1 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,280 Good afternoon. It's Friday the 10th of October 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,160 2025, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News. 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,280 I'm your host, Mike Robinson, joining me in the studio today, 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,480 Patrick Henningson. Welcome to the program, Patrick. 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,680 Great to be with you, Mike. And Mark Anderson will join us 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,400 in a little bit and we have a special guest we will we'll 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,040 introduce shortly. But we're going to begin today, 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,200 Patrick, with the the peace plan. 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,040 This is the big story, isn't Mike? 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,800 And this is the the meeting of the minds here or the meeting of 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,640 something else. These three likely lads here. 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,880 I mean, look at this, Benjamin Netanyahu, Steve Witkoff, Jared 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,640 Kushner, Donald Trump wasn't there to really do the deal, but 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,400 he is there in spirit as you can see on the back wall. 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,440 But that's Netanyahu with his his trusted cabinet there, which 16 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,320 he hand picked by the way he hand picked those two people in 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,280 the Trump cabinet. Is it a ceasefire deal, Mike? 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,600 Is it if they're already celebrating peace in the Middle 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,080 East? What's going on there? 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,520 Well, take a close look. If you know how this one's going 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,800 to go, take a close look at that gentleman there, that Steve 22 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,360 Witkoff. We like to call him the Dell boy 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:18,280 of diplomacy. So we took a little the Dell boy 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,800 of diplomacy. That makes Jared Rodney, doesn't 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:21,400 it? Yes, it does. 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,160 We don't want to insult Rodney, though, do we? 27 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,840 And I'm I'm almost to feel like I'm insulting David Jason with 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,080 that comparison, Mike. But that's kind of what we are 29 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,840 are going to expect because these are con men of the highest 30 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,960 order. Every single ceasefire has been 31 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:40,000 a strategic pause to rearm Israel and continue the bombing, 32 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,080 just like from the beginning of Trump's term. 33 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,600 Let's take a look at Donald Trump. 34 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,960 This is what he had to say about this historic deal. 35 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,040 I think it's going to be a lasting peace, hopefully, and 36 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,760 everlasting peace, peace in the Middle East. 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,360 We secured the release of all of the remaining hostages and they 38 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,920 should be released on Monday or Tuesday. 39 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,320 And getting them is a complicated process. 40 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,680 I'd rather not tell you what they have to do to get them. 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,400 There are places you don't want to be. 42 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:15,800 But we are getting the hostages back on on Tuesday, Monday or 43 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,800 Tuesday and that'll be a day of joy. 44 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,320 I'm going to try and make a trip over. 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,400 We're going to try and get over there and we're working on the 46 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,040 timing, the exact timing. We're going to go to Egypt where 47 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,280 we'll have a signing, an additional signing. 48 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,040 We've already had a signing representing me, but we're going 49 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:41,280 to have an official signing. So, Mike, they, they don't have 50 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,480 the timings. They haven't confirmed, maybe 51 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,280 Monday, maybe Tuesday, they haven't confirmed the names. 52 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,280 Israel hasn't agreed on the names of the Palestinians being 53 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,680 released, including some high profile people we'll speak 54 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,280 about, speak about in a moment. And, and so, yeah, but it's all 55 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,840 about the signing. It's going to be, it's historic. 56 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,040 There's peace in the Middle East. 57 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,640 They're already celebrating on Fox News in America. 58 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:05,600 Just finally there's peace in the Middle East. 59 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,080 Nothing's actually happened yet. Nothing has actually happened. 60 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,000 In fact, Israeli tanks opened fire on Palestinians celebrating 61 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,120 the ceasefire just last night. That was the opening gambit from 62 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,400 Israel is to basically shoot Palestinians. 63 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,400 We're celebrating that the war's over. 64 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,160 Well, I guess it's not over then, but, well, we'll see. 65 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,880 Well, it's really said that they had held a defence cabinet and 66 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,040 then a full cabinet before they agreed this thing. 67 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,960 But let's just have a look here at what Keir Starmer had to say 68 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,880 because this was this was his words. 69 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,320 I welcome the news that the deal has been reached on the first 70 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,520 stage of President Trump's peace plan for Gaza. 71 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,120 And he then lauded the efforts of western aligned countries in 72 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,080 the region for stepping up and and helping get this over the 73 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,560 line. But he said that this agreement 74 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,400 must now be implemented in full without delay and accompanied by 75 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,560 the immediate lifting of all restrictions on life saving 76 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,680 humanitarian aid to Gaza. Well, that may be his position. 77 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,720 But while the various meetings were going on, Israel wasn't 78 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,880 holding back. And as we can see here as well, 79 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,320 first of all, as reported by Resistance Use Network from the 80 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,079 Palestinian side and also in the Israeli media here, multiple 81 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:25,800 attacks on Gaza were carried out in the run up to the ceasefire. 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,360 Because why get into the spirit of what's being done when 83 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,000 there's an opportunity to kill a few more people before the 84 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,080 deadline, Patrick? Yes, exactly. 85 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,160 Right, so, so let's just have a look at what the Resistance News 86 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,160 Network said here. Now at 2:00 AM, the displaced 87 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,880 people of Gaza are cautiously celebrating and crying tears of 88 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,840 joy at shelters and hospitals in light of the news of a ceasefire 89 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:49,440 deal. The IOF continues to bomb the 90 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,800 Gaza Strip at this time, particularly cyber neighborhoods 91 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,240 South of Gaza City, while drones are flying low over Muazi. 92 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:00,640 Explosions rock Gaza City now, but the Times of Israel here was 93 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,920 claiming that the idea of hopes to complete its withdrawal by 94 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,400 noon starting 72 countdown, 72 hour countdown. 95 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,880 Sorry to free the hostages. I don't know what your thoughts 96 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,440 are on that. Well, I mean it again, the 97 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,160 timing hasn't been confirmed yet. 98 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,440 So when is the swap going to happen? 99 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,480 That was a problem in the last agreements and Israel basically 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,760 deep sixed every single one of these agreements in the past. 101 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,000 There's a 0% success rate and they always come up with some 102 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,400 excuse or they try to blame Hamas. 103 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,520 So clearly the Palestinians are willing to take a step to make a 104 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:36,600 deal. But I'm, I'm going to say 105 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,920 cautiously, Mike, that at best this is a temporary, but perhaps 106 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,800 ceasefire temporary. It's this not, it's not a peace 107 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,480 plan. It's not a peace deal. 108 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,000 But by the same token, Mike, we need to be also sensitive to the 109 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,000 fact that I will not deny any Palestinian the respite of not 110 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,960 having to be bombed for at least 24 hours, 48 hours, maybe a 111 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,040 week, maybe a month. I will not deny them that, even 112 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,800 though I'm a total skeptic about the sincerity of the Americans 113 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,160 and the Israelis on this. Well, let's get an idea perhaps 114 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,640 of the sincerity of the Israelis in this because here's Channel 115 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,920 7. I guess this is Israel national 116 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,400 news. I just want to quote a little 117 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,520 bit from this because they say the names of the four terror 118 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,440 aces that Hamas demanded as part of the deal, Marwan Bargaty and 119 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,600 and three others were removed from the list of terrorists who 120 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,000 were said to be released under the ceasefire agreement that 121 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,040 went into effect early Friday morning. 122 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,520 Now, before I go on with the quote here, .5 F of the 123 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,440 implementation steps for President Trump's proposal for 124 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,800 the the end of the Gaza war, which was signed, as you said, 125 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,440 said. And I quote, as Hamas releases 126 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,960 all the hostages, Israel were released in parallel the 127 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,200 corresponding number of Palestinian prisoners as per the 128 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,120 attached lists. And Barghodi's name was on that 129 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,560 list and that was approved by, amongst others, Witkoff. 130 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:06,960 And today, as we mentioned, the phrase employed by the Israeli 131 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,880 government was and quote, at this point in time, he will not 132 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,480 be part of the release process. And that quote goes on to say as 133 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,480 Hamas releases all the hostages, Israel will release in parallel 134 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,320 the corresponding number of parallel prisoners. 135 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,120 But they're they're not adhering to the terms that were signed. 136 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,040 So where does that leave the agreement? 137 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,400 So that they already told basically the Americans to get 138 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,920 stuffed will decide who's going to be on the list. 139 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,680 So they've already basically gone bad on their own sort of 140 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,760 side of the agreement. So that's Israeli opening 141 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,480 gambit. Marwan Barghouti. 142 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,080 To call him a terrorist ace or terrorist mastermind is patently 143 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,680 ridiculous. These are practically elderly 144 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,000 men by this point. They've been sentenced to life 145 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,080 in prison and their main crime is their potential political 146 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,640 leaders of of a Palestinian state that is their chief crime. 147 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,200 So all of these people will either be assassinated or put in 148 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,360 prison until they die. That is the Israeli policy and 149 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,920 that's how they keep it Palestine down and and always 150 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,160 have the excuse to say we don't have a negotiating partner says, 151 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,480 says Netanyahu. Yeah, because you killed them 152 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,000 all or they're in prison. So I mean this, this, this goes 153 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,200 to show you what a farce this whole thing has been really for 154 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,280 the last 40 years, the whole. And in fact, wasn't a couple of 155 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,840 months ago that Ben Kaferi went to at him in prison and was 156 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,760 basically gloating effectively, you're never getting out and you 157 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,760 know, we will destroy the lot of you sort of thing was what he 158 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,080 was doing at the time. It was pretty unpleasant. 159 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,240 The defense minister, yes, Yeah, that's exactly what happened. 160 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,760 Pretty incredible stuff, Mike. But we can talk more about this 161 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,600 ceasefire with our next guest at the end. 162 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,880 Well, maybe you'll ask her her opinion, but I want to welcome 163 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,880 on to the program Yara Mardarelli. 164 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,920 She's a journalist. She is also a crew member on the 165 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,600 Global Summit Flotilla will put their their X account up here on 166 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,680 screen so people can see it. I encourage everyone to fall. 167 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:04,520 They've got a lot of followers in the last week. 168 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,920 And this is the main flotilla that had over 40 boats that 169 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,200 tried to break the siege in Gaza. 170 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:13,800 And Yara, who we have on the line right now, she is one of 171 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,640 those crew members who is just, she's recently been released and 172 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,120 allowed to come home. She's going to talk briefly with 173 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,960 us with the UK column about her experience. 174 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,320 Welcome to the program, Yara. Hi, thank you for having me. 175 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,440 It's a real pleasure to see you and of course everyone's very 176 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,880 happy to see that you're well as well as your your crew mates and 177 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,120 your comrades on that incredible mission, very important mission. 178 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,160 But just to get started, for those people who don't know you, 179 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,320 Yara, how did you get involved in the Global Summit Flotilla 180 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,520 and and what is the Global Summit Flotilla? 181 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,800 So the Global Sumud Flotilla is a coalition of the Freedom 182 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:56,640 Flotilla. The Sumud convoy, which parallel 183 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,720 to the Global March to Gaza, were both attempting to March to 184 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,880 the Rafa crossing and I was part of the Global March to Gaza. 185 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:10,960 After we were sabotaged by the Egyptian secret police via 186 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:15,640 Israel, we attempted to break the siege by sea. 187 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,680 And so we reconvened in Tunisia and started organizing and I 188 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:25,240 quickly kind of became a Co head of of communications at the 189 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,040 Global Summit Flotilla and part of the organizing committee. 190 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,640 And so tell, tell us about this journey yard. 191 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,000 How you know, when did you disembark? 192 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,400 I know there was a huge gathering in, in in Barcelona, 193 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,040 in Spain, but boats came from all over the Mediterranean. 194 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,840 How did it start? How long was the journey? 195 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,480 Just tell us briefly about how how how your experience with 196 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,120 that. So we were at sea for around a 197 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,560 month. Of course we had. 198 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,960 We started out with around 70 plus boats on the journey. 199 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,680 Of course some had failures, couldn't continue for different, 200 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,760 different reasons and we ended up with 42 boats in total. 201 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,640 We departed from the port in Barcelona with around 20 plus 202 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,080 boats and then on the first leg of the journey headed to 203 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,160 Tunisia. In Tunisia we were as many might 204 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,200 have as many who might have followed along. 205 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,680 We were we were attacked for the first time by Israel. 206 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,600 My lead boat, which was the Alma was drone struck one day after 207 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,280 the family boat was drone struck. 208 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,680 And those were the large, the large ships that were kind of 209 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:36,680 the mother boats riding fuel to all the smaller vessels. 210 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,280 And so we were at risk of attack. 211 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,560 We were attacked once in Tunisia. 212 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,600 And subsequently then we were attacked by 15 drones which 213 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:52,720 exploded above people's heads on the sailing boats in close to 214 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,920 Greek territorial waters just a few days after we left Tunisia. 215 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:04,280 And these were intimidation and fear tactics employed by Israel, 216 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,040 of course, to scare us, to scare participants out of the mission, 217 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,120 but they didn't work. We continued sailing and and 218 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,200 then we were of course, as, as people know, intercepted, 219 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,200 illegally kidnapped in international waters around 17 220 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,560 miles from from the shores of Gaza. 221 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,160 And, and Jara, there there was the reports that Italy, Spain, 222 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:31,200 Greece had deployed naval vessels to escort to support you 223 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,360 Turkey as well. What, what was the truth behind 224 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,520 that? Because how much help were they 225 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,160 giving you out of those countries? 226 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,040 Were any of them better than others? 227 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,560 What what? What are your thoughts on on 228 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:46,880 that side? So the Greek warship only 229 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,040 accompanied us until we actually left Greek territorial waters 230 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,560 and then turned back. The Italian vessels were a 231 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:57,480 complete PR stunt, no help whatsoever. 232 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,080 The Spanish fleet, we actually never saw it, turned around 233 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,840 before we even got to see it. And the only fleet that actually 234 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,480 delivered any kind of help was the Turkish fleet actually, 235 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,000 which came up to the Alma, our boat, and provided a bunch of 236 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,720 humanitarian in aid. But that was about it. 237 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,240 When we were in our hour of need and we needed the warships, when 238 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,120 Israel kidnapped us, illegally abducted us, there were no 239 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,320 worships to be seen. So to us, it was performative 240 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,800 politics. It was we didn't expect anyone 241 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,480 to come to our assistance or help. 242 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,480 But you know, these, these warships did for us. 243 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,560 They they were barely visible, barely there. 244 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:45,560 That's interesting. A lot of people believe if they 245 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,560 stuck with you that would have created a lot of problems for 246 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:51,040 the Israelis. But this is a different 247 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,720 discussion. Maybe we can have another time, 248 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,280 but tell us about your crew mates. 249 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:59,000 There was some incredible people involved, my understanding, all 250 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,840 volunteers from all around the world. 251 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,480 Many people applied their limited positions as crew 252 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,960 members and there's some very high profile people as well. 253 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,000 What was it like and what were some of the things that you can 254 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,520 say about some of your your your comrades there on the mission? 255 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,560 Only good things, I mean we had around 30,000 plus applications, 256 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,800 which which says it all, like 30,000 people are willing to put 257 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,720 their bodies on the line, potentially risk attacks, if not 258 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,240 worse by the scientist entity to, to bring humanitarian aid to 259 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:41,360 the besieged people of Gaza. On my vessel, on my ship, I had 260 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,600 the honour to be with Mandela, Mandela, Mandela and Greta 261 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:52,280 Thunberg and a lot of Thai keiki that many, many people know is 262 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,360 an absolutely amazing activist and also Leila Hegazi, US 263 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,840 activist, among other absolutely phenomenal activists who have 264 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:07,680 been working tirelessly towards Palestinian liberation for most, 265 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,120 most of their lives. So it was a real honour and a 266 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,280 real pleasure to be surrounded by such incredibly inspiring 267 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:20,440 individuals who were at the same time and very, very humble. 268 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,400 And we, you know, were sailing together for around a month. 269 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:30,560 And so we became close comrades and friends and almost family 270 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,080 in, you know, on a, on a, on a boat for, for a month. 271 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,880 You can never escape your comrades. 272 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,920 And we had the absolute joy and pleasure to have built very, 273 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,720 very strong relationships, and lasting relationships at that. 274 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,760 And probably probably the most famous, at least at the moment 275 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,080 in global politics was Greta Thunberg. 276 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,800 She was famous as an environmental activist. 277 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,160 But for the, since October 7th, she has become extremely vocal, 278 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,760 extremely active on the, the, the genocide in Gaza. 279 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,920 Just tell us about what it was like to, to, to, to be with her, 280 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,760 to work on this effort with her. And also what there's there's 281 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,600 stories about what the Israelis did they they, they singled her 282 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:21,200 out for abuse when her her boat was apprehended. 283 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,240 Tell us a little bit about what you know with with regards to 284 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:29,040 Greta. Greta is Greta is exactly as she 285 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,880 portrays herself to be. You know, Greta does not want 286 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,920 the spotlight. She does not want to be seen as 287 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,640 a hero. Neither do any of us. 288 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,200 And she makes that very, very clear in each and every 289 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,800 interview she does, umm, you know, she's using her privilege 290 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,400 and her platform to shed light on what is happening in Gaza on 291 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,960 this ongoing genocide ceasefire or not. 292 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,800 Umm, and she's, she's an incredibly humble and kind and, 293 00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:00,520 and genuine, uh, uh, person. She was of course singled out, 294 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,280 but this is not something that she, uh, even wants to bring to 295 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,160 the media because she does not want to become the story. 296 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,359 But of course the media has heard how she was draped in the 297 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:17,319 Israeli flag, kicked repeatedly, made to kiss the Israeli flag, 298 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:23,200 and just continually abused and mentally and physically abused 299 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,240 by by this entity. Time and time again. 300 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,480 Every day I would see her get dragged out of her cell and get 301 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:38,640 brought in front of high IOF generals to discuss, in their 302 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,960 words, the reason why we're there and to understand why 303 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,080 we're why we're so adamant on bringing humanitarian aid to to 304 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,560 a besieged population. Very, very strange, very, very 305 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,360 bizarre. They wanted to kind of convert 306 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:57,960 her to to their cause, which of course did not work at all. 307 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,600 And tell us about the time of apprehension. 308 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,640 So you're all you knew that it was coming. 309 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,320 I mean, as you get closer and you started getting drone 310 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,680 attacks, you start seeing their sort of ships circling you, 311 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,000 hailing your vessels and so forth. 312 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,360 And so you've been trained on a protocol. 313 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,960 You're live streaming this from your boats. 314 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,120 But yet at that point, you have to kind of, I heard, get rid of 315 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:24,360 your devices. Tell us about the time of 316 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:26,920 apprehension, what that was like, what was going through 317 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,680 your minds? And then they brought you back 318 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,040 to, to, to, to maximum security prison, apparently. 319 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,400 Go ahead. Yeah, yeah. 320 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,320 As you know, Israel was trying to manufacture consent to attack 321 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:45,600 us for weeks, calling us terrorists and putting out 322 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,120 fabricated reports of of of us being terrorists and each 323 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:52,720 participant being guilty by association, therefore giving 324 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,640 them a a right to attack us. Where after the warships came, I 325 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,720 think realized that there was a lot of global pressure from the 326 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,960 people, not necessarily from our states. 327 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,080 Our states only brought the warship because of the pressure 328 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:13,200 that people globally put onto them, protecting us and 329 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:19,280 demanding a safe passage. We were abducted, you know, in 330 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,120 kind of almost one by one at sea. 331 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,240 They came for the big ships first. 332 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,960 We had been encircled by around 12, uh, military vessels and 333 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:36,560 they brought a floating, uh, prison, um, very dystopian and 334 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,880 bizarre and, uh, water cannons and comes jamming boats. 335 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,520 So they came with a whole kind of fleet of boats, uh, to umm, 336 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,840 try to intercept us. Or they of course had, uh, we 337 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,200 noticed they did not have the capacity, they barely had the 338 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,840 capacity to intercept us all. So they sure as hell don't have 339 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,360 the capacity to intercept 100 boats when we go back and break 340 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:02,280 the siege next time, uh, which we realise is absolutely 341 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,760 possible. But yeah, they abducted us, uh, 342 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,720 illegally in international waters, brought us to the port 343 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,080 of Ashdod where we saw the Madeline and the Handala, umm, 344 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,520 put out as trophies of, uh, boats. 345 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,920 That they stole in previous interceptions and then they 346 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:24,920 attempted to humiliate us and and psychologically and 347 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,600 physically tortured us for the the coming days. 348 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:34,240 Yes, and and also so Ben Gavir is a sort of very far right 349 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,520 extremist, you know, calling for the annihilation of the 350 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,240 Palestinians, the extermination, ethnic cleansing and so forth. 351 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,000 So you had a you and your caught your your crewmates had a direct 352 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,080 kind of confrontation with him or he was trolling you. 353 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,840 He had all of you from what the reports that we see tied up in a 354 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,800 yard where he was shouting at you, but you guys and yourself 355 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,040 as well shouted back. He put the video on social 356 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,080 media. We'll show this video now and 357 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,040 it'll give you give give our viewers a kind of a sense of 358 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,760 what the scene was like and then we'll get your comment on it. 359 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,080 But let's go ahead and roll this. 360 00:21:30,440 --> 00:22:03,680 I. I mean, apologies to our viewers 361 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,400 for having to show you Ben Gavir for over a minute, but we'll, 362 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,800 we'll hand it back to you. What was that like, Yara? 363 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,720 I mean, to me, the most outrageous thing about this 364 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,240 video is that they threw our aid overboard our aid, which was 365 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,880 widely documented in hundreds of videos, that they threw it 366 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,400 overboard and that our aid and the baby formula that 367 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,880 Palestinians desperately need and the medicine, etcetera is 368 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,320 all floating in the Mediterranean now. 369 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,480 That's how depraved the Israelis are. 370 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,280 Him calling us terrorists was all part of a smear campaign 371 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,000 that was running for weeks and weeks to try to, to attack us 372 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,120 into, to get to put us in, in Ketsuya prison in the Negev 373 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:48,120 desert, a maximum security prison where they hold 374 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:51,480 Palestinians, where they torture Palestinians and where they kill 375 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,920 Palestinians. Just a couple of days ago, a 376 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,680 Palestinian died in in, in detention, in administrative 377 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,920 detention. And 10,000 plus Palestinians are 378 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,440 still being held in administrative detention even 379 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:11,000 after the 2000 Palestinians are released in this so-called peace 380 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,440 deal. And there will still be 8000 381 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,240 plus Palestinians, 450 of which are children. 382 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,960 You know, Ben Gavir calling us terrorists came as no surprise 383 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,280 to us, but it was very cathartic to be able to tell him that 384 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,640 Israel is committing A genocide and that he's a baby killer. 385 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,400 Something that startled him quite a bit, because I think it 386 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,240 must have been one of the first times that he was faced with 500 387 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,520 humanitarians that are kind of pointing the mirror back at him 388 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,800 and showing him who the real terrorist and Madre is. 389 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,840 Yeah, and he edited your your all your comments that shouting 390 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,400 at he edited out his social media video, which was 391 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,720 interesting, but he was also trolling you. 392 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,920 This is the defense minister for Netanyahu came to the prison to 393 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,720 troll you putting a picture, We'll bring this up on screen of 394 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,520 of what the what was he called this the future Gaza. 395 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,640 And he made you guys look at it every day or whenever you pass 396 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,080 by. It was it was part of the 397 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,760 psychological warfare they were playing on you. 398 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,880 Explain that part briefly if you could. 399 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,680 Yeah, this, this set the new Gaza in Arabic. 400 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,240 This was a poster of a completely annihilated and 401 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:24,000 bombed apocalyptic looking Gaza, which, you know, in the prison 402 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,720 courtyard, the cells were all next to each other and the 403 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,720 courtyard was in front of us. So each time you would look out 404 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,640 the window, you would see this huge poster, below it an Israeli 405 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,040 flag, and below it a pool of what I can only describe was 406 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,640 blood. So every single day I woke up 407 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,320 and I looked out the cell, I could imagine was, my God, what 408 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,160 have they done to Palestinians here? 409 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,200 If they treated us in the way that they did as uh, uh, many 410 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,560 times they, umm, actually threatened to gas us, gas us. 411 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,600 Umm, we were, uh, and, and when we asked, uh, when we told them 412 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,120 that they're not allowed to pepper spray us, they said, no, 413 00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:05,000 not that kind of gas. So they were threatening us. 414 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,600 They were pointing snipers at us. 415 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,720 They were keeping essential life saving medications from people 416 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,520 with cancer, people with heart problems, people with diabetes 417 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,800 who desperately needed insulin. People were fainting. 418 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:22,320 You know, this was happening every single day. 419 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,600 And instead of helping us, their answer when we asked for medics 420 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,520 was that they would gas us. Or at another juncture, an 421 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,760 answer, but by a guard was, is she dead? 422 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,920 Referring to a friend of mine who had fainted. 423 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,880 Is she dead? Because if she's not dead, it's 424 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,400 not an emergency. And I quote her directly. 425 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,440 So this was aside from the fact that we got no drinkable water, 426 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,560 we got, we were drinking from from brown water in the bathroom 427 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,800 because they weren't providing clean drinking water. 428 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,080 We were getting a couple of slices of stale bread and rice 429 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,360 that had been left out in the sun all day, which is also quite 430 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:07,000 dangerous. Among all of these kind of 431 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,160 different things that they were doing, they were also directly 432 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,240 pointing snipers at our heads and keeping us from sleeping by 433 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,440 coming into our cells every couple of hours and just moving 434 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,840 you to a different cell at 2:00 AM for no reason whatsoever. 435 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,360 So these were all techniques that they employed. 436 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:28,840 But of course, if they do this with us, imagine how they treat 437 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,920 Palestinians. And well, here's a just a photo 438 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,400 of you on your release. This is as you're coming back to 439 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,560 Spain off of a chartered flight that the Israelis used to deport 440 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,080 you, took your passports, didn't let you have them until you 441 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,320 landed back in Europe. So, but it's great to see all of 442 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,440 you that you're back and that you're OK. 443 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,600 At least most of the crew that we've seen are in good spirits. 444 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,120 So again, we're we'd like, we'd like to continue this 445 00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,840 conversation another time, Yara, but we really appreciate you 446 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,280 sharing your your story with us here on the UK column News Yara 447 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,320 Mondarelli, thank you so much. Thank you. 448 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,880 Thanks for having me. OK, brilliant. 449 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,480 Thank you, Yara. And well, Yara is off now to 450 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,800 have another interview and hopefully she gets as much 451 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,880 coverage as possible. Patrick. 452 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,440 Well, look, let's move on then. And the other news from this 453 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,400 morning, of course, is that the Nobel committee has announced 454 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,960 the winner of the Peace Prize. So let's just have a look at, 455 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,480 let's just have a look at the first clip of this because we've 456 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,000 got a couple of clips from the announcement. 457 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,560 But let's just listen to a few seconds of what was said at the 458 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:51,360 beginning. The Nobel Peace Prize for 2025 459 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:56,400 goes to a brave and committed champion of peace and. 460 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,000 And Patrick, you know, when I heard that, I just, the first 461 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,760 name that came to mind was Donald Trump. 462 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,760 It's gonna be 7 wars, 7 wars. Is it? 463 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,160 Is it not? Did he win? 464 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,280 Did he not win? Well, this was posted on the 465 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,760 official Israeli Prime Minister's Twitter account. 466 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,640 We'll bring this up here. That's an AI generated image. 467 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,000 This is on Netanyahu's official X account right here. 468 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,880 So this is they, they want Donald Trump to win. 469 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,760 Netanyahu himself recommended or nominated Trump. 470 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,280 Should Israel be allowed to nominate anybody for the Nobel 471 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,960 Peace Prize? I mean, it's crazy world we're 472 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,440 living in here. But we'll see, I guess, what 473 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,080 we'll find out. Well, let's find out. 474 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,600 To a woman who keeps the flame of democracy burning amidst a 475 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:53,600 growing darkness, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to 476 00:28:53,600 --> 00:29:00,960 award the Nobel Peace Prize for 2025 To Maria Corina Machado. 477 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,400 She is receiving the Nobel Peace Prize for her tireless work 478 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:13,640 promoting democratic rights for the people of Venezuela and for 479 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:19,640 her struggle to achieve a just and peaceful transition from 480 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:26,000 dictatorship to democracy. As the leader of the democratic 481 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:31,120 forces in Venezuela, Maria Corina Machado is one of the 482 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:36,480 most extraordinary examples of civilian courage in Latin 483 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:42,720 America in recent times. Miss Machado has been a key 484 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:48,680 unifying figure in a political opposition that was once deeply 485 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,080 divided, an opposition that found common ground in the 486 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,960 demand for free election and representative government. 487 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,120 Well, apparently Trump didn't get it. 488 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:09,040 It'll probably complain it's a DEI award, but it's goes deeper 489 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,320 than that. And we'll show you how deep this 490 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,360 goes, actually. And so that's the the headlines 491 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,520 here. Maria Cortina Machado wins the 492 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,080 Nobel gong. I think we can call it a gong at 493 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,360 this point because the awards been thoroughly discredited 494 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,640 there. But they're calling her the 495 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,920 leader of the democratic forces of Venezuela. 496 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,480 That's like a military wing, but it's not. 497 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,880 It's funny you use the term democratic forces. 498 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,200 This is a hugely politicized award by the Nobel Committee. 499 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,280 I will argue Mike, this is the most politicized Nobel Peace 500 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,000 Prize award ever. Well, isn't Venezuela absolutely 501 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000 the top of Trump's regime change list? 502 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,160 They're being attacked right now by the US, and this goes very 503 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,160 deep indeed. We'll show you a little bit 504 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,760 about this here. Now, this is what you have to 505 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,280 realize right now. the United States recognizes the Venezuelan 506 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,680 opposition leader, Edmundo Gonzalez as the president of the 507 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,960 country. So this is the new Juan Guaido. 508 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,160 The Americans just said we, that's our that's the guy that 509 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,360 we think is president didn't go, he didn't go through, you know, 510 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,800 any of the due process, wasn't elected to anything. 511 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,040 But the US didn't like Maduro. So that's it. 512 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:22,240 So what's interesting here is Gonzalez, let's take a look at 513 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:28,400 this. He has made Maria Cortina 514 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,040 Machado installed her as as executive vice president. 515 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,080 So if he steps down, she becomes the US recognized quote 516 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,760 president even though she's not elected to anything. 517 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,400 Now, there's been accusations ever since 2005, Mike, that this 518 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:50,720 woman is ACIA asset and this is the just type in Maria Quintino 519 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,200 Machado CIA asset into Google. And you can do your own research 520 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,960 on this. There's plenty to look at there. 521 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,640 And I've I thought, is there any legs to this accusation, Mike? 522 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,120 So I did a little digging as we do on this program and let's 523 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,280 take a look at that for a minute. 524 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,880 Well, this is an interesting story from a year ago. 525 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,960 Venezuela's attorney general to CNNNGO Sumat has no electoral 526 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,240 authority. What is Sumat? 527 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:20,200 Sumat is an NGO that monitors Venezuelan elections and 528 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,760 controls polling stations. Who funds SUMAT? 529 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,120 Well, it's none other than the National Endowment for 530 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,400 Democracy. That is a known CIA cut out 531 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,360 front. And who is the founder of SUMAT? 532 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,080 And this might shock you or it might not. 533 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,000 It is none other than Maria Cortina Machado. 534 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,760 So the accusations of her being ACIA asset, I'm afraid look very 535 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,200 credible at this point, Mike. And so you're looking at here a 536 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:56,320 massive regime change operation. And I don't know if we have one 537 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,800 more slide here, but yeah, this is how the media are are 538 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,800 positioning her. Look at this. 539 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,800 Who is more, this is Reuters, the opposition leader. 540 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,160 Here's Brookings Institute, that's the Hudson Institute 541 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,680 here. Maduro menace a conversation 542 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,120 with Maria Manchata, there's Brookings there bring bring 543 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,480 their case to the OAS Organization of American States. 544 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,520 Rolling Stone will prevail. Opposition leader is not giving 545 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,200 up. So they're positioning her. 546 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,320 Clearly this is and this is Marco Rubio and Trump. 547 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,440 So Trump is backing this Venezuelan and the Trump 548 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,920 administration backing her for regime change in Venezuela. 549 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,280 It's clear as day, Mike. Now, why would they be doing 550 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,080 that, Patrick? Why would they be doing that? 551 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,880 Is that anything to do with the fact that Venezuela supports 552 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,440 Palestinian cause? It might be, but probably more 553 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,600 so because Venezuela has the second largest proven oil 554 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,720 reserves in the world and mostly most of it's been taken offline 555 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,200 under the first Trump administration. 556 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,560 They stole the Venezuelan state oil company SITCO, stole their 557 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,040 assets, liquidated some of it and gave it to 1 Guido and 558 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,640 nobody knows what happened with the money. 559 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,440 We're talking about hundreds of of 1,000,000 billions in fact by 560 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,520 the end of it. But that it's also a 561 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,840 geopolitical thing. It's wrestling control. 562 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,280 And they have more of a hybrid economy in Venezuela, IE state 563 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,679 directed capitalist socialist hybrid. 564 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,719 Washington does not like this model at all. 565 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,159 They want free market privatization, open it up for 566 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,199 speculation and just vulture capitalism. 567 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:32,159 That's and the the Chavez and Maduro are keeping that at Bay. 568 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,239 This is really what it's about. OK, Thank you, Patrick. 569 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,760 Let's move on. If you like what the UK column 570 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,840 do, does we do need your ongoing financial support. 571 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,000 If you have a look at the front page of the website, you'll find 572 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,960 all kinds of content on there. 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Now in a minute, I may be 592 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:58,200 mentioning and passing the issue of digital ID. 593 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,200 So I just want to finish this outbreak by mentioning another 594 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,040 event in Glasgow tomorrow. If you can possibly get along to 595 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,560 that. If you're in Glasgow, please do 596 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,880 so. So they're meeting at the bottom 597 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,400 of Jamaica St. by the River Clyde near the Crystal Palace 598 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,640 pub and Central Station at midday tomorrow. 599 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,360 So if you can get along to that, please do so. 600 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,200 OK, Now, Keir Starmer, our illustrious Prime Minister, has 601 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,120 been in India to meet Prime Minister Modi. 602 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,520 There they are, they look very happy together. 603 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,480 He signed a £350 million contract to supply the Indian 604 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,520 military with UK manufactured lightweight missiles as part of 605 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,960 a deepening weapons and defence partnership between EU the two 606 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,560 countries. This is how the UK government 607 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,880 describes it. They describe it as a new 608 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,240 milestone reached in in UK, India, Defence industrial 609 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:58,120 collaboration. But get this Patrick, they talk 610 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,360 about a new milestone in defence industrial collaboration on 611 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,040 electric powered engines for naval ships. 612 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,400 How does that work if you're sailing, bearing in mind anybody 613 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,760 that has an electric car and you're trying to trying to drive 614 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,880 up the M5 or something and you get to Bristol and it's got no 615 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,720 power anymore and you got to park the thing up for three 616 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:19,760 hours to charge it up. What are they going to do with 617 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,800 these these these naval ships with electric motors? 618 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,000 Are they going to park them in the middle of the Indian Ocean 619 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,640 and provide some kind of far back for them to to recharge? 620 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,160 What are they gonna do? Maybe Elon will have a a network 621 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,960 of of charging stations in the ocean or they could have 622 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:40,120 retractable sails which they could put up or solar panels. 623 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,880 It'll be a slower journey, of course, taking a major tankers 624 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,000 with solar panels. But Mike? 625 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,040 No, we're talking about military Navy ships. 626 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,880 Navy ships, OK, but I think the best solution is of course the 627 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,880 most green one is to have diesel generators on the ship so they 628 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,680 can recharge the batteries, right. 629 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,800 That's. Anyway, anyways, getting back to 630 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,160 the missile part of it, this contract is going to, they say 631 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,000 deliver UK manufactured lightweight multi role missiles 632 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,080 built in Belfast to the Indian Army. 633 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,120 And this of course, is all part of the British regime's plan for 634 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,320 change and the provision of jobs, as you know, jobs. 635 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,760 Hundreds of new jobs. Hundreds of new jobs linked to 636 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,200 the deaths of other people. So. 637 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,880 So that's all good stuff. But in the meantime then, 638 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:32,240 somebody else that Starmer met was Nandan Nilikani, which who's 639 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:38,320 the very he's effectively responsible for the thorny issue 640 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:45,600 of digital ID in India. So Nilikani is part of emphasis. 641 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,320 Yeah, sorry, emphasis. He's sort of the head of 642 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,680 emphasis at the moment. And they are behind the roll out 643 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,120 of digital ID to 1.4 billion Indian citizens or so. 644 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,040 Now, interestingly, Sam Coats from Sky News asked Starmer 645 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,280 about this. He said this is during the 646 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,360 closing press conference. But he said that Starmer was 647 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,200 quote, infused by a fresh enthusiasm for the plan for 648 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,240 digital ID because Coats felt that that Starmer's was feeling 649 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,360 a bit deflated by the response from the British public on the 650 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,720 issue. But having spoken to the and 651 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,400 seen the way it operates in India, he's really excited about 652 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,160 it, which is really a bit unfortunate because really the 653 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,120 timing of this hasn't gone so well for them. 654 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,360 This is Discord, and this is Discord's Twitter feed today. 655 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,160 And actually, there's nothing about what's happened to Discord 656 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,160 on their Twitter feed. They seem to be just blanking 657 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,720 the whole thing. They're not acknowledging it 658 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,680 publicly at all it seems, at least as far as their social 659 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,960 media is concerned. And why am I mentioning Discord? 660 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,000 Well, because they have admitted to losing 70,000 government 661 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,240 issued IDs as a result of a hack. 662 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,560 Now that number in my opinion is a massive understatement. 663 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,160 The hackers themselves claim to have stolen data from 5.5 664 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,360 million unique users. The hack wasn't of Discord 665 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,200 itself, but it was of the age verification company the the 666 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,000 company that they had outsourced the age verification situation 667 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,400 to, which was Zendesk. And, and so the question is 668 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,520 bearing in mind the Starmer regime is about to consult on 669 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,200 digital ID for not only adults, for for children aged 13 to 16. 670 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,160 And of course, as we've been talking about over the last lot 671 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,640 of months, this is closely related to the age verification 672 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,760 regime brought in by the Online Safety Act. 673 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:36,840 Should the British government not be slightly embarrassed 674 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,920 about the fact that, you know, an age verification corporation 675 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,560 has has lost this amount of which just exposes people to 676 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,120 identity theft? Well, the solution to that, 677 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,320 Mike, is just make sure that an Israeli company is managing all 678 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,640 of that data and then there's nothing to worry about because 679 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,840 they're our best friends. Israel, by the way, Infosys in 680 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,400 India. Is that the same Infosys that 681 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,360 Rishi Sunak's family is? I couldn't possibly comment. 682 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,040 Heavily invested in father-in-law to the tune of 683 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,560 over half a billion dollars or something like that. 684 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,760 Is that the same Infosys? It is. 685 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,280 It is, but it's. So interesting. 686 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,600 Starmer. Starmer was elected on change. 687 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,120 And of course, if you're elected on change, you make sure you 688 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,280 employ the same people that were proposed in the original. 689 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,760 He's hoping for some spare change from the Infosys mergers, 690 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,080 and that would be. That would be an allegation, I 691 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,600 would say. They they wouldn't do that, 692 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:35,280 would they? No, they would. 693 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,000 No, of course not. But anyway, let's move on then. 694 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,400 You mentioned Israel again, but let's look at what's going on 695 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,440 militarily there. Well, look at the what? 696 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:45,960 What? This new report came out here. 697 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,720 Look at this. This is from Responsible State 698 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:49,200 Crab. He's doing some pretty good work 699 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,200 lately. This is a Quincy Institute in 700 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,920 the United States. 20 So they reckon since October 7th, the 701 00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,120 United States has forked out 21.7 billion in military aid to 702 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,840 fuel Israel's war on Gaza. This is a new report here. 703 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,200 This is academic level report. And this is the the the gist of 704 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,360 it here, Mike. Israel could not have wreaked 705 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,160 the level of destruction it inflicted on Gaza without US 706 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,000 weapons and financing. And US provided them the ability 707 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,200 to widen the war to to the broader region that would have 708 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,680 been severely undermined had they not had US support. 709 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,960 A very important point here, very important. 710 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,520 But on this issue of supplying weapons to Israel, some European 711 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,240 countries are now finding themselves at leaders and 712 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,800 corporations are finding themselves at the other end of 713 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,800 the legal tunnel on this issue. And here's one, believe it or 714 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,360 not, Giorgio Maloney, Italian Prime Minister, she is named in 715 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,120 an ICC complaint alleging complicity in the Gaza genocide 716 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,400 here. The details of this are the 717 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,080 important part. So we want to 1st actually, 718 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,880 we'll we'll look at the her reaction to this. 719 00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,040 Let's go ahead and roll that clip. 720 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:26,480 La France. 721 00:43:34,680 --> 00:44:13,600 De la Palestina. So. 722 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,120 So she's clearly in a defensive mode on that. 723 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,280 So let's go on and look at the what could be behind her denial 724 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,920 or her response there. And we'll bring this up on 725 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,760 screen right now. And this is what this is from 726 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,560 our global affairs editor of 21st Century Wide. 727 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,120 Despite Maloney's nervous reaction, the move is not 728 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,280 unexpected given the comparable actions have already been taken 729 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,920 throughout Europe. In Germany, legal actions have 730 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,640 been filed with the ICC local courts targeting government 731 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,320 officials, arms manufacturers for alleged involvement in the 732 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,520 genocide in Gaza. But here's the important point. 733 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,920 This is from France. 100 lawyers in France have officially 734 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,720 requested the ICC to look into France's potential complicity in 735 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:03,440 Emmanuel Macron's complicity in the genocide in Gaza. 736 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,760 This is happening in multiple European countries. 737 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,120 And just another point to add here. 738 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,560 And this according to the Stockholm International Peace 739 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,080 Research Institute. It's a very good think tank, by 740 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,440 the way. I've cited them before. 741 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,560 Until, until he was among three nations exported major 742 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,160 conventional arms. So Maloney's saying we haven't 743 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,320 sent anything since October 7th, but she's just talking about new 744 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,840 orders. They kept fulfilling old orders. 745 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,240 But this is exactly what the British regime did as well. 746 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:33,480 They said we're going to stop sending arms to to Gaza, but 747 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,600 let's ignore all the billions of pounds worth of contracts that 748 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,320 already exist because they're going to be fulfilled. 749 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,760 And some of them slip through which you'll at the F35 parts 750 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,880 from Leonardo in Italy. But back back to this quote here 751 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,040 in this that that was between 2020 and 2024. 752 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,440 So the overlap of October 7th, but, but it's noteworthy, the 753 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,960 United States and Germany accounted for a staggering 99% 754 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,120 of exports in a broader category of large weaponry. 755 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,120 So Germany and the United States far and away and then Britain is 756 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,920 a sort of trailing 3rd place on that in terms of supplying 757 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,400 weapons to enable this genocide in Gaza. 758 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,120 So I think the ball is just beginning to roll on this story, 759 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,600 Mike. And you can see the panic. 760 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,080 Is this why all the European countries are suddenly 761 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,160 recognizing A Palestinian state? They. 762 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,280 Think that's going to stay off potential ICC prosecutions? 763 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,640 They're trying to create a public relations barrier to 764 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,520 protect themselves, perhaps. I, I personally, I think it's, 765 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:30,840 it's for other things as well to buy to help by time and give the 766 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,760 impression that there's some kind of peace deal so that the 767 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,920 Arab countries will back Tony Blair's Gaza Riviera Project, 768 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,640 Blair and Trump's debacle there in Gaza. 769 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,080 But anyway, that's a discussion for later. 770 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,640 OK, let's well what was Lincoln and do that up to? 771 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,560 Well, I don't know, but I, I didn't supply this, this image, 772 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,040 but I mean seeing that it's up here, right? 773 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,200 OK, well, I had to apologize. Is this? 774 00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,880 Is this recent? No, this is not recent. 775 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,800 This is. This is actually an error, so 776 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,800 I'm going to apologize for that. Let's let's just. 777 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,080 It's a horrific picture by the. Way it is, yeah. 778 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,160 Yeah. OK, Look, I want to just mention 779 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,720 what's going been going on in the South China Sea and the last 780 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:18,080 few days because Exercise Bersama Lima has finished. 781 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,480 And on the Twitter feed, which is what you should have seen 782 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,160 there, it said Exercise Bersama Lima has wrapped up. 783 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,160 Now they said that Bersama Alida 25 is the largest of a series of 784 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,040 annual exercise exercises delivered by the nations of the 785 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,120 five Paris Defence agreements arrangements. 786 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,080 That's the UK, Australia, Malaysia, New Zealand and 787 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,560 Singapore over 2 weeks, they said. 788 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,200 The UK joined Malaysia, Singapore, Australia and New 789 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,480 Zealand for training across sea, air and land. 790 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,720 And this is a building, sorry. I'm building on this exercise 791 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,960 that that included military training, but it also included 792 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,040 sporting and cultural exchange activities aimed at building 793 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,720 personal connections and enhancing cooperation among the 794 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:07,320 five participating nations. So this is a well, let's just 795 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,200 just let's just put this little bit of video on screen here so 796 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,560 you can get an idea of what it looked like. 797 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,840 But it's, it's a pretty pathetic attempt at at Sabre rattling 798 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,560 towards China and perhaps India as well to a certain degree, 799 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,240 while at the same time running all these sort of cultural 800 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:25,000 exchange things. So. 801 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,000 So this is effectively more about soft power than it is 802 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,600 about hard power. Right, Yeah. 803 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,320 So it's using the military as a type of a soft power. 804 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,080 And but Mike, I mean, that means that they're going to get 805 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,600 together and and confront China in the in the sporting arena 806 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,400 maybe. I mean, they're not messing 807 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,080 around, are they? No, no. 808 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,440 So if you can't beat them on the battlefield, you try to beat 809 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,920 them on the what? The cricket pitch or, I don't 810 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,400 know, rugby or I don't know, football. 811 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,480 Who? Knows maybe. 812 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,880 Pickleball. No Table tennis. 813 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,840 It could be any of these. Cuz this is they. 814 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,200 Haven't got a chance against China. 815 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,000 And table tennis, yeah, cuz I mean, I don't know where they're 816 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,960 going on that actually the cultural side, like what's 817 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,360 involved there? What's that about getting 818 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,880 together, making chapatis like How does that work? 819 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,520 And dancing. We're sort of we're sort of 820 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,680 making fun of this thing in a sense. 821 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,560 It if it wasn't so serious, it's it's, it is a bit of a joke. 822 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,240 But anyway, look at what else has been going on then. 823 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:27,560 So Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper, well, she was in 824 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,360 Northern Ireland yesterday with what she described as European 825 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,880 partners don't see her there. Let's does she? 826 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,000 Oh, there she is. Yeah. 827 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,800 Anyway, so she was there. This is all about the Western 828 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,360 Balkans. So they call this the Western 829 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,120 Balkan Summit, foreign ministers meeting. 830 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,080 It's all about what they described as the importance of 831 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,920 building resilience in the Western Balkans to combat the 832 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,360 constant flood of Russian hybrid threats aimed at destabilizing 833 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,640 the region and finding ethnic tensions. 834 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,000 So I got to suggest that perhaps there's a little bit of 835 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,040 projection on to Russia, what we're doing ourselves as a 836 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,600 nation. I've been hearing rumours of 837 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,360 efforts to restart the Balkans conflict for several months now, 838 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,160 and the British regime has formed on this. 839 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,360 But before we just discuss the form that the British regime 840 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,840 has, let's let's look at the little propaganda video that 841 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,640 they pushed out on it. Nearly 30 years ago, dialogue 842 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,320 between leaders right here helped shape a peaceful future 843 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,040 for Northern Ireland. Today, foreign ministers are 844 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,360 meeting here to discuss preserving peace in the Western 845 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,400 Balkans. But peace is never permanent. 846 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,280 It must be protected. Western Balkans face growing 847 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,680 threats from instability, corruption and criminal gangs, 848 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,040 and close to 22,000 people transited through their last 849 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,880 year. Malign actors, including Russia, 850 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,720 are using cyber attacks and disinformation to stir division 851 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:49,280 and weaken democracy. These threats do not respect 852 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,120 borders. They compromise our shared 853 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,480 security, economic growth and our values. 854 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,960 The UK stands ready to support a secure and prosperous future in 855 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,000 the Western Balkans. From the lessons of Northern 856 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:04,120 Ireland, we look ahead together. So that's their pathetic little 857 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,800 propaganda piece. Now, what they're talking about 858 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,760 is pumping millions of pounds into the Western Balkans to deal 859 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,680 with people smuggling and all these kinds of things. 860 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,040 But of course, we know when, when Foreign Commonwealth Office 861 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,400 money goes into these countries in this, this acts as a front 862 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,120 for other activities. But they're talking about law 863 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,560 enforcement training in Kosovo, stronger border security and as 864 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,120 I say, people trafficking and so on. 865 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,240 Look, one clue about what might be going on here that we might 866 00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:34,720 talk about is whether or not there's any BBC media action 867 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:38,280 activity because and, and whether they have had any 868 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,760 projects running in in this region. 869 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,240 And indeed they have had projects running in Serbia, N 870 00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:47,240 Macedonia, Bosnia and Albania, Kosovo, Montenegro, Croatia and 871 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:49,720 Slovenia. And we've got to remember the 872 00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:53,080 role in Syria just to bring Juliet Harkin, formerly of BBC 873 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,960 Media Action, back on screen, because this is sort of the form 874 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,440 that the British Foreign Office has. 875 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,440 We, BBC Media Action, worked in 2004 with individuals within the 876 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,920 Syrian ministry who wanted change and tried to get them to 877 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,280 be the drivers of that. This organization, just one of 878 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,240 the front organisations that goes into countries as an NGO, 879 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,200 ostensibly in this case for, for journalism training and so on, 880 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,640 but they then use people to create narratives that help 881 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:27,160 destabilise and, and and so on. So I, I absolutely question what 882 00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:29,760 Britain is doing here. Any suggestion that this is 883 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,280 about countering Russian hybrid threats is just nonsensical. 884 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:38,040 This is we are there attempting to destabilise that region as 885 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,400 another front against Russia, in my opinion. 886 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,160 I mean that that propaganda video you showed the beginning 887 00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:46,800 is a is a masterpiece with the the classical score. 888 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,840 And then they're saying peace is never permanent. 889 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,720 Peace is never permanent. Let's think about the Balkans 890 00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:53,760 for a minute. How did the breakup of 891 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,040 Yugoslavia occur? Did that just happen organically 892 00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,960 or did that have anything to do with the EU and NATO forcibly 893 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,280 breaking up that country, including 75 days of bombing by 894 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,640 AUS LED and British LED NATO military campaign to this day. 895 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,280 This scars run deep. And and you know, we're over 20 896 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,800 years from that that conflict, Mike. 897 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,200 So I mean, Western Europe is the reason why there was conflict in 898 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,720 the Balkans. It didn't exist before, but that 899 00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:25,680 was a major geopolitical piece that the Americans wanted to 900 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,400 break up because they're thought they're on a roll because they 901 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,960 just broke up the Soviet Union. That's how history should write 902 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,440 it. But yet we have all this 903 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,680 propaganda that's being shoved down our throats here to prepare 904 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,640 us for what? To accept another war on 905 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,000 European soil and to mobilize? No, we need to the Russians. 906 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,320 Conscription. Yes. 907 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,600 Mark, thank you for your patience. 908 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,800 Let's welcome you to the program at last. 909 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,640 What's what's been going on in the United States on the health 910 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,200 front? Well, you might recall, 911 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,760 gentlemen, good day guys, that last week I reported on the 912 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,680 basic thrust of Make America Healthy Again, Make our Children 913 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:11,360 Healthy Again through RFK's HHS. And no sooner had that come out 914 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,680 then, and we'll show this slide from the Wapo, a democracy dies 915 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,280 in darkness, says the Washington Post. 916 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,120 I think they create some of that darkness. 917 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,240 At any rate, right away, 6 surgeons general shot back. 918 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:28,120 It's our duty to warn the nation about RFK Junior. 919 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,720 So they're not just talking about his policies. 920 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,600 They just don't like RFK himself. 921 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,480 Now, let's name those six surgeons General really quickly. 922 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,720 They're on this next slide. Jerome Adams, who was under 923 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,200 Trump previously, Richard Carmona, Jocelyn Elders under 924 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:51,440 Vivek Murphy under Biden, Antonia Novello under George HW 925 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,880 Bush and David Satcher who also served under Bill Clinton. 926 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,600 Those are the six surgeons general that are shooting back 927 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,040 at Maha and whatnot. At any rate, let's go on from 928 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:11,320 there and take note that the the the basic claims here we are of 929 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,480 the former surgeons general. This is the the overall thrust 930 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,840 of what they're saying. I've really boiled it down a 931 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,240 lot. They're saying, quote, Kennedy 932 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:22,680 has spent decades, and I put emphasis here, advancing 933 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,720 dangerous and discredited claims about vaccines, most notoriously 934 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,560 the thoroughly discredited theory the childhood vaccines 935 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,040 cause autism. Actually there is evidence that 936 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,200 autism is caused by vaccines. Some some vaccines. 937 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,200 He has promoted misinformation about PV vaccine, which protects 938 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,680 against cervical cancer, and he has repeatedly misrepresented, 939 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:49,120 they say, the risk of mRNA technology and coronavirus 940 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,320 vaccines despite their life saving impact during the 941 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,920 pandemic. Life saving impact? 942 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,960 Really. Talk about an only one sided 943 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,760 rebuttal against Kennedy. My goodness anyway. 944 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,160 And of course, Kennedy's former outfit Children's Health Defense 945 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,840 then shot back again back at the surgeons general, saying the ex 946 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,200 surgeons general's latest to join RFK. 947 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,000 They're the latest to join the RFK junior smear campaign In a 948 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,000 statement provided to the defender. 949 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,560 That's the topless offense of publication Andrew Nixon. 950 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,520 Nixon, excuse me, the communications director for the 951 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:32,440 HHS accused former surgeons general of contributing to the 952 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,800 three public the penalty is now attempting to address. 953 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,440 So basically children tell the fans and saying the problem of 954 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,760 Kennedy of are pretty much caused by the likes of Kennedy's 955 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:51,360 critics in this case. Yeah, I think so. 956 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,560 Yeah. Are you there, Mark? 957 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,840 Is that? Yeah, sorry, sorry Mark, your, 958 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:03,120 your audio is absolutely broken and we actually can't hear you 959 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,560 very well at the moment. So that is unfortunate is. 960 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,640 He Is he still there? Are you still there? 961 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,760 Are you hearing me? Yeah, we are now. 962 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,640 Yeah, we've got you back. OK, let me let me just get that 963 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,800 Andrew Nixon quote and I'll try and finish in a slightly 964 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,320 abbreviated fashion. OK. 965 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,480 Anyway, Andrew Nixon, the HHS communications director, had 966 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,280 this to say. The same officials who presided 967 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,560 over the decline in America's public health are now 968 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,720 criticizing the first HHS secretary to confront these 969 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,520 problems head on. We remain committed, he says, to 970 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,760 restoring trust, reforming broken health systems, and 971 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,360 ensuring real healthcare choices. 972 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:50,120 And the rest of the slides they show the other here's an 973 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,720 important one. When when this came out very 974 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,680 recently and I reported most recently at last week the make 975 00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,840 America healthy again make again one of the centerpieces of the 976 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,680 overall report and it shows the report there is ending the 977 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,000 corporate capture of public health. 978 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:13,440 And of course the the Kennedy HHS covers much more than 979 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,280 vaccines. One of the things about the 980 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,240 surgeons general and their their critique is they're talking 981 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:24,120 pretty much as if Kennedy his objections to a full blown 982 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,440 acceptance of vaccines is the only problem. 983 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,800 So as I put on this slide, RFK's plan about is more than vaccines 984 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,200 and pharmaceutical. It's about updating dietary 985 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,880 guidelines, reforming SNAP or food stamps to get to get sweets 986 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,360 out of the out of the cycle, out of the out of the game there 987 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,080 with with food stamps so there's less sweets and less junk food. 988 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,440 Radical transparency. Other examples of what he's been 989 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:56,680 doing, removing petroleum based food dyes or overhauling the 990 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,720 grass standard, restoring trust and vaccine safety, 991 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,800 investigating the cause of autism. 992 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,200 So Kennedy is an absolutely conclusive that vaccines are the 993 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,640 only cause of autism, but he has maintained their one of them and 994 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,240 so it's much broader than the surgeons general. 995 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:18,240 What would have you believe much just saying that RFK, aside from 996 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,560 a few points, is just a vaccine conspiracy and trying to make 997 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,000 that a stick. However, there's a twist in this 998 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:30,440 whole thing and the defender, of course, recently I showed this 999 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,640 slide. This is just a reminder there 1000 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,200 was secrecy. Even Kennedy's own defender is 1001 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,040 saying there's secrecy over the Trump Pfizer deal, sparking a 1002 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,120 Freedom of Information Act inquiry. 1003 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,640 I mentioned that last week. This is just for that. 1004 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,040 Here's where it takes a turn as we move on RFK's face. 1005 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:54,400 This is RFK's reaction. September 30th when Albert 1006 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,720 Borla, the CEO of Pfizer, was in the White House cementing this 1007 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:05,160 new deal where Pfizer would get, as it states here, no tariffs 1008 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,800 for no tariffs on Pfizer for three years. 1009 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,480 Pfizer, in return, will boost its domestic manufacturing to 1010 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,080 the tune of 70 billion. Making its drugs more available 1011 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,840 to Medicaid at a discounted rate. 1012 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,280 Things like that and Albert Borla was in the White House to 1013 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,320 cement that deal with RFK junior at the time. 1014 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:29,400 And this sub stack post that I'm that I'm showing here as as the 1015 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:36,280 small NF KS reaction as Trump odds and and pours out the 1016 01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:43,160 praise on Albert Borla and five chose RFK's reaction if it's 1017 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:44,760 available. OK. 1018 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,040 Yeah. OK. 1019 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,280 Thank you for that. Mark, Unfortunately, your 1020 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:54,120 connection today was not very stable, but we got enough of 1021 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,600 that to understand what's going on. 1022 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,000 You got any brief thoughts on it? 1023 01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,640 No, I think I probably would like to comment on the whole 1024 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,400 Tylenol thing because that's an interesting story there. 1025 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,720 There is some there's a method behind the scenes there. 1026 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,760 And I think Bing Pharma is, is, is indirectly going to end up 1027 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,680 benefiting from a lot of these things. 1028 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,960 So I mean, I'm, I'm very skeptical when it comes to big 1029 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,680 pharma because I know the lobbying, the lobbying power is 1030 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,640 just immense in Washington. And I know Trump's very chummy 1031 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,880 with the, the, the top echelon of the Pharmaceutical industry. 1032 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:32,120 Of course that's how they a fast tracked operation warp speed and 1033 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,920 he was groveling and fetting over them during his first term. 1034 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,320 But that's that's history. We can talk more about that. 1035 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,800 An extra I'm sure we will and lots to talk about an extras a 1036 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,320 day. So if you are AUK column member, 1037 01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,000 please join us for that in a few minutes on the live stream. 1038 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,320 I just want to say thank you very much to Chris, who was 1039 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,400 producing the programme for the first time today. 1040 01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:59,320 And so well done and we'll see how we go next week. 1041 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,360 Thank you for that and thanks for joining us everyone. 1042 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,520 We'll see you in a few minutes for extra. 1043 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,840 Otherwise, have a great weekend and we'll see you on Monday as 1044 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,560 usual at 1:00 PM Bye bye.