1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,640 Good afternoon. Today's Monday the 18th of 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,720 August 2025, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News. 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:16,920 I'm your home spy. Garish. 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,440 Delighted to have Ben Rubin with me here in the studio. 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:21,240 Hello, Ben. Hi. 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,920 Brian. And we'll also be joined by 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,440 Diane Rasmussen, Mcaddy on Live Link from the North East of 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,680 England. Now we're going to kick off on 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,400 the subject of really remembering, remembering the 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,520 war. This has been an important 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,200 theme, particularly over the last few days and certainly over 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,840 the weekend. And I had the opportunity to 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,040 attend a local event here in Devon. 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,840 It was close to Yelverton on Dartmoor and this is effectively 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,320 the site of the old RAF Base Harrow beer now. 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,960 It was a fantastic two days. I've got a little bit of video 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,040 clip here to give you an idea of what was taking place. 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,000 But of course this little clip is bittersweet because people 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:16,000 having fun, very enjoyable time. The sun was shining, but at the 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,160 end of the day it was memories of war and of course the 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,560 hundreds of thousands of people that died from the UK side and 22 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,400 the millions of people that died worldwide. 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,160 Let's have a look at the clip and then we can just discuss it 24 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:35,320 a little bit. My poor heart is jumping. 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,240 You really start with something. I'm. 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:53,040 Up in heaven when I'm in your. I'm up in heaven when I'm in 27 00:01:53,160 --> 00:02:01,240 your farm and break. As my dynamite just changed her 28 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:07,440 mind about. Me. 29 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,720 Well, there we are. The weather was superb. 30 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:12,280 There was actually a huge amount of people. 31 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,440 Many people attended both days because they found the Saturday 32 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,400 to be so tremendous. And as you can see from some of 33 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,400 those images, many, many people put a huge amount of effort into 34 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:30,440 bringing vehicles, appearing in military uniform of the day, 35 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,240 talking about what was happening to the civilians. 36 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,840 There was displays, there were stalls, there was all sorts of 37 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,000 things. So a huge amount of effort and 38 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,760 overall people were having a wonderful time, which was 39 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,480 absolutely great then. But as you walked around and you 40 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,720 saw some of the relics of the Second World War, your mind of 41 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,560 course was brought back on the utter bloodshed of that war and 42 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:58,720 as with the First World War, we were told never again. 43 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,240 So I want to bring people's attention to the government 44 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,560 because while the government was very keen that people were out 45 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:12,480 with that kind of event to remember VJ Day or VE Day, the 46 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,640 the government itself has got a very, very duplicitous message. 47 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,720 Let's have a listen to Healy MP speaking. 48 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:28,000 Today, the 15th of August, marks the 80th anniversary of VJ Day, 49 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,240 victory over Japan, victory over Japan and the end of the Second 50 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,480 World War. It reminds us why, for many in 51 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:44,320 the UK, the celebrations for VE Day in 1945 were not the end of 52 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,320 the story, for the Second World War would. 53 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Continue for another three months in the Far East, British, 54 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,640 Commonwealth and allied forces were still fighting a gruelling 55 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,160 battle. A coalition of nations refusing 56 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,480 to bow in the face of tyranny. A coalition of nations forging 57 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,600 alliances that. Still keep us safe today. 58 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:13,600 But too many made the ultimate sacrifice. 30,000 British 59 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,120 personnel, many more from Commonwealth and Allied forces 60 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,959 would lose their lives in the Far East campaign. 61 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,640 Many who returned could never bring themselves to speak about 62 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,120 the conditions they endured or the horrors they witnessed. 63 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,720 We know the courage. We know the resilience they 64 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,680 showed to bring about a brighter future and after years of 65 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:46,360 conflict, a lasting peace. Their courage, their dedication, 66 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,920 their sacrifice still inspires every member of the armed forces 67 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,160 today. And today the British people 68 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:03,200 remember and pay tribute. I apologise to our audience for 69 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,280 showing all of that little clip, but I wanted to show it all 70 00:05:06,280 --> 00:05:10,000 because for me, I find the duplicity of what's going on 71 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,080 here Ben, just truly appalling. But also the presentation, the 72 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,920 full sincerity, the music, the atmosphere that here is this 73 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,920 wonderful, concerned man who is there in the world to make sure 74 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,040 that we don't have any more bloodshed on that scale. 75 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,920 And yet, of course, in the background, of course, the 76 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,360 British government absolutely stocking up war in Ukraine and 77 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,600 of course, fully supporting Israel in the horrors that have 78 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,680 been happening in Gaza. And I don't know whether you've 79 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,720 got any comments on it, but these video clips, they're very 80 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,600 polished and glossy, but I find them quite nauseating. 81 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:51,480 Yes, well, they're, they're, they're, they're polishing over 82 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:56,040 barbarity like absolute horrors. My grandfather was a Japanese 83 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,000 prisoner of war and like he just said, he never spoke of it. 84 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,640 Couldn't. Couldn't, couldn't even talk 85 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,640 about it. And one of the young men I spoke 86 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:09,680 to at the events there, RAF Harrow Beer at the weekend, also 87 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,360 told me of relations that he'd been able to speak to when he 88 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,120 was very, very small, some of whom would talk about horrors 89 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,080 and some wouldn't. But is the government in UK 90 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,280 working for peace? I think not. 91 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:27,520 Is the King working for peace? Well, I think the jury's out, 92 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,160 but I effectively think he's also on board, as we'll see. 93 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,560 But let's have a listen to part of the King's message for. 94 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,160 The millions of families gathered around their 95 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,840 wirelessness and for their loved ones still serving far from 96 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:46,760 home. It was the message of battle 97 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:52,800 weary world had long prayed for. The war is over, declared my 98 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,600 grandfather from George the 6th in his address to the nation 99 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:03,800 with Commonwealth on VJ Day 80 years ago today. 4 short words. 100 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:12,120 After 6 long years of bloodshed, fear and suffering, seldom can a 101 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:17,000 simple message that resonated with such a potent mix of 102 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:23,720 relief, celebration and sorrow for those who never lived to see 103 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:29,480 the glow of freedom's new dawn. On this day of profound 104 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:36,040 memories, I speak to you in that same spirit of deliberation and 105 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,720 celebration as we honour Renew. All. 106 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,240 Those whose service and sacrifice so all the forces of 107 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:53,720 liberty quivered. Well, Ben, I'm certainly not 108 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,080 frightened to say that I find the hypocrisy of the king truly 109 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,040 breathtaking. Because of course, is he setting 110 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,320 out to help achieve peace in the world? 111 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,160 Clearly he's not. We'll see in a minute. 112 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:11,480 He's interfacing with Zelensky, but basically government and the 113 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,320 royalty themselves talking one thing, but behind the public's 114 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,320 back, fully engaged in making sure that the the wars taking 115 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,120 place, immense bloodshed, particularly in Ukraine, horrors 116 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,200 also in Gaza. No effort to actually install 117 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,960 peace, but plenty of effort to ramp up the weapons. 118 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,240 Let's have a little look at headlines for the papers. 119 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,919 And of course, there's only one thing to be shown on this, which 120 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:43,640 is Zelensky. So the time Zelensky wants 121 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,840 security guarantees before a deal, it's presented to the 122 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,240 public as though Zelensky is the man that the British public 123 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,840 should pay attention to. Who cares what Zelensky wants? 124 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,640 He's helped to keep this vile war in Ukraine going for the 125 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,480 length of time it has we've got the Daily Telegraph Europe tells 126 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,400 Trump don't give in to Putin. So this is part of the message 127 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,160 Putin bad regime change got to happen in Russia and of course 128 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,320 Ukraine with a proxy war and the proxy troops are going to be the 129 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,440 force to do it. The Daily Mail D Day so now 130 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,920 we've quite equated Ukraine to the Second World War. 131 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,960 This is all part of propaganda aimed at the British public mind 132 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,760 in my appearance. And finally from the myriad as I 133 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:35,200 suppose we might expect Ukraine war showdown Europe takes a 134 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,400 stand. So the papers only putting one 135 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,720 message across and that is basically that the the war has 136 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:48,600 got to be ended on the lines that Zelensky thinks Russia is 137 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,280 bad. And if there's no peace 138 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:56,000 agreement, then of course UK and the EU in particular prepared to 139 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,040 pump in the weapons. But it's quite clear, Ben, that 140 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,520 UK and Europe very nervous about where where Trump may take these 141 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,600 negotiations. OK. 142 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:15,000 So if you have a look at the Guardian today, as well as the 143 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:20,360 Zelensky headline here, excuse me, UK and EU Zelensky side for 144 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,240 talks with Trump down at the bottom was an interesting little 145 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,240 headline. Almost lost. 146 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,640 IDF prepares to force 1,000,000 people out of Gaza City. 147 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,560 So here's another horror going on in the world today. 148 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:36,560 Are we seeing British politicians? 149 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:39,280 Indeed. Are we seeing the King put on 150 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,040 the pressure to stop the violence in either place? 151 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,360 Absolutely not. Rather, we've got the king, of 152 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,000 course, meeting up with Zelensky. 153 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,080 And if we just play a little bit of video here, we can see 154 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,600 Zelensky arriving to meet the king. 155 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,360 Notice he's not allowed to step forward until he was actually 156 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,080 invited to do so. So it's very clear who the who's 157 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,280 got the power in this particular incident. 158 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,360 But of course, this is the king greeting this man like a long 159 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,880 lost friend. But Zelensky ultimately 160 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,360 responsible for hundreds of thousands, if not million plus 161 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:23,440 deaths of his own countrymen fighting a proxy war for the UK 162 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,800 and the West. Diane, just very quickly, I'll 163 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,440 bring you in here. I find this truly appalling as 164 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,960 this comes out of the woodwork. But essentially we've had the 165 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,040 same thing going on in America with this massive support for a 166 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:43,720 war clearly designed to try and achieve regime change in Russia. 167 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,640 Oh, absolutely. And I, and I think that's 168 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,160 something that people miss because we're seeing so much on 169 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,240 the American side of the pond where people are, are still very 170 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,600 pro Trump, but they don't realise what's actually 171 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,320 happening because he's doing so many things to distract from the 172 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,600 sexual agenda that's playing out in the background. 173 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,360 And I, and I think that the media is, is obviously 174 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,520 contributing to that by saying, oh, he's wonderful. 175 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:08,840 He's doing all these great things. 176 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,960 But in the background, what he's actually doing is not something 177 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,360 that the public is aware of. And maybe they wouldn't be so 178 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,200 much on his side if they were being a little bit more honest 179 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,280 about these deals that he's doing in the background. 180 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,320 That's a very, very good point, Diane, because of course the 181 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,720 public being told very little in UK. 182 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,960 And as we we'll mention in a in a few moments time, we'll be 183 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:36,000 pointing out that of course no real figures of the number of UK 184 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,080 Ukrainian casualties. So this is a war only fought 185 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,200 with apparently Russian casualties. 186 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,720 Meanwhile the Ukrainian troops simply don't matter. 187 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,720 They all can and fodder. I find it quite obscene, but I 188 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:55,080 wanted to play once again the clip of Starmer and Zelensky 189 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,840 which I've called a love affair, might cover this with the UK 190 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,120 column News on Friday. But I think it's worth showing 191 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,160 this appalling clip again to getting a feel for just how deep 192 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,240 into into the bed Keir Starmer is with Zelensky. 193 00:13:39,290 --> 00:13:43,010 So presumably Zelensky had to point out where Ukraine actually 194 00:13:43,010 --> 00:13:46,530 was on that huge globe so that Kier Starmer was fully up to 195 00:13:46,530 --> 00:13:49,050 speed. But as I saw them walking around 196 00:13:49,050 --> 00:13:52,610 the garden with the flowers, it really should have taken one of 197 00:13:52,610 --> 00:13:55,730 them to put on the dress and they would have been the loving 198 00:13:55,730 --> 00:13:58,570 couple. Now, this is what Kier Starmer 199 00:13:58,570 --> 00:14:03,360 had to say at the weekend about what was happening with regard 200 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,400 to the talks. He said that Trump's efforts 201 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,840 have brought us closer than ever before to ending Russia's 202 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,640 illegal war in Ukraine. No mention, of course, of the 203 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,640 provocations of the West. His leadership in pursuit of an 204 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,680 end to the killing should be commended. 205 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,720 Well, that's apart from the weapons which America's bumped 206 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,160 in of course. Whilst progress has been made, 207 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,240 the next step must be further talks involving President 208 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,840 Zelensky. The path to peace in Ukraine 209 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,440 cannot be decided without him. So that's effectively saying 210 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,240 that there is no pass, pass straight path to peace without 211 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,960 Zelensky himself. And he said it. 212 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,200 Kier Stommer went on say, I spoke to President Zelensky this 213 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,240 morning, President Trump and other European partners, and we 214 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,720 all stand ready to support this next phase. 215 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,680 And the missive went on. I welcome the openness of the 216 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,040 United States alongside Europe to provide robust security 217 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,920 guarantees to Ukraine as part of any deal. 218 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,280 This is important progress and will be crucial in deterring 219 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,720 Putin for coming back for more. And they seem to regard this as 220 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,760 some sort of game in the language that's being used here. 221 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,480 In the meantime, until Putin stops his barbaric assault, we 222 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,520 will keep tightening the screws on his war machine with even 223 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,320 more sanctions, which already had a punishing impact on the 224 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:29,160 Russian economy and its people are waving unwavering support 225 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,600 for Ukraine will continue as long as it takes. 226 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,920 I I just find this crass. I can't think of. 227 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,400 I I'd imagine that Putin is quaking in his boots right now. 228 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,400 Ustam is going to ramp up the the sanctions. 229 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,000 Or indeed so sanctions and sanctions. 230 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,200 But of course, the reality is that the Russians at the moment 231 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,480 are overcoming not only Ukraine, but the full might of the West, 232 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,640 including the United States. We just have a look at these 233 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,920 little film clips here, which just show some of the activity 234 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,440 on the front. And the point I'm making here is 235 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,440 that the Ukrainians are being destroyed on the battlefield 236 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,480 because the Russians were able to bring weapons to the front, 237 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:16,200 which the Ukrainians can't, despite Western missile defence 238 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,920 systems such as Patriot. The the truth of the matter is 239 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,480 that Ukrainian forces hammered on the front lines. 240 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,240 And so whenever we look at casualty figures, we can be very 241 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,760 sure that Ukrainian casualty figures much higher than for the 242 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,160 Russians. This is actually a video clip of 243 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,920 the aftermath of an explosion of an ammunition dump, a very large 244 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:45,520 Ukrainian ammunition dump. And this once again shows that 245 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,840 the power of the Russian weapons is having a huge effect. 246 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:55,160 Now most of the propaganda coming out of UK is coming from 247 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,360 Defence HQ. Defence Intelligence. 248 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,720 This is one of their latest reports which is says that 249 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,640 President Putin has reiterated long standing maximalist demands 250 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,440 regarding Russia's illegal invasion invasion of Ukraine. 251 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:16,400 So no mention of what was happening in 2014 and the 252 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:21,200 vicious attacks by Ukraine on the Donbass areas and the 253 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,640 Russian speaking people. Most of this is pure propaganda 254 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,720 coming out of Defence HQ. This is where it gets 255 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,920 interesting, because essentially they're crowing. 256 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,800 They're mocking the Russians and saying it's going to take them 4 257 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:41,240 1/2 more years of war and approximately 1.9 million 258 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,800 further Russian casualties killed and wounded if they're 259 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,400 going to take the remaining ground in Ukraine. 260 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,680 Now, of course what what there isn't in this report is any 261 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,160 mention of the I've put a million because this is the 262 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,440 number being mentioned increasingly by analysts into 263 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,440 the Ukrainian war a million Ukrainian war dead that is not 264 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,160 being mentioned. Ukrainian casualties don't count 265 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,600 because they are simply the proxy soldiers of the of the 266 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,200 West. So we'll just ends this segment 267 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,120 by having a look at Keir Starmer, another video, but this 268 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:23,240 is where he's saying, trust me, because I only have the best 269 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,160 interests of the UK population at heart. 270 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:33,600 Across Britain, people get up every morning to go to work, to 271 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,920 get their kids to school. They pay their bills, try to 272 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,320 save a bit. They graft the factory workers, 273 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:48,360 small business owners, teachers, terrorists, those who serve our 274 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:51,920 country, whether that's in scrubs or the uniform of their. 275 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,880 Regiment. The ordinary people, the men and 276 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,800 women who make this country what it is, people like you and your 277 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,400 family. And that's who I think of every 278 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:09,440 time I face a decision. I know, like all of us, you are 279 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:14,120 proud of our country. We all love our country, but I 280 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,520 also know that at times he doesn't feel like Britain is 281 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,640 fair enough for those people, the people who are getting on 282 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,200 with it. And that's what drives me 283 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,560 forward at home or representing our interests abroad. 284 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:34,200 I'm putting you. 1st. Well, the claim there, Ben, is 285 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,560 very clear. He puts us first. 286 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,880 But of course, in that BBC interview he put the World 287 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,600 Economic Forum 1st. He certainly did, yes. 288 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,280 It's quite entertaining hearing Starmer use the word graft. 289 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,400 He's a real man of the people, isn't he? 290 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,880 You're in scrubs or uniform. A focus group the hell out of 291 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,400 that speech, I think. Yes. 292 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,920 And as we know, Starmer doesn't think about the British people. 293 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,320 Certainly not in in any endearing sense anyway. 294 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,880 He thinks about his friends in Davos and as you've kind of 295 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,280 alluded to there, Brian, he did say under questioning from Emily 296 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,680 Maitlis, I think it was if he preferred Davos or Westminster 297 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,960 and he said Davos straight out again. 298 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,000 So we know who's pulling his strings and actually we know 299 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 who's pulling Zelensky's strings as well, amongst other people, 300 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,320 because Ukraine, in the destruction of that country, 301 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,400 he's going to be rebuilt through the World Economic Forum and a 302 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,520 huge amount of investment from BlackRock as well, amongst 303 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,360 others. That's actually the game that's 304 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:37,400 being played here. The deliberate destruction of 305 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,400 nation states. They can be replaced with a new 306 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,440 order, and the World Economic Forum is right at the heart of 307 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:43,960 it. There's been a bit of a 308 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,480 personnel change there over the past couple of months. 309 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,040 You may have heard we probably mentioned it on the news at some 310 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,440 point that Klaus Schwab left his position as chairman. 311 00:20:54,440 --> 00:21:00,480 He'd been there since 197243 years, in the top seat at the 312 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,440 World Economic Forum. But then the very next day, a 313 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,880 whistleblower submitted some allegations to the Wet board, 314 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,600 basically saying that Schwab had blurred the lines between his 315 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,720 personal and corporate interests. 316 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,920 As if that was the worst thing the World Economic Forum had 317 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,720 ever done or Klaus Schwab had ever done. 318 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,160 Which is not really surprising to be honest with you, given 319 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,400 that he actually was the unelected ruler of this global 320 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,240 corporate empire and also actually ran something called 321 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,480 the Schwab Foundation under the auspices of the World Economic 322 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,120 Forum, which which was run by his wife and I believe his 323 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,160 children work in the forum as well. 324 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,520 Exactly. This is exactly what it is. 325 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,840 But obviously the WEF have run an internal investigation and 326 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,200 I'm very happy to say for Hesh Schwab that he was cleared all 327 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,840 wrongdoing. It's a bit like when they get a 328 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,440 new chairman in at the BBC and they run an internal review and 329 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,440 they come back and say no, no, everything's fine. 330 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,800 The BBC is fantastic. Exactly the same thing here, 331 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,360 wouldn't you say? Without any doubt. 332 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,000 Marking his own. You don't need to speak because 333 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,360 it's obvious what's going on. It's obvious. 334 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:12,280 Marking his own homework. But they have appointed, and 335 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,320 this is the real big news, two interim chairs. 336 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:16,920 One of them was announced earlier in the year. 337 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,880 I'm going to forget his name off the top of my head, but he's the 338 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,160 former Nestle chief executive. And then over the weekend, we 339 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,720 found out that this guy, Larry Fink, the founder of BlackRock, 340 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:35,200 who sits on top of $12 trillion of accumulated wealth, is now 341 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,760 going to be running the World Economic Forum. 342 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,080 And, and essentially this is, you know, more of the same. 343 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,320 Schwab was always boasting about the fact that he had penetrated 344 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,960 the cabinets of all of the major nations. 345 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,880 Well, think has already done exactly the same thing. 346 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,720 He was hanging around with Starmer last year while the 347 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,440 Standard was boasting about him going on an asset buying spree 348 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,520 in the undervalued UK. Yeah, so starting the thinking 349 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,840 about the British people, but actually in reality. 350 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,400 Selling off their assets it's. Exactly. 351 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,920 It's exactly what he's doing. Yeah. 352 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,440 And really, this is what they mean by economic growth, by the 353 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,920 way. It means BlackRock buying 354 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,920 everything at a discount. That's what economic growth is. 355 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,560 And also, let's not forget he was also hanging around with, 356 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,480 with Rachel Reeves and, and Angela Rayner, current Deputy 357 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,240 Prime Minister, actually slated by some to be a future leader of 358 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,040 the country, remarkably so. We can see that even with Schwab 359 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,280 gone, the relationship between the World Economic Forum and the 360 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,040 current Labour government and the rest of our political 361 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,920 apparatus is, is as strong as it ever was. 362 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,760 And, and what are they particularly focused on? 363 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,600 They're focused on delivering the Sustainable development 364 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,360 goals as we're going to get into. 365 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,200 Indeed, yeah. And of course, that man heavily 366 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,960 like Rock, heavily involved in Ukraine and supposedly the 367 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,560 rebuilding of Ukraine when the war is over. 368 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,360 So all of those deals already signed and in place for people 369 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,560 to make billions of the suffering of the Ukrainian 370 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,560 people. I think this is an important 371 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,320 point if anybody out there thinks that by defending the 372 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,800 Russian position at the moment, we are in somehow against the 373 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,480 Ukrainians. The Ukrainians, of course, taken 374 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,360 to the cleaners by the West Country, destroyed a million 375 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,080 men. The figures are pointing towards 376 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,960 killed in this horrific war and then the country is simply going 377 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,280 to be hoovered up by the West for more profit. 378 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,560 It's quite obscene. Diane, let's bring you in here 379 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,640 because of course, one of the key things to understand is how 380 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,160 the world's political system or power base is working, and 381 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,880 sustainable goals are clearly a major part of that agenda. 382 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,920 Yes, absolutely. And what I would like to show 383 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,760 today is very clear and concrete and overwhelming evidence of how 384 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,040 the Sustainable Development Goals have infiltrated into 385 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,400 research and universities. And I can say this as a former 386 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,040 professor of the UK universities who knows the system very well. 387 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,720 I want to start out by pointing out this article that we 388 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,440 published late last week that I really helped with as 389 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,160 commissioning editor for UK column called Demise of 390 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,600 Livestock Farming, Fraudulent Science and BlackRock by Neil 391 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,240 Harrison. He was specifically talking 392 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,960 about farming. Obviously this is part of a 393 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,440 three part series. We talked about Part 2 of this 394 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,080 series last week when we discussed his evidence around 395 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,040 the wildfires and Agenda 2030 and Sustainable Development 396 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,280 Goals. But this made me look a little 397 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,440 bit further into something that he pointed out in the article, 398 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,440 which has to do with how against sustainable development goals 399 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,560 and research are tied together. So it back in 2020 when all of 400 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,120 us were obviously distracted by something else and we all know 401 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,160 what that is. There was something that was 402 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,800 signed by several of the the largest scientific publishers in 403 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,200 the world called the Sustainable Development Goals Publishers 404 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,880 Compact from the United Nations. And I would like to start here 405 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,920 with a video clip from when they announced excited they were that 406 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,440 they were signing this compact. So let's watch this clip. 407 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,040 Welcome. I'm Phil Coleman. 408 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,520 I'm the presidential envoy for diversity and inclusion for the 409 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,560 International Publishers Association. 410 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,640 I am delighted to see publishers and colleagues from. 411 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,240 Across the publishing industry. Joining us today for this 412 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,320 landmark events, the launch of the Sustainable Development 413 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,360 Goals Publishers Compact, in short, the SDG Publishers 414 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:37,280 Compact. The Compact is a pledge of 10 415 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,960 concrete steps that publishers and publishing organisations can 416 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,560 commit to in order to accelerate progress in achieving these 417 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,360 Sustainable Development Goals by 20-30. 418 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:51,680 Only 10 more years to go. I am here joined by a 419 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,000 illustrious panel. There's Sherry Aldis, Chief of 420 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,720 the United Nations Publications, Hugo Zetzer, President of the 421 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,800 International Publishers Association, Jurgen Boss, 422 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,320 President and CEO of the. Frankfurt Book Fair. 423 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,640 Najaq Neisler, chair of the publishers committee of the 424 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,280 German Publishers and Booksellers Association. 425 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,640 The. Bursenferheim. 426 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,040 Welcome. Everybody. 427 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,240 Let me immediately start with explaining what exactly are the 428 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,200 United Nations Sustainable Development Goals and what does 429 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,920 the SDG Publishers Compact mean, Sherry. 430 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,000 Offer to you. Thank you very much, Mihaela. 431 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,840 I'm delighted to be here. It's a momentous occasion for us 432 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,720 to be launching the SDG Publishers Compact and happy to 433 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,440 be working with the IPA again on this project to, to promote the 434 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,840 Sustainable Development Goals. So as you say, we call them the 435 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,680 SDGS and they really are our road map for the next 10 years. 436 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,920 And when I say our road map, I mean all of us, each and every 437 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,680 one of us, and publishers as well. 438 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,640 So the St GS are 17 goals that were conceived to transform the 439 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,720 world over a period of 15 years. It's a universal call to action 440 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,400 to end poverty, to protect the planet and to improve the lives 441 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,960 and prospects of absolutely everybody, everywhere. 442 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,360 So there we go. It affects all of us. 443 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,240 If we go to the next slide here, I've just got us an example here 444 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,560 from the UN website from showing as we see the the wheel with all 445 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,040 those colours, which you will have seen that those presenters 446 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,440 were wearing their pins. They always wear the Sustainable 447 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,240 Development gold pins. That's how we know that they're 448 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,720 part of it. So what does it mean to sign the 449 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,920 compact? Well, there's 10 points that I'd 450 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,120 like to go through quickly, which is committing to the 451 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:39,800 Sustainable Development Goals themselves or the SDGS, actively 452 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,440 promoting and acquiring content that advocates for the SDGS, 453 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,600 annually reporting on progress towards achieving the SDGS, 454 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,120 nominating a person who will promote SDG progress, raising 455 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,080 awareness and promoting the SDGS among staff. 456 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,640 So that's for the publishers and five more raising awareness and 457 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,520 promoting this DGS among suppliers, becoming an advocate 458 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,960 to customers and stakeholders by promoting the SDG agenda, 459 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,880 collaborating across cities, countries and continents on 460 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,880 projects that will advance the SDGS, dedicating budget towards 461 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,040 SDG progress, and taking action on at least one SDG goal. 462 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,560 So that's what it means for publishers to sign up to this 463 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,760 agreement. Now I'm going to go into some 464 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,400 specific examples of publishers and then eventually university 465 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,800 projects that show how this is actually getting put into place. 466 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,160 Springer Nature is one of the biggest academic publishers in 467 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,840 the world, so they have an entire section on their website 468 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,800 about how they are promoting Sustainable Development Goals 469 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,400 programme and we have a video from Springer Nature as well 470 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,880 explaining this. The people who built Springer 471 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,880 Nature have been opening doors to discovery since the 472 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,160 beginnings of modern science. The research we publish has 473 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,040 provided a trusted. Source of knowledge to make 474 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,280 progress towards a better tomorrow. 475 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,600 We build on this legacy with the United Nations Sustainable 476 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,320 Development Goals, a blueprint to achieve a better and more 477 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,400 sustainable future for all. We work to support researchers 478 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,960 across the globe as they tackle urgent societal needs, 479 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,840 connecting them with practitioners in policy and 480 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,320 business who desperately need those insights to improve the 481 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,320 world. We work to amplify the 482 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,960 discoveries in our multidisciplinary books, 483 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,960 journals and cutting edge science journalism, opening up 484 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,600 and disseminating data and insights for those who need it 485 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,080 most. We work to innovate by investing 486 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,800 in new services and technologies such as machine learning to 487 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,520 identify SDG relevant content, providing insights and tools to 488 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,640 empower our customers and stakeholders to deliver. 489 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,800 We take responsibility for the environmental and societal 490 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,480 impacts of our own business operations, cutting our carbon 491 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,520 footprint, working towards greater inclusion and the 492 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,440 diversity, and forging strong links with the communities we 493 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,280 serve. With 2030 fast approaching, we 494 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,880 work to deliver real progress in addressing the most urgent 495 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,360 societal needs because we are a company of researchers, 496 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,600 engineers, writers, communicators, and leaders 497 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,520 committed to advancing discovery for the benefit of future 498 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:37,560 generations. So that is what the publishers 499 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,600 are doing. So I want to go into 500 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,880 specifically a situation of just one UK university, and this is 501 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,720 all universities all throughout the country and as you'll see 502 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,600 throughout the world if you look at the publishers. 503 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,440 So of course, if you are an academic or a researcher, you 504 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,600 have to publish papers and you have to get funding and you have 505 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,440 to make your university happy to show by showing that you are 506 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,840 continuing to do these things. So if we look at the University 507 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,440 of Strathclyde in Glasgow, which is where I worked for several 508 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,640 years as an academic, because I know the system well, I'm just 509 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,160 choosing this as one example, but you can see this in any 510 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,880 university in our country. They talk about the Sustainable 511 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,480 Development Goals under REF 2021. 512 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,120 So REF is the research excellence framework that every 513 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,320 university in the UK has to participate in every few years. 514 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,920 It's the government system for what they call assessing the 515 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,360 quality of research and UK higher education institutions. 516 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,480 So as we can see on the next slide here, what the University 517 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,440 of Strathclyde did as part of their participation and the 518 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,680 Research Excellence Framework 2021, they broke down the 519 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,280 research of all of the academics that had published or the past 520 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,720 years leading up to 2021 and the percentage of each sustainable 521 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,200 development goal that the research was meeting. 522 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,800 So that basically you're required to meet sustainable 523 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,240 development goals to make the university happy, or else you're 524 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,360 basically not even allowed to do the research. 525 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,960 Every university, as a result of being compliant with the 526 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,520 research excellence framework, has to have a research 527 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,880 repository. In the case of the University of 528 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,080 Strathclyde, it's called the Knowledge Based Research 529 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,720 Information Portal, where you can search all of the published 530 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,040 research done by the academics at the university. 531 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,160 And you can see right there on the home page for the portal, 532 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,560 there's a list of the 17 sustainable development goals. 533 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,920 And I just want to go into one example of just one research 534 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,880 project from the University of Strathclyde. 535 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,960 You can find anything that any of these universities are giving 536 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,640 now that they have to align with these goals or throws. 537 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,120 They can't do it. This is one example called 538 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,080 Design Hopes or Healthy organisations in a place based 539 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,920 ecosystem. In Scotland this was funded for 540 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,960 almost £4,000,000. It is the funding period is 541 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,160 about to end and it's funded by the Arts and Humanities Research 542 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,800 Council which is again part of the UK Research Council's 543 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,240 funding scheme. And what they are doing here is 544 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,480 making NHS Scotland more sustainable. 545 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,360 So let's look at their video explaining what they have been 546 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,760 doing in this project. The health and care sector is a 547 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,600 part of the green transition like all other parts of society, 548 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,320 and in response to the pressing climate emergency we all face, 549 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,639 it needs to work more sustainably and move beyond net 550 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:18,760 zero. If the global healthcare sector 551 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,719 were a country, it would be the 5th largest contributor to 552 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,000 climate change in the world and NHS Scotland has set out its own 553 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,560 plans to become a net 0 organisation by 2040. 554 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,199 Design Hopes is a design LED research project which responds 555 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,080 to health and social care needs. In order to address these 556 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,159 pressing challenges, we work collaboratively across 5 of 557 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,920 Scotland's universities, in collaboration with NHS Scotland 558 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,120 and other project partners, creating a range of design 559 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,199 interventions to help meet and move beyond these urgent net 560 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,280 zero goals. Working with frontline 561 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,120 healthcare practitioners, I see everyday how much energy our 562 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,920 systems consume and how much clinical and domestic waste is 563 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,400 generated in a single ward, a single hospital. 564 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,400 If you can imagine this multiplied across the whole 565 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,680 healthcare system, you can start to understand some of the 566 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,800 changes required in our day to day work to meet our. 567 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,360 Net 0 targets. It's. 568 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,360 Clear there is the will to deliver world leading health and 569 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,000 social care in a way that benefits patients, the planet 570 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,760 and the broader ecosystems we are all part of. 571 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,200 There is now an urgent need for us to ensure our health and care 572 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,360 services are delivered sustainably. 573 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,920 Design Hopes will help us to innovate and change in ways that 574 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,760 are tangible and demonstrates the value of these new 575 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,440 approaches to patients, NHS Scotland, staff, carers and the 576 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,480 wider public. The Design Hopes will advance 577 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,440 society's understanding of designs value and impact, as 578 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,440 well as some of the behaviour changes and tools needed to 579 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,880 transition the health and social care sector to an ecologically 580 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,760 and socially sustainable approach. 581 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,720 So at the end there, that was Professor Paul Rogers of the 582 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:09,160 University of Strathclyde who is the leader of the project and 583 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,240 you can see he's talking about behaviour change. 584 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,640 If we look at one of the what they call research outputs, IE 585 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,080 articles, academic papers produced as a result of this 586 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,400 £4,000,000 funded project. There's one here in the research 587 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,440 repository from the University of Strathclyde, which is called 588 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,320 Design, Thinking, Acting, making a net 0 transformational change 589 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,760 across NHS Scotland. Professor Rogers is listed as 590 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,640 the first author of this paper and you can see right there 591 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,960 clearly on the slide that it contributes to SDG 13 climate 592 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,960 action. So everything that is in this 593 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,680 repository will have these links. 594 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,960 That particular paper was published by a different huge 595 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,840 academic publisher called MDP I. They also have a section on 596 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,560 their website explaining how they are committed to the UN 597 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,840 Compact on SDG's and how these will be transforming the world 598 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,360 and how the supports what they do and choosing the research 599 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,520 that they publish. One thing that I want to mention 600 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,600 as well about Professor Rogers is that his personal profile on 601 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,960 the University of Strathclyde's website lists out that he has 602 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,360 done research that aligns to all 17 SDGS, which is certainly in 603 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,080 today's academic world a clear marker for promotion if that's 604 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,080 what you're after. Here's some examples of what 605 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,200 Design Hopes has done with the taxpayers for £1,000,000. 606 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,640 There's a whole website up on this. 607 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,600 So Design Hopes as it says the supporting a green and just 608 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,680 transition for NHS Scotland. But what does that actually 609 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,440 mean? Well some of the projects 610 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,120 they've done, because Professor Rogers is in design, they have 611 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,400 designed, for example, a board game that engages communities in 612 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,600 designing inclusive healthcare gardens to enhance health and 613 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,160 well being and this interactive game is going to help them learn 614 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,840 how to do that. There is a project called Flow 615 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,520 which is an interactive game once again designed to help NHS 616 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,400 Scotland staff visualise patient movement through hospitals, 617 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,200 particularly focusing on urgent or semi urgent care at NHS 618 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,520 Teesside And reusable theatre caps hot off the press. 619 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,880 This one was a big, big, huge outcome from this £4,000,000 was 620 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,560 covered all over mainstream media. 621 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,360 And as we can see examples here, this is from that article that I 622 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,000 mentioned by the academic publisher that there's one of 623 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,680 the things that they've done is create these reusable operating 624 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,440 theatre caps and, and that this is a a big deal for them. 625 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,680 They're using the raw materials and they can reuse them and we 626 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,040 can see them all happy. They're in their masks showing 627 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,120 off what they've done. Professor Rogers as well. 628 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,600 And this is just not to pick on one particular person, but 629 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,760 anyone in any university is doing things like this. 630 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,880 But I thought this was a particularly interesting thing 631 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,840 to end the segment on. Not related to the Design Hopes 632 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,280 project, but he has contributed to a book called Chronicles of 633 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,200 Care, a design history of the COVID-19 virus. 634 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,160 And the whole point of it was that it says that in the 635 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,600 abstract. It says the COVID-19 crisis and 636 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,640 the design interventions that the authors have catalogued in 637 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,560 this book proved definitively that design does care. 638 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,160 The authors documented this as it evolved every day from the 639 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:14,640 1st of January 2020 to 31st of May 2020 inclusive. 640 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,440 So we're looking at an interesting time frame there and 641 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,040 we can see that that research. This book contributed to four 642 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,720 different UNSD GS. So I'm sure he got a lot of 643 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:26,160 great credit for that and his annual review, Brian and Ben. 644 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,240 Diane, thank you very much. The caps, reusable caps got me 645 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:36,800 because basically as far as I remember in the NHS, uniforms 646 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,880 used to be meticulously boil washed, as was bed linen. 647 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:45,200 And so reusable cap would have been given a boil wash and 648 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,200 brought back into use. But apparently we now need a 649 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:53,880 £4,000,000 design research study in order to come up with a new 650 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,960 cap. Quite, quite astonishing. 651 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,640 Thank you for that. Now once again, a huge thank you 652 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,000 to the audience, wherever you are in the world, for everybody 653 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,240 supporting UK column, we can only do what we do with your 654 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,040 financial support. So a huge thank you. 655 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,800 If you're not on board as a member, we're not making pardon, 656 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,440 let's come back here or you're not donating to the UK column. 657 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,960 Then go to the website and click the blue button and bring that 658 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,640 on screen once more and follow it through. 659 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,920 Now tonight at 7:00, germ warfare will be interviewing 660 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,160 former Angus. So forming food health always 661 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,760 very important to us here at UK column. 662 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,040 If you haven't joined any of Germs interviews, TuneIn tonight 663 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:47,160 at 7:00 PM and the next one, Diane, is yours, an interview 664 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,800 with Rosemarie Jenkinson. Yes, Brian, I, I interviewed 665 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,800 Rosemary Jenkinson, who's an author that I met at the E 666 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,920 Academy conference that I attended earlier in the summer. 667 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,840 She's an author who was cancelled by her publisher for 668 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,760 something that she wrote. And so she's written this 669 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,880 dystopian novel called The Memorizers. 670 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,360 And it's a very interesting novel. 671 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,120 And we'll be talking about the context around this writing. 672 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,040 I would just do give you a bit of a preview on the back cover. 673 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,160 It says your truth is the wrong kind of truth. 674 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,120 Yes, and that that becomes ever more true. 675 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,160 OK, thank you for that. Now I just wanted to give a 676 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,520 quick mention to some of the people that helped that 677 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,680 fantastic local event over the weekend at RAF Harrow Beer near 678 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,880 Yelverton. And so I wanted to give a a 679 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,840 mention to both the Military Vehicle Trust, Devon Military 680 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,040 Vehicle Trust and the World War 2RE enactment Southwest Group 681 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,520 who really did a fantastic job. So anybody who's interested in 682 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,880 things to do with the Second World War, history thereof or re 683 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,200 enactment, you may choose to give them some support. 684 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,040 Now, we've got other people who've been working hard and 685 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,120 we've mentioned them before. We the people of the Northeast, 686 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,000 what have you got here, Diane? Well, yes, but thanks to our 687 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,480 friends that we, the people Northeast who provided the 688 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,240 coverage that we all showed two weeks ago today and the migrant 689 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,360 protests that happened in Newcastle, They have taken some 690 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,840 of our content that we used on the news that day, as well as 691 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,200 our extra time content and some of their own coverage that 692 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,880 didn't quite manage to make it into the news just because of 693 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,000 time. And they've created a full 694 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,560 video, which is over an hour called Whose Streets. 695 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,880 Because one of the chants happening during the protest, of 696 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,960 course, was Whose Streets are Streets. 697 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,640 And this is from again, the 2nd of August migrant protests at 698 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,320 the Newbridge Hotel in Newcastle. 699 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,560 So they've provided me with the trailer. 700 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,600 You can see the full thing on their Rumble channel, which we 701 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,160 will put a link to in the show notes. 702 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,640 But let's watch the trailer for now. 703 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,640 Ben just for me to see people in masks when clearly the police 704 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,080 have said many, many times they're not going to tolerate 705 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,200 people being masked up, this appears to me at least to be 706 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,160 part of what I'm going to call 22 tier policing. 707 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,560 It's certainly 2 tier policing. I think a lot of those people 708 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,200 are just cowards to be honest with you. 709 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,000 If you've got an opinion, get out on the street and and front 710 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,760 it up yourself, you know, and also you a lot of these people 711 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,440 have just busted in. So you have local communities 712 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,800 out protesting and then these people turn up a lot of the time 713 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,440 ushered in by the police, and they're from out of the area. 714 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,960 Well, I'm not going to answer any questions you need to go 715 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,760 through our press office unless it's something about what you 716 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,320 want to do now. OK, will the police be taxing in 717 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,080 the far left like they did in Essex? 718 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,400 I'm not going to be answering any kind of questions. 719 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,880 I'm not here for an interview, clearly. 720 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,800 I'm here for to help police's protest. 721 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,040 Go ahead. It's a fuse. 722 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,240 They've had a fuse that's slowly. 723 00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,400 Burning. It's slowly burning and 724 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,280 eventually it's just going to be an explosion. 725 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,680 OK. Well, thank you very much. 726 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,080 We the people NE for that and I hope that they'll be providing 727 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,680 more clips in the future because they're doing some really good 728 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,400 work getting out and about and recording what's happening now. 729 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,080 Also a reminder for the coming weekend events and that's the 730 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:31,280 Freedom Music Festival. The Hope Group and UK Column 731 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,240 will be there. We'll be setting up this coming 732 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:37,800 Friday, but we're there for the weekend and we're really looking 733 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,320 forward to it. And of course UK column team 734 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,200 will be giving a a full day to not only a news but also talks 735 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:50,360 to the audience on the Saturday. So do come along and join in. 736 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,040 It will be really excellent and I have just been told that if 737 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:59,600 you use the Freedom 50 code when you apply for a ticket for this 738 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,160 event, you'll get 50% off. So there you are. 739 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,120 You can't do better than that. Now. 740 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,680 Just a reminder that the UK column on location event in York 741 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,160 tickets selling very, very well. So thank you very much to 742 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,600 everybody who's bought them. We've been starting to announce 743 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,920 speakers. So Andrew Wakefield, of course, 744 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,160 we've talked about. We've also said that people will 745 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,880 be able to see the Protocol 7 video, but we'd also like to 746 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,080 announce that Tess Laurie from the World Council for Health 747 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,000 will also be one of the speakers. 748 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,160 There are more to come. And of course, she's been 749 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,800 working very hard to give ordinary people power in making 750 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,480 decisions about their health and saying that there's a better way 751 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,160 of doing things than we're told via the World Economic Forum, 752 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,200 Sustainable Development Goals or indeed the NHS on health. 753 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,360 So I'm sure that's going to be really fascinating. 754 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,360 Now, Ben, let's bring you in because we've had some 755 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,680 coincidences when we've been researching over the last few 756 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,240 months and some of that has come back to Plymouth in the work 757 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:10,880 that I was looking at probably 1516 years ago was suddenly 758 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,720 become relevant again. But you've discovered also that 759 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:19,600 Plymouth is absolutely heading towards the Super City status. 760 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,440 It, it absolutely is. And you brought this to my 761 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,160 attention actually, Brian, because of the event you went 762 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,200 to, the community consultation event that you went to, when was 763 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,400 that? About a month ago, wasn't. 764 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,960 It conversation where of course Plymouth wants to expand and 765 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,920 take over local parishes. It wants to increase the 766 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,680 population of Plymouth. This is all to do with 767 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,760 centralised power under the Governments Local under the 768 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,000 Central Governments Local Government Reorganisation Plan. 769 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,880 Yes. And and that a lot of that is to 770 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,960 do with the this report from Babcock which I believe that 771 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,760 they introduced to you during that meeting. 1 Devonport A 772 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,560 blueprint for the future which essentially amounts to the 773 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:04,520 militarisation of the UK economic system, as we've been 774 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,280 talking about earlier on in the show. 775 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,000 So what what does this actually involve? 776 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,960 They set out a vision just come from the Royal Navy. 777 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,920 Well, this isn't the cover from the Royal Navy. 778 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,480 We'll get into who it's actually from as we go along, but what 779 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,400 they're doing is developing a world class, secure, safe, 780 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,840 integrated operating and support base for the Royal Navy and 781 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,640 NATO. Crucially, this is AUK base and 782 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,560 a NATO base. And that term integrated 783 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,840 operating really puts the hairs on the back of my neck up, 784 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,240 right? Because there's a document that 785 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,440 Mike's talked about a lot previously, integrated operating 786 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,000 concepts, which says, she says that we are never not at war and 787 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,120 our own citizens should be considered enemies, even within 788 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,960 our own barracks, actually. And that's embedded right into 789 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,840 this Royal Navy document talking about the redevelopment of 790 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,480 Plymouth, right? So what is this all about but 791 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,280 militarisation? Force generation across every 792 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,680 component of the system. Building a new operating base, 793 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,440 Establishing capabilities for nuclear fuel handling for 794 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,160 submarines and and for warships. Building barracks, community 795 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:18,840 engagement, Hiring and training the workforce, Running support 796 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,280 for operations for forward deployed ships, doing 797 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,120 maintenance, the the full suite of capabilities like this is 798 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,760 actually a really impressive site that they've got and they 799 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,960 already exist right. You know, Plymouth has been 800 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,320 since naval centre for for centuries, but this is the the 801 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,680 next generation of that building, what they're calling a 802 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:44,040 new Navy essentially and. I'm just adding to that, Ben, 803 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,280 that the dockyard in Plymouth is vast. 804 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,080 It's over 340 hectares, so overwhelmingly the biggest naval 805 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,280 base in Europe. And so this is the strategic 806 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,680 importance of it. Yeah, absolutely. 807 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,440 And this is a huge development programme, loads of money coming 808 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,240 in, a lot of it, as you can see on the bottom there, maybe just 809 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,840 a little bit small for some people, but we got EU money 810 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,320 there alongside HM government. So there's a real kind of 811 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:19,040 mixture happening here. This is a total redevelopment of 812 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,160 a huge piece of legacy infrastructure. 813 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,440 So you can see on the right hand side in the centre there some 814 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,480 beautiful, frankly, you know, astonishingly beautiful 815 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,920 Victorian buildings that we have over there in Devonport and in 816 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,560 the southwest of the city. And this is all being completely 817 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,440 transformed. You can pause this and have a 818 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,680 look at it. And this is going to run out for 819 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,280 for for decades, you know. So they've got long term 820 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,640 planning running out past 2040. And this is essentially the 821 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,280 economic engine that is going to be used to drive population 822 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,720 growth across, across Plymouth, right? 823 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,960 You know, they're, they're, they're really going after this. 824 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,160 And importantly, this is a public private partnership. 825 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,320 Talk about this all the time. So you can see at the bottom 826 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,040 there, this is from the Backpage of the document. 827 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,000 You've got the Royal Navy, the defence equipment and support, 828 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,800 the MOD submarine delivery agency alongside Mighty Serco 829 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,720 and Babcock, right? So those are three listed 830 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:17,920 corporations? Vast. 831 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,200 Yeah, absolutely. And that is the corporatist 832 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,120 system that we talk about, right? 833 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,120 That's the definition of fascism. 834 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,040 That's what Mussolini, how Mussolini described fascism. 835 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,280 It's corporatist. And importantly, corporations 836 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:39,520 are incentivized to maximise returns to shareholders. 837 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,440 So there's never any incentive for them to end the wars. 838 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,120 That's actually part of the way that they're constituted, right? 839 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,720 And this is what is sitting right at the heart of the UK 840 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,680 economic strategy. And in fact, this is something 841 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,880 Starmer himself has talked about extensively. 842 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,760 And this is really sitting right at the heart of the of the 843 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,680 future of Plymouth. And Babcock are right in the 844 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,240 middle of it. Essentially, this is a Babcock 845 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:05,800 site. The other corporations we've 846 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:11,600 talked about are partners in this and this is a listed 847 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,400 corporation. As I've just said, there's 0 848 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,320 incentive for them to ever de escalate or to end wars because 849 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,640 that's how they make their money. 850 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,920 They are hugely significant in the UK economy. 851 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:29,640 So 4.3 billion total contribution to the economy, 1.1 852 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:35,200 billion in taxes, 67,000 jobs either directly or indirectly 853 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:41,240 related to to Babcock and they are in the southwest of England, 854 00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:43,560 but also up in Scotland. Obviously we've got a big 855 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,880 nuclear capability up there. And this is all about delivering 856 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,560 the defence dividend, right? So when Star was there talking 857 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,800 about good jobs for working people, putting money into your 858 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,680 pocket, thinking about the working class, it's because they 859 00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,280 want to invest in the military industrial complex and and an 860 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,800 ever escalating and cascading series of of international 861 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,600 conflicts, right. This is ultimately what it's all 862 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,920 about and who's pulling the strings here? 863 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,680 Let's go and have a look at the board. 864 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,800 Just three people who immediately jumped out at me, 865 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,720 Dame Ruth Cairney DBE, who is also the patron of Women in 866 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:20,840 Defence, which made me feel really warm and fuzzy. 867 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,760 Actually, knowing that there's a lady in charge of our nuclear 868 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,600 capabilities, that was fantastic. 869 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,880 Well, there's a lot of questions to be asked about about that and 870 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,200 these people and how they get their power base. 871 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,640 I agree. Yeah, certainly. 872 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,360 So these these are yeah, the top corporate people. 873 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,960 David Lockwood in the centre there, OBE importantly DBEOBE. 874 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,080 So these are courtiers. Just think of him like like 875 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,720 that. Favoured individuals. 876 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,760 Absolutely. And and the gentleman on the 877 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,920 right hand side there, the Right Honourable the Lord Parker of 878 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,040 Minsmere GV OK CB bit of a mouthful. 879 00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:00,280 He actually was the Director General of MI 5, appointed by 880 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,000 David Cameron, did that job until 2020, from 2013. 881 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,200 And he was then appointed as Lord Chamberlain, so essentially 882 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,840 head of the Royal Household. So again, like we've seen video 883 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,720 earlier of of King Charles, you know, talking about how awful 884 00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,320 war is. And yet he's got one of his top 885 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,720 people who actually runs the royal household also sitting on 886 00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:26,440 top of a weapons company. So this doesn't really add up, 887 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,080 does it? Doesn't make any sense. 888 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,120 It does for a duplicitous world, yes, is what I will say. 889 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,720 Yes, right. And that's what's happening in 890 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,720 Plymouth, total transformation of the city driven by the 891 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:45,240 military industrial complex. But it's not just happening in 892 00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:49,840 Plymouth, it's happening across the whole of the UK. 893 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,280 And actually, I might just skip the next slide, Mike, and we 894 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,360 will just go straight to the video where we'll find out a bit 895 00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:03,520 more about the Thames Freeport. We're bringing you new 896 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,640 possibilities right here. By the Thames. 897 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,000 Your home, your school, your future, All connected. 898 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,760 Welcome to our driverless service. 899 00:54:27,150 --> 00:54:30,350 Need something? It's always within reach. 900 00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:38,670 New jobs are on the way. A sustainable. 901 00:54:38,670 --> 00:54:51,600 Future built for you. A smarter, greener place, always 902 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:52,840 there. When you need it. 903 00:54:58,270 --> 00:55:01,830 Future tech making life easier every day. 904 00:55:06,910 --> 00:55:10,390 Your future right here by the temps. 905 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,000 Cartoon We've had jigsaws for young children in order to get 906 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,000 the SDG message across and here we've got a cartoon. 907 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,120 It's quite childish really, wasn't it? 908 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,320 But that's that's the smart city agenda, right? 909 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,920 So it's it's everything's connected, driverless vehicles, 910 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,280 virtual reality concerts, drone delivery of fast food, so you 911 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,120 don't have to actually talk to anyone at any point charging 912 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,920 points so that you'll never run out of battery or on your phone. 913 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,640 You can imagine it's Geo fencing on actually allowed to leave, 914 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,360 right? This is what they're pushing 915 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,440 towards ultimately, and it's the same agenda that we've just 916 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,720 talked about in Plymouth. Ultimately that will be a smart 917 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:56,000 city, no doubt, but it's the same agenda that we can see 918 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,440 happening up in London and to the east of London. 919 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,520 Importantly, that was Thames Freeport. 920 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,920 Sandy's spoken about the Freeport entities like this, 921 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,160 this kind of new free trade structure, these zones that 922 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,920 don't exist within the normal bounds of the country, they're 923 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,440 actually separate entities. Talked about that earlier on in 924 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,880 the year and essentially this is being positioned as the biggest 925 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:22,400 opportunity in a generation for London ultimately, which is a 926 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,920 remarkable statement to be honest with you. 927 00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:27,280 Apparently it's unique and transformative. 928 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,040 It's going to stimulate trade, foster innovation, support the 929 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,560 energy transition. So these new cities, they're all 930 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,720 about bringing through new technological infrastructure and 931 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:40,600 this is absolutely vast. It's right in the east of the 932 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,960 city in the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham, London 933 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,280 Borough of Havering and then out into Essex into into Thurrock. 934 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:53,320 And it is going to transform that kind of post industrial 935 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,120 landscape. Ultimately, that's what a lot of 936 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,400 that is, not exclusively, but that has been a hub of global 937 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,600 trade for 1000 years. And they're now going to turn it 938 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:07,200 into this completely transformed smart city. 939 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,120 This was announced by Ruth Kelly, former Secretary of State 940 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,640 for communities and local government under Tony Blair. 941 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,520 Obviously we've got Blair people in the mix and it's going to be 942 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:21,680 delivered by a consortium led by EY, where I used to work, who 943 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,240 are a World Economic Forum strategic partner, alongside a 944 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,640 couple of other people, including the Young Foundation. 945 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,480 Yes, you've got these kind of social engineering type 946 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,840 organisations like the Young Foundation working hand in hand 947 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,680 with EY who are kind of hardcore Uber capitalists, right? 948 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,800 So this is that sort of money and power dynamic that I talk 949 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,760 about a lot. And Young Foundation worked 950 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,160 alongside Common Purpose and Demos. 951 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:53,560 So, so a tangled web of these very powerful think tanks and 952 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,600 facilitators. Exactly. 953 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,160 And to deliver what exactly? Because they're going to tear up 954 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,520 the country in order to implement what you caught that 955 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,000 that little ridiculous little video that we just watched, Like 956 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,520 how is that going to translate into reality? 957 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,440 It won't translate into reality like this is. 958 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,080 It's just ludicrous. The idea that we would want to 959 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,760 progress with something like this and where's it coming from? 960 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,000 So I actually found out about this via this chap. 961 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,680 This is Max Beverton Palmer, who's currently head of public 962 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,840 policy at NVIDIA UK, and I spoke about NVIDIA last week. 963 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,920 They're one of the people who are leading the Project Stargate 964 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,040 initiative up in Norway, and he's formerly of the Blair 965 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,080 Institute. And their mantra, you can see 966 00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,880 here writ large, technology is disruptive. 967 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,360 The pace of technological change is accelerating. 968 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,000 According to them. Technology changes power 969 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,520 structures, it centralises power structures, it globalises power 970 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:48,920 structures. That's what these people are 971 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,240 doing. And it's going right into 972 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,160 Downing Street, right? So this guy Everton Park, it's 973 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,320 been at Downing St in the past couple of weeks talking about 974 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,200 the Thames Freeport initiative, this idea of a new smart city 975 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,920 for the for the east of London with a delegation made up of 976 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,000 money, infrastructure, weapons and technology companies money. 977 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,240 You've got Barclays and Standard Chartered are in there. 978 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,280 Infrastructure, you've got BT Group in the National Grid, 979 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,840 weapons manufacturers, you've got Babcock again and BAE 980 00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,760 Systems. They're in the mix for this. 981 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,360 And then start UPS including this organisation Humanoid. 982 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,440 I'll just run a tiny little bit of this, but there is literally 983 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,200 a company that is building humanoid robots to create a new 984 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:34,600 workforce to exist in this smart city going to Downing St with 985 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,320 people from the Blair Foundation and the weapons manufacturers, 986 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,160 right? This is this is the 987 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,040 technological road map that they're progressing with. 988 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:49,120 And they're going to flatten but a load of East London, a load of 989 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,960 Essex. And actually they're not the 990 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,920 only people who are going to be flattening a bunch of Essex, 991 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,040 because also we've seen in the past few days TfL have just 992 00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,320 announced a new partnership with EDF, a French. 993 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,600 Multinational energy companies to supply solar energy, enough 994 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,680 solar energy to run the the entire tube network. 995 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,080 Apparently that's going to be out of a brand new solar 996 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:16,280 facility in Essex, supposedly creating green jobs, boosting 997 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,120 biodiversity somehow. I'm not sure how that's 998 01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:20,880 possible. Just putting loads of solar 999 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,200 panels onto a field not going to boost biodiversity. 1000 01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,320 And as you can see here, that is all prime farmland. 1001 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,040 There are a bunch of farms who are no longer going to be farms 1002 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,960 who are going to be replaced with the infrastructure for this 1003 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,600 new technological paradigm that we're being ushered into. 1004 01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:46,160 And this is absolutely happening right now today and being pushed 1005 01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,080 out across the country. And of course, most people 1006 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:53,160 overwhelmingly, absolutely not aware of what's being planned or 1007 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,800 indeed how it's being planned through Westminster. 1008 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,760 But as we heard at the start of the news, Keir Starmer 1009 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,520 reassuring the British public that he's got us at the 1010 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:07,080 forefront of his mind everyday. U.S., jobs, families. 1011 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,760 Let's leave it there. Ben, Diane, let's bring you back 1012 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:18,640 just for a final segment about, well, it's AI and what are we 1013 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,320 really saying? Should we trust it? 1014 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,640 I suppose. That's an interesting question, 1015 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,320 Brian. So I just wanted to give you an 1016 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,360 example of ChatGPT use, which we're hearing more and more 1017 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,120 people saying all the time, we'll just use ChatGPT. 1018 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,080 It's quick, it's easy, it will give you a good answer. 1019 01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:41,120 You don't have to do a lot of time it's spent to find whatever 1020 01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,080 it is that you need to find because you just type in the 1021 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,360 question and have a conversation with you. 1022 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,960 Just recently, anecdotally, I've been playing with ChatGPT with 1023 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,320 which which should be very simple questions, and I'm 1024 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,040 getting a lot of incorrect answers back. 1025 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,560 I even know of someone that I was trying to have a Zoom call 1026 01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,960 with a few weeks ago who used ChatGPT to figure out the time 1027 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,000 difference because she was in another country. 1028 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,560 She got the time wrong because ChatGPT didn't account for the 1029 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,160 fact that we were on British summer Time. 1030 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,200 So she was an hour off. And the message lately that 1031 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,400 we've been seeing around is that ChatGPT and these other AI chat 1032 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,200 box and so on can sort your life out. 1033 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,760 So I just kind of did some very casual types of searching 1034 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,160 around. So I just typed into Google 1035 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,320 ChatGPT, sorting my life out. And what happened? 1036 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,480 Well, AI told me, Google's AI told me that ChatGPT can indeed 1037 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,480 be a valuable tool for organising various aspects of 1038 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,920 life, including time management, goal setting and even 1039 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,520 decluttering, breaking down tasks, etcetera. 1040 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,080 So I thought, OK, so what's a task that we might do with 1041 01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,680 ChatGPT? That's very simple. 1042 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,880 So I thought about all of the budgetary issues that people are 1043 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,560 facing in this country because of the state of the economy. 1044 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,800 And I thought, well, what about shopping and and buying basic 1045 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,680 groceries? So looking at trying to figure 1046 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,000 out how much somebody might be able to budget for their 1047 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,880 groceries in a in a weekly shop, I asked it and, and I said, what 1048 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,680 is the street value of lure pack? 1049 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,200 So then it responded to me, which was really didn't see. 1050 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,920 Maybe my wording was a bit unusual, but I was trying to see 1051 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,280 what it would say to me. It said, it sounds like you're 1052 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,520 curious about the street value of Lurpak, perhaps wondering 1053 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,680 what it's actually selling for in shops rather than any black 1054 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,960 market context. I wasn't asking about black 1055 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,600 market anything. Lurpak is a premium butter 1056 01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,400 brand. I would beg to differ. 1057 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,600 So it's prices tend to reflect that. 1058 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,320 So it listed a few bullet points of some different prices of of 1059 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,280 Lurpak of sort of typically around £3.75, four pounds. 1060 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,920 And it's as you can see here, it's it's referring to different 1061 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,640 sources. It refers to Amazon UK for good 1062 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,920 to know. I don't know why it's listed 1063 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,440 prices for Tesco and Asda, but then they're sort of crossed 1064 01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,440 out. So I don't know what the strike 1065 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,280 through was for. It says around £2.15 and Amazon 1066 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,840 UK for 200 grammes. So I decided to actually go to 1067 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,520 some real shops instead of depending on AI to do to figure 1068 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,440 out how much it would cost to buy lure pack in my city. 1069 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:13,080 So the Tesco, which is local to me, said that the cost of 750 1070 01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:17,800 grammes of lure pack was £8.25, which I thought was quite 1071 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,360 ridiculously high for any any amount of lure pack at all 1072 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,840 whatsoever. So I went to four different 1073 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,640 shops in my city just to compare prices. 1074 01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,120 So this is actual on the ground reporting and I just made a 1075 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,560 little bar chart out of it. I went to BNM, ALDI, Morrison's 1076 01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,720 and Tesco and what's interesting is that you can see that there 1077 01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,440 is a range of prices, but there's also a range of sizes. 1078 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,640 So it's not so much about a big or a smaller pack. 1079 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,760 It gets a bit confusing because there's 250 grammes, 400 1080 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,400 grammes, 500 grammes, 600 grammes, 750 grammes that 1081 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,640 appeared in just these four different shops in one city, 1082 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,160 which could make you believe that maybe something costs more 1083 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,200 or less than it actually costs. So it makes it very difficult 1084 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,840 for someone to determine and obviously impossible at this 1085 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,560 point for AI to be able to discern between those different 1086 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,160 sizes and which is actually the best value for money. 1087 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,720 So with all that, it's just a silly example, I guess to sort 1088 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,200 of show how information can be really, really incorrect on 1089 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,320 these chat bots. And we're going to be doing a 1090 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,680 lot of future reporting on ChatGPT to actually look at how 1091 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,600 it's getting its information. And we'll, this will be coming 1092 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,640 up in teacher editions of UK Column news. 1093 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,560 I would also like to announce to our longer time viewers, if 1094 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,800 those of you who remember UKC Verify in the past, we are 1095 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,720 bringing that back. I'm happy to say UKC Verify is, 1096 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,080 of course, the anecdote to BBC Verify in Mariana Spring. 1097 01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,360 I would like to say that personally, I believe that as 1098 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,080 the information correspondent for UK Column, I am also the 1099 01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,480 antidote for Mariana Spring. We've tried to have her on the 1100 01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,240 show several times and she just for whatever reason, will not 1101 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,400 respond to us to our our request our our request to interview her 1102 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,120 or talk to her. But what I would like to say is 1103 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,680 that we have started UKC verify in the past saying that if you 1104 01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,080 find any sort of mainstream source that you would like us to 1105 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,960 check to make sure whether or not it is accurate, we can do 1106 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,120 that for you. I would also like to invite 1107 01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,840 viewers to consider trying this with ChatGPT or other AI chat 1108 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,480 bots. And if you would like us to 1109 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,720 verify any information, whether it's about the price of lur pack 1110 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,840 or the street value of lur pack or anything else, we can do 1111 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,640 that. But there are actually some very 1112 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,040 serious implications to finding incorrect information 1113 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:28,840 information. And we're also unfortunately 1114 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,720 seeing that in some cases it's affecting people's mental health 1115 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,560 and their well being. So we really need to be careful 1116 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,600 with this. So I invite any sort of 1117 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,000 discussion back and forth with our viewers, and we'll be doing 1118 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,200 some very serious reporting on this in the future. 1119 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,360 Thank you very much for that. And indeed, it is a very serious 1120 01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,560 thing, AI, and we will be spending a lot more time looking 1121 01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,680 into it and what it's possible impacts are. 1122 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,720 So we must end there. Ben, thank you very much for 1123 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,320 joining me. Diane, thank you for UK column 1124 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,200 members. We'll be back in a few moments 1125 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,040 for UK column Extra huge thank you to our audience today, 1126 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,520 wherever you are in the world. And please, if you haven't got a 1127 01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,360 ticket for that York event and you'd like to come and meet the 1128 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:20,440 team and hear some really great talks, get on board and get a 1129 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,280 ticket. We'd love to see you there. 1130 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,440 We'll end on that note. Thanks for joining us. 1131 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:26,040 Bye bye.