Well, there we are. I think we should be live, which
is good. Welcome everybody.
So a particular welcome to Art. Well, our guest and Oh well,
thank you for being patient and and waiting to join and join us
for extra. It's really great to have you
here and I know we're going to have a very interesting
discussion. You've had a bit of a chance to
meet our other presenters, so a bit of chat going on with Alex
and Mark as well. So that was good.
Now what do I want to say? I think I'll just bring on the
subject to Richard D Hall again, which I ended the news on.
But I do think this is, this is absolutely critical.
I'm very interested or I will be interested to know whether the
BBC was actually funding, effectively putting in funding
to make this court case happen. I don't know whether they were
or not, but I'm a suspicious person and I wonder whether
that's the case. But yeah, I do believe that this
will be a precedence case and if it has a bad result for Richard
D Hall, we can all expect a lot of pressure.
Do you do you agree with that, Alex?
I do, because this is quite an outrageous application.
It's an application for summary judgement this afternoon by the
claimants and they are saying that Richard de Hall's analysis
and opinions in broadcasting were tantamount to harassment.
But they're not content and we know that What we feel that they
have been put up to it by the BBC and the Mariana Spring
contingent, as we've reported in the past.
But however, be that as it may, even if it's genuinely
aggrieved, people who have were were not put up to it by anyone
else, it takes quite some chutzpah to apply to a court
that Mister D Mr. Richard D Hall must not be allowed in any
future trial to bring his evidence to bear because he's
already upset them. OK, we can understand that from
their perspective, that is tantamount to harassment.
No way, Jose. But they go on to say that there
is no merit in his research and because there would be very
likely no court judgement in his future in his favour in future
if his material were brought into a public hearing.
Therefore he must not be allowed to bring it into the current
proceedings against him. Because apparently a public
inquiry has already done a stitch up and said that that
Mister Hall's version is wrong. Therefore this evidence must
never see the light of day in a court.
So it's it's takes inspiration from several sectors.
It has a a whiff of the social services wicked mantra, risk of
future emotional abuse about it. It has overtones of this is not
good for Das Falk. It's not in the greater good or
public interest. And it also has overtones of the
new, which I think Sir Keir Starmer is responsible for the
lower threshold for the Attorney General for England and Wales
taking over private prosecutions.
They are still allowed in England, Wales and Northern
Ireland, and they're the Attorney general.
Since Starmer's time, 2009, the last time we had a Labour
government has lowered the threshold for what's called the
nolle prosequi. You know, the attorney general
throwing the case out to the threshold of the Attorney
General's office doesn't think that a court would convict.
It used to be that there's no merit at all.
Now it's we don't think that the court would would convict.
And of course everyone knows that the judge is direct juries
these days. So it's the worst of several
worlds of the British legal scene all being wrapped up into
do not allow this man to speak. He's already been decided as a
person of no value. Yeah.
All right. Thank you for that, Alex.
Well, we will cover more on it. Let's turn to Artwell and the
floor is yours, really. Just introduce yourself a little
bit for the UK column. Viewers and listeners art well
and tell us about what you're seeing with these low traffic
neighbourhoods. You're describing them as
roadblocks in Oxford, but tell us about yourself and what
you've been up to. OK, well, I've been auk column
listener for quite a while and I've attended a few of the
conferences in the past and with the help of the UK column
because it really is the only broadcast out of England that
addresses what I call local issues.
There's a lot from the United States as you all know.
I think it's important that is it is here that that we support
it and that it's because it's the only one looking at the
minutiae of local government, local issues here in England.
And on that topic right now in Oxford, Oxford City Council and
Oxford County Council is controlled by the Labour, Lib
Dems and Greens. And we have seen an absolute
avalanche of green policies that take the form of what I call
East Oxford's roadblock policies, what they have done.
They've cut off all the roads leading off to the main
thoroughfare, so you have to just stay on the main
thoroughfare UK column. It has caused congestion, chaos,
confusion, delays, ambulances and firemen and so forth.
It's absolutely awful. But despite this, the County
Council who run this, they're still going full blazing,
ignoring totally what the local people think.
And I want to just say this now that last week I was sent
something from the Daily Telegraph which was saying that
and this is, I find this quite frightening.
It was saying that apparently the Daily Caliph says that 100
councils have made anti democratic pledges to to A to
beat the government's own net 0 targets.
And this organization is called the UK 100 which is bankrolled
according to the paper by green billionaires without consulting
voters. And it goes on to say that if
you are wondering why so many local councils seem hell bent on
damaging anti motorist policies, this may explain it.
And I feel in Oxford this is exactly what we've got.
The article then goes on to say if you want to find out if your
council has these consultants who come from these UK 100, put
your e-mail in. So I put my I'm sorry, put my
your post code in. So I did.
And of course, without any surprise to any of you
gentlemen, Oxford City Council has signed up to this UK 100
bankrolled by green billionaires and it explains why we can't
seem to get any traction. I really want to say, and I
really want to encourage with all my heart UK column viewers,
it's local elections in about 3 months time.
Please consider standing as an independent because it's the
only direct way that you have of trying to make an impact.
And here in Oxford, let me just give you a quick example.
Here in Oxford we are controlled by Liberal Democrats, Green and
Labour, which means if you are opposed to the East Oxford
roadblock policy, come the local elections, you have nobody to
vote for. I mean, this is just
unacceptable that we have almost slipping into a tyranny.
UK column viewers in Oxford where you literally feel you
have no one else to vote for if you are out of step, you oppose
the East Oxford roadblock policies.
What do you guys gentlemen say to that?
Well, the first thing I say to you well is that the the
parties, there is no difference between them.
The colours are different, but there's no difference in the
policies. They are all working to Agenda
20-30. This is very clear now and I
think in a way it's it's enabled people to see through what
they're doing because they all use the same language.
They've got the same policies. They've got the same objectives
and if you challenge them you get the same response which is
that you're treated like a piece of dirt.
And I I I wanted to say to you that the Oxford Mail article
that I I just put up the picture of you and the headline Former
MP wannabe is a victim of Oxford Council's IT mix up so.
They could have just written pleb, couldn't they?
To express their feelings. Yes, but well, they could, Alex.
But Artwell stood as a parliamentary candidate and that
requires respect. I've I've done it myself.
It was a huge amount of work to go out and leaflet, to speak to
people, to take the abuse from some individuals, but a huge
amount of work in order to try and participate in the
democratic system. And when Artwell does it in
Oxford, his local paper, Let's talk about the journalist Albert
Tate. I'm not sure what Albert has
ever done in his life, but he calls Artwell a He's a.
Journalist a wannabe. Absolutely.
But what? What an insult that is, Artwell.
Just explain what why that article was written, what you
have been trying to do, and what you discovered was happening to
your communications with the local council.
OK, as part of EU KS columns influence on me, I've been
speaking at 4 council meetings, which I hope everybody knows
happens 4 * a year. It's our only opportunity to
hold our elected councillors and executive officers to account
and I always try to make use of it anyway.
They seem as a little bit of a as a nuisance, shall I say.
And I discovered that I would put my address in turn up to
speak and they would say, oh Mr. Artwell, we didn't receive your
address, you can't speak now. This happened at 3 occasions.
And I and the third occasion I really got rather angry,
demanded an an investigation. And it turned out that Oxford
City Council when I sent my address in, they were sending it
to an unmanned BOP somewhere in cyberspace so that they can then
claim with plausible deniability not to have received my address
and therefore disenfranchising me with credibility, which
they've done for nine months as a result of my complaints.
I they apologise and and and so forth.
And then I took it to the paper and asked the paper to publish.
After a lot of persuasion, they finally persuaded to to publish
the piece which which Mr. Gerrish has quite kindly put up
there, in which the reporter described me as a wannabe.
But that is the background to the story, the report on the
fact that they disenfranchised me.
For nine months I couldn't speak.
And it's only because, and and only because of my persistence
that I've managed to get it overthrown and and and highlight
the awful practices that are going on within the local
council. Well, would it be fair to say
that because you've been challenging the council over
quite a few years that that they decided to put you in the
naughty box and simply try and ignore your communications
because you've you've been a you've been a big letter writer,
haven't you? For the for the local press.
I gentlemen, I have 6 ring ring binders full of my published
letters in the local paper. Some of them are really
attacking Labour and what they have done in Oxford and let's
just say that they don't like it, they don't like it, 1 little
bit, but I really have. You come up with a sorry, you
don't go ahead and finish your thought art Will.
I really want to encourage listeners like because I'm
really passionate about this. I want to encourage people to
really think about standing in local election, because I only
think now that that's our only redemption, so our only remedy
to the tyranny. And I don't use that word
lightly. I really believe we are
descending into a political tyranny when our constitutional
monarchy is being subverted, as the A Telegraph wrote last week
by green billionaires who have their own agendas beyond what
even Parliament is pushing through.
And that that message really needs to resonate and get out
there. Just wondering if Mark has come
across cases like this in the US.
Yes, maybe not quite as egregious.
Maybe the naughty boxers are not as frequent, but absolutely,
there is this autopilot mentality among a local
Councilman. Even here in little old Donna,
TX, where the potholes keep getting bigger, you can't get a
return e-mail from the mayor. The most basic, fundamental
things are not taken care of. Meanwhile, the city bought this
expensive fleet of police cars, code enforcement vehicles, but
animal control vehicles, even though there's no animal control
and just a massive amount of spending on vehicles, police
cars, fire fire department and all these other vehicles, huge
utility vehicles. Meanwhile the roads underneath
them, the local streets are crumbling and you can't get a
word in edgewise. And when the City Council meets,
it's on Tuesdays at 5:30 when everyone still working.
This is just one example of of thousands.
But then we found out a few years ago that even small towns
were working with the Wilson Institute.
The Woodrow Wilson Institute, a globalist institution which has
been working to kind of globalize the small towns in
Texas and and around the country.
And the Wilson Institute, which used to have a chairman, Jane
Harman, a former congresswoman from California who was
instrumental in creating the post 911 Patriot Act.
She she LED that Wilson Institute for a long time.
And then that organization has brought speakers to South Texas,
including a big city. McAllen and all the local mayors
would show up for the for their little dose of globalism.
This was just a few years back, maybe 2019.
Yeah, thanks for that Mark. Sorry, just to come back to
Artwell. Several people are reacting to
you already in the chat box and saying we need more people like
this because you are active, you are, you've got a good sense of
humour, You're smiling as you tell the story of getting out
there and and challenging the council.
But I understand that there are other people now standing up in
in the Oxford area. Can you tell us a bit about what
what they're doing? Yes, I am delighted to say that
we have something called Oxford Organization of of Oxford
organisations of independence run by a lady called Doctor
Gwinnett. And she what she is doing is
that she's asking people to stand in all the wards in Oxford
and she's asking them to to stand on on their own principles
so that they can make their own decisions.
But it will be an alternative place for the local people to
vote, especially people who are opposed to the Oxford's
roadblock policies and anti car policies and so forth.
So I mean, I'm really pleased I've gone along, I've joined,
I've let them know that I want to join it and so forth, because
I think it's a good thing. We need to be able to unite our
our powers together so we act as a bit more of a as a group
because it's really lonely being on your own sometimes.
So this has come forward at a wonderful time and it's very
much needed and I'm hoping that the people of Oxford will really
take this to heart and vote for their independence, especially
people who are looking to oppose.
What I see is our loss of our traditional freedoms and we are
losing them in Oxford. I could go into detail, they
want to bring in 15 minute cities.
I mean these things are really getting on advanced.
They want to stop you from going from one part of Oxford to
another in a private car. Honestly, it feels as if UK
column listeners, we're going back to feudalism where I'm
going to need a little bit of paper from the local Manor, the
local to go from one part of Oxford to the other.
That is where they want us to go and on top of that they want you
to travel by horse and cart. I'm not joking when I say that
they literally want you back in the horse and cart, because
although they like electric at the moment, I just think it's
only a matter of time before they turn their backs even on
their so-called electric vehicles.
I think you're. Right, there are, yeah.
Shall I throw in some historical memory?
You might be surprised at the angle this comes from?
But before I emigrated I was a member of the Orange Lodge,
which covers Oxford, and I came to know there.
And it's the point I'm making here is that if you don't defend
those who most people live down on, you won't get freedom of
speech and and assembly for anyone else.
I was told by the older gentleman there that the last
time that lodge, which had Oxford in its name, had marched
through Oxford because of course they wanted to pay their
respects at the Martyrs Memorial in Oxford City was 40 years ago,
this year, 1984. There was a bit of a kerfuffle
that year, bit like the German antifa stuff going on now.
And somebody high up in Oxford police then told the lodge,
that's the last time you ever March in this city.
We will see to it. Don't ask who we was.
It was the gentleman who make up their minds on these things.
And after that anything that was that was the same year the
Public Order Act. What nearly the same year the
Public Order Act was bought in 181986.
But it was in the mid 80s when this legislation started wafting
through. So the the decision was already
being made in the cities that regard themselves as a cut above
the rest and more progressive 40 years ago and under the brand of
Thatcherism and liberal Toryism, that if you are undesirable in
your expressions, in your opinions, in your associations,
we don't want the likes of you. And you know where this ends up
is people losing their in the Soviet Union, their Hopiska as
they were called, their their residence permit to live in
Leningrad or Moscow. A lot of people who were
Christians, dissidents of some kind were told at the City
Council office when they went to renew their pass to live in
their St. no, no, no, you you have in the last five years or
whatever the period was, you have expressed yourselves or
associated with people in ways that this Soviet city finds
undesirable. So off you go, back to the
boondocks. Yeah.
And and if I can add into that one, Alex, this is a little
story I I'm sure the audience, it's true.
But back in the days of Tony Blair as Prime Minister, he came
down to Plymouth to to meet up with the great and the good,
mainly centred around Plymouth City Council and 1:00 in the
afternoon there was a meeting and an individual that I had
pretty good relationships with. Was in that meeting and I think
it was about 4:45, I got a call from this individual to say,
Brian, I just got to tell you what I've heard is incredible.
And what this person said to me is that Tony Blair had been in
this meeting where the then chief executive of Plymouth City
Council was talking about how the city will be divided up into
areas. But the person said to me the
thing was, the language they were using in talking about
zones and sectors, it sounded almost military.
And then they said, to my astonishment, they were talking
about which class of people would be allowed to live in
which area of the city. And there was a bit of
discussion. And then the chief executive
said to Tony Blair, well, the only thing is we're getting
quite a lot of pushback from people they they are challenging
us. And Tony Blair looked at the
then chief executive and said, you have been given special
powers and you should use them. And what Tony Blair was
referring to was to the. I think they'd come in a little
while before, but these were, as was the ACT to do with powers to
local authorities. I can't think of the exact name
of it. I think it was called the
Localism Act, wasn't it? Which in a nutshell told it
reversed English law and U.S. law on this point that it was.
Although although a council's a public body and hence can do
nothing except what it's given specific entitlement to do by
the law, that was reversed to put into law the sentence that a
local council can do anything that a natural person can do.
Which makes it a mockery of the idea of public law.
Yeah. So, so the person who was
relaying this to me was, was actually disturbed by what they
had heard in the meeting. They found it very spooky and
very frightening that that Tony Blair and others were talking
about this draconian control within a city.
Mark you you've got something here I think.
Well. Thinking about the mentality of
Oxford and Tony Blair and all the powers that be with regards
to the primer on AI that the World Economic Forum discussed
at an annual at its annual Dabos confab January 17th that I
mentioned in the regular news. So this is the mentality
basically making cities into these military garrisons, at
least in the term in terms of their structure, with sectors
and all that, and having free speech be non existent.
And so this is where AI would come in with surveillance to
surveil or to surveil whom on behalf of whom becomes the
question. And you're talking about a class
system, a rigid class system, some might even call it a caste
system. And you're talking about getting
permission to go from one place to another and possibly going
back to horse and buggy in some instances and things like that.
This is the milieu or this is the context in which they're
talking about. Well, we need AI to be
inclusive. This was another comment at the
World Economic Forum primer. And AI inclusive, everything
we're hearing is the exact opposite.
This is all about exclusion except all for the cream of the
crop of the elite. That's, that's the, that's the
sum and substance of what we're hearing from our guests and from
other UK column investigations. Yeah.
I'm fascinated that several people in the chat well chat box
well, I'm not surprised. They're being very complimentary
about what you've already said to us art well and then some.
Somebody's just posted this should have been on the main UK
column news and somebody else said, yes, this man should be
talking to UK column news. Well, we'll let the audience
into a little secret that we are indeed planning to do this, but
to enable Artwell to sort of come in gently in a relaxed
environment with the UK column team, we suggested that he
joined Extra Time today. So, Oh well, I'll just give you
that little bit of feedback that I can see on screen here that a
lot of people paying attention to you.
Thank you. You can't tell you how
marvellous it is to have such wonderful people saying great
things about one. I want to say something because
something happened over the weekend that I'm rather
disturbed about. I am disturbed that a jury of
nine men and three women found a young man guilty of downloading
templates which essentially were about patriotic stickers up in
in Leeds Crown Court. That's that's Sam.
Molly. Yes, worse than that, they said
that telling, even though what he said was accurate and
truthful. I can't believe, men and women,
that truth is no longer a defence in the English judicial
system. Have I?
I'm scattered by it. I mean, we've seen it for a
while. It started in Scotland and the
pressure started coming through the Carnegie Foundation and
others. And the idea there was that the
court had a very important duty here in the interests of global
citizenship, to make the findings of fact on what was in
the alleged offenders mind. So Mens Rea would no longer have
to be proved on an evidentiary and oppositional adversarial
basis, which is the cornerstone of English law in the US.
Wherever you look, no, from now on the court, in no uncertain
terms, starting in Scots law but spreading, would say you're
clearly guilty because and here's as you say, here's the
the, the, the, shall we say the the litmus test of it.
The only question here is, was he a naughty boy in his mind?
Because the jury found, as you said, that the stuff was lawful.
Oswald Mosley's books are not unlawful.
The stickers do not express unlawful or inciting sentiments.
And yet, the judge said, you're going to have to find him guilty
because he's a bad boy, and like a bunch of English sheep, they
rolled over and did so. Mark, sorry.
Well, a brief footnote. The Carnegie Endowment for
International Peace was investigated by the Greece
Committee of the US Congress in the 1950s.
Nineteen 53, I believe, as the Korean War was ending and the
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace was accused
with plenty of evidence, of exacerbating and setting the
stage for war. And that became very clear in
the public record. So you know the whole Carnegie
thing and Andrew Carnegie, the steel magnate would then donate
these libraries all over the United States to soften the
blow. See, we're not really so bad,
just like John D Rockefeller handing senior the oil magnate
handing out Dimes to children who was a super billionaire even
then in 1913 dollars. So these charitable robber
barons are always trying to Polish their image after all
their perfidy. And I can't promise it.
I understand that Charles Mallet may on Wednesday be able to
feature the Sam Melia case, he said.
He's looking into it for me. I can't, of course promise on
his behalf what will fit into the news because we research
things went well if we do them. But I think it certainly merits
a lot of discussion. Yeah, brilliant.
Oh well. Yeah, I was just going to say
that I use old fashioned terminology like constitutional
monarchy. We live under a constitutional
monarchy. I consider myself His Majesty's
African heritage subject. I I want to say to people that
we've got to remember these old wonderful terms because the
youngsters don't know them and I think that the authorities are
using are driving people away from the terms.
And that is why we got Mr. Hall facing terrible time in a court
case. We've got the what happened up
in Leeds to these young people here now, which just goes
against the grain. The I like what I like to call
Anglo Saxons people's long struggle to give us accountable
local governance, A judicial system that has that gloss that
used same I used to do law, the gloss of fairness of equity
about it. All those have been washed away
and they've been washed away because in my view, we we've
gone away from the old terms. We need to go back to them
because we're losing our OK, You agree?
That drive, Yeah, that that drive by the Carnegie Foundation
was actually called Global citizenship, deliberately
supplanting the idea of being a subject or AUS citizen in the
case of the US and replacing it with something of, you know,
allegiance to, as we saw with the EU parliamentary resolution,
the idea that there's no truth, there's no history, and it's all
supranational and one group is at each other's throats.
You know, they would be quite surprised to see in this news
extra a black man standing up for Sam Melia.
But it doesn't surprise us, of course, because we know our
audience. Yeah, well, so I just just, as
we have always said, you know, in the camps it isn't going to
matter what colour somebody is or what their religion is.
If you're in the camps, you're going to be looking for somebody
who's capable of being your friend and looking after you.
So I am actually encouraged by the way that we're actually
seeing divisions fall away because people are now starting
to sense that something very nasty is installing itself in
the country. So I I think we've already got
an opportunity to bring people together.
The other thing I just want to say, and I am clock watching
now, is that in local politics the thing which people forget is
that the local councillors and even the local authority
officers invariably live locally.
And therefore when you start to put them under pressure, they
feel uncomfortable pretty quickly.
Because of course if you accuse them of of things which are
correct, what you're saying are true, That starts to spread
amongst their local friends and contacts in their local
community and boy, they get nervous pretty quickly.
So if you change local authority figures, they of course then are
capable of changing the power base in the in the in the
political party's national, sorry, in the national political
party's local power base, you deal with the councillors.
You're already starting to deal with the national political
parties. That's how I see it.
May we close with a very brief clip from an American town hall
meeting up in Burlington, Vt. It gives away rather more than
the young lady intended. I think we got, we got that
ready to roll. I hope Stephanie, if you can
manage that. And how appalled I am that
people are bringing up the Holocaust.
Do not use other genocides to describe this one.
I have been. Oops.
Interesting. We need to explain it in case
people haven't got it, but it's. It's to do with a resolution
being taken at local level on the disproportion that's as many
people find it, use of violence against the people of Gaza,
whether or not Israel has a right of self defence, which is
now something the ICJ didn't want to rule on expressly.
But she said by her incautious word wording that she was
accepting that this was a genocide going on in the Gaza
Strip. And then she covered her mouth
as she realized what she'd done. Yeah, OK.
If I. May.
Go on quickly. Yeah, that would be Foreign
Affairs article that I referenced early in the main
show about a next global war that just came out in that CFR
journal. It used that same language that
this is a war in the Middle East.
Again, trying to say that there may be a next global war.
Of course there'll be rumors of wars to propagandize us.
That's the ongoing war. Our own nations are working
against us, So that's far worse than wars between nations,
because that's theoretical. Our own nations oppressing us is
is real and every day, as we've described in so many ways.
But that article completely misrepresented in Foreign
Affairs, this whole thing calling it a war in the Middle
East. It is not.
It is a completely disproportionate and genocidal
procedure and operation by the Israeli army.
Meanwhile, we're going after the Houthis for interfering with
shipping International Maritime shipping and not getting Israel
to stop its genocidal behaviour. The contradiction there and the
the hypocrisy is just too thick to navigate.
OK, Mark, thank you for that. Oh well, have you got any
closing thoughts on any of those subjects?
I just want to say that we live in a constitutional monarchy,
not a not a democracy and I think people keep me getting
those things mixed up all the time.
I totally agree with the last sentiment about England.
I'm very ashamed viewers, that we are bombing one of the
poorest countries in the world for interfering with shipping
whilst ignoring and I'm concentrating on the 7000 young
children that I see being pulled out of buildings and so forth
and I it's so horrible I can barely watch it sometimes.
The the disparity in what we're doing now with our foreign
policy with Lord Cameron needs to be really looked at closely.
I'm sure UK Column will do that anyway, but I agree with the
sentiment that's been expressed. OK.
Right. Thank.
Thank you very much for that. Well, I'm going to say to you
all, we're out of time, but I I would just like to say to the
audience that that many of you are asking us to do more.
There's been some comments today where people are talking about
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My response to that is we are very, very keen to expand the UK
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example. But there are many other people.
OK, we've got to end it there. So I'm going to say, oh, well,
thank you very much for joining us.
It's been really great to have you on and we will look forward
to getting you on to the UK column news for some comment.
I'll be talking to you about that.
Mark, thanks for coming in from the States and enjoy your coffee
and bagel which I'm sure is coming up.
And Alex, not sure what you're up to now, but thanks for your
time. We'll end there.
Herring sounds. Sorry.
Soust herrings and yeneva was the killer dish I remember from
my time in Holland. We'll end there.
Thanks for joining me. Bye.