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Well, thank you, Neil, for 
joining me today. 

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My, my guest today is Neil 
Oliver, who's currently a 

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broadcaster for GB News and 
yourself, obviously your own 

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stuff. 
And I'm really, really delighted

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to have you today on UK column 
and, and just, it's just really 

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good that you've you've you've 
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So. 
Yeah, my pleasure. 

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Lots of wonderful questions for 
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SO tell me I, I just wondered, 
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done a lot of history stuff and 
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all, I mean, I used to be a 
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You know, that wonderful news 
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And you know, you're obviously 
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and you love the history of of 
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whole of the UK, the British 
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So tell me what, what, when did 
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to doing what you're doing now? 
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that big wake up call? 
What happened? 

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Oh my goodness, Harry, thanks 
for, thank you for making time 

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for me. 
I'm, I'm always one of the great

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pleasures of the last few years 
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different, the number of 
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organisations that, that, that 
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So I'm always enthused by the 
prospect of another 

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conversation, especially when 
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that conversation will bring. 
So it's lovely to be with you. 

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And that one question you've 
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me to, I could talk for the next
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Go. 
Ahead. 

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But no, I as you say, I mean I 
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1st place right by accident 
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I didn't mean I didn't. 
It was never my ambition. 

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I studied archaeology. 
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I did various jobs over the 
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And then I happened to be, I was
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up an excavation of a 
battlefield in South Africa that

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I didn't sort of like downtime, 
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stuff. 
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And that was in 19981999 and, 
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to the attention of a, of a, of 
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And Long story short, I stumbled
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and start, I started, I made a 
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in a Trench about archaeology. 
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so, and then everything else 
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So that had been accidental 
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And I did it for, I don't know, 
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years or maybe a bit less than 
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about archaeology and history 
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and so on and so on. 
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else really, I got then the 2020
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happened, you know, everything 
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really been making most of my 
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theatres. 
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the obviously all the theatres 
closed and I was like washed up.

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But what you know how I'm 
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I can't work at the what am I 
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Because I didn't have any money.
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I was, I was anxious about what 
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And I started, I got an 
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I honestly don't remember how, 
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was talk radio, which was a, you
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what it sounds like. 
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approached me. 
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written something, maybe in what
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Times. 
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there. 
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invited me on as a regular 
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I used to, I used to talk to 
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would chew the fat of the day 
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And then at the at the time and 
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out, GB News was a fledgling. 
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launched. 
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And the team that were that were
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because they had, and it was 
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being opinionated on Mike 
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of hosts, presenters, whatever 
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to what I was seeing. 
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out about being anti lockdown, 
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about what we were being told 
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everything else. 
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years, I had picked up some of 
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controversy. 
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Oh God, when was it 2014? 
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referendum on whether or not 
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the United Kingdom. 
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opinion about that in a sun in 
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broadsheet. 
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that I I didn't like the idea. 
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United Kingdom. 
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Flack for that, didn't you? 
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That was really, that was really
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very much a sort of a, you know,
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establishment fixture at that 
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You know, I was most of my telly
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It was very gentle stuff. 
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was never controversial. 
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quite a light, you know, on 
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spokesperson for various 
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happen to you when you've got, 
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on telepresenting, various 
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you know, a known face that they
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So I was a, you know, I was a 
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fixture. 
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referendum sort of threw me into
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I was suddenly, you know, I was,
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wanted Scottish independence and
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controversial figure persisted 
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and I said what I said and I 
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since. 
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have anything to do with, I've 
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You know, I don't have my 
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I don't have my agent. 
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I represent. 
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president of the National Trust 
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I was, I was, I was a, a fellow 
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Edinburgh and all of these 
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of by now. 
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am where I am. 
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keep up your, your spirit strong
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censorship and isolation and, 
and the corruption that's around

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you? 
How do you keep your spirits up?

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Well, I don't really think about
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I suppose I've always I'm, you 
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married. 
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together a very long time. 
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were teenagers. 
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the same page as me. 
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happily. 
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back our position as well. 
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they're growing up now. 
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her early 20s and my youngest is
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enough to make their own, to 
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significant matters. 
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because I have their approval, I
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You know, I'm not doing this on 
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You know, when I say thing and 
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and opinion and the brick bats 
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I, I'm in a, I'm in an 
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and supported by my, by my 
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fundamental. 
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what I'm saying. 
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I'm, I'm certain I'm right, not,
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And I get, you know, I'm, I'm 
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dates wrong and you know, and 
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fundamentally down. 
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I think, I think it resonates 
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because what I'm saying is, is 
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Yeah, and, and I mean you, 
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when you were presenting your 
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come from a very human story and
you touch, I don't know, there's

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something about you that you 
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on some, on some level. 
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of your, your amazing success is
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And, and that that's what people
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a, from a background that, you 
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population can can identify 
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You know, I'm from a, from an, I
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working class family, a loving 
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dad with two Big Sisters. 
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You know, I, I, I was the only 
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uni and, you know, and, and you 
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I live in an, an ordinary 
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regular folk all the time, going
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buying food, dropping the kids 
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There's nothing remarkable about
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You just, you're just. 
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And so I'm liable to articulate 
what, yeah, a, a not a majority,

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but I, I, it's a good big chunk 
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come from my background have 
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life and they want to hear the 
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I'm not, I'm not, I'm not seeing
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That's, you know, I'm not 
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I'm just seeing and people, it 
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they think, yeah, that's that's 
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machine. 
How in your experience, are you 

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seeing narratives being shaped 
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before, say, COVID-19 or 
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what was really going on? 
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as gold, as gullible, as 
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I was never part of it was, I 
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journalist for a few years and I
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never really. 
Yeah, it wasn't my, I did it for

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a while and then I, I moved on, 
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I spent, you know, a couple of 
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My focus was always things like 
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of esoterica, I suppose. 
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in stuff that was a bit, you 
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know, a bit niche maybe. 
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attention to politics for the, 
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I just, I knew that whatever, 
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out there, the government, the, 
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the, the council, the civil 
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about it very much. 
I was just, I was just in a, a 

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state of slumber. 
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were just out there, probably 
whatever the, whatever the 

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ideology was, they were, they 
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at heart. 
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mindset of just, you know, too 
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over here to, to, to spend too 
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the Labour Party were doing or 
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were all, I think many, many 
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the, the, the development of the
Internet. 

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flowering really in the 90s. 
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about ourselves. 
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that had never been possible 
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that, oh, they think they're 
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And it was incredibly fertile. 
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the 20 teens and so on, the, 
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newspapers, a few TV channels 
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they, they knew what was it. 
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full flowering, which is where 
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And that has changed everything.
It changed everything for me and

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it's changed everything for many
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you know, another massive step. 
How do you how do you feel about

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the the the March of AI at the 
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Well, I'm not really. 
I'm not worried about it. 

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This is my point. 
I'm not good at quick answers, 

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but there's a quick answer for 
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Yeah, I don't. 
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intelligence is fast and it's 
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everything that's ever been 
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nanoseconds. 
It does that, absolutely. 

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But it's, it's dependent upon 
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of human beings. 
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live inside the body of a whale.
There's been plenty to eat, but 

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only because there was a whale. 
It it's, it's cannibalizing 

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everything, but it's only fast. 
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It's not like us. 
It it's not human consciousness.

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I don't think I, I don't it'll 
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never be us. 
It won't be the same as us. 

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And I'm not, I'm not worried 
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when my dad came home one night 
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this thing that could we were 
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and my dad was showing us how 
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I realized as a six year old 
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thing that my dad could hold in 
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computers. 
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can do what they do infinitely 
faster than me or or anybody 

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else. 
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personally by AI than I feel 
threatened by a crane that can 

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lift a tent on block. 
I can't move. 

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of what it's like to be human 
and what do you think's at stake

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with, with the, you know, the 
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you've got AI and genetic 
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surveillance convergence? 
I mean, do do you feel that is a

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threat to humanity itself 
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the, the, the, the merging of 
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transhumanism because we know 
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So do you feel that that could 
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human condition at least? 
Yeah. 

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It's, it's an alternative. 
We, we don't have anything. 

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I, you, you can feel it if you 
choose to. 

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I, I don't, I'm not, I'm not 
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I, I'm interested in what humans
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of. 
I'm interested in the, you know,

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you know, we're, we're carbon. 
You know, the artificial 

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intelligence is silica. 
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different thing. 
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we've even begun to exploit the 
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consciousness, but human 
potential full stop. 

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I don't think we're, I think 
we're just across the threshold 

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of, of all of that potential. 
And we've been exploiting 

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technology for a very long time 
to enable us better to do the 

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things that we want to do 
without sacrificing our 

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humanity. 
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suppose there might be, maybe 
there are people out there who 

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want to bond with machines. 
Maybe they want to bond in that 

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transhumanism way that you're 
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Maybe they want to become a 
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the technological. 
I personally don't. 

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So do you think it it will be a 
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be not a choice to do so the way
that digital Idi mean? 

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We know that digital ID is 
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Well, it's all the 
infrastructure is already there,

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isn't it? 
So yeah, I mean that that is 

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worrying. 
I don't think digital ID will 

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work. 
No, I've got I Really. 

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Don't. 
I mean, I think, you know, I 

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think the, the announcement of 
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very suspicious about it and I 
just don't, I'm not I, I used to

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worry about digital ID before 
Keir Starmer announced it was 

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coming. 
And somehow or other instantly I

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wasn't worried about it anymore.
It was a bit like, you know, 

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waiting for the punch and then, 
you know, the blow comes and you

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think, oh, well, you know, I can
live with that. 

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And it's not so bad. 
It's not the end of the world. 

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And I, I, I refuse to, I refuse 
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of digital feudalism. 
I know it's, it's the, I know 

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the intention is out there, but 
I, I believe it will fail. 

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I wouldn't, I wouldn't put a 
time on it. 

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I mean, people quite often come 
at me and say you want me to. 

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You must get it as well to some 
extent. 

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I mean, if you, if you offer an 
opinion about something, people 

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quite often will immediately 
respond with, yes, yes, I 

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understand that. 
But what am I supposed to do? 

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I don't know. 
That's up to you. 

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You know, what what you want to 
do is is up to you. 

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I'm not really in the I'm not 
really in the advice business. 

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You know, I've voiced my opinion
about things, but I'm not, I'm 

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not, I'm not entitled to tell 
other people what they should 

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think and what, how they should 
respond. 

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I'm just, I just run off at the 
mouth about what I think, but I,

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I don't, I believe that whether 
it, whether it lasts, whether it

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takes years or whatever time 
frame, it will fail. 

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And I believe that there will be
a point in the future where 

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historians will look back on 
this phase that we're going 

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through at the moment with, you 
know, with the, you know, 

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they'll raise their hands in 
astonishment about what was 

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contemplated and, and what 
people were invited to fear and 

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to and to believe that they 
would be controlled by. 

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I don't believe it will work, 
no. 

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I I, I kind of get what you're 
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it was, it was kind of quite 
good. 

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Was it last week? 
It was a bit, the days go so 

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quickly when everything went 
down, you know, that Amazon went

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down and I, I know Amazon, yeah,
Zoom or anything. 

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And a, a lot of the, the 
supermarkets, you know, had to 

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revert cash and it was almost 
like, Oh my goodness, this is, 

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we need more of this. 
This is, this is fantastic. 

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This is where you can see how 
all of this could breakdown in a

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in a heartbeat. 
I mean. 

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Everyone, I mean, that's, that's
another, that's another aspect 

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of it. 
People are so familiar now with 

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the hackability of technology. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I mean, it's, it's, it's, we 
know that a, a platform or 

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whatever is no sooner goes live 
than the hackers hack it. 

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Yeah. 
There's a, there's a 

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technological arms race running 
at all times and everything gets

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hacked. 
You know there's data breaches. 

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Yeah, somewhere every more of 
it's happening all the time. 

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The the Amazon Web Services 
failure. 

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I'd I mean, I I don't even know.
Did anyone say what happened to 

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it? 
I don't know. 

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They just I. 
Don't know. 

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I don't know. 
Did they? 

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Just switch it off and switch it
on again I mean I I don't know 

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or was it a hack? 
I don't know, but we we know 

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about people are people know 
that if all their eggs are put 

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in one basket, that it's 
inviting techno disaster. 

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Yeah. 
If, if they ever got their 

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digital IDCBDC 24 hour 
surveillance digital cage up and

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running, it would be leaking 
like a sieve. 

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Yeah. 
Within nanoseconds of it going 

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live, yeah. 
People's data, you know, would 

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be being ripped out and hacked 
and and sold off and traded and 

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instantly, well, it's such a 
it's such a disaster. 

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If they got it up and running, 
it would be so disastrous that 

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it would fall under the weight 
of its own hubris. 

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And, and also the reliance on 
all this data has to be stored 

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somewhere. 
And they're trying to put up 

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these data centres all over the 
UK. 

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And these data centres, I mean, 
there was a wonderful a protest 

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about it on Saturday in, in 
Liverpool where the, you know, 

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that the people are really 
wising up to, to the fact that 

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these data centres have to be 
built to support the digital ID 

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and everything else in the 
health data and all the stuff 

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that they're, they're, they're 
harvesting from from us, the 

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human beings. 
And in fact, if they can't build

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these data centres quick enough,
it's not going to happen, even 

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if. 
They can't. 

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We've been. 
We've been. 

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We have less and less access to 
meaningful energy in this 

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country. 
Yeah. 

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Exactly. 
You know, it's all, it's all the

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nonsense of, of Agenda 2030 and 
all the, you know, all Ed 

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Miliband's wet dreams of 
whatever and the we know it's 

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common knowledge. 
I hear people say all the time 

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an AI search takes 8 times as 
much energy as a, as a 

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convention, you know, the kind 
of Google searches that we were 

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all so familiar with doing. 
It's all sucking on energy. 

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Yeah. 
And, and all these data, all 

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these, all these, all these data
centres, all these server farms 

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upon which all of this data sits
and has to be serviced around 

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the clock with, with diesel 
generators on takeover all the 

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time. 
Because you know, if, if an 

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electricity supply were to 
switch up, so they need to have 

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backup all the time. 
Yes, it's it's the cut. 

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It's going to collapse under its
own weight. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And, and do you think the global

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elite or I don't like calling 
them the elite? 

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Do you think they've overplayed 
their hand in some ways? 

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Oh, yeah. 
And they're not winning this 

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this, this narrative. 
We can, definitely. 

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There's too many people watching
this like some kind of awful 

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soap opera. 
It's not happening like that. 

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That period of slumber that I, 
that I spoke about a few minutes

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ago, no longer prevails for too 
many people. 

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People are watching it. 
Yeah. 

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You know, something like 
whatever, you know, you. 

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JFK was shot dead in Dallas in 
63. 

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And it's only really been quite 
recently that it's become 

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acceptable to say what really, 
you know, that he was definitely

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not shot by a lone gunman. 
That was a lifetime of, of the I

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mean, the very idea of 
suggesting that that conspiracy 

443
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,400
had been behind what had 
happened to JFK was, you know, 

444
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,800
was, was an athlete. 
You you're called a crank for 

445
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,520
doing it. 
And that, that prevailed as soon

446
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,880
as something happens now seconds
later on social media, whatever 

447
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,480
people don't allow you see 
what's happened there. 

448
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,560
Yeah, Look at the Charlie Kirk 
event, which I'm only prepared 

449
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,880
to call an event. 
I have no idea in truth, what 

450
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,760
happened that day. 
I, I wouldn't even I wouldn't be

451
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,080
confident in saying what what 
took place in that university 

452
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,800
campus in that moment. 
But I don't know what happened 

453
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,640
there at all. 
And that has been being pulled 

454
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,040
apart since the, you know, well,
the, well, the echo of the, of 

455
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,480
the, of the gunshot, you know, 
we're still reverberating off 

456
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,120
the structures. 
We're living. 

457
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:36,880
It's. 
Too, there's too many people, 

458
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,440
too many people paying too much 
attention. 

459
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,440
And and so the so the, the soap,
yeah, the elite. 

460
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,040
I mean, just use the word. 
It doesn't really matter. 

461
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,080
It's just shorthanded. 
We know who we're talking about.

462
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,440
They have overplayed everything.
I I think they over, I think 

463
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,280
they went for it in 2016. 
But Trudy said to me at the 

464
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,840
time, or she she said not long 
after she said, you know, the, 

465
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,040
the, the Brexit vote. 
And I'm not, I'm not even 

466
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,120
offering an opinion on whoever 
thought that was a good idea or 

467
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:06,440
a bad idea. 
The Brexit vote and the Trump 

468
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,960
election in 2016. 
Again, I'm not taking a stance 

469
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,960
on, you know, whatever that's 
what happened. 

470
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,760
Brexit vote. 
Trump truly says everything 

471
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,240
that's happened since has been a
punishment beating because those

472
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,600
two events were not supposed to 
happen, you know? 

473
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,200
Yeah. 
And in, in that, in that moment,

474
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,520
the, the, the elites panicked, 
yes, because, you know, because 

475
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,640
the, you know, the, the, the 
prisoners in the, in the, in 

476
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,640
the, in the camp, you know, 
escaped for a minute and did 

477
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,040
something they weren't supposed 
to do. 

478
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,320
And all the effort then was to 
get them, get them back in the, 

479
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,800
get them back in the compound, 
get them back inside, get them 

480
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,840
shut down. 
I think also the, we know that 

481
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:51,400
we know that the, the, the, the 
financial cycle lasts about a 

482
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,840
century and then it, it falls 
under its own corruption really.

483
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,440
And we're at the end of a, we're
at the end of a financial cycle 

484
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,480
that's been running since 
whatever early part of the 20th 

485
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,520
century, probably. 
And it's, it's falling apart and

486
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:11,080
that the elites have to reset it
to, you know, sort of perpetuate

487
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,400
the status quo that they enjoy. 
And I think, I think something, 

488
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,800
if you're asking me, I think 
something happened around 2019, 

489
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,880
2018-2019. 
It was some sort of something 

490
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:27,560
existential emerged that 
threatened their plans, and they

491
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,600
had to. 
What they did with the with the 

492
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,640
fake pandemic was a desperate 
attempt to buy themselves time 

493
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,320
it. 
Was it was they needed to. 

494
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,680
They needed they needed to 
switch off the economy. 

495
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,040
Get get, get. 
Let's just take a pause here, 

496
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,720
they thought. 
And so we were all locked down 

497
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,960
and, you know, panic, panic, 
panic scammed emic and then 

498
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,480
that, you know, and then the 
horror show for it pushed into a

499
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,160
billion people's arms and all of
the rest of it was a is a was a 

500
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,800
desperate attempt by that, by 
the, you know, by the elites to 

501
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,680
buy themselves some time. 
And I I genuinely think that 

502
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:08,360
what looks so it has looked so 
unusually chaotic since about 

503
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,320
2020. 
It's been frantic as never 

504
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,840
before. 
I mean, most of us look around 

505
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,960
at the world at the moment we 
go. 

506
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,920
What on earth is going on? 
The world has finally gone mad. 

507
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,040
Well, that's it has because 
there's a desperate attempt 

508
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:31,560
going on to maintain or regain 
control and they don't have it. 

509
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,400
And in the in the, in all the 
ongoing desperation to try and 

510
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,800
get the reset and to get things 
the way they want. 

511
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,320
We can see them. 
You know, the mask is dropped 

512
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,440
and we've we've seen them 
scuttling about you. 

513
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,360
So how? 
What do you see? 

514
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,680
What do you think the future 
looks like? 

515
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,280
I mean, if you've got so you've 
got these global elites 

516
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,800
panicking to, to, to, to, you 
know, to, to keep that control 

517
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,480
and keep it all in, in, you 
know, under, under their, under 

518
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,640
their jurisdiction. 
And and yet you've got a, an 

519
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:09,400
increasingly, you know, 
awakening, you know, world who 

520
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,320
are pushing back against that. 
How do you see, you know, what 

521
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,000
is what does freedom look like 
in the 21st century when you've 

522
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,760
got all of that going on? 
What? 

523
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,400
How do? 
How does that look like do you 

524
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,640
think? 
I generally, I mean, I come and 

525
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,680
go on this, but most of the time
I, I think we're not dealing 

526
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:34,200
with one coordinated group. 
The analogy I'm much more 

527
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,040
comfortable with most of the 
time is of competing crime 

528
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,840
families. 
You know, I think there are 

529
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,400
various, the world is criminal 
and corrupt. 

530
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,880
We, we live in a corrupt and 
criminal world. 

531
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,040
Unlawful. 
The whole things are financial 

532
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,400
fraud. 
It's it's, you know, the, the, 

533
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,400
the currencies are, are Ponzi 
schemes and all of the rest of 

534
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,400
it. 
And I think that are there are 

535
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,560
multiple syndicates that that 
sometimes basically they're, 

536
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,160
they're on the same page because
they want to keep us where 

537
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,360
they've got us and they want to 
continue to exploit the 

538
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,440
potential of, of control. 
But I think there's degrees of 

539
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,680
disagreement and and competition
between different crime 

540
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,320
syndicates. 
It's like a godfather, you know,

541
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,920
it's like, it's not just there's
not just one top table that's 

542
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,080
got total control. 
I don't think so, no. 

543
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,160
I. 
Think you're right. 

544
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,120
I think that there, there is a 
sort of, you know, you, you've 

545
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,840
got, you've got your technocrats
and you've got your, your 

546
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,560
globalists and you've got 
various other almost mafia like 

547
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,000
controllers and they're, they're
all vying for, for, for control.

548
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,600
So it's not as you say, it's 
not. 

549
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,080
We, we talk about multipolarity,
you know, we talk about, you 

550
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,040
know, the, the hegemony of the 
West collapsing and it's, you 

551
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,240
know, it's no longer just the 
West, the USA, NATO, what you 

552
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,800
want to call that entity calling
all the shots. 

553
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,040
You know, there's a there's, 
there's, there's multipolar, 

554
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,040
there's, there's other groups 
that economically and 

555
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,800
ideologically have have got 
themselves into a position to 

556
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,720
compete. 
So there's, there's more than 

557
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,240
one dog in the fight, you know, 
so you're, so you're watching 

558
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,880
that, watching that play out. 
You know, I think, I think 

559
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,080
whatever is on the other side of
the Atlantic can't really be 

560
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,120
bothered with the war in Ukraine
anymore. 

561
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,480
And I think that, but I think 
the, the, the globalists in 

562
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,600
Europe desperately need that war
to continue. 

563
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,560
So there's a, there's a 
difference of opinion and 

564
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,640
different appetites at play 
there. 

565
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,040
The, the, the entity on the 
other side of the Atlantic wants

566
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,640
something else, the EU and, and 
the, and the, and the globalist,

567
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,400
whatever entity there wants to 
perpetuate that war because it's

568
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,640
all they've got. 
If they don't have that war, 

569
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,280
then they're the potential to. 
Bankers need wars and it's a 

570
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,240
proxy war at the end of the day.
It's a very, very odd almost, 

571
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,360
you know, it's, it's definitely 
a, a war for the 21st this 

572
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,440
century because it's, it's so, 
yeah, it's not like a a real 

573
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,840
war. 
I, when you see what's the 20% 

574
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,000
or what's the future going to be
and what's the 21st century 

575
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:13,240
going to look like, I think that
we have to deal with the reality

576
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,680
that the problems we face have 
been generations in the making 

577
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,560
and there'll be generations in 
the fixing. 

578
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,680
Yeah, I, I mean, I'm, I'm not 
confident of seeing anything 

579
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,720
fixed in my lifetime, but 
there's I think what, what is 

580
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,920
happening or what has happened 
is a realization by enough 

581
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,400
people that the such that we're 
that we're living with something

582
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,320
rotten. 
I think people are aware in 

583
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,200
different levels, but so many 
people have got at least the 

584
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,480
notion that the system that we 
have is broken. 

585
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,160
It's fundamentally not serving 
us. 

586
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,560
You know, I think, I think 
there's a realisation out there 

587
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,760
that really we should be living 
in a time of plenty. 

588
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,760
The, the, the fear and the, and 
the suggestion of scarcity 

589
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,320
that's out there. 
I mean, I put this out on social

590
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,400
media just yesterday or 
something. 

591
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,040
This, this idea that there's, 
there's not enough energy or 

592
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,600
there's not enough food or 
there's too many people. 

593
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,840
That whole Malthusian thing 
that, that, that thing that 

594
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,360
boils down to there being not 
enough to go around is just not 

595
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,400
true. 
It's a, it's a, it's a fiction. 

596
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,320
It's a cynical fiction that's 
that's maintained and 

597
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,560
perpetuated because it it it, it
affords the the powerful people,

598
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,480
you know, the control, the 
control that they need. 

599
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,679
I think plenty of people are 
realizing that it doesn't have 

600
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,639
to be that way. 
And I think we're we could be, 

601
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:49,600
we could. 
I think if I'm being optimistic,

602
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,600
we could be on the cusp of 
apocalypse. 

603
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,320
Apocalypse being, you know, the 
awakening, the revelation, Yeah,

604
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,800
the drawing aside of a, of a 
curtain of obfuscation and 

605
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,000
illusion to to to reveal 
reality. 

606
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,600
I think we're, I think that is, 
that is potentially there. 

607
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,800
And you do, you do find yourself
straying into territory where 

608
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,480
you need to sort of slightly 
uncomfortable and unfamiliar 

609
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,840
vocabulary. 
Yeah. 

610
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,560
You have to talk about 
spirituality and you have to 

611
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,560
talk about what it is to be 
human and alive. 

612
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,840
And you have to, you know, what 
is real value? 

613
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,800
What does freedom even mean? 
Freedom's always held up as just

614
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,960
that. 
You know, it's just the, you 

615
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,360
know, great, fantastic. 
You know, everybody wants 

616
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,320
freedom. 
Freedom's actually an onerous 

617
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,680
responsibility. 
You to be to accept freedom is 

618
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,360
to take responsibility for 
yourself and the consequences of

619
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,120
your actions. 
And an awful lot of people, what

620
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,440
they really want is to be held 
by the hand and LED. 

621
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,360
They say they want freedom, but 
really what they want is, is 

622
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,320
confinement with benefits. 
Yeah. 

623
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,400
Or, or a kind of a fur line. 
A fur line sell with with 

624
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,120
broadband. 
Freedom. 

625
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,720
Freedom is what you know, Kris 
Kristofferson said freedom's 

626
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,680
just another word for nothing, 
left to lose. 

627
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,160
And absolutely. 
I was just going to say also, 

628
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,760
you know, you once said that 
courage is courageous. 

629
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,760
How do we make truth as 
courageous as fear? 

630
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,960
Because you know, we, we have 
got a lot of courageous people 

631
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,320
like yourself, like, you know, 
myself and other, other 

632
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,240
colleagues who stand up and 
really, you know, tell the 

633
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:24,120
truth. 
But there's so much fear and 

634
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,120
it's getting over that, that 
fear. 

635
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,680
What you know the the fear is 
how we are manipulated and, and,

636
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,880
and how how they how they 
ultimately will win this battle.

637
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,880
Again, I, I feel, I've, I feel 
it goes, but it's, it goes back 

638
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,960
to fundamentals. 
I've, I at the moment struggle 

639
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,240
to maintain an interest in the 
forensic analysis of the state 

640
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:53,880
of the nation. 
I feel as if I've got enough, I 

641
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,400
understand and I forgot what 
happened in the last five years 

642
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,720
that you know, I, I don't, I 
don't feel the need to get any 

643
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,920
more detail. 
I've got the gist of what 

644
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,240
happened and I've got the gist 
of what's going on, you know, 

645
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,600
without minutely unpicking every
last thread of it. 

646
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,600
I mean, that's for other people 
to do. 

647
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,160
That's not particularly the way 
that that I am wired up. 

648
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,080
But when I talk about going back
to fundamentals, you know, I'm 

649
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:27,160
interested in, you know, common 
law, I'm interested in natural 

650
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,920
law. 
What is being done? 

651
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,160
The fear is part of it. 
What is being done, what is 

652
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:42,040
being pursued by a very tiny 
psychopathic anti human minority

653
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,760
is against the natural law? 
Yeah, I was going to ask you 

654
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,760
that question. 
You know, do, do you believe in 

655
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,080
a divine natural law that will 
somehow be will, you know, will 

656
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,000
give people the, the means to 
unpick all this? 

657
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,360
You know, because it's very 
difficult. 

658
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,600
I mean, and you once said also 
that totalitarianism doesn't 

659
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,960
come unannounced. 
You know, are we missing 

660
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,360
anything here? 
You know, are we missing any of 

661
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:13,320
the cues or the clues to, to 
really almost, you know, there's

662
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,480
two questions there. 
Do you clearly believe in 

663
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,720
natural law? 
Do you think that that there 

664
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:22,520
will be a divine hand that will 
unpick all this by by by simply 

665
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,640
by natural law? 
Well, when you, you talk about a

666
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,840
divine hand, you know, that's 
sort of, I don't feel the need 

667
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,640
to, as it were, anthropomorphize
natural law. 

668
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,240
No, I what, what I do believe 
without actually having to 

669
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:44,640
imagine a, a person. 
You know, I believe that the, 

670
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,160
the, the universe has our wants 
the best for us. 

671
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,000
Otherwise, I don't think there 
would be anything, you know, 

672
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,000
why, why NFA? 
It's difficult to it's difficult

673
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,800
to have these conversations. 
I mean, it's fun to have these 

674
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,600
conversations, Sandy, but it's 
also difficult to have them 

675
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,200
without sounding like some kind 
of an, you know, you know, 

676
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,200
straying into sort of new age 
nut case territory, You know, 

677
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,200
and by that I mean no 
pejorative, but I'm as much of A

678
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,760
nut case as the next person. 
But what, what I what I mean is 

679
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:20,080
that I believe that the universe
wants the best for us, existence

680
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,680
wants the best for us, and that 
what is being imposed by the 

681
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,280
psychopathic minority is an 
inversion of the natural law. 

682
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,520
I've, I've said before, I feel 
it's a bit like holding a, a 

683
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,600
beach ball under the surface of 
the sea. 

684
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,120
Yeah, you can, you can do it for
as long as you've got the energy

685
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,280
to hold under the water. 
But the ball wants to be 

686
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,000
somewhere else, and eventually 
it will go there because that's 

687
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,760
in the natural order. 
Yeah. 

688
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,960
This, this has been everything. 
That's all we, what we see 

689
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,880
around us are corruptions and 
perversions, inversions of the 

690
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,320
way things ought to be and the 
way things could be. 

691
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,240
And I believe that we will get 
back the natural order. 

692
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,440
The natural law will reassert 
itself. 

693
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,760
Hmm. 
Yeah, I, yes, I, I agree with 

694
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,280
you on that one. 
I think that's the only thing 

695
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:19,040
that keeps me going actually. 
Because, yeah, I mean, we on the

696
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,680
face of it, if you, if you look 
at at what's going on right now,

697
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:29,160
take a snapshot of the UK right 
now and it, it is so mad and so 

698
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,000
dystopian and, and all sorts of 
things are going on that are 

699
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,000
just clearly not right. 
I mean it's. 

700
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,880
Very confronting. 
It's very confronting. 

701
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,800
I mean, I'm talking about 
freedom being, you know, quite, 

702
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,760
quite a difficult thing to 
contemplate and that it ought, 

703
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,920
you know, not to be taken 
lightly. 

704
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,040
When, when you know, we're, 
we're seeing clearly the, the, 

705
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,480
you know, all the stuff around, 
see the, the rape gangs and the 

706
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,440
grooming gangs and whatever. 
And people are rightly, I mean, 

707
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,000
whatever emotion second, 
enraged, appalled, demanding 

708
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,560
justice. 
All of that is right. 

709
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,920
But I think what the, the, the, 
the perversion, the, the 

710
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,000
corruption of the natural order 
of the natural law. 

711
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,080
That's that's manifest in that 
behaviour, that all that's 

712
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,760
happening at the moment is it 
we're pretending that it's, we 

713
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,800
know exactly where it is and who
did it. 

714
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,640
And I think unhappily and 
uncomfortably that abuse of 

715
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,760
children, that behaviour is, is 
endemic and rife. 

716
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,920
I think it's through the flesh 
of Britain. 

717
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:37,680
Like, like, like, like, you 
know, like fat through neat, 

718
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,120
like the lettering through 
Blackpool Rock. 

719
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:45,760
It's all the way through from 
the highest to the lowest, you 

720
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,720
know, and without naming names, 
I believe that the highest and 

721
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,920
the most powerful are engaged in
that behaviour, have been 

722
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,640
engaged in that behaviour at 
some level at some time. 

723
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,400
That is, it's prevalent and it's
there and it's uncomfortable to 

724
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,680
confront that the corruption, 
the corruption in our society 

725
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,800
is. 
And when I, when I talk about, 

726
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,720
you know, the responsibility, 
we're, we're all sadly kind of 

727
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,920
complicit in it. 
You know, we've, we've been, 

728
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,160
we've been living, you know, 
comfortable, insulated lives, a 

729
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,960
lot of us. 
And now we realize now we're 

730
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,240
being made to confront the 
horror and the depravity and the

731
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:32,320
cruelty and the misery that has 
been endemic for a very 

732
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,920
considerable proportion of our 
society. 

733
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,240
You know, the mistreatment and 
the misuse and the abuse, it's 

734
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:44,240
so prevalent that we can't, 
we're, we're going to have to 

735
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,720
face up to it. 
This is, this has happened on 

736
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,480
our, our society has gone our, 
our, our establishment, our 

737
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:57,320
society has, has, has been 
corrupt on our watch and we've 

738
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,880
we've let it be like that to 
some extent. 

739
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,720
A. 
Lot of it is that we, we weren't

740
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,680
until the information age, we 
weren't as aware of it. 

741
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,240
I think that's fair to say. 
I think this is, this corruption

742
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:12,440
has gone on for thousands of 
years, actually hundreds and 

743
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,800
thousands of years, you know, 
since Babylonian times. 

744
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,920
So we've had, we've had all 
that. 

745
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,680
But I think what's different now
is that we have the ability to 

746
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,360
to see it and to see it from 
what it is. 

747
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,400
It's very uncomfortable to look 
at it. 

748
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:31,880
Yeah, that that that it actually
is is in some ways is confronted

749
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,960
and revealed. 
It's it's naturally organically 

750
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,120
being revealed to us on a on a 
daily basis. 

751
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,120
And I think it is it's a massive
shock. 

752
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,000
It's like every day is another 
download of of corruption and 

753
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,440
and and deepest horrible, you 
know, tyranny in in many, 

754
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,360
particularly with with children 
and. 

755
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,760
And when you and when you look 
at what's been what's been done 

756
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,920
in our names and in our parents 
names and our grandparents names

757
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,440
in other parts of the world, you
know, you know, you look at 

758
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,000
what's you look at what has 
happened in the Middle East 

759
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,560
really from, you know, let's say
from the First World War, from 

760
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,360
the time of the First World War 
onwards, what has been done 

761
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,040
there, you know, and the 
disruption that has been done 

762
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,240
there and the kind of realities 
and the kind of everyday lives 

763
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,840
that have been inflicted upon 
millions of people. 

764
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:27,160
And, and of course, the, all 
those, so many of those people 

765
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:33,120
have those abused and damaged 
societies are unloading onto the

766
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,360
rest of the world. 
You know, they're coming away 

767
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,800
from those places that, that on 
our watch and in our names and 

768
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,760
parents, things these places 
were were disrupted and or 

769
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,600
destroyed. 
You know, we know now it's, it's

770
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,040
common parallels to talk about 
the seven wars that, that, that 

771
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,720
were embarked upon by, by the 
US, you from the early 1990s 

772
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:59,280
onwards, you know, 7 wars in 
five years, you know, Libya, 

773
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:07,200
Sudan, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, all 
these places that were to be 

774
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,520
destroyed and regime changed. 
Oh no, in our name, apparently 

775
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,000
by NATO, by the US, that was 
being, that was being done. 

776
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,240
And now, of course, we're seeing
consequences, you know, and the 

777
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:22,000
and the the world has been 
upturned and people are on the 

778
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,840
move and people have people 
who've suffered generational 

779
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,720
abuse as societies. 
I have now elsewhere in the 

780
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,600
world and it's causing trouble. 
But then it would wouldn't it? 

781
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,920
And I was listening to see. 
That if you think about it, I, I

782
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,080
remember when George Bush, you 
know, initiated the, the, the 

783
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,640
sacking of the Baghdad Museum. 
I mean, they were, they were 

784
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:49,160
destroying also history that 
that needed to be suppressed. 

785
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,600
Without a doubt, that was going 
on. 

786
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,280
We've made, we have, we have 
been, we have slumbered through 

787
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:03,720
a generationally, we in the West
have slumbered through the 

788
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,640
suffering of others. 
And we've we've, we've turned a 

789
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,800
blind eye on a deaf. 
You're all, we've been all 

790
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,440
because of the control of the 
narrative. 

791
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,440
We were, you know, we're being 
persuaded that things were 

792
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,160
otherwise. 
But now we're catching up. 

793
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,240
The Internet is not just showing
us what's happening now in real 

794
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:27,800
time, it's also confronting us 
with what happened years ago, 

795
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:34,320
decades ago, centuries ago. 
All of The Dirty linen is now 

796
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,200
being washed in front of our 
eyes. 

797
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,440
And you know you can. 
You can turn away from it only 

798
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:47,240
for so long before events. 
We're all being confronted with 

799
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:49,800
it. 
And that's what I mean when I 

800
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,920
say that we, you know, we it, 
it. 

801
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,680
Well, it doesn't have to be this
way. 

802
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,680
And the and the corrupted system
cannot go on. 

803
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,080
Yeah, I mean, to a degree. 
I mean, we're, we're being 

804
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,640
attacked in a very different 
way. 

805
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,080
I mean that, yes, there's been 
adventure abroad for the, the, 

806
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:10,560
the, the sake of the, the, the 
narrative, the globalist Western

807
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,520
agenda or whatever you want to 
call it. 

808
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,240
But you know, we, we here are 
still as, as under attack. 

809
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,120
And I often say this when people
talk about, Oh yes, but you 

810
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,600
know, what about the Middle 
East, yes, it's what's been 

811
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,760
going on there has been 
absolutely appalling. 

812
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,560
But we at the moment of 
witnessing the destruction of 

813
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,680
this country in lots of ways of 
being, for instance, NET 0, all 

814
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,040
of those. 
That's that's what people, yeah,

815
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:37,560
that's what we're that's what 
we're seeing now. 

816
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,320
You know, it's it's, it's all, 
it's washing up on our shores 

817
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,840
now. 
And now this and now the same 

818
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,720
abuses that that we've seen 
nothing yet. 

819
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,320
No, I know. 
Yeah, you. 

820
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,360
Know, I mean, I it, it does 
look, it's hard to it's hard not

821
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,720
to begin to draw the conclusion 
that the West is being, you 

822
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:58,040
know, I say it's being 
dismantled. 

823
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:03,760
It is absolutely the time of the
time of the the time of the West

824
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,480
is, is someone has decreed that 
that time has passed. 

825
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,280
And presumably it simultaneously
it's being it's it has been 

826
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,680
ordained that some other empire 
must rise. 

827
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,560
But we are we in the West are 
seeing it now the the 

828
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,160
deindustrialization. 
I mean, who would have thought 

829
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,520
you and I that we would live to 
see Germany deindustrialized? 

830
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,120
You know, it's being brought to 
its knees economically. 

831
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,000
Germany, the powerhouse of 
Europe. 

832
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,520
You know that you took that for 
granted for the last 20 years or

833
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,280
more. 
And who would have, who would 

834
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,280
have thought that the things 
that are happening across 

835
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,800
Europe, across Western Europe 
would ever have happened here? 

836
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,720
Yes, the farmers being, you 
know, farmers being driven off 

837
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,120
of the land clearly with the 
objective that there'd be less 

838
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,720
food and that and that a 
minority be find it easier to be

839
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:01,880
in control of the food supply. 
The, you know, the freedom to 

840
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:07,880
transact, the freedom to spend 
cash, the privacy, the community

841
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,760
family, the the clear 
distinction between male and 

842
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,240
female. 
All of these things are being 

843
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,280
undermined. 
Causing division as well. 

844
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,160
Everything is causing division 
by design on the streets of our 

845
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,680
of our of our land. 
You know whether it's. 

846
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,520
You've got, you've got to hold. 
I mean, I think you've got to 

847
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,480
hold two thoughts in your head 
simultaneously. 

848
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,440
You know, the communities are 
being just all the things that 

849
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,160
people are angry that that are 
happening. 

850
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,080
The people are right to be angry
about all of those things that 

851
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,600
are happening, but it's being 
done from above. 

852
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,200
Oh. 
Oh yes, we know that, yeah. 

853
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,920
You know, we're people, we're 
angry with our neighbors, you 

854
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,800
know, we're angry with the 
people that are being placed 

855
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,120
alongside us in whatever, you 
know, whatever way you want to 

856
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,520
interpret those words. 
You know, people are being put 

857
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,680
side by side with other people 
or they're being mixed together 

858
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,760
and that's having consequences, 
unhappy consequences mostly. 

859
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,680
But who's doing it? 
Who's doing it to the countries?

860
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,400
Who is taking the countries 
apart? 

861
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,240
The West has stood. 
The West stood for as long as it

862
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:15,760
stood. 
And now it's being taken apart. 

863
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,280
And it's stood because people 
were determined that it stand. 

864
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:23,320
And it's being taken apart 
because others are being 

865
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,000
determined that it be taken 
apart. 

866
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,080
You know, these things are not 
happening organically and by 

867
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,680
accident, right? 
It's all been, it's all 

868
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,720
happening by design, by design. 
And people are just furious with

869
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:39,960
other people, other people who 
are just just other people. 

870
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,440
And the real problem? 
We're not focusing our 

871
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,680
attention, far less our anger 
upon, because we don't even know

872
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,720
who they are. 
Well, have you any idea? 

873
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,520
What, what I, what I, I mean, 
our general guiding rule that I 

874
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,040
live by is that if you know 
their name and you know the face

875
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,600
that they, their middle 
management at most you know, And

876
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,440
when it comes to see the 
political scene, if someone, if,

877
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,120
if, if it's being ordained that 
you can, that that's a 

878
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:11,360
legitimate opposition or or a 
legitimate political party, then

879
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,800
it won't make any difference. 
Anyone that you can, anyone that

880
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,480
you can see, anyone whose face 
is familiar to you, anyone whose

881
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:25,320
name is familiar to you. 
At most, At most, the middle 

882
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,480
management. 
They're not making decisions, 

883
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,680
they're not in control. 
They are just fact totems. 

884
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,200
Exactly. 
Filling a role and you know, we 

885
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,160
get given generationally we get,
we get given one set after 

886
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,680
another. 
Well, you can see that, that all

887
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,400
our governments, you know, they 
all act the same way because 

888
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,640
they're being, they're being 
dictated to by the UN, the WEF, 

889
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,400
the The Who and whoever is above
that. 

890
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,640
There's something going on where
we, we don't have party, party 

891
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,040
politics anymore. 
It's a uni party. 

892
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,720
We know that. 
So, so in fact, the government 

893
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,240
structure doesn't work anymore. 
So but. 

894
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,280
Even party, but, but where do 
you start? 

895
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,440
Party politics, I mean as though
that was good you know what what

896
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,520
the the Bill of Rights 16881689 
you know the the the so-called 

897
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,920
sovereignty of parliament. 
I mean that that was just more 

898
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,640
of the rot of. 
Course it was, yeah. 

899
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,680
You know, and the and the 
establishment of the of the 

900
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,600
party political system was 
poison. 

901
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,080
So do you think we should be 
moving away completely? 

902
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,480
Well, we should, actually. 
Everything has to break down, 

903
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,360
doesn't it? 
But how? 

904
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,280
It can't be we. 
Can't more intelligent? 

905
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,920
Yeah, you can't fix it. 
No, the system is rotten. 

906
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,600
Yeah, you can't. 
You can't. 

907
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,840
You can't fix the swamp from 
inside the swamp. 

908
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,720
If you step into the swamp with 
the intention of fixing it, 

909
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,760
you'll just be up to your neck 
in the swamp. 

910
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,160
Well, exactly. 
So what do you? 

911
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,360
Well, turn aside, turn away from
it. 

912
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,640
Yeah, that's what I mean about 
it taking, you know, it's been, 

913
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:06,720
it's been, it's been generations
in the happening and it'll take 

914
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,680
generations to fix. 
There's there's not going to be 

915
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,280
any overnight instant fixes for 
it. 

916
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,440
No, it's fundamental problems 
that we're dealing with all the 

917
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,400
way back to education, all the 
way back to the way that, that 

918
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,080
people are not educated, you 
know, all the way, you know, you

919
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,280
know, the undermining of, of 
family life and family values, 

920
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,720
the, the taking a part of 
community, all of these things 

921
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:32,320
will take generations to fix. 
I mean, when you think about 

922
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:37,080
Fabianism, Fabian Fabianism is, 
is it's their, their, their 

923
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,200
logo, one of their logos is the 
tortoise. 

924
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,320
And it's about gradualism, isn't
it? 

925
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:47,080
So it's taken years, hundreds of
years to actually put in place 

926
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,560
the destruction of our world. 
And Fabianism is is global, but 

927
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,120
particularly in the Uki mean it 
started in in the UKI believe. 

928
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,720
So what you know that all of 
that will take years to unpick. 

929
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:01,400
It's taken years to put in 
place. 

930
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,080
So it will take years to unpick.
It begins. 

931
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,960
It begins with awareness. 
Yeah, it, it begins with with 

932
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:14,840
seeing it, knowing it, accepting
it to some extent, accepting 

933
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,760
responsibility. 
Yes. 

934
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,800
You know, it's like that. 
It's that thing around you like 

935
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,320
a, you know, a car accident, you
know, you know, nobody accepts 

936
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,960
liability because both vehicles 
were there, otherwise the 

937
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,400
accident wouldn't have happened.
You know, and, you know, 

938
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,240
insurance companies don't accept
liability. 

939
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:34,280
And none of us can, none of us 
can pretend that, that, that we 

940
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,560
don't bear any sort of 
responsibility for that because 

941
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,680
we are here. 
You know, karma means you're 

942
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,760
doing what happens to you is 
your fault. 

943
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,480
You did it. 
You know, it's not. 

944
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,560
Well, people, people of this 
mixed up idea about karma that 

945
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,200
you know, that means that if 
you, you know, if you commit 

946
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,280
wrong in the past life, that 
something equal and will happen 

947
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,720
to you in the next life. 
It's not like really the essence

948
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,800
of karma is that if it happens 
to you, it's your doing. 

949
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:08,040
It's not it's, it's you, it's 
you, it's, it's not just 

950
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,840
external forces and so. 
Yeah, not many people take 

951
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,640
personal responsibility these 
days. 

952
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,440
It's always somebody else's 
fault, Yeah. 

953
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,200
But but the beginning, but all 
of it, the journey of 1000 miles

954
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,280
and all of the rest of it, it 
will begin with knowing, seeing,

955
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:30,680
accepting and not and not 
continuing to turn a blind eye 

956
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,520
until and to hoping it'll just 
get better. 

957
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,320
And to thinking that if you just
hold your breath long enough, 

958
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,400
somebody else will fix it. 
Yeah. 

959
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,760
And asking, asking all the time.
Well, you know, who's going to 

960
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,240
fix it? 
What are you going to do? 

961
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,880
But it's, it's going, it's 
personal responsibility. 

962
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,600
Yeah, I mean, changing the 
subject for a moment, I mean, 

963
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,720
what are your views on the royal
family? 

964
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:56,160
I know I'm taking that out of 
nowhere. 

965
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,160
What's do you have any, any 
opinions on, on, on, you know, 

966
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,960
because you you you're a 
historian, obviously. 

967
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:04,240
Are they? 
Obviously? 

968
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:07,120
Can't be bothered with them. 
That's always been my position. 

969
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,400
I can't really be bothered with 
them. 

970
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,600
Yeah, Yeah, I'm not. 
I mean, I remember particularly 

971
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:15,680
when I was a week, when I was a 
week. 

972
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,800
Well, when I was a little boy, 
when, when, when Diana Spencer 

973
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,040
married the Prince of Wales. 
Yeah, Yeah, I was a little boy 

974
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,400
and my mum as a as a whole 
country did. 

975
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,880
We had a sort of a we had a sort
of a, it was a sort of a party 

976
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:30,640
in the house. 
It's. 

977
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:32,240
A fairy trip, isn't it? 
Yeah. 

978
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,760
You know, and my mum put on 
different foods, you know, there

979
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,360
was some sort of, you know, 
buffet lunch and it was all 

980
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,760
royal weather and that. 
And I remember I Jane, honestly,

981
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,400
I remember thinking at the time,
this is a bit weird, This is a 

982
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,640
bit odd. 
I don't know, I don't know who 

983
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,640
these I don't know these people 
and all. 

984
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,880
And then, you know, Fast forward
to the death of, of Diana 

985
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,880
Spencer, Whatever happened 
there, that that outpouring of 

986
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,160
grief, people crying in the 
street, rending of clothes and 

987
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,120
mountains of flowers heaped in 
the streets of London. 

988
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,760
I looked on at that and thought,
I, I don't understand what, 

989
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,240
what, what that I, I don't, I, 
these people don't know that 

990
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:17,880
woman. 
How can they be experiencing 

991
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,880
such a visceral grief? 
I just couldn't get it. 

992
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,760
And I've always looked on at the
royal family as just Punch and 

993
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,160
Judy show. 
I, I, I've never invested them 

994
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,840
with I, I mean, I understand 
that they mean a lot to people. 

995
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,160
And there was no denying that, 
you know, at the death of Queen 

996
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,040
Elizabeth, that was, that was 
the end of an era. 

997
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,440
I mean, that was that there was 
a historical, that was a 

998
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,880
historical moment she'd been 
around from that most people 

999
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,520
couldn't remember a time when 
she wasn't there and then 

1000
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,720
suddenly she wasn't there. 
I mean, that was a moment that 

1001
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,600
was a historical moment. 
Regardless, that was just a 

1002
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:51,360
moment. 
I mean. 

1003
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,120
How how about the the king? 
Obviously he, you know, when he 

1004
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,880
was Prince Charles I. 
Can't bear him. 

1005
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,640
Well, I can't bear him. 
I've never. 

1006
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,040
I've never liked him. 
I don't know. 

1007
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,040
I don't like him. 
I didn't like him as I didn't 

1008
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,040
like him as the Prince of Wales 
and I don't like him as the 

1009
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:05,600
parent. 
I don't. 

1010
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,000
Like him, so embedded with with 
with the WEF, he's he's 

1011
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,760
definitely not working for the 
people in in as far as he's 

1012
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,080
pushing this and always has 
done. 

1013
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,200
He was at the Earth Summit in 
1992, you know, hobnobbing with 

1014
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,480
the all the globalists on. 
It's absolutely bizarre. 

1015
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,680
I mean, when you look at it, you
know, as a nation, we have a 

1016
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,360
sort of a nominated family that 
that that are just treated 

1017
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,000
entirely differently than 
everybody else. 

1018
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,320
Yeah. 
You know, like, like chunks of 

1019
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,080
the aristocracy across Europe, 
they're all descended from John 

1020
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,640
William Friso. 
He was a kind of a middle 

1021
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,040
management aristo. 
And, you know, the the Windsors 

1022
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,080
are descended from him. 
And as are other, you know, 

1023
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,680
royal families are descended 
from John William Friso. 

1024
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:55,400
And we've accepted that, that 
this family who changed the 

1025
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,040
name, you know, who changed the 
name to Windsor to, you know, to

1026
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,600
get around the awkwardness of 
being at war with Germany are 

1027
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,120
just treated entirely 
differently. 

1028
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,920
I mean, when the you know, when,
when, when, when the Queen was 

1029
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:11,160
when Elizabeth was still on the 
throne and during the 1960s and 

1030
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:16,040
70s when laws were being put 
through Parliament and entering 

1031
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,160
the statute books about the the 
way in which she couldn't 

1032
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:23,200
discriminate about employees and
you couldn't discriminate. 

1033
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,440
The queen put a red pen through 
all of that in relation to her 

1034
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,760
properties. 
None of that applies to the none

1035
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,560
of that applied then to the 
properties of the royal family. 

1036
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,480
And that went, that went 
through, that was noted through,

1037
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,600
yes, you're different. 
You can treat your employees 

1038
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,920
differently because you're 
Elizabeth Windsor. 

1039
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,560
It's absolutely bizarre and it's
it's, it's perpetuated. 

1040
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:54,080
And when grown, grown-ups watch 
another man, you know, wearing a

1041
00:59:54,080 --> 01:00:01,720
fur trimmed cloak and a hat 
covered in stolen jewels, it's 

1042
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,600
absolutely bizarre. 
And the whole It's beyond 

1043
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,480
pantomime. 
And all of that. 

1044
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,320
There's, there's, there's 
definitely a lot of rather 

1045
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,640
esoteric weird stuff with the, 
you know, the Order of the 

1046
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,880
Garter and the, the Free Masonic
stuff it goes. 

1047
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,800
Before you. 
Yeah, that's before you get into

1048
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,040
the whole idea that that ever 
since the, the, the paperwork 

1049
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,800
was signed for the Common 
Market, that the, the, you know,

1050
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,120
the Queen was in breach of her 
coronation oath from that moment

1051
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,120
onwards, you know, and that was 
a, that was a betrayal. 

1052
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,720
I mean, the country has been, I 
mean, if you, if you believe in 

1053
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,920
a constitutional monarchy, I'm 
just, that's, that's what we're 

1054
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,840
supposed to have. 
That's what we're told. 

1055
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,080
We live in a constitutional 
monarchy. 

1056
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,120
Well, everyone's in breach of 
it. 

1057
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:46,960
Yeah, everyone is in breach of 
it. 

1058
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,120
No, the king is not. 
The Queen didn't. 

1059
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,920
And the King is not living up to
the Coronation Oath, which is 

1060
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:58,080
essentially to defend the people
of Britain against against harm.

1061
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,280
About against out outside, yeah.
Basically they gave us a way to 

1062
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,400
a foreign power when they we 
joined the EU. 

1063
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,720
And yet we we continue to 
pretend. 

1064
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,480
I mean, it's, you know, 
basically our, our royal spouse 

1065
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,840
has been unfaithful to us. 
Yes, you know, has been in 

1066
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,280
breach of the marriage vows for 
all of that time. 

1067
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,000
And we're all just pretending 
like it's happy families. 

1068
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,400
It's. 
Absolutely it's. 

1069
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,520
Palpable nonsense, a whole lot 
of it. 

1070
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,280
You ask me what I think of the 
royal family. 

1071
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,400
I just think what absolute 
nonsense. 

1072
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,040
Yeah, no, they, they are really 
part of the biggest problem, I 

1073
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:34,400
think not maybe not the biggest,
but a huge problem, maybe the 

1074
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,520
biggest. 
Who knows? 

1075
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,120
We don't know how deep it goes, 
but I've got a inkling that it 

1076
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,880
goes quite deep. 
And yeah, there's a there's, 

1077
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,920
there's a lot more that to the 
royal family than than. 

1078
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,840
Well, I mean, there's a whole. 
There's a whole, you know, 

1079
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:53,000
there's a whole the, the, the 
City of London, you know, is a, 

1080
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,320
is a separate entity. 
You know, you cross into the 

1081
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,080
City of London that, you know, 
everything's different. 

1082
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,120
It's a different jurisdiction. 
There's a, there's a guy sits in

1083
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,280
Parliament called the 
remembrance, the City 

1084
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,200
remembrancer. 
You know who who's there to make

1085
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,720
sure that nothing gets in the 
way of the, the unique and 

1086
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,560
bizarre rights and privileges of
the City of London, the Bank of 

1087
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,920
England. 
It's a private entity. 

1088
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,040
It pretends it's not, but it's a
private business. 

1089
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,280
These, these realities are right
there in plain sight. 

1090
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,440
Absolutely. 
And we we, we go about our daily

1091
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,760
lives and as, as though, as 
though the reality was something

1092
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,360
different, but it's not. 
Exactly. 

1093
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,400
Well, we're we're coming near 
nearing the end. 

1094
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,280
I know a lot of our viewers and 
I don't know whether you whether

1095
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,200
you're OK about me asking this. 
They say, well, things have been

1096
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,160
different with you and GB News. 
I mean, they've they've asked, 

1097
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,400
you know, why don't you sort of 
why aren't you actually there so

1098
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,720
much so you can answer this or 
not and we can move on to the 

1099
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,600
next question. 
But our viewers have been 

1100
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,840
saying, well, what is he? 
What is going on? 

1101
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,840
Well, I just, I mean, I said 
earlier, I, I joined right at 

1102
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:01,800
the beginning. 
Yeah. 

1103
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,200
I'm, I'm, I'm part, I'm one of 
the original. 

1104
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,960
There's not many of us left. 
Actually. 

1105
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:15,280
I think it's myself and maybe 
Nana Aqui and and and and and 

1106
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,200
Michelle Dewberry. 
Michelle Dewberry was in the 

1107
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,480
original lineup as well. 
And then, and then there's me. 

1108
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,200
Yeah. 
So I mean, I've been, I've been 

1109
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,520
there all that time. 
And honestly, I mean, I see this

1110
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,960
hand in heart. 
It's an evolving business. 

1111
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,040
GB News. 
And it did for a time. 

1112
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,640
For a time I was on a Saturday 
night and I had a you know, I 

1113
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,800
did a live 2 hours and then I 
did a live hour and, you know, I

1114
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,400
was able to do my monologues, 
which, you know, garnered quite 

1115
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,320
a bit of attention at the time. 
But, you know, nothing, nothing 

1116
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,600
lasts or lasts forever. 
And, you know, the world moved 

1117
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,280
on the, the, the, the, the 
business as GB News moved on. 

1118
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,360
All I do know what I do, all I 
do what I do know for GB News is

1119
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,480
only online. 
You know, the, the, the, it's 

1120
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,240
called GB News originals. 
It's the online presence. 

1121
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,640
And I mean, I just, you know, I 
record everything here, you 

1122
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,520
know, and I interview people and
I and I do monologues and, and 

1123
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,840
so on and so on. 
And that, you know, that my, you

1124
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,720
know, my role within the company
has changed. 

1125
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,920
I, I have a perfectly happy 
relationship with the, with the 

1126
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,560
people that I talked to at GB 
News. 

1127
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,040
And it's just, you know, my, my 
role there, my relationship 

1128
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,320
there is, you know, has evolved 
over time, but it's, it's not a 

1129
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,280
problem like. 
Nice to work from home, you 

1130
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,560
don't have to do all that 
travelling. 

1131
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,680
Right. 
I mean, you know, it's, it's, 

1132
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,320
it's, it has, you know, it has, 
it has changed over the years. 

1133
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,160
And yeah, but you know, I mean, 
I think, I mean, I suppose GB 

1134
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:39,640
News would they would mind me 
saying that that it has GB News 

1135
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,880
has, has has established a, a, 
a, a mode of an identity, I 

1136
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,960
suppose. 
Yeah, I think possibly, 

1137
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,240
probably, you know, when it 
launched in in 2021, it was a 

1138
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,120
kind of a who, who are we and 
what are we doing? 

1139
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,480
You know, it was a, it was a 
fledgling thing. 

1140
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,640
And it has, over time it has, it
has found an audience, it has 

1141
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,600
cultivated an audience. 
It has a, it has a kind of an 

1142
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,920
identity. 
It's got more of an identifiable

1143
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,800
identity. 
And, you know, you know, I'm 

1144
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,680
not. 
I'm not, you know, I'm not may 

1145
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,280
be central to that identity, but
I'm still there. 

1146
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,000
Yeah. 
And it's still, it still 

1147
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,320
enables, it still enables me to 
get content out to an audience 

1148
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,880
that I would otherwise not have.
No, I think, I think it's very 

1149
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:26,320
important that that in some ways
that you possibly don't align to

1150
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,360
that that identity as much as 
you did in in the beginning 

1151
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,160
because it has never been a. 
Great. 

1152
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,040
I've never, sadly, I've never 
been much of A joiner. 

1153
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,400
I'm not much of A, I'm not much 
of A team player. 

1154
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,160
I've never been enough, you 
know, I've never followed a 

1155
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,080
football team or I've never been
a fan. 

1156
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:45,360
I've never, I've never, you 
know, as Oscar Wilde said, you 

1157
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,640
know, I would, I would never 
want anything to do with any 

1158
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,280
club that would accept me as a 
member wherever I am. 

1159
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:52,680
I'm just me. 
Yeah. 

1160
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,800
And from the get go with GB 
News, what GB News offered me at

1161
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,240
the time and what I took 
advantage of was an opportunity 

1162
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:04,680
to get information out. 
Camera pointed at me live both. 

1163
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,120
You know, that's you know, 
that's pretty special. 

1164
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,040
I was talking directly to 
whoever was watching. 

1165
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,520
Yeah. 
You know, and I thought, great, 

1166
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,240
if if GB News are going to let 
me do that, I'll do that for GB 

1167
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,120
News. 
And now, you know, now I do 

1168
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,280
stuff in the online world and 
this I've never, I've never 

1169
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:24,920
really been a, you know, I don't
fly a flag or hold a scarf above

1170
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,120
my head and chant a a company 
song, No. 

1171
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,160
I. 
Just I just, it's always, it 

1172
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:34,880
just afforded me an opportunity 
to get to have my opinion aired.

1173
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:36,560
Yeah. 
And it still does. 

1174
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,160
And for the rest of it, what 
it's doing, you know, whoever 

1175
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,800
else is presenting, whoever 
else's opinions are out there, 

1176
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,800
let's them. 
That's up to the end. 

1177
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,520
Fantastic. 
If, if, if, if, whoever is if 

1178
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,760
Jacob Rees Mogg is still saying 
his stuff and Nigel Farage is 

1179
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,480
saying he's saying his stuff. 
And Nana Akoway and Tubes, 

1180
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,400
they're just and, and you know, 
Ben Leo and the rest of them are

1181
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:57,760
out there saying their stuff. 
That's them. 

1182
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,800
Yeah, it's best Turner's still 
working for GV News. 

1183
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:02,840
Yeah, yeah. 
Bev's out. 

1184
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,880
She hosts. 
I think she's, I think she might

1185
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,160
be on annual leave at the 
moment. 

1186
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,360
I'm not sure, but she hosts now 
from Washington, DC. 

1187
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,600
Yes, yes, I say. 
She's she's, she's out there. 

1188
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,760
She does. 
It's a show that it was out 

1189
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,760
late. 
She felt, you know, she's in 

1190
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,080
daytime in DC. 
Yeah, but it was out late here 

1191
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,440
and it's like midnight. 
It, it broadcasts. 

1192
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,400
But yeah, she's she's there in 
the kind of the DC office of JV 

1193
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:29,880
News. 
Yeah. 

1194
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,040
Lying around in Air Force One, 
apparently. 

1195
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,520
I don't. 
Know she's, I believe she has a 

1196
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,400
couple of trips on Air Force 
One, yes. 

1197
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,920
And now we're coming to the kind
of, you know, the time really 

1198
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,520
that we it's you know, it's been
lovely talking to you and I 

1199
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,280
could go on forever. 
You're so interesting and you're

1200
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,320
so you know, you're so 
wonderfully good at sharing 

1201
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,320
everything that your shocks goes
on. 

1202
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:56,680
No, it's always great. 
So yeah, it I was just gonna say

1203
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,680
if if you could leave a message 
to people that feel powerless. 

1204
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,800
And there's a lot of people that
do right now in the face of, of 

1205
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,040
what's going on in, in, in the 
world. 

1206
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,800
What would it be right now? 
What would, what would you, I 

1207
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,760
mean, what, what, what would you
say to people that are feeling, 

1208
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,439
Oh gosh, you know, this is we're
not going to win this. 

1209
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,520
It's awful. 
You know, how, how do we deal 

1210
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,000
with all this? 
What would you say? 

1211
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,880
No, no pressure. 
It's all. 

1212
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,080
It's all a matter of 
perspective. 

1213
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:32,720
You see what you want to see. 
You know, I can't remember it's,

1214
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,319
it's often attributed to Max 
Planck. 

1215
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:41,520
The the line is when you change 
the way you look at things, the 

1216
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:47,160
things you look at change. 
So if you're aware of the double

1217
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,640
slit experiment and so on, 
particles become waves, waves 

1218
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,880
become particles depending on 
whether they're watched or not 

1219
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,279
watched. 
But you know, if you change, 

1220
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:58,720
when you change the way you look
at things, the things you look 

1221
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:03,399
at change. 
And each of us as an as an 

1222
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:10,439
individual, OK, if you look at 
someone else with anger and heat

1223
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:15,200
in your heart, the thinking is 
that that actually 

1224
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:20,200
physiologically effects that 
person that you're looking at. 

1225
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:25,600
If you look at the same person 
with, I don't know, love, the 

1226
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,840
effect on them is different. 
Yeah, even arguably if they 

1227
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,000
don't know you're looking at 
them at all. 

1228
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:41,200
So each one of us, I believe we 
affect the very fabric of 

1229
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:47,000
reality by being here. 
The, you know, the universe, the

1230
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:51,479
entire universe is made 
different, is made different by 

1231
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:56,200
each one of us being in it. 
And every action that we take, 

1232
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,720
every thought that we manifest 
changes something. 

1233
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:06,160
It matters. 
Our absence would matter just as

1234
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,680
our presence does. 
And so I think, you know, 

1235
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:16,360
feeling powerless, feeling 
helpless, Well, to some extent, 

1236
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:17,960
that's up to you. 
Yeah. 

1237
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:23,200
If you change the way you look 
at something, the something 

1238
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:27,520
you're looking at changes. 
Let's bear that in mind. 

1239
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:30,760
And so you can't have. 
You can't have. 

1240
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,480
I mean, if you have, if you 
allow yourself to just have a 

1241
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:34,880
random moment of loathing, which
we all do. 

1242
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,360
I mean, I'm not claiming any 
kind of special state is here. 

1243
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,960
No, But bear in mind, bear in 
mind that the very act that 

1244
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,680
allowing yourself to do that 
matters. 

1245
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,120
Yeah. 
It it it it has an effect. 

1246
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,360
Yeah, and, and, and you're 
right, your, your mood can 

1247
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,240
change if you go out for a walk,
you know, if you could just 

1248
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,640
embrace nature, you know, if 
you're feeling, you know, 

1249
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:01,480
disempowered or, or or, you 
know, just depressed, even it, 

1250
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:05,800
it you're right, it does, it 
makes a difference when you when

1251
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:06,920
you I. 
Was chatting. 

1252
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:08,880
I was chatting over the weekend 
with Ahmed Malik. 

1253
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:10,680
You'll know, Ahmed. 
I know Ahmed. 

1254
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,920
Yeah, and I recorded with him 
and he, he, you know, he 

1255
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,200
whatever, he prompted me to say 
something, which I'll see it 

1256
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:18,560
again because I think it 
matters. 

1257
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,080
It's on my mind at the moment. 
And I, I quite often think, I 

1258
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,120
wonder why things are remote. 
So I'll say again what I said 

1259
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,640
there, which is that there was 
a, there's a mythology around a 

1260
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,400
bit of graffiti that was found 
in a basement during World War 

1261
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,200
2. 
And it it's, it's attributed to,

1262
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,640
well, whoever it was some some 
refugee, someone hiding, maybe a

1263
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,920
group of people, whatever. 
And scratched into a wall was I 

1264
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,400
believe in the sun even when I 
do not see it. 

1265
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,640
I believe in love, even when I 
do not feel it. 

1266
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,960
I believe in God even when he is
silent. 

1267
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:53,800
That's brilliant, yeah. 
You know, so that if pondering 

1268
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,720
on, I've been pondering that. 
I've known that for years and it

1269
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,480
comes and goes from my 
consciousness. 

1270
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,600
It's it's it's in my 
consciousness at the moment. 

1271
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,880
So I keep saying it, I say it to
myself, and I'm saying it again 

1272
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,880
to you now. 
Yeah, but. 

1273
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,040
It's there. 
The sun is there, love is there,

1274
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,200
God is there. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1275
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:14,960
And it's. 
Just because you're not seeing 

1276
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,320
it, feeling it or or hearing it 
is that that doesn't mean 

1277
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,880
anything, no. 
No, that's that's, that's a 

1278
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,160
really good way to. 
Do so I'll, I'll leave you with 

1279
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:24,720
one final thought. 
You've got to go in there. 

1280
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,320
There's a Kabbalistic saying 
from the Kabbalah. 

1281
01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:30,120
Whatever you think of that. 
I mean, it's just another 

1282
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:31,760
resource of information. 
Yeah. 

1283
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:38,600
Every every bird, every flower, 
every stone that you have seen 

1284
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:43,280
will turn to dust and pass away,
but that you have seen them will

1285
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,080
not pass away. 
Yeah, no that. 

1286
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,520
And that matters. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1287
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,920
No, your being here. 
Your experiences are forever. 

1288
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:58,040
Yeah, thank you. 
Well, Neil Oliver, thanks so 

1289
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,200
much for joining me today. 
You've been a really fabulous 

1290
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:05,400
guest and I thank you very much.
Well, thanks for having me, 

1291
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:06,520
Sandy. 
I'll talk to you anytime. 

1292
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:07,800
It's a pleasure.