None. Load up on guns.
Bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend.
Do you think Kurt was prophetic? I think Kurt was Gen.
X, and I think we all had a very dark, bleak sense of what the
future was going to hold. We knew at that point we weren't
going to have, we knew we weren't going to make the same
amount of money as our parents did.
We knew that the nuclear family was not a thing that that any of
us were probably going to have. And I think he was, you know, he
was just, he had a dark sense of humor and, and, you know, he
kind of felt the way most of us Gen.
Xers did. And now it's all coming true.
So here we are. So yes, I guess he's a little
prophetic. So I'm just, I used to be a
music journalist for like 5 minutes.
And, and so I got interested in this case a couple of years ago
and started working with, I became friends with Matt Bell,
who is a podcaster, a, you know, bigger podcaster in America.
And we started working on the case together.
We have a little team that we work with as well of amazing
people, my partner Lisa. And so we just have been
studying the case and Matt has been financing certain aspects
of the case. And we are just about ready to
go in and bring our evidence into the authorities within the
next 8 weeks here. And we've if we go back to let's
go back to April of 94, some of you out there probably were, you
know, just babies or or perhaps not even born.
But you know, you know, it was everybody.
Kurt Cobain was this larger than life rock star.
The way the media portrayed him. You know, they would take 20
pictures at a photo shoot and they would portray him, you
know, sad, grumpy. He was kind of, you know, this
whiny, hated success rock star. You know, he was the, he would
be like Peter Parker, you know, the very reticent superhero.
So he was didn't want to be doing it.
It was a burden. That's what people wanted you to
to think about Kurt. In actuality, Kurt actually had
a really good sense of humor. He's very kind.
And yeah, it was weird from a for a kid from Aberdeen, you
know, to become this huge rock star overnight because, you
know, you were, you were quoting Teen Spirit.
And that really broke very quickly.
I mean, they put in their dues and they, they toured a lot,
but, but very quickly, you know, they, they signed to Geffen and
then it was all of a sudden they're just selling, you know,
100,000 copies of their album of Nevermind every week.
So it really hit Kurt very fast. It hit the whole band very fast.
And everybody deals with fame a little bit, you know,
differently. And he did have some, you know,
some issues when you grow up kind of as as an outsider or
punk rocker. I think there's this sense of
now the jocks are listening to my music.
You mean the guys that were, you know, beating me up in high
school or picking on me. And so there was a little bit of
that sense. And so I see where people kind
of got that from, that maybe Kurt wasn't enjoying his
success, but he did, you know, end up enjoying it.
And then he, he ended up, you know, by the age of 27, the, the
media said he took his own life. Now I'm going to go through why
we why and how we know that's not true.
But it was a fairly open and shut taste.
They, they Kurt was a heroin addict and that was that was no
secret. And his wife, Courtney Love, was
also an addict. And they had a small child and.
Francis. Frances Dean Yes, exactly.
And she's a beautiful young lady now she has her own baby and,
and which is wonderful. And she's married to Riley Hawk,
Tony Hawk's son. And so I from all accounts, I
think she's doing really well, which is great because, you
know, growing up with Courtney Love as a mother cannot have
been easy. So basically what we know is in
March of 1994, Nirvana was stirring in Europe and Kurt had
bronchitis. He wasn't feeling well.
He was fighting with his wife a lot at that time.
She was cheating on him with Billy Corgan from The Smashing
Pumpkins, who she used to date. And he wanted a divorce.
So we know this is his lawyer has confirmed it.
Courtney has confirmed it. Numerous sources have confirmed
this. A few friends have have said the
same thing. So he wants a divorce.
She comes to visit him in Rome in March to bring the baby to
see him. And at that time they end up
having a really big fight. And all we know is that the next
morning he is taken by ambulance to the hospital in Italy and he
had, he's in a coma. So what we found out is that it
was an accidental overdose. He had taken Rohypnol.
Rohypnol was his wife's. It was Courtney's prescription.
Now Rohypnol, I don't know, you know, over there, but most
people know it as a date rape drug.
It's tasteless. You don't know what happened.
Usually the next day, you can't remember what happened the night
before. So Kurt wakes up in the
hospital. He's not sure what happened.
He still wants to divorce Courtney.
He writes a note that says fuck you on the note and he he
because he can't talk, he has tubes in his throat and he holds
this up for Courtney. So he has overdosed.
He's alive. She didn't think he was going to
make it. In fact, she had called David
Geffen and told him that Kurt was dead hours prior.
So she says she woke up at two or three in the morning.
Kurt was lying on the floor, fully dressed with $1000 in his
hand and a note. The note said that he was
leaving her and he she he was in a coma.
Now she calls the front desk in the hotel at about 6:00 in the
morning and says I need an ambulance.
So there's about 3 to 3 1/2 hours in between when she finds
Kurt and when she calls for an ambulance.
Now if your loved one is lying there comatose on the floor,
why? Why would you wait 3 hours to
phone an ambulance or to call the front desk to get medical
assistance? So within that time, she calls
David Geffen and tells him that Kurt is gone.
So she obviously thought Kurt was dead.
We don't know what she was doing.
It's my opinion that this was her first attempt to take Kurt's
life and she saw an opportunity. She thought Kurt had died of
this overdose and she left him there to make sure he was dead.
So they rushed him to the hospital and they save his life.
He wakes up, like I said, tubes in the throat, you know, says
something kind of nasty to her and he's OK.
The doctor comes out and says, yes, this was an accidental
overdose. He's going to be OK.
There's no, you know, there's no damage.
He's fine. And so he ends up, the tour is
cancelled and he ends up going home about the middle of March.
So we have different stories as to what happens over the next
few weeks. But what we do know is that Kurt
is still struggling. He's using and Courtney is
telling him, if you don't go to rehab, I'm not going to let you
see your daughter anymore. Now we have to remember that
Courtney is also a user as well. So it's a little bit
hypocritical. They have a, an intervention for
Kurt. So at the end of March, they
staged an intervention. Now, the people who loved Kurt,
Chris Novoselic, there were people, the people who
genuinely, I think cared about Kurt were not there.
They did not think this intervention was a good idea.
It was not a good idea. It was basically people from
Geffen management. Courtney was there, Pat Smear
was there. Dylan Carlson was there.
Dylan Carlson is, is one of Kurt's friends who we'll we'll
probably talk a little more about.
So they're at this intervention and these people are all users.
So they're telling Kurt, you need to quit, you're going to
die, you need to quit using heroin.
And he's going, excuse me, like you're all terrible users,
you're drunks, you're, you know, Alcoholics, drug addicts,
etcetera. So he loses it and kind of tells
them all off and says he's not going to rehab.
And a few days later he gives up and says that he will go to
rehab. So I believe he went to rehab
because Courtney told him he was going to, she was going to take
Francis and he was not going to be able to see her anymore.
And Francis de Ker. How old was she?
She would have been 2. She was just about two years
old, so she was just a wee thing, sorry.
For interrupting. But I saw some photographs of
Kurt with her and I mean he looked like he was madly in
love. I mean such a cute little, such
a cute little toddler. Yeah, I mean, that was, I think
she was the light of his life. And I know you can't put
yourself in the mindset of someone who's going to take
their life, but it it would be very strange.
We have there's mountains of evidence that Courtney abused
Kurt physically and mentally. So the thought of leaving, you
know, you have a a child imagining leaving your child
with somebody, you know, to be abusive when you love them so
much. So it's not like we're going,
oh, he didn't. I mean, we know he didn't commit
suicide because of the forensics, but you know, you add
on to that. Well, we know he loved this
child and leaving her with someone that he is nose is so
abusive. He is literally running away
from her. You know, this person has
physically assaulted him. She has, you know, tortured him
for two years. And you know, at that point, I
just it it's very hard for me to believe that he would leave his
daughter with this person. So he goes to rehab.
So he flies to LA and the rehab clinic is in Malibu and he goes
and, and it's, it's something he didn't have to do.
So he's not there. He's there under his own, under
his own will. So he's in there, you know, he
hands him his wallet, gives him all his stuff, hangs out there
for a few days. And Pat Smear, who is the other
guitar player in Nirvana and a good friend of Courtney's, comes
by to visit him and gives him a letter.
At this point, he's not speaking with Courtney.
She's calling Exodus, the rehab clinic, constantly and he is not
talking to her. So she sent Pat in with a
letter. We have no idea what was in that
letter, but we know that Kurt left.
He left everything there. He left his, you know, he left
his favorite jeans, his sweaters.
He left everything, grabbed his wallet at the front desk and
left and flies back to Seattle that night.
That's April 1st. So April, he gets home in the
very early morning of April 2nd. We have a witness who came
forward who was there the night that Kurt Kurt's life was taken.
And he told us that basically what happened next is Kurt had
plans to go record with Michael Stipe from R.E.M.
By the way, did you know that that this is divorced dad music,
Nirvana, R.E.M., Smashing Pumpkins?
This is what I'm told from the kids, that we're all listening
to divorced dad music. So we'll just lighten it up for
a second with that. So yeah.
So anyways, we, he, he goes back to Seattle.
He goes back to his house. So Courtney's in LA right now
and she refuses to leave Los Angeles.
She's got really pressing matters in LA, her records
coming out in a few weeks and and you know, she just, she
wants to be there in LA so. Her band, sorry, her band was
whole. Is that right?
Exactly right. And her album, which, you know,
Speaking of prophetic, is called the album that gets released
about a week after Kurt dies. It's called Live Through This.
And yeah, so the album did very, very well.
Well, her band sucked. Yeah, her band's very, very bad.
But you know, the the songs that Kurt helped with I think were
OK. The I, I actually liked
Celebrity Skin that Billy Corrigan wrote, and I hate Billy
Corrigan. So I mean, but her specifically
terrible singer, can't play guitar, just a very, very
talentless human being. But that shows you where there's
a will, you know, there's a way. They won all kinds of awards
that year, you know, best new artist, you know, just every
award you can think of whole is winning it.
So I mean, imagine the sympathy she was getting at that point at
the end of 94. So Kurt gets home on on April
2nd and they're kind of a cavalcade of people who live at
his house at this point. So there is somebody named
Michael DeWitt and they called him Callie, short for
California. He's a 19 year old kid who used
to date Courtney. And Courtney at this point is 30
years old. She sort of groomed him as,
yeah, so Callie is their male nanny and he used to date
Courtney when he was, you know, 16-17.
And then he ended up, yeah, working at and living at their
house and watching their baby. He was also an addict.
But imagine that allowing this child, I mean, child, I know
he's 19 at this point, but this young guy in your house that
used to date your spouse and watching your child, it's a very
bizarre situation. So Callie's there.
His girlfriend is there, and his girlfriend is Jennifer Adamson.
She's actually the half was the half sister of Macaulay and
Kieran Culkin. So she was there, she was
Callie's girlfriend. And then our witness Joe Burns
was there with his girlfriend and her name is Bonnie Dillard.
And Joe says that Kurt was hanging out.
He was trying to keep away from Courtney.
He knew that she had people looking for him and he was kind
of trying to just he didn't want to talk to her.
He was kind of trying to stay away from her.
And there's a greenhouse that is above was above the garage.
You know that the house is a mansion and there's a greenhouse
above the garage, so he's kind of hanging out up there.
And then he'd come into the house and have something to eat
and talk to Joe and you know the guys and then he would kind of
go back up. So they're all partying.
They're doing dope. Joe is a tattoo artist at the
time, so he's tattooing Cali. You know, they're all kind of
hanging out now. There is a guy named Dylan
Carlson. He plays in a band called Earth
and he and Kurt were were pretty good friends for quite a while.
He's also a dope addict. And Dylan Carlson comes in with
two guys that Joe doesn't recognize.
And all of a sudden the vibe changes from, hey, we're all
hanging out partying to Kurt. You're going back upstairs to
the greenhouse to do more dope. Now at this point, Kurt has
already done some dope and he is not needing to do any more dope.
Like he's he's standing up, but he like he can't really do any
more dope. So Kurt doesn't want to go.
Kurt is fine where he is. He's sitting in the kitchen.
He doesn't want to go back upstairs to do more dope.
And Dylan's trying to fast talk him to go back up to the
greenhouse. So finally a guy who's there
with Dylan, who Joe doesn't know, says fuck it, we're going
and they start pushing Kurt up to the greenhouse.
Now Joe at this point is there with his girlfriend.
He doesn't really know what to do.
He's friends with Kurt. He knows something weird's going
on, but he there's no, in no universe is Joe thinking they're
going to go up there and shoot him.
They don't think. He doesn't think that they're
going to go kill his friend, right?
So they take Kurt up to the greenhouse.
Joe and his girlfriend Bonnie are still kind of sitting down
there. Callie is now trying to get them
to leave. Callie's going.
OK, look like you got to go. Just not just leave the house,
leave Washington state. So he's saying, you know what,
like there are cops all around here and Joe thinks he's talking
about dope. Joe thinks Kelly wants him to
leave because they're they're doing heroin.
And, you know, obviously that's, you know, that's kind of a big
deal. So he thinks that This is why
Kelly's trying to get him to leave.
So he and Bonnie go out to the driveway and they're waiting for
Kelly. Kelly's going to come with them
and his girlfriend Jennifer, and that's when they hear a gunshot
go off and they kind of freak out.
They get in the car and they take off.
So they go to Jennifer's house and then they're just kind of
dazed for a few days. They don't know what's going on.
And then a few days later they find out that Kurt's dead.
But Joe's saying that everyone before this, as they're hanging
out at at Jennifer's house, is going, yeah, you know, since
Kurt's gone now. And he couldn't understand why
everybody was talking about Kurt in the past tense.
But he got the distinct sense that Callie knew that Kurt was
dead well before the police found Kurt on the 8th.
So. So we now have gotten the the
statement was kind of the first thing that we went, OK, shit.
We might actually be really close to figuring out what
happened to Kurt. So we now have two other
witnesses who we are unable to name because they they don't
want to come forward, but they have corroborated Joe's story.
We know that that Joe was there the night Kurt died.
We know Dylan was there the night that Kurt died and that
Dylan, we believe that Dylan, due to Joe's statement, had a
hand in in taking Kurt's life. Just hold on before you go any
further. What does the the gap in time
between him being shot and the police coming?
OK, so Kurt, we believe so. Joe wasn't sure.
They're there partying for a few days, so he doesn't know if this
happened from the 3rd to the 4th or the 4th to the 5th, but it.
Doesn't know when it happened. Either he said the 4th to the
5th. Now, when we're looking at the
autopsy, it may have been a day earlier.
So it could have been either of those days.
But the coroner, the medical examiner says Kurt died on the
morning of the 5th, which is exactly what Joe said.
So, so we believe he had gotten home, hung out at home for a few
days and then Dylan came, you know, a few days later and
that's that's when this happened.
So it would have been about 3:00 in the morning.
And then how long did it take for the police to come?
The police didn't find him until the 8th, the morning of the 8th.
And the reasoning, you know, the reason they even found Kurt was
because Courtney called an electrician to go to the
greenhouse and install security lights.
And she said don't go to the main house, go to the
greenhouse. Now, the greenhouse has windows
everywhere. So if there's an electrician up
there, they're going to see Kurt in there.
So, I mean, we believe Courtney knew Kurt was there.
She needed someone to find him. So they shot him and just didn't
say anything. Oh, they murdered him and left
him there. Yeah, absolutely.
And of course, she was in LA with with Francis.
Yeah, she had a very, very rock solid alibi and made sure that
she had a very good alibi, so. And nobody in the in the
neighborhood heard the gunshot. No, there is.
Yeah. And we believe so.
Joe said they used to go shoot in the back, like in the forest
kind of by Kurt's house. And he said that the shot
sounded different than a normal shotgun.
And we believe it's because it was up on the on the hard palate
of Kurt's mouth. So it's a shotgun that is
pressed up against his mouth instead of being an open fire
shotgun. So.
OK. But now that's the interesting
part. Because if he committed suicide
with a shotgun, that's very complicated.
Oh, it's so complicated and you have to.
So let's talk about the scene now.
So we have a scene that is Immaculate.
Shotgun suicides are very, very messy.
If you Google it and you need to have a strong stomach, you are
going to see brain matter, blood spatter.
It's everywhere. People who who use a shotgun,
it's a mess, you know, half of their head is usually torn off.
Now, Kurt was using a lower powered shotgun and he also had
birdshot in it. But The thing is that birdshot
still comes out as a single birdshot still comes out as a
single cartridge and then flares into the birdshot.
So it still went into his, into his brain as a single cartridge.
There is no blood at the scene. There's no blood spatter on his
hand. There is nothing anywhere.
It is Immaculate like a movie set.
And I'll tell you why that is. It's because Kurt was dead
before the gun went off. There's no arterial spray
because his blood wasn't pumping.
So when you shoot a corpse, someone that is dead, it acts.
The body acts very differently than it would act if blood was
pumping and blood was going through your veins.
The heart's pumping blood everywhere.
That's where you're getting like huge amounts of spray because
Kurt was already passed by the time the gun went off.
You have a you have a a very still dead body and that's why
you're not seeing the kind of carnage.
Now they may have cleaned up a little bit too, but that's
generally why we're not seeing the kind of carnage that you
would expect from a shotgun suicide.
So when he. Died.
Hold on, hold on, hold on. So he died, and then they shot
him. Yes, yeah.
Now, when we go for the autopsy report, we know that he died
very quickly from a heroin overdose and that there wasn't a
lot of time. So rigor mortis sets in in about
two hours. So if they would not have been
able to open Kurt's jaw and put the gun in his mouth and wrap
his hand around the the shotgun if he had been in rigor and jaw
the jaws, one of the the first things to that gets rigor.
So if they had come and found him three hours later, 4 hours
later, they never would have been able to shoot him because
his jaw would have been closed. And there's no damage noted in
the autopsy report that that would indicate that they, his
jaw was broken or any reason for us to believe that they had to
break his jaw to get the gun in there.
So we know that he died and then within probably 90 minutes, they
shot him. I mean, we believe from Joe's
statement that he died or was comatose as he's choking on his
own fluids and suffocating from this heroin overdose.
And then they they shoot him with a gun.
So it's quite quick. But the, you know, The thing is
that we know. So we know from the autopsy.
So the autopsy, we just got that release last year.
So a family member gave it to one of our colleagues and we got
the autopsy released. And we finally have had it
looked over by numerous medical examiners.
And what the autopsy shows is a man who died of a heroin
overdose. So we have, I'm not sure how
much into the weeds you want me to get into the autopsy, but.
By all means go OK. So the first thing we note on
the autopsy is that he has brain necrosis.
So it's he has he has a brain hemorrhage that's from the
shotgun. That means his brain was
destroyed by the shotgun, but he has necrosis of the brain as
well. So what that means is that
oxygen, his brain was being deprived of oxygen for minutes
before the shotgun went off. And that does not happen from a
shotgun. That happens from a heroin
overdose. So that Kurt Cobain's death
looks like this. He's given a very large dose of
heroin, and we know he was given the heroin all at once because
of the toxicology, which I'll get into in a second.
He was given a very large dose of heroin.
He starts choking on sanguinous frothy fluid, which is bile in
blood. So he's this is in his Airways,
he's choking. He doesn't have any motor skills
anymore because you lose function of your muscles very
quickly and he's dying. And he is, like I said, choking
on his own fluids and his brain is now dying.
It is, it's rotting from the inside basically.
He has necrosis of the liver as well, which means that the
oxygen was cut off from his liver.
So if you look up brain necrosis and liver necrosis, those don't
happen from a shotgun. They can only happen from
something where you're in a coma where you're dying in in a
slower process than shotgun death.
So we know from his autopsy that he had necrosis of the liver in
the brain. Then the other thing that should
be in the autopsy but isn't is aspirated blood.
So you take your last breath as the shotgun goes off and you
should be breathing in blood spatter from that shotgun.
So especially close to the mouth, he would have aspirated
blood in his lungs from breathing that last breath in.
So we know when he took his last breath, he was, he was, he was
sorry there was no shotgun wound.
He takes his last breath and then he's shot.
You know how in drowning victims, they can tell whether
the person died before they enter the water, whether there's
water in their lungs? Well, we know the shotgun didn't
kill him because there's no blood in his lungs and there
would be from the shotgun blast. So we see now that you know,
that the autopsy proves that that Kurt died rather it wasn't
a great death. We we know that, that he would
have been struggling and panicking.
Hopefully he was, he was mostly unaware of what was going on
because, you know, it was such a large dose of, of morphine,
heroin. So, so we know that he, you
know, he died. He was lying supine when the gun
went off. So he was lying there dead and
then they shot him. Now, the interesting thing is
that the gun, nobody ever thought to test the gun for 31
years. So we ended up our investor that
we're working with. He bought one of the guns and we
have another teammate who has curse exact gun and I mean,
compensator cut exactly to size. It's perfect.
And he's a Ballistics expert. So the gun does not work the way
the Seattle Police Department said it worked.
This gun needs to be shouldered to expel a shell.
So in the death photos or in the death report, we see that the
shotgun is lying up on its skinny side.
The ejection port is to Kurt's right, and there's a shell on
Kurt's left. Well, that's weird enough, but
there would be no shell because Kurt was lying supine.
There was nothing for the shotgun to press against to
eject the shell. There is absolutely no way that
if if Kurt was holding that gun when it went off, that that
shell would be there. But also on that the length
would have made it extremely difficult.
Very difficult, yes. We think he might have just been
able to reach it and he would have had to hold it up.
It's a 6 LB shotgun. And remember his muscles are now
atrophying because he's he's dying on heroin overdose.
And he would have had to hold the gun up about 6 inches above
because that's the direction we know the pellet path from the
autopsy. So he would have had to hold the
gun up about 6 inches for it to achieve that pellet path.
And then the gun was lying on him in a different direction.
Yeah. So the gun is lying skinny side
up because that's the way gravity works, right?
So it's lying skinny side up and it's the ejection port is to the
right, the shell is to the left. It shouldn't be there at all.
But even if it was, it should have been on the right, not to
the left. So I think the SPD said they
thought the gun flipped A180IN mid air and landed on the skinny
side and that's why the shell. So it was lying on him, facing
in a different direction. It's like it's.
Yeah, exactly. So.
So it's facing it's it's like I said, skinny side up.
It's upside down. Yeah.
Does that make sense? Yeah.
I mean, it doesn't make sense in the context of what we're
talking about because it's some some kind of Harry Potter magic.
And because the shell there falls on the wrong side, which
is why they would have to have done some mental gymnastics.
Oh, it's a physics. I mean it's a physics glitch.
There is no way that this gun, the 6 LB gun spun in mid air,
somehow ejected a shell that never would have ejected.
We have tested this gun now numerous times.
We, like I said, we have two of the exact same gun that Kurt had
and neither one of them will eject a shell without being
shouldered. And this is not a gun that is,
it's not a, you know, it's not a light gun.
It's a very long heavy shotgun that is not flipping around and
and doing gymnastics and, you know, shooting shells out as it
does it. But then why would they have
shot him if he was dead? It's a really good question.
So he didn't die in Rome. And, you know, I think, one, she
wanted to make sure he was dead. And two, Courtney loves to put
on a show. She is the drama queen.
She loves PR. She's made comments like, oh,
every rock star overdoses when they use a shotgun, you know,
they mean it. This was her way of showing the
world that Kurt Cobain was really fucking serious, that
Kurt Cobain wanted to end his life, that he was using a
shotgun. He wanted there to be no
mistakes. You know, he wanted, he wanted
this to be final. And the other thing is that she
loved taking away Kurt's identity.
She wanted people. So when Kurt was found, he was
very recognizable. There was no exit wound.
There's, you know, one of his eyes was damaged, but you could
tell it was Kurt. You know, there was, there was
not a lot of damage to Kurt's face.
But Kurt loved to tell people, oh, he blew his fucking head
off. Oh, his head was gone.
Oh, they had the idea by his fingerprints.
Yes, this is the problem, because this is where it gets
very murky because you're dealing with drug addicts with
guns who are reckless in that sort of true sort of punk rock
style. And it it, it makes it a hard
sell because people are going to go, well, they were just
druggies and it was an accident. But there's a suicide note.
That's intention. I mean, Kurt didn't write the
note and we we do the you know, modern forensics has has proven
that. I mean, even back in the day,
you know, they did an unsolved Mysteries, which was such a
great show, you know, with Robert Stack, they did an
unsolved mysteries. They did too on Kurt and two
exceptional forensic handwriting analysis.
Both said that Kurt did not write the last four lines of of
that note. And the, of course, the top of
the note reads just like a retirement letter from Nirvana
because we know he wanted to, to leave Nirvana and do his own
thing. And then the last four notes are
basically I love you, I love you.
Please go on without me, You know, basically goodbye cruel
world. Very, very classic.
You know what you would think of a suicide letter, but those
lines are, are not written in the same hand.
And we have a lot of proof that Kurt did not write those so.
Also it and it said his full name is, if I'm correct, Kurt
Cobain. Why?
Would. Why would you?
Why would you say Cobain? Would would you not, you know,
write your last name on a, on a letter to loved ones?
I mean, it's very bizarre. Yeah.
No, it's, it's there's no any thinking person I know.
We can't get into the brain of somebody.
You know, people think Kurt was really depressed.
Kurt was not depressed. These are all things that
Courtney said after Kurt was gone.
So she's. Part of that whole punk rock
image. Yes, yes, exactly right.
You know, Henry Rollins has got to be mad all the time.
And it's like, ah, Henry Rollins actually, like, really cool, you
know, And it's like this whole thing of like, yeah, Kurt Cobain
was really depressed and sad and whiny.
She said after he died that Rome was a suicide attempt.
After he died while Kurt was still alive, she couldn't get
away with it because he would say no, it wasn't a suicide
attempt. When the police found him.
Yes. Did they do no investigation?
They did absolutely nothing. So when they found him, they
found him in the morning. And you know, by the way, so
Gary Smith, the electrician, he sees Kurt through the window.
He thinks it's a mannequin. And then he sees a little pool
of blood from Kurt's ear. So then he's like, oh, shit,
right. So then he calls his boss
because he doesn't want know what to do.
His boss calls a radio station to get free tickets to a concert
instead of calling the police. So he does that.
I know, right? That's, that's a classy move.
The radio station calls the police and says, you know, Kurt,
there's a body at at the Lake Washington house, etcetera.
We believe it's Kurt Cobain. So the police get there and they
do absolutely no investigation. They see the suicide note and
they go, it was a suicide case closed by 10 in the morning.
They had confirmed it was a suicide before the toxicology
was done, before the medical examiner had even wrapped Kurt's
body up. I mean, it's you can't, the
police should not be calling it a suicide.
The medical examiner is the one who should be making that call.
And he did not make that call. Now, you know the medical
examiner used to sleep with Courtney, right?
So he was a punk rock promoter and he did shows and he became a
medical examiner. This is well documented.
And that was a conflict of interest.
He never should have done Kurt's autopsy, but he did and they
rubber snapped it so. What do you think in reality
happened then in that room? What do you think actually went
down? In at the autopsy or.
No, no, no. In the green room, yeah.
OK, so this is my opinion. I think that Dylan and two other
guys went up there. I think one of them was Dylan's
dealer. And I think they gave Kurt a hot
shot. And they, you know, Kurt was
already so high at the time, I don't think he was in any
position to fight them. So they gave him more dope.
He was dying. He was passing out.
And then they, I think one of them actually held the shotgun.
I don't know whether it was Dylan or whether it was one of
his friends and they shot him in the mouth and one of them, I
mean, it was shoulder that the shell ejected.
So I believe one of them was bending down with it over him
and then they positioned it, put his hand around it.
We know his hand, this hand was on the gun, put his hand around
the muzzle. We think they drug him into into
position. If you see photos of his hair,
it's clear that he's been dragged.
And we have a forensic scientist who has recreated the crime
scene and he's been doing that for months.
We have a a peer reviewed paper coming out in the next two
months that's going to prove that his death death was a
homicide. So they moved him all around the
greenhouse to to set it up. It's very bizarre.
Why were they paid? Oh, yeah.
Well, so Courtney and Kurt had signed a prenup and Courtney was
going to get nothing. She knew Kurt wanted a divorce,
so she ended up, you know, I mean, she, I'm sure she would
have still gotten something, but she ended up getting the
empathy. She wanted all Kurt's fans too,
right? This is a big thing.
She wanted to be the biggest rock star in the world.
She wanted to be punk rock Madonna.
So she ended up getting the empathy from Kurt's fans and she
got so much famous. Do you think Holt's album would
have done shit if Kurt hadn't died a week before that album
came out? Not a chance.
You know, it's just not, I mean, I'm not saying it's the worst
album in the world, but, you know, she's just not that
likable, you know, So I just don't think that she would have
had the success that she, you know, got and the $450 million,
you know, that she has gotten from the Cobain estate since
Kurt died. And we know that that, you know,
there is there's another few issues.
So that the lawyer, her entertainment lawyer was also
Kurt's lawyer. She, Kurt asked her to take
Courtney out of his will and told her that he wanted to
divorce Courtney. Now she's also Courtney's
lawyer. So the week that Kurt went
missing, Courtney is staying over at her lawyer's house.
Her lawyer's name was Rosemary Carroll.
And after Courtney left, she had forgotten her backpack there,
And Rosemary found a practice sheet of Kurt's handwriting in
Courtney's bag. The Why would you practice your
spouse's handwriting? I mean, you know, she's not
signing autographs as Kurt. So when we had our handwriting
forensics done, it shows that the last four lines of the
suicide match very well with the practice sheet that was found in
Rosemary Carroll in her house. That was in Courtney's bag.
So we we believe we can prove that, you know, that that was
written by Courtney. Michelle, excuse the pun, but
are there any other smoking guns?
Oh my goodness, I'm trying to think of what I haven't told you
yet. We talked about so that we
talked about the toxicology. So, you know, I'll just go over
that super quickly because for 31 years people have gone well,
we don't know if it was free morphine or total morphine.
And because the toxicology was released in 98, someone at the
at the Washington State lab just let it leak to the public.
I assume they let it leak because they knew that his
toxicology was too high to be a suicide or to be A to then have
had him use a shotgun. So finally we have been able to
get it analyzed and because of a metabolite of heroin called 6
ma'am, we know that he died very quickly after that shot.
And we also know that that 1.52 milligrams per liter was not
over 12 hours that metabolizes very quickly, usually within 30
minutes. So he was given that shot 30
within 30 minutes of dying where that six ma'am would not be
present in the toxicology. So we can now relate the
toxicology to the autopsy that shows that he was in multiple
stages of organ failure along with the toxicology.
And then now knowing that the gun doesn't work the way they
said it did, there's literally no way that he could have taken
his own life. It's literally impossible.
And our our forensic scientist, he's been doing this for 40
years and he's like every time we say alleged suicide, he's
like, Michelle, it's a homicide. Stop calling it an alleged
suicide. Like we've proven now that this
was a homicide, so. What do people in their circles
say, if they have said anything over the years?
So we have we have friends who are friends with Frances Bean
and we have been told that she believes her father was murdered
and believes that her mother did it.
But she's never said anything. No, and I mean she grew up, you
know, I mean, she did grow up a little bit with Wendy.
And I will tell you a little bit more about Kurt's mom, Wendy
too. But I think she just really
wants a quiet life. I think she, you know, she has
her son and she just doesn't. She's had such a tumultuous
growing up. I think that she just really
wants to, you know, get some peace.
I, we have not had any cease and desist.
We've had no issues with Francis at all.
We don't think that she is against what we're doing and by
any, you know, you know, by any stretch of the imagination.
So we also know that Kurt's sister Kim believes that he was
murdered. And the reason that she doesn't
come forward is again, she, you know, doesn't want to upset
Francis. So we know Kurt's mom, before
she passed, said that Kurt was murdered.
Kurt's uncle Gary, Kurt's grandpa, his grandma.
So people say, well, oh, if Kurt didn't commit suicide, how come
his family isn't fighting for him?
Well, I can't answer why they're not fighting, but I can tell you
that many people and Kurt's grandpa fought for Kurt for
years. He's the reason we have the
autopsy, because he got the autopsy from the Washington
State Lab I. Saw comment I saw comment from
Billy Corgan dismissing the idea that he was was killed.
Sure, because Billy Corgan is a is a forensic pathologist and
and you know, he has Billy Corgan was sleeping with
Courtney a month before Kurt was killed.
I don't know what Billy Corgan knows, but I assume that he has
a pretty good idea. I mean, Courtney has said it.
You know, she's she said it on Twitter.
She's talked about putting a bullet in Kurt's head.
She's joked about it on stage. I mean, I don't know about you,
but you know, my dad died, you know, a year ago.
And I'm not joking about, about killing him.
It's, it's just a bizarre thing to do.
But Courtney has done these things.
And I can't believe that any person who has thought about it
for more than 5 minutes would not be able to see, you see the
shotgun, you see the toxicology. You cannot think he took his own
life. Has there been any comment from
Chris and what's his name? Dave.
Yeah, Dave. No, nothing.
A few people have said, somebody reported today on our YouTube
that they went to see Chris playing with one of in a band
about 8 years ago and somebody yelled from the audience like
fuck Courtney. And he said yeah, fuck Courtney.
And then they started chanting it and he said something like,
we all know what she did. Total hearsay.
He has never, we've never heard him ever come out and and say
anything. I know that he said on Reddit,
if you have evidence that Kurt didn't take his own life, please
go to the Seattle police. But it's like, yeah, the same
people who fucked up the investigation.
I mean, and you have to look at too.
So you look at at the police that were there that day.
So we have Detective Don Cameron or Sergeant Don Cameron.
Yeah. He's an old school cop.
Like, he ends up losing his job because one of his subordinates
steals money from a drug crime scene.
Don finds out and makes that guy put it back and covers for him.
So he's like loyal, right? Like, it's the boys in blue.
They're a total boys club. He is covering for a fellow cop.
And that's why Cameron has to resign from his job because he
was going to be fired. But he didn't steal anything.
He wasn't, you know, he's just that loyal.
And you did not go against Don Cameron.
That was just not something people did.
So there was no intended cover up by the police or the FBI
anything. It was just, it was just useless
detective work. Yeah, they didn't care about
junkies, you know, they literally, I know.
But again, you know, you're looking at she's telling the
media, you're getting all these reports.
Kurt's missing. He escaped from Exodus.
He didn't escape. He walked out the front door.
You're getting all of this information in the news that
he's suicidal, he bought a shotgun and she's saying all
this stuff, you know, the week that he's gone missing.
And that's just what they're all thinking.
You know, when Kristen Pfaff in Whole, the bass player from
Whole who died a few months later under very suspicious
circumstances, they did no investigation there as well.
Now no one will ever be able to prove Kristen was murdered
because she simply OD. I mean, this is going to be
their downfall is that we are going to easily prove that Kurt
couldn't have used that shotgun. Now you know what they're going
to say, right? They're going to say, we found
Kurt, he had overdosed and we wanted to make it more dramatic
or cover up like some insane thing that makes no sense.
But that I guarantee you when we talk next year and they're on
trial for this, they are going to say that they just covered up
his accidental overdose. And I'm telling you that is not
true. Do you think that the
investigation will be reopened? Yeah, I do.
I think it's going to be reopened.
I mean, we have 3 witnesses, We have a gun, we have the
toxicology and we have the autopsy and it's all new people
at the SPD. And you know, I really think
that we have the best shot that anyone has ever had of getting
this case reopened. We have a lawyer who's just like
the best, really like and, and it's been so interesting because
he's old school, you know, Seattle and at the beginning
he's very cautious and he's like very skeptical.
And now, you know, he'll send me the odd joke about, you know,
Courtney or whatever. So like he now is like, I mean,
he, you know, it, it took us a few months and, and we're all on
the same page. And I think he's very, he's very
confident that we have enough evidence that we should
absolutely be able to get this reopened.
Now, what happened to the guys that were there, like Dylan?
He's touring, living off Kurt's money.
He, you know, he lived off of Kurt's money for a long time.
We know somebody who used to run a mailbox in, in Ballard in
Washington state, where Dylan used to allegedly pick up money
orders from Courtney every month for $5000.
So I mean, we have to understand people.
Well, why would Kurt's friend kill Kurt?
Because Kurt was leaving Nirvana.
He was probably going to quit heroin.
And he was possibly leaving Washington.
He was not going to be there to hang out with Dylan and give him
a bunch of drug money anymore. And the way Joe talks about
Dylan now, Joe, who is the witness, he's friends with
Dylan. He was friends with Dylan up
until two years ago. Dylan was putting him on his
guest list until Joe said Dylan did this to Kurt, you know?
Yeah. And it's, it's also not that
crazy to to think that druggies will commit these sorts of
crimes. I'm reminded of Sid Vicious.
I think that I think that he was killed by his mother and it was
all just a big drug fest. And, and and this sort of thing
does happen with with druggies. And you know what, when somebody
murders you, it's generally somebody you know, you know,
random murder, you know, serial being killed by a serial killer,
that type of stuff that never happens.
We know it's generally the spouse or someone in in the
family or someone close to the person who does it.
So now you said Sid, do you think that the drug dealer
killed Nancy or do you think Sid killed Nancy?
No, I think Sid. I think Sid killed Nancy and
then I think then I think Sid's mother killed Sid.
OK, interesting. But I it's been years since I've
first even spoken about that. But that's just my hypothesis.
Interesting. I think there was pretty good
evidence recently on something I was watching that a drug dealer
came in and Sid was passed out on the bed and they're actually
the one who may have killed Nancy.
So I'm going to have to look into it again.
But it was, yeah, it was pretty interesting.
But I don't. I mean, look, the whole thing
with the glass and all that. I mean, because this is a
different topic now, but the whole thing with the glass and
all that, the whole thing was a mess.
I mean, Sid was a mess. And funnily enough, I think
Richard Branson actually knows what happened there.
Oh, how does he know? Because he was involved with
with with music production at the time.
Oh, right, Virgin. Yes, OK, interesting.
Yeah. Virgin Records.
Yeah. And I think he went, I think he
went to visit Sid. But anyway, that's a different
discussion. Interesting.
Yeah, no, that's, yeah, that's, that's one I, I've been, you
know, interested in as well. And of course, John Lennon, we
had John Potash on and, and talked a lot about that and, and
how far up the, you know, up the chain that went.
And interestingly enough, John's solo work was also on Geffen.
Now, I don't believe there's any connection to Geffen and and
what happened to Kurt, to David Geffen, but very interesting
anyways, these, these sort of chains.
And there's a weird irony He died at age 27.
Yeah, yeah. And that was, again, Courtney.
She loved that. And she's also really into
astrology. And there is some kind of thing
where it's like you become an adult and there's a rebirth at
27. So I think that was something
that she thought was really interesting.
And of course, you know, I mean, she was super interested in
Nancy. She thought she was Nancy
Spungen and and, you know, so there.
I think she loves the drama of Kurt dying, him being in the 27
Club, you know, the drama that he blew his head off like these.
It couldn't have worked out more perfectly for her.
I think so, but you know. Moral of the story?
Don't fall for drugs. Yes, don't do drugs.
First of all. Don't do drugs.
Kid kids and use a condom. He never would have stayed with
Courtney if he hadn't. She hadn't gotten pregnant for
months into their relationship, but.
That's a lousy thing to say, don't you think?
That's a bit of a rough thing to say because Francis wouldn't be
here. You're right, OK, I am just
saying Francis is a beautiful human being.
So you're right. I don't think he regretted
having Francis. But there are many people who
stay in relationships that they shouldn't be in because they
want to do right for their child.
And I think that men should have as much control over someone
getting pregnant as a woman does.
You know, I think birth control for men is as important.
Michelle But now just another thing Kurtz physique.
He wasn't, he wasn't a very strong guy, was he?
I mean, no, he was pretty small. I think it was about 100.
And you know, 130 lbs, five foot eight.
He was a little guy, yeah. I mean, he could smash a guitar,
but yeah. No sure, but I'm thinking of
that time where where Johnny Depp was also beaten up by
what's her name? Oh, Amber Heard.
Yes, yes. So it's the point I'm making is
that it's not unheard of that these sorts of things can
happen. Yeah, and, you know, I mean,
it's, it's a very sad thing too, because I, I think Johnny was
the same, you know, you're not going to hit a girl back.
So. And Courtney's quite tall.
She's quite big. And she is, she punched him in
the stomach. You know, he had stomach issues.
She punched him in the stomach. She would grab him by the ear in
front of his friends and drag him away from people.
She was very physically abusive and of course, very mentally
abusive as well, you know, but she and she separated him from
all his friends, people who cared about him.
She, she really knew what she was doing, I believe.
And, you know, let's wind that back to Wendy for a second.
Kurt's mom. So when Kurt was killed, they
gave her the suicide note, alleged suicide note.
And they said, does this look like Kurt's writing now?
You're giving this to someone who is traumatized, grieving and
probably feeling a lot of guilt. So she looks at this and goes,
yes, it looks like Kurt's writing.
I mean, she's not, she's not a forensic expert.
I'm sure she barely looked at it.
She, I'm sure she didn't have the expertise or the, I mean, or
the wherewithal at that point to know whether or not her son
wrote that. Now, the other thing is that for
years, you know, she kind of towed the party line out.
Kurt was depressed, etcetera. And then before she died, she
started telling people that Courtney took Kurt's life and
that Kurt was murdered and Francis was married to a guy
named Isaiah Silva. And do you know this story?
This is all public records. So that because there's a civil
lawsuit that happened. So Francis marries Isaiah and
Isaiah is a huge Kurt Cobain fan.
And she gives him the, the what is the, the guitar from
unplugged? Sorry.
So she gives him the unplugged guitar as a wedding gift.
And this is, I mean, this means everything to Isaiah, right?
This is an incredible piece of, of musical history.
So when, when Francis and Isaiah get divorced, Courtney decides
she wants this guitar back. Francis doesn't really care, but
Courtney wants it. So Courtney hires people to go
and try to force Isaiah to give this guitar back.
So they beat him up. They try to, they take him in a
car, they say they're going to kill him and kill his daughter.
And they are doing things like they broke into his iMessage and
started texting his family and friends saying he was suicidal.
I don't know if that rings any bells to anybody, but they
basically did to Isaiah what Courtney did to Kurt, trying to
convince people that he was suicidal.
So Isaiah ended up escaping with his life.
But this is all public record. Anyone can read about it, read
about what Courtney did. It was the same guy who abused
Britney Spears. He's a, he's a very famous
abuser in Hollywood. And that was who she hired to go
shake down Isaiah. And the courts ruled that Isaiah
got to keep the guitar. And so they did get divorced.
And Isaiah, I believe, sold the guitar and now is kind of in
hiding because he, I mean, they went in and and roughed up his
mom, you know, like they did not treat these people very nicely
and and he was scared for his life and the life of his
daughter, so. Have have you faced a push back
with all this investigation? Yeah, but not by Courtney, not
by anybody. Not Francis, not I mean, we
wouldn't expect it from Francis, but not Courtney.
I don't know if you, if you have this issue, but in the true
crime community or in the Kirk community, everybody is buying
for I want to be the one who solves this.
Oh, I want my name attached to this.
And so instead of working together, a lot of people will
just kind of try to take somebody else down.
And I mean, the fact is that over the last year and a half,
we've, I believe we've put together enough evidence that
the case will now be reopened. And the people who have sort of,
I mean, we've had death threats, we've had people assaulting us,
just, it's been bananas, yeah. It's a very strange thing
though, because I can find very few people anywhere in the world
who have been looking into Kurds death.
There is one other Gentoo's name I won't mention and he wanted me
to pay him an exorbitant amount of money to come onto my show to
discuss this. Are you well, can I mention his
name or do you want me to not just sure.
Tom Grand. Yes.
Wow. OK, so that's a funny thing.
So let me just tell you a little story about that.
I used to be friends with Tom and I'd paid him some money and
helped him. I helped him redo his whole
website. I don't know if you've seen his
terrible website, but I redid it for him and put it on Wix, you
know, upgraded him to like the 20th century because we, you
know, he's not even in the 21st century.
But and then he decided not to use the website I made him.
That was fine. But when Joe came forward, I
before we released it online, I wanted to talk to Tom and say,
like, are we doing this right? Do you want to talk to this guy?
Like, what should we do? And Tom told me Joe is a liar.
I don't believe him. I know Dylan wasn't there when
Kurt died and basically told me to get lost.
And now he has spent the last two years or year and a half
calling me names and, and trying to stop our investigation and
stop what we're doing because a 77 year old man, I don't know
Jeremy. I think he, I don't know if it's
just his ego, but at some point he has stopped this case from
moving forward. You know the movie soaked in
bleach. Yes.
So I used to speak with Ben Statler, the guy who made it,
and he said that Tom stopped him from moving forward with certain
press. Like I believe it was like
Hollywood Reporter, Inside Edition.
They were going to do a big billboard on on in California.
Tom said absolutely not. I will walk off the picture if
you do this. Why?
He was going to interview Michael Kelly DeWitt, who was
there. Kelly wanted to talk to Ben and
Tom said if you talk to Kelly, I'm done.
I'm not working with you anymore.
So Ben told me there were at least six instances where Tom's
would not let him move forward. So he has tried to block this
case now. He's gatekeeping.
He's tried to block this case now for at least a decade.
I don't know if he was legit at first.
Allergies. I've got something in my eye and
I I've got dust in my eye or something.
Sorry about this. No, that's OK.
That I it it's I'm surprised it's not me because it's always
me, but. But yeah.
So I don't know what is wrong with Tom, but he has spent.
So then he goes, I can prove Dylan wasn't there.
OK, well, prove Dylan wasn't there.
We're all waiting. He can't prove Dylan wasn't
there. There's no way he can prove
Dylan wasn't there because we know Dylan was there.
Dylan has admitted to being there the night Kurt died, so we
know Dylan wasn't there. But Tom just instead of saying,
oh, you know, well, Joe's a Nazi.
You know, he calls him all these, these names.
So he just says, well, I don't believe Joe because, you know,
he's this or he's that. OK, but where's the proof you
said you had? So he.
Yeah, he's. It's it's such an interesting
topic this. So I mean, obviously this is,
you know, entertainment, pop culture, and I think many in my
audience will go, well, it doesn't really matter, does it?
But it kind of does because it's part of my youth.
And not just that it's not just a random band.
It was an incredibly important sort of subculture back in the
90s. But there's a deeper message
here also. It just shows how deadly,
literally deadly, drugs can be. Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it really does. And you know, there are a lot of
people who have taken their own lives because they think Kurt
did. And you know, even two years
ago, we had a kid who that he killed himself on.
I believe he died on the 8th of April.
And and it was because Kurt did. At what point are we going to
stop believing this ridiculous narrative that is just
absolutely hilarious? I mean, this is not something
that it's not over. People still believe he did this
and they're it's still affecting children.
And, you know, if you don't look into something and I can see why
lots of people don't, you know, it's like, I don't have the
time. People are living their lives.
They have children, they have things, you know, that they're
doing. This is, I mean, there are a lot
of crazy things happening in the world today that that take up
all of our bandwidth. But, you know, this is I think
this is still just really important.
And, you know, we've had, we've had a lot of people who have
have told us, you know, you've changed my mind.
You know, we have, we sell T-shirts and we sell them
because they, they promote people being aware of what, what
has happened. So they say justice for Kurt.
And then every time somebody wears one, they'll send us an
e-mail and say, I had 40 people stop me today.
And I told them all what happened to Kurt.
And they were like, oh, I didn't know that.
And I mean, I think people once they've kind of heard what
happened to Kurt or if you see the pictures, you're like, this
doesn't make any sense. So I think that people are not
going to fight this. You know, once we, we, once they
see the evidence, they, they know we've been bamboozled, you
know, for 31 years. Yes, and it also opens the door
to other deaths like John Lennon, which I think was a
central Intel operation. I agree.
And in fact, in fact, I mean he was a critical figure in the
sort of anti war movement. Yeah, so, so so the point here
is that it is worth not blindly accepting what you're told.
Absolutely, I agree. And you know, people don't
understand well, oh, why didn't the cops pick up on this?
Because also, you know, there's the the thing that people are
catching on now, but like. Men can be abused, you know, and
people don't understand, well, why don't you just leave?
And it's never that simple, the psychology of abuse, it just
doesn't work that way. And so I think that's another
thing that people, you know, people still think Kirk was
really cool. And he was really cool, and he
was kind and, you know, he was an epic songwriter.
He was just so good. And if somebody like that can be
affected by abuse in that way, no one else has to feel shame
that they didn't get out of a situation or that they're in
that same situation. So I think that's important too,
just bringing awareness to that. No matter who you are, no matter
how big you are, no matter how much money you have, you can
also be in a situation where you're facing abuse.
With the lights out, it's less dangerous.
Here we are, now entertain us. I feel stupid and contagious.
Here we are now entertain us. Yeah, absolutely.
And I will say one other thing. You know that somebody noted
when the police found Kurt, the lights were out in the
greenhouse. So who turned the lights out?
Did he turn them out before he took his own life at 3:00 in the
morning? How did he see to do the to give
himself the shot or, you know, finish writing the suicide note
or any of the other things they said he did?
You know, he supposedly put the caps back on the little needles
and, you know, did all of these insane things in between
shooting up and using the shotgun.
So he did all that in the dark as well.
So we. How can I follow your work?
Please follow us on YouTube. We're I'll give you the link.
It's just YouTube who killed Kurt official.
And then we have a website that's just who killed kurt.org
and that links to the website Copycat suicides.
There's a deep dive. So if anybody wants to read
about Isaiah Silva, other lawsuits Courtney's been
involved in, we've got that all there.
Michelle Wilkins, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
Thank you so much, love seeing you again.