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I am very pleased to have Sam 
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we're going to do Part 2 of the 
talk through as what happened to

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Sam, she was trafficked and then
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when she had reached the 
sanctuary of the United Kingdom,

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the next thing that happened to 
her was that her two children 

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were taken away from her by 
social services through the 

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family court system. 
And of course this is a subject 

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which UK Column has talked about
on many occasions for many 

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different families. 
But Sam's own story had a 

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particular nuance to it, 
particular emotional aspect, 

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because of course, she'd been 
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trafficking system. 
She'd then been accepted into 

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the safety and care of the 
United Kingdom, and when she was

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in this country, feeling she was
safe, those children were taken.

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Now, Sam, I know one of the 
issues that you want to talk, 

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talk about in more detail is how
the system works in order to 

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take the children. 
And I I'm going to say to you, 

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the aim is for you to be able to
tell our audience what, what has

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happened to you and what you've 
experienced. 

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So you start the story again 
where you'd like to. 

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Thank you so much, Brian. 
Thank you to our UK column, 

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listeners and viewers and 
everyone else who has watched my

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story up to now and for all the 
support. 

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Thank you so much. 
I really appreciate it. 

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So we're going to talk about the
system, how it works, and how it

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targets vulnerable parents 
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regardless, regardless of race 
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As long as they can sniff any 
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they will come for your 
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Which is really a shame because 
I voluntarily contacted Salford 

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City Council for support, which 
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But they started sexualizing me,
profiling me and victimizing me,

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and then snatched my children up
to today with the help of Kafkas

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the Independent. 
They they call themselves 

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independent. 
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that? 
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The idea of Kafkas supposedly is
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best interests of the children. 
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make sure everything is done in 
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children. 
So Kafkas are not there in the 

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first instance to support mother
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They're that to support the 
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Well, that's what they say. 
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to what they say, because 
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social engineering, they're part
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children. 
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certain, because it's not only 
my children, but so many other 

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mothers who who are in 
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especially in the northwest of 
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children away from parents every
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secrecy. 
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Mother goes into, say, the GP, 
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The GP then makes a referral to 
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And then it all starts from 
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Sometimes mothers are struggling
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struggling at home with a few 
things and once the referral 

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goes in, that's it, your 
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This is this is continuing every
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Sometimes the referral is 
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their mother doesn't want, say, 
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treated at school or the way 
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Brian UK column has published 
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around sexualising children. 
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concerning about the curriculum 
today, about sexualising 

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children, that mother is 
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next thing is a referral is made
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children, saying there is a risk
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mother didn't agree with what 
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those children's heads. 
That is clearly true and I think

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this is one of the the important
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audience that the initial 
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or a father or indeed the 
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engagement can be very slight. 
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said in AGP surgery. 
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feeling down and a bit depressed
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difficult to cope. 
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reasonable thing for somebody to
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the GP who then because they 
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because they're told protecting 
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responsibility. 
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to social services and then once
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you'll you are locked. 
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process, you're locked into a 
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So the initial action by the 
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They might have just said 
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cases where of course the 
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I'll say the mother, because the
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mother. 
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where she couldn't cope with 
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She asked for help from social 
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Could they provide support for a
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better? 
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But what then took place was 
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social services refused to 
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with the mother and the child, 
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child. 
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for people to understand. 
It's very common. 

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It's really very common because 
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longer about taking children 
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As a person, as a woman who has 
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I see so many traits around 
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this is child trafficking. 
It's no longer about social 

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services snatching children with
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This is absolute child 
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And I can say that with 
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so much secrecy in the family 
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The media barely reports about 
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away from parents on a daily 
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You see, it's so much it's it's 
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It's a big secret. 
No one talks about it. 

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In the United Kingdom, if I 
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someone that my children were 
snatched away from me, the first

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thing they would think you must 
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the children. 
I can tell you for certain, I 

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never did anything to my 
children. 

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I never hurt or harm my 
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I love my children dearly. 
I'll never do that to my 

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children. 
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support from adults who were 
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Kingdom because the culture I 
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different from here. 
And that's all I ever needed. 

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But I can tell you for certain 
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told the public, by the time we 
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is that they've done something 
horrific. 

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No, they don't. 
Most parents don't. 

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Most parents don't. 
It's always a risk. 

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It's a Christopher that they 
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hearsay is accepted in family 
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family courts, speculations are 
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assumptions are acceptable and 
if you challenge them, they will

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say you're antagonistic. 
You're terrible. 

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Just to reinforce the point, 
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courts existed, but I had no 
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And it wasn't until I was able 
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acting as a Mackenzie friend, 
which I've actually done on a 

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number of occasions. 
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allowed me to see for myself 
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and to experience the whole 
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I have always found to be very 
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anybody who's there. 
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understand, and mums and dads 
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is that the courts are secret. 
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press access. 
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press have been allowed in, in a
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But invariably, the moment 
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them that they're under special 
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usually tell the journalists 
what they can and cannot report.

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But the key point is that there 
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There's no members of the 
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there's no jury. 
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They are star chambers where one
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children away from parents and 
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individuals who ultimately will 
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parents. 
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courts is, is it just 
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And the fact that there's no 
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exceptionally dangerous places? 
For me, I say that alleged 

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criminals in the United Kingdom 
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children or children's fate or a
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to the jury. 
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They can talk about their cases.
You know, they can go on social 

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media and talk about these 
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But in most cases, families have
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things. 
And they're talking about ethics

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and governance and transparency 
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But you never hear the family 
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Is it not an arm of the 
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Are we not supposed to know 
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Why is the why? 
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Why are they hiding away from 
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What is it that they're hiding? 
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protecting the identity of 
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I beg to differ because they 
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different newspapers and these 
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It's not that it's a big secret.
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for sale. 
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annum, you had access to these 
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So the the whole idea that 
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does not make sense anymore. 
This is heinous, this is 

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sinister. 
They're abusing families. 

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They're destroying families 
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The family court needs to 
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Social services needs to change.
But above all, Kafka's is is the

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one at the at the core of all 
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to be independent and they're 
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They're not, because they're 
enabling the the destruction and

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ripping families apart. 
Sam, let me just add add a bit 

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to that. 
The first thing I wanted to say 

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is when when you say what is the
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reasonably intelligent. 
I think I've got some common 

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sense. 
I think I'm quite experienced in

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life now, being the age I am and
I've done some professional 

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jobs. 
When I apply my brain to the 

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family court system, you you've 
used the word trafficking, which

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I totally agree with. 
What what is actually happening 

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is children are being taken and 
moved through a system which is 

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equivalent to trafficking in my 
personal opinion. 

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But also we've got to consider 
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Now you've indicated sums of 
money that a family might be 

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expected to have in order to 
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fostering or adoption. 
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money is that the moment anybody
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benefit financially from it. 
So if we take a family court 

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case, every barrister or 
solicitor that gets involved 

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with that case earns money and 
the longer the family court 

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hearing is drawn out, the more 
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Then the local authority will 
invariably bring in other 

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professionals, psychiatrists or 
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psychologists or behavioural 
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And each one of those, in order 
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local authority will be paid 
usually many thousands of 

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pounds. 
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professionals who will also be 
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So if you look at a basic family
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on the simplest of cases, 
probably about 1/4 of £1,000,000

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will change hands around that 
case. 

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The fees of the judges, the fees
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solicitors, the experts. 
And if you Add all this up, 

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you're dealing huge sums of 
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And that's even before the 
child, the child goes into a 

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network where other sums of 
monies can apply. 

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Children equate to money. 
Would you agree with that? 

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Yes, 100%. 
I would agree with that because 

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I when I was doing my research 
in this whole trafficking 

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rocket, I realised the adoption 
agencies apart of their 

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directors and shareholders are 
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You can clearly see there is a 
conflict of interest as to why 

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they want these children 
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But also, I looked at their 
annual reports and you could see

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that a child who boards out the 
amount of money. 

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But then we asked ourselves, as 
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It's on their annual reports. 

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Where do they take the children,
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Are they giving them to some 
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Why would Children Board out 
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It's all there. 
It's all clear. 

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You know, we're thinking they're
sexualizing our children. 

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And I can tell you that for 
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who has gone through foster 
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broken and traumatised. 
Why, If the state is the best 

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parent for our children, the old
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them by the fruits they bear. 
Most children who who've gone 

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through foster care are broken. 
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If they're saying they're taking
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parents and they are giving them
these perfect homes and perfect 

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places, why then, when children 
are adults, are all broken and 

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traumatised and psychologically 
damaged, They can barely 

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function, some of them because 
of the abuse they've endured for

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years and no one talks about 
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Yes, this is getting to the to 
the heart of the matter. 

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Now there's going to be a video 
played out on the UK Column 

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network and that will be an 
interview, excuse me, with a 

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very experienced social worker 
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And Emma describes what happened
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authorities. 
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fact that in her professional 
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within a care facility. 
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doubt to many of our viewers 
will be unbelievable. 

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Because she went from being the 
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about child abuse to being 
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and victimized herself for 
stepping forward to put out that

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warning. 
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really start to grip the what's 
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proper professionals inside the 
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are warning that the children 
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facilities and their warnings 
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actions, then we've got we've 
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captures the children, but it 
can then abuse children within 

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its care facilities. 
I'm putting a little parenthesis

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around that that expression. 
This is trafficking and abusive 

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system. 
Sorry, trafficking and abuse of 

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children being run through the 
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there to protect children. 
Absolutely, 100%. 

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And I look forward to watching 
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workers, the the social worker 
who is talking about this 

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because it would be fascinating 
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There is a lot of deflecting. 
There is a lot of dismissiveness

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when you talk about child abuse 
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I can give you an example of my 
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When I started talking about 
today's on social media, 

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Manchester City Council blocked 
me on social media. 

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Salford City Council blocked me 
on social media. 

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These are councils. 
These are not someone's personal

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accounts, you see. 
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They're supposed to be highly 
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diverse and inclusive on black, 
so they should be very welcoming

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of a different opinion. 
But they blocked me and they 

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don't only block you or on on 
social media. 

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They took me to a mental health 
unit and locked me there. 

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When I talked, talked about this
and I said, this is a syndicated

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rocket of child trafficking. 
What you're doing, it's not just

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snatching children away from 
parents, You're actually running

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a rocket through family courts 
by judges who are aware of 

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what's going on. 
They're conflicted beyond words 

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and they they're allowing this 
to happen. 

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They're allowing this to happen 
under gagging orders. 

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How many children are snatched 
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last five years? 
How many children were snatched 

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away from Chelsea in the last 
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How many children were snatched 
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the last five years? 
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demographics and then you you 
flip the coin and say how many 

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children were snatched away from
Salford City Council, from 

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Wales, from northern Scotland, 
from Pembrokeshire, from 

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Hampshire. 
How many children were snatched 

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away from all these islands from
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They're targeting families who 
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are economically strained, who 
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They're targeting immigrant 
families who do not know how the

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system operates. 
They're targeting families who 

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are vulnerable. 
This is no longer about 

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safeguarding children. 
Not at all. 

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It's about selling children for 
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The number of children who were 
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COVID-19? 
The numbers are scary. 

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The state cannot protect every 
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That means the state knew about 
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needed to be in to care for 
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saying or any danger, anything 
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Social workers need to protect 
children. 

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That means the state was aware 
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happening because if they they 
can anticipate every single risk

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in the future to snatch our 
children away, then they mean it

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means they know what harm is is 
about to happen. 

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I think, well, that's my way of 
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I don't know what you think, 

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Brian, but that's what I think 
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And I'm also very concerned 
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scary. 
It really is because judges are 

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supposed to be independent, but 
they will never say the truth. 

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They were. 
Most of them are siding with 

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social workers on Kafka's and 
just rubber stamping whatever 

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the the local authority wants. 
Whatever they want, they'll just

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agree with it. 
Well, what would I like to add 

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to that? 
Just another remark on what the 

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system is. 
We we are describing what we 

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believe is a, a trafficking 
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But a man I'd like to mention 

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wrote a book and what is his 
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It's called Gulag of the Family 
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So he's equating the family 
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Kingdom to the gulags in the 
Soviet Union. 

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And obviously that's a very 
powerful title. 

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And he chose it because, in his 
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hold of you, it could draw you 
in through an income, through an

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increasingly onerous, draconian 
system where if you fought and 

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really fought for your children,
you would certainly be labeled 

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as mentally ill. 
That's what they do. 

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They certainly will then take 
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say, a mother gets to the stage 
where she is terrified that her 

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children are going to be taken 
away, she will do virtually 

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anything to protect those 
children. 

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And if she gets shouty or what's
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that label of mental health 
problems can then be taken to 

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the the, the mother or the 
parents even are put in 

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psychiatric facility. 
So I'm not surprised that you're

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saying that when you started to 
challenge the system, that's 

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what's happened to you, because 
this has happened to many other 

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people. 
You can still get his book and 

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I'd encourage people to read it,
But think about that title gulag

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of the family courts. 
And the other bit I want to pick

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up on is, is the value of 
children and who handles 

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children? 
Many years ago I was very 

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interested to discover that 
there was a an adoption. 

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I'm going to call it a fair in 
Plymouth, where? 

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In the local Guild hall, the 
adoption agency. 

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So this was local social 
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help of the BBC, had set up 
desks and if people were 

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interested in adoption, you 
could come into this area with 

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lots of wonderful brochures and 
pictures of children and you 

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could talk to professionals 
about how you could adopt A 

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child. 
I went into that venue and I 

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asked some of the people very 
nicely how they could be sure 

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that the children had been taken
away from their parents 

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voluntarily and they did not 
want to talk to me. 

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In fact, they ultimately called 
security and I was asked to 

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leave. 
Sometime later I was able to get

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in touch with the BBC consultant
who was a lady, to say what due 

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diligence had she done in order 
to ascertain that the children 

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being offered for adoption had 
been taken with the full consent

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of the parents. 
And she went very quiet. 

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And I'm going to be fair to her 
in as much as I can't say she 

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was complicit in what was going 
on. 

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So clearly it had never 
considered, she'd never 

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considered the fact that the 
children might only be available

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for adoption because they'd 
literally been wrenched away 

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from the parents. 
So that's my second point and 

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I'll just add a third one if I 
may, about the failure of the UK

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state to protect children. 
Absolutely no doubt that the 

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children are being abused in 
care. 

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But let's remember a little 
while ago the government was 

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happy to say that over 400 
Syrian children that had been 

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accepted into UK for safety from
the conflict in Syria, the 

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government casually said those 
400 children had disappeared. 

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This was reported publicly and 
we never did hear what had 

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happened to those children. 
We never did see that there was 

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any investigation that took 
place to find those children. 

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They simply disappeared. 
Thank you so much, Brian, for 

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that. 
It's really heart ranging and 

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heartbreaking to see that our 
beautiful country, the United 

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Kingdom, all these things are 
going on underneath and it's not

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exaggerated numbers. 
These are experiences that are 

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happening every single day. 
And yes, BBC is still glossing 

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up adoption. 
First adoptions every day there.

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I wrote something about this on 
social media where I was calling

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out the BBC and telling them why
do you gloss up adoptions and 

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over advertising adoptions. 
I'm not anti adoption. 

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Adoption is beautiful. 
If it's consented and ethical, 

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you know it's a beautiful gift 
to to someone and to a child 

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where where they're going to be 
raised in a very happy, loving 

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home if it's consented and 
ethical. 

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But where there was coercing, 
manipulation, clear social 

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engineering, and targeting and 
profiling families, it's 

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heinous, it's evil and it's 
wicked. 

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And this is what's happening in 
the United Kingdom today, in 

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2023, and it's been going on for
years, for years. 

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Parents are shattered. 
They can barely speak about it. 

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Some of them are coping with 
drugs. 

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Some of them are highly 
medicated, some somewhere locked

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up in mental units, and they 
will never come out because they

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spoke out or tried to or tried 
to defend themselves. 

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Some of them are filled with 
shame and guilt. 

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Well, I won't be filled with 
shame and guilt because I didn't

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do nothing to my loving 
children. 

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I love them dearly and that's 
all I will ever do. 

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And I will fight till my last 
day because what they've done is

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evil. 
I survived trafficking and I 

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Will Survive this too. 
You will not traffic my children

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and you have to bring them back.
These are my children. 

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I love them anyway. 
Sorry, Brian, for going on 

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there. 
Not at all. 

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This is, this is, this is a very
emotional subject and it should 

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be. 
This is this is about families 

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and it's about children and it's
about families being destroyed. 

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So don't, don't apologise for 
being emotional about it, Sam. 

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This is this is the heart of the
story. 

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Yes. 
I wanted to take you back about 

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what happened to me when I was 
going in the hospital and giving

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birth because it's the latest 
trauma of enduring lately. 

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You know, I've had several 
events over the years of 

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enduring different things, but 
this one got me off guard 

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because I didn't realise that 
beautiful people in the United 

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Kingdom could do this, 
especially the so-called 

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professionals. 
So what happens for a mother 

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when they're going through 
family courts? 

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Well, social services who have 
taken your child will give you a

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lawyer that they've worked with 
over the years. 

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For me, they gave me blisters. 
The lady who was representing me

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at the time, she turned up in 
court and I said, oh, I didn't 

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know I had a lawyer. 
And she said yes, yeah, sure, 

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sure, work. 
I got you a lawyer and it's me. 

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I'm the one representing you. 
Look, you're emotional because 

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they've just snatched your child
away from the nursery where you 

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paid for, for your baby to be in
this nursery. 

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It's a private nursery. 
I turn up at court and this 

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lawyer is there. 
And she said the best way to go 

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about this is for you to accept 
everything social workers are 

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saying, so you can have your 
child at home. 

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And I said, really is, is that 
all? 

461
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,680
And she said, yes, just say yes 
to everything they say. 

462
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,240
If they say was their domestic 
violence, say yes. 

463
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,920
So you can have your child. 
Do you struggle mentally? 

464
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,120
Yes. 
Just accept everything. 

465
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,040
Well, I was naive. 
I was an African girl who didn't

466
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,360
know anything. 
I thought, first of all, in 

467
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,280
Africa you're raised that adults
do not tell lies. 

468
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,640
I'm sorry, we are naive, some of
us. 

469
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,640
And second of all, if someone is
in the power of authority, you 

470
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,760
have to respect to them. 
Well, the lawyer. 

471
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,000
What a beautiful sword. 
And all I did in my early 20s 

472
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,680
was to respect whatever she 
said. 

473
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,760
Well, she had the best interest 
for me and for my children. 

474
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,120
I'm so sorry, Brian. 
Oh dear Lord. 

475
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,840
Well, let let me just add a bit.
Well, why don't you, why don't 

476
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,960
you compose yourself a bit? 
Because what what you've just 

477
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:52,160
told the audience, I I can I can
back up in so many cases that 

478
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,440
mums. 
Because most of them are mums 

479
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,800
that that I've dealt with with 
family court cases. 

480
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,600
The fundamental message about 
the legal system is don't trust 

481
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,800
the legal teams, even solicitors
which they've obtained 

482
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,320
themselves. 
So not a person that's been 

483
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,800
recommended by social services 
or the local authority, but as 

484
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,200
solicitor the the mother or 
father has gone out and found 

485
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,800
themselves. 
One of the things they describe 

486
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,280
is that first of all it was all 
OK. 

487
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,560
The solicitor seemed to be 
working for them but when they 

488
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:35,560
got to a critical hearing in the
court, the solicitor completely 

489
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,720
betrayed them and said all sorts
of things that they hadn't 

490
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:44,440
agreed with the mum and the dad 
and and what they describe is 

491
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,200
the fact that ultimately the 
allegiance of the legal teams is

492
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,160
to the court, it's not to the 
mum and dad as their client. 

493
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,720
That's right. 
That's absolutely right. 

494
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:01,760
They're they're working for the 
family call they liaise with a 

495
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,920
judge behind the scenes they 
liaise with social services 

496
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:12,160
behind the scene and and as 
parents in the 20 in the 21st 

497
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,640
century we have to to upgrade on
finding out what really happened

498
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,960
to our children. 
And I can tell you for certain 

499
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,640
that my lawyers who were accuses
Queen's council now King's 

500
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:30,040
council we're we're advising 
social services behind the 

501
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,640
scenes yet we paid them 
privately thousands and 

502
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,880
thousands of pound. 
My ex paid What I'm saying is 

503
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,920
the truth and nothing but the 
truth, and I do not mind. 

504
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:46,480
We we can still get the meat of 
this story out without actually 

505
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,160
mentioning the individual's 
name. 

506
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:55,680
They were actually advising the 
other side, yet we paid them 

507
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,960
behind the scenes and we have 
confirmation and evidence of 

508
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,400
everything I'm saying to you 
today, not it's not just 

509
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,840
hearsay, it's not speculation, 
it's there. 

510
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,400
All the data points are there. 
We had to do a few things, 

511
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,840
unorthodox like they do because 
these are our children, these 

512
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,960
are not our neighbours children,
these are not some someone 

513
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,320
else's children. 
We had to do a bit more. 

514
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,880
What can I add to that? 
Well of course money is an 

515
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:28,480
important issue for the legal 
teams, and a clear tactic seems 

516
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,920
to be that if enough money can 
be drawn out, sucked away from a

517
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,040
family that they end up with no 
more money to pay the legal 

518
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,480
teams. 
This of course automatically 

519
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,600
places the parents in a weakened
position. 

520
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,800
So one of the tactics that is 
obvious in a number of cases is 

521
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,360
that the cases are drawn out so 
that the fees accrued with the 

522
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,200
legal teams continue to grow to 
the point that people run out of

523
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,760
their savings. 
They can't pay these fees 

524
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,080
anymore. 
But this isn't a problem for the

525
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,800
legal teams, because then they 
can simply swap mum and dad 

526
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:14,520
across to legal aid and they can
then get their fees paid via the

527
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,040
public purse. 
So the legal teams never lose. 

528
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,480
And the longer the cases can be 
drawn out, the more money 

529
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,720
they're going to make. 
Yes. 

530
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,640
Oh my God, Brian. 
This is a very emotional topic 

531
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,880
for me, particularly because I 
see it as if it's just happened 

532
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,640
to them. 
You know, I, I or you know when 

533
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:45,120
you grow up in Africa, we watch 
BBC, you see, we we see the best

534
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,120
of Great Britain every single 
day. 

535
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,920
You never, you never in a 
million times in a million 

536
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,960
years. 
You would never think there is 

537
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,680
child snatching happening in 
Great Britain, a country so 

538
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,480
beautiful that everyone desires 
to come and live here. 

539
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,520
But I just like I said in my 
last interview that this is, 

540
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:12,320
this is not just my family, it's
other people's families that's 

541
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,639
this is going on. 
Anyway, I just wanted to remind 

542
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:17,920
you about how they snatched my 
son. 

543
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:25,360
So I my doctors told me as a 
black woman that I'm more likely

544
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:31,360
to have Type 2 diabetes. 
I laugh about that a little bit 

545
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,639
because most of the things are 
so they they they're shocking 

546
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,520
because they make up things and 
because they wear the 

547
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,000
professional pass and a few 
titles. 

548
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,360
You think they're telling the 
truth now. 

549
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,800
Then they told me I might 
develop diabetes during my 

550
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,600
pregnancy. 
I needed to come in a little bit

551
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,320
more so that they can monitor me
during my pregnancy. 

552
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,720
This was another lie. 
So I turned up in in the 

553
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,160
hospital three to four times a 
week. 

554
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,720
They told my they told me my son
was so small that he if I 

555
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:13,160
didn't, if they didn't take him 
out as soon as possible, he will

556
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,720
die. 
This was in Countess of Chester 

557
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:20,080
Hospital where Lucy Littleby was
operating. 

558
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,160
I don't know whether you 
remember the child killer. 

559
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,760
That's where I gave birth in 
that hospital. 

560
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,600
I went in in the hospital. 
The social workers were liaising

561
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,720
with the counties of Chester 
Hospital. 

562
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,320
We've now got all the reports 
clearly showing that they were 

563
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,320
talking behind the scenes. 
The judge was waiting for the 

564
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,920
child to be born and they set up
the date for me. 

565
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,840
My son was born prematurely, 
prematurely, because these 

566
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,480
monsters wanted to steal my son.
I'm so sorry. 

567
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,920
They wanted to steal my son and 
they lied to me. 

568
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,000
They said my son was going to 
die if I didn't, if they didn't 

569
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,720
cut him out immediately. 
But it was a lie. 

570
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,960
My son was born perfect health. 
Nothing was wrong with him. 

571
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,120
Everything is well documented. 
There was nothing wrong with 

572
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,960
him. 
So I asked the doctor, so why 

573
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,520
did you hastily cut him out? 
And the video shows where we 

574
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,920
recorded them, the nurse clearly
saying, oh, we thought he was 

575
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,720
small. 
So it was just a thought that 

576
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:33,720
you ruined my child, his life 
because you thought and you did 

577
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,760
all these scans and reports and 
submitted them to court and 

578
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,280
said, oh, the baby's too small, 
we needed to cut him out. 

579
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,800
And these are supposed to be 
doctors. 

580
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,120
Well, they said they're taking 
the child away from me because 

581
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,000
there is they might be a risk of
harm. 

582
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,960
The social worker comes to the 
hospital. 

583
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,520
I found her in the hallway. 
My son, my son's crib is still 

584
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,880
at home to to this day. 
His nappies are still with me. 

585
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,720
Everything is still with me. 
I never took my baby at home 

586
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:11,800
because they they could be a 
risk in the future of harming my

587
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,880
child. 
To this day, I don't know what 

588
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,880
risk that is. 
I don't abuse drugs. 

589
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,400
I don't use alcohol. 
I don't I I don't have any 

590
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,920
depletating disease. 
I'm healthy and well, why should

591
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,960
you steal my children? 
I find the social worker in the 

592
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,560
hallway and she says we have to 
take the child. 

593
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,320
And here is the the foster 
carer. 

594
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,760
The foster carer was an elderly 
lady around 70 or something. 

595
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,040
She needed care herself, the 
poor woman, but they gave her my

596
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,600
baby. 
She was a single lady in 

597
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,760
Manchester. 
As the foster carer, she takes 

598
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,920
the child, they grab her and 
drive. 

599
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,320
Drive off with my baby, the 
social worker tells me. 

600
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,720
Before this, the foster carer 
goes away with my baby 

601
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,720
shattered, bleeding heavily with
a cesarean section that was 

602
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:05,080
unwarranted for. 
So if you want your child back, 

603
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,080
this was a social worker from 
the Countess of Chester 

604
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,480
Hospital, she said. 
If you want your child back, I 

605
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,560
think you need to apply for a 
non molestation order against 

606
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,680
Mr. C That's my ex partner and 
if you get this non molestation 

607
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,000
order ready, we will get your 
son back with you. 

608
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,000
Remember, you're bleeding 
heavily. 

609
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:29,320
Sorry, Brian, this is women's 
stuff. 

610
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,320
Take your time. 
You remember, you're you're 

611
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:38,360
bleeding heavily. 
You're bleeding heavily from the

612
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,760
cesarean section. 
That is best on Absolutely Lies 

613
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,720
and deception and medical 
negligence, whatever they call 

614
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,840
it. 
Your son has been plucked out of

615
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,880
your tummy. 
This is happening in the United 

616
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,680
Kingdom because it's all 
recorded and it's all on medical

617
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,480
records. 
Your son has been plucked out of

618
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,520
your tummy before bath before 
the final gestation period. 

619
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,680
He's healthy but they lie. 
They told me and the court that 

620
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,160
he was too small so we needed to
take him out. 

621
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,320
I stayed with my baby for 8-8 
days. 

622
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,240
I called my mum. 
I told her mum I don't know what

623
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,760
to do because they're going to 
take her, take him and she would

624
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,280
say the best we can do is to 
pray for him and we give him a 

625
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,440
name. 
Let us give him the name because

626
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,520
that's all we can do. 
They're so powerful, yeah. 

627
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,960
Let me just add a little bit 
from my experience about this. 

628
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:46,400
I've also been able to talk to 
other mothers who've had had the

629
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,400
baby taken away at birth, not 
from a cesarean section, but 

630
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,360
they had given birth in the 
hospital and the social workers 

631
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,440
were there to take the baby the 
moment it was born. 

632
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,440
And I've seen the distress. 
On the faces of that, well, that

633
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,520
mother and and other mothers 
where they've had babies 

634
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,160
snatched out of their arms. 
UK column many years ago put out

635
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,320
a video of a baby that had been 
cared for by its mother at home 

636
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,120
for some some weeks. 
But eventually social services 

637
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:27,040
came to take that baby and we we
broadcast the film of the social

638
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,760
workers taking the boat, the 
baby from a screaming mother and

639
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,200
the impact on the audience, the 
UK column audience was immense 

640
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,360
because of course people have 
never seen this, they've never 

641
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,560
understood that this type of 
stuff goes on. 

642
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,880
And of course in that particular
incident, and it's not, it's not

643
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,240
an uncommon thing, the police 
were also in attendance. 

644
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,800
So the family are faced with the
police, who are supposedly there

645
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,440
to keep law and order. 
But what the police are actually

646
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,000
doing is taking part in the 
kidnap, the stealing of children

647
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,840
under immense duress to the 
parents. 

648
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:11,080
But babies being taken at birth 
must be one of the cruelest 

649
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,800
things that takes place in the 
system. 

650
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,800
So I'm. 
I'm not all surprised that you 

651
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,080
would be this distressed. 
Any mother would be, surely. 

652
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:26,840
Yes, the social worker tells me,
if you agree, we get a non 

653
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,040
molestation order. 
Remember, they are scraping the 

654
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,200
barrel for evidence. 
They're looking for anything to 

655
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:39,120
fit you into the toxic trio I 
described in my part one of 

656
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,400
Mental health, domestic abuse 
and drug misuse. 

657
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,400
So they're looking, they're 
scraping for any little snippets

658
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,480
of evidence. 
So to justify the stealing of 

659
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,720
that baby now, then, they have 
to manipulate the mother. 

660
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,840
Remember, you're vulnerable, 
you're still bleeding, you're 

661
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,400
lactating. 
And any parent, any parent on 

662
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,640
this planet, if they told you 
jump, you will ask how high for 

663
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,440
your baby will tell you do this,
you will do it for your child to

664
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,720
protect your baby from harm. 
You'll do anything for any send 

665
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:15,560
parent who'll do that. 
So this show show worker Diana 

666
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,800
Butcher tells me, let's go into 
let's go into the court. 

667
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,120
The judge was ready for me with 
a non molestation order granted 

668
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:30,560
against my ex partner and to 
this day still regret for why 

669
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,920
and how naive was I to listen to
them. 

670
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,640
What they did to you is a 
standard procedure. 

671
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,680
Often this is done very early in
a case because if you have a a 

672
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,800
married couple or a couple 
living together who are in a a 

673
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:49,400
perfectly strong, reasonable 
loving relationship, social 

674
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,960
services will do their utmost to
drive a wedge between mum and 

675
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,480
dad to break them apart. 
And it's very very common for 

676
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:03,640
social services to say to the 
mother, Oh well if if you if you

677
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:07,800
separate from your husband, if 
you separate from your partner 

678
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,760
and get them out of your lives, 
then this will this will clearly

679
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,320
make the situation in court much
better. 

680
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,960
But what they're really doing, 
of course, is breaking apart the

681
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,640
strength of the relationship. 
Your your partner supported you,

682
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,520
as I understand it, to really 
great effect, because they were 

683
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,400
prepared to fight with you in in
the courts. 

684
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,440
And So what what social services
would would have invariably 

685
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,880
tried to do is get rid of that 
male support so that you would 

686
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,840
be more vulnerable on your own. 
This is a very, very common 

687
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,360
tactic. 
They had to repress a part. 

688
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,920
They they made sure that he 
wasn't in my life or in my son's

689
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,960
life. 
So the non molestation order 

690
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,000
destroyed him. 
It would destroy any man you see

691
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,560
because they would not 
understand who is coercing all 

692
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,200
these and what's really going 
on. 

693
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,120
He thought, oh God, some I don't
understand what you're doing. 

694
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,440
And then he's, he had to, he had
to stop speaking to me. 

695
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,400
And few few weeks later, a few 
months down the road, I told him

696
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,560
this is what the social worker 
told me. 

697
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,040
So I did it. 
And he was saying, God, you're 

698
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,800
so dumb, you don't understand 
how the system here works. 

699
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,560
But I was dumb. 
But now I'm not. 

700
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,160
I know how they operate and I 
understand this is child 

701
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,320
trafficking and it's a racket 
and it has to stop because you 

702
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,120
have to stop stealing our 
children. 

703
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,560
We are watching you. 
We are watching everything 

704
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,840
you're doing. 
Do you know what's so 

705
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,280
fascinating, Brian, is the 
reports for stealing my son were

706
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,200
already written. 
The interim care order was 

707
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,360
already written before my son 
was born. 

708
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:56,080
Everything was so ready they 
prepared to steal my son when he

709
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,000
was still in my tummy. 
Tell me if that is justice. 

710
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,800
By the time we went to the court
in Manchester, the interim care 

711
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,600
order when we applied for the 
paperwork had been granted weeks

712
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,440
before my son was born. 
Let's put it in different 

713
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,040
language, Sam, because we're 
talking in terms of trafficking,

714
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,000
well, child stealing and traffic
trafficking. 

715
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,760
But what what we're now 
describing is that there was 

716
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,000
premeditation. 
And there is deliberate altering

717
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,240
of documents. 
When my ex partner sent a 

718
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:38,320
document to the core in May in 
March 2018, the judge stamped 

719
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,520
that some document with a stamp 
of May 2016. 

720
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,360
You see, we were represented by 
QCs. 

721
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,480
I thought they pay attention to 
detail by the time they become 

722
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,360
QCs and KCS. 
Well, yes and no, because of 

723
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,360
course, as we've already 
described, the legal teams work 

724
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,200
within a system where pay their 
loyalties to the court and be 

725
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,120
they're paid effectively because
of that loyalty to the court. 

726
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:15,040
So why should they put their 
professional careers and risk 

727
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,080
and income at risk by telling 
the truth? 

728
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,080
There's there's clearly a very 
effective encouragement for them

729
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,680
not to tell the truth but simply
to a deal with wishes of the 

730
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,080
court. 
And the the other bit I just 

731
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:36,320
wanted to drop in is that in 
your case they they came for 

732
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,880
your son. 
But my instinct tells me that 

733
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:48,200
the the whole of the what's the 
word, the the whole of the 

734
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,000
effort to take your son by 
social services would have been 

735
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,760
based on the fact that you'd 
already lost your daughter. 

736
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,480
So the way, the way, the, the, 
the, it's like a net which 

737
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,880
gradually ensnares the parents 
or ensnares the mother. 

738
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,400
And so first of all, they went 
for your daughter. 

739
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,280
They had to create, they had to 
create the evidence, the 

740
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,800
accusations that would enable 
them to take your daughter and 

741
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,880
they took your daughter because 
she could have been at risk. 

742
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,000
So they said in the future, then
once they succeed in taking your

743
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,920
daughter, that is then used as 
the basis to take your son in 

744
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,640
the future. 
That is how I think that they 

745
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,320
were playing the system and This
is why they'd be so confident in

746
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,520
that they wrote the court orders
in advance, because they'd 

747
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,080
already in their minds achieved 
the evidence. 

748
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,280
They took your daughter and 
therefore risk of future harm 

749
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,880
they could simply apply to your 
son. 

750
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,880
And my mind takes me to a case 
which actually took place in 

751
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:05,080
Plymouth, where a mother was in 
hospital, gave birth to her her 

752
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,840
child in hospital and the child 
was I'll at birth. 

753
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,760
There was a problem. 
The hospital tried to make out 

754
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:19,480
that the child had cancer and 
wanted to give a day old, two 

755
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,160
day old baby radiotherapy or 
treatment, cancer treatment. 

756
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,720
The mother's instinct was that 
the child did not have cancer 

757
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,760
and as a result this brought the
mother into conflict with the 

758
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,560
medical opinion within the 
hospital and the hospital 

759
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:43,920
subsequently engaged social 
services and ultimately that 

760
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,000
child was taken away from the 
mother and stayed away from the 

761
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,400
mother. 
Even when it later emerged that 

762
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,840
the child did not have cancer or
any major life threatening 

763
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,320
illness, it was a relatively 
minor problem which could occur 

764
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,960
to a number any number of 
children and could be fixed 

765
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,920
quite easily. 
But the meat of this story is 

766
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,480
that the mother went on to have 
another three children, and each

767
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,080
of those children were taken on 
the basis that the previous one 

768
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:18,520
had been taken, and the first 
child was taken on the basis of 

769
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,480
a pack of lies. 
Tell me if it's if that is non 

770
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,960
child trafficking, you tell me, 
because that's what traffickers 

771
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,320
do. 
They will target vulnerable 

772
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,160
people, vulnerable families and 
they snag children away from 

773
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,760
them. 
The only difference here is that

774
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,440
we have a court that is enabling
this to carry on. 

775
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:40,320
That's the critical statement 
because what you're now 

776
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,680
identifying I I believe 
absolutely correctly is that 

777
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:50,480
this system could only operate 
as it does and with the scale of

778
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,080
it, the number of of children 
being taken, it could only 

779
00:49:54,080 --> 00:50:00,360
operate with the full knowledge 
and connivance of the court 

780
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,720
system which is supposedly there
to protect the children. 

781
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:09,120
So this is state orchestrated 
stealing and trafficking of 

782
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,840
children. 
Yes, absolutely. 

783
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,920
It's it's it's beyond, it's 
beyond painful. 

784
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,480
Yes. 
I'm I haven't seen my daughter 

785
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:28,480
and my son for years, since 2018
because the judge said I was 

786
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:34,200
anti adoption. 
I had sent emails to to them, to

787
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,640
the lawyer, to the judge and to 
everyone. 

788
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:42,400
When I was extremely distressed,
I kind of remind, I reminded it 

789
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,120
reminded me so many of the 
horrific things that gone 

790
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,880
through of what they were doing 
to me and my children. 

791
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,400
So I sent them these emails when
I was so upset. 

792
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,760
Well, they use the emails 
against me, Brian. 

793
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,360
In the United Kingdom, your 
e-mail can grant you never to 

794
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,280
see your children again. 
That's how. 

795
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,680
That's how twisted the the whole
thing is here. 

796
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,200
Child stealing is very common in
the United Kingdom. 

797
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,920
Every single day they're 
stealing children from, from 

798
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,560
their, from, from families. 
For me, the judge refused me to 

799
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,200
see my children again because I 
spoke about a case of Matthew 

800
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,680
Scala. 
I don't know whether you 

801
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:27,440
remember the case where an 
adoptive father killed a baby in

802
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,680
North Wales. 
In North Wales, this was a fresh

803
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,400
case. 
I was my children were at the 

804
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,760
verge of being adopted by 
strangers. 

805
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,880
I go into the contact centre, 
which is always looking haunted.

806
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,840
Half of the time there is 
someone with a clipboard. 

807
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:49,000
Every move you make of how you 
look at the baby, how you turn 

808
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,640
and how you twist, no cameras 
allowed, nothing is allowed 

809
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,920
there. 
So for us to even have footage, 

810
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,080
it's by the grace of God because
you're overly monitored by 

811
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,680
social workers who are looking 
for every evidence, anything 

812
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,200
that they can pick on. 
So I go in there and my friend 

813
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,040
sends me a link some This is 
what's happening. 

814
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,320
This adoptive father's just 
killed a baby and they're doing 

815
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,080
a wishy washy job about 
reporting about it and they they

816
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:24,760
were assessed by social services
there I tell about it and and 

817
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,560
she says you're anti adoption 
you'll never see your children 

818
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:28,960
again. 
You're horrendously terrible. 

819
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,400
How could you talk about this 
case? 

820
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,240
And I said, but this is an 
adoptive father. 

821
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:37,320
You're saying adoption is 
wonderful, but we have a case of

822
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,760
Murphy Scarlett here. 
How can this be right? 

823
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,360
You're saying you're looking out
for the best interest of my 

824
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,080
children where you're splitting 
them even further because my 

825
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,240
daughter is in a different 
placement and my son is in a in 

826
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:58,320
a different placement as well, 
both with single parents, both 

827
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,040
of different heritage, but 
they're they're looking out for 

828
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,880
the best interest of my children
now and in the future. 

829
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,240
So I don't, I really don't 
understand how or who is 

830
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:14,360
supposed to safeguard our 
children in the UK if you're not

831
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,360
a millionaire. 
That's a very interesting point 

832
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,120
because having money is not 
necessarily a protection to 

833
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,600
having your children taken. 
And this, this takes us into a 

834
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,560
very interesting point you 
you've stressed that that you 

835
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:35,080
feel that people who are new to 
the country, migrants, ethnic 

836
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,120
minorities are particularly 
vulnerable to child stealing. 

837
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,080
And I would absolutely agree 
with that. 

838
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:46,320
That's that's what I understand.
And there are some cases I can 

839
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,320
talk about where that's clearly 
those children have been 

840
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:55,160
obtained from vulnerable people.
They can come from a variety of 

841
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,080
places, but particularly if they
don't speak English properly, 

842
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,320
that automatically makes them 
vulnerable. 

843
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:07,280
But we've seen many targeted 
minority communities where the 

844
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,880
children have been taken. 
However, what we've also seen 

845
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:16,080
over over many years, let's say 
the last 15 years, is that the 

846
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:22,400
system's now got so blatant it 
has tried to increasingly try to

847
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,080
take the children from, we'll 
say, white professional 

848
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,520
families. 
And on at least two occasions 

849
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,960
that I can remember, they even 
had a go at taking the children 

850
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,280
of legal professionals. 
And if I remember correctly, one

851
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,000
of those ladies was a barrister 
and she was horrified to be 

852
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,640
caught up in this system that 
was so confident in its ability 

853
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,200
to do what we're talking about, 
which is steal children. 

854
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,680
It was prepared to have a go at 
targeting somebody who was very,

855
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,840
very highly qualified legally 
themselves. 

856
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:05,760
So the system I see is becoming 
more aggressive and more 

857
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,200
widespread in the targeting. 
But yes, I would agree with you 

858
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,120
that people who are new to the 
country, particularly if if they

859
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,200
don't speak English very well 
and don't understand the systems

860
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:23,480
here, they are being targeted in
the Sheffield area. 

861
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:29,400
I think I'm correct in saying 
Gypsy Romani families have been 

862
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,640
particularly targeted, but in 
other parts of the country, 

863
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:41,200
Midlands predominantly, yes. 
Immigrant communities have have 

864
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,560
been targeted for their children
with some with some particularly

865
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,320
unpleasant nuances. 
So that if abuse has been 

866
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:55,000
reported from within the 
community, Social services then 

867
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,960
leaks the names of the people 
reporting that abuse back into 

868
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,000
the community. 
Whereupon depending on the 

869
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,440
nature of the community and 
particularly if the informant is

870
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,320
a mother. 
The mother is then threatened 

871
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:16,480
and or beaten up inside her own 
community for daring to report 

872
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:21,440
the child abuse taking place. 
So the system is vicious. 

873
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,400
It does target vulnerable, but 
it's also confident enough to 

874
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,160
target white professional people
and their children. 

875
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,360
Target white professional 
families if they have 

876
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,960
traditional or conservative kind
of values. 

877
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:42,760
For example, if they believe in 
God, and they are they, they're 

878
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:47,160
not very sure about sexualising 
their children in schools. 

879
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,880
If they question anything with 
their transgender movements or 

880
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:56,040
LGBT community, if they speak 
out about things like that, if 

881
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,920
they challenge anything to the 
status quo, they are more likely

882
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,920
to lose their children. 
And we've seen this not just a 

883
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,120
few parents, but so many 
parents, even though they they 

884
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,640
are well off their perfect 
parents. 

885
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,760
But the moment they challenge 
the status quo, they are more 

886
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,600
likely to lose their children 
and fabrications are made. 

887
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,000
Then you see that they have 
families torn apart, the father 

888
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,680
is is removed. 
I wanted also to touch base with

889
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,520
things to do with health 
visitor. 

890
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:30,080
When you have a baby in the UK 
and you're still new to to the 

891
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,440
whole system, the health visitor
will come in kind of probing 

892
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,800
you. 
Are you feeling any anxiety? 

893
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,880
Are you feeling anxious as if 
they care, but they don't when 

894
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,200
you're lactating, they they, 
they don't really care, they 

895
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,760
just want to, they're sniffing 
for vulnerabilities. 

896
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,440
Well, this is. 
This is entrapment. 

897
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,880
What what's going on here is 
that they're looking to entrap 

898
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,240
you by you making a statement, 
which they can then use to their

899
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,800
advantage. 
So they kind of probe you. 

900
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,920
Are you looking, Are you feeling
any? 

901
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,160
Are you feeling low? 
Are you feeling anything? 

902
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,400
Remember, as a mother who was 
just giving birth, sometimes you

903
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,160
don't sleep, you're lactating. 
You wake up and wake up so many 

904
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,520
times, you're distressed, your 
hair is all over the place and 

905
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,880
they expect you to be perfect. 
Everything has to be perfect. 

906
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,120
And the moment you disclose that
you're not feeling well, then 

907
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,640
she will say risk of emotional 
harm to the baby. 

908
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,800
And then the Spyro continues. 
The referee is made behind the 

909
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,960
scenes, The health visitor 
doesn't have to turn up in 

910
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,440
court. 
It's all hush hush, and she gets

911
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,000
her Commission behind the 
scenes. 

912
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,160
That's how everything is working
at the moment, which is really a

913
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,520
shame. 
Oh my goodness, there's so many 

914
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,960
cases, Brian, so many cases. 
But what is also interesting to 

915
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,440
know is that some charities are 
involved in this. 

916
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,720
They're also involved in the 
adoption scandal because they're

917
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,760
part of the whole racket. 
You will be surprised by the 

918
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,840
patrons of this charity. 
You'll be surprised by the 

919
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,280
shareholders of this charity and
how it all goes back into 

920
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,800
adoption agencies, adoption 
agencies, their executives, 

921
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,840
their shareholders. 
You know that everyone is just 

922
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,360
cashing out on our children. 
This is an area that I've also 

923
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,400
paid attention to the role of 
the charities and perhaps our 

924
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,360
audience will be stunned if we 
say what sort of figures, what 

925
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,320
sort of money are we talking 
about when we we deal with 

926
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,640
charities who are connected to 
children? 

927
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,800
Well, we're talking millions, 
multi millions, 10s of millions,

928
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:42,800
100 million. 
This is very, very big business 

929
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:48,000
and everybody who can touch the 
child, whether it's involvement 

930
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,600
in the so-called care placement 
and care of the child, can earn 

931
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,560
money. 
And then of course, once 

932
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,800
children are in the system, they
can be removed from that system 

933
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,640
for really unpleasant stuff, 
which of course is the abuse or 

934
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,320
the sexual abuse, where even 
more money changes hands. 

935
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,240
So the key thing about the 
children is that they they, they

936
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,560
come with this ability to make 
money for anybody who can touch 

937
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,720
them. 
Even we have to say people who, 

938
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,000
who? 
Take on the care of Children can

939
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,960
be earning significant sums of 
money per week, particularly if 

940
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:32,120
the child has got special needs 
or complex special needs. 

941
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:37,600
Then carers can be receiving 
thousands of pounds per week in 

942
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:42,000
order to look after a child. 
And some carers are so capable, 

943
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,080
it would appear that they can 
look after more than one child 

944
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:51,000
with with complex special needs.
So they're earning multiple 

945
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,400
thousands of pounds per week. 
This is an industry. 

946
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:59,640
It is an industry that I, I, I 
believe is like a pyramid skill.

947
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,360
So you start off as a social 
worker at the entry level, then 

948
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,240
you upgrade to an advanced 
social worker, maybe with a 

949
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,360
rubber stamped degree from the 
nearest university in the local 

950
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,800
authority, and then you go from 
there. 

951
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,120
The more children you snatch 
away from families, the more 

952
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:19,400
you, the elite group where 
everything is protected, you're 

953
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,840
protected legally, you're 
protected from any sort of 

954
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,800
damages, you're untouchable. 
And they can abuse children. 

955
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,560
They can do anything to these 
children and no one is going to 

956
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,440
say anything about them because 
they are untouchable. 

957
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,640
You see, they are above the law.
They can abuse our children in 

958
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,400
obscurity and secrecy, 
manipulate data, and they come 

959
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,920
in front of the whole general 
public that they're safeguarding

960
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,880
children. 
But they are no, they're abusing

961
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,440
children every single day, and 
all the information is public 

962
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,960
knowledge. 
People just decide not to look 

963
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,920
at it. 
People just decide not to hold 

964
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,280
these people accountable. 
The BBC will never speak about 

965
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,280
children. 
The Guardian will never speak 

966
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,560
about what this is doing to our 
beloved children. 

967
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:08,240
The conflict of interest is 
beyond describing what they're 

968
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,520
doing because they've been in 
this whole pyramid scheme for 

969
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,360
years. 
They they just rubber stamp 

970
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,680
whatever each other is saying. 
I remember one of the lawyers 

971
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,960
saying the mother doesn't have 
maternal instinct. 

972
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,600
And I asked him, how do you know
that I don't have maternal 

973
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,480
instinct? 
Do you need me to breastfeed 

974
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,640
you? 
So you know, sorry about that, 

975
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,920
Brian. 
Some of these things I don't 

976
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,720
understand. 
They just make up things as they

977
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,800
go. 
Because how would a lawyer know 

978
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,920
that I don't have maternal 
instinct when I've been 

979
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,880
breastfeeding my son? 
How would a lawyer know that I 

980
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:45,200
don't have maternal instinct. 
You know, he's a lawyer, He's a 

981
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,680
children's lawyer. 
He's not a psychologist who is 

982
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,240
an expert. 
I've spent thousands. 

983
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:56,320
I've spent everything we had to 
protect my babies from harm 

984
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,760
because I know the outcome of 
what's going to happen. 

985
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,080
The data is very clear of how 
many children are broken out of 

986
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:06,200
placement orders, out of 
adoption orders and out of 

987
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,800
foster care. 
You know, their identity is 

988
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,200
stripped away. 
They're given a new identity. 

989
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,560
They're never allowed to look 
for their best families. 

990
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,920
They're told their birth 
families are terrible. 

991
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,320
You know, you were neglected, 
you you were never loved. 

992
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:25,000
And all this brainwashing. 
In several cases, I came to 

993
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,840
learn that one of the tricks 
that they they do in order to 

994
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:34,840
break the bond between older 
children and mothers is that 

995
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,320
they basically will say to the 
child, oh, your, your mother's 

996
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,480
very poorly. 
She's, she's unwell and she 

997
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,760
wants to kill you and then she 
will commit suicide. 

998
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,840
And that's been related to me by
several mothers. 

999
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:53,040
And that that was what the child
was told in order to try and 

1000
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,680
break the bond with the mother. 
Oh my. 

1001
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,600
God, Oh my God, they they will, 
they will do everything. 

1002
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,000
I remember the social worker 
from Salford City. 

1003
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,280
She said wishes and feelings 
have to be protected and I said 

1004
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,960
OK, So what are her wishes and 
feelings? 

1005
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,480
And she showed me the paper 
which I still have, where says I

1006
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,240
enjoy swimming with my mum, I 
enjoy going out to cook and I 

1007
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,640
enjoy all these wonderful things
I do with my mother. 

1008
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,800
And I said, OK, then, are you 
going to consider a supervision 

1009
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,640
order where you can pop in 
anytime you want to check on 

1010
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,200
just so you don't take her away 
to new strangers? 

1011
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,760
And she said that will depend on
what the judge says. 

1012
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,040
We had several judges on my 
case. 

1013
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,520
We had judges who didn't know 
what the case was about. 

1014
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,920
We had judges who didn't even 
know my children's name, and 

1015
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:51,840
when they tried to box me into 
the mental health things, I I 

1016
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,720
had to do whatever I could do. 
You know, I think I'm above 

1017
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,880
average intelligence. 
I hate blowing my own trumpet 

1018
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:05,320
sometimes, but I went for six 
specialists so they can assess 

1019
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:10,520
me and if truly, truly I had 
anything with me to say that I'm

1020
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,240
I might harm myself. 
I might harm myself or hurt the 

1021
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,560
children. 
I wanted someone to fix me if I 

1022
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,320
really had any problems. 
So I I sought support. 

1023
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:24,480
I went to different therapists. 
I went to Doctor Fieldman. 

1024
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,600
You know, he's a top consultant.
He's a top psychologist. 

1025
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,920
He's amazing. 
I went to Doctor Pasetti. 

1026
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,880
I went to Doctor Sawyer. 
Alice, these are these are 

1027
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,520
incredible, incredible 
psychologists and psychiatrists.

1028
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:44,200
I went to Doctor Lennox Thomas. 
I thought I would have to seek a

1029
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:48,280
second opinion on this because 
their expert witness said she 

1030
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,160
could not see any symptoms or 
any traits of trauma. 

1031
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,640
She couldn't see anything, but 
she assumes and she feels these 

1032
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:01,760
are her feelings and thoughts 
without using the DSM 5. 

1033
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:07,320
She felt these are feelings of 
people and thought not a 

1034
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:16,000
professional opinion that I 
could have complex PTSD or a 

1035
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:20,120
personality disorder. 
Now then I asked her, I 

1036
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,160
challenged her and I said you 
didn't use a DSM 5. 

1037
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,480
Your colleagues who have sold 
second opinion from they said 

1038
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,000
there is no way someone can 
diagnose you with complex 

1039
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,120
speeches. 
The aura, personality disorder 

1040
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,160
in one sitting, in an hour or 
half an hour. 

1041
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,920
It's impossible. 
They need to assess you on 

1042
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,960
several, several occasions, so 
we don't know where she's coming

1043
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,160
up with that. 
I brought these experts in court

1044
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:50,640
before her Honour Judge so they 
can testify and Doctor Alex 

1045
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,800
Alice Sawyer had been in my home
in Wales. 

1046
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:58,160
She came to my home to assess 
where the children will be 

1047
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,880
living, she said. 
I cannot write a report unless I

1048
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,320
know where you live. 
I have to assess it several 

1049
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,680
times. 
She travelled all the way from 

1050
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,680
London to come all the way to 
Wells to say where the children 

1051
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,960
were leaving. 
She saw everything was perfect 

1052
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,000
in my home, but my children were
refused to come home. 

1053
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,440
Doctor Alisa was refused to come
into court to give evidence. 

1054
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,960
Doctor Lennox Thomas was refused
to come into court to give 

1055
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,800
evidence. 
Doctor Philippe Paset was 

1056
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,160
refused. 
Dr. Feldman was refused. 

1057
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,000
All these experts were refused 
because their reports were 

1058
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,600
supporting me as a parent. 
Sam, I can immediately reinforce

1059
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:41,360
what you're saying with a a case
that I'm extremely familiar with

1060
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:47,040
where for for for the parents. 
I have to choose my words very 

1061
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:51,080
carefully for the parents. 
They have absolutely been 

1062
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:56,720
refused professional witnesses 
in court where there's been a 

1063
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:01,840
psychological report written 
which says that mum and the dads

1064
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,680
have no psychological problems 
or defects at all. 

1065
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,280
That evidence is simply not 
allowed into court. 

1066
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,840
It doesn't fit into the box of 
the Toxic Trio for the child 

1067
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,080
traffickers. 
You see, I I remind you, Brian, 

1068
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:22,319
sorry about this because this is
really emotional for me. 

1069
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:28,600
The the books for the for the 
toxic trio is mental health, 

1070
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:35,520
drug and alcohol abuse and, 
yeah, domestic violence or 

1071
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:39,640
domestic abuse. 
So they have to make sure social

1072
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,600
workers who are snitching 
children away from families, 

1073
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,520
they have to make sure with 
everything they've got that they

1074
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,439
can box you into either of the 
boxes. 

1075
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:54,680
If they can take off one of 
those boxes, your child is has 

1076
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,080
to go away. 
My ex partner was never 

1077
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,760
arrested. 
They couldn't touch him. 

1078
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:05,800
He was never persecuted. 
He's a free man, you know he 

1079
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,080
doesn't have. 
He's raised other children who 

1080
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,399
are perfect, who are happy and 
healthy. 

1081
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:16,120
He separated from his ex-wife 
like some other people, but 

1082
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,160
those were their personal 
concerns. 

1083
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,479
That doesn't mean he's a 
horrific person that he could 

1084
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,080
not raise, but they had to 
money, psychologically 

1085
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:29,000
manipulate me because I didn't 
know their horror system. 

1086
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:33,040
I was emotional. 
I was bleeding from childbirth, 

1087
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:37,640
pregnant and what not. 
In in the process they they 

1088
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,040
broke us apart, but they didn't 
win. 

1089
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,439
Because I'm not going to stop 
fighting for my children. 

1090
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:48,200
I'm not going to stop fighting 
for you until my last day or my 

1091
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:52,160
son and other children that 
you've stolen away in different 

1092
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:55,680
in in different boroughs. 
Sam, that's that's really an 

1093
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,360
incredible statement that you've
made and I think most other 

1094
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,400
parents would totally align with
that, wouldn't they? 

1095
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,840
That you're not going to give up
on your children. 

1096
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,960
So I think that's a very good 
place perhaps for us to end this

1097
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,720
Part 2 interview. 
There's still a huge amount to 

1098
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,920
talk about and I've got some 
thoughts about what we might do 

1099
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:22,720
together in the future, in 
particular, helping take people 

1100
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:27,000
on to the to the immense work 
that you've done to try and 

1101
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,160
alert other people. 
And I know you've also come into

1102
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,520
contact with other people who've
been through this process. 

1103
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,680
So I'm already looking at doing 
more with you. 

1104
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,960
But I think that this is a good 
place to end. 

1105
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,960
Part 2. 
And we're going to say to our 

1106
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:46,800
audience, just reflect on what 
Sam has said to you about a 

1107
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:54,360
system in UK in 2023 that is not
protecting children, it's doing 

1108
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,960
the opposite. 
It's facilitating the taking and

1109
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,400
trafficking of children. 
Sam, I'm going to thank you very

1110
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,400
much. 
You've been very brave once 

1111
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,080
again. 
Thank you for joining us. 

1112
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:10,320
Thank you so much, Brian. 
Thank you so much to UK column 

1113
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,040
viewers and our audience. 
I really appreciate every 

1114
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,600
support and all your prayers for
my beautiful boy and my 

1115
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,880
beautiful girl. 
I will not stop. 

1116
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,480
I will not stop. 
I will not give up on them. 

1117
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,760
I'm healthy and well. 
And I thank you so much 

1118
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:27,920
everyone. 
Thank you. 

1119
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,480
OK. 
Thank you very much, Sam.