1 00:00:38,510 --> 00:00:41,710 I butchered this last time, hopefully I won't butcher this 2 00:00:41,710 --> 00:00:44,560 time. Etienne de la Boutique squared, 3 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:46,960 thank you for joining me in the trenches. 4 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:52,120 Did I get it right? You did, and it's a pleasure to 5 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,640 be with you and your audience. You know, for your audience that 6 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,480 might not be familiar with my work, I'm an author and my first 7 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:04,599 book was called Government, the Biggest Scam in History, which I 8 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,680 did, which which took quite some time to make it to South Africa. 9 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,400 Took six months and this shit six months. 10 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,240 No, but that's because I told you you should. 11 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,320 You shouldn't use the standard Postal Service. 12 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:19,480 It'll never, it'll never arrive. Well, I mean you know example of 13 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,800 voluntarism in action. We started with the with the 14 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,480 Postal Service. After 5 1/2 months of failure 15 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:33,040 and book being returned to me here in the United States, we 16 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,200 tried again with a private company, Federal Express, and 17 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,120 Federal Express was able to get it there. 18 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,400 Almost seven weeks, so four or five days. 19 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,760 Volunteerism in action. Pardon, four or five days. 20 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,600 It was very quick. Yeah, yeah, it does. 21 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,040 It does. It did take a little bit but but 22 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,960 they made it where the government was unable to to get 23 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,560 the job done. Etienne, this is a conversation 24 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,120 that I've been having a few times since 2020. 25 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,920 When we realised that there wasn't too much difference 26 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,120 though between governments and corporations in the private 27 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,480 sector, I mean, you have, you have so much collusion going on. 28 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,480 And so, so I agree with that, but also what I think that 29 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,080 you're seeing, you know, especially here in the United 30 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,920 States, is you're not seeing really a true free market. 31 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:28,320 What you're seeing is crony capitalism and that crony 32 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,840 capitalism starts with the banks being able to create money out 33 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,640 of thin air using a technique called fractional reserve 34 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:39,160 banking. And, and So what, what I believe 35 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,760 is going on in the case that I make in government, the biggest 36 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,680 scam in history and, and in my new book to see the cages to 37 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,280 leave it is that the, the banks are creating money out of thin 38 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:55,320 air and they're providing unlimited capital to favoured 39 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,360 corporations to buy up and to dominate their own little, you 40 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,840 know, corner of the economy. And This is why you're seeing 41 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,960 the monopolisation. This is why you're seeing the 42 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,320 chain stores. It's not free market. 43 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,240 It's not even capitalism. Technically it would be called 44 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,880 crony capitalism. And there's a fascistic 45 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,360 component. So the, so the government and 46 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,800 the, the corporations have partnered politically where 47 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,240 certain corporations are getting, you know, contracts 48 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,320 and, and you know, we're buying weapon systems that we don't 49 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,600 need for wars based on lies and manufactured intelligence and, 50 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,320 and just so that we can have wars and sell weapon systems. 51 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,560 And you would not see that in a true free market. 52 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,880 You would not see that in a voluntary world. 53 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,240 It really, you know, both the, the monopolisation of 54 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,200 everything, the cartelization of the, of these companies, you 55 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,400 know, that really is the product of allowing the banks to create 56 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,000 money out of thin air and being able to pick the winners in the 57 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,040 economy. And so like, I don't think it's 58 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,880 free market and I don't think it's capitalism. 59 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:07,120 For my UK column audience who might not know your work, what 60 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,720 is your? General thing So. 61 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,320 So I'm a voluntarist. A voluntarist is someone that 62 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,839 does not believe in the legitimacy, the necessity or the 63 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,440 desirability of having a government and believes that all 64 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,280 relationships between people should be voluntary. 65 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,880 And so, so nobody has rights that other people don't. 66 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,440 Nobody has an exemption for morality, especially the 67 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,120 government. And there's a little bit of an 68 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,000 understanding of kind of like economics in the sense that, you 69 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,840 know, you, there's an understanding there that the, 70 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,720 that the free market would provide everything that 71 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,840 governments provide. You know, the, you know, armed 72 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:50,320 Protective Services, they call the police or dispute 73 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,080 resolution, they call the courts or, you know, running the, the 74 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,200 air traffic control system, name it. 75 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,040 Everything the government does would be done better, faster and 76 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,760 cheaper by the free market. And everybody would be 77 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:07,080 dramatically wealthier If the, if the, if the, you know, if we 78 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,800 had true free market money, that the money should be gaining 79 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,440 value every single year and buying more and more as 80 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,760 productivity improvements and innovations reduce the cost of 81 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,920 either manufacturing or distributing the luxuries and 82 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,560 necessities of life. And so, so that my, my book 83 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,000 government, the biggest Scam in history makes the case that 84 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,240 government has been the biggest scam in all of human history. 85 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,120 And that the subtitle is how intergenerational organised 86 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,080 crime runs the government, the media and academia. 87 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,000 And my thesis is, is that they get away with it because they're 88 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,680 controlling the information that society receives about the 89 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,480 legitimacy of government, about the necessity of government, 90 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,040 about the desirability of government, because they're, you 91 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,200 know, controlling the information you receive in the 92 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,360 mandatory government school or in the accredited private 93 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,880 school. They're controlling the 94 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,160 information that you receive over a monopoly media system. 95 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:10,680 And so, you know, that, you know, globally, you know, in the 96 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,120 United States especially, there's about 6 companies 97 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,000 running hundreds and hundreds of subsidiaries on the old school 98 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,120 media side. You know, the newspapers, the 99 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,440 radio stations, the television stations, every channel. 100 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,560 Government is legitimate. Government is legitimate. 101 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,440 Government is legitimate. And what I expose in the new 102 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,240 book is that, you know, that Hollywood is making the 103 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:36,400 government the hero in movies and television shows, their 104 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,440 product, placing the flag at moments of high positive 105 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,520 emotion. Their control. 106 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,320 Not only are they, you know, kind of controlling the 107 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,040 information just to say that it's legitimate, but they're 108 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,160 actually pulling on the heartstrings in the dramas and 109 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,040 in the movies to make the government seem like it is the 110 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,920 good guys. And they're out there saving the 111 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,200 world. Whether it's Tom Cruise saving 112 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,040 the world and Mission Impossible or Tom Cruise saving the world 113 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,200 and Top Gun Maverick or, you know, Mulder and Scully, you 114 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,440 know, of the FBI, you know, saving the world. 115 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,280 You know, from the FBI standpoint, whatever it is, you 116 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,920 know, it's a trick. And so government is, and it 117 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,320 isn't really government because, you know, you can think of 118 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,880 government as a tool of what I call intergenerational organised 119 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,720 crime. People that long ago, centuries 120 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,360 ago figured out how to use government and control of 121 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,480 perception to rob the population. 122 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,280 But we're, but it's, it's essentially, it's always 123 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,120 illegitimate. It's impossible to have a 124 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,440 legitimate moral government. You can't delegate rights you 125 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,160 don't have yourself. You can't be bound by a social 126 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,000 contract you didn't sign. If you know my fiance and myself 127 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,760 can't vote to rob Jeremy because there's two of us and one of 128 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,040 him. It doesn't matter if there's 330 129 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,640 million of us. There's no magical additional 130 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,160 person that makes something immoral now moral. 131 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:07,560 And so it has been the biggest scam in all of human history. 132 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,360 And it is a way of robbing and tax farming populations and 133 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,480 controlling populations. And that money is being 134 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,720 extracted out the back door. It's being extracted from the 135 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,640 banks being able to steal the value out of people's money 136 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,280 using fractional reserve banking. 137 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,480 It's being extracted by the weapons systems that we don't 138 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,280 need to fight wars based on lies manufactured, you know, 139 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,960 intelligence. It's extracted through mandatory 140 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,440 vaccinations that actually harm your kids instead of help your 141 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,600 kids. It's extracted and ethanol 142 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,840 subsidies and other, you know, subsidies to big AG players. 143 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,360 It's extracted in a, you know, in a monopoly medical system 144 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,000 where the doctors are essentially trained by the 145 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,200 Pharmaceutical industry to be pill pushers and, and, and, and, 146 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,000 and have, you know, regulated medicine where, where only 147 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,760 allopathic medicine is, is, is is allowed to, you know, be 148 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,760 taught in medical schools or to be, you know, reimbursed by 149 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,200 insurance or Medicare or Medicaid. 150 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,600 And only AMA allopathic doctors have the ability to prescribe. 151 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,920 And so there's all these different ways that government 152 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,920 has structured society to hurt the population, to keep them 153 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,920 dumbed down so that they can be robbed and they can be tax 154 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,120 farmed. And I'm exposing that with kind 155 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,680 of these easy to read picture books that take people from kind 156 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:32,800 of zero to 60. It's not really a picture book, 157 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,760 but it's, there's a lot of memes, there's a lot of 158 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,480 visualisations, there's a lot of media ownership charts because 159 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,440 most people are visual learners and they come to insight much 160 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,240 quicker if you show them a visualisation of what I just 161 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,920 talked about with, you know, with the media ownership. 162 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,800 And so I'm waking people up and I'm providing tools for you to 163 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,800 wake up your friends, your family and your your colleagues 164 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,000 to what's really going on. Just quickly, before we go any 165 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,800 further, I can guarantee you that if I don't ask you this, 166 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,080 I'm going to get emails about it. 167 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,000 But your name Etienne Della Boutique Squared. 168 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:10,400 It's obviously a parody. Well, it's a, it's a nom de 169 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,480 plume or a nom de guerre. It's a, it's a pen name or war 170 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,920 name. And so the original Etienne de 171 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,280 la Buici squared was a French political philosopher. 172 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,000 He wrote in the 16th century, and he was really one of the 173 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,880 first to really expose the tricks and the techniques that 174 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,880 governments use, not just to get obedience, because obedience is 175 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,120 kind of easy. If you've got a whip or a gun or 176 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,160 a, you know, you know, you're able to dominate, but to get 177 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,880 adoration and fealty and, you know, everybody wants to go to 178 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,480 the White House and hang out with the president. 179 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:47,240 And, you know, all hail the, you know, all hail the chief and God 180 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,960 save the queen. And we love our rulers. 181 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:55,040 And so he exposed back in the 1500s, he exposed the playbook 182 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:59,360 that rulers were using, not just in the 1500s, but some of the 183 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,800 techniques that he outlined in his book A Discourse on 184 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,000 Voluntary Servitude. Some of those techniques were 185 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,320 already 1000 plus years old and some of those techniques are 186 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,800 still being used today. And so when I started, when I 187 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,920 wrote my first book, I had kids in the government school system. 188 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,640 And so I didn't want them to get, I was divorced, my wife had 189 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,120 them in the government school system. 190 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,760 I personally would rather my children be uneducated than 191 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:32,120 educated by the state. But she waged law fair and and 192 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,960 had, you know, custody and, and put them in the government 193 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,880 school system against my will. But I didn't want them to get 194 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,840 heat for what dad was doing. And so I used the nom de plume. 195 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,160 They're now one of them is out of college and one was about to 196 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,320 graduate. I can go back to my real name. 197 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,200 My real name is Howard. I'll just say that. 198 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,880 But like now everybody knows me is at TN Daylight. 199 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,080 But we see squared and if you put in the number 2, then you 200 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,640 find me versus the at the end of. 201 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,600 But we see if you put in the number 2, you find me versus 202 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,520 the, you know, 16th century French political philosophy. 203 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,320 I asked you if I butchered it and I did butcher it and you 204 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,840 said I said it correctly. It's worthy, not worthy. 205 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,400 No, no, it can be either Bowie C or Bowie T And so I've actually, 206 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:23,000 you know, I've actually had, you know, different actual French 207 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,360 citizens tell me both ways. But the one that told me Bowie 208 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,400 C, he was actually wearing a beret. 209 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,520 And so I took his, you know, he's got to be French if he's 210 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,240 wearing a beret And so like. And a commie. 211 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,200 It wasn't a red beret. I'll tell you a little bit of 212 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,880 trivia that you probably don't know. 213 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:52,320 Bootie BOET i.e. in Afrikaans means little brother. 214 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,920 Just thought I'd tell you that. Oh that's cool. 215 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,840 I've heard that Etienne is the English equivalent of Stephen, 216 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,440 but I've never heard that Bootie is brothers, so that's kind of 217 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,720 cool as well. The multi layered opening that 218 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,320 you gave me, we have to clarify a few things. 219 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:15,040 So you talk about volunteerism, voluntaryism, which is another 220 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,520 way of saying anarchism, but that's got a bad connotation, 221 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,760 doesn't it? Well, it has a bad connotation 222 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:28,880 because the rulers so so. Anarchy means no rulers doesn't 223 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,880 mean no rules, it just means no rulers. 224 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,640 But because the rulers don't want the population to know that 225 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,240 there's an option on the menu called no rulers. 226 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:43,440 The rulers have used this media system, this monopoly media 227 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,200 system, OK, and even control of the dictionary, which I 228 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,960 breakdown in my book government, the biggest scam in history. 229 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:55,920 And I and I actually show, you know, compare the, the 1827 230 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,520 definition of the word anarchy from the Webster's dictionary 231 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,480 with the modern, you know, version from Merriam Webster. 232 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,680 So you can see how it's been changed over time to chaos and 233 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,680 dystopia. And so the rulers don't want the 234 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:14,840 population to know that, that you don't really need rulers 235 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,440 because if it was between rulers and no rulers, then they would 236 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:24,000 probably choose no rulers. And so the rulers have used this 237 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,400 monopoly media system to, to and control of the dictionary. 238 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,680 So the so, so you know, the Merriam Webster dictionary is, 239 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,120 is, is owned by Encyclopaedia Britannica, which is owned by 240 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,160 the Safra banking family. And once the Safra banking 241 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,640 family took it over, they put one of the heads, I think it was 242 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,200 Leslie Gelb, one of the past presidents of the Council on 243 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,040 Foreign Relations, on the editorial Advisory Board. 244 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,320 And this is 1 of this is, you know, another example of how 245 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:02,600 moneyed interests can control the information that you receive 246 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,000 by controlling things like the dictionary and the encyclopaedia 247 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:12,600 to make, you know, the to make, quote unquote, anarchy look bad. 248 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,320 I like to use volunteerism, which means the same, 249 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,920 essentially the same thing. You know, it's, it's a world 250 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,640 without rulers, but it doesn't have the number one. 251 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:29,160 It doesn't have the same baggage that that the word anarchy has. 252 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,600 So you don't have to explain to somebody. 253 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,040 No, I'm not the kind of anarchist that you see in the 254 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,600 media, you know, dressed in black, throwing, you know, 255 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,560 petrol, you know, bottles flaming, you know, Molotov 256 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,000 cocktails through windows. I'm actually like, you know, 257 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,280 I'm, I'm into economics and, and I think that it would, that a 258 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,680 world without government, everyone would be, you know, 259 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,160 dramatically wealthier and there would be more harmony in the 260 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,040 world because you're not having to fight over control of the 261 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,000 school board. You know, at the election level, 262 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,960 where if you lose at the, at the local level on the school board, 263 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,360 your kid gets taught critical race theory or gets taught LBGQT 264 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,400 studies, or if you're in Detroit, gets taught Islamic 265 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,720 studies or whatever it is. And so, so you would just buy 266 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,920 your child whatever kind of education that you want. 267 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,520 You could get a Montessori, you could get them, you know, 268 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,800 Waldorf, you could get them Acton Academy. 269 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,520 You could get, you know, self directed learning. 270 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,080 You can get vocational school. There's no reason for us to be 271 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,640 fighting over many of the things that we fight at at the ballot 272 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,440 box. And you know, one of the other 273 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:47,040 problems with government is it's it is unbelievably easy for 274 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:52,680 monied interests to hijack the election in a variety of ways. 275 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,760 Here in the United States, we vote on unauditable black box 276 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,840 voting machines and with mail in ballots that are both notorious 277 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,400 black box voting machines for the ability to be hijacked and 278 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,640 hacked at the central tabulator and have, you know, have, have 279 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,680 the vote totals changed in real time. 280 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,359 And with, with, with, you know, with mail in ballots, you know, 281 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,599 anybody can arrive at the courthouse with a big sack of 282 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:21,520 ballots and throw off an election. 283 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:25,319 And so it's, it's just, it's the worst way to organise society. 284 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:27,599 It's the dumbest way to organise society. 285 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:30,400 It is, it doesn't produce the goods. 286 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,240 You don't get good outcomes. And I think, I think people are 287 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,520 starting to realise that, that, that you're, they're not getting 288 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,200 the outcome that they want. No matter how hard they vote, 289 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,160 Jeremy, they're not getting the outcome that they want. 290 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,600 And so I think, you know, I think it's, it's it's 291 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,120 definitely, it seems to be the fastest growing political, you 292 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:52,960 know, movement in the United States as far as I can tell. 293 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,080 So I, I think democracy just as a concept is a sham anyway. 294 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,120 I don't, I don't buy into it at all. 295 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,120 Hans Hermann Hopp wrote a great book called Democracy, the God 296 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:10,360 that Failed. And he, he kind of makes an 297 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:14,720 argument that on the face of it seems to challenge what you're 298 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,800 saying. He, he suggests that natural 299 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:21,400 order is obviously the best type of, of governance of people, 300 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,760 which which you know, would be order that's just naturally 301 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,480 created. But with that not around, 302 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,360 monarchy, he he suggests, is a better system because it's 303 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:35,480 private ownership of of property. 304 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,320 Correct. And so in in that book, you 305 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,160 know, he makes the case that, you know, the monarch has a long 306 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:49,480 term interest in his Kingdom, whereas in democracy, you know, 307 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,800 these these politicians, they only get elected, you know, for 308 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,360 two to four years. They may be out of office in two 309 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:58,320 to four years. And so they have a very short 310 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,840 timeline and they're, they're going to steal everything they 311 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,880 can for themselves while they're, while they're in power. 312 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,880 And so that, that, that, that, that, that that long term 313 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,600 interest that you, you get, you actually get better outcomes 314 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,840 because the monarch has a long term interest in his Kingdom 315 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,840 versus the, the the elected politician has a very short 316 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,560 timeline. Yes, but I was making the point 317 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,600 that that monarchy is still a type of government. 318 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:31,600 I guess you could argue that it's voluntary in the sense that 319 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,160 you don't have to live in in that monarchy, but it is 320 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:40,440 nonetheless privately owned. Right, right. 321 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:46,000 And by the way, so now there are also examples of privately owned 322 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,640 essentially countries or free private cities. 323 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,400 And so in, in March of this year, we were in Prospera, you 324 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,160 know, on the Isle of Rotan off the coast of Honduras, where 325 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,280 where, you know, a, a group of private investors and 326 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,640 businessmen negotiated a sovereignty from the, the 327 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,880 government of Honduras and what's called a zed a or a zone 328 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,840 of economic development, you know, within the country where 329 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,280 the laws of Honduras do not apply. 330 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,840 And you have a private government in many ways, like, 331 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,640 you know, like a monarchy, but so that so that but it's but you 332 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,440 know, there is a level of democracy in that, you know, 333 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,160 people can make proposals for things and there are there, 334 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,560 there's a level of elected representation, but they don't. 335 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:35,760 But they're providing governance as a service, unlike, you know, 336 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,600 so you're, you're, you're opting in to live in Prospera, You're 337 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,440 agreeing to certain things, kind of like a, in an HOA, you know, 338 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,320 I'm not going to, you know, if you, if you opt into an HOA, 339 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:48,960 you're not going to paint your house pink. 340 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,720 You're not going to, you know, leave cars in your front yard. 341 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,120 And you're, you're going to accept, you know, reasonable 342 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:59,640 rules to coexist, you know, with your, with your neighbours. 343 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,160 But people are now, you know, moving with their feet and 344 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,200 saying, hey, I'd rather live under a private government that 345 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,720 guarantees me that they're never going to raise my tax. 346 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,840 And by the way, Prospera has one of the lowest effective tax 347 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,360 rates on the planet. And so it's a 5% income tax. 348 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:23,600 It's a 1% tax on, on business, on business and a 2.5% retail 349 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,000 sales tax. And people are saying, hey, and 350 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,440 they have, you know, way better rules way better, you know, less 351 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,080 regulation, less bureaucracy, less red tape, no monopolies. 352 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,680 Like it's a way better form of government than than, than 353 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,920 anything that's out there. And it's voluntary. 354 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,360 And people are starting to vote with their feet and they're 355 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:46,640 moving to these jurisdictions, you know, in the United States, 356 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,560 people are moving to, you know, I'm, I'm actually in Florida 357 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,320 right now because we're contemplating moving to Florida 358 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,880 and we're looking around on my, we, we're talking about Miami. 359 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,520 I'm on my way to Miami. We're, we're looking for, for, 360 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,560 you know, community to live in and in Florida, because it's one 361 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,920 of the top five freest states in the United States. 362 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,720 And what we're doing, what we're seeing is we're seeing people in 363 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,120 the United States vote with their feet and they're moving 364 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:13,240 from places like New York and Massachusetts and California, 365 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,920 and they're moving to places like New Hampshire where the 366 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,840 Free State Project is. They're moving to Texas, 367 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,880 Florida, Idaho. And U.S. states have way more 368 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:29,480 individual freedom, personal freedom, less taxes, less 369 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,720 regulations. And so so you're seeing that 370 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,520 happen not just the United States, but around the world. 371 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,200 But that's one exam. I'm a living example of that. 372 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,040 I'm on a, you know, a community hunting trip to Florida right 373 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,880 now and I'm living in a state called Tennessee, which is also 374 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,160 one of the top five freest states in the United States. 375 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,320 And so, so you know, I, you know, it's, it's a, it's a 376 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,440 dynamic, I think that's going on everywhere. 377 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:05,360 The reason why I brought up Hans Herman hops work is because it 378 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:11,440 kind of implies that humans want governance. 379 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,560 They want high rock hierarchies because it helps with the sense 380 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,320 of order. Now, if you're talking about 381 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,160 everybody governing themselves or everybody's an individual 382 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,720 making their own decisions, how does that tug of war get played? 383 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,040 Well, well, first of all, I think governance is a great 384 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,720 thing. Like you can have governance 385 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,920 without having government. And Prospera is a, you know, is 386 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,360 a great example of where, you know, a company is taken over a, 387 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,280 you know, 1000 acres in Honduras and they're offering governance 388 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,280 as a service. But you're not, you're not 389 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,520 having that forced on to you. You're moving to be in a place 390 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,360 where you were, you know, like the same way that like an HOA 391 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,080 isn't forced onto, you're agreeing to the terms of the HOA 392 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,160 before you move into the, you know, the planned community. 393 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,200 Now you get a lot of benefits from being in a planned 394 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,840 community. I used to live in one in 395 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,440 Ashburn, VA that had 5000 plus families and, and, you know, 396 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,720 yeah, I can't, you know, paint my house pink or put car, you 397 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,120 know, cars in the yard. But we had a like a magnificent 398 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:22,400 community with like outdoor tennis courts, indoor tennis 399 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,320 courts. I think we had seven different 400 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,400 community pools, swimming pools. We had a basketball courts. 401 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:33,040 We had indoor gymnasium and saunas and steam rooms. 402 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,680 And like, it was just, it was, it was amazing. 403 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,480 The amenities. So you're like, OK, well, I'll, 404 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,360 I'll, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll, you know, suffer a little bit 405 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,920 under the HOA for that, for, for all of these amenities and this 406 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,680 quality of life. But I can leave anytime I want. 407 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,360 I can suffer if the if it changes or whatever. 408 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,680 And government is very, very different. 409 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,440 Government is a gun at your head that you can't not only can you 410 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,160 not leave as Roger Veer just found out, but like you know, 411 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,680 they'll come after you decades later, they'll kick in your 412 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,920 door. They'll like it's government is 413 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:12,280 is is is is is dangerous. It's it's creepy in many ways. 414 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:18,360 I had a look to see if there were examples historically of 415 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,280 shall we say, I don't want to say countries, but let's say 416 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,880 regions that haven't had government and the Viking era is 417 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,720 of specific interest to me because they spent about 8 or 418 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,920 900 years fairly government free in in the Iceland region. 419 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,040 A lot of people don't know this, but there aren't that many 420 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,000 examples and I'm and I'm wondering why. 421 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,320 Well, so, so there are the the Iceland is a great example of 422 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,840 where there was, there was no government, but also Ireland is 423 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,920 probably the best example that had 9000 years. 424 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,600 And I think, you know, part of the reason was is that 425 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,960 government has been the biggest scam in history. 426 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,960 And it what it has done is it has allowed, you know, a very 427 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,840 small amount of people to amass tremendous, tremendous amounts 428 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,280 of wealth by stealing it from the population, concentrating it 429 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,240 in themselves. And they don't want there to be 430 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:28,480 examples of free market, you know, no government places on 431 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,920 the planet. And so, you know, Prosper right 432 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,360 now is under attack from the commie government of as an 433 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:38,960 example, is under attack from the commie government of 434 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,560 Honduras. When the Zetti Law was passed 435 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,920 and Prosper was incorporated, there was there was no, you 436 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,240 know, it was a probusiness, you know, pro growth, you know, 437 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,080 government was in place. Communists came to power and 438 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,080 they didn't want an example of a thriving, low cost, low 439 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:04,080 regulation, low tax, you know, example of prosperity literally 440 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,120 on their doors, not, not on their doorstep in the house. 441 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:10,800 Like, like you can go in that room and it's way better than 442 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,000 the rest of the house. And like what's going on in that 443 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,600 room? Well, they're letting people be 444 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,520 free. They're giving people more 445 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,960 freedom. They're not stealing as much of 446 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,480 the money. They don't have as much red 447 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,480 tape. And and that's, that's creating 448 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,920 prosperity, whereas your policies are impoverishing the 449 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,040 population. Honduras is, is, is frankly, 450 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,680 she's my language, a shithole other than prosper. 451 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,760 And there's, there's nice places in, in, in Honduras as well, but 452 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,960 you get the idea. The currency is worth the, the 453 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,760 Limpara is worth about four and a half cents to the US dollar. 454 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,200 There's not a lot of economic, you know, activity going on. 455 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,400 There's not a lot of companies that want to have their stuff 456 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,720 nationalised or, you know, be under the threat of the 457 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,000 nationalisation that Prosper is under. 458 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,520 And so outside of Prospera, there's very, you know, little 459 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,480 economically going on as exciting as what's going on in 460 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,160 Prospera. And I can tell you right now 461 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,920 that you'll get many people saying, but that's because of 462 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,040 foreign influence. But but the foreign influence is 463 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,200 governments. Well, it is, yes. 464 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,360 So, so it's not just by the way, so it's not just the government 465 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:24,400 of Honduras, it's also Cuba and Venezuela and China. 466 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,640 And so they don't want their to like like like none of the 467 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,880 governments, you know, to get back to the, you know the 468 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,320 answer, your your regular point. None of the governments that are 469 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,960 running government on their population and tax farming their 470 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,800 population and robbing and stealing and controlling their 471 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,920 population want people to know that you can have harmony and 472 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,160 prosperity without government. So that's not in their interest. 473 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,200 And so in the case of Prospera, it's not just the common 474 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,280 government of Honduras, it's also the common government of 475 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,520 Venezuela, the common government of Cuba and the common 476 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,840 government of China that have united and, and, and, and are, 477 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:09,520 and are opposed to having an example of, of a, of a thriving, 478 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,200 prosperous, free market alternative to government, you 479 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,920 know, on their doorstep. And so that's why I think that 480 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,920 anytime that there is a population somewhere, whether 481 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,760 it's the Indians in the United States or whether it's the Irish 482 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,720 that were crushed by the English, you know, we're going 483 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,760 to stamp that out so that people don't understand that you can 484 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,040 live in freedom without government. 485 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,400 Just for clarity, when we talk about government, what are we 486 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,840 talking about? We're talking about a group that 487 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,320 has given itself a monopoly of violence over a given 488 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,840 geographical area. And they claim this monopoly of 489 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,200 violence either through monarchy, the divine right of 490 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,160 kings. So like a, like you said, you 491 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,440 know, like a king can be a government. 492 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,960 In that case, the king says it's the divine right of kings. 493 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,880 In the case of, you know, most, you know, Western governments, 494 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,000 it's because of easily hijacked democracy. 495 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,760 And so we're going to, you know, we're going to have elections 496 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,600 that we're controlling, that it was our idea to have elections 497 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,480 and that we've got a disparity of campaign funds. 498 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,760 And through this easily rigged election cycle, we're going to 499 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,280 say, oh, we're in charge because the people elected us. 500 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,560 Even if you didn't vote, and even if you're 100% opposed to 501 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,200 what the government is doing, and even if you're sitting there 502 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,720 going, the whole thing's a scam, it's illegitimate. 503 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,120 And, and, and, and you know, one of the things I want, you know, 504 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,280 just to really emphasise with your audience is it is, is it is 505 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,680 impossible to have a legitimate government even with an 506 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,320 election, OK? Election is the political 507 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,360 equivalent of a gang rape or a lynching, OK. 508 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,480 Just because the majority wants to rob Peter to pay Paul or 509 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,320 wants to lynch black folks, it doesn't make it moral just 510 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,400 because the the the perpetrators outnumber their victim. 511 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,160 And if we're on an island and there's, you know, ten of us, 512 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,880 OK, and we have an election and we say these four have to do all 513 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,160 the work and they've got to pick all the coconuts and they got to 514 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,760 build and whatever. And we're going to go ahead and 515 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,280 kick back and we're going to, you know, not do it. 516 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,680 That doesn't mean that the four legitimately morally are now 517 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,960 required to pick all the coconuts and do all the work. 518 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,920 Just because six people voted that these four people have to 519 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,400 do all the work and, and, you know, it doesn't make it 520 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,960 legitimate. And so it doesn't matter if 521 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,600 there's 10 people or if there's, you know, 331 million in the 522 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,440 United States people, you know, there's no magical additional 523 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,760 person that makes something that is immoral and illogical now 524 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,880 moral and logical. So it has been the biggest scam 525 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,080 in history. It is government has been the 526 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,120 biggest scam in history. And they've gotten away with it 527 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,840 because they, you know, my new book really breaks it down. 528 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,080 They have, they've indoctrinated in the United States, you know, 529 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,280 especially they've indoctrinated it as a religion into the 530 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,080 population. So, so my new book to see the 531 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,480 cage is to leave it 25 techniques. 532 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,800 The few used to control the many. 533 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,840 They're using unethically manipulative techniques to get 534 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:31,600 people to, to associate themselves with the country and 535 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,360 with the government to so they can be tricked and tax farmed 536 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,760 and robbed and controlled. We just had the 4th, 4th of July 537 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,280 and I, you know, I'm sure people around the world have seen 538 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:49,560 pictures of Americans dressed ridiculously in the flag of the 539 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,120 system that is robbing and controlling them. 540 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,200 Because they've been, they've fallen for these techniques and 541 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:02,760 they have, they have subsumed themselves into this idea of 542 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,560 being not a free and independent human being, but being an 543 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,360 American or being a Britain or being a South African. 544 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,920 Or they've they've associated themselves with the government 545 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,960 in a way that allows the government to rob and tax farm 546 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,480 them. And they've actually 547 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,360 incorporated that into their identity. 548 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,000 And so So what what I'm exposing in my new book is that number 549 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,640 one, it there, these governments are tricking you into a 550 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,800 religious, you know, view of having a government so that they 551 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,360 can rob and tax from you. What happens to countries and 552 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:45,760 culture and, and, you know, roads and all those things that 553 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,920 that will come up, you know, in conversation. 554 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,880 So, so without a doubt, because the, the, the world has been 555 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,040 created in this hierarchical way, this top down, you know, 556 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:04,240 way there's, there's going to be transition costs and there's 557 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:13,040 going to be, there's going to be irregularities, we'll say in, in 558 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,560 transitioning to a new system, to getting away from government. 559 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:21,000 But that is something that we have to do because #1 not only 560 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,960 is government illegitimate, not only is it illogical, not only 561 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,800 is it immoral, but now here in the United States especially, 562 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,880 you know, government is robbing the population out of the value 563 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,440 of the currency, stealing the value of the currency in a way 564 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,480 that is quite destructive to the average person. 565 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,560 And so we had it pretty good for a long run here in the United 566 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,880 States where, you know, the, the, the government's thumb 567 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,159 wasn't as oppressive and wasn't as, you know, destructive as it 568 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,679 is now. But now, you know, there's 569 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,360 really no denying that we're, you know, we're in, we're in 570 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,720 double digit inflation here in the United States. 571 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,800 You know, we're, we're now seeing the value of the money 572 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,280 that we earn and save disappear, you know, like the do, you know, 573 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,960 like, like morning dew in the sun. 574 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,040 And so it is, it's now time to, you know, like, sorry 575 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,000 government, but you've got to go. 576 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,120 You didn't deliver the goods. You didn't do what you were 577 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,840 supposed to do. You didn't even, you know, the 578 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,800 government doesn't even in the United States doesn't even 579 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,680 respect the, the, the natural law rights that are enshrined in 580 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,600 the Bill of Rights, utterly ignores them at every step of 581 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,840 the, of the way. And so we, you know, there's, 582 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,640 there's a case to be made that, OK, it was an experiment. 583 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,000 It didn't work. Look good on paper. 584 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,680 The Constitution looks good on paper. 585 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,960 Sounds good. Doesn't work at all at all. 586 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,560 Doesn't protect individual rights, does not limit 587 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,200 government at all. Did not work at all. 588 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,440 There's nobody that can stand up and with a straight face say 589 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,160 that the Constitution has limited government in any way, 590 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,360 shape or form. And there's nobody that can 591 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,640 stand up with a straight face and say the government is 592 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,040 protected. Natural law, human rights, and 593 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,640 so it just doesn't work. And so it's got to go even if 594 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,720 there's transition costs. Now, what happens when you have 595 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:16,840 no no government? Does culture fall apart or does 596 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,960 it thrive? I think it flourishes. 597 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,680 And so, you know, right now we've got, you know, a top down, 598 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,440 you know, in many ways the, you know, the we've got this 599 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,720 weaponized media system where, you know, I believe that, that, 600 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:35,240 that, that, that, that, that you're seeing depravity and 601 00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:36,920 you're seeing. So, you know, if you're running 602 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,640 slaves, if you're running, you know, nation of slaves, you 603 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,760 don't want them to be moral. You don't want them to be 604 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,960 upright. You know, you want them to be 605 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:50,360 drunk and drugged and, you know, you want them, you know, morally 606 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,680 compromised. And So what I believe is that 607 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,480 there's a kind of cultural debilitation go, you know, 608 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,840 programme that is going on from the monopoly media to to tear 609 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,760 down the culture in many ways. And so I think, you know, you 610 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,680 wouldn't see that, you know, you wouldn't see the monopolisation 611 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,000 of the media if it wasn't for fractional reserve banking. 612 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,600 You, you know, you just wouldn't see, you know, a small handful 613 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,120 of six companies dominating every single newspaper, radio 614 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,320 station, television station, movie theatre, movie, you know, 615 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,400 company streaming service, you know, the list goes on and on. 616 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,880 That is that so that that denigration of the culture is a 617 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,080 product of government is the child of government. 618 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,280 And without, without, you know, without that, that ability to 619 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,280 provide certain companies in the media unlimited funds to buy up 620 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,840 and dominate their own, you know, their competition, you 621 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,160 just would not see, you know, what we see today. 622 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,960 And so I think the culture would thrive if there was not this 623 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,040 level of monopolisation in the media. 624 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,800 But if governments are so susceptible to being manipulated 625 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,920 and bought, that suggests that they are organisations, 626 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,080 companies, corporations, whatever that are more powerful 627 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,280 than them. There's a good Facebook or 628 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,000 Amazon. You're, you're, you're making my 629 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,960 point exactly. I don't like, I don't believe 630 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,160 it's government at the top of the of the pyramid. 631 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,040 I think it's the banks at the top of the pyramid. 632 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,640 It's intergenerational, or we'll call it intergenerational 633 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,000 organised crime. Okay, that that figured out that 634 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,760 the most effective way to rob and control societies is using 635 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,800 the technique of government. And so the technique. 636 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,760 So, so they lobbied and bribed in the United States. 637 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,120 They lobbied and bribed the US government to pass the Federal 638 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:49,480 Reserve Act in 1913, which gave, which created a private central 639 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,880 bank that we were never supposed to have. 640 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,520 We'd had two other private central banks, the First Bank of 641 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,280 the United States, the Second Bank of the United States, both 642 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,960 of them were found to be corrupt. 643 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,680 They were both at the end, they had 20 year charters. 644 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,240 At the end of their twenty year charter, they were kicked out. 645 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,680 The Second Bank of the United States was kicked out by Andrew 646 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,280 Jackson, who famously said you are a den of Vipers. 647 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,600 I will route you out. And then they, the, the bankers 648 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,720 waited, you know, you know, a couple generations until people 649 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:18,000 had forgotten about the first bank in the United States and 650 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,320 the second bank in the United States. 651 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,440 And then they lobbied and bribed Congress to create the Federal 652 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,520 Reserve System. The Federal Reserve System sits 653 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:31,320 behind the banks and backstops the banks to engage in 654 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,440 fractional reserve banking to loan out money that they don't 655 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,480 have to create money out of thin air. 656 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,160 And so when you go to a bank to get a a consumer loan or a 657 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,560 mortgage or a car loan or whatever it is, they're not 658 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,280 loaning you depositor money. They just tickle the ivories on 659 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,400 the keyboard. They credit your account with 660 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,840 digital dollars. And then you spend, in the case 661 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,600 of like a mortgage, you might spend the rest of your life 662 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,960 paying back hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars 663 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,600 of interest. On a loan that they created out 664 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:08,920 of thin air and the astronomical profits that they make from that 665 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,480 system #1 would be impossible without government, because 666 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,640 government is the thing that that, you know, makes it legal. 667 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:23,800 But #2 that is, that gives them the, the ability to, you know, 668 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,120 to buy up the media. So the media never tells you how 669 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,920 that system is inherently criminal. 670 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,280 It's inherently unfair. It's on it's, it's bad for the 671 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,120 economy. It's bad for, you know, human 672 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,200 beings. And so, so the government is a 673 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,960 creature of the banks, the media and the corporations are a 674 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,040 creature of the banks in many ways, the ones that have been 675 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,320 bought up by the these fractional reserve dollars. 676 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,680 And the world would not look like this if it was not for the 677 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,840 the ability of these banks to create money out of thin air, 678 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,040 even though it's inflationary and even though it's stealing 679 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,840 the value out of everybody elses money. 680 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,440 And so that's why you're seeing prices rise. 681 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,760 It's because the, you know, absent this crooked monetary 682 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,200 system, your dollar or your Deutsche mark or your yen or 683 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,960 your pound should be buying more and more and more and more each 684 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,160 year if it wasn't for this criminal crooked monetary 685 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,160 system. So how do we get to a point 686 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,720 without government? Well, what I believe is because 687 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:40,920 it has been the biggest scam in history, OK, most and and also 688 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,560 so so I'm very optimistic. I'm, I'm, you know, I'm an 689 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,840 optimist and what I've discovered in doing what I do is 690 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,920 that, you know, once you, once people realise that it's a scam, 691 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,360 it's something that, that at the, the Art of Liberty 692 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,240 Foundation, which is, which is my nonprofit, we're a startup 693 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,240 voluntarious think tank. We're spreading these 694 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,320 voluntarious ideas around the world. 695 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,560 We call it the one way revolution. 696 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,600 Because once you realise and you get it, really get somebody 697 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,440 really gets it in their, in their, in their, in their mind 698 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,360 and they really understand, hey, oh wow, there's no way to have a 699 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:18,480 legitimate moral government. The only moral and effective way 700 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,240 is real freedom and real freedom produces the goods. 701 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,840 And so it produces more harmony, it produces more prosperity. 702 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,440 It lifts people out of poverty. You know, like once they get 703 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,520 that, well, that's the good karma alternative to government. 704 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,520 If you're voting for, for government, whether you're 705 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,760 voting for Republicans or Democrats or Labour or, you 706 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,200 know, the Tories of the Conservatives or whatever it is, 707 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,960 you're advocating violence on your fellow man. 708 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,400 You're advocating violence on your friends, your family, your 709 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,640 colleagues that disagree and, and, and say, Oh no, but we, we 710 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,320 don't really need to have government. 711 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,040 There's no, there's no karmic debt to being a voluntaryist. 712 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,560 It's the good karma alternative. You're not trying to impose your 713 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,120 ruler over anybody else. You're saying, hey, the world's 714 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,200 a self organising place. It produces spontaneous order. 715 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,440 Everything the government does would be done better, faster and 716 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,800 cheaper by the free market. We should just leave everybody 717 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,240 alone. Quit trying to impose your ruler 718 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,200 on somebody else. And so that's, that's good 719 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,680 karmically and it produces the goods and it leads to harmony 720 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,680 and prosperity. And so once people figure that 721 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,600 out, very few go back to believing in in government 722 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,880 because nobody likes to get tricked, nobody likes to get 723 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,400 fooled, nobody likes to, you know, And so like, especially 724 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,720 once you realise that the government is running these 725 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:51,560 unethically manipulative techniques, well, who's who? 726 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,160 Who's going to support that? So it really is a one way 727 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,960 revolution and I think it's going to eventually sweep 728 00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,360 through not just the United States, but the world. 729 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,280 I think that the the scam of government will be exposed for 730 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,400 all to see and people will abandon it because nobody likes 731 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,240 to be tricked. Nobody likes to be chumped. 732 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:12,640 Nobody likes to have game run on them. 733 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,400 Yes, but that sounds very abstract. 734 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,480 What are actual ways to to delegitimize the government? 735 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,680 So one of them I'm guessing from what you just said now would 736 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:28,560 would be to stop voting? Stop voting is 1 because you're 737 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,800 legitimising the government. But what I like to, you know, 738 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,400 what I like to do is I just like to throw like a little, you 739 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,560 know, sand in the gears every time that I can. 740 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,520 And so, you know, one of the things that I do is I, I pay in 741 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,320 cash everywhere I go. I try and pay in cash almost 742 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,520 everywhere I go. And when I give somebody the 743 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,280 cash, I go, you know, I'm giving, you know, I like to pay 744 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,280 cash because now you don't have to share it with the lying, 745 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,000 thieving, stealing government. And so if everybody is just one, 746 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,160 you know, example to your question is there, if everybody 747 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:03,640 paid cash, then more mom and pop, you know, grocery stores 748 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,960 and and, and and gas stations and guitar teachers and whatever 749 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,600 it is, would be able to keep more of their money from 750 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,200 themselves. They wouldn't have to declare it 751 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,040 to the government. You know, that would starve the 752 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,600 government. You know, you're starving the 753 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,000 banks. They're not getting the, you 754 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,160 know, 1.5 to 2.5% that you would give them in a credit card 755 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,720 transaction. The merchant gets to keep an 756 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:31,480 additional 1.5 to 2.5% that would have gone to the banks. 757 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,680 And so little things like, you know, and it makes it harder for 758 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,920 governments to bring in CBD CS, it makes it harder to track and 759 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,360 trace your purchases. There's just all these like good 760 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,920 things that that happen when you use cash. 761 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,720 And so using cash is, is one example of something that you 762 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:50,880 can do to destabilise the state that doesn't cost you any money 763 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,560 and that, you know, is is, you know, helps all of the local 764 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,920 merchants in your area. The money circulates in the 765 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,120 economy more than if it, you know, went out the door and an 766 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,240 electronic payment. And so, so that's one example. 767 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,280 Use gold, gold backs use barter silver here in the United 768 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,280 States, we, there's actually money starting to circulate in 769 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,480 the different states that is flexible spendable gold. 770 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,040 And so I'm, I'm holding up some of these. 771 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,920 These are 24 karat and gold and encased in a, you know, in a, in 772 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,920 a, in a polymer. This one is 1/2 thousandth of an 773 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:37,280 ounce of gold. This one is 11 thousandth of an 774 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:43,120 ounce of gold and this one is 1 100th of an ounce of gold. 775 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,040 So it's like a little bit bigger and and a little bit thicker 776 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,680 than some of the smaller ones, but you know, use alternative 777 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,680 currencies that are going up in value that are inflation proof. 778 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,240 And then that takes away part of the, you know, the power of the 779 00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:00,440 government as one example of of, you know, what you can do to 780 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,080 destabilise it since I have my wallet open. 781 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,880 Another example is so I back up my book with these credit card 782 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,600 size flash drives. And so this is so you get a copy 783 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,720 of the book and, and documentaries and everything 784 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:19,480 that is being censored by Facebook and YouTube and, and 785 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,800 you know, other social media sites and X and Twitter and 786 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,120 everything like that. I put it on a flash drive that 787 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,000 you can carry in your wallet and you can be at a friend's house 788 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,600 and you can say, Hey, download this and you're able to exchange 789 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,960 censor proof censorship. You know, you're able to get 790 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,760 around the censorship. And then once somebody has, we 791 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,120 call them a Liberator. When somebody has a Liberator, 792 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,680 they are, they are authorised and encouraged to make copies 793 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,720 for your friends. And so you can go to eBay and 794 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:51,680 you can buy. And people do this all the time. 795 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,480 People come up to me at, at, at, you know, at conferences or 796 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,520 events and they say, Hey, I discovered your work because I 797 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,480 was at a liberty get together and somebody came in and threw 798 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,600 down 30 flash drives and everybody took 1. 799 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,120 And I, and I read your book on the drive and like I now I know 800 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,760 government's a scam. And, and so, so, so these are 801 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,080 just little ways that you can fight back. 802 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,960 You can get around the censorship and you know, you can 803 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,120 have a better, you know, people are using my book is curriculum 804 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,240 and homeschooling to explain to their kids the scam of 805 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:27,480 government and so that they're so their kids never, you know, 806 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,000 are are exposed, you know, never go through the mental slavery 807 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,120 and it is a mental slavery of Gubanare Mente, you know, the 808 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:40,320 root words of government Gubanare to control or or govern 809 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,640 and mente the mind control the mind. 810 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,280 And so so that that system that is allowed, you know, like like 811 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,200 if you never grow up under that, you know, that's the one way 812 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,120 revolution. And so, so these are just a few, 813 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,280 you know, small examples of how you can fight back easily are. 814 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:02,680 You a fan of Bitcoin? I'm a fan of cryptocurrency. 815 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,840 I think that, you know, like we could have a, we could do an 816 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,360 entire show on my thoughts on Bitcoin, but I actually believe 817 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,320 that Bitcoin was created by the NSA. 818 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,640 The NSA, the the the United States, one of the spy agencies 819 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:20,280 that deals with cryptography and breaking cryptography and things 820 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,600 like that is called the National Security Agency. 821 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,720 And they published a white paper that has since been declassified 822 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:33,280 called How to Make a Mint, the Cryptography of Anonymous 823 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,240 Electronic Cash. A decade before Satoshi 824 00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:41,080 published his white paper on Bitcoin that the crypto 825 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,840 anarchists were already trying to solve the problem of 826 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,640 stateless money, of inflation proof, stateless money with E 827 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,600 gold and digit cash and other, you know, crypto projects. 828 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,440 And so I think the NSA front ran them, you know, with this 829 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,840 anonymous Satoshi Nakamoto, you know, white paper. 830 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,240 But in that, in that NSA white paper, how to make a mint, they 831 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:09,960 actually outline the blockchain and the wallet. 832 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,680 And so, so I think they they front ran what was already going 833 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:15,840 on. There was already crypto 834 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,000 anarchists that were working on the problem of stateless money. 835 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,960 And so I think they wanted to get ahead of, of, of the parade, 836 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,640 but I'm, I'm a fan of having a free market and money and crypto 837 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,040 is essentially a free market and money. 838 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:36,520 And and so you're, you're, you know, I'm not that like I own 839 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,720 Bitcoin. I sell my books for Bitcoin. 840 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:42,520 I've been selling my books for cryptocurrency and gold backs 841 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:47,160 and, and, and, and barter silver for years. 842 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,520 And so I've done very, very well with that. 843 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:55,080 But it is but like I'm, but I do believe that it is the NSA in 844 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,880 the background. And I think you're now starting 845 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,960 to see that because it is a public blockchain, it can be 846 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,120 surveilled. It can, you can't do block 847 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,320 analysis on it. You can't fit, you know, you 848 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,680 can't figure out what everybody has. 849 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,360 It can be track traced and controlled. 850 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:16,360 So I like the privacy coins like like Monero, Epic cash, other 851 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,480 privacy coins better than I like Bitcoin for some reasons, 852 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:25,200 Although I am benefiting from bitcoins rise in the sense that 853 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,240 I own some of it and, and it's, it's doing well because the 854 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:33,440 system is, is stealing the oxygen from the other coins with 855 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,800 Bitcoin, They're they're, they're all in on it together at 856 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,640 a certain, certain degree. And it's been chosen the winner 857 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,720 because it doesn't threaten the central banks because it's so 858 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:48,600 slow and the transaction fees are so high that I think that's 859 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,520 the reason it was chosen because it did not really threaten the 860 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,560 the banks immediately. The way that different 861 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,640 currencies that had, you know, better privacy features or had 862 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:05,080 lower transaction costs or had, you know, or had faster 863 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,480 settlements, you know, would have actually threatened the 864 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,000 dollar. So we'll, we'll steal all the 865 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,600 oxygen out of those coins and we'll bring, you know, all the 866 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,600 focus on this one cryptocurrency that is essentially broken, that 867 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,640 is not really going to threaten the the dollar system in the 868 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,520 short term. And then that gives us time to, 869 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,960 to, you know, to, to build out what we want to build out, which 870 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,440 is using Bitcoin to, to tax, trace and surveil the 871 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,880 population. An observation that that you 872 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:43,360 might share is there is a very strange type of Messiah complex, 873 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,480 saviour complex going on in the world. 874 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,760 Trump, for example, he's going to save us. 875 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,320 And so it's one of the techniques in my new book that I 876 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,920 discuss to see the cages to leave it. 877 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:59,240 And so one of the 2025 techniques is that people that 878 00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:02,680 human beings, we touched on this a second ago, but human beings 879 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,080 are predisposed to have a leader. 880 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,640 And that's called evolutionary leader theory in psychology. 881 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,120 And the idea is that that, you know, we're, we, we, we have a, 882 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:17,920 we're a tribal system. And so the, the country is the 883 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,560 artificial tribe. But in, in the tribe, it was an 884 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,280 evolutionary advantage to have a strong leader. 885 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,440 And so human beings, unless you yourself are a leader, you are 886 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,480 innately predisposed to want to have a leader. 887 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,400 And so this organised crime system understands behavioural 888 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,760 psychology. And So what they're going to do 889 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,640 is they're going to give the population a choice between red 890 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,960 leader and blue leader. And then because human beings 891 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,440 need to have a leader, many, many human beings feel and 892 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,360 believe in their heart of hearts that they have to have a leader. 893 00:53:55,720 --> 00:54:00,400 They're going to infuse their identity with their preferred 894 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,280 leader, not understanding that it's a complete fake choice. 895 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,360 It's a, it's what's called a Hobson's choice. 896 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,080 Old man Hopson ran a livery stable. 897 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,640 You could rent any stable, you could have any, rent any horse 898 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,520 in the stable as long as it was the black one at the end of the, 899 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,960 at the end of the stalls. And so Hopson's choice is a fake 900 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,000 choice. And so the so the this organised 901 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,840 crime system is going to give you blue leader or red leader, 902 00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:34,600 but the reality is, is that both blue leader and red leader are 903 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,240 100% aligned on all of the issues that are important to the 904 00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:43,560 ruling system. And then they squabble over kind 905 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,520 of hot button issues that don't really matter to the rulers, but 906 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,360 they can get the population all hot and bothered, whether it's, 907 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:57,720 you know, transgender issues or whether it's abortion or, you 908 00:54:57,720 --> 00:54:59,480 know, like different things like that. 909 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,240 They'll, they'll, you know, they'll fight over those issues. 910 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,360 But both the Republicans and the Democrat at the, at the 911 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,680 leadership level in Washington, DC, they're 100% aligned on 912 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,400 fractional reserve banking. They're 100% line aligned on 913 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,320 confiscatory taxation. They're 100% aligned on them 914 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,040 giving the orders and you taking them. 915 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,160 They're 100% lined on endless wars. 916 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,320 They're 100% lined on our support for Israel. 917 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,480 They're 100% aligned on a great many things that aren't in the, 918 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,520 you know, aren't in the interests of the population. 919 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,440 And, you know, years ago we had a, you know, we had a, you know, 920 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,080 we had a, the banks were proposing a bailout of $750 921 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,400 billion that, according to Bloomberg, ended up being $29 922 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,040 trillion. And the population was opposed 923 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,760 to it. Like some, somewhere around 90% 924 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,200 of the population was opposed to bailing out the banks and giving 925 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,120 the banks a nickel. And the politicians did it 926 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,560 anyway. And so there is no, you know, 927 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,800 there is no real democracy. There is no real, you know, 928 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,920 electing a representative. It's 100% rigged system. 929 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,800 There's no way to win it. The only way to win is not to 930 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,520 play. The system has created such a 931 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,120 beautiful confusion within the population. 932 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,000 Well, Sue, Sue, you know, and I break it down in the book again. 933 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,640 And so if you're controlling the information that society 934 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:30,480 receives through this monopoly media system, you can make them 935 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,120 believe a great many things. You can make them believe that 936 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,040 tariffs are, are are are are good for American manufacturing 937 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,560 and American jobs and everything, even though it's 938 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,480 essentially A stealth tax. And I believe that they're 939 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,400 actually going with the tariffs because it's because so many 940 00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,800 people in the United States are not paying their income tax. 941 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,400 10's and 10s of millions of people are not paying their 942 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,240 income tax that it's easier for them to get their their hand 943 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,640 around the throat of the importer or the exporter than it 944 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,280 is that for, you know, to try and run around to the 10s of 945 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,040 millions of people in the United States that aren't paying their 946 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,480 income tax and trying to, you know, like collect back China. 947 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,360 And so it's just wait, yeah, yeah. 948 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,480 So like, so they're so, so now the population, not only do they 949 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,080 have, do they still have the income tax, but now they've got 950 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,600 these tariffs. And I got news for you, you 951 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:23,400 know, you know, Joe 6 pack and Jane bag lunch, that tariff, the 952 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:28,640 companies don't pay the tariff. The companies pass along the 953 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,320 cost of the tariff on to you and higher prices. 954 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,720 And so you're the one that's paying the tariff. 955 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,840 You're the one. It's just a tax. 956 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,240 It's a hidden tax. And so, you know, a lot of the 957 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,040 population doesn't understand that because the television is 958 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,280 telling them one thing and they're there. 959 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,120 They're having the information about the reality of the 960 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,720 situation controlled to them. And if you don't understand that 961 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,000 that's going on, you're crippled. 962 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,640 You're not even in the game. You don't, you're not even on 963 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,440 the field if you don't understand how they're 964 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,200 controlling the population with the screens and being able to 965 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,400 manipulate the information that the society receives. 966 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,880 Thieves, right here is the pirate signal. 967 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,920 This is the Nebuchadnezzar, you know, surfacing. 968 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,480 You're getting, you know, actual like, you know, truth that 969 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,280 you're not going to get on the mainstream media. 970 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,760 You're never going to see on the mainstream media or the 971 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,360 mainstream alternative media, voluntarist ideas. 972 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,320 You're never going to see on the mainstream media somebody 973 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,920 telling you that the government itself is inherently immoral, 974 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,400 illogical and illegitimate. You're just never going to see 975 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,840 that. And so it's only through these 976 00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:46,160 pirate broadcasts that you know, that that we're getting truth to 977 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,720 the people. And I think in the information 978 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:53,240 age, ultimately, we're going to power over the mainstream media. 979 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,640 There's so many podcasts, there's so many people that are 980 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,760 now, you know, telling what they know and exposing the scam of 981 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,520 government and the legitimacy of government and the criminality 982 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,800 of government, that there's no way to hide it in the 983 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,720 information age. And so I think we win in the end 984 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,760 because there's just no way to stop the signal. 985 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:17,080 And there also are some good books that go back a few decades 986 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,280 that are worth reading. Also, Adam Smith I think wrote 987 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,840 some good stuff. So did Murray Rothbard, Ludwig 988 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:28,680 von Mises, Hayek, Friedrich Hayek, and even and even a 989 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:33,880 little bit of Milton Friedman. I have most of those on the 990 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,240 Liberator. So, so, so, so again, so there's 991 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:41,240 no way to stop the signal. There's no way to stop somebody 992 00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,320 handing A Liberator to a friend or a family member or a 993 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,360 colleague and saying this is the information that is being hidden 994 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:54,720 from society, you know, and and not only you know, can you have 995 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,040 it, but you can make copies for your friends and your colleagues 996 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,520 and, and family as well. And so there's no way to stop 997 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,080 the signal in the information age. 998 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:08,240 Well you have plugged your your your book quite a lot SO11 last 999 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,840 time. How can I follow your work? 1000 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:17,280 So so the so the the new So the my original book is government, 1001 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,160 the biggest scam in history exposed. 1002 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,880 It's been the best selling book at over two dozen liberty 1003 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:27,360 conferences and events. We've sold 7000 cop hard copies 1004 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:32,080 to 25 plus countries where people are frequently paying 1005 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,520 more than the cost of the book and postage and shipping 1006 01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,240 handling. We're now getting it onto 1007 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,360 Amazon. We just and so we're going to 1008 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,800 have it in in foreign distribution and in in a number 1009 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:49,680 of a number of weeks. That's governmenthyphenscam.com. 1010 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:55,440 The new book is to see the cage is to leave it 25 techniques, 1011 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,720 the few used to control the many and that is it. 1012 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:03,240 See thecage.com. My organisation is called the 1013 01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,920 Art of Liberty Foundation. We're a startup, voluntary as 1014 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,720 think tank. We're exposing the illegitimacy 1015 01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,280 and the criminality of government from a principled 1016 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,280 voluntary as standpoint. That's at artofliberty.org and 1017 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,160 you can get most of my articles for free on my sub stack at ART 1018 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:25,240 ofliberty.substack.com. You know, in, in four years of 1019 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,880 doing this, I've never, I've never had anybody that's, that's 1020 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,760 challenged me on the legitimacy and, and, and desirability and 1021 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,800 the necessity of having a government. 1022 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,240 And I've offered to debate people and, and, and I actually, 1023 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,960 I would, I'd love to actually have some, somebody actually 1024 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,000 debate me on the basis of of what I'm saying. 1025 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,200 It's not like And so I think. It's not like somebody's going 1026 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,040 to going to listen to this and go, Nah, I want more government 1027 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:58,960 in my life. It is, it has been the biggest 1028 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,640 scam in history and I think more and more people are realising 1029 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,960 that every day. And it's only, and this 1030 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,440 revolution is only going in One Direction and we win in the end. 1031 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,320 And so it's a it's a good news message. 1032 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,440 All right, well. Etienne de la Bousis squared, 1033 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,680 thank you for joining me in the trenches. 1034 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,280 It has been a pleasure and I look forward to our next 1035 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:19,840 conversation.