1 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,320 Good afternoon. It's just gone. 1:00 on 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,800 Wednesday the 13th of August 2025. 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,840 Welcome to UK column News. I'm your host, Charles Mallett. 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,840 I'm joined by a returned Mike Robinson. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,520 Welcome to the programme, Mike. Thank you. 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,720 And via live link we have Patrick Henningson and Sandy 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,400 Adams. So welcome to the programme 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,240 both. Now as always, a lot to fit into 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,280 the programme, but we'll be dealing with the issues relating 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,680 to the changes in the criminal justice system, looking at how 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,000 the sky is to become further infested with drones, all in the 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,320 name of progress of course. A further and detailed look at 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,560 the latest with regard to the Online Safety Act 2023, as well 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:54,000 as an update on the situation in Lebanon and following Friday's 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,760 news, the latest on the Putin, Trump will they won't they 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:04,760 situation as well as sources of funding for the wokery pervading 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,200 the country. In addition, we will look at the 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,000 push for vaccination for all animals everywhere, for 19 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,360 everything and indeed plans for another proposed gigafactory. 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,280 But what we're going to start with today is the latest 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,600 situation from Gaza and indeed the killing of several Al 22 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,600 Jazeera journalists by the IDF, for which we will go straight to 23 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,040 Patrick Henningsen. Patrick. 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,720 You know, this is a a very important story. 25 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,840 Certainly it's nothing new. We've been watching journalists 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,840 being killed in Gaza for the last almost going on two years 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,880 now. Won't be long till October 2025 28 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,440 rolls around. But just to look at the Al 29 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,560 Jazeera report, Taj on this, obviously they were talking 30 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,320 about their journalist, their media team members here, Anas Al 31 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,000 Sharif, very highly regarded award winning journalist was 32 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,000 killed as well as I think in total, technically 5 journalists 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,360 and two other people were in this strike. 34 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,280 They were in a tent set up outside Al Shifa Hospital, which 35 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,360 had already been bombed and occupied and attacked by the 36 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,920 Israelis numerous times since October 7th. 37 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,040 And this, there's something about this story that has really 38 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,200 captured, I think, the attention of people in the West, as public 39 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,760 opinion is already shifting against Israel, where the 40 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,840 Western mainstream is starting to acknowledge that there's 41 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,000 something going on here that is historic and needs to be brought 42 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,040 to an end as quickly as possible. 43 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,240 We're talking about the violence, the killing, and what 44 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,240 can only be described according to international courts of 45 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,840 justice and others, as a genocide. 46 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,920 But here's a video posted by Anise and his team just before, 47 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,200 you know, just hours or days before they were killed by the 48 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,440 Israelis in this strike. But we'll roll this video and 49 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:30,960 and listen to what he says the. It may have been an older video 50 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,760 previously around the time of the alleged short, short lived 51 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,840 ceasefire, but the they're clearly marked as press and and 52 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,560 what we're seeing in the reporting now, we'll show you 53 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,920 evidence to that effect that they were targeted. 54 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,560 And there were warnings from the committee to protect journalists 55 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,120 as well as from other organisations, including the U 56 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,280 NS own rapporteur on this particular issue. 57 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,600 So there were multiple Reporters Without Borders, other 58 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,120 organisations that the Israel, the Israelis were running a 59 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,040 smear campaign against Denise, branding him as Hamas, as a 60 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,840 Hamas journalist and so forth. So they're basically justifying 61 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,560 the killing of this journalist. Now let's look at the New York 62 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,480 Times coverage on this. And this is important to point 63 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,279 out how they frame this year. And if we look at what, what, 64 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,960 what to know about Al Jazeera, the broadcaster targeted by 65 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,040 Israel. And, and if we just look at the 66 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,440 author on this, and this isn't just in this case, this is 67 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,480 really for the New York Times across the board, Efrat Livni 68 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:38,280 for cut her teeth with the Jerusalem Report, an absolute 69 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:43,000 partisan on this issue and how she's framing it is, you know, 70 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,160 is, is basically Al Jazeera is having to defend themselves in 71 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,080 the opening paragraphs of this report. 72 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,920 Al Jazeera said the strike killed five of its journalists 73 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,240 and denied Israeli claims that its reporters have ties to 74 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,720 Hamas. And and she goes on to to 75 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,800 basically it's almost like has to make the case to defend. 76 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,080 Al Jazeera needs to vindicate itself and prove that it's not 77 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,600 these reporters aren't terrorists or affiliated with 78 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:09,840 terrorists. It's unbelievable. 79 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:12,440 And we'll show you what happens when you put the shoe on the 80 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,320 other foot. But here, here is the numbers. 81 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,040 And if you look at this, Israel's killing more 82 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,720 journalists than any time ever in history. 83 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,600 These are this is from Brown University, Ivy League school in 84 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,240 the United States. Look at all those wars first 85 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,800 from right, from the left hand side, World War One and two, I 86 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:36,000 think less than 100 journalists. Korean War in 1950 to 53 or you 87 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,480 know, less than 30. Vietnam slightly more, you know, 88 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,120 60-70 than Yugoslavia, a little bit less, 40 something. 89 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,960 Afghanistan up towards 70 you could say. 90 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,920 Ukraine minuscule, they're less, you know, less than 30. 91 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:58,520 And then we have Gaza 2023 to 2020, five, 238 plus that 92 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,200 doesn't count. Cameraman, in some cases, 93 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,680 drivers, people who are in support teams to the 94 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,880 journalists. And mind you, no Western 95 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,960 journalists are allowed to report in there. 96 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,880 So what's actually going on here? 97 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,800 Israel is preparing a ground invasion into Gaza. 98 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,720 They do not want anybody documenting what is about to 99 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,560 happen. But this has been the policy 100 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,480 straight through. They don't even let their own 101 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,760 journalists in there, by the way. 102 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,200 And so now they're killing all of the stringers that work for 103 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,440 global mainstream media as they have with UN workers and so 104 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,480 forth. So that that that seems to be 105 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,280 what the policy is here. Now, let's look at this piece by 106 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:39,160 Jonathan Cook. And this is just a stunning 107 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,080 piece of journalism by, by by Jonathan who who we've remarked 108 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,720 before, award winning journalist, OK, the BBC helped 109 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:52,000 kill Anas Al Sharif. It's reporting will kill more 110 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,960 journalists. And the point here, let's let's, 111 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,320 let's look at what's said here by the BBC, OK? 112 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,440 This is what they're saying they're positing in the report. 113 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,240 There's a question of proportionality says the beep is 114 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,280 just, is it justified to kill 5 journalists when you were only 115 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,360 targeting one? Think about that for a minute. 116 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,400 The way this is being framed is so insidious by the BBC. 117 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,640 And here's what Jonathan Cook says in his analysis. 118 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,200 This is just a brilliant article, by the way, and I 119 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,720 encourage everybody to go read it. 120 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,120 But he said, imagine that Israel finally allows Western 121 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,480 journalists into Gaza after blocking their entry for nearly 122 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,480 two years. A team of five familiar BBC 123 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:42,720 faces covering the region set up shop in Gaza and work out of an 124 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,160 improvised studio inside the enclave, like a tent at Al Shifa 125 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,520 hospital in this case. And he goes on. 126 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,560 And then news breaks that their studio had been hit by an 127 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:00,800 Israeli strike and all 5 killed. Jeremy Bowen, Lisa Doucette, 128 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:07,200 Yolande Nell, Lucy Williamson and John Donnison, the author of 129 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,560 this particular piece that Cook is critiquing. 130 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,960 Now just imagine the uproar. What would be the reaction from 131 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,040 the West? And here, here's what the 132 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,680 reaction would be. So is Jonathan Cook saying. 133 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,960 In short, the British government and a servile BBC that 134 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:30,400 regurgitates its positions have the blood of Al Sharif and 135 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,520 Gaza's other journalists directly on their hands. 136 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,159 They helped kill him, and in reporting his murder, they're 137 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:40,039 ensuring that more journalists in Gaza will be murdered in the 138 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:45,040 days, weeks and months to come. And the analysis goes on to just 139 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,960 show how insidious this terrorist label can be that's 140 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,080 just applied so arbitrarily by Israel and by extension by the 141 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,600 British and the US and European governments to basically justify 142 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,760 killing pretty much anybody that is insinuated as being connected 143 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,920 to Hamas. You have to remember Hamas is 144 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,840 the elected government. They're they're in charge of the 145 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,240 administration of Gaza from the beginning of this crisis. 146 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:13,560 So anybody that used to be a press officer for the Hamas 147 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:16,680 government prior to October 7th, OK. 148 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,640 It's and he makes the argument this would be no different if 149 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,760 Britain is implicated in war crimes in assisting Israel in 150 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,200 the genocide. Then all the BBC people that 151 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,040 work for a state broadcaster for a government that's simply 152 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,400 implicated in in a major war crime. 153 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,440 Then what are they at that point? 154 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,680 Are they terrorists as well? Or the BBC could, could somebody 155 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:39,000 say, well, they're, they're they're linked to the British 156 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,800 government there and British government's guilty of genocide 157 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,840 or a go. The journalists are, you know, 158 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,960 fair game. That's the argument Cook's 159 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,160 making. And it's quite a it's quite a 160 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,800 shocking and compelling argument. 161 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,560 And again, just just to go back to the article here, go to 162 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:56,720 Jonathan Cook's sub stack and do subscribe. 163 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,120 I'm a subscriber to Jonathan and, and, and read this. 164 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,360 This is just an amazing piece. He does amazing work. 165 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,440 But this is just something else. Now look at this, OK, this is 166 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,160 the national in Scotland, UK spy plane over Gaza as Israel killed 167 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,080 journalists. So the the implication here is, 168 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,440 is, is the UK government involved in their overflights 169 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,400 which take off from RAF Equatorial in Cyprus and then 170 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:28,240 supplying all the information and data over to Israel? 171 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:32,000 We know about the Lavender AI applications and how they're 172 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,160 used to track and target individuals, including 173 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,280 journalists. Is that what happened here? 174 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,960 Well, here's Matt Kennard and he's been reporting on this and 175 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,840 done excellent work on this particular subject here on X UK 176 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,520 government never wanted you to see this. 177 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:50,000 They spent 20 months concealing flight paths of RAF spy missions 178 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,960 over Gaza on behalf of Israel, but they recently contracted it 179 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,600 out to AUS company. The new pilot soon forgot to 180 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,000 turn off his transponder. The evidence for a war crimes 181 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,360 trial right here. And that's it folks. 182 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:12,320 I mean, there's enough evidence here to lodge a serious legal 183 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,960 challenge on this basis to all these governments, particularly 184 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:22,320 the US and the UK on this issue. And, and we, we've compiled a 185 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,400 lot of the documentation of this, including PDF documents 186 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,400 and so forth. So if you want a deep dive, go 187 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,800 to 21st century y.com and ask Al Sharif. 188 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:36,600 Unyielding voice for Palestinian justice will not be silenced. 189 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:38,760 And that's up there on our website. 190 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,800 So I do encourage people to go there for more details. 191 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,960 And, and I hope this is the, this is one of those stories 192 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,920 that's going to change people's attitudes on this who've been on 193 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,720 the fence on this issue. Let. 194 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,440 Let's hope so. Yeah, Patrick, thank you for 195 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,080 that. And I just want to briefly 196 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,720 demonstrate the sheer hypocrisy of the UK regime, particularly 197 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,280 if it as you suggest and as others are suggesting, they were 198 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,520 directly involved in this operation. 199 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:14,240 So let me just bring this on screen because when it was set 200 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,200 up by a previous, although sorry, it was set up by a 201 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,200 previous regime. Sorry. 202 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,760 Let's go back. The National Committees for the 203 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,680 Safety of Journalists, Sorry, I'm getting this wrong at the 204 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:26,920 moment. Let's here we go. 205 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,120 The National Committee for the Safety of Journalists, I should 206 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,480 say, still exists. It's currently headed up by Jess 207 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,400 Phillips MP, Minister for Safeguarding and Violence 208 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,480 against women and girls in the Home Office. 209 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,640 And yes, OK, I hear you all saying, but that's only for the 210 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,680 protection of UK journalists and there's a certain amount of 211 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:51,120 hypocrisy and that in itself. But if we head over here, you 212 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,800 got a sneak preview of it to the House of Lords Library. 213 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,880 We can talk about the Media Freedom Coalition, also set up 214 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:05,400 by the UK government. And it is a part of a group of 215 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:10,840 51 countries that the British regime LED, which advocates for 216 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,800 media freedom, the safety of journalists and holding, 217 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,680 specifically holding those who harm journalists to account. 218 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,480 So is the UK going to hold itself to account here? 219 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:22,920 I don't think so. Israel's not part of the media 220 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,440 freedom coalition as we might expect, but the UK is absolutely 221 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,000 still a member. So, Patrick, very briefly, I 222 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,440 mean, what are your thoughts on that? 223 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,480 Well, first of all, the Media Freedom Coalition, I think this 224 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,480 was promoted by at the Time Lord Ahmed from not mistaken a few 225 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,200 years ago, Amal Clooney. This is when Jeremy Hunt, I 226 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,080 believe, was the secretary at the time. 227 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,960 And they did this while Julian Assange was incarcerated in a in 228 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,120 a maximum security prison. Belmarsh, that one of the 229 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,160 world's most decorated journalists was being held 230 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,760 without any charge, basically without any legal due process 231 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,560 arbitrarily and eventually got out. 232 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,560 But that's when they launched that. 233 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,240 While they put as they locked up Assange, they launched the Media 234 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,160 Freedom campaign. And I spoke about that publicly 235 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,760 at the time and others did as well, just to point out the 236 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,840 sheer hypocrisy of it. Talk about a double standard. 237 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,280 It's not even worth commenting on. 238 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,160 So, I mean, you just have to look at the record of these 239 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,840 governments who are pushing these. 240 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,200 These are just public relations, you know, things to put out to 241 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,160 make it look like they're friendly to the press. 242 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,880 But in at the end of the day, when it comes to national 243 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,560 security and hardcore geopolitics, all this stuff goes 244 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,240 right out the window. Yeah. 245 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,280 And Charles, you know, anybody that's in the British media that 246 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,400 thinks that if they're abroad, they're in any way, so they're 247 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:49,800 any way safe. They're naive. 248 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,280 They are. Although I think another thing 249 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,640 that's worth pointing out, following on from what Jonathan 250 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,360 Cook's been saying, which is absolutely right to to bring out 251 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,320 is the incredible inconsistency with what was happening in 252 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,320 Syria. In particular, Jeremy Bowen's 253 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:06,240 sort of glad handing of Jelani Al Sharar, who of course until 254 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,600 that point was reckoned to be the head of a terrorist 255 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,120 organisation, yet the BBC were there actively promoting him. 256 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,880 So that the the inconsistencies and the hypocrisy just is, is 257 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,400 really boundless. But as you say, Patrick, one 258 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:19,640 would hope it would be a turning point. 259 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,360 But I mean, how many times we said that before? 260 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,280 Indeed. Yeah, now what we will do is 261 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,880 come back to these shores and look at the subject of Home 262 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,160 Affairs and the criminal justice system because the past couple 263 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,120 of weeks has seen a deluge of edicts, so called policy changes 264 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,360 and the obvious deployment of smokes and mirrors. 265 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,400 Consultation is out on updating the operations and response 266 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,240 guidance for police and it runs until the 14th of October. 267 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,360 And I thought I would just draw your attention to the fact that 268 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:53,080 it includes terrorist attacks, severe weather emergencies and 269 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,080 major public events where something has gone wrong. 270 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,280 Now, in an effort to deal with situations that might be 271 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,560 perceived to have gone wrong or are about to go wrong, the Home 272 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,320 Secretary has been busy announcing the roll out of 10 273 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,280 new vans for seven new police forces that are going to be 274 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,080 carrying out live facial recognition. 275 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,840 Now she talks about it like there's absolutely nothing wrong 276 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,360 with this and there are no consequences. 277 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,280 But of course there absolutely are. 278 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,760 It was been described in in the statement that they will operate 279 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,920 according to strict rules which ensure that they are only 280 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,200 deployed when there is specific intelligence and the College of 281 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,560 Policing has guidance on how the technology should be used. 282 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,600 I would put it that on the balance of probability, it's 283 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,080 very unlikely to turn out that way. 284 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,080 The College of Policing guidance on live facial recognition 285 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:48,120 states that each face that is found is mapped by software 286 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,360 taking measurements of facial features, such as the distance 287 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,120 between the eyes and the length of the jawline to create a 288 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,600 unique set of biometric data. So there's no ambiguity. 289 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,520 This absolutely does represent a harvesting of harvesting process 290 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,200 of metric data. Now at this point, therefore, I 291 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,119 would point you towards the Information Commissioner because 292 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,040 it is pointed out on his website that you may make a subject 293 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,960 access request and I quote the right of access alter also 294 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,560 entitles the requester to a copy of their personal information 295 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,560 when you use biometric recognition systems. 296 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,320 So this is the deployer of the facial recognition system. 297 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,040 This includes personal information such as a biometric 298 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,320 sample, as well as any biometric data such as a biometric 299 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,160 template. So the system I would say, as it 300 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,200 currently stands, would be unable to cope with a large 301 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,560 volume of subject access requests. 302 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,560 And there'll be a link to all of this in the show notes. 303 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,200 So I think from a journalistic perspective, UK could be very 304 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,640 interested in any reports that might come in of the way in 305 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,520 which subject access requests that you might put in concerning 306 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,640 live facial recognition are dealt with. 307 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,320 And this could be a considerable method by which the system can 308 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,840 be challenged. Now, on a very much related 309 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,600 note, there's been a change put forward by Ministry of Justice 310 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,240 and they're describing it as to restrict sex offenders from 311 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,000 entering geographical zones. Now this is in effect 312 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,400 geofencing, which is the process of monitoring an individual by 313 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,680 GPS to ensure that they do not move on the bounds of such an 314 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:27,840 area. But it seems from what they're 315 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,720 saying these areas could be made to be very small, which of 316 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,520 course conditions people into considering that justice has 317 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,640 never really been served. And I would say that it looks 318 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,360 like it's normalising confinement by these sorts of 319 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,280 remote systems. Linked again to this and tied 320 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,400 into the ever quoted plan for change is the much vaunted plan 321 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,760 to deport immediately. But This is why I refer to smoke 322 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:57,120 and mirrors because section 32 of the Border 2007 deals with 323 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,920 exactly this issue, deportation of foreign criminals. 324 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,840 And subsections four and five talk about the purpose of, for 325 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,280 the purpose of the Immigration Act 1971. 326 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,480 The deportation of a foreign criminal is conducive to the 327 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,520 public good and the Secretary of State must make a deportation 328 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,440 order in respect of a foreign criminal. 329 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,600 So this is something that's being dressed up as a new policy 330 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,440 or new bit of law. In fact, it's not. 331 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,840 It's a failure to act on the law that was already in place. 332 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:28,920 Now a statement also on deportation, pointing to what 333 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:33,320 the immigration white Paper will do, As though this really is a 334 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,240 silver bullet by Shabana Mahmoud. 335 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:41,560 And again, using disingenuous language every time as they've 336 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:42,760 sort of made it up in the 1st place. 337 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,200 But to harness or to continue to harness the emotive subject of 338 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,960 racial and ethnic tensions, the National Police Chiefs Council 339 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,880 have put out guidance saying that they're going to consider 340 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,600 disclosing the ethnicity and nationality of suspects when 341 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,880 they are charged in high profile and sensitive investigations. 342 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,960 Now this of course relates back to the events immediately after 343 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,200 the attacks in Southport last year, at which point it was 344 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,400 deemed that it could have been expedient to peace had the 345 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,560 police actually put details out in relation to ethnicity. 346 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,480 Of course, this is being misreported because we're only 347 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,400 talking about this happening at the point of charge, and indeed 348 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,800 police still retain control of. Decision making process that 349 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,960 there's every chance that it continue, it could continue to 350 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,400 be carried out in such a way that absolutely does fuel the 351 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,760 fire for what they're calling disinformation. 352 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:41,360 Now with Palestine Action arrests in mind, I've just draw 353 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,960 attention to the Crime and Policing Bill which is currently 354 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,240 going through Houses of Parliament now. 355 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,240 And section 10 of course talks about the offence of trespassing 356 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,000 with the intent to to conduct a criminal offence which would 357 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,520 carry a sentence, a maximum sentence of only three months. 358 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,760 Now, hypothetically speaking, had the Palestine Action Bryce 359 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,680 Norton activists been stopped short of painting the aircraft 360 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,200 that they did subsequently paint, they would not be a 361 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,480 prescribed organisation today. So I would say it presents an 362 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,280 obvious issue when considering the different outcomes and it 363 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,880 would look as though it would open the door to pressure on 364 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,520 police to allow an intended crime to go ahead because the 365 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,640 consequences would be more severe. 366 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,120 And just as a closing note, just to point you towards the what's 367 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:30,800 called the AI plan for justice. And here we have the issue of 368 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:35,440 pre crime absolutely writ large, which is saying that they're 369 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,160 going to be driving the responsible adoption of AI to 370 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,080 enable people to deliver world leading public services. 371 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,120 What they really mean is just handing over control of 372 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,480 absolutely everything to a computer and not experiencing 373 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,760 any comeback. They talk about a violent 374 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,160 predictor, analysing different factors. 375 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,280 This is concerning violence in prisons. 376 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,480 So in effect just handing all responsibility, all control to 377 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,280 the system and indeed it covers the wider justice system. 378 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,640 But of course, the main point to fall out of it is that whilst it 379 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,680 says that it's not going to take away from what judges do as 380 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,880 people and indeed cites several other bodies, prosecutors and 381 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,600 whatnot, It does not make any reference to juries, of course. 382 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:23,560 So I will wrap that up there. And now we are going to go to 383 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,120 Sandy on what might be perceived as a slightly related issue, 384 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:32,200 which is that of drones. Yes, it, it certainly is related 385 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,880 and also with facial recognition and GDPR and everything else 386 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,040 that goes with all the stuff you've been talking about. 387 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:45,840 Because Pricewaterhouse Cooper have published their 3.0 Skies 388 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:51,360 without limits. They they had a 2.0 in 2023 and 389 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,480 this paints a picture of drones that are ready to transform the 390 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,520 UK economy. Price for tyres Cooper aiming to 391 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:03,800 have 900,000 of the skies by 20-30. 392 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,880 I think they're behind, to be honest with their with their 393 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,120 predictions, but nevertheless, that's, that's their intention 394 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,160 and it's paving the way for unprecedented surveillance along 395 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,040 with it. So we, you know, it's powered by 396 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,520 advanced AI and it's quietly eroding our privacy protections. 397 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,840 The Civil Aviation Authority are making provision for this for 398 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,920 drone flight up to about 500 feet. 399 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,320 I think it's 4 to 500 feet. And Amazon have now got 400 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,720 contracts to do their deliveries with drones. 401 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,000 So that's going to knock out a whole load of delivery drivers 402 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,080 and jobs in the UK. And they say that this is going 403 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,520 to promote jobs. I, I can't see it somehow. 404 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,800 Price Waterhouse Cooper's latest study shows major break 405 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,240 breakthroughs. Drones are now flying beyond 406 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,600 visual of sight for many monitoring purposes. 407 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,080 Agricultural drones are spraying crops and mapping farmland and 408 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,680 promoting agrotech. And they're, they're being used 409 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,920 in, in surveying and all sorts of things, which I, you know, I 410 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,080 think there's a valid use for drones. 411 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,480 I'm not saying there isn't. But the, the, the issue is 412 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,680 there's a, it's the quantity of them and that they will be 413 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:22,280 surveilling us at the same time. So, you know, for industry, it 414 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,960 may be a, you know, progress, but for the people, it could be 415 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,280 a big red flag. Every one of these Jones can be 416 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,520 fitted with high resolution cameras, thermal sensors and 417 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,040 even facial AI recognition. Once that infrastructure's in 418 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,520 the air, it's only a matter of time before it's used to track 419 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,080 people, which I'm sure it will be. 420 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:47,760 And there's obviously the the GDDPR question, which is the U 421 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,960 KS main data protective law. It comes under pressure because 422 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,360 in theory GDPR says that you can't collect personal data 423 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:59,640 without consent or a clear legal basis. 424 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,960 But in practise, drones can gather all this information 425 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,200 without you even knowing what's going on. 426 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,760 So faces on a streetcar, number plates, movements linked to home 427 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,560 addresses. Combine that with AI and drones, 428 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,480 you know you, they see you and they can identify you and they 429 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,360 can predict your behaviour and cross reference you with other 430 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:26,880 databases. So, you know, the the AIG level 431 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,200 analysis drones become mobile data harvesters in effect. 432 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,640 So, you know, we've got there are issues here with the drones. 433 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,920 You know, it it reports and celebrates growing public 434 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,920 acceptance. This this paper does saying over 435 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,080 70% of industry stakeholders now see the perception as green. 436 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,520 But the more we normalise these drones it the easier it becomes 437 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,200 for governments and corporations to run permanent aerial 438 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,800 surveillance. That's the problem. 439 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,560 And I, I think that really, you know, we're not far from a, a 440 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,640 scenario where drones linked to AI command centres can track 441 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,880 individuals in, in real time. So the industry says drones can 442 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,920 deliver medicines faster, inspect power line safely and 443 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,600 monitor the environment more effectively. 444 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,840 But once, once it's all in place, they could become part of 445 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,640 an always on surveillance grid, which is really worrying. 446 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,960 So that's it really. They're, they're developing them 447 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,440 at breakneck spree speed. And before the drones make that 448 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,640 decision for us, you know, are we going to do something about 449 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,800 it? Thank. 450 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,720 You again subject access requests. 451 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,360 That seems to be a reasonable option for completely helping 452 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,160 deal with this. Yeah, if one can work out where 453 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,240 to direct them, of course. And I think the other, the other 454 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,040 thing to point out, which I referred to a few months ago was 455 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,560 if we're to be told about the threat of drain swarms on the 456 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,840 continent, how are we to perceive whether or not a drone 457 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,760 is friendly or a threat? And I think that might be coming 458 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:05,400 into play now whether or not you're a member of UK column. 459 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,920 I hope that you are making best use of the website, but if 460 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,400 you're not, we'll have a quick look at where you can go to find 461 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,360 out what you need. And indeed, at the top right of 462 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:16,680 the homepage is a search function, which I would 463 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,960 encourage you to use. I would also make sure that you 464 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,960 use the sections and indeed take a look at the comment because 465 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,240 there is absolutely enormous amounts of information there and 466 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,080 a great place to start whatever it is you might be researching. 467 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,680 If you are not yet a member, but then please consider joining us 468 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,520 on the front page is a great big button saying click here and 469 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,440 we'd love to have you on board as a monthly, a annual or indeed 470 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,040 a lifetime member. Now in terms of what's going out 471 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,120 in the near future, we've got Germ talking to Carl Zarr who 472 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:48,520 you will be familiar with. That's on at 7:00 this evening. 473 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,800 And then, Sandy, just a quick bit on Peter Taylor, who you've 474 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:57,120 just recorded an interview with. Yes, Peter Taylor was, he was 475 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,040 aun environmental scientist and he, he realised whilst he was 476 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,200 working for many, many years, he, he, he was in the ecology 477 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,040 movement. He realised that there was a 478 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,640 different agenda coming in and he realised that that climate 479 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,040 change was an issue and he wrote a book called Chill and he was 480 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,960 vilified for it. So it's his story really of, of 481 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,040 of what happened after he wrote the book. 482 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,280 Chill. Super. 483 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,240 Thank you very much. And that's going out at 1:00 484 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,960 tomorrow on the UK Column website. 485 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,880 Now coming up, we've got the Hope Freedom Festival, which UK 486 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,960 Column will be at. So please make sure you get 487 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,560 tickets there and use the discount code UKC 2 zero. 488 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,760 And then Patrick, very briefly on the Rebel tent this year. 489 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,000 Yeah, this is going to be a a powerful line up, a beautiful 490 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,120 days festival just outside Exeter. 491 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,200 That's this weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. 492 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,440 And Craig Murray, David Miller, myself moderating some of the 493 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,760 panels, Matt Canner, Yard Loki, Chris Williamson, ASA Winstanley 494 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,800 and of course Jackie Walker and Zara Sultana from the new 495 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,600 political party with Jeremy Corbyn. 496 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,640 So it's going to be amazing Rebel Tent this year at 497 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,000 Beautiful Days. So if anybody's going to be at 498 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,840 the festival, of which they'll be many, come up on the top of 499 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,880 the hill and check us out. And if there's any tickets left, 500 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,320 just get in touch with their website and see if there's any 501 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,560 availability. But should be pretty powerful. 502 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,000 Fantastic. Thanks Patrick. 503 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,480 So do get along to that if you can. 504 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,920 And then a reminder that our the first speaker we've announced is 505 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,400 Andrew Wakefield for our on location event in York Saturday 506 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,680 the 18th of October. There are tickets left, so 507 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,760 please don't delay, but also remember that you will have the 508 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600 access to the pro the film, Andrew Wakefield's film Protocol 509 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,920 7. Should you buy a ticket, There 510 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,680 are only 150 tickets left for the in person event, but plenty 511 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,480 obviously on the live stream. So please make sure that you do 512 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,160 consider joining us for that. We'd we'd absolutely love to see 513 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,000 you and it will be a phenomenal event. 514 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,160 Now I said that we're going to be looking at online safety, so 515 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,400 I'm going to hand over to Mike for the latest on that and 516 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,800 indeed the ACT concerning it. Thank you, Charles Wright. 517 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:10,280 So on the 22nd and 23rd of July, the High Court in London heard a 518 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,400 legal challenge brought by the Wikimedia Foundation against the 519 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,160 Categorisation Regulation of regulations of the Online Safety 520 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,200 Act. Now the Wikimedia Foundation 521 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,000 says it shares the UK government's commitment to 522 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,520 promoting online environments where everyone can safely 523 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,720 participate. But they're complaining that 524 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,600 that the fact that they are likely to be made a so called 525 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,360 category one organisation under the ACT and that would quote 526 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,600 undermine the privacy and safety of Wikipedia's volunteer 527 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,840 contributors, expose the encyclopaedia to manipulation 528 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,880 and vandalism, and divert essential resources from 529 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,640 protecting people and improving Wikipedia. 530 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,280 For example, they say, the Foundation would be required to 531 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,600 verify the identity of many Wikipedia contributors, 532 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,440 undermining the privacy that is central to keeping Wikipedia 533 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,640 volunteers safe. In addition to being able to 534 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,880 accept being exceptionally burdensome. 535 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,560 Burdensome. This requirement, which requires 536 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,320 just one of several category One demands that would expose 537 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,880 contributors to data breaches, stalking, lawsuits, or even 538 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,960 imprisonment by authoritarian regimes. 539 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,160 So in other words, they're not happy that the age verification 540 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,440 requirements would expose the identity of Phillip Cross. 541 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,920 Perhaps, and I want to be clear here, as much as I believe that 542 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,640 Wikipedia is completely compromised and is as far from 543 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,400 an objective as it can get, they are correct to raise these 544 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,960 concerns. And I would very much like to 545 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,400 know the identity of Philip Cross as much as anyone else 546 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,120 who's been on the receiving end of his propaganda. 547 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,160 But they were absolutely correct to take this to court. 548 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,640 So I'm certain that everyone, or sorry, I'll rephrase that, I'm 549 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,280 certain that very few will be surprised that on Monday this 550 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:06,000 week, the High Court dismissed the Wikimedia Foundation's court 551 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,760 case. And but not without caveats, 552 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,760 because according to the statement from the Wikimedia 553 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,800 Front Foundation, the judge recognised the significant value 554 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,240 of Wikipedia as safety. It's safety for users, as well 555 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,800 as the damages that wrongly assigned Online Safety Act 556 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,320 categorizations and duties would have on the human rights of 557 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,160 Wikipedia's volunteer contributors, they say. 558 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,520 The court stressed. They say that it does not give 559 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,000 Ofcom the step the and the Secretary of State a green green 560 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,160 light to implement a regime that would significantly impede 561 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,440 Wikipedia's operations. And they said that they could 562 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,960 face legal repercussions if they fail to protect Wikipedia and 563 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,200 the rights of its users. In order to achieve that 564 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,880 outcome, the judge suggested that Ofcom may need to find 565 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,040 particularly flexible interpretation of the rules in 566 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,960 question, or that the rules themselves may need amendment in 567 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,120 Parliament. Now, we should know that the 568 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,040 first category categorization decisions from Ofcom are 569 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,840 expected later in the summer. So this is not a done deal yet, 570 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,600 and perhaps this court case will still have an effect on that 571 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,400 decision. But of course, the justification 572 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,680 for all this is keeping children safe. 573 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,520 This is a lie which gov.uk repeats for everything that it's 574 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,680 doing. And my question then is why are 575 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,760 they talking about this approach when the bigger risk to children 576 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,760 is adults accessing sites and children and those adults posing 577 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,960 as children themselves? Just to reinforce this, the 578 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,800 National Crime Agency estimates that there are between 550,000 579 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,960 and 850,000 people in the UK who pose a sexual risk to children 580 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,800 as of 2024. And so I want to then highlight 581 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,080 the US based National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children 582 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,400 because they have recently published their latest cyber tip 583 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:14,520 line report covering up to 2024. And they noted that last year 584 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,040 they received 400, sorry, 546,000 reports from tech firms 585 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,560 of adults across the world soliciting children. 586 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,440 That's a 192% increase from 2023. 587 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,320 And I think that's probably more to do with the fact that these 588 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,880 are being reported much more often more than anything else. 589 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,320 And it's probably the tip of the iceberg. 590 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:40,360 Now around 9600 of these reports came from the UK in the first 591 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,120 six months of 2024 with Snap Snapchat reporting far more 592 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,760 concerning material to this organisation than the other 593 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,639 platforms. And this is, as I say, the tip 594 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,800 of an iceberg since it's this is only covering incidents that are 595 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,120 reported and not incident incidences that have gone past 596 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,120 being unreported. And yet Ofcom apparently doesn't 597 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,960 see this as an urgent priority. And in a statement to me from 598 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,400 Ofcom, their media team explained that quotes the use of 599 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,760 age assurance should also make it harder for adults to pose as 600 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,880 children, given age cheques must be highly effective at 601 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,640 determining whether a user is an adult or a child. 602 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,600 That's disingenuous because later on in the same statement, 603 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,200 they go on to say our approach to highly effective age 604 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,840 assurance is that services should treat users as a child 605 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,520 and apply the the default protections unless they've gone 606 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,680 through an age check and been determined to be over 18. 607 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,160 And I mean, I shouldn't be the only one that sees disparity 608 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,400 here. All of Ofcom's rhetoric on this, 609 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,200 including at the recent age assurance live event, which they 610 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,240 ran, is about verifying that people are over 18, not under. 611 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,280 And they claim so. They're suggesting that in doing 612 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,520 that they can protect children that are under 18. 613 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,960 It doesn't work that way because mostly platforms are checking 614 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,160 for being over 18. They're not checking people that 615 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,440 are are supposedly under 18 and they're not asking people on 616 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,320 child oriented websites. They're not asking children to 617 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,840 verify their age that they are under 18. 618 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,000 That's not part of the the current programme. 619 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,400 So anyway, they claim to have anti grooming measures in place 620 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:25,920 and but as the NCMEC report demonstrated, if those measures 621 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,720 exist at all, they're highly ineffective. 622 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,840 But don't worry, Ofcom is quotes currently consulting on further 623 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,040 strengthening these anti grooming measures by proposing 624 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,200 that platforms should you just reuse robust AIDS cheques to 625 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,800 underpin measures they take to protect children from grooming. 626 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,440 End Quote. So I'm just going to say it 627 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,800 again, the Online Safety Act, the entire regime needs to be 628 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,280 repealed and Ofcom needs to be disbanded. 629 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:57,840 And we're glad to see that the petition is now up to 518,656 as 630 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,280 of 10:00 this morning. It's slowing down, but we did. 631 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,920 We need to keep the momentum up in this. 632 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,200 The whole issue needs to go back to Square 1A. 633 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,680 New conversation needs to happen, Charles, around this 634 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,520 whole censorship industrial complex, which has been built. 635 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,160 And then just to end this segment, Speaking of digital ID, 636 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,120 because that's basically what we've been speaking about, 637 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,520 Companies House, which hasn't given a damn about the accuracy 638 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,480 of their database records in the last 180 years, has suddenly 639 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,840 decided to demand ID verification for all company 640 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,440 directors. And Charles, my question is, why 641 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,680 now? Quite. 642 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,520 Yeah. Well, I mean, you know the 643 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,040 question that can be applied to absolutely all these things that 644 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,760 are demanding similar. It's absolutely nothing to do 645 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,400 with the requirement for company directors, that's for sure. 646 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,320 But no, I think I mean, very good point there with the 647 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,880 specifically with regard to the, you know, all the organisations 648 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,440 that are affected by the Online Safety Act and Wikipedia in 649 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,360 particular 91 comes to mind. And there's just this absolute 650 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,560 failure for people to recognise that it does actually present a 651 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,840 threat to everybody, regardless of your position on the 652 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,200 spectrum. Let's say now something we'll 653 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,920 talk about an extra I'm sure Patrick, we said that we would 654 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,040 give an update on the situation in Lebanon and we'll we'll go to 655 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,080 you now for your, your take on the latest there. 656 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,360 Sure. And we, what we believe is just 657 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,960 from what's been happening politically, Lebanon is on the 658 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:30,800 cusp of exploding and right now tremendous threat of a civil war 659 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,040 breaking out. And I say civil war in sort of 660 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,840 quotes because the last protracted civil war, so called 661 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,680 civil war in Lebanon was really orchestrated by external powers, 662 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,160 namely the United States and Israel. 663 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,480 And so I think we can more or less expect the same thing here. 664 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,720 What you need to understand about this is that the US is, is 665 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,360 trying to pose a Hobson's choice to Lebanon that it's, it's 666 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,880 either disarm Hezbollah, OK, And obviously they're doing this on 667 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,080 the behest of Israel or face a bloody civil war. 668 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,560 So those are the two choices that the US is trying to through 669 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,760 their operatives in in government and so forth and with 670 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,320 all of their diplomatic power. So that's, that's what's 671 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,960 happening. And The Who, who will take 672 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,200 advantage of of this situation. Jolani regime in Syria are 673 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,920 poised to move into the north of Lebanon. 674 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,240 And then we have Israel poised to perhaps, you know, do a 675 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:36,240 scorched earth campaign in South Lebanon and invade again and 676 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:37,560 look at what they've done to Gaza. 677 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,080 So you can imagine any threats of Hezbollah in this 678 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,280 neighbourhood or that village or whatever and you and they would 679 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,040 have full justification to bomb it into the stone ages. 680 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,880 And so you could have a repeat of the previous Lebanese quote, 681 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,600 civil war. But this would be a much more 682 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,640 violent and much more intense. And the United States has just 683 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,680 built a fortress on the hill north of Beirut, an embassy the 684 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,600 likes of which no one has ever seen before. 685 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:04,360 And why have they done that? Why? 686 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,200 Why is that facility in place? It's right in a pro American 687 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,680 stronghold north of Beirut. So they that's their fall back 688 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:16,200 plan is a civil war in Lebanon. And by doing that to end any 689 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,160 armed resistance in the vicinity of Israel. 690 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,360 So just wanted to point that out now that the the brainchild 691 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,200 behind this the the emissary agree, if you will, from 692 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,600 Washington is Tom Barack. He was originally appointed as 693 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,200 ambassador to Turkey, but he's really the kind of wit cough 694 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,640 with a brain in in the background, but very nefarious. 695 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,320 He is of of Lebanese background, we're told. 696 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,080 But what he is trying to orchestrate here is so 697 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,920 insidious. So I mean, do keep an eye on 698 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,200 this situation. There's more to be said, of 699 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,400 course, with more time, perhaps another programme. 700 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,240 Patrick, just very briefly, I mean, do you see this being run 701 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:58,840 in a similar way that the so called civil war in Syria was? 702 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,600 Very different, very different. The the factions are much more 703 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,400 hardened. You know, after the last civil 704 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,560 war. What you have is a collection of 705 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,080 warlords that have their own sort of fiefdoms, the Lebanese 706 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,840 Forces, Christian Marianites, the Amal Hezbollah and all these 707 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,920 different groups have have have kind of the Druze have a kind of 708 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,680 power sharing agreement where the central government's very 709 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,840 weak in Lebanon as a result. And so you will see in more 710 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,320 intense sectarian fighting, but you'll have a more, much more 711 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,560 intense military strikes by Israel. 712 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,240 The United States will be involved militarily as well. 713 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,720 And then Jolani and the Wahhabist Wahhabis moving in to 714 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,320 Lebanon in the north. I mean, they really want to set 715 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,520 people against each other along Sunni, Shiite and Christian 716 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,480 lines, pro US, anti US, pro Israeli, anti Israeli. 717 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,640 So it, it, it has the potential to be really, really a, a 718 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,280 bloodbath. And but it it is may take a 719 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,720 while to percolate 6 to 6 to 12 months even. 720 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,880 But the odds of Hezbollah disarming, I'm not sure if they 721 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,200 want to after seeing what's happened when other people have 722 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,920 disarmed or after what happened to Syria. 723 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,520 As you say, Mike, in that sense, it would be similar. 724 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,680 They, they took out all of Syria's military installations 725 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,560 in 72 hours when Jelani took over in Damascus in December of 726 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,720 2024. So what, what? 727 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:27,640 What would save the Hezbollah in South Lebanon from the wrath of 728 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,840 Israel in the US if they disarmed? 729 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,840 Nobody would. Or the wrath of Jelani and his 730 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,960 Wahhabi ISIS. You know, brigades coming over 731 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,640 the border, nothing to save them from a massacre. 732 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,160 So. Yeah. 733 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,440 Thanks, Patrick. Again, of course, the United 734 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,800 States and Russia very much implicated throughout with 735 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,760 everything you're referring to in Syria. 736 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,000 And you were talking about Trump and Putin with regard to Ukraine 737 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,840 on Friday. What's the update on that? 738 00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:00,680 Well, the big meeting supposedly on Friday and what, what you 739 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,880 need to pay attention to here is the fact that while this is 740 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,920 gaining headlines, OK, what what has actually changed where, 741 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,840 where, what, what, what new policies have the US 742 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,880 articulated? Have you heard anything from the 743 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,360 Trump administration? Anything new, any better insight 744 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,080 or understanding of this issue, the causes of the conflict? 745 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,600 You hear nothing. So I, I think you can expect 746 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,320 that there's going to be no breakthroughs. 747 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,280 Russia doesn't doesn't have to make any concessions. 748 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,760 I don't believe they will. the United States has no leverage. 749 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,320 So the US is buying time. The question is, what are they 750 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,120 buying time for? Another sneak attack, perhaps 751 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,800 like with the Istanbul negotiations just a few months 752 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,760 ago, a sneak attack that came and, and Trump can't guarantee 753 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,360 he can't guarantee Zelensky is going to sign on to any deal and 754 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,520 the hard right in Ukraine. He can't guarantee the Europeans 755 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,920 are going to abide by any agreements, even in principle, 756 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,280 nor the UK, the UK and Europe, they, they have other plans for 757 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,960 Ukraine. So does the Lenski. 758 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,400 They want to keep this conflict going, that's clear. 759 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,920 So what's going to be achieved in Alaska? 760 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,480 My prediction is very little, But what's Russia doing? 761 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:19,080 Russia is potentially playing the US in their by their own 762 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,320 game, in a game of chess that Trump may very well find himself 763 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,520 checkmated by default because Russia is in the ascendancy 764 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,960 militarily on the ground. They're making advances and they 765 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,440 could easily throw the Ukrainian political situation into chaos 766 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,280 by playing along with this Trump gambit. 767 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,240 And so Trump might think he's getting something out of this, 768 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,880 some movement towards, you know, better ratings for resolving 769 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,960 Ukrainian conflict. But Russia could very well be 770 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,800 sending the Ukrainian and the the US political position into a 771 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,800 tailspin here, and we'll be there to mop up the mess the way 772 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,760 that they see fit. So we'll see what happens. 773 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,360 Thanks very much, Patrick, and we'll see how that plays out. 774 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,680 Jane, also very much worth pointing out, there can be no 775 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,000 guarantees, no switching subject. 776 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,120 You're all you're able to bring to mind whether you're listening 777 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,840 or watching various woke policies. 778 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,200 But the persistent question is where does the funding come 779 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,200 from? And Sandy is going to be dealing 780 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,600 with some of this, I know. Thank you. 781 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,920 Thank you, Charles. Yes, I mean, I've been looking 782 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,000 into this as, as have others and I'll mention them later on 783 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,760 because they have to be credited for some of this research. 784 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:40,560 But it would seem that the, the UK, our taxpayer is funding some 785 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,800 of some of the woke NGOs and charities that are, that are, 786 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,360 are, are, are literally, I mean, I, you know, I'm looking at it 787 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,080 as ideological subversion. I mean, it's, you can't describe 788 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,840 it as anything less. So one of the main NGOs in this 789 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,480 is, is the UK Research and Innovation. 790 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,400 And underneath them are nine other NGOs and charities that, 791 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,760 that, that they feed into and, and are receiving government 792 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,560 funding and charitable funding. But it's all a little bit 793 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,480 woolly. We know that it is is taxpayer 794 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,800 funding but and, and, and how much is is charitable funding 795 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,280 we're not sure, but certainly things like the Arts Council of 796 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,680 England and Soho Theatre. The funding level of the Arts 797 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:34,200 Council England distributes around 445,000,000 a year with 798 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:40,160 Soho Theatre receiving 2 million and they they put on theatre 799 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,920 performances like 52 monologues for young transsexuals and it 800 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,200 shows them urging the audience members to check their privilege 801 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:54,680 at the door. As you know this is this is 802 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,840 quite controversial really. And then you've got to academic 803 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:03,000 and cultural research 811,000 for a study on the 804 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,600 sustainability of Romany gypsy lifestyle. 1.5 million for 805 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,840 research into white centricity of folk music, multiple other 806 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,400 grants such as coloniality studies and feminist rituals, 807 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,760 witches casting spells and porcelain as a critique of white 808 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,040 supremacy. Those are all flagged for 809 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,760 taxpayer funding. And, you know, we've, we've got 810 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,040 to, to look at this and, and I've got a, a slide here of the 811 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,920 direct, you know, it's, it's diverse Diversity, equity and 812 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,360 inclusion, of course, is all part of the mix. 813 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,200 And they've got these sort of memes of, of how they, how they 814 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,080 feel that, you know, they need to promote all this stuff and 815 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,240 it's very niche. I mean, I'm, I'm going to go 816 00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:52,280 into how niche it is and it gets very, very niche, I can assure 817 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,080 you. Now we're looking at the, the, 818 00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,040 this one, which is the gay porn. It's the Europe that gay porn 819 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:06,960 built 1945 to 2000. Now this man, he's he, he's got 820 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,360 a research project. He received funding from the 821 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,640 Arts and Arts and Humanities Research Council, which is under 822 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:20,720 the UK Research Council and he he got funding for eight nearly 823 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:25,120 nearly 1,000,000. It's 841,830 lbs. 824 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,160 And he says I'm a queer cultural theorist of of the body. 825 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,600 My research draws from queer studies and media studies, 826 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,240 visual culture and cultural studies to investigate the ways 827 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:42,240 in which the queer body has been produced, policed and contested 828 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,920 as political, political site of creative and effective sexual 829 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,400 world making in modern and contemporary cultures. 830 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,160 Now, if that isn't a bit of a word salad, I don't know what 831 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,080 is, but he received a heck of a lot of money to go and and study 832 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,560 this in in Holland. He's currently the honorary 833 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,640 professor in Art History and Visual Culture at the University 834 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,560 of Exeter and Professor of Gender Studies and chair of Sex, 835 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,840 Media and Sex Cultures at Lingnoping University in Sweden. 836 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,480 And his monograph is Bareback porn, Porous masculinities, 837 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:25,280 Queer futures, and the Ethics of gay pig, gay pig masculinities, 838 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,240 whatever that is, I've no idea and I don't really want to know, 839 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:33,480 to be honest. So all of this is, is, is, is 840 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,800 coming out of, of, of funding. And do the British taxpayers 841 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,440 know about this? And would they agree with it if 842 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,160 they did? And they've got things like 843 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,680 pregnant men and international exploration of trans male. 844 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,840 This academic project, listed via the UK's Research councils, 845 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,800 explores how laws and policies affect the health and needs and 846 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,760 experiences of trans men, especially around pregnancy, 847 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,600 healthcare interactions and reproductive decisions. 848 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,800 So we're looking at a lot of money here that's, that's 849 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,480 sloshing around. And those, those NGOs that are 850 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,880 underneath the UK Research Institute, apparently it's about 851 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:22,480 900,000 of them. You know, 900 million is, is, is 852 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,560 going into these projects now. We've also got the Galatea, the 853 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,440 Galatea Theatre production, which was John Lily's play in 854 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:39,720 LBGTQ focus performance, which was again, it was a council 855 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:44,680 funded, Arts Council funded project, the Diversalariums and 856 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,840 it's centering on marginalised communities in the contemporary 857 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:53,600 performance of early modern plays, focusing on Shakespeare 858 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,960 being a little bit too white and well not they said pale and 859 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,880 male, I think they called it. And this is what the Emma 860 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,720 Franklin who is the she was the director of Galatea. 861 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,080 She says as LBGTQ people, our histories are often erased or 862 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,120 confounded to fit the narrative of sif sis normalised 863 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,760 patriarchal society. A play like Galatea should 864 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,160 radically alter our attitude towards queer identity today. 865 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:28,000 Now you know, this isn't, you know, this isn't designed to to 866 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:33,240 trans bash or gay bash, but we have to look at how niche this 867 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,880 is and how how much people would actually agree to all this. 868 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,920 Now, somebody who's doing a lot of research into this is a lady 869 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,800 called Charlotte Gill. Now I'm going to to to mention 870 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,320 her because she has done a big deep dive into it. 871 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,800 Do go to her sub SEC and support her. 872 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,560 She's and she says there's lots of them, but they're the main 873 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:56,240 the charities and the main drivers of open borders. 874 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,760 There's lots of them and they're incestuous and self 875 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,840 perpetuating. Private and state funds are 876 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,520 problems. Some charities end up directly 877 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,280 receiving taxpayer funding, EG being funded by taxpayer funded 878 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,360 charities. It's a racket and I think this 879 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:17,480 really doesn't deserve scrutiny. And we've got also another, 880 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:23,520 another sub stacker is Lewis Blackpool and he's doing a big 881 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,840 deep dive. He's done lots of fo is into, 882 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,640 into things like the Paul Hamlin Foundation, which is a, which is 883 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,560 a taxpayer funding. And they, they sort of mingle 884 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,160 with hope not hate. And he's put in loads of FO is 885 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:45,080 into who is funding the, the, the, the Home Office bringing in 886 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,520 of, of migrants. And I think that's really worth 887 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,880 looking at. He's, he's doing a lot of work 888 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,160 and I'd like to cite him as well because he's spending a lot of 889 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,560 time doing that. And, and he's looked and he's 890 00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,280 found all these different, if we take get the next slide, yeah, 891 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,400 he's found, I think it's about 14 different charities that are 892 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:10,760 funding the the whole migration project and they all need 893 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,120 scrutinising and looking at. Yeah, um, and yes, we're, we're 894 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,120 looking at the, the UN refugee agency, the migrant help and 895 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,120 cities of sanctuary. And I'm not saying that migrants 896 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,720 shouldn't get help, they should. But at the moment it's volume 897 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,240 and, and, and speed that's coming through. 898 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,640 And we have to look at the, the, this ideological subversion 899 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:39,800 that's going on because they, they all both UKRI and sanctuary 900 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,240 cities. Look, they use our theory of 901 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:47,600 change and it, they, it's a change agent sort of model. 902 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,600 And what I really would like to, to, to link it up to is the fact 903 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,440 that, you know, it, this all goes back to the Frankfurt 904 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,120 School and the Jewish intellectuals who made the 19, 905 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,880 you know, made the 1960s. And I'd like to quote Yuri 906 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,080 Besnamanov, who was the most amazing guy. 907 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,800 I don't think he's, he's not alive anymore. 908 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,920 But anyway, he was a he was a former KGB spy, but he spoke 909 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,840 lots of words of wisdom and also warning. 910 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,320 Ideological subversions are a process which is legitimate, 911 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,080 open and overt. If I could have that up game, 912 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:31,120 that slide. Because, yeah, it takes 15 to 20 913 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,520 years to demoralise a nation. The important thing is to keep 914 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,000 them in a state of ignorance. Once society is demoralised, 915 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,240 facts no longer matter to them. And I have to agree with him. 916 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:45,200 And, you know, are we paying for for our own demise? 917 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,640 And I think it needs scrutiny, definitely. 918 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,440 Absolutely. Right, Sandy, it does. 919 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:51,320 And thank you very much for that. 920 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,480 Patrick, if I may just invite you to comment quickly, 921 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,360 particularly given the remarks of Yuri Besmanov quoted there. 922 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,880 Well, I mean, it's that's a famous viral video that he did 923 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,400 on television in the 19 early 1980s. 924 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,320 I think like that. I think it's important to point 925 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,320 out Yuri Besmanov also worked. He did anti Soviet propaganda 926 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,120 for the CIA. So you also have to look at it 927 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,120 in that context is what he said. You know, it, it's been 928 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:24,320 repurposed in today's, you know, I guess alternative media Meilu 929 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,920 as anti globalist or something like that. 930 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:31,080 But what he did the work he did with the Canadian government via 931 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,240 the CIA and for the CIA, the CIA exfiltrated him by the way, from 932 00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:37,960 the Soviet Union as a quote defector. 933 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,720 But he did a lot of things for America in this sort of service 934 00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:44,880 of propaganda. That's that was more or less his 935 00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,920 career function for a long time, as well as being a a member of 936 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,720 the John Birch Society. So and just pointing that out 937 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:57,320 just to contextualise him and you know the statements he's 938 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,200 making at the time. Thanks, Patrick. 939 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,280 Yeah, point very much worth making and also if if anyone 940 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,040 hasn't seen any of the the interview that President of did 941 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,680 give, it's widely available on all the video platforms. 942 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,200 So do do look that up. Now I'm sticking with the theme 943 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,880 of investment and how it coincides with fear. 944 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,240 I am going to talk a little bit about Blue Tongue, about which 945 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:21,400 there are increasing amounts coming from the Animal Plant 946 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,960 Health Agency and Defra. And particularly they've just 947 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,480 sent out an email to their stakeholders talking about 948 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,320 important changes to the restrictions in place in Wales. 949 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:35,560 Now specifically this is talking about vaccinated animals with 950 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:40,080 the BTV 3 serotype having been able, or at least granted the 951 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,120 ability to attend English markets within 20 kilometres of 952 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,000 the Welsh order. They're also keen to point out 953 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,960 that, quote, contrary to popular belief, where animals test 954 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,560 positive for BTV 3, neither the premises or the animal are put 955 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,440 under restrictions, so keepers are urged to report suspicion 956 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,040 immediately. I'll go on to explain why I 957 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,600 think that is. Now the the narrative is tightly 958 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,840 controlled when it comes to the emergence of disease and indeed 959 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,760 the government have just republished the guidance on how 960 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,640 infected infections emerge, giving you absolutely no room to 961 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,200 doubt that between 60 and 80% of emerging infections are derived 962 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,160 from animal sources. We must fear the animals and 963 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,800 that these infections have been emerging for thousands of years 964 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,720 as interactions between humans, animals and their environments 965 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,920 have increased and change. So bear that in mind. 966 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,280 Also bear that in mind when considering the Perbrite 967 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,080 Institute, which of course is where an awful lot of this leads 968 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,760 back to and it's very close relationship with not just the 969 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,400 Animal and Plant Health Agency, but as shown on screen, the Bill 970 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,640 and Melinda Gates Foundation. And I will just walk you through 971 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,880 the steps for investment yielding dividends. 972 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,200 We see here from the Perbrite Institute that they've had a 973 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,360 vaccine, veterinary vaccine, innovation and manufacturing to 974 00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,400 improve animal health. Now, what they're really talking 975 00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,920 about is being supported by the Gates Foundation. 976 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:05,240 This goes back to 2023. And to make it absolutely clear 977 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,160 how the corruption in this particular story runs, we're 978 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,280 just going to listen to a clip of Bill Gates speaking about 979 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,720 this. I have played it before but it's 980 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,360 always worth a listen. Invested $10 billion in 981 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,520 vaccinations over the last two decades and you figured out the 982 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,560 return on investment for that, And it kind of stunned me. 983 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:22,640 Can you walk us through the math? 984 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,320 Well, it's pretty. Impressive that when you take 985 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:31,120 these vaccines, get them to be very inexpensive by making big 986 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,160 volume commitments. Have that right relationship 987 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,440 with the private sector. Get the delivery system. 988 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,640 So they're really getting the coverage out there. 989 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,200 You literally saved millions of lives. 990 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,480 And 20 years ago when we created these new multilateral 991 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:50,600 organisations, Gabi for the vaccines, Global Fund for HIV, 992 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,280 TB and Malaria, we didn't know they'd be successful. 993 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,720 They've gone through lots of challenges about making sure the 994 00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,080 money gets there, making sure the efficiency is right. 995 00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,920 But as we look at upcoming replenishments for those, and 996 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,600 we've got so much distractions politically that the 997 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,920 international needs like this could get eclipsed if we're not 998 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,520 careful. You know, we see a phenomenal 999 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,440 track record. It's been 100 billion overall 1000 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,000 that the world's put in. Our foundation is a bit more 1001 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,240 than 10 billion, but we feel there's been over a 20 to 1 1002 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,040 return. So if you just look at the 1003 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,640 economic benefits, that's a pretty strong number compared to 1004 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:39,480 anything else. Here we are 21 return and a 1005 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,360 great big grin. As you said it, as I said prior 1006 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,760 to the clip, corruption, there's absolutely no other word that 1007 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,680 should be used to describe it. And of course we go to 2024 to 1008 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,360 see what happens if we've got the Purbright Institute talking 1009 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,440 about accelerating global vaccine development. 1010 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,560 Now the most recent update within the last week is that 1011 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,120 there's now a partnership to advance mRNA vaccines for 1012 00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,440 livestock. And again, I I point you towards 1013 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,720 the fact that there are of course many more vaccines given 1014 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,520 to animals than there are humans. 1015 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:07,680 Now, part of the problem people like. 1016 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,640 Ian Brown who of course has a relationship not just with Herb 1017 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,720 Rice Institute, but formerly worked for APHA and indeed he 1018 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:20,440 has been involved with the World Animal Health Organisation and 1019 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,240 indeed the Food and Agriculture Organisation, both of which are 1020 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,560 funded by by GATE. So that there is absolute cross 1021 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,560 pollination and the site Weybridge and Purbright are only 1022 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,680 12 miles apart. So absolutely hand in glove one 1023 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:38,360 might say. Now this, as I said, does shift 1024 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,320 the focus away from slaughter on suspicion and I point you 1025 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:46,040 towards the vaccine guidance and in particular the market 1026 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:47,760 authorization. Just a reminder that these 1027 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,360 vaccines were authorised under exceptional circumstances. 1028 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,640 So of course we're moving away from slaughter on suspicion 1029 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,280 because we are able to vaccinate everything and it's a driver of 1030 01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,120 great profits and of course comes with much greater element 1031 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,280 of control and surveillance. Now on a related note, in terms 1032 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,160 of the lack of due care and attention, I would just point 1033 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,720 you to some of the scaremongering that's going on 1034 01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,000 from the BBC and indeed the government about chikungunya 1035 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,520 supposedly delivered by mosquitoes. 1036 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,240 And indeed a warning just now that they've had to withdraw a 1037 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:23,120 vaccine following very rare fatal reactions, which will 1038 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,480 sound very familiar. But don't worry because the 1039 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,000 vaccine will be available on the UK market from the 18th of June 1040 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,880 2025 S never mind those very rare fatal reactions. 1041 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,600 Is there any need to worry? And indeed are people going to 1042 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,520 talk it up? This is the European Centre for 1043 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,560 Disease Prevention and Control, which talks about 90 related 1044 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,800 deaths across the worldwide reporting system for 1045 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,400 chikungunya. But of course, given those 1046 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,920 statistics, why on earth would anyone be considering taking a 1047 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,560 pharmaceutical product against it now related to this in that 1048 01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:01,920 mosquitoes are reckoned to breed in areas of stagnant water. 1049 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,360 The National Drought Group talking about addressing 1050 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,880 nationally significant water shortfall and they've got a 1051 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,160 piece on how to save water at home. 1052 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,840 I made reference to this becoming possibly jeopardised 1053 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,280 given that the colonial administrations have indeed 1054 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,600 prohibited people from collecting water decades ago. 1055 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,800 And indeed the Chinese authorities reported to be doing 1056 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,040 the same thing. But what you can do to save 1057 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:29,640 water is to delete all the emails and pictures and that is 1058 01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,320 absolutely true. This is off the government 1059 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,880 website this morning under the It's your fault again heading. 1060 01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,800 So that's the that's the direction that we seem to be 1061 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,200 going in. But we're building data centres. 1062 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,920 We are, we are building data centres as reported on many, 1063 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,120 many times and I'm pleased to say that Sandy now is able to 1064 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,480 direct us towards a project in Somerset that seems to be 1065 01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,040 underway at the moment. Sandy. 1066 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,520 Yes, I mean, it's been, it's been built for for the last two 1067 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,000 years or three years actually, I think it, it started quite a 1068 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:03,120 while ago and it's called gravity and it's a smart campus. 1069 01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:09,200 It's a major giga factory and they want to create a battery, 1070 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,120 you know, sort of it's a battery factory. 1071 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,800 And I'm going to link it also into the mining the, the 1072 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,080 Cornwall mining company, the lithium mining company, because 1073 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,400 the lithium for this gigafactory is going to be coming mainly 1074 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,680 from Cornwall, obviously from abroad as well. 1075 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,280 But they're getting the Cornwall mining sorted. 1076 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,800 So it's it's quite, it's quite interesting. 1077 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,480 So let's run that that video about this giga. 1078 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,000 It's like a smart city. Yeah, if we can run that please. 1079 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,320 Oh, OK then next. Yeah. 1080 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,360 That is it, you know, No batteries, no transition, no 1081 01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:56,760 lithium, no batteries. All our modern devices, electric 1082 01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,360 cars, laptops, mobile phones all need batteries. 1083 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:08,880 Lithium batteries. At the moment the UK imports 1084 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:15,960 100% of it's lithium. Here in the UK, and particularly 1085 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,520 here in Cornwall, we have the capacity to produce 50,000 1086 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,720 tonnes of lithium carbonate equivalent every year, which is 1087 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,520 more than half of what the UK needs. 1088 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,640 We're not actually extracting the lithium that exists here on 1089 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,960 our doorstep, we're importing it and that needs to change. 1090 01:04:37,710 --> 01:04:41,350 Cornish Lithium have the objective of producing lithium 1091 01:04:41,350 --> 01:04:44,390 in a sustainable fashion. We have two ways of doing it. 1092 01:04:44,550 --> 01:04:47,670 One is repurposing what's already there at an existing 1093 01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:51,830 China clay quarry and the other is to extract lithium from 1094 01:04:51,870 --> 01:04:57,040 geothermal waters. We have a revolutionary way of 1095 01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,920 extracting lithium. We've managed to achieve what 1096 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:03,240 we've achieved because we've got a world class team and cutting 1097 01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:08,080 edge technology. Every tonne that we can produce 1098 01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,520 here down in Cornwall, it means we're displacing A tonne that 1099 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:12,960 would otherwise need to be imported. 1100 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,480 Cornish Lithium is putting Cornwall on the map for lithium 1101 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,760 extraction. We are leading a modern day 1102 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,240 renaissance of Cornwall's 4000 year history of extracting 1103 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,880 minerals to develop a product which is essential to the energy 1104 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:36,120 transition. Yes, that's the Cornish Lithium 1105 01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:40,760 mining company and prior to that it was the tin and copper mining 1106 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,480 company. So it does seem interesting that 1107 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:50,200 that oil, gas and coal bad lithium is really good, even 1108 01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,880 though it's highly toxic. And in order to get this lithium 1109 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:58,800 to the Giga factory in in Somerset, in Bridgewater, 1110 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,360 they're going to have to cross 3 counties with it to get it 1111 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,760 there. So there, I'm sure there are 1112 01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,120 safety concerns with that. So if we can look at the gravity 1113 01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,200 video now, which is the smart city that they're building in 1114 01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:16,600 Bridgewater? Yeah, Sandy, you need to, you 1115 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,600 need to explain this because. Oh, right, OK, sorry. 1116 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,320 Yeah, it's anyway, here it is. It's Bridgewater in its 1117 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,080 proximity to Bristol and Exeter International Airports. 1118 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:31,440 Now they've already expanded Bristol Airport hugely and 1119 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,920 they've they're going to put a railway into this site. 1120 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,960 It's just like a smart city with massive connectivity. 1121 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:45,040 It's 616 acres of Somerset countryside and here it, here it 1122 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,640 is, it's, it's got marketing suites, it's got people can live 1123 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:53,920 there, they work there, there's gyms, there's nurseries, there's 1124 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,640 just about everything you could want. 1125 01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:00,480 And there's the train that takes you in from London or wherever 1126 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,360 you have to come from. Or it could be another country. 1127 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:08,560 And local development is 1.1 million at the moment and 1128 01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,560 they're going to create 7500 jobs. 1129 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:16,800 And they've got dark fibre connectivity, opportunities for 1130 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,640 sustainable transport. Everything is electric and 1131 01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:25,360 probably automated. And nobody, yeah, nobody's kind 1132 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:30,280 of driving these things. And it's a it is a complete 1133 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,520 smart city that's been built on the doorstep here. 1134 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,840 So what, what will happen? They're way behind their their 1135 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,840 scheduled dates of completion. So maybe it'll never happen, but 1136 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:49,280 it's it's in the making. Thank you very much, Sandy. 1137 01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,960 And of course, an energy transition that nobody has yet 1138 01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,720 sufficiently justified. But we'll talk about that more, 1139 01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,360 not just an extra, but forever after. 1140 01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,040 I dare say no, just to give you a short teaser. 1141 01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,520 We'll hope you're going to hang around for extra. 1142 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,440 But Wilsey reports this time from a Freedom Festival in 1143 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,800 Lesters, which is a very quick look at a clip of that. 1144 01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,040 And we'll play more in extra I want. 1145 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,319 To. Love you baby. 1146 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,080 There are some more more to come there on Extra. 1147 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,000 Now we're just going to close out the programme by reminding 1148 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,960 you that although we at UK Column do take every care to get 1149 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,279 everything absolutely right, sometimes it doesn't quite go 1150 01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:49,720 according to plan. So what we're going to do is 1151 01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:54,439 cast our eyes back to a year ago and see how the news programme 1152 01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,960 began as it was then. Yeah, I don't even know what the 1153 01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,640 bloody day is now. 14th Get it wrong, we can. 1154 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:07,680 Not yet. 14th. Yeah, all day. 1155 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:12,600 All right, good afternoon. Today is the 14th of October 1156 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:17,560 2024. We are 20 minutes past one and 1157 01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,000 welcome to this special edition of UK called News. 1158 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,479 We had some technical problems. Right. 1159 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,840 Hang on, it's August. You said October. 1160 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,960 Sorry, I think that just might be 11 confusion too far. 1161 01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,160 That's the technical issue. We've we've shot, we've shot 1162 01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,920 into the future by too much that's really trying to get 1163 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:47,960 back. Let's just go and straight 1164 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,200 myself. Oh, God, this isn't. 1165 01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:54,760 We should absolutely play this bit good, right? 1166 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:56,440 I didn't even spot it. Yeah. 1167 01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:02,760 Well done. So just to clarify, we should 1168 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,160 point out that was that was what happened this news programme one 1169 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,360 year ago, yes, when I went on holiday. 1170 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,240 OK, yes, point, point taken. Absolutely right. 1171 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,280 Anyway, what I will say is thank you very much to Mike for 1172 01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,000 bringing the studio with me. Thank you to Patrick and to 1173 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,160 Sandy for joining. I'm sorry we have run over, but 1174 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,160 Please remember that we have got the interview with Carl Czar 1175 01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,240 going out the German warfare platform tonight and indeed 1176 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,240 Sandy's interview with Peter Taylor at 1:00 tomorrow. 1177 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,360 So if you are able to join us for extra in a few minutes as a 1178 01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,920 member, please do so. Otherwise we will look forward 1179 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,400 to seeing you at 1:00 on Friday. Thanks very much. 1180 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:39,040 Bye bye. Bye.