I butchered this last time, hopefully I won't butcher this
time. Etienne de la Boutique squared,
thank you for joining me in the trenches.
Did I get it right? You did, and it's a pleasure to
be with you and your audience. You know, for your audience that
might not be familiar with my work, I'm an author and my first
book was called Government, the Biggest Scam in History, which I
did, which which took quite some time to make it to South Africa.
Took six months and this shit six months.
No, but that's because I told you you should.
You shouldn't use the standard Postal Service.
It'll never, it'll never arrive. Well, I mean you know example of
voluntarism in action. We started with the with the
Postal Service. After 5 1/2 months of failure
and book being returned to me here in the United States, we
tried again with a private company, Federal Express, and
Federal Express was able to get it there.
Almost seven weeks, so four or five days.
Volunteerism in action. Pardon, four or five days.
It was very quick. Yeah, yeah, it does.
It does. It did take a little bit but but
they made it where the government was unable to to get
the job done. Etienne, this is a conversation
that I've been having a few times since 2020.
When we realised that there wasn't too much difference
though between governments and corporations in the private
sector, I mean, you have, you have so much collusion going on.
And so, so I agree with that, but also what I think that
you're seeing, you know, especially here in the United
States, is you're not seeing really a true free market.
What you're seeing is crony capitalism and that crony
capitalism starts with the banks being able to create money out
of thin air using a technique called fractional reserve
banking. And, and So what, what I believe
is going on in the case that I make in government, the biggest
scam in history and, and in my new book to see the cages to
leave it is that the, the banks are creating money out of thin
air and they're providing unlimited capital to favoured
corporations to buy up and to dominate their own little, you
know, corner of the economy. And This is why you're seeing
the monopolisation. This is why you're seeing the
chain stores. It's not free market.
It's not even capitalism. Technically it would be called
crony capitalism. And there's a fascistic
component. So the, so the government and
the, the corporations have partnered politically where
certain corporations are getting, you know, contracts
and, and you know, we're buying weapon systems that we don't
need for wars based on lies and manufactured intelligence and,
and just so that we can have wars and sell weapon systems.
And you would not see that in a true free market.
You would not see that in a voluntary world.
It really, you know, both the, the monopolisation of
everything, the cartelization of the, of these companies, you
know, that really is the product of allowing the banks to create
money out of thin air and being able to pick the winners in the
economy. And so like, I don't think it's
free market and I don't think it's capitalism.
For my UK column audience who might not know your work, what
is your? General thing So.
So I'm a voluntarist. A voluntarist is someone that
does not believe in the legitimacy, the necessity or the
desirability of having a government and believes that all
relationships between people should be voluntary.
And so, so nobody has rights that other people don't.
Nobody has an exemption for morality, especially the
government. And there's a little bit of an
understanding of kind of like economics in the sense that, you
know, you, there's an understanding there that the,
that the free market would provide everything that
governments provide. You know, the, you know, armed
Protective Services, they call the police or dispute
resolution, they call the courts or, you know, running the, the
air traffic control system, name it.
Everything the government does would be done better, faster and
cheaper by the free market. And everybody would be
dramatically wealthier If the, if the, if the, you know, if we
had true free market money, that the money should be gaining
value every single year and buying more and more as
productivity improvements and innovations reduce the cost of
either manufacturing or distributing the luxuries and
necessities of life. And so, so that my, my book
government, the biggest Scam in history makes the case that
government has been the biggest scam in all of human history.
And that the subtitle is how intergenerational organised
crime runs the government, the media and academia.
And my thesis is, is that they get away with it because they're
controlling the information that society receives about the
legitimacy of government, about the necessity of government,
about the desirability of government, because they're, you
know, controlling the information you receive in the
mandatory government school or in the accredited private
school. They're controlling the
information that you receive over a monopoly media system.
And so, you know, that, you know, globally, you know, in the
United States especially, there's about 6 companies
running hundreds and hundreds of subsidiaries on the old school
media side. You know, the newspapers, the
radio stations, the television stations, every channel.
Government is legitimate. Government is legitimate.
And what I expose in the new
book is that, you know, that Hollywood is making the
government the hero in movies and television shows, their
product, placing the flag at moments of high positive
emotion. Their control.
Not only are they, you know, kind of controlling the
information just to say that it's legitimate, but they're
actually pulling on the heartstrings in the dramas and
in the movies to make the government seem like it is the
good guys. And they're out there saving the
world. Whether it's Tom Cruise saving
the world and Mission Impossible or Tom Cruise saving the world
and Top Gun Maverick or, you know, Mulder and Scully, you
know, of the FBI, you know, saving the world.
You know, from the FBI standpoint, whatever it is, you
know, it's a trick. And so government is, and it
isn't really government because, you know, you can think of
government as a tool of what I call intergenerational organised
crime. People that long ago, centuries
ago figured out how to use government and control of
perception to rob the population.
But we're, but it's, it's essentially, it's always
illegitimate. It's impossible to have a
legitimate moral government. You can't delegate rights you
don't have yourself. You can't be bound by a social
contract you didn't sign. If you know my fiance and myself
can't vote to rob Jeremy because there's two of us and one of
him. It doesn't matter if there's 330
million of us. There's no magical additional
person that makes something immoral now moral.
And so it has been the biggest scam in all of human history.
And it is a way of robbing and tax farming populations and
controlling populations. And that money is being
extracted out the back door. It's being extracted from the
banks being able to steal the value out of people's money
using fractional reserve banking.
It's being extracted by the weapons systems that we don't
need to fight wars based on lies manufactured, you know,
intelligence. It's extracted through mandatory
vaccinations that actually harm your kids instead of help your
kids. It's extracted and ethanol
subsidies and other, you know, subsidies to big AG players.
It's extracted in a, you know, in a monopoly medical system
where the doctors are essentially trained by the
Pharmaceutical industry to be pill pushers and, and, and, and,
and have, you know, regulated medicine where, where only
allopathic medicine is, is, is is allowed to, you know, be
taught in medical schools or to be, you know, reimbursed by
insurance or Medicare or Medicaid.
And only AMA allopathic doctors have the ability to prescribe.
And so there's all these different ways that government
has structured society to hurt the population, to keep them
dumbed down so that they can be robbed and they can be tax
farmed. And I'm exposing that with kind
of these easy to read picture books that take people from kind
of zero to 60. It's not really a picture book,
but it's, there's a lot of memes, there's a lot of
visualisations, there's a lot of media ownership charts because
most people are visual learners and they come to insight much
quicker if you show them a visualisation of what I just
talked about with, you know, with the media ownership.
And so I'm waking people up and I'm providing tools for you to
wake up your friends, your family and your your colleagues
to what's really going on. Just quickly, before we go any
further, I can guarantee you that if I don't ask you this,
I'm going to get emails about it.
But your name Etienne Della Boutique Squared.
It's obviously a parody. Well, it's a, it's a nom de
plume or a nom de guerre. It's a, it's a pen name or war
name. And so the original Etienne de
la Buici squared was a French political philosopher.
He wrote in the 16th century, and he was really one of the
first to really expose the tricks and the techniques that
governments use, not just to get obedience, because obedience is
kind of easy. If you've got a whip or a gun or
a, you know, you know, you're able to dominate, but to get
adoration and fealty and, you know, everybody wants to go to
the White House and hang out with the president.
And, you know, all hail the, you know, all hail the chief and God
save the queen. And we love our rulers.
And so he exposed back in the 1500s, he exposed the playbook
that rulers were using, not just in the 1500s, but some of the
techniques that he outlined in his book A Discourse on
Voluntary Servitude. Some of those techniques were
already 1000 plus years old and some of those techniques are
still being used today. And so when I started, when I
wrote my first book, I had kids in the government school system.
And so I didn't want them to get, I was divorced, my wife had
them in the government school system.
I personally would rather my children be uneducated than
educated by the state. But she waged law fair and and
had, you know, custody and, and put them in the government
school system against my will. But I didn't want them to get
heat for what dad was doing. And so I used the nom de plume.
They're now one of them is out of college and one was about to
graduate. I can go back to my real name.
My real name is Howard. I'll just say that.
But like now everybody knows me is at TN Daylight.
But we see squared and if you put in the number 2, then you
find me versus the at the end of.
But we see if you put in the number 2, you find me versus
the, you know, 16th century French political philosophy.
I asked you if I butchered it and I did butcher it and you
said I said it correctly. It's worthy, not worthy.
No, no, it can be either Bowie C or Bowie T And so I've actually,
you know, I've actually had, you know, different actual French
citizens tell me both ways. But the one that told me Bowie
C, he was actually wearing a beret.
And so I took his, you know, he's got to be French if he's
wearing a beret And so like. And a commie.
It wasn't a red beret. I'll tell you a little bit of
trivia that you probably don't know.
Bootie BOET i.e. in Afrikaans means little brother.
Just thought I'd tell you that. Oh that's cool.
I've heard that Etienne is the English equivalent of Stephen,
but I've never heard that Bootie is brothers, so that's kind of
cool as well. The multi layered opening that
you gave me, we have to clarify a few things.
So you talk about volunteerism, voluntaryism, which is another
way of saying anarchism, but that's got a bad connotation,
doesn't it? Well, it has a bad connotation
because the rulers so so. Anarchy means no rulers doesn't
mean no rules, it just means no rulers.
But because the rulers don't want the population to know that
there's an option on the menu called no rulers.
The rulers have used this media system, this monopoly media
system, OK, and even control of the dictionary, which I
breakdown in my book government, the biggest scam in history.
And I and I actually show, you know, compare the, the 1827
definition of the word anarchy from the Webster's dictionary
with the modern, you know, version from Merriam Webster.
So you can see how it's been changed over time to chaos and
dystopia. And so the rulers don't want the
population to know that, that you don't really need rulers
because if it was between rulers and no rulers, then they would
probably choose no rulers. And so the rulers have used this
monopoly media system to, to and control of the dictionary.
So the so, so you know, the Merriam Webster dictionary is,
is, is owned by Encyclopaedia Britannica, which is owned by
the Safra banking family. And once the Safra banking
family took it over, they put one of the heads, I think it was
Leslie Gelb, one of the past presidents of the Council on
Foreign Relations, on the editorial Advisory Board.
And this is 1 of this is, you know, another example of how
moneyed interests can control the information that you receive
by controlling things like the dictionary and the encyclopaedia
to make, you know, the to make, quote unquote, anarchy look bad.
I like to use volunteerism, which means the same,
essentially the same thing. You know, it's, it's a world
without rulers, but it doesn't have the number one.
It doesn't have the same baggage that that the word anarchy has.
So you don't have to explain to somebody.
No, I'm not the kind of anarchist that you see in the
media, you know, dressed in black, throwing, you know,
petrol, you know, bottles flaming, you know, Molotov
cocktails through windows. I'm actually like, you know,
I'm, I'm into economics and, and I think that it would, that a
world without government, everyone would be, you know,
dramatically wealthier and there would be more harmony in the
world because you're not having to fight over control of the
school board. You know, at the election level,
where if you lose at the, at the local level on the school board,
your kid gets taught critical race theory or gets taught LBGQT
studies, or if you're in Detroit, gets taught Islamic
studies or whatever it is. And so, so you would just buy
your child whatever kind of education that you want.
You could get a Montessori, you could get them, you know,
Waldorf, you could get them Acton Academy.
You could get, you know, self directed learning.
You can get vocational school. There's no reason for us to be
fighting over many of the things that we fight at at the ballot
box. And you know, one of the other
problems with government is it's it is unbelievably easy for
monied interests to hijack the election in a variety of ways.
Here in the United States, we vote on unauditable black box
voting machines and with mail in ballots that are both notorious
black box voting machines for the ability to be hijacked and
hacked at the central tabulator and have, you know, have, have
the vote totals changed in real time.
And with, with, with, you know, with mail in ballots, you know,
anybody can arrive at the courthouse with a big sack of
ballots and throw off an election.
And so it's, it's just, it's the worst way to organise society.
It's the dumbest way to organise society.
It is, it doesn't produce the goods.
You don't get good outcomes. And I think, I think people are
starting to realise that, that, that you're, they're not getting
the outcome that they want. No matter how hard they vote,
Jeremy, they're not getting the outcome that they want.
And so I think, you know, I think it's, it's it's
definitely, it seems to be the fastest growing political, you
know, movement in the United States as far as I can tell.
So I, I think democracy just as a concept is a sham anyway.
I don't, I don't buy into it at all.
Hans Hermann Hopp wrote a great book called Democracy, the God
that Failed. And he, he kind of makes an
argument that on the face of it seems to challenge what you're
saying. He, he suggests that natural
order is obviously the best type of, of governance of people,
which which you know, would be order that's just naturally
created. But with that not around,
monarchy, he he suggests, is a better system because it's
private ownership of of property.
Correct. And so in in that book, you
know, he makes the case that, you know, the monarch has a long
term interest in his Kingdom, whereas in democracy, you know,
these these politicians, they only get elected, you know, for
two to four years. They may be out of office in two
to four years. And so they have a very short
timeline and they're, they're going to steal everything they
can for themselves while they're, while they're in power.
And so that, that, that, that, that, that that long term
interest that you, you get, you actually get better outcomes
because the monarch has a long term interest in his Kingdom
versus the, the the elected politician has a very short
timeline. Yes, but I was making the point
that that monarchy is still a type of government.
I guess you could argue that it's voluntary in the sense that
you don't have to live in in that monarchy, but it is
nonetheless privately owned. Right, right.
And by the way, so now there are also examples of privately owned
essentially countries or free private cities.
And so in, in March of this year, we were in Prospera, you
know, on the Isle of Rotan off the coast of Honduras, where
where, you know, a, a group of private investors and
businessmen negotiated a sovereignty from the, the
government of Honduras and what's called a zed a or a zone
of economic development, you know, within the country where
the laws of Honduras do not apply.
And you have a private government in many ways, like,
you know, like a monarchy, but so that so that but it's but you
know, there is a level of democracy in that, you know,
people can make proposals for things and there are there,
there's a level of elected representation, but they don't.
But they're providing governance as a service, unlike, you know,
so you're, you're, you're opting in to live in Prospera, You're
agreeing to certain things, kind of like a, in an HOA, you know,
I'm not going to, you know, if you, if you opt into an HOA,
you're not going to paint your house pink.
You're not going to, you know, leave cars in your front yard.
And you're, you're going to accept, you know, reasonable
rules to coexist, you know, with your, with your neighbours.
But people are now, you know, moving with their feet and
saying, hey, I'd rather live under a private government that
guarantees me that they're never going to raise my tax.
And by the way, Prospera has one of the lowest effective tax
rates on the planet. And so it's a 5% income tax.
It's a 1% tax on, on business, on business and a 2.5% retail
sales tax. And people are saying, hey, and
they have, you know, way better rules way better, you know, less
regulation, less bureaucracy, less red tape, no monopolies.
Like it's a way better form of government than than, than
anything that's out there. And it's voluntary.
And people are starting to vote with their feet and they're
moving to these jurisdictions, you know, in the United States,
people are moving to, you know, I'm, I'm actually in Florida
right now because we're contemplating moving to Florida
and we're looking around on my, we, we're talking about Miami.
I'm on my way to Miami. We're, we're looking for, for,
you know, community to live in and in Florida, because it's one
of the top five freest states in the United States.
And what we're doing, what we're seeing is we're seeing people in
the United States vote with their feet and they're moving
from places like New York and Massachusetts and California,
and they're moving to places like New Hampshire where the
Free State Project is. They're moving to Texas,
Florida, Idaho. And U.S. states have way more
individual freedom, personal freedom, less taxes, less
regulations. And so so you're seeing that
happen not just the United States, but around the world.
But that's one exam. I'm a living example of that.
I'm on a, you know, a community hunting trip to Florida right
now and I'm living in a state called Tennessee, which is also
one of the top five freest states in the United States.
And so, so you know, I, you know, it's, it's a, it's a
dynamic, I think that's going on everywhere.
The reason why I brought up Hans Herman hops work is because it
kind of implies that humans want governance.
They want high rock hierarchies because it helps with the sense
of order. Now, if you're talking about
everybody governing themselves or everybody's an individual
making their own decisions, how does that tug of war get played?
Well, well, first of all, I think governance is a great
thing. Like you can have governance
without having government. And Prospera is a, you know, is
a great example of where, you know, a company is taken over a,
you know, 1000 acres in Honduras and they're offering governance
as a service. But you're not, you're not
having that forced on to you. You're moving to be in a place
where you were, you know, like the same way that like an HOA
isn't forced onto, you're agreeing to the terms of the HOA
before you move into the, you know, the planned community.
Now you get a lot of benefits from being in a planned
community. I used to live in one in
Ashburn, VA that had 5000 plus families and, and, you know,
yeah, I can't, you know, paint my house pink or put car, you
know, cars in the yard. But we had a like a magnificent
community with like outdoor tennis courts, indoor tennis
courts. I think we had seven different
community pools, swimming pools. We had a basketball courts.
We had indoor gymnasium and saunas and steam rooms.
And like, it was just, it was, it was amazing.
The amenities. So you're like, OK, well, I'll,
I'll, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll, you know, suffer a little bit
under the HOA for that, for, for all of these amenities and this
quality of life. But I can leave anytime I want.
I can suffer if the if it changes or whatever.
And government is very, very different.
Government is a gun at your head that you can't not only can you
not leave as Roger Veer just found out, but like you know,
they'll come after you decades later, they'll kick in your
door. They'll like it's government is
is is is is is dangerous. It's it's creepy in many ways.
I had a look to see if there were examples historically of
shall we say, I don't want to say countries, but let's say
regions that haven't had government and the Viking era is
of specific interest to me because they spent about 8 or
900 years fairly government free in in the Iceland region.
A lot of people don't know this, but there aren't that many
examples and I'm and I'm wondering why.
Well, so, so there are the the Iceland is a great example of
where there was, there was no government, but also Ireland is
probably the best example that had 9000 years.
And I think, you know, part of the reason was is that
government has been the biggest scam in history.
And it what it has done is it has allowed, you know, a very
small amount of people to amass tremendous, tremendous amounts
of wealth by stealing it from the population, concentrating it
in themselves. And they don't want there to be
examples of free market, you know, no government places on
the planet. And so, you know, Prosper right
now is under attack from the commie government of as an
example, is under attack from the commie government of
Honduras. When the Zetti Law was passed
and Prosper was incorporated, there was there was no, you
know, it was a probusiness, you know, pro growth, you know,
government was in place. Communists came to power and
they didn't want an example of a thriving, low cost, low
regulation, low tax, you know, example of prosperity literally
on their doors, not, not on their doorstep in the house.
Like, like you can go in that room and it's way better than
the rest of the house. And like what's going on in that
room? Well, they're letting people be
free. They're giving people more
freedom. They're not stealing as much of
the money. They don't have as much red
tape. And and that's, that's creating
prosperity, whereas your policies are impoverishing the
population. Honduras is, is, is frankly,
she's my language, a shithole other than prosper.
And there's, there's nice places in, in, in Honduras as well, but
you get the idea. The currency is worth the, the
Limpara is worth about four and a half cents to the US dollar.
There's not a lot of economic, you know, activity going on.
There's not a lot of companies that want to have their stuff
nationalised or, you know, be under the threat of the
nationalisation that Prosper is under.
And so outside of Prospera, there's very, you know, little
economically going on as exciting as what's going on in
Prospera. And I can tell you right now
that you'll get many people saying, but that's because of
foreign influence. But but the foreign influence is
governments. Well, it is, yes.
So, so it's not just by the way, so it's not just the government
of Honduras, it's also Cuba and Venezuela and China.
And so they don't want their to like like like none of the
governments, you know, to get back to the, you know the
answer, your your regular point. None of the governments that are
running government on their population and tax farming their
population and robbing and stealing and controlling their
population want people to know that you can have harmony and
prosperity without government. So that's not in their interest.
And so in the case of Prospera, it's not just the common
government of Honduras, it's also the common government of
Venezuela, the common government of Cuba and the common
government of China that have united and, and, and, and are,
and are opposed to having an example of, of a, of a thriving,
prosperous, free market alternative to government, you
know, on their doorstep. And so that's why I think that
anytime that there is a population somewhere, whether
it's the Indians in the United States or whether it's the Irish
that were crushed by the English, you know, we're going
to stamp that out so that people don't understand that you can
live in freedom without government.
Just for clarity, when we talk about government, what are we
talking about? We're talking about a group that
has given itself a monopoly of violence over a given
geographical area. And they claim this monopoly of
violence either through monarchy, the divine right of
kings. So like a, like you said, you
know, like a king can be a government.
In that case, the king says it's the divine right of kings.
In the case of, you know, most, you know, Western governments,
it's because of easily hijacked democracy.
And so we're going to, you know, we're going to have elections
that we're controlling, that it was our idea to have elections
and that we've got a disparity of campaign funds.
And through this easily rigged election cycle, we're going to
say, oh, we're in charge because the people elected us.
Even if you didn't vote, and even if you're 100% opposed to
what the government is doing, and even if you're sitting there
going, the whole thing's a scam, it's illegitimate.
And, and, and, and you know, one of the things I want, you know,
just to really emphasise with your audience is it is, is it is
impossible to have a legitimate government even with an
election, OK? Election is the political
equivalent of a gang rape or a lynching, OK.
Just because the majority wants to rob Peter to pay Paul or
wants to lynch black folks, it doesn't make it moral just
because the the the perpetrators outnumber their victim.
And if we're on an island and there's, you know, ten of us,
OK, and we have an election and we say these four have to do all
the work and they've got to pick all the coconuts and they got to
build and whatever. And we're going to go ahead and
kick back and we're going to, you know, not do it.
That doesn't mean that the four legitimately morally are now
required to pick all the coconuts and do all the work.
Just because six people voted that these four people have to
do all the work and, and, you know, it doesn't make it
legitimate. And so it doesn't matter if
there's 10 people or if there's, you know, 331 million in the
United States people, you know, there's no magical additional
person that makes something that is immoral and illogical now
moral and logical. So it has been the biggest scam
in history. It is government has been the
biggest scam in history. And they've gotten away with it
because they, you know, my new book really breaks it down.
They have, they've indoctrinated in the United States, you know,
especially they've indoctrinated it as a religion into the
population. So, so my new book to see the
cage is to leave it 25 techniques.
The few used to control the many.
They're using unethically manipulative techniques to get
people to, to associate themselves with the country and
with the government to so they can be tricked and tax farmed
and robbed and controlled. We just had the 4th, 4th of July
and I, you know, I'm sure people around the world have seen
pictures of Americans dressed ridiculously in the flag of the
system that is robbing and controlling them.
Because they've been, they've fallen for these techniques and
they have, they have subsumed themselves into this idea of
being not a free and independent human being, but being an
American or being a Britain or being a South African.
Or they've they've associated themselves with the government
in a way that allows the government to rob and tax farm
them. And they've actually
incorporated that into their identity.
And so So what what I'm exposing in my new book is that number
one, it there, these governments are tricking you into a
religious, you know, view of having a government so that they
can rob and tax from you. What happens to countries and
culture and, and, you know, roads and all those things that
that will come up, you know, in conversation.
So, so without a doubt, because the, the, the world has been
created in this hierarchical way, this top down, you know,
way there's, there's going to be transition costs and there's
going to be, there's going to be irregularities, we'll say in, in
transitioning to a new system, to getting away from government.
But that is something that we have to do because #1 not only
is government illegitimate, not only is it illogical, not only
is it immoral, but now here in the United States especially,
you know, government is robbing the population out of the value
of the currency, stealing the value of the currency in a way
that is quite destructive to the average person.
And so we had it pretty good for a long run here in the United
States where, you know, the, the, the government's thumb
wasn't as oppressive and wasn't as, you know, destructive as it
is now. But now, you know, there's
really no denying that we're, you know, we're in, we're in
double digit inflation here in the United States.
You know, we're, we're now seeing the value of the money
that we earn and save disappear, you know, like the do, you know,
like, like morning dew in the sun.
And so it is, it's now time to, you know, like, sorry
government, but you've got to go.
You didn't deliver the goods. You didn't do what you were
supposed to do. You didn't even, you know, the
government doesn't even in the United States doesn't even
respect the, the, the natural law rights that are enshrined in
the Bill of Rights, utterly ignores them at every step of
the, of the way. And so we, you know, there's,
there's a case to be made that, OK, it was an experiment.
It didn't work. Look good on paper.
The Constitution looks good on paper.
Sounds good. Doesn't work at all at all.
Doesn't protect individual rights, does not limit
government at all. Did not work at all.
There's nobody that can stand up and with a straight face say
that the Constitution has limited government in any way,
shape or form. And there's nobody that can
stand up with a straight face and say the government is
protected. Natural law, human rights, and
so it just doesn't work. And so it's got to go even if
there's transition costs. Now, what happens when you have
no no government? Does culture fall apart or does
it thrive? I think it flourishes.
And so, you know, right now we've got, you know, a top down,
you know, in many ways the, you know, the we've got this
weaponized media system where, you know, I believe that, that,
that, that, that, that, that you're seeing depravity and
you're seeing. So, you know, if you're running
slaves, if you're running, you know, nation of slaves, you
don't want them to be moral. You don't want them to be
upright. You know, you want them to be
drunk and drugged and, you know, you want them, you know, morally
compromised. And So what I believe is that
there's a kind of cultural debilitation go, you know,
programme that is going on from the monopoly media to to tear
down the culture in many ways. And so I think, you know, you
wouldn't see that, you know, you wouldn't see the monopolisation
of the media if it wasn't for fractional reserve banking.
You, you know, you just wouldn't see, you know, a small handful
of six companies dominating every single newspaper, radio
station, television station, movie theatre, movie, you know,
company streaming service, you know, the list goes on and on.
That is that so that that denigration of the culture is a
product of government is the child of government.
And without, without, you know, without that, that ability to
provide certain companies in the media unlimited funds to buy up
and dominate their own, you know, their competition, you
just would not see, you know, what we see today.
And so I think the culture would thrive if there was not this
level of monopolisation in the media.
But if governments are so susceptible to being manipulated
and bought, that suggests that they are organisations,
companies, corporations, whatever that are more powerful
than them. There's a good Facebook or
Amazon. You're, you're, you're making my
point exactly. I don't like, I don't believe
it's government at the top of the of the pyramid.
I think it's the banks at the top of the pyramid.
It's intergenerational, or we'll call it intergenerational
organised crime. Okay, that that figured out that
the most effective way to rob and control societies is using
the technique of government. And so the technique.
So, so they lobbied and bribed in the United States.
They lobbied and bribed the US government to pass the Federal
Reserve Act in 1913, which gave, which created a private central
bank that we were never supposed to have.
We'd had two other private central banks, the First Bank of
the United States, the Second Bank of the United States, both
of them were found to be corrupt.
They were both at the end, they had 20 year charters.
At the end of their twenty year charter, they were kicked out.
The Second Bank of the United States was kicked out by Andrew
Jackson, who famously said you are a den of Vipers.
I will route you out. And then they, the, the bankers
waited, you know, you know, a couple generations until people
had forgotten about the first bank in the United States and
the second bank in the United States.
And then they lobbied and bribed Congress to create the Federal
Reserve System. The Federal Reserve System sits
behind the banks and backstops the banks to engage in
fractional reserve banking to loan out money that they don't
have to create money out of thin air.
And so when you go to a bank to get a a consumer loan or a
mortgage or a car loan or whatever it is, they're not
loaning you depositor money. They just tickle the ivories on
the keyboard. They credit your account with
digital dollars. And then you spend, in the case
of like a mortgage, you might spend the rest of your life
paying back hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars
of interest. On a loan that they created out
of thin air and the astronomical profits that they make from that
system #1 would be impossible without government, because
government is the thing that that, you know, makes it legal.
But #2 that is, that gives them the, the ability to, you know,
to buy up the media. So the media never tells you how
that system is inherently criminal.
It's inherently unfair. It's on it's, it's bad for the
economy. It's bad for, you know, human
beings. And so, so the government is a
creature of the banks, the media and the corporations are a
creature of the banks in many ways, the ones that have been
bought up by the these fractional reserve dollars.
And the world would not look like this if it was not for the
the ability of these banks to create money out of thin air,
even though it's inflationary and even though it's stealing
the value out of everybody elses money.
And so that's why you're seeing prices rise.
It's because the, you know, absent this crooked monetary
system, your dollar or your Deutsche mark or your yen or
your pound should be buying more and more and more and more each
year if it wasn't for this criminal crooked monetary
system. So how do we get to a point
without government? Well, what I believe is because
it has been the biggest scam in history, OK, most and and also
so so I'm very optimistic. I'm, I'm, you know, I'm an
optimist and what I've discovered in doing what I do is
that, you know, once you, once people realise that it's a scam,
it's something that, that at the, the Art of Liberty
Foundation, which is, which is my nonprofit, we're a startup
voluntarious think tank. We're spreading these
voluntarious ideas around the world.
We call it the one way revolution.
Because once you realise and you get it, really get somebody
really gets it in their, in their, in their, in their mind
and they really understand, hey, oh wow, there's no way to have a
legitimate moral government. The only moral and effective way
is real freedom and real freedom produces the goods.
And so it produces more harmony, it produces more prosperity.
It lifts people out of poverty. You know, like once they get
that, well, that's the good karma alternative to government.
If you're voting for, for government, whether you're
voting for Republicans or Democrats or Labour or, you
know, the Tories of the Conservatives or whatever it is,
you're advocating violence on your fellow man.
You're advocating violence on your friends, your family, your
colleagues that disagree and, and, and say, Oh no, but we, we
don't really need to have government.
There's no, there's no karmic debt to being a voluntaryist.
It's the good karma alternative. You're not trying to impose your
ruler over anybody else. You're saying, hey, the world's
a self organising place. It produces spontaneous order.
Everything the government does would be done better, faster and
cheaper by the free market. We should just leave everybody
alone. Quit trying to impose your ruler
on somebody else. And so that's, that's good
karmically and it produces the goods and it leads to harmony
and prosperity. And so once people figure that
out, very few go back to believing in in government
because nobody likes to get tricked, nobody likes to get
fooled, nobody likes to, you know, And so like, especially
once you realise that the government is running these
unethically manipulative techniques, well, who's who?
Who's going to support that? So it really is a one way
revolution and I think it's going to eventually sweep
through not just the United States, but the world.
I think that the the scam of government will be exposed for
all to see and people will abandon it because nobody likes
to be tricked. Nobody likes to be chumped.
Nobody likes to have game run on them.
Yes, but that sounds very abstract.
What are actual ways to to delegitimize the government?
So one of them I'm guessing from what you just said now would
would be to stop voting? Stop voting is 1 because you're
legitimising the government. But what I like to, you know,
what I like to do is I just like to throw like a little, you
know, sand in the gears every time that I can.
And so, you know, one of the things that I do is I, I pay in
cash everywhere I go. I try and pay in cash almost
everywhere I go. And when I give somebody the
cash, I go, you know, I'm giving, you know, I like to pay
cash because now you don't have to share it with the lying,
thieving, stealing government. And so if everybody is just one,
you know, example to your question is there, if everybody
paid cash, then more mom and pop, you know, grocery stores
and and, and and gas stations and guitar teachers and whatever
it is, would be able to keep more of their money from
themselves. They wouldn't have to declare it
to the government. You know, that would starve the
government. You know, you're starving the
banks. They're not getting the, you
know, 1.5 to 2.5% that you would give them in a credit card
transaction. The merchant gets to keep an
additional 1.5 to 2.5% that would have gone to the banks.
And so little things like, you know, and it makes it harder for
governments to bring in CBD CS, it makes it harder to track and
trace your purchases. There's just all these like good
things that that happen when you use cash.
And so using cash is, is one example of something that you
can do to destabilise the state that doesn't cost you any money
and that, you know, is is, you know, helps all of the local
merchants in your area. The money circulates in the
economy more than if it, you know, went out the door and an
electronic payment. And so, so that's one example.
Use gold, gold backs use barter silver here in the United
States, we, there's actually money starting to circulate in
the different states that is flexible spendable gold.
And so I'm, I'm holding up some of these.
These are 24 karat and gold and encased in a, you know, in a, in
a, in a polymer. This one is 1/2 thousandth of an
ounce of gold. This one is 11 thousandth of an
ounce of gold and this one is 1 100th of an ounce of gold.
So it's like a little bit bigger and and a little bit thicker
than some of the smaller ones, but you know, use alternative
currencies that are going up in value that are inflation proof.
And then that takes away part of the, you know, the power of the
government as one example of of, you know, what you can do to
destabilise it since I have my wallet open.
Another example is so I back up my book with these credit card
size flash drives. And so this is so you get a copy
of the book and, and documentaries and everything
that is being censored by Facebook and YouTube and, and
you know, other social media sites and X and Twitter and
everything like that. I put it on a flash drive that
you can carry in your wallet and you can be at a friend's house
and you can say, Hey, download this and you're able to exchange
censor proof censorship. You know, you're able to get
around the censorship. And then once somebody has, we
call them a Liberator. When somebody has a Liberator,
they are, they are authorised and encouraged to make copies
for your friends. And so you can go to eBay and
you can buy. And people do this all the time.
People come up to me at, at, at, you know, at conferences or
events and they say, Hey, I discovered your work because I
was at a liberty get together and somebody came in and threw
down 30 flash drives and everybody took 1.
And I, and I read your book on the drive and like I now I know
government's a scam. And, and so, so, so these are
just little ways that you can fight back.
You can get around the censorship and you know, you can
have a better, you know, people are using my book is curriculum
and homeschooling to explain to their kids the scam of
government and so that they're so their kids never, you know,
are are exposed, you know, never go through the mental slavery
and it is a mental slavery of Gubanare Mente, you know, the
root words of government Gubanare to control or or govern
and mente the mind control the mind.
And so so that that system that is allowed, you know, like like
if you never grow up under that, you know, that's the one way
revolution. And so, so these are just a few,
you know, small examples of how you can fight back easily are.
You a fan of Bitcoin? I'm a fan of cryptocurrency.
I think that, you know, like we could have a, we could do an
entire show on my thoughts on Bitcoin, but I actually believe
that Bitcoin was created by the NSA.
The NSA, the the the United States, one of the spy agencies
that deals with cryptography and breaking cryptography and things
like that is called the National Security Agency.
And they published a white paper that has since been declassified
called How to Make a Mint, the Cryptography of Anonymous
Electronic Cash. A decade before Satoshi
published his white paper on Bitcoin that the crypto
anarchists were already trying to solve the problem of
stateless money, of inflation proof, stateless money with E
gold and digit cash and other, you know, crypto projects.
And so I think the NSA front ran them, you know, with this
anonymous Satoshi Nakamoto, you know, white paper.
But in that, in that NSA white paper, how to make a mint, they
actually outline the blockchain and the wallet.
And so, so I think they they front ran what was already going
on. There was already crypto
anarchists that were working on the problem of stateless money.
And so I think they wanted to get ahead of, of, of the parade,
but I'm, I'm a fan of having a free market and money and crypto
is essentially a free market and money.
And and so you're, you're, you know, I'm not that like I own
Bitcoin. I sell my books for Bitcoin.
I've been selling my books for cryptocurrency and gold backs
and, and, and, and barter silver for years.
And so I've done very, very well with that.
But it is but like I'm, but I do believe that it is the NSA in
the background. And I think you're now starting
to see that because it is a public blockchain, it can be
surveilled. It can, you can't do block
analysis on it. You can't fit, you know, you
can't figure out what everybody has.
It can be track traced and controlled.
So I like the privacy coins like like Monero, Epic cash, other
privacy coins better than I like Bitcoin for some reasons,
Although I am benefiting from bitcoins rise in the sense that
I own some of it and, and it's, it's doing well because the
system is, is stealing the oxygen from the other coins with
Bitcoin, They're they're, they're all in on it together at
a certain, certain degree. And it's been chosen the winner
because it doesn't threaten the central banks because it's so
slow and the transaction fees are so high that I think that's
the reason it was chosen because it did not really threaten the
the banks immediately. The way that different
currencies that had, you know, better privacy features or had
lower transaction costs or had, you know, or had faster
settlements, you know, would have actually threatened the
dollar. So we'll, we'll steal all the
oxygen out of those coins and we'll bring, you know, all the
focus on this one cryptocurrency that is essentially broken, that
is not really going to threaten the the dollar system in the
short term. And then that gives us time to,
to, you know, to, to build out what we want to build out, which
is using Bitcoin to, to tax, trace and surveil the
population. An observation that that you
might share is there is a very strange type of Messiah complex,
saviour complex going on in the world.
Trump, for example, he's going to save us.
And so it's one of the techniques in my new book that I
discuss to see the cages to leave it.
And so one of the 2025 techniques is that people that
human beings, we touched on this a second ago, but human beings
are predisposed to have a leader.
And that's called evolutionary leader theory in psychology.
And the idea is that that, you know, we're, we, we, we have a,
we're a tribal system. And so the, the country is the
artificial tribe. But in, in the tribe, it was an
evolutionary advantage to have a strong leader.
And so human beings, unless you yourself are a leader, you are
innately predisposed to want to have a leader.
And so this organised crime system understands behavioural
psychology. And So what they're going to do
is they're going to give the population a choice between red
leader and blue leader. And then because human beings
need to have a leader, many, many human beings feel and
believe in their heart of hearts that they have to have a leader.
They're going to infuse their identity with their preferred
leader, not understanding that it's a complete fake choice.
It's a, it's what's called a Hobson's choice.
Old man Hopson ran a livery stable.
You could rent any stable, you could have any, rent any horse
in the stable as long as it was the black one at the end of the,
at the end of the stalls. And so Hopson's choice is a fake
choice. And so the so the this organised
crime system is going to give you blue leader or red leader,
but the reality is, is that both blue leader and red leader are
100% aligned on all of the issues that are important to the
ruling system. And then they squabble over kind
of hot button issues that don't really matter to the rulers, but
they can get the population all hot and bothered, whether it's,
you know, transgender issues or whether it's abortion or, you
know, like different things like that.
They'll, they'll, you know, they'll fight over those issues.
But both the Republicans and the Democrat at the, at the
leadership level in Washington, DC, they're 100% aligned on
fractional reserve banking. They're 100% line aligned on
confiscatory taxation. They're 100% aligned on them
giving the orders and you taking them.
They're 100% lined on endless wars.
They're 100% lined on our support for Israel.
They're 100% aligned on a great many things that aren't in the,
you know, aren't in the interests of the population.
And, you know, years ago we had a, you know, we had a, you know,
we had a, the banks were proposing a bailout of $750
billion that, according to Bloomberg, ended up being $29
trillion. And the population was opposed
to it. Like some, somewhere around 90%
of the population was opposed to bailing out the banks and giving
the banks a nickel. And the politicians did it
anyway. And so there is no, you know,
there is no real democracy. There is no real, you know,
electing a representative. It's 100% rigged system.
There's no way to win it. The only way to win is not to
play. The system has created such a
beautiful confusion within the population.
Well, Sue, Sue, you know, and I break it down in the book again.
And so if you're controlling the information that society
receives through this monopoly media system, you can make them
believe a great many things. You can make them believe that
tariffs are, are are are are good for American manufacturing
and American jobs and everything, even though it's
essentially A stealth tax. And I believe that they're
actually going with the tariffs because it's because so many
people in the United States are not paying their income tax.
10's and 10s of millions of people are not paying their
income tax that it's easier for them to get their their hand
around the throat of the importer or the exporter than it
is that for, you know, to try and run around to the 10s of
millions of people in the United States that aren't paying their
income tax and trying to, you know, like collect back China.
And so it's just wait, yeah, yeah.
So like, so they're so, so now the population, not only do they
have, do they still have the income tax, but now they've got
these tariffs. And I got news for you, you
know, you know, Joe 6 pack and Jane bag lunch, that tariff, the
companies don't pay the tariff. The companies pass along the
cost of the tariff on to you and higher prices.
And so you're the one that's paying the tariff.
You're the one. It's just a tax.
It's a hidden tax. And so, you know, a lot of the
population doesn't understand that because the television is
telling them one thing and they're there.
They're having the information about the reality of the
situation controlled to them. And if you don't understand that
that's going on, you're crippled.
You're not even in the game. You don't, you're not even on
the field if you don't understand how they're
controlling the population with the screens and being able to
manipulate the information that the society receives.
Thieves, right here is the pirate signal.
This is the Nebuchadnezzar, you know, surfacing.
You're getting, you know, actual like, you know, truth that
you're not going to get on the mainstream media.
You're never going to see on the mainstream media or the
mainstream alternative media, voluntarist ideas.
You're never going to see on the mainstream media somebody
telling you that the government itself is inherently immoral,
illogical and illegitimate. You're just never going to see
that. And so it's only through these
pirate broadcasts that you know, that that we're getting truth to
the people. And I think in the information
age, ultimately, we're going to power over the mainstream media.
There's so many podcasts, there's so many people that are
now, you know, telling what they know and exposing the scam of
government and the legitimacy of government and the criminality
of government, that there's no way to hide it in the
information age. And so I think we win in the end
because there's just no way to stop the signal.
And there also are some good books that go back a few decades
that are worth reading. Also, Adam Smith I think wrote
some good stuff. So did Murray Rothbard, Ludwig
von Mises, Hayek, Friedrich Hayek, and even and even a
little bit of Milton Friedman. I have most of those on the
Liberator. So, so, so, so again, so there's
no way to stop the signal. There's no way to stop somebody
handing A Liberator to a friend or a family member or a
colleague and saying this is the information that is being hidden
from society, you know, and and not only you know, can you have
it, but you can make copies for your friends and your colleagues
and, and family as well. And so there's no way to stop
the signal in the information age.
Well you have plugged your your your book quite a lot SO11 last
time. How can I follow your work?
So so the so the the new So the my original book is government,
the biggest scam in history exposed.
It's been the best selling book at over two dozen liberty
conferences and events. We've sold 7000 cop hard copies
to 25 plus countries where people are frequently paying
more than the cost of the book and postage and shipping
handling. We're now getting it onto
Amazon. We just and so we're going to
have it in in foreign distribution and in in a number
of a number of weeks. That's governmenthyphenscam.com.
The new book is to see the cage is to leave it 25 techniques,
the few used to control the many and that is it.
See thecage.com. My organisation is called the
Art of Liberty Foundation. We're a startup, voluntary as
think tank. We're exposing the illegitimacy
and the criminality of government from a principled
voluntary as standpoint. That's at artofliberty.org and
you can get most of my articles for free on my sub stack at ART
ofliberty.substack.com. You know, in, in four years of
doing this, I've never, I've never had anybody that's, that's
challenged me on the legitimacy and, and, and desirability and
the necessity of having a government.
And I've offered to debate people and, and, and I actually,
I would, I'd love to actually have some, somebody actually
debate me on the basis of of what I'm saying.
It's not like And so I think. It's not like somebody's going
to going to listen to this and go, Nah, I want more government
in my life. It is, it has been the biggest
scam in history and I think more and more people are realising
that every day. And it's only, and this
revolution is only going in One Direction and we win in the end.
And so it's a it's a good news message.
All right, well. Etienne de la Bousis squared,
thank you for joining me in the trenches.
It has been a pleasure and I look forward to our next
conversation.