None. It's been a long time since we
last chatted, hasn't it? Yeah, I think what, 2 years,
maybe 3. Can't be that long or.
Maybe 2 years for sure I would say.
And as much as things change, they stay the same.
Absolutely. The trend is clear.
It's just moving in the same direction.
It's terrible. Do you think most people are
dumb? No, I don't think so.
I think, you know, they're all gifted with reason.
The problem is that they don't use it independently of another
person's guidance. And they're just, they receive
all those informations and they just, you know, they don't think
about what it actually means or what it could mean for their
future and so on. So they're just driven by those
news, you know? No, but I mean, I mean, Claudio,
I thought that there were a lot of smart people, you know,
during the COVID era, I thought a, we are we are going into a
new paradigm and now it's as though it never happened.
I wouldn't say so. I wouldn't say so.
I mean, of course, OK, I'm in the physical gold business.
Unfortunate, unfortunate that I can't deal with people who share
the same values, the principles of liberty and non aggression
principles, you know, humble entrepreneurs.
I mean, all of them are entrepreneurs.
They're not, there's not even one manager among those clients,
which is quite interesting. But yeah, I think, you know,
they, they see the same as we do.
I mean, everyone is preparing. People are buying gold.
As you can see, you know, silver, especially the rest of
the world, it's not the West which is the big buyer or
responsible for the upswing in, in gold and silver through the
rest of the world. But yeah, people are travelling
around. I have, I just come back from
Asia to check out Bali and Singapore.
So I'm always travelling. I've been to Costa Rica, looking
at this country. I was in Asia a few months ago
too. OK, that's not, I mean, I, I
really have to say, you know, I have been travelling past two
years a bit more. I had to restart again, let's
call it that way. And so the first time that I
really felt very positively surprised was when I went to
Bali, because I mean, that's the, that's the only I've been
there the last time 10 years ago.
And wherever I went to in the past, you know, usually all
these countries turned into the worst direction.
But I had the feeling that Bali and Java is much more, more
nicer than 10 years ago, much more clean.
And at the same time, people are really happy.
You know, they're all smiling. You feel, you really feel
welcome. I mean, it's completely
different than when you're travelling in Europe and, and
the United States. I mean, it's kind of collective
depression, you know, among the masses.
And Asia is, yeah, different. So it wasn't, it was a nice
trip. It was a good trip.
Good to see. I-1 upped you?
I went to China. OK, tell me.
I was pleasantly surprised. That place is next level.
Yeah, I mean China has been built up by central planning
with the the money of the West. Mao was a Yale man.
I mean you will find an article from William Buckley, Yale
University, Yale, Yale Chronicles 1973 front page
saying Mao was a Yale man. And then we had case injury,
yeah, when they. Hang on, hang on though.
It's not the central planning is not quite correct.
I think it's a bit of a trope. I mean, it's, it's fairly
decentralised. You, it's it.
I know it sounds crazy, but I would argue that China's
probably more decentralised than the USI mean in terms of its
federal in terms of its federal structure.
OK. Yeah, I mean, and still, you
know, China is a very authoritarian government at the
end of the day. It is quite authoritarian, yes.
I mean, you have to be if you've got 1 1/2 billion people,
otherwise you have India. Yeah, of course.
I mean, question is always do they really have 1.5 billion
people? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
We're only 5 minutes in. Baby steps.
We've got to work our way there. No, I think right now I just
heard, you know, I mean, Si XI Ping has some issues with the
military leadership. So I also heard from people in
China that they were not so happy with, especially what
happened during corona and so on.
So I, I, I really, I think, you know, it's hard.
I mean, as you know, these days there is so much, all the news,
everything we see. I think still, I think 80
percent, 90% is bullshit, especially when you look at the
mainstream media. I mean, they don't tell us
what's really all about. I mean, it's that they're
pushing their own agenda, their Hollywood script, you know, how
to control and divide and fear the masses and that's it.
So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on and, and I
think, you know, a lot of people are preparing.
A lot of people realise what's going where we are heading.
And I mean, of course, you know, sensorisation is becoming
bigger. It's you're not free, you're not
allowed to speak up. What you think, you know, for
the wrong opinion, you might be gaoled.
I mean, so this agenda is, you know, pushed also heavily
forward in the Western world, which also leads to the fact
that more people don't speak up. And you know, and I mean, it's
really, it's a luxury to have your own opinion.
I basically, I'm really OK. I'm also in Switzerland.
So I still hope, you know, we have a bit, we were the, the
most free country in terms of culture when we look at the
history of Switzerland because, you know, we really butchered,
you know, everyone who wants to try to get to steal our liberty
or our property for 200 years. We basically killed all those
schmucks, you know, the Hobsborgs and the Burbonians and
all the, all the royalties. And we were, you know, called
the the cows with the anarchists from the mountain.
So, so I mean, the freedom of speech, it's something in
Switzerland, you know, I mean, you still can, you don't, you
don't have any issues so far. It's, it's really more that most
of the people are not free to speak because otherwise they
lose their job or they have no friends or I don't have no clue.
I mean, it's it's a luxury to these days to have your own
opinion. World War 3 is a form that
you're working on, is that right?
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's the same.
It's the same. I mean, OK, it's it's a good
friend of mine from Washington, DC He basically asked me if I
would help to produce the movie I did together with him also our
first movie, which was was done in the same way.
We, we started in 2020, in April, we started interviewing
people about Corona and out of this, out of these interviews
came down the, the movie Planet Lockdown, which has been
censorised. I mean, the first interviews
came out, we have been blackmailed and censorised on
Google, everywhere, Facebook within 72 hours.
But still we reached out to 20 million people per Forbes and
Washington Post. But that was the first movie
that we produced together. And now the second one is
basically also we just interviewed roughly 22 people,
especially in the United States, in the UK, in France, in
Germany, also in Switzerland. So that's where we focused on.
So we had Ron Paul, of course, who opened up the interview
series. We just published his interview
last week. In the next few hours, I'm going
to release the next one with General Kuyat.
So he used to be the Chief Inspector of the Bundeswehr.
So the highest military function and also the the relay between
politics and military. And so you know, the guy was in
charge. I think his peak was around
2000, 2005. He was also chairman of the NATO
Commission, chief of staff Commission.
So he was, so he was responsible in the past, you know, how to
establish a mechanism to have open communication channels and
to keep a kind of balance of power strategy.
So he established all those joined Russian NATO Commission,
joined Ukraine NATO Commission, stuff like this.
So when people were interacting and he gives a good lecture how
basically the Western world pushed us into this war in
Ukraine. And he also says, you know,
especially Europeans over the last few years, especially since
Trump, that the Europeans really are the war mongers that they
are pushing that they're, you know, they're really, yeah.
They want to have this war. You know, it's the West that is
basically the aggressor. And, and not, not just, you
know, Russia, who basically as a as a, as an answer to, to
Western politics and, and doctrines invaded Ukraine on the
24th of February or whatever it was.
So I mean, yeah, so we're talking about cause and effect
and not only about the symptoms in this, in this movie.
So we have Kuyat. We have Douglas McGregor in the
States. We have Wilkinson, Wilkinson,
former chief chief of staff of Colin Powell.
We have Charles Freeman, American ambassador, Jewish guy.
You know, he has been in Saudi Arabia everywhere.
I have Peter Ford. He used to be my ambassador when
I was based out in Syria a few years ago or two decades ago,
let's call it that way. He was the British ambassador
and he was pretty funny because I asked him, So what is the main
task of a British ambassador in the Middle East?
And he has been, he joined the Foreign Service in 197071 and
was really in all different kind of ambassador, ambassador
positions all over the Middle East for, you know, 30-40 years.
And so he told me, well, you know, the main task is to sell
weapons for British Aerospace. So I mean, so we have then we
have the the former chief of intelligence, Alan Jouye, you
know, it's basically the the French national service, like
the CIA comparisable some other French generals, high ranking
officials. We have general fart.
He used to be the the political advisor of Angela Merkel.
So we have really Prince Michael of Eichenstein.
So we really have Scott Horton, Libertarian Institute, excellent
guy when it comes to understanding of international
war and especially Afghanistan, Iraq and so on the whole Middle
East. So, so I think it's great
interviews and based on these interviews, So we released the
interviews now weekly, on a weekly basis basically, you
know, because the movie is always cocked and maybe you
know, one guy gets two or three minutes in the movie.
So we thought it's important that we release the interviews
first kind of a, of a teaser for the movie itself, but also to
have full transparency from the beginning so that everyone, you
know, it's, I mean, we, we of course we cut the, the
interviews a bit, but really only that stuff which was
irrelevant or you noise stuff, which, yeah, I mean, you, you
start the conversation and then you basically cut it down to
the, to the, to the sand, you know, to the substance of it.
Not to make it, you know, two hours, but maybe to have it in
an hour and 2030 minutes. But what World War Three?
Why that label? Yeah, because I mean, that's,
you know, you know, when you look back into history, of
course, every 80 years we had a reset.
If you go back 80 years in the Second World War, you go back
another eight years, war of in single war in the United States,
the big movements, the big changes in Europe, you know,
French Revolution, that kind of stuff.
You go back another eight years, it's the war of independence in
the United States. So every eight years we had the
kind of reset and the last two world wars basically were about
dividing Europe and Asia, especially Germany and Russia.
Because you know, the Brits, we had this old Halford Mac in the
doctrine heartland theory, basically saying you know, the
British, the British, they control the world because they
control the Seaways. They control the trade on the
global scale. That's why they have the empire
if they lose the Seaways of the trading hubs and so on, or goods
are being moved on the on the land and then the Brits would
lose their empire. And of course when Germany and
Russia First World War before it, I mean Germany at the end of
the 18th century produced more steel than Russia, France and UK
together. And also when it comes to the
ability to read and write and and count, I mean, in Germany,
you, you had I think 90% were literate.
And while in the, in the, in the surrounding countries, I mean,
made 2/3 of the people were not able to read and write.
So, so I mean, yeah, so we have this, I think this is still
also, I mean, you know, the British when they lost the
empire to the to the Americans, Rosinski took the same strategy
in his big chess board. Also, how to, you know, we have
to avoid that Europe and Asia gets together if the trade
becomes, you know, from Vladivostok to Lisbon.
I mean, then if that gets together, then we don't have, we
lose a lot of influence in Europe.
And there is no, there is no US empire possible any longer.
And I think that's, that's exactly the same stuff we are in
again. And that's why also, yeah, I
mean, war is, you know, we, we also looked at the political
ratings of Macron and Stormer and merits in Germany and so on.
I mean, they are hated. You know what's 68910 percent of
the people still stand behind these guys.
The rest really hates them. So whenever you have internal
problems, then you try to find an an enemy outside, you know,
to to reshape and to refocus. Yeah, divide and conquer.
At the end of the day, you know, make sure that they don't think
about you, but that they start fighting migrants and, I don't
know, wars and. Yeah, is Europe tickets.
Is Europe. Tickets.
Has it gone? Is it sinking?
Yeah, definitely. I think you cannot hold it.
I think Europe is in the focus, especially Germany, of course.
So there is, you know, we are de industrialising Europe.
We are, yeah, they are blowing pipelines up.
They this, this, this melon fraction.
Politicians, I always call them a melon fraction outside green,
inside red and the core brown. You know, they have the actual
political agenda that we have to switch to all those green bull
shaped sources. And so they actually promote
those of this war against Ukraine and Russia.
I mean against Russia, of course, because it takes their
agenda. But at the same time, I mean,
it's not possible that we can't live or operate in Europe with
green energy. It's just, it's a it's a not a
joke. It's it's a joke and that's what
they're doing. So I mean, they're also
lockdown. So I mean, it's whatever they
do. It's basically also a war
against the small and mid sized companies.
It's a war against the middle class.
It's a war against, you know, the productive people.
So we are at focus even by our own governments and and this is
the agenda. Yeah.
I mean, I had an interview with Prince Michael.
Let me give you Prince Michael had an interview, I think a few
years ago that's also recorded. So he told me that he had an
interesting conversation with a high level official from the
OSCD, you know, the organisation security and cooperation in, in
Europe. And so the guy was telling
Prince Michael what they have in mind for us in the future.
And then Prince Michael said, that was my moment of awakening.
He said, he said, well, if if you're going to implement those
kind of steps, then there will be no private wealth, no private
savings. And then the guy from the OSCD
smiled very nicely, looked at him and said, yeah, well, that's
basically true. But, you know, we have to steer
the economy and they can only steer people in debt, but they
cannot steer people with wealth. And so that's what that's what
it's all about. I mean, what we are witnessing
right now is, as I said 5-6 years ago, it's a cultural
revolution. You know, the West stood up for
individualism. So the individual stands above,
you know, the collective. It's based on self ownership.
You know, we own our own body and mind.
It's a God given right or we have given that right by birth.
Nobody, not even the government has the authority, you know, to
rule over our mind or body. Because if, if they can do that,
then there is no private property at all.
And that's, that's, that's where we are at the moment.
I mean, we're really going away from an, from an enlightened
society with Kant and Voltaire, you know, and all the big
philosophers, we're going back to barbarism and those rulers
and sociopaths who, who truly believe that they are somehow
anointed or God chosen to play, you know, his deputy on earth
because they are so super smart and whatever.
I mean, they are, they are all, I mean, sociopaths completely,
but they are the rulers and they are that's, you know, a
centralised system is, is, yeah, it's centralised.
And you have minority because I mean, even even the idea, you
know, that the idea of the state, you know, the state is
the big fiction that everyone believes it can live on the cost
of everybody else. So I mean, you know, the state
gives promises to the people that they that they get
something for free. And, and when they accept that
kind of idea that we need state to govern ourselves, I mean,
then they already give in also to to the idea that they are
rulers and servants, you know, because it will be a two class,
it's a two class society or two class system.
We have a few guys. I mean, it's, it's such a joke
because, you know, I mean, we, we believe that the majority of
the people are not capable to lead themselves, but they are
stupid. But out of but we're going to
elect some people which we believe are stupid that they
take over more responsibility and, you know, then rule over
us. And it's, I mean, it's, I don't
know. I mean, it's, yeah, it's people
have to organise themselves. I'm a Swiss so I what I'm
promoting for the last 5-6 years was decentralise.
You know, we can we can organise everything on the lowest level
on the on the level of municipalities that or maybe of
a city, but that's it. You know, so we that because
democracy, especially direct. I mean it also means at the
Asper Aristotle is the great philosopher Demos, you know, the
village karate of the rulers. What do they call it?
Philosopher Kings. Yeah, yeah.
I'm actually a fan of, of of dismantling democracy.
I I don't like the idea that that mob rule is the order of
the day. I fully agree.
And that's why I'm saying, you know, the only way it's going to
work is, you know, if you keep it as low as possible, you know,
because you have to limit the wishes of the people, but you
also have to limit the power of the, the bureaucrats which have
to admin. I mean, we always have to
organise ourselves somehow. I mean, it also makes sense that
we that we have a doctor, you know, living nearby and that we
might build the hospital together with some other states,
you know, to reduce costs and so on.
So people want to organise themselves, which is OK.
But I think we have, you know, so direct democracy.
I mean, I'm Swiss, so that's basically our story.
That's our story. And that's part of our culture.
I believe in the competition of ideas, you know, I truly believe
maybe, you know, let's look at Singapore.
If there is, you know, a centralised system is a, is a
ruler somehow, you know, that might work, you know, or if
there is a king somewhere in Africa, I don't know.
I mean tribes or different cultures, different, I mean
rule, the rule of law comes out of culture.
And so we don't have one system that fits it all.
But I think it's really it has really very much to do with the
with the culture within the country.
And honestly, the Swiss, I mean, we always stood for, you know,
we are precise. You know, a handshake is a
handshake. We don't cheat.
I mean, OK, let's say at least before we had the big before
middle of the 90s, you know, when the whole world turned into
this US empire, MTV, Moppet show sing global act local.
You need an executive MBA to compete in today's world.
And all this, all this crap started, you know, and then,
yeah, which was also, I mean, it's, yeah, it's, you know, we
need, we need decentralised structures.
And if people, you know, and we need the competition of ideas,
meaning, you know, if let's you let's assume here in
Switzerland, I live in Zuk. If the content of Zuk believes
that we should be capitalised, freedom of speech, freedom of
assembly, low taxes or no taxes whatever, that should be
possible. And if Germany, Zurich, the city
of Zurich, if they decide to become a socialist paradise and
everyone owns everything and no private property and you have to
sing the international him every morning, I mean, then they
should do it as well. You know, let's let's try which
which idea is going to. I mean, at the end of the day,
people want to have yeah, food and shelter and hopefully, you
know, some even want more. Well, I mean, Klaus Schwab wants
you to own nothing and be. Happy.
I mean, Schwab is, I mean, it's, I mean, I saw a video with
Epstein yesterday. I saw the interview that the
conversation he had with Steve Bannon and that was pretty, that
was pretty interesting because, you know, Epstein has been sold
to us as the, the wild sex guy, you know, child parties and so
on and blackmailing people. But so Epstein was a choosen 1.
He was really, you know, he was, he was chosen by Rockefeller.
He joined the Trilateral when he was 30.
He was at the board of the Rockefeller Foundation.
I mean, he had contact, close contacts with the Rothschild
family. You know, he was really the big
mover. Much, much, much more important
than than we always thought. So, so, I mean, it's a
centralised system, you know, it's, and then of course, we
have a centralised monetary system, we have these central
banks. So they can't create money out
of scenario, you know, they can't, they can't decide how
much interest they want to charge.
They can also decide who is going to receive the funds and
who's not, who is too big to fail.
You know, they also know the cycles when they, they know the
crash is coming, when we increase interest rates and when
we lower it, you know, then it's so, and this is, and this, this
money system is, is a, is a big fraud.
And some people are still in there, you know, for 203 hundred
years. So it's, it's a centralised
system with centralised structures.
And then you have certain, certain families which are more
important than others. And, and, and these clubs, you
know, the council formulations, the trilateral, the Bilderbergs,
the World Economic Forum, I mean the, the Freemasons, you know,
then of course we have also a scientist, a Jewish mafia.
So all these because they also believe, I mean everyone who
believes that they are God chosen, that they are better
than others, fit into this club which we are not in.
Have you read Hans Herman Hop's book Democracy, the God That
Failed? Yeah.
Absolutely. Of course, I'm a big fan.
I know Hans pretty well. It's a it's a great.
I learned a lot from Hans, and this is the book Democracy I I
wanted to establish a classic literal party 20 years ago with
a friend of mine because we thought, let's let's go into
politics and, you know, let's bring some more liberty and
freedom. And then I read Hans's book and
afterwards I had to say, hey, forget about it.
We cannot go into politics, you know, because politics is always
force and we don't want to use force.
So it's the wrong direction. And so we've cancelled those
stuff again. But I mean, his core argument
is, is superb. I mean, basically democracy is
tyranny of the majority. And it's it's a threat to.
To freedom, Absolutely. By it's very by it's very
design. You know, no, it's a mob rule.
Yeah, it's really 51 go, you know, A goes together with B to
rob C and the next time B goes together with A to rob whatever.
So it's it's mob rule. It's it, it, it state also it
contains the wrong motivation. It's always about the
distribution of wealth. Stealing, Yeah, and also steal
your shoes. But if I get 51% in an election
in in a poll, you know then it then it will be OK.
But it's also unstable. Robbery.
But it's also unstable because it's completely open to
infiltration by foreign interests.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, sure, sure.
I mean, democracy is not sovereign.
As I said, as I said, you know, the only, I mean, because I'm
thinking about, OK, I always tried to push the people are
also looking for new ideas or for solutions for the future.
And they, they went through this Corona, They have seen what's
that, that the government basically crossed the red line
with Corona. I think a lot of people realise
that, you know, we have a constitution and, and in the
Constitution we are protected, but all the governments all over
the world basically ignored the Constitution, you know, and, and
I think there was really a red line which a lot of people
realised, OK, I mean, if they do it once, they're also going to
do it the second time. So no, So that's then I was, I
basically always said, OK, Swiss history is decentralisation.
That's why we never had the government and we never had the
king. We have 7 presidents even today
in the system, you know, we don't have only one.
So we always had this division of power and until 1848 we
basically had a pretty good system which was limiting that
power. And so democracy, as I said, you
know, if you if you're limited to the to the the village that
you are living in, I mean, then then it's OK because you can
only vote on stuff which you are directly impacted.
But you cannot vote and somebody else outside of your village has
to pay for it because that's today's the network democracies
and all we, if we in the German speaking part have the majority,
we might rob, you know, the Western speaking part or we
might rob always. I mean, yeah, the more you scale
it, the more it gets corrupted. If you keep it as low as
possible. I think that's at least, you
know, it's part of our history. It's part of the Swiss history.
So therefore, I think, I mean, they're always talking about
build back better. I mean, they want to bring us
back to the stone ages. But I think when it comes to to
the political system of Switzerland, definitely, I mean,
then, you know, we should go back to what made us prosper and
free. And that was a non centralised
Swiss system at the end of the day, containing of of cantons
and also the democracy. Really.
You had to go to a square in the in the on the place and you had
to vote yes or no and everyone had to show that he was saying
yes or no. I mean, so it's.
But even that, even that is not all that great.
I mean, why must you vote? Just remove voting altogether.
And let's go back to, I don't know, kings, dictators who are.
Benign. No, I mean, I mean.
I also, I mean if I look, look, if I could choose, I mean.
It's private. Think about it.
Hold on, hold on, hold on to a monarch right governs because of
private property. I mean, it's the ultimate.
Yeah, I mean, he owns everything.
So if he's a smart, if he's a smart and sound monarch, then he
he makes sure that he doesn't kill his own people and that he
does not destroy his own wealth, that he's basically marrying and
trying to establish a more secure whatever.
I mean, so yeah, you own so. But I mean, monarchs.
Yeah. You know, I don't want to.
I don't I'm not the property of Sony guy claiming he's to be a
monarch because they was the biggest.
They were the biggest crooks a few 100 years ago.
The. Biggest amount of troops and
they were stealing and then they finally from pirates or whatever
for criminals, they became monarchs.
But of course there are I know all the monarchs.
I mean, I know some royal members.
And of course, when I look at the the Liechtenstein family, I
think that's I always got the very sound.
I mean, I would rather prefer to live under the Liechtenstein
rule because liberals, you know, they understand private
property, at least they're respected.
You know then not to live under the Malpatro that I'm in right
now with all this waste clowns we have in burn.
But I mean, that's the point that I'm making.
I mean, a monarch has a long term interest if he just goes
and kills the people who live on on his land and what?
That's ridiculous because then he doesn't get any.
He doesn't get any agriculture, etcetera, etcetera.
He obviously wants like a farmer, right?
A farmer who's got farm workers living on his land.
He wants them to be happy so that everything becomes
productive. There needs to be a symbiosis.
Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, as I said, you know, we
need, I mean, you know, what do what do I want?
I mean, I always said, you know, now it's the time to find the
right neighbours. I basically want to be
surrounded with, with individuals who are, who
understand that they own themselves, you know, they are
their own. So they're responsible for their
acts and deeds, you know, takes self responsibility.
They believe in private property.
They don't steal. I mean, they, they believe in
the non aggression principles. They don't steal, they don't
betray, they don't kill. I mean, it's, it's pretty
simple, you know, and, and when I look around here in
Switzerland, then I truly, you know, we don't need, I mean,
some people believe that if we don't have a government
tomorrow, mass killing will start a mass slaughter and
everyone is going to rob the other and so on.
And I think, you know, if you would have no government in
Switzerland in certain areas, you know, the next day it would
be, you know, just a big party and people could restart
thinking, you know, how to be really productive.
But Claudio? Claudio.
But what about the roads? Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, why do we, you know, government build roads?
I mean, what, this is the biggest, this is the biggest
mafia we have in in the country. You know, the local construction
mafia. If it wasn't for the government,
we wouldn't have roads, Claudia, because nobody knows how to
build a road other than the politicians.
Yeah. You know, the most prosperous in
the past, you know, the most prosperous regions became the
ones who had not that many roads because the roads were always
used by the tax collectors. So, you know, the mountain area
and Switzerland going up to the mountain on these heavy small
roads, there was an advantage back then.
But yeah, I mean, no, I mean, we don't need government for
nothing. I mean, honestly, we don't need
to be governed. You know what we have, but we
have to. Yeah.
We, you know, we we should not, we should not just be a piece of
meat with walking around with a brain which we not use.
You know, we really should. Yeah.
We are gifted, Homo sapiens mean gifted with reason.
So every, I mean, every single person.
It's it's not dumb or, you know, stupid.
He might be brainwashed or he might be just, you know, very
materialistic living just into the day.
And you know, but this what they are, what they lack is basically
independent thinking. And also to really trying to
grasp what's going on and then come to your own conclusion.
Just to think about it once, what does it mean when they
lock, when the government says we lock down everything, You
have to stay at home. You're not allowed to go
outside. And So what does that mean?
You know, how can they do that? Why are they?
I mean, and that is, that's the beginning of the journey.
You know, when people start thinking independently, that's
why it will be so important that they can also speak freely,
because the only way to enlighten but people is by
having direct conversations and to really exchange, you know,
ideas without being afraid to be locked away.
So that's why we we need freedom of speech.
But I. Mean, I would argue that
property rights trump freedom of speech.
Property rights trump freedom of speech.
I would say that they come first.
I mean, you know, private property starts with self
ownership. Yeah, that's.
So we own our own body in mind. So it goes all together.
Yeah, you know, from Because when we own our own body in mind
and you know, freedom of speech is private property, but.
It's, yeah. But why I'm saying that?
Yeah. But Claudia, why I'm saying that
is because if we look at people around us, the, the, the
protesters and those who want to be part of movements and freedom
fighters and all this kind of stuff, they always, they always
fight for speech. Very rarely do I see them
fighting for property rights. Yeah, I mean, they don't.
I mean these are just political Mapacho identity groups which
have been created by, you know, the mass, the mainstream media.
And and so they are also, they have, you know, I mean, it's
very much collectivism, Marxism, you know, it's the illusion, the
house, whatever it's. Yeah.
But they have it's, it's toxic. They're poisoned.
They understand something's wrong.
But then, of course, you can also lead them into a wrong
direction. And as long as they just repeat
what they are being told and accept the enemy that they have
been given and so on, you know, simple, Yeah.
Simple answers, but it's all about it's really.
Yeah, that's how it works. I mean, for that's the oldest
agenda in town. That's how it works.
Well, that's why I was bringing up monarchy earlier, because
monarchy is about property rights.
And, and although I'm not a fan necessarily of, you know, being
a peasant in a Kingdom, I I think it does outweigh that of
being in a democratic society. We, we where it's more Brule.
Ultimately, I think Hans Herman Hop was arguing for natural
order as the best, where we basically govern our communities
based on voluntary agreements. But I mean, that's kind of like
what Plato was talking about, where a city shouldn't really be
bigger than 5000 people, more or less.
Because you're saying that once, once it goes beyond that, you,
you no longer know the people. Everybody becomes a number and
then it then then it becomes more complicated.
Yeah, no, I mean agreed, agreed. I mean, we don't need, but I
give you, let let me give you an example when it comes to
Switzerland with this. Even if you hated this direct
democracy on the municipality level, I mean, so we still have,
you know, so we have the municipality.
Meaning if I was living in home and my municipality or the
people leaving the municipality were raising taxes and so on, I
always had the possibility to move to another village 500
metres away, which had lower taxes.
You see. I mean, so we, so even when you
keep it on that low level, you always have to competition even
between the, the different villages and, and cities and so
on or regions. So that keeps, you know, as long
as you have the freedom to move or, or to decide with your
feats, then then is then there is competition.
And then of course, if, if one municipality is just going the
in the wrong direction, I mean then they're going to run out of
people. So I'm just saying, I mean there
are different of course I don't, I could live, you know.
Yeah, I mean somewhere and once we need a road or whatever, I
mean we could, I would have to gather anyway a few people
together and, you know, trying to organise down the street.
So I'm just saying we always need to organise ourselves
because most of the people, I mean, when you talk about
anarchy and anarchy means nothing else than without
rulers, you know. But if you talk about them, you
know, we need anarchy, no rulers and so on, Then they always,
they, they react a bit shocked because they cannot imagine what
that, what this means. You know, for most of the
people, anarchy means total chaos and destruction, which is
basically the interpretation of the left.
But it's called anomaly. You know what they understand on
their anarchy anomaly. And so I think, you know,
sometimes you have to give the people also an idea.
And I think in Switzerland, the best idea I was able to to grasp
whilst then we just go back to what we did in the past and
which really led to, to the free nation that we have become.
And the last 2530 years, I mean, it has been changed, of course,
tremendously, like everywhere, you know, middle of the 90s when
the Soviet Union collapsed. I mean, I was back then, I was
in the, in, in the, in global business, working for airline
companies. I mean, I realised how fast, you
know, everything changed and how the new Muppet Show and script
and the mass media and yeah, U.S. dollar rest of the world
reserve currency and, you know, fueling the system with credit
and so on. How how fast it took place, you
know. But what I was, what I was
alluding to also is that you're talking about anarchy, which
means without rulers. Now I live on, I live on the
African continent. So by default, we are more
anarchist than the rest of the world.
But that that's not necessarily a good thing, but it also is a
good thing. It just depends on where you,
where you're coming from. I prefer having a broken system
like that because it's difficult to explain unless you live here.
But there is a sense of freedom that comes with that chaos.
We can get away with more, if that makes sense, because we
don't have the the tight top down imposition of the state.
However, it does mean that we have everything.
Everything around us is broken just about right, like nothing
really works. But it also forces you into a a
sense of self reliance, independence.
You need to make things work because you can't rely on the
government. No, I think that's, as I said,
you know, it's different regions, different cultures.
That was also the beauty of our planet, you know, that we had
all those different cultures in in, in all different places.
And we can see that it's all this stuff is being destroyed as
well. You know, this cultural Marxism,
you know, mangle all together, destroy every single culture.
But yeah, I, you know, at the end of the day, you just want to
be surrounded with, with sound individuals, you know, and I
don't, I mean, when I look at my close friends, I mean the
closest ones that they all live abroad.
Some are, some are in Egypt, some are in the States, some are
in Asia, some are in other European nations.
And then I have, I mean, yeah, you know, it, it has to do with
the individual as such and also the principles he believes in.
And I and as long because we are gifted his reason.
So reason always drives us towards the good, you know,
because when once people realise that, yeah, we should not steal
and betray because we also don't want to be stolen and betrayed.
And it makes sense not to kill someone because you also want to
go out and have, you know, not a good evening without being
threatened that somebody could shoot you and so on.
So it's, it's really, I mean it, it stands and falls with the
individual and has nothing to do with any kind of government or
whatever. But the individual as such has
been also very much influenced by, by the local culture.
And so, yeah, you know, I just want to have good people and
there's good people surrounding us who don't want to steal and
don't, don't make. But that's the Yeah, but that's.
But that's exactly the point, Claudio.
I think people in the sort of natural habitat, if you just
leave people alone, they tend to get on right because nobody
wants conflict. The people who want conflict are
those in power, almost always. They live.
They live from it. Divide and conquer.
There's a Galien Dalactic problem, reaction, solution, and
then you drive them forward. Biden, Trump, what else now is
coming? And of course, the moment the
government says you cannot carry a gun, that should be a huge,
huge red flag. Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Especially if you're led by the system we are in.
If they want to take away your guns, I mean, then you can't be
sure that the government will come after you.
And so here in Switzerland, of course, fortunately, we are all
armed. I think, I think Switzerland is
one of the most armed countries in the world.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, they also try to
restrict it a bit more and so on.
But we have, haven't we? We never had any big issues.
You know, we don't have those mass shootings like in the
States, which. Which are false flags anyway.
Of course, of course, of course I mean.
Those those are designed to reduce.
So those are designed to reduce gun ownership.
Gone. Absolutely.
But I mean, still, I mean, still it's a more violent culture in
the States in general when you compare it now, although
incidents with weapons and so on, than over here in
Switzerland. But we have about the same and
we hardly have any issues. So that just shows, you know,
that Switzerland still consists of a more sound society, you
know, then then for example. Because yeah, I mean, I mean,
America is, you know, for the lost since they took over the
the empire from the Brits. You know, for 70 years they have
been bombing the shade out of the rest of the world and the
regime change and and they destroyed, you know, their yow's
sending them to wars. You know, they come back when
they're 20 and so on. And it's terrible.
I mean, oh, look at the ice. I think these are all former
military guys, you know, so they were trained how to treat, you
know, the people in the Middle East.
And now they do the same with the Americans at home.
So it has an influence. And Switzerland, of course.
Yeah. We never had the war for a few
100 years now. And we never, we never fought
the war. We never.
Yeah. So it's it's more peaceful.
Yeah, but that's also, that's also an interesting observation
because apparently, Claudio, that if you have a society with
guns, there'll be more violence. Not really, no, no.
But we train, we train, you know, we, we have, we have
weapons that we can defend ourselves against the tyrannical
government. At the end of the day, that is
the basic idea of Thomas Jefferson or whoever or, or or
the judging A Politomo said once.
We don't have arms to shoot, dear.
We have arms to defend ourselves against the totalitarian
government. But that's But that's the point.
So in other words, if everybody in the country is armed, the
government will actually fear the citizens.
Yeah, sure, definitely much more.
Yeah, yeah. But the more sophistic, I mean,
there is also Carol Quigley wrote once a book about the arms
and he said the more specialised the the arms become, the more
totalitarian becomes the whole system.
And when we had the invention of the, the cult, you know, Samuel
cult, so everyone was able to buy weapons and so on.
I mean, overall that level came, that level came down again.
And now of course, I don't know. I mean, I have the feeling that
all those weapons, you know, now we can see that a lot of money
is fuelled into the military industrial complex.
So I have the feeling, you know, that these weapons in the future
might be used against the own population, you know, these
drones and all that stuff. So, so these weapons are
becoming more sophisticated and they have an advantage began to
know normal individuals with a pistol or a rifle, whatever.
So we'll see how it will turn out.
But the development overall is not pro individual.
It's it's really a bit more pro authoritarian state.
I have found, Claudia, that over the last few years there has
been a strong push in the sceptical slash, conspiratorial
slash alternative space for sovereignty.
You know, it's about bringing, it's fighting for sovereignty
again. But it's also become a bit of an
empty phrase because what do they mean?
Because that can also lead to a collectivization of of society,
which takes you back to kind of socialist, communist thinking.
Well, I mean, as I said, you know, I think at the end of the
day, important is, you know, the direction we are going and you
cannot, we cannot switch it anyway from A to B, you know, to
change from this system into another one.
We're going to have you, we're going to have a huge, you know,
we're going to have this World Economic depression.
We're going to have war, we're going to have federal wars.
That's what's coming anyway. We have, we're going to have
shortages, fame, stuff like this.
I think that's all coming. That's all linked.
I mean, that's what we have seen every eight years, but what's
coming out of it, we don't know yet.
And so as I said, you know, I just want to be surrounded with
sound individuals and I I think, you know, human beings
basically. I mean love and, you know, as
long as love exists, I mean, then it's then the game is not
over. So but you know how they want to
organise themselves. Hey, I mean, yeah, different
salute. Let's, we just have to, we just
have to come to the conclusion that people can organise
themselves and on, on a certain region and no one is going to
interfere and they should look after themselves if their model
is working. And then, but I mean, you have
to start somewhere, right? Now, well, I mean, you, you've
started somewhere by bringing out this new documentary.
You're informing. Yeah.
But maybe I don't expect that it will have a huge impact of
course, but I hopefully, but that's why.
But that's why I asked you at the beginning of the
conversation. Are most people?
Dumb. Now they're just selling sheeps.
I mean, the problem is really that's what we have seen this
Corona. I mean it is really you know,
or, or let's, let's let's call it that way, you know, only the
slave does not want to become free.
He wants to become the slave master.
So I, I distinguish between, you know, servants and free
individuals. And I have to say that I'm
surrounded with free individuals.
And I also have my Plan B where I, it's a small village, not too
many people, you know, a bit off grid.
So if stuff is coming, then I go there.
And if, if more stuff is coming, then I pick my gold.
And then I moved somewhere else. No, but yeah, I have to.
Yeah. The world is changing and I
don't have a solution. And, you know, there is no, you
know, the future will show. You know how, where if if you're
going to have enough, I'm sure we're going to have enough sound
people. And they will gather together
guys who share the same principles.
You know, that's that's all. But you also prepare through
gold and silver. Yeah, because gold and silver is
money, nothing else. It's the hardest currency on the
planet. It's also to me, it's also sound
money because you know, whenever people decide to exchange their
Fiat or paper wealth, whatever into physical precious metals, I
mean that that money is out of the system.
It's not being used, you know, for fractionally served banking
and all that shit. You know, basically the, the
system that that defines the system which is going to enslave
us. You know, it's, it's out and,
and, and you own it and you can move it.
And I think in the days which are coming, yeah, you can always
an an ounce of gold purchased a villa in Berlin during the
Weimar Republic. You know, when all these
artificial wells is an artificial denominated paper
currencies, Swiss franc or EUR, whatever, when this is going to
collapse, I mean, then, then you need money and then that's gold
and silver. And that's why also these prices
are going up. And yeah, it makes, it makes
absolutely sense because, yeah, because paper money is
depreciating. It's not that the price of gold
is rising. An ounce of an ounce of gold is
always an ounce of gold. You know what the paper paper
price for an ounce of gold is, is changing.
And mainly it's the depreciating of, of, of paper money because
they print more, they reduce interest rates again.
So you know, all the money in circulation when there is new
liquidity injected, then it's, it's losing, it's losing value,
of course. And the US dollar already lost
99% versus gold since 1971. So you still can buy a little
bit of gold with your U.S. dollar.
But I don't know how long you know this, this will last.
I think we really go in two, 2-3 years.
I think that's the peak. Of course, nobody knows.
What do you make of what do you make of Bitcoin?
I mean, I, I used to be a big fan of cryptocurrencies and then
I think 10 years, 12 years ago, we started doing conferences
about the denationalisation of money and it's great to have a
private player in competition with central banks and so on.
So the idea of, of crypto and, and Bitcoin back then, I, I very
much embraced it. And I see today and also I see
the people and how the movement has changed.
And then also that the hash or you know, that is coming from
the NSA or CIAI think it's, I think Bitcoin used to be the
teaser for the digital system that we are seeing being
established heavily and, you know, artificial intelligence,
Corona lockdowns, stay at home, all that stuff.
And that Bitcoin was just, you know, teaser that, you know, the
digital side, the digital future.
That's what it's all about. But overall, I honestly, I mean,
I don't, I own, I own a little bit, but there was always money.
I thought there. I, I purchased 10 years ago, I
think, and I haven't checked it out since then.
I, I purchased Bitcoin, Etherium and Monero and but you know, I'd
rather have hold my gold and silver and I think Bitcoin maybe
it's, maybe it was a fraud, you know, from the beginning could
be, I would not exclude that thought any longer.
A Central Intelligence operation to get us ready for stable coins
and CBD, CS and digital ID. Yeah, yeah, so to say.
I mean, Bitcoin is completely useless for me.
I also have Bitcoin, but I can't do anything with it.
I mean, I've got a wallet. Oh.
Oh, it's a cool talking point. Yeah, I've got Bitcoin.
OK, cool. What do you do with it?
No, nothing. It's pretty limited.
Yeah. I did not manage.
I mean, it never became money. You know, it could be some
people use it for real estate. I think that's the only
transaction of the one of the biggest cases that it's useful.
But yeah, I mean, even if it goes up to me, I mean, of
course, I mean, let's let's assume if I have some money and
now I have to decide, do I want to buy treasure bonds or
Bitcoin? And I don't need it for the next
few years, most likely I would also pick Bitcoin, you know,
because it's still better than the treasury bonds and all that
stuff which is going to disappear anyway.
But overall, no, I mean, the whole blockchain move,
everything is transparent, you know, everything is in the
blockchain. I mean, yeah, the other side,
you know, there every coin has two sides.
So to have that technology in a fully decentralised system would
be amazing. I think it would be, it would
allow tremendous advantages and prosperity and everything.
But in a, in a centralised system, it's, I mean, it's the
end, you know, it's the, it's total control, of course, and.
I think it's been Co opted anyway.
You mean what Co opted? But go on.
I don't understand the the question for you.
You have to elaborate a bit. No, I mean, I think like
BlackRock and some of the huge players now have have have got
into the game. Oh, yeah.
OK, yeah, I mean, it's definitely, I mean, you know,
Bitcoin also when I OK, I'm in the gold and silver.
I mean, so I was looking at the silver price over the last 10
years. And so that was silver was
hardly moving, hardly going anywhere.
And, and I just realised, you know, even when we came into the
new bull market for precious metals and silver, steel was
quiet. And then I just because you
know, the last bull market we had 2000 to 2011.
I mean, the guys who really want, you know, the
institutional money, the money managers and so on, the ones who
understood in which cycle we are going.
I mean, they were always buying silver because they were looking
for, you know, high, high, higher prices, bigger chances to
make, you know, a bigger gain. And so it was always the
speculative side who moved into silver, but that side was
missing for the past 10 years. So these guys were all buying
crypto. So even if you look at the
Western world, I mean, they have 0.6% is, is in physical precious
metals or is in precious metals at all, 0.6, I mean, hardly
nothing, but they have much more cryptos.
So I mean, crypto has also been brought up as a competitor to
gold. Of course.
That's why they were always talking about digital gold and
so on. But I think, yeah, overall, I, I
truly believe it could be part of this.
Yeah, of the script. You know, as you said before, I
I also, I would today based on the information I have on the
observations I made, I would also come to that conclusion.
OK Claudio, how can my audience watch World War Three and find
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on. I mean, it's all there.
Claudia Gross again, my friend, thank you for joining me in the
trenches. Always a pleasure Chairman, Take
good.