1 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:11,200 Good afternoon. It's Friday the 7th of November 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,120 2025, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK called News. 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,840 I'm your host Mike Robinson and joining me by video link today 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,000 are Charles Mallett and Mark Anderson. 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,360 Welcome to the program both. Now, later in the program, we're 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,200 going to be looking at facial recognition and so-called 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,000 talking street signs in the UK, calls to further tackle 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,880 disinformation internationally and hysteria over raw milk and 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,760 beef, but we'll be talking about that a little bit later. 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,560 We're going to begin with COP 30, which I suppose in some 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,440 respects is a related topic. But anyway, Agenda 2030 was 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:48,400 trending on X today and Darren of Plymouth here in his ex post 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,640 sums things up pretty well. The worst people on the planet, 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,000 he says, have travelled to Brazil and private jets to 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,560 discuss how they can stop us plebs from ever doing the same. 16 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,080 Climate change is a scam. Well, that's what he said. 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,720 But let's have a look at a couple of the worst people, as 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:13,240 he put it. The time for partnership. 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,760 Protection and progress is now. We know what is at stake. 20 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,440 We know what must be done, and we know that no country, no 21 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,120 community, no individual can do it alone. 22 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,400 Let us use these inspiring surroundings here in the heart 23 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,560 of the Amazon to rise to meet this moment, not with 24 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,320 hesitation, but with courage. Let us honour the leadership of 25 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:40,040 those who have long protected the planet, Indigenous peoples 26 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,400 and local communities and walk forwards together. 27 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,480 This here at COP 30 is our moment. 28 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,880 Let us not waste it. Our children and grandchildren 29 00:01:52,000 --> 00:02:03,600 are watching and hoping. So Prince William there, the 30 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,240 father, the the the son, following in the footsteps of 31 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,759 the father. Now, in February this year was 32 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:12,000 the deadline for countries to submit their updated national 33 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,400 climate plans. But out of the 197 countries, 34 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,480 only 13 met that initial deadline. 35 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,760 The UK was one of them. 64 countries have now submitted 36 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,920 their their plans in time for the conference. 37 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,520 But countries which the complaints are off the scale, 38 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,800 countries representing 70% of what are described as global 39 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,440 emissions, have not made their plans public at this point. 40 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,680 So that would be the reason for all the whining about the United 41 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,760 States, China and India and the media over the last day or two. 42 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,040 And The upshot of all this, Starmer says, is that consensus 43 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,800 is gone. Many will view that as a 44 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,160 positive development. But whether or not we consider 45 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,000 that positive, what we can say is that this is perhaps yet 46 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,160 another explanation for why there seems to be so much panic 47 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,840 in Western elites in particular, and why we're staring down the 48 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,080 barrel of ever more chaos. Charles, I don't know if you've 49 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,640 got thoughts on that. Yeah, Well, I think good 50 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:13,680 afternoon, Mike. And and indeed everybody else. 51 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,000 Yes. First of all, with St. 52 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,560 Prince William, there's sort of echoes of 1970 and Prince 53 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,480 Charles as he then was being brought into this arena, 54 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,120 basically telling everybody that they're going to have to pay for 55 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,360 the decisions that he and those surrounding him are going to 56 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,960 make. And I think exactly what you 57 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,560 described, you know, the the whinging that goes on about 58 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,520 countries supposedly not meeting targets that they probably never 59 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,120 even set themselves in the 1st place. 60 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,320 A lot of this is actually consolidated into a document 61 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:47,400 that the UN Environment Programme has released just this 62 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,440 week, and they of course base an awful lot of it on modelling. 63 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,400 It's called Off Target, which is about right. 64 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,040 Certainly one might hope that the plans are off target, but I 65 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,080 think that that might be more read into the the title of the 66 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,840 report itself. And they they predicate 67 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,640 absolutely everything on so-called modelling and they're 68 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,960 talking about limiting overshoot to .3 of a degree Celsius. 69 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,360 So I think, you know, there is a lot to think about with this. 70 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,079 And the other thing that I would go back to in terms of the very 71 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:23,360 sketchy science that's supposed to underpin all this is the 72 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,200 graph that I have shown before, and we'll continue to do so from 73 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,840 the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, 74 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,040 showing the levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide in 75 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,000 parts per million over the course of a five year period. 76 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,080 I mean, this graph does actually go back considerably longer than 77 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,600 that, but but at this scale, it articulates exactly that. 78 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,880 The levels of carbon dioxide go up and down in a very, very 79 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,400 regular pattern every year. Now how can one explain that if 80 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,560 you're basing the whole climate change model on anthropogenic or 81 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,080 man made emissions? And I think my contention is 82 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,040 that you simply cannot do that. Now of course the relationship 83 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:09,080 between carbon dioxide and temperature is or maybe linked, 84 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,680 but just not the way in which it's being explained. 85 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,960 This of course will be well hidden at COP 30, but I think 86 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,280 the the messaging that's been going on around the fringes is 87 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:20,120 interesting. China and India are obviously 88 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:24,840 going in for some Flack, but I mean China, if there's any 89 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:28,200 sincerity about it, hasn't pledged to get to net zero until 90 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,360 2060 and India not till 2070. Absolutely no. 91 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:38,240 A lot of the, the pushback on on carp and so on has, you know, 92 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,840 expressed sentiments very similar to Darren and Plymouth 93 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:43,360 at the beginning there. But I noticed a lot of the 94 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,440 commentary attempting to, to present this as being some kind 95 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,640 of left, right thing. So for example, one person was 96 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,200 tweeting out John Kerry and and talking about the number of cars 97 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,440 and houses and so on that that John Kerry has and saying, of 98 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:05,600 course this is a leftist attitude, but that's in a sense 99 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,920 falling into the trap. It's it's absolutely falling 100 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,040 into the trap. Of course it is. 101 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,560 I mean, ultimately, like with all these issues where there is 102 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,760 supposedly a division between left and right, the fundamental 103 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,480 truth is that everybody's been lied to. 104 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,920 So in picking what you consider to be a side, you really are 105 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,280 falling into exactly that trap. I think what is interesting is 106 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:29,320 the way in which the so-called climate lobby has aligned itself 107 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,720 on the Israel Palestine issue. And that that has absolutely 108 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,480 muddied the waters in terms of people deciding whether they 109 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,080 really are in the right camp or not. 110 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,800 And it just, it just goes to show how people are manipulated 111 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,280 because there there appears to be this requirement to adhere to 112 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:48,360 the group that you sort of originally belonged to. 113 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,760 And I think that's all. Been very confused by this. 114 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,480 Indeed, thanks for that, Charles. 115 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:58,120 Now, Mark, let's come welcome you to the programme and related 116 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,080 in a in a sense we're going to have a look at the China's 117 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,720 concept paper on global governance. 118 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,800 Indeed, good day everyone. I was looking at the recent 119 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,880 Asian and APEC economic summits that just wound up all the 120 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,200 dealing, and I came across the Global Governance Initiative. 121 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,720 And on the 24th of September, not with a great amount of 122 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,120 fanfare, the UN held a climate summit. 123 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,720 And at that summit, Zi Jinping, the leader of China, gave a 124 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,680 presentation on this Global Governance Initiative, or GGI. 125 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,680 And this first slide shows it's right from the Ministry of 126 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,240 Foreign Affairs, People's Republic of China. 80 years ago, 127 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,080 based on the bitter lessons of the two world wars, the 128 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,600 international community decided to establish the UN, commencing 129 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,440 a brand new practice in global governance, Zi told the climate 130 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,800 summit audience. GGI is designed to synchronize 131 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,520 with several other far reaching plans, including China's Global 132 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,440 Development, Security and Civilization Initiative. 133 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,720 So there's four legs to the stool in this basically. 134 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,520 Now moving on from there, I'll explain it a little further and 135 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,800 then we can analyze it. The global governance initiative 136 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,800 and the underpinning of it is the basic norms of international 137 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,800 relations based on the purposes and principles of the UN Charter 138 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,320 have made historic contributions, they say, to 139 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,360 maintaining World Peace and development emphasis here. 140 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,520 But the current international landscape is undergoing changes 141 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,200 and turbulence. The UN and multilateralism are 142 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,640 being challenged. The deficit in global governance 143 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,000 continues to grow. A deficit in global governance. 144 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,520 So at face value, at least, it seems like China's leader is 145 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,520 very concerned that globalism is losing its stick. 146 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,840 It's it doesn't have any traction anymore. 147 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,680 And that's that. Again, on the surface, that 148 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:57,080 seems to be what he's saying. And the China, especially based 149 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,920 on the climate issue, needs to take the lead to be the pace 150 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,600 guard, to be the tip of the spear to make sure the Paris 151 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,240 climate agreement happens and gets implemented. 152 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,040 This is the way that China is talking now. 153 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,280 We have a quote from a Chinese commentator. 154 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,440 In fact, a couple quotes, a Mr. Pan Dang. 155 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,080 Oh, wait, wait, we have this. I'm sorry. 156 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,720 We, we do have one other slide that explains a little more of 157 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,720 the planks of this. I beg your pardon? 158 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,800 Global governance initiative, international institutions, 159 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,600 China is saying have 3 deficiencies. 160 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,960 First, serious under representation of the global S 161 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,080 2nd, erosion of authoritativeness. 162 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:38,320 The purposes and principles of the UN Charter have not been 163 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,520 effectively observed. Again, they beat. 164 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,280 They think globalism is weakening. 165 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:43,640 Things are not getting implemented. 166 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,560 They're going to die in the vine unless somebody intervenes. 167 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,880 China's saying it wants to be that intervention. 168 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,640 Third, urgent need for greater effectiveness. 169 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,280 The implementation of the UN 20-30 Agenda for Sustainable 170 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,840 Development is seriously lagging behind, with the main issues 171 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,200 being climate change in the digital divide. 172 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:08,360 Of course, that includes the 17 sustainable development goals. 173 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,480 China is all in on that, at least rhetorically speaking. 174 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,000 That's what they're saying. Now, moving on, we do have that 175 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,400 commentator who commented for China diplomacy, Pan Deng, and 176 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,080 he had this to say. At a time when multilateralism 177 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,840 is challenged and global goals implementation is lagging, China 178 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:32,160 is framing its climate policy as a case study on how to translate 179 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,640 vision into action. So they they really want to make 180 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,720 this tangible. And the GGI content paper, Mr. 181 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,680 Deng went on to say, notes that the UN 2030 agendas 182 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:44,960 implementation is seriously lagging behind. 183 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,720 China's climate strategy appears to be a direct answer to this 184 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,080 challenge. So at least, at least 185 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,920 rhetorically, at least, what China's leadership is having to 186 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,800 say, Mike, this is what's coming out. 187 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,440 China wants to kind of intervene and really be at the front of 188 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,000 the vanguard to try and implement what it sees as a 189 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,080 lagging global governance agenda. 190 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,000 Now back to you. Yeah. 191 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,680 Well, look, Mark, what I would say about that is I think it's 192 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:18,360 important that we don't sort of project our own agendas onto 193 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,360 what China and the global S are thinking and doing with respect 194 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,280 to to the global goals and so on. 195 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,920 I think we can talk about this an extra a lot more, but I think 196 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,000 that we've got to always keep in mind that the global goals have 197 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,640 represent different things to between the so-called first 198 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,960 world countries who are, you know, using them as a mechanism 199 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,080 of control and technocracy mainly. 200 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,800 And the global S that is actually mainly still focused on 201 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,280 whether they've got food to eat and whether they are providing 202 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,000 educations and so on. So, so, and I think it's very 203 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,280 important that we always look at what countries are doing. 204 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,600 So, you know, China and India are being censured at the moment 205 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:08,680 by the COP 30 crowd for not not cooperating to the degree that 206 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:11,560 is expected by Western ours in particular. 207 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:18,200 And they, they are continuing as you know to, to build 208 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:23,360 infrastructure and build go far infrastructure and in some cases 209 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,520 which is absolutely goes against the the sort of net zero policy 210 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,680 that we hear about from our own governments. 211 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,600 So, Charles, have you got any thoughts on this? 212 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,440 Yeah. Well, I think it just comes down 213 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,040 to pragmatism. I mean, you think of one of the 214 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,280 major issues, of course, that has dominated the headlines 215 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,120 amongst these countries this year has been Trump's sort of 216 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,960 pinball approach to tariffs and how to secure trade deals. 217 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,800 Now, if that means that you have to say you're going to do 218 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,080 something to conform to a particular, a sort of an 219 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,800 apparent ideological goal that's been set out as as part of a 220 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,440 sort of globalist policy in order to secure a trade deal, 221 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,000 then then you'll do that. I mean, like you say, it's, it's 222 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,760 the actions that count and not the words. 223 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,760 Whether or not they do actually go through and fulfil any of 224 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,160 these obligations or sort of declarations, it remains to be 225 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,040 seen, seems extremely unlikely. But I think just on a pragmatic 226 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,000 level, to say that you're going to to do it to appear to be one 227 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,480 of the club it is, is both politically and and economically 228 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,400 expedient. Any final thoughts, Mark? 229 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,600 Yeah, that, that's very good perspective. 230 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:37,080 China is possibly using a a kind of tactical thing here at 231 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,200 Dialectical process to secure what it wants to say, what it 232 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,280 needs to say to secure the deals in the best way it can. 233 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:49,960 Trump supposedly tone down some of the tariffs against China 234 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:55,400 when he met October 30th with Xi Jinping in Korea as they wound 235 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,080 up as Trump wound up this 22 part summit, ASEAN and APEC. 236 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,160 So yeah, this kind of Wheeling and dealing and the compromise 237 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,240 involved makes perfect sense. OK. 238 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:10,240 Thank you, Charles. Let's move on then to the UK and 239 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,120 what's the latest on the facial recognition roll out? 240 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,160 Well, we'll get to that, but but via fireworks, which of course 241 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,800 is, well fireworks certainly a feature of this time of year 242 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,000 over this week and this weekend. And alongside that sort of the 243 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,480 predictable complaints about noise entirely justified in some 244 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,160 situations, but in a, in a debate in the in the Commons the 245 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,880 other day. So Alan Campbell MP had this to 246 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:42,560 say about fireworks, or at least he used fireworks to speak about 247 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,560 the Crime and Policing Bill. Just going through the Houses of 248 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,880 Parliament the minute saying that our Crime and policing 249 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,280 Bill, which is currently in the Lords, will give the police 250 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,760 greater powers to get persistent antisocial offenders off our 251 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,360 streets whatever the time of year. 252 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,280 Now, the reason he said that is because there is specific 253 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,440 provision within the bill as it stands about fireworks. 254 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,840 But the point to be drawn out of this is it's terrifically 255 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,840 subjective as to what exactly constitutes antisocial behaviour 256 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,960 and who gets to decide that. But to continue on the sort of 257 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,280 Home Affairs theme and indeed the Crime and Policing Bill, we 258 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,840 look at the way the government's effectively selling it to us, 259 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,160 which is with an announcement just this week about child 260 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,440 prostitution convictions being expunged. 261 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,000 And they're putting this forward as a new story in order to 262 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,840 divert attention from the other things that are contained within 263 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,080 the child, within the Crime and Policing Bill. 264 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,600 But essentially this goes back to what may know and indeed at 265 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,920 the time should have been regarded as completely wrongful 266 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,440 convictions of people who were vulnerable, underage, pushed 267 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,440 into prostitution and ended up being convicted. 268 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,560 But that's to be done away with by the Crime and Policing Bill. 269 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,360 What that hides is some of the other things that are in the 270 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,240 bill, and we're just going to have a look at a couple of 271 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,480 things in order to articulate what I mean by that. 272 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,440 The first of these which I've spoken about before are respect 273 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,480 orders and again we get to the subjectivity of it because they, 274 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:03,000 they, they are contingent upon the court being satisfied on the 275 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:08,400 balance of probabilities that the respondent has engaged in or 276 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,160 threatens to engage in antisocial behaviour. 277 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,360 So straight away thought crime. But in actual fact, when we 278 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,640 consider it not actually crime at all, antisocial behaviour in 279 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,960 itself does not constitute crime. 280 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,400 However, once a respect order has been slapped down upon 281 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,320 somebody so they they may be either prohibited from or 282 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:32,240 mandated to conduct certain behaviours, we are then in a 283 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,320 position where people can be criminalised for not adhering to 284 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,400 the respect order itself. And the other thing which does 285 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,640 pertain specifically to facial recognition, which I'll come 286 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,720 onto is the the so-called offence of concealing an your 287 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,040 identity. Now the the two elements to this 288 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,520 which are requisite are that it must happen in a public place, 289 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,600 that is, that is in a locality designated, and I've abbreviated 290 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,600 that. But basically police may decide 291 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,440 regardless of what anybody on the ground might be intending, 292 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,760 but they may decide whether or not people in an area constitute 293 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,200 A protest. If they do decide that, they 294 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,160 designate it as an area and therefore it it becomes an 295 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,119 offence to cover your face in that situation. 296 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,400 And indeed the second part of it fairly obvious, but it says 297 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,040 using an item that conceals their identity or another 298 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,880 person's identity. Now why would that be? 299 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,320 Well, we'll come on to that via the Home Office. 300 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,880 And indeed, the way the Home Office is putting out the 301 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,920 rhetoric about how it's clamping down on illegal immigration and 302 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,680 they're talking about immigration enforcement with a 303 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,760 whole load of announcements. They're putting out on on 304 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,320 Twitter, just a bit of a slideshow of those at the 305 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,960 moment. But the, the significant thing 306 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,840 that comes out of this, which again is a document that's come 307 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,360 out this week, is the Immigration Enforcement Live 308 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:57,120 Facial Ricket recognition policy document. 309 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,600 And contained within that is a summary of what they're aiming 310 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,800 to do, which is to say that immigration enforcement with 311 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,960 Border Force and police partners will run an overt time limited 312 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:14,040 live facial recognition proof of concept as Auk port in late 2025 313 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,760 focused on identifying and locating persons returning in 314 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,200 breach of a deportation order for law enforcement purposes. 315 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:28,880 Now they aim in in that text to be explicit that it's concerned 316 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,520 only with immigration and people who are reaching deportation 317 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,320 orders. But actually there might be 318 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,080 rather more to it than that. Now we're just going to look at 319 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,000 the legal basis for this because the document produced at the 320 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,520 same time that the legal mandate. 321 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,960 And I think the key bit of text that drops out of this is that 322 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,760 in order to use live facial recognition, immigration 323 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,320 enforcement will rely upon implied powers from the 324 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,120 Immigration Act 1971. So in effect, there is no legal 325 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:55,880 mandate for it. That's written down in law. 326 00:18:56,120 --> 00:19:00,000 They are saying that the Act of 1971 grants them the powers they 327 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,240 need in order to do this. And just to go into what they 328 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,360 say, the primary aim is that they're suggesting that the 329 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:10,760 primary aim will be a law enforcement purpose. 330 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,000 Now inherent in that is the suggestion that there is a 331 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000 secondary or indeed tertiary aim. 332 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,400 Now, they don't articulate exactly what that is and that's 333 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,560 why it bears scrutiny that we're going to give it now, which is 334 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,400 going to, of course, the equality impact assessment. 335 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,080 No government document is complete without one of these 336 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,040 and in that they say that live facial recognition technology 337 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,320 uses biometric data to identify or locate individuals of 338 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,840 interest. It does. 339 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,680 It does this by making a biometric comparison between 340 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,280 subjects in the cameras field of vision and a pre loaded database 341 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,640 of persons who are of interest. Now that takes us right back to 342 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:54,240 the subjective nature of the idea of antisocial behaviour as 343 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,920 it's put forward in the Crime and Policing Bill. 344 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,720 And indeed therefore who might be considered to be a person of 345 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,920 interest, especially when we consider that saying the primary 346 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,160 aim of this facial recognition proof of concept at a port. 347 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:13,000 Of course, there may well be other elements to this trial run 348 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,520 that are going to pertain to more widespread use of facial 349 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:18,960 recognition. And we've seen with the 350 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,160 suggestion of digital ID that it would be mandated as a a method 351 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,640 of combating illegal migration. How many things can effectively 352 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,920 be hung on this notion that. That legal or sorry, illegal 353 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,960 migration is the biggest nut that needs to be cracked in this 354 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,880 country. And I'll just close this off by 355 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,920 by pointing you toward the Information Commissioner's 356 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,480 Office and the method by which, first of all, you can have your 357 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:50,960 information scrubbed off the system, or indeed the system can 358 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,640 be clogged up by submitting what are called subject access 359 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,200 requests. And there's there'll be a link 360 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,280 to this in the show notes. And and I think really this is 361 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,640 a, you know, something that does need to be taken very seriously, 362 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,280 but it does need to be fought. And I, you know, it would appear 363 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,560 to be the case. The system absolutely can be 364 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,600 overwhelmed if enough people push back against it by 365 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,360 demanding that their data is released. 366 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:14,480 I mean, Mike, I don't know if you've got any thoughts on that 367 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,520 particular issue. Well, I mean, taking your, your 368 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,880 point about the how long, how many times they can flog the 369 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,280 same horse with, with the migrant issue. 370 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,160 Just on, on the BB CS PM programme last night as I was 371 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,080 driving home, Evan Davis strikes again because he was, he, he was 372 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,560 shocked by the fact that two guys had been accidentally 373 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,640 released from, from prison, that one of them was migrant who had 374 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,480 overstayed his welcome, who has now actually been rearrested by 375 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,920 the way. But Evan Davis''s response was, 376 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,280 or maybe we need some digital ID for, for prisoners. 377 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,040 And, and so, you know, this, this, it's, it's quite 378 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,240 incredible how every, every opportunity they get, we, we are 379 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,760 pushing this, this agenda. But look, let's, let's just move 380 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,280 on with this topic. And, and in a related issue, 381 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,960 then we have this from the Environment Agency and Kent 382 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,360 County Council, because they've launched what they're describing 383 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:16,920 as interactive signage across Folkestone to help residents and 384 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,600 business prepare for flash flooding. 385 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,720 They say that flash flooding is dangerous and can happen very 386 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,400 quickly and with stating effects, and knowing what to do 387 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,840 in a flood can significantly reduce the risk to life, 388 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,360 property and possessions because we've had major deaths in this 389 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:35,120 country, haven't we, from flash flooding over the last 20 years? 390 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:39,840 But anyway, the signs are provided by this organization, 391 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,440 Hello Lamppost, and they describe this as a two way 392 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,560 communication platform accessible via a mobile phone. 393 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:51,280 Now they were calling them. They were calling them talking 394 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,760 signs. They don't actually talk. 395 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,960 Actually, it turns out you've got a you've got to use your 396 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,520 mobile phone. It's a bit like that AI thing 397 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,720 that we were talking about a couple of weeks ago. 398 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,920 And so basically you scan the QR code and that then allows you to 399 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,760 take part in an AI conversation with, with the website or 400 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,880 whatever it is that that that is is. 401 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,240 But if we put that that that graphic back on screen again for 402 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,040 a second, I just want to sort of look at the countries that this 403 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,880 a particular organization is active in, so Canada, United 404 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,360 States, United Kingdom, Sweden, France, Kazakhstan, India, 405 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,680 Japan, Singapore and I think Australia as well. 406 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,000 So so hello lamp post. Keep an eye out for that and 407 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,920 make sure you scan all those QR codes and get involved in the AI 408 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,920 conversation as often as you possibly can. 409 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,280 I hope everybody recognises that that Charles that comment was 410 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:51,720 dripping in sarcasm. Yes, I, I would imagine that 411 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,400 they probably do, but I'm, I'm just thinking there's going to 412 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,480 be quite a sort of vector when we get told that there's not 413 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,560 enough energy to use the lamp post because it's all gone to 414 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,840 AI. Or indeed, the lamp post has got 415 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,160 so many surveillance cameras on them. 416 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,560 They have either slapped or been cut down by the blade runners. 417 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,040 So it's going to be interesting, an interesting one to see it 418 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,680 play out. Yes, indeed. 419 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,400 OK, let's let's move on. Thank you Charles, let's move on 420 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,760 then. If you like what the UK column 421 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,480 does, we do need your ongoing financial support. 422 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,320 If you can possibly help us out financially, please click on the 423 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,520 button on the front page of the UK column website. 424 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,760 We do, as I say, need your support. 425 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,280 Thanks to everybody that is. 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We have two digital ID events 451 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,080 going on that we want to talk about. 1 is in Crook in 452 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,280 Marketplace on Saturday it starts at 12:30 and Diane 453 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,320 Rasmussen will be speaking one of the speakers there. 454 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,880 And then on Saturday as well at 12:00 PM the usual Glasgow 455 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,920 Digital ID demonstration will be taking place at the bottom of 456 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,720 Jabaka Street by the River Clyde near the Crystal Palace pub in 457 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,440 Central Station. Do go and support everybody 458 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,440 that's involved in those campaigns if you possibly can. 459 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,120 OK, let's move on to the issue of disinformation. 460 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:45,920 And well, Letitia Lunen, who is from the UK mission to the 461 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,560 United Nations, gave a speech to the UN 4th Committee on 462 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,400 Information Integrity a couple of days ago. 463 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,040 Now, this is the kind of thing that we would generally give a 464 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,520 good ignoring to, but in this case she did a fairly good job 465 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,320 of summarising the disinformation industrial 466 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,280 complex which the UK imposes on its own population and which the 467 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,560 UK wants to see exported to all nations. 468 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,400 So I thought we would just look through a couple of the things 469 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,280 that she had to say. So first of all, she said for 470 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,360 the world to come together to tackle global challenges, we 471 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:20,240 rely on accurate information. There is no hope for peace if 472 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,800 the facts of conflict are obscured. 473 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,040 So let's just translate that. So there's no hope that the UK 474 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,480 will continue to to, well, stop fermenting wars. 475 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,280 And that's unless we can get control of the narrative. 476 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,520 Sorry. They're saying that that they 477 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,960 won't continue fermenting the wars unless they're going to 478 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,840 continue to get control of the narrative. 479 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,360 They can mess that up quite badly. 480 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,400 But anyway, you get the point. She then went on to say that 481 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,720 member states have a responsibility to protect the 482 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,880 integrity of the United Nations as a source of trusted 483 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,120 information. And she then complained bitterly 484 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,600 about Russia claiming that Russia used the Security Council 485 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,840 as a platform for disinformation. 486 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,600 Well, has it? I don't think so. 487 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,600 They may have used the Security Council as a platform for 488 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,400 information that Britain doesn't want them to use it as a 489 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,360 platform for, but that's a different thing, she said. 490 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,040 We have a responsibility to tackle disinformation which 491 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,640 undermines the UN SCORE mission to protect peace and security 492 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,200 like Britain ever respected that idea. 493 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,400 And she said the UK will defend information integrity. 494 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,800 Our Online Safety Act requires companies to crack down on 495 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,800 illegal disinformation and remove harmful content from 496 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,440 their platforms. And you'll notice that this is 497 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,880 yet another instance where the idea of legal but harmful comes 498 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,160 right back again. So it's not just about removing 499 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,680 what they consider to be illegal content, but also content that 500 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,840 they find harmful to their particular narrative. 501 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,160 So she went on. We continue to work with our 502 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,960 closest allies, including through the G7 rapid response 503 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,320 mechanism. Now, remember, the G7 rapid 504 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,240 response mechanism was something which Theresa May brought in. 505 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,760 And the idea is that the G7 countries have a common 506 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,320 narrative which they then spread through their controlled 507 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,200 mainstream media outlets. And she said that this would be 508 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,880 used to to expose and disrupt foreign information operations 509 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,160 globally, but not just foreign information operations, also 510 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,480 anybody opposing their narratives in their own 511 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,240 countries. She said we must act to protect 512 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,720 independent journalism. By independent journalism, she 513 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,560 means mainstream journalism and this notion that it's somehow 514 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,160 still independent, which it isn't because it's totally 515 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,240 beholden to government money these days. 516 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,760 More journalists, she went on to say, were killed last year and 517 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,880 than in any other year since the Committee to protect Journalists 518 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,920 began collecting data, making it the deadliest record deadliest 519 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,440 year on record. Well, of course, the reason for 520 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,800 that is Israel, which she supports and arms at least her 521 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,240 the government she works for supports and arms. 522 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,480 And although she did mention Gaza in the next paragraph, that 523 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,400 doesn't change the the basic fact that she is quite happy to 524 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,600 ignore the fact that that she is helping with the killings of 525 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,800 those journalists she was talking about in the 1st place 526 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,480 by working for the the regime that that's doing it. 527 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,520 She she goes went on to say the UK remains a committed advocate 528 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,680 for journalists safety and protection as a Co founder for 529 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,960 the Immediate Freedom Coalition. So this is the Immediate Freedom 530 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,920 Coalition's website. It's a partnership of countries 531 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,280 working together to promote media freedom at home and 532 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,320 abroad. And again, if we just look at 533 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,320 the countries involved in this, it is this is all completely 534 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,560 Western aligned. It is just yet what another part 535 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,640 of the complex to control narratives and so on. 536 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,240 But not to let Russia off the hook necessarily here because to 537 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,320 be clear, it's not the case that Russia does no wrong. 538 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,080 And this tweet is definitely a disinformation of a kind because 539 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,080 this is Putin advisor Carol Dmitriev. 540 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,360 And he's not wrong in accusing the British regime of having a 541 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,080 desire to go after Elon Musk. He's nonetheless promoting the 542 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,360 whole civil war agenda in the UK with this tweet, which perhaps 543 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,000 they are not terribly unhappy to see that type of chaos in the 544 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,640 UK. We talk about more of that bit 545 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,360 more about that in Extra as well. 546 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,840 But just to finish off, since we've mentioned Elon Musk on 547 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,240 Wednesday, we're talking about the potential that he was going 548 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,000 to get a $1 trillion pay packet that has now apparently been 549 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,680 voted for with 75% of the shareholders voting for it. 550 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,600 So, Charles, I don't know what your thoughts are on that, but 551 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,640 you know, we were talking on Wednesday about the fact that 552 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,320 this is effectively putting a huge bung in the hands of 553 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,080 somebody who's going to use it for political purposes. 554 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,920 Well, absolutely. And, and really, it's not money 555 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,160 that he should be entitled to, I would put it, because of course, 556 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,880 the vast majority of those funds, wherever indeed they come 557 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,040 from, are either created out of thin air or indeed come from 558 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,000 taxpayer money through some channel or another. 559 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,000 But, but I think just to draw out of the shareholder meeting 560 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,400 the absolute absurdity of it is if it isn't absurd enough to be 561 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,000 suggesting that somebody should have a trillion dollars, we'll 562 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,720 just look at one of the absolute brain waves he's had about his 563 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:34,360 cars and do do, and actually right now the, you know, the 564 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:40,240 versions, you know, the cars are a little strict about keeping 565 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:46,080 your eyes on the road. And but I'm confident that in 566 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,680 the next month or two, we should we, we, we're going to look 567 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,000 closely at the safety statistics, but we will allow 568 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,640 you to text and drive essentially. 569 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:13,840 So. What could possibly go wrong? 570 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,640 I mean, my surprise really is the response to the audience. 571 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,680 I can't really see why everyone was quite so delighted. 572 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:25,720 Anyway, we'll just finish off by one of the stunts on the stage, 573 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,160 which was to produce a robot and make it dance. 574 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,120 Now, I don't know what dancing lessons cost these days, but 575 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,720 you'd think with a trillion dollars in your back pocket, you 576 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,080 might be able to do slightly better than Elon Musk is is 577 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,400 doing here. So I thought it'd be nice to 578 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,720 just just look at his his moves on screen. 579 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,120 But I mean, the whole thing is quite frankly ridiculous. 580 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,720 And I think, as though, you know, it is a serious subject in 581 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,520 in many respects, but I think it's entirely appropriate to 582 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,480 lampoon the more absurd elements of it. 583 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,920 Yes, thank you, Charles. OK, let's move on then to 584 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,840 international affairs again and and war, I suppose is the focus 585 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,400 of the next few minutes. But let's start, Mark, with the 586 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:16,719 passing of Dick Cheney. Yes, the globalism graveyard is 587 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,280 growing. Ladies and gentlemen, the 588 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,960 passing of Zubigny Burzynski and David Rockefeller, 2017, 589 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,840 subsequently, of course, Henry Kissinger, and now another dark 590 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,960 Lord, maybe somewhat comparable to Mr. Mandelson or Mr. Blair, 591 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,400 Dick Cheney has passed the architect of the post 911 592 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:39,199 response, the military hegemony of the United States. 593 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,560 And, of course, we're not dancing on his grave, but, you 594 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,320 know, condolences to his survivors and all that. 595 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,800 He, you know, is a human being. But he got himself into the 596 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,400 maelstrom of power and it's troubling legacy to reflect on. 597 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,600 On 9/11, Vice President Cheney, or was he actually president in 598 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,840 effect, was a central figure in coordinating the government's 599 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,360 immediate response from the White House's underground 600 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,080 command center. We'll recall in the aftermath he 601 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:10,480 became the primary architect of the US War on Terror, which 602 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,760 significantly expanded presidential power and US Intel 603 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,560 OPS. But Cheney gave the later 604 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,920 aborted shoot down order, notably of the fourth plane, 605 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,160 Flight 93, and his expansive view of presidential authority 606 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,200 was called the Unitary Executive Theory. 607 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,160 Of course, Flight 93 supposedly crashed into a relatively small 608 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,080 hole in Shanksville, PA, for which there was no wreckage, A 609 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,000 literal impossibility for a jet that size. 610 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,880 Moving on, we'll explain this a little further and reflect on 611 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,400 his torturous policies. Let's put this up there. 612 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,360 Along with legal counsel David Addington, Cheney emphasis was 613 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,000 instrumental in crafting policies that authorized harsh 614 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,560 interrogation methods, including waterboarding. 615 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,160 Lots of charges of torture at the time. 616 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,960 He consistently pushed intelligence agencies to link 617 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,960 Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda and WMDS to justify military action. 618 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,840 As you recall, guys. And while these claims were 619 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,600 later debunked, Cheney was a major force behind that military 620 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,400 action itself. And that was, of course, the US 621 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,520 invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. 622 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,480 Iraq was March of 2003, shock and awe, a terrible reign of 623 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,840 terror and bombing. Many, many priceless artifacts 624 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,040 were destroyed or disappeared. And Afghanistan became, at least 625 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,240 in time duration, America's longest war, with so little, at 626 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:39,960 least visibly, to show for it. Now, this next slide is just for 627 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,320 illustration. Fast forward to 2011, ten years 628 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,320 after 911, and Cheney and Rumsfeld appeared at the 629 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,160 Conservative Political Action Conference. 630 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,160 Washington. DCI just happened to be there 631 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,320 with my wife Angie, and we were photographing and covering the 632 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,080 event. And first of all, Dick Cheney 633 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,160 was introduced as a surprise guest at C PAC. 634 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,400 Now keep in mind that C PAC was where Ron Paul was still running 635 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,480 for president his second time. The first time was O 8. 636 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,640 The second time was 2012 and Ron Paul was winning or coming in 637 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,560 very well on the straw polls at the well known C PAC conference. 638 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,160 So there was a large Ron Paul contingent. 639 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,240 They're very constitutional, very skeptical of what happened 640 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,240 in 911 according to the government story. 641 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,240 So they introduced Cheney as a surprise guest, and he got as 642 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,240 many boos as he did. Cheers. 643 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,200 In other words, jeers and cheers. 644 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,960 But then Cheney gives the Defender of the Constitution 645 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,960 Award to another surprise guest, Donald Rumsfeld, another dark 646 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,960 character regarding 911. The place erupted into absolute 647 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,160 pandemonium. The Ron Paul people were so 648 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,680 livid they couldn't contain themselves and one guy was so 649 00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,280 angry and so beside himself that they had to escort him out. 650 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,520 At least they felt they did. So the Ron Paul people were 651 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,680 absolutely appalled at these kind of power brokers being 652 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,800 honored as defenders of the Constitution. 653 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,840 A very important personal story to share. 654 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,080 Now, Mr. Cheney has a story to share here too. 655 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,600 It's kind of self-explanatory. That same year, probably at that 656 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,320 same time, when he was in DC speaking to the Council on 657 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,200 Foreign Relations. In this case, let's listen to 658 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,240 what he had to say about his attitude toward Wyoming voters. 659 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:33,040 A quick background is Cheney was a House member before he was a 660 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,520 chief of staff under George the Dimmer, and he also served in 661 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,160 the Pentagon and other offices. So this is referring to when he 662 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,600 was a congressman. Let's go with this. 663 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,920 Well, Les, Pete, I want to thank you all for the warm welcome 664 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,960 today. I see a lot of old friends in 665 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,040 the room, and it's good to be back at the Council on Foreign 666 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,720 Relations. As Pete mentioned, I been a 667 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,960 member for a long time and was actually a director for some 668 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,440 period of time. I never mentioned that when I 669 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,000 was campaigning for re election back home in Wyoming. 670 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:12,360 But yeah, the Wyoming being a very conservative state and 671 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,840 pretty well informed, I'd say the voters were pretty keen on 672 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,400 his CFR involvement and not real happy about it. 673 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,080 But another power broker has gone to that think tank in the 674 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,240 sky, ladies and gentlemen. And so that that's enough for 675 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:26,600 now. We can, of course, reflect a 676 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,000 little more on extra if you'd like. 677 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,680 So back to you, Mike. Absolutely, thank you very much 678 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,920 for for that Mark. Now let's come back to Europe at 679 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,320 least. And well, the Franco British 680 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,160 defense relationship is strengthening in all areas of 681 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,280 cooperation, according to the French minister, the French war 682 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,040 minister, Sorry, Catherine. Ultra British warmonger John 683 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,040 Healey was in Norway on Wednesday for the latest meeting 684 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,360 of the so-called coalition of of the Willing. 685 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,960 And while he was there, he met with Votran. 686 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,400 And here they are on screen to sign what is described as a road 687 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,360 map that serves to make ever stronger interoperability 688 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,720 between our two armies within the framework of the Lancaster 689 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:08,160 House treaties. Now for anybody that doesn't 690 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,600 know. The Lancaster House treaties 691 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,360 were signed in 2010. It was almost the first thing, I 692 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,360 think it was actually literally the first thing that David 693 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,560 Cameron as Prime Minister and Nick Clegg as Deputy Prime 694 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,440 Minister did as in the coalition government. 695 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,080 And this brought the UK into bilateral defence pact with the 696 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,880 French for 50 years. And well, it's this is kind of 697 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,800 what it what it looks like. We've got the Lancaster House 698 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,560 treaties in 2010. These have now been upgraded in 699 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,680 the last day, but we've also got the 2018 Sandhurst Treaties and 700 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,320 I described this in this graphic as the Franco British war 701 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,160 machine. But of course this is only part 702 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:52,240 of the picture because that all forms 1/3 or one side of the 703 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:56,840 triangle between France, Germany and Britain, which is 704 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,000 effectively known these days as the E3. 705 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,000 And this is the key driver for European defence at the moment. 706 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,080 Now at the same meeting, Healy also met with the other nine 707 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,920 nations of the so-called coalition of the Willing and 708 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,400 they all signed an enhanced partnership with Ukraine. 709 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,200 Healy said that this was a clear signal to Putin. 710 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,600 Your aggression will be met with our strength. 711 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,680 So there you go. The meeting follows the 712 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,720 conclusion last week of the of Terrassus, which is the Joint 713 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,800 Expeditionary Force's largest and most significant military 714 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,360 activity in its 11 year history. They said. 715 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,920 After two months of intensive operations across the Nordic 716 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,120 Baltic region, EU KS leadership in the Joint Expeditionary Force 717 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,840 and the ability to rapidly deploy alongside allies if 718 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,760 needed makes Britain secure at home and strong abroad, 719 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,360 underpitting this government's plan for change. 720 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,520 Their their language is fantastic. 721 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:56,320 So anyway, that took place during September and October and 722 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,480 more than 1700 British personnel from all three branches of the 723 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:06,400 armed forces were taking part and it was involving, were 724 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,880 taking part across Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia 725 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,720 and the Baltic Sea. But good news everyone, because 726 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,400 Ajax is the world's first truly digital armoured fighting 727 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,440 vehicle. This is the British Army's new 728 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,840 armoured fighting vehicle and it's just achieved initial 729 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,000 operating capability. I'm going to ask Charles about 730 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,240 this in a second. It is the most advanced medium 731 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:34,480 weight armored vehicle in the world, they say. 732 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,320 So look, let's just get an idea from this little video clip. 733 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:46,560 What what that's all about. S #3 William, please. 734 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,360 Firstly, I know is when getting on the Ajax is just how easy it 735 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,640 makes it for you. The tech is just so much higher. 736 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,480 It's so much better than any other vehicle I've been on. 737 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,000 So there's a variety of sensors, visual otherwise all around the 738 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,840 vehicle that help you in the turret and ultimately just help 739 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,640 you be more lethal. Certain systems are incredible. 740 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,280 Being able to see up to 8 kilometers buys me so much time 741 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,000 as a commander to be able to look at what's in front of me 742 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,720 and gain a better assessment of what's actually in front of me 743 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:17,440 and. Pass that up. 744 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,600 So it's more accurate, more time to deliver that information as 745 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,400 well. Everyone feels informed because 746 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,880 they've all got good situational awareness given to us by the 747 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,400 sensors. And all that. 748 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,840 Information they can give to me allows me to do my job better. 749 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,680 So what do you think, Charles? I mean you talked about this was 750 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,040 a September last year. What are your thoughts? 751 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,720 Yeah, it was, well, I think it was September, October and the, 752 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,040 the thrust of that report was how incredibly beset by problems 753 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,640 this had been and how they'd covered it up. 754 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,960 And actually there was quite significant safety issues with 755 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,920 crew members from I think it was sound and indeed possibly even 756 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,120 radiation from within, within the vehicles. 757 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,640 Yeah, great. All very well until it breaks 758 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:00,960 and then you're absolutely stuffed. 759 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,800 And, and I think with any of these procurement projects, 760 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,960 particularly on armoured vehicles, by the time it 761 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,200 actually rolls into service and therefore full operating 762 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:15,520 capability, it's out of date. And so in, in effect, if you're 763 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,840 going to if you're going to move away from from analogue, which 764 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,760 is something that you can always hope to be able to fix in a, you 765 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,040 know, in a situation under pressure, you do not have that 766 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,080 luxury with digital, once it breaks, it breaks. 767 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,120 That is it. And I think this is the problem 768 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,880 with any, you know, whatever trials they've put it through, I 769 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,720 would be fairly sure they will not have received incoming 770 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,680 rounds onto those vehicles and then seeing how the kit works. 771 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,200 Absolutely, yes. I think that I think we could be 772 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,320 fairly sort of that. But finally, just on the war 773 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,280 front, I wanted to remind everyone what is driving the war 774 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,600 agenda because the mentality which is driving it is well 775 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,240 represented by Lindsey Graham. And let's just have a quick look 776 00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,520 at this comment that he made recently. 777 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,760 So I just want to say I feel good about the Republican Party. 778 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,840 I feel good about where we're going as a nation. 779 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,480 We're killing all the right people and we're cutting your 780 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:20,000 taxes. Killing all the right people and 781 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,960 cutting your taxes, you couldn't do better than that. 782 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,600 Now he went on to say that a coalition of Republicans, some 783 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,800 Baptists, some Jewish. We organize ourselves around 784 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,880 principles that we love and we cherish. 785 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,800 We love individual freedom. We love entrepreneurship, we 786 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,680 love capitalism, we love Israel, We love the idea of Israel. 787 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,440 We love the struggle they've been involved in. 788 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,600 We understand that Israel is a friend of America to the better 789 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,360 end. We understand that God blesses 790 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,720 those who bless Israel. Charles, very, very briefly. 791 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:52,080 This man, to my mind, is clearly ill, but so's actually quite a 792 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:58,040 lot of the United States. Well, I suppose I can't 793 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,840 necessarily back that up with any substantial evidence because 794 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,360 I'm not there and I haven't sort of been on a on a tour, but I 795 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,880 think it's it's a reasonable sort of position to take. 796 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,880 And actually, this is something that I would encourage people to 797 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,560 listen to the germ warfare banter session on because this 798 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,560 is we do, we do go into this to a certain extent insofar as the, 799 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,600 the adherence to an ideology is concerned. 800 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,320 And how, you know how he can stand up and believe at the same 801 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,040 time that he's Christian and that he's killing all the right 802 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,560 people. He's perfectly staggering. 803 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,000 But he's, he's not alone. He's absolutely not alone in 804 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,960 thinking that. No, indeed, indeed, no. 805 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:35,680 Let's come back to the UK then. And and farming and health and 806 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,000 food and so on. What? 807 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,760 What's been the latest developments around milk and 808 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,120 beef? Yeah, a number of things have 809 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,280 happened, as they tend to do at the same time, which makes it 810 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,360 interesting, not least because a year or so ago there was a lot 811 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,480 of fuss created over what was being described as a feed 812 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,560 additive, which was a designed as a methane suppressant called 813 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,560 Beauvaire. Now those concerns were well 814 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,320 articulated, but of course were described as being conspiracy 815 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,360 theories and propaganda and all the rest of it. 816 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,760 And we've now got Farmers Weekly this just this week saying that 817 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,920 the Beauvaire maker is defending their products after Danish 818 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,120 farmer fears. And that headline is backed up 819 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,720 by the The Nordic Times saying that a Danish farmer raises the 820 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,760 alarm and Beauvaire is making my cow sick. 821 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,000 Now, of course, the problem with anything like this is that 822 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,360 social media tends to go wild and it's very hard to understand 823 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,000 exactly what may or may not be going on. 824 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,840 So I got in touch directly with the Danish Veterinary and Food 825 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,880 Administration, but I must say responded almost immediately. 826 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,360 So my thanks to Mikkel and I hope hope that he can pass on to 827 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,240 Defra exactly how to deal with these sorts of things and that 828 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,480 that may trickle down to other British government departments. 829 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,640 But nonetheless, what they say in their statement in Denmark is 830 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,920 that we are very aware that some herd owners have reported 831 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,480 animals showing signs of illness after being fed with Beauvaire. 832 00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,760 So they're not denying it. They're not trying to squash the 833 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,760 story immediately. They say that they're monitoring 834 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,560 the situation. They then go on, of course, as 835 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,240 they would to say that the that the feed additive itself has 836 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,040 undergone a long and thorough approval process. 837 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,600 But they said that it was the agricultural sector that tested 838 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,800 Beauvera for an extended period before, and this is the critical 839 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,680 part, before it became mandatory to use methane reducing feed. 840 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,240 Now it should be noted that that that mandatory period only 841 00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:28,880 started in October. So this is very new news and 842 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,760 indeed the reaction to it, if indeed this is a reaction to it, 843 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,200 has of course taken place over a very short period of time. 844 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,040 And then they described the sector's own studies not showing 845 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,280 any signs that the cows became ill or experienced reduced 846 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,320 well-being. Well, I wonder why that might 847 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,040 be. And I don't mean to sound too 848 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,000 cynical, but the way in which these things work, whether it be 849 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,640 drugs for humans, feed additives for humans or I'm sorry for 850 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,680 animals, the process is ineffectively the same, which is 851 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,520 that the scrutiny is provided by the people who are standing to 852 00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,160 make money from it in the first place. 853 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,560 It's not a sensible, it's never going to produce a sensible 854 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,120 outcome. But the Food Administration have 855 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,360 commissioned a report which is going to be conducted by our 856 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,280 House university. And I think the other important 857 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,840 part to bring out here is that they do say the legislation 858 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,080 contains an exemption clause that has existed since the 859 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,200 beginning of the scheme. If the person responsible for 860 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,000 the herd assesses that a cow to show signs of metabolic 861 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,600 disorder, the cow may be exempted from feeding. 862 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,840 And effectively they go on in that vein saying that if your 863 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,240 whole, if you've got concerns about your whole herd, you are 864 00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:33,520 exempted. Now, I think it's a very 865 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,120 important point to make in that frankly, why, if those are the 866 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:40,520 potential outcomes, would farmers comply? 867 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,080 And that's where we go back to the exemption clause applying to 868 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,920 the person who's responsible for the herd. 869 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,000 Because I can't be certain speaking here now, whether that 870 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,160 means the person who is actually tending that herd every day or 871 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,200 whether there's a deal regarding a corporation, whether in fact 872 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:03,080 it's the corporation upon whose behalf that work is being done, 873 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,560 whether they maintain control of the herd and would therefore 874 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:12,080 refuse to stop the Beauver feed additive. 875 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,880 So, so there's a grey arrow. But but you know, things are 876 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,960 happening. Now, if this is news to you, 877 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,400 what I would recommend is that you go to the UK column website 878 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,800 and you look at Doctor Mike Williams's article from last 879 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,160 year talking about the insurance and outs of feed additive 880 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,760 itself. Is Beauver safe and effective? 881 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,720 And of course, what this all pertains to is methane. 882 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,480 So what a coincidence that just last week the Department for 883 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:38,760 Energy Security and Net Zero put out the UK Methane Action Plan. 884 00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:42,480 And the very first sentence I would say is on pretty shaky 885 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,800 ground, saying methane is a greenhouse gas that contributes 886 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,880 to global warming. And they put in this a graph 887 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,520 which they say illustrates the issue. 888 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,720 And if you if you are watching, you'll see that there's a yellow 889 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,640 strip at the top of the graph, which basically hasn't got any 890 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:06,080 smaller in quantity over the years that are documented in 891 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,640 fact saying that agriculture is responsible in the UK 48% of 892 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,800 emissions and therefore all agriculture is to be targeted in 893 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,200 order to be able to reduce this. Now again, going back to UK 894 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,080 column content that contextualises this. 895 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,120 Neil Harrison wrote a very, very good article this summer called 896 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,000 The Bison and the Bias. And there'll be links to all 897 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,560 this in the show notes. But Neil's point in summary is 898 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,160 that if hundreds of thousands and millions of wild animals 899 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,240 with essentially the same ruminant systems roamed the 900 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:41,600 earth centuries ago and more than why is it a problem to have 901 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,440 got rid of all those and have cows now? 902 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,320 So that but it obviously goes into a lot more detail. 903 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,240 So I really would encourage that you do have a look at that. 904 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,760 Now, what's this related to of course, the production of milk. 905 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,160 And I spoke about Blue tongue earlier in the week and the 906 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,840 withdrawal period for administering a drug and 907 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,400 essentially any harm that can come to people who might be 908 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,080 eating beef or indeed taking milk from cows that have 909 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,880 received both air. So here we go and look at BBC 910 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,880 Sport, who are in a terrible fluster because a very well 911 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,760 known Norwegian footballer who plays for Manchester City called 912 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,760 Erling Harland, it turns out he drinks raw milk. 913 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,400 And this has created great problems for BBC and indeed the 914 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,920 mainstream media. And they've parroted out the 915 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,400 Food Standard Agency, saying that, you know, harmful bacteria 916 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,920 and it's all deadly risk. And it's banned in Scotland and 917 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,760 it can only be sold at the farm gate and all the usual rhetoric 918 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,560 surrounding it. But the critical part is the man 919 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,760 himself. And we're just going to have a 920 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,600 quick look at a video of Harland going shopping. 921 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,080 I'm super happy. Have you got milk? 922 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:42,520 Yeah. Good do. 923 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:44,240 You know what? Else we've got beef, we've got 924 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,560 Tom Hawks. Now look at that. 925 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,960 So how many can I get? Because we need to be fair with 926 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,800 the others. Well, I have to say the 927 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,600 Tomahawks probably are a harder sell because they're a little 928 00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:02,880 bit more expensive, obviously. OK I'll I'll take them 3 then. 929 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,240 I like fatty steak the most. Rib eye tomahawk obviously. 930 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:10,280 One of my favorite is short ribs, the. 931 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,040 Milk. We need a little bit of this in 932 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,920 milk. Super food as well. 933 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,320 It's good for us. It's good for our stomach. 934 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,880 It's good for our skin, good for our bones and muscles. 935 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,560 That's why I drink it. Do you want honey? 936 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,560 Home 123. You want honey as well? 937 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,160 4 honey. I have it at home. 938 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,200 Yeah. So 4 honey. 939 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:32,920 Yeah. I'm super happy. 940 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,840 I expected only milk and we went out with a lot of steak. 941 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,040 Milk and honey. Perfect. 942 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,840 So not necessarily a classic piece of cinema, but the main 943 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,400 point of it is that he is a 25 year old with an enormous 944 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,040 following and that went out on his YouTube channel and it's 945 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,480 slightly too small to see but the he has over 700. 946 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,360 Sorry, over 800,000, nearly 900,000 followers on YouTube. 947 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,080 And that video has been viewed nearly 7,000,000 times, which 948 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,600 does create a problem for the establishment and that's 949 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,920 reinforced by data from Google Trends and you can see it well 950 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,320 released. If you can't see the screen, 951 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,200 there's a graph which shows the date of that video coming out 952 00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:19,520 23rd of October. And there's a massive spike in 953 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,360 searches for raw milk. Now, of course, the fundamental 954 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,400 problem with raw milk is that it enables the farmer, because of 955 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,200 the legislation, to have a direct relation with the 956 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,720 customer. And therefore it cuts out to a 957 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:34,320 large extent, Food Standards Agency. 958 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,640 It cuts out Defra, it cuts out subsidy and it cuts out all the 959 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:42,040 elements of control that were put in place in order to manage 960 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,000 the farming sector. And this is exactly why milk 961 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,200 pasteurisation was pushed quite so hard. 962 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,960 So it'll be no great surprise to learn that in the very long 963 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,080 career that the third Lord Rothschild had in the House of 964 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,000 Lords, he only spoke on 2 occasions. 1 was about Palestine 965 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,840 and the other was about raw milk and the dangers of 966 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,720 pasteurisation. I've just pulled out a very 967 00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:07,640 small quote from a long speech he gave in 1946 about this, 968 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,200 saying that he was referring to the opponents of pasteurisation 969 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,520 and many people who have fallen victims to their propaganda. 970 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,960 How very ironic. And I just finish off by saying 971 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,400 if you if this is something you want to know more about and do 972 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,520 look at the excellent interview with John Cook from a couple of 973 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,240 years ago called Raw Truth, Unadul, Unadulterated Milk and 974 00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:29,920 Food Security. And I just round off by saying 975 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,600 I'm actually off to see John this afternoon to pick up a job. 976 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,360 Lot of raw milk. A job lot? 977 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,160 I don't think so. Thank you very much, Charles. 978 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,840 Thank you for that. Right. 979 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,760 But let's come back to you, Mark, and we'll end then with 980 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,440 the latest fair porn from the various health establishments 981 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:53,120 with respect to M Pox. Yes, Mike, you were talking 982 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,680 earlier about Xi Jinping and the Global Governance Initiative 983 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,520 maybe being sort of disingenuous, contradicting 984 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,640 China's policies. Well, we see some of that dodgy 985 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,640 stuff going on here now. Here's a recent headline, 28 986 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,840 October Daily Mail urgent warning over rising deadlier 987 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:15,520 impacts cases in Europe and US as UK officials fear the virus 988 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,400 may be spreading undetected. So people might not be showing 989 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,800 symptoms and it's going past from one person to another and 990 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,920 not being detected. But here's the BBCA day earlier. 991 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,040 What is mpox and why are cases rising in Europe now? 992 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,520 This is a little bit maybe lesser known. 993 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,960 UK health officials are encouraging gay, bisexual and 994 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,920 other men who have sex with men to make sure they are vaccinated 995 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:45,040 against mpox, as a strain called clade 1B shows early signs of 996 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,280 local spread in some European countries. 997 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,440 This sexual component to this maybe isn't so widely known. 998 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,240 I'm saying the UK Health Security Agency is aware of 999 00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:58,640 small numbers of cases of this impact strain formerly called 1000 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,800 monkey pox in Spain, Italy, Portugal, Netherlands and the 1001 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,480 US. So that's sort of the nature of 1002 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,360 it. They're saying even though Auk 1003 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,160 column, we question the nature or even existence of viruses at 1004 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,240 times. Now when you get to The Who, 1005 00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:14,760 that's when things get interesting. 1006 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:19,720 This next slide, The Who has rescinded the public health 1007 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,960 emergency of international concern about M pox. 1008 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,600 The bottom slide we've seen before on the column, that's 1009 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,760 from August of 2024 when The Who Director General Tadros declared 1010 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,200 M pox outbreak a public health emergency of international 1011 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,440 concern. That's the level they need to 1012 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,520 get to before they can declare A pandemic or as they declare A 1013 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,600 pandemic. Now, one, one other thing on 1014 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:47,800 that slide, Mike, the the top part of that says, however, that 1015 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,360 the extension of standing recommendations for impacts were 1016 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,360 subsequently issued by the Director general of WHO. 1017 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,400 So in other words, they rescinded the public health 1018 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,160 emergency of international concern and they're sticking 1019 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,400 with the previous standing recommendations. 1020 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,360 So it sounds like they're backing down, but are they now? 1021 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:14,640 James Raguski had this to say. The pandemic agreement, the 1022 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,960 pandemic agreement negotiations, he calls it the pandemic 1023 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:24,640 agreement BS or PABS, which actually stands for something 1024 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,960 else. The negotiations held Monday and 1025 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,840 Tuesday, that's this past Monday and Tuesday only reinforced 1026 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,320 what's always, always been abundantly clear. 1027 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,800 These negotiations are not about health. 1028 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,640 They are about money and profits. 1029 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,080 And when I looked at the document that rescinded that 1030 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,960 public health emergency and read through it and it was quite 1031 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,680 long, it showed that even though they've rescinded that public 1032 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,240 health emergency declaration, they're actually pushing very 1033 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,160 hard to get all the vaccine delivery systems in place and 1034 00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,360 all the infrastructure. So when a pandemic is declared, 1035 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,280 they can get the vaccines, the mRNA injections, whatever they 1036 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,960 want to any country they want pretty much. 1037 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,920 So while they while The Who seems to be backing down, 1038 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,640 they're putting the infrastructure in place for 1039 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,600 maximum profits, like Mr. Raguski is saying, Mike. 1040 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,480 And then that last slide was just the a really reiteration of 1041 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,760 the upcoming schedule. It shows the the upcoming 1042 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,760 meetings of the working group and let's just show that real 1043 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,160 quick. The N3 through 7, the 1044 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,600 international government intergovernmental working group 1045 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,720 agenda just got done with that part of it. 1046 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,560 Then they'll meet early December, middle February, 1047 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,720 latter March, and finally the 79th World Health Assembly in 1048 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,600 Geneva in May. And they still have not actually 1049 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,080 ratified or put into force the pandemic treaty. 1050 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,440 Like I've said, they're trying to make it look like it's 1051 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,360 adopted and enforce or almost enforce and it's not. 1052 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,760 So not all, not all hope is lost in terms of preventing another 1053 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,080 pandemic, but they are trying to put the infrastructure in place 1054 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,080 while they seem to be backing down or toning it down. 1055 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,320 So again, it requires total vigilance here. 1056 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,760 So back to you. Thank you. 1057 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,200 Thank you, Mark. Thank you for that. 1058 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,400 And look, we'll just end on a on a slightly humorous note now I'm 1059 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,960 going to say I'm not entirely certain whether this is AI 1060 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,800 generator or not. I don't think it matters. 1061 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,960 It, it, it makes an interesting point. 1062 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,920 And and so we should just enjoy the, the humour in it. 1063 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,560 But this is Ursula von der Leyen. 1064 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,280 Well, it, it should be reasonably self-explanatory for, 1065 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,560 for people that are just listening. 1066 01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,920 Well, I'll just mention what happens in it afterwards, but 1067 01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,040 let's watch this first. Thank. 1068 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:44,400 You. Thank you very much for 1069 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,320 receiving me and first of all to those who scream and yell, hear 1070 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:54,480 so loud they can be happy that they are in a free country like 1071 01:00:54,480 --> 01:01:00,200 Finland where the free speech is a right where they have not any 1072 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,160 restriction. If they would be in Moscow, they 1073 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:07,120 would be in jail in 2 minutes. Thanks God we have democracy. 1074 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,840 So Charles I just by saying I hope that's real because as the 1075 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,120 guy gets frogged, frog March off off by the police as she's 1076 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,160 talking about freedom of speech. I just thought that was 1077 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,120 beautiful. Absolutely priceless. 1078 01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,760 What a great note to end on. Yeah, absolutely. 1079 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,760 OK. Well, look, Charles, Mark, thank 1080 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,480 you very much for today and thanks to everybody that's 1081 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,920 watched. We will be back in a few minutes 1082 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,920 time for some UK column news extra. 1083 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,520 If you're a member, please stick on the live stream and, and 1084 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,920 we'll have we'll we'll see you there. 1085 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,080 If you're not a member, please consider joining and joining us 1086 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,760 for extra each time we do a news programme. 1087 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,760 But in the meantime, don't forget Germ tonight at 7:00 PM 1088 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,760 Cars at 9:00. We'll be back on Monday, 1:00 1089 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,080 PM. As usual, have a great weekend 1090 01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:59,560 and we'll see you then. Bye bye.