Hello everyone and a warm welcome to UK Column.
I'm Liz Evans and I'm delighted to be joined today by a good
friend of UK Column who I am proud to call a friend to.
Doctor David Cartland is here to discuss his new book Do No Harm
Diaries of a Vaccinated Anti Vaxxer and just show you my copy
and to catch up with what's been happening in his life since he
last spoke to us in 2023. So I'm sure that Doctor Cartland
is well known to most of our audience.
But in case you don't know him, David was until recently a
highly experienced General practitioner GP in Cornwall.
He is eminently qualified in both science and medicine.
His first degree was in Biomedical Science, studying
immunology, virology, microbiology and medical
statistics and passing with first class honours.
He then went on to Birmingham Medical School qualifying as a
doctor in 2008 and has an also has an MSC in Medical Research
now. David has been a hero and
inspiration to so many of us with his selfless and courageous
whistleblowing from 2021 about serious side effects from the
COVID jabs that he was witnessing on the frontline as
AGP and an A&E. And in putting his head above
the parapet to speak truth to power, calling out corruption
and challenging the official COVID narrative at great cost.
He is truly the epitome of what it means to be a compassionate
and ethical Dr., risking and ultimately losing his career to
uphold his Hippocratic Oath to do no harm, putting his patients
interests and safety above his own and refusing to stay silent
despite ruthless persecution which tragically led to David
being struck off the medical register earlier this year.
Now UK column interviewed Dr. Cartland in February 2022 and
July 2023 and I'm going to put the links to these two
interviews in the show notes. So do listen to these or read
the first half of David's book to hear the story of the first
two to three years of his COVID fight and I'm sure we will touch
on that in the next hour or so. But a lot has happened since
then, which I really want to focus on in our conversation
today. So without further ado, thank
you very much for joining us. David, welcome.
Thanks for having me, Liz. It's a pleasure, as always, to
speak on the UK column. Yeah, I've probably aged a
little bit since we last spoke. I.
Think you're looking remarkably well?
So I'm going to start by talking about how you describe in your
book how becoming a doctor was your life's dream and at your
degree ceremony, how you stood proudly and recited the
Hippocratic Oath. And throughout your book, your
ethical conviction shines through alongside your disgust
at your colleagues failure to uphold informed consent and
their lack of courage to raise patient concerns.
During the COVID era. You were truly a voice crying in
the wilderness and no one was listening.
So my first question is, why are medical ethics so important to
you? And why do you think most of the
medical profession failed to uphold them during COVID and
just follow the narrative? No, it's a great question and
it's central really to my standards.
You mentioned in the book it's, you know, it's the centre of all
that we do, you know, every patient we see, you know, every
consult we conduct, You know, the centrepiece of it is medical
ethics, whether that is, you know, particularly around
informed consent was the focus for the COVID vaccine rollout
and we just simply weren't getting informed consent.
That was it at the end of story. No information was exchanged.
And the doctors pressing the plunger weren't even aware of
what they were pressing into the patient or where it went and for
how long. So, you know, just on every
corner there was an ethical breach really.
And, and also when there's coercion to do something,
coercion invalidates consent because there's been a, a
variable that kind of pressurises you, such as travel
or work, etcetera. And yeah, it's, it's a really
important tenant of what we do. And a lot of what I did in my
first degree was around medical ethics.
You know, if you've got no ethics as a doctor, you may as
well not bother getting out of bed in the morning.
Really. Yeah, I mean, it's such a
privilege, isn't it, to be a doctor and you have such a
position of power in that situation because the patient is
vulnerable, they're coming to you, you've got more knowledge
than them, you've got access to all these drugs and
interventions. And if we don't have medical
ethics that you're going to end up with abuse and atrocities
happening. I mean, that's what I've always
said. It's like that is the essential
framework within which a doctor patient consultation can happen
safely. And so were you surprised at the
lack of moral or ethical conviction of your colleagues?
Yeah, I kind of look in retrospect at the behaviour of
the, the mass of colleagues really, because you know, it
would have only took about, you know, I've always said 2 or 300
doctors doing what I've done just to step up to the plate.
And there's a, there's thing called the Bolan principle,
isn't there? As long as there's a responsible
body of medical opinion that agrees, then then you're you're
obviously not in the wilderness completely.
But yeah, it did surprise me. But at the same time, you know,
they've kept doctors busy. They've kept doctors flat out,
you know, running on fumes really for the last 10 years,
really, my whole career has really been a bad patch for
primary care, really. And, you know, easy pickings
really, because, you know, everyone was subject to the same
propaganda. You know, we saw the fear porn,
as we call it, the fear porn that was used the, the psyops
military grade really at times, wasn't it?
And you know, it duped many people more so the academics
really. But you know, at the same time,
they have to follow the orders, they have to follow guidance.
That's the another talent of medical practice.
You know, the it's guideline based.
And that's very different from my first degree.
I spoke about that a lot that my first degree taught me to
critically think critically, appraise, question everything,
look for conflicts of interest, look at the financial backing
behind papers. You know, papers can sometimes
contradict the body of the text in their conclusions.
We've seen that recently with a lot of the sort of vaccine harm
stuff. So, yeah, I mean, I'm
disappointed because, you know, all of the people that I've
spoken out have been picked off 1 by 1 and I can't explain it.
It's not been a pleasurable experience.
I often get asked you wish you kept your mouth shut.
Some days I feel like a deer I should have done.
But other times I think I think about locking my grandkids in
the eyelids, if I'm honest, and them asking me, Granddad, what
did you do to stop this, whatever this ends up being?
You know, what did you do to stop it?
And, you know, I've, I've put my head above the parapet, as you
say, and, you know, lost my career for it.
But, you know, it's, it's kind of meant to be, I think.
I don't think I could have gone back to NHS practice really,
given some of the antics in the last five years and had a little
stint back in general practice just before I was ruled to be a
danger to the public and bringing the profession into
disrepute. And it just wasn't fun.
I became a, you know, a pill pusher again very quickly, you
know, 10 minute processing of a patient, you know, they've
waited weeks and weeks to see you and, you know, a multitude
of problems that I just couldn't even scratch the surface of.
So yeah, I'm glad I'm kind of in a new kind of new version of
myself really as a health coach now and reinventing myself and
better off out. To be honest, there's a lot of
things that I don't like about medicine.
Looking back, really the culture, we've seen it with the
COVID era. I've seen it through my career
where you whistleblow. You don't whistleblow for the
full of it. You whistleblow because you've
got genuinely held concern about, it's an issue around the
practice, usually safety concern.
But I mean, they've, they've, they've kind of rebranded it now
to freedom to speak up guardianship, aren't they?
And kind of like a rebrand. But when you speak up, you're
not free because you may as well pick up your P-45 on the way out
of the building. That's how it's turned out to
be. And you kind of get made to feel
the troublemaker just for having the stuff patient safety at the
centre of all that you do. And a bit of a sort of yeah,
like a rebel rouser really. If you do raise concerns with
management, then there is a culture of cover up in the NHS
that's that's clear and a culture of bullying.
And, you know, most of my GMC complaints came from either
anonymous trolls, which I know we're going to talk about, or
usually snitches from the medical profession.
And, you know, the GMC protect the names and the identities of
these people. I had about 250 reports, I think
in the end and it was just doctors can't spreading
misinformation. That was the bulk of it.
There was never any qualification as to what
misinformation. There was never any offer of
debate. I've never had any debate, I
don't think in the whole five years really.
And there was never any rebuttal data.
You know, if they've can't be spreading misinformation like
it's unsafe in pregnancy, well, show me the safety data in
pregnancy. And then that's how you get get
people to be, you know, accept its debate.
It's what we used to do at the beginning of my career.
And then the COVID era happened and debate went out of the out
of the out of the picture. It was just suddenly on mass, no
discussion. It's safe and effective.
If you speak out, you Wakefield it as I call it.
Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's interesting,
though, now looking back, I think when we came into COVID,
we already had very ethical, shaky ethical foundations.
I think you're right. The more we've turned to
guidelines and protocols, the more we've started to dismantle
ethical medicine over probably the last 20 or 30 years.
And as you say that this is very well documented, even before
COVID, how whistleblowers are treated so badly in the NHS, You
know, they're encouraged to come forward.
And then they, you know, there was a big Telegraph
investigation fairly recently showing that they're harassed,
they're bullied, they're reported to, you know, their
line managers, they're reported to their regulatory agencies.
And, you know, given a really hard time, which you know,
suggests that we've gone so far away from I, I think when you
and I both, well, I, I trained in the 90s and I think it was a
totally different ball game then medicine.
So I think this probably couldn't have happened 50 years
ago. Do you agree?
Do you think that they couldn't have pulled this off in the sort
of old culture where doctors had real autonomy and they were
respected and they were able to operate it with their clinical
judgement? They weren't following protocols
and you know, privacy, confidentiality, your doctor
patient relationship was privileged.
You know, you couldn't just share information.
So there was all of that going on.
What What are your thoughts on that?
I think my career has kind of spun that era as well where you
know, the good, good old fashioned, you know, old school
GPS, for example, you know, and, and, and risk takers, like you
say, it wasn't as focused on guidance or pharmaceuticals.
I know now even just towards the back end of my career, we, we
know in all of the chronic disease management, nice
guidance, for example, there's always that section before you
go onto drugs, you go for intense lifestyle management.
And they sort of skip over that now because again, we, we, we
financial benefits, to be honest with you.
I mean, GPS get paid because they satisfy their quaff
registers and get everyone who's got blood pressure issues under
a certain cut off, everyone's cholesterol under a certain cut
off. And we've seen the medical
curriculum change as well. And I saw that in the difference
between the two degrees that, as I mentioned, it taught me
critical thinking. It underpinned a lot of the
medical curriculum with the science and the root cause.
You know, a lot of what we do in medicine is just sticking
plasters, really. Patient comes in, they've got
hyponatremia, you correct it and you boot them out.
You don't ask yourself, well, why is that person got low
sodium, for example? You just correct the
correctables and off you trot. And again, that's that culture
about, you know, overrun hospitals over, there's too many
patients, not enough doctors, and everyone's running around on
fumes. As I mentioned, morale is low
and I think that's changed. I've felt the the morale shift
in the sort of latter five years.
Everyone's just flogging themselves day in, day out.
Yeah, I remember back to my sort of junior year.
So we're really good old school doctors.
And they would risk take and they would say things, you know,
like now we're hearing about doctors when they're, you know,
they're they're clocking in a patient, they'll say, how many
vaccines did you have? But I can't document it.
But back in the day, they would have done if they spotted a
trend that, you know, people having strokes in their 20s at
all exclusively been COVID jabbed in the recent days before
then, you know that you would have probably had the confidence
to speak out. And I think there was more of a
togetherness back then as well. There's an isolation around
working as a doctor now. So imagine you're flat out.
I used to go to my room in the in primary care and not leave.
You go out to make a coffee, self catheterise occasionally
and and on your way to a home visit and just, you know, just
flat out and you never see another human apart from the
patients in front of you but. And presumably, I think you
know, with the short consultations as well, 5 to 10
minutes is so short. What else can you do but reach
for a drug? There is no time to discuss
anything that you have. I presume you don't really have
time to examine anyone. You know, we were always taught
it's so important to take a, a full history.
Then you need to examine the patient.
You don't, you don't do tests until you're kind of, you know,
70% of the way through where you'll think you've already got
a differential diagnosis in your head.
Then you get to do your testing. Then you start to talk about,
you know, the non pharmaceutical option.
You don't have time to do any of that as AGP in five to 10
minutes. It must be such a unsatisfactory
way to practice medicine. Well, on top of that, I mean,
to, to pass out as AGP, you have to not only have the knowledge,
like you say, the history of the examination and further testing,
but there there's this kind of like polished way of passing
your exam. You have to consider the
patient's presenting problem in the context of the biology of
it, the psychology of it and the social aspects of it.
So it's a biopsychosocial approach, they called it.
So you have to see, you know, when you do your driving test,
you do mirror signal manoeuvre. That was very much what you're
trained to do as AGP. And as well as that, then you
have to address the patient's ideas, concerns and expectation.
So again, if you don't address that, then you're going to have
an unhappy punter at the end of it.
Because if they think their headaches a brain tumour and you
don't reassure them that it's not a brain tumour, then they're
just going to return, you know, for another 5 minute appointment
next week with another doctor usually.
So if I was to practice medicine like that, you know, you'd be
having to need 45 minutes per patient.
And, you know, you're doing these 20 patient clinics
back-to-back and, you know, you're juggling mental health
with gyne, breast lumps, prostate issues and mental
health and everything in between.
So, yeah, it was not a very satisfactory end to the career
anyway. So I kind of thanked the GMC in
a sort of reverse way. Thank them for releasing me, But
I don't like the reputation of stuff that's gone with it, which
I'm sure we'll talk about. Yeah, we will, definitely.
So before we move on to that though, have you always been
kind of awakened questioning or is this something that came to
you during COVID? So what before, you know, in
that first ten years of your career, were you going along
with the consensus generally or did you always have quite an
independent maverick streak to you?
Would you question things when they didn't make sense?
I think you've just nailed it with that phrase independent
maverick. And again, that would be that
would be tarnished with troublemaker.
You know, you go in around saying, you know, I think these
appointment times are a bit too short, can have a couple of
minutes extra and, you know, you get slapped down essentially.
So, yeah. And the centre of what I did has
always been patient safety. I know it sounds a bit a bit
soft, but, you know, that's what you do.
You sign up to be a doctor to look out for your patients, to
help them and the safety is the the principal point in that
consultation. So yeah, no, I've always been a
bit of a maverick. I mean, at the beginning of the
pandemic, obviously I took the jab for starters.
So it kind of tells its own story.
I believed it. I used to watch the BBC and
watch people dropping in the streets and questioning it.
Don't get me wrong, I questioned it, but you know, I was kept
busy. I was doing full time general
practice urgent care, some A&E shifts at the time.
So really wasn't that interested to be honest.
I was chatting to people who had COVID, you know, variations on
man flu. Really.
That's all I was getting from triaging these people.
Certainly wasn't hospitalising anyone, particularly any young
people, pregnant women or, you know, healthy adults with no
comorbidity. But yeah, so I took the vaccine
more and more due to the coercion of, you know, taking,
you know, the, the mandate was coming.
And I think it was a matter of days before the mandate was
reversed. I bottled it one fateful day and
roll must leave. I won't repeat exactly what I
said, but it wasn't informed consent.
It was kind of under duress. And so, yeah, that was it.
And you know, just started to see really the whole principle
for me was ethics, as we talked about already, the lockdown
saying, well, this is unprecedented.
You know, there's going to be collateral damage here
financially, mental health, etcetera.
Masking, just seeing bonkers, you know, particularly when
boxes state clearly these are not for protection around
COVID-19 actually says it on the boxes.
And then some of the silly rules were coming in, you know,
bubbles and rules of 6 and you know, you need to wear a mask
until you sit down and eat a steak and then you're good,
you're protected. The steak and chips are highly
protective, allegedly for the the wild type strain and just
weird rules that. Crazy times.
And then and then suddenly the
answer to all this? The vaccine.
It's safe. It's effective.
Lots and lots of propaganda, lots of fear, lots of
celebrities bad mouthing people who decided to exercise their
bodily autonomy. And it really for me came down
to my full awakening was from seeing the vaccine injured, you
know, in my room, in a clinic room in the middle of Penzance
where I live. Little surgery, not on many
patients really. And spotting the trends of the
fact that all the people that were getting alleged COVID had
had two jabs to stop them getting COVID and they were the
ones that were occupying the hospitals.
And I remember the date at the time, the UKHSA data showing
that, you know, upwards of initially 70, but then 80% of
deaths and hospital admissions, we're in the double vaccinated
at the time. That was before the booster idea
was born. And as soon as that booster went
in, that for me was the real trigger warning.
People would come in to me. It wasn't me suggesting that it
was a vaccine. They were saying I had that jab
yesterday or three days ago. I've not felt right.
And now I'm getting chest pain and low and behold, it turns out
to be APE. And, and one particular week we
had two females die in their 40s and it said coroner confirmed
post mortem vit vaccine induced thrombocytic thrombocytopenia
death by 1000 clots. Must have been a horrible death
for these two women. I had to make the condolence
call to 1 particular husband. And on that same week we had a
man collapse. He'd had the jab yesterday and
he had a cerebral venous thrombosis the following day,
seizing in the street. Get a call from the neurosurgeon
telling me that, you know, this guy's having a cerebral venous
thrombosis removed from his brain.
And I said, you don't think he could be the vaccine and he had
it yesterday. And that's the first ever time
I've been called that fateful word anti vaxxer by the
neurosurgical Reg. She said, you're not one of
those anti vaxxers, are you? And I recounted that.
And I mean, that weekend they jabbed.
These were all three were AstraZeneca and two deaths and
one cerebral venous thrombosis. Told the the guy running the
vaccine centre saying, look, these are the death
certificates. This is a guy who's just
contacted me from Derryford Hospital locally, the
neurosurgical centre. And he he went on to jab people,
500 people that weekend with AstraZeneca.
Well, you know, if I give somebody.
Just thinking about these colleagues of yours who you
know, must have been seeing the same thing as you, they you
can't have been the only GP in Cornwall who was getting all of
the vaccine injured. And yet do do you think
psychologically it was almost too much cognitive dissonance?
They were in too deep. They were so bought in to this
narrative and they were so, you know, in it and colluding with
it, that they literally just covered their ears, covered
their eyes and just refused to admit what was going on and just
dug themselves deeper into a hole.
Is that kind of how you saw it? Put it this way, if I'd been
jabbing pregnant women and children with the COVID-19
vaccines, I'd be keeping my head well down.
You know, I say there's an there was an actual pandemic that did
happen over the five years ostrich syndrome.
And that's what they are. You know, you've got this
cognitive dissonance that kind of not wanting to even just talk
about it. You don't want to hear Dave
Cartman talking about the multi systemic inflammatory effects an
autoimmunity that it induces because guess what, they've had
three or four themselves while saying that a lot of the NHS
staff said no didn't they? You know the the uptake of the
flu vaccine this year has been rubbish.
Great news that the COVID vaccine bottomed out after two.
Most doctors and nurses stopped after the 2.
They didn't take the booster. So you know 80% of the NHS are
anti vaxxers according to that. And you just have to ask
yourself, what are they seeing? What are they seeing?
And, and it's always a whisper In the last role.
People were coming into my room, tapping me on my shoulder.
Well done Dave, you've done really good.
People were recognizing me, patients and staff and almost
like locking the door and making sure no one saw that they were
having these conversations. How are you dealing with these
vaccine injuries, Dave? What are you giving them?
What are you recommending behind closed doors?
I've offered to give every Cornish practice a free hour of
my time to talk about spike protein detox.
No one answered the e-mail, surprisingly, so I don't know.
I can't explain it. There's wilful blindness.
There's buyer's remorse as well. You know, if you know, you don't
want people. Yeah.
And maybe a lack of intellectual humility, like in a sense,
because you'd also had a couple of jabs, but you were able to
kind of be more adaptable and, and change course and say, wow,
OK, that didn't work. There's a real situation here.
Now I'm going to change my mind. I think people really struggle
these days to change their minds once they've taken a a position.
And how much do you think that whole ideology around vaccines,
that sacred cow of medicine, was that the kind of genius Trojan
horse within which to bring this, you know, bio weapon as
some people describe it, because doctors were so blinded that to
vaccines ever causing any harm that it was it was something
that was above reproach. I mean, we were actually warned.
I remember the medical school lecture, it was our one and only
lecture on vaccines and immunology.
Bearing in mind I've done months and months in the previous
degree, you know, don't question the vaccines.
You know, call tish really it was because and then you
actually, that's where the phrase Wakefield came from.
It came from a medical lecturer at Med school back then.
Don't, don't speak out because you'll be Wakefielded.
And you know, I would never have believed that possible had it
not been, you know, completely carbon copied.
In my case, I've been Cartlanded.
I think I've become. Cartlanded because like what
you've experienced, which we'll go on to talk about in a minute,
is way is like Andrew Wakefield on steroids.
I mean, they've taken it to a whole other level.
So you know, you may have your own notoriety in being you know
the name of. Well, you've indicated in the
end in this. I hope in 20 years time the
vindication will come. I'll keep plugging on for now.
So you became a whistle blower and started to raise the COVID
jab, safety concerns and challenging the narrative with
both your colleagues and the public on social media.
So what was your kind of experience in that situation,
first of all with your colleagues and then when you
were bringing it on social media?
Well, when I had my original concerns, like I say, I was a
bit academic about it. I started doing audits, you
know, looking at all the positive tests, for example, and
how many had been vaccinated or unvaccinated and it was
immediately clear that the unvaccinated were not suffering
from COVID and they weren't going to hospital with COVID.
That was immediately clear. But, you know, I've tried my
very best really to to try and wake people up the right way.
Call practice meetings, you know, whole journal meetings.
I remember being physically assaulted by a physio because I
took a paper in from the JAMA Journal of American Medical
Association about South Korean prospective study and it was
myocarditis risk in adolescence. And he just huffed at me and
said, look, I don't want to. This is my downtime.
I don't want to hear your conspiracy crap.
That was his exact words and pushed me in the chest and the
room emptied. But I mean, for me, it really
hinged on when I first decided to speak out.
Like I say, fell on deaf ears. These genuine attempts, you
know, asking them, are you seeing the same?
Like you said earlier, are you seeing the same as I'm seeing?
Am I just seeing a skewed, you know, set of vaccine injuries
every day and you guys aren't? But then it came down to a
discussion. It was a coffee room discussion.
And we were discussing the fact that they were going for the, is
it 11 to 19 year olds or something like that?
It was the pre 2011 to 15, maybe 11 to yeah.
And then we were just discussing that you're going to have your
kids. A lot of the partners had
children of that cat at that age.
I said, would you get your adolescent vaccinated for COVID?
He said, oh, no, no, wouldn't have it.
There's no need. There's no clinical indication.
We don't know enough about these things.
Young people aren't dying of COVID, so there's no need.
And then the very next day, in fact, they said to me, we'll not
vaccinate people of that age in under under our roof was the
phrase they used the very next day on the website.
And I can't explain this, but it led to my resignation that
advertising what what I call the jabotoire down the road.
So they were advertising this massive flight.
It was a military operation where people would go in one
door and out the other, sheep herding as it were.
And they deployed the staff from that surgery to that place to,
to work. So they technically weren't
injected under their roof and they were sending them over to
that that place. And then I fell out with them
and I just I publicly resigned and then all the fun and games
happened. I took to social media podcasts.
I think UK column was the first interview I did with Brian back
in the day where we where we unmasked me as the vaccinated
anti vaxxer that I am. And that was it.
You know, I was just tried everything I could within the
system. The system didn't want to hear.
So I had a an important safety concern that needed to be to be
made clear, particularly around the people are targeted children
and pregnant women. You know, these are two groups
that are so protected or should be so protected by the medical
profession that we're telling pregnant women not to eat soft
cheese or raw meat and sit and do you know, just healthy things
for nine months. You know, most drugs in the BNF
state, you know, not tested in pregnancy but not believed to
be, you know, concerning etcetera.
But that's suddenly this technology, you know, and not
even the doctors injecting it, not even knowing that it's this
novel platform. You know, in the early social
media, you know, I was just getting banned like most of the
other doctors. I remember doing an interview
once where I'm holding up the documents from Moderna and
Pfizer, reading them out, holding them up like this to the
camera, running my finger along and putting the references at
the bottom saying these are not. These are immuno modulatory gene
therapies that will never be used on humans six months before
we started using them on humans of ever decreasing ages.
And so, you know, I got banned from LinkedIn, I got banned from
Instagram and Facebook for that post where I'm holding up the
documents peeping outside here. And there was no place to to
kind of get your concerns out, not not within house or even on
social media. There's this sudden censorship
and and then the trolls came a trolling.
And I know we're going to talk about this.
Yeah, so you described so vividly in your book how you
were subjected to years of the most brutal and relentless
harassment and abuse from this coordinated gang of online
trolls. And it was this absolutely
disgusting, which which really, like spoke, speaks out of the
pages of your book. And it even spilled over into
your real life. There was you.
You described doxing, hacking, real life stalking, mass
Anonymous, GMC complaints and even being reported to the
police. Yeah, if you reported these
people to the police for all of these sort of criminal actions,
the doxing, the hacking, the stalking, no action was ever
taken. So yeah, it'd be really good to
hear a bit more about like, when did it go from being censored
and silenced in kind of, you know, shadow banned to then to
this sort of far more vicious evil, this sort of aggressive
attack against you from these trolls.
Well, the irony is it's one of, again, I'm, I'm being cautious
not to name names because obviously the victims, the
victims of Doctor Cartland were treated as vulnerable witnesses
and given anonymity orders. But everything Dave Cartland
said was going to be beamed out publicly.
So it all started with one of my victims.
Again, one of the victims was a ringleader, well known
ringleader. He's actually been kicked out of
the Irish Medical Council recently for being what he is, a
buffoon. But that said he, he's the
organiser. And so the, the name of this
online troll network is named after him and his business.
And again, I'm not going to say any more than that.
I, I, I actually face charges of harassing him.
I presented the GMC with 600 tweets about me, 600 tweets
about other doctors, probably including yourself.
Just nasty ad hominem, viral abusive stuff.
And then this guy went into the vaccine injury group, started
calling people malingerers. Just get a job, you lazy.
This and the other. And this is a guy that I've been
found guilty of harassing him. This, this evidence was never
shown to the GMC. They weren't allowing it.
They never allowed me any witnesses.
But it was a very strange kangaroo court.
But going back to the trolls, it was very organised.
Anyone who spoke out in my defence was immediately piled
upon. And that's all the same faces
even to this day. They're even quite blatant about
what they've been doing outside of the Twitterverse.
You know, as you mentioned, it's not stopped at the strike off.
It upsets me that I've had so much harassment over five years,
like unrelenting. And I've been found guilty and
struck off for harassment and bullying, something that I
absolutely a bore. I hate it, you know, bullied at
school. I hate bullies.
So to to lose my medical career for that.
But yeah, they've not stopped short of anything.
You know, I've got, I went to report six of them, six of the
worst, plucked up all the courage in the world, took an ex
detective with me and they as I walked into the police station,
they said, look, you saved us the trip, Doctor Carlin.
I said sorry. And then there he said we were
coming to interview you under caution for harassment and
malicious communications. I said sorry, that's what I've
come in to report. And that's the six names of the
characters that had reported me and they'd reported me over a 2
day period. So 6 reports of Dave Cartland's
a bully and harasser by 6 trolls and then he read out the six
names and there were the six people I'd gone in to report.
It's just unbelievable moment really.
And I mean, the policeman yawned while I was telling him the
story, the tale of work. He actually physically yawned
during the interview. Anyway, that was all thrown out.
And like I say, we've had things like social service contact.
The last job I worked at, a surgery, they received 2 male
anonymous male tip offs saying that doctor Carton's a bully and
the harasser is about to be struck off.
I was very open and honest with that surgery about what was
going on in the background. I talked them through the, the
charge sheet, as it were, and they were happy with it.
But they let me go because they didn't want the, they didn't
want the negative publicity because these two male trolls
who were quite openly gloating on the exit that it was them
they were doing the the people of Cornwallis service of getting
rid of me as they see it. And they probably still see it,
You know, they see themselves as champions of disinformation.
I mean, we, the GMC tribunal started and we read out two
things. We read out a number of death
threats and incidents of physical stalking.
And then we read out an e-mail and it was quite sinister.
I remember it to this day and it said, I can remember the words
it said. We are a group of doctors and
scientists on the X slash, formerly Twitter platform who
have been tasked with keeping misinformation regarding COVID
off this platform. Doctor Cartman was a
particularly obnoxious example of somebody spreading
misinformation, which is why he became a target of our network.
And then the GMC redacted the name of the individual who'd
signed the Ms. So they're telling the GMC that I've been
targeted by a group of doctors and malicious doctors and
scientists and then the death threats.
And then they went away. The GMC deliberated over it and
said we'll grant vulnerable witness status to these guys.
And Dave Carton's going to be public and beamed out.
And they even allowed trolls into the tribunal, you know,
even allowed trolls. They were advertising that they
were selling memorabilia. They're popping corks at my
demise and just a nasty level of trolling.
And like I say, it's that they haven't left my refereeing
career alone. You know, one of my bits of
sanity at the weekend is to run around a football pitch and take
charge of football matches, youth football, adult football,
veterans, women's football. And they've come after that.
The, the FA are getting several reports every single week about
me from anonymous trials saying he's transphobic, he's a bully,
he's this, this, that and the other.
You don't really want this guy refereeing.
And then we've got this. I know we're going to talk about
the DBS they're looking at. Yeah.
Do you want to bring that up now?
That'd be. Yeah, I mean, it's trick or
truth. That you're striking off.
I think this is the point, isn't it?
It's like this harassment has. I mean, it's very sinister
actually, because how would they even know?
For example, I know in the book it was like, how did they even
know where you were working? You were two hours away from
your house. So this suggests a level of
stalking which is well beyond, you know, just dropping into
your local surgery where you know, he works or bringing them
up. This is this is like
orchestrated, high level, high funded and very determined.
I mean, one of the guys is an is an ophthalmologist from
Nottingham. He travelled all the way to
Wiltshire to sit three seats away from me, advertised the
fact he'd arrived at one of the World World Council for Health
meetings in Wiltshire. He's also travelled this summer
to Cornwall and he was taking pictures of me refereeing a
veterans match. You know, this is, this is where
I went to a beach. They posted the webcam of the
beach I was at. Cartland's arrived at the beach
with his family. It's, you know, and they were
posting the webcam of me physically there with the kids
building sandcastles. Cartland can't be at work today
because we've seen him take his children to and from school.
Hashtag. We've got eyes everywhere and
it's so sinister. And you know, if, if I started
posting things like that about some of them, you know, I know
that I'd get a knock on the door.
So it needs to be there's two tier policing around online
thought policing and social media posting.
I mean the GM CS view was if I write something about a doctor,
you know, one of the doctors was an obstetrician saying it was
safe in pregnancy long term, 100% safe.
So I pulled her up on that. This woman wrote about me 17
times. I tweeted 3 things about her and
they weren't particularly offensive.
It's thanked Dr. X for inflicting spike protein upon
your newborn. 3 tweets verses 17.
I was found guilty of harassment and it was upheld of this
obstetrician who was just following guidance.
She told the story about how I was murdering pregnant women and
babies and she held the hand of a woman that because of people
like David Cartland spreading misinformation, she slipped away
and she handed the baby over to this sobbing widow as she took
her last breath and she had the panel sobbing.
She happens to run the maternity COVID inquiry, you know, and ran
and ran a trial around pregnancy safety of the vaccine, you know,
which wasn't established. Classic abuse, isn't it, that,
that you're accused of the thing that they're doing to you?
I mean, it's that kind of sort of satanic inversion that's
going on. And the fact is they were doing,
I mean, it is a criminal offence to stalk people.
You can't just turn up and stalk them and dox them.
And I think it just shows how far the rot has gone that you
had no recourse in this situation, that it wasn't just
the GMC, but it was the court. It it's the, it's the police,
it's the, and now you've been contacted by the DBS.
So tell us about that. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting
because one, one of the things I was going to say is that they
bought in the big guns for me. So I'm little old Dave Cartland
down in Cornwall. You know who's whistle blowing?
They bought in the head of the CPS London there's no higher
barrister in the land to be the the legally qualified chair of
the panel. And they brought in a homicide
terrorist barrister as the GMC 6 grand a day representation.
And he just lied and lied and lied.
They banned all my witnesses. They banned all my witness
statements, my own witness bundle, half of it they lost.
They said I didn't respond to one of the five complaints.
I didn't file a defence. Well, I've got a read receipt
from the GMC showing that I actually did and the lawyer and
the investigation officer had received it, but published in
the NPTS report that's not. Didn't even bother furnishing
the NPTS with a defence. As I mentioned, one of the other
doctors has been booted out of another tribunal for being a
questionable character and that's all I say.
But yeah, going back to the DBS trick or treat night, this doors
knocking, kids are coming around and I thought it was a trick or
treater. So I opened the door expecting
to give sweets out and I had to sign for a package.
And the package states that it's from the DBS, the Criminal
Records Bureau that's been slightly rebranded now.
So this is the list you go on if you've committed a crime.
Now I'll make the point at this this juncture really, that
considering I've been found guilty of three cases of
harassment, if I harass somebody, there's two recourses,
you can either sue them or you can go to the police and report
them as a crime. None of those things have ever
happened. I've been found guilty by a
tribunal of harassment with no crime number, no police contact
and no successful civil action. So completely outside of their
jurisdiction really. And then, I mean, this letter
really basically says that it's automatic if you struck off,
they've actually worded the charges because you were struck
off for, quote, emotionally abusing vulnerable adults.
Now these are, you know, again, I'm not going to give identity
information out, but these are practicing people, practicing
doctors, professionals, practice managers.
And then the other thing I did, the other crime, I gave 5 people
letters of support for them for exercising their bodily
autonomy. A that wasn't necessary because
people can say no with a valid refusal of consent with
capacity. And it was basically just an
insurance policy. During 23 people contacted me
saying I've got to get to Canada.
My mom's got cancer, she's on a deathbed, I need to get over
there. Can you write a letter just in
case I have to show it to somebody in immigration or a
jobs worth stewardess And that was it.
And they never actually show any of them.
GMC call it falsification of medical records for money
originally. And this is where they kind of
fell on the the strike off. They used this to justify the
strike off, saying that it was irremediable behaviour,
dishonesty. They really played on this
dishonesty. Well, how do you know about
these letters? Because I've admitted to doing
them. And that came about, funnily
enough, from entrapment. Again, the GMC are above the
law. They got somebody to book in an
appointment with me, asked for a medical exemption for a business
trip to Canada, make or break. He described it.
And then he said I haven't got a medical reason doc.
Does that matter? I said no premium, none.
The sea. Yeah.
Fear first, do no harm. And the second reason is your
bodily autonomy is sacrosanct and you don't even, you know,
you don't need to justify that. That's that's you probably.
Get informed consent as a doctor, then that is an
exemption. If the person will not freely
consent to it, if they do not want it, then that is your
exemption. I mean, we've argued that we've,
we set up something called PROMIC, which was giving forms
to people for the doctors to certify.
I cannot get informed consent for this drug.
Therefore they are exempt because they are under coercion.
And that is against my professional code and against
the law. So we cannot coerce people into
having medical treatment. So yeah, what you were doing was
entirely in line with good medical practice and your GMC
code of conduct. So what you, this is what I'm
saying, where the GMC have then coded that as doctor contents
has falsified medical records. And interestingly, about two
years before this GMC case was cobbled together, they kept
adding bits to it. You know, they, they were going
to let me off. They sent me an e-mail saying
we'll let you off this, these 5 letters that you've admitted to
doing in your rebuttal as long as you have for two years on
your GMC record that you've falsified medical records.
And I was not, well I'm not going to admit to that because I
didn't, I've not such to anyone's medical records have
written a stand alone justification that the person
can honour their own refusal, you know, bodily autonomy.
Anyway, the reason I mention that now is because, and bear in
mind the GMC had no copies of these letters.
So it's just a admission. You know, we asked them to
furnish the MPTS with the physical letter.
We couldn't. We asked them which law and
regulation are broke because this is the accusation that
Kotland flouted international policy and safeguarding
regulations and they quote that. The reason I mentioned that is
it's in the letter here. So the DBS have followed up from
the GMC strike of saying I've emotionally abused vulnerable
adults. And the second thing is I was
willing to flout international policy and safeguarding
regulations and allowed my own opinion to override safeguarding
rules. Now, they couldn't ever name the
rule that I'd broken. There was no rule, there was no
law, there was no international regulation.
But they've used that now and they've made a big leap to say
because you were willing to flout safeguarding rules, that
if you work with children in the future that this will be a
danger to them and that you'll be some sort of safeguarding
risk. So they've made an application.
Yet another legal fight, yet another cost getting a team
together to fight this. I've got 8 weeks to appeal, else
they're going to put me on the DBS bias for vulnerable adults
and children based upon, you know, I mean a debate with three
doctors and believe me, it was a 2 ING and throwing.
It was a 6 1/2 a dozen of the other.
Except the GMC wouldn't look at their six.
You know the six things that they said about me?
It was all Dave Cartman said this with no context applied.
I wrote 5 letters to support bodily autonomy and I called out
a practice manager that discriminated against me.
She called me a rabid anti vaxxer and she rejected my CV
saying that I was a rabid anti vaxxer and the Google search
showed me to be one. I've got 2° in a masters and
this surgery is a surgery in trouble so I was a little bit
miffed so I posted the e-mail fully redacted.
Fully redacted, didn't name her name the practice and then she
was, you know, she was playing victim.
She said that I was I incited hate mail.
So she had some mail sent to her surgery from Doctor Mike Yeeda,
the World Council for Health with 15 signatories and a
retired old chap called John Savage.
He wouldn't mind me using his name.
And they furnished this practice manager with the Pfizer
documents. So hardly hate mail.
There was no threats but but concerning the GMC have got this
thing where if I post anything about anyone and you come on Liz
later and I know this is not like you, but swore about them
and said I think that doctor will burn in health for
promoting it in pregnancy then I'm responsible.
They call it incitement. So that was another string to
that bow. They also said I showed
hostility to the LGBTQ plus community simply for calling out
some of the more obscene things that happen at pride events with
trans women, men in women's clothing and dancing around
children semi clad. And I've called it out publicly
and I'm mocking the crucifixion. We're both Christians saying
Jesus is a fag and stuff like that.
A person say, how is this right? How can people get away with
this? Dancing in women's underwear,
you know, you know, leaving nothing to the imagination with
children visible. What that used to be called was
child safeguarding, but now it's called hostility to the LGBTQ
plus. And that was another charge they
found me guilty of. It was.
Particularly sinister about this
is, you know who tipped off the DBS?
Like, is this normal that every doctor that's put in front of
the GMC gets then checked by the DBS?
Or or is this a special treatment for Dave Carland?
Well, on the on the letter list that blacked out the name of the
information something officer that has referred it on, but
they're they're saying that it's just standard practice for that
particular outcome harassment. Now there's no not been any
doctors struck off for harassment ever.
And meanwhile, we're looking at doctors and one of our defences
was where's the proportionality here?
As I mentioned, three spots on Twitter, bilateral.
And as I found out from the police, once you start
interacting or responding to somebody who harasses you, the
case is gone. It's null and void once you
start interacting. So it's literally these three
doctors, the vaccine letters, not exemptions, letters of
support and this calling out the practice manager.
I mean, that was even more sinister.
She tried to report before times, including on a Christmas
Day. I mean, how sad do you have to
be to report Dave on Christmas Day?
And at that point, the GMC responded with a quite a
thorough letter to her saying, look, he's done nothing wrong,
he's quite entitled to, he's fully redacted everything.
Then she's had a special delivery at the surgery, a brown
envelope, couldn't write it, and one of the trolls would sort her
out and given her a screenshot that was so badly doctored, so
badly photoshopped that my kids could have done a better job
with the crayon. And they basically put her name,
her date of birth, her address and her e-mail address on top of
the tweet. And like I say, it was a
different font, it was depixelated, it was one key.
And I explained this to the GMC. Guess what?
Wasn't allowed to use that. In fact, I didn't file a defence
for this case, which I did for the 25 page document explaining
all of this, but found guilty. Actually, to go back to this
kangaroo court, because that chapter in your book, which
comes towards the end, as I read it, I literally thought I was
going to be sick. It was that bad.
And then I just started to weep. It was so evil what you were
subjected to. Like you were denied a voice.
You were being publicly shamed. You were being, you know, you
weren't allowed to have evidence, admit, you know, none
of your witness statements were admissible.
You know, you weren't allowed to speak except for your barrister.
You weren't allowed to be anonymous.
You were public and yet your accusers were allowed to be
anonymous. It it just was.
They weren't even pretending to give you a fair trial.
It was so far from a fair trial. It was, I mean, they just have
no shame because it was, it was. At one point, the Human Rights
Act, we applied for strike off of the case based upon breaches
of three aspects of the Human Rights Act, you know, fair
trial, freedom of speech, etcetera.
And they just came back and they deliberated for two or three
hours while you sat under house arrest with your laptop going in
and out of this virtual hearing. And they came out and they just
said no, no, we decided that we're going to continue.
You know, we applied for various things throughout the process of
the privacy order. Let's just do this behind closed
doors, you know, bearing in mind the depths that they threw me.
And the reason the case was adjourned was because I had a
deterioration in my mental health and became, frankly,
suicidal at this witch hunt, losing my beloved career and my
financial future and my reputation all in one foul
swoop, you know, And it made me feel really, really depressed,
you know? And so that's why we adjourned
it. So the GMC knew that going into
the second-half that they'd adjourned the first half because
of a suicide attempt. And I speak openly about that
now because that's we know that. We know the GMC drive people who
are under investigation to suicide, I think is one in three
contemplate suicide. And I know why now because they
treat you like an animal, they treat you like you're guilty.
One of the first thing they did even before I've even had any
evidence heard was right to every single surgery in Cornwall
that I worked at and every hospital saying just to let you
know, you're locum doctor David Carton has been accused of and
will be investigated for harassment, bullying,
incitement, homosec, LGBTQ plus hostility and falsifying medical
notes. And that that had gone out to
all malpractices, never worked at any of them again.
So even in the run up, the three-year debacle, which you
know ended in the actual tribunal starting in earnest is
that they stopped me from working.
And Cornwall's a place where, you know, bad news travels fast
and it's a very gossipy place. And so, you know, 1 bad word.
This is one of the reasons I wrote the book, so people can
hear how bad it really was. And it was absolutely immoral,
illegal. I mean, the way they found out
about the vaccine exemptions. As I mentioned, two of the GMC
complainants reported it to the GMC on the same day.
So this actor had sent the footage, the WhatsApp exchange
to these two victims of mine who submitted it on the same day,
15th of September and almost word for word, identical emails,
word for word, like somebody had written it before that.
It's just unbelievable. And you say to the GMC, this is
entrapment and collusion because these two doctors, you know, and
all these three doctors were chatting to each other online as
well. You know, I've reported them on
Monday. I suggest you do the same.
I'll do it on Wednesday. Got them in their in their
speeches, they're saying that they don't know each other.
I mean, there's nothing. It was.
You were being it was the biggest pile on, wasn't it?
Because it wasn't just individuals, it was you were up
against these powerful bodies, your regulators, the justice
system, the police, you know, social services, everybody.
The DBS now have like, you know, joined in and, and you were not
even allowed to speak. And I cannot imagine how that
must make you. I mean, it is nothing short of a
miracle. You know, by the grace of God
that you're actually still here because I think what you have
endured has been obscene and it's been unrelenting.
And it's just been multiple sources, you know, and then the
media, you know, you've kind of got everybody.
And as I said to you earlier, you know, what Andrew Wakefield
endured was horrific, you know, but what you described is taking
it to a whole nother level. I was I was a double page
spreading the local Cornishman newspaper.
One was AI mean the the trolls have managed to contact several
people in my personal life. They wanted hit pieces from my
ex-wife, neighbors, friends, colleagues.
They were actively going out and seeking these people dishing,
digging for dirt on me. But they got the ear of the
local editor of the newspaper Cornwall Live.
He wrote about 8 or 9 hit pieces about me in 2 weeks.
Now it was unprecedented for a paper to publish so many
articles all disparaging and they actually published that I
was struck off 2 days before I was struck off.
I mean that's how corrupt it was.
You know, that's published that I was going to be struck off.
I mean it's no one's explained that to me.
And then they went digging through my social media and they
wrote a hit piece and the headline was, and I'll quote it
exactly, cost you 40,000 to fight this in court to sue.
It said inside the warped mind of dodgy struck off Cornwall GP
and his homophobic worldview. So they'd gone on then to look
at social media posts, they believe we're homophobic.
And I'll give you one example. One was a picture of Sam Smith,
the singer, and they had this massive like mushroom outfit,
feather boa, etcetera. And I put human evolution,
that's it, that's the post. I put another one about a man
holding a number element above his wife and two children.
It said man, woman, boy, girl, I'm a father and I'm protecting
my children from gender confusion.
How's that homophobic? And they go on for several.
They remember Little Britain, I'm a lady, you know, the guys
that went I'm a lady. And it's just mocking that, that
that's actually become reality now.
It's nothing to do with homosexuality, it's to do with
the transgender. And I see transgender as
something highly sinister in the safeguarding concern, simple as
that. I'm entitled to that opinion.
It certainly isn't homophobia. Well, I just I want to say you,
you've probably had a lot of time to think about this, but if
you had your time again, knowing what you know now, what would
you would you do anything differently regarding how you
engage with the trolls? And what would you advise other
people in in if they're in find themselves in that position to
do what would your? Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I've reflected and, you know, I've tried to find fault
in myself. You know, how have I got in this
situation? Absolutely.
I'd use the analogy of a bear. If you keep poking a bear, the
bear's going to attack, you know, But what the GMC were
doing, we're taking Polaroid snaps of me attacking and I have
done before. I mean, I was going to think of
one example. I don't think it's appropriate
to go on the UK colour, really. But I, yeah, I forget what I was
going to say. But ultimately, yeah, I have.
I've poked, poked back. You know, these people have
abused me, multifaceted attempts at, you know, ruining every
aspect of my life. So occasionally I will, you
know, share an expletive with them.
What I tended to do was call them out so a lot of my store,
because I'll put a picture of them and say this is Mr. X, he
lives in so and so he's posted about a stranger in Cornwall 585
times in the last two months. Does your wife know you do this?
Things like that? So you know, professionalism at
all times, but when you provoked, you know, when they're
threatening everything from your, you know, I've got four
children. You know, I've got to support
the I've just lost 120 grand year salary to be replaced by
joblessness. I can't get a job.
I've been applying to driving jobs, just normal minimum wage
stuff. The referee and I mentioned, and
they're even trying to stop that and they're getting ACV from a
guy who's got two medical degrees and a masters.
And so why does he want to drive for Amazon?
And then they Google me and it's not a pretty sight if you Google
Dave Kotland. I wouldn't employ me.
But yeah, I think, you know, going back to the original
question, yeah, a bit a bit more restraint.
You know, I have been provoked and I'm an emotional guy.
Yes, I know that that I've been a kind of operating as a lone
wolf screaming into the abyss. That's how I've kind of
positioned myself to avoid any politics.
But when it's every day, day in, day out, five years and you know
it's been the gym see they didn't just hurry up.
They're three years until the start of the tribunal.
They were adding stuff on. They were telling me that even
if. Designed to push you to your
limits, obviously. Well, in the end, I mean they
did. Not many people know this.
So he wrote to me again during the tribunal and said we're
going to come after you again, we're going to have another MPTS
if you win. So I basically posted 3
naturopathic cancer supplement protocols from other people and
I put a disclaimer saying this is not my protocol.
These are from reputable naturopaths such as Sarah
Mayhill, Barbara O'Neill, etcetera.
Please seek medical advice and discuss with your oncologist
before commencing any of these supplements.
That was it. GMC rang me up and said we've
made a decision at senior level. This is your next MPTS.
You're promoting cancer cures in breach of the Cancer Act.
It's like, thank God. So they're already lining up
that's. Against the Cancer Act, isn't
it? It's really scary that you can't
claim that anything apart from chemotherapy or radiation or
surgery can treat or cure cancer.
That's like, I mean, that was brought in decades ago.
It's quite frightening. So what do you think?
Now what you know, I, my conclusion and I reading your
book was that you've been subjected to this a very
concerted effort by some extremely powerful people,
possibly the deep state intelligence agencies to, to
literally destroy you. So they didn't just want your
career, they wanted to destroy your life.
And I think what you describe in your books is pure evil.
So this level of targeting harassment, it's not down to a
few deranged individuals. It's clearly orchestrated,
extremely well funded and extremely influential.
So what are your thoughts as to who or what is behind this
campaign? What you know, because this
isn't just a group of doctors who are annoyed with you.
This isn't just, you know, AGMC who can't run a court case.
There's something very, very dark that's sort of you're
pulling the strings in this. Yeah, I mean, you look at the
sheer amount of these characters and, and how far they're
prepared. I mean, only this week I, I was
walking on the beach and I thought I'd, I'd do a kind of ad
hoc video. I use CBD oil and I just wrote a
2 minute video saying I've been using CBD oil.
It's really good for anxiety, stress, and it's helping me
sleep at the moment during stressful times.
And the video posted it two days later.
Advertising Standards Agency write a letter to me reported by
the trolls. My website's up and running for
the new health coaching and it's been reported already for one,
one page that we forgot to add to it about data protection,
etcetera. Been reported to the ICO
already. So yeah, I mean, these could be
these people know exactly because sometimes I'll test it,
I'll put a post up and remove it within 12 seconds, 10 seconds
they've captured it. So they've got technology.
And then I know people who privately investigated these
people and found the technology that they use.
And, you know, it's pretty high tech stuff.
And you know, these characters are dotted all around, all the
way around the world. I've got a stalker in Costa
Rica, Canada, an expat up in Thailand running some sleazy
massage parlour. So whoever they are, I mean
they're recruiting some real drafts of society.
I mean, they, they all tend to have some ex military connection
for sure. Even this Costa Rican couple
have just found out have got, they're both ex military.
A lot of the trolls have got nods to Freemasonry, nods to
openly, openly nodding that they're Freemasons, openly
nodding that they're ex military personnel.
And so there's obviously accusations at 77 Brigade who
openly admit to what they do. There's other organisations,
NGOs like CCDH, they're heavily involved.
CCDH at the beginning we had Project Halo and that kind of
morphed into something else. And you've got Reality Team and
CTI League, go to any of their websites, they tell you exactly
what they do. Neutralize.
They use that word, neutralize targets.
And they're quite open. So I don't know exactly who they
are. I'd love to know.
And obviously. You know, I'm thinking about
what their goal is. I mean, you must have been right
over the target, like what you were doing was had the potential
to bring everything down. So you were, you know, little
Dave Cartland in Cornwall was a massive threat to this huge
global enterprise going on. And they wanted to make an
example of you, of course, to terrify other doctors who you
know, because they knew people there would be people that would
want to speak out. So they have to really go for a
few to to shut up the many. Yeah, I was watching this.
All of my fellow dissenters were picked off one at a time.
You know, we had Sarah, Sarah Myhill, Mohamed Adeel, Sam
White, my good friend Dan Armstrong.
He was struck off for, quote, questioning the safety and
efficacy of the COVID vaccine. That was the reason.
That was it. Oh, dear.
And even one of the GMC guys wore a Freemason pin and the
Freemason tie while he was in the tribunal because that Dan
called him out on it and he got very flustered when he mentioned
Freemason report, you know, to, to, to, to seek legal recourse
here, Liz. I mean, the whole GMC case cost
me £80,000 in legal costs, right?
I didn't have any MPs or whatever it's called now.
I'll get to the end of that and you get one month to appeal.
Obviously. I took to my bed for about a
month. I was licking my wounds.
I never had a shave. I barely had a shower.
I barely ached, just hit a massive depression because of
the it's sheer velocity. And they're expecting you to
formulate an appeal and they wanted £20,000 plus that.
And if you lose, you pay the GM CS costs and they got 2
barristers on 6 grand a day. So there's a financial
disincentive. And then you get 3 months to do
a judicial review from the strike off day.
And so I entertained that idea. I raised a crowdfund for it and
then other civil litigations intercepted there to take that
fund away. This specific exact figure that
I needed. You need 50,000 quid £50,000 to
go to judicial review just to even get the ear of a judge to
listen to this. I mean no one in the land would
say that it was a just tribunal at all.
You know you can to not allow a defendant witnesses for
starters, you know ones our very own Ross Jones wrote a character
reference. They've received 380 positive
testimonies about me from various walks of life from
friends and family to ex patients etcetera.
The GMC legally qualified chair said we're not going to include
this in the bundle for Doctor Kant's defence because they do
not under the people writing the testimonies do not understand
the intricacies and details of this case.
It doesn't really matter what the case about, it's a stand
alone testimony saying about my good nature and good character.
They wouldn't even read them anything that was positive about
me, you know, unbelievable, unprecedented.
I think my barrister had to have about 3 months off to recover.
He's never seen anything like it.
Yeah, so I mean, as you describe in your book it, this literally
took you to the brink, to the edge of a Cliff in in your
darkest moment. But thankfully, you're here to
tell the tale and looking forward to the future, you're
now embarking on new projects. You've got your health coaching
and podcasting, which is really exciting.
And I just wondered, like, how has your faith helped you to get
through this journey? And what are your reflections on
what you've been through over the last few years and how you
make sense of this journey you've been on?
Yeah, I mean, going right back to the beginning of the
pandemic, the church, I felt the church was a let down.
I was a New Zealous Christian learning the biblical principles
and a biblical way of life. And the church shut its doors in
the faces of people and reverted to Zoom prayer meetings and we
lost about 1/3 of the flock, as it were, from our church in
Penzance and never to return and silly rules being practised.
And and I'm saying to what really disappointed me was the
spiritual battle that was clearly being fulfilled in the
five years that we've seen it. I called it prophetic bingo.
It's a part of my testimony becoming a Christian was looking
at the Bible and what came true from Old to New Testament.
And in the recent years we've seen, you know, Romans one come
true, 2 Thessalonians 2 born out in the pandemic.
And there'll be a grand illusion that even the elect will be
deceived. You know, it says it in in in
clear text, really. Two Timothy, three generation.
And I'm sort of ticking these off in my head.
And all you're getting from the churches, I think it's Romans
13, isn't it always, you know, succumb to what the government
tell you to do and sort of ignoring the higher power in
God? So I've took my spiritual
journey to a more personal level, you know, and I think
that's biblical as well, isn't it, Because it talks about the
Pharisees making an outward show of their religion.
I call it church reality. People who turn up on a Sunday
and pray and sing and make a big show and then forget Christian
ethos. I've not heard from any person,
brother or sister in Christ from my church anyway since of struck
off. In fact, one of the only
Christian doctors I know in the area said that if you should
never have jeopardized your career on this.
He said the he kept using the phrase and it really upset me
because he's a he's a guy who quit medicine to become a pastor
of an evangelical church. He said this was never a hill on
which to allow your career to die.
I'm saying that it's genocide and pregnant women and children
and deaths and harm and clocks and strokes.
And he's saying it's not a hill to die on.
Well, what is a hill to die on in your view?
And then he ended up blocking me.
So. That's absolutely.
Yeah, severely tested severely. You're right, it's all there in
the Bible. And I think actually those of us
who can see the spiritual perspective, actually that is
life enhancing. And that really because you
understand the bigger picture and you recognise that where
you're standing, you're in the good fight and you are on the
right side of history, You are on the right side of this battle
and history will judge you very well in the end.
So and you've now published 2 books, so your anthology of
poetry which was a doctor's. And your latest Flash them up,
Flash them up. Yeah, this one, well, actually
split screen. Yeah, brilliant do no harm
Diaries of a vaccinated anti vaxxer which I would encourage
everyone to buy and there will be a link in the show notes to
both the books. Do you enjoy writing?
Has it been therapeutic and are there more books there that in
your head to be written? Yeah, it's a little known secret
about me. If I'd never made it as a
doctor, I would have been either a journalist or some sort of
English literature was my love through school.
That's why it took me so long to get to Med school.
So I didn't do all the classic chemistry, physics, I did
English literature, maths and something else, biology.
So it's kind of a hotchpot really.
And yeah, I love it. I mean the the poetry book came
about from an insomnia period. I was just waking up at 3:00
getting some rhyming couplets in my head and thought, let's get
these down. So I had sat there with my phone
and sort of added, added, I've been writing these poems in 10
minutes flat. And you know, I've called 1
COVID cultists, 1 blind obedience, Mascoholics, keyboard
warriors, a little nod to the trolls, a little ode to them and
the characters that they are. And I've just sort of put it
together with a group of other outspoken doctors and people
who've been in the quote await communities.
And it's formed an anthology. And I really hope that people
enjoy the contents. And as you mentioned, the other
book is is my side of the story. And something that really
concerned me was my Archer nemesis, Jeremy Vine posted on
Twitter, the Cartland's he put on Twitter to all of his
father's Cartland's legacy to his children and grandchildren
will be his Google search. And that really like a dagger
hit me. And I thought, I've got to get
my own version of events down. I've never spoke about Jeremy
Vine, by the way, never ever. But he decided to state that I
was. I've been abusive to him
apparently as well in another life.
But yeah, he put this thing about the legacy to my
grandchildren and children. And so I thought, no, I'm going
to give them a proper legacy that isn't run by Google.
It's going to be my poetry. It's going to be my story within
do no harm. And yeah, I think maybe there's
there might be a sort of future in fiction.
Maybe as well. I might write some stories about
my career. But as I said, third person tell
some of the tales, the anecdotes that I cover in the do not don't
harm. That's some of the characters
that. We can definitely look forward
to that. And then despite everything
you've been through, you're still continuing to speak out
and help others, which is just such a testament to your
character with your health coaching business, which we'll
have a link in the notes and you're Breaking the Silence
podcast. So do you want to just tell us a
little bit about your work in those areas?
Yeah, I think my my barrister left me with a message actually
as we as we sort of closed our work together with the GMC.
So don't get mad, get even. Yeah, even.
So I think I'm going to continue my work to get even to to
continue to whistleblower. And I always consider, I say
this aligning to views that I always imagine a scenario in,
you know, three years, not three years in 30 years when my
grandkids say, Dad, what did you do?
Granddad, what did you do? And I'll show them these videos
and say, look in amongst all the silence and heads down and, you
know, all the cognitive distance, Daddy, Granddad spoke
up and I'll, I'll sleep well knowing that.
So yeah, the, the podcast itself, the principle is to get
NHS whistleblowers that haven't particularly had a platform
science background. I've done some interviews with
people, international folk who are from pharma, nursing
backgrounds, etcetera, caring backgrounds telling their story.
There's also a series on vaccine injury case studies as well.
So I've interviewed people who've just told their story.
I've not intimated it's vaccine injury that that's the
conclusion they've come to and some of the shenanigans that
they've got up to with the the medics gaslighting them, telling
them they're all making up their symptoms for fun, functional
neurological disorders, the latest trend and letting them
have a platform. And I've deliberately made it
really low tech. It literally recorded in this
room on my old battered laptop from uni.
I press record with no script and we roll the cameras and it's
going really well on YouTube. It's really because I was banned
on YouTube until two months ago. They reinstated so I got the
idea to transfer the sub stack across to.
I'm an officially a YouTube now so again if anyone wants to.
Have a few 1000 followers there. Haven't you already?
I I noticed that today about. Yeah, so I'm trying my best
really to make scraps of money for monetizing these things.
You don't make a lot of money from it but you know, a couple
of £100 for posting videos a month, it all adds to the
companies. How so?
How can we? How can people best help and
support you? Where can where can we find your
work and what can we do to help you?
Just just spread the word. I think I've suffered a lot from
censorship. And obviously if you Google me,
the reputational damage is there for everyone to see.
So if everyone, you know, the, the, we really grew the health
coaching business before the trolls got to my business
partner. And then he had to run for the
safety of his family and kids because they were threatening
him and stalking him. So we've had to rebuild.
And it really relies on word of mouth.
So if people, you know, use the service or they see the website
and they like it, share it. I mean, you'll get attacked by
trolls, but nonetheless, just promoting them.
Books as well. I'd love every single GP you
know. If anyone's thinking about a
Christmas present you know for 15 quids you can get yourself a
poetry book and a do no harm, pop it through the the door of
your GP and the chief vaccinator and enlighten them as to what
happens. I'd love you to be honest with
GP's Christmas list. Brilliant.
Well, thank you so much, Doctor Carlin, for sharing your story
and experiences so honestly and vulnerably.
And I'm sure our viewers and listeners are as horrified as I
am by what you've endured, but I hope they're also heartened and
inspired by your passion for truth and your immense courage
in the face of evil. Your erasure for the medical
register is a massive loss to your patients and to the medical
profession who have lost a brilliant, compassionate and
ethical Doctor Who always put his patients first.
But I hope and pray that one day you will be reinstated and that
justice and truth will prevail. And in the meantime, I just wish
you all the best with your new projects and book sales, and do
encourage everyone to buy a copy to show their support for you
and the brave stand you've taken to uphold medical ethics.
Thank you very much. Thanks for having me Liz, always
a pleasure.