's going on here.
And if I could add just one more thing, many people believe that
that is why in Lahaina, they turned off the water.
And the water agent in charge said, oh, well, it's a matter of
equity. And before we can allow the
water to be used for everyone on the island, we must first have a
discussion of equity, which was ridiculous.
And the same with Los Angeles. The reservoir there that they
could have dipped in to use water was totally empty.
And some people believe had they tried to use that water on a on
an electrical fire, people then would have been very suspicious
that this was not a normal fire because the water would not put
out the fire. It would just make it worse.
So they just got rid of the water so no one could actually
see that water tried to put out a fire.
Oh, so yeah, you're saying that had they use conventional water
firefighting techniques and use water just like if you look
online or go to your fire department and get some public
information books, you know, if you have a kitchen fire or if
you have an electrical fire, do not use water.
And most of us grew up knowing that that in an electrical fire
you need to use some sort of special extinguisher that has a
certain kind of foam. So in other words, you're saying
that had there been plenty of water with which to fight fires,
but had the fire been mainly electrical in nature or origin,
then it would have been all the more obvious that the fire
wasn't conventional? That's right, they would have
known that this was like a microwave fire.
That's, that's very interesting to consider for the detectives
among us and we can all be good detectives here.
Now looking at your Inferno Enigma book a little more
closely and some some of my notes here.
I've been doing a lot of reading lately and really enjoying your
work about about the Maui fires in Hawaii in particular.
Here's just some of the questions.
Why was the power turned off in certain areas so no cell phones
could be used? Why were no alarms sounded in
Maui? Not even any warning from police
or firemen with their bull horns, which is just, you know,
that's not even electronic or maybe they have a little
electronic speaker on them. What kind of brush fire burns
hot enough to melt metal and glass?
We've went over that. Why was there a police blockade
in Maui? So no cars could leave until the
cars were all, you know, seriously damaged by this
paradoxical kind of fire. Why was the water turned off and
the reservoir not filled, etcetera?
And then of course, the grand question perhaps of them all,
the actually there's two Were the fires caused by man made
climate change, as the media and governors have been saying?
Or could it have been something seemingly exotic like directed
energy weapons? And were these planned fires?
Were they done for a land grab to turn certain areas into, you
might say ripe acreage for smart cities, 15 minute cities?
And I talked about Rahm Emanuel and how the global cities thing
works a little bit. Never let a good crisis go to
waste. In other words, what were the
Maui fires? The ultimate crisis to not let
it go to waste. That's right.
And the fact that they will not let any rebuilding go in these
certain areas that had already been designated to be their
smart cities in in Lahaina, they are saying that they cannot
rebuild because the coastline is too unstable.
How many hundreds of years had homes been on those coastlines?
And they've been just fine, but suddenly they are too unstable,
so no one can rebuild. And so instead, the governor has
made the statement that we're not going to let foreigners or
anyone else come and take over this land.
We're going to take over it ourselves.
So the government now owns that land and the government can then
do whatever they want to do with which I believe they're going to
turn that that whole area into a big smart city as they had
planned. They I show a a map that they
had planned this back in, in I think 2015, 2012.
It's called smart. It's not smart grid.
What is it? You probably have this picture
of that right before you. But anyway, they, they had
planned this just as they had with Santa Rosa with this
certain area. And then when you go to, to to
Los Angeles, they're saying the same thing that they were not
allowed to rebuild along the coastline, that they need it for
buffer zones. And so the governor of
California and that the mayor of Los Angeles, they're all saying
the same thing that they cannot rebuild.
They have to have it as buffer zones.
They had already planned to have this area as a big smart city as
well. So this.
Let me ask you this, Orlean, because this is a very revealing
question and I don't want to presuppose what the answer is.
Would it be an accurate statement to say that in
addition to the areas you just mentioned where they're not
allowing rebuilding, would it also be true about paradise?
In other words, is it pretty much across the board that
wherever these inexplicably uniform and totally destructive
wildfires, quote unquote happened, is it pretty much true
across the board that in most or at least or possibly even all of
those areas, rebuilding has not been allowed?
Would that be a true statement? Yes.
And specifically their strategic areas that they had already
designated as to be used for something else.
Some people think that they wanted Paradise to be used as to
bring the smart train through. And fortunately we've been able
to stop that, this bullet train that the governor has been
trying to push. But others think there's gold up
in Paradise and they would like to develop it for her mines.
And there's definitely other plans that they have for all of
these cities. And what I write about in in
Santa Rosa, the Coffee Park area was already planned to be their
redevelopment area and they were planning all the people moving
out, 1200 people leaving and selling their land because they
were going to have such a hard time rebuilding.
Also, the insurance companies will not usually cover the cost
of rebuilding the cement foundation because that has
never been necessary in fires before.
So the insurance costs are so much higher and people are
finding that out. But fortunately 1 sweet little
lady in Coffee Park started this movement and got the people
working together and loving each other so much that no one wanted
to leave. And and so they did rebuild and
they were rebuilt together and they would pass on really good
tidbits to each other. And every Wednesday night after,
as soon as the fires happened, as she's a a single mother, a
teacher would get all of their neighbours together and have
roast hot dogs and have wine and talk about rebuilding and giving
each other encouragement. So nobody sold their property.
So Santa Rosa had to figure out some other areas for their
redevelopment zone. So that's one of the things I
say in my book, if we can learn to work together with our
neighbours and support each other, maybe we can fight this
and we won't have to give up and move away.
Of course, where the government has already taken over that
land, as in Lahaina and parts of Los Angeles, it's going to be
really hard to do that. Isn't that interesting that the
most basic, the most, you know, commonplace kind of human
association, getting together at the kitchen table, having some
coffee, having some wine and just talking about we love our
town, we love our neighbourhood, we love our homes.
We're going to rebuild. And you're you're putting your
foot down, but you know you're not, you're not raising any
firearms. You're not, you know, you're not
engaging in any kind of revolution that people would
typically think of a revolution, you know, unarmed overthrow of
these evil governors. You're simply wanting to live
where you've always lived and enjoy it.
And it it worked in that case. And possibly it, it could have
worked in paradise or, or other areas.
But the media, right? The media pretty much agrees
with what the government is saying.
You know, these are just, you know, random fires.
Maybe some guy put out his cigar in the wrong place.
You know, let's show Smokey the Bear on TV.
This is all just conventional. Who left?
Who left that campfire unattended, Right?
And and yet we're supposed to believe that an unattended
campfire or a, a power line that went down when it was when there
was drought conditions or lightning hit, maybe dry
lightning or there was a rare storm in an otherwise dry area
and lightning started a fire somewhere.
And that that resulted in these massive, uniformly destructive
fires. It just doesn't hold water,
pardon the pun, to use those kind of explanations.
And you know, we have, we have different belief systems and
many people believe things at different levels.
But it's just really heartening from my perspective to hear that
the neighbours got together in that instance and fought back in
the most basic way, you know, to help each other and, and
actually make a difference in that way.
But anyway, the, the overall issues that we're talking about
here do really beg for solutions.
Do you feel at this point in time that the machinations that
you've seen, the, the extreme drought, the floods tearing down
the dams in the Klamath River and maybe some 76 other dams
across the country, 4 dams in Klamath and, and these
paradoxical fires, Plastic ought to meld and it's not the fire so
uniform and uniformly destructive, suggesting at least
the possibility of directed energy.
Are you seeing any of this relenting?
A lot of this happened between between 2015 and 2019, but
there's been more recent things. Is this relenting at all?
Is public awareness beginning to inspire those that might be
engineering these things to to maybe back off a little?
Or are they just sharpening their knives quietly and this
might come around again? Or is it not relenting at all?
What what's what's the reality right now?
I do think because of so many podcasts popping up and people
having their own ability to talk about these things, I think
people are becoming more aware. There's a a lady in Southern
California who started her own website and she's been speaking
about this and, and lots, I think over 100 different podcast
editions. And she definitely believes that
these are directed energy weapons and is very forthright
about talking about it. Her name is Peggy Hall and I do
quote her in my book. She gives 10 facts that are
similar with every single fire that could not make any sense if
they were not coming from DDEWSS dues.
And then there are other, there's a couple that started a
website, they talk about it as well.
So I think more and more people are listening and becoming
aware. It's just how do you stop this
from happening? As we mentioned, there are some
states that are passing laws against chemtrails.
Maybe they could also, if they believe that, maybe they could
also believe there are such things as fires started by
Direct Energy weapons. Maybe they could pass laws
against that. But we do need to become more
aware and we need to have the courage to speak out, even if
it's on a subject that is not very popular.
I'm sure the whole subject, you know, we, we tend to grow up
thinking that our government loves us and we kind of think of
them as parents, that they have our best interests in heart at
heart. But if you find out things like
this, you wonder what on earth has gone going on.
And I do believe all of this is part of Agenda 21, Agenda 2030.
And in my book, at the very end, I mention the Fabian Society in
England and how much power they've had over the government
in England. And very influential people
belong to it, former prime ministers.
And they have this stained glass window where they show the
founders of the Fabian Society all hammering.
Well, two of them hammering on the earth and one of them
blowing the the bellows to heat up the earth.
And, and I thought, is that what they thought by by these fires
heating up the earth that can actually cause amazing changes.
And that's what their motto is to remould the earth according
to our heart's desire. That's at the top of their
stained glass window. Are they trying to remould the
earth through these fires to bring about their heart's
desire, which is pure socialism, communism, and more and more
control? And I, I truly believe that
that's part of it. That's the whole purpose behind
the United Nations and their agendas is total control of our
lives. And they're very happy to tell
you about that. And the big thick book that they
published about Agenda 21, they mentioned that it's all about
control. They want to control our the air
we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat, the clothes we
wear, our transportation. And by using the myth of climate
change, they can constantly make us so afraid that we're using
too much carbon and and that we've got to get rid of our
carbon dioxide and we have to have even the control of our
lives to carbon credits on our our little.
Credit cards. And if we do use up too many
carbon credits, we will not be able to go shopping.
We'll not be able to buy what we need.
And also, if there's social credit score, like in China, if
you are not a good citizen, if you dare to speak out against
the government like I'm doing right now, or expose these
things, then your credits will be taken away on your social
credit score, on your credit card and you won't be able to go
shopping or buy what you need. So this is all about control.
And the more you investigate it, the more you've realised that's
that's the answer. And big governments like to
control their citizens. And that's what socialism,
communism is all about. And we would like to keep our
freedoms in our nation as long as we possibly can.
That's what has made our nation the great country it is.
And it's so sad to see these freedoms being taken away and
that's. You know, I'm, I'm reminded
Orlean, I'm reminded I, I happen to watch a lot of westerns.
I watch mostly older TV shows when I watch TV at all.
And in a lot of the westerns, the there's some sort of
malefact or some sort of dark character or maybe a group of
them, and they might burn down a town or a village or they might
run some Indians off their land. And I think a lot of people
mistakenly believe they were just being mean to the Indians.
But in many of the themes, and, you know, art imitates life,
oftentimes many of the themes of these Westerns, the guys doing
The Dirty work are working for some kind of guys in suit
smoking cigars in a smoky room somewhere.
And they're clearing the land for a railroad.
They're clearing a land to drill oil.
They're clearing the land to mine minerals.
And in the more sophisticated scenarios and some of these
dramas, they're they're devaluing the land so the
governors with their cigars and their buddies in government can
get the land on the cheap. And so it's nothing new and it's
been recorded both in fictional format and non fictional format.
And often times fiction imitates non fiction.
You know, there's a there's a cross pollination there.
It's nothing new for brigands and and pirates wearing three
piece suits to go in, get their kneecappers, send in the guys
that do The Dirty work, devalue land, get the minerals, get the
gold. You mentioned gold possibly
being a factor, which sounds like something out of the past,
right? But so it, it shouldn't be
surprising to any of us, particularly when you look at
the history of the American West, that dark forces and, and
manufacturers and mountabanks and things like that.
You know, people with with very, very deep agendas are going
after natural resources or land and they want to play dirty.
And so, so the only question remains is how sophisticated do
they want to get and just how down and dirty do they want to
get? And so are we seeing, and I'm
only putting it in the form of a question, are we seeing that
Wild West mentality now with high technology, which
yesteryear was done with, you know, guns and cannon maybe and
fire, but now it's it's simply more sophisticated.
But we're simply seeing the more that things change, the more
they stay the same. They're just using different
tools. Could it be true?
And I I did want to mention one of the other thing I in my
investigation of the fires in Texas and Canada.
So at one time, and that's why I wrote that big huge bat book.
I mean, get a copy of it. Anyway, I think it's behind me,
but oh, here it is. That's OK.
So. So this one.
Oh, OK, that's fine. By stealth and deception, USA
transformation. And it's parallel to the to the
European Union. When I wrote that, they were
trying to push through a transatlantic corridor that
would cross from Canada all the way down through the United
States, through Mexico, all the way to Panama.
And Phyllis Schlafly, the lady that started Eagle for him, got
wind of it and started writing about it.
She had a syndicated column and at that time it was just called
Security and and Prosperity Partnership.
But they were just like the Common Market.
The European Common Market was morphed into the European Union.
This security prosperity partnership was a trade
agreement between Canada, the United States and Mexico.
And they were going to slowly morph it into this North
American Union because she got wind of it and started writing
about it. And then other people joined the
battle, like Lou Dobbs started talking about it on his
television show. They've had to backtrack and but
part of the plan was to have a huge transatlantic, well, NAFTA
superhighway because NAFTA was behind this, pushing it.
And so that kind of came to a screeching halt.
The NAFTA superhighway was supposed to start in Texas,
going right through the centre of Texas, through some cities
and areas that they would have had to totally transform and get
rid of. And so that came to a halt.
Well, these new fires that started in the Panhandle,
there's a new plan now. It's no longer called the Trans
Texas corridor. It's now called the Ports 2
Plains corridor. And it's going through a part of
the north part of the Trans, the northern part of Texas, the
Panhandle where the the farmers were more and they wouldn't have
to go through major cities that was not going to be so wide.
But I truly believe that this plan is continuing on.
And Joe Biden signed this into law on in the year 2022.
And 200 other organisations even elected congressman were
supporting this. So this is the new plan.
It's called Ports 2 planes and it will be I-21 now instead of
what it was be going to be before going through the the
Panhandle of of Texas on through all the way on the way up to
Canada and Canada in the meantime was all beings also
being transformed with all of their fires.
So that area is now open for their corridors to be built.
So I think that's another sneaky part of this that most people
are not talking about. And then the trans, the new
Texas corridor will go all the way through Mexico, down through
all the way to the city of Panama.
And that's where China gets in. China has always wanted to
control the Panama Canal. And they were actually building
a bridge to go over the the canal to make this this whole
transportation corridor even easier than it would go across
Panama on through South America. And as you know, some of us
believe they've been trying to have a one world government for
the longest time. And having this, all these
countries connected through their corridors and their
trading makes it so much easier. And, and when you notice the
maps of all of this, there are no boundaries.
All the borders are gone. And I show those maps in my
book. So anyway, I believe that is
what the Canadian fires and the Texas fires were all about as
well. And so many poor innocent little
farmers were wiped out. And those fires, all their
cattle were killed. Their entire cattle industry
has, has gone. And it's it's very sad that
these evil people don't mind destroying lives, destroying
animals and destroying property to fulfil their dreams.
Yeah, there's, there's a lot to unpack there.
We can begin to summarise. I did cover the Trans Texas
corridor in fairly recent years and I'm familiar with this
transnational nature of the corridor.
And even now, you see, if you drive north, it'll say future
trade corridor to that effect, and it'll show 69 Hwy 69, where
69 doesn't yet exist, but it exists further north.
So it suggests that there'll be a connection made.
And then there's a highway that goes out of Little Rock, AR and
it goes northeast toward 57, a major highway that goes through
Illinois into Missouri, suggesting that that secondary
highway in northeast Arkansas will eventually become part of
Interstate 57. So there's a lot going on there.
And, and it really takes a lot of effort to make it part of 57.
So they're really going out of their way to to make that
happen. A lot of expense and it takes a
lot of time. One thing I will say is what
you're describing there appears to be going quite slowly.
I think they've been running into some roadblocks there
because I drive that way a lot and I don't think they're going
as fast as they'd like to. So there's a little bit of good
news there. I agree.
I think there's some really smart Texans that find out about
it. One of those is Margaret and Dan
Byfield that head up the American Stewards of Liberty.
They live in Texas and they've been, they fought the Trans
Texas corridor early on and they're the ones that actually
told me about the bridge that China's building.
Yeah, there's also a Terry, Terry Hall who runs the turf
group Texas United for Reform and Freedom.
My. First book.
That's right. Yes, yeah, Terry.
Terry is a lot like yourself, just a undefeatable, you know,
untiring activist Terry Hall and yourself and the other person
that you mentioned there. Anyway, as we kind of wind up
today, Orlean, this is all very interesting.
Those watching this interview of course can believe things at
whatever level they want. But the main thing is we all
have to keep our eyes and ears open and keep investigating and
keep an open mind and find out what the ultimate causes are.
Because this is all whatever technologies are being employed,
whatever exactly is being done, this is all going in a direction
that doesn't look good and so far has shown little else than
destruction and total tragedy in many cases.
And, and so if history is our teacher, so far we're not seeing
anything good come out of this. We're seeing that the maybe the
old warning or the the announcement of your Many years
ago in Popular Mechanics, there was an article where the
military claimed it would control the weather by 2025, the
year 2025. That was an article in Popular
Mechanics and perhaps that's what has been unfolding.
Maybe, maybe not. But in in different degrees at
different levels, that appears to be the case.
There's a guy named James Lee or Jim Lee that runs
climateviewer.com and Climate viewer.org.
I believe those websites are still up.
He's got some insights into all of this and the history of
weather modification, which believe it or not, goes back
more than 100 years, the very first attempts at at modifying
the weather. And anyway, Orlean, what are
what are the main websites where people can look up your work and
read it and decide for themselves?
So you can find all of my books on Books for truth.com and then
also the National Eagle Forum carries my books.
So you go to eagleforum.org and just look under books and you'll
see my name. And then some of my books are
actually on Amazon. And I, I decided early on that
it was kind of more beneficial to be my own publisher.
So I, I published my own books now and what's so nice, I can
then update them whenever I want to.
When you go with a professional publisher, that's not possible,
but you can find my really large one by stealth interception on
Amazon. I've.
Also mentioned that. Islam pardon.
I wanted to mention that that's important that you use your
books in a very journalistic way.
When it's time for a new headline or an update, you do it
generally speaking. And that's very important.
People are not getting something that's just cemented in stone
never to be touched again. They're getting an ongoing
compendium and ongoing accounting chronicling what's
happening. And that's what's really
important about your work. And as you say, self publishing
is the key to that. I.
Was able to add the chapter about the Klamath dams coming
down, my book about the water crisis.
I was always warning people how terrible this would be if they
did come down. And now I've been able to add
that yes, everything had had been prophesied about that came
true and what a disaster it is. So I do try to keep them up to
date, especially on something as important as that.
Indeed, the final statement I'll make and then we'll we'll get
off the high, We'll get off the Texas superhighway here is that
it seems to me that if you were someone wanting to carry out
these agendas, and I'm just kind of doing a hypothetical here
that you would engineer the climate to change.
You would change the climate in these more deep seated high tech
ways. But then you'd blame it on
random climate change that they attribute to everything from Cal
flatulence to your your charcoal grill to the very automobile you
drive. So change the climate.
Yeah. They tried to blame the Maui
fire on a hurricane that was 500 miles away.
Oh my goodness. Yeah, it.
Came from that, but they'll blame it on anything but the
truth. Yeah, so.
So by deliberately changing things, let's say hypothetically
speaking, then you can blame it on the other thing and try and
give that theory more credibility because it's the
passive climate change, if you will, not the more deliberate
engineering one, but the passive one.
That's the one they use or cite, CITE site to justify Agenda 2030
and beyond. So if you're, if you're Sauron
in Lord of the Rings, you know, you're the guy with the the ring
and you're the ultimate source of the evil.
That conceivably is the kind of scenario that you'd want to put
together. That's very good.
I love that movie. We've seen it about 20 times.
Yeah, you. Definitely, you definitely like
it if you've seen it that many times, Orlean, if you have any
final statements. Otherwise, it's been very
enjoyable, you know, ferreting this out and getting this out in
the open and sorting it out as best we can.
Do you have any final thoughts? Well, I just would like to thank
you, Mark. It's been a pleasure to be here
with you. And my final thoughts are for
anyone listening to this, just how important freedom is.
And we have to to stick by our actions and whatever we can
possibly do to preserve our freedom.
As Ronald Reagan said, it's a very vanishing thing.
If we do not especially want to preserve it for the next
generation, we shouldn't take it for granted.
And I know right now in the UK, the poor people there do not
have their freedom of speech anymore.
If they dare to write anything on social media about how they
feel. It's terrible that so many
Muslims are in the country, they can actually be arrested and
that freedom of speech could vanish here as well if we don't
diligently try to protect it. So I'm very happy that an
organisation like this, UK forum Begin exists, the UK column, and
thankful for all the writers and people like you, Mark Anderson,
for being part of it and trying to express the truth and get it
out to everyone listening. Thank you, Arlene, for those
kind words. Well, everyone, you've been
listening to my second UK column interview for 2026, Orlene
Curla. Thank you, Orlene.
You're welcome. My pleasure.