1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,640 Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the 2nd of July 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,800 just after 1:00. Welcome to UK Call News. 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,760 I'm your host, Mike Robinson. Joining me Bev video link today 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,720 are researcher and activist Sandy Adams and journalist and 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,560 peace campaigner Vanessa Bailey. Now in a few minutes, Charles, 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,440 we'll be reporting on the latest geoengineering news. 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,240 Vanessa will bring us the latest news on Gaza. 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,160 And Sandy, we'll be covering the House of Commons debate on egg 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,880 donation by young women. But we're going to begin with 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,600 the question of whether or not the UK is a dictatorship. 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,680 Now Alex Creole writes the Thinking Coalition Substack and 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,240 his latest article asks exactly that question. 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,600 Now the the latest reason, or at least the latest reason why the 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,240 question arises, is that the text of the What Does an MP Do 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,400 page on the UK Parliament website has changed at some 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:57,880 point in the last couple of weeks. 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,920 I'm very pleased to say that Alex Grill joins us now to 18 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,720 discuss what has changed and when it changed. 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,440 Welcome to the programme, Alex. Let me begin by asking you how 20 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,680 you came to discover the change in the text, because I don't 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,520 imagine that this is a page that people look at as a matter of 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,400 routine. It's a special kind of weirdo to 23 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:23,320 be tracing the changes in UK parliament website. 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:29,400 But seriously, I was actually looking at explaining to people 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:35,960 on Substack how the vote on the decriminalisation of abortion to 26 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:42,200 birth was a breach of the MP's requirements to represent the 27 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,800 public and represent their constituents in, in the Houses 28 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:51,160 of Commons. And when I went to look at the 29 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,360 definition to show people, look, this is what they're supposed to 30 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,720 do, a completely different text came up. 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,120 And I sort of checked several times through, through the 32 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,600 archive system as well. And I, I, I worked out, yes, 33 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,520 exactly. There'd been a very significant 34 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,160 change. OK, welcome back. 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,920 Apologies for the technical issue there. 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,120 Not quite sure what happened, but there we go. 37 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,120 Anyway, Alex was talking there about the changes to the 38 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,080 Parliamentary House of Commons website, the Parliament website 39 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,280 and the role of MP. So let's just let's just run 40 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,080 through what those changes were. So this is what the text used to 41 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,840 say. The public The UK public elects 42 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,200 Members of Parliament to represent their interests and 43 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,680 concerns in the House of Commons. 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,960 MPs consider and can propose new laws as well as raising issues 45 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,240 that matter to you in the House. This includes asking government 46 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,840 ministers questions about current issues, including those 47 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,880 that affect local constituents. And well, this is the text that 48 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,920 has it has been changed to It now says MPs work both at the UK 49 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:00,200 Parliament and their local constituencies. 50 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,040 How and where they work is largely up to them to decide. 51 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,880 There is no job description on a contract of employment for MPs, 52 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,920 nor any rules on how they how they should balance the 53 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:14,560 competing demands of these two roles. 54 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,320 However, MPs must abide by standards of conduct, rules and 55 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,280 conventions. So this is quite a a a change 56 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,320 and in fact, Alex, all mention of elections and representation 57 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,280 have been removed from the page as a whole. 58 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,200 And just as bad as that, MP's constituency work seems to be 59 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,880 considered as a second role to whatever they do in parliament 60 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,000 from now on. So what's your take on this? 61 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,680 Why have they made this change? Well, I think the first thing is 62 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,880 to to recognise this change has obviously been made very 63 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,440 deliberately. These things don't get done by 64 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,240 accident. And we've seen in the past, you 65 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,960 know, when definitions of things like pandemics and vaccines and 66 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,720 all other things change, then sort of bad things tend to 67 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,520 happen afterwards. They, they tend to be sort of 68 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,640 weaponized, those new definitions. 69 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,080 And my my guess is that, you know, as we get more into a sort 70 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,480 of dictatorial top down system of government, they're just 71 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,279 trying to re educate people into the idea that MPs don't actually 72 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,200 represent constituents and the public. 73 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,640 They're actually performing almost a technocratic function 74 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,440 of some description. I think it's it's seeding the 75 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,400 idea that we're moving to a less democratic system as my guess. 76 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,480 Well, I mean, I've argued for a long time that the role of MPs 77 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,240 has already changed in the sense that rather than representing 78 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,840 constituents views in Parliament, they tend to 79 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,240 represent policy views to constituents. 80 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,800 And, you know, often we see a massive disparity between the 81 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:55,040 comments made in the House of Commons by an MP and what may be 82 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,320 said by people on social media or whatnot. 83 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,840 There seems to be a disconnect in general. 84 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:03,320 But this is taking it even further by removing the idea of 85 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,000 of an electorate of elections from the definition. 86 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,000 That seems like a pretty dangerous precedent to be, or 87 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,760 certainly a dangerous direction to be heading in. 88 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,200 Yeah, I completely agree. And I mean, the reason I 89 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,600 stumbled into it was trying to explain how Parliament managed 90 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,800 to approve abortion to birth, which is something that, I mean, 91 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,760 every survey I've seen says 90 plus percent of the survey 92 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,800 respondents. Suppose I was trying to explain, 93 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,280 well, how is this even remotely possible? 94 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:37,360 And as you said, it's, it's happening more now that the 95 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,800 parliamentary vote is, I mean, it's totally at odds with the 96 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,920 views of the electorate and it's very dangerous. 97 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,040 And, you know, then to find in the meantime, as I was doing 98 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,640 that research, that actually their job description had also 99 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,880 been changed as very sinister. So I agree. 100 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,600 And it's, it's been like that. I think it's getting worse. 101 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,720 And it's been like that since politicians start setting their 102 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,200 global agendas somewhere outside the UK. 103 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,600 As soon as you get into these 20302050, you're already 104 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:13,400 suggesting that democracy in country is not that relevant 105 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,360 because the big plans are set elsewhere over multiple election 106 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,440 cycles. And in fact, we in the current 107 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,600 climate, of course, the war agenda as well, they are taking 108 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,720 no notice of whether there is any support for that policy 109 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,000 whatsoever. Yeah, there was quite a famous, 110 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,200 I I looked at it the there was a sort of non binding resolution 111 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,680 of Parliament to call for peace, which was also supported by the 112 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,440 overwhelming majority of people in surveys. 113 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,000 And as you said, Parliament voted against that non binding, 114 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,120 kind of meaningless to be honest resolution to call for peace and 115 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,040 Gaza a couple of years ago. And, and as you said, you see it 116 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,560 all the time in these decisions, The parliamentary action is 117 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,560 diametrically opposed to what people want, as expressed in 118 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:08,160 surveys and what have you. No, it's it's interesting that 119 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,000 we've asked the House of Commons media team for a statement about 120 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,080 this, but so far they've not responded. 121 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,640 That's perhaps not surprising. Of course, we'll update everyone 122 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,920 if they do, but are you shocked by the fact they haven't 123 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,200 provided a response to this issue yet? 124 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,760 No, not, not at all. And you know, as we suggested, 125 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,280 this is very deliberate. These things are quite serious 126 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,840 and they don't get done by accident. 127 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,600 So we're actually intending to write to the speaker, probably 128 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,880 with our usual sort of allies. Hopefully the Heritage Party and 129 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,240 others will join in with that, and we will ask them to, well, 130 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,160 we'll sort of more or less require them to replace that new 131 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,880 wording with the old wording. And we'll argue that the new 132 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,520 wording is completely inappropriate and needs to be 133 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,160 deleted. And we don't expect a lot of 134 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,320 traction with that. But we're just going to keep on 135 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,240 pushing that if we can. OK. 136 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,040 Well, thank you, Alex. I mean, you're going to be 137 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,920 joining us an extra letter, but in the meantime, you're talking 138 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,040 about way and so on. How do people follow your work? 139 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,000 Well, there's sub stack thinking coalition and the website is 140 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,400 thinking coalition.org and those are good places to start. 141 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:27,760 Twitter is at thinking slow one. Thanks for that. 142 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,240 Thank you for that, Alex. Now just before we move on, 143 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,840 Vanessa, maybe I could just ask you what your thoughts are on 144 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,400 this. Do you have any comment to make 145 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,919 on on the fact that apparently there's no open acknowledgement 146 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:42,960 that the electorate doesn't count? 147 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,960 Well, I mean, we've been heading into a stealth dictatorship for 148 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,000 some time, haven't we? And I think one of the earlier 149 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,920 signs for for both of us, Mike, was the sudden closure of the 150 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:02,240 access to government spending over 25,000, which we've talked 151 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,120 about multiple times. But everything else from COVID 152 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,520 to the wars that they're waging and enabling and facilitating 153 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,560 without any consent from the electorate in the UK. 154 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:17,600 But it's, you know, we are, we're, we're living under a 155 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,280 dictatorship while pointing the finger everywhere else in order 156 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,560 to facilitate war and militarism. 157 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:28,640 It's it's horrible. Thank you for that. 158 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:33,320 Now the UK government has debated A petition about 159 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:37,720 outlawing all forms of geoengineering, Which seems to 160 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,920 have brought out a false binary argument of a choice between net 161 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,040 zero or wet weather, sorry weather modification. 162 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,320 Now, Charles isn't with us today, but he has sent us this 163 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,840 report on on that debate and the implications. 164 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,520 Thanks Mike. Geoengineering brought back into 165 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:02,360 the public square by this recent petition on the subject of 166 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,720 geoengineering. Make all forms of geoengineering 167 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,320 affecting the environment illegal. 168 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:12,520 Signed by 160,000 people rather more than in fact, and therefore 169 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,280 to be debated in the House of Commons now in order to ensure 170 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,320 that all present would be on the same page. 171 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,720 The House of Commons Library produced a briefing document 172 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,080 about this in which they were keen to make the various points 173 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,680 that whilst there had been funding for modelling research 174 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:32,160 to understand the potential impacts of solar radiation 175 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,080 management deployment, which is effectively treating the sky 176 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,240 with chemicals in order to reflect the sun's rays. 177 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,240 Or at least say the theory goes that it wasn't actually going to 178 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,160 be happening. There is also a clause about 179 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,720 what they call chemtrails. They say the term chemtrails 180 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,840 refers to unsupported theories that the long lasting trails of 181 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,560 condensation sometimes left in the sky by aeroplanes, brackets, 182 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,560 contrails, closed brackets are produced by the deliberate 183 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:01,080 spraying of certain chemicals into the atmosphere. 184 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,960 So the debate itself took place on the 23rd of June and this was 185 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:11,040 led by Roz Savage who was keen to concentrate not so much on 186 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,680 what she described as being natural methods of 187 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:17,280 geoengineering such as planting Woodlands and encouraging growth 188 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,440 of peat bogs etcetera. But she also lumped in with that 189 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,280 carbon catcher, which is certainly not in any way 190 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,200 natural. But what she was keen to talk 191 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,040 about was the unintended consequences of technology such 192 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,800 as SRM. She said that humanity does not 193 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,480 have a good track record on on this. 194 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,800 Weather systems are immensely complex, interconnected and not 195 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,760 well understood. Altering sunlight could 196 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,800 potentially disrupt monsoons or shift jet streams, or trigger 197 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,120 droughts in some regions whilst causing floods in others. 198 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:46,440 Of course she's quite right to point this out. 199 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:50,440 And Angus MacDonald went on to make the point that mains gas at 200 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,280 the moment is 6 pence per kWh, whilst renewable energy is 201 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,440 selling at 24 pence per hour. So again, he was highlighting 202 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,760 the the point that frankly, this situation at the moment is 203 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,960 simply untenable on economic grounds. 204 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,160 Nick Timothy significantly asked about Aria, the Advanced 205 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,080 Research and Innovation Agency, and the fundamental point of his 206 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,560 question was to ask why would you fund something when you say 207 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:19,240 you're not going to do it? The response from the permanent 208 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,520 Under Secretary Climate, who is Kerry McCarthy, said that Aria 209 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,160 was conducting cautious, controlled research aimed at 210 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:31,480 improving the understanding of SRM risks and impacts, but it is 211 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,600 not deploying SRM technologies. I say again that it's research 212 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,280 will not release any toxic materials, nor will it alleviate 213 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,400 the urgent need for increased decarbonisation efforts. 214 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:46,040 There is no substitute for decarbonisation, which is why we 215 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,040 are pressing on with our missions for clean power and net 216 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,640 zero. Now the fundamental question 217 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,000 remains unanswered, which is why would you research something if 218 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,160 you're absolutely not intending to practise it? 219 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,880 But either way, the point that falls out of this debate is that 220 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,560 we are continually presented with a false binary and in 221 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:09,160 casting SRM as the demon. It is very obvious therefore 222 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,640 that pushing people towards the net zero agenda is the desired 223 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,400 outcome from this. And of course, what it does is 224 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,400 it removes the debate from that particular issue in that there's 225 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,640 no proper rigorous scientific examination of either the 226 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,960 necessity for it or indeed the consequences of it. 227 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,240 It's very hard to demonstrate in any meaningful sense that 228 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,840 removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere would make any 229 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,880 difference to climate that could actually be ascribed to that 230 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,800 change. Now this brings us on to the 231 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:43,320 action of 0 Hour, effectively a site for campaigning and 232 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:48,600 activism on this very subject. And notably they have backed the 233 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:51,280 Climate Nature Bill, which of course was put forward by Roz 234 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,760 Savage, and that was as a private member's bill. 235 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,080 It's been through the House for its first reading and comes in 236 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,160 for its second reading, having been deferred from January next 237 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:06,480 Friday, the 11th of July. Now the reason for pointing you 238 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,960 towards that is really to make the point that it's just simply 239 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,280 not a grassroots activity or campaign. 240 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,040 They have a banner across the bottom of their website, shown 241 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,640 here, saying they've raised nearly 46,000 lbs, but only from 242 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,560 720 donations, suggesting the people involved here have rather 243 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,320 deeper pockets than the average man on the street. 244 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,840 And I think that's the point very much worth making because 245 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,840 this is absolutely an elite agenda. 246 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,640 And the other thing that has crept in recently and cannot be 247 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,440 ignored anymore is the way in which human rights are now being 248 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,800 weaponized in order to secure a future for people. 249 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,080 That means that climate change is being addressed and 250 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,360 references to indigenous people. We see here on screen the news 251 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,120 story that the government to the United Kingdom has submitted a 252 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,280 statement on the promotion and protection of human rights in 253 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,560 the context of climate change to the UN Human Rights Council. 254 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,000 This course is backed up by a page on the United Nations 255 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,320 website talking about human rights being a strong lever for 256 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,720 progress in climate change. So in effect, this is beginning 257 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,840 to manipulate but also invert the very idea of human rights in 258 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,680 the way in which they might express themselves. 259 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,120 And this goes back some years. The BBC here talking about the 260 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,520 European Court on Human Rights being violated by climate 261 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,160 inaction. And this is the extraordinary 262 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,520 case reported on previously by UK column that went up from the 263 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,840 Swiss courts to the European Court of Human Rights in which 4 264 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,960 ladies who were all, I think over the age of 70, said the 265 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,200 Swiss authorities were not taking sufficient action to 266 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:41,720 mitigate the effects of climate change. 267 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,200 They wanted human rights to be used in such a way that the 268 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,640 government would have more rather than less interference in 269 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,400 their lives. Now a precedent has been set and 270 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,240 this is now reflected back on this side of the Channel by this 271 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,760 paper in the House of Commons Library saying that there is a 272 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,280 new precedent for in human rights law, which is a a 273 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,040 somewhat alarming progression to note. 274 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,920 But it's not all bad. And what I want to to close with 275 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:14,440 is an engagement at Leeds City Council on the 30th of June in 276 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:19,040 which we see here a still of Trudeau and Suzanne addressing 277 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,240 the council in a a calm and reasonable way and therefore 278 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,960 getting the best out of those that were there. 279 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,200 And there's not time to show the video in this clip now, but I 280 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,920 will have the link to it in the show notes. 281 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,200 And I really would encourage you to watch this council session 282 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,520 session because they set their case out very, very well and 283 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,800 they get the responses that they deserve in that there is a calm 284 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,040 and reasoned counter conversation. 285 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,360 And indeed one hopes that that after the meeting this will 286 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,040 actually lead somewhere sensible. 287 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,960 Now this was one of the replies of the one of the councillors 288 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,360 present. In terms of worldwide emissions, 289 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:05,560 Great Britain is 1%, Leeds is 1% of. 290 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:11,640 Great Britain. And if we go on, as Ed Miliband 291 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:17,440 wants us to go on, with solar farms, wind farms, with 292 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:22,359 electricity costs to industry the highest in the world, it 293 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:27,040 will bankrupt the country. That's my view. 294 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,520 We should. And if you remember this 295 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,400 government came to power saying that they were committed to 296 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,960 growth, well, you know, there's just no growth. 297 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:44,800 So I believe we should continue with oil and gas and forget it. 298 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:46,200 Thank you. No. 299 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:54,800 I I stopped the the clip there because you would have heard a 300 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,680 very brief smatter of applause at the end and of course he was 301 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,880 the only person that was applauded, presumably because he 302 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,160 has managed to trap himself in the real world. 303 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,720 Now the next clip is from another councillor and it's very 304 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,680 interesting to see how propaganda does actually affect 305 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,840 itself, particularly where hypotheticals and modelling are 306 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,240 affected. So just have a listen to this. 307 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,320 Because once the average global temperature goes above 1.5° C, 308 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,080 we get to what is known as a tipping point, which we can't 309 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,360 return. So the positive feedback loops 310 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,000 kick in. We already know that the ice 311 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,640 caps are melting. We already know that the perma, 312 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:38,400 the permafrost areas of the world are melting and releasing 313 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,280 more CO2 into the atmosphere. And when that happens, you get 314 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,120 into a positive feedback loop, which from which it will be very 315 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:49,440 difficult to recover from. That's why it's known as the 316 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:56,480 climate emergency. No, I have absolutely no doubt 317 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,440 that she fully believes what she says, but her idea of a positive 318 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,120 feedback loop is something that neither she nor anybody who 319 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:06,720 dabbles in this area of what might be called climate science 320 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,560 can ever substantiate. And this represents the 321 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,400 fundamental issue with the geoengineering debate, which 322 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,400 absolutely will be 1. Not not just that we follow, but 323 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,920 also that I would encourage you to get involved in because you 324 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,000 can see from that meeting there that there there absolutely can 325 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:27,680 be positive outcomes. Well, let's discuss a little bit 326 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,080 more about the positive outcomes, particularly from that 327 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,280 Leeds event. And welcome, Sandy to the 328 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,680 programme. You have some more on this. 329 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,080 Hi Mike. Yeah, thank you very much. 330 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:43,440 Yeah, I mean as as as we saw from from Charles's presentation 331 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,200 net 0 isn't working and Britain's are increasingly 332 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,200 turning against net 0 as a bombshell poll reveals they're 333 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,520 now they now fear the impact will leave will will actually 334 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,320 impact on the cost of living. The survey from the Merlin 335 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,280 Strategy reveals that public mood has shifted sharply on net 336 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,280 zero and asked whether Ed Miliband's Maddie. 337 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,920 Her policies have helped or hurt their living standards. 338 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,720 More voters more more voters are now agreeing, and they say they 339 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,680 have. 38% have said that net zero has, have had a negative 340 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,280 impact on their standard of living. 341 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,560 So we're seeing this big backlash now and, and it's 342 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,760 really heartening to see that happening in our, in our town 343 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,120 councils. You know, the survey really 344 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:31,200 suggests that people are looking now at nuclear energy. 345 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:35,520 And Charles's clip from the Leeds meeting from Neil Buckley 346 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,040 particularly endorses this fact that people are losing, they're 347 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,520 losing the whole, the whole narrative pro net 0. 348 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,920 They're they're really winding it back now. 349 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:50,600 I do have a clip from that same meeting with Suzanne Henderson 350 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:57,240 and Trudy from ukcitizen.org. I can't stress how important UK 351 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,000 citizens work is. They have downloadable legal 352 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,160 packs on their website to help you challenge your local council 353 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,240 and then it's amazing. It's put together by Jane Lord 354 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,000 who's a lawyer who is part of UK citizen.org. 355 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,440 Amazing team they are. Do please look at ukcitizen.org 356 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,560 and challenge your council because you're not alone. 357 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,760 People are doing it now. Now Trudy mentions the gunning 358 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,920 principles in that same video and how they were not adhered to 359 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,920 in consultations for massive solar farms occupying precious 360 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,680 farmland. And she also mentions that in 361 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,480 Pembrokeshire Council, they've recently moved their climate 362 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,400 emergency to review as they're no, they, they're no longer 363 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,000 confident that it was the right decision to make, which is 364 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,160 really encouraging. So it was really good to see so 365 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,000 many councillors agreeing with her on that, on that, on that 366 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,840 clip. Anyway, we couldn't show it all. 367 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,760 But as Charles said, it's in the show notes. 368 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,000 So let's just look at Suzanne Henderson speaking at Leeds 369 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,480 about predictions that didn't happen. 370 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,320 Thank you. Let's also reflect on a few 371 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,360 predictions that all that never came to pass to pass. 372 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,280 In 1970, scientists warned of a new Ice Age by the 21st century. 373 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,400 In 1988, NASA's James Hansen predicted parts of Manhattan 374 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:23,840 would be underwater by 2008. A 2001 IPCC report suggests that 375 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,720 snow would become rare in the UK by 2020. 376 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,640 In 2008, scientists forecasted an ice free Arctic by 2013. 377 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:36,360 We've heard some terms evolve too, from global cooling in the 378 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:40,600 70s to global warming and finally climate change when 379 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,520 warming failed to match the projections. 380 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,120 Right now, net zero is losing credibility, not in the just in 381 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:50,840 the UK, but around the world. Germany has shut down wind farms 382 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,400 over cost and inefficiency and Audi is shifting back to diesel. 383 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,920 Public confidence is waning as shown by the growing support for 384 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,000 reform. So we ask, will you continue to 385 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,760 support and allow these large scale projects to go ahead 386 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,000 without challenge, even when they may not serve the public 387 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:14,640 interest? So yeah, that was Suzanne 388 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,960 Henderson from ukcitizen.org. And yeah, do go on their website 389 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,720 challenge your council. Thank you. 390 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,280 Thank you, Sandy. Thank you for that very much. 391 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,240 Now let's move on to international news. 392 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,760 And while things remain quiet with respect to Iran, at least 393 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,600 in the meantime, Israel continues the operation in Gaza. 394 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:39,800 What's the latest Vanessa? Well, an uptick in the genocide 395 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,040 against Palestinians in Gaza. The first video just shows a 396 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,760 very recent in the last 48 hours of bombing of the AL Baka Koff 397 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,360 Cafe on the coastal zone of Gaza. 398 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,120 So let's just have a quick look at the video. 399 00:24:49,940 --> 00:24:55,740 So this cafe was jam packed full of journalists and and just 400 00:24:55,740 --> 00:25:00,180 people trying to find some kind of respite from the hourly or 401 00:25:00,180 --> 00:25:02,700 minute by minute slaughter that is ongoing. 402 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:08,760 One particular journalist by an Abu Sultan was among the dozens 403 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,680 injured. We can just see the picture of 404 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,200 her up on screen. This was her yesterday. 25 405 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,760 people at least were killed and many others, of course, were 406 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,640 injured. And this is indicative of what 407 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,280 Israel is doing and it's targeting particularly of 408 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,280 journalists, but not only journalists. 409 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,160 So in the last in 24 hours, this has been reported on X this 410 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:38,440 morning, 105 Palestinians killed in the last 24 hours alone. 411 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,200 Palestinian artist Frank Amina al Salmi was murdered by the 412 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,320 Zionist airstrike on Al Baka Kafi in Gaza City on the 1st of 413 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,120 July. She drew a portrait of herself a 414 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:53,680 few weeks before she was killed. So let's just have a look at the 415 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,240 portrait that she drew of herself. 416 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,560 This was her last painting and on the right is her last moment. 417 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,960 And I have to say that when I was in Gaza in 2012 during the 418 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,240 Israeli aggression, I, I personally worked with a team 419 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,800 that were gathering testimonies from families who particularly 420 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,520 lost children in the Zionist aggression. 421 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,560 Every single family told me that the child had some kind of 422 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,280 premonition of their death on the day that they were killed, 423 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,520 in addition to the starvation, the blockade, the everyday 424 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,040 slaughter. Now we discover, according to 425 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,920 many reports in local media, drugs have been found hidden in 426 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,680 flower bags distributed by the US backed aid group. 427 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,560 That, of course, was created by Israel in order to control the 428 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,000 supply of food and aid to the people, or in other words, to to 429 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,520 use it as a lethal weapon and use it as a lure to bring people 430 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,360 in to be killed. In a statement, Gaza's 431 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,520 government media office said that prescription painkiller 432 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,120 oxycodone, which is an opioid, was found by Palestinians inside 433 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,880 the flour bags they received from the US run aid distribution 434 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,920 points in Gaza. So of course, what is this going 435 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,360 to do? In addition to everything else, 436 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:17,440 this is going to increase opioid dependency and also sedate 437 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,360 anyone, of course, that that is unfortunate enough to to eat or 438 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:25,920 use that particular flour. And just one image, which was in 439 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,600 the same article, which I think epitomises what is happening in 440 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,360 Gaza, the destruction in the background and people desperate 441 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:37,640 for a single bag of flour to to feed themselves. 442 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,400 There are constant images across all social media platforms of 443 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:48,600 children and and young people dying literally from starvation. 444 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,840 And then finally, this was a report that I think originally 445 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,920 came out in Hertz or in Hebrew media. 446 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,760 Killing fields, the Israeli soldiers ordered to shoot 447 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:04,200 unarmed Palestinians at the aid sites, the GHF sites. 448 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,200 So what does it actually say? This is testimony from one of 449 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,480 the soldiers who describes it as a killing field where I was 450 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,560 stationed. Between one and five people were 451 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,440 killed every day. They're treated like a hostile 452 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,600 force. No crowd control measures, no 453 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,120 tear gas, just live fire with everything imaginable, heavy 454 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,240 machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars. 455 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,560 Then once the centre opens, the shooting stops and they know 456 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,280 they can approach. Our form of communication is 457 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,040 gunfire, so basically what they say they're doing is in the 458 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,600 morning they're shooting to prevent a build up of crowds and 459 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,960 in the evening to disperse the people from the aid centres and 460 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,920 of course they're slaughtering Palestinians in the process. 461 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,240 Vanessa, thank you for that grim report. 462 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,160 Once again, it is tragic, but we are going to talk much more 463 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,240 about this in Extra as well. So anyway, in the meantime, we 464 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,400 if you like what the UK column does, you would like to support 465 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,760 us, please have a look at the front page of the UK column 466 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,440 website. There is a link there to do that 467 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,720 now. Yesterday's interview with Will 468 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,600 Keate is now up. This is Ben speaking to Will 469 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,000 Keate on constitutional issues is now up on the UK column 470 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,360 website. It's entitled to the natural 471 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,840 order to have a look at that if you possibly can. 472 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,840 Ivor Cummins is the guest on German Warfare tonight at 7:00 473 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,120 PM. You won't win if you're 474 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,400 unhealthy. He's absolutely right about 475 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,760 that. So please join us at 7 for that. 476 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,200 Another reminder of a date for your diary, which is the 18th of 477 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,880 October 2025. And the theme is going to be 478 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,000 Health for UK column on location in New York to join us if you 479 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,720 can. Details coming very, very soon 480 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,760 with some pretty exciting speakers. 481 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,080 Sandy, let's just mention that yet again, another event that 482 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,800 you're involved with has been cancelled. 483 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,520 Yes, it has indeed. The The witch hunt continues in 484 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,720 in Glastonbury and surrounding areas where Clive de Carl, 485 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,720 Richard Robes and myself have been cancelled yet again. 486 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,760 This is the fourth time now and we'd even chosen A venue outside 487 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,120 of town. But somehow the, the, the 488 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,120 community Solidarity Stroud and community Solidarity Glastonbury 489 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,600 have got to them. We are dangerous people and we 490 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,200 are right wing and we're dreadful and we cannot be 491 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,320 allowed to speak. So free speech is gone in my 492 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,040 location I'm afraid. So we are battling this 493 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,120 obviously. But it's, it's just, you know, 494 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,560 it's a sign of the times at the moment, how censored we are 495 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,520 becoming and how we are living as, you know, as Alex mentioned 496 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,600 earlier. Yeah, we're living in a sort of 497 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,640 politburo now where we're not allowed to have free speech. 498 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,200 And it's pretty awful, yeah. OK, well let's see if this one 499 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,680 does go ahead because there's a distant meet up taking place on 500 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,040 Sunday the 20th of July. It's a full day event and seven 501 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,400 speakers including yourself and Andrew Bridgen. 502 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,920 Indeed, I'll be speaking about devolution among other things. 503 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,880 And, and yes, it should be a really good event. 504 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,760 It's a beautiful place, Goffin Land. 505 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,840 It's this lovely in nature, big barn and field and the weather 506 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,160 should be good and we're hoping for a big audience there. 507 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,560 And we are not censored in Gough Inland, it's privately owned. 508 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,400 Fantastic. Thank you. 509 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,480 And finally another event coming up. 510 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,600 The glitch in this is part of the Matrix Tour of Stratford 511 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,560 upon Avon Saturday the June the 28th and this is related to 512 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,280 yellow boards activity. So four teams of yellow boards 513 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,760 coming together for a day of community outreach. 514 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,920 Details will be in the show notes and the graphic is on the 515 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,840 screen at the moment. OK, let's come back to Palestine 516 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,160 related issues. And as expected or at least as 517 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,080 forecast, the Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has laid a draught 518 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,480 prescription order in parliament which will prescribe the group 519 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,600 Palestine Action. So she has also included two 520 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,600 other organisations in this order. 521 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,160 And by doing so she has acquitted Palestine Action with 522 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,680 the Maniacs murder cult and the Russian Imperial Movement, which 523 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,640 are both paramilitary or at least have parliament military 524 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,480 links. Now this will make it a criminal 525 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,480 offence to be one of these groups or to invite a or 526 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,160 recklessly express support for them as they put it. 527 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,000 And I would like to them to define recklessly, which of 528 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,920 course they don't do. Parliament is now going to 529 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,000 consider and debate the draught order. 530 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,080 And if passed, the order will make it an offence punishable by 531 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,000 up to 14 years in prison to belong to or to support the 532 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,720 groups. Because let's never forget, the 533 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,240 first duty of government is to keep everyone safe. 534 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,400 And for the avoidance of doubt, that last sentence was dripping 535 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,680 with sarcasm. The keep everyone safe trope. 536 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,040 It's a storytelling convention which they have made up to 537 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,360 justify the dictatorship they've created. 538 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,920 So we're back on that theme again. 539 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,760 And now the Home Office says that quotes prescription is 540 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,960 ideologically neutral. By deciding to prescribe these 541 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,280 three organisations, the government is demonstrating it's 542 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,040 0 tolerance approach to terrorism regardless of its form 543 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,760 of underlying ideology. And you know this is a pretty 544 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,040 extreme step by effectively taking people who were 545 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,040 protesting in a particular way and calling them terrorists now. 546 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,440 Palestine Action's response said quotes bundling Palestine 547 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,960 Action, a domestic civil disobedience protest group, and 548 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,760 with foreign neo Nazi organisations further highlights 549 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,040 how unjustified and preposterous the Home Secretary's proposed 550 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,880 prescription of Palestine Action is. 551 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,840 These foreign organisations are the kinds of groups they say 552 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,320 that prescription was designed to target, not protesters who 553 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,680 disrupt arms factories and spray paint on warplanes to protest 554 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,800 war crimes and genocide. Now, isn't it interesting that 555 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,400 the Home Office took no similar actions with respect to Just 556 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,080 Stop Stop Oil, which employed largely similar protest tactics? 557 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,760 Could it be that the activities of that group suited the 558 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,239 government agenda at the time? Vanessa, I'd be very interested 559 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,760 in your thoughts on this because this seems to be once again 560 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,840 evidence of dictatorship and certainly massive overreach. 561 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,159 Yeah, I was interested to see in the government statement text 562 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,960 that they talk about violence and serious criminal damage. 563 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,840 While of course the British government is enabling violence 564 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,320 and and serious criminal damage to Gaza and to the occupied 565 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,520 territories of Palestine. Not to mention Syria and the 566 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,199 rest of the region where the UK has through its militarism and 567 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,520 proxy forces, destroyed much of the region. 568 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,040 And then the fact that Palestine action, which is protesting 569 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:05,120 genocide that is enabled by the British government is conflated 570 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,640 with neo Nazi groups or white supremacist groups, which is the 571 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,960 Russian monarchist group, while again, the UK is supporting neo 572 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,440 Nazis in Ukraine. So it's as you said, Mike, it's 573 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,080 dripping with hypocrisy and and I mean, it's just becoming 574 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,840 insane. We're becoming little Israel 575 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,120 rather than Little Britain, as far as I can work out. 576 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,080 Yeah, well, that's a reasonable point to make. 577 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,800 Alex, I'm going to hijack you here because I realise I haven't 578 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,440 primed you for this question, but I just wonder if you've got 579 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:42,800 any thoughts on this. Yeah, I mean, militarism is is 580 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,680 bad news. And as I said in that, in that 581 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,160 sort of non, non committal vote on peace, that's what people 582 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,120 wanted here right at the beginning of the Gaza conflict. 583 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,320 And Parliament just voted that proposal down. 584 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,560 It's it's the same thing. They just keep pushing these 585 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,240 forever wars. And we know they Johnson 586 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:08,160 scuppered the Istanbul talks in April 2022. 587 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,480 I don't I don't believe anybody in the UK essentially would 588 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,040 support that move. You know, the protagonists have 589 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,920 agreed a peace out, outline peace agreement and it's the UK, 590 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,600 the Prime Minister that goes in and destroys it. 591 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,960 I don't believe there's any support for that kind of 592 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,960 activity. But that's what the government 593 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,640 does. They are. 594 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,800 They are warmongers. Thank you, Alex. 595 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,040 OK, Vanessa, let's come back to you then. 596 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,320 We've talked about Gaza, but you've been hinting for, in 597 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,880 fact, going much further than hinting for quite some time now, 598 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,720 the likelihood of serious trouble in Lebanon. 599 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,720 What's the, you know, related to the Syria situation? 600 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:49,120 What's the latest on that? Yeah. 601 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,880 So first of all, let's just play this video and I'll talk over 602 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,840 it. So these are attack theory 603 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,080 elements controlled by Geelani or Ahmad Al Shalaar as he's now 604 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,400 known as the unelected president of Syria, backed by the UK and 605 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,000 US coalition and of course by Israel. 606 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:12,240 These are basically gathering to to to take up position on the 607 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,560 border with Lebanon. If we have a very quick look at 608 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,080 the map of Lebanon, I've pointed out there the Red Arrows down to 609 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,280 the east of the Lebanese border with Syria as effectively. 610 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,840 The two top arrows are where these takfiri elements, most of 611 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,760 them the foreign fighters. So the Uyghurs and the Chechens 612 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,280 and the Afghans and so on that have been sent to these borders 613 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,320 in the northeast and the east of Lebanon. 614 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,120 And then in the southeast, of course, we have the Israeli 615 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,840 incumbent on Mount Hermon, which is effectively on Syrian 616 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,080 territory, but as you can see, overlooks as far as Beirut on a 617 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,160 good day. And then to the far South of 618 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:56,560 Lebanon and up to Sider and to Beirut, you have the threat of 619 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,160 further Israeli incursions and an increase or an 620 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,680 intensification in the Israeli bombing. 621 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,560 And then in fact, just yesterday, if we play this 622 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,840 video, this demonstrates that there are Takfiri cells 623 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,440 gathering in Lebanon. There was 1 captured in the 624 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,320 north of Lebanon a few days ago, and this is in Dahe, in the 625 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,600 southern suburb of Beirut, where the local people actually 626 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,920 detected an ISIS cell of terrorists who were gathering 627 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,480 with weapons and materials to conduct suicide bombings or IED 628 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,440 bombings in the southern suburb. And of course, this is during 629 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:44,320 the month of Muharram, which is one of the most holy months for 630 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,840 Shia and Muslim in particular. And coming up to the night of 631 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,400 Ashura, which is the night that Imam Hussain was martyred at 632 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,520 Karbala. And that's on Saturday. 633 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,400 So obviously, we're bracing for the potential of attacks here in 634 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,960 Lebanon. And then we have this is Tom 635 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,680 Barrack, basically Trump's envoy to Syria, who's also been 636 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,680 parachuting into Lebanon. Barrack's proposal marks 2 637 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,080 pivotal weeks for the Lebanese state. 638 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,360 So what does this actually mean? Of course, he's also been 639 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,440 shoring up for Jolani presidency in Syria. 640 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,480 This is from Lebanese journalist Madwa Osman, who many people 641 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,080 will probably know. And what does she actually say? 642 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,960 So what is the US demanding from Lebanon? 643 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,240 So disarmament, full disarmament of Hezbollah within the next two 644 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,520 weeks, which of course is not going to be accepted. 645 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,200 And that goes beyond UN Resolution 17 O1, which was a 646 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,040 withdrawal from South of the Litani River to the north of the 647 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,200 Litani River. But now Barack is basically 648 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,960 saying no full disarmament normalisation with Israel, with 649 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:56,360 Syria and Lebanon, handing of Lebanon over to Jolani, which 650 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,000 explains the build up of the troops on the border. 651 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,320 And the cost of rejecting the deal is far less than accepting 652 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,280 it. So that's the gauntlet laid down 653 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,720 there by Madua Osman. And of course, what they're also 654 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,600 attacking is the Hezbollah banking system, because many 655 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,240 people don't how it's portrayed in the West is that Hezbollah is 656 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:20,720 raising money to fund its. Terrorist activities or in our 657 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:25,520 view their resistance activities against Zionist invasion and 658 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,480 occupation of regional land. And in reality what people do 659 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,160 and it it's not only the Shia Muslims in Lebanon, they take 660 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,160 their gold to the Hezbollah banks. 661 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,640 The gold is kept and a loan is given without any interest 662 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,440 payments at all. And when the loan is paid back, 663 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,400 they can come and get their gold back. 664 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,760 So this is a no interest banking policy which they're looking to 665 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,080 shut down in favour of, of course organisations like the 666 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,920 IMF and the World Bank and American backed financial 667 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,120 institutions. And then of course, on the back 668 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,960 of this we have Trump signs an executive order lifting the 669 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,920 majority of sanctions on Syria. And then this is the Zionist 670 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,560 author Barack. I think behind the scenes Israel 671 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,320 is communicating with Syria through at least four different 672 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,760 channels including Netanyahu's National Security Advisor, 673 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,360 Mossad Director, Foreign Minister Gideon Tsar for 674 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,720 political strategic dialogue and the Israel Defence Forces for 675 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,040 day to day military coordination. 676 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,800 So this is quite extraordinary. Syria appears to be heading 677 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,760 towards being effectively a satellite state of Israel. 678 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:50,760 And then finally, we also have operations ongoing in Iraq. 3 679 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,520 suspected ISIS members were killed in a Kirkuk operation in 680 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,160 Iraq in the last again last 48 hours. 681 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,640 So ISIS has clearly been deployed and triggered in Iraq 682 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,400 to attack the resistance factions there. 683 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,880 And if we have a look at the kind of map of the region, you 684 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,800 can see the the filled in red circle is where the attacks by 685 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,800 ISIS against Iraqi resistance factions took place near Kirkuk, 686 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,480 again very close to the Iranian border. 687 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,760 Syria, in the view of the Zionist alliance, has been taken 688 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,960 out of action. That remains to be seen. 689 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:32,600 Of course, there are still resistance factions acting 690 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:38,320 inside Syria and the Syrian Army soldiers that left into Iraq and 691 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,040 Lebanon when Damascus fell in December last year. 692 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,240 But you can see there that basically what Trump and 693 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:51,200 Netanyahu are now doing, the ceasefire has allowed them to 694 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,560 pivot back to try and weaken the two strongest resistance zones, 695 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,520 which is Lebanon and Iraq, prior to then probably restarting the 696 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,040 war against Iran. And I mentioned last week that 697 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,920 we've started a blog or a section of the blog at UK Column 698 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,480 News called Syria Centric, a regional analysis. 699 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,880 And this week I'll be looking at the Iranian backed Ring of Fire 700 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,880 and all of the resistance factions that would be activated 701 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,840 should there be a restart of aggression by Israel and the US 702 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,120 alliance against Iran. And that should be published and 703 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,200 up at the website tomorrow. Thank you for that. 704 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,600 I mean, just very, very briefly, briefly, what are your 705 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,800 expectations on that last point? When do you think it's likely 706 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,680 that aggression will start against Iran once again? 707 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,480 Very difficult to tell. There's potential for false flag 708 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,360 on American soil, but I think for now they're going to focus, 709 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,920 as I said, on weakening and destroying the resistance in 710 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,480 Lebanon and Iraq initially. OK, thank you for that. 711 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,160 Now let's come back to the UK then. 712 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,680 And Sandy, there's been a debate in Parliament with respect to 713 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,960 IVF and egg donation by young women in the UK. 714 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,480 What? What exactly are they doing 715 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,400 here? Well, I mean, I, you know, I 716 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,360 find it quite concerning really because on Thursday the 26th of 717 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,240 June 2025, Members of Parliament debated the issue of egg 718 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,720 donation by very young women and adverts targeting women for 719 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,040 their eggs in a debate in Westminster Hall. 720 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,960 Now the debate was led by DUP Health spokesman Jim Shannon MP 721 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,880 and highlighted the increased numbers of women aged 18 to 25 722 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,120 coming forward to donate their eggs. 723 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:53,480 The fact that adverts frequently offer the 985 payment to women 724 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,680 for their eggs upfront. The adverts don't list they, 725 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,840 they don't list the health risks basically in these adverts now. 726 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,520 In October of last year, the Human Fertiliser and Embryology 727 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,280 authority, the HFEA, raised the cap on payments to women for 728 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:16,680 their eggs, raising the raising it from 750 pounds to 985 lbs 729 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,520 per cycle. And since then adverts for egg 730 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,400 donors have increasingly targeted younger women. 731 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,800 This demand has caused a knock on effect within the industry 732 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,760 with pressure on IVF clinics which are going to to what some 733 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,280 could consider extreme lengths to recruit new donors because 734 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,560 because of the demand for for for eggs by childless couples. 735 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,840 In 2020, the London Egg Bank, which boasts of having the 736 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,920 largest UK donor base, was criticised for targeting 737 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,480 students at a welcome event at King's College London. 738 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,160 It's clinic also attended A freshers fair run by the 739 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,400 University of Kent Canterbury Christchurch Students Union in 740 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,800 2019. The concern is that young women 741 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:07,040 students struggling financially at university or you know, in 742 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,240 general life could be incentivised to donate eggs. 743 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,880 And more recently it's begun promoting it's freeze and share 744 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,320 scheme on social media. This offers younger women free 745 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,480 egg extraction and two years of free storage in exchange for 746 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,520 giving up half of their collected eggs. 747 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,600 Now this is yet another example of targeting a different 748 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,080 demographic. This is single women who've 749 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,560 delayed having children due to poverty and career pressures or 750 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,840 simply not finding the right partner who go for the freeze 751 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,160 and share option because they fear their fertility is is 752 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,840 running out. And you know this would save a 753 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,760 woman thousands of pounds. The average cost of collecting 754 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,760 and then freezing at woman's eggs is 3350 lbs. 755 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:58,320 The fertility in industry is now worth 5, 553.5 million in the UK 756 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:03,000 and is growing faster than the general economy in in 2021, the 757 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:08,680 London Egg Bank alone registered a profit of 784,000 and 600 and 758 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,160 I think it's yeah, just so nearly 700,000. 759 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,640 So once harvested and frozen, the packages of 6 or 10 eggs can 760 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,840 be bought from fertility clinics by childless couples, with 761 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,920 prices starting at 5750, raising huge concerns that private 762 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,080 clinics are profiteering from the on the back of women's body 763 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,800 parts. And I, I have to agree with 764 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,040 this. The the HFEA says payments to 765 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,200 women are compensation to reimburse women for their time 766 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,200 and expenses and that the donations remain altruistic. 767 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,680 But the view of many women's rights campaigners and we've got 768 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,480 here, the Women's Rights Network are campaigning for this to be 769 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,160 stopped. And you know that women as young 770 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,640 as 18 have become multiple egg donors and can donate up to 10 771 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,120 cycles. So, you know, and, and young, 772 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,520 young women are being contacted on Instagram by couples who want 773 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,880 their eggs. I mean, it's an absolute racket. 774 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:12,640 So what we're finding is that, you know, it's not a painless, 775 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,040 uncomplicated procedure, you know, like sperm donation, it's 776 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,160 got huge risks and dangers and the woman has to be injected 777 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:27,320 with her hormones and before and after harvesting and this can 778 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,520 result in ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome which 779 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,040 can be very dangerous and in some cases may cause ovarian 780 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,120 cancer. The Department for Health and 781 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,120 Social Care have not undertaken any studies into the long term 782 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:44,120 risks of their harvesting. Now I've got a quote here from 783 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,760 from a lady from De Montford University and she says to. 784 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,400 To fulfil the demand, increasing numbers of young, healthy women 785 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,040 pass through technologicize and geneticized modes of selection 786 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,400 where their eggs are retrieved and offered to patients with 787 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,600 almost unfettered promises of success at eye wateringly high 788 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,800 prices. And there's another one from the 789 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,320 Doctor Thanos Papa fans. Oh, I can't pronounce it anyway. 790 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,760 Something Greek. He's the chief executive 791 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,080 executive of a fertility clinic and he said increasing the 792 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:23,960 compensation for egg donors in the UK to 986 lbs is justified 793 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,520 as it better reflects the time, effort and medical risks 794 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,920 involved in the donation and helps address the current donor 795 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,160 shortage. Now, you know, this is I, you 796 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,520 know, I can't help feeling that they're playing God here. 797 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,840 And we have to think about the human element of this. 798 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:45,600 In 2005, it was, it was made law that these these potential 799 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,080 children, when they're 18 can come and find their biological 800 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,520 mothers. So there could be a risk that 801 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,160 some of these mothers who donate eggs very young may not even 802 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,080 have the chance of having their own children. 803 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,600 And then 18 years on, multiple children could turn up on the 804 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,480 doorstep saying hello, mummy. And you know, it, it, it is a 805 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,480 potential nightmare. And I really feel that if you, 806 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,360 if you can look at I've put the put the link to the debate in 807 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,600 the show notes, do write to your MP. 808 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,960 This is, this is human body part harvesting in my view. 809 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,240 And I think something has to be done about it. 810 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,600 And I'm really pleased that Shannon has taken this to, to 811 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,680 Parliament. Thank you. 812 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,160 Thank you, Sandy. Thank you for that. 813 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,840 Now staying staying in the UK, steel production is back in the 814 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,640 headlines. Here's Charles again with the 815 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,200 details. Thanks Mike. 816 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:46,800 Steel returns to the headlines a few months after There was an 817 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,360 enormous amount of panic about measures to keep the plant at 818 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,520 Scunthorpe going belonging to British Steel, and we're now 819 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,200 told that the UK has introduced new trade measures to support 820 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,920 the steel sector. Now this government document 821 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,320 saying they are aiming to better protect domestic industry from 822 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,520 unforeseen surges in foreign imports as part of the plan for 823 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,960 change. Now that reads rather like it's 824 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,520 something aimed at China, perhaps at the behest of Donald 825 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,600 Trump. They also talk about delivering 826 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,920 on the government's commitment to rebuild Britain's industrial 827 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,240 strength. Now this is really the fallout 828 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:33,080 from a document published just last week, which is the new 829 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,400 trade strategy from the UK. And really the the most 830 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,960 significant parts of it, if any of it is to be taken at face 831 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,160 value is, is really to look where it's come from and what 832 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,320 its aims are. And of course, in fact, when you 833 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,160 read that the Prime Minister and the Chancellor are committed to 834 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,920 growing the economy and decarbonising our businesses and 835 00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,560 infrastructure, the entire aim looks completely untenable 836 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,840 because of course, those two things would appear to be in 837 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,960 conflict with one another. Now pulling strings behind the 838 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,000 scenes here is Poppy Gustafson, Baroness Gustafson as she now is 839 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,600 the Minister of State for Investment. 840 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,200 And the reason that she's worth mentioning is that she was 841 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,080 parachuted into the House of Lords for this particular role 842 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,200 coming from the cybersecurity company Dark Trace. 843 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,080 And of course, Dark Trace was in the headlines last year for the 844 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,800 bizarre coincidence of the deaths of its founders, Mike 845 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,320 Lynch and Stephen Chamberlain, within hours of each other. 846 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,400 In very strange circumstances, one might say, but also because 847 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:46,760 of Gustafson's links to GCHQ, among others, and indeed her 848 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,040 critical place in pushing AI for the government. 849 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,880 And I think noteworthy at this point to mention that Dark 850 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:59,200 Traces motto, let's say on their website is Cybersecurity That 851 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,800 Learns You. Now what that has to do exactly 852 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,200 with British Steel at the moment perhaps is is less than clear, 853 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,400 but the emergency legislation has quite clearly changed the 854 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,400 direction of British Steel. We're looking at their website 855 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,320 now and they have a news item from the 19th of June saying 856 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,840 there's been a £22 million project to enhance UK 857 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,560 infrastructure and national security supported by British 858 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,480 Steel. So of course, they're now saying 859 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,880 on their website that their primary goal is to deliver 860 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,040 strategic environmental and economic resilience for key 861 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,680 strategic areas of the UK manufacturing economy, including 862 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,240 defence, transport and energy. Now this is under the banner of 863 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:44,200 something called Ignite, which stands for Indigenous Green 864 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,880 Steel for Net 0 Innovation, Technology and Enterprise. 865 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:53,560 Now this is a, a big change of direction for British Steel and 866 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,360 it does absolutely reinforce the point. 867 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,880 The government have very much changed the way in which this 868 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,320 industry is going to be able to operate. 869 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,320 And this is in collaboration with Swansea University 870 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,920 exploring how cutting edge university research can 871 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,920 accelerate industrial decarbonisation. 872 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,920 This word again, which really doesn't seem to fit with 873 00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,000 manufacturing as we think we know it. 874 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,320 Now this is only really a brief look at what has been going on. 875 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,480 There's a, there's a lot more detail to go into, particularly 876 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,200 concerning the situation with trade relations in the United 877 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,920 States and the history going back to the, the recent tariff 878 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,480 situations, the, the, the sort of tariff wars instigated by 879 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,520 Trump. Now for more of an update on 880 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,840 this, please go to the UK column website and look out and ask. 881 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,920 And I wrote entitled The Steel Trap, which will give you 882 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,320 further detail on this. And of course, this does form a 883 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,800 very key part of where we are set against the Strategic 884 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,520 Defence Review and indeed the National Security Strategy, 885 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,880 because the effort here is to link everything together in 886 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,320 order to coordinate the population and effectively give 887 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,160 the government carte blanche to do things under the banner of 888 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:07,840 national security. Well, thank you very much to 889 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,440 Charles for that and we're going to end the programme today. 890 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:15,160 Back to Sandy and, well, what's James Dyson been up to? 891 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,160 Well, I wish he'd stick to Hoovers. 892 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,080 I mean, I once had one of his Hoovers and it was the most 893 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,240 overly engineered piece of equipment I've ever had. 894 00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,840 And I feel the same way about what he's doing in the UK right 895 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,720 now. He's just launched his new 896 00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:32,240 Future of Food vertical growing system in Carrington in 897 00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:37,000 Leicestershire this week. It's a 26 acre glass structure, 898 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,800 a Ferris wheel that's 5.5 metres high, sort of like a big 899 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:47,800 rotating rig with optimised LED light exposure, with robotic UV, 900 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,040 pest control, climate automation, all singing, all 901 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,680 dancing. Technocratic nightmare, I call 902 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,600 it. The point is that this is a 903 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,520 technocratic takeover of our farming, you know, into 904 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,000 corporate hands. So I've got a video here of of 905 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,320 of what he's what he's he's the way he sees the future of 906 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,560 farming. So if we can have that. 907 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,040 We need to produce food in England. 908 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,360 We asked a group of engineers at Dyson what they could do. 909 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,560 One of the things we came up with was a vertical growing 910 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,520 system. I think this is the biggest rig, 911 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,760 24 metres long, 5 1/2 metres tall, each wheels 500 912 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,760 kilogrammes. It's like having a child. 913 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,280 Every single boat I've got a relationship with we import all 914 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,160 our strawberries in England except in the height of the 915 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,120 summer season. So what I've done is to build 2 916 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,880 huge greenhouses and from that we can produce the tastiest 917 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,120 strawberries you can imagine. All the year round. 918 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,880 Different growing system to get much much higher density fruit 919 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,160 in a covered environment. This is stacking strawberries up 920 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,400 across these multiple levels. The challenge you then get is 921 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,240 light levels and shadowing and making sure that the leaf in the 922 00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:59,520 leaf canopy gets enough sunlight to really develop, to make sure 923 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,200 every plant gets the maximum natural energy from the sun so 924 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,240 we can use as little energy as possible, supplementing that 925 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:08,320 with the LED lights. How can we make it more 926 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,600 efficient? What technology can we bring in 927 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,080 that will improve the quality, the taste of the food, use the 928 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,040 land better so that we can invest further and make a 929 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,360 difference to farming? Got a very high accuracy CO2 930 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,680 sensor as if humidity and temperature and then on the top 931 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,960 there this is the apogee PAR sensor. 932 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,800 So that detects only the wavelengths that the strawberry 933 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,560 plant is interested in, and then we know how much we need to top 934 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:36,040 up with our artificial light. We get a 2 1/2 times uplift in 935 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,920 the output of the greenhouses. This vertical growing system 936 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,080 will allow farmers to produce the very best food in England 937 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,040 and make Britain more secure in its own food production. 938 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,280 We've got wonderful land. And we should be able to grow 939 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:56,640 everything we eat. Well, I don't know what you feel 940 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,960 about that, but when our farmers are being dispossessed of their 941 00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:03,640 land and the natural resources like soil and sun are being 942 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,480 covered with renewable energy centres and data centres, we've 943 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,960 got this artificial, unnatural way of farming which I'm sure 944 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,960 those strawberries look particularly nutrient deficient 945 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,280 to me. And the whole thing is very 946 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,160 expensive to run. It's it's madness. 947 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,440 Yeah. Thank you, Sandy. 948 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,600 Well, I'm quite sure we'll talk about that and Extra. 949 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,720 There's lots to discuss today. We are out of time for now 950 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,160 though. I'm going to say sorry again for 951 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,120 the technical issue at the beginning of the programme. 952 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,160 So we're running a little bit late at the moment, but we'll be 953 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,840 back in a few minutes of UK column. 954 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:40,600 Member for UK column News Extra Alex Krill will be sticking with 955 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,440 us for that, so do join us in a few minutes. 956 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:49,160 Otherwise we will see you on Friday as usual at 1:00 PM. 957 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,240 See you then. Bye bye.