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maybe 3. 
Can't be that long or. 

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And as much as things change, 
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Absolutely. 
The trend is clear. 

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It's just moving in the same 
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It's terrible. 
Do you think most people are 

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dumb? 
No, I don't think so. 

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I think, you know, they're all 
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The problem is that they don't 
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person's guidance. 
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all those informations and they 
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about what it actually means or 
what it could mean for their 

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future and so on. 
So they're just driven by those 

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news, you know? 
No, but I mean, I mean, Claudio,

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I thought that there were a lot 
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during the COVID era, I thought 
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new paradigm and now it's as 
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I wouldn't say so. 
I wouldn't say so. 

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I mean, of course, OK, I'm in 
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Unfortunate, unfortunate that I 
can't deal with people who share

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the same values, the principles 
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principles, you know, humble 
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I mean, all of them are 
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They're not, there's not even 
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which is quite interesting. 
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they, they see the same as we 
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I mean, everyone is preparing. 
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As you can see, you know, 
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the world, it's not the West 
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responsible for the upswing in, 
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rest of the world. 
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Bali, because I mean, that's 
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these countries turned into the 
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welcome. 
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different than when you're 
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the United States. 
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depression, you know, among the 
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Good to see. 
I-1 upped you? 

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I went to China. 
OK, tell me. 

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I was pleasantly surprised. 
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with the the money of the West. 
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I mean you will find an article 
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University, Yale, Yale 
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saying Mao was a Yale man. 
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yeah, when they. 
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It's not the central planning is
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decentralised. 
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probably more decentralised than
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know, China is a very 
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end of the day. 
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otherwise you have India. 
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heard, you know, I mean, Si XI 
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military leadership. 
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China that they were not so 
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everything we see. 
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mainstream media. 
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what's really all about. 
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pushing their own agenda, their 
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to control and divide and fear 
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think, you know, a lot of people
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bigger. 
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allowed to speak up. 
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the wrong opinion, you might be 
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that more people don't speak up.
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really, it's a luxury to have 
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I basically, I'm really OK. 
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most free country in terms of 
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history of Switzerland because, 
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you know, everyone who wants to 
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schmucks, you know, the 
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all the, all the royalties. 
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the the cows with the anarchists
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Switzerland, you know, I mean, 
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don't have any issues so far. 
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of the people are not free to 
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lose their job or they have no 
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World War 3 is a form that 

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you're working on, is that 
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It's the same. 
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friend of mine from Washington, 
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would help to produce the movie 
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first movie, which was was done 
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We, we started in 2020, in 
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people about Corona and out of 
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came down the, the movie Planet 
Lockdown, which has been 

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censorised. 
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Google, everywhere, Facebook 
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Washington Post. 
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especially in the United States,
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Germany, also in Switzerland. 
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series. 
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So he used to be the Chief 
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politics and military. 
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2000, 2005. 
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joined Ukraine NATO Commission, 
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basically the Western world 
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Ukraine. 
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especially Europeans over the 
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Trump, that the Europeans really
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are pushing that they're, you 
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They want to have this war. 
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basically the aggressor. 
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know, Russia, who basically as a
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Western politics and, and 
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former chief chief of staff of 
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I was based out in Syria a few 
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let's call it that way. 
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was really in all different kind
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positions all over the Middle 
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weapons for British Aerospace. 
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the CIA comparisable some other 
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officials. 
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So we have really Prince Michael
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guy when it comes to 
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war and especially Afghanistan, 
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interviews and based on these 
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interviews now weekly, on a 
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first kind of a, of a teaser for
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interviews a bit, but really 
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irrelevant or you noise stuff, 
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start the conversation and then 
you basically cut it down to 

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the, to the, to the sand, you 
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Not to make it, you know, two 
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an hour and 2030 minutes. 
But what World War Three? 

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Why that label? 
Yeah, because I mean, that's, 

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you know, you know, when you 
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course, every 80 years we had a 
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If you go back 80 years in the 
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another eight years, war of in 
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the big movements, the big 
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French Revolution, that kind of 
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You go back another eight years,
it's the war of independence in 

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the United States. 
So every eight years we had the 

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kind of reset and the last two 
world wars basically were about 

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dividing Europe and Asia, 
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Because you know, the Brits, we 
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doctrine heartland theory, 
basically saying you know, the 

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British, the British, they 
control the world because they 

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control the Seaways. 
They control the trade on the 

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global scale. 
That's why they have the empire 

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if they lose the Seaways of the 
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are being moved on the on the 
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lose their empire. 
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Russia First World War before 
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the 18th century produced more 
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ability to read and write and 
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empire to the to the Americans, 
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in his big chess board. 
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becomes, you know, from 
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mean, war is, you know, we, we 
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ratings of Macron and Stormer 
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I mean, they are hated. 
You know what's 68910 percent of

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the people still stand behind 
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The rest really hates them. 
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problems, then you try to find 
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to to reshape and to refocus. 
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At the end of the day, you know,
make sure that they don't think 

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about you, but that they start 
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know, wars and. 
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Is Europe. 
Tickets. 

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Has it gone? 
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I think Europe is in the focus, 
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So there is, you know, we are de
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We are, yeah, they are blowing 
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They this, this, this melon 
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Politicians, I always call them 
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inside red and the core brown. 
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political agenda that we have to
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shaped sources. 
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those of this war against 
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agenda. 
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it's not possible that we can't 
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green energy. 
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joke. 
It's it's a joke and that's what

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lockdown. 
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against the small and mid sized 
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So we are at focus even by our 
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the agenda. 
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I mean, I had an interview with 
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Let me give you Prince Michael 
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years ago that's also recorded. 
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interesting conversation with a 
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OSCD, you know, the organisation
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Europe. 
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Prince Michael what they have in
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He said, he said, well, if if 
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kind of steps, then there will 
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savings. 
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smiled very nicely, looked at 
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basically true. 
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the economy and they can only 
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cannot steer people with wealth.
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it's all about. 
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right now is, as I said 5-6 
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revolution. 
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individualism. 
So the individual stands above, 

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you know, the collective. 
It's based on self ownership. 

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You know, we own our own body 
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It's a God given right or we 
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Nobody, not even the government 
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rule over our mind or body. 
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then there is no private 
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And that's, that's, that's where
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I mean, we're really going away 
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society with Kant and Voltaire, 
you know, and all the big 

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philosophers, we're going back 
to barbarism and those rulers 

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and sociopaths who, who truly 
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anointed or God chosen to play, 
you know, his deputy on earth 

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because they are so super smart 
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I mean, they are, they are all, 
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but they are the rulers and they
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centralised system is, is, yeah,
it's centralised. 

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And you have minority because I 
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know, that the idea of the 
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the big fiction that everyone 
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of everybody else. 
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gives promises to the people 
that they that they get 

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something for free. 
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kind of idea that we need state 
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then they already give in also 
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rulers and servants, you know, 
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it's a two class society or two 
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We have a few guys. 
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because, you know, I mean, we, 
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the people are not capable to 
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stupid. 
But out of but we're going to 

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elect some people which we 
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take over more responsibility 
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us. 
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know. 
I mean, it's, yeah, it's people 

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have to organise themselves. 
I'm a Swiss so I what I'm 

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promoting for the last 5-6 years
was decentralise. 

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You know, we can we can organise
everything on the lowest level 

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on the on the level of 
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a city, but that's it. 
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democracy, especially direct. 
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Asper Aristotle is the great 
philosopher Demos, you know, the

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village karate of the rulers. 
What do they call it? 

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Philosopher Kings. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I'm actually a fan of, of of 
dismantling democracy. 

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I I don't like the idea that 
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the day. 
I fully agree. 

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And that's why I'm saying, you 
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work is, you know, if you keep 
it as low as possible, you know,

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because you have to limit the 
wishes of the people, but you 

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also have to limit the power of 
the, the bureaucrats which have 

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to admin. 
I mean, we always have to 

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organise ourselves somehow. 
I mean, it also makes sense that

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we that we have a doctor, you 
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might build the hospital 
together with some other states,

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you know, to reduce costs and so
on. 

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So people want to organise 
themselves, which is OK. 

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But I think we have, you know, 
so direct democracy. 

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I mean, I'm Swiss, so that's 
basically our story. 

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That's our story. 
And that's part of our culture. 

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I believe in the competition of 
ideas, you know, I truly believe

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maybe, you know, let's look at 
Singapore. 

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If there is, you know, a 
centralised system is a, is a 

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ruler somehow, you know, that 
might work, you know, or if 

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there is a king somewhere in 
Africa, I don't know. 

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I mean tribes or different 
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rule, the rule of law comes out 
of culture. 

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And so we don't have one system 
that fits it all. 

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But I think it's really it has 
really very much to do with the 

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with the culture within the 
country. 

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And honestly, the Swiss, I mean,
we always stood for, you know, 

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we are precise. 
You know, a handshake is a 

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handshake. 
We don't cheat. 

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I mean, OK, let's say at least 
before we had the big before 

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middle of the 90s, you know, 
when the whole world turned into

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this US empire, MTV, Moppet show
sing global act local. 

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You need an executive MBA to 
compete in today's world. 

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And all this, all this crap 
started, you know, and then, 

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yeah, which was also, I mean, 
it's, yeah, it's, you know, we 

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need, we need decentralised 
structures. 

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And if people, you know, and we 
need the competition of ideas, 

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meaning, you know, if let's you 
let's assume here in 

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Switzerland, I live in Zuk. 
If the content of Zuk believes 

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that we should be capitalised, 
freedom of speech, freedom of 

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assembly, low taxes or no taxes 
whatever, that should be 

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possible. 
And if Germany, Zurich, the city

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of Zurich, if they decide to 
become a socialist paradise and 

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everyone owns everything and no 
private property and you have to

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sing the international him every
morning, I mean, then they 

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should do it as well. 
You know, let's let's try which 

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which idea is going to. 
I mean, at the end of the day, 

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people want to have yeah, food 
and shelter and hopefully, you 

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know, some even want more. 
Well, I mean, Klaus Schwab wants

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you to own nothing and be. 
Happy. 

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I mean, Schwab is, I mean, it's,
I mean, I saw a video with 

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Epstein yesterday. 
I saw the interview that the 

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conversation he had with Steve 
Bannon and that was pretty, that

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was pretty interesting because, 
you know, Epstein has been sold 

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to us as the, the wild sex guy, 
you know, child parties and so 

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on and blackmailing people. 
But so Epstein was a choosen 1. 

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He was really, you know, he was,
he was chosen by Rockefeller. 

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He joined the Trilateral when he
was 30. 

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He was at the board of the 
Rockefeller Foundation. 

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I mean, he had contact, close 
contacts with the Rothschild 

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family. 
You know, he was really the big 

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mover. 
Much, much, much more important 

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than than we always thought. 
So, so, I mean, it's a 

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centralised system, you know, 
it's, and then of course, we 

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have a centralised monetary 
system, we have these central 

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banks. 
So they can't create money out 

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of scenario, you know, they 
can't, they can't decide how 

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much interest they want to 
charge. 

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They can also decide who is 
going to receive the funds and 

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who's not, who is too big to 
fail. 

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You know, they also know the 
cycles when they, they know the 

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crash is coming, when we 
increase interest rates and when

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we lower it, you know, then it's
so, and this is, and this, this 

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money system is, is a, is a big 
fraud. 

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And some people are still in 
there, you know, for 203 hundred

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years. 
So it's, it's a centralised 

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system with centralised 
structures. 

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And then you have certain, 
certain families which are more 

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important than others. 
And, and, and these clubs, you 

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know, the council formulations, 
the trilateral, the Bilderbergs,

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the World Economic Forum, I mean
the, the Freemasons, you know, 

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then of course we have also a 
scientist, a Jewish mafia. 

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So all these because they also 
believe, I mean everyone who 

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believes that they are God 
chosen, that they are better 

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than others, fit into this club 
which we are not in. 

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Have you read Hans Herman Hop's 
book Democracy, the God That 

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Failed? 
Yeah. 

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Absolutely. 
Of course, I'm a big fan. 

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I know Hans pretty well. 
It's a it's a great. 

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I learned a lot from Hans, and 
this is the book Democracy I I 

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wanted to establish a classic 
literal party 20 years ago with 

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a friend of mine because we 
thought, let's let's go into 

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politics and, you know, let's 
bring some more liberty and 

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freedom. 
And then I read Hans's book and 

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afterwards I had to say, hey, 
forget about it. 

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We cannot go into politics, you 
know, because politics is always

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force and we don't want to use 
force. 

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So it's the wrong direction. 
And so we've cancelled those 

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stuff again. 
But I mean, his core argument 

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is, is superb. 
I mean, basically democracy is 

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tyranny of the majority. 
And it's it's a threat to. 

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To freedom, Absolutely. 
By it's very by it's very 

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design. 
You know, no, it's a mob rule. 

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Yeah, it's really 51 go, you 
know, A goes together with B to 

443
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,440
rob C and the next time B goes 
together with A to rob whatever.

444
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,800
So it's it's mob rule. 
It's it, it, it state also it 

445
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,000
contains the wrong motivation. 
It's always about the 

446
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,480
distribution of wealth. 
Stealing, Yeah, and also steal 

447
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,680
your shoes. 
But if I get 51% in an election 

448
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,520
in in a poll, you know then it 
then it will be OK. 

449
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,320
But it's also unstable. 
Robbery. 

450
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,240
But it's also unstable because 
it's completely open to 

451
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,440
infiltration by foreign 
interests. 

452
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,640
Yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah, sure, sure. 

453
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,440
I mean, democracy is not 
sovereign. 

454
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,760
As I said, as I said, you know, 
the only, I mean, because I'm 

455
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,120
thinking about, OK, I always 
tried to push the people are 

456
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,080
also looking for new ideas or 
for solutions for the future. 

457
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,400
And they, they went through this
Corona, They have seen what's 

458
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,640
that, that the government 
basically crossed the red line 

459
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,120
with Corona. 
I think a lot of people realise 

460
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:35,280
that, you know, we have a 
constitution and, and in the 

461
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,560
Constitution we are protected, 
but all the governments all over

462
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:44,760
the world basically ignored the 
Constitution, you know, and, and

463
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,760
I think there was really a red 
line which a lot of people 

464
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,920
realised, OK, I mean, if they do
it once, they're also going to 

465
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:54,800
do it the second time. 
So no, So that's then I was, I 

466
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,680
basically always said, OK, Swiss
history is decentralisation. 

467
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,880
That's why we never had the 
government and we never had the 

468
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,360
king. 
We have 7 presidents even today 

469
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:05,440
in the system, you know, we 
don't have only one. 

470
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,760
So we always had this division 
of power and until 1848 we 

471
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,080
basically had a pretty good 
system which was limiting that 

472
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:18,320
power. 
And so democracy, as I said, you

473
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,280
know, if you if you're limited 
to the to the the village that 

474
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,720
you are living in, I mean, then 
then it's OK because you can 

475
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,600
only vote on stuff which you are
directly impacted. 

476
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,880
But you cannot vote and somebody
else outside of your village has

477
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,280
to pay for it because that's 
today's the network democracies 

478
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,920
and all we, if we in the German 
speaking part have the majority,

479
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,960
we might rob, you know, the 
Western speaking part or we 

480
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,960
might rob always. 
I mean, yeah, the more you scale

481
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,040
it, the more it gets corrupted. 
If you keep it as low as 

482
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,200
possible. 
I think that's at least, you 

483
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,640
know, it's part of our history. 
It's part of the Swiss history. 

484
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,240
So therefore, I think, I mean, 
they're always talking about 

485
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,880
build back better. 
I mean, they want to bring us 

486
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,400
back to the stone ages. 
But I think when it comes to to 

487
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,800
the political system of 
Switzerland, definitely, I mean,

488
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,480
then, you know, we should go 
back to what made us prosper and

489
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,840
free. 
And that was a non centralised 

490
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,480
Swiss system at the end of the 
day, containing of of cantons 

491
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,800
and also the democracy. 
Really. 

492
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,200
You had to go to a square in the
in the on the place and you had 

493
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,480
to vote yes or no and everyone 
had to show that he was saying 

494
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,760
yes or no. 
I mean, so it's. 

495
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,040
But even that, even that is not 
all that great. 

496
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,680
I mean, why must you vote? 
Just remove voting altogether. 

497
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,000
And let's go back to, I don't 
know, kings, dictators who are. 

498
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,280
Benign. 
No, I mean, I mean. 

499
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,240
I also, I mean if I look, look, 
if I could choose, I mean. 

500
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,240
It's private. 
Think about it. 

501
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,480
Hold on, hold on, hold on to a 
monarch right governs because of

502
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,400
private property. 
I mean, it's the ultimate. 

503
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,880
Yeah, I mean, he owns 
everything. 

504
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,840
So if he's a smart, if he's a 
smart and sound monarch, then he

505
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,440
he makes sure that he doesn't 
kill his own people and that he 

506
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,480
does not destroy his own wealth,
that he's basically marrying and

507
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,680
trying to establish a more 
secure whatever. 

508
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,720
I mean, so yeah, you own so. 
But I mean, monarchs. 

509
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,720
Yeah. 
You know, I don't want to. 

510
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:31,920
I don't I'm not the property of 
Sony guy claiming he's to be a 

511
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,600
monarch because they was the 
biggest. 

512
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,960
They were the biggest crooks a 
few 100 years ago. 

513
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,040
The. 
Biggest amount of troops and 

514
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,160
they were stealing and then they
finally from pirates or whatever

515
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,120
for criminals, they became 
monarchs. 

516
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,760
But of course there are I know 
all the monarchs. 

517
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,160
I mean, I know some royal 
members. 

518
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,160
And of course, when I look at 
the the Liechtenstein family, I 

519
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,640
think that's I always got the 
very sound. 

520
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,080
I mean, I would rather prefer to
live under the Liechtenstein 

521
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,360
rule because liberals, you know,
they understand private 

522
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,120
property, at least they're 
respected. 

523
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,960
You know then not to live under 
the Malpatro that I'm in right 

524
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,760
now with all this waste clowns 
we have in burn. 

525
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,120
But I mean, that's the point 
that I'm making. 

526
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:22,480
I mean, a monarch has a long 
term interest if he just goes 

527
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,080
and kills the people who live on
on his land and what? 

528
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,560
That's ridiculous because then 
he doesn't get any. 

529
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,240
He doesn't get any agriculture, 
etcetera, etcetera. 

530
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,040
He obviously wants like a 
farmer, right? 

531
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,360
A farmer who's got farm workers 
living on his land. 

532
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,440
He wants them to be happy so 
that everything becomes 

533
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,120
productive. 
There needs to be a symbiosis. 

534
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Yeah, no, absolutely. 
I mean, as I said, you know, we 

535
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,080
need, I mean, you know, what do 
what do I want? 

536
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,200
I mean, I always said, you know,
now it's the time to find the 

537
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,400
right neighbours. 
I basically want to be 

538
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,400
surrounded with, with 
individuals who are, who 

539
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,640
understand that they own 
themselves, you know, they are 

540
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,280
their own. 
So they're responsible for their

541
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,280
acts and deeds, you know, takes 
self responsibility. 

542
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,760
They believe in private 
property. 

543
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,480
They don't steal. 
I mean, they, they believe in 

544
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,720
the non aggression principles. 
They don't steal, they don't 

545
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,400
betray, they don't kill. 
I mean, it's, it's pretty 

546
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,320
simple, you know, and, and when 
I look around here in 

547
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,120
Switzerland, then I truly, you 
know, we don't need, I mean, 

548
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,560
some people believe that if we 
don't have a government 

549
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,400
tomorrow, mass killing will 
start a mass slaughter and 

550
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,160
everyone is going to rob the 
other and so on. 

551
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,040
And I think, you know, if you 
would have no government in 

552
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Switzerland in certain areas, 
you know, the next day it would 

553
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,960
be, you know, just a big party 
and people could restart 

554
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,840
thinking, you know, how to be 
really productive. 

555
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,200
But Claudio? 
Claudio. 

556
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,760
But what about the roads? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

557
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,280
I mean, why do we, you know, 
government build roads? 

558
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,720
I mean, what, this is the 
biggest, this is the biggest 

559
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:56,400
mafia we have in in the country.
You know, the local construction

560
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,720
mafia. 
If it wasn't for the government,

561
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,920
we wouldn't have roads, Claudia,
because nobody knows how to 

562
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,400
build a road other than the 
politicians. 

563
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,560
Yeah. 
You know, the most prosperous in

564
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,920
the past, you know, the most 
prosperous regions became the 

565
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,920
ones who had not that many roads
because the roads were always 

566
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,280
used by the tax collectors. 
So, you know, the mountain area 

567
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,640
and Switzerland going up to the 
mountain on these heavy small 

568
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,480
roads, there was an advantage 
back then. 

569
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,240
But yeah, I mean, no, I mean, we
don't need government for 

570
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,720
nothing. 
I mean, honestly, we don't need 

571
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,920
to be governed. 
You know what we have, but we 

572
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,160
have to. 
Yeah. 

573
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,520
We, you know, we we should not, 
we should not just be a piece of

574
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,520
meat with walking around with a 
brain which we not use. 

575
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,120
You know, we really should. 
Yeah. 

576
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,280
We are gifted, Homo sapiens mean
gifted with reason. 

577
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,680
So every, I mean, every single 
person. 

578
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,440
It's it's not dumb or, you know,
stupid. 

579
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,240
He might be brainwashed or he 
might be just, you know, very 

580
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,040
materialistic living just into 
the day. 

581
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,520
And you know, but this what they
are, what they lack is basically

582
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,720
independent thinking. 
And also to really trying to 

583
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,560
grasp what's going on and then 
come to your own conclusion. 

584
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,520
Just to think about it once, 
what does it mean when they 

585
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,600
lock, when the government says 
we lock down everything, You 

586
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,320
have to stay at home. 
You're not allowed to go 

587
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,960
outside. 
And So what does that mean? 

588
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,639
You know, how can they do that? 
Why are they? 

589
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,480
I mean, and that is, that's the 
beginning of the journey. 

590
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,480
You know, when people start 
thinking independently, that's 

591
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,960
why it will be so important that
they can also speak freely, 

592
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,360
because the only way to 
enlighten but people is by 

593
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,639
having direct conversations and 
to really exchange, you know, 

594
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,600
ideas without being afraid to be
locked away. 

595
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,639
So that's why we we need freedom
of speech. 

596
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,600
But I. 
Mean, I would argue that 

597
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,560
property rights trump freedom of
speech. 

598
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,840
Property rights trump freedom of
speech. 

599
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,040
I would say that they come 
first. 

600
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,960
I mean, you know, private 
property starts with self 

601
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,800
ownership. 
Yeah, that's. 

602
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,560
So we own our own body in mind. 
So it goes all together. 

603
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,680
Yeah, you know, from Because 
when we own our own body in mind

604
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,960
and you know, freedom of speech 
is private property, but. 

605
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,840
It's, yeah. 
But why I'm saying that? 

606
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,720
Yeah. 
But Claudia, why I'm saying that

607
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:27,520
is because if we look at people 
around us, the, the, the 

608
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,160
protesters and those who want to
be part of movements and freedom

609
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,240
fighters and all this kind of 
stuff, they always, they always 

610
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:37,880
fight for speech. 
Very rarely do I see them 

611
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,040
fighting for property rights. 
Yeah, I mean, they don't. 

612
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,320
I mean these are just political 
Mapacho identity groups which 

613
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,560
have been created by, you know, 
the mass, the mainstream media. 

614
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,120
And and so they are also, they 
have, you know, I mean, it's 

615
00:35:54,120 --> 00:36:00,760
very much collectivism, Marxism,
you know, it's the illusion, the

616
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,400
house, whatever it's. 
Yeah. 

617
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,880
But they have it's, it's toxic. 
They're poisoned. 

618
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,640
They understand something's 
wrong. 

619
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,760
But then, of course, you can 
also lead them into a wrong 

620
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,520
direction. 
And as long as they just repeat 

621
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,040
what they are being told and 
accept the enemy that they have 

622
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,840
been given and so on, you know, 
simple, Yeah. 

623
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:26,120
Simple answers, but it's all 
about it's really. 

624
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,200
Yeah, that's how it works. 
I mean, for that's the oldest 

625
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,080
agenda in town. 
That's how it works. 

626
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,960
Well, that's why I was bringing 
up monarchy earlier, because 

627
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,200
monarchy is about property 
rights. 

628
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,760
And, and although I'm not a fan 
necessarily of, you know, being 

629
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,840
a peasant in a Kingdom, I I 
think it does outweigh that of 

630
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,160
being in a democratic society. 
We, we where it's more Brule. 

631
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,760
Ultimately, I think Hans Herman 
Hop was arguing for natural 

632
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:02,080
order as the best, where we 
basically govern our communities

633
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,880
based on voluntary agreements. 
But I mean, that's kind of like 

634
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,760
what Plato was talking about, 
where a city shouldn't really be

635
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,720
bigger than 5000 people, more or
less. 

636
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:16,520
Because you're saying that once,
once it goes beyond that, you, 

637
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,520
you no longer know the people. 
Everybody becomes a number and 

638
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,960
then it then then it becomes 
more complicated. 

639
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,960
Yeah, no, I mean agreed, agreed.
I mean, we don't need, but I 

640
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,040
give you, let let me give you an
example when it comes to 

641
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,800
Switzerland with this. 
Even if you hated this direct 

642
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,120
democracy on the municipality 
level, I mean, so we still have,

643
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,320
you know, so we have the 
municipality. 

644
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,320
Meaning if I was living in home 
and my municipality or the 

645
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:48,560
people leaving the municipality 
were raising taxes and so on, I 

646
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,400
always had the possibility to 
move to another village 500 

647
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,200
metres away, which had lower 
taxes. 

648
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,200
You see. 
I mean, so we, so even when you 

649
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,320
keep it on that low level, you 
always have to competition even 

650
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,640
between the, the different 
villages and, and cities and so 

651
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,320
on or regions. 
So that keeps, you know, as long

652
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,120
as you have the freedom to move 
or, or to decide with your 

653
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,000
feats, then then is then there 
is competition. 

654
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,120
And then of course, if, if one 
municipality is just going the 

655
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,440
in the wrong direction, I mean 
then they're going to run out of

656
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,040
people. 
So I'm just saying, I mean there

657
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,320
are different of course I don't,
I could live, you know. 

658
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,120
Yeah, I mean somewhere and once 
we need a road or whatever, I 

659
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,720
mean we could, I would have to 
gather anyway a few people 

660
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,440
together and, you know, trying 
to organise down the street. 

661
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,680
So I'm just saying we always 
need to organise ourselves 

662
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,880
because most of the people, I 
mean, when you talk about 

663
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,600
anarchy and anarchy means 
nothing else than without 

664
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,600
rulers, you know. 
But if you talk about them, you 

665
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,720
know, we need anarchy, no rulers
and so on, Then they always, 

666
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,000
they, they react a bit shocked 
because they cannot imagine what

667
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,120
that, what this means. 
You know, for most of the 

668
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,280
people, anarchy means total 
chaos and destruction, which is 

669
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,000
basically the interpretation of 
the left. 

670
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,520
But it's called anomaly. 
You know what they understand on

671
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,840
their anarchy anomaly. 
And so I think, you know, 

672
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,680
sometimes you have to give the 
people also an idea. 

673
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,440
And I think in Switzerland, the 
best idea I was able to to grasp

674
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,240
whilst then we just go back to 
what we did in the past and 

675
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:23,600
which really led to, to the free
nation that we have become. 

676
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,800
And the last 2530 years, I mean,
it has been changed, of course, 

677
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,480
tremendously, like everywhere, 
you know, middle of the 90s when

678
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,920
the Soviet Union collapsed. 
I mean, I was back then, I was 

679
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,560
in the, in, in the, in global 
business, working for airline 

680
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,360
companies. 
I mean, I realised how fast, you

681
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,840
know, everything changed and how
the new Muppet Show and script 

682
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,000
and the mass media and yeah, 
U.S. dollar rest of the world 

683
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,560
reserve currency and, you know, 
fueling the system with credit 

684
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,240
and so on. 
How how fast it took place, you 

685
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:03,680
know. 
But what I was, what I was 

686
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:09,080
alluding to also is that you're 
talking about anarchy, which 

687
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,840
means without rulers. 
Now I live on, I live on the 

688
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,520
African continent. 
So by default, we are more 

689
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,080
anarchist than the rest of the 
world. 

690
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,480
But that that's not necessarily 
a good thing, but it also is a 

691
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,960
good thing. 
It just depends on where you, 

692
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,880
where you're coming from. 
I prefer having a broken system 

693
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,560
like that because it's difficult
to explain unless you live here.

694
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,320
But there is a sense of freedom 
that comes with that chaos. 

695
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,960
We can get away with more, if 
that makes sense, because we 

696
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,960
don't have the the tight top 
down imposition of the state. 

697
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,320
However, it does mean that we 
have everything. 

698
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,760
Everything around us is broken 
just about right, like nothing 

699
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,560
really works. 
But it also forces you into a a 

700
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,120
sense of self reliance, 
independence. 

701
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,160
You need to make things work 
because you can't rely on the 

702
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,280
government. 
No, I think that's, as I said, 

703
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,920
you know, it's different 
regions, different cultures. 

704
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,800
That was also the beauty of our 
planet, you know, that we had 

705
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,680
all those different cultures in 
in, in all different places. 

706
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,680
And we can see that it's all 
this stuff is being destroyed as

707
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,280
well. 
You know, this cultural Marxism,

708
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,480
you know, mangle all together, 
destroy every single culture. 

709
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,360
But yeah, I, you know, at the 
end of the day, you just want to

710
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,480
be surrounded with, with sound 
individuals, you know, and I 

711
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,160
don't, I mean, when I look at my
close friends, I mean the 

712
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,920
closest ones that they all live 
abroad. 

713
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,880
Some are, some are in Egypt, 
some are in the States, some are

714
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,080
in Asia, some are in other 
European nations. 

715
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,280
And then I have, I mean, yeah, 
you know, it, it has to do with 

716
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,320
the individual as such and also 
the principles he believes in. 

717
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,040
And I and as long because we are
gifted his reason. 

718
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,480
So reason always drives us 
towards the good, you know, 

719
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,760
because when once people realise
that, yeah, we should not steal 

720
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,160
and betray because we also don't
want to be stolen and betrayed. 

721
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,680
And it makes sense not to kill 
someone because you also want to

722
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,920
go out and have, you know, not a
good evening without being 

723
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,800
threatened that somebody could 
shoot you and so on. 

724
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,400
So it's, it's really, I mean it,
it stands and falls with the 

725
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,760
individual and has nothing to do
with any kind of government or 

726
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,160
whatever. 
But the individual as such has 

727
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,600
been also very much influenced 
by, by the local culture. 

728
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,480
And so, yeah, you know, I just 
want to have good people and 

729
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,400
there's good people surrounding 
us who don't want to steal and 

730
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,120
don't, don't make. 
But that's the Yeah, but that's.

731
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,200
But that's exactly the point, 
Claudio. 

732
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,400
I think people in the sort of 
natural habitat, if you just 

733
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,120
leave people alone, they tend to
get on right because nobody 

734
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,360
wants conflict. 
The people who want conflict are

735
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,680
those in power, almost always. 
They live. 

736
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,280
They live from it. 
Divide and conquer. 

737
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:13,000
There's a Galien Dalactic 
problem, reaction, solution, and

738
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:20,480
then you drive them forward. 
Biden, Trump, what else now is 

739
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:26,560
coming? 
And of course, the moment the 

740
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,600
government says you cannot carry
a gun, that should be a huge, 

741
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,760
huge red flag. 
Yeah, definitely, definitely. 

742
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,480
Especially if you're led by the 
system we are in. 

743
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,600
If they want to take away your 
guns, I mean, then you can't be 

744
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,320
sure that the government will 
come after you. 

745
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,600
And so here in Switzerland, of 
course, fortunately, we are all 

746
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,760
armed. 
I think, I think Switzerland is 

747
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,560
one of the most armed countries 
in the world. 

748
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,880
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. 
I mean, they also try to 

749
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,560
restrict it a bit more and so 
on. 

750
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,200
But we have, haven't we? 
We never had any big issues. 

751
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,520
You know, we don't have those 
mass shootings like in the 

752
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,840
States, which. 
Which are false flags anyway. 

753
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,280
Of course, of course, of course 
I mean. 

754
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,120
Those those are designed to 
reduce. 

755
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,840
So those are designed to reduce 
gun ownership. 

756
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,080
Gone. 
Absolutely. 

757
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,760
But I mean, still, I mean, still
it's a more violent culture in 

758
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,760
the States in general when you 
compare it now, although 

759
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,800
incidents with weapons and so 
on, than over here in 

760
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,600
Switzerland. 
But we have about the same and 

761
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,400
we hardly have any issues. 
So that just shows, you know, 

762
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,600
that Switzerland still consists 
of a more sound society, you 

763
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,680
know, then then for example. 
Because yeah, I mean, I mean, 

764
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,400
America is, you know, for the 
lost since they took over the 

765
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,160
the empire from the Brits. 
You know, for 70 years they have

766
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,560
been bombing the shade out of 
the rest of the world and the 

767
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,480
regime change and and they 
destroyed, you know, their yow's

768
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,160
sending them to wars. 
You know, they come back when 

769
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,400
they're 20 and so on. 
And it's terrible. 

770
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,240
I mean, oh, look at the ice. 
I think these are all former 

771
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,080
military guys, you know, so they
were trained how to treat, you 

772
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,360
know, the people in the Middle 
East. 

773
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,400
And now they do the same with 
the Americans at home. 

774
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,120
So it has an influence. 
And Switzerland, of course. 

775
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,960
Yeah. 
We never had the war for a few 

776
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,640
100 years now. 
And we never, we never fought 

777
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,600
the war. 
We never. 

778
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,880
Yeah. 
So it's it's more peaceful. 

779
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,600
Yeah, but that's also, that's 
also an interesting observation 

780
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,960
because apparently, Claudio, 
that if you have a society with 

781
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:41,120
guns, there'll be more violence.
Not really, no, no. 

782
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,200
But we train, we train, you 
know, we, we have, we have 

783
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,920
weapons that we can defend 
ourselves against the tyrannical

784
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,880
government. 
At the end of the day, that is 

785
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,320
the basic idea of Thomas 
Jefferson or whoever or, or or 

786
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,840
the judging A Politomo said 
once. 

787
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,600
We don't have arms to shoot, 
dear. 

788
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,200
We have arms to defend ourselves
against the totalitarian 

789
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,800
government. 
But that's But that's the point.

790
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:15,400
So in other words, if everybody 
in the country is armed, the 

791
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,120
government will actually fear 
the citizens. 

792
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,480
Yeah, sure, definitely much 
more. 

793
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,240
Yeah, yeah. 
But the more sophistic, I mean, 

794
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:28,160
there is also Carol Quigley 
wrote once a book about the arms

795
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,800
and he said the more specialised
the the arms become, the more 

796
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,000
totalitarian becomes the whole 
system. 

797
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:39,360
And when we had the invention of
the, the cult, you know, Samuel 

798
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,320
cult, so everyone was able to 
buy weapons and so on. 

799
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,160
I mean, overall that level came,
that level came down again. 

800
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,120
And now of course, I don't know.
I mean, I have the feeling that 

801
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,840
all those weapons, you know, now
we can see that a lot of money 

802
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,360
is fuelled into the military 
industrial complex. 

803
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,440
So I have the feeling, you know,
that these weapons in the future

804
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,840
might be used against the own 
population, you know, these 

805
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,960
drones and all that stuff. 
So, so these weapons are 

806
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,160
becoming more sophisticated and 
they have an advantage began to 

807
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,920
know normal individuals with a 
pistol or a rifle, whatever. 

808
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,880
So we'll see how it will turn 
out. 

809
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:18,960
But the development overall is 
not pro individual. 

810
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,800
It's it's really a bit more pro 
authoritarian state. 

811
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,640
I have found, Claudia, that over
the last few years there has 

812
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,880
been a strong push in the 
sceptical slash, conspiratorial 

813
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,080
slash alternative space for 
sovereignty. 

814
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,960
You know, it's about bringing, 
it's fighting for sovereignty 

815
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,640
again. 
But it's also become a bit of an

816
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,320
empty phrase because what do 
they mean? 

817
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,680
Because that can also lead to a 
collectivization of of society, 

818
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,520
which takes you back to kind of 
socialist, communist thinking. 

819
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:03,560
Well, I mean, as I said, you 
know, I think at the end of the 

820
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,240
day, important is, you know, the
direction we are going and you 

821
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:11,760
cannot, we cannot switch it 
anyway from A to B, you know, to

822
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,360
change from this system into 
another one. 

823
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,800
We're going to have you, we're 
going to have a huge, you know, 

824
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,480
we're going to have this World 
Economic depression. 

825
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,520
We're going to have war, we're 
going to have federal wars. 

826
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,840
That's what's coming anyway. 
We have, we're going to have 

827
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,640
shortages, fame, stuff like 
this. 

828
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,800
I think that's all coming. 
That's all linked. 

829
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,760
I mean, that's what we have seen
every eight years, but what's 

830
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,200
coming out of it, we don't know 
yet. 

831
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,000
And so as I said, you know, I 
just want to be surrounded with 

832
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,680
sound individuals and I I think,
you know, human beings 

833
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,760
basically. 
I mean love and, you know, as 

834
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,040
long as love exists, I mean, 
then it's then the game is not 

835
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,360
over. 
So but you know how they want to

836
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,000
organise themselves. 
Hey, I mean, yeah, different 

837
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,200
salute. 
Let's, we just have to, we just 

838
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,120
have to come to the conclusion 
that people can organise 

839
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:04,320
themselves and on, on a certain 
region and no one is going to 

840
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,640
interfere and they should look 
after themselves if their model 

841
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,520
is working. 
And then, but I mean, you have 

842
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,960
to start somewhere, right? 
Now, well, I mean, you, you've 

843
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,240
started somewhere by bringing 
out this new documentary. 

844
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,400
You're informing. 
Yeah. 

845
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,640
But maybe I don't expect that it
will have a huge impact of 

846
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,680
course, but I hopefully, but 
that's why. 

847
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,360
But that's why I asked you at 
the beginning of the 

848
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,320
conversation. 
Are most people? 

849
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:39,440
Dumb. 
Now they're just selling sheeps.

850
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,680
I mean, the problem is really 
that's what we have seen this 

851
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,080
Corona. 
I mean it is really you know, 

852
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,440
or, or let's, let's let's call 
it that way, you know, only the 

853
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,560
slave does not want to become 
free. 

854
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,400
He wants to become the slave 
master. 

855
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:58,320
So I, I distinguish between, you
know, servants and free 

856
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,520
individuals. 
And I have to say that I'm 

857
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,120
surrounded with free 
individuals. 

858
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:11,120
And I also have my Plan B where 
I, it's a small village, not too

859
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,520
many people, you know, a bit off
grid. 

860
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,400
So if stuff is coming, then I go
there. 

861
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,800
And if, if more stuff is coming,
then I pick my gold. 

862
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:27,200
And then I moved somewhere else.
No, but yeah, I have to. 

863
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,040
Yeah. 
The world is changing and I 

864
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:35,640
don't have a solution. 
And, you know, there is no, you 

865
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:40,160
know, the future will show. 
You know how, where if if you're

866
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,080
going to have enough, I'm sure 
we're going to have enough sound

867
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,960
people. 
And they will gather together 

868
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,200
guys who share the same 
principles. 

869
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:57,040
You know, that's that's all. 
But you also prepare through 

870
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:02,360
gold and silver. 
Yeah, because gold and silver is

871
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,840
money, nothing else. 
It's the hardest currency on the

872
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,440
planet. 
It's also to me, it's also sound

873
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,520
money because you know, whenever
people decide to exchange their 

874
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,160
Fiat or paper wealth, whatever 
into physical precious metals, I

875
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,080
mean that that money is out of 
the system. 

876
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,840
It's not being used, you know, 
for fractionally served banking 

877
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:27,000
and all that shit. 
You know, basically the, the 

878
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,800
system that that defines the 
system which is going to enslave

879
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,960
us. 
You know, it's, it's out and, 

880
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,880
and, and you own it and you can 
move it. 

881
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:44,200
And I think in the days which 
are coming, yeah, you can always

882
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,320
an an ounce of gold purchased a 
villa in Berlin during the 

883
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,040
Weimar Republic. 
You know, when all these 

884
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:57,760
artificial wells is an 
artificial denominated paper 

885
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,040
currencies, Swiss franc or EUR, 
whatever, when this is going to 

886
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,960
collapse, I mean, then, then you
need money and then that's gold 

887
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,040
and silver. 
And that's why also these prices

888
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:13,240
are going up. 
And yeah, it makes, it makes 

889
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:17,280
absolutely sense because, yeah, 
because paper money is 

890
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,520
depreciating. 
It's not that the price of gold 

891
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,200
is rising. 
An ounce of an ounce of gold is 

892
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,280
always an ounce of gold. 
You know what the paper paper 

893
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,040
price for an ounce of gold is, 
is changing. 

894
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,160
And mainly it's the depreciating
of, of, of paper money because 

895
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,520
they print more, they reduce 
interest rates again. 

896
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,400
So you know, all the money in 
circulation when there is new 

897
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:45,600
liquidity injected, then it's, 
it's losing, it's losing value, 

898
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,440
of course. 
And the US dollar already lost 

899
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,880
99% versus gold since 1971. 
So you still can buy a little 

900
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,440
bit of gold with your U.S. 
dollar. 

901
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,040
But I don't know how long you 
know this, this will last. 

902
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,200
I think we really go in two, 2-3
years. 

903
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,560
I think that's the peak. 
Of course, nobody knows. 

904
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,040
What do you make of what do you 
make of Bitcoin? 

905
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:17,520
I mean, I, I used to be a big 
fan of cryptocurrencies and then

906
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,840
I think 10 years, 12 years ago, 
we started doing conferences 

907
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,160
about the denationalisation of 
money and it's great to have a 

908
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,280
private player in competition 
with central banks and so on. 

909
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,720
So the idea of, of crypto and, 
and Bitcoin back then, I, I very

910
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:36,160
much embraced it. 
And I see today and also I see 

911
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,280
the people and how the movement 
has changed. 

912
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,680
And then also that the hash or 
you know, that is coming from 

913
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:49,320
the NSA or CIAI think it's, I 
think Bitcoin used to be the 

914
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,800
teaser for the digital system 
that we are seeing being 

915
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,280
established heavily and, you 
know, artificial intelligence, 

916
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,880
Corona lockdowns, stay at home, 
all that stuff. 

917
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,640
And that Bitcoin was just, you 
know, teaser that, you know, the

918
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,520
digital side, the digital 
future. 

919
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,400
That's what it's all about. 
But overall, I honestly, I mean,

920
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,640
I don't, I own, I own a little 
bit, but there was always money.

921
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,160
I thought there. 
I, I purchased 10 years ago, I 

922
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,680
think, and I haven't checked it 
out since then. 

923
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:29,720
I, I purchased Bitcoin, Etherium
and Monero and but you know, I'd

924
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:34,040
rather have hold my gold and 
silver and I think Bitcoin maybe

925
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,880
it's, maybe it was a fraud, you 
know, from the beginning could 

926
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,600
be, I would not exclude that 
thought any longer. 

927
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:46,920
A Central Intelligence operation
to get us ready for stable coins

928
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:52,240
and CBD, CS and digital ID. 
Yeah, yeah, so to say. 

929
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,200
I mean, Bitcoin is completely 
useless for me. 

930
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,880
I also have Bitcoin, but I can't
do anything with it. 

931
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,280
I mean, I've got a wallet. 
Oh. 

932
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,800
Oh, it's a cool talking point. 
Yeah, I've got Bitcoin. 

933
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,920
OK, cool. 
What do you do with it? 

934
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,160
No, nothing. 
It's pretty limited. 

935
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,000
Yeah. 
I did not manage. 

936
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,520
I mean, it never became money. 
You know, it could be some 

937
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,840
people use it for real estate. 
I think that's the only 

938
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,000
transaction of the one of the 
biggest cases that it's useful. 

939
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,760
But yeah, I mean, even if it 
goes up to me, I mean, of 

940
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,840
course, I mean, let's let's 
assume if I have some money and 

941
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,920
now I have to decide, do I want 
to buy treasure bonds or 

942
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,360
Bitcoin? 
And I don't need it for the next

943
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,320
few years, most likely I would 
also pick Bitcoin, you know, 

944
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,840
because it's still better than 
the treasury bonds and all that 

945
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,040
stuff which is going to 
disappear anyway. 

946
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,160
But overall, no, I mean, the 
whole blockchain move, 

947
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,640
everything is transparent, you 
know, everything is in the 

948
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,840
blockchain. 
I mean, yeah, the other side, 

949
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,000
you know, there every coin has 
two sides. 

950
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,720
So to have that technology in a 
fully decentralised system would

951
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,760
be amazing. 
I think it would be, it would 

952
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,120
allow tremendous advantages and 
prosperity and everything. 

953
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,520
But in a, in a centralised 
system, it's, I mean, it's the 

954
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,160
end, you know, it's the, it's 
total control, of course, and. 

955
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:10,800
I think it's been Co opted 
anyway. 

956
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,680
You mean what Co opted? 
But go on. 

957
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:21,680
I don't understand the the 
question for you. 

958
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:25,560
You have to elaborate a bit. 
No, I mean, I think like 

959
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,000
BlackRock and some of the huge 
players now have have have got 

960
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,320
into the game. 
Oh, yeah. 

961
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,440
OK, yeah, I mean, it's 
definitely, I mean, you know, 

962
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,960
Bitcoin also when I OK, I'm in 
the gold and silver. 

963
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,440
I mean, so I was looking at the 
silver price over the last 10 

964
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,000
years. 
And so that was silver was 

965
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,280
hardly moving, hardly going 
anywhere. 

966
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,600
And, and I just realised, you 
know, even when we came into the

967
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,520
new bull market for precious 
metals and silver, steel was 

968
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,320
quiet. 
And then I just because you 

969
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,400
know, the last bull market we 
had 2000 to 2011. 

970
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,200
I mean, the guys who really 
want, you know, the 

971
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,600
institutional money, the money 
managers and so on, the ones who

972
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,480
understood in which cycle we are
going. 

973
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,080
I mean, they were always buying 
silver because they were looking

974
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,600
for, you know, high, high, 
higher prices, bigger chances to

975
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,120
make, you know, a bigger gain. 
And so it was always the 

976
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:23,160
speculative side who moved into 
silver, but that side was 

977
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,880
missing for the past 10 years. 
So these guys were all buying 

978
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,840
crypto. 
So even if you look at the 

979
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,520
Western world, I mean, they have
0.6% is, is in physical precious

980
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,120
metals or is in precious metals 
at all, 0.6, I mean, hardly 

981
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,720
nothing, but they have much more
cryptos. 

982
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,280
So I mean, crypto has also been 
brought up as a competitor to 

983
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:43,960
gold. 
Of course. 

984
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,960
That's why they were always 
talking about digital gold and 

985
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,160
so on. 
But I think, yeah, overall, I, I

986
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,160
truly believe it could be part 
of this. 

987
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,840
Yeah, of the script. 
You know, as you said before, I 

988
00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:00,680
I also, I would today based on 
the information I have on the 

989
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,040
observations I made, I would 
also come to that conclusion. 

990
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:14,360
OK Claudio, how can my audience 
watch World War Three and find 

991
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,600
out more about gold and silver? 
I mean, they basically can come 

992
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,040
to my homepage. 
It's Claudio grass dot chapter 

993
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,120
and there I also have a blog. 
So all the interviews are going 

994
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,240
to be released on my blog. 
They will also be released on on

995
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:33,520
the side of my friend World War 
threedocumentary.com. 

996
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,320
But if they subscribe on my 
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997
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,960
also receive all the interviews.
It's a short, you know, it's a 

998
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:46,480
text that I give give a short 
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999
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,520
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1000
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,480
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And there they also find some 

1001
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,160
information if they want to 
invest in precious metals and so

1002
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,240
on. 
I mean, it's all there. 

1003
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,960
Claudia Gross again, my friend, 
thank you for joining me in the 

1004
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,960
trenches. 
Always a pleasure Chairman, Take

1005
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:07,240
good.