1 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,080 Hello and welcome to the Silk and Steel podcast. 2 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,120 Once again, I'm your host, Carl Zaat. 3 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:22,080 Today we have a returning guest, TP Huang, who is an expert in 4 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:27,560 anything China technology related, but is also an expert 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,960 in Chinese military. For the my audience who's not 6 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:37,200 familiar with UTP, could you do a very quick brief intro of who 7 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:43,440 you are, what you do, etcetera? Yeah, so I actually started just 8 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,520 on the military side of things. I started following Chinese 9 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:54,200 military back in mid 2000s and then I joined the, a Chinese 10 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,400 military forum called Sino Defence Forum. 11 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,920 And I've, I've been like a super moderator there ever since. 12 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:04,280 So I've been spending the good part of 20 years just studying 13 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,960 Chinese weapon systems and the technology behind it. 14 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:12,600 So I'm this is a topic I'm really very fascinated about. 15 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,360 Oh, this is a topic we're all very fascinated about, 16 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:20,440 especially, I'm sure after the result of the China's victory 17 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,320 parade that just took place few days ago. 18 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:27,720 And This is why I brought you here TP, because China has 19 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:33,600 showcased a lot of new weapon platforms and to I, I think we 20 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,680 surprised many and, and I, I need you, I need your help to 21 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,320 help us break it down and you know, and what we're seeing 22 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:42,600 here. Sure. 23 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:47,040 Like I think they showcased quite a few systems, but it's 24 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,600 such like a broad category. I think it's probably better if 25 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,800 we just, you know, go through category by category and just 26 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,920 talk about the, you know, the significance of each of them. 27 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,840 OK, let's go. Which category would you like to 28 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,200 start? Well, I think the one that's 29 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,639 like really struck people's attention to start off are the 30 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,720 missiles, right? Because the hypersonic missile 31 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,360 has been one their strong area that everyone knows about for a 32 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,760 while now. And this particular parade, they 33 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:29,160 showcased 4 like YJ missiles that, you know, we really 34 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:35,840 haven't seen before, the YJ 15, YJ 17, YJ 19 and YJ 20. 35 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,160 And they also showed off some of the hypersonic missiles we 36 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:45,280 already know about like DF-17 and a new variant of DF 26 37 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,120 called DF26D. And there was also this new 38 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:54,000 hypersonic land based cruise missile called CJ 1000. 39 00:02:54,280 --> 00:03:04,240 So it overall, it kind of just like showcased a really wide set 40 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,480 of options that they have to deliver a payload on warhead to 41 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,600 I guess anything within 3000 kilometers. 42 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,160 And some of those weapons can go even a lot further than that. 43 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:21,360 So it's definitely a very, I guess, very terrifying prospect 44 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,680 for like some of their adversaries in the region. 45 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:30,120 So, so I think like there was a few that was really interesting 46 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:37,320 to us, like 1 was the YJ 19 because they made it in such a 47 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,960 size that it can fit into the torpedo tubes. 48 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,720 And that is really quite interesting because there's a 49 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,760 lot of complexity involved in getting the missile to such a, 50 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,960 you know, dimension that it can fit in the torpedo tube, 51 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:02,280 especially something that can fly at hypersonic speed of like 52 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,680 Mach 6 to Mach 8. That's what the some of the 53 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,320 Chinese social media account is saying. 54 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:14,040 And then the implication of that is quite huge because you could 55 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:21,959 have some of these submarines sail out to the ocean and the 56 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:27,040 diesel submarines are relatively hard to detect in the middle of 57 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,120 the ocean when they're not moving. 58 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:37,960 And they can essentially just sit there from different angles. 59 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,560 And then once they somehow they get the coordination where they 60 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,000 need to attack, then launch these missiles through their, 61 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:52,200 their torpedo tubes. And, and it's going to be very 62 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,480 hard to defend depending on how far you are. 63 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,360 Because the thing about hypersonic cruise missiles is 64 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:04,240 that it can go at once, they get to like hypersonic speed, it can 65 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,720 stay at that speed for quite a long time, like all the way to 66 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,120 the end. And it doesn't fly as high of 67 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,120 the horizon as the ballistic missile. 68 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,560 So it's a little bit harder to detect. 69 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,240 And because the terminal speed is still very fast, so it's very 70 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,760 hard to intercept. So this just gives them like 71 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,400 another option. And then we also saw the what we 72 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:36,000 call the hypersonic glide vehicles that are designed to 73 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,600 fit the, the VLS. So the, you know, universal 74 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:44,800 vertical launch system on the destroyers. 75 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:51,920 And that's kind of interesting because they, they're estimated 76 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:59,280 to be able to go like 1500 to 2000 kilometers maybe maybe 77 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:02,400 that's a little high, but like somewhere in that ballpark. 78 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:08,360 And they probably have pretty high speed in the middle part of 79 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,360 it and maybe a little slower to the end. 80 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,720 And the HGVs are pretty hard to intercept also. 81 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:20,520 And if you can actually pack like, so I think the the other 82 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,880 missiles that was kind of interesting is like the DF-17 83 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,320 and DF-20 and they're kind of interesting because they can 84 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,800 have relatively long range of 1500 kilometers or a little 85 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,760 more. And also they are going at 86 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,560 hypersonic speed and they're, they don't follow the ballistic 87 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,760 missile pass, which is goes pretty high up and their 88 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,320 ballistic missiles are a little easier to detect. 89 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,000 The HGVs are a little less easy to detect and intercept than the 90 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,360 HGVs. And so it's kind of 91 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,240 consequential when you can have these in your destroyers because 92 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,160 something like the Zero 55 has 112 tubes and if you load like 93 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:09,680 20-30 of these HGVs and they can hit targets from 1500 kilometer 94 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:15,240 out, that's a lot of firepower. And, and aside from that, they 95 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:24,000 also have this thing called YJ 15, which is an evolution of YJ 96 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,160 12. So what they did is they took an 97 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,560 existing missile that was probably had like, you know, 400 98 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:37,280 to 500 kilometer range and can go at probably three times the 99 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,880 speed of sound. And they made it a little more 100 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,600 compact, smaller. They made it's warhead a little 101 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,600 smaller and they improves the technology behind it. 102 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:52,480 So now I can go like maybe, you know, faster than the Max 3 and 103 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,800 it can go probably, you know, 500 kilometers again. 104 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,520 But now you can carry them on your J fifteens. 105 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:06,080 So then on your carrier group, your J fifteens can carry two of 106 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,920 them each or maybe even four of them and then fly off and then 107 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:16,000 shoot missiles that are probably faster than, you know, pretty 108 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,720 much what any other naval like aviation force have access to. 109 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,600 So like the, so if you're going to shoot something faster on 110 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,960 Mach 3, it's actually really hard to defend because they're, 111 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,520 they're not used to seeing, you know, supersonic missiles go 112 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,400 that fast normally. And so they're so they're also 113 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,880 pretty lethal. So basically what they have is 114 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:46,040 they have the they have the aerial launched really high 115 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:52,160 supersonic, they have the the naval surface ship launched 116 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:57,520 hypersonic missile, and then they also have the submarine 117 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,720 launched hypersonic missile. So that just makes it a lot 118 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,360 harder for defenders to defend because now you're facing 119 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,280 different missiles from different directions flying 120 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,640 different profiles, which is a lot harder than if you're just 121 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,120 dealing with the fastest missile, but it's only coming 122 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:21,320 from One Direction and only flying 11 profile. 123 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,960 So the. Hypersonic cruise missile is 124 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,120 that is that new because my understanding cruise missile 125 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,960 usually they you know, they usually don't fly that fast, 126 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,800 right? They fly like the the speed of 127 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,880 the airplanes. Is this something that unique to 128 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,320 China or or is this to other countries possess them as well? 129 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,360 I'm not aware of any other country with hypersonic cruise 130 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:51,600 missiles in production that you can put on the on the ships 131 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,760 themselves. Like the hypersonic missiles 132 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:58,720 itself is pretty much not something that other navies have 133 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,920 access to. So I think this is actually 134 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,640 pretty unique in to China. Like some of the other military 135 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,000 around the world, they have land based launchers of hypersonic 136 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,840 missiles and they're typically not cruise missiles I think. 137 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,680 So some of them are just ballistic missiles and other 138 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,080 other ones are. I think there are some HGVs but 139 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,600 hypersonic cruise missiles that can go for like a good distance 140 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,000 that's. That's pretty rare. 141 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,760 And and I also want to go back to a basics little bit like it's 142 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,120 my understanding even regular ballistic missile at the end of 143 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,880 its trajectory it reaches hypersonic speed. 144 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,960 So what? What distinguish A hypersonic 145 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,120 missile versus a normal ballistic missile? 146 00:10:52,200 --> 00:11:00,160 So I think the hypersonic missiles, it's the CCTV actually 147 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,600 had a recent definition for hypersonic missiles. 148 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,120 And it's basically something that can go the whole way above 149 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,640 Mach 5. And it also needs to be able to 150 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,440 do maneuvers and is relatively, you know, accurate, able to hit 151 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,960 targets. Like if you look at ballistic 152 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,720 missiles, right, they fly the ballistic path and most of the 153 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,680 time it has like I guess an APEC speed at the top and then slows 154 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:28,960 down as it comes down a little bit. 155 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:34,920 So sometimes even if it's you know goes faster and mock Max 6 156 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,000 or 7 at some point, it could still slow down by the end, 157 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,800 depending on like how long range ballistic missile it is. 158 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,080 But more importantly, it is just not able to do the same kind of 159 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:51,960 maneuvers against targets. And it's, you know, CP basically 160 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,800 CP just measures how accurate the the missile is against 161 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,880 target. It's just not going to be at the 162 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:04,160 same level as a as a what we call a hypersonic. 163 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,200 Right, so, so ballistic missiles or trajectories fixed once 164 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,640 they're fired, we can calculate where it's going to land. 165 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,280 Whereas hypersonic missile they can actually alter their flight 166 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,360 path right once once they take take flight and and. 167 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,840 And not only can they alter fly pass, they can, you know, I 168 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,640 think part of it is that they're able to maneuver in such a way 169 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,120 that it gets some closer or more accurate to the target. 170 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,080 Because some of the ballistic missiles, some of the 171 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,480 intercontinental ballistic missiles and some of the other 172 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,480 ballistic missiles can also maneuver. 173 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:44,480 But I don't we wouldn't normally consider them to be hypersonic 174 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,640 missiles because they don't. They don't have the same 175 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,080 accuracy when it comes to attacking the now. 176 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,200 This missile, how are you? Are you saying they were able to 177 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,960 readjust their fly path? You know, to, to correct for the 178 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,840 target? Like does that mean like there's 179 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:08,200 somehow linked to maybe satellite intelligence to to to 180 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:14,120 to make them self correct their path and and and focus to to 181 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:19,840 zoom on the target? I think most of them do have, 182 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,080 they do have the ability to get updates from satellites. 183 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,400 I'm not really sure the process behind the mid course guidance 184 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,160 correction. I I do think that especially 185 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,720 with something like cruise missiles, it, it can, you know, 186 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:41,840 it can change past a lot more than your, your ballistic 187 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:47,080 missiles and HGV because it's kind of like just glides applied 188 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,760 to a certain altitude. It can also maneuver a little 189 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,160 better than your and are more accurate than your usual 190 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,360 ballistic missiles. But you know, there are, there 191 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,480 are some ballistic missiles that they have in service, which are 192 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,840 also, I guess considered to be hypersonic missiles because like 193 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:10,920 the DF 26, because they're pretty much they're, they are. 194 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,640 I guess they at least they're considered to be in the same 195 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,880 category just because they're, they're considered to be pretty 196 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,240 accurate against the, the end target. 197 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,320 So the, the definition gets a little murky. 198 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,440 You know, generally speaking, I think the hypersonic missiles, 199 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,800 regardless of the definitions and some of that, you know, 200 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,960 maybe I'm a little more liberal about the including some of the 201 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,120 ballistic missiles in there like the DF 26. 202 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,200 But as a whole, they, they generally pose a big threat to 203 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,440 the defense. The CJ 1000. 204 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,040 That's some, that's not something we've seen before. 205 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,360 And it is a pretty big missile and it probably has something 206 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,000 close to like the 3000 kilometer range. 207 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,320 And it's a hypersonic cruise missile. 208 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,440 So, you know, you can, it can get to the target pretty 209 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,560 quickly. It gives them another profile, 210 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:04,360 another option against, let's say like a, you know, a naval 211 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:10,680 ship from Japan or US that are, you know, inside the second 212 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,240 island chain. And everyone's heard about the 213 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,880 DF 17 and 26. So those are the ones that the 214 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,240 Western analysts know a lot about. 215 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,320 So this, this, this parade was kind of scary for some of the 216 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,240 people because it just introduced a whole new selection 217 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,880 of weapons. That they which? 218 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,760 Which one is what the Western defense analysts call the Guam 219 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,240 Killer? You know Guam is the the US 220 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,520 military base in Pacific. They typically think of the DF 221 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,360 26 because it has like about a 4000 kilometer range. 222 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,040 Although they have a new version of new version DF26D, that one 223 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,360 probably has like a 5000 kilometer range, so it can 224 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,480 probably hit Australia, the northern Australia and. 225 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,800 Also but why? Why call it Guam killer? 226 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,640 Because China possessed ICBM before right? 227 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:10,840 I mean like China had ICBM since since 1981. 228 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,040 What? What makes this DF 26 special? 229 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:24,920 So, you know, like in in the actual combat, in actual 230 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,960 conflict, ideally we'll never get to a situation where we have 231 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,960 to get to nuclear missiles because once you start launching 232 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:38,360 like intercontinental missiles, the other side, there's a good 233 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,480 chance the other side thinks that a nuclear weapon is coming 234 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,800 over. So that that's kind of 235 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,680 dangerous. So, you know, like there's, 236 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,200 there needs to be clear delineation of like which 237 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,600 missiles are nuclear tips and which ones are not. 238 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:59,640 And there's definitely within, you know, the, the PLA rocket 239 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,880 force, there's, there's, there's ones that handle nuclear payload 240 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,560 and there's ones that do not. So in terms of Guam, why Guam 241 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:15,160 itself is important is because it's basically it was at least 242 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:21,040 considered to be the center of U S S defense against Chinese 243 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,280 pressure in the West Pacific's because it's kind of a little 244 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,319 it's a little further away from the China's mainland. 245 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,920 It's like 2800 kilometer I think from the coast maybe around 246 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,440 there. And so some of the missile that 247 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:42,080 they had before, like DF-17 and DF-16 can't really reach there 248 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,720 and a lot of their earlier cruise missiles just can't go 249 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,360 that far. So, you know, they had to 250 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,840 develop a new series of both ballistic and cruise missiles 251 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:02,040 that can go that far. And something like the HH6K was 252 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,960 launching cruise missile was, you know, part of their arsenal, 253 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:11,040 their plans to be able to deliver enough ammunitions and 254 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,680 warheads against the the Guam base. 255 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,840 So that was why Guam was always considered to be very important. 256 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,760 And that's also why, you know, America started to invest in 257 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:27,760 building military facilities in northern Australia, in, in, in 258 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,880 Darwin, because it's, it's leaving a little bit further 259 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,120 away from China than than Guam is. 260 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:39,160 And they're able to, you know, build, expand on the, the 261 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,440 airfields and the naval bases there. 262 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,560 So like, you know, America was trying to try to find places 263 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,880 they can operate at are about 3000 kilometer from China's 264 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,680 mainland. So that's why DF 726 when it 265 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:58,160 gets when they have the 4000 kilometer range missile was you 266 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,360 know in in large part to deal with this threat. 267 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,840 Got it. And you know, just the the build 268 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,320 up of the spaces on Guam, this started back in Bush years. 269 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:14,280 You know, I know Donald Rumsfeld and Rumsfeld's idea was to pull 270 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:19,480 back from from deployed U.S. military bases in Korea and 271 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:24,560 Okinawa and to build up this giant base in Guam that's 272 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,400 slightly just just out of reach of China. 273 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:33,200 But US will still be able to base attack on Chinese target 274 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,360 from there. So now, now that's they have to 275 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:40,000 go back to the drawing board. You know this the Guam is 276 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,840 considered I think what they call the US call says the second 277 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,880 island chain. And US, the Chinese aircraft 278 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,840 carrier groups have already demonstrated they could reach 279 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,200 around the waters around Guam in the recent exercises. 280 00:19:56,120 --> 00:20:01,880 And, and do you think this recent Chinese parade had a had 281 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,480 a impact in that leak? Pentagon reports where a 282 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,840 Pentagon plan where Pete H sefs said we're going to focus less 283 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:16,240 on contain China and more on our back, more on the homeland, more 284 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:23,200 on US and and Latin America. I think it's been known for a 285 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:29,160 while to the people in the US intelligence that it's basically 286 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,320 they're doomed in Westpac scenario for a lot of reasons, 287 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,160 right? Like America is not very focused 288 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:41,280 on Asia, despite the so-called Asia pivot and the Guam buildup, 289 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,720 you know, and they wanted to build up other field in this in 290 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:49,120 the area, like the Mariana Islands, I think Chinian, 291 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,040 there's a couple other ones they wanted to build up. 292 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,800 But as you can imagine, there's not a lot of people that live in 293 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,760 these places. So trying to build bases in 294 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,560 places that join peacetime, you know, in like these environments 295 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,000 where it takes a lot of effort to actually ship the equipments 296 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,280 over and actually do construction, America can't 297 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,960 build bases in America. Like building bases halfway 298 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,720 across the world is pretty hard for America, right? 299 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:19,360 So because of that, you know, all their efforts basically got 300 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:24,520 concentrated on Guam. And I think that in general, it 301 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,320 was known like pretty obvious to the US intelligence after a 302 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,280 while that the pace of China's missile buildup was far 303 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,920 outstripping their ability to defend them, to defend these 304 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,320 bases. And also, you know, America 305 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,880 can't really concentrate on one theater. 306 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,400 So he expended like all these missiles, air defense missiles 307 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:50,720 in Ukraine and Israel, right? So when you get someone 308 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,720 ideologically driven to to Neil lips like Joe Biden in power, 309 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,280 right? Like he has to continue to tell 310 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,880 the world like, you know, authoritarian democracies versus 311 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,000 autocracies, Whereas you get like a more of like, I guess a 312 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,720 realist kind of people into Defense Department. 313 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,240 They might not, they might hate China, but they're at least 314 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,680 looking at the situations like this is not going well for us 315 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,760 here. So we may need to like pull back 316 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,920 on things a little bit. So I, I think I think they know 317 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,600 a lot of these weapons before the the parade already. 318 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,360 It's just like, you know, when they came in, they're like, this 319 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,960 is a, this is a losing proposition for us. 320 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,640 That that makes sense. But I, I do remember they did 321 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,280 develop a try or try to develop a document where they're going 322 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:48,240 to build mobile launchers where, you know, the US will be able to 323 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,200 quickly deploy their, their missile launching force in one 324 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,360 island, fired a Chinese target and then evacuate and move to a 325 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:00,640 different spot. So they don't get, they don't 326 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,240 get hit. I mean, like, do you think that 327 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:11,320 was even realistic? On paper, but in reality, it's 328 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,560 actually really hard to, you know, get the support for like 329 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,200 fifth generation fighter jet and like advanced bombers in these 330 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,000 airfields, right? Because you need certain kind of 331 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,560 jet fuel, you need certain kind of maintenance stuff. 332 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,680 You can't just land at F35 and expect it to fly again. 333 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,280 You need to do work on it. So there's always this mistreat 334 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,880 that people are wondering why do they just think you can just do 335 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,680 this? Like now the support is 336 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,240 required. And I mean, I think that's, I 337 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,360 think like the people that came up with the plans, they were 338 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:55,680 definitely hoping for the best. But, you know, there's some 339 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,800 reality checks to be concerned about. 340 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,400 And to be honest, I think it makes sense for them to 341 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,160 originally plan to build out airfields that are protected in 342 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:08,600 places like Tinian and Northern Mariana Islands. 343 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,560 But you know, the progress on those is very lacking. 344 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,360 Right. I mean, it seems like they're 345 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:19,720 still fighting the last Pacific War, right? 346 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,200 They still think it's going to be a replay of World War 2. 347 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,760 But you know, the whole power of balance have shifted. 348 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,560 I said many times, you know, if they think it's going to be a 349 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,320 replay of Pacific War, it's going to be the role will be 350 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,840 reversed. China will be in the role of 351 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,760 United States in 1941 and US will be in the role of Empire of 352 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,440 Japan because that's how much the, the the manufacturing power 353 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,120 has shifted to the east. OK. 354 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:55,800 So so can we maybe we can move on from the from the missile 355 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,560 part? Yeah, I think the the missile 356 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,400 part is only part of it. I think the the unmanned 357 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,240 platforms were some of the most interesting stuff. 358 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,880 So we saw on the parade. If you want, I can talk about 359 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,040 both the the aircraft and also the the the submarines that we 360 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,480 saw. Yeah, let's let, let's go, let's 361 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,520 do it. Yeah. 362 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:26,280 So I think the drones, the large drones that we saw really 363 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,160 surprised me personally quite a bit just because I actually had 364 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,120 no idea they were that advanced. Like I knew they had some stuff 365 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,560 planned, but I didn't know if they were that particularly 366 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,040 advanced. We saw like basically two large 367 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:46,400 drones that were somewhat comparable in size to AJ 10, 368 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:53,200 which is larger than any of the drones that are in development 369 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,880 with the US Air Force. So the US Air Force has what 370 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,880 they call the Collaborative Combat Aircraft Program, which 371 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,600 are basically drones that are, you know, much larger than your 372 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:11,960 FPV's that are intended to fly with your 5th or 6th generation 373 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,680 aircraft. That's what they call the loyal 374 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,160 wingman. So you have the manned aircraft 375 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,000 directing the unmanned aircraft to do whatever. 376 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:27,800 And what we saw China display was they showcase some smaller 377 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,440 drones that probably played a similar role to what American 378 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,000 envisioned the loyal wingman to look like. 379 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:45,120 And then we saw these two large drones, which are J10 sized, and 380 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,040 we know based on the layout that they can probably fly supersonic 381 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,880 speed. And it is not out of the 382 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,840 question that they can do supersonic cruise. 383 00:26:53,480 --> 00:27:01,160 And they can also have these like tailless ends. 384 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:09,680 So, you know, it's very stealthy clearly because they're just 385 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,920 shaped that way. And basically I would say 386 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,800 they're built to like higher, you know, stealth standard than 387 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:26,440 J35 Even so there in reality, they should be very hard to 388 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:32,000 detect and they're built in a way that indicates that they can 389 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,480 maneuver very quickly. So the thing about humans is 390 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:41,520 like we have, you know, bodies. So if if the turn goes too fast, 391 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,880 then we might think so the real limits are like, you know, how 392 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,720 much the drones can turn when not drones, aircraft can turn 393 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,640 when humans are in them, right? You don't really have the same 394 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,600 limitations when there's no person in them. 395 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,840 So, so a lot of these like drones that we saw, you know, 396 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,720 hypothetically speaking, they can turn at much more aggressive 397 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,040 turn rates than the fighter jet that we're used to see. 398 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:19,480 And they're clearly very large and they're intended to be able 399 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,040 to be controlled by the the man fighters. 400 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:32,160 So if you think about it, if you have like AJ 20 at the you're a 401 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,520 little closer to the back, you might want to have like some 402 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,240 unmanned fighter in the front that's, you know, that's a 403 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,680 little more maneuverable. So or just pretty maneuverable. 404 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:54,800 So when it encounters like a adversary F35, it can it can 405 00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:00,760 engage that aircraft in combat and forces that aircraft to use 406 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,000 a lot of energy to to fight it. So and expose itself. 407 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,600 So that, you know, like a lot of this stuff is still hypothetical 408 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:16,000 because the PLA itself right now, it's probably actively 409 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,920 testing out these drones to see the best way to use them. 410 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,680 So everything I say, just a hypothetical and I'm sure it 411 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,720 will turn entirely different than what I actually speculate. 412 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:31,760 But the idea is it gives you a lot of options out there in how 413 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:38,960 it can affect the battlefield, and nobody else is even 414 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,840 developing these things at the moment. 415 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,200 So you're saying that these drones, their role is to be 416 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,240 fighters? They'll be They're fighter 417 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,400 drones. Yeah. 418 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:54,360 So we first saw like a trace of this in 2013 when there was a 419 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,800 model called Dark Sword in Chinese and Jian. 420 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,640 And it was kind of surprising at the time because we had, that 421 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,600 was the first time we saw like a more like a fighter jet concept 422 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,000 kind of drone. And it was, it had canards on 423 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,680 the side and it had a layout that would indicate that you can 424 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,480 do supersonic speeds. And it was look quite stealthy. 425 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,000 But the ones that we saw like this in the parade was even 426 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,120 stealthier because they don't have the tail and they don't 427 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,920 have the canards or anything. It looks very, very advanced. 428 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,400 Oh, yeah. Like, you know, we, we first saw 429 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,080 that concept back in 2013. We just didn't hear anything 430 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,480 more about this topic until recently when we saw two of 431 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,840 them. And and they already already 432 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,440 have serial numbers. So evidently they're, they're 433 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,160 being tested somewhere, most likely in the somewhere in 434 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,760 Xinjiang. So it's way, way away from the, 435 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,960 you know, Western intelligence. You can only see them probably 436 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,640 through satellites. And my, my guess is, you know, 437 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:11,440 the PLA is using them to see how best to develop doctrines on how 438 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,600 best to use them in combat at the moment. 439 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,080 And they also just have the J20S. 440 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,720 So the two seater version of the J20 go into service. 441 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,360 And when you have two seater aircraft, it gives you like a 442 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:29,600 second operator whose job is concentrate on controlling these 443 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:36,480 drones to fully utilize. So this so you all you have an 444 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,960 aircraft and you have drones that you can develop tactics 445 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,840 with now. This is like the Macross stuff. 446 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,160 You know, I, I remember 20. Was it 20 years ago. 447 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,640 I, I, I back in college, I watched the anime Macross Plus 448 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,680 and you know that that that was with, with the drone fighters 449 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,240 fighting the human, human fighters. 450 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,560 I mean, like looks like that's, that's going to be reality in 451 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:08,440 like next few years. It's already happening in PLA 452 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:14,680 exercises, actually, according to like according to one of the 453 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,760 podcasts that talks about these things, they're saying that 454 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,960 you're already having cases where the unmanned drones are 455 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,040 scoring hits against fighter jets. 456 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,360 Wow, wow. We're we're really moving 457 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,000 quickly here like this. This is the kind of thing I 458 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,040 thought was sci-fi 2025 years ago. 459 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,920 Like, I don't know how how much of that is hyperbole, but like, 460 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,440 you know what the scenarios that in which they did this under. 461 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,960 But it's it was really surprising to me why when I 462 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,000 heard about this, because the first concept was they're moving 463 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,040 way faster on this than I expected. 464 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,520 And the and the technology behind this is probably moving 465 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,000 faster than what a lot of people have anticipated by this point, 466 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,600 because people up to this point aren't really expecting that the 467 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,520 drones that they're controlling to do that to be fighter jets 468 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,520 itself, right? Like we're expecting the drones 469 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,680 to, you know, maybe attack some ground targets or go after some 470 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,480 easier target in the air. And they're just there as like a 471 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,880 bomb truck, You know, they, they're actually just to launch 472 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,960 the missile. And if and if they get spotted 473 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,520 and get shot down, it's no big deal. 474 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,960 But the, the PLA is moving like a they're like, we have so many 475 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,120 aerospace engineers. We're going to do those, those 476 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:45,000 stupid drones and we're going to do these super drones that, that 477 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,200 are just awesome. And then we're going to testing, 478 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,920 selling our ranges with our huge swaths of engineers until we get 479 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,560 this right. And then you can't mess with us. 480 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,240 That reminds me that there's recently launched a a new 481 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,400 amphibious assault ships this one right And that's this one 482 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,120 looks like it's designed to be a dual launching platform, no? 483 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,120 Yeah. So we actually also saw the 484 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,480 aircraft design for that. It's called GJ 21. 485 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:22,440 So in the 2019 parade, they had a what they displayed something 486 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,159 they called GJ 11, which was more designed for the Air Force. 487 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,719 So this GJ 21 is actually designed more for the, you know, 488 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,080 the Zero 76 to start off. And it's kind of interesting 489 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:42,320 because they're just expecting this, which is extremely 490 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,880 stealthy. Like if you look at it, it's 491 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,239 what we call flywheel design and it can fly to the target, drop 492 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,120 the bombs. And against most, most 493 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,600 adversaries, I would imagine it's very hard for them to 494 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,280 detect something this stealthy and do the tax and then fly 495 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,680 back. So yeah, so they, they have, 496 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,400 they have they, they. And it looks like that is also 497 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,920 being tested out, you know, being evaluated. 498 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,720 There's, they're also figuring out how to use it because when 499 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:20,160 you have both types zero 76 and you have your carrier groups, 500 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,680 you know, they have different missions obviously, but how you 501 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,680 want to utilize these assets, I think the PLA is going to have 502 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,120 to take some time to figure out because they have a lot of toys. 503 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,760 So they need to figure out how to use them. 504 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:41,360 But what I want to point out is that, you know, current time, 505 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:48,720 the Chinese Air Force right now have at least two six generation 506 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:53,760 fighter jets. They have probably 5 or 6 507 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,240 advanced drone concept that they're actively flying and 508 00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:01,760 testing out. Whereas the US Air Force has one 509 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,160 project that's a fighter and they have two drone projects 510 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,520 which are not as impressive. So this just shows you like, you 511 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,320 know, the, the, the engineering differences between what the US 512 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,760 has access to and what China has access to. 513 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,320 Is that, is that just a matter of numbers like China just have 514 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,240 more engineers or or China just devoted more funding to this or 515 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,520 or actually no, US has way more US defense budget is way larger, 516 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,560 but it's Chinese. It seems Chinese funding defense 517 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,800 budget is lot more efficiently deployed, right? 518 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,680 Yeah. So when J35A came out like late 519 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,480 last year, one thing that they mentioned was that the average 520 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,800 age of the core engineering team for the project was like 33. 521 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,400 Wow. So it's a very young and very 522 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,680 energized engineering team. And whereas if you look at the 523 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,520 the US aerospace industry, right, the last major project 524 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,560 that Boeing did of any kind was 77. 525 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,640 That's the last major new project it did. 526 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,880 It hasn't really done a major fighter jet project for a long 527 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,320 time. So just in terms of like people 528 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,760 that have experience in designing and developing new 529 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,520 aircraft, you know, the, the Chinese aerospace industry is 530 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,560 way ahead on that one, which is kind of surprising when you 531 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,120 consider like this is probably the one area where China should 532 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,400 be nominally be behind America. Because, you know, America does 533 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,080 have Boeing and, and the China's commercial aviation project 534 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,640 isn't as far along. But because it has had these 535 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:56,160 like development teams that's been working on J10 and Flankers 536 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,600 for like 20-30 years. And then they move down to J20 537 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,400 and J35A. So it's it's pretty clear that 538 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,520 they have a pretty good pipeline in training the next generation 539 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,640 of engineers and these engineers are now, you know, developing a 540 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:18,080 lot of really advanced designs. Now what? 541 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:24,200 What what do you have to say to the the claim that, oh, Chinese, 542 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,840 they just copy, you know, they're, they're just, they're 543 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,840 just stole. They just stole the American 544 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,600 designs. They just copied everything. 545 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,320 I mean, you can't really look at the two humongous drone that 546 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,640 they have and say that they copied anyone because there's 547 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,320 those those concepts are just not anywhere else to be found in 548 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,560 this world right now. And you know, if you look at the 549 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,200 J 36, it's a very, it's a very innovative design. 550 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,200 Let's put it that way. Nobody's thinking about doing 3 551 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,520 engines with two on the side and 1 on the top right. 552 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,560 So it's, they're definitely, they're definitely, you know, 553 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,480 pushing the boundaries with a lot of new designs and they have 554 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,040 a lot of engineers and the supply chain is quite 555 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,920 impressive. Like a lot of it really invites 556 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,760 me of just generally China's any other industry where they, you 557 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,520 know, slowly build up the supply chain. 558 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,600 And once they build up the supply chain and they have this 559 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,640 huge pool of engineers, they can just, you know, iterate through 560 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,640 processes like much faster than anyone else. 561 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,480 So like this, if people want us to talk about DeepSeek moment 562 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,240 for military industrial complex, this should be it because 563 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,000 nobody's expecting to see this many drones. 564 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,560 Like, you know, The funny thing was the war zone originally, it 565 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,280 was getting really excited to talk about how many drones that 566 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,960 China has. And when the parade came out, no 567 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,200 more articles on because I'm pretty sure they looked at it 568 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,480 and they're like, OK, America doesn't have anything that looks 569 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,800 like that, so let's just not talk about this. 570 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,240 I, I, I, I thought I was going to give them a, a, a, a, you 571 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,640 know, a benefit of doubt. I thought maybe these are too 572 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,560 many Jones. They're going to have to some 573 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,840 time to process all that information. 574 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,400 But that's why we we have you here for TP to help us break it 575 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,080 up. Yeah, you don't. 576 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,360 You can't hurt the feelings too much. 577 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,760 So you just let's give them a little more time on that one. 578 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,080 All right, are we are we do we have a wrap on drones and we can 579 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,360 move on for to to the next? Next Yeah, I think the 580 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,720 submarines were really interesting too because you know 581 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:38,360 like we've seen what the UUV's on man underwater vehicles. 582 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,600 So the submarine drones for a while now, and this was like the 583 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,280 first time that we actually saw the that mean displayed in 584 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,520 parade. And they have these huge drones 585 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,480 like, you know, that can they have the one that is supposed to 586 00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:02,320 be able to lay mines. And we had another one that's 587 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,520 more like has a lot of sensors on there. 588 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,640 And they they're both pretty large. 589 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,920 And so you'd imagine that they can they can stay in the water 590 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,480 for a while. And you know, when people ask 591 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,280 what is so important about drones, this this important part 592 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,840 about drones is that you can build as many of them and you 593 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,160 don't have to worry about training the people to actually 594 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,480 operate them, right? So there's no limitations in 595 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,160 terms of finding enough people to be willing to spend days 596 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,760 after days in the water and not having touch with their family. 597 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,720 So this actually adds a lot of flexibility in how they can 598 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:53,000 deploy like large number of these underwater vehicles around 599 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,120 China. And I think the idea is like 600 00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,280 when you have enough of the underwater sensors and nodes, 601 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,000 you have a much better situation awareness in the water. 602 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,600 Against modern submarines, the best way to detect them is just 603 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,440 having as many water sensors in the water in that area as 604 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:17,320 possible and then network them together so that once you do 605 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,920 detect it, then you can pass a lot of the information and then 606 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,920 you can send over the aircraft or the helicopter to actually 607 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,440 attack them. So that's why, you know, against 608 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,120 the submarine threat, having a lot of underwater nodes is very 609 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,640 important. That reminds me, do you think 610 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,640 China took any lessons from the Ukraine war that's going on? 611 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,200 Because you know, like the Ukraine war is like a real 612 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,000 example of kind of the 21st century Modern Warfare that's 613 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,840 been fought by near peer adversaries, right? 614 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:03,200 And then there were also a lot of autonomous units being used, 615 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,000 like whether aerial drones or naval drones. 616 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:12,040 Do do you think China incorporate any lessons from the 617 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,280 Ukrainian war into their their designs? 618 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,920 I think the the most evident place where they took the 619 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,200 Ukraine conflict into design is actually just looking at the 620 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,720 ground forces they changes that they displayed. 621 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,960 The new Type 100 is pretty clearly developed or designed 622 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,640 with the need to combat drone swarms in mind, because it's 623 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,120 very much about like having a whole bunch of sensors. 624 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,280 It's no longer about, you know, the traditional armor combat. 625 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,080 And I'm not too familiar with land warfare in general. 626 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,680 But my view of the how people did tanks in the back in the in 627 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,560 the past is just basically having the best armor you can 628 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:03,800 get and having the best round that you can use to penetrate 629 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,280 armor. Whereas now that you're facing 630 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,720 the the drone threat, what you actually need to be able to do 631 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:17,720 is use information warfare to link together all the sensors. 632 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:26,560 So you can detect enemy drones, enemy artillery or enemy armored 633 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,920 vehicles from further out and then attack them. 634 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,480 And you might not be your own vehicle to attack them right? 635 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,440 Like it could be you detect the drone from a few kilometer out, 636 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:44,360 then you direct it to the air defense unit FK 3000 with its 637 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,880 micro missiles, and then it can attack the drones with it so 638 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,840 that it doesn't get too close to your tank. 639 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:57,920 Or your drone detects a tank from a little further out than 640 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:03,520 you and then one of your armored vehicle can then send you know, 641 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,880 anti tank missile over there to attack it. 642 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:13,800 And if you look at the Chinese vehicles there, it looks like 643 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,560 they took the entire like EV revolution and put the military 644 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,200 version of it out there because they all have a lot of sensors 645 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,280 around there and they're all using hybrid technology. 646 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,080 And so that they're all very quiet. 647 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:33,760 And then they also can have lower heat signatures and they 648 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,280 all have like higher power generation capabilities. 649 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,960 So all that power generation can, can supply the power needed 650 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,520 for all the sensors. And you know, in the future, if 651 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,360 you want to add like lasers to them, you can. 652 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:54,840 So that's kind of the interesting part. 653 00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:57,960 And you probably saw the humongous laser they had in the, 654 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,200 in the parade also. That thing looked really funny. 655 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,840 Yes, yes, let's talk about the laser weapons. 656 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,200 I I'm, I'm curious about the laser weapons, you know, like 657 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,480 those those kind of things before you saw only in like 658 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,000 James Bond or Austin Power movies. 659 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,160 What what, what, what are they, what do they do? 660 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,480 What they're supposed to be designed for. 661 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,120 I think generally speaking, they're just supposed to be 662 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,560 designed to for the Navy, for the Navy in this case, to 663 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,160 probably shoot down incoming drones from like a certain 664 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,360 distance out or even I think because the one that we saw in 665 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,520 the parade was pretty large. It needs to be able to also 666 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:49,120 shoot down anti shipping missiles so that it can provide 667 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,240 a last line of defense against missiles attacking it. 668 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:54,280 So at first, you know, you try to shoot it down with your 669 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,760 longer range missiles. If it doesn't get if you can't 670 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,240 get a shoot shot down, then you use your short range missiles. 671 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,000 And if you still can't get it down, then you use the lasers at 672 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,200 the end. So that's kind of the idea 673 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,800 behind the lasers and you know, like they have the land warfare 674 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,080 version also. Those are probably more to 675 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,400 target just the drone swarms and if you saw, they also have the 676 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,440 microwave weapons which they first showcased in the Druhai 677 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,080 air show. And those can probably get the 678 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:30,880 drones down from like you know, 2 kilometer out and they can fry 679 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,920 a bunch of them. And the laser is kind of 680 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,280 interesting just because the technology behind it has really 681 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,640 improved in the past couple years. 682 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,920 And a lot of that also is just driven by various new technology 683 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,320 that China is developing. You know, there's the, there's 684 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,160 the laser communication that they're working on, there's the 685 00:47:55,160 --> 00:48:01,040 Lidars that they work on. But a lot of it is really just 686 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,040 using the right materials, using the right power generation. 687 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,200 And, and you're seeing that like in the weapon system that they 688 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:14,400 trotted out because you're able to efficiently utilize all this 689 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,840 power and to actually actually focus the beam and bring down 690 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,320 targets. You know, like when you laser 691 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,120 something, with enough time it will come down. 692 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,800 That's kind of the idea. Speaking of lasers, whatever 693 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,600 happened to rail guns? Because I remember China was 694 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:39,600 testing rail gun for a while and then then there's not no more 695 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,920 news coming out of that. And I think recently I saw Japan 696 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,520 was also testing real guns. Is that still ongoing? 697 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,360 Is that still a thing or they just decide it's no, it's not 698 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,320 worth the effort? My guess is that they probably 699 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,720 still have the program going on going because they they have the 700 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,680 enough bandwidth to pretty much work on every project that they 701 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,880 want to. Like that's just, you know, when 702 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,160 you have overcapacity in engineers, you can just do that. 703 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:13,320 And I think they probably didn't display it because it's just not 704 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,520 ready to to be displayed right now. 705 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,880 Like a lot of the stuff that they displayed have been in 706 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,520 service for a few years now. You know, so obviously some of 707 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,200 the stuff like the drones, they're they're relatively new 708 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,640 and we're not going to see them in large numbers until later 709 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,000 that those are just more to like showcase, you know, China's 710 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,840 current on man warfare prowess to the rest of the because you 711 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,880 impress a lot of people with lasers on men, robotic looking 712 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,600 stuff, right? So and but yeah, like I think, I 713 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,240 think they're, I think it's still on a lot of the other 714 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:52,640 stuff is that you read about they're probably still ongoing, 715 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:58,960 they just haven't been able to put into production yet. 716 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,520 So what we saw in the parade is actually products that has been 717 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,240 serviced, that been serviced in Commission. 718 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:14,200 They're not prototypes. I think some of the drones are 719 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,720 probably like, they're technically in service, but 720 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:21,000 they're still more of like a testing and evaluation phase, 721 00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:22,920 like they're still trying to figure out how to use them. 722 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,240 But most of the weapon system are actually, you know, already 723 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:30,600 in service. So, you know, I don't really 724 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,640 believe this stuff about them. Showcase things, prototypes that 725 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,720 don't work at the parade. I think most of it is actually 726 00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:40,840 in service. Wow. 727 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,240 Yeah, like I guess some of the more scientific stuff, they're 728 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,080 probably still trying to figure out how to use it. 729 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,280 So it might take them a few years to figure out how to use 730 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,680 it and decide if they want to mass produce it or not. 731 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,320 But they are being evaluated somewhere. 732 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:04,280 Yeah, I mean, this is my argument for why the, the the 733 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:11,360 the Pentagon 2027 deadline for China's quote, UN quote invasion 734 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,800 of Taiwan is bogus because China just need to wait until 2030. 735 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,720 They will even have more firepower and more goodies. 736 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,280 It's why why 2027? That's just an arbitrary date. 737 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,880 Anything else? Any other areas you want to 738 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,600 cover? I mean, I think generally 739 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,880 speaking it was very impressive. Like even a lot of the stuff 740 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,720 that they, they displayed for the, you know, the Air Force was 741 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:45,400 kind of interesting and the, they had their new, I guess new 742 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,000 generation of aircraft from the, they always start off with 743 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:54,360 AJ16D, like electronic warfare aircraft, followed by the J20 744 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,440 and the J20A and J20S. And the J35A kind of is kind of 745 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,840 like showcasing we have these latest 5th generation aircraft 746 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,480 along with these new electronic warfare aircraft that, you know, 747 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,640 makes them pretty much invisible. 748 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,360 And yeah, go ahead. I have. 749 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,240 I have a question. Actually, China also showcased 750 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:20,280 some anti ballistic missile systems. 751 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,560 I was actually surprised to see that because you know, we know 752 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,760 the United States was a pioneer in the anti ballistic missile 753 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,920 program. But you know, from what we saw 754 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,920 in the 12 day Israel Iran war, even you know, Israel had the 755 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,720 most advanced, most sophisticated layer ballistic 756 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:43,760 defense. You know, they had, they had 757 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,280 aircraft shooting Dung Jones in inside airspace of Serbia, 758 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,280 inside airspace of Syria and, and, and Jordan. 759 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,840 And then they have the fat system shooting down Iranian 760 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,680 missiles and they have Americans Asia system from U.S. 761 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,320 Navy station in Mediterranean shooting down Iranian missile. 762 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,320 Then they, they have Israel's own Iron Dome and David Sling 763 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:16,600 and all that and Iranian, Iranian missiles still find, you 764 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,840 know, still enough of them made through and find their target. 765 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,720 So, so missile defence is really, really hard to do, 766 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,600 especially you are faced with a huge number of missiles and but, 767 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:33,120 but, but, but, but, but it looks like China is also investing in 768 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,520 its own anti ballistic missile defence. 769 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:36,960 Can you talk a little bit about that? 770 00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:40,960 Yeah, I think like, you know, ballistic missile defence is 771 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:45,520 generally very expensive, right? You're not going to get the 772 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:50,400 right price ratios when you talk about offensive versus defensive 773 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,520 because you know you need a better missile to intercept the 774 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,880 missile that's coming over. So that's why it's always been 775 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,680 hard. But when you have important 776 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:08,600 assets in your Navy to protect and it could face ballistic 777 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,720 missiles coming over, you just need to have some to protect 778 00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:15,920 your carrier groups. And you know, like, I don't 779 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,640 hope, I hope we never get to this. 780 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,840 But you know, if, if a war between China and India breaks 781 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,360 out and you have to worry about Indian nuclear weapons, for 782 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,400 example, then you need to have some form of ballistic missile 783 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,760 defense for your major cities to defend against OSA, to defend 784 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,400 against OSA. I, I don't, I don't think, I 785 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,320 don't think there's going to be that kind of war between China 786 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,320 and India, but I get your point, but I don't think. 787 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,360 My point is you need to protect the really important targets. 788 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:53,960 I agree, which if you let you know, hopefully we don't get to 789 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,400 a situation where that happens. But you're never going to 790 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,000 protect, intercept 100% of really good missiles. 791 00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:03,760 Like if you face really good missiles and if there's enough 792 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,960 of them coming over, you're just not going to intercept all of 793 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,480 them. Like, I'm sorry to tell people 794 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,080 that, but you know, China's a big country also, right? 795 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,960 Like you can't protect all the rural areas. 796 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,120 So, you know, you need like these really good missiles to 797 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,920 protect your important military assets and also your population 798 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,520 centers and your industrial centers clearly. 799 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,160 So they need that. Anything else? 800 00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:30,360 Yeah, like I, I, I just, I, I just think it was very important 801 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,200 to see like a lot of the, the technology come out. 802 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,600 I mean, the laser stuff was very fascinating. 803 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,880 The unmanned technology that they showcase was way beyond 804 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,640 anything else that we've seen from other countries up to this 805 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,960 point. The the hypersonic missiles that 806 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:50,200 we saw were like like a couple generations ahead of everyone 807 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,840 else, right. So they're very ahead in these 808 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:58,160 areas and the Air Force that they have currently is also 809 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,720 probably, you know, the second largest in terms of size of 810 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:08,080 fifth generation and and doctrine wise, you know, they're 811 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,640 probably right up there with America in terms of like, you 812 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,360 know, fighting modern air warfare. 813 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,480 And it's very important to think about this, that an aircraft 814 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,280 agency that they don't even care about, they don't even display 815 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,800 in their own air air show, you know, was able to shoot down 816 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,880 pretty much every Indian aircraft. 817 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,800 And, you know, it came across so like it was that just showcase, 818 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:38,640 you know, how good these Chinese aircraft is in terms of sensor 819 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,640 fusion and being able to fight Modern Warfare. 820 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:48,360 That reminds me, AWAC seems to be very important in the Chinese 821 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,400 aerial combat doctrine, you know, even doing even in the 822 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,960 Pakistani India conflict, you know, a wax play a role in 823 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,600 railing targets to the J10C fighters. 824 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,720 And we saw some, you know, China displaced some of their own 825 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:07,240 indigenous, develop a wax plane during the parade, right? 826 00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:13,000 Yeah, yeah, I think we saw the the KJ 600 definitely and I 827 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,680 think we saw the KJ 500 also. I don't remember if we saw the 828 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:22,800 KJ 3000 or not, but the KJ 600 is kinda important just because 829 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,560 you need it for the carrier groups. 830 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,640 And if they were to, you know, eventually send the carrier 831 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,640 group out. And they really need something 832 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,640 like KJ 600 to do the command and control, to do the advanced 833 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,120 early warning and to do the electronic warfare and all all 834 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,160 that jazz. And another really important 835 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:50,240 aircraft that they showcase with the J15DT, which is the, the 836 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,680 electronic warfare version of the J15 key, so it can be 837 00:57:55,120 --> 00:58:00,800 launched off the, the catapult and the, the electronic warfare 838 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,520 aircraft are very important. Like, you know, the the PLA has 839 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,720 invested a lot of money into those things and it they're also 840 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:15,080 very hard because you need to stick a lot of equipment inside 841 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,280 them and they still need to be able to take a fly off from an 842 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,360 aircraft carrier. So that's why some of these 843 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,680 projects has taken so long to be fully developed. 844 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:31,280 And if you look at the parade, they always have the electronic 845 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,200 warfare aircraft flying in the front that showcases ahead of 846 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,240 the other fighters. That just showcases how much 847 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,440 highly they think of it. I'm very impressed with how far 848 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,600 China has come in the electronic warfare area because I remember 849 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,280 in the old days, like back in the 80s, nineties, 2000, what 850 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:58,520 they did was they had these basically Soviet era airframes 851 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:05,080 and China was just trying to stick in like Western electronic 852 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,400 warfare system into them. But but by now I guess like 853 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,960 China has its only indigenous electronic warfare system, 854 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,840 right? I mean like the like they don't. 855 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,600 I'm assuming they don't no longer rely on Western suppliers 856 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,400 for their electronic warfare parts, right? 857 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,280 You know, when you have the leading telecom provider in the 858 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,280 world in Huawei, you know, makes all these radio frequency 859 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,840 related applications, which is generally you know what 860 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:41,280 electronic warfare is basically it's to disrupt the enemy 861 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,520 communications and figuring out where they're from and then 862 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:52,240 trying to spoof them. That's like that is what telecom 863 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,600 companies have to do themselves in all their development. 864 00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,760 So when you have when you have entities like that, you have a 865 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,200 huge supply chain, which then you can build up all to develop 866 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,160 modern electronic warfare equipment. 867 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,000 So that's why they got so good at this stuff and that's why 868 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,520 like you know, U.S. government was very anti Huawei for so. 869 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,120 That's a very good point. Wow. 870 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:27,000 I think we cover a whole wide area of the the weapons display 871 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,960 on the parade. Did did we miss anything? 872 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,560 Is there any particular thing that you felt we need to talk 873 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,920 about? No, I think, I think that pretty 874 01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,240 much covers all the important ones. 875 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,120 All right. Well, thank you very much TP for 876 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,080 for coming to our show to explain about the latest advance 877 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,120 of Chinese military as it was displayed during the latest 878 01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,800 victory parade. If people want to find you and 879 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,040 follow your writings, where would they go? 880 01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:02,640 Yeah, so you can find me at TP Huang on X or Twitter or you can 881 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,720 find me on Sub Stack under TP Huang. 882 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:11,320 Also I post a lot on Twitter normally. 883 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,640 OK, so there you have it. Go go subscribe to TP on both 884 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,520 Twitter and sub stack. You know he's a a treasure trove 885 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,320 of information on anything Chinese tech related. 886 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,320 And, and thank you again TP for making the time to join us and 887 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,840 thank everyone for for tuning in. 888 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:32,760 Until next time.