1 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,200 Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the 10th of 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,920 September, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News. 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,000 I'm your host, Mike Robinson and joining me in the studio today, 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,560 Brian Garish. Welcome to the programme by 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:18,520 Brian. Thank you. 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,000 And joining us via Live Link, our researcher and activist 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,480 Sandy Adams, and journalist and peace campaigner Vanessa Bailey. 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,400 Later in the programme, Vanessa is going to be reporting on a 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,960 huge contract with a certain Israeli defence contractor that 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,960 we all know to train British military personnel. 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,960 Sandy is going to have more on the funding behind the migrant 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,720 operation here in the UK. And we'll be taking a further 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,160 look at Unit 8200 and the Online Safety Act. 14 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:47,200 But we'll begin today, Brian, with security guarantees or at 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,480 least the ramping up of the narrative around that topic. 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,400 Yes, indeed. And the subject, of course, is 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:59,040 the supposed Russian drone attack on Poland. 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,880 I've just chosen the Guardian headline here, which at least is 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,960 relatively measured. Poland shoots down drones over 20 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:10,840 its territory amid a Russian attack on Ukraine. 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,120 And the reason I'm emphasising this headline is, of course, in 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,440 most of the Western media, it's simply labeled as a Russian 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,080 attack. But there are lots of questions 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,600 to be asked. The other thing in that picture 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:29,600 a lot was lots of F sixteens. F30 fives have also been 26 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,360 involved, according to reports. But my point is that the F16 is 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,720 being promoted again as the wonder weapon. 28 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,720 It was the F16 airborne to shoot down drones. 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,080 But Tusk made some statements. This is one of the key ones. 30 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,640 We're dealing with large scale provocation. 31 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,680 We're ready to repel such provocations. 32 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,680 The the situation is serious and no one doubts that we must 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,480 prepare for various scenarios. Poland has successfully repelled 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,080 the attack and there is no reason to panic. 35 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:10,639 Well, did they successfully repel and was it an attack? 36 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,240 These are some questions which we points we need to look at. 37 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,000 So basically, Poland's military command said that it it said 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,160 that there were more than 10 objects. 39 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,040 And this is interesting because we'll have a little bit of a 40 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,800 discussion about how many drones there supposedly were. 41 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,800 But Poland's military said more than 10 objects and those that 42 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,960 could pose a threat were neutralised in the early hours 43 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,040 of Wednesday. Some of the drones that enter 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,160 our airspace were shot down. Searches and efforts to locate 45 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,240 the potential crash sites of these objects are ongoing. 46 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,800 So it's vague when you start to pull apart the reports. 47 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,720 What's actually being talked about is pretty vague. 48 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,960 But if we bring the BBC up, because of course the BBC in 49 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,200 general is ramping up the fear this is a major Russian attack 50 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,800 on Poland. This is going to give the 51 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:10,480 opportunity for NATO to respond. So here's the BBC headline in 52 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,280 the box. Poland says that up to 4 of 19 53 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,320 Russian drones were shot down after entering the airspace. 54 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:24,160 Now to date there's absolutely no factual reported evidence 55 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,880 that these were Russian drones, but of course the BBC quick to 56 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,400 say absolutely they were. When we get into the more 57 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,560 detailed reporting by the BBC, it gets into the numbers of 58 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,040 drones and how many were brought down and how many were found. 59 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:45,120 But there's there's really no analysis at all on what these 60 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,880 drones were and what the evidence was to identify them as 61 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,440 Russian. Now, of course, the other person 62 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,440 coming into the mix was Zelensky. 63 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,560 He wasn't happy with the idea of 19 and he suggested at least 24 64 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,720 Russian drones had entered Poland. 65 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,240 And of course, he was already ramping it up to say, this is 66 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:11,720 one of the reasons why you need me and Ukraine to defend Western 67 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,920 Europe against those nasty Russians. 68 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,079 The BBC just reports this as if it's factual. 69 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,399 But there was a little bullet point here. 70 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,680 You might not see it at the bottom of the box. 71 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,440 So let's bring this up on your screen. 72 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:28,760 Now, when you read the article, you're not sure whether this is 73 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,960 part of what Zelensky is saying. Well, this is the BBC speaking 74 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,600 to the reader. But the bullet point says, as a 75 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,000 reminder, Polish Prime Minister Donald Trusk Tusk has said the 76 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,040 Polish military recorded 19 drone incursions into the 77 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,800 country's airspace overnight. Mike, I think this is the BBC 78 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,760 attempting to grip the narrative. 79 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,080 But of course, what they're doing is also underlining the 80 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,160 fact that not even the BBC can trust a word that comes out of 81 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,200 the mouth of Zelensky, who they are normally promoting as an 82 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,440 accurate spokesperson for what's happening with the war. 83 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,800 Now, I've been paying attention for the whole 1200 days of the 84 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,960 war to many people reporting and there's some really excellent 85 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,920 social media analysis. I just decided to have a look at 86 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,280 a little bit of this. Now, one of the things that was 87 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:28,360 being circulated in relation to this attack was the image on 88 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,080 screen. Now, this is not a a war drone. 89 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,440 This is a, if you like a drone to practice drone attacks. 90 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,960 But this was photographed and there's some suggestions that 91 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,320 this is one of the drones that appeared in Poland, but I have 92 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,800 no idea whether that is correct or not. 93 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,880 But if we look at the comment, Poland yesterday, border closure 94 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:58,760 today, drone raid tomorrow, a no fly zone question mark. 95 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,640 And what they're getting at there is that is this 96 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,680 effectively a false flag to allow NATO to extend the air 97 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,800 cover into Western Ukraine. And I think there's there's a 98 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,200 lot of reasons we should be very suspicious of the nation of the 99 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,880 NATO position. But if we continue the 100 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:22,840 commentary from this particular source today, some unidentified 101 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:27,280 flying objects, this is deliberately bringing some black 102 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:30,880 humour into the commentary. But we know from the Polish 103 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,400 reports themselves, they said one had not been identified. 104 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,200 Today some UFOs enter Polish territory shot down by air 105 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,840 defence, but no one shows the debris. 106 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:45,640 And I think this is very key, Mike. 107 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,880 Nobody's showing debris because that would say without any doubt 108 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,280 that the attack was Russian. And to date, nothing's come 109 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:56,920 forward. But if we continue the comment 110 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,080 commentary from social media, I have no doubt it is Duran 111 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,680 wreckage. Why that would be Russian drone 112 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,600 wreckage there. There are there is tons of it in 113 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:12,040 Ukraine and a few 100 kilograms. So the Poles can wave it around 114 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,240 at press conferences is no problem. 115 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,320 So what they're doing here is also pointing out that there's 116 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,680 enough wreckage in Ukraine for that to be transferred into NATO 117 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,600 to be presented as so-called evidence of a Russian attack. 118 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,680 But if you analyse the situation, what would Russia 119 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,400 gain out of such an attack? It would give NATO the excuse it 120 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,640 needed to group up and possibly bring Ukraine into the fold. 121 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,800 Why would Russia do it? It simply doesn't make sense. 122 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,520 Now, what we need to remember is of course, that huge numbers of 123 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,360 Russian drones are being used in the attacked. 124 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,200 This is some data back from July, but it's talking about 125 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,440 nearly 6 1/2 thousand drones being launched in the period. 126 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,360 And below the line is those that have been shot down. 127 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,960 And Ukraine is always trying to make out that it's air defences 128 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,520 are still working perfectly. And this is actually a Ukrainian 129 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,720 map of the air routes. This has come supposedly from 130 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,640 their air defence systems showing the extent of the of 131 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,880 this Russian, sorry, the Russian drone raid taking place on 132 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:27,280 Ukraine as supposedly the attack in Poland was taking place. 133 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,960 Now the coordination of this attack and some and previous 134 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,559 attacks, Mike, is simply incredible from the Russian 135 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,760 side. And the idea that 19 drones went 136 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,880 into Poland by accident is simply not credible. 137 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:43,880 So we need to know whether they were Russian or not. 138 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,320 And I'm also going to point out here that surprisingly, Defence 139 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,920 HQ, this is the British Ministry of Defence on their Twitter 140 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,600 channel, was busily talking about the war effort ramping up 141 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,840 British industry. This goes on and on and on. 142 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,200 What we're not seeing is anything about drones. 143 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:08,240 And we're just highlighting a minute here that British 144 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,520 government is very happy that they've apparently now now got 145 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:17,120 800,000 plus students involved in the defence industry. 146 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,440 So at the same time Russia's being criticised for bringing 147 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,680 young people into the war effort. 148 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:28,880 We are boasting that we are bringing 800,000 students and a 149 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,800 lot of promotional women into the defence effort. 150 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,840 But absolutely no commentary on Russian drones, which I think is 151 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,120 very significant. So the key is we need that 152 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:46,840 evidence that indeed these drones in Poland were Russian. 153 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,560 And that they were shot down in Polish airspace. 154 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:54,680 And well, well, yes, of course it's very difficult to to say 155 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,560 some, some of the wreckage has been found, five and one 156 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:09,000 identified in in Lublin province in Poland and two, one in a more 157 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,120 central location and one in a more northern location. 158 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,240 But let's see whether we see the images. 159 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,320 Vanessa, let's welcome you to the programme and well the 160 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,880 defence contractor that was very referring to at the at the 161 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,040 beginning of the programme, who could that have been? 162 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,040 Well none other than Albert Systems of course, the centre of 163 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,000 all the controversy over the prescribing of Palestine Action 164 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,960 as a terrorist group in the UK for actually sabotaging Albert 165 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:42,760 Systems that are providing 85% globally of the drones to the 166 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,200 Israeli military. So this was back in February a 167 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:52,400 report in Shepherd Defence Media final 2 contenders for key 2 168 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,440 billion British Army training contract selected and that 169 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,160 reduced it back then down to two main contenders that were 170 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,840 mentioned in the article for the Army Collective Training Service 171 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,880 acronym is ACTS. Of the seven original bidders 172 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,240 for the partnership, 3 had already withdrawn. 173 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,560 The two successful consortia are Omnia Training led by Raytheon 174 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:20,680 UK and a team led by Albert Systems UK. 175 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:25,080 And then much more recently towards the end of August, this 176 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,760 was in the campaign against Armed violence. 177 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,680 The director of the organization, Ian Overton, wrote 178 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:37,760 that concern as the Ministry of Defence reportedly poised to 179 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:43,360 hand 2 in in training deal to Albert Systems, Israel's largest 180 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,400 arms firm. And let's have a look. 181 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,480 I'll just summarize in the next slide basically what was said 182 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,920 within the article. So the project is to deliver 183 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,160 training for 60,000 British soldiers each year. 184 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,720 It will transform how the army prepares for operations. 185 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,360 While in fact there's very little detail on what that 186 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:07,320 preparation will include. Since 2023 they've been in 187 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,960 Albert has been involved involved in Project Vulcan, a 188 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,880 £57 million ten year program to train tank crews. 189 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,800 It is wholly owned and controlled by Israel, albeit 190 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,640 systems. This is very important because 191 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,920 it's very much portrayed by the British government as being Auk 192 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,720 company. But the profits from UK arms 193 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,200 production flow back to Israel and there is a major senior 194 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,040 staff overlap. It is Auk subsidiary. 195 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,840 It's a local contractor to the British regime and part of 196 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,400 Israel's wider military industrial complex. 197 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,000 So it's very much smoke and mirrors when the British 198 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,960 government tries to to basically hide the fact that that the 199 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,880 government is not involved with an Israeli weapons manufacturing 200 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,600 outfit that is complicit with the genocide of Palestinians in 201 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,200 Gaza and the occupied territories. 202 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,520 Even beyond this. It was actually private I but 203 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:07,320 reported by Ian Overton that there are two senior members of 204 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:12,840 British armed forces that have now joined the Advisory Board of 205 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,880 Albert in the UK. The first being Sir Simon Bolem. 206 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:20,720 You can freeze frame and read the details on him. 207 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,800 And the second being the next slide please. 208 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,360 Lieutenant General Sir Mark Poffley, KCBOBE, Both of them 209 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:34,320 very high level members of or former members of the Ministry 210 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,800 of Defence now joining an Israeli arms company that is 211 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,000 complicit in genocide against Palestinians. 212 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:50,320 Now this has generated a motion from within Parliament from 213 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,600 basically raising alarms about the Armed forces training 214 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,360 contract and Albert systems. And if we have a quick look at 215 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,080 the text of that motion, it's been signed by I think upwards 216 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:09,200 of 25 MPs, the majority being from Pled, Comrie and Labour, 217 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,480 unsurprisingly. But what it actually says is 218 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,760 that, as I said, Albert supplies 85% of drones to the Israeli 219 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:21,920 military, conducting what is described by many international 220 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,160 humanitarian law organisations, including the ICJ, as a 221 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,520 genocide. It will entrench Albert at the 222 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:34,440 heart of UK defence or an Israeli company again at the 223 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,680 heart of UK defence industry. And of course we've been 224 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,320 covering that at UK Column. The involvement in Oracle in the 225 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,360 storage of information for the ministry, defence and other 226 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:50,720 sectors of British governance. And from a reputational, legal 227 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:56,400 and moral perspective, this puts Britain in danger of being 228 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,400 prosecuted, of course, for being complicit in genocide. 229 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,280 That is their main concern. At the same time we still have 230 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:10,760 the unlawful keeping the Filton 24 members of Palestine Action 231 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:15,280 who led the direct action campaign against Albert Systems 232 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,280 in an attempt to to highlight the genocide and prevent the 233 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,880 genocide. And they of course have spent a 234 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,040 year. In fact, I think now it's more 235 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,560 in prison without trial. The first trial of I think three 236 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,880 members of Palestine Action will be taking place on the 17th of 237 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,800 November at Woolwich Crown Court. 238 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:39,000 And we've also talked regularly about the conditions that these 239 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,560 young people are being kept in, in remand. 240 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,560 I mean effectively they are going through abuse and torture 241 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,400 at the hands of the state. Now 1 interesting fact is that 242 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,240 very recently this was in the Guardian, Israeli arms 243 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:58,560 manufacturer closes the UK facility targeted by Palestine 244 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,640 Action. Now this is perceived as a 245 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,480 success at the hands of direct action by Palestine Action. 246 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,600 My suspicion is that it's going to re emerge somewhere else, 247 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,520 potentially be renamed or or rebranded. 248 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,800 So we need to keep an eye on that. 249 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,600 But but absolutely extraordinary that the British government is 250 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,000 pursuing collaboration with Albert Systems despite all of 251 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,280 the controversy surrounding it, while effectively torturing and 252 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:33,360 abusing their own citizens or actually protesting genocide in 253 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,120 the UK. You got some thoughts? 254 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,680 Yes, indeed. I, I just wanted to say, 255 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,600 Vanessa, that absolutely take the point of the, the links with 256 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,520 the Israeli company and the, the genocide currently going on in, 257 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,760 in Gaza. But not even aside from that, 258 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:58,680 the fact that we have a foreign nation, namely Israel now 259 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:05,000 burying itself directly into the heart of UK military training. 260 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,960 This is a level which it means that Israel would be given 261 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:14,319 access to every single real capability, particularly of the 262 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:17,000 army. And this to me is utterly 263 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,560 incredible. What decision has been taken 264 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:26,480 that Israel is trustworthy enough to even deal with 265 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:33,400 training secrets within the UK military, aside from the 266 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,160 secondary point, which is, you know, absolutely valid of this 267 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,240 company being linked into the horrors going on in Gaza? 268 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,160 I've talked about this dual nationality problem before, and 269 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,720 I think that you are absolutely highlighting it here. 270 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,120 Any comment? No, I totally agree with that. 271 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:58,600 Yeah, OK. Well, look, thank you, Vanessa. 272 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,640 Sandy, let's welcome you to the programme then. 273 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,800 And we've been talking over the last couple of weeks about maybe 274 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,200 what's going on behind the scenes with respect to the 275 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,080 incitement of feeling and emotion with people in the UK 276 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:17,400 over the migrant issue. What have you got on this? 277 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,600 Yes, sorry, Sandy, we I'm afraid we can't hear you. 278 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,880 I think you're going to need to try to try to reconnect. 279 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,200 We might need to move on and and come back to this. 280 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,520 Well, just just for we do, Mike, I think just to add a little bit 281 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:43,120 more to this business of Israel, it's quite incredible that back 282 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:46,960 in the days of Francis Maude, he was the minister who suddenly 283 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:53,680 announced that we'd gone into this massive packed with Israel. 284 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,760 MOUI think it was a memorandum of understanding at the time, 285 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,240 which meant that Israeli intelligence services were 286 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:08,320 absolutely going to be part part partnered with British Intel. 287 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,000 We were going to be bringing in GCHQ, we're going to be bringing 288 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,800 in the universities. And there was absolutely no full 289 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,520 debate in the House of Commons over the risks of this. 290 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,320 And now we've moved forward to the fact that Israel is not only 291 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:28,120 burying itself into the NHS, it's now at the heart of British 292 00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:30,440 military. It's becoming difficult to tell 293 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,520 whether we've got a government which is actually being run from 294 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:38,320 Westminster for the benefit of the people in UK or we're simply 295 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:43,080 now some sort of overseas colony of, of Israel. 296 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,960 I'm being pretty tough in this, but I think there's some really 297 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,600 serious questions to be asked. And we should also be looking at 298 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:55,360 the names of the people who've set up these joint arrangements 299 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:57,120 with Israel. Who were they? 300 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,400 Where are the minutes of the meeting and what is proposed 301 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,520 next? Sadly, are we able to hear you? 302 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,280 Yeah. Can you hear me? 303 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,800 Now, OK, so let's over to you. Then yeah, I mean, I've been, 304 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,520 thank you very much. I've been looking really at, 305 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,600 yeah, it's the division that's that's happening within the UK 306 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,480 and, and actually all over Europe over the immigration 307 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,840 crisis. And I, I just looked at this 308 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,280 quote from Karl Marx where he said a spectre is haunting 309 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,160 Europe. All the powers of Europe have 310 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,200 entered into a holy alliance to exercise this spectre. 311 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:42,760 Pope, Tsar and Metternich and Ghizo, French radicals and 312 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,560 German police and spies. Basically, you know what he's 313 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,800 saying is there's a spectre now he's don't. 314 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,760 That's not the only spectre. Communism obviously is what he's 315 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,320 talking about. But we've got another spectre. 316 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,720 And I just want to sort of, some people may have seen this. 317 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,480 I saw it certainly 10 years ago in Sweden. 318 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,240 A lady called Barbara Lerner Spectrum made a very bold claim. 319 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,160 She said Europe has not yet learnt how to be multicultural, 320 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,400 but it must become so if it is to survive. 321 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,440 And our people, bearing in mind she's Israeli, our people will 322 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,960 be at the centre of making this happen. 323 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,560 Now, these words weren't just off the cuff. 324 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,760 You know, she was the founder of of a company called Pedia 325 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:36,000 Institute, which is backed by the Swedish government and and 326 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,160 funded. And she was part of something 327 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:43,280 bigger, a web of radical NGOs and foundations shaping Europe's 328 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,360 future. So let's see what she had to say 329 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:53,000 10 years ago. I think there's a resurgence of 330 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,000 anti-Semitism because at this point in time, Europe has not 331 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,960 yet learned how to be multicultural. 332 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,160 And I think we're going to be part of the throes of that, of 333 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,880 that transformation which must take place. 334 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:10,320 Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that they 335 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,800 once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the 336 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,560 center of that. It's a huge transformation for 337 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,080 Europe to make. They are now going into a 338 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,600 multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our 339 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,080 leading role. But without that leading role 340 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:30,520 and without that transformation, Europe will not survive right? 341 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,200 I think when she said monolistic, I think she meant 342 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,920 sort of traditional Christian, you know, values of Europe. 343 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,880 So it's quite interesting what she said there. 344 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,680 Now I want to just look at some of these NGOs. 345 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:50,520 We've got the one called HIAS, which is the Hebrew Immigrant 346 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:56,320 Aid Society, and we've got Open Society foundations of George 347 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:04,920 Soros as well, the American Jewish Committee and the 348 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,440 European Jewish Congress. So some of these, I mean, 349 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,680 they're, they're heavily funded and they have billions in 350 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,160 resources to fund any, any program they wish. 351 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,760 And this, this, this program, which is, let's face it, it is 352 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,320 the, the Kudnov Kilergy programme, which people are 353 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,960 given the Charlemagne Prize for, for actually rolling this out in 354 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,440 Europe. So, you know, I, I think the, 355 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,400 the shared reasoning of, of what she's saying is she's saying a 356 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,800 multicultural Europe is safe, a safer Europe for minorities, 357 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,080 especially Jews. And at first it sounds kind of 358 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,720 noble. Who wouldn't argue against 359 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,160 tolerance and safety and diversity? 360 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,680 But if you look closer, there's massive double standards. 361 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,240 As we, as we can see in Europe, the message is, is clear, it's 362 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,560 breakdown the old order, tear away the, you know, the 363 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,600 traditional values and dissolve the nation state. 364 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,480 You know, it's diversity at any cost. 365 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,080 But in Israel, the message is the polar opposite. 366 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,680 You know, if Israel defines itself as a Jewish state, 367 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,680 immigration is tightly controlled. 368 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,920 The demographics are guarded now and multiculturalism is, is seen 369 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,240 as a direct threat to survival. So how can it be both? 370 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:26,520 You know, this is, this is my question. 371 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,120 So you know, we've, we've now got this, this March on the on 372 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:35,120 the 13th, Tommy Robinson is leading another one of his his 373 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,720 marches. And the target really is, is, 374 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,040 is, is immigration. So ordinary working class people 375 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,880 are, are, are quite right, rightly angry at what's going on 376 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,560 in a, in, in Europe and our country because it's too fast. 377 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,960 It's too, it, it, it's scaled of it. 378 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,600 And we don't, you know, it's UN, it's UN unregulated. 379 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,320 So what we, you know, the, the Muslims are, are, are seem to be 380 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,000 being scapegoated, you know, and the real architects of this 381 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,120 policy remain kind of, you know, behind the scenes. 382 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,720 So the aim is to to create division without, without, 383 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,960 without question. And it's manufactured. 384 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,640 It's manufactured division that we, we simply can't tolerate. 385 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,120 And you know, the, The thing is that when you've got a lot of 386 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,440 people, you know, in, in one place, we have to be mindful. 387 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,160 And my, my, my sort of message really to anybody that's going 388 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,520 to that March is that this is a, a perfect opportunity to almost 389 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,200 play them at their own game. And literally, you know, all, 390 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,160 all people of Britain who are call this home and are, are all 391 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,760 coming together on this March to stop the destruction of the 392 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,320 home. The place they call home need to 393 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,520 be really together on this. And there shouldn't be any 394 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,240 tension. And they should be come coming 395 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:05,320 together to to literally be that that force of unity in in, in 396 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,560 fighting, not fighting this, but in standing against the 397 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,840 destruction of the UK. Sandy, thank you for that. 398 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:21,080 Now let's move on then to online safety and well, yesterday 399 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,200 apparently was online safety Day 2. 400 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,520 We'll explain that in a second. But vulnerable people across the 401 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,240 UK are going to be shielded from the most dangerous online 402 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,960 content as new laws are said to be introduced to prevent 403 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,160 devastating self harm material from reaching people of all 404 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,040 ages. And I hope you appreciate that 405 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,160 those are not my words. Those are the words of the 406 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,400 British government. So yesterday they announced 407 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,600 urgent action. This is their words again. 408 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,480 To toughen the Online Safety Act by putting stricter legal 409 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,160 requirements on tech companies to hunt down and remove material 410 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,560 that encourages or assists serious self harm before it can 411 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,960 destroy lives and tear families apart. 412 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,520 While platforms already have to take specific steps to protect 413 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,960 children, they say from this dangerous self harm content, The 414 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,840 government recognises that adults battling mental health 415 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,360 challenges are equally at risk from exposure to material that 416 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,720 could trigger a mental health crisis or worse. 417 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,080 And they said that these new regulations mean that content 418 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,360 encouraging or assisting serious harm will be treated as priority 419 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,800 offence for all users. This change will trigger the 420 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,680 strongest possible legal protections. 421 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,360 Compelling platforms use cutting edge technology to actively seek 422 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,160 out and eliminate this content before it can reach users and 423 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,360 cause irreparable harm, rather than simply reacting after 424 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,640 someone has already been exposed to it. 425 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,640 So that's what they had to say about this now. 426 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,120 This is the first act of Liz Kendall. 427 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,200 There she is. Happy, Liz there. 428 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,640 And this is just a couple of days since she became technology 429 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,640 secretary. She says the regulations will 430 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,960 come into force 21 days after they're made, following approval 431 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,960 by both Houses of Parliament. Now don't make me laugh, please. 432 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,280 This is going to be done via statutory instrument which is 433 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,960 going to be laid before Parliament, probably on an 434 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,160 indeterminate Sunday during the autumn when no one's there to 435 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,840 challenge it. So this is a new level of 436 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,040 censorship which is being imposed under the guise of 437 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,240 protecting vulnerable people from harmful content. 438 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,160 It should be noted here that the direct encouragement of suicide 439 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,760 is already illegal under the 1961 Suicide Act, unless it's 440 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:39,960 assisted. Suicide. 441 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,480 I knew that was coming up. But content that portrays self 442 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,360 harm is not illegal. Neither is content which 443 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,000 portrays suicide as positive or desirable, and neither is 444 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,840 content which provides information on methods of self 445 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,680 harm. So this is the return of the 446 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,920 legal but harmful issue that was supposedly dropped from the 447 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,720 Online Safety Act during the before it was actually passed as 448 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,720 an act. Of course, I'm not suggesting 449 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,360 that content such as this is desirable or should be 450 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:14,000 encouraged, but it's not illegal and it is being used as a poster 451 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,040 child for the rolling out of technology that scans social 452 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,840 media content as it's being uploaded so that it's censored 453 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,440 before it ever appears on a platform. 454 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,040 Now I'm going to ask hands up anyone who thinks that this will 455 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,440 stop with self harm, because of course it won't. 456 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,440 This is a significant expansion of the Online Safety Act scope, 457 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,400 moving from the idea of sort of reactively taking down content 458 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,760 to anticipation of whatever that content might be. 459 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,360 And of course they've got to scan all content if they're 460 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,320 going to identify content that is relevant to self harm. 461 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,200 So this is only the start. And remember, the Online Safety 462 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,520 Act is an enabling act that enables its own expansion via 463 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,240 ministerial decree as we've seen in this case. 464 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,760 So let's then move on to the next step in the roll out of the 465 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,360 ACT, the so-called super complaints. 466 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,280 The Online Safety Act allows expert organisations, you can 467 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,880 laugh at that too, representing users or the public to make 468 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,000 special complaints to Ofcom called a super complaint. 469 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,040 These are their words. Super complaints should be a 470 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,000 about features of sites and apps that are regulated or the 471 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,800 behaviour of organisations that run them that risk causing 472 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,080 serious harm to people who are significantly affecting people's 473 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,000 right to freedom of expression. Now do you see what they did 474 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,960 there? They enable super complaints 475 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,120 which will result in limiting people's right to free 476 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,400 expression in order to protect people's right to free 477 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,400 expression. How does that work? 478 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,960 Well, it it's all thought crime, in my, my opinion, absolutely. 479 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,520 It's all thought crime, yeah. So super complaints are going to 480 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,600 help organizations who are experts about online harm to 481 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,040 ensure issues can be brought to Ofcom's attention. 482 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,160 So note the language organizations who are experts 483 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,720 about online harm. I I wonder who those could be. 484 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,600 Well, let's have a look at what they say. 485 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,760 So they say who can make a super complaint? 486 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,000 They talk about people who use regulated sites and apps or 487 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,920 people who represent people. Sorry, try that again. 488 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,200 Organizations, because this can't be brought by an 489 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,200 individual or people. It has to be brought by an 490 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,760 organization who use the regulated sites and apps or who 491 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,480 represent the general public or a specific group of people. 492 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,840 It has to be an organization that operates independently from 493 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,600 regulated sites and apps. And it it has to be an 494 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,440 organization regularly takes part in public discussions about 495 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:45,240 online safety as an expert. So that's, that's basically, 496 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,720 that's basically it. We're seeing the massive ramping 497 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,600 up of this situation and this legislation and this censorship 498 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,480 regime. Where could it go wrong? 499 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,680 Well, everywhere might, but I'll just say this is where Sandy's 500 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:06,800 point is so important that big demonstrations, violence helps 501 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,240 exactly what we're warning about here in the news today. 502 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,680 When people are quiet and measured, we've got a much 503 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,280 better chance of getting through this type of pernicious 504 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,160 censorship. So I just think that's worth 505 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,200 highlighting. 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We're very sorry about that. 515 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,080 There were technical issues around that. 516 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,320 But I'm glad to say he is back tonight speaking to Simon Roche. 517 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,240 So join us at 7:00 PM for that this evening. 518 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,440 Great news on the On Location event in New York I believe. 519 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,120 But well, just before we came on air brand, just two tickets 520 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,760 left. Absolutely brilliant. 521 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,840 Who is going to take that? The last two tickets, 2 522 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,360 individuals or a couple? I don't know but please help us 523 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,760 out. Let us sell these last two 524 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,840 tickets. This will be absolutely 525 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,240 wonderful. Full hours for UK column on 526 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,640 location in York. So utterly brilliant support 527 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,400 from all our members and supporters, wherever you are. 528 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,080 We're very much looking forward to that. 529 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,320 And Brian, we've got, or at least you've got a discussion 530 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,800 with Commissioner coming up soon. 531 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,280 Yes, being edited at the moment, but I just wanted to highlight 532 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,880 it because Kim has gone from one woman challenging the sexual 533 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,640 grooming of children through the education system to the fact 534 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,440 that the end of this month, she'll be going to Washington 535 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,120 with a group of other individuals to challenge the 536 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,480 World Health Organization on their disgusting child sexuality 537 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,560 education programme. And Kim did a really brilliant 538 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,560 interview with me warning about the specific dangers of that 539 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,920 programme. So I just want to say an amazing 540 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,760 lady who has achieved and is achieving a huge amount. 541 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,440 Let's come back onto the issue of Israel and Gaza then, Ryan. 542 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:31,400 Yes, well I just want to highlight firstly the discussion 543 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,360 that Patrick Henningson and I had about the BBC documentary 2 544 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,520 Girls shot in Gaza. This was by Stephanie Hegarty, 545 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,440 the so-called population correspondent of the BBC World 546 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,320 Service, but we took our time to analyse her work because we 547 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,520 thought it was so good and so credible. 548 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:57,040 What was she warning about? Israeli snipers, IDF snipers 549 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:02,120 deliberately targeting young children and toddlers in Gaza. 550 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,880 Very emotional but a very, very precise documentary. 551 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,880 And if you haven't seen Patrick and and my commentary on it, 552 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,480 please go on the UK columns website and have a look. 553 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,640 Well, what did I see in the last day? 554 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,800 But the Guardian here with an article the Gaza family torn 555 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,640 apart by IDF snipers from Chicago and Munich. 556 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,440 And notice what is happening here. 557 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,080 We're not dealing even with Israelis. 558 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,880 We've now got, we've now got members of the Jewish community 559 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,240 who've been drawn back into Israel in order to take place, 560 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,200 take part of the Israeli Defence Forces. 561 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,160 So are these people German? Are they American anymore? 562 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:52,080 What are we dealing with? The meat of this is that an 563 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,560 investigation was carried out and it included review of an 564 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,840 interview that was done with an IDF sniper, Daniel Robb, who was 565 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,120 a full of a Chicago basketball player. 566 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,280 And this is some of his commentary over the death of 567 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,440 three members of a family. And what what happened is 1 was 568 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,560 shot, he shot 1. And then as the next family 569 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,760 member came forward to try and recover the body, that that 570 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,400 person was then shot and three members of the family were shot. 571 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,680 So he says it's hard for me to understand why 19 year old Salim 572 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,120 Domos tried to retrieve his brother's body. 573 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,200 And it also doesn't really interest me. 574 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,680 I mean, what was so important about that corpse? 575 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,520 He went on to say they, the people in Gaza are thinking, oh, 576 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,160 I don't think I'll get shot because I'm wearing civilian 577 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,360 clothes and I'm not carrying a weapon and all that. 578 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,280 But they were wrong. That's what you have snipers for 579 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,120 this Mike. In my opinion, this is very, 580 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,320 very callous language, even for a sniper. 581 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,200 He is obviously very happy that civilians are coming forward 582 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,480 into his sights and he he believes he can kill them all 583 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,320 with impunity. He goes on to say they civilians 584 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,440 just kept on coming to try and take these bodies and I've added 585 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,560 so I took easy shots to kill them. 586 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,840 This is really disgusting material and this is a result of 587 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,840 a 5 month investigation. So this is on top of the BB CS 588 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,720 own investigation of other cases. 589 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,960 Daniel Rapp goes on to say it's a question of distance. 590 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:41,120 There is a line that we define. They, the ordinary people of 591 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,040 Gaza, don't know where this line is, but we do. 592 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,640 So civilians are trying their best just to live amongst the 593 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,320 carnage and the rubble of Gaza. They cross a line of which they 594 00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:00,720 are not aware, and an American Israeli sniper simply uses that 595 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,760 as his cue to kill them. And he goes on to say that his 596 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,480 team killed 105 people during his Gaza deployment. 597 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,840 That's really impressive. This, this to me, this is a war 598 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,200 crime. There's no ifs or buts and the 599 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,240 evidence is mounting. If we have a look at other 600 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:23,120 comments in the article, the reporter who interviewed the 601 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,720 Gazan family that lost three members asked not to be named 602 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:31,720 because Israel has killed at least 189 journalists in Gaza. 603 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,240 This is something that's simply not really being discussed on a 604 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,880 world scale. And the article went on to say 605 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,880 that establishing an invisible security perimeter, then 606 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,480 shooting civilians who cross it, has become a common practice in 607 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,440 Gaza. Israeli soldiers have testified. 608 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,760 So this is not an investigation into one individual. 609 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,080 There's a number of people commenting, and the article goes 610 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,080 on say the attacks match a pattern described by a former 611 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,160 Israeli reservist who told the Guardian that soldiers he served 612 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,080 with in Gaza repeatedly shot unarmed Palestinians trying to 613 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,920 collect bodies. And I'll bring back on screen 614 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,320 here the whole question. These are dual nationality 615 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,560 individuals. So where does their loyalty lie? 616 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,880 Will they think they can kill people in America or Germany in 617 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,600 order to protect Israel? We don't know. 618 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,400 And are these men committing war crimes on behalf of Israel? 619 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,080 If so, they should surely be tried for it. 620 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,920 I think this is this is some of the most disgusting stuff that 621 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,240 I've come across, Mike. People dying in explosions and 622 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:49,480 bombings. Yeah, particularly bad. 623 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,200 We've got people who are simply being given weapons to go and 624 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,200 hunt and shoot children, toddlers and unarmed people as 625 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,080 if it was some sort of sport. Well, I've I've got to sort of 626 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,040 time to get comment from Vanessa right now, but I absolutely want 627 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,040 to talk about this in extra because first of all, I suspect 628 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,080 this has been going on for much longer than. 629 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,960 Just. The last couple of years, but 630 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,880 also we've seen this type of thing in other conflicts as 631 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,960 well. So I want to talk about this 632 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:27,160 quite a bit more in in extra. But look, let's look at Unit 633 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,120 8200, because it's around a month since Microsoft claimed to 634 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,280 have begun an urgent inquiry into the Israeli signals 635 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,560 intelligence and cyber warfare agency Unit 8200's use of their 636 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,000 infrastructure. That's Microsoft's 637 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,720 infrastructure to store and analyse millions of intercepted 638 00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:47,120 phone calls from Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, 639 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,320 allegedly for surveillance in air strike target 640 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,760 identification. And of course, this is an 641 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,240 impossible violation of Microsoft terms of service, 642 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,720 never mind the complicity in the genocide issue. 643 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,320 So a month has passed and there's been, there have been no 644 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,560 updates from Microsoft nor any effort to drop Unit 8200 as a 645 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,360 customer. It seems to be. 646 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,080 So let's just make sure that they're both on screen so that 647 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,440 we know what their various logos look like. 648 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,960 Now, the allegations against Unit 8200 came via investigative 649 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:27,520 reporting by the Guardian, but also by +79, Sorry, +972 650 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,400 Magazine, and also an organization called Local Call. 651 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,800 The report asserts that Unit 8200 maintained its own siloed 652 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,600 Azure. That's Microsoft Azure. 653 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,280 That's a cloud platform environment allegedly granted 654 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,000 through a deal with Microsoft's chief executive directly. 655 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,200 Analysts claim that the data was instrumental in identified 656 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,680 bombing targets. And now this has been going on 657 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,840 since 2002. And the claim is that more than 658 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,640 11 1/2 thousand terabytes of intercepted Palestinian 659 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,600 communications data are stored on Microsoft servers in the 660 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,000 Netherlands, and that this is equivalent to 200 million hours 661 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,120 of phone calls, in addition to additional data in Ireland and 662 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,600 also in Israel. This is the second inquiry 663 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,120 launched by Microsoft. An earlier 1 announced in May 664 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,200 this year reportedly found no evidence or misused, misuse or 665 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,400 targeting of civilians. Note the word civilians there, 666 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,280 but even that is in dispute. So Microsoft claims in its 667 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:36,080 statement that the CEO and other executives were unaware of the 668 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,720 nature of the data being stored, although documents suggest a 669 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:44,080 2021 meeting between the chief executive and Unit 8200's 670 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,720 commander Yossi Sariel where plans to move up to 70% of 671 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:53,560 intelligence data onto So that's the Unit 82 hundreds 672 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,920 intelligence data onto Azure were discussed, according to the 673 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,960 these various reports. The revelations sparked strong 674 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,560 reactions within Microsoft. Employees protested and a group 675 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,160 called No Azure for Apartheid demanded that Microsoft cut ties 676 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,440 with the Israeli military. And Microsoft shareholders also 677 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:17,120 called for greater transparency and human rights due diligence. 678 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,960 But you'll note they didn't call for the dumping of the customer. 679 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,960 So let's just have a reminder of what 8200 is. 680 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,000 As I said in the beginning, it's Israel's signals intelligence 681 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,160 and cyber warfare agency within the IDF. 682 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,080 So it's equivalent to GCHQ or in the UK or the NSA in the United 683 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,440 States. It was set up in 1952 and 684 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,360 engages in offensive cyber warfare as well as signals 685 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,600 intelligence. It's been connected to high 686 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,440 profile operations such as the Stuxnet attack on Iran's nuclear 687 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,920 centrifuges and it has a track record of engaging in AI 688 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,400 enhanced targeting, including operations against Hamas and 689 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,520 other so-called adversaries. We might read that as civilians, 690 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,920 particularly under the leadership of Yossi Sariel we've 691 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,960 just mentioned. Now according to the World 692 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,680 Socialist website, more than 60% of its personnel are now 693 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,040 engineers or data scientists. It's established AI factories 694 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,640 and A and centralised target centre to accelerate the process 695 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,760 from data interception to act actionable targeting using AI 696 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,040 and cloud infrastructure. And so, you know, I'm going to 697 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,760 just put in here, isn't any surprise that both the UK and 698 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,680 the United States are working as fast as they can to catch up 699 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,160 because they want this as well. Now, this latest situation is 700 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,440 only scratching the surface of what they've been up to, of 701 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,360 course, because they've cultivated what is being 702 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:47,160 described as a flourishing alumni network. 8200 veterans 703 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,760 have founded or lead, and we've talked about this many times. 704 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,440 They've founded or lead prominent cyber and tech 705 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:58,360 startups like, for example, Checkpoint, Black Cube, Carbine, 706 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,320 Kanderu, Palo Alto Networks. Other former staff have moved 707 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,440 into influential roles in tech firms like Google, Microsoft, 708 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:12,440 Apple, Meta, Amazon, Open AI, NVIDIA and Israeli surveillance 709 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,200 companies. Again, many of them funded by 710 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,160 Unity 200 veterans, export offensive cyber tools worldwide. 711 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:26,040 Companies like Cognite collect telecoms data and metadata for 712 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,600 analysis. Others market biometric network 713 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,440 intelligence and spyware systems to Western agencies, including 714 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,360 law enforcement and intelligence services. 715 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,440 And there's a reporting on Friday last week immigration 716 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,120 agents in the United States will once again have access to one of 717 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,280 the what was described as one of the most sophisticated hacking 718 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,280 tools after the Trump the Trump's decision Trump regime's 719 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,240 decision, sorry to renew a contract with Paragon Solutions 720 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,680 who produce spyware product called graphite. 721 00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,640 So, you know, this is this organization is embedded 722 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,320 directly into the heart of everything that we do on the 723 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,520 Internet. It is absolutely using its 724 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,480 technology to target Palestinians and, of course, 725 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,760 hosting that on companies that Western individuals are funding 726 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,920 often. So, you know, I think we need to 727 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,360 be reconsidering where we're putting our money. 728 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,520 Indeed. Yeah. 729 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,000 Where does that take us? Back to Vanessa, I believe. 730 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:32,480 And Vanessa, some commentary on the BRICS nations. 731 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:40,240 Yes, I'm I'm going to probably ruffle a few feathers with this 732 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:44,840 short report and I'm sure it warrants further discussion in 733 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,240 extra, but I wanted to focus on a statement made by Iran's 734 00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:54,160 supreme leader Ayatollah Said Al Khamenei in the last few days 735 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,520 where he calls basically for a global economic and political 736 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,280 quarantine of the enemy, meaning Israel. 737 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,520 He encourages all Islamic and non Islamic nations. 738 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,560 And I'm assuming he's referring to Greeks nations of which Iran 739 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,640 is a member because obviously appealing to Western countries 740 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,000 isn't going to have much effect. But he appeals for them to cut 741 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,240 all trade ties, suspending port access, freezing bank 742 00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:26,280 transactions, denying energy supply and severing political 743 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:32,160 relations to bring pressure to bear to end the genocide both in 744 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,760 Gaza and, of course, in the occupied territories. 745 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:38,840 Now, I will refer people to this article that I published up at 746 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,160 the Wall Will Fall, which was written by Professor Patrick 747 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,880 Bond, I think, in November last year. 748 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,520 The blessing. You'll remember the curse and 749 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:54,000 blessing map that Netanyahu showed at the UNGA showing 750 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,760 countries within BRICS being included in the blessing. 751 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,080 And of course, Iran being included in the curse, the 752 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:07,240 blessing for genocide. Nearly all BRICS regimes nurture 753 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,800 Israel economically. Now of course, when we talk 754 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,800 about international law and all BRICS countries do make 755 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,800 statements adhering to international law and condemning 756 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,480 the worst for violating or basically shredding humanitarian 757 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,880 law, Geneva Conventions, particularly on genocide and 758 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:33,480 international law generally. Now this is a new account on X 759 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,040 that is putting out some good data on this kind of subject and 760 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,000 I do recommend following them. Yesterday they sent me this. 761 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,800 So BRICS is reshaping A multipolar world, but how are 762 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,040 they responding to Israel's genocide of Palestinians? 763 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:54,760 Our latest analysis tracks 2025 exports January to July to 764 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,640 Israel versus 2024, with critical insights. 765 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,880 Now, first of all, they summarize China and India, top 766 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,320 military suppliers to Israel, Russia, Egypt and the UAE, 767 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,040 leading energy exporters to Israel. 768 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,480 Brazil and South Africa are the ones that are kind of throttling 769 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:18,920 back on energy exports dropping in the ranking in 2025. 770 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,320 And what they say is BRICS trade patterns reveal stock divides in 771 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,040 geopolitical stances. Now I want to have a look at 772 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,960 this infograph that they oh, sorry, no, I won't. 773 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,960 I'll first of all mention recent reports in Israeli media on a 774 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,760 new deal in fact between Israel and India, who inked A bilateral 775 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,480 investment deal in New Delhi to foster trade. 776 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,600 Just one example of the collaboration between BRICS 777 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,520 nations and Israel. Not only Israel, I would also 778 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,880 mention countries like the UAE and Saudi Arabia that 779 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:59,320 historically were established by the British to actually form a 780 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,360 partnership with the Zionist entity and protect it from the 781 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,400 resistance pan Arab alliances that might threaten it in the 782 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,200 future. That's an important point to 783 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,320 make. So if we can just keep this 784 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,240 following diagram on the screen, people can zoom in on it. 785 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:18,200 But just while I I run through it because I think it's 786 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,400 important to do this, you can take your time and look more 787 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,480 deeply into the information that's included on there and in 788 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,840 the article that will be in the show notes. 789 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:33,080 But if you look left to right, you see Brazil, Russia, India, 790 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,200 China and South Africa in overall trade partnership. 791 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:42,400 Russia is #7 India is number 8 and China is number 1. 792 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,200 And China is exponentially increasing its trade partnership 793 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,280 with Israel. And that includes Chinese state 794 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,600 companies being involved in the settlement programs in the 795 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,920 occupied territories and investment in Haifa port to 796 00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:02,240 facilitate the offloading of weapons to the Israeli military. 797 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:09,240 Russia is #2IN energy supply. India #5 sorry, India and China 798 00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:13,160 are #5 and #3 respectively in war goods. 799 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,800 Now, that's quite an extraordinary statistic when one 800 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,120 considers who are the primary partners. 801 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:24,640 Of course, from an armaments perspective for Israel, China is 802 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,920 publicly saying that it's a genocide. 803 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,080 Russia and India have not publicly said that in any of 804 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,880 their statements. So I think the point is, if we 805 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:44,160 look at the ICJ ruling from July 2019, sorry 2024, all states are 806 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,120 under an obligation not to recognize as legal the situation 807 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,440 arising from the unlawful presence of the State of Israel 808 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,600 in the occupied territories of Palestine and to not render a 809 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,560 need or assistance in maintaining the situation 810 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,080 created by the criminal presence of Israel in the occupied 811 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,040 territories. This is just one ruling, of 812 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,200 course. Under the Geneva Convention, 813 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,120 every state globally has a responsibility to both prevent 814 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,600 genocide and punish the perpetrators of genocide. 815 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,040 And while nobody is advocating that BRICS countries are 816 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,760 responsible for what is happening, what we are saying is 817 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,760 that they have the power to economic automatically bring 818 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:32,320 serious pressure to bear upon Israel and to stop the genocide. 819 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,440 They have that ability and therefore I think they should be 820 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,320 held to account for not fulfilling that responsibility. 821 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,880 I struggled to to argue with that Vanessa. 822 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,840 We will we'll have a go at arguing about it in extra 823 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,400 though. And you know, it's, it is an 824 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:55,320 incredible situation, these countries without doubt doing 825 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,320 some positive things in the world, but they can't, they have 826 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,440 to be held account for whenever they're not. 827 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,840 And I think this is 1 area where they particularly because 828 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,800 they're taking such a stand with respect to international law and 829 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,880 and the West. So we'll, we'll talk more about 830 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,640 that an extra. Absolutely, Sandy. 831 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:19,920 Let's come back to UK issues then and the situation with 832 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,360 respect to Land Management and you're going to use the Somerset 833 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,400 Levels as an example. Yes, I mean, it's, it's almost 834 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,160 like it's gone full circle again. 835 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:38,280 We've got, we've got a lot of the, the Environment Agency just 836 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,800 last last month, at the end of last month announced that they 837 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,840 were not go. They couldn't afford to dredge 838 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:51,240 the, the, the, the rings and the, and, and, and the, the, the 839 00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:53,720 water courses that actually drain the Somerset Levels. 840 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:56,440 And they're not going to maintain the culverts or the 841 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,560 pumping stations because they, they don't have any money 842 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,240 apparently. Now this is what happened in 843 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,920 2014. We had a very similar time. 844 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:11,200 We'd had a drought and then than a than a, a massive spring 845 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,280 rainfall or not even spring. It was January and February when 846 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,600 it rainfall and there's a Somerset father, Somerset 847 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:24,680 farmer, father Somerset farmer who's who's, who's, who's put 848 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,520 this together very, very well that you know that the parallels 849 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,000 between 2014 and now. So if we can just listen to him 850 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,120 first, that would be great. Looking at everyone, feast your 851 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,240 eyes upon it's awesomeness. Yes, this is England's green, 852 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:44,040 pleasant land, right? Green at the moment because it 853 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,440 hasn't rained in three months. But peek to the scene. 854 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,920 Your business floods every year. It's underwater, in my case at 855 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,400 120 acres to the point where it cannot be used for anything. 856 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,760 And up until that point, business called the Environment 857 00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,800 Agency and arm of the government, or someone funded by 858 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,760 the government would say, don't worry, we'll come along and 859 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,880 we'll dig out all these big rivers for you. 860 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,640 And these, what are they called? Reins. 861 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,640 So big ditches that you might know, and we're going to help 862 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,360 maintain them so other places don't flood. 863 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,080 Taunton, Langport, Yeovil, wherever it might be. 864 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,640 Not anymore. This is going to directly affect 865 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,160 you, everybody. The EA have announced with six 866 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,520 months notice period that they have to do so. 867 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,320 When's that going to put us? Probably in the wettest part of 868 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:30,880 the year that they are no longer going to maintain about 80% of 869 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,400 the rivers and Reens that they currently do. 870 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,280 Now, EA, if I've got that wrong, please come and tell me. 871 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,760 Desperate Dan Zeichner, you head up Defra, you pay for the EA 872 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,200 Come and correct me if I'm wrong. 873 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,720 I don't want to go to Facebook prison. 874 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,520 So picture the scene, your business and I'm talking to you 875 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,480 now, general public is going to look like my business because if 876 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:55,280 I'm getting feet of water sat on the countryside at the moment 877 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,960 and that water was being removed, what is going to happen 878 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,400 now going forward? I think the government, I fear, 879 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,400 have forgotten about the floods of 10 years ago, which were 880 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,360 absolutely catastrophic for this part of the world and it's only 881 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:13,600 going to spread. Well, there, there you have it 882 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,560 straight from the, the farmer. And he's absolutely right. 883 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,320 I mean, when in 2014, I, I was actually down at, at 884 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,160 Boroughbridge sandbagging overnight when, when the floods 885 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,720 happened because the River Parrot was going to come over 886 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,160 the over the edge. And it was interesting how there 887 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,960 was no help from the British government at all at that time. 888 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,680 And people were evacuating their livestock. 889 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,920 They were, they were leaving their homes. 890 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,800 Their homes were destroyed, businesses were destroyed, farms 891 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,200 were were destroyed and and have never recovered actually. 892 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,440 And people are now living there and they're uninsurable and 893 00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:00,160 uninsured because of this, this huge flood that happened, which 894 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:05,240 covered, I think it was 65 square miles of, of, of 895 00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:08,600 Somerset. Now, when I was down there, all 896 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,120 the press were there on the, on the bridge, but no, no help at 897 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,920 all. And I met a, a journalist called 898 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,080 Christopher Booker who worked for the Telegraph. 899 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:23,800 And he, he, he published a very, very good article afterwards. 900 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,120 And it was, it was how it was a deliberate flooding of the 901 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,480 levels. And I'm absolutely convinced 902 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:35,120 he's, he's right because in this article he talks about, but it 903 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,680 was all policy decisions, deliberate policy decisions that 904 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:43,720 led to the led to the flooding. The Labour, the Labour flood 905 00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,840 minister Elliot Morley at the time in 2005. 906 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,720 He was later jailed for expenses for fraud, adopted an EU 907 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,080 habitats director, driven policy to promote flooding for wildlife 908 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,680 benefit. Dredging of the River Parrot was 909 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,960 halted due to costly EU waste rules. 910 00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:01,920 Again, same thing that's happening now. 911 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,480 And Morley also blocked a proposed pumping station at 912 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,040 Dumbo which would have allowed 24 hour flood clearance. 913 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,160 So by 2000 and eight 2009, the government and the Environment 914 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,200 Agency openly recognised that increased flooding might breach 915 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,680 property and human rights, but pressed ahead regardless. 916 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,680 And they spent 8 million to restore the floodplains. 917 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,040 So the Met Office, you know, they, they put up, they put out 918 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:34,400 a very misleading forecast of dry weather in November 2013, 919 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,800 which led to South Lake Moor being deliberately flooded, 920 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,440 obstructing water drainage when heavy, heavy rains arrived. 921 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,400 So this, this combination of blocked drainage, no pumping 922 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,520 stations and the deliberate flood storage caused the 923 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,720 devastation of these 65 square miles of Somerset. 924 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,280 Now, you know, afterwards they, they made a big thing about 925 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,280 repairing everything and they made promises that they're now 926 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,880 not keeping. Now, Christopher Booker, just to 927 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,800 let you know, did write the most amazing paper on global warming, 928 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,840 a study and group think which do look at that. 929 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,600 That's on my website. You can find it online. 930 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,760 And it's it's incredible. And he really knew what was 931 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,520 going on. So yeah, what was extraordinary 932 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,960 was there was the the lack of help from the from the British 933 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:30,080 government or any, any agencies, the the Environment Agency was 934 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,000 nowhere to be seen. But what we did find is that 935 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,680 they, they, they, they held a sort of almost like a photo 936 00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,760 shoot for the army. They, they turned up, they put a 937 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,480 few sandbags down the line and then they, they went again. 938 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,480 So there was no help. But what we did have was help 939 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,240 from a Sikh agency and they were called Khalsa, and they were 940 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,160 amazing people. They worked through the night 941 00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,200 sandbagging and doing, you know, doing really, really good, good 942 00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,160 work, helping the people of Somerset. 943 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,000 And they're flown in from the Haiti earthquake to do that. 944 01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,200 So it just shows you that what a third world country we're 945 01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,920 becoming. And that was in 2014. 946 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,080 So I just want to highlight what I found out, because when I was 947 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,840 down there with Christopher Booker, he did say look at 948 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,760 policy. C6 of the Environment Agency 949 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,800 because I spoke to him and he he confirmed that it was Agenda 21, 950 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,160 which it was then it wasn't even Agenda 2030. 951 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,000 He said this has all been put together by policy and have a 952 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:39,200 look at Policy 6 now that pink area on Policy 6 is the area 953 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:45,200 that got flooded and that that area was designated in 1997 by 954 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:51,200 Baroness Young from the Ramsar Treaty of Wetlands Diversity 955 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:57,240 wetlands in the Ram in Ramsar in 1971 under an EU directive for 956 01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,840 biodiversity and wading birds to flood certain areas of the 957 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,440 world. And that particular area was 958 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,840 flooded. So it was, it was fulfilling, 959 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,280 fulfilling that, and it was for biodiversity. 960 01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,640 So what's what we're finding now is that Somerset is flooding 961 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,360 again. They're telling us, they're 962 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,840 warning us and this, this particular picture is quite 963 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,720 emotive. This is what we're getting at 964 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,040 the consultations about flooding and how to have resilience 965 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,200 against flooding in Somerset again. 966 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,760 And I think we'll have the next slide, which is, yeah, this is 967 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,040 how you have to ensure your house against flooding, you 968 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:43,320 know, put your TV on the wall, you know, sort of build up your 969 01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,640 front step, have sandbags. All of this is, is, is, is being 970 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,040 not, let's not, let's, let's put the infrastructure in to stop it 971 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,240 flooding. It's what we can do for 972 01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:54,760 resilience. So it's a deliberate thing. 973 01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,800 It's going to happen again. And the next slide is, is really 974 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:02,880 about their their recruiting flood wardens to help with this. 975 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,640 You know, it's community involvement. 976 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,760 Get the flood wardens out. Yes, that's what they'll do. 977 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,680 And I'm just looking at the, some of the NGOs that are, are, 978 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,040 are really funding this. And they're, they're, it's all 979 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,080 green NGOs. And you'll find that flag the 980 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,440 the one there which is the, I can't even remember what the 981 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,160 acronym is. I think I've got another slide. 982 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,240 These are all the NGOs that that deal with it. 983 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:31,840 And it's, yeah, the flag is the, I can't remember, sorry, I 984 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,680 should remember this. But anyway, it's a very, they're 985 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:39,800 very, it's a very green NGO that promotes planting of trees and 986 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,720 building little dams to stop the water. 987 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,400 Now you can't plant trees and hedgerows at this stage because 988 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,760 it's too late. We're we're going to flood this 989 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,000 year coming. You know, we're going to flood. 990 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,200 And I'm seeing that this is all part again. 991 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,720 I'm, I'm linking all this up to the 17 goals. 992 01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:01,160 And this is two goals. There's life on land, which is, 993 01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:06,160 which is really all about climate change and, and, and 994 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,200 mitigating things with green initiatives, but not with proper 995 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,640 infrastructure. And we've, we've got another 996 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,760 one, which is obviously climate action. 997 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,120 Everything is blamed on climate change. 998 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,240 Carbon and life processes become the new global currency. 999 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,520 Everything is blamed on climate change. 1000 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:29,240 And this will be so we've we've just got another history 1001 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,640 repeating itself and another destruction of British farmland. 1002 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,720 Thank you for that, Sandy. OK, we'll, we'll see what 1003 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,560 happens over the winter, but as you said earlier, it's, it's 1004 01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:44,640 looking like the forecast is for quite a wet winter after a very 1005 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,320 dry year. So yeah, I'm quite certain that 1006 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,880 you're absolutely right on this. Well, look, we've got to leave 1007 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,040 it there for today. Thanks to Brian, to Sandy, and 1008 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,560 to Vanessa. Did you have something you 1009 01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,040 wanted to add? 1 ticket left. 1010 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,640 There is one on location ticket left. 1011 01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,040 Who is going to be the lucky person who gets that? 1012 01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,080 We will give you a hug. 1 ticket left. 1013 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,240 Now you've heard it. It's it's been on. 1014 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,440 It's been on the news. Now you're going to get a hug. 1015 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:15,880 When you go, you're going to come. 1016 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:16,880 Whether you like it or not, you're. 1017 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,200 Going to find Brian, and you've got to demand your hug for the 1018 01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,400 last person, the person who buys the last ticket. 1019 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,080 OK, We do have to leave it there. 1020 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,720 Thank you very much, Vanessa, Sandy, Brian. 1021 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,240 And we'll be back in a few minutes for extra thanks for 1022 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:31,520 joining us. Bye bye. 1023 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:31,960 Bye bye.