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Derek is is covered over. 
That's a good question. 

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I guess that depends on how you 
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is sort of like a catch all term
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you know, pandemic, but all of 
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came afterwards. 
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state, the growth of police 
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digital IDs and all the general 
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the things that we saw expanding
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I don't think that's over for 
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Whether or not the claims of a, 
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now and then, of course, we see 
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popping up and I think there's 
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waters to see it. 
Will they still buy it? 

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Will they, you know, and most 
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shoulders these days and like 
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new variant or something going 
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But as far as the the the bigger
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of the technocratic agenda, that
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The the term COVID is a catch 
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Yeah, absolutely. 
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are there were advantages of the
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You know, the the the steps 
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mentioned the advancement of the
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and facial recognition and 
digital ID IDs and everything 

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that we're still seeing play 
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And at the same time, I kind of 
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in some ways as far as that, you
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people woke up because of this 
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There are people who 2019-2020 
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just regular people going about 
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And then, you know, the whole 
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authoritarianism happened. 
And that caused them, something 

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about those events caused them 
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find podcasts like yours or mine
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journey. 
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the world is better now post 
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back to their normal lives. 
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what I mean there is that, you 
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people not only through my 
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networks that I'm a part of. 
I mentioned I host this, the 

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people's reset every year in 
Mexico. 

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the Davos crowd hosting their 
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So we said, we'll look, why 
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a bottom up perspective instead 
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that and others that were 
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big spike of interest in people 
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And we're still doing our thing.
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in January. 
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low like where it just was this 
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energy. 
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threatened and they were in 
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Maybe I need to, you know, get 
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or I need to get my kids out of 
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know, whatever their solutions 
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normal, a lot of those people 
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need to worry about that 
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Things are, you know, 
everything's OK now. 

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edged sword. 
We had some new people waking up

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and questioning the world around
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calmed down, a lot of those 
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human thinking. 
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there's bad things going on in 
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impacts you and your family or 
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know, the things that you hold 
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will kind of say, well, that's 
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our families and, and just 
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beautiful lives. 
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or we try to ignore the bigger 
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in the world and throughout 
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and probably everybody in this 
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can come back to, you know, they
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doorstep eventually. 
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Derek, how it is possible that 
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this very small group of people 
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COVID. 
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drinking fluoride water and 
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sure I was consuming propaganda 
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watching and didn't even realise
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Like I, I went to prison at 20 
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this year. 
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things. 
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too, where they have like 
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impact them, like maybe they, 
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with cancer or something and 
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the rabbit hole of learning the 
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in general. 
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2008 financial crisis. 
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about it. 
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some other psychological, I 
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other psychological elements 
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know, you could put somebody 
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around us. 
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choose to ask questions. 
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it's just like, is there 
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Is there something that, you 
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predisposed to wake up and to 
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humanity is capable of this, you
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an activist. 
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activism is a conscious and 
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quote unquote, wake people up, 
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that might sound, I think some 
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I still think it's important. 
I still feel like there's not 

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enough people. 
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people out of the matrix and 
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better thing we're trying to 
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questioning the world, here's 
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not true. 
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Damascus moment? 
Your first red pull, so to 

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speak. 
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the US started bombing Iraq, I 
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graduating high school. 
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remember watching it on TVI 
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the US and I remember watching 
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couple of days or weeks or so, 
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who didn't really know anything,
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that. 
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into some of the the propaganda 
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post 911 world. 
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up in the punk scene and as a, 
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So I was generally like, yeah, 
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kind of anti authority, but not 
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understanding, just kind of like
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especially as the anti war 
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very much kind of, that was I 
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bulbs where I was like, all 
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So at 18, I'm in a lot of bands 
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Bush songs. 
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this like giant full size 
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Bush. 
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like RIP his head off and throw 
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that, right. 
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I voted for the Democrats. 
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voted in my life as a young 18 
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beginning, but it was still like
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I'm starting to question things,

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but I'm still kind of going back
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when I got out in late 2008. 
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getting elected. 
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attention. 
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don't trust anymore, like Alex 
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in my early years. 
I watched End Game. 

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I read Jim Marrs, A researcher. 
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His book Rule by Secrecy. 
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band that was like literally 
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Reserve. 
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Congressman Ron Paul's book in 
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And it was all those things 
happened within like a week span

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of time, like watching the end 
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Ron Paul speak. 
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trust Jones these these days. 
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for politics, but all of those 
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time where my young mind, 
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also having the experience of 
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combination of those things, I 
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mind where I was very ready and 
willing to question the world 

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around me. 
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was pretty much that was it. 
Like once, once those things 

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I also come from a from a punk 
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I don't know if you can read 
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I see that. 
Nice, I'm with it. 

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That's a great thing. 
The punk rock scene was was 

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They all kind of followed the 
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era. 
Did you notice? 

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Oh yeah, yeah, man, that, you 
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short essay I've been working on
my mind about this because I 

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have a particular bone to pick 
with the punk community having 

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sort of been, you know, raised 
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camaraderie. 
I'm sure you you've experienced 

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a lot of punk is. 
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certain way, you know, who cares
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the right kind of punk or, you 
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they don't really care too much.
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you know, drink 40s and go to 
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against the system. 
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really have an informed opinion.
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establishment. 
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were sort of like, you know, 
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play shows and for not talk. 
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bands that we probably grew up 
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narrative and, like, not wearing
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their crowd to get the 
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didn't get your own message, did
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Dude, the offspring, what a 
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Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. 
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it's, I try to be empathetic. 
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for COVID, I mean, at this 
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just not wanting to know and not
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cycle and all the stuff going 
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people that to understand that 
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one of the biggest propaganda 
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understand things like cognitive
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sometimes will fight or resist, 
you know, new information and, 

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and conclusions that might feel 
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government is lying to me about 
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means I have to also start 
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paradigm. 
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rather not do that. 
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is, you know, as much as it can 
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earlier, I still do have this 
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and help them on their journey. 
Ultimately, everybody's got to 

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walk their own path. 
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plant seeds and then of course, 
produce content like this to try

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to give people avenues to start 
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I mean, and, and back to what we
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don't know, maybe some people 
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grander scheme of things that we
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Maybe some people aren't meant 
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Doesn't mean we are better than 
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reach as many people as possible

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in the hopes that they might 
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You dropped into your 
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the fake binaries, the false 
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liberal, conservative, etcetera.
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stuck in that. 
Trump has done an incredible job

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at pulling people back into the 
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this is the role that Trump was 
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beginning from 2015. 
I think I wrote an article in 

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2016 called The establishment's 
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Fake news in Russia and sort of 
just calling some of these 

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things. 
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obvious that this guy was was 
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wrecking house, right? 
Like a wrecking crew. 

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Everybody, people who were sick 
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years and all that. 
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He's calling out the media. 
He's saying something here and 

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there about 911 or he mentioned 
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It's like he threw just enough 
like pieces of the puzzle out 

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there to entice certain people. 
He mentioned 911, you know, and 

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so he got like the 9/11 truth. 
There's maybe he's going to, you

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know, reveal the truth at the 
Federal Reserve crowd. 

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Maybe he's going to talk about 
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And he mentioned JFK, Epstein, 
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different pieces of the puzzle. 
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really look at what he says, he 
never really said anything 

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substantial, but just enough to 
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keep them. 
Maybe he's going to do it. 

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Maybe he's going to do it. 
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was to be, I mean, this is kind 
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like symbolically, like, I don't
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mistake. 
I think that he is their trump 

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card. 
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they're playing to divide, not 
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the the average person, which he
is really great at stocking 

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those fires and stocking those 
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separation. 
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freedom truth, conspiracy 
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know as well as I do that 
there's a lot of people who now 

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look back on the last 10 years 
that Trump has been around. 

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And in their eyes, he is the 
saviour who came here and has 

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been trying to fight the deep 
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And, you know, he's just almost 
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And if we could just all get 
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finally defeat the New world 
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That is the version of events 
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and scare me to think like just 

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how the psychological operations
have gotten so, so good that we 

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are now living in different 
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I tend to call this the 
fracturing where humanity not 

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only like those of us who are 
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that's one element. 
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community that we broader 
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fracturing is this idea that the
psychological operations, the 

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5th generation warfare is 
getting so big that we are 

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existing and essentially 
parallel realities. 

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Sure, we're in the same physical
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But these people, like I said, 
some of them look back and they 

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have a whole Q Anon 
interpretation of the last 10 

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years and they think Trump is 
the greatest thing ever. 

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And just how that split the 
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I mean, this isn't going to be a
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Like I think in 10/15/20 years, 
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there are going to be people 
like us who are like, Oh my God,

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they fooled people with Trump 
and this and that. 

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And there's going to be others 
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they're going to see that Trump 
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tried to defeat the deep state. 
And so it's that to me is really

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disturbing just to see how we 
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fractured like that. 
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digital IDs and, and things of 
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I mean, even right now as we're 
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they're discussing this, this 
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And I won't call it by Trump's 
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moronic names he gives to 
everything. 

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But it's this giant bill that 
they're trying to stuff as many 

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things and. 
And he's promising it's going to

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be the greatest thing ever, 
Right. 

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But if you look further into it,
I'm actually working. 

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Yeah, Stargate, obviously, we 
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announcement. 
I'm working on an article about 

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this giant bill right now to 
show all the different. 

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I'm calling it the Big Brother 
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He has another name for it. 
But it to me, it's more 

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accurately the Big Brother bill 
because a big chunk of it does 

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absolutely increase facial 
recognition. 

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They want to install towers 
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And I've been warning people 
that the fight against illegal 

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immigration was going to be used
to bring in, you know, the, the 

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post COVID-19 84 totalitarian 
digital ID facial recognition 

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state. 
And of course, that doesn't mean

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that there aren't real concerns 
about immigration or anything 

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like that. 
But this is what I think some 

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people can't grasp is that what 
I often call the predator class,

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the, the folks at the top of the
pyramid of power, that they, 

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they operate like they'll give 
us 2 bad decisions and then try 

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to force us to make, make one of
them. 

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And either way, they win. 
So in one hand, you have people 

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who are like, we need to just 
have open borders or just, you 

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know, we need to not, not try to
stop anybody from coming into 

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any countries, whether that's 
Europe or the United States. 

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I think we've all seen that 
weaponized immigration is real 

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and it can end up being a bad 
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I generally, you know, I'm, I 
learn more towards like getting 

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the government out of the way, 
but I can also see how that's 

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been weaponized, right? 
So doing nothing or continuing 

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with the Biden policies in the 
US isn't an answer. 

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And then at the same time, 
giving Trump and his 

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administration the ability to 
just full on grab people off the

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streets without really much due 
processed masked agents who 

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aren't even identifying 
themselves, installing facial 

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recognition cameras everywhere, 
putting towers along the border,

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doing what Trump has called for.
And what this bill includes, A 

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biometric entry and exit system 
for everybody, not just for 

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immigrants. 
That's what a lot of people 

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don't understand. 
You know, they're fighting for 

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this because they think it's 
going to solve the immigration 

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issue, but they don't see how 
it's actually going to work 

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against them. 
And and of course, you know, 

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when you put it in the context 
of things like Stargate, and as 

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I've written quite extensively, 
the numerous Peter Thiel 

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acolytes and Palantir acolytes 
that are also in Trump's second 

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administration, it's clear to 
me. 

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And I think it should be clear 
as day to anybody who's actually

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wanting to look and doesn't 
have, you know, an authority 

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bias or a trust of authority 
that this is going, you know, 

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that this is a prop classic 
problem reaction solution. 

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You know, so like, again, if we 
do nothing and we just allow the

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borders to be wide open, there's
going to be problems with that. 

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But if you accept the solution 
that they're proposing, there's 

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going to be problems with that. 
And that's kind of, I think what

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we often end up faced in. 
But since people can't see that 

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they're like, well, they feel 
like they need to choose one or 

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the other. 
And it's not like we're really 

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being given a choice. 
It's it's going to happen, I 

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think, one way or the other. 
But to make it even matters even

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worse, they've got the Trump 
crowd cheering it, Not just kind

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of accepting, like, OK, we're 
going this direction, but 

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cheering it and believing that 
it's actually a solution. 

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And, and people who used to talk
about this, including Alex 

448
00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:41,280
Jones, who, as I said, played a 
role in waking me up, now are 

449
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,760
completely silent about the role
that the Bilderbergers are 

450
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,760
playing. 
And Trump's second 

451
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,040
administration are now trying to
downplay the role of Peter Thiel

452
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,280
and Palantir and things like 
this and just act like it's not 

453
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,000
a big deal. 
People are just freaking out. 

454
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,640
You know, there's nothing to see
here. 

455
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,600
It's pretty crazy, man. 
It's a pretty weird space to 

456
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,800
find ourselves in. 
But it's honestly not that 

457
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,280
surprising because I've always 
felt like things were going to 

458
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,360
get worse before they got 
better. 

459
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,280
Things were going to progress. 
And that people who we, and I'm 

460
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,320
sure it's going to happen even 
more than just where we are 

461
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,440
sitting today. 
That people who we believed had 

462
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,080
principles and actually, you 
know, believed in individual 

463
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,840
liberty or the US Constitution 
in the case of the US are 

464
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,800
willing to just toss that out if
it means following their for 

465
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,360
their favourite personality. 
And it's really unfortunate. 

466
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,160
But Derek, please come on. 
Trust the plan. 

467
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,320
It's 5. 
Beaches I know, I know I'm just 

468
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,680
not keeping up enough with all 
the queue drops and all the the 

469
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,520
deltas out there and the 
confirmation. 

470
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,960
I'm trying to keep up my best 
but I just I have a little bit 

471
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,880
of a problem with trusting the 
plan and maybe I just need some 

472
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:48,200
re education. 
I love what you were saying 

473
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,000
earlier about solutions. 
You're very solution driven. 

474
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,840
Now this is something that I 
have found. 

475
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,000
The average person is not 
actually interested in 

476
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,280
solutions. 
They are fascinated by doom 

477
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,440
scrolling. 
That's all they want. 

478
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,520
They just want to share on 
what's happened and telegram how

479
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:11,600
bad everything is. 
I I man, this is an issue I've 

480
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,440
seen since the beginning of my 
work and it sounds like you've 

481
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,840
come across it too. 
I would do videos years ago and 

482
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,680
I still do from time to time. 
But so I'd have like, you know, 

483
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,240
my Jeffrey Epstein documentary, 
just as an example, I put that 

484
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,840
out in 2018. 
I started investigating Epstein 

485
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,200
in 2016. 
I went to his house in 2017. 

486
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,440
A lot of those videos, you know,
500,000 plus views, you know, 

487
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,920
almost 1,000,000 views on one of
them here and there, right? 

488
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,720
And then I do a video about 
like, here's how to grow your 

489
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,560
own food. 
You can produce, you know, 500 

490
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,480
lbs of food in an acre or 
whatever, you know, something 

491
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,280
like that. 
And crickets, you know, I get 

492
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,120
like 110th or less of the views 
on a video like that. 

493
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,560
And that still, that still 
happens today, even as my 

494
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,240
audience has grown. 
And I think as more and more my 

495
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,440
my audience are people who find 
my work are understanding that I

496
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,960
try to focus on solutions. 
I, I still do notice that if I 

497
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,240
my weekly news reports about the
crazy shit going on in the world

498
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,640
is going to get more eyes and 
attention on it than my video of

499
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,400
like, here's the steps to take 
to free yourself from the system

500
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,160
because, well, that takes 
effort, that takes time. 

501
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,000
That might actually take, you 
know, changing your habits or 

502
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,720
changing your lifestyle or, you 
know, changing your bank. 

503
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,640
If you want to stop supporting 
the bank banking system, 

504
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,120
Different things that I promote 
are not go vote, turn out, you 

505
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:27,440
know, trust a politician. 
And they're definitely not just 

506
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,240
give up and be black pilled and 
negative. 

507
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,760
Despite the fact that people 
like myself, and I'm sure you as

508
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,400
well have been called such 
things for not supporting 

509
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,760
politicians, especially during 
the 2024 election. 

510
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,440
But it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's
really unfortunate, man. 

511
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,400
I see the same thing that and I,
I unfortunately, I agree with 

512
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,960
you that I think most people are
addicted to doom scrolling and 

513
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,360
would probably rather just 
obsess over how bad the world is

514
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,680
then do something about it. 
And, you know, maybe that's that

515
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,360
we're battling human nature on 
that front. 

516
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:58,520
I do think some of it is the 
programming and the sort of 

517
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,240
learned helplessness that a lot 
of us have bought into or people

518
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,440
just they don't think they can 
do anything for themselves. 

519
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,280
And also the systems that were 
born into, I think like you're, 

520
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,440
if you're born into a system 
that is telling you just, you 

521
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,680
know, get the biggest house, get
the newest cars, get the latest 

522
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,240
phone, you know, download the 
newest apps and just kind of 

523
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,200
chasing that. 
So called, you know, American 

524
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,400
dream, at least as they call it 
in the US, which a lot of 

525
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,640
countries have tried to model 
themselves after. 

526
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,080
Unfortunately, when you're kind 
of in that space, it doesn't 

527
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,200
feel like there's time to, to do
anything else, like, right. 

528
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,640
Even so I use often, I use my 
family as as an example, my 

529
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,400
sister and her husband, for 
example, they're very working 

530
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,480
class people. 
My family's not wealthy by any 

531
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,880
means, but they've got a nice 
little house for them and their 

532
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,120
three kids. 
And they're, you know, my, my 

533
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,720
sister's a stay at home mom. 
Her husband is working five days

534
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,600
a week. 
And then the weekend comes and 

535
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,080
they just want to hang out with 
the kids or hang out with some 

536
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,720
friends and drink a couple 
beers. 

537
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,720
And they're good people. 
They know about my work. 

538
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,320
My sister's husband, every time 
I see him, I just saw him last 

539
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,960
week, he asked me questions 
like, hey, what do you think 

540
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,160
about this thing? 
What do you think about this? 

541
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,000
You know, he's asking me about 
Iran last time I saw him and 

542
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,120
he's what I would consider 
fairly awake. 

543
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,120
He knows what's going on. 
He follows my work. 

544
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:14,640
He sees what's happening, but 
he's not doing a single thing 

545
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,440
about it. 
He's not doing anything about 

546
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,160
it. 
He's just watching it get worse.

547
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,960
He's just going through the 
motions. 

548
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,240
And like I said earlier, just 
trying to take care of home 

549
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,560
base. 
I just got to feed the kids. 

550
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,120
I got to take care of my wife. 
I got to do that. 

551
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,160
And if I can do that, then maybe
I can get to the weekend and 

552
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,440
have a few beers and just relax 
a little bit, right? 

553
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,880
And it's like you're stuck in 
that rat race of just trying to 

554
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,600
keep up. 
And so the idea of him of going 

555
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,080
to protest or talk to somebody, 
you know, even doing that, let 

556
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,520
alone changing his life to try 
to grow food or, you know, 

557
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,040
getting off big tech and 
different things that I, I 

558
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,960
promote with my exit and build 
strategy, That's just like, 

559
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,680
that's not even in his in his 
wheelhouse. 

560
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,640
That's not even his mind. 
That's like the last thing he's 

561
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,360
thinking about, right? 
And I feel like there's a lot of

562
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,560
people who are like that. 
They generally understand 

563
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:58,720
there's something wrong in the 
world. 

564
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,480
They might not be fully aware to
the to the levels that you and I

565
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,880
are and people in this audience,
but they know things aren't 

566
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,280
right, but they're also not 
doing anything about it. 

567
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,440
And so they're kind of like 
this. 

568
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,840
I think that's like the real 
silent majority, the people out 

569
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,560
there who know things are wrong 
but do nothing about it. 

570
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,760
And unfortunately that's not 
enough. 

571
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,280
It's not enough. 
And I've been saying this for a 

572
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,840
few years. 
It's not it's not enough to be 

573
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,880
awake anymore, if it ever was or
conscious or aware. 

574
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,800
Whatever words you want to use. 
I tend to go with the term 

575
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,000
activated because activated kind
of distinguishes from just being

576
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,000
awake because you can be awake 
and you can be passive. 

577
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,720
You can be awake and be doom 
scrolling, right? 

578
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,440
You can be awake and walk right 
into the FEMA camp because you 

579
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,520
never did anything about it, 
because you never prepared, 

580
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,760
because you never took any 
alternative steps or tried to 

581
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,600
resist the machine. 
You just watched it on your 

582
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,320
phone as the world got worse and
worse. 

583
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,640
And surprise, surprise, here it 
is, right. 

584
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,520
So I do think there's a 
difference between being awake, 

585
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,120
aware and then activated. 
Like actively trying to work on 

586
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:55,320
solutions and I've got my ideas,
but whatever solutions appeal to

587
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,840
people. 
Personally, I don't think 

588
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,160
politics is the way, but if you 
feel inclined to politics, then 

589
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,920
go super local, you know, run 
for your school board or town 

590
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,440
council or something like that. 
Try to impact your local area. 

591
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,560
But whatever you're doing, do 
something. 

592
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,400
Because I think the vast 
majority are doing nothing, even

593
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,320
if they see themselves as awake 
and aware. 

594
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,760
And they, they might even be the
kind of people that ha ha, look 

595
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,160
at those stupid sheeple out 
there. 

596
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,840
They're so asleep and I'm so 
awake. 

597
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,200
But at the end of the day, doing
anything with that knowledge, 

598
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,960
because if not, you might as 
well be one of the sheep then, 

599
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,600
because what difference does it 
make? 

600
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,000
Both of you are going to end up 
the same place if you don't take

601
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,720
any concrete steps to make sure 
that you can be free in the face

602
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,280
of this coming technocratic 
state. 

603
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,640
You mentioned FEMA camps. 
And that's a another one. 

604
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:43,160
But Trump, Trump brought in to 
stop, to stop the FEMA camps. 

605
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,440
You've heard that one, too. 
I've I've met a few of the 

606
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,000
people. 
Pushing that isn't there like a 

607
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,120
documentary that really tried to
push that like the what is that 

608
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,360
there's I don't remember the 
guy's name and I'm not trying to

609
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,240
badmouth anybody, but somebody 
sent it to me and it's like AI 

610
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,080
only want to call it a 
documentary because I think it 

611
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,280
it discredits that word. 
It was just a strong together, a

612
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,640
bunch of clips and one of them 
had to do with this guy who I 

613
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,800
see on Twitter every now and 
then who made a painting and it 

614
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,520
had Q in it. 
And he's like, look, Trump 

615
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,840
shared this Q painting, so 
that's a proof of something. 

616
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,000
And warp speed was to prevent us
from going to FEMA camp so we 

617
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,880
can all celebrate. 
Yeah, man, I mean, I don't even 

618
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,360
know what world these people are
living in. 

619
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,600
And it's unfortunate. 
I will say that I've had some 

620
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,040
success since 2016 when I first 
started taking time to debunk a 

621
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,080
lot of the cue claims and and 
just all the weird stuff going 

622
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,560
on because I do think it is a 
psychological operation. 

623
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,960
I do think people in Trump's 
team know about it, but they're 

624
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,120
playing people. 
They they're not actually doing 

625
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,280
the things they're they're 
claiming, but they're playing 

626
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,120
his his base. 
But I've had some success, 

627
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,240
thankfully, and I've gotten some
emails and some comments from 

628
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,600
people who saying, Hey, you 
helped me kind of snap out of 

629
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,240
the queue thing. 
I was going down that rabbit 

630
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,880
hole and now I see I was being 
played and I can't believe I 

631
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,440
fell for it. 
So sometimes I can be pretty 

632
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,440
harsh to that crowd because I 
think sometimes a tough love is,

633
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,360
is the way, you know, especially
when you're that deep down the 

634
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,440
rabbit hole. 
Because as I'm sure you've seen 

635
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,880
the same responses I've seen, no
matter what bit of evidence you 

636
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,240
actually try to provide to 
somebody like that, there's 

637
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,720
just, you know, they have like 
it. 

638
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,280
It's like the psychological 
operation built in all the the 

639
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,080
cognitive dissonance for them. 
So, you know, they save Israel 

640
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,880
for last. 
Trust the plan, you know, get 

641
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,640
your popcorn. 
All these kind of things, right?

642
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,240
Like they just then they just 
think that you're the ones who 

643
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,600
don't know what's going on. 
You're just not informed enough 

644
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,120
to know what's happening. 
But it really is a sad state of 

645
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,960
affairs, man. 
And I think that's, it's a 

646
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,800
testament to the power of, of 
whatever you want to call it, 

647
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,560
the new world order, the to this
psychological operation, to this

648
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,680
long term generational planning 
that we know has been going on. 

649
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,520
And now it's at the point where 
the Internet, social media is 

650
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,520
part of the battlefield. 
Our minds are part of the 

651
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,160
battlefield. 
And they sure do know a lot 

652
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,720
about us. 
They have definitely created 

653
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,720
profiles, psychological 
profiles. 

654
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,160
I've actually been looking back 
at the Cambridge Analytical 

655
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,280
links and just remembering, I 
encourage people to go back and 

656
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,640
look at what that was. 
Because when you really 

657
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,400
understand that this company 
which just scraped all this 

658
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,560
Facebook data and then was 
selling it to and probably still

659
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,600
is selling it to or other 
companies doing the same thing, 

660
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,000
selling it to politicians and 
saying, hey, I can give you all 

661
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,320
the data you need on how to 
speak to the voters. 

662
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,920
And on one hand it's like, cool,
that's great for marketing, 

663
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,200
right? 
But when you really understand 

664
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,240
it, that it's a psychological 
profile, they even called it 

665
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,880
psychographics where, you know, 
they had this ability to tailor 

666
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,120
their messaging to exactly what 
people want to want to hear. 

667
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,200
And I believe that working with 
Cambridge Analytica and other 

668
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,360
companies and of course the 
intelligence networks that they 

669
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,400
are able to create the exact 
stimuli and get the exact 

670
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,720
response that they want. 
They know if we say this, that 

671
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,400
is going to trigger this segment
of the population and it's going

672
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,200
to excite this segment of the 
population. 

673
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,120
And if you say these particular 
phrases, that's going to get 

674
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,600
these people listening and 
trusting and it might work on 

675
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,840
30% of the population. 
And that's all we need. 

676
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,920
You know, we don't need the rest
of them. 

677
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,640
We'll just drown out the rest of
them with with our movement, 

678
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,480
right? 
I think it's down to that level 

679
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,880
at this point. 
And the Q non operation is a big

680
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,200
part of that is trying to just 
suck people in and get them to 

681
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,120
support literally their own 
enslavement all the way to the 

682
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,120
point they are walking in the 
FEMA camps that they think Trump

683
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,400
stopped. 
Or as. 

684
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,080
Larkin, Rosen, Andrew Treglia 
said. 

685
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,520
The Jones Plantation, Yeah. 
It's a great film. 

686
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaking of. 
Technocracy, Elon Musk is, is a 

687
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,600
wonderful example of this. 
I mean, he is a technocrat and 

688
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,000
he's very likeable and he's a 
bit of a buffoon at times. 

689
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,080
I mean, he he clowns around. 
I don't know what he actually 

690
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,640
does during the day. 
And as Catherine Fitz says, he's

691
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,840
actually just an operation. 
Yeah. 

692
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,440
And I. 
I, I think that what you pointed

693
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,120
to like his sort of buffoonery, 
his likeability to a certain 

694
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,040
crowd of people, he's just one 
of us playing video games, 

695
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,680
posting memes, all of that. 
Again, I think is, is a, is a 

696
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,040
profile that was created for 
him. 

697
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,400
Maybe certain elements are truly
who he is, but they're 

698
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,120
definitely capitalised upon in 
order to appeal to a certain 

699
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,400
crowd of people, the crowd of 
people who like memes, the crowd

700
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,880
of people who, you know, like 
trolling, the crowd of people 

701
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,120
who are, you know, this kind of 
become a thing where people sort

702
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,720
of brag about or like to claim 
that they're autistic, you know,

703
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,080
this sort of thing. 
And and you know, we're just the

704
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,680
autist online, like even with 
the Q Anon crowd and stuff. 

705
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,560
And I definitely think that 
Elon, whatever role he's 

706
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,760
playing, is to get that crowd of
people to pay attention to. 

707
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,760
Like, he tweets all day. 
He plays video games, he shares 

708
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,800
funny memes. 
He makes fun of Bill Gates. 

709
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,840
He's one of us. 
He's one of the crew, right? 

710
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,920
He totally gets it. 
And he's just a tech nerd, like 

711
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,320
all of us. 
He uses the Internet. 

712
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,840
And that's something that we 
hadn't seen prior to the last 

713
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,320
few years. 
You know, most of us tend to 

714
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,320
think, you know, this is 
changing maybe a little more 

715
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,040
recently, but most of us tend to
think as politicians as being 

716
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,360
kind of old and out of touch. 
And so the last place you would 

717
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,400
expect to see them is on social 
media posting memes and, you 

718
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,840
know, joking with other people. 
And although Elon has kind of 

719
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,560
straddled that line of being a 
politician, I think he clearly 

720
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,760
is now with the doge and going 
to the White House and 

721
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,679
everything. 
He is an influential person 

722
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,040
either way. 
And yeah, I mean, I've struggled

723
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,159
with this one as well. 
Like, I think I wrote an essay 

724
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,960
in 2017 asking why are American 
libertarians falling for Elon 

725
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,880
Musk? 
Because at that time, it was 

726
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:28,920
still early on. 
It wasn't. 

727
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,120
No, it wasn't anywhere near 
where we are now, but there was 

728
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,639
a lot of people who were 
starting to have this cult like 

729
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,440
mentality around him, especially
because, you know, I'm 

730
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,520
originally from Texas. 
So I'm here in Houston right now

731
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,159
and a few hours away is where 
his Gigafactory was built a 

732
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,320
couple years ago. 
And I remember when that thing 

733
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,120
opened up, I mean, it was just 
hundreds of thousands of people 

734
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,600
were trying to get to the 
opening. 

735
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,239
And all these younger mid 20s 
dudes, mostly dudes. 

736
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,840
There's women too as well, but 
mostly young men in their 20s, 

737
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,800
early 30s who are tech savvy and
they're just looking at this guy

738
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,920
like a hero. 
And I also think that the 

739
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,600
operation has been kind of seed 
in our minds for a while, going 

740
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,960
back to the Iron Man movie in 
2008 when they had him kind of 

741
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,040
make a guest appearance and Tony
Stark even being modelled after 

742
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,160
this, you know, billionaire 
Playboy, cool hip dude with all 

743
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,400
his gadgets and everything and 
Elon kind of trying to bring 

744
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,800
that that archetype to life. 
So I do think that this has been

745
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,280
seated in the minds of a certain
crowd of people for over a 

746
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,440
decade now to see him as this 
kind of a hero and he's the 

747
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,360
radical guy. 
Why? 

748
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,280
You know, and sort of it plays 
right into Trump's Make America 

749
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,680
Great again, because for some 
people, they're like, well, you 

750
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,840
know, America used to be this 
beautiful thing. 

751
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,360
We were trying to go to space. 
We were building rockets. 

752
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,160
We were doing all kinds of 
revolutionary things. 

753
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,360
And now we've kind of given that
up. 

754
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,400
But Trump and Elon, they're 
bringing that back. 

755
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,240
He's bringing back American 
greatness and pride and all this

756
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:55,800
sort of stuff, even though he's 
not even from the US. 

757
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,360
He's, you know, got these all 
these South Africa ties and 

758
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,880
stuff going on in Canada, of 
course. 

759
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,080
But I think that's like, that's 
the sort of personality type 

760
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,520
they were trying to play to is 
like, if you're sick of being 

761
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,000
told that America is everything 
bad and we just have this legacy

762
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,080
of slavery, you know, and you're
sick of all that, well, we're 

763
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,160
going to be the opposite of 
that. 

764
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,480
We're going to be the people who
champion America and wave the 

765
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,320
flags everywhere and talk about 
how great we are and UN 

766
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,480
unapologetically and aim for 
the, you know, aim for the 

767
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,840
stars. 
And there's nothing inherently 

768
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,080
wrong with those things on their
own, but it's all just a facade 

769
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,200
in order to suck people into 
technocracy. 

770
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,440
It. 
Well, that's what. 

771
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,400
I was alluding to and and that's
the danger also of technocracy. 

772
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,200
The average person doesn't quite
understand it because what it 

773
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,080
does and it's it's beautiful in 
its design is that it merges, 

774
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,800
you know, communism and 
capitalism and all these isms 

775
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,400
into, into one system of mass 
control that uses technology and

776
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,560
science and, and, and things 
that sound great. 

777
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,840
Absolutely. 
And I think that's an important 

778
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,640
piece of the puzzle. 
I've been trying to champion 

779
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,920
that that message as well for a 
few years because there's this 

780
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,880
dichotomy, the binary that a lot
of people get stuck in what not 

781
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,120
just the left, the right 
Democrats, Republicans in the 

782
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,400
US, but the communism versus 
fascism element too as well. 

783
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,000
And, and I think the reason that
is also important to suss out 

784
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,160
and to expose for people is 
because Anthony Sutton, who was 

785
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,120
one of the early researchers who
was talking about technocracy, 

786
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,080
along with Patrick Wood and, and
their book Trilaterals Over 

787
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,520
Washington. 
And some of the early work that 

788
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,760
they were doing back in the 70s,
talking about the Trilateral 

789
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,040
Commission and how that was kind
of a rebirth of the original 

790
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,640
technocracy movement from the 
1930s as a big new Brzezinski. 

791
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,920
Of course, David Rockefeller and
some others helped found the 

792
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,600
Trilateral Commission. 
And it was all coming out of 

793
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,240
Columbia University, which also 
happens to be the birth place of

794
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:47,200
technocracy. 
They were saying back then that 

795
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,720
too many people were getting 
sucked into this narrative of 

796
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,280
whether it's capitalism or 
communism, fascism or, you know,

797
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,960
extreme leftism, whatever 
dichotomy binary you want to put

798
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,040
there, that people are still 
fighting those kind of ghosts 

799
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,600
and that that really wasn't what
it was about. 

800
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,000
And in fact, I've even heard, 
you know, the the legend 

801
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,360
researcher G Edward Gryphon say 
that back in the 50s and 60s, he

802
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,560
kind of fell into that course 
communism, the red scare. 

803
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,160
He's like, we had good reason to
be afraid of communism. 

804
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,880
And I think there's legit 
reasons, but he kind of put that

805
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,640
up on as like, that's the 
ultimate enemy. 

806
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,480
And then over time he realised, 
wait, that's just another binary

807
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,080
that they're putting in front of
me to it's capitalism or it's 

808
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,520
communism. 
And like you said, the 

809
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,160
technocracy merges these 
different elements together. 

810
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,880
And so I saw this a lot during, 
I think it happens every 

811
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,320
election, but especially this 
past year's election in the 

812
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,800
United States where people were 
saying, on one hand, if Biden 

813
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,640
win or if Kamala Harris wins, 
it's going to be full on 

814
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,360
communism. 
Like this is the end of freedom.

815
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,000
Freedom of speech is going to 
die everywhere. 

816
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,280
We have to stop her at all 
costs, right? 

817
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,440
And then of course, the other 
side, who's doesn't like Trump, 

818
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,080
but maybe not for the reasons 
we're talking about here, says 

819
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,000
like, if Trump's going to win, 
it's going to be full on 

820
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,800
fascism. 
And you know, I tend to, I don't

821
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,960
disagree with them, but it's 
still setting up in those kind 

822
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,400
of binaries of it's, it's 
communism or it's fascism and 

823
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,720
not realising that technocracy 
is kind of above and beyond both

824
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,800
of these and is going to use 
elements of, of all of the 

825
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,600
above. 
But by focusing on the wrong, 

826
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,240
not only by giving it the wrong 
names, then you're kind of 

827
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:21,000
missing the bigger picture. 
You're missing the point, and 

828
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,760
you can't really fight something
if you don't know what it is. 

829
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,400
If you don't know not only just 
the name of it, but the 

830
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,000
ideology, the the the goals, the
mission of the thing you're 

831
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,200
fighting, then you're going to 
keep losing because you're 

832
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:37,640
fighting the wrong thing. 
And I mean, a good example of 

833
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,640
technocracy in a real world 
setting is the UN. 

834
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,360
It's a really pushing 
sustainable development agendas 

835
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,520
and and smart cities and smart 
grids and smart everything. 

836
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,200
Meanwhile, like the Trump base, 
for example, are like, oh, but 

837
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,640
it's China. 
China, they're the enemy, but 

838
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,840
they're forgetting. 
They're forgetting who the real 

839
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,400
enemy is. 
Yeah, there's this. 

840
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,360
I mean, I, I, I get the concern 
about China and in some 

841
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,880
instances, but I definitely see 
that that has become that's like

842
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,560
the red herring that a lot of 
the mega media, right wing 

843
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,640
conservatives, yeah, or Iran now
it's like that or that, you 

844
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,560
know, whatever the sort of. 
Right leaning, even if they 

845
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,600
consider themselves awake again,
like Infowars, Alex Jones, it's 

846
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,800
like, it's the Chai comms. 
It's Chai, you know, it's like 

847
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,880
this sort of narrative that it's
just like singularly focused on 

848
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,800
that, right. 
And and they're missing the 

849
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,840
bigger picture. 
And to me, and I'd love to, I'd 

850
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,800
love your opinion on this man, 
because I've been reflecting on 

851
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,840
this recently, especially with 
the the bombing of Iran and all 

852
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,400
this stuff going on is like at 
times I tend to doubt any of 

853
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,560
these groups are truly against 
each other. 

854
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,920
You know, I think that there's 
probably true cultural 

855
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,440
differences, right, between the 
Chinese and the Iranians and the

856
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,880
Americans and stuff like that. 
But what I often tell my 

857
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,680
audience is that even if they 
have disagreements and those 

858
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,400
disagreements occasionally flare
up into the public view, 99 

859
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,320
times out of 100, the rulers of 
these countries and the people 

860
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,000
who are behind them, the banking
class, etcetera, and the others 

861
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,280
who are actually pulling the 
strings, they will side with 

862
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,120
each other 99 times out of 100 
over the people. 

863
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,920
So even if they have real 
occasional disputes and spats, 

864
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,720
that doesn't mean that we need 
to fall into the trap of like, I

865
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,840
want to support China because 
they're going to, or the BRICS 

866
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,840
nations, they're going to save 
me from the US or they're, you 

867
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,600
know, vice versa. 
I think that for me at least, is

868
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,920
another kind of trap of starting
to identify with one of these 

869
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,680
other players. 
But what do you think about 

870
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:30,840
that? 
I mean, do you think that they 

871
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,880
are all sitting behind the 
scenes, you know, sharing 

872
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,280
champagne glasses, or do you 
think some of the disputes we 

873
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,920
see in front of the camera are 
legit? 

874
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,200
I think. 
I think. 

875
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,960
That that some of the disputes 
are legit, but I think more 

876
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,040
importantly, all wars are 
bankers wars Biden, right? 

877
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,240
The guy couldn't speak in full 
sentences right. 

878
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,560
So it was clear as day that he 
wasn't pulling the strings and I

879
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,760
think every person Hussein will 
agree that he wasn't pulling the

880
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,480
strings. 
So if that if, if that is true, 

881
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,760
what makes you think that Trump 
is pulling the strings? 

882
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:07,320
Yeah. 
And I think that. 

883
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,720
The interesting thing about that
whole Biden thing to sort of 

884
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,600
reveal that the president is a 
puppet because that's, that's 

885
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,640
one sort of, you know, benefit. 
I saw the whole thing is like, 

886
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,600
OK, well, people are finally 
seeing like the president is a 

887
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,120
puppet, but unfortunately, 
because it was in the guise of 

888
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,160
an old man who is becoming more 
and more senile everyday. 

889
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,680
And, you know, and, and 
honestly, it's like, you know, I

890
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,480
don't think Biden's a, a hero or
a good guy, but there's 

891
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,360
definitely an element of like, 
man, this is just sad. 

892
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,760
They're just literally propping 
this old dude up and making him 

893
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,720
go around and just, he's 
probably confused everywhere he 

894
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,080
goes. 
But then because, well, Trump's 

895
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,800
a little more fit. 
He's got, you know, he's got all

896
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,360
his mental faculties and this 
and that, People all of a sudden

897
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,680
forget, OK, but last year, I 
mean, even in the last six 

898
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,160
months, there have been 
reporting the mainstream US 

899
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,600
press about the different group 
of people in the Biden White 

900
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,520
House who are pulling the 
strings of Biden. 

901
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,560
Now, of course, even those 
people like you say, I think are

902
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,040
low level. 
They're not like the actual 

903
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,840
people running it. 
But even if you just take the 

904
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,800
mainstream perspective, the 
mainstream was the mainstream 

905
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,440
media was willing to admit Biden
was not in charge. 

906
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,560
There was about 5 or 6 people 
around him, including his wife 

907
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,240
and some other decision makers 
who were actually making these 

908
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:18,120
major decisions. 
And even at that level, then 

909
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,040
that's like, OK, so the mask has
kind of come off. 

910
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,560
The president's not in charge. 
People around him are the ones 

911
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,920
that make those decisions. 
But I think we know at a deeper 

912
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,840
level, it's not even those 
bureaucrats. 

913
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,680
It's it's people above and 
beyond them. 

914
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,320
But still, now that Trump's in 
office, it's like some of his 

915
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,640
crowd have forgotten that. 
And they think, no, no, that was

916
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,360
Biden because Biden's old and 
senile. 

917
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,200
Trump's coming in and he's 
taking charge. 

918
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,080
He's the one really leading the 
way now. 

919
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,000
That's the thing about. 
The Biden administration, he was

920
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,120
so stupid and clumsy and old and
senile that it made Trump's 

921
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,200
ascension so much easier. 
And then, of course, the theatre

922
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,120
of the shooting, you know, and 
the, the, the, the, the 

923
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,480
assassination attempt, quote, 
unquote. 

924
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,440
Yeah. 
So, so the whole thing made. 

925
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,440
Was this hero. 
Exactly. 

926
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,920
That was all like, and and I've 
again, I've been trying to I'm 

927
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,680
glad that you're on the same 
page as that, because I think 

928
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,480
there's even folks within the 
independent, so called 

929
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,280
alternative media who are still,
but like, you know, they 

930
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,880
question Trump, but they still 
buy the the assassination 

931
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,400
attempts. 
And I just there's not 

932
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,640
everything about that day does 
not sit well with me. 

933
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,280
And I think there's some some 
great reporting out there kind 

934
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,280
of calling into question the 
different discrepancies. 

935
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,800
But overall that was part of a 
larger operation to deify Trump.

936
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,560
I mean, we saw that like, I 
mean, we're literally right 

937
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,320
after the shooting. 
There's people who claim to be 

938
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,160
Christians and others religious 
folk that folks who are. 

939
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,400
The the photo of the. 
Hands and all that. 

940
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,440
I mean, it's just like so 
perfectly timed right. 

941
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,800
And then and like you said, I 
think that it had to be done the

942
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,360
way it was like you have to show
people this guy is not in 

943
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,080
control for in terms of Biden, 
this guy is just, you know, he, 

944
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,880
he's just embarrassing the 
country. 

945
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,240
And also the left, the 
Democrats, the progressives were

946
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,080
pushing transgenderism as boldly
as you could go. 

947
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,680
And they're pushing all kinds of
policies that again, the average

948
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,720
American like to use my family 
again, I think about my my 

949
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:21,560
brother in 
And So what it does is all of a 

950
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,960
sudden he's looking over at 
Trump and Trump's like, I'm 

951
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,120
going to be better than the 
other side. 

952
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,440
He literally doesn't have to try
hard. 

953
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,240
He's just like, I'm going to do 
better than them. 

954
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,640
We're going to get rid of all 
the bad things that you hate. 

955
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,280
And then, of course, the 
shooting and then Musk and 

956
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,560
Zuckerberg and everybody 
rallying around him and like, 

957
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,480
oh, he's such a badass and this 
and that. 

958
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,720
Like it was quite an operation. 
And I think that all of that had

959
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:45,520
to happen in order for it to be 
successful. 

960
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,240
You have to make the other side 
look as dumb and stupid and 

961
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:52,920
irresponsible as possible, 
pushing policies that any sane 

962
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,280
person would not support, and 
then just present somebody who 

963
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,680
seems to be slightly better. 
You know, it's like all he had 

964
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,560
to do was just be slightly less 
of a piece of a shit as the 

965
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,000
other side. 
And it was enough for a lot of 

966
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,840
people. 
And even though in my mind all 

967
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,000
the signs were there, I did 
some, I did a 2 hour 

968
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,000
conversation with Ian Carroll, 
who is just blown up a lot in 

969
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,280
the last year and who I'm very 
sceptical of despite us having 

970
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,680
some conversations, you know, I 
don't really fully trust him. 

971
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,400
But we did a 2 hour conversation
prior to the election and I was 

972
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,320
laying out all these things and,
you know, getting called black 

973
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,000
tilt, getting called negative, 
getting called doom or whatever 

974
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,440
for pointing out the obvious 
signs of, of what we're now 

975
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,920
seeing lest what is it like 6 
months into Trump's 

976
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,440
administration. 
And here we are. 

977
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,480
It's today's July 1st, right? 
So we've got six months of data 

978
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,640
now to look at. 
And I think those of us who were

979
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,640
calling out Trump and concerned 
about the presence of Bilderberg

980
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,040
members around him and what WF 
members around him and 

981
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,320
technocrats and Zionists, 
etcetera have been proven 

982
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,440
correct and we are only 1/8 of 
the way through this thing. 

983
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,840
What's the moral of the story? 
Then. 

984
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,360
Don't trust politicians. 
Don't trust politicians. 

985
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,680
I mean, I don't think there's 
any. 

986
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,080
I don't see how any. 
I don't know. 

987
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,320
I don't want to be demeaning. 
I don't want to be demoralising 

988
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,680
to people. 
Do what you think works best for

989
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,440
you. 
But I don't see how an informed,

990
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,440
educated adult, I'm only 40 
years old, you know, I don't 

991
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,160
claim to be an expert or, you 
know, the most educated person 

992
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,200
on the planet, but I don't see 
how people can continue to watch

993
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,240
what we're witnessing, not just 
in the United States, but I know

994
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:32,160
the same patterns repeated 
elsewhere, the UK and Canada 

995
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,920
and, and, and South Africa and 
across Europe, where people keep

996
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,240
falling for the next person 
that's promising to come along 

997
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,840
and fix this situation. 
And I guarantee you there will 

998
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,320
be another one. 
There's, you know, whether it's 

999
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,840
going to be JD Vance in a couple
of years or even I see people 

1000
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,520
like Thomas Massie in the US. 
He's a, he's a great guy in 

1001
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,320
terms of principle. 
He calls out a lot of things. 

1002
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,200
But I'm sure I could see him in 
a couple years saying I'm going 

1003
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,200
to run for president and I'm 
going to be the one that's going

1004
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,120
to fix everything. 
RFK, you know, all these kind of

1005
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,720
promises. 
There will always be another 

1006
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:01,840
person to come along that 
promise that they're going to 

1007
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,800
fix things. 
And even if that person 

1008
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,040
genuinely has the best 
intentions and isn't a member of

1009
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,880
a secret society behind the 
scenes or isn't working for the 

1010
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,840
Jesuits or, you know, the 
Venetian Black Nobility, or it 

1011
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,080
doesn't have any ties, like they
could be the cleanest person, 

1012
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,560
the system will corrupt them and
they will end up selling out 

1013
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,120
because you don't get into these
positions of power. 

1014
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:23,240
You definitely don't get 
anywhere near the presidency in 

1015
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,480
the White House or being a Prime
Minister without being groomed 

1016
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:28,800
for that position. 
So this narrative that people 

1017
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,880
have bought into that somehow, 
you know, the, the, the 

1018
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,200
Democrats never saw Trump 
coming, and neither did the 

1019
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,360
Republicans and the media. 
We all thought Hillary was going

1020
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,640
to win. 
It was just, Oh my God. 

1021
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,680
To me, that was all part of the 
operation, too. 

1022
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,200
It had to seem, it had to seem 
magical. 

1023
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,600
It had to seem like nobody could
have imagined this happen. 

1024
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,000
And somehow beyond all odds, 
Trump got in there. 

1025
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,480
Now he's just wrecking the 
system. 

1026
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,600
Like, I just think for me, the 
narrative is to not fall for 

1027
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,560
politicians and to not believe 
that politics is going to fix, 

1028
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,440
fix our way out of this. 
You know, one of my great 

1029
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,440
inspirations, he's now deceased.
His name was John Trudell. 

1030
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,920
He was a Native American 
activist. 

1031
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,040
And back in the 60s and the 70s,
what was called the Red Power 

1032
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,680
movement back then or the 
American Indian movement, they 

1033
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,120
were some of the last people to 
have literal physical gunfights 

1034
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,280
with the US government. 
And I don't think that's the 

1035
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,600
solution. 
And then they learned very 

1036
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,800
quickly that wasn't the 
solution, but they were the last

1037
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,200
like radical natives who were 
like pushing back against the 

1038
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,720
government because of violations
of treaties and things like 

1039
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:25,760
this. 
And John Trudeau has this really

1040
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,280
great speech where he, he talked
about how in the 60s he's like, 

1041
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,480
we had this movement for radical
ideas and people were wanting 

1042
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,000
change. 
And then all of a sudden they 

1043
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,840
started talking about voting and
they started talking about going

1044
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,920
into the system. 
And, and you know, he just 

1045
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,760
basically says, like, we can't 
win as long as we're playing the

1046
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,080
game. 
You know, the system knows how 

1047
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,040
to handle us. 
If we vote, they're just going 

1048
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,040
to keep putting puppets out 
there for us to fall for. 

1049
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:49,440
They know how to handle us. 
If we choose violence, they, you

1050
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,240
know, they're going to come out 
with their wrecking crew and 

1051
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,600
their, you know, their 
militarised police state and, 

1052
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,200
and slam people down who think 
that violence is going to be the

1053
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,000
answer. 
And they definitely know how to 

1054
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,920
deal with apathy. 
If we choose to just drop out 

1055
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,200
and do nothing, we'll think 
they're going to just March 

1056
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,720
forward with their agenda. 
The only thing they don't really

1057
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,240
know how to handle is if we stop
playing their game and we try to

1058
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:11,840
build systems and solutions 
outside of the systems that they

1059
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,640
control. 
And that's a big task. 

1060
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,440
It's not just go press a button 
once every four years and then 

1061
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,920
somebody else is going to solve 
it for you. 

1062
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,560
As I said earlier, that tends to
involve changing your habits, 

1063
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,800
changing your lifestyle, really 
becoming activated. 

1064
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,280
And, and that's what I try to 
focus on. 

1065
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,120
And I did want to mention just 
briefly that if people are 

1066
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,960
interested in learning more 
about that idea of exit and 

1067
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,280
build, as I call it, my book, 
How to Opt Out the Technocratic 

1068
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,000
State is you can download it for
free. 

1069
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,160
There's a free audio book. 
Of course you can buy it if you 

1070
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,880
like, but you can find it at 
theconsciousresistance.com/how 

1071
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,040
to. 
And I also put together a free 

1072
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,600
45 day exit and build challenge.
I actually did this around the 

1073
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,360
election last year kind of 
leading up to the election and 

1074
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,040
just encouraging people like if 
you're going to vote, go ahead, 

1075
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,880
that's fine. 
But I also encourage you to 

1076
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,360
learn about this idea and do 
both learn about exit and build 

1077
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,840
and getting out of unplugging 
from the digital systems and 

1078
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,640
from the banking system and from
these various systems that I 

1079
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,240
call it slavery systems or that 
they soon will be slavery 

1080
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,400
systems. 
And then you can still vote, but

1081
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,760
see which of these actually 
brings value to your life. 

1082
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,240
And so if people want to check 
out that, that's 

1083
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:19,840
theconsciousresistance.com/EXB, 
just the letters EXB and it's 

1084
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,920
completely free. 
It'll take you through this idea

1085
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,000
applied to your food, to your 
finances, to technology. 

1086
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,040
And it's just like you do one of
these a week and see what comes 

1087
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,520
out of it. 
Because this is really where I 

1088
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,320
put my energy into is trying to 
build alternative parallel 

1089
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,440
systems. 
I think that is going to be the 

1090
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,280
key. 
I don't know if it'll solve all 

1091
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,080
of our problems, but I know that
voting and continue to play that

1092
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,200
game definitely isn't going to 
solve our problems. 

1093
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,480
Do you wake up? 
Happy are you? 

1094
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,160
Do you wake up with purpose? 
Absolutely every. 

1095
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,080
Single day, man. 
I mean, I woke up this morning, 

1096
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,360
I knew we had an interview, woke
up, jumped in the shower, got 

1097
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,440
ready for this. 
I, I mean, I love, I love to do 

1098
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,720
the things that I am blessed to 
do. 

1099
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:02,400
You know, this, I never had the 
idea. 

1100
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:03,880
I didn't go to school for 
journalism. 

1101
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,120
I didn't ever think like, OK, 
I'm going to become an activist 

1102
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,280
and in one day I'll do 
interviews and you know, I'll 

1103
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,160
write books or do this sort of 
stuff. 

1104
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,160
It all, it all has genuinely as 
genuine as I can be, come from a

1105
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,920
place of just wanting to empower
myself, educate myself, of 

1106
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,080
course, but then share that 
knowledge with other people. 

1107
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,360
And I tend to find that because 
I focus on solutions that I have

1108
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,400
less time to be focused on the 
doom and the scrolling and, and 

1109
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,760
all that stuff. 
I'm too busy creating. 

1110
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,080
I'm too busy collaborating with 
people like you to, you know, 

1111
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,360
just get sucked into like, oh, 
doom and everything's screwed 

1112
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,800
and there's everything's 
hopeless. 

1113
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,840
And so I think there definitely 
is a correlation between the 

1114
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,920
more action oriented you are and
the less fear you have. 

1115
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,240
If you're doing nothing and 
you're just literally consuming 

1116
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:49,920
podcasts and watching 
documentaries while you, you 

1117
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,360
know, just watch the world get 
worse, then I'm sure that is a 

1118
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,640
pretty dark place to live. 
But for me, I've anything, I 

1119
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:00,640
feel like this path is given me 
a purpose that I don't know that

1120
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,160
I had before. 
What are you listening to at 

1121
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:03,680
the? 
Moment. 

1122
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,920
Is there anything in your 
playlist? 

1123
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,840
I've got the Livingtons playing 
at the moment in my car. 

1124
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,160
Oh nice. 
I'm not familiar to check them 

1125
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,480
out, you know, so it's 
interesting. 

1126
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,600
I still do listen to to punk and
metal here and there, but and I 

1127
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,160
don't, I don't think I've grown 
out of it, although I've become 

1128
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,640
I got a little sick of some of 
them during COVID, watching them

1129
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,000
shield the vaccines and 
everything. 

1130
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,760
But these days I so I've also 
always been a punk metal 

1131
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,480
vocalist. 
That's what I did prior to 

1132
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,120
activism. 
I've always been in bands and 

1133
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,560
now I'm I still make music, but 
I do conscious hip hop with just

1134
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,800
myself. 
You know, it's kind of easier 

1135
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,720
with how busy I am with 
everything else just to work 

1136
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,080
with the producer and make 
music. 

1137
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,040
So what I'm listening to right 
now is my own music. 

1138
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,240
I have a new song coming out 
this week that is pretty much 

1139
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:44,640
about what we're talking about 
here. 

1140
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,160
The the chorus is they think 
they can divide us, but we won't

1141
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,400
let them win. 
We are stronger together, more 

1142
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,080
united than we've ever been. 
They're trying to divide us, but

1143
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,480
they can't stop the free people 
because we're manifesting a 

1144
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,360
future where all life is equal. 
So that's kind of what I'm 

1145
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,800
jamming right now. 
I did hear. 

1146
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,280
Something of yours recently, but
I love when you said you listen 

1147
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:11,000
to your own music. 
If I can't, If I can't. 

1148
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,480
Do my own music that I probably 
shouldn't be making it right. 

1149
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,520
All right, Derek Bros, thank you
for joining me in the trenches. 

1150
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:20,320
I thank you, brother. 
Appreciate. 

1151
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:20,440
You.