1 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,840 Hello and welcome to the UK column. 2 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,760 Today I am joined by Matt Erett. Welcome back to the program. 3 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,840 Matt, it's been a little while since you've been on. 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,520 How are things going? Oh, hi, Mike. 5 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,200 It's, it's always a great pleasure to join you. 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,840 And yeah, keeping busy. The world's giving me a lot to 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,080 think about. So I'm, I'm, I'm having at the 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,080 very least an interesting time with, with our crisis. 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,440 I don't know if it's necessarily optimistic, but it's it's 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,880 interesting. Well, of course most people know 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:49,560 you live in Canada, and Canada clearly in the process of being 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,520 encircled at the moment as Trump aims to get hold of Greenland. 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,720 How seriously do you take these, this desire for Canada to become 14 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:06,200 the 51st state then? In the well, I, I try to think 15 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,960 like an oligarch, you know, I, I try to put myself in the shoes 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,400 of, of one of these Dungeons and Dragons game masters who are 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,440 trying to treat humanity like it's a board game. 18 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,640 And there are games within games. 19 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,360 And you know, when you take a step back and you recognize as, 20 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,480 as we've all worked to do, the deeper conspiratorial 21 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,200 undercurrents shaping many of the big developments throughout 22 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,320 history, we realize that there are the the most people we live 23 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:33,920 with think very short term, moment to moment, paycheck to 24 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,400 paycheck. Those who don't worry about such 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,600 things and and are incubated in a different cultural matrix than 26 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,280 your average person who goes to a Community College or whatever. 27 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,680 But if you're, if you're part of these upper upper echelon 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,720 families, you do tend to get trained to think long term, deep 29 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,880 past, deep future and act accordingly. 30 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,560 So not saying that that's good, I'm just saying that that's 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,160 that's what we're dealing with is a quality of thinking that 32 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,680 most average citizens are not used to dealing with. 33 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,560 So on the short term, I don't think that necessarily I would 34 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,039 expect to see Canada falling into becoming a 51st state. 35 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:15,480 But in the longer term, I do see that perhaps as the consequence 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,280 of, let's say a manufactured blowout of the transatlantic 37 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:24,840 system, which could and will, unless very drastic measures are 38 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,640 taking, which I don't see currently where and who is 39 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:31,240 pushing the type of necessary measures that I know would be 40 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,280 possible and necessary, I don't see it. 41 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:36,120 So what I would see as a consequence of the lack of 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,320 action, appropriate action, would be the breakdown of supply 43 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,680 chains, the blowout of a major financialized speculative bubble 44 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,120 in the the period ahead. What day, we don't know. 45 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,320 What time we don't know, but we're living in it right now 46 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,560 currently speaking, I do think that the ambition to create to 47 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,320 expand a jurisdictional control over Greenland over as much of 48 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,280 Canada as possible over much of you know, Mexico, Latin America 49 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,440 down to much of South America is part of a pro. 50 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:07,720 It's part of a plan. I think there is a blueprint to 51 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,120 get there. How what the the details will be 52 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,920 step by step getting there is is underdeveloped in my mind. 53 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:17,240 I, I'm, I'm, I have many hypothesis, but I don't think 54 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,480 that Carney's Carney is here for a reason. 55 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,400 I think he, it's been many years of planning to situate him and 56 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,600 to create the, the terrain that would be ripe to impose him as 57 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,000 the the replacement to a Justin Trudeau. 58 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,840 I had originally recorded a segment back in 2013 when I had 59 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,640 a podcast. They're going through the 60 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,480 origins of the bailing mechanism and Carney's specific role 61 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,080 working at the Bank of International Settlements with 62 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,880 Mario Draghi in, in formulating the bailing regime. 63 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,840 This is back in 2010 that he was doing this while he was governor 64 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,320 of the Bank of Canada. And I did a, a presentation 65 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,840 where I made a point that it was as though he was being situated 66 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,360 to be highly placed in political position. 67 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,520 The way that the media was portraying him as a great hero 68 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,560 in the, in the zeitgeist. The, the type of language was 69 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,920 something I'd never seen used for civil servants at any 70 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,640 regards. So I, I got the sense even then 71 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:18,360 that there was a, a, a preparation to impose him as a 72 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,840 much more competent, albeit dangerous high priest of 73 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:27,200 banking. I think that his job currently 74 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,360 is to play a very important role, very highly valued role to 75 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,880 his masters within the City of London and and broader imperial 76 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,400 structures. And, and I do think though that 77 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,200 there is that he was assisted whether Trump knows what he did 78 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,520 or not. I'm going to reserve judgment 79 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,480 for the moment, but I would say that he would not have become 80 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,840 the the Prime Minister of Canada had the decision had the 81 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:58,920 decision not been made to begin the language that Trump deployed 82 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:03,480 to make Canada the 51st state, which triggered A subconscious 83 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,800 fear factor embedded multi generationally across most 84 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,520 Canadians all over. Maybe not Alberta, but most 85 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,480 Canadians have a fear of America. 86 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,720 It's been baked in by design since the 19th century. 87 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,720 And and Trump or whoever wrote his speeches and and created 88 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,000 this plan invoked by design bats such that Pierre Polyevla, the 89 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,840 conservative, not to say he was a good person, but definitely 90 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:31,400 would have given people more to work with than than Carney. 91 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,840 He he failed to succeed where he all, all polls favored Polyevla 92 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,600 before the election. And then after the 51st state 93 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,920 comments began. Then everybody was induced to 94 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,120 rally around the big red comfort logo of the L, the Liberal Party 95 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,480 L and Carney, who was the, the, the embodiment, the archetype 96 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,960 who was going to be the, the great pick, you know, savior. 97 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,200 Just as he saved us in 2000 and eight, 2009 while he was running 98 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,120 the Bank of Canada, he saved us from the banking crisis. 99 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,040 And so he's going to do it again, and that's what happens. 100 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,640 So I do think that there's part of a a gaming out of planning 101 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,560 factor in a lot of this, which most people I know don't pay 102 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,200 attention to. OK, that, that's the reason I 103 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,680 asked that question in the 1st place, of course, was because of 104 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,960 his speech at Davos, which got all kinds of traction on social 105 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,720 media and all kinds of people thinking that this was the most 106 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,400 amazing thing that they'd ever heard. 107 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,000 And of course, what was what was he talking about? 108 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,040 He was talking about this idea of middle states. 109 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,760 Now you'll have to remind me who it was. 110 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,080 You sent me a video clip that you thought was a source for 111 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,960 that speech. And I sent you a video clip of 112 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,760 Bronwyn Maddox from the from Chatham House, which I thought 113 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,280 was was the source of the speech. 114 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:51,760 But nonetheless, what we seem to be seeing is amongst some, some 115 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:57,840 of these types at that level, clear agreement on, on a, a sort 116 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:01,840 of policy that that has been introduced at Davos by and Mark 117 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:04,400 Carney as the mouthpiece for it. This idea of, of the middle 118 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,040 states getting together to fight the two big beasts of the world, 119 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,000 which is now the United States and China, of course. 120 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,400 So, so I mean, what do you think, what do you think he was 121 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,560 expressing at Davos? And you know where? 122 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,920 Where do you think the policy has come from? 123 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,880 Yeah, the, the person I I was hypothesizing was was Jeffrey 124 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,920 Sachs, who bragged not that just a little bit after Carney's 125 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,760 speech at Davos, he bragged how proud he was of his former 126 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,640 student and how he knew that as he was teaching a younger Carney 127 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,280 that he had all of his great potential. 128 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,520 And now he's seen it manifest what a proud, proud mentor he 129 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,280 was. So, you know, there's that. 130 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,520 But I think that this this policy was largely formulated in 131 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,480 its current incarnation in the ascension of purely A Trudeau 132 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,600 and purely A Trudeau gave a 1969 speech describing the new 133 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,240 configuration of the middle power policy of Canada because 134 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,280 it is middle power. It's not it's not a strong 135 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,800 power, but it has influence. And he said the policy when he 136 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,200 was asked what is your policy objectives by a journalist, he 137 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,560 said to create counterweights. That's all he said very 138 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,880 ambiguous. But what that meant was whenever 139 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,040 the geopolitical Manichaean balance of the Cold War, which 140 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,920 was premised around this dichotomization of, you know, 141 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,640 capitalism is the are the the beings of light and freedom and 142 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,360 democracy. And then communism is the 143 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,320 authoritarian anti freedom darkness and everything had to 144 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,720 always be sort of balanced on this game board such that 145 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:38,600 whenever the the Geo geopolitical point of gravity 146 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,799 moves a little bit too much towards favoring, let's say an 147 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:44,600 advantage towards the communist authoritarian side. 148 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,120 Then Canada would take a leap and give its support to some 149 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,320 policy measure of a Reagan or of a Thatcher or what have you to 150 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,200 balance it out. And then inversely, whenever the 151 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,200 the gravitational center of balance would move towards the 152 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,960 capital side, then Canada would throw, you know, it's love over 153 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,440 to Fidel Castro or to to the the Soviets in the 70s, which was 154 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,200 always the way purely Trudeau managed it. 155 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,840 And I think that that was part of a mathematical sort of 156 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:14,120 cybernetics mechanism of control, of influence to use 157 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,280 Canada as an asset within a broader terrain to advance the 158 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,920 agenda of those who control Canada. 159 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,560 And now people might say, well, who isn't? 160 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:23,360 Isn't it Canadians who control Canada? 161 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,680 Not at all. Canada is a monarchy. 162 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:29,320 It it's run by a Privy Council, a Privy Council Office, 163 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,120 governor, generals and entire unelected civil service, which 164 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,040 is an enshrined deep state structure which is baked in to 165 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,240 our constitution, so-called since the 19th century. 166 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,640 Most policy decisions don't come from Canada. 167 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,360 It comes from these groups and an array of think tanks that are 168 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,040 loyal to the roundtable movement. 169 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,760 Like we have the Canada International Council, which is 170 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,400 sort of the, the analog to the CFR, the Council on Foreign 171 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,080 Relations, which is a big policy making Bureau that we have the 172 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,400 Canada 2020 think tank, which was what created and installed 173 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,760 Justin Trudeau and, and shaped much of today's liberal program. 174 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,600 It brought in many of the behaviorists around Barack Obama 175 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,200 to play a big role in that as well in this 2008 to 2014 176 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,520 period. So, you know, we have this whole 177 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:17,000 subterranean mechanism that is loyal to systems of, of 178 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,960 transnational empire far removed from anything here in North 179 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:26,040 America, even though, you know, and, and So what does it want? 180 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,840 Well, it, it wants feudalism, it wants hegemony, It wants to get 181 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,240 rid of the nation state system, which has been a troubling 182 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,320 innovation over the past few centuries, which has resulted in 183 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,360 giving to the people a means of, of defending themselves from 184 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:40,600 empire itself. Right. 185 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:46,680 And so everything that I, I, I, I interpret the actions by those 186 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,120 who are it's devoted servants in political positions as tied to 187 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,720 that general great objective. Now, what are the greatest 188 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,360 threats to set objective today? I think China and the Russian 189 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:02,600 alliance together have provided A troubling disruptive influence 190 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,600 of certain civilizational forces that are not willing to 191 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,080 necessarily acquiesce to the depopulation reset agenda the 192 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,120 way it was formulated in over many decades. 193 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:20,480 And especially China which has managed to keep control over its 194 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,920 banking system. It it avoided a major color 195 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,760 revolution where many other nations failed. 196 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,760 It expelled George Soros many decades ago and has been able to 197 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:36,760 unleash a type of paradigm of long term anti 0 sum thinking, 198 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,880 which provides for large scale infrastructure to be built that 199 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,680 empowers nations who work with China, businesses and people who 200 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:45,360 also benefit by that infrastructure. 201 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,880 Despite the slanders that we might hear from a lot of the 202 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,200 three letter agency run media outlets that try to say 203 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,280 something otherwise, the facts do speak for themselves. 204 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,640 Trying to eliminate, you know, a massive amount of poverty, a 205 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,080 billion people pulled out of poverty in a in a relatively 206 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,440 short time. And it's made that offer to the 207 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,720 world, to the United States, to Europe, to many countries to 208 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,640 say, if you want to break out of the, the Titanic that you're on 209 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:12,480 shift gears and stop pushing war with us and instead work with us 210 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,960 on building projects that will benefit you and create a 211 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,000 foundation of trust building and other things. 212 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:18,880 So far we've been very hard headed. 213 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,440 And instead we've we've chosen to accelerate the, the economic 214 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,360 asymmetric and other kinds of war in and around China. 215 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,400 And I think Carney's current objective is to try to do his 216 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:37,880 part in loosening the China Russia alliance by trying to put 217 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:43,960 a new kind of language to repair, to repair the the broken 218 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,800 relationship that Canada and China have had over the past 219 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,400 decade. It's it's, it was completely 220 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,960 annihilated over especially since 2017 when China realized 221 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:59,440 what a dangerous beast Canada was and they cancelled their 222 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,960 Canada China free trade agreement, which was a decade 223 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,400 long plan, which they just cancelled by simply allowing 224 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,080 Justin Trudeau to land in Beijing. 225 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,200 Nobody was there to greet him and the same day he was forced 226 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,800 to get back on the train on the plane fly back in embarrassment 227 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,440 thinking that he was there as a he was supposed to arrive as a 228 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,960 as a hero finalizing this long-awaited trade deal. 229 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,520 A solid message was put forth saying that China is no longer 230 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,880 interested in the offers of of tapping into Canada's resources, 231 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,760 which are abundant and underdeveloped. 232 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,400 But that was the promise. If you work with us, we'll 233 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,040 create all sorts of advantages and you'll be able to access 234 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,360 resources that you need. But if you try to, I think 235 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,480 recognize at that time that if they allow that dependency, then 236 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,840 those taps could be turned off at the whimsy of those who would 237 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,360 otherwise wish to destroy them. And they chose to instead keep 238 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,440 their their destiny locked in with Russia instead, even if 239 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,720 they're going to be paying a little bit more than what was 240 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,720 being offered by Canada. And I think and you know, the 241 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,640 the Meng Wanzhou, Huawei scandal, the rest of the two 242 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,600 Michaels, all of these things were the consequence of these 243 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,040 battles. A lot of, you know, the the 244 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:07,680 Canadian government had come in forcing China to to disinvest 245 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:09,680 from its various mining interests in Canada. 246 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:12,920 So there was a very hostile battle and I think almost a 247 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,960 healthy battle that had occurred because of China's realization 248 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,880 of what Canada was. But I think now with the new 249 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,480 strategy, Carney is able to say to China and the Chinese elite, 250 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,400 look, you're being bullied, we're being bullied. 251 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,480 You have a hostile America on your backyard. 252 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,720 We have a hostile America. We're different now. 253 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,360 And Jeffrey Sachs has been sort of, for those who have noticed 254 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,400 for the past couple of years, he's been creating a an 255 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,880 intellectual terrain on the media circuits to try to 256 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,720 persuade the Chinese intelligentsia that there is 257 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:49,360 this, this, this healthier Carney, Carney like statecraft 258 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,600 waiting to come into being that wants to work with you, which is 259 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,760 more enlightened than the big bad, Batty Americans. 260 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,480 And to what degree that that persuasion has been working, I 261 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,480 don't know. But I think that that is what is 262 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,840 applied and what Carney is trying to do right now to to 263 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,840 basically provide to say, OK, look, we're, we're going to be 264 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,160 able to work with China. We're going to have a new 265 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,760 special relationship. And, and he's walking a fine 266 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,240 line because, you know, it's, it's a bit difficult with the, 267 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,840 with what the narrative has been baked, has been built up to do 268 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,960 in the US, which is, you know, the Trump's whole mandate, a lot 269 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,080 of his narrative has been around the idea that China is our 270 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,560 existential enemy that we have to mobilize our resources 271 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,880 against, even if that means sanctioning Canada. 272 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,400 So there's, there's certain, you know, consequences to narratives 273 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,040 that are, that don't mesh, that are creating these interesting 274 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,920 dramas. And I'm curious to see how that 275 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,080 unfolds. So obviously Carney in China, 276 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,520 what was it 2 weeks before he went to Davos, star Starmer in 277 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,160 China? We were recording this Starmer. 278 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,120 Starmer is still in China at the moment. 279 00:15:54,120 --> 00:16:01,000 Can China Can China stand up to being propagandized by two such 280 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,160 illustrious world leaders? Shannon's got some pretty smart, 281 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,800 smart people running the show and I, I would, I would like to 282 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,440 think that they've got a pretty good handle on the duplicity of 283 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:17,960 these groveling schmucks. Who are I, I really do think Now 284 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,480 does that mean everybody in decision making positions is 285 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,160 that wise? I mean, I don't I wouldn't say 286 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,680 that either. You know that people like stacks 287 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,800 have have been working very, very slowly and and patiently 288 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,680 building up followers. You know, he he brags how he 289 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,360 lectures regularly in Beijing universities and he's been doing 290 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,200 that training Beijing technocrats and or not Beijing, 291 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,000 but Chinese technocrats and people who are in influential 292 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,200 positions to adopt his way of thinking. 293 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,360 Now keep in mind, this is the guy who, despite what he says 294 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,520 now in denial of what he did, he did oversee for the IMF the 295 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,760 complete rape of Russia under perestroika. 296 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,600 And I don't believe for a second that he was simply misguided and 297 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,480 thought, you know, he meant well, but you know, bad things 298 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,400 happened by accident. I don't believe that in any way. 299 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,119 I think that he was very self aware and got exactly what he 300 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,119 wanted and has been trying to rebrand his disastrous policy. 301 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,760 But he he was, he's the guy himself is a, is a religiously 302 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,960 devoted Keynesian cyberneticist. He's given lectures at the 303 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,359 London School of Economics on the importance of everybody to 304 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,520 pay fealty to the doctrines of of John Maynard Keynes as well 305 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,560 as the the the doctrines of Lord Bertrand Russell, the the 306 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,240 godfather of cybernetics, which he's also a believer in as far 307 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,320 as the language of of power projection and control of 308 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,640 systems. Just just for people that don't 309 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,480 know, just just explain what you mean by cybernetics. 310 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,120 Yeah, that was a a certain computing. 311 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,200 It was a it was a language of control developed after World 312 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,000 War 2 by Norbert Wiener and advanced also by by John von 313 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,880 Neumann. Wiener was a disciple of Lord 314 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,600 Bertrand Russell in Cambridge in when Russell was still 315 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,400 publishing his famous Principia Mathematicas, which professed to 316 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,240 try to basically control all knowledge of the world in a 317 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,760 radically in a radical positivist manner rooted in 318 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,520 certain limited axioms and postulates That he said if you 319 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,320 just get enough data plugged into your basically a computer 320 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,000 formula, you would be able to with those limited axioms, be 321 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,040 able to linearly extrapolate into the future and past all 322 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,440 possible knowledge, becoming effectively omniscient, Kind of 323 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,280 like having an Oracle, an Oracle that gives us access to all 324 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,480 knowledge that could ever be and ever would be and ever was with 325 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,840 his formula. But he said it wasn't practical, 326 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,520 it was too theoretical. And he challenged his disciples, 327 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,920 of which Norbert Wiener was among the brightest, to find 328 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,080 practical ways of applying this to manage human systems, which 329 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,320 is always the idea or create a lens through which we can we 330 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,480 could analyze the new science. The new scientists could analyze 331 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,280 and interpret all systems of reality, biologic, ecologic, 332 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,240 astrologic, human, sociologic, you name it. 333 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,760 And so that became. Do you think do you think modern 334 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,840 AI systems are being built on this model? 335 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,080 It's entirely built on this model, yes. 336 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,200 So Norbert Wiener and, and his work on the human use for human 337 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,800 beings and, and his actual literal book Cybernetics, which 338 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,480 was funded by eugenics bankrolling Josiah Macy 339 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,160 foundation operations, which is what gave rise to the, the Macy 340 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,720 cybernetics conferences that again, we're funding eugenics in 341 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,560 Nazi Germany and Canada and the US throughout the the 20s and 342 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,760 30s. That's for the 30s, that's what 343 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,080 was funding cybernetics. And in his books, he's very 344 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,280 clear that machines will well, first he he starts with a 345 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,840 fallacy that the human mind is a form of machine that uses 346 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,760 essentially computer like feedback loops to a central 347 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,200 mechanism that that simply interpret plugs in data into 348 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,920 patterns. Where those patterns come from, 349 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,360 or what gives meaning to those patterns in his mind is 350 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,040 metaphysical absurdity. Don't think too much about that 351 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,760 because that gets us into the into the realm we're not 352 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,480 supposed to go as as slaves. But from there he says based on 353 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,840 that, that fallacy, which he says is true, that we can know 354 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,520 that these primitive binary computing machines that were 355 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,480 being developed by John Nash and others, you know, in in the 356 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,480 World War, World War 2 that he was a part of would eventually 357 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,640 become, as he says, self thinking could become self 358 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,680 reproducing. And such that this approach to 359 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,040 automation he said would eventually would inevitably 360 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,920 deterministically render more and more human beings irrelevant 361 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,920 in time. So he did completely create the 362 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,600 foundations, yes, of the current AI cult that does believe that 363 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,480 human beings are these ultimately inferior useless 364 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,840 eaters that have to be made redundant and exterminated by 365 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,080 some imaginary future singularity moment, which was, 366 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,720 you know, colored by people like Julian Huxley and and Puerto de 367 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,800 Chalde in the 1950s. They added some detail to this 368 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,760 Omega Point or whatever you want to call it, that that gave rise 369 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:11,000 to the language that was refined by people like Ray Kurzweil and 370 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,200 others around this, you know, future imaginary moment where 371 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,960 machines become self thinking and we become Skynet and we all 372 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,480 we all get to die or yeah. Yeah. 373 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,160 So but China seems to be taking a slightly different approach to 374 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:32,040 to AI and they don't seem to be quite so or at least they seem 375 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,960 to be putting more controls on the direction of travel that 376 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,080 that they're heading in with that particular technology. 377 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,600 I mean, have you got any thoughts on on on that? 378 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,360 Yeah. And I'd love to get your 379 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,800 thoughts on that as well. But I've noticed as well, from 380 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,760 my, my standpoint, what I've observed, I've been impressed by 381 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,200 China's completely different approach to educating their 382 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,400 people about the nature of AI and the responsibilities that 383 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,760 the people have towards their own minds in dealing with 384 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,960 something like as disruptive as AI. 385 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:07,440 And so China's like, you know, you can go to CGTN there and see 386 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,480 many documentaries, many presentations where they're 387 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:16,240 encouraging the, the reading of original texts to develop the, 388 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,920 the philosophical qualities of wisdom within the minds of young 389 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,120 people who will then be able to see where are the limitations of 390 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:24,880 the AI and where are its usefulness. 391 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:29,040 So they're they're much more considerate in providing that 392 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,880 understanding. Where is in the West, there is 393 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,360 no such consideration. There's only brainwashing that's 394 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:38,240 being messaged out to convince us that there is only one 395 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,560 approach to AI, which is to wait for it to render you extinct 396 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,800 while you're going maybe drugs and video games to to distract 397 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,360 yourself while you're getting UB universal basic income waiting 398 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,560 to Peter out. You know, as a as an obsolete 399 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,200 machine that couldn't afford to merge with Neurolink. 400 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,280 Now in China, it's a different approach. 401 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,520 They've also got, because of their national paradigm, which 402 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,640 or their civilizational paradigm, which is very much 403 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,200 generate or driven by uninformed, a much greater 404 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,160 informed set of lived experiences of the deep past 405 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,480 than what we have. We've been much more cut off of 406 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,240 the positive experiences of the Western society that's been 407 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,040 erased from our collective memory. 408 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,920 China has greater access to it. So things that happened 2000 409 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:25,440 years are having a much more deeper and important impact in 410 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,520 shaping their current strategies, especially around 411 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,160 things like the revived Silk Road of the Han dynasty, which 412 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,120 has become the foundation philosophically of their of 413 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:39,680 their current foreign and internal policy of building a 414 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,880 community of of common principle. 415 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,120 As John Quincy Adams had had formulated this in the 1820s and 416 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:47,840 30s, a community of principle would be the only foundation 417 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,360 around which a non Hobbesian structure of humankind could 418 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:52,560 work. Where we realize that our 419 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,400 self-interest is not in weakening our neighbor, but in 420 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,840 in helping our neighbor, even if they're different from us, 421 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:01,040 become better. And in doing so, our our 422 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,920 security, our power of having Better Business partners, of 423 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,760 having more trustworthy neighbors will all improve. 424 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,440 Which is a truthful thing that again, we used to have more 425 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,720 access to it in saner times in the West, but we've, we've lost 426 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,960 it. China, which does have a revival 427 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,600 of that. They have national goals that 428 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,600 define the behavior of their economy of their, of their 429 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:27,640 governing class. So they have things like, if you 430 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,760 look at recently, they built one of the, I think the third 431 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,600 largest dam in the world, hydroelectric dam. 432 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,640 We haven't built any hydroelectric dams in the West 433 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,600 in probably 50 years is since the 70s. 434 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,840 China's built I think 7 of the 11th biggest dams over the past 435 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,520 30 years, Seoul, China. And some are really big now. 436 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,080 This one that I was telling you about, the third biggest in the 437 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,160 world. It's massive. 438 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,080 It's going to improve the quality of life of so many 439 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,080 people, provide abundant electricity, flood controls, you 440 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,120 name it. Fresh water access and all sorts 441 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,640 of good things are happening. But almost no human beings were 442 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,680 involved. It was entirely organized by 443 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:09,040 automation of a highly organized AI managed system of, of, of 444 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,400 machines working. And you had very, you had some, 445 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,640 but very, very, very little human input, but that was 446 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,480 machines at the service of the needs of humankind. 447 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,520 Because it is very dangerous. You don't want to necessarily 448 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,240 put people if you don't have to through that type of hostile 449 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,880 environment working on dams. It's very dangerous. 450 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,400 Again, very arduous. That in my mind is a very good 451 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,720 use of AI. But if we don't have, if we 452 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,360 don't have a society that has any big visions, big missions 453 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,440 that define our, our next generations, better living 454 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,560 standards, which we don't have, then AI will increasingly just 455 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,480 be used to pacify, entertain, distracting and control. 456 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,400 As I think our, our static society that's been floating on 457 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,120 too many years of consumerism as a drug have allowed ourselves to 458 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:55,600 sort of we, we lost that idea of, of John F Kennedy's think 459 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,960 about the next generation, think about the next 5 generations, 460 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,880 which China still has very strong access to it to the 461 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,840 degree that you do. I think all of those dual use 462 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,560 technologies, as AI is one of them, include the atom and 463 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,800 atomic power being another one would be typically used to 464 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,640 service that future goal. If you don't have that, then 465 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,640 these things will be used typically for more destructive 466 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,520 events. Let's just just, this might be a 467 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,560 little bit diversionary, but let's just talk a little bit 468 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,160 about, about the Western, the Western view of AI. 469 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,200 And the way I'm saying this, I'd be interested in your in whether 470 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,880 you think I'm even close to the mark here. 471 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:39,000 But how it seems to me is that that we during 2021-2022, during 472 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,920 the lockdown period, we demonstrated to people what life 473 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,400 would be like sitting in front of their sofas, sitting on their 474 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,720 sofas in front of the television, watching Netflix all 475 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,560 day. We paid them to be at home by 476 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,520 putting them on furlough schemes and so on. 477 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,840 And that, you know, this issue of Ubi, because you mentioned it 478 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,320 a second ago, has been doing the rounds for for many years and 479 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,800 they've been a number of pilot schemes. 480 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,400 And of course, the question in most people's minds was, well, 481 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,600 where does the money come from to pay for the universal basic 482 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,280 income that that is going to be handed out for free to people 483 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,040 while they sit and watch Netflix? 484 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,280 And of course, the answer to that is clear now it's going to 485 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,160 come from AI and robotics doing the productive work, the the, 486 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,120 the financial, the money generating part of the work 487 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,560 which which humans used to do, but humans will no longer be 488 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,760 doing. And therefore it's no problem 489 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,480 just to hand them a bung to, to sit in front of the television. 490 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:41,880 But of course that, that, that life, that vision of, of what 491 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,360 society is going to be like in the future seems to be one that 492 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:49,160 that, you know, the, the, the billionaire class, the AI 493 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,160 billionaire class gets very excited about. 494 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,000 But, and maybe maybe some people that, that are finding that the 495 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,120 jobs that they are forced to do in the West are not that 496 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,320 appealing. Maybe that idea appeals to them 497 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:06,320 as well. But of course, what it, what it 498 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,400 absolutely does is put the, put the top on, put the, the, the, 499 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,360 the icing on the cake of the, the sort of panopticon idea 500 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,080 that, that, that our, the British home secretary is so 501 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,640 keen to implement at the moment. It's, it's, it is the, the final 502 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,360 level of control. Because of course, if you don't 503 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,400 behave yourself in the right way, then your universal basic 504 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,080 income is taken away and there's no real economy of any kind for 505 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,800 you to take part in which would allow you to even eat. 506 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:43,560 Um, so, so this, this, uh, for, as I see this developing over 507 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,680 the next, I mean, actually, I think it's going to develop 508 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,280 very, very quickly now. Uh, it's a pretty dark looking 509 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,160 future for people if, if we don't, if we don't recognize 510 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,400 what is actually going on and, and consider how we might, you 511 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,160 know, skirt around this vision that clearly Musk and others 512 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,040 have. So, So what do you think? 513 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,840 I mean, am I far off the mark with that that assessment? 514 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,480 No, no, you, I don't think you're far off the mark at all. 515 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:21,240 Unfortunately, I think that's much much of what is desired. 516 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,240 You know, I started today's chat by just encouraging people to 517 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,520 take a step back and to think sometimes as you would one of 518 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,480 these sociopathic oligarch types who see themselves God like game 519 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,760 masters. And I think that when you do 520 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,600 that, there's a lot we can, we can work with as far as things 521 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,360 that people think. Oh, but what happened in the 522 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,240 1930s is so disconnected in time from what we're living in today. 523 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,600 There's nothing I can, I just mentioned that China's 524 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,480 experiences from 2000 years ago are having a direct influence in 525 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,240 shaping their strategies in shaping the, the Belton Rd. 526 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,280 initiative, the new Silk Road today for a good way. 527 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,560 That's like a healthy version of learning from the past and how 528 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,360 the past affects the future, which I mean, again, we're 529 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,520 shaping the future in the present. 530 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,600 But inversely as well, bad toxic ideas. 531 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,560 You know, we mentioned feudalism is always the ambition or the 532 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,960 restoration of some form or a variation of. 533 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,080 Feudalism is one of the constants amongst all 534 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,680 oligarchically managed societies that believe that human beings 535 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,360 are simply another variation of, of wildlife to be found. 536 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,640 You know, if we don't differentiate the qualitative 537 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,640 transcendental nature of the human, you know, the, the human 538 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,800 versus, let's say the wolf or the, the cow. 539 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,040 If we don't make that differentiation because there's 540 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,040 similarities DNA wise. And, and you know, we all poop 541 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,160 and breathe and eat food and have sex. 542 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,360 And so we're all the same if, if we if we just and there then the 543 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,520 consequence of how we choose to organize that type of 544 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,200 bestialized society will involve some form of alpha wolves 545 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,760 controlling the beta wolves and Omega wolves as subspecies, as 546 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,720 feudal Lords do thinking of themselves as hereditarily 547 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,080 superior masters to inferior born slave families. 548 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,760 And so whatever the spin might be, it'll always be the same 549 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,440 kind of effect. Keeping slaves dumb, pacified, 550 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,240 distracted, maybe in a state of terror if possible, if not, at 551 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,120 least placate them by giving them an overabundance of 552 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,360 stimulation that's hedonistic, that disrupts their ability to 553 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,520 think about well, what freedom is or what's being lost. 554 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,560 So that sort of thing is always in today's world. 555 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,640 It's just applying a bit. It's adding to the ancient 556 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,040 formula with a bit more technology, you know, it's 557 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,800 coloring. But in the 1930s, as you 558 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,560 mentioned, Elon Musk, his father or his grandfather, Joshua 559 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,000 Haldeman, I think was part of something which is having a, it 560 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,800 didn't disappear, let's say that after World War 2 and that thing 561 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,720 that Joshua Haldeman, Elon Musk's grandfather was involved 562 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,520 with was Technocracy Incorporated. 563 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,920 And anybody looking at the the maps of the Technocracy 564 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,640 Incorporated, which was an organization set up in 1932 to 565 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,160 solve the Great Depression by this guy, Howard Scott. 566 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,920 And the idea of this was to simply say, let's get rid of the 567 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,920 elected class. Let's get rid of the capitalism. 568 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,480 It's just corrupt by it, by its nature. 569 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,960 And let's create a Society of of engineers from the top managing 570 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,880 a regional techniques with the North American technique being 571 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,720 part of their study guide. That was sort of the Bible of 572 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,640 the of the Technocracy Incorporated movement, which 573 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,760 again Elon Musk's grandfather LED in Canada. 574 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,520 He was the the regional director of Canada for that that 575 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,760 movement. It was quite influential. 576 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,280 They had 500,500 thousand members in in California alone. 577 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,600 It was quite big and been getting popular with the despair 578 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,120 people were were feeling and suffering from the Great 579 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,160 Depression. And part of what they wanted was 580 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:43,440 essentially a program of Ubi energy credits that would be 581 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,720 premised around the notion that you could calculate all 582 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640 consumable goods and the energy associated with all consumable 583 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,680 goods and how many people there are consuming those goods, which 584 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,880 will be subdivided mathematically to provide 585 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,960 credits for the course of the lifespans of those people. 586 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,720 Now, what determines the lifespans of those people? 587 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,720 And you know that that's up for question because this 588 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,560 organization was also full of eugenicists who promoted the 589 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,720 idea that human beings were just, were just a form of 590 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,480 machine. And like machines that can get 591 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,120 rusting obsolete, so too can humans that you should put in 592 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,880 the, in the dumpster when they're too old. 593 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,520 So in But all that to say they, they sold themselves as a 594 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,520 pacifist, you know, the absolutely pacifist 595 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,400 organization, yet at the same time not so genuine because if 596 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,840 you're, if your borders are going to expand to Greenland, 597 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,920 Canada, Mexico, all of most of Latin America, Venezuela, 598 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,600 Panama, Nicaragua would have most of Colombia, if that, if 599 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,920 that's really what you see, your jurisdiction, those countries 600 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,440 are probably not going to just lay down and do it peacefully. 601 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,720 So your pacifist, you know, things are probably a lie. 602 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,480 That being said, they didn't have the computing power 603 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,680 available in those days to properly take the data or use 604 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,920 calculate the type of data they wanted to. 605 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,160 And so it kind of was left in a in a too ambiguous realm and 606 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,160 couldn't quite get the type of hole that Joshua Haldeman and 607 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,520 others wanted. By the way, the guy who who 608 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,480 actually shake this was a fellow by the name of Thorstein the 609 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,560 Blen, who was a. Well, I actually, I was sorry 610 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,000 you'll go on with that in a second, but but I was just going 611 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,199 to ask, are there, are there parallels to the shape of things 612 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,000 to come actually? Yes, yes. 613 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,040 And you know, this is where it gets very interesting because in 614 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,920 HG Wells even said it doesn't matter if we move through 615 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,159 socialism or through capitalism, we can get to world government 616 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:38,400 in either direction. And HG Wells was a leading 617 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,760 Fabian Society, Fabian Society thinkers, as people know of big 618 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,159 eugenicists and was also somebody who was sort of a 619 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,360 partner, an intellectual partner, dance partners in so 620 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,520 many ways with both Julian Huxley as well as Bertrand 621 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,040 Russell. They all kind of danced together 622 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,320 to play the game of or the he was actually the innovator of of 623 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,000 board games. Actually, HG Wells founded a 624 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,600 small wars that was the name of his his first board game in like 625 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,800 19 O 7. And he would basically train. 626 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,840 He saw this as a great way to train the young to become 627 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,640 potential recruits to a managerial class like he was. 628 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,920 Because he wasn't from a high family, he wasn't highborn, but 629 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,280 he knew that he had certain creative powers that were 630 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,720 lacking in many of those overlords that he was devoted to 631 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:28,480 serving. And and was very frustrated by 632 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,760 the rigidity of the old hereditary classes and was 633 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,360 trying to get them to loosen up a little bit and open up and 634 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,080 realize that they need to find ways of making the creative 635 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,960 process available to young people in a way that also in 636 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,640 awoke a sense of wolf like Hobbesian 0 sum feelings in in 637 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,880 young people who, by playing these games that became things 638 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,040 like risk and Monopoly and those the small the wars games would 639 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,200 would create a a a psychological framework out of which you could 640 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,520 more easily recruit talent that will be useful for managing the 641 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,200 the type of thing he lays out in his, you know, world brain and 642 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:09,720 open conspiracy programs and other things like that. 643 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,640 So I think additionally, what you said about the, the the the 644 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,680 things to come story is, is, is important because yeah, he's 645 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,640 talking about a Soviet of engineers, right? 646 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,080 That's what what invoked that, that association in your mind. 647 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,320 And that's a big part of of his story is that this this world 648 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,080 left to human devices alone naturally turns into a a plague 649 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,840 ridden, war ridden hellscape of dystopia. 650 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,120 You know, I think he actually innovates the first zombies that 651 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,680 that's become popular later on. He convinced that The Walking 652 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,120 plague or whatever and the only people to save the day are these 653 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,840 Masonic engineers the the the wings of the world that emerge 654 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,720 out of the skies to save the the the the the war ridden, 655 00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:00,640 sovereign nation state ridden world by imposing a higher order 656 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,600 from above. Which is exactly how 657 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,400 Thorstenberg Blinn was thinking when he called for a mass strike 658 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,800 of the engineers in his program for the the Technical Alliance. 659 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,880 That was a a branch of the John Dewey's New School set up in 660 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,720 1919 as a Fabian Society outlet in in the United in New York. 661 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,200 This is this generally was staffed by a lot of figures who 662 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,480 went on to create the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. 663 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,880 In that same 1921 period, Walter Littman played a big role in in 664 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,680 New School as an outgrowth of Columbia and Thorsten Verblen. 665 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,400 Again, he was the the, the master mentor of so many of 666 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,200 these, these young disciples like Howard Scott, who and he 667 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,920 also worked with the workers of the world's unite to create data 668 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,840 sets that involves psychological profiles as well of the workers 669 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,920 to see what do they, what do they want? 670 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,440 What are they stimulated by? What are they afraid of? 671 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,800 What are the corruptions. So there were, it wasn't just 672 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,040 simply energy credit for energy data that they were accumulating 673 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,800 or agricultural data, though they were doing that. 674 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,880 They were also looking at psychological profiles for their 675 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,000 idea of managing human resources. 676 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,760 So this is what again, Jock Yuan Musk's grandfather innovates in 677 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,040 and advances for the Canadian outlet of this agency and and 678 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,280 he's arrested for being on the wrong side of World War 2 679 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,800 because he's clearly fascist. They're clearly promoting, you 680 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,240 know, something which is insurrectionary to our entire 681 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,600 way of life And and he has to go on. 682 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,880 But I, but I think that as you said, this Ubi thing, it would 683 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,040 only work if you completely render the current system 684 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,600 defunct through a controlled demolition, as we've, as we've, 685 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,920 we're witnessing right now. And out of that, maybe a new 686 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,920 mathematize type of, of digital credit could be created that 687 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,520 might be associated with the amount of measurable energy and 688 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,320 behavior in the system that people can be allocated certain 689 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,080 numbers and that can be reduced if they behave badly or maybe 690 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,680 rewarded if they do things, you know, that are that please the 691 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,320 elites, they might get more bonuses or whatever. 692 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:07,960 But yeah, the the very, very dangerous idea that didn't 693 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,200 disappear after World War 2. And I mean, what you've just 694 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,920 described in the, in the last couple of sentences, there was, 695 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,520 was, I suppose, something that we could call social credit. 696 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:20,600 But of course, there's where we could talk about Ubi. 697 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,200 And there's another economic policy that does the rounds, 698 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,640 which is also called social credit by strange coincidence, 699 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,680 but was designed by a guy called Douglas. 700 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:39,760 I mean, I see a lot of people pushing pushing that idea as a 701 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,120 potential solution to our economic woes, but but to me it 702 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,680 just looks like Ubi and other guys. 703 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,560 It is. It absolutely is. 704 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,360 And I've seen the same thing. It's very, there's a big 705 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,560 discussion around social credit in Canada because Canada is one 706 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,000 of the few places where it actually gained political power 707 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,840 in the 1930s and 40s and 50s. Actually, in British Columbia it 708 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,080 was the dominant political party from 1952 until 1991, except for 709 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,560 three years in Alberta as well for many decades. 710 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,080 And there's still a certain romanticization of what this is 711 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,000 as as as a theater, as a as a philosophy, as a system. 712 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,120 But sure enough, you're right when you do look at a major Ch 713 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,080 Douglas, who was himself a disciple of a, of a certain 714 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:30,520 cultist by the name of Alfred Richard Oraj, who was a, a high 715 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,240 level Theosophist, who was a Luciferian who ran a new, a 716 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,840 magazine actually called New Age. 717 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,000 He was a fading society member for a number of years. 718 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,760 And he's the one who actually coined, he gave the term to 719 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,120 Douglas social credit to define Douglas's system because Douglas 720 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,800 was publishing in his New Age magazine from 191919201921. 721 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,120 And I mean the, the mechanical view of economics published by 722 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,440 Douglas. He was still trying to find a 723 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,440 name for this, this ephemeral thing, and it was 724 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,080 underdeveloped. It was like an underdefined 725 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,120 idea, but in general form. And this is where Oraj says, I 726 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,320 got the word, it's social credit. 727 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,800 And so he gave it that label. Oraj, by the way, was also the 728 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,840 disciple and personal assistant to Gurgyev, another famous 729 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,800 occultist who people studying espionage, occult espionage and 730 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,000 black magic would have encountered Gurgyev's name. 731 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,640 Well, sorry, I don't, I don't want to interrupt your train of 732 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,880 thought too much, but I'd just like to go a little bit deeper 733 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,840 into, into Gergiev because of course, more, if anybody is 734 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,760 aware of him at all, it's because he produced a book 735 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,200 that's, that's got a quite a famous title BLC Bobby Tales to 736 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:41,440 his grandson, which if anybody's seen it is, I don't know how 737 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,760 anybody actually reads it, but that's that's a whole other 738 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,720 issue. But, but I mean, what, what, 739 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,480 what was his relationship to intelligence and and those kinds 740 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,920 of these kinds of operations? OK, for that, that's such a big 741 00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:01,320 one. Let's put that as a focus for 742 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,360 the time because I this is an important idea of the social 743 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,040 credit thing. I don't want to and we don't 744 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,960 have a limited amount of time ahead of us here. 745 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:16,800 So basically what Douglas did is he serving this network around 746 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,400 Araj. So Araj breaks away from the 747 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,280 Fabians. This is you need to, people need 748 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,600 to know this. If they want to understand 749 00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:24,920 social credit in 1919 that emerged in 1920, they need to 750 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,840 know what happened in 1912. Why do Araj break with the 751 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,560 Fabians? Because he didn't break by 752 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,360 himself. He there was a controlled sort 753 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,600 of diffurcation or or splitting off. 754 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,880 That's what these occult agencies always seem to do is 755 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,040 they break off in these little disputes like a hydro with many 756 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,240 heads to create these controlled dialectics. 757 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,280 They always create not in ones but in twos. 758 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,760 So they create a left hand and a right hand controlled dialectic 759 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,360 and then they get people to get gravitationally pulled into the 760 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,160 debate of do you want Fabian socialism, top downstate run 761 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:58,880 controls that completely don't care about really human free 762 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,920 will and personal agencies so much like that's all sacrificial 763 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,040 to the greater collective concepts. 764 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:10,360 Or do you want some form of bottom up spin on proto 765 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,880 libertarianism where only the individual matters and not 766 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,240 really the collective? That's an absurd, ephemeral 767 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:17,720 idea, but it's all about the individual. 768 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:23,320 Now, in the case of of Oraja's network that Douglas was a part 769 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,160 of, what they did after he split from Fabian, Fabianism is he 770 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,200 started promoting something called guilt socialism, the idea 771 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,520 of devolving power to local communes. 772 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,560 And in Douglas's writings and his many speeches, he makes the 773 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,360 point that not only should in an in an abstract sense, power be 774 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,520 devolved from the nation state, which he doesn't even believe 775 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,320 should exist, is he says nation states actually don't play, 776 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,960 should not be tolerated because they're outlets of corruption in 777 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,520 control. We should devolve power as well 778 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,600 as in we should. He he says that and I've got a 779 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,960 big quote from him describing how industrial civilization 780 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,840 itself is a corrupt aberration and that we should go back to 781 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,640 energy intensive forms of artisanry. 782 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,480 So, you know, you could see clearly the, the, the fault or 783 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,320 the, the thoughts of people like John Ruskin and William Morris, 784 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,840 who are sort of the the founders of this Guild, socialist, pre 785 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,080 Raphaelites romanticization of medievalism, pre pre nation 786 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,600 state medievalism, pre Renaissance medievalism, which 787 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,000 is influencing orage it's influencing Ruskin and Morris 788 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,440 are everywhere here. So they're creating this idea 789 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,760 that, OK, if we just had these beautiful little utopian 790 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,080 communes without advanced technology, then we would all 791 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,720 have liberty and freedom and, and we would have progress and 792 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,240 abundance. And naturally, you know, again, 793 00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:46,000 it gets very, very, it's like magical thinking that people 794 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,680 will just organize and self organize systems and then 795 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,480 progress will happen. Corruption will disappear and 796 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,160 we'll have this future. That's great. 797 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,000 But planning is bad in any any type of role of a nation 798 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,480 planning something for the future, as China is doing now 799 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,880 with the Bri or as the US had done under JFK or FDR or 800 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,720 whatever, or Lincoln, that's bad. 801 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:11,560 That should be eliminated. And so, yeah, he was marketing 802 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,480 his stuff actually, just like he, like Kings, was actually 803 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,200 propping them up. So John Maynard Kings, another 804 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,400 Fabian who is all about top down planning, was actually propping 805 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,480 up Douglas by setting him in his general theory. 806 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,440 Both Kings and Douglas were writing letters to the Nazi high 807 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,400 command to Hitler directly, which is all available. 808 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,280 Both Kings and Douglas marketing their systems to the Nazis, 809 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,480 making the point that the Nazi type of governing governing 810 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,600 system is ideal for each one. Now the problem is the irony is 811 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,360 that each one appears to be opposing. 812 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,160 One seems to all be about bottom up emergent self organization. 813 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,040 The other one's all about top down national planning. 814 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,120 But they're working together. It's a controlled dialectic and 815 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,960 they're they both correctly identify that their systems and 816 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,120 and it actually wasn't a letter by kings, by the way. 817 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,080 It was his preface in his German edition of the 1936 general 818 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,680 theory. For those who might want to say 819 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,680 he never wrote a letter. He wrote the general theory, the 820 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,480 preface. And he says it's it's in 821 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,480 Hitler's Germany that you'd find the best application for my 822 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,640 system under it doesn't work under under democracy. 823 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,800 So, you know, you got this thing in the fact that Joshua Haldeman 824 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,720 is moving from Technocracy Inc, which he's running for until 825 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,480 he's arrested in 1940 and it's made illegal because now we're 826 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,400 in World War 2. He immediately goes on to become 827 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,640 the head of the Social Credit Party of Canada or of 828 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,600 Saskatchewan. Sorry. 829 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,200 And he does that from 1943 up until 1949, he's running for 830 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,520 office and he's pushing social credit, which you would think is 831 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,640 the opposite of what he was pushing with Technocracy in Core 832 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,600 earlier when he was working for three years as the head of the 833 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,000 Fabian Society of Canada, which is what he did from 1933 until 834 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,440 1936 is Joshua Haldeman was the head and founder of the Fabian 835 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,240 Society of Saskatchewan, which meant he was directly receiving 836 00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:01,680 orders or at least working with five Rd. scholars who were the 837 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,360 founders of the Fabian Society, many of whom were pushing 838 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,920 eugenics anyway. And the replacement of 839 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,520 capitalism and democracy by a a managerial class of elites. 840 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,840 That's what the Fabian Society wants and always wanted. 841 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,040 And their Canadian branch became known as the Cooperative 842 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,200 Commonwealth Federation. That would that became known as 843 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,480 the NDP today the the Orange Party, which is the middle 844 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,840 party. And it merged in the in the 60s 845 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,040 with the Liberals. So they pretty much became one 846 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:30,200 thing, and I mean, I say merge, they still exist, but pretty 847 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:35,440 much all of the purely Trudeau was an NDP technocrat and he 848 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,920 basically went with all of his fellow NDP technocrats and 849 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,880 became Liberals to gain political power. 850 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,560 So I'm saying that, you know, they didn't merge officially, 851 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,040 but they merged in essence. And that's what Joshua Haldeman. 852 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,640 So he has these three phases in his Canadian political career, 853 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,480 all of which seem different in different ways, but they're 854 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:59,240 actually identically driven by the same agenda of of maximizing 855 00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:01,880 the illusion of personal liberty from the bottom up perspective, 856 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,960 but maximizing the reality of top down controls by a world 857 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,400 governing class. Which is why also I'll just say 858 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,160 this beef. Even globalist eugenicist like 859 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:18,440 Bertrand Russell also is a self professed anarcho syndicalist 860 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,640 who says that that's the best form of organizing society at 861 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,000 the same time as he's proposing and fighting for one world 862 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,240 government under a managerial class. 863 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,520 As is Elon Musk, who actually wrote a tweet two years ago 864 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,800 saying anarcho symbolism for the win as at the same time in the 865 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,000 same day that he was calling for a Martian technique. 866 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,760 So you've got the same language, the same naming protocols as 867 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,800 well by Elon and company who are all transhumanists. 868 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,280 They think in the same terms as those I was just referring to as 869 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,240 far as human beings being machines to be merged with other 870 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,520 machines. If they want to stay relevant 871 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,440 because we're inferior biological machines. 872 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,640 They, they promote the idea of drugs and video games to 873 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,800 distract the useless eaters will be made irrelevant. 874 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,200 And you know, Peter Thiel, Elon, who were incubated in South 875 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,320 Africa where, where Joshua Haldeman went in 1949 when he 876 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,040 got too exasperated by the lack of, of acceptance of his 877 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,760 doctrines. He went to the freest place on 878 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,440 in the world and began promoting. 879 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:24,200 He became essentially a promoter and a publisher of 880 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,240 conspiratorial anti Jewish narratives of, you know, 881 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,200 republishing the Protocols of Zion, which is what Douglas 882 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,800 Major. Douglas was also promoting with 883 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,400 ARAJ as well as the Canadian Social Credit Party, which was 884 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,240 the only party to impose eugenics as well and support 885 00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:42,920 eugenics and sterilization of the unfit, especially natives. 886 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,040 But across the board in Canada in the 1940s, fifties onward, 887 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,760 they were also promoting, They were the own political party, 888 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,480 promoting and publishing the Protocols of Zion that are 889 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,760 provable forgeries cooked up by the Theosophists themselves, you 890 00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,960 know, decades earlier. And that's what Elon Musk's 891 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:03,440 grandfather is also citing and promoting in South Africa, which 892 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,600 is he's arriving at the beginning of apartheid, which I 893 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,840 mean, I don't have to, I hope I don't have to say anything to 894 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,560 the audience about why that was a bad idea. 895 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,640 But that's where Elon and Peter Feel are incubated and are grown 896 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,880 out of this sort of like Nazi utopian environments of 897 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,600 districts and, you know, identity cards that give people 898 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,320 mobility rights or don't in South Africa. 899 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,680 That was what was done under a very, very, I, I would say that 900 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,200 there's probably a lot of unreconstructed Nazi controllers 901 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,840 who are probably active managing that shit show that inspired 902 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,840 Elon's grandfather and father and and probably himself to a 903 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,440 certain degree, I would say. Yes, wow. 904 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:46,960 Where do we go from there? So so. 905 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,120 I could say, I mean, I could say more, but I, I, I think like, 906 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,680 but here's the thing, right? Like a lot of people, they, 907 00:50:53,680 --> 00:51:00,000 they, they want to believe so badly that they want to believe 908 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,320 so badly that Elon is this great genius that I mean, Tesla, you 909 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,040 know, you can even say, say a word about that too, right? 910 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,000 Like the fact that Tesla was also in New York in five star 911 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,080 hotels in the 1920s. Tesla's also on record calling 912 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,440 for a global system run by eugenicists and, and, and he 913 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,800 he's on record in interviews with Hitler's principal 914 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,200 Lieutenant in America, George Sylvester Berake, in 1933. 915 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,520 But but this can't be right because being Tesla, Tesla is 916 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,920 held up by by freedom advocates as, as being the man who's who's 917 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,520 fantastic inventions would have changed the world. 918 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,920 And he's, he's suppressed by the by the globalists, right? 919 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,800 It's a magic tricks people are getting do play a magic trick. 920 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,920 But yeah, no, it's actually a you know, it's a big part of my 921 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,120 book on Rosicrucian golem here. But. 922 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,400 And I tell a lot of the story about the interfacing of Tesla 923 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,560 and these technocrats and eugenicists as as part of a Big 924 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,000 Magic trick that is transgenerational in its 925 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,840 effects. The idea was not to necessarily 926 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,960 act upon the world that they were acting on, but to create a 927 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,760 narrative foundation that would obscure the source of real 928 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,080 discoveries that were attributed. 929 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,680 Misattributed to a Tesla as a cardboard synthetic sort of self 930 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,720 identified human atom ton. He didn't believe he had a soul. 931 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,080 He didn't believe that souls existed. 932 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,520 He believed that he was a machine that had been endowed by 933 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:28,240 special clairvoyant powers to see see things from the beyond. 934 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:31,240 So he had a a sort of mystical self identity that made him 935 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:33,520 perfectly pliable. And because he was very much 936 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,480 full of himself too, As was people like Isaac Newton and 937 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,240 other Rosicrucian affiliated pseudo scientists were marketed 938 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,240 to the world as being the great sources of the discoveries that 939 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:45,360 were actually made by real. The real engineers and 940 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,040 scientists who were being creative, but whose ideas had to 941 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,400 be stolen and repackaged and attributed to somebody right. 942 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,440 In this case, it was Tesla. For most of his ideas, you could 943 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,160 find them actually sourced by other other greater minds than 944 00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,760 he. But he had handlers. 945 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,680 He had managers. I mentioned here, George 946 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,760 Sylvester V Rake is as the guy who went to jail because he was 947 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,440 Hitler's top Lieutenant in America, working to spread Nazi 948 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,800 propaganda all across the United States with senators in Congress 949 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,640 that he was that were on his payroll. 950 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,360 And this is the guy who Tesla practically lived with and wrote 951 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,280 poems, weird, weird poems in homage to the greatness of the 952 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,600 Rake. The Rake is one of the first 953 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,000 people, if you read his writings in 1933, like exposing the 954 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,960 Federal Reserve, he sounds like Alex Jones. 955 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:36,560 He sounds like a type of Eustis Mullins conspiratorial Expo like 956 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,240 narratives that we here tend to encounter. 957 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,560 But the reason why is Eustis Mullins was the disciple of the 958 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,240 Rake. The Rake himself was a disciple 959 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,240 of of Crowley. They were doing black magic 960 00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:53,960 rituals in Long Island together openly and there's books that 961 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,520 have been written about their association. 962 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,160 So you got 1° of separation between Aleister Crowley, a 963 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,560 British agent, a British secret agent 666 in America organizing 964 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,480 to pull the USA into World War One. 965 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,240 He's still at it in World War 2, building up a whole network of a 966 00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:11,080 cult black magicians pushing fascism, which is also at the 967 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,720 heart of fascism in in Nazi Germany is a a black magician 968 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:17,960 class of Thula society, new template freaks trying to invoke 969 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,040 demons and usher in an age of Horus or an age of whatever Odin 970 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,080 for 1000 year millennial height. So you got these same networks 971 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,360 everywhere overlapping each other and you've got these 972 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,880 things like the blue shirts of Adrian Arkon working with the 973 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,640 social credit party, the so credit party. 974 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,320 Sorry, I'm just spewing out stuff here. 975 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,200 But anyway, the social credit party, they are the green 976 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,680 shirts. They actually have Braves and 977 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,440 they have a whole, you know, fascist inspired uniform system 978 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,760 called the green shirts. They're working with the Adrian 979 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,240 Arkon blue shirts. They're sometimes at battle with 980 00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:51,280 the black shirts of Oswald Mosley, but they're they're all 981 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,320 kind of like the the the the Technocracy Inc or the grey 982 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,440 shirts. They actually, well. 983 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,440 Well, but but look, the grandson of Oswald mostly is currently 984 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,680 head of Palantir UK. So again, we've got the 985 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,040 connections back into the technocracy once again. 986 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,600 So these, these people never stray far from the, you know, 987 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,080 they're never too far away, are they? 988 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,440 They're never too far away. They like keeping this in the 989 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:15,800 family. And I, I think you mentioned to 990 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,160 me the other day that you got the MI 6 director as well, whose 991 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,400 grandfather had some peculiar relationships in, in Ukraine in 992 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,320 the, in the World War Two period too, right? 993 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,600 Absolutely, absolutely. So we never have to go too far. 994 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,280 Look, look, you said you, you were just viewing stuff out 995 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,480 there. But actually this stuff is 996 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,800 really important to understand because because we are in a in a 997 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:42,400 world where we have these types of networks apparently at each 998 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:47,440 other's throats on steroids. And you know, how are we to just 999 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,720 to conclude this for today, because this this conversation 1000 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:53,760 needs to continue. But how, how, how, how do people 1001 00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:00,080 decipher or get a picture of, of modern events, of current events 1002 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,600 and, and the, the types of people that are, you know, 1003 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,240 appearing to be at each other's throats when in fact they're 1004 00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:07,960 working ultimately to the same agenda. 1005 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,440 How? How are people supposed to 1006 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,000 interpret what they're saying in front of them? 1007 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,040 I mean, I mean, I think if they're watching this show, 1008 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,920 they're already in a, in a pretty good place as far as 1009 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,240 progress to wrap their minds around things that they've been 1010 00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:25,440 told are unthinkable. No, we, we have to go to the the 1011 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,680 places that were being told are forbidden in this realm. 1012 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,840 So that's a good start. I, I think that what I've, what 1013 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,360 I've tried to do with my wife Cynthia is make a lot of these 1014 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,480 seemingly complex, but actually not super complex ideas as 1015 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:44,040 intelligible as possible through our books that we've published 1016 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,400 the, you know, we've done the The Clash of the two Americas 1017 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,560 book series. It's 4 volumes, The Untold 1018 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,920 History of Canada. I, I wrote that over the course 1019 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,840 of a decade. That's 4 volumes of 1020 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,600 reconstructions of Canadian history. 1021 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,440 They're all short too. They're not too long. 1022 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,680 And you know, our science and shackled books are Revenge of 1023 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,720 the mystery books, mystery cults, Cynthia's books on the 1024 00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:04,440 Black Sun. Any one of these could be a good 1025 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,920 entry point to begin. I I would not to toot my own 1026 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,080 horn. I I just think that that's why 1027 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,520 we did them. So you're you're asking? 1028 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,440 You're you're welcome to toot your own horn. 1029 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,640 I mean this is you know, this all helps. 1030 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,440 I, I just, yeah, I feel sometimes it's, it's maybe a bit 1031 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,920 presumptuous of me, but but I, you know, I, we also do a lot of 1032 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,120 documentaries and I, I think the thing to focus on is where did 1033 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:31,920 the oligarchy fail? Because the way a lot of the 1034 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,920 conspiratorial research is framed that is available and has 1035 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:40,680 become very popular, especially in the post COVID age, is to map 1036 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:45,160 out all of the all of the ways the oligarchy has gained power, 1037 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,240 enjoyed forever. Power has been evil doing evil. 1038 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,360 But there's very little focus on the times and moments in history 1039 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,800 where they've failed to succeed what they want to do. 1040 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,760 And I think that that for me has been one of the most important 1041 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,680 attitudes that I, I adopted early on is to obsessively try 1042 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,480 to focus on like discover where are those moments where the 1043 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,040 oligarchy tried to do something and we're prevented, we're 1044 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,160 blocked, we're, we're flanked by, by human beings thinking 1045 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,600 like human beings on a much higher creative. 1046 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,600 And I, I think a level of natural law that's in, in tune 1047 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,040 with God's law. I mentioned that the, the 1048 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,280 Chinese flank of the Han dynasty's invocation or not 1049 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,200 invocation, their, their creation of the new of the Silk 1050 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,600 Road of 2000 years ago was one of these fantastic ways of 1051 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,000 breaking free of its system of controls by a high priesthood 1052 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,520 that wants to keep people fighting and divided in and in 1053 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,840 ignorance. That was a great way of doing 1054 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,240 it. And it lasted for a while, but 1055 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,680 it was sabotaged eventually. There's different moments in 1056 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,320 history where I've tried to sort of 0 in and shed light on where 1057 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:53,160 did the the Crusades, which were supposed to have begun 200 years 1058 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,240 earlier than they did? How were they? 1059 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,000 How? How did greater greater minds, 1060 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,440 more dignified minds like those allies of Charlemagne and Al 1061 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,640 Quinn, who are part of the Carolingian world, work with 1062 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,520 their Muslim counterparts to create alliances and to create 1063 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,240 sharing of information with Jewish networks and Chinese 1064 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,120 networks as well. From the Tang dynasty, who were 1065 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,720 all able to collaborate to work together to create an idea that 1066 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,680 our self-interest and our destiny is much more in harmony 1067 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,640 than than at discord. And it's all tied to creating, 1068 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,440 you know, Renaissance movements. And so these things that gave 1069 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,920 rise to the American Revolution, the best of what Lincoln did, 1070 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,240 the the best of what we saw in the in, in why, why did Hitler 1071 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,280 lose World War 2 when all of these bankers were funding him 1072 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,920 and all of these occultists were backing his movement? 1073 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,600 Why did that not succeed when it was supposed to? 1074 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,840 Why did they abort that? So these types of that way of 1075 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,760 thinking I think is just more valuable than simply mapping out 1076 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,840 the evil alone. But it gives your people the 1077 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,200 strength to see, well, where are the weak kinks in this very 1078 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,880 intimidating looking armor of this parasitical ancient evil? 1079 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,240 So there are weaknesses. There are there are insecurities 1080 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:08,800 that it has that I think are being acted upon in an authentic 1081 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,800 manner. By, you know, many, many of 1082 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,880 those leading policy right now in China especially, but many of 1083 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,520 its allies are doing things that might be flawed. 1084 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,640 It's not the same. We didn't even talk about how 1085 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,400 the social credit is different from that social credit, which 1086 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,440 maybe that could be a future. Chat we yeah, we need to do that 1087 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,600 too. Yeah, absolutely. 1088 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,920 Yeah. But all I have to say, it's like 1089 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,160 this is the sort of thing that I think would empower people to 1090 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,560 understand, like what are the, the, the practicable options 1091 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,640 available, even if they are unlikely. 1092 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,120 Because we've wasted time, decades have been wasted in 1093 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,080 letting ourselves mentally and morally and physically entropy 1094 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,800 as as human, Western human civilization. 1095 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,800 We do that to ourselves. We allow that at least. 1096 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,880 I mean, you can say the oligarchy did it to us, but we 1097 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,840 allowed it as well. It happened with our consent. 1098 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,400 So, you know, it's more difficult than it would have 1099 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,440 been maybe when, you know, Bobby Kennedy was alive 60 years ago. 1100 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,240 But it's still practicable. We see that China has given us 1101 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:07,240 something to work with as far as a way of thinking about global 1102 01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,800 self-interest and avoiding avoiding wars and what have you. 1103 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,400 But we have to just, I think, get over our prejudices, be be 1104 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:18,400 more courageous in terms of thinking about what, what, what 1105 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,840 type of, of thoughts were capable of lifting like a gym. 1106 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,720 You know, we, we tend to want to stick with the easy thoughts 1107 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,720 that are, that are lighter, but those are actually useless and, 1108 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,760 and you know, in, in the long run going to kill us. 1109 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,800 And I think we have to just allow ourselves to, to, to press 1110 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,880 on the unknown a little bit more with more confidence in 1111 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,520 ourselves that we, that we understand that we can make the 1112 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,080 discoveries by leaning into the unknown and, and, and building 1113 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,000 on discovery after discovery to have real knowledge instead of 1114 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,200 something we've memorized from a persuasive influencer that we're 1115 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,360 listening to that gives us things we write down. 1116 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,200 But it's not really a power of changing things. 1117 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,040 It's power more of just knowing how screwed we are, which is 1118 01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,520 often what, what often, you know, we see in the in the echo 1119 01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,160 chambers of the Internet these days too, you know? 1120 01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,080 So that's my words of words of wisdom, as I, as I hope they 1121 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,480 are. OK, well, Matt, let's, let's 1122 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,600 leave it there because that's a great place to, to end for 1123 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,960 today. We've clearly got 22 programmes 1124 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,040 more to do at the very least the the social credit versus social 1125 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,800 credit conversation and also Gurdjieff because, because 1126 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,280 Gurdjieff, I think I'd I'd like to just to know a lot more 1127 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,680 about. And so we'll, we'll do that in 1128 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,080 the not too distant future. So look, thank you very much for 1129 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:29,680 joining us today and we'll keep you posted on, on any responses. 1130 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,520 There'll be information about how to find Matt's work in the 1131 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,800 show notes, of course, to do support if possible. 1132 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,760 And thanks everyone for watching. 1133 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,520 We'll be see you next time. Bye bye.