1 00:00:38,390 --> 00:00:41,230 James Denningpole, I don't know how many times I'm saying this, 2 00:00:41,230 --> 00:00:43,830 but thank you again for joining me in the trenches. 3 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,120 It's an absolute pleasure, there's no one I would be 4 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:52,200 happier to be with alongside me fighting the enemy. 5 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,440 Other than your wife. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. 6 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,760 No, but I think you'd probably be good at, you come from South 7 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,400 Africa, you'd probably be good at dealing with, with vermin 8 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,239 creatures, you know, like rats and stuff because there's, 9 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:06,720 there's all sorts of stuff out there, isn't there? 10 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,680 We are a lot more streetwise I think on average, but that's by 11 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,280 design. Oh, I mean, when you live in a 12 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:20,120 country where you can't go on a long car journey without 13 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,720 thinking about making plans, if you break down, how are you 14 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,200 going to survive? It's, it's, I mean, that's it, 15 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,360 isn't it? It's not just will the will the 16 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,320 a, a man come in in three hours or five hours? 17 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:37,400 No, it's will I survive? Yes, and and is my gun loaded? 18 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,720 Is my gun loaded? Can you carry guns? 19 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,760 Yes. Ah, now you've you know what? 20 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,480 You're suddenly selling South Africa to me. 21 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,960 I'd like to. I cannot I cannot confirm nor 22 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,960 deny whether or not I have firearms. 23 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,800 I. Think if your life depends on 24 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,800 it. I will say I've got a hunting 25 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,680 rifle that I will say because I go hunting as you do also. 26 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,400 What by the way, where are you as a as a as a fellow Christian? 27 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:11,480 Where are you on killing people, I mean. 28 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,760 Well, let's just dive into it. In in self defence I mean, 29 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,120 because it's not clear to me what what God's position is on 30 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,920 this, but what if it's? Not killed. 31 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,680 No, no, no, no. I think that's a 32 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,360 misinterpretation. So if you're coming from a, from 33 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,120 a, from a Christian or biblical perspective, I think the correct 34 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,560 interpretation is thou shalt not murder. 35 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,680 There's a difference because remember, wars are also killing. 36 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,160 But there were many wars in biblical times that were, shall 37 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:48,080 we say, ordained by God. God is absolutely rooting for 38 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,640 the children of Israel in a lot of these these conflicts and he 39 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:55,360 is killing lots of enemies. So you're right, I see that and 40 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,480 David being being a bit of a killer himself. 41 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,760 I mean, if somebody comes into your home and tries to kill your 42 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,360 family and you shoot them or you stab them to death or whatever, 43 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:10,520 that is a self defence. That is not that is not murder 44 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,480 because it's not a a pre emptive behaviour. 45 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,040 It is a reactive behaviour. And I said, what is sane person? 46 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,440 What is the the word the Greek word that I don't use for you 47 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:23,720 see? This is God. 48 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:25,440 No, this is the problem, isn't it? 49 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,800 I've, I've, I often say that Christianity is the the biggest, 50 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:37,040 widest and deepest of all the rabbit holes because once you 51 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,200 start getting interested in it. Thank you. 52 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:48,680 Once you start getting in it from a from a sort of there's a 53 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,240 certain certain kind of Christian I've I've the reason 54 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,000 I'm talking about this is because it because it's I'm 55 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,200 writing a piece about this at the moment. 56 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,560 It's bugging me. This is all to do with a podcast 57 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,280 I did with recently with your friend and mine, William Fink. 58 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:09,240 He's he's so interesting. But it seems to me that there 59 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,400 are roughly two types of, well, lots of different categories of 60 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,600 Christian. But I'd say that there's the 61 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,959 trust, the plan variety and the trust. 62 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:23,400 The plan is the kind that takes it on trust that what his pastor 63 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,080 or his minister or his Catholic priest or his Orthodox priest 64 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,800 has told him and he's brought up belief. 65 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,440 That is absolutely the correct version. 66 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,440 And the you cannot deviate from that. 67 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,880 It's just everything they know has been taught is true and 68 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,960 right, and that is what they believe, and they ain't going to 69 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,320 change. And then there's those of us who 70 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,600 who started exploring Christianity from an awake 71 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,640 perspective and we go, what? Hang on a second. 72 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,720 There are all these different denominations. 73 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,360 The Catholics, by the way, don't don't consider themselves to be 74 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,400 a denomination at all. They consider themselves to be 75 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,440 the church, the mother church, and they think everyone else is 76 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,440 basically a heretic and they're going to, we're all going to 77 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,080 burn in hell. So, so there's that. 78 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:12,600 So you get all these different denominations with wildly 79 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,160 different views on all sorts of things. 80 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,040 For example, what is the correct number of books to have in the 81 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,120 Bible? And that's quite a big deal, 82 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,760 isn't it? That's different churches have 83 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,480 different views on how many books what books are are are 84 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,400 correct. What books are are non canonical 85 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,640 or or apocryphal. The churches have different 86 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,480 positions on on the nature of of the Virgin Mary. 87 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:41,520 Is she really the queen of heaven or is that is, is that 88 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,520 just a kind of borrowing from Babylonian, Sumerian mythology 89 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,680 and and so on and and and so forth. 90 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,840 Where am I, where am I going with this? 91 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,600 I think that if you are curious, you have to approach 92 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,400 Christianity with a, with a, with a spirit of 93 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:06,000 adventurousness, light, skepticism, respect obviously 94 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,920 for the different traditions, but at the same time an 95 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,760 awareness that someone, somewhere, in fact quite a lot 96 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,400 of people have got their stuff badly wrong. 97 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,080 Yes, I'll add to what you're saying that it's also about 98 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,640 approaching it from, let's say a realistic or a historical 99 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,560 perspective. Because the problem I have 100 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,600 found, I don't know if you had this issue growing up, like in 101 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,680 church, they become so caught up in what appears to be sort of 102 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,920 sensational mysticism, you know, and they don't look at what 103 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,960 really actually happened biblically. 104 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,760 Like, let's go back 1000 BC. Did you know, what did the 105 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,440 region look like? What were the people doing? 106 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,360 I think what one of my favorite insights of his. 107 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:58,280 Obviously I'm biased here, but I like the idea that the children 108 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:02,960 of Israel ended up in what became known as Christendom. 109 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,800 And it makes absolute sense to me, absolute sense it it makes 110 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,360 emotional sense. It makes intellectual sense. 111 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:18,800 It it puzzles me that you get a certain kind of a good example 112 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,960 of this is CS Lewis. CS Lewis is often held up to be 113 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,960 the the model Christian. He's a fantastic Christian 114 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:31,480 apologist. We love him etcetera, but when 115 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,240 reading his appalling book on the Psalms, it really is one of 116 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,160 his more dismal books. And it's clear that CS Lewis, 117 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,640 this ardent Christian, nevertheless looks at the Psalms 118 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,760 as this as this thing that belongs to the people he 119 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,800 considers to be the Jews. That it that it the Old 120 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,160 Testament thing is not so much a Christian thing. 121 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,280 That is not at all not at all my perspective on the Psalms. 122 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:08,200 And when I when I when I read the psalmist talking, oh, 123 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,800 blessed are the people. What is it? 124 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:19,760 I'm just learning this one about the blessed are the people whose 125 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,600 God is the Lord Jehovah. Blessed are the folk that he 126 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,840 hath chosen to him to be his inheritance. 127 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,920 That's Psalm 33. It's, it's fantastic. 128 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,000 And I listen to those those lines or recite them, and I 129 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,960 think that's me. That is, I am one of the 130 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,880 descendants of the children of Israel. 131 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,919 I mean, it makes sense, doesn't it, when you think about just 132 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,560 setting aside the Bible for a moment. 133 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:52,120 Historically, we know, for example, that apparently every 134 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,920 person in England is of white extraction anyway, is is 135 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,920 descended from can claim descendants from Edward the 136 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,200 third. Because if you go back far, far 137 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,600 enough in history, we're, we're all kind of, we all go to the 138 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,480 same what we all, we, I suppose we all go back to Adam and Eve 139 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,880 in the end. But you think about how long ago 140 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,480 the, the children of Israel were around. 141 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:25,440 We're talking what, a couple of 1000 years BC and we've even 142 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:31,040 longer and and the diaspora the the the periods were in in exile 143 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,160 and stuff. Where did they all end up? 144 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,000 Is nobody curious about this? There was a remarkable lack of 145 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,040 curiosity among Christians. Yes, that's the point I was 146 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,280 making about modern church generally being shallow. 147 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,840 It doesn't look at the historicity of Christianity. 148 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,520 Now this is important because you don't have to be a Christian 149 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,920 to have this discussion. Well, of course, this discussion 150 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:57,680 has really been loaded by the the issue of Israel. 151 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:58,800 What is Israel? Well. 152 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,400 That is, that is a fundamental issue. 153 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,600 It's huge. It's taken of everything. 154 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,720 Yeah, yes. How many Zionist Christians are? 155 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,560 There are more Zionist Christians than there are Jewish 156 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:12,440 Zionists. I believe it's not. 157 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:13,720 Jews. Jews. 158 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,920 Yeah, there are more Zionist Christians than there are Jews. 159 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:20,520 Yeah, well, that's a fantastic psyop win for the Jews, for all, 160 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,440 for the. Zionists and that's and that's a 161 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,800 big part of the history of Christianity is that it's been 162 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,120 it's been psyopped into be becoming Judeo Christianity. 163 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,480 Sorry, Co opt Co opted. It's, well, it also is a psyop, 164 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,680 I suppose. Yeah, yeah. 165 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,120 Because the the idea that Christianity is somehow linked 166 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:44,000 to do to Judaism is only about the last 150 years anyway. 167 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,680 Juda Schofield and Derby and the Oxford University promoting this 168 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:50,720 idea, and it's taken hold amazingly. 169 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,320 It's even worse than that. It's even worse than that. 170 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,760 I the vibe I get from certainly the Zion, those are the Zionist 171 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:04,600 Christian persuasion is that they feel inferior to Jews. 172 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,280 They, it's like, yeah, the, the Jews are the rock stars of, of, 173 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,680 of, of, of the world because they are literally God's chosen 174 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:16,680 people, whereas we are mere Christians and we're not fit to 175 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,760 blah, blah, blah. You, you get that, don't you? 176 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:26,880 Which I find extraordinary. I mean, I view, I mean, maybe I 177 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,520 was maybe when I was younger, when I, when I was more of a 178 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,720 snob and I used to think like I was born to rule and stuff and I 179 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,160 had that, that education and etcetera. 180 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,840 But I have to say that since my awakening, I've become, I mean, 181 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,200 obviously I still get fox hunting, but I've become a man 182 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,040 of the people. I, I, I love everybody. 183 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,160 I do. I, I, I, I, Jews, Christians, 184 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,920 Muslims, or whatever. We're all. 185 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,120 We're all. Gods. 186 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,160 Well, it's not about that, though. 187 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,280 You don't have to add that disclaimer, that's the thing. 188 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,720 No, it's not. It's not even the disclaimer. 189 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,680 What I'm what I'm saying is, I'm putting in context my absolute 190 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:08,600 abhorrence of the notion that the Jews should be considered to 191 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,200 be special, because they ain't. They're not. 192 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,280 That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. 193 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,400 Yeah, within the biblical context, they're not special. 194 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,520 Well, well, it of course, it depends on the translation of 195 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,560 the word Jew and, and, and, and whether you think that's the 196 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:27,840 same as the, as the, as the Hebrews and the children of 197 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,360 Israel. And, and you get this, you get 198 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,080 this complicated mix, don't you, where you've got what the Bible 199 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,720 says, but then what the different translations of the 200 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,080 Bible says, particularly of, of, of, of, of keyword words. 201 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,200 And then you get the stuff that's sort of extra biblical 202 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,600 where you have to look at other historians, Josephus or 203 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,680 whatever, Tacitus, what or what even the Assyrian historians 204 00:12:56,680 --> 00:12:59,880 tell us about the movements of peoples in those, those those 205 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,200 far off off times. And you and you then sort of 206 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,880 form a kind of meta analysis based on, yeah, on the one hand 207 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,440 the Bible, on the other hand, all the other sorts sources, 208 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,120 archaeology, it's and then you try and form an intelligent 209 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,720 view, but you can't just go, well, my particular favoured 210 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,640 translation of the Bible says this. 211 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,760 And my my preferred interpretation is this. 212 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,920 A very important conversation actually is the the the 213 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,920 preservation of Christendom. Why? 214 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,240 Because it is intricately linked to the West. 215 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:45,000 And it it also makes sense when you see it in terms of of race, 216 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,600 which is a very, very difficult topic for a lot of, a lot of 217 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,880 people. I really don't want to offend 218 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,680 people. I just think people need to get 219 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:56,560 their priorities sorted and their priority, everyone's 220 00:13:56,560 --> 00:14:01,600 priority, not just kind of shock jocks like you and me should be 221 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:07,880 the truth that that Jamie Franklin makes this point in his 222 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,160 in, in his rather good new book. And I've made it a few times as 223 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,200 well, that what are the things we should believe in what what 224 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,400 should be our our guiding principles? 225 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,360 I think they're truth, goodness and beauty. 226 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,320 We're naturally drawn to their expressions of God. 227 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,080 And I think we are naturally drawn to God. 228 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,720 So if you're not being drawn to the truth, you should ask 229 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,800 yourself, well, hang on a second, am I doing it right? 230 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,480 And the answer is, by the way, no, you're not. 231 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,960 You should be able to say these things without without fear. 232 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,680 The thing that puzzles me about atheists. 233 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,240 OK, well, well, how do you explain how we got here? 234 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,280 And they say, well, I I don't, I've never thought about it. 235 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,320 I don't want to think about The Big Bang one second. 236 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,440 Everything exploded out of nothing. 237 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,520 Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And is expanding into Infinity 238 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,200 and also into itself. Yeah, that makes sense. 239 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,160 Do you know what one of things I'm really glad about since 240 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:10,440 since going down the rabbit hole, I'm so glad that I no 241 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:17,920 longer have to take science, science seriously because what, 242 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,120 what, what did you, what did you read at university or did you 243 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,840 not go? I did, but I failed. 244 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,600 Oh, nice one mate. No, that's I'm a. 245 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,720 Varsity dropout I've. Risked. 246 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,600 I've made nothing of my life. I was really lucky with my, with 247 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,640 my tutor, who he wasn't, he wasn't professor because he 248 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,000 wasn't interested in the kind of the, the, the fake titles of the 249 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,240 academic system. But he, he, he was very good. 250 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,120 He taught me how to think and, and although I was an anomie in 251 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,520 those days, nevertheless, I, I did feel that my mind was, was 252 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,800 honed and I'm eternally his name, Peter Conrad and I'm, I'm 253 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,560 eternally grateful of him for, for, for, for doing that. 254 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:05,120 But anyway, what so I did, I did an English degree and I remember 255 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,760 in the years afterwards, there was all this this pressure put 256 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:14,320 on one by by the prevailing culture to feel bad about having 257 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,320 read an art subject that that it was somehow worth it. 258 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,960 You was a bit like the Zionist Christians feel towards the Jews 259 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,040 that they're better. One was encouraged culturally, 260 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,600 subtly to think that the scientists, they're the thing. 261 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Oh, the scientists, Newton Boyle, Hook, the Royal Society, 262 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,680 the experts, they know, they know the science and and they 263 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,840 know the truth. And wrapped up in this was the 264 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,280 idea that of course, well, things like Darwin was the, was 265 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,720 maybe the greatest, greatest ever Englishman because he 266 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,000 replaced all that God nonsense with the truth, which was we, 267 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,000 we, we, we crawled out of the primordial slime and we 268 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,440 gradually evolved. And we're, we're, we're related 269 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:02,160 to the apes and I'm, I'm so, and, and the idea that one has 270 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,560 to try to understand planetary motion, that, that, that, that 271 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,839 sometimes we're near and sometimes we're far. 272 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:12,079 And we, we, we, we describe these weird, elliptical, 273 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,839 impossible things that you, that nobody understands. 274 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,599 And now I rise, you're not meant to understand them because 275 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:20,800 they're not true. You're just meant to go, Oh 276 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,839 yeah, yeah, that's right. And you just said that and it 277 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:25,160 must be true. It's all rubbish. 278 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:29,280 Anyone who's been in this area for a while becomes familiar 279 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:36,080 with MK Ultra, the, the, the Cias brainwashing program and we 280 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,080 all go, well, that's terrible. Imagine what it's like being one 281 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,640 of those MK Ultra victims and waiting for your trigger word 282 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,600 to, to, to send you off to shoot, to attempt to shoot, to 283 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,640 be a Patsy, shooting JFK or whatever. 284 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:56,680 But actually, everyone pretty much has been a victim of this 285 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,000 kind of programming. We've been given these 286 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,600 information and these these buzzwords like Winston Churchill 287 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,360 and you're supposed to go, yeah. Bulldog, cigar, Tommy Gun. 288 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,840 He was the. He was the hero of World War 2 289 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,600 and Hitler was the Great Satan. Yeah, yeah, and, and, and Darwin 290 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,040 genius overturned all that nonsense. 291 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:24,640 But Galileo, Galileo, the hero who took on the primitive belief 292 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,640 system of the Catholic, the superstitions of the Catholic 293 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:32,320 Church and, and it's all lies. It's all just, or it's a very, 294 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,840 very heavily tweaked in a particular direction. 295 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,120 Everything we're taught is just just programming. 296 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,080 I went to a party the other day. This this an English garden 297 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,200 party was fantastic. Was, there was a, there was a 298 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,560 marquee and it was loads and loads of drinks, whatever drink 299 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,080 you wanted and, and lovely little canapes and people I 300 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,280 wanted to see and lots of Parkland where you could park 301 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,400 your car. And, and it was a dry day 302 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,440 because we're, we're having a, a geoengineered drought at the 303 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,280 moment by the, by the powers that be. 304 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:12,120 And rather sadly, my wife was unable to come with me, which 305 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:14,440 meant that I could behave really, really badly. 306 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,560 Normally, normally I'd be talking about, I'd be, I'd be 307 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,440 keeping my conversation quite, quite careful in case I got 308 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,240 rumbled. But this time I've just every 309 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,640 conversation I was just going in and, and sort of red Pilling 310 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,640 everybody and talking about the nonsense. 311 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,560 But you're right, fun though it is to to go around talking 312 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,400 about, look, look up, look at the what are those lines in the 313 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,960 sky? Why do they disperse like that? 314 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,840 Are you sure that's what meant to happen? 315 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,080 And have you noticed this wind? When did you ever remember wind 316 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,880 like this? When did you ever remember being 317 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,520 this dry? This stuff? 318 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,920 It's it's fun doing it, but you realize that you're just a 319 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,000 basically a gibbering loon to most of them. 320 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:01,000 They don't. They don't get it. 321 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,280 Yes, but have you noticed though who tends to be happier? 322 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,440 Oh, we're, we're living. We're living in the truth, man. 323 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,760 We're. Yeah, it's great. 324 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,320 It's great discovering how awful the world it really is. 325 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,320 I mean, it is. But it's also great discovering 326 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:28,840 how you can not be defeated. I, I think absolutely, 327 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,320 absolutely. I tell you what, do you know 328 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,560 what's been really, really in my thoughts more than anything 329 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,080 recently? This is the time of the year 330 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:45,640 when the first batch of swallows ha or they, they fly. 331 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,360 So the weekend just gone was when the swallows that make 332 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:54,200 their nest every year in the shed opposite the bathroom where 333 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,640 I clean my teeth in the morning. So I'm cleaning my teeth and I 334 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,240 look out of the window and I see that the, the, the mating pair 335 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,440 of swallows get more and more frantic on their, on their 336 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,840 entrances and exits because they've got these, these little 337 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,040 greedy little bastards with their huge beaks to feed. 338 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,880 And they're really, they're, they're, they're effectively 339 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,120 grown-ups and they should be feeding themselves by now. 340 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:22,440 And then the, the, you see them hopping out onto the kind we, 341 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,960 we, we've blocked off the entrance to this, to this shed 342 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,280 with a sort of some picket fencing. 343 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,320 And you, they, they sometimes sit on there for a while waiting 344 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,040 to sort of, sort of stretching their wings, waiting to have a 345 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,600 go. And then they they might make a 346 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,080 little foray to the to, to A, to a roof and then back And then, 347 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,520 and then the next day you see them swooping and diving and and 348 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:49,360 I reckon that in the last over the last weekend, the, the 349 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:53,640 swallow population has quadrupled because the breeding 350 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,120 pairs now their offspring are out up in the air. 351 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:00,440 And with luck, we're going to get maybe well, suddenly one 352 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,800 more brood. I've seen 2/3 broods in the 353 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,120 season. Well, they're leaving it quite 354 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:10,720 late for the for the migration S again, but the joy of seeing 355 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:17,280 that matters so much more than what Keir Starmer is is doing. 356 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,160 And you know, he's doing annoying things and you just got 357 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,320 to kind of laugh it off and focus on what matters. 358 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,000 Yeah, Bob Moore and makes a great comment. 359 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,320 He says approach everything as if it's satire. 360 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,600 And he is so right. Because it is it. 361 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,600 It absolutely is. I, I, I, the, the, the 362 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,680 narratives that we're given, like the one about have you been 363 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,280 following the Lucy Connolly thing? 364 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,440 The Lucy Connolly is she or isn't she? 365 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,920 There's this story which is appearing in the papers about 366 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,200 this woman called Lucy Connolly. And Lucy Connolly, according to 367 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:05,600 the story of being sold to us, tweeted out something about 368 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:12,760 something inflammatory following the the southern southern middle 369 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:18,000 S is it was it southern some the Taylor Swift dance class girls 370 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,720 that were allegedly murdered by an an immigrant immigrant 371 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,600 terrorist? I I see I don't believe any of 372 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,280 these stories. And allegedly this woman was, 373 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,440 was, was put in prison because of an inflammatory tweet. 374 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,880 And we're being invited to believe that this is a terrible 375 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,720 injustice. If it if, if this is what 376 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,880 actually happened and if she's, if she's in prison, etcetera, 377 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,880 etcetera. Yes, all these stories should be 378 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:49,120 treated as SATA, but also they should be be you should always 379 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:55,240 add, add if it really happened because I don't trust any, 380 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,560 anything I, I see in the papers anything. 381 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,440 We're also manipulated. Well, that's what Kid Knightley 382 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,280 from Off Guardian says. If you read something in the 383 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,800 mainstream media, or even alternative media to some to a 384 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,600 large degree these days, treat it as by default as if it's 385 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,000 false. Yeah. 386 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,160 Or at the very least, ask yourself what how it's been 387 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:29,800 slanted, what agenda it's trying to push, which is which is 388 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,720 normally normally fairly obvious. 389 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,520 And my friend Nick Hudson also makes a great comment that's 390 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:40,760 sort of overlapping. He says any big event that 391 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,920 happens anyway is either fabricated or entirely false. 392 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,520 That's, that's the sort of version of, I can't remember, 393 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,920 it's Jellingpoll's first law or Jellingpoll's second law, but it 394 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,680 goes something like the more you know about something, the less 395 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,480 likely it is that it actually happened. 396 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,680 So moon landings, we all know about the moon landings didn't 397 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,560 happen. Ken lone lone gunman killing 398 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,240 Kennedy. Nah, did not happen. 399 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,840 Titanic hit by an iceberg. Nah, Nah. 400 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,280 All these, all these stories. I mean the charge of the Light 401 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,560 Brigade. I wonder, wonder what actually 402 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,280 happened with the charge of the Light Brigade. 403 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,600 Maybe, maybe. No, nobody died, no horses were 404 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:27,800 killed. I don't know. 405 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,840 Why is everything fabricated? Oh, that's easy. 406 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:40,560 That's really easy because the world is run and always has been 407 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,480 run by very, very, very small number of people. 408 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,560 We could, we could, we could take them out anytime because 409 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,640 there's, there's gazillions of us, billions of us, certainly, 410 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:54,200 and there's only what, few thousand of them, the best. 411 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,280 So we could take them out easy, but we don't what? 412 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,680 Why not? Because we don't know. 413 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,640 Most people don't know that the world is run by title, that 414 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,840 they, they, they might sort of been lightly infer it, but they 415 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,280 don't really follow through. They've never never thought 416 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,400 about it deeply. Do you buy? 417 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,800 Do you buy the argument that the world's run by Jews? 418 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,360 No, I'm, I'm. Do you really want to know? 419 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,200 Yeah, that's what I'm asking. I'm, I'm, I'm very much of the, 420 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,800 the Jesse Sabota school. Jesse Sabota. 421 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,040 Some people don't, Some people think that she's not. 422 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:44,160 She's just makes it all up. I think that she has a a 423 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:52,960 worryingly detailed knowledge of the satanic system, which to me 424 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:58,840 accords with what we know about Ephesians, the the rulers of the 425 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,840 darkness of this world, you know, spiritual wickedness in 426 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,280 high places. The idea that the world is, is, 427 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,400 has been the, the, the, the Satan is the God of this world 428 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,120 and various of his kind of junior princelings have got 429 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:18,320 these patches, the, the Prince of Persia and, and, and whatever 430 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,120 they have the different and in the same way, the, the, the 431 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:29,760 followers of, of Satan, the human, the human followers, the 432 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,960 people who practice what's known as the old, the old religion. 433 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,760 In other words, the, the, the, the, the same religious 434 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,680 practices that the Canaanites engaged in that the Phoenicians 435 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,240 engaged in with child sacrifice and so on. 436 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,320 You know that the the gods had different names, but they had 437 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,200 the same, they've had same yearnings for human flesh and 438 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,240 particularly children, children being sacrificed. 439 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,160 They feed on that because I suppose killing an innocent 440 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,440 child is an affront to God and affronting God is what they 441 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:07,960 really want to do all the time. So I think per Jesse Sabota's 442 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:15,480 various podcasts about this, that different parts of the 443 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:21,240 world have been divided into different jurisdictions and 444 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,640 they're all 04. They're all devil worshippers, 445 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,880 Satanists follows the old religion. 446 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,680 But some of them kind of have the, the, the Jew badge. 447 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,120 Some of them have the, the Mason Freemason badge. 448 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,120 Some of them have the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Mormons. 449 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,320 In other words, you've got representatives of, of Satanism 450 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:53,240 in all the different religions. The Catholic Church, obviously 451 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,680 it's got, it's got fairly healthy representation. 452 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,120 I mean, I, I would say that the people who call themselves Jews 453 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,680 probably punch above their weight in terms of the, the 454 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,280 patches that they control. For example, the entertainment 455 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,160 industry and the movie industry. That's quite a bit that's quite 456 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,280 a big deal. The banking industry as well is 457 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,480 pretty, is pretty heavily infiltrated in that school. 458 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,720 But like, no, I don't think that in so far as the word Jews has 459 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,000 any meaning anyway, because it's quite, I mean, Talmudic Judaism 460 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,480 is, is, is quite a modern religion actually, which I think 461 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,240 we, I think we, we, we can probably agree doesn't really 462 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,920 have an awful lot to do with the, with the Old Testament. 463 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,320 I mean, even though they, they, they, the, the number of Jews 464 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,800 who are actually interested in the Torah, I think is, is, is 465 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,240 not as great as, as I think Zionist Christians might 466 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,600 imagine. Do you see what I'm saying here? 467 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,520 So you've, you've got different criminal gangs. 468 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,840 I don't, I don't, I think it's too simplistic to, to blame the 469 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,880 Jews. And also I feel very 470 00:29:53,880 --> 00:30:01,080 uncomfortable given that. I mean, I used to, I've always 471 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,480 found that my Jewish friends have punched above their weight 472 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,240 in terms of being funny and erudite and stuff. 473 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,480 I mean, you could you could argue that's due to generations 474 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,640 of breeding where they're selected for intelligence and 475 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,680 and, and wit and stuff. But what always makes me 476 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,640 uncomfortable when people say it's the Jews. 477 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,520 And I think, well, hang on a second, do you mean everyone in 478 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,440 this world is Jewish? Well, you don't you? 479 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,280 Yeah, sure. You mean families like the 480 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,800 Rothschilds, obviously, But most ordinary Jews, They're just, 481 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,600 they're just as victims of this as much of the rest of us. 482 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,320 Well, that's, that's exactly what I was asking, because I do 483 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,240 think that it is a little bit of a trope. 484 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,240 You know, that it's the Jews thing. 485 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,320 It's the same thing as saying safe and effective because it's 486 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,640 very vague and it doesn't really mean anything. 487 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,640 Can I also say that I don't like to spend too much time 488 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,000 protesting too much, that I don't think it's the Jews 489 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000 because I think that that that's, that's that it is set 490 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,560 itself as another chap. The the the moment you start the 491 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:06,040 whole debate is so fraught that you can't even it. 492 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,600 It's a minefield where you can't even say I don't think it's 493 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:16,080 totally the Jews without them being accused of of being naive, 494 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,360 victim of a psyop, dishonest or whatever. 495 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,560 If I thought it was the Jews, I would say, I mean even if it 496 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,560 meant being being killed. But my research is so far 497 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,080 suggest to me that no, there was it, it is also the Vatican. 498 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,640 It is also the the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons. 499 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,400 And it is definitely the Freemasons and it is probably 500 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,080 the old Italian bloodline, papal bloodline families. 501 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,840 So that's my, that's my answer. That's the best my best answer 502 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,040 at the moment. Well, I mean, I look at it also 503 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,520 like this when, when movements like Black Lives Matter and the 504 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,720 LGBTQ movement and all that blame whites for everything 505 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,280 that's wrong in the world, I see it as the same thing. 506 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,320 When you blame Jews for everything that's wrong in the 507 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,360 world. What you're effectively doing is 508 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,080 promoting them to superhero status, that they have this 509 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,000 ability to control everything and everyone. 510 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,720 And it it pushes you into a perpetual mindset of victimhood. 511 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,880 I do you know what? I kind of don't agree with that 512 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,600 argument. I, I, I see it, I see it, I see 513 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:41,280 it in, in chats where supposedly awake people tell me you really 514 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,480 couldn't, shouldn't credit the Illuminati. 515 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,360 Let's call them the Illuminati or, or the, the cabal, whoever 516 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,400 runs the world, you really shouldn't credit them with so 517 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,160 much intelligence and, and, and power and etcetera. 518 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,640 And I'm going hang on a second. What we shouldn't give credit to 519 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,240 people who've been running the world for the last five or 6000 520 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,400 years. You're. 521 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,240 Yeah. But hold on, hold on. 522 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,120 Yeah, but hold on. This, this. 523 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,200 There's an overlap there saying white people or Jews. 524 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,280 You're looking at one characteristic. 525 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:22,120 A group of globalists or a cabal can be all sorts of different 526 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,400 people. Do you follow? 527 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,080 Yeah, I do. I, I, I'm not sure it's a, it's 528 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,400 a particularly useful distinction, particularly not in 529 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,720 the context of, I mean, if you take William Fink's theories 530 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:46,440 seriously, then it does, it does kind of mean, I mean, I, I think 531 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,280 one has to be modest about this, but it does kind of mean that 532 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,280 Christendom is kind of special because it is descended from 533 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,920 actually people who are really were God's chosen people, Which 534 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,360 is why it's such a very, very tricky thing. 535 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,840 Because on the one hand, I like the idea that, hey, yeah, I'm 536 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,360 one of the descendants of the 12 tribes. 537 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,120 At the same time, I'm thinking, hang on a second. 538 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,560 That means that I'm, I'm the descendant of one of those 539 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,719 tribes that God was enjoining to wipe out all the other tribes. 540 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:25,440 And because of my upbringing. And your upbringing will be the 541 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,040 same. We've kind of been taught to be, 542 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,560 to feel a bit uncomfortable about that, haven't we? 543 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,679 I mean. Well, what you're trying to say 544 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,440 is, yeah. So what you're trying to say is 545 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,120 that the the the argument that Fink makes is that the 546 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,800 Israelites were white, and so therefore the chosen people are 547 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,920 white. Exactly. 548 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:55,199 Also in some of my other researches, Nimrod, You know 549 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:59,680 about Nimrod. Nimrod was the great hunter who 550 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,720 who who sort of masterminded the Tower of Babel. 551 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:14,000 I think Nimrod may have been black, and he was. 552 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,160 He was a baddie. He was a baddie. 553 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,960 Now, I don't know whether if I were, if I were, if I were 554 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,840 black, I'd feel good about that or bad. 555 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,680 I mean, on the one hand, I'd be thinking he was a bad ass. 556 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,400 And he was a really good hunter and he had a really good gang of 557 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,400 hunters. And they did lots of, yeah, they 558 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,000 got rid of all the a lot of the wild beasts which were predating 559 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,280 on people at the time. And he was pretty ambitious and 560 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,320 cool. And Elgar, Elgar wrote one of 561 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,880 his most beautiful pieces of music. 562 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,640 And which is another thing, by the way, sorry, Skitter 563 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,040 skittering around. What is Elgar? 564 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:57,000 Edward Elgar doing? Writing music in praise of one 565 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,320 of the most evil people in the Bible. 566 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,240 I was at school in Morven for 10 years of my life. 567 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:07,240 We were taught to Revere Elgar. It's one of the great things, 568 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,680 the fact that the Enigma Variations were written in the 569 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,400 shape of the Morven hills, I think. 570 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:18,480 And and you're thinking, OK, so you wrote some nice, nice tunes, 571 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,360 some jolly patriotic tunes, pomp and circumstance and stuff. 572 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,600 And then what? What's he doing? 573 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,200 What? Why was he into Nimrod? 574 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,000 And then you start thinking, is everyone who gets to be that 575 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,480 famous, are they in the game on some? 576 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,280 How do they all? Have they all paid homage in 577 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,080 some way to the old gods? Have they all made the pact? 578 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,000 It's a bit of a Segway, but what has been your biggest red pull? 579 00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:01,400 Well, if I'm honest, OK, so my first red pill was the climate 580 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,400 changes bollocks red pill I spent. 581 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,480 Yeah, I mean, that was that was. But you see a bit like the 582 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,760 normies who've gone back to thinking everything's back to 583 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,480 normal after after COVID, I despite the bombshell 584 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,880 discovering that the entire COVID is just a. 585 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,680 Placeholder. The word COVID is just a 586 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,000 placeholder. That's all it is. 587 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,200 Yeah, it is. It is. 588 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,520 Yeah, I, I But then you if you use words like pandemic, it just 589 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,720 makes you sound like a it's like what? 590 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,640 People use the word sheeple. And I'm thinking no, no, don't 591 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,200 use the word sheeple. It really doesn't it, it's not 592 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,200 witty. It's not. 593 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:42,800 Anyway, so I discovered that the entire field of ecology, 594 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,600 environmentalism, sustainability, everything to do 595 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,640 with that was complete ballots, which which actually, when you 596 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,120 think about it, is quite a big deal because that's about half 597 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,400 the world's economy and and about 1/3 of the world's 598 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,840 academic post. So that was a big deal. 599 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,480 But I thought that's also the basis of sustainable 600 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,120 development. It's the basic. 601 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,080 It is. It is the new religion actually. 602 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,000 So. So, yeah. 603 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,640 So I just, I learned all this and then I kind of said to 604 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,120 myself, yeah, OK, well, I've I've rumbled this massive, 605 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:16,520 massive scam. But obviously all, all the other 606 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,600 things that I haven't investigated, they're all right 607 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,400 to the all these other, other branches of science, they're 608 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,400 legitimate evolution. Obviously that's what happened. 609 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:33,520 So I didn't have to have my second awakening in the form of 610 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,400 the I feel, I feel embarrassed about this because I because I 611 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,560 now realize that Trump is an Apollo worshipping Luciferian, 612 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:47,920 bad actor, Zionist, etcetera. But this stolen election of what 613 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,320 was it 2020, the stolen the stolen election. 614 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,080 It wasn't so much that I could see the election being stolen by 615 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:04,760 an incontinent Charles Snitz stroking the guy whose son was 616 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,520 probably being in the pay of China and and had it some 617 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,440 extraordinarily disgusting stuff on his laptop and the guy who 618 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,320 was so unpopular that that that his mind was wouldn't allow on 619 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,400 the campaign trail. It wasn't so much that that this 620 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,400 guy was allowed was was allowed to win the presidential election 621 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,560 become so-called leader of the free world. 622 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,440 What shocked and appalled me was to see all my media colleagues, 623 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,200 the guys who I thought would be in the trenches with you and me, 624 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,760 saying, yeah, and the reason Biden won is because he's 625 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,040 statesmanlike and popular. And whatever lies they made-up 626 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:49,360 to explain why this guy, the the continent loser, won rather than 627 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,120 the popular guy. I said yeah, one second. 628 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:58,600 I became a journalist in order to find out the truth because 629 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,240 I'm, I'm a nosy, but I'm just, I want to know what's, how the 630 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:02,920 world really works and what's going on. 631 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,560 And I'd never make stuff up for an article because I, I thought 632 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,560 that's, that was, that was like a bad thing. 633 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,680 That's, that's not what journalists do or not, not in 634 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,040 the stories anyway. They're, they're not in the 635 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,440 movies. They're kind of heroes and 636 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,800 they're truth seekers and stuff. And I, I was that naive. 637 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,400 I, I really thought that was my job too. 638 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,560 And when I saw everyone else. All these guys I've had drinks 639 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,080 with over the years and trusted not doing what I thought was 640 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,560 their job. I thought, hold on a second, if, 641 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,880 if, if my ideas about journalism aren't true and the media aren't 642 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,960 true, what else do I need to question? 643 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,920 And I gradually realized that I need to question everything. 644 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,400 So it was, that's, that's how it worked. 645 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,720 I, I think you've got to credit these people. 646 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,080 They, they do a pretty good job, don't they? 647 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,080 I mean, they work really hard to do. 648 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,560 They think of every angle, they think of every, every detail. 649 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,400 And I kind of, I kind of have a grudging respect for them, even 650 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,400 though of course they're going to, sadly, they're going to burn 651 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,840 in hell or freeze in hell, depending on what you think the 652 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:18,760 deal is about, about hell. They're, they're, they're not 653 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,040 going to, they're, they're, they're, they're their time in 654 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,360 the sun is, is short lived. There's a very good song. 655 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,600 Now I'm going to, I'm going to learn my next Psalm is going to 656 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,840 be Psalm 73 where it talks about this, where the, where the, 657 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,400 where the narrator of the Psalm says, look, I'm really, I know 658 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,160 you're, I know you're great God, but I'm kind of a bit upset at 659 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,640 the moment, but I'm looking at these really, really bad people 660 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,080 and they're getting away with murder and they're, they're, 661 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,760 they're rich and they're, they're successful and 662 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,280 everything's going well for them. 663 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,080 And, and then later on in the Psalm, he goes, well, how is it 664 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,280 then? Then I, I went into the House of 665 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,240 the Lord and, and sought further advice and I discovered what's 666 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,200 going to happen to these people. And it ain't going to be fun. 667 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,640 So we should be really gentle. We should be praying for these 668 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,880 people every day that they may see the error of their ways. 669 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,080 You know what is the moral of the story? 670 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,520 Put thou thy trust in the Lord and be doing good. 671 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,400 Dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed. 672 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,120 Delight thou in the Lord, and he shall give thee thy heart's 673 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,560 desire. I think that's all you. 674 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:35,280 That's all you can do. Look, I, I don't have the the 675 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,760 man skills to go off off grid and, and get a kind of small 676 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,960 holding and, and and milk goats every day. 677 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,840 I apart from anything else, my family wouldn't buy it. 678 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,880 They just they because they're not, they're not into this kind 679 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,840 of thing. I think that Bob is right. 680 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,720 You've got to treat all the news of satire and and you've got to 681 00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:03,320 assume that everything is a lie. I'm not sure what we can do as 682 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:09,080 individuals other than opt out of this lie system that they've 683 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:14,040 created to manipulate us and do what you and I do, which is to 684 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,520 spread the word and, and both forms of word that the word with 685 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,880 a capital W because I think that the more of us that pray to God, 686 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:30,640 the more it this was this is another of my, my recent 687 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,160 insights. I've been reading this book 688 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:43,920 published in in the 1880s. I think it's called Earth's 689 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:52,920 earliest ages. And it talks about the setup and 690 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,200 it asks it answers the questions, a few questions that 691 00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:01,200 I've always wondered about like, OK, well, how do the the foot, 692 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,760 how do the rebel angels fit into the time scheme? 693 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,160 What was what was happening before Adam and Eve came on, 694 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:10,800 came on board? I think what I've what I've 695 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:20,760 worked out is that the very that, as John tells us, Satan is 696 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,880 that the God of this world? I mean, he wasn't, he was a 697 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,000 Prince. He was that that's that's why he 698 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,240 fell. He was, he was, he was probably 699 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:33,320 God's favorite and if and his arrogance, which is undoing, 700 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,880 which is why pride is considered to be the worst of the sins 701 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,760 because it's the, it's, it's Satan's, it's Satan's sin. 702 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,960 And he's, he's, he's, he's been, he's good at his game and he's, 703 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,840 he's amassed these, this, this army of, of, of, of demons and 704 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,440 devils and, and, and, and, and obviously human supporters. 705 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,720 And they're really, really doing pretty well. 706 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,600 And although we know God wins in the end, because how could he 707 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,080 not? Because he created everything at 708 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,000 the same time, the struggle now is real. 709 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,160 And the bad guys are doing pretty well. 710 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:19,480 And the, the forces of light and goodness, like if you're led by 711 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:24,360 the the Archangel Mike Michael, who's the commander of, of, of 712 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,120 God's God's heavenly host, they, they need our, they need our 713 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,480 help in the form of prayers. It does make a difference. 714 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,000 And I think one has to take this stuff, stuff seriously. 715 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,360 So, yeah. So we need to preach the word 716 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,800 with a capital W, but also the word with a, with a, with a, a 717 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,080 lower case W, which is the truth about the true nature of the 718 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,760 world. I think the more people 719 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,080 understand, the better equipped they'll be to formulate their 720 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,320 own personal strategy for dealing with this craziness. 721 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,400 Because we've all got different skills to bring to the party, 722 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,240 haven't we? I mean, I'm quite good at 723 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,960 talking drivel for an hour on a podcast. 724 00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,240 Other others maybe, it maybe may have different. 725 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:08,360 Yeah, exactly. You too, mate. 726 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,400 I mean, it's God has given us this. 727 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,440 Imagine. Yes. 728 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:18,200 And I'm going to give to James and Germ the ability to talk 729 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,200 rubbish entertainingly for a whole hour or more. 730 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,040 And they're, they're going to spread my word. 731 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,160 Yeah, we've all got different skills and that. 732 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,200 Does that make sense? It makes perfect sense. 733 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:40,280 I think that that one of the the terms I I I dislike is is is 734 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,680 contrarian as as if one picks a position just because it's in 735 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,520 opposition to what everyone else thinks. 736 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,400 And that's never been I, I always go for what I think is 737 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,760 true, even if I've been wrong in the past. 738 00:46:55,080 --> 00:47:00,080 But I think that that's, that's got to be the mission to, to 739 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,440 cleave to the truth and adjust your position according to to 740 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,080 what once you weighed it on the scales. 741 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,200 If you find that that that actually there's counter 742 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,400 evidence which which leads you in a different direction, well 743 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,680 then then look at that. But it's how for me, for 744 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:23,720 example, a big red poll for me in the the COVID era is how 745 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:27,400 wrong Ben Shapiro actually is when he says facts don't care 746 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,160 about your feelings. And I would argue that facts 747 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,000 don't really matter. That's what that's being a huge 748 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,760 awakening for me, how important narratives and storytelling 749 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,760 actually are. And they are the foundation of 750 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,640 humanity, not facts or evidence. Well, I suppose if you, if you, 751 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,000 if you. It depends on how you define 752 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,000 fact. If, if, if, if, if you, if you 753 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,240 define a fact as an embodiment of, of, of truth, then obviously 754 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,240 facts do matter. But I think I, I know the sense 755 00:47:55,240 --> 00:48:01,640 you're, you're talking about facts that facts as a kind of as 756 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,880 a manipulative device to insert into a narrative to make it more 757 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,160 credible. Yeah, I discovered, by the way, 758 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:14,840 I did, I did discover recently an issue that I'm not sure 759 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,320 about. I've been reading this very 760 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:27,200 interesting book on artifacts taken from around the world and 761 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,960 brought back to museums in, in the, in the great capital cities 762 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,960 of Europe. So I was reading an essay about 763 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:45,120 the Nefertiti bust in, in the the Noyers Noyers museum in, in, 764 00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:47,440 in Berlin. You must have seen it. 765 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,480 It's, it's, it's possibly the most beautiful bust ever made. 766 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,600 Nefertiti was Akhenaten's wife and Akhenaten was the rebel, was 767 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:04,200 the rebel pharaoh who who decided that everything was all, 768 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,880 all previous religious practice was, was was now going to be 769 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,520 altered and that everyone's going to worship the sun gods. 770 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,280 And he's sometimes credited with being the first monotheistic 771 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,920 world leader and that and somebody write an opera about 772 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:22,880 him. Akhenaten. 773 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:30,440 Anyway, is it right that that cultural artifacts should be 774 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,680 lifted from from places like Egypt and shipped off to 775 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,520 countries where ordinary Egyptians can no longer afford 776 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,640 the travel or the visas and stuff? 777 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,440 That's interesting. Well, it's interesting because 778 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:48,920 there's all sorts of complications like it was it was 779 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:56,360 removed from it was removed from Egypt in the I think the 19 tens 780 00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:02,920 1920s and the word demands for its repatriation. 781 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,600 And guess who resisted, who fell in love with it and didn't, 782 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,080 didn't want it sent back, it being Germany. 783 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:14,480 Yeah. Yeah. 784 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,440 So, so, so you could say this is the bus that Hitler refused to 785 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,480 return to its rightful, rightful owners. 786 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:23,080 But then you've got further, further complications because it 787 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,200 turns out that the only reason that this bus was rescued was 788 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:32,800 because changing irrigation practices in Egypt at the the 789 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,080 turn of the 19th century, being in the 20th century, meant that 790 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,840 large areas were going to be flooded. 791 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,280 These areas where all these, these tombs and artifacts were, 792 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:49,000 these, these tombs and artifacts were about to be destroyed. 793 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,000 So there was a rush of archaeologists saying, look, 794 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,040 we've got to, we've got to have a concerted international effort 795 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,520 and we need funding, massive fundings to go in there. 796 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,360 So in other words, a lot of this stuff would never have been 797 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,960 revealed had it not been for these, these rich entrepreneurs 798 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,760 funding these expeditions. Oh, and by the way, here's one 799 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,480 of the, one of the main funders of the German exhibition was 800 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,360 Jewish. So you've got this, these, 801 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,160 you've got these different strands of, of on the one hand, 802 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,000 this stuff will still be underground and would never have 803 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,400 been discovered. On the other hand, it, it, it, 804 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,120 it, it comes from their country. So you see what I mean? 805 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,960 It's, it's very, very complicated and interesting and 806 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,880 I quite like that. I quite like something where I'm 807 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,560 not totally sure what I think. And just like that, James 808 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,080 disappeared. If James doesn't come back, then 809 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:45,640 I will bring this to a close. All right, Well, James just 810 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,640 vanished. I suspect his connection 811 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,400 dropped, but since we were coming in for a landing anyway, 812 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:58,160 I will recommend following James Dillingpole the dilling pod. 813 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,880 It's great. Listen and follow James on XI, 814 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,520 forget what he's handled is, but look him up James Dillingpole 815 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,240 and hopefully I will get James back in the near future. 816 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:11,600 With that in mind, my name is Jeremy. 817 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,520 This is Jim Warfare, the battle of ideas.