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Hello everyone and a warm 
welcome to UK Column. 

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I'm Liz Evans and I'm delighted 
to be joined today by a good 

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friend of UK Column who I am 
proud to call a friend to. 

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Doctor David Cartland is here to
discuss his new book Do No Harm 

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Diaries of a Vaccinated Anti 
Vaxxer and just show you my copy

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and to catch up with what's been
happening in his life since he 

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last spoke to us in 2023. 
So I'm sure that Doctor Cartland

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is well known to most of our 
audience. 

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But in case you don't know him, 
David was until recently a 

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highly experienced General 
practitioner GP in Cornwall. 

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He is eminently qualified in 
both science and medicine. 

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His first degree was in 
Biomedical Science, studying 

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immunology, virology, 
microbiology and medical 

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statistics and passing with 
first class honours. 

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He then went on to Birmingham 
Medical School qualifying as a 

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doctor in 2008 and has an also 
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now. 
David has been a hero and 

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inspiration to so many of us 
with his selfless and courageous

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whistleblowing from 2021 about 
serious side effects from the 

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COVID jabs that he was 
witnessing on the frontline as 

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AGP and an A&E. 
And in putting his head above 

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the parapet to speak truth to 
power, calling out corruption 

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and challenging the official 
COVID narrative at great cost. 

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He is truly the epitome of what 
it means to be a compassionate 

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and ethical Dr., risking and 
ultimately losing his career to 

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uphold his Hippocratic Oath to 
do no harm, putting his patients

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interests and safety above his 
own and refusing to stay silent 

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despite ruthless persecution 
which tragically led to David 

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being struck off the medical 
register earlier this year. 

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Now UK column interviewed Dr. 
Cartland in February 2022 and 

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July 2023 and I'm going to put 
the links to these two 

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interviews in the show notes. 
So do listen to these or read 

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the first half of David's book 
to hear the story of the first 

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two to three years of his COVID 
fight and I'm sure we will touch

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on that in the next hour or so. 
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then, which I really want to 
focus on in our conversation 

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today. 
So without further ado, thank 

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you very much for joining us. 
David, welcome. 

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Thanks for having me, Liz. 
It's a pleasure, as always, to 

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speak on the UK column. 
Yeah, I've probably aged a 

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little bit since we last spoke. 
I. 

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Think you're looking remarkably 
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So I'm going to start by talking
about how you describe in your 

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book how becoming a doctor was 
your life's dream and at your 

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degree ceremony, how you stood 
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Hippocratic Oath. 
And throughout your book, your 

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ethical conviction shines 
through alongside your disgust 

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at your colleagues failure to 
uphold informed consent and 

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their lack of courage to raise 
patient concerns. 

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During the COVID era. 
You were truly a voice crying in

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the wilderness and no one was 
listening. 

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So my first question is, why are
medical ethics so important to 

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you? 
And why do you think most of the

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medical profession failed to 
uphold them during COVID and 

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just follow the narrative? 
No, it's a great question and 

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it's central really to my 
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You mentioned in the book it's, 
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that we do, you know, every 
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consult we conduct, You know, 
the centrepiece of it is medical

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ethics, whether that is, you 
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informed consent was the focus 
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and we just simply weren't 
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That was it at the end of story.
No information was exchanged. 

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And the doctors pressing the 
plunger weren't even aware of 

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what they were pressing into the
patient or where it went and for

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how long. 
So, you know, just on every 

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corner there was an ethical 
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And, and also when there's 
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coercion invalidates consent 
because there's been a, a 

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variable that kind of 
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or work, etcetera. 
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important tenant of what we do. 
And a lot of what I did in my 

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first degree was around medical 
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You know, if you've got no 
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well not bother getting out of 
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Really. 
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privilege, isn't it, to be a 
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position of power in that 
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vulnerable, they're coming to 
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than them, you've got access to 
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interventions. 
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ethics that you're going to end 
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happening. 
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said. 
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framework within which a doctor 
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safely. 
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lack of moral or ethical 
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Yeah, I kind of look in 
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the, the mass of colleagues 
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would have only took about, you 
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doctors doing what I've done 
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And there's a, there's thing 
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isn't there? 
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body of medical opinion that 
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obviously not in the wilderness 
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But yeah, it did surprise me. 
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they've kept doctors busy. 
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you know, running on fumes 
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really, my whole career has 
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primary care, really. 
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really, because, you know, 
everyone was subject to the same

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propaganda. 
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as we call it, the fear porn 
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military grade really at times, 
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really. 
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they have to follow the orders, 
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That's the another talent of 
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You know, the it's guideline 
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And that's very different from 
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I spoke about that a lot that my
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critically think critically, 
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look for conflicts of interest, 
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behind papers. 
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contradict the body of the text 
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We've seen that recently with a 
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stuff. 
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disappointed because, you know, 
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spoken out have been picked off 
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It's not been a pleasurable 
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I often get asked you wish you 
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Some days I feel like a deer I 
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But other times I think I think 
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the eyelids, if I'm honest, and 
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did you do to stop this, 
whatever this ends up being? 

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You know, what did you do to 
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And, you know, I've, I've put my
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say, and, you know, lost my 
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I don't think I could have gone 
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given some of the antics in the 
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stint back in general practice 
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danger to the public and 
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disrepute. 
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I became a, you know, a pill 
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know, 10 minute processing of a 
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waited weeks and weeks to see 
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of problems that I just couldn't
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myself really as a health coach 
now and reinventing myself and 

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better off out. 
To be honest, there's a lot of 

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things that I don't like about 
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Looking back, really the 
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COVID era. 
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where you whistleblow. 
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full of it. 
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got genuinely held concern 
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practice, usually safety 
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But I mean, they've, they've, 
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to freedom to speak up 
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And kind of like a rebrand. 
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not free because you may as well
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of the building. 
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be. 
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the troublemaker just for having
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centre of all that you do. 
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like a rebel rouser really. 
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management, then there is a 
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that's that's clear and a 
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And, you know, most of my GMC 
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anonymous trolls, which I know 
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usually snitches from the 
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And, you know, the GMC protect 
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these people. 
I had about 250 reports, I think

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in the end and it was just 
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misinformation. 
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There was never any 
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misinformation. 
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debate. 
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don't think in the whole five 
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And there was never any rebuttal
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You know, if they've can't be 
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it's unsafe in pregnancy, well, 
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pregnancy. 
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people to be, you know, accept 
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It's what we used to do at the 
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of the out of the picture. 
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discussion. 
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If you speak out, you Wakefield 
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though, now looking back, I 
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guidelines and protocols, the 
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ethical medicine over probably 
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And as you say that this is very
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COVID, how whistleblowers are 
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investigation fairly recently 
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they're bullied, they're 
reported to, you know, their 

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line managers, they're reported 
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suggests that we've gone so far 
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and I both, well, I, I trained 
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totally different ball game then
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ago. 
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Do you think that they couldn't 
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of old culture where doctors had
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respected and they were able to 
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judgement? 
They weren't following protocols

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and you know, privacy, 
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patient relationship was 
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So there was all of that going 
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What What are your thoughts on 
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I think my career has kind of 
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know, the good, good old 
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GPS, for example, you know, and,
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say, it wasn't as focused on 
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I know now even just towards the
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know in all of the chronic 
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guidance, for example, there's 
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go onto drugs, you go for 
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And they sort of skip over that 
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financial benefits, to be honest
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I mean, GPS get paid because 
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registers and get everyone who's
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a certain cut off, everyone's 
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curriculum change as well. 
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plasters, really. 
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hyponatremia, you correct it and
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correctables and off you trot. 
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about, you know, overrun 
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like now we're hearing about 
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they're they're clocking in a 
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vaccines did you have? 
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trend that, you know, people 
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togetherness back then as well. 
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working as a doctor now. 
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flat out and you never see 
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patients in front of you but. 
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for a drug? 
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anything that you have. 
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time to examine anyone. 
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it's so important to take a, a 
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70% of the way through where 
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a differential diagnosis in your
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you know, the non pharmaceutical
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way to practice medicine. 
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to, to pass out as AGP, you have
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like you say, the history of the
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So it's a biopsychosocial 
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you do mirror signal manoeuvre. 
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trained to do as AGP. 
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an unhappy punter at the end of 
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don't reassure them that it's 
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just going to return, you know, 
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next week with another doctor 
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having to need 45 minutes per 
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back-to-back and, you know, 
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with gyne, breast lumps, 
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health and everything in 
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So, yeah, it was not a very 
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anyway. 
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a sort of reverse way. 
Thank them for releasing me, But

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I don't like the reputation of 
stuff that's gone with it, which

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I'm sure we'll talk about. 
Yeah, we will, definitely. 

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So before we move on to that 
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kind of awakened questioning or 
is this something that came to 

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you during COVID? 
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that first ten years of your 
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with the consensus generally or 
did you always have quite an 

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independent maverick streak to 
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Would you question things when 
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I think you've just nailed it 
with that phrase independent 

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maverick. 
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would be tarnished with 
troublemaker. 

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You know, you go in around 
saying, you know, I think these 

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appointment times are a bit too 
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minutes extra and, you know, you
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So, yeah. 
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always been patient safety. 
I know it sounds a bit a bit 

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soft, but, you know, that's what
you do. 

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You sign up to be a doctor to 
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help them and the safety is the 
the principal point in that 

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consultation. 
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bit of a maverick. 
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pandemic, obviously I took the 
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So it kind of tells its own 
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I believed it. 
I used to watch the BBC and 

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watch people dropping in the 
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Don't get me wrong, I questioned
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busy. 
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practice urgent care, some A&E 
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So really wasn't that interested
to be honest. 

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I was chatting to people who had
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man flu. 
Really. 

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That's all I was getting from 
triaging these people. 

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Certainly wasn't hospitalising 
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people, pregnant women or, you 
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comorbidity. 
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more and more due to the 
coercion of, you know, taking, 

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you know, the, the mandate was 
coming. 

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reversed. 
I bottled it one fateful day and

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roll must leave. 
I won't repeat exactly what I 

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said, but it wasn't informed 
consent. 

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It was kind of under duress. 
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see really the whole principle 

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for me was ethics, as we talked 
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saying, well, this is 
unprecedented. 

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You know, there's going to be 
collateral damage here 

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financially, mental health, 
etcetera. 

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Masking, just seeing bonkers, 
you know, particularly when 

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boxes state clearly these are 
not for protection around 

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COVID-19 actually says it on the
boxes. 

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And then some of the silly rules
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bubbles and rules of 6 and you 
know, you need to wear a mask 

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until you sit down and eat a 
steak and then you're good, 

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you're protected. 
The steak and chips are highly 

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protective, allegedly for the 
the wild type strain and just 

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weird rules that. 
Crazy times. 

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Crazy times. 
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answer to all this? 
The vaccine. 

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It's safe. 
It's effective. 

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Lots and lots of propaganda, 
lots of fear, lots of 

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celebrities bad mouthing people 
who decided to exercise their 

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bodily autonomy. 
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to my full awakening was from 
seeing the vaccine injured, you 

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know, in my room, in a clinic 
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where I live. 
Little surgery, not on many 

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patients really. 
And spotting the trends of the 

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fact that all the people that 
were getting alleged COVID had 

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had two jabs to stop them 
getting COVID and they were the 

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ones that were occupying the 
hospitals. 

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And I remember the date at the 
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that, you know, upwards of 
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deaths and hospital admissions, 
we're in the double vaccinated 

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at the time. 
That was before the booster idea

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was born. 
And as soon as that booster went

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in, that for me was the real 
trigger warning. 

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People would come in to me. 
It wasn't me suggesting that it 

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was a vaccine. 
They were saying I had that jab 

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yesterday or three days ago. 
I've not felt right. 

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And now I'm getting chest pain 
and low and behold, it turns out

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to be APE. 
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had two females die in their 40s
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post mortem vit vaccine induced 
thrombocytic thrombocytopenia 

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death by 1000 clots. 
Must have been a horrible death 

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for these two women. 
I had to make the condolence 

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call to 1 particular husband. 
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man collapse. 
He'd had the jab yesterday and 

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he had a cerebral venous 
thrombosis the following day, 

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seizing in the street. 
Get a call from the neurosurgeon

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telling me that, you know, this 
guy's having a cerebral venous 

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thrombosis removed from his 
brain. 

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And I said, you don't think he 
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it yesterday. 
And that's the first ever time 

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I've been called that fateful 
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neurosurgical Reg. 
She said, you're not one of 

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those anti vaxxers, are you? 
And I recounted that. 

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And I mean, that weekend they 
jabbed. 

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These were all three were 
AstraZeneca and two deaths and 

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one cerebral venous thrombosis. 
Told the the guy running the 

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vaccine centre saying, look, 
these are the death 

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certificates. 
This is a guy who's just 

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contacted me from Derryford 
Hospital locally, the 

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neurosurgical centre. 
And he he went on to jab people,

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500 people that weekend with 
AstraZeneca. 

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Well, you know, if I give 
somebody. 

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Just thinking about these 
colleagues of yours who you 

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know, must have been seeing the 
same thing as you, they you 

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can't have been the only GP in 
Cornwall who was getting all of 

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the vaccine injured. 
And yet do do you think 

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psychologically it was almost 
too much cognitive dissonance? 

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They were in too deep. 
They were so bought in to this 

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narrative and they were so, you 
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it, that they literally just 
covered their ears, covered 

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their eyes and just refused to 
admit what was going on and just

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dug themselves deeper into a 
hole. 

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Is that kind of how you saw it? 
Put it this way, if I'd been 

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jabbing pregnant women and 
children with the COVID-19 

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vaccines, I'd be keeping my head
well down. 

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You know, I say there's an there
was an actual pandemic that did 

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happen over the five years 
ostrich syndrome. 

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And that's what they are. 
You know, you've got this 

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cognitive dissonance that kind 
of not wanting to even just talk

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about it. 
You don't want to hear Dave 

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Cartman talking about the multi 
systemic inflammatory effects an

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autoimmunity that it induces 
because guess what, they've had 

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three or four themselves while 
saying that a lot of the NHS 

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staff said no didn't they? 
You know the the uptake of the 

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flu vaccine this year has been 
rubbish. 

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Great news that the COVID 
vaccine bottomed out after two. 

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Most doctors and nurses stopped 
after the 2. 

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They didn't take the booster. 
So you know 80% of the NHS are 

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anti vaxxers according to that. 
And you just have to ask 

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yourself, what are they seeing? 
What are they seeing? 

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And, and it's always a whisper 
In the last role. 

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People were coming into my room,
tapping me on my shoulder. 

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Well done Dave, you've done 
really good. 

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People were recognizing me, 
patients and staff and almost 

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like locking the door and making
sure no one saw that they were 

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having these conversations. 
How are you dealing with these 

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vaccine injuries, Dave? 
What are you giving them? 

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What are you recommending behind
closed doors? 

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I've offered to give every 
Cornish practice a free hour of 

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my time to talk about spike 
protein detox. 

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No one answered the e-mail, 
surprisingly, so I don't know. 

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I can't explain it. 
There's wilful blindness. 

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There's buyer's remorse as well.
You know, if you know, you don't

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want people. 
Yeah. 

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And maybe a lack of intellectual
humility, like in a sense, 

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because you'd also had a couple 
of jabs, but you were able to 

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kind of be more adaptable and, 
and change course and say, wow, 

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OK, that didn't work. 
There's a real situation here. 

449
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,000
Now I'm going to change my mind.
I think people really struggle 

450
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,800
these days to change their minds
once they've taken a a position.

451
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,680
And how much do you think that 
whole ideology around vaccines, 

452
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,080
that sacred cow of medicine, was
that the kind of genius Trojan 

453
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,040
horse within which to bring 
this, you know, bio weapon as 

454
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:21,160
some people describe it, because
doctors were so blinded that to 

455
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,080
vaccines ever causing any harm 
that it was it was something 

456
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,240
that was above reproach. 
I mean, we were actually warned.

457
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,080
I remember the medical school 
lecture, it was our one and only

458
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,800
lecture on vaccines and 
immunology. 

459
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,720
Bearing in mind I've done months
and months in the previous 

460
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,120
degree, you know, don't question
the vaccines. 

461
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,840
You know, call tish really it 
was because and then you 

462
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,920
actually, that's where the 
phrase Wakefield came from. 

463
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,040
It came from a medical lecturer 
at Med school back then. 

464
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,440
Don't, don't speak out because 
you'll be Wakefielded. 

465
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,440
And you know, I would never have
believed that possible had it 

466
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,920
not been, you know, completely 
carbon copied. 

467
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,520
In my case, I've been 
Cartlanded. 

468
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,360
I think I've become. 
Cartlanded because like what 

469
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,480
you've experienced, which we'll 
go on to talk about in a minute,

470
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,640
is way is like Andrew Wakefield 
on steroids. 

471
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,360
I mean, they've taken it to a 
whole other level. 

472
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:09,840
So you know, you may have your 
own notoriety in being you know 

473
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,960
the name of. 
Well, you've indicated in the 

474
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,800
end in this. 
I hope in 20 years time the 

475
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,120
vindication will come. 
I'll keep plugging on for now. 

476
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,560
So you became a whistle blower 
and started to raise the COVID 

477
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,080
jab, safety concerns and 
challenging the narrative with 

478
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,000
both your colleagues and the 
public on social media. 

479
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,280
So what was your kind of 
experience in that situation, 

480
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,240
first of all with your 
colleagues and then when you 

481
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,600
were bringing it on social 
media? 

482
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,360
Well, when I had my original 
concerns, like I say, I was a 

483
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:39,800
bit academic about it. 
I started doing audits, you 

484
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,120
know, looking at all the 
positive tests, for example, and

485
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,480
how many had been vaccinated or 
unvaccinated and it was 

486
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,040
immediately clear that the 
unvaccinated were not suffering 

487
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,920
from COVID and they weren't 
going to hospital with COVID. 

488
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,920
That was immediately clear. 
But, you know, I've tried my 

489
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,040
very best really to to try and 
wake people up the right way. 

490
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,840
Call practice meetings, you 
know, whole journal meetings. 

491
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,880
I remember being physically 
assaulted by a physio because I 

492
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,600
took a paper in from the JAMA 
Journal of American Medical 

493
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,880
Association about South Korean 
prospective study and it was 

494
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,400
myocarditis risk in adolescence.
And he just huffed at me and 

495
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,080
said, look, I don't want to. 
This is my downtime. 

496
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,840
I don't want to hear your 
conspiracy crap. 

497
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,560
That was his exact words and 
pushed me in the chest and the 

498
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,880
room emptied. 
But I mean, for me, it really 

499
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,040
hinged on when I first decided 
to speak out. 

500
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,560
Like I say, fell on deaf ears. 
These genuine attempts, you 

501
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,240
know, asking them, are you 
seeing the same? 

502
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,360
Like you said earlier, are you 
seeing the same as I'm seeing? 

503
00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,320
Am I just seeing a skewed, you 
know, set of vaccine injuries 

504
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,080
every day and you guys aren't? 
But then it came down to a 

505
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,920
discussion. 
It was a coffee room discussion.

506
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,960
And we were discussing the fact 
that they were going for the, is

507
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,440
it 11 to 19 year olds or 
something like that? 

508
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,840
It was the pre 2011 to 15, maybe
11 to yeah. 

509
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,520
And then we were just discussing
that you're going to have your 

510
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,040
kids. 
A lot of the partners had 

511
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:52,000
children of that cat at that 
age. 

512
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,640
I said, would you get your 
adolescent vaccinated for COVID?

513
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,120
He said, oh, no, no, wouldn't 
have it. 

514
00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:57,920
There's no need. 
There's no clinical indication. 

515
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,440
We don't know enough about these
things. 

516
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,720
Young people aren't dying of 
COVID, so there's no need. 

517
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:04,480
And then the very next day, in 
fact, they said to me, we'll not

518
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,800
vaccinate people of that age in 
under under our roof was the 

519
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,760
phrase they used the very next 
day on the website. 

520
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,440
And I can't explain this, but it
led to my resignation that 

521
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,440
advertising what what I call the
jabotoire down the road. 

522
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,720
So they were advertising this 
massive flight. 

523
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,880
It was a military operation 
where people would go in one 

524
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,320
door and out the other, sheep 
herding as it were. 

525
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,800
And they deployed the staff from
that surgery to that place to, 

526
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,240
to work. 
So they technically weren't 

527
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,480
injected under their roof and 
they were sending them over to 

528
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,000
that that place. 
And then I fell out with them 

529
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,360
and I just I publicly resigned 
and then all the fun and games 

530
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:40,800
happened. 
I took to social media podcasts.

531
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,280
I think UK column was the first 
interview I did with Brian back 

532
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,840
in the day where we where we 
unmasked me as the vaccinated 

533
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,840
anti vaxxer that I am. 
And that was it. 

534
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,000
You know, I was just tried 
everything I could within the 

535
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,760
system. 
The system didn't want to hear. 

536
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,280
So I had a an important safety 
concern that needed to be to be 

537
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,400
made clear, particularly around 
the people are targeted children

538
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,440
and pregnant women. 
You know, these are two groups 

539
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,640
that are so protected or should 
be so protected by the medical 

540
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,680
profession that we're telling 
pregnant women not to eat soft 

541
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,240
cheese or raw meat and sit and 
do you know, just healthy things

542
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,920
for nine months. 
You know, most drugs in the BNF 

543
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,000
state, you know, not tested in 
pregnancy but not believed to 

544
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,280
be, you know, concerning 
etcetera. 

545
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,240
But that's suddenly this 
technology, you know, and not 

546
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,680
even the doctors injecting it, 
not even knowing that it's this 

547
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,400
novel platform. 
You know, in the early social 

548
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,960
media, you know, I was just 
getting banned like most of the 

549
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,880
other doctors. 
I remember doing an interview 

550
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,400
once where I'm holding up the 
documents from Moderna and 

551
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,960
Pfizer, reading them out, 
holding them up like this to the

552
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,240
camera, running my finger along 
and putting the references at 

553
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,600
the bottom saying these are not.
These are immuno modulatory gene

554
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,920
therapies that will never be 
used on humans six months before

555
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,040
we started using them on humans 
of ever decreasing ages. 

556
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,600
And so, you know, I got banned 
from LinkedIn, I got banned from

557
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,160
Instagram and Facebook for that 
post where I'm holding up the 

558
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,480
documents peeping outside here. 
And there was no place to to 

559
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,400
kind of get your concerns out, 
not not within house or even on 

560
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,320
social media. 
There's this sudden censorship 

561
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,520
and and then the trolls came a 
trolling. 

562
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:11,200
And I know we're going to talk 
about this. 

563
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,240
Yeah, so you described so 
vividly in your book how you 

564
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,080
were subjected to years of the 
most brutal and relentless 

565
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,560
harassment and abuse from this 
coordinated gang of online 

566
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,960
trolls. 
And it was this absolutely 

567
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,680
disgusting, which which really, 
like spoke, speaks out of the 

568
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,480
pages of your book. 
And it even spilled over into 

569
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,560
your real life. 
There was you. 

570
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,880
You described doxing, hacking, 
real life stalking, mass 

571
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,800
Anonymous, GMC complaints and 
even being reported to the 

572
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,280
police. 
Yeah, if you reported these 

573
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,120
people to the police for all of 
these sort of criminal actions, 

574
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,800
the doxing, the hacking, the 
stalking, no action was ever 

575
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,920
taken. 
So yeah, it'd be really good to 

576
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,320
hear a bit more about like, when
did it go from being censored 

577
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,960
and silenced in kind of, you 
know, shadow banned to then to 

578
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:08,640
this sort of far more vicious 
evil, this sort of aggressive 

579
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,600
attack against you from these 
trolls. 

580
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,440
Well, the irony is it's one of, 
again, I'm, I'm being cautious 

581
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,520
not to name names because 
obviously the victims, the 

582
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,120
victims of Doctor Cartland were 
treated as vulnerable witnesses 

583
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,360
and given anonymity orders. 
But everything Dave Cartland 

584
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:26,040
said was going to be beamed out 
publicly. 

585
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,000
So it all started with one of my
victims. 

586
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,320
Again, one of the victims was a 
ringleader, well known 

587
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,840
ringleader. 
He's actually been kicked out of

588
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,800
the Irish Medical Council 
recently for being what he is, a

589
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,600
buffoon. 
But that said he, he's the 

590
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,400
organiser. 
And so the, the name of this 

591
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,160
online troll network is named 
after him and his business. 

592
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,760
And again, I'm not going to say 
any more than that. 

593
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,000
I, I, I actually face charges of
harassing him. 

594
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:52,680
I presented the GMC with 600 
tweets about me, 600 tweets 

595
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,360
about other doctors, probably 
including yourself. 

596
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:59,680
Just nasty ad hominem, viral 
abusive stuff. 

597
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,080
And then this guy went into the 
vaccine injury group, started 

598
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,280
calling people malingerers. 
Just get a job, you lazy. 

599
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,720
This and the other. 
And this is a guy that I've been

600
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,880
found guilty of harassing him. 
This, this evidence was never 

601
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,960
shown to the GMC. 
They weren't allowing it. 

602
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,360
They never allowed me any 
witnesses. 

603
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,000
But it was a very strange 
kangaroo court. 

604
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,440
But going back to the trolls, it
was very organised. 

605
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,920
Anyone who spoke out in my 
defence was immediately piled 

606
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,520
upon. 
And that's all the same faces 

607
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,400
even to this day. 
They're even quite blatant about

608
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,760
what they've been doing outside 
of the Twitterverse. 

609
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800
You know, as you mentioned, it's
not stopped at the strike off. 

610
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,880
It upsets me that I've had so 
much harassment over five years,

611
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,040
like unrelenting. 
And I've been found guilty and 

612
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,480
struck off for harassment and 
bullying, something that I 

613
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,080
absolutely a bore. 
I hate it, you know, bullied at 

614
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,160
school. 
I hate bullies. 

615
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,280
So to to lose my medical career 
for that. 

616
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,120
But yeah, they've not stopped 
short of anything. 

617
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,200
You know, I've got, I went to 
report six of them, six of the 

618
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,280
worst, plucked up all the 
courage in the world, took an ex

619
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,320
detective with me and they as I 
walked into the police station, 

620
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,560
they said, look, you saved us 
the trip, Doctor Carlin. 

621
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,000
I said sorry. 
And then there he said we were 

622
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,200
coming to interview you under 
caution for harassment and 

623
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,480
malicious communications. 
I said sorry, that's what I've 

624
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,520
come in to report. 
And that's the six names of the 

625
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,960
characters that had reported me 
and they'd reported me over a 2 

626
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,640
day period. 
So 6 reports of Dave Cartland's 

627
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,160
a bully and harasser by 6 trolls
and then he read out the six 

628
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,160
names and there were the six 
people I'd gone in to report. 

629
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,680
It's just unbelievable moment 
really. 

630
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,760
And I mean, the policeman yawned
while I was telling him the 

631
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,440
story, the tale of work. 
He actually physically yawned 

632
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,240
during the interview. 
Anyway, that was all thrown out.

633
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,880
And like I say, we've had things
like social service contact. 

634
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,720
The last job I worked at, a 
surgery, they received 2 male 

635
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,080
anonymous male tip offs saying 
that doctor Carton's a bully and

636
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,520
the harasser is about to be 
struck off. 

637
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,400
I was very open and honest with 
that surgery about what was 

638
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,360
going on in the background. 
I talked them through the, the 

639
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,520
charge sheet, as it were, and 
they were happy with it. 

640
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,680
But they let me go because they 
didn't want the, they didn't 

641
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,320
want the negative publicity 
because these two male trolls 

642
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,080
who were quite openly gloating 
on the exit that it was them 

643
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,320
they were doing the the people 
of Cornwallis service of getting

644
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,240
rid of me as they see it. 
And they probably still see it, 

645
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,840
You know, they see themselves as
champions of disinformation. 

646
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,320
I mean, we, the GMC tribunal 
started and we read out two 

647
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,600
things. 
We read out a number of death 

648
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,040
threats and incidents of 
physical stalking. 

649
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,280
And then we read out an e-mail 
and it was quite sinister. 

650
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,640
I remember it to this day and it
said, I can remember the words 

651
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,560
it said. 
We are a group of doctors and 

652
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,040
scientists on the X slash, 
formerly Twitter platform who 

653
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,640
have been tasked with keeping 
misinformation regarding COVID 

654
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,760
off this platform. 
Doctor Cartman was a 

655
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,600
particularly obnoxious example 
of somebody spreading 

656
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,160
misinformation, which is why he 
became a target of our network. 

657
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,240
And then the GMC redacted the 
name of the individual who'd 

658
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,600
signed the Ms. So they're 
telling the GMC that I've been 

659
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,880
targeted by a group of doctors 
and malicious doctors and 

660
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,680
scientists and then the death 
threats. 

661
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,160
And then they went away. 
The GMC deliberated over it and 

662
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,600
said we'll grant vulnerable 
witness status to these guys. 

663
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,800
And Dave Carton's going to be 
public and beamed out. 

664
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,880
And they even allowed trolls 
into the tribunal, you know, 

665
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,640
even allowed trolls. 
They were advertising that they 

666
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,280
were selling memorabilia. 
They're popping corks at my 

667
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,840
demise and just a nasty level of
trolling. 

668
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,480
And like I say, it's that they 
haven't left my refereeing 

669
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,320
career alone. 
You know, one of my bits of 

670
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,680
sanity at the weekend is to run 
around a football pitch and take

671
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,120
charge of football matches, 
youth football, adult football, 

672
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,600
veterans, women's football. 
And they've come after that. 

673
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,680
The, the FA are getting several 
reports every single week about 

674
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,320
me from anonymous trials saying 
he's transphobic, he's a bully, 

675
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,600
he's this, this, that and the 
other. 

676
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,640
You don't really want this guy 
refereeing. 

677
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,560
And then we've got this. 
I know we're going to talk about

678
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,800
the DBS they're looking at. 
Yeah. 

679
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,080
Do you want to bring that up 
now? 

680
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,600
That'd be. 
Yeah, I mean, it's trick or 

681
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,520
truth. 
That you're striking off. 

682
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,880
I think this is the point, isn't
it? 

683
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,520
It's like this harassment has. 
I mean, it's very sinister 

684
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,800
actually, because how would they
even know? 

685
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,960
For example, I know in the book 
it was like, how did they even 

686
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,640
know where you were working? 
You were two hours away from 

687
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,200
your house. 
So this suggests a level of 

688
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,560
stalking which is well beyond, 
you know, just dropping into 

689
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,240
your local surgery where you 
know, he works or bringing them 

690
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,600
up. 
This is this is like 

691
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,560
orchestrated, high level, high 
funded and very determined. 

692
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,320
I mean, one of the guys is an is
an ophthalmologist from 

693
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,640
Nottingham. 
He travelled all the way to 

694
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,240
Wiltshire to sit three seats 
away from me, advertised the 

695
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,120
fact he'd arrived at one of the 
World World Council for Health 

696
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,600
meetings in Wiltshire. 
He's also travelled this summer 

697
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,680
to Cornwall and he was taking 
pictures of me refereeing a 

698
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,120
veterans match. 
You know, this is, this is where

699
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,480
I went to a beach. 
They posted the webcam of the 

700
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,440
beach I was at. 
Cartland's arrived at the beach 

701
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,160
with his family. 
It's, you know, and they were 

702
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,400
posting the webcam of me 
physically there with the kids 

703
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,880
building sandcastles. 
Cartland can't be at work today 

704
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,440
because we've seen him take his 
children to and from school. 

705
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,680
Hashtag. 
We've got eyes everywhere and 

706
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,360
it's so sinister. 
And you know, if, if I started 

707
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,920
posting things like that about 
some of them, you know, I know 

708
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,000
that I'd get a knock on the 
door. 

709
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,480
So it needs to be there's two 
tier policing around online 

710
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,480
thought policing and social 
media posting. 

711
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,240
I mean the GM CS view was if I 
write something about a doctor, 

712
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,760
you know, one of the doctors was
an obstetrician saying it was 

713
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,960
safe in pregnancy long term, 
100% safe. 

714
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,880
So I pulled her up on that. 
This woman wrote about me 17 

715
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,960
times. 
I tweeted 3 things about her and

716
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,160
they weren't particularly 
offensive. 

717
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,040
It's thanked Dr. X for 
inflicting spike protein upon 

718
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,520
your newborn. 3 tweets verses 
17. 

719
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,080
I was found guilty of harassment
and it was upheld of this 

720
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,240
obstetrician who was just 
following guidance. 

721
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,320
She told the story about how I 
was murdering pregnant women and

722
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,120
babies and she held the hand of 
a woman that because of people 

723
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,480
like David Cartland spreading 
misinformation, she slipped away

724
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,800
and she handed the baby over to 
this sobbing widow as she took 

725
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,840
her last breath and she had the 
panel sobbing. 

726
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,440
She happens to run the maternity
COVID inquiry, you know, and ran

727
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,400
and ran a trial around pregnancy
safety of the vaccine, you know,

728
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,000
which wasn't established. 
Classic abuse, isn't it, that, 

729
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,400
that you're accused of the thing
that they're doing to you? 

730
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,680
I mean, it's that kind of sort 
of satanic inversion that's 

731
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,520
going on. 
And the fact is they were doing,

732
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,960
I mean, it is a criminal offence
to stalk people. 

733
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,280
You can't just turn up and stalk
them and dox them. 

734
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:15,880
And I think it just shows how 
far the rot has gone that you 

735
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,840
had no recourse in this 
situation, that it wasn't just 

736
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,040
the GMC, but it was the court. 
It it's the, it's the police, 

737
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,080
it's the, and now you've been 
contacted by the DBS. 

738
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,040
So tell us about that. 
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting 

739
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,280
because one, one of the things I
was going to say is that they 

740
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,120
bought in the big guns for me. 
So I'm little old Dave Cartland 

741
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,320
down in Cornwall. 
You know who's whistle blowing? 

742
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,080
They bought in the head of the 
CPS London there's no higher 

743
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,520
barrister in the land to be the 
the legally qualified chair of 

744
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,239
the panel. 
And they brought in a homicide 

745
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,679
terrorist barrister as the GMC 6
grand a day representation. 

746
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,760
And he just lied and lied and 
lied. 

747
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,960
They banned all my witnesses. 
They banned all my witness 

748
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,520
statements, my own witness 
bundle, half of it they lost. 

749
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,000
They said I didn't respond to 
one of the five complaints. 

750
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,360
I didn't file a defence. 
Well, I've got a read receipt 

751
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,360
from the GMC showing that I 
actually did and the lawyer and 

752
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,640
the investigation officer had 
received it, but published in 

753
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,440
the NPTS report that's not. 
Didn't even bother furnishing 

754
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,680
the NPTS with a defence. 
As I mentioned, one of the other

755
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,320
doctors has been booted out of 
another tribunal for being a 

756
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,960
questionable character and 
that's all I say. 

757
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,760
But yeah, going back to the DBS 
trick or treat night, this doors

758
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,400
knocking, kids are coming around
and I thought it was a trick or 

759
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,840
treater. 
So I opened the door expecting 

760
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,880
to give sweets out and I had to 
sign for a package. 

761
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,160
And the package states that it's
from the DBS, the Criminal 

762
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,400
Records Bureau that's been 
slightly rebranded now. 

763
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,960
So this is the list you go on if
you've committed a crime. 

764
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,680
Now I'll make the point at this 
this juncture really, that 

765
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,720
considering I've been found 
guilty of three cases of 

766
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:49,000
harassment, if I harass 
somebody, there's two recourses,

767
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,800
you can either sue them or you 
can go to the police and report 

768
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,120
them as a crime. 
None of those things have ever 

769
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,880
happened. 
I've been found guilty by a 

770
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,440
tribunal of harassment with no 
crime number, no police contact 

771
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,640
and no successful civil action. 
So completely outside of their 

772
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,360
jurisdiction really. 
And then, I mean, this letter 

773
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,960
really basically says that it's 
automatic if you struck off, 

774
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,720
they've actually worded the 
charges because you were struck 

775
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:14,960
off for, quote, emotionally 
abusing vulnerable adults. 

776
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,680
Now these are, you know, again, 
I'm not going to give identity 

777
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,600
information out, but these are 
practicing people, practicing 

778
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,760
doctors, professionals, practice
managers. 

779
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,400
And then the other thing I did, 
the other crime, I gave 5 people

780
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,400
letters of support for them for 
exercising their bodily 

781
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,760
autonomy. 
A that wasn't necessary because 

782
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,400
people can say no with a valid 
refusal of consent with 

783
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,080
capacity. 
And it was basically just an 

784
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,720
insurance policy. 
During 23 people contacted me 

785
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:43,240
saying I've got to get to 
Canada. 

786
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,400
My mom's got cancer, she's on a 
deathbed, I need to get over 

787
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,000
there. 
Can you write a letter just in 

788
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,600
case I have to show it to 
somebody in immigration or a 

789
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,040
jobs worth stewardess And that 
was it. 

790
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,400
And they never actually show any
of them. 

791
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,760
GMC call it falsification of 
medical records for money 

792
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,280
originally. 
And this is where they kind of 

793
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,760
fell on the the strike off. 
They used this to justify the 

794
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,360
strike off, saying that it was 
irremediable behaviour, 

795
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,240
dishonesty. 
They really played on this 

796
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,240
dishonesty. 
Well, how do you know about 

797
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,440
these letters? 
Because I've admitted to doing 

798
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,480
them. 
And that came about, funnily 

799
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,720
enough, from entrapment. 
Again, the GMC are above the 

800
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:17,200
law. 
They got somebody to book in an 

801
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,280
appointment with me, asked for a
medical exemption for a business

802
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,720
trip to Canada, make or break. 
He described it. 

803
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,320
And then he said I haven't got a
medical reason doc. 

804
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,760
Does that matter? 
I said no premium, none. 

805
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,360
The sea. 
Yeah. 

806
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,560
Fear first, do no harm. 
And the second reason is your 

807
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,200
bodily autonomy is sacrosanct 
and you don't even, you know, 

808
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,840
you don't need to justify that. 
That's that's you probably. 

809
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,320
Get informed consent as a 
doctor, then that is an 

810
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,080
exemption. 
If the person will not freely 

811
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,320
consent to it, if they do not 
want it, then that is your 

812
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,800
exemption. 
I mean, we've argued that we've,

813
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,560
we set up something called 
PROMIC, which was giving forms 

814
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,960
to people for the doctors to 
certify. 

815
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,720
I cannot get informed consent 
for this drug. 

816
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:01,800
Therefore they are exempt 
because they are under coercion.

817
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,000
And that is against my 
professional code and against 

818
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
the law. 
So we cannot coerce people into 

819
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,440
having medical treatment. 
So yeah, what you were doing was

820
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,440
entirely in line with good 
medical practice and your GMC 

821
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,000
code of conduct. 
So what you, this is what I'm 

822
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,360
saying, where the GMC have then 
coded that as doctor contents 

823
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,920
has falsified medical records. 
And interestingly, about two 

824
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,800
years before this GMC case was 
cobbled together, they kept 

825
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,680
adding bits to it. 
You know, they, they were going 

826
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,480
to let me off. 
They sent me an e-mail saying 

827
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,040
we'll let you off this, these 5 
letters that you've admitted to 

828
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,720
doing in your rebuttal as long 
as you have for two years on 

829
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,400
your GMC record that you've 
falsified medical records. 

830
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,240
And I was not, well I'm not 
going to admit to that because I

831
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:43,720
didn't, I've not such to 
anyone's medical records have 

832
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,160
written a stand alone 
justification that the person 

833
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,680
can honour their own refusal, 
you know, bodily autonomy. 

834
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,080
Anyway, the reason I mention 
that now is because, and bear in

835
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,120
mind the GMC had no copies of 
these letters. 

836
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,880
So it's just a admission. 
You know, we asked them to 

837
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,440
furnish the MPTS with the 
physical letter. 

838
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,400
We couldn't. 
We asked them which law and 

839
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,120
regulation are broke because 
this is the accusation that 

840
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,080
Kotland flouted international 
policy and safeguarding 

841
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,680
regulations and they quote that.
The reason I mentioned that is 

842
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,280
it's in the letter here. 
So the DBS have followed up from

843
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,000
the GMC strike of saying I've 
emotionally abused vulnerable 

844
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,120
adults. 
And the second thing is I was 

845
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,600
willing to flout international 
policy and safeguarding 

846
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,720
regulations and allowed my own 
opinion to override safeguarding

847
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,840
rules. 
Now, they couldn't ever name the

848
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,200
rule that I'd broken. 
There was no rule, there was no 

849
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,040
law, there was no international 
regulation. 

850
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,720
But they've used that now and 
they've made a big leap to say 

851
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,000
because you were willing to 
flout safeguarding rules, that 

852
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,840
if you work with children in the
future that this will be a 

853
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,080
danger to them and that you'll 
be some sort of safeguarding 

854
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,880
risk. 
So they've made an application. 

855
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,600
Yet another legal fight, yet 
another cost getting a team 

856
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,880
together to fight this. 
I've got 8 weeks to appeal, else

857
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,440
they're going to put me on the 
DBS bias for vulnerable adults 

858
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,640
and children based upon, you 
know, I mean a debate with three

859
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,040
doctors and believe me, it was a
2 ING and throwing. 

860
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,000
It was a 6 1/2 a dozen of the 
other. 

861
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,240
Except the GMC wouldn't look at 
their six. 

862
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,320
You know the six things that 
they said about me? 

863
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,280
It was all Dave Cartman said 
this with no context applied. 

864
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,640
I wrote 5 letters to support 
bodily autonomy and I called out

865
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,720
a practice manager that 
discriminated against me. 

866
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,480
She called me a rabid anti 
vaxxer and she rejected my CV 

867
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,160
saying that I was a rabid anti 
vaxxer and the Google search 

868
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,200
showed me to be one. 
I've got 2° in a masters and 

869
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,840
this surgery is a surgery in 
trouble so I was a little bit 

870
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,880
miffed so I posted the e-mail 
fully redacted. 

871
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:32,200
Fully redacted, didn't name her 
name the practice and then she 

872
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,880
was, you know, she was playing 
victim. 

873
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,160
She said that I was I incited 
hate mail. 

874
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,400
So she had some mail sent to her
surgery from Doctor Mike Yeeda, 

875
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,000
the World Council for Health 
with 15 signatories and a 

876
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,480
retired old chap called John 
Savage. 

877
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:47,960
He wouldn't mind me using his 
name. 

878
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,920
And they furnished this practice
manager with the Pfizer 

879
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,080
documents. 
So hardly hate mail. 

880
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,600
There was no threats but but 
concerning the GMC have got this

881
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,040
thing where if I post anything 
about anyone and you come on Liz

882
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,040
later and I know this is not 
like you, but swore about them 

883
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,560
and said I think that doctor 
will burn in health for 

884
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,360
promoting it in pregnancy then 
I'm responsible. 

885
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,760
They call it incitement. 
So that was another string to 

886
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,240
that bow. 
They also said I showed 

887
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:16,600
hostility to the LGBTQ plus 
community simply for calling out

888
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,320
some of the more obscene things 
that happen at pride events with

889
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,280
trans women, men in women's 
clothing and dancing around 

890
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,200
children semi clad. 
And I've called it out publicly 

891
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,080
and I'm mocking the crucifixion.
We're both Christians saying 

892
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,080
Jesus is a fag and stuff like 
that. 

893
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,600
A person say, how is this right?
How can people get away with 

894
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,760
this? 
Dancing in women's underwear, 

895
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,400
you know, you know, leaving 
nothing to the imagination with 

896
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,880
children visible. 
What that used to be called was 

897
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,720
child safeguarding, but now it's
called hostility to the LGBTQ 

898
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:47,120
plus. 
And that was another charge they

899
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,520
found me guilty of. 
It was. 

900
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,520
It was. 
Particularly sinister about this

901
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,200
is, you know who tipped off the 
DBS? 

902
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,440
Like, is this normal that every 
doctor that's put in front of 

903
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,640
the GMC gets then checked by the
DBS? 

904
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,120
Or or is this a special 
treatment for Dave Carland? 

905
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,480
Well, on the on the letter list 
that blacked out the name of the

906
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,320
information something officer 
that has referred it on, but 

907
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,480
they're they're saying that it's
just standard practice for that 

908
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,400
particular outcome harassment. 
Now there's no not been any 

909
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,000
doctors struck off for 
harassment ever. 

910
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,040
And meanwhile, we're looking at 
doctors and one of our defences 

911
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,640
was where's the proportionality 
here? 

912
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,600
As I mentioned, three spots on 
Twitter, bilateral. 

913
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,640
And as I found out from the 
police, once you start 

914
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,960
interacting or responding to 
somebody who harasses you, the 

915
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,840
case is gone. 
It's null and void once you 

916
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,720
start interacting. 
So it's literally these three 

917
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,760
doctors, the vaccine letters, 
not exemptions, letters of 

918
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,440
support and this calling out the
practice manager. 

919
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,480
I mean, that was even more 
sinister. 

920
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,480
She tried to report before 
times, including on a Christmas 

921
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,760
Day. 
I mean, how sad do you have to 

922
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,360
be to report Dave on Christmas 
Day? 

923
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,320
And at that point, the GMC 
responded with a quite a 

924
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,640
thorough letter to her saying, 
look, he's done nothing wrong, 

925
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,760
he's quite entitled to, he's 
fully redacted everything. 

926
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,480
Then she's had a special 
delivery at the surgery, a brown

927
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,120
envelope, couldn't write it, and
one of the trolls would sort her

928
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,800
out and given her a screenshot 
that was so badly doctored, so 

929
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,400
badly photoshopped that my kids 
could have done a better job 

930
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,160
with the crayon. 
And they basically put her name,

931
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,080
her date of birth, her address 
and her e-mail address on top of

932
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,960
the tweet. 
And like I say, it was a 

933
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,080
different font, it was 
depixelated, it was one key. 

934
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,800
And I explained this to the GMC.
Guess what? 

935
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,440
Wasn't allowed to use that. 
In fact, I didn't file a defence

936
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,960
for this case, which I did for 
the 25 page document explaining 

937
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,160
all of this, but found guilty. 
Actually, to go back to this 

938
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,760
kangaroo court, because that 
chapter in your book, which 

939
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,480
comes towards the end, as I read
it, I literally thought I was 

940
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,480
going to be sick. 
It was that bad. 

941
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,640
And then I just started to weep.
It was so evil what you were 

942
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,880
subjected to. 
Like you were denied a voice. 

943
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:50,320
You were being publicly shamed. 
You were being, you know, you 

944
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,120
weren't allowed to have 
evidence, admit, you know, none 

945
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,440
of your witness statements were 
admissible. 

946
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,000
You know, you weren't allowed to
speak except for your barrister.

947
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,920
You weren't allowed to be 
anonymous. 

948
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,120
You were public and yet your 
accusers were allowed to be 

949
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,920
anonymous. 
It it just was. 

950
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,240
They weren't even pretending to 
give you a fair trial. 

951
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,640
It was so far from a fair trial.
It was, I mean, they just have 

952
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,960
no shame because it was, it was.
At one point, the Human Rights 

953
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,880
Act, we applied for strike off 
of the case based upon breaches 

954
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,880
of three aspects of the Human 
Rights Act, you know, fair 

955
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,640
trial, freedom of speech, 
etcetera. 

956
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,240
And they just came back and they
deliberated for two or three 

957
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:34,160
hours while you sat under house 
arrest with your laptop going in

958
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,640
and out of this virtual hearing.
And they came out and they just 

959
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,880
said no, no, we decided that 
we're going to continue. 

960
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,640
You know, we applied for various
things throughout the process of

961
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,920
the privacy order. 
Let's just do this behind closed

962
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,320
doors, you know, bearing in mind
the depths that they threw me. 

963
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,760
And the reason the case was 
adjourned was because I had a 

964
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,560
deterioration in my mental 
health and became, frankly, 

965
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,280
suicidal at this witch hunt, 
losing my beloved career and my 

966
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,440
financial future and my 
reputation all in one foul 

967
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,080
swoop, you know, And it made me 
feel really, really depressed, 

968
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,600
you know? 
And so that's why we adjourned 

969
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,240
it. 
So the GMC knew that going into 

970
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:07,400
the second-half that they'd 
adjourned the first half because

971
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,400
of a suicide attempt. 
And I speak openly about that 

972
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,760
now because that's we know that.
We know the GMC drive people who

973
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,120
are under investigation to 
suicide, I think is one in three

974
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,640
contemplate suicide. 
And I know why now because they 

975
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,920
treat you like an animal, they 
treat you like you're guilty. 

976
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,920
One of the first thing they did 
even before I've even had any 

977
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,600
evidence heard was right to 
every single surgery in Cornwall

978
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,320
that I worked at and every 
hospital saying just to let you 

979
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,800
know, you're locum doctor David 
Carton has been accused of and 

980
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,760
will be investigated for 
harassment, bullying, 

981
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,880
incitement, homosec, LGBTQ plus 
hostility and falsifying medical

982
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,600
notes. 
And that that had gone out to 

983
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,400
all malpractices, never worked 
at any of them again. 

984
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,520
So even in the run up, the 
three-year debacle, which you 

985
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,800
know ended in the actual 
tribunal starting in earnest is 

986
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,040
that they stopped me from 
working. 

987
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,320
And Cornwall's a place where, 
you know, bad news travels fast 

988
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,600
and it's a very gossipy place. 
And so, you know, 1 bad word. 

989
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,720
This is one of the reasons I 
wrote the book, so people can 

990
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:03,640
hear how bad it really was. 
And it was absolutely immoral, 

991
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,440
illegal. 
I mean, the way they found out 

992
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,640
about the vaccine exemptions. 
As I mentioned, two of the GMC 

993
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,560
complainants reported it to the 
GMC on the same day. 

994
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:14,800
So this actor had sent the 
footage, the WhatsApp exchange 

995
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,840
to these two victims of mine who
submitted it on the same day, 

996
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,640
15th of September and almost 
word for word, identical emails,

997
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,880
word for word, like somebody had
written it before that. 

998
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,680
It's just unbelievable. 
And you say to the GMC, this is 

999
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,440
entrapment and collusion because
these two doctors, you know, and

1000
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,440
all these three doctors were 
chatting to each other online as

1001
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,680
well. 
You know, I've reported them on 

1002
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,120
Monday. 
I suggest you do the same. 

1003
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,400
I'll do it on Wednesday. 
Got them in their in their 

1004
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,320
speeches, they're saying that 
they don't know each other. 

1005
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:42,680
I mean, there's nothing. 
It was. 

1006
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,280
You were being it was the 
biggest pile on, wasn't it? 

1007
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,840
Because it wasn't just 
individuals, it was you were up 

1008
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,000
against these powerful bodies, 
your regulators, the justice 

1009
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,120
system, the police, you know, 
social services, everybody. 

1010
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:02,520
The DBS now have like, you know,
joined in and, and you were not 

1011
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,080
even allowed to speak. 
And I cannot imagine how that 

1012
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,800
must make you. 
I mean, it is nothing short of a

1013
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,040
miracle. 
You know, by the grace of God 

1014
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,920
that you're actually still here 
because I think what you have 

1015
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,480
endured has been obscene and 
it's been unrelenting. 

1016
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,240
And it's just been multiple 
sources, you know, and then the 

1017
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,320
media, you know, you've kind of 
got everybody. 

1018
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,800
And as I said to you earlier, 
you know, what Andrew Wakefield 

1019
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,760
endured was horrific, you know, 
but what you described is taking

1020
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,720
it to a whole nother level. 
I was I was a double page 

1021
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:35,920
spreading the local Cornishman 
newspaper. 

1022
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,520
One was AI mean the the trolls 
have managed to contact several 

1023
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,760
people in my personal life. 
They wanted hit pieces from my 

1024
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,600
ex-wife, neighbors, friends, 
colleagues. 

1025
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,960
They were actively going out and
seeking these people dishing, 

1026
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,080
digging for dirt on me. 
But they got the ear of the 

1027
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,240
local editor of the newspaper 
Cornwall Live. 

1028
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,200
He wrote about 8 or 9 hit pieces
about me in 2 weeks. 

1029
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,360
Now it was unprecedented for a 
paper to publish so many 

1030
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,000
articles all disparaging and 
they actually published that I 

1031
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,880
was struck off 2 days before I 
was struck off. 

1032
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,760
I mean that's how corrupt it 
was. 

1033
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,440
You know, that's published that 
I was going to be struck off. 

1034
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,800
I mean it's no one's explained 
that to me. 

1035
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,520
And then they went digging 
through my social media and they

1036
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,800
wrote a hit piece and the 
headline was, and I'll quote it 

1037
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,000
exactly, cost you 40,000 to 
fight this in court to sue. 

1038
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:24,600
It said inside the warped mind 
of dodgy struck off Cornwall GP 

1039
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,160
and his homophobic worldview. 
So they'd gone on then to look 

1040
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,040
at social media posts, they 
believe we're homophobic. 

1041
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,640
And I'll give you one example. 
One was a picture of Sam Smith, 

1042
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,240
the singer, and they had this 
massive like mushroom outfit, 

1043
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:38,240
feather boa, etcetera. 
And I put human evolution, 

1044
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,400
that's it, that's the post. 
I put another one about a man 

1045
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,160
holding a number element above 
his wife and two children. 

1046
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,520
It said man, woman, boy, girl, 
I'm a father and I'm protecting 

1047
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,520
my children from gender 
confusion. 

1048
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,600
How's that homophobic? 
And they go on for several. 

1049
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,800
They remember Little Britain, 
I'm a lady, you know, the guys 

1050
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,480
that went I'm a lady. 
And it's just mocking that, that

1051
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,840
that's actually become reality 
now. 

1052
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,080
It's nothing to do with 
homosexuality, it's to do with 

1053
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,320
the transgender. 
And I see transgender as 

1054
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,560
something highly sinister in the
safeguarding concern, simple as 

1055
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,960
that. 
I'm entitled to that opinion. 

1056
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,120
It certainly isn't homophobia. 
Well, I just I want to say you, 

1057
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,240
you've probably had a lot of 
time to think about this, but if

1058
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,800
you had your time again, knowing
what you know now, what would 

1059
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,240
you would you do anything 
differently regarding how you 

1060
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,840
engage with the trolls? 
And what would you advise other 

1061
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,200
people in in if they're in find 
themselves in that position to 

1062
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,920
do what would your? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1063
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,400
I mean, I've reflected and, you 
know, I've tried to find fault 

1064
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,960
in myself. 
You know, how have I got in this

1065
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,280
situation? 
Absolutely. 

1066
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,440
I'd use the analogy of a bear. 
If you keep poking a bear, the 

1067
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,880
bear's going to attack, you 
know, But what the GMC were 

1068
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,880
doing, we're taking Polaroid 
snaps of me attacking and I have

1069
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,000
done before. 
I mean, I was going to think of 

1070
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,400
one example. 
I don't think it's appropriate 

1071
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,440
to go on the UK colour, really. 
But I, yeah, I forget what I was

1072
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,280
going to say. 
But ultimately, yeah, I have. 

1073
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,640
I've poked, poked back. 
You know, these people have 

1074
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,440
abused me, multifaceted attempts
at, you know, ruining every 

1075
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,280
aspect of my life. 
So occasionally I will, you 

1076
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,720
know, share an expletive with 
them. 

1077
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,480
What I tended to do was call 
them out so a lot of my store, 

1078
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,640
because I'll put a picture of 
them and say this is Mr. X, he 

1079
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,520
lives in so and so he's posted 
about a stranger in Cornwall 585

1080
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,280
times in the last two months. 
Does your wife know you do this?

1081
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,600
Things like that? 
So you know, professionalism at 

1082
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,720
all times, but when you 
provoked, you know, when they're

1083
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,680
threatening everything from 
your, you know, I've got four 

1084
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,480
children. 
You know, I've got to support 

1085
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,000
the I've just lost 120 grand 
year salary to be replaced by 

1086
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,320
joblessness. 
I can't get a job. 

1087
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,120
I've been applying to driving 
jobs, just normal minimum wage 

1088
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,840
stuff. 
The referee and I mentioned, and

1089
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,280
they're even trying to stop that
and they're getting ACV from a 

1090
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,680
guy who's got two medical 
degrees and a masters. 

1091
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,440
And so why does he want to drive
for Amazon? 

1092
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,280
And then they Google me and it's
not a pretty sight if you Google

1093
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,920
Dave Kotland. 
I wouldn't employ me. 

1094
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,440
But yeah, I think, you know, 
going back to the original 

1095
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,320
question, yeah, a bit a bit more
restraint. 

1096
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,120
You know, I have been provoked 
and I'm an emotional guy. 

1097
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,720
Yes, I know that that I've been 
a kind of operating as a lone 

1098
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,400
wolf screaming into the abyss. 
That's how I've kind of 

1099
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,200
positioned myself to avoid any 
politics. 

1100
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,280
But when it's every day, day in,
day out, five years and you know

1101
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,600
it's been the gym see they 
didn't just hurry up. 

1102
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,840
They're three years until the 
start of the tribunal. 

1103
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,000
They were adding stuff on. 
They were telling me that even 

1104
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,040
if. 
Designed to push you to your 

1105
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,640
limits, obviously. 
Well, in the end, I mean they 

1106
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:21,640
did. 
Not many people know this. 

1107
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,960
So he wrote to me again during 
the tribunal and said we're 

1108
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,480
going to come after you again, 
we're going to have another MPTS

1109
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,680
if you win. 
So I basically posted 3 

1110
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,080
naturopathic cancer supplement 
protocols from other people and 

1111
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,240
I put a disclaimer saying this 
is not my protocol. 

1112
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,960
These are from reputable 
naturopaths such as Sarah 

1113
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,600
Mayhill, Barbara O'Neill, 
etcetera. 

1114
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,840
Please seek medical advice and 
discuss with your oncologist 

1115
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,600
before commencing any of these 
supplements. 

1116
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,280
That was it. 
GMC rang me up and said we've 

1117
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,640
made a decision at senior level.
This is your next MPTS. 

1118
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,520
You're promoting cancer cures in
breach of the Cancer Act. 

1119
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,200
It's like, thank God. 
So they're already lining up 

1120
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,520
that's. 
Against the Cancer Act, isn't 

1121
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,320
it? 
It's really scary that you can't

1122
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:06,600
claim that anything apart from 
chemotherapy or radiation or 

1123
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,440
surgery can treat or cure 
cancer. 

1124
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,560
That's like, I mean, that was 
brought in decades ago. 

1125
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,880
It's quite frightening. 
So what do you think? 

1126
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,000
Now what you know, I, my 
conclusion and I reading your 

1127
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,320
book was that you've been 
subjected to this a very 

1128
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,600
concerted effort by some 
extremely powerful people, 

1129
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,200
possibly the deep state 
intelligence agencies to, to 

1130
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,600
literally destroy you. 
So they didn't just want your 

1131
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,800
career, they wanted to destroy 
your life. 

1132
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,960
And I think what you describe in
your books is pure evil. 

1133
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,120
So this level of targeting 
harassment, it's not down to a 

1134
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,120
few deranged individuals. 
It's clearly orchestrated, 

1135
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,840
extremely well funded and 
extremely influential. 

1136
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:51,520
So what are your thoughts as to 
who or what is behind this 

1137
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,280
campaign? 
What you know, because this 

1138
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,280
isn't just a group of doctors 
who are annoyed with you. 

1139
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,280
This isn't just, you know, AGMC 
who can't run a court case. 

1140
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,600
There's something very, very 
dark that's sort of you're 

1141
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,680
pulling the strings in this. 
Yeah, I mean, you look at the 

1142
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,280
sheer amount of these characters
and, and how far they're 

1143
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,040
prepared. 
I mean, only this week I, I was 

1144
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,480
walking on the beach and I 
thought I'd, I'd do a kind of ad

1145
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,840
hoc video. 
I use CBD oil and I just wrote a

1146
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,800
2 minute video saying I've been 
using CBD oil. 

1147
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,680
It's really good for anxiety, 
stress, and it's helping me 

1148
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,160
sleep at the moment during 
stressful times. 

1149
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,200
And the video posted it two days
later. 

1150
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,320
Advertising Standards Agency 
write a letter to me reported by

1151
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,280
the trolls. 
My website's up and running for 

1152
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,720
the new health coaching and it's
been reported already for one, 

1153
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:37,600
one page that we forgot to add 
to it about data protection, 

1154
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,680
etcetera. 
Been reported to the ICO 

1155
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,640
already. 
So yeah, I mean, these could be 

1156
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,080
these people know exactly 
because sometimes I'll test it, 

1157
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,920
I'll put a post up and remove it
within 12 seconds, 10 seconds 

1158
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,200
they've captured it. 
So they've got technology. 

1159
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,360
And then I know people who 
privately investigated these 

1160
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,480
people and found the technology 
that they use. 

1161
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,680
And, you know, it's pretty high 
tech stuff. 

1162
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,960
And you know, these characters 
are dotted all around, all the 

1163
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,280
way around the world. 
I've got a stalker in Costa 

1164
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,640
Rica, Canada, an expat up in 
Thailand running some sleazy 

1165
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,240
massage parlour. 
So whoever they are, I mean 

1166
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:11,440
they're recruiting some real 
drafts of society. 

1167
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,200
I mean, they, they all tend to 
have some ex military connection

1168
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,280
for sure. 
Even this Costa Rican couple 

1169
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,360
have just found out have got, 
they're both ex military. 

1170
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,800
A lot of the trolls have got 
nods to Freemasonry, nods to 

1171
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,960
openly, openly nodding that 
they're Freemasons, openly 

1172
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,160
nodding that they're ex military
personnel. 

1173
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,240
And so there's obviously 
accusations at 77 Brigade who 

1174
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:32,880
openly admit to what they do. 
There's other organisations, 

1175
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,800
NGOs like CCDH, they're heavily 
involved. 

1176
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,640
CCDH at the beginning we had 
Project Halo and that kind of 

1177
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,800
morphed into something else. 
And you've got Reality Team and 

1178
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,880
CTI League, go to any of their 
websites, they tell you exactly 

1179
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,560
what they do. 
Neutralize. 

1180
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,720
They use that word, neutralize 
targets. 

1181
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,720
And they're quite open. 
So I don't know exactly who they

1182
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:53,440
are. 
I'd love to know. 

1183
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,600
And obviously. 
You know, I'm thinking about 

1184
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,040
what their goal is. 
I mean, you must have been right

1185
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,400
over the target, like what you 
were doing was had the potential

1186
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,160
to bring everything down. 
So you were, you know, little 

1187
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,880
Dave Cartland in Cornwall was a 
massive threat to this huge 

1188
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,400
global enterprise going on. 
And they wanted to make an 

1189
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,160
example of you, of course, to 
terrify other doctors who you 

1190
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,200
know, because they knew people 
there would be people that would

1191
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,560
want to speak out. 
So they have to really go for a 

1192
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,960
few to to shut up the many. 
Yeah, I was watching this. 

1193
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,480
All of my fellow dissenters were
picked off one at a time. 

1194
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,480
You know, we had Sarah, Sarah 
Myhill, Mohamed Adeel, Sam 

1195
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,080
White, my good friend Dan 
Armstrong. 

1196
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,760
He was struck off for, quote, 
questioning the safety and 

1197
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,960
efficacy of the COVID vaccine. 
That was the reason. 

1198
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,360
That was it. 
Oh, dear. 

1199
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,000
And even one of the GMC guys 
wore a Freemason pin and the 

1200
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,600
Freemason tie while he was in 
the tribunal because that Dan 

1201
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,560
called him out on it and he got 
very flustered when he mentioned

1202
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,640
Freemason report, you know, to, 
to, to, to seek legal recourse 

1203
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,960
here, Liz. 
I mean, the whole GMC case cost 

1204
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,600
me £80,000 in legal costs, 
right? 

1205
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,040
I didn't have any MPs or 
whatever it's called now. 

1206
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,040
I'll get to the end of that and 
you get one month to appeal. 

1207
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,000
Obviously. 
I took to my bed for about a 

1208
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,600
month. 
I was licking my wounds. 

1209
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,120
I never had a shave. 
I barely had a shower. 

1210
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,160
I barely ached, just hit a 
massive depression because of 

1211
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,120
the it's sheer velocity. 
And they're expecting you to 

1212
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,440
formulate an appeal and they 
wanted £20,000 plus that. 

1213
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,800
And if you lose, you pay the GM 
CS costs and they got 2 

1214
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,840
barristers on 6 grand a day. 
So there's a financial 

1215
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,720
disincentive. 
And then you get 3 months to do 

1216
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:31,520
a judicial review from the 
strike off day. 

1217
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,600
And so I entertained that idea. 
I raised a crowdfund for it and 

1218
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,320
then other civil litigations 
intercepted there to take that 

1219
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,080
fund away. 
This specific exact figure that 

1220
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,360
I needed. 
You need 50,000 quid £50,000 to 

1221
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,440
go to judicial review just to 
even get the ear of a judge to 

1222
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,240
listen to this. 
I mean no one in the land would 

1223
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:51,960
say that it was a just tribunal 
at all. 

1224
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,760
You know you can to not allow a 
defendant witnesses for 

1225
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,120
starters, you know ones our very
own Ross Jones wrote a character

1226
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,080
reference. 
They've received 380 positive 

1227
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,000
testimonies about me from 
various walks of life from 

1228
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,000
friends and family to ex 
patients etcetera. 

1229
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,120
The GMC legally qualified chair 
said we're not going to include 

1230
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,600
this in the bundle for Doctor 
Kant's defence because they do 

1231
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,560
not under the people writing the
testimonies do not understand 

1232
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,840
the intricacies and details of 
this case. 

1233
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,240
It doesn't really matter what 
the case about, it's a stand 

1234
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,360
alone testimony saying about my 
good nature and good character. 

1235
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,800
They wouldn't even read them 
anything that was positive about

1236
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,520
me, you know, unbelievable, 
unprecedented. 

1237
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,320
I think my barrister had to have
about 3 months off to recover. 

1238
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,840
He's never seen anything like 
it. 

1239
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,760
Yeah, so I mean, as you describe
in your book it, this literally 

1240
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,160
took you to the brink, to the 
edge of a Cliff in in your 

1241
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,360
darkest moment. 
But thankfully, you're here to 

1242
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,200
tell the tale and looking 
forward to the future, you're 

1243
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,240
now embarking on new projects. 
You've got your health coaching 

1244
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,400
and podcasting, which is really 
exciting. 

1245
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,920
And I just wondered, like, how 
has your faith helped you to get

1246
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,200
through this journey? 
And what are your reflections on

1247
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,840
what you've been through over 
the last few years and how you 

1248
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,160
make sense of this journey 
you've been on? 

1249
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,640
Yeah, I mean, going right back 
to the beginning of the 

1250
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,040
pandemic, the church, I felt the
church was a let down. 

1251
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,200
I was a New Zealous Christian 
learning the biblical principles

1252
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,720
and a biblical way of life. 
And the church shut its doors in

1253
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,440
the faces of people and reverted
to Zoom prayer meetings and we 

1254
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,400
lost about 1/3 of the flock, as 
it were, from our church in 

1255
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,960
Penzance and never to return and
silly rules being practised. 

1256
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,480
And and I'm saying to what 
really disappointed me was the 

1257
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,040
spiritual battle that was 
clearly being fulfilled in the 

1258
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,840
five years that we've seen it. 
I called it prophetic bingo. 

1259
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,240
It's a part of my testimony 
becoming a Christian was looking

1260
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,240
at the Bible and what came true 
from Old to New Testament. 

1261
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,040
And in the recent years we've 
seen, you know, Romans one come 

1262
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,560
true, 2 Thessalonians 2 born out
in the pandemic. 

1263
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,080
And there'll be a grand illusion
that even the elect will be 

1264
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,520
deceived. 
You know, it says it in in in 

1265
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,000
clear text, really. 
Two Timothy, three generation. 

1266
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,760
And I'm sort of ticking these 
off in my head. 

1267
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,240
And all you're getting from the 
churches, I think it's Romans 

1268
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,120
13, isn't it always, you know, 
succumb to what the government 

1269
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,520
tell you to do and sort of 
ignoring the higher power in 

1270
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,440
God? 
So I've took my spiritual 

1271
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,400
journey to a more personal 
level, you know, and I think 

1272
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,400
that's biblical as well, isn't 
it, Because it talks about the 

1273
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,120
Pharisees making an outward show
of their religion. 

1274
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,720
I call it church reality. 
People who turn up on a Sunday 

1275
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,600
and pray and sing and make a big
show and then forget Christian 

1276
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,600
ethos. 
I've not heard from any person, 

1277
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:26,680
brother or sister in Christ from
my church anyway since of struck

1278
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,000
off. 
In fact, one of the only 

1279
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,480
Christian doctors I know in the 
area said that if you should 

1280
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,280
never have jeopardized your 
career on this. 

1281
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,680
He said the he kept using the 
phrase and it really upset me 

1282
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,320
because he's a he's a guy who 
quit medicine to become a pastor

1283
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,960
of an evangelical church. 
He said this was never a hill on

1284
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,640
which to allow your career to 
die. 

1285
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,720
I'm saying that it's genocide 
and pregnant women and children 

1286
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,000
and deaths and harm and clocks 
and strokes. 

1287
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,400
And he's saying it's not a hill 
to die on. 

1288
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,320
Well, what is a hill to die on 
in your view? 

1289
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,760
And then he ended up blocking 
me. 

1290
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,760
So. 
That's absolutely. 

1291
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:01,840
Yeah, severely tested severely. 
You're right, it's all there in 

1292
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,520
the Bible. 
And I think actually those of us

1293
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:07,320
who can see the spiritual 
perspective, actually that is 

1294
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,120
life enhancing. 
And that really because you 

1295
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,800
understand the bigger picture 
and you recognise that where 

1296
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,880
you're standing, you're in the 
good fight and you are on the 

1297
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,120
right side of history, You are 
on the right side of this battle

1298
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,520
and history will judge you very 
well in the end. 

1299
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:27,760
So and you've now published 2 
books, so your anthology of 

1300
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,320
poetry which was a doctor's. 
And your latest Flash them up, 

1301
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,480
Flash them up. 
Yeah, this one, well, actually 

1302
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,880
split screen. 
Yeah, brilliant do no harm 

1303
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,440
Diaries of a vaccinated anti 
vaxxer which I would encourage 

1304
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,720
everyone to buy and there will 
be a link in the show notes to 

1305
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,040
both the books. 
Do you enjoy writing? 

1306
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,360
Has it been therapeutic and are 
there more books there that in 

1307
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,760
your head to be written? 
Yeah, it's a little known secret

1308
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,160
about me. 
If I'd never made it as a 

1309
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,080
doctor, I would have been either
a journalist or some sort of 

1310
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,080
English literature was my love 
through school. 

1311
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:00,880
That's why it took me so long to
get to Med school. 

1312
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,640
So I didn't do all the classic 
chemistry, physics, I did 

1313
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,960
English literature, maths and 
something else, biology. 

1314
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,960
So it's kind of a hotchpot 
really. 

1315
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,400
And yeah, I love it. 
I mean the the poetry book came 

1316
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,400
about from an insomnia period. 
I was just waking up at 3:00 

1317
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,280
getting some rhyming couplets in
my head and thought, let's get 

1318
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:19,920
these down. 
So I had sat there with my phone

1319
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,760
and sort of added, added, I've 
been writing these poems in 10 

1320
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,880
minutes flat. 
And you know, I've called 1 

1321
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:30,520
COVID cultists, 1 blind 
obedience, Mascoholics, keyboard

1322
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,880
warriors, a little nod to the 
trolls, a little ode to them and

1323
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,280
the characters that they are. 
And I've just sort of put it 

1324
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,800
together with a group of other 
outspoken doctors and people 

1325
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,960
who've been in the quote await 
communities. 

1326
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,600
And it's formed an anthology. 
And I really hope that people 

1327
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,280
enjoy the contents. 
And as you mentioned, the other 

1328
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,760
book is is my side of the story.
And something that really 

1329
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:53,280
concerned me was my Archer 
nemesis, Jeremy Vine posted on 

1330
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,600
Twitter, the Cartland's he put 
on Twitter to all of his 

1331
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,280
father's Cartland's legacy to 
his children and grandchildren 

1332
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,600
will be his Google search. 
And that really like a dagger 

1333
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,320
hit me. 
And I thought, I've got to get 

1334
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,280
my own version of events down. 
I've never spoke about Jeremy 

1335
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,280
Vine, by the way, never ever. 
But he decided to state that I 

1336
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,920
was. 
I've been abusive to him 

1337
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,040
apparently as well in another 
life. 

1338
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,040
But yeah, he put this thing 
about the legacy to my 

1339
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,000
grandchildren and children. 
And so I thought, no, I'm going 

1340
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,600
to give them a proper legacy 
that isn't run by Google. 

1341
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,440
It's going to be my poetry. 
It's going to be my story within

1342
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,640
do no harm. 
And yeah, I think maybe there's 

1343
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,280
there might be a sort of future 
in fiction. 

1344
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,480
Maybe as well. 
I might write some stories about

1345
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,040
my career. 
But as I said, third person tell

1346
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,960
some of the tales, the anecdotes
that I cover in the do not don't

1347
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,400
harm. 
That's some of the characters 

1348
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,200
that. 
We can definitely look forward 

1349
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,840
to that. 
And then despite everything 

1350
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,360
you've been through, you're 
still continuing to speak out 

1351
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,280
and help others, which is just 
such a testament to your 

1352
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,160
character with your health 
coaching business, which we'll 

1353
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,560
have a link in the notes and 
you're Breaking the Silence 

1354
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,240
podcast. 
So do you want to just tell us a

1355
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,360
little bit about your work in 
those areas? 

1356
01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:00,400
Yeah, I think my my barrister 
left me with a message actually 

1357
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,040
as we as we sort of closed our 
work together with the GMC. 

1358
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,840
So don't get mad, get even. 
Yeah, even. 

1359
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,760
So I think I'm going to continue
my work to get even to to 

1360
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,800
continue to whistleblower. 
And I always consider, I say 

1361
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,040
this aligning to views that I 
always imagine a scenario in, 

1362
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,320
you know, three years, not three
years in 30 years when my 

1363
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:19,840
grandkids say, Dad, what did you
do? 

1364
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,400
Granddad, what did you do? 
And I'll show them these videos 

1365
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,760
and say, look in amongst all the
silence and heads down and, you 

1366
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,200
know, all the cognitive 
distance, Daddy, Granddad spoke 

1367
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,880
up and I'll, I'll sleep well 
knowing that. 

1368
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,440
So yeah, the, the podcast 
itself, the principle is to get 

1369
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,640
NHS whistleblowers that haven't 
particularly had a platform 

1370
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,400
science background. 
I've done some interviews with 

1371
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,560
people, international folk who 
are from pharma, nursing 

1372
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,000
backgrounds, etcetera, caring 
backgrounds telling their story.

1373
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,120
There's also a series on vaccine
injury case studies as well. 

1374
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,520
So I've interviewed people 
who've just told their story. 

1375
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,080
I've not intimated it's vaccine 
injury that that's the 

1376
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,720
conclusion they've come to and 
some of the shenanigans that 

1377
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,400
they've got up to with the the 
medics gaslighting them, telling

1378
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,800
them they're all making up their
symptoms for fun, functional 

1379
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,520
neurological disorders, the 
latest trend and letting them 

1380
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,760
have a platform. 
And I've deliberately made it 

1381
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,920
really low tech. 
It literally recorded in this 

1382
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,400
room on my old battered laptop 
from uni. 

1383
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,800
I press record with no script 
and we roll the cameras and it's

1384
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,000
going really well on YouTube. 
It's really because I was banned

1385
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,120
on YouTube until two months ago.
They reinstated so I got the 

1386
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,600
idea to transfer the sub stack 
across to. 

1387
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,000
I'm an officially a YouTube now 
so again if anyone wants to. 

1388
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,160
Have a few 1000 followers there.
Haven't you already? 

1389
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,160
I I noticed that today about. 
Yeah, so I'm trying my best 

1390
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,080
really to make scraps of money 
for monetizing these things. 

1391
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,640
You don't make a lot of money 
from it but you know, a couple 

1392
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,480
of £100 for posting videos a 
month, it all adds to the 

1393
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:42,760
companies. 
How so? 

1394
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,880
How can we? 
How can people best help and 

1395
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,400
support you? 
Where can where can we find your

1396
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,640
work and what can we do to help 
you? 

1397
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,880
Just just spread the word. 
I think I've suffered a lot from

1398
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,680
censorship. 
And obviously if you Google me, 

1399
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,200
the reputational damage is there
for everyone to see. 

1400
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,320
So if everyone, you know, the, 
the, we really grew the health 

1401
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,840
coaching business before the 
trolls got to my business 

1402
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,080
partner. 
And then he had to run for the 

1403
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,400
safety of his family and kids 
because they were threatening 

1404
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,440
him and stalking him. 
So we've had to rebuild. 

1405
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,040
And it really relies on word of 
mouth. 

1406
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,400
So if people, you know, use the 
service or they see the website 

1407
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,600
and they like it, share it. 
I mean, you'll get attacked by 

1408
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,960
trolls, but nonetheless, just 
promoting them. 

1409
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,040
Books as well. 
I'd love every single GP you 

1410
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:20,960
know. 
If anyone's thinking about a 

1411
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,240
Christmas present you know for 
15 quids you can get yourself a 

1412
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,520
poetry book and a do no harm, 
pop it through the the door of 

1413
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,600
your GP and the chief vaccinator
and enlighten them as to what 

1414
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,360
happens. 
I'd love you to be honest with 

1415
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,080
GP's Christmas list. 
Brilliant. 

1416
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,200
Well, thank you so much, Doctor 
Carlin, for sharing your story 

1417
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,200
and experiences so honestly and 
vulnerably. 

1418
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,560
And I'm sure our viewers and 
listeners are as horrified as I 

1419
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,800
am by what you've endured, but I
hope they're also heartened and 

1420
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,000
inspired by your passion for 
truth and your immense courage 

1421
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,320
in the face of evil. 
Your erasure for the medical 

1422
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,200
register is a massive loss to 
your patients and to the medical

1423
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,800
profession who have lost a 
brilliant, compassionate and 

1424
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,440
ethical Doctor Who always put 
his patients first. 

1425
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,200
But I hope and pray that one day
you will be reinstated and that 

1426
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,760
justice and truth will prevail. 
And in the meantime, I just wish

1427
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,120
you all the best with your new 
projects and book sales, and do 

1428
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,040
encourage everyone to buy a copy
to show their support for you 

1429
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,480
and the brave stand you've taken
to uphold medical ethics. 

1430
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,880
Thank you very much. 
Thanks for having me Liz, always

1431
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:23,360
a pleasure.