1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,400 Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the 3rd of 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,040 December, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News. 3 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:15,320 I'm your host, Mike Robinson, joining me in the studio today, 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,160 Charles Mallett. Welcome to the program, Charles. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,680 Thank you, Mike. And Vanessa Bailey joins us by 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,360 live video link. Later in the program, Tim Norman 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,560 will be joining us to discuss the Don Sturgis inquiry report. 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,160 Charles will be reporting on the removal of jury trials in the UK 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,880 and also water pollution from data centres. 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,200 And Fidessa's going to be reporting on the wall being 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,800 built around Syria. And I'll have more on this 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,600 insane drive for war by NATO, the UK and the EU. 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,640 But we're going to begin today with the case of Natalie 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,920 Strecker. This is peace activist Natalie 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,160 Strecker, who was yesterday facing up to 10 years in prison 16 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:53,080 under the Terrorism Act. She was charged for eliciting 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,320 support for Hamas and Hezbollah based on it tweets. 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,480 Apparently this is, according to Craig Murray, cherry picked by 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,800 police and prosecutors from an astounding 21, sorry, 51,000 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,600 tweets that she'd sent, mainly from the Jersey Palestine 21 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,080 Solidarity Solidarity Committee account. 22 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,840 Now, at 1:00 PM yesterday, David Miller posted on X that Natalie 23 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,560 Stryker had been acquitted. And I'm very pleased to say that 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,960 David is with us now to discuss this. 25 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:23,000 So David, what are your thoughts on on the charges in the 1st 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,320 place and on what happened in court yesterday? 27 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,320 Well, the charges were manifestly ridiculous from the 28 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:33,760 word go. I mean, what had happened 29 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:39,440 originally was that she was accused of saying something in 30 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:45,880 private message groups, which was to do with supporting A 31 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,040 prescribed organization as well as the charges about the public 32 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,920 tweets. And it turned out, according to 33 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,760 evidence heard in court, that there was a bug in meeting a 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:03,840 problem in the police software for reading this, this message 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,840 app which they had got from her phone when they seized her phone 36 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,400 and that it had misidentified her as being the author of 37 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,360 particular messages. And eventually, and she said I 38 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,680 didn't send those messages and that, and I personally was aware 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,440 that she hadn't sent the messages as well. 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,920 And I was in touch with her about it at the time and with 41 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:24,840 her lawyers. And the police eventually 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,840 recognized that she hadn't sent the messages. 43 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,440 So they had to withdraw those, those charges. 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,280 And they were left with some charges about her, her, her 45 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,000 posts on X, which you know, were nothing to do with supporting 46 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,840 prescribed organisations, specifically Hamas and 47 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,120 Hezbollah, the so mention of course of Palestinian Islamic 48 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,240 Jihad or the PFLPGC, the two of the other Palestinian 49 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,520 organisations which were prescribed. 50 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:59,120 And so it was left to the judge, or possibly more than one judge, 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,840 to decide whether she was guilty or not. 52 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,720 The judge has decided that she wasn't guilty because she was 53 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,720 clearly talking about supporting the Palestinians. 54 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,360 There was an attempt in court to try and suggest that supporting 55 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:17,000 the Palestinians to resist the genocide was tantamount to say 56 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,040 that she supported Hamas, which of course is transparently 57 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,920 ridiculous and as everyone knows, it's written into 58 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:26,080 international law. But the Palestinians 59 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,360 specifically, and indeed all people under occupation have the 60 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,360 right to resist by all available means, including specifically 61 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,200 using these words, armed struggle. 62 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,040 But she she hadn't even gone anywhere near that. 63 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,600 And she's not even she's a she's a pacifist. 64 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,520 You know, she's not even someone who who would support in the 65 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,680 abstract, the international right under international law. 66 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,680 So the whole thing was a was a farrago, an attempt to 67 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,440 criminalize people by illegitimate means through 68 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,520 existing laws, which are already Orwellian. 69 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:01,200 And it's in the term which has failed. 70 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,320 And I'm very glad to see that it has failed. 71 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,240 And I anticipate that there will be many more of these cases 72 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,360 coming up and and failing in the near future, including probably, 73 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,120 I would think, Sarah Wilkinson's case. 74 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,820 And also, of course, there was a case of Richard Barnard, Co 75 00:04:19,820 --> 00:04:23,440 founder of Palestine Action before it was prescribed, who 76 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:28,840 had talked about making lacks a flood into a tsunami. 77 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:31,240 And the the courts are trying to suggest that that there's a 78 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,640 specific support for Hamas, which again, is is ridiculous. 79 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,400 So I'm looking forward to this, these cases 1 by 1 being knocked 80 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,520 out of court as we've seen with a number of cases involving anti 81 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,040 Zionists in the last few weeks to months. 82 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,960 So does this set any kind of precedent do you think is are 83 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,600 the, are the British, are the English courts going to take 84 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,480 this as a, as a stare? And, but I mean, the other point 85 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,120 to make here is that this is a complete waste of taxpayers 86 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,960 money in many ways. And but, but it's clearly 87 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,280 designed to be intimidatory and and have a chilling effect on on 88 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:10,200 speech. Yeah. 89 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,720 I mean, it's not going to be formally A precedent, but I 90 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:18,280 mean, the, the, the CPS in England and Wales will, you 91 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:21,000 know, will begin to realize that they can't get these kind of 92 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,680 cases to, to closure in the current circumstances, even when 93 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,200 they've got judges, only when there's no jury involved. 94 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,840 Then these cases are going to get thrown out and they're going 95 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:35,440 to, they're going to have to recognize that they're not going 96 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,640 to get these cases to the finishing line and they will 97 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,360 have to abandon them, many of them. 98 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,200 So I think that's it will in in fact act as a precedent because 99 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,720 they will realise that there's no way to get these cases. 100 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,280 And the, the legislation is, is very specifically written. 101 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,440 And if you, if you look back at the legislation, it's on the 102 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,680 government's website and you can see very helpfully that they, 103 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,000 they include all the separate revisions to the legislation 104 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,320 which they have made over the years to the Terrorism Act. 105 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,440 And those revisions have been made to try and entrap people 106 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,720 who are clearly not supporting organisations who exist in a 107 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,880 different country in West Asia, but who are talking about the 108 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,240 right to resist or talking about the need to resist oppression. 109 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,160 And the government have tried to to alter the law so that those 110 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,880 kinds of statements can be caught. 111 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,440 As if they are saying, oh, I think we should go out now and 112 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,200 get weapons and fight for Hamas, which of course nobody has been 113 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,200 saying. It's completely ridiculous. 114 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,560 So the the the legislation is already overweening and 115 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,600 Orwellian, but it can't be bashed into to bashed out of 116 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,720 such shape that they can convict people for for opposing genocide 117 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,400 and. Do you think this will have any 118 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,960 implications for the Supreme Court case on the prescription 119 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,640 of Palestine action? Well, it's hard to know. 120 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:05,240 I mean, the, the extent to which the judges in that case, and 121 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,320 let's remember, these are three judges who have been drafted in 122 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,840 the last minute to replace a seemingly more liberal judge. 123 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,920 So all three of them apparently have significant conflicts of 124 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,560 interest. One of them has even said that 125 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,080 his favorite clients are security and intelligence 126 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,880 agencies, which is a some fairly something to have on your CV, 127 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,000 that kind of quote. So I think that the extent to 128 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,880 which they will be paying attention to the, the public 129 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:34,080 mood is, is largely minimal. But the, the, the people at the, 130 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,720 at the centre of what was, I mean the politicians, Starmer, 131 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,520 the home Secretary and indeed, of course the intelligence 132 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,840 agencies, they will be looking at this closely and they will, 133 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,080 there will be a point where they will realize that they can't 134 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,120 pursue this line of attack anymore. 135 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,240 Yeah, so obviously Natalie Streicher has found herself on 136 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,560 the on the wrong end of this. She's seen a court case in 137 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,640 Jersey. Many others have been on the 138 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,400 wrong end of this type of legislation. 139 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,680 Just very briefly, David, where does this leave the kind of 140 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,760 intimidation that we've seen from the state for the future? 141 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,360 Well, I think someone like Natalie and also someone like 142 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,920 Sarah Wilkinson who faces their case in a few months time, they, 143 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:26,000 they have been really very, very badly treated by the state. 144 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,160 And if it if it was possible for them to have some kind of legal 145 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,400 redress, then that they should try and pursue that if they can 146 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,159 face it. But the, the fact that Natalie 147 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,600 has got off is an indication that that we can be much freer 148 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,120 than perhaps many of us have felt in saying what we think 149 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,840 about the genocide. You know, it's not, you can't 150 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,480 say under the law, I support Hamas, but you can say, look, 151 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,280 the the people of Palestine have the right to resist under 152 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,200 international law. It's perfectly legitimate and 153 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,200 legal to say that. And that I think people will, 154 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:02,800 can, will begin to get some confidence in, in the kinds of 155 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,600 things they can say as a result of these decisions. 156 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,160 David, thank you very much for joining us today. 157 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:14,960 That's been really helpful and we will keep covering this this 158 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,560 topic in the coming days and weeks because this actually 159 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:20,760 effects everybody no matter what their views on various 160 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,360 situations. So thank you for joining us, 161 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,200 David. But David Charles mentioned 162 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,800 juries there. Do we have them anymore? 163 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,240 Well, yeah, this is it. The devil will be found in the 164 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,880 detail. We're going to go back a bit and 165 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,280 actually address exactly what David's finished up with, which 166 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,280 is this idea of having any confidence in the justice 167 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,920 system. Now in 2020, David Lammy, then 168 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,440 an opposition MP, tweeted that jury trials are a fundamental 169 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,520 part of our democratic settlement, and he reinforced 170 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,400 the point by saying criminal trials without juries are a bad 171 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,920 idea. And yesterday, the government 172 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,840 put out a press release saying that the Deputy Prime Minister 173 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,480 of the office that David Lammy now holds, as well as being 174 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,760 Secretary of State for Justice, announce the reforms in 175 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,760 Parliament today. And this is to deal with the 176 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,160 headline of the press release, which is swift and fair plan to 177 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,640 get justice for victims. They say that the reforms were 178 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,560 announced in Parliament, bringing the system back from 179 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:23,920 the brink of total collapse and regaining the trust of both 180 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,040 victims and the public. Now they set out several methods 181 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,560 by which they're expecting to achieve this, or at least 182 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:32,560 telling us that this is how they're going to achieve it. 183 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:36,560 One method which indeed has been touched upon and mentioned 184 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:40,120 before is this idea of swift courts, which will see cases 185 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,000 with a likely sentence of three years or less heard by a judge 186 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,400 alone estimated to take 20% less time than a jury trial. 187 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,000 That was one of the sort of sub headlines. 188 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,440 It then went on to say guaranteed jury trials for the 189 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,280 most serious and almost all indictable offences, including 190 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,960 rape, murder, aggravated burglary, blackmail, people 191 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,840 trafficking, grievous bodily harm and the most serious drug 192 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,960 offences. So in effect, selling the 193 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:10,320 negative as positive in that they're guaranteeing juries for 194 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:13,840 those offences pertaining to those trials. 195 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,440 They then go on to say they're going to give magistrates the 196 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:21,560 power to hand down sentences of up to 18 months so more cases 197 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:25,440 can be heard by magistrates, freeing up the Crown Court time 198 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,280 for the most serious offences. And this could go up to two 199 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,680 years if needed. It's worth noting I think on 200 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:33,480 that point immediately that there has been quite a bit of 201 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,680 flip flopping on exactly what magistrates should or should not 202 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:39,040 be able to do. And I think a further reminder 203 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,840 that of course, in order to hold that role, do not need to have 204 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,960 any background in law and they only receive 10 days of training 205 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,840 across two years in order to be able to prosecute that job and 206 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,080 therefore have the potential now to hand out sentences of up to 207 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,800 two years. Now all of this comes from the 208 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:04,320 relatively recently published Leveson Independent Review of 209 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,760 the Criminal Courts, which we've reported on quite a bit on UK 210 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,640 Colin Brian indeed doing so on Monday. 211 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,280 Now a key part of this document which really does relate to what 212 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,880 Lammy was talking about in the House of Commons yesterday is in 213 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,800 the text of this document which is where Leveson himself 214 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,600 reflects and says I consider that long term reforms to the 215 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,840 setup of the criminal courts which on the whole would require 216 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,160 primary legislation to implement. 217 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,880 So to Mikes question at the start of this report, are we or 218 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,480 aren't we having juries done away with now? 219 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,800 It's very much being presented as a fait accompli. 220 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,840 But as Leveson suggests, there is a need for legislation. 221 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,120 And indeed, when David Lammy addressed the House of Commons 222 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,560 yesterday, he concluded his opening speech with with this 223 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:58,480 statement, which was finally, we must also be honest that this is 224 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,960 a problem that has taken years to build up. 225 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,000 So it will take years to fix. The changes I'm proposing will 226 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,440 require legislation which will take time to implement. 227 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,400 So at the same time as saying that he's going to be saving all 228 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,440 this time by doing away with juries and this, that and the 229 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,120 other, he's also putting in an enormous caveat should he fail 230 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,200 or indeed the government fail. Now he and they the government 231 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,360 ran into inconsistencies almost immediately. 232 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,320 I just thought I'd bring out a short clip from Lincoln Chop MP 233 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,080 who previously served with Scots Guards and highlighting where 234 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,800 one of the in the areas where this is going to run into some 235 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,160 sort of trouble. Can I thank the Minister for 236 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,920 coming here today to answer this urgent question? 237 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,760 I've taken note of what she said and if I may quote it back to 238 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,040 her. Swift, a swift and prompt trial 239 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,400 is a fundamental principle of fairness. 3 to 4 years delay is 240 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:58,160 deeply demoralizing and justice delayed is justice denied. 241 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:02,400 So can I ask how she squares that position with her support 242 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,960 of the Northern Ireland Troubles Bill? 243 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,400 Well, he's right to quote those things back at me. 244 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,000 Those are the headlines of the arguments that I'm making this 245 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:22,280 morning in relation to this UQ, in relation to the backlogs in 246 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,280 our England and Wales criminal courts, in relation to my 247 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,080 support for that Bill. It is a fair piece of 248 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,960 legislation and one which I stand by. 249 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,920 So job there just exposing some of the things that don't make 250 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,640 sense. Now on the same list of things 251 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,720 that don't quite make sense and indeed, considering the question 252 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,360 of why is the system so broken. We're just going to look at the 253 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,640 statistics for police recorded crime, which do admittedly show 254 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,960 an increase across the last few years with a graph that sort of 255 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,320 dips in the mid twenty 10's and has gone up recently. 256 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,520 This is not reinforced by the arrest data. 257 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,640 Now arrests in England and Wales, compared with the numbers 258 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,440 from 2006, seven or eight have gone down quite considerably. 259 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,200 So why is it therefore that there's a need for greater 260 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:19,280 clogging in the system? And why, I think it's pertinent 261 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,160 to ask, is the government, via the Ministry of Justice putting 262 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,720 out messages as it was in December last year about 263 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,120 thousands of new prison places? This was a press release that 264 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,080 came out in December 2024 where they said that 14,000 new prison 265 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,880 places with the target to open by 2031 are going to be put in 266 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,680 place in order to keep the public safe. 267 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,840 And this seems to be, as with everything else, at the basis of 268 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,360 anything that has the potential to be extremely unpopular and 269 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,040 questionable. Now, the other thing I really do 270 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,160 want to take a look at is the report by the Institute for 271 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,520 Government Performance Tracker 2025 on the criminal courts. 272 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:01,080 And in effect, they've torn what Leveson has written to shreds to 273 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,680 a certain extent. And I quote, at the heart of 274 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,280 this problem is poor productivity. 275 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,800 Magistrates Court and the Crown Court are processing fewer cases 276 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,440 per day than before the pandemic, even though average 277 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,360 case complexity has fallen since 2016. 278 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,120 This means that this means that both types of courts are failing 279 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,480 to keep up with demand. They then go on to say that if 280 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,840 these problems can be adequately addressed, many of the proposals 281 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,000 for radical reform, such as Sir Brian Leveson, suggested 282 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,120 restrictions on jury trials would not be necessary. 283 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,280 And I think that's a key part to come out of this report. 284 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,040 They also go on to say that cases where the defendant pleads 285 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,040 not guilty and there is a jury trial by far the most time 286 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,920 consuming. Well, of course they are. 287 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,400 And of course, the inference in suggesting that juries would be 288 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,200 done away with is that there might be more guilty verdicts 289 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,280 where there shouldn't be. Now the other thing they say for 290 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,280 context is the Crown Court jury trials put much more demand on 291 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,920 the system than any other kind, but in 2024 they made-up only 292 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,920 13% of all cases and 65% of hearing hours. 293 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,079 But the interesting thing is that the number of trials in 294 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:10,000 2024 surpassed pre pandemic levels but remained more than 295 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,560 1/4 below 2016, despite the fact that sitting days were slightly 296 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,359 higher in 2024. So the question really is why is 297 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,240 productivity quite so low? And indeed, Leveson appears to 298 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,760 have ignored the fact that courts are not spending an 299 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:29,520 unprecedented amount of time on jury trials and that total time 300 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:34,760 on guilty pleas in Crown courts fell from, sorry, fell by 22% 301 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,800 from 2016 to 2024. So there's absolutely something 302 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,040 not adding up here. But we might be seeing the law 303 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,080 of perhaps intended consequences, which is a graph 304 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,680 that shows how during 2020 when everything got shut down, it 305 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,840 looks very much like it's basically been the creation of 306 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,720 an artificial backlog. Now obviously the cry is that 307 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,160 there wasn't enough investment. So I just want to point out on 308 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,360 the House of Commons Library statistics, we've had £13 309 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:05,720 billion spent on justice in the UK, which of course equates 310 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:10,160 exactly to the amount that we've spent on death in Ukraine. 311 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,160 The latest statistic coming out in 7th of November for on the UK 312 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,400 to support the Ukraine fact sheet, very much looking like a 313 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,920 planned destruction of the system which Peter Hitchens is 314 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,480 pointing out the Daily Mail and he harks back to the 1960s where 315 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:30,200 it was only a requirement for 73,000 police versus 148,000. 316 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,960 Now the prison population was down at 27,000. 317 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,680 It's now up at over 87,000, of course with 14 more in the 318 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,720 pipeline. And he's going back to the 319 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,080 changes that were implemented by the then Home Secretary, Roy 320 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,400 Jenkins, starting with the removal of a requirement for the 321 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,280 jury verdict to be unanimous. Now, something that is talked 322 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,280 about quite a bit around this subject is the issue of 323 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,240 nullification. And I've just got a very short 324 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,240 clip from Daniel Shensmith. You might know him as the black 325 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,360 belt barrister. Just explaining a bit about 326 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:05,480 this. Nonetheless, if you are in a 327 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,400 trial as a barrister, you cannot mention jury nullification 328 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,640 because it would be contempt of court to do so, because it would 329 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,120 tempt the jury into making a decision that goes against the 330 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:21,760 law and the findings of evidence, which is against their 331 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,960 oath that they take as a member of the jury. 332 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,680 So. It's not an uncomplicated area 333 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,520 and the the link to the full videos in the show notes. 334 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,120 I really would recommend that you do watch it. 335 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:37,880 But the government document explaining to jurors what they 336 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,040 should do states quite clearly that among their legal 337 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,600 responsibilities they are to swear an oath or an affirmation 338 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,240 and to deal with the situation based only on the evidence you 339 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,920 hear in court. But the difficulty is, of 340 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,440 course, as far as contempt or indeed nullification goes, is 341 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:03,560 that a jury's decision is final. But of course, the Ministry of 342 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,520 Justice are trying to scare jurors into. 343 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,960 Threatening them effectively with prison for contempt of 344 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,680 court for considering nullifying a guilty verdict. 345 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,600 So I'll just finish off by pointing to the UK column 346 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,360 Dissidents Guide to the Constitution, in particular 347 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:23,000 Episode 2, which deals with exactly this, and I hope we'll 348 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,080 be talking about it more in Extra. 349 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,840 Absolutely. OK, let's let's move on then to 350 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,200 war and international affairs, because today is the NATO 351 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,320 Foreign Ministers meeting. As the war preparations ramp up, 352 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,080 it should be stated straight away that we're increasingly in 353 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,360 an increasingly insane and dangerous situation. 354 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,600 And just to illustrate that, here's some comments from NATO 355 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,880 Secretary General Mark. Ruta, we face real and lasting 356 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,000 dangers. Russia continues to test our 357 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,840 detours. Russia has violated our airspace 358 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:06,240 with jets and drones. So that's this morning. 359 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,800 Russia has violated our airspace with jets and drones. 360 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,840 And to reinforce this, EU countries continue to be 361 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,960 bombarded with lying media propaganda that Russia is flying 362 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,040 drones into European airspace. Here are just three examples in 363 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,320 the last few days. Now the problem for the 364 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,920 mainstream media is the Dutch newspaper Trial has reviewed 365 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:33,200 dozens of incidents using the platform Drone Watch and they 366 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,760 found that they could not verify even one of the incidents, which 367 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,280 is allegedly Russian made. Drones had been sent into 368 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,720 European airspace. The report claimed that no radar 369 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,520 record or debris was found that could validate Russian 370 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,440 authorship. And even in the case of Poland, 371 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,800 where allegedly Russian made drones were found, there was no 372 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,000 evidence that they were fired by Russians or from Russia. 373 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,400 And they say that at least 14 of the Dutch drone sightings were 374 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,000 later attributed to ordinary aircraft, helicopter ships or 375 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,400 even stars. It's like UFOs in many ways. 376 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,880 But anyway, the the map that we saw on screen there a second 377 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,960 ago, which was compiled by trial, showed three hobby or 378 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,760 tourist drones and 11 other objects that were ultimately 379 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,720 decided to be not drones at all. And in the Netherlands, the 380 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,320 Defence Department stressed recent reports near Vocal and 381 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,840 Eindhoven are no cause for alarm. 382 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,800 So according to the military police, they report hobby drones 383 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,160 were spotted and although the originals are it was unclear 384 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,480 there was no evidence of a state level threat. 385 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,880 So let's hear, we'll move on then. 386 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,960 And let's hear more from from Mark Ruto. 387 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,600 Conducted sabotage and spends send spy ships into our waters. 388 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,920 These actions are reckless and they are dangerous. 389 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,280 And it's not Russia alone. It is working closely with 390 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,000 China, North Korea and Iran to attempt to disrupt our societies 391 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:05,600 and tear up the global rules. They are preparing for long term 392 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,040 confrontation. Are they there preparing for 393 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,600 long term confrontation? Wasn't it just one week ago that 394 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:19,720 I reported on the RUSI Long War Conference and Luke Pollard's 395 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,440 comments there? That was just the last last 396 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,120 Wednesday's USE program. If you didn't see that, go back 397 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:29,480 and watch it. And then more from Ruta. 398 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,120 Let's listen to this. And we are responding with 399 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:38,400 strength, unity and resolve. European allies and Canada are 400 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,200 really stepping up defence investments and that's good. 401 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,000 But we cannot afford to rest on our laurels. 402 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,880 We all need to pull our weight and fast. 403 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,720 We need to develop and buy core capabilities for our defence and 404 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,920 invest in industry, in infrastructure and innovation. 405 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,360 Which just by coincidence, echoes the Starmer regime's push 406 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,600 to turn Britain into a war economy, which we were talking 407 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,960 about last week. Let's put look Pollard back on 408 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,000 screen again if we can. And because this is what he was 409 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,960 saying at the Long War Conference conference, to get to 410 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,520 war fighting readiness, we need a whole of society approach. 411 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,280 We've got to turn it into a war economy. 412 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,960 This is quite an incredible situation. 413 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,800 So let's get the last clip from from Ruta. 414 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,720 To stimulate production and boost resilience, we also need 415 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,800 to support Ukraine more. Russian missiles keep causing 416 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,000 death and destruction, and winter is here. 417 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,880 I absolutely believe that he was citing Game of Thrones there 418 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,280 Winter is coming. The the the war arrived. 419 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,480 The real war arrived when when winter was here. 420 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,000 I, I absolutely believe that's the kind of nonsense is going 421 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,440 through these people's heads at the moment. 422 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,760 But this just to reinforce this idea. 423 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,320 We reported last week on comments by French General 424 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,640 Fabian Mandel, who was determined to sacrifice French 425 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,480 children. Well, it's gone on because this 426 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,560 week chair of Natos Military Committee, Admiral Cabo Dragoni 427 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,680 gave an interview with the Financial Times and he said how 428 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,280 deterrence is achieved through retaliation, through preemptive 429 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,240 strike. This is something we have to 430 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,560 analyze deeply. He was absolutely calling for 431 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,840 preemptive preemptive strikes. Now that quote caused quite a 432 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,080 fraud, but it was echoed by others. 433 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,480 For example, here's General Fabio Many former military, 434 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,920 sorry former NATO chief of the General Staff, who wrote in an 435 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,680 article published on the 2nd of December in El Fato in Italy 436 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,360 that NATO is already in a war against Russia and will launch a 437 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,000 pre emptive attack. And also by current NATO Supreme 438 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,840 Commander General Christopher Cavalli. 439 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,400 NATO is preparing for an attack that should be so devastating as 440 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,440 to not allow Russia to react. In fact, if we do not succeed, a 441 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,760 15 year war of attrition awaits us. 442 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,880 And so he's echoing again the long war narrative. 443 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,360 But to return to the question of whether or not children should 444 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:11,920 be sacrificed, you'll be glad to know that children are saying 445 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,960 no. And back in May, Germany's 446 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,920 Institute for Generation Research found that 81% of the 447 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,680 country's Generation Z, Generation Z, were not prepared 448 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,080 to sacrifice himself and also found that 69% said they were 449 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,160 not willing to defend their country with a weapon. 450 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,840 Now the German government's plan is to increase the size of the 451 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,760 army by 260,000 volunteers. And if there aren't enough 452 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,240 volunteers, compulsory service could be instituted. 453 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,120 And so on the 5th of December, which is on Friday this week, 454 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,520 the, the parliament, the German parliament's going to decide on 455 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,320 their proposal on this and they're going to be 456 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,000 demonstrations by students in many German cities. 457 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,360 We don't want to end up as common cannon fodder is the 458 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,120 clear message. And, and so on. 459 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,440 So that that is the situation that we're in at the moment. 460 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,280 The narrative coming out of the mouth of these people becomes 461 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:08,320 increasingly it demonstrates increasing insanity in my 462 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,400 opinion. It absolutely does and it and it 463 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,240 completely ties in with the, you know, the propaganda campaign 464 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,800 about drones. Why on earth, given the 465 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,600 circumstances, would Russia be picking a fight with with NATO? 466 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,600 It makes no sense and it's very much obviously going the other 467 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,120 way around. Absolutely no. 468 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,560 Let's welcome finesse into the program and, and if we move over 469 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,800 to the Middle East and, and what's going on, sorry, 470 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,400 Southwest Asia and what's going on in Syria with a wall. 471 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,640 I thought walls were being built in the United States. 472 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,920 I didn't know walls were being built in in Asia. 473 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,520 Yeah, very interesting. Something that I was looking 474 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,520 into in depth over the last few days, but particularly 475 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,520 yesterday. So if we start, we'll we'll 476 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,200 basically go around the border of Syria. 477 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,640 So this is the border with Iraq. At the end there is a map so 478 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,560 that people can get an idea of what I'm actually talking about. 479 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,240 So this is November this year, Iraq completes 350 kilometres of 480 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,080 concrete border wall with Syria. Other reports have said they've 481 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,560 reached up to 400 kilometres. So what does this actually mean? 482 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,640 That Baghdad is seeking to seal the entire 618 kilometre border 483 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,160 with a multi layered security system, 3 metre wide trench, 3 484 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,920 metre deep four layer inflatable barrier observation towers, 485 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,440 everyone kilometre equipped with advanced thermal cameras linked 486 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,960 to a central monitoring system and no gases as to who is at 487 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,840 that central monitoring system, Integrated defence network 488 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,320 made-up of trenches, barbed wire and early warning systems, high 489 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,680 precision thermal imaging and 24/7 surveillance devices. 490 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,480 Of course. What is this sounding very 491 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:57,480 similar to Gaza And of course the draconian 15 minute cities 492 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,680 like Cabron in the occupied territories. 493 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,880 So this is a map from 2013. I'm just showing this to show 494 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,920 how it was already beginning to take shape even back in 2013, 495 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,120 two years into the regime change war against Syria. 496 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,320 The areas in black show reinforced border areas, so you 497 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,640 can see with Turkey in particular between Israel and 498 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,720 the occupied Golan territories in the South and the border wall 499 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,800 with Jordan leading up to the triangle between the border with 500 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,080 Iraq and Jordan. So then going on to Jordan 501 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,320 itself. Well, guess what? 502 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,840 Beginning actually back in 2008, but escalating under the Obama 503 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,880 administration. And Mike, you and I were talking 504 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,480 yesterday that the policy to basically destroy and 505 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,280 destabilise Syria did not begin with any particular president, 506 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,320 but it was a bipartisan policy that was continued throughout 507 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,200 various presidencies. So in 2016, he spent half a 508 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,440 billion on sophisticated electronic fencing on the 509 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,720 northern and eastern borders to protect the US bases. 510 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,640 The project began in 2008, erected surveillance towers 511 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,720 along 50 kilometre stretch of border, fully integrated and 512 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,600 networked fence, 442 kilometre border with Syria and Iraq. 513 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,720 As I mentioned that triangle camera studied network of ground 514 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,520 sensors with a file mile, five mile radius, either side of the 515 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,920 fence and of course centralised joint US Jordan Command centre 516 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,120 receiving all of the information from those surveillance blocks 517 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,920 on the fence itself. Then we look at under the Biden 518 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,720 administration again, demonstrating how this isn't 519 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,800 something that is relative to one particular party in the US 520 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,600 or one particular president. So this was in 2024, the 521 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,680 Department of Defence Appropriations Act. 522 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,520 And now I'm just showing this part to show that 397,000,000 523 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:03,360 was put to one side for the counter ISIS of Iraq and Syrian 524 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,800 Syria train and equip fund. Now the slightly interesting 525 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,960 part of this is that part of that fund is going to foreign 526 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,560 forces, irregular forces or groups and individuals without 527 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,120 of course actually naming them or identifying them. 528 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:26,520 And that that sum then is also a a portion to border security. 529 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,160 And if we can just move on to the next part of the ACT itself. 530 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:36,160 So the Middle East partner reimbursements section 811-0300 531 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,240 and 80 million to reimburse Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia 532 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,480 and Oman basically for enhanced border security. 533 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,200 So this again began under Obama but was continued under Biden 534 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,960 and will continue under Trump until September 2025. 535 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,200 Again, I just want to show that Turkey had been building 536 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,640 reinforced border areas that you can see in red there. 537 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,920 I myself in 2018, this is a 2016 map, but in 2018 I actually went 538 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,600 to the north eastern border with Turkey and saw the building of 539 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:18,000 the annexation wall. And again, let's have a look at 540 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,240 what this actually represents. So this is the Turkey border 541 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,680 security to be boosted by concrete walls. 542 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:30,480 Now interesting statistics from 2025. 543 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,200 It's an 825 kilometre wall which is almost finished. 544 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,040 It's the third longest in the wall after the Great Wall of 545 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,280 China and the US. Mexico borders 120 border towers 546 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,640 with irregular patrols on either side of the border. 547 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,880 Seven ton concrete blocks, 3 meters high, 2 meters wide. 548 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,360 Surveillance includes thermal cameras, seismic and acoustic 549 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,720 sensors. EU funded Cobra armoured 550 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,920 vehicles are patrolling the wall the entire length. 551 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:07,520 Drone detection jammers. Now, this is an extraordinary 552 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,320 construction that is really effectively gone under the radar 553 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,520 in Western media and then in Lebanon. 554 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,440 Not only is Israel building, these are just two posts from X 555 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,280 talking about various areas in the South of Lebanon where 556 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,680 Israel has of course invaded Lebanese territory since the 557 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,400 ceasefire in November 2024 and is building a separation wall 558 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,760 inside Lebanese territory to effectively create it's 559 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,520 so-called buffer zone in the South, of course, totally 560 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,480 unlawful annexation of territory and Turkey has done the same in 561 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,080 northern Syria. But here comes the UK. 562 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,840 So, Mike, you will remember that last year we were talking about 563 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,920 UK reinforcement of Lebanese armed forces, but also the 564 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,400 establishment of watchtowers along the border with Syria, 565 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,480 which are of course not to protect the Lebanese, but to 566 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,520 effectively one the the, the pretext for for these borders is 567 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,040 to prevent the smuggling of weapons of mass destruction. 568 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,440 So we bring in the pretext for the war against Iraq, of course. 569 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,760 But UK military veterans were involved in the training of the 570 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,880 Lebanese Armed Forces, while armoured boxes used in the new 571 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,159 30 foot constructions were taken from towers being decommissioned 572 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,600 in Northern Ireland as part of the £62 million projects. 573 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,520 So basically Britain has also established watchtowers. 574 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,520 It's now suggesting that it can do the same on the southern 575 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,000 border between Lebanon and Israel. 576 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000 And of course, clearly this is not for the benefit of these 577 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,719 countries, it's for the benefit of the security of Israel and 578 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,199 its allies that are stationed particularly in Lebanon. 115 579 00:34:56,199 --> 00:35:01,040 million of taxpayers money, UK taxpayers money has been spent 580 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,240 on effectively reinforcing border security in Lebanon. 581 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:07,200 We can talk about that more in extra. 582 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:11,640 So now I just want to bring up a map that I drew up yesterday 583 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,280 which shows very clearly here exactly how Syria is effectively 584 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,360 being completely encircled by these border walls with massive 585 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,320 surveillance capabilities. So effectively, it's becoming a 586 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,320 tech theory cauldron. The various armed forces like 587 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,600 ISIS, al Qaeda and all the various affiliates are going to 588 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,440 be cattled inside Syria, of course, committing heinous 589 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:42,040 massacres against Syrian people. The only open area, Sorry, can I 590 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,760 just have the map back on for a second? 591 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,600 The only open area will be to the coast. 592 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,920 And then of course, they're facing Cyprus, which is 593 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,720 gradually being taken over by Israel and Israeli influence. 594 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,520 But also, if you look at Lebanon, it's about the 595 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,880 corralling of the Lebanese resistance in the South of 596 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,160 Lebanon there, because the border wall will effectively 597 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,720 close the resistance in Lebanon off from Syria. 598 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:11,960 But also if you look at the orange arrow there, the reason 599 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,880 I've put that there is because effectively this will isolate 600 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,240 Syria from Iraq and from Iran and it will isolate Lebanon from 601 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:27,600 Syria, Iraq and Iran and also Palestine from Lebanon and 602 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,640 Syria. So this is effectively about 603 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:35,280 corralling, imprisoning any resistance actor States and in 604 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,800 that area of Iraq. So again, this is compounding 605 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,480 the imprisonment of Syrians. If we look at, we can look at 606 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,320 the Yinon Plan, we can look at the clean break doctrine. 607 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,400 But I just drew up the map of the new Middle East, which was 608 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,440 published in the early 2000s. But where I've circled the map, 609 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,120 you can actually see that on the border with Syria, the intention 610 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:04,960 is to build in Iraqi Sunni Muslim state, which effectively 611 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,680 will again further distance Syria from any assistance that 612 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,120 it might receive either from Iran or from any of the 613 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:19,680 resistance actors in the region. Quite, quite an incredible 614 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,600 situation, quite an incredible development. 615 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,360 Vanessa, do you have any idea what the the total amount of 616 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,040 money that's being spent on this is? 617 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,520 Oh, very difficult to tell because, I mean, Turkey is 618 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,640 running its own project. Raytheon in Tucson, AZ is the 619 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,520 prime contractor for the Jordanian wall. 620 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,440 Britain, as we've said to date have spent 115,000,000. 621 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,000 But it's it's, it's up in the hundreds of millions that have 622 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,560 been poured into this project. Any thoughts? 623 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,120 Well, I mean, that's a lot of monitoring as well, you know, 624 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,480 all these sort of sensors and whatnot. 625 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,440 Do you get, do you get the sense that that that data will be 626 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,440 shared, especially with Israel? Yeah, of course it's going into 627 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,320 a central command which is manned by the Zionist bloc, 628 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,440 particularly the US and the UK. So of course, yes, it's entirely 629 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,240 for the benefit of Israel. Yeah, OK. 630 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,240 Well, we will discuss this more an extra. 631 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,480 Thank you, Vanessa. OK, if you like what the UK 632 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,920 column does, you'd like to support us. 633 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,560 We do need your financial help. If you look at the front page of 634 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,640 the website, there is a link there take you to a page that 635 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,520 explains how you can help us financially. 636 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,320 If you can't help us financially, please do share our 637 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,680 material because that helps us defeat the censorship regime in 638 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,640 the UK and elsewhere. Tonight, 7:00 PM Germ warfare 639 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,960 has been to Alex Newman. 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It's doing very well on YouTube. 646 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,080 So thank you to everybody that's watching on YouTube. 647 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,720 And I just want to mention this because Matt Campbell, who's 648 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:16,240 been on this program many times, is attempting to get a new 649 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:20,720 inquest into his brothers death from during 911 into the Supreme 650 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,720 Court to to get another look at that. 651 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,640 He's almost reached his target for the amount of money he needs 652 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,840 to raise. Apparently this is now going to 653 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,480 be heard in the Supreme Court. If you can possibly help with 654 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,440 this, there's only about another 1000 lbs or so to go on the on 655 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,720 the goal of on the crowdfunder. It's on the crowdfunder website. 656 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,760 The link will be in the show notes and also if you want to 657 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,280 get a bit more of the background have a look on the UK column 658 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,120 website. But also Ted Walters from IC 659 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,640 911's just done an interview with Redacted on this case and 660 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:55,240 on the progress on the case. So do have a look at that if you 661 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:59,400 possibly can. OK, Now let's let's move on then 662 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,960 to the issue of the Don Sturgis inquiry. 663 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,000 This, of course follows on from the Skripal case, the issue of 664 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,720 the claimed Novichok poisoning in Salisbury. 665 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,720 And well, the Don Sturgis inquiry was running earlier this 666 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,560 year and the inquiry report is due to be published tomorrow. 667 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,000 Now we're going to have a main segment on this on Friday's news 668 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,360 program, but I just want to welcome. 669 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,680 Tim Norman to the programme. Tim, you wrote the the day of 670 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,800 the script all the big article on the UK column website and a 671 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,320 whole host of other content for propaganda and focus and other 672 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,880 places. But just very briefly, what are 673 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,920 your thoughts on on what's likely to come out in the 674 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,160 inquiry tomorrow? I think, well, I don't think the 675 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,200 UK government ever wants to hold a a public inquiry, but I think 676 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,840 it really didn't want to hold this public inquiry. 677 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,360 It's shrouded a great deal of stuff in secrecy. 678 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,840 It's hidden a lot behind closed doors and as you say, it relates 679 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,640 to this 2018 poisoning. So it's seven years in the 680 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,760 making. It's really been quite a long 681 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,920 time for the Sturgis family to try and find some kind of 682 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,080 justice or some answers to what led to the death. 683 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,040 It's brought by Dawn Search's daughter, with Michael 684 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,720 Mansfield, the barrister behind her and looking for, as I say, 685 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:21,080 answers to what could have killed Dawn, who was apparently 686 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,840 killed by this nerve agent Novichok that was abandoned in 687 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,600 Salisbury after a failed attempt to kill Sergo Skripal. 688 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,480 And well, what are your views on whether Novichok was actually 689 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,800 used on the day? I would say the evidence is 690 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,280 rather slight. It actually bears comparison to 691 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,880 the Duma atrocity in 2018, which is only a month or so later, in 692 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,520 that in that case, we know from OPCW whistleblowers there was no 693 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,920 nerve agent and yes, there was mass casualties. 694 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,040 In this case we apparently had a deadly nerve agent, far more 695 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,480 deadly than sarin, which was allegedly the use of Duma. 696 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,400 That produced an initial case at least. 697 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:02,320 No casualties until four months later. 698 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,600 I don't think. Yeah, sorry. 699 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,360 Go ahead. I think the answer is probably 700 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,720 that Novichok was a fabricated event, just as sarin was 701 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:17,280 fabricated in the Duma case. Yes, I think I would concur with 702 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,120 that. And particularly bearing in mind 703 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,760 we keep mentioning it, but we just should keep remembering it. 704 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,960 That the chief medical officer of the United Kingdom suggested 705 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,440 that if you thought you had been coming in contact with with 706 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,440 Novichok, that the best course of action was to wash your 707 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,320 clothes or whatever as normal and wipe things down with wet 708 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,720 wipes. I mean, the the narrative was 709 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:42,640 just so separated from reality that if if if there had been 710 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,000 actually a nerve agent on the streets that it just didn't make 711 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,800 any sense. Now, look, I want to Tim. 712 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,640 Well, first of all, before we come on to this, I mean, you 713 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,720 were talking about the secrecy involved in this. 714 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,720 When the report comes out, how are they going to deal, do you 715 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,880 think, with the issues that were held in secret? 716 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,080 I think they're going to gloss over them. 717 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,040 I mean, it's, it is extremely serious, although as you 718 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,400 suggest, it's comic. It's comical in many ways. 719 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,400 The way that we were asked to respond to it. 720 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,440 It was, of course, setting the ground for the war, incoming war 721 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,040 in Ukraine as it then was. And it involved the death of a, 722 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,320 of a, of a, of a innocent woman under whatever circumstances. 723 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,520 But I don't think they're going to go into any detail about the 724 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,760 very problematic elements that came up during the inquiry, 725 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,120 though I do look forward to going into them in detail with 726 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,440 you on Friday. There's a great deal of odd 727 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,000 evidence that emerged despite the British government's attempt 728 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,920 to keep a very tight sort of control over the narrative. 729 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,280 So we would urge everybody to keep an eye out for that report 730 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,440 tomorrow and have a look at the mainstream media reporting and 731 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,760 then come and see us on Thursday, On Friday, sorry to 732 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,480 get the update, but just to finish this segment, I want to 733 00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,400 let everybody know that next Thursday, the 11th of the 11th 734 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,640 of December, that's tomorrow week, we will be holding an 735 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,560 event in Salisbury, which we're calling Skripal and Novichok. 736 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,600 What didn't happen if we could put that on screen. 737 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,160 And so this is not yet up on Eventbrite, but will be up on 738 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,160 Eventbrite on Friday. So tickets will go on sale on 739 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,760 Friday. They're going to be 10 lbs. 740 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,760 Now look, what we're aiming to do here, Tim, very briefly, is 741 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,800 to get people, local people engaged on this. 742 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,520 So while we're very happy to see UK column members and UK column 743 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,160 viewers and listeners joining us for that, we'd actually very 744 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,800 much like to encourage as many people that are aware of what we 745 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,320 do to to invite people that aren't to come to that event 746 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,320 which you'll be speaking at. Yes, I'm looking forward to it. 747 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,880 We're planning a tour of the city, I believe. 748 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,280 Yes. Well, that's something else 749 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,040 which might be going on as well, but we'll talk more about that 750 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,280 on Friday as well. So Tim, thank you very much for 751 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,640 joining us. We're looking forward to seeing 752 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,200 you on Friday. Let's move on then, Charles. 753 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,840 Yeah, just a very brief piece extending really Tim's theme of 754 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,120 controlling the narrative. And as if it wasn't undignified 755 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,880 enough, having all the for all brought into the public about 756 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,760 the decision of West Midlands Police to ban the fans of 757 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,640 Maccabee Tel Aviv a short while ago. 758 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,280 It has got worse. And with thanks to Declassified 759 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,960 UK for bringing this to everybody's attention. 760 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,360 But the Home Affairs Select Committee met, and we've just 761 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,800 got a very short clip of a video of them declaring their 762 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,120 interests before the hearing. Before we start, there are some 763 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,440 declarations of interest. I I will declare that I am an 764 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,640 officer and member of the Conservative Friends of Israel. 765 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,000 And a member of the Labour Friends of Israel. 766 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,000 I've received a donation of £2000 from the Lib Dem Friends 767 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,960 of Israel an. Amateurish Labour MP. 768 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,800 And in fact, as reported by Declassified, there was actually 769 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,920 somebody present who didn't even declare that they'd recently 770 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,280 made a trip to Israel. So as if anyone needed the the 771 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,480 type of confirmation that there really are undue influences 772 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,400 everywhere, that is it. Vanessa, let's welcome you back 773 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,120 to the programme and what's going on with respect to Trump, 774 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,280 Israel and Syria. Yeah, One thing I, I I failed to 775 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,120 point out on the map that was up on screen, but we can talk about 776 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,160 it and extra is the potential for a wall to be built basically 777 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,480 cutting the South of Syria from the north to the South of 778 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,040 Damascus. But anyway, we're seeing again, 779 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,120 these these manufactured rifts between Trump and Israel. 780 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,480 So allegedly Trump warns Israel not to interfere in Syria 781 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,680 because of course he's such a mega supporter of the AL Qaeda 782 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,680 takfiri regime there. Absolute nonsense. 783 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,760 It's, it's just effectively plausible deniability for the 784 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,200 United States for what Israel is, is for the crimes that 785 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,400 Israel is committing in southern Syria, which include in the last 786 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,320 few days, an Israeli raid in southern Syria, which killed 13 787 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,800 in the village itself in the South, encroaching into Syrian 788 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:16,760 territory beyond the 1974 territorial agreement in 789 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,400 relation to the occupied Golan territories. 790 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:25,160 Just a very quick video of the incursion by the Israeli forces 791 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,360 that included helicopters as well. 792 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,600 And they had to leave one of their Humvee vehicles behind, 793 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,880 which they then later bombed to prevent it falling into the 794 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,680 hands of civilians in Syria. So here's the RAID itself. 795 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,800 So I mean sort of extraordinary scenes, bearing in mind the 796 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,000 majority of these people were civilians. 797 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,600 The claim by Israel, of course, was that it was a Hamas 798 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,720 affiliated group that they were trying to root out there. 799 00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:53,680 Just a very quick map here to show where Beit Jin, the 800 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,440 village, actually is. It's in that southern section 801 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,680 that Israel is effectively trying to occupy and annex. 802 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,800 And then in fact, another video has been released by various 803 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,160 social media channels showing Israeli tanks actually entering 804 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,840 Syrian territory and moving around quite happily with 805 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,240 absolutely no restrictions whatsoever. 806 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,480 While this has been going on for some time, this is actually one 807 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,560 of the first video evidence that we've had of it. 808 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,600 And then if we can just go forward to the map itself, which 809 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,120 is the occupation of Syrian territory. 810 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,320 So this shows how Israel has basically the red section shows 811 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:46,000 how far it has encroached beyond the 1974 agreement line. 812 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:51,320 It's about 40 to 20 kilometres from Damascus itself, 19 new 813 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:56,880 bases and taken over 800 square kilometres of Syrian territory. 814 00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,680 So clearly we know that Israel doesn't leave territory once 815 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,040 it's occupied it neither does the US. 816 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,720 So it appears to be very clear what Israel's intentions are. 817 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,760 Thank you for that and thank you very much for that. 818 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,040 Charles, what's going on? Let's come back to the UK then 819 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,440 and Children's Schools Bill. Yeah, very briefly. 820 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,560 I mean, unfortunately as with so many subjects, there's, there's 821 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,600 not really time to give as much coverage as we'd like. 822 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,320 But still it should be noted that there was a debate in the 823 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,680 House of Commons on the on the progress of the Children's 824 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,640 well-being and Schools Bill on Monday. 825 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,200 And the gist of it is that really there is very little 826 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,760 opposition to many of the intrusive measures. 827 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,600 But what's been of particular concern across the board really 828 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,640 is this idea of having a unique identifier, effectively a type 829 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:51,880 of digital ID for children. But Gideon Amos was notable in 830 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,720 speaking out about exactly this issue. 831 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:56,560 And I'll just quote what he said, which was let us remember 832 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,840 that it gives any public body the ability to share any 833 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,920 information, whether or not it is right, correct and accurate 834 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,440 without the knowledge or consent of parents. 835 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,880 Anyone who thinks the public sector is good at looking after 836 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,560 our data and getting it accurate has probably been living on the 837 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,680 moon. Now, there's obviously much more 838 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,000 to come out about the the debate and the direction of this bill. 839 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,920 But bearing in mind what's being said about digital identity in 840 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,720 the round at the moment, it's important that Amos's remarks 841 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,240 are taken note of, especially since they're so discordant with 842 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:32,400 the majority of other parliamentarians, which seems 843 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,760 perfectly extraordinary given his position. 844 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,440 And indeed, you'd think that everybody would be well aware of 845 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,280 exactly that fact. OK, now we have a report from 846 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,480 Wilk also. We do, yes, on the case of Derek 847 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,640 Dimock and the inquiry there, sorry, the inquest that's that's 848 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,200 taken place into his death in 2020 and the suggestion that in 849 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,280 fact it was due to treatment with midazolam in particular 850 00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:01,440 that ended his life. This is a really, really 851 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,800 important case. It's been going on for some 852 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,880 time. It's been a miracle for that. 853 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,560 The family have actually got it to inquest. 854 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,400 A lot of families don't even get this far. 855 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,720 It costs an awful lot of money to get a case to inquest. 856 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,200 It's very difficult to get evidence because a lot of 857 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,920 families do not know this has happened to their loved ones and 858 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,440 those that do, when they try to pursue to get the medical 859 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,160 evidence, they're told no, they can't have it. 860 00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:24,320 Hello, this is Will Coles with reporting for UK column today. 861 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,360 I'm now outside the Coroner's Court down here in Suffolk 862 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,280 reporting on the inquest into the death of Derek Dimock, aged 863 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,880 86. At the time of death in 2020 at 864 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,880 the Royal Trinity Hospice, Derek Dimmick was administered 865 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,840 midazolam, a respiratory suppressant, and is being 866 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,360 alleged by his family, including his son Paul, that he was killed 867 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,800 by this during the height of the so-called COVID pandemic. 868 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:45,560 This case has dragged on a number of years. 869 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,400 Obviously it's been five years now since the death of Mr. 870 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,800 Dimmick with many delays and extensions to this inquest which 871 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,760 was originally billed for only around 4 days. 872 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,960 Now another four days have been billed here in December. 873 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,120 This is the first day of those. Today I was actually denied 874 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,600 access to the main court and was provided instead with a video 875 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,040 link. We were told that the main 876 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,320 court, despite it not being in full use today, and I did get a 877 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,400 glimpse inside One of the other courts which was absolutely 878 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,880 huge, could not be used for this case and instead people were 879 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,160 funnelled into a smaller court which did not have access. 880 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,360 Instead I was provided a video link where I could see about 1/4 881 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,080 of the coroner's face and none of the rest of the courtroom. 882 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,960 In addition, we've had a number of other issues with the case 883 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,560 today. Of the two nurses who were meant 884 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,000 to be the focus, we have heard that one of the nurses was 885 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,760 unable to attend due to medical reasons. 886 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,640 The other nurse has disappeared and apparently cannot be 887 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:39,960 contacted. Much of the day has been 888 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,240 consumed by wrangling over which written questions could be 889 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,280 submitted to the first nurse. Through these questions we were 890 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,840 able to look at many of the main themes of this inquest, 891 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,080 including nurse awareness around formazinol, which is meant to be 892 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,080 the antidote to midazolam, irregularities over medical logs 893 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,160 and whether these were backdated in terms of records. 894 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,960 Why more Antonox was not given to Mr. Dimock when Antonox 895 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,000 appeared to work earlier on. Why he appeared to have been 896 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,800 from the medical records, denied pain relief for 58 minutes. 897 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,400 How a holistic assessment was conducted when he was either 898 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,640 comatose or unresponsive. How early he had been agitated 899 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,120 and drowsy when previously alleged to be talking, drinking 900 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,200 Walter and briefly walking. The disposal of the drugs used 901 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,960 and whether these were properly logged and finally the 902 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,480 controlled drug book being destroyed during the 903 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,760 investigation. Earlier I spoke to Amanda Hunter 904 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,720 and Andrew Bridging, both of whom have a keen stake in this 905 00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,680 inquest. It's the third time I've come 906 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,080 down on the third session. I was approached by the Dimmick 907 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:43,400 family back in 2023 when I was an MP and I wrote to the then 908 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:49,040 coroner for Southwark. A man called Andrew Harris asked 909 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,640 him to consider expediting A inquest into the death of Derek 910 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,800 Dimmick, where he went into hospital with gout or Respite 911 00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,440 Hospice with gout on a Friday. He was suffering from dementia 912 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,680 and had been for quite a while and by Monday morning he was he 913 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,680 was dead and the evidence showed that he was immediately put on 914 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,440 midazolam and morphine. During COVID, many of the people 915 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,960 who from my group, families against involuntary medical 916 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:20,440 euthanasia, their loved ones were basically euthanized, not 917 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,160 only with midazolam and morphine that that is in some of the 918 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,760 cases, but in many of the cases it's basically the Liverpool 919 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,640 Care pathway under another name. So what happened was families 920 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,520 were told that their loved one was dying and they were now end 921 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:39,280 of life and they were put on, they were dehydrated, they were 922 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,600 not given food. They deteriorated. 923 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,160 They were then sedated and then put on end of life drugs. 924 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,600 Not all died with the because of the end of life drugs, but many 925 00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,200 did. Obviously I was aware of NG163 926 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,480 implemented by Matt Hancock on the 4th of April 2020 as a 927 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,920 protocol for the treatment of vulnerable elderly not suitable 928 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,160 for ventilation who's suspected of suffering from COVID it. 929 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,160 Was basically the Liverpool Care pathway, which is supposed to be 930 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,880 banned in 2014, went on steroids and you can see evidence from 931 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,000 that from both the Scottish COVID inquiry and the UK COVID 932 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,840 inquiry. You have families on record, 933 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,760 care home managers on record saying that they called the GP, 934 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,560 asked for antibiotics, they were refused and they said send the 935 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,520 end of life care. Well, what we've actually got 936 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,520 here is the cold blooded murder, I believe involuntary 937 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,200 euthanization of 10s of thousands of vulnerable elderly. 938 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,440 What we do know about G163, which is the parallel track. 939 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,760 So stay at home until your lips go blue, Come to hospital, if 940 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,920 you're healthy enough, we'll put you on a ventilator. 941 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,880 And about 85% of people died and were put down as having died of 942 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,080 COVID. Or if you're vulnerable and 943 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,440 elderly, not suitable for ventilation, we'll put you on 944 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,960 midazolam morphine. And 100% of the people died and 945 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,480 we've been put down as COVID deaths. 946 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,760 During COVID, it really was phenomenal what was happening. 947 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,800 We believe 10s of thousands of people died during COVID on 948 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,920 these protocols. And these protocols are 949 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,440 continuing, not on the scale that they did before, but they 950 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,920 are continuing. And it's extremely concerning in 951 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,640 the context of the city's suicide bill, which is coming 952 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,320 in. The two nurses who are witnesses 953 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,480 once said that she's ill and got a sick note and the other one 954 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:15,480 apparently is uncontactable. They were supposed to be here to 955 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:21,000 be cross examined by both sides today and and it's just not 956 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,640 really acceptable. But people can dodge being able 957 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,400 to give evidence. It's been months and months 958 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,480 since we were here with the last session of this case and it's 959 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,840 very interesting that as a result of the letter I wrote in 960 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:39,840 2023, we're here today. The then coroner for Southwark, 961 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,440 Andrew Harris, approved permission for Derek Dimock's 962 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,640 inquest. Then he retired and I had CC D 963 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,480 into my letter, the Chief Coroner for England, who's also 964 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,240 now retired. But back in 2023, despite the 965 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,280 fact that the inquest was approved, the Chief Coroner for 966 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,440 England wrote to parliamentary standards and tried to get me 967 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,440 disciplined for attempting to influence the judge. 968 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,200 I don't think the establishment want this case. 969 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,360 I think it's actually far more dangerous for the establishment 970 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,400 than the vaccine. We hope that this will be a test 971 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,400 case and we hope that this will this will expose what has been 972 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,880 going on and we hope that the family get justice because they 973 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,080 deserve justice. I can see why the establishment 974 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,160 really want to keep a lid on this, on this information. 975 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,160 And this is a totemic coroner's inquest. 976 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,840 And that's why, quite honestly, it's being dragged out and 977 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,440 dragged out. And as we all know that justice 978 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,000 delayed is justice denied, and justice is being denied here. 979 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,120 This is just the first of four days allocated here in December 980 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,720 and it seems that this is going to be a case to watch with many 981 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,840 wider implications. This is Will Coleshill reporting 982 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,480 for UK column. So huge thanks to Will for that. 983 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,480 And this issue of midazolam and morphine use is not going to go 984 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,160 away anytime soon. So undoubtedly we'll be coming 985 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,240 back to it. But another issue which isn't 986 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,880 going to go away anytime soon, Charles, is the issue of water 987 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,720 supplies and the requirement for the use of water to cool data 988 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,920 centres that we are building increasingly. 989 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,800 What have you got on this? Well, it's something we've been 990 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,120 keeping a keen eye on as as big Tech continues to plunder all 991 00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,680 the natural resources that are there and take all of our 992 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,640 electricity at the same time. We're going to have a look at 993 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,560 Amazon who are making the resplendent claim to be 994 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:30,360 interested in water conservation and replenishment efforts around 995 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,040 the world. Now, they've got much 996 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,320 promotional material to apparently support this claim, 997 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,480 but we're going to look in particular at a project that 998 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,240 they've got in Oregon and they've said on their on their 999 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:43,920 website, their water replenishment website. 1000 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,680 We're excited to announce Amazon's first water 1001 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,480 replenishment project in Oregon as Amazon Web Services continues 1002 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,400 to make progress towards its big commitment to being water 1003 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,680 positive, whatever that means. By 20-30 they say that they're 1004 00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,080 going to be able to restore as much as 2 billion litres of 1005 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:06,240 water a year using nature based solutions, which makes one 1006 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,800 question whether actually they can really claim responsibility 1007 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,480 for restoring or replenishing the water in the 1st place 1008 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,160 because they're obviously not creating it themselves. 1009 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,000 That's slightly beside the point. 1010 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,720 And the issue here is that all is certainly not well, at least 1011 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,720 according to a number of sources in Oregon. 1012 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,120 And here we've got Tekorian reporting on an investigation 1013 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,680 conducted by Rolling Stone in which the nuts and bolts of it 1014 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,600 are that nitrate levels in the water there are being recorded 1015 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,200 at 10 times their normal concentration. 1016 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,320 Aquifers are reported as being contaminated. 1017 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,880 Now it's important to clarify that there were existing 1018 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,120 nitrates from agricultural natural chemicals in the water 1019 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,720 and it's not that the level has been increased by Amazon, but 1020 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:54,480 the process of concentration has been happening, they say, by the 1021 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,520 process of condensing in the cooling of the Amazon data 1022 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,880 centres. Now there's also meant to be 1023 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,160 alongside this a significant increase in Oregon in particular 1024 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,120 of cancers and occurrences of miscarriage. 1025 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,680 Amazon of course have refuted all of this, but it it, I think 1026 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,360 really the the coincidence cannot be ignored, particularly 1027 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,960 at a time where water has become quite such a sensitive issue. 1028 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,840 And I think just for the UK column audience, well and indeed 1029 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,720 they particularly based in the UKI would just point out that 1030 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,120 they have got a water replenishment project running in 1031 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:32,880 the Thames Valley at the moment. So we will keep our eyes on that 1032 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,000 very clear way in the coming months. 1033 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,200 So we got to end there. Unfortunately, we're out of 1034 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,760 time. I'm going to say massive thank 1035 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,960 you to Vanessa and Charles and to Tim Norman and to David 1036 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,640 Miller for joining us today. We'll be back in a couple of 1037 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,240 minutes on the live stream. If you UK column member for some 1038 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,880 UK column news extra hope to see you there. 1039 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,440 Don't forget the videos going out tonight and also tomorrow at 1040 01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,360 1:00 PM. And we'll see you at 1:00 PM as 1041 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,920 usual on Friday for another UK column news. 1042 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,120 See you then. Bye bye. 1043 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:03,400 Bye.