1 00:00:36,950 --> 00:00:40,480 You didn't just write a book. You and Susan Humphries Carlson, 2 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,800 one of the pivotal books on the history of vaccines. 3 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,640 I mean she wasn't Rogan recently chatting about. 4 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,800 It. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 5 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,920 I mean, that's not what I intended to do. 6 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,160 I was just doing research and I just, after a while, I had 7 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:55,280 enough information and data that I thought I should share it 8 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,520 because no one seemed to know it. 9 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,280 Why? I don't, you know, I was like, 10 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,560 why wouldn't people know this? It's it's in the CDC databases. 11 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,480 It's in National Health Service databases. 12 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,360 It's all through the medical literature. 13 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,080 So why wouldn't anybody know it? But apparently they didn't. 14 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,680 I have I have the 10th anniversary edition because it's 15 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,840 where's where's the camera? There it is Wait, there we go. 16 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,400 No, there we go. There it is. 17 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,680 And I have the one that you never speak about, but the. 18 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,000 Oh yeah, The Companion. Yeah, that's that. 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,920 That was fun. That's got a timeline in it and 20 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,680 hundreds of doctors quotes that were against vaccination and 21 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,240 against the medical system in general and all sorts of goodies 22 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,000 in there. But it's not a book to read. 23 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,440 It's just more of a reference. Here's another good book, not by 24 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,240 you, but Turtles All the Way Down. 25 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,480 It's a great accessory to to your book. 26 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,040 I've heard that, but I haven't read it and I generally don't 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,040 read other books. I agree. 28 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,640 That sounds. That sounded really stupid, 29 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,560 didn't it? I don't read the current books, 30 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,720 I read old stuff. It's like a musician saying I 31 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,320 don't listen to any other music, I just. 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,960 Listen to my no, when I when I started this, I just said I'm 33 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,840 just going to read all the literature and ignore any 34 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,880 current like books that have been written so I wouldn't get 35 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,920 biassed right. So, so I kind of stick with 36 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:13,680 that. So I don't really read any. 37 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,720 Roman, this is your first appearance on my UK column show. 38 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,920 So for my UK column audience who might not know who you are, what 39 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:25,520 is your background? Very quickly, let's get it out 40 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:26,760 of the way so that it's not boring. 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,040 Well, it is boring. So I have an engineering 42 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,160 background. I did computers for a lot of 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,200 years and at one point I had young kids. 44 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,040 I'm going to keep it short, right? 45 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,440 So I had young kids and I decided that after listening to 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,000 the Gary Knoll programme that, you know, I was a little worried 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,200 about neurological damage of from vaccines. 48 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,520 I didn't think it was that big of a deal. 49 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,120 But I did some research and I started reading books and I 50 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,560 found a book by Neil Miller. And then there was a chart 51 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,320 showing the client and mortality rate of measles by 95% before 52 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,080 there was a vaccine in 1963. And I thought, well, this guy's 53 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,680 a lunatic. This can't be true because I had 54 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,840 a belief system in vaccines. I don't know where it came from, 55 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,840 but I didn't anyway, so I went to a local library and I found 56 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,560 Almanacks and the third one if I got some data from there every 57 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,080 10 years from measles deaths. And I charted it on my graph 58 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,600 paper. So this was over 25 years ago 59 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,040 and it was basically the same chart. 60 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,960 And I still didn't believe it because I thought, you know, 61 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,240 maybe the Almanacks wrong. I mean, I just, I just couldn't 62 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,360 accept it. So then I ended up going to Yale 63 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,920 Medical where I walked in, had no idea what I was doing, and I 64 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,560 found these big olive green books called US Vital 65 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,080 Statistics. I was like, well, it's probably 66 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,680 in there. So I started getting data from 67 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,720 there. I went in back and put in my 68 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:52,360 spreadsheet and eventually I charted it and I had this chart 69 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,640 of measles, which we'll see in a little while that showed a 70 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,400 decline of 98% in mortality for measles before there was a 71 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,720 vaccine, which just blew my mind. 72 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,920 And then I saw that for all sorts of other diseases 73 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,560 something just didn't fit. And I questioned myself a long 74 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,120 time. I thought maybe I did something 75 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,520 wrong. Am I misinterpreting the data? 76 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,760 But eventually I realised the data's correct. 77 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,000 Our perceptions of reality were incorrect, or at least my 78 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,680 perceptions were. And then so I started writing 79 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,320 for a little while. I had some proto chapters and I 80 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:29,120 knew I had to have a doctor and I heard Suzanne Humphreys on the 81 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,160 air on Gary. No actually I think it was. 82 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,920 I didn't know who it was. I just turned tuned in in the 83 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,920 middle and I heard this lady. I was like she's talking about 84 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,480 smallpox and I was like I listened for a while. 85 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,040 I was like that's my Co author. I knew it was. 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,280 I gave her a call. We got together, spent four 87 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:45,600 years, got the book out. Short story. 88 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,440 So what is the gist of of of your work? 89 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,720 Using data and history to, you know, really kind of just 90 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,960 understand what really happened as far as infectious diseases, 91 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,720 what our real history is, what caused the decline in infectious 92 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:06,800 diseases? Could it couldn't have been 93 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,240 vaccines or antibiotics because this came in near the tail end, 94 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,840 as we'll see in these charts. So the charts is where I started 95 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:18,840 and then I dig dug deeper into the the medical literature and 96 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:21,240 found all sorts of very interesting things going on and 97 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,520 I'm still learning new things. There's always more to learn. 98 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,200 And so that's the gist of the book. 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:31,680 There's a lot of, you know, subtopics like eugenics, that 100 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,360 type of thing that was served in the 19, early 1900s, late 1800s 101 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:41,760 and how that was used to justify even compulsory vaccinations. 102 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,200 So if we can like sterilise people, then we can, you know, 103 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,040 enforce vaccinations and all sorts of stuff like that that's, 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,320 you know, you don't learn about in school generally or in just 105 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,720 regular old books. And I never found out this stuff 106 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,680 in them and the normal literature. 107 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,960 Show me some shots. Sure. 108 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:03,960 So we'll start, let's see. Hopefully I'm moving here. 109 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,160 So anybody who has wants to get this information or wants to 110 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,800 contact me, here's my contact stuff, right. 111 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,400 So we'll start with the data. So This Is Us Vital statistics 112 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,440 data and it shows disease rates for five infectious diseases. 113 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,880 And it also shows when we had mass production of penicillin, 114 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,680 streptomycin and where the whooping cough vaccine and 115 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,160 measles vaccine came in and there's no scarlet fever 116 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,800 vaccine, right? So these this is what happened 117 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,920 from the early 19 from 1900 on. So all these disease mortality 118 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,880 rates declined. And then later on these 119 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,920 interventions came in and the last one coming in as the 120 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,760 measles vaccine in 1963. And this is where we basically 121 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,760 have a 98% decline in mortality, whooping cough down 90 / 90% 122 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,080 before they came out with a vaccine. 123 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,280 So clearly there's some other factors that were involved in 124 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:58,080 the decline in mortality. So they, they have statistics 125 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,000 starting in 1900 in England, they began in 1838. 126 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,600 And you can see the mortality rate, especially for a scarlet 127 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,360 fever was huge. Scarlet fever was a big killer 128 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,560 and you see these big spikes up and down. 129 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,240 Then around 1875, these things start to decline until you came 130 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:20,600 out with ADTP vaccine in 1957 in England and we're down over 99%. 131 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,120 Measles vaccine 1968, we're down 100% virtually. 132 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,320 So these things were not a big problem by the time that medical 133 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,440 underventions came out. And so you have penicillin again 134 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,040 in 1944 and these types of antibiotics and other medical 135 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,960 interventions. So it wasn't even medical 136 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,760 interventions to 'cause this massive decline in death rate. 137 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,080 And you can see it even in various states. 138 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,120 Here's Massachusetts and here you have tuberculosis. 139 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,360 Tuberculosis was one of the biggest killers in the 1800s, 140 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,280 but you never really hear about tuberculosis much in the United 141 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,240 States is not even part of the vaccine schedule. 142 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,600 So that basically went down to 0. 143 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:02,960 All these diseases you can see a measles is at the bottom there, 144 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,960 the green line. And that hit near 0 for quite a 145 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,880 few years before they came out with a vaccine. 146 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,120 And if anybody wants to actually verify the data, you can go 147 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,360 here, go to the link. Here's all the data that was 148 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:20,960 used to create that chart back here. 149 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,440 So this is the very first chart I created, the green one that's 150 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,160 measles deaths. And you can see in 1963 that's 151 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,080 we're down about 98%. The chart on the left is from 152 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,840 the US Vital Statistics report, but in the 60s. 153 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:41,720 So this is actually in this particular report that the CDC 154 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,240 had, but essentially no one seemed to pay attention to the, 155 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,760 you know, low mortality rate that we're kind of obsessed with 156 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:53,160 doing vaccines. Some of these charts show up in 157 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,360 other books. This one's from a particular 158 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,840 book and you can see the vaccine, which actually was 159 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,080 introduced in 1957 was already down 98% or so. 160 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,760 And here they say in in there and they in that book, they say 161 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,360 you were down 97% in mortality rate from 19 O 1 to 1945. 162 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,800 So pretty much the problem was solved. 163 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,920 You also have these various quotes from medical journals. 164 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,480 This is from 1959 where they're talking about how measles was 165 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,760 not really a serious disease. And I can spend more time in any 166 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,000 of these quotes, but I don't want to like take too much time, 167 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,680 right? And here's 1 from 1960 where 168 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:38,040 they're questioning whether because whooping cough was a 169 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,840 mild disease by this point there, he was questioning 170 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,400 whether we really need to have a vaccine in the 1st place. 171 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,280 And another article in The Lancet 1977, no evidence of 172 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,920 vaccination played a major role in decline in incidence and 173 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,040 mortality, which is what we see in these charts. 174 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,320 We see the the mortality had already been taken care of, 175 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,600 right? The funny thing, Roman, is that 176 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,040 people don't like history. So they'll they'll immediately 177 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,640 respond by saying something like, yeah, but that was 50 178 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:07,960 years ago. That was seven years ago. 179 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,680 We have a much better understanding now. 180 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,160 Yeah, I guess. But the data is the data. 181 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,080 The data shows you exactly what happened. 182 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:17,800 And history is boring. Yeah, I agree. 183 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,400 I hated history when I was in high school. 184 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,360 I was like, history. No thanks. 185 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:24,120 Boring. No. 186 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,800 I think, I think what I'm what I'm suggesting is that it 187 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,440 actually is important what was happening historically because. 188 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,960 Oh yeah, it's it's it's incredibly important because 189 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,200 without knowing the history, you just buy into whatever the 190 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,560 current paradigm is. So the paradigm is vaccine saved 191 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:40,960 us. This is what we need to do. 192 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,760 But when you look at the data, the mortality rate for every 193 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,280 disease I'm talking to, every single so called infectious 194 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,720 disease was down almost 100% or 100%. 195 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,440 So you take tuberculosis, we don't vaccinate for that in the 196 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,480 United States. That's not a real problem. 197 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,160 Scarlet fever went to 0 without a vaccine. 198 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,440 And then you have the ones you know about which are whooping 199 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,520 cough and measles because we have a vaccine. 200 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,720 That's why you know about them. If we never had a vaccine, you 201 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,520 wouldn't even think about measles or whooping cough. 202 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,320 It wouldn't even be on your radar because it would be. 203 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,440 So, you know, it would be considered mild. 204 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,600 So just like it's saying in this Journal of Epidemiology and 205 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,120 Community Health back in 1981, what are we saying here? 206 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,760 Whooping cough, muses, are no longer important causes of death 207 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,720 or severe illness, and it's only occurring in a small minority of 208 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,680 children who are disadvantaged, malnourished. 209 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,880 Otherwise, most children get over it and without too much 210 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:40,520 trouble, which is different than at least my perception was that 211 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,840 these diseases were really deadly. 212 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,000 Whooping cough, which is basically coughed to death. 213 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,240 Measles would somehow just, you know, totally take you over and 214 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,160 kill you. This is my perception. 215 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,320 But it turned out that wasn't even, that wasn't true either. 216 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,720 All these diseases became more and more mild until they were 217 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,720 just not a major part of mortality statistics. 218 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,400 But if you listen to the media and it's like every time there's 219 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,600 a measles case, people think they're all going to die. 220 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,720 So, but it's just simply not true. 221 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:13,520 And this is a very important study. 500 consecutive cases of 222 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,400 whooping cough back in 95. And the conclusion is most cases 223 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,080 are mild and you don't have to worry about, parents can be 224 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,480 reassured. A serious outcome is unlikely. 225 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,960 Now, most people think whooping cough, like I said, you're 226 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,240 basically coughed to death and that's what's going to happen. 227 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,800 This is not what happens. And you can there's there's 228 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,440 different journal articles and books from the time that talked 229 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,920 about the decline in mortality rate from these diseases were 230 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,960 down 90% before 1940, before there was anything available. 231 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,960 This guy McCormick, this is a really long quote from 1951. 232 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,320 And he was noticing that the the decline in all these diseases 233 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,640 had nothing to do with basically any kind of medical intervention 234 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,280 because the ones they had medical interventions for 235 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,960 declined at the same rate. The ones they didn't have, which 236 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,640 is what you see in the charts. McKinley talked about this. 237 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,240 Medical measures had very little to do with the mortality 238 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,680 decline. We always are told that it's our 239 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:14,440 medical system that did it right. 240 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,120 And it's generally that's not true. 241 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,760 It's our, you know, our health improved radically from the 242 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,440 1800s into the mid 1900s. That's what really did things, 243 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,960 you know, and there's a whole bunch of things behind that. 244 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,320 Engineering projects, electricity, replacing horses 245 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,480 with cars, sanitation, hygiene, all these things came in. 246 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,600 That's what really caused the mortality decline. 247 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,240 It wasn't these medical interventions. 248 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,640 And you can see that in the chart. 249 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,120 So they had a chart in their study. 250 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,520 You see the the, the solid line going down, down, down. 251 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,560 And you also see very interesting the GDP, how much we 252 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:51,600 spend on healthcare from 1930s goes up, up, up starts at 3 1/2% 253 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,760 and by the 1970s, eight and a half percent. 254 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:59,440 And now we're actually close to 18% of our GDP, or one in $5 255 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,960 spent on healthcare. So and now and now people are 256 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,560 the unhealthiest they've ever been. 257 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,280 Yeah, I think my opinion is that we peaked. 258 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:13,880 We had peak health in the 60s, seventies, 50s, sixties, 70s. 259 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,080 After, you know, around 1980, things started going downhill 260 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,840 and we got hooked on medications to fix everything. 261 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,680 We got hooked on junk foods, we got hooked on the Internet and 262 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,960 all these things that made us weaker and weaker and less 263 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,280 healthy obesities, you know, off the charts. 264 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:35,200 Vitamin D deficiency is really rampant and people are unfit. 265 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,280 You can go to like a Walmart or in a big box store and you see 266 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,760 people walking around and they're not doing too good and 267 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,800 people are in little carts and you know, people are pale. 268 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,640 They're just unhealthy looking for the most part. 269 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,760 There's, there's exceptions, but the this is not what it was like 270 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,080 in the 50s and 60s and 70s. People are generally thin and 271 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,160 you know, relatively fit. But now it's just just, you 272 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,080 know, the health of our societies have degraded, 273 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,000 especially in the Western, Western world. 274 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,880 It's a good point that you made now about the Western world, 275 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:13,040 because I think in many Eastern bloc or just Eastern countries, 276 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,200 I mean you still don't really see I really. 277 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,560 Yeah, I really don't know. I've seen a few videos like from 278 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,920 Moscow or some places in China and people look relatively thin 279 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,840 still and they look relatively healthy. 280 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,640 Is that, you know, I don't have any data on that, but that's 281 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,280 just my perception. Yeah, I mean, I was in Hong Kong 282 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,600 last year and I struggled to find any fat people. 283 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,400 Yeah, a number of years ago. Well, this is now about 20 years 284 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,880 ago or 15 years ago, I was in Stockholm and I was shocked. 285 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,840 People were walking around. Everybody looked pretty, pretty, 286 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,840 pretty good shape. And that wasn't the case. 287 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,480 When I came back to New York City, I was like, wow, what a 288 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,120 difference, you know, quite shocking. 289 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,240 I don't know how Stockholm is now, but that was because that 290 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,600 was a while ago. But yeah, other other places 291 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,800 are, you know, doing fairly well health wise. 292 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,680 United States not so much in other Western countries I 293 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,760 understand too, like Australia. So people go well, you know, at 294 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,960 least we have a vaccine and the vaccine is giving us extra 295 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,960 protection. So here in this chart we have 296 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,840 from England from basically nineteen O 1 to 2008. 297 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,760 And we had the more this is like the total number of deaths from 298 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,880 whooping cough and the whooping cough vaccine came in way at the 299 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,880 tail end 1957. And in the in the 70s there was 300 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,000 a scare about the DTP vaccine causing neurological damage, 301 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,800 which it did. And we see a drop in vaccination 302 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,600 and the medical system panicked and they got the vaccination 303 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,280 rates back up. That's the dotted blue line. 304 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,720 But you'll see that during that big drop, there's no increase in 305 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,600 deaths. Nothing, nothing happened. 306 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,600 There might have been more cases because they were looking for 307 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,280 them, but nothing really happened right. 308 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,040 Then we have an example of Sweden where they were 84% of 309 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,120 the children who had three shots were still being found to have 310 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,000 whooping cough by, you know, whatever test they were using. 311 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,119 And they determined the DTV vaccine was ineffective and 312 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,640 there was concerns over safety. So they discontinued nationally 313 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,319 the 9/19/79, the whooping cough vaccine. 314 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,040 And so for 17 years they had no national programme for whooping 315 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,319 cough. And you can see in this chart, 316 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:21,359 by 1953, most of the problem was already taken care of anyway. 317 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,040 And for those 17 years, there is really no difference in 318 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,160 mortality rate from, you know, from whooping cough. 319 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,440 There was it's basically didn't do anything. 320 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,200 So they had they were just as good having no vaccine as having 321 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,840 a vaccine as far as mortality rate from whooping cough. 322 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,960 And so then some people tell me, well, at least we have some 323 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,440 protection and so we should do it anyway. 324 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,440 OK, but you're, you're these guys are they screw around with 325 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,000 your biology without really knowing what they're doing. 326 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,880 So what they replace the DTP vaccine, which they found 327 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,320 eventually, you know, they finally conceded that, yeah, it 328 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,740 caused some neurological damage. So they came out with a so 329 00:18:00,740 --> 00:18:04,600 called safer vaccine, the Dtap. The the small A is attenuated 330 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,200 pertussis. And this is from Doctor James 331 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,560 Cherry. And everybody should go find 332 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,200 this article and read it. And what he's saying here is all 333 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,560 children primed by the DTAP vaccine will be more susceptible 334 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,800 to whooping cough throughout their lifetimes. 335 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,600 And there was no easy way to decrease this increased lifetime 336 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,600 susceptibility. So what he's saying here is we 337 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,000 with this linked epitome suppression, they've messed up 338 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,680 your immune system response permanently. 339 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,360 So now you're more susceptible to whooping cough. 340 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:40,080 So he also suggested that and this guy is the world expert on 341 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,720 pertussis and pertussis immunisation. 342 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,800 So he, he recommended that everybody should get a vaccine 343 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,640 for the rest of your lives every three years for the D TAP 344 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,720 because it wears off. And so he, this is his way of 345 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,560 like, oh, well, how are we going to protect everybody? 346 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,400 Well, we'll just vaccinate everybody every three years. 347 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,960 Back in the, in the 50s, it was supposed to be one shot protects 348 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,440 you for life. But now it's like, oh, well, you 349 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,400 just have to take a shot every three years, no big deal. 350 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:09,200 So by screwing up your immune system forever, they that's what 351 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,240 they're recommending. So everybody should be really 352 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,520 disturbed by this. I was disturbed by this when I 353 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,320 first read it. And everybody should download 354 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,880 it. And then you can always ask your 355 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,960 doctor and say, Hey, what about this? 356 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:21,840 Why is my immune system screwed up? 357 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,840 Did you guys know this? No, they didn't know when they 358 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,760 were doing this. They just assumed it was a 359 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,360 better idea. And they just start doing it on 360 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:35,120 the, on the, on the population. Then we can talk about the flu 361 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,360 vaccine that's a little different. 362 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,200 So flu and pneumonia deaths down 90% before there was a vaccine. 363 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,960 So there still was somewhat of a problem, right? 364 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,880 And then they began vaccinating in the 70s, there was a big 365 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,960 swine flu disaster. So vaccination rates peaked up a 366 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,960 little bit and went back down. And by the, you know, 2000s were 367 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,520 at like 95% or whatever it is, 80 percent, 7580%. 368 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:06,240 In 65 year olds or or older, but you'll see here the brown line, 369 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,960 that's the mortality rate and the mortality rate after 40 370 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,840 years is essentially the same. So the flu vaccine hasn't 371 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,320 decreased mortality. It's basically they're, they're 372 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,840 always emphasising get your flu vaccine, get your flu vaccine. 373 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,920 But the death rate hasn't changed in over 40 years. 374 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,280 It's actually longer than that. I've updated the chart since 375 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:30,240 then But so it's about 50 years of no real no benefit. 376 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,560 And this is a very interesting quote and every should get this 377 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,400 too from cell host and microbe. And this is Fauci is the third 378 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,000 author on this and I'm just going to read the whole thing 379 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,840 cuz it's important. After more than 60 years of 380 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,160 experience with influenza vaccines, very little 381 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,280 improvement in vaccine prevention of infection has been 382 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,800 noted. As pointed out decades ago and 383 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,960 still true today, the rates of effectiveness are best approved 384 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,280 influenza vaccines. I should move this out of the 385 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,200 way would be inadequate for licensure for most other vaccine 386 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,640 preventable diseases. It is not surprising that none 387 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,520 of the mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been 388 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:13,640 controlled by vaccines. So viruses, mucosal respiratory 389 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,320 virus. High mortality rates have thus 390 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,520 far eluded vaccine development efforts. 391 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,160 So this is an admission that the vaccine for the flu has not 392 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,240 worked, but we're still going to do it. 393 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,880 They still recommended every year. 394 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,200 So they're not looking at their own literature and saying, well, 395 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,160 this has not worked. What they're doing is they're 396 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,160 coming out with new vaccines because they have new ideas 397 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,160 after 60 years of failure. Well, let's try it this way. 398 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,000 Maybe that will work. And then they experiment on the 399 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,720 public because the public doesn't know they're being 400 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,520 experimented on. And This is why it's good to 401 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,600 know history. It's good to know what's going 402 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,880 on in the medical literature. And, you know, it's really 403 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,520 important. And I think if you know this 404 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,360 stuff, you, you go back and go, yeah, you start questioning 405 00:21:55,360 --> 00:22:02,160 everything just like I did. So the final thoughts on all 406 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,840 this, you know, contrary to popular belief, it wasn't 407 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,640 antibiotics and vaccines that saved us from all these various 408 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,480 things, from scarlet fever to tuberculosis and, you know, 409 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,760 whooping cough and measles. It was something else. 410 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,440 It wasn't vaccines because sometimes you didn't even have a 411 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,480 vaccine, as in the case of scarlet fever, or they're not 412 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,600 really used, as in the case of tuberculosis, which by the way, 413 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,040 again, tuberculosis was the giant killer. 414 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,040 That was around 400 to 450 deaths per 100,000. 415 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,720 And then scarlet fever was like 120 deaths per 100,000. 416 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,600 Whooping cough and measles were down in the 40s to 60. 417 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,080 So just they were a lot less bigger of a problem than these 418 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,080 other diseases. But we don't really think about 419 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,880 the other diseases because we don't have a whooping. 420 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,920 You know, we have a whooping cough vaccine, We have a measles 421 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,720 vaccine. And that's why we know about 422 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,160 those. The other ones we forgot about, 423 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,080 even though those were much bigger killers. 424 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,960 So then comes the question which I had was like, well, if it 425 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,440 wasn't that, what did change? You know, why did we have a 426 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,040 decline in mortality rate? And we have this perception of 427 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,240 the good old days where people had top hats and twirled 428 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,520 parasols and everything was just wonderful. 429 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,440 But that's not how most people lived. 430 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,640 It just hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. 431 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,400 Yeah, This, this, this thing about everything being terrible 432 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,480 only really occurred after the advent of the Industrial 433 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,920 Revolution, right? Yeah, a lot of that is true, 434 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,160 right. So you have people streaming 435 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,440 into cities, overcrowding, this is later, this is in the 30's, 436 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,280 the Hooverville, this is outside this big cities, you know, 437 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:46,320 economic problems, right, Right. So what you had is, you know, 438 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,520 starting in the late 1700s, early 1800s, you start to have 439 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,160 people crowding into these cities. 440 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,200 So you had to have this horrible housing where people were just 441 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,760 crammed in there and it was filled with their own waste. 442 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,640 It was filled with vermin. And this is how a lot of people 443 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,560 lived. So if you, if you looked at the, 444 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,960 let's say, 1850s London, you had the West End where the rich 445 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,200 people lived. It was, you know, pretty good. 446 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,400 It was OK. They had some paved streets and 447 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,320 generally they were OK. Then you had the West End of 448 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,360 London where there were hundreds of thousands of people living on 449 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:21,280 the, you know, what they called the ragged edge of the misery. 450 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,840 They were extremely poor. They were malnourished. 451 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,840 They lived in their own faeces and, and people had to, you 452 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,120 know, do whatever they could to make a make a penny. 453 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,800 And you know, over 80,000 women turn to prostitution just to 454 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,240 make some kind of money. So it was really just an amazing 455 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,240 divergent a few miles apart and at the rich over here. 456 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,800 And then you had the miserable pour over here that struggle to 457 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,400 stay alive. There's no sanitation or sewage. 458 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,920 Everything just went into the streets. 459 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,560 So you would just throw all your waste into the into those into 460 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,960 the streets, or you have some kind of common Privy and all 461 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,840 that stuff ended up going to your water supply, which was 462 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,000 mixed with industrial waste from Tanners and other factories. 463 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,720 So that was all where your water came from and you would have to 464 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,880 drink that. So now you're drinking 465 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,720 contaminated water. We also had no real good 466 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,440 transportation except everything was done with horses and they 467 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,800 had to go to the bathroom too. So they pooped in the streets 468 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,280 and peed in the streets and that went into your water supply or 469 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,520 you walk through it and dragged it into your your house or 470 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,520 apartment or Hubble. So that's another thing that we 471 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,840 had back then. We also had enormous amounts of 472 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,000 air pollution because how did you heat everything coal? 473 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,400 How did you do anything with, with industry's coal? 474 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,000 And you burnt coal and it went up into the atmosphere. 475 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,160 And the London fog was not a fog like I used to think when I was 476 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,920 a kid. Oh, it's just foggy in London. 477 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,800 OK. No, that was just industrial 478 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,200 pollution. So that come down and settle 479 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,000 onto the streets. Sometimes it was so bad you 480 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,080 couldn't even see the sun at at noon. 481 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,920 So you're now you're in a industrial chimney breathing 482 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,880 this stuff in, day in, day out. So that's another impact on your 483 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,120 health. The food supply was abysmal 484 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:10,800 because we didn't have refrigeration. 485 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,800 So, you know, things would get slaughtered. 486 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,960 A lot of times they slaughtered animals inside the cities. 487 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,840 And this is what you ate. You just ate food that was 488 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,000 decaying. It was, you know, you know, some 489 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,720 of the milk, milk was horribly infected with contamination. 490 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,720 And so people are eating this disease food when they're living 491 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,240 in this horrible environment. At various times, there's people 492 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,640 just basically starving to death. 493 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,080 They're just literally starving to death. 494 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,320 So of course you wouldn't be too healthy if you're starving to 495 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,080 death. We just mentioned the gross 496 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,160 overcrowding. So you had tonnes and tonnes of 497 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,560 people just jammed in. And this is kind of a 498 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,760 horrifying. So people would die in these 499 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,280 apartments, their family members would die and that's where they 500 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,440 stayed. The rotting corpses would stay 501 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,120 with them because they had to somehow get these people buried, 502 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,680 right? So, so you had these people 503 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,560 jammed in together. Working was horrifying. 504 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,680 A lot of people had to work 12/16/18 hours a day just to try 505 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,440 to stay alive. So not only were they 506 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,400 malnourished, living in a industrial toilet, breathing in 507 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,000 smog, but they also had to work and huge amounts of time it, you 508 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,400 know, really just mind numbing, soul crushing labour. 509 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,720 And you know, and this is shocking because no one would 510 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,480 actually do this these, you know, these days is child 511 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,640 labour. So you had children as young as 512 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,040 3-4 or five years old working in mines, working in factories. 513 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,080 And it's not surprising that a lot of these children ended up 514 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,000 just basically destroyed, you know, basically cripples their, 515 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,360 their health would have been just completely destroyed. 516 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,160 And then if you did get sick with something, whatever it may 517 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,880 be, here's a case of a 7 year old girl who was working, who 518 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,920 was probably malnourished, who was, you know, working non stop 519 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,640 and exposed to these elements. And then she got some kind of 520 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,960 case of measles and then died, died in the sun. 521 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,760 And then we had medicine coming in and they had a lot of very 522 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,160 bizarre notions. They were bleeding people for 523 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,200 centuries for almost every condition. 524 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,720 They were giving people toxic medications based on mercury and 525 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,720 arsenic and strychnine. And they had this thing called a 526 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,560 hot regimen for things like like smallpox where they would put 527 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,080 you in a room, deprive you of fresh air, fresh water, maybe 528 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,720 give you a little mercury and keep you very hot. 529 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,560 And a lot of people just died from that treatment. 530 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,320 So they might be treating smallpox or measles, but then 531 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,000 the treatment itself was deadly. And then there are, there's 532 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,600 hundreds of doctors that realise vaccination and the only vaccine 533 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,680 then was against smallpox. And we like to think, you know, 534 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,440 we have a vaccine. You take a nice clean hypodermic 535 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,000 needle put in your arm. But that's not what the original 536 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,720 vaccine was. What they would do is they would 537 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,400 take a sharp instrument called The Lancet and they would cut 538 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,320 your arm repeatedly. And then we take this pus from 539 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,560 some unknown source and smear it into your arm. 540 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,000 And that's what a vaccine was. And so you can imagine you might 541 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,960 get sepsis, you might get all these different diseases because 542 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,680 you're putting some unknown material filled with microbes 543 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,480 and putting it into your blood supply. 544 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,360 So there are a lot of doctors like this, Henry G Hanchett, 545 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,200 who, you know, determined that vaccination is worthless and 546 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,040 it's harmful and creates all these other diseases. 547 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,280 This is a sketch from the Poor man's Guardian in the 1847. 548 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,200 And this is a representation of how people lived. 549 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,840 So you have that middle layer. It's just they're just jammed in 550 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,240 there. Upstairs, there's a bunch of 551 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,040 beds that people are jammed into. 552 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,560 And people even lived in the in the basement. 553 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,200 They have basement apartments where people lived in the sewer 554 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,160 with a vermin. This is where they lived. 555 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,080 It's just pretty unimaginable because that would have been 556 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,000 filled with faeces and rats and cockroaches. 557 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,040 But that's where you would stay. And this is how millions of 558 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,160 people live their lives. And this is I was talking about 559 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,560 in London in the 1860s, you have hundreds of thousands in the 560 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,480 East End of London that were the miserable poor and, you know, 561 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,840 80,000 women turning to prostitution people. 562 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,280 You know, just, it was just horrifying. 563 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,880 And so you have all these things, hazardous housing, 564 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,480 sewage, the horses dropping dung everywhere, the coal in the 565 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,160 atmosphere. And by the way, you're also 566 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,120 blocking out sunlight so you're not in the way people dressed. 567 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,520 You got almost no sunlight on your skin. 568 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,560 So vitamin D levels would have been near 0. 569 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,560 Vitamin C was already probably near 0. vitamin A was probably 570 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,240 near 0. So you're massively 571 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,160 malnourished. So you have also starvation, 572 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,760 overcrowding, the brutal punishing work, child labour, 573 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,560 neglected care, deadly medicine and vaccination. 574 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:06,760 How could anybody be healthy? And so, you know, despite the 575 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,400 way I used to think about things that there was, it was really 576 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,760 nice. They had carriages and they went 577 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,320 to the balls and it was really nice. 578 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,480 That's not the way it was for a lot of people. 579 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,760 There's a poor girl who was a one of these people working in 580 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,600 the cotton factories early 1900s. 581 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,240 So what changed? There was a massive health 582 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,080 revolution. That's what I call, they used to 583 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:35,120 call the sanitation revolution. And what's what started shifting 584 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,920 is what I already mentioned. So we started having different 585 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:43,320 things change throughout the many decades starting around 586 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,960 1870 and going all the way to, you know, 1940s, fifties and 587 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,680 60s. And so we have public water 588 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,920 coming in, pipes and sewers, hand washing, getting rid of all 589 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,800 these slum apartments, moving in the industries outside from the 590 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,000 outside, the cities, tanneries and slaughterhouses, improving 591 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,760 the milk supply, union and labour laws, child labour laws, 592 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,240 public schools, people. Instead of going to factories, 593 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,880 you went to school and learn how to read and write. 594 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,560 So that was great. Proper handling of of food, 595 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,240 vastly better nutrition, fruits and vegetables, exercise, 596 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,800 sunshine, great engineering projects. 597 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,880 Electricity has transformed the world. 598 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,800 Now you have a refrigeration, you have cars instead of horses 599 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,960 carrying Everything Everywhere, the flush toilet tackling the 600 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,120 water and air pollution. No more bleeding, no more 601 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,560 medications based on mercury and arsenic, less smallpox 602 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,080 vaccination. So what they did for 100 years, 603 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,120 they would put that puss in your arm and go from arm to arm to 604 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,400 arm. So they had arm to arm 605 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,720 vaccination for 100 years and basically just the overall 606 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,960 general improvement in society and standard of living. 607 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:56,600 This is what changed everything. Yes, but it doesn't make money. 608 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,920 It doesn't make money for the Pharmaceutical industry. 609 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,640 It makes money for farmers and engineers, but that's not a lot 610 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,200 of money. So what you're telling me, 611 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:14,160 ultimately, Roman, is that vaccines didn't eradicate these 612 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,440 diseases, plumbers did? Yeah, plumbers, engineers, there 613 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,880 was hundreds of thousands of people, activists that said 614 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,800 we're going to clean up the streets, we're going to get rid 615 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,440 of these slums. You know, all these things came. 616 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,200 We're not going to let children four or five or six work in in 617 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,920 factories anymore. We'll only allow 12 year olds 618 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,680 and then 16 year olds and 18 year olds. 619 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,680 And then we said, well, we're not going to let people work 70 620 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,480 hours a week, 80 hours a week in horrible conditions. 621 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,080 We're going to clean up the factories. 622 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,320 We're going to limit it to 60 hours, 50 hours, 40 hours. 623 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,680 So then eventually we had life in the, you know, forties, 50s 624 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,800 and 60s was so much different than it was in the 1800s. 625 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,720 So anybody alive in the 1800s would have been just blown away 626 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,160 at the transformation. So essentially it went from life 627 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,880 like this to life like this. And these are pictures from the 628 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,320 50s, sixties and 70s. That's how I grew up on them 629 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,639 bottom right hand corner with the little bikes and everything. 630 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,080 It's great and horrible clothes that my mom made me wear, but 631 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:24,520 you know, so we went the. Year growing up, I had a BMX and 632 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,560 I was. I remember it was one of those 633 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,719 banana bikes. I don't know what kind of brand 634 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:29,880 it was. Yeah, I know. 635 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,760 It's like, OK, that's not a thing anymore. 636 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,400 Anyway. So you had life on the left 637 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,480 where child labour and pollution and horrible conditions to the 638 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,120 Fifties, 60s and 70s when we had optimal health and we had a 639 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,440 society transformed, but then we forgot that that happened. 640 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,840 So I call it the world's greatest health revolution. 641 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,159 We forgot about it. If we knew about it, and this 642 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,160 goes back to your point, if we knew about this history, we 643 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,160 wouldn't be susceptible to everything has to be medical, 644 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,560 medical, this, medical that we talked about that we have 645 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,920 healthcare, but we have medical care. 646 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,880 We don't have healthcare. So it's a we've tied those two 647 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,440 words together very, you know, I don't know if it was done on 648 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,960 purpose, probably was, but you know, we don't have healthcare 649 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,160 which promotes the things that actually made the difference, 650 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,200 not just some kind of drug for everything or shots for 651 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,760 everything. And so by there, you can find 652 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,280 these things in the Thirties, 40s and 50s in the literature 653 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,120 saying, hey, yeah, we don't really have to worry about 654 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,600 measles, scarlet fever, whooping cough, because we have advances 655 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,600 in sanitary science. We have refrigeration. 656 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,840 We have better water supplies. So everything's more or less 657 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,280 taken care of. It keeps on dropping. 658 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,360 And we can expect complete eradication of these diseases, 659 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,520 which we did because scarlet fever went away and tuberculosis 660 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,680 went away, more or less. But then people, you know, 661 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,920 continue to focus on vaccination as some kind of solution to 662 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,200 something we didn't really need to solve other diseases that we 663 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,480 probably don't think about anymore. 664 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,680 Pelegra Berry Berry scurvy, These are big, big problems too. 665 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,720 Scurvy in particular was a deadly problem. 666 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,200 And people would think and logically so that somebody came 667 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,720 out of the ship and then people started getting sick and losing 668 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,280 their teeth, that there was some kind of infection going around. 669 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,120 So there was always this idea, these things that were 670 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,440 infective. So scarlet fever, pellagra Berry 671 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,240 Berry, once thought to be, you know, infectious diseases, but 672 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,960 they just turned out to be vitamin C deficiency and vitamin 673 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,400 B3 and B1 deficiencies. And if we map out the deaths 674 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,760 from measles and scurvy, scurvy was a less less of a killer by 675 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,680 this point. But you can see they map almost 676 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,120 directly. So as measles deaths went down, 677 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,480 scurvy deaths went down because they're tied together. 678 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,680 Same thing with whooping cough. You can see the death rate 679 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,760 declining for scurvy and whooping cough, which is not 680 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,480 surprising. The overall health of the people 681 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,120 improved. Then you didn't have a problem. 682 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,960 And then there's studies that showed just vitamin A could 683 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,560 reduce the overall mortality rate for let's say measles, 684 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,320 right? So Doctor Klenner, who everybody 685 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,640 should know who that is, but we forgot about him too use vitamin 686 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,680 C, just vitamin C for measles. And he had no problem with 687 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,480 measles by just giving them vitamin C. 688 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,120 He also used it in all sorts of different conditions and always 689 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,560 has spectacular results. But vitamin C is not a big money 690 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,600 maker. So it was basically ignored. 691 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,320 So basically we had a massive health transformation from the 692 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:47,080 again around 18601870. So by the time we hit the 1950s, 693 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,560 sixties and 70s, we were done. We were happy. 694 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,720 We should have just kept on going in that direction. 695 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:56,040 But we shifted further and further away from health and 696 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,720 towards less health and more pharmaceutical solutions for 697 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,200 every problem and every a shot for every problem. 698 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,600 And so today we're all obese, we're vitamin D fit. 699 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,200 Well, not everybody, but a lot of people are. 700 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,040 And then people get hooked on these medications, which also 701 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,360 cause increased nutritional problems like depleting your 702 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,160 magnesium. And we're also magnesium 703 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,040 deficient because of our industrial aquaculture, by the 704 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,360 way. So instead of correcting those 705 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,400 fundamental problems and getting people to exercise, eat 706 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,720 properly, we say, well, eat whatever you want, get fatter 707 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,920 and fatter and then we'll give you Ozempic or we'll do a 708 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,840 Bastric bypass. And and you know, they're 709 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,520 starting to test for vitamin D and they're finding like pretty 710 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,200 much everybody's, you know, deficient in vitamin D. 711 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,160 And what's the solution there? Sunshine, sunshine, fresh air. 712 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,040 Just like it was determined in the early 1900s, people finally 713 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,320 figured out the solution to health was pretty easy. 714 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:54,120 But we've over complicated it with the, you know, giant 715 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,120 Pharmaceutical industry or, you know, healthcare. 716 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,760 So we can go back to the original idea behind 717 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,240 vaccination, which was smallpox. OK. 718 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:10,120 And it's very interesting. I found this quote from 1688. 719 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,480 And Thomas Sydenham, which is considered the father, father of 720 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,480 English medicine, he noted that when he did his particular 721 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,280 treatment, not doing that hot regimen, that he found that 722 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,040 smallpox was a slight and safe disease. 723 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:28,080 He found that the people who are doing this hot regimen because 724 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,000 he promoted this cool regimen, that's where the people were 725 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,760 dying from a smallpox. And he actually communicate with 726 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,440 this doctor Cole, and he tried it as well. 727 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,240 And he found that. Well, OK, yeah, you're right. 728 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,560 You found the cure for smallpox. Don't do the hot regimen. 729 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:47,640 Just do the cool regimen. This is our hero that people 730 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,520 worship in the medical system is Edward Jenner. 731 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,920 He came up with this idea of taking pus from a cow. 732 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,960 Actually, he thought it was from a horse and scratching it onto 733 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,680 somebody's arm, which was already a procedure called 734 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,200 inoculation. They would take pus from 735 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,240 somebody who had smallpox and scratching it into their arm. 736 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,640 And he decided that, you know, cow pox is so well, that's a lot 737 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,600 better. So it's, it's perfectly easy to 738 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,000 do. It's perfectly safe and will 739 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,000 keep you sip here from smallpox for life, which wasn't true. 740 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,680 Doctors from 18-O518101817 all found that that wasn't true. 741 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:23,680 They wrote about in the medical journals, but they were. 742 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:29,800 Again, ignored. And here's one guy who also John 743 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:36,560 Birch in 1814, who noted that about 2/3 of the most smallpox 744 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,760 deaths for centuries was because of this hot regimen and using 745 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,760 these heating cordials and I'm sure other medications as well. 746 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,880 So it wasn't the disease that was killing them. 747 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:53,120 It was these poor medical interventions and you never knew 748 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,400 where your vaccine came from. So it could have came from a 749 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,240 variety of different animals. The main factions end up being 750 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,000 from a cow, which they had really hard time finding this 751 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:07,720 supposed cow virus, but Jenner actually think thought it came 752 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:09,680 from horses. So a lot of the vaccine material 753 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,680 actually came from this disease called the grease. 754 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,800 They also another big faction that those are the ones in the 755 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,120 yellow circles was taking pus from somebody who died from a 756 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,240 smallpox or had smallpox or was had a blanket on them from 757 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:28,000 smallpox, which they would then hang on a cow's head or transfer 758 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,440 to a cow. And then the cow was somehow 759 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,280 magically transform it. So you had these three different 760 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,480 factions mixing into all this different vaccine material that 761 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,720 you would scratch onto your arm. And then for 100 years they'd go 762 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,480 from arm to arm to arm to arm, you know, scratching the stuff 763 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,680 from people's arms. And that's what a vaccine was. 764 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,600 They also had something called retro vaccination. 765 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,280 So they would take this pus from animals, put it back on humans 766 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,640 and back to animals again to supposedly make it more virulent 767 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,480 so it would actually do what it was supposed to do. 768 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:02,440 And they found out by the late 1800s that when they started 769 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,880 using the microscope, they will look at this vaccine material 770 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,120 under the microscope and they would find all sorts of fungus 771 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,360 and bacteria and, and traces of blood. 772 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,000 And this is what the vaccine was being used and promoted and 773 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,640 scratched onto people's arms for over 100 years. 774 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:25,000 And this is a a correspondence with a vaccine manufacturer and 775 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,800 then early 1900s from Doctor Hodge, who wanted to know where 776 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,280 this stuff came from. And they had to admit eventually 777 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,960 it was basically from a tramp that had smallpox who slept in 778 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,760 the stables and somehow the cows got sick. 779 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,240 So that's where their vaccine material came from. 780 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,440 And I mentioned this before, they used a sharp knife called 781 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,680 The Lancet. And this is where they would, 782 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,800 you know, scratch, scratch your arm and then put the material 783 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,720 into your arm. And this article from 1882 784 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,880 showed the how they actually put lots and lots of people into 785 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,880 room and just mass vaccinated them. 786 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,640 Just scratch, put some stuff in, scratch, vaccinate, you know, 787 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:04,280 over and over again without any kind of concept of hygiene. 788 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,520 There was no alcohol to clean the wound or anything. 789 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,200 And they just went from person to person to person. 790 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,120 Nobody would do that today. So the picture on the left is 791 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,240 what was called a good arm. This is what was supposed to 792 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,600 happen. So you got 5 scratches there. 793 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,320 You put the, you know, the supposed vaccination, cowpox, 794 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:30,520 horsebox, whatever, whatever was in that vial or from the last 795 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,520 person who got it. And they would smear that into 796 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,800 your arm and you would get this massive inflammation as you 797 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,600 might expect. And sometimes if it was good, it 798 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,200 would just die down. And supposedly we're protected. 799 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,800 Of course, you weren't really protected, as they found out 800 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,640 really early on. That's where we get the concept 801 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,160 of revaccination because despite what Jenner said, it wasn't 802 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,600 protecting you for life. They decided, well, we'll just 803 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,560 vaccinate you every 10 years. Some people said every five 804 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,800 years. Some people said every three 805 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,360 years, some people said every year. 806 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,200 So they kept on like changing the goal, you know, changing 807 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,280 what what they were doing because it was just a giant 808 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,720 experiment. Nobody really knew. 809 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,320 And the picture on the right, somebody had a, you know, 810 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,640 horrible reaction. You can see a massive wound and 811 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,880 that was considered, you know, not such a great, you know, 812 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,520 vaccine that was called a bad arm. 813 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,040 And according to this guy, Scott Tebb, one in 10 people had bad 814 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,040 arms and high fevers. So vaccination wasn't that 815 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:27,200 simple magical procedure. And we often see pictures on the 816 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,440 Internet. It's like, oh, that that boy 817 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,480 didn't have a vaccine. So he's all broken out and 818 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,880 pustules. But they didn't don't often show 819 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,000 you the results of, you know, sometimes a vaccine basically 820 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,120 causing you to deteriorate and die. 821 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,400 And this is 11 picture of a Miss Fanny Lent who apparently died a 822 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,240 horrible death after her vaccine in. 823 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,840 So in 18711873, after about 70 years of vaccines, there was a 824 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,400 massive outbreak of smallpox. And this is in London. 825 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,080 This is from The Lancet. And so they're here, they're 826 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:04,080 saying the 122,000 vaccinated persons still got smallpox, so 827 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,960 the vaccine wasn't working. They hemmed and hawed and tried 828 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,440 to figure out why it didn't work and said well, maybe we just 829 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,960 need to change things up a little bit. 830 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:19,760 Not that the whole idea failed. Doctor Millard, who was in 831 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,440 Leicester, England, who initially was a pro vaccine guy, 832 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,920 saw that the Leicester method of isolation and and cleaning up 833 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,080 the city streets was what was really actually working. 834 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,400 And he wrote a book in 1914 and he noticed that enteric fever 835 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,520 and scarlet fever were declining at the same time smallpox was 836 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,120 declining. He also noted that people were 837 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,440 less and less people were getting vaccines. 838 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,320 So the number of people were vaccinating was going down, 839 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,760 which we can see in this chart from Lester. 840 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,880 So the blue line is how many people were vaccinated and the 841 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:02,800 grey ones are smallpox deaths. And by the late 1800s, 842 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,600 vaccination rates plummeted because the people of Leicester 843 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,480 said we had enough of this. They knew people that were 844 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,880 injured by vaccines, they saw that it didn't work during the 845 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:17,240 big 1871 to 73 disaster. So they, they protested and they 846 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,480 won and they're vaccinated rates, which were already 847 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,240 declining, plummeted down to like 10%. 848 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,080 And Despite that, and despite medical men saying, well, you're 849 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,480 all going to die, you're going to all suffer, that never 850 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,160 happened. So smallpox deaths remain low 851 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,040 despite virtually no vaccination rates. 852 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,880 I mean, it spiked up a little bit, but very little vaccination 853 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,560 was being done in Leicester that eventually spread to all of 854 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,560 England. So you can see vaccination rates 855 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,160 are declining. And then so by 1921, we're down 856 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,280 to 40% of the people are being vaccinated. 857 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,080 But there's never been a resurgence of smallpox deaths. 858 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,800 And here we see during the heyday of vaccination, that's 859 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,040 the first long red arrow, the deaths for children basically 860 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,600 stayed the same. It wasn't until the health 861 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:11,080 revolution of 1875, while vaccination rates were 862 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,720 decreasing, you can see the mortality rate for all children 863 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:18,000 was going down after around 1875, despite falling 864 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,440 vaccination rates. So what did It wasn't the 865 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,520 vaccine. It was basically the health 866 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,960 revolution that changed everything. 867 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,200 And like every other disease, by the end of the 1800s, early 868 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,000 1900s, smallpox became just as mild as chickenpox. 869 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:39,320 As a matter of fact, here's an article of 1913 where he said 870 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,560 smallpox and chick pox are very difficult to distinguish. 871 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,320 And so here's a an example of somebody with smallpox that you 872 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,160 would never see on the Internet because it doesn't show massive 873 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,400 pustules. This is was a case of smallpox 874 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,400 wasn't a big deal because it by that time it was pretty mild. 875 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:03,280 So when you where you had one in five deaths in the 1800s, that 876 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,360 plummeted to very low levels and in this particular case 98% down 877 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,400 in mortality rate by 1913. And if you look at the 878 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,920 statistics, and this is from public health reports, so you 879 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:21,280 have the early 1900s and 19-O2, you had X number of deaths from 880 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,720 smallpox, then it plummeted down to almost nothing. 881 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:28,000 So you had a 98% decrease in mortality rate over those 40 882 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,080 years. So smallpox wasn't a big deal by 883 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,200 that point, which is kind of hard to believe because we've 884 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,880 been all programmed to think smallpox deadly, right? 885 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,680 And at the same time, we had vaccination rates plummeting by 886 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,560 1948 when they got rid of compulsory vaccination. 887 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,120 In England, only 18% of the people are vaccinated, so it 888 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:52,280 wasn't widespread. And Doctor Millard in 1948 wrote 889 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,440 about this in the British Medical Journal. 890 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,800 He said because of the conscientious clause that was 891 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,600 introduced, most people were not vaccinated, 2/3 were not 892 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,680 vaccinated. Smallpox never made a comeback 893 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,880 and never was, you know, high mortality rate. 894 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,560 So that kind of, he kind of, you know, basically said, well, we 895 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,880 didn't really need vaccines in the 1st place, which again, he 896 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,480 was originally a pro vaccine, but over his years, he 897 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,040 determined that that was not really true. 898 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,160 And then a doctor, Thomas Mack talked about this in 2002 and 899 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,160 you can find his articles on the Internet too. 900 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:36,000 He, he, he, he realised it was economic development, or as I 901 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,600 call it, the health revolution that made the difference. 902 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,520 It wasn't from universal vaccination. 903 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,720 And he also noted that long before the, The Who, the World 904 00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:48,880 Health Organisation started the eradication programme, smallpox 905 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,080 disappeared from many countries as they developed economically. 906 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,480 So it wasn't from this, you know, big grand vaccine across 907 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,480 the world thing that's often, you know, talked about. 908 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,800 Doctor Crichton was tasked with writing an article for the 909 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,000 Encyclopaedia Britannica in 1888. 910 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,840 There he decided not to just go with talking points. 911 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,000 He actually did a research because he was a big researcher. 912 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,880 So he was in the library all the time. 913 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,840 And he concluded that that vaccines weren't the magical 914 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,760 thing that, you know, he had been taught. 915 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,240 And he wrote a very scathing article in the Encyclopaedia of 916 00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:30,800 Britannica that went in and remained there until the 1920s. 917 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,840 And he wrote two books on vaccination and Jenner, and 918 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,800 everybody should go find those or read those are quite 919 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,320 powerful. But the medical profession as a 920 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,080 whole ignored him. And his career was more or less 921 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,600 destroyed. And he ended up a poor, poor, 922 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,680 poor person, despite, you know, being a very smart guy and 923 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,160 writing a couple books on the topic. 924 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,480 He wrote a, he wrote books on the history of Britain. 925 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,560 He was a really deep researcher and really smart guy. 926 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,280 Of course, he didn't go along with the programme. 927 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:07,080 So that was the end of him. So, you know, everything changed 928 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,200 as the sanitation revolution took hold and we got rid of 929 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,960 toxic medications and these toxic treatments, just like all 930 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,680 the other diseases that we talked about before smallpox 931 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,840 became mild and eventually just faded away, just like scarlet 932 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,560 fever and all these other diseases, despite, you know, 933 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,760 falling vaccination rates. So it's not the story we were 934 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,280 told. It's a lot more, you know, a lot 935 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:39,520 more different, right? So, so far, what what we can 936 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,840 conclude is that vaccines have had little to no impact at all. 937 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,920 That's that's my conclusion. I think people sometimes say, 938 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,560 well, the incident rate of measles went down, but it wasn't 939 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,760 that big of a deal. You know, we forgot to look at 940 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,800 what are people's vitamin C levels and vitamin A levels. 941 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,520 If we had done focused on real health, then a lot of other 942 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,280 diseases wouldn't have manifested either. 943 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,080 But we're not focused on the health, we're focused on medical 944 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,000 interventions. If we had. 945 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,280 Learned I was actually wrong. I said little to no impact. 946 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,920 They actually had either no impact or they harmed people. 947 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,880 I mean they cut to incident. Right. 948 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,080 And, well, yeah, Qatar. But if you look at the smallpox 949 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,680 vaccine, which was, you know, highly problematic if you're 950 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,960 scratching pus into somebody's arm, they had all sorts of 951 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,040 diseases, including many doctors concluded tuberculosis was tied 952 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,560 to that and cancers and all sorts of other things. 953 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,680 As you might imagine, if you put fungus and bacteria and whatever 954 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,880 else into your arm, into your blood supply, it probably not a 955 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,040 good idea. So yeah, that would have been a 956 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,200 big negative. It's actually very destructive. 957 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,000 And yeah, you have Qatar and you have other incidents too. 958 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,000 So yeah, so there's been a big giant negative, but there's a 959 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,040 there's a positive spin all the time. 960 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,680 Oh, Jenner created the cowpox vaccine. 961 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,360 Therefore, it's killed smallpox, even though it wasn't really 962 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,480 just from a Kyle, it was from a horse and corpses and everything 963 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,560 else. This is like a big mishmash 964 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:19,800 going from arm to arm to arm. Do we have time for a little 965 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,520 polio? Well, not not really having 966 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:27,040 polio, but talk about polio. So, so this is the classic 967 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,400 picture that people think of polio and that's why we have a 968 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,040 vaccine so we don't end up like this poor little guy. 969 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:37,760 And Doctor Kleiner noticed in or commented in 1952 that there 970 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,040 were a lot more people with rheumatic fever that were 971 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,880 crippled for then there were from polio. 972 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,480 But because you don't see the the problems, it's not the same 973 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,760 thing. If you see people crippled and 974 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,240 it's like, OK, that's a problem. But if you don't see, it's like, 975 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,040 who knows? Who cares? 976 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,280 So there was there was a sphere of infantile paralysis that was 977 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,120 promulgated in the media. So here's an article from, what, 978 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,320 1916? So there's an outbreak of some 979 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,640 kind of polio inside the city there. 980 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,120 But I want to make sure that people understand that polio was 981 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,800 a very low incidence disease. So if you look at this 982 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,640 particular chart, it's the line at the very, very bottom. 983 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,640 It's, you know, we had more cases like say syphilis or 984 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:29,080 malaria in the United States. Then we have had a polio. 985 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:35,120 Polio is very, very low. And then here's from particular 986 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:40,680 Vermont State Department of Public Health 1924 article, and 987 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,760 this is a picture of Vermont. And the little red dots are the 988 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:49,160 cases of polio or paralysis, and you can see they're just all 989 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,760 over the place. There's a few dots here and 990 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,640 there. There's no outbreak in a city 991 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,480 centre that you might imagine if it was some kind of infectious 992 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,560 agent. So it just scattered about. 993 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,960 And again, here is 1 from 1912. This is just a few dots here and 994 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,400 there. Again, it's not. 995 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,560 It's just these isolated cases across the state. 996 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,720 And what's very interesting is this is a couple charts or one 997 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:19,920 chart with two time periods on it, 19161931 and you can see 998 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,640 polio spikes up during the summer, peaking in August and 999 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:29,680 then goes back down towards 0. So the cases of these this what 1000 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,920 they called polio was very seasonal. 1001 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,000 It didn't happen in the winter. It was basically a summer 1002 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,560 disease. Wasn't it also related to 1003 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,600 pesticides? Yeah, we'll get there. 1004 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:49,280 So, So what maps to that? Well, first, what's interesting, 1005 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,520 there was many people observing that it's not highly infectious 1006 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,360 that people were in hospitals and there's nobody ever like 1007 00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,720 infected somebody else. And people, children would sleep 1008 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:04,600 with their, you know, their, their brother or their family 1009 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,040 member that was had some kind of paralysis, but they never caught 1010 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,520 it. So it wasn't like contagious in 1011 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,520 any, you know, sense of the word here. 1012 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,920 There's somebody's talking about a doctor enter a nurse. 1013 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,040 And nobody ever caught polio for 35 years at this particular 1014 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,920 hospital. So it wasn't like this massively 1015 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,960 contagious thing that we might imagine. 1016 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,440 And here's the pesticide. So they're using lead arsenate. 1017 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,200 This is what they would be spreading, spraying onto crops 1018 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,400 at the time. And they, you basically spray it 1019 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,360 on and then you wouldn't like wash off the, the apples or 1020 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,840 whatever. And in case of apples, it was 1021 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,040 the coddling moth that they're worried about because it was 1022 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,640 decimating crops. So anyway, so during the hot 1023 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,000 weather months, they would be spraying the stuff onto the 1024 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,800 crops. You would go home and you'd have 1025 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,920 an apple or some kind of food and you're getting a dose of 1026 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,880 lead arsenate, which is known to cause paralysis. 1027 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,080 And eventually they got rid of that, but then they replaced it 1028 00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,240 with DDT. But so they were spraying this 1029 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:11,320 stuff on this more correlates with the the diagrams. 1030 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,440 We just saw it. It was a summer disease tied 1031 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:19,560 with the same time these lead arsenate pesticides that are 1032 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:24,000 well known to cause paralysis. And actually here's you know, 1033 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,960 some of the lead arsenate, the third phase of chronic arsenical 1034 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,640 intoxication is marked by peripheral neuritis and off 1035 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,320 which is often mild at first, but which may progress to motor 1036 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:38,920 and more severe cases paralysis. So so this is known about lead 1037 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,440 arsenate which is was being used all over the place. 1038 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,400 You know, supposedly polio virus is only in men, you know, in 1039 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,920 humans. But during these times people 1040 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,720 noticed that horses, sheepdogs, cats, hogs and birds were being 1041 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,040 paralysed at the same time, which makes sense if they were 1042 00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:05,640 exposed to lead arsenate, right? So this particular doctor said 1043 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,920 just based on the epidemiology, appears that it's not really a 1044 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,960 living microorganism or a virus, but a toxin. 1045 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:21,720 And during the mid 1900s, there was a lady called Doctor Kenny, 1046 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,000 sister Kenny, sorry, not doctor, she wasn't a doctor. 1047 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,360 So here is a picture of her in a using her particular therapies, 1048 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,160 which she rallied against what the current the the medical 1049 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,960 treatments of the time were. If you had some kind of 1050 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,520 condition, they would force your arms, your legs to be 1051 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,520 straightened out. They were put them in cast and 1052 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,480 they would do these surgeries. And she said that's the reason 1053 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,360 people are having paralysis for the most part, right? 1054 00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,000 So she said, no, no, we're going to do like massage and hot, hot 1055 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,880 packs, which we do today. And, you know, basically that's 1056 00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,760 the modern way of having therapy and rehabilitation. 1057 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,720 Here's another picture of her with a successful patient. 1058 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,200 So she had a very high cure rate of polio by using these 1059 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,640 techniques and not using the medical treatment techniques. 1060 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,280 And here's Doctor Kleiner again. He had 60 out of 60 successful 1061 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,400 cases by using by using polio, by using vitamin C. 1062 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,240 He didn't use polio. So he used that which is a 1063 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,320 strong detoxification agent. So he had success with that and 1064 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,760 he was disturbed that his information was never used. 1065 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,080 It was just, you know, just kind of sidelined. 1066 00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,400 So these are all the different like pieces of history about 1067 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:45,360 polio that you might not know, that you can decide for yourself 1068 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,840 whether you know the vaccine did too much. 1069 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,600 But there's also another part to that story is the original 1070 00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,080 diagnosis for polio would be done. 1071 00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,560 So if you had paralysis and you had paralysis within 24 hours, 1072 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,840 still, that was considered a case of polio. 1073 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,280 There was no need for any kind of laboratory confirmation. 1074 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,640 You were paralysed. 24 hours later, you're still paralysed. 1075 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,560 You have polio. That's what it was. 1076 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,400 So they disabled, they disabled it, right? 1077 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,560 So that that's, you know, this is 1950s, right, or before the 1078 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,000 1950s. But when they, when they 1079 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,480 eventually had the vaccine in 1954, they changed the 1080 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,200 definition. The definition became you had to 1081 01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,440 be paralysed 60 days later. So you basically created a whole 1082 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,040 new condition. So the first one was you're 1083 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,520 paralysed within 24 hours, OK, you have that. 1084 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,480 But then they just changed the definition. 1085 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:42,240 So you have to be paralysed 60 days later, which according to 1086 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,240 Doctor Kleiman, it's like almost nobody had that. 1087 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,320 So you automatically got rid of polio just by the definition 1088 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:53,120 change. A similar thing happened in in 1089 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:59,160 India. So here's the original polio. 1090 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,240 You see that there's a, there's a, the, the green lines, the 1091 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,240 polio cases. And we can see that when they 1092 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:12,520 started vaccinating for polio very heavily in 1996, they also 1093 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,040 changed the definition. They created a new thing called 1094 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:20,000 ACE, a acute flaccid paralysis. And part of that is you have to 1095 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,480 have original residual paralysis after 60 days. 1096 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:29,280 That's when it changed in 1997. So now we have a new disease 1097 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:34,440 called acute flaccid paralysis and that's the big green line 1098 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,600 going up at the the little blue line on the bottom is the new 1099 01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,280 polio definitions. But if we stayed with the old 1100 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,720 polio definition and didn't have AFP, then the levels of 1101 01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,160 paralysis have increased since they vaccinated. 1102 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,920 But by a definition change, suddenly polio is going away. 1103 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,720 And so according to this article, there was an extra 1104 01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:01,440 640,000 children developed with paralysis during the years 2000 1105 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,640 to 2017 because but those cases never really counted because it 1106 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:11,280 wasn't considered polio. So again, a definition change 1107 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,040 really made a, you know, big difference in what you perceive. 1108 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,680 That's the best vaccine ever. A changing definition. 1109 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,800 Yeah, certainly. They really did that with polio 1110 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,400 quite often after 2012, the number of oral polo vaccines, 1111 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,760 because sometimes they were giving kids four or five or more 1112 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,840 of these vaccines. That kind of this idea is like 1113 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,080 just keep on hammering them, which I, you know, it looks 1114 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,720 pretty clear that the increase in paralysis, but after 2012 1115 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,640 they start, they started to reduce those and you see the, 1116 01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:48,040 the number of paralysis cases started to drop off because they 1117 01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,600 said, well, we've tackled polio so we can start decreasing the 1118 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,720 number of vaccines, which they didn't really do. 1119 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,440 They just changed the definition. 1120 01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,400 So that's my little spiel on polio, which again was a pretty 1121 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,640 low incidence disease. It was spread apart. 1122 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,920 Yeah, I mean, you, you say no incidents, but it's one of the 1123 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,120 most spoken about in the last 100 years. 1124 01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,240 Yeah, so we had a big media blitz and we saw people in iron 1125 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,240 lungs, we saw people in braces, and that tugs at your 1126 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,720 heartstrings, right? So if you had, if you're 1127 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,560 debilitated by some other disease that causes damage to 1128 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:25,840 your heart, well, you don't see that. 1129 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,840 So that doesn't get any media attention, right? 1130 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,840 So, you know, you know, this idea of being paralysed kind of 1131 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,480 freak people out. And there was a lot of media 1132 01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,480 attention to it. And then there was a big push 1133 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,320 for the the vaccine and eventually they came out one and 1134 01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,840 came out with one in 1954. And then after that they change 1135 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,600 the definition. So of course polio would just 1136 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,040 vanish. And there's still people, 1137 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,600 apparently they still get these paralysis problems and they get 1138 01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:56,160 put on not those big metal lung machines because we don't have 1139 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,520 that technology anymore. We they get put on ventilators. 1140 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,600 I actually bought that book, The Moth in the Iron Lung. 1141 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,320 Yeah, there was a particular study, I think it was in 1142 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,640 Michigan in 1958, where they, you know, they tried to isolate, 1143 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,520 you know what caused the paralysis. 1144 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,920 And only a small fraction of the people were found to have like, 1145 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,840 polio virus. There was a bunch of other 1146 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,120 different viruses. In many cases, there was no 1147 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,520 detectable pathogen that they could find at all. 1148 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,880 It was just like, Oh yeah, none. I don't have that. 1149 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,640 I don't have that chart in here, but which is kind of 1150 01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,240 interesting. So, you know, they've made it 1151 01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,640 sound like there's just this one little virus and that causes 1152 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,280 paralysis and nothing else does. And never, nothing ever else 1153 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,800 did. But I think the the history 1154 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,360 shows that, you know, we had things like the LED arsenate was 1155 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:54,440 causing problems because before really the late 1800s, there 1156 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,240 wasn't really much paralysis ever detected. 1157 01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,800 It only happened when they started using these kind of 1158 01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,600 industrial pesticides. The trend is the same no matter 1159 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:08,920 which disease you look at. Yeah, that's what I found out. 1160 01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,320 So you had typhoid fever, typhus. 1161 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,680 You had scarlet fever, you had cholera. 1162 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,560 All these things declined to near 0 by the 1940s, fifties and 1163 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,240 60s. Some had a vaccine, some didn't. 1164 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,040 It all had to do with cleaning up the environment. 1165 01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,200 And again, if we learn that lesson, we wouldn't be doing the 1166 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,040 things we're doing today. We would be getting exercise. 1167 01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,800 We'd be getting fresh air, plenty of sunshine, good quality 1168 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:38,680 Whole Foods, not junk foods. We wouldn't be people. 1169 01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,040 Struggle with this so much though. 1170 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,640 I mean you you in the most. For the most part, when you say 1171 01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,520 stuff like this, people will call you a quack. 1172 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,120 Yeah, well, I've been called worse, but I think the data 1173 01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,400 shows that. And I think that, you know, I, I 1174 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,600 actually live that lifestyle and I feel great and I feel better 1175 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,160 now than I did in my 30s. And then, you know, we're, we're 1176 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,640 being stupid with plastic pollution. 1177 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,240 We got microprostix everywhere, nanoplastics getting into our 1178 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,760 system. So we're destroying our own 1179 01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,520 environment just for conveniences. 1180 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,960 And and then we use the medical system to try to fix everything, 1181 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,160 which I think is just not the right thing to do. 1182 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,960 So I think we need a second health revolution where people 1183 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,640 actually try to get healthy through exercise, sunshine, 1184 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,960 clean water or good food, you know, don't eat garbage. 1185 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,960 And it's not that hard. Well, it is psychologically 1186 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,040 hard, but the concept isn't hard. 1187 01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:38,400 It's like, well, I can have an apple or I can have this junky 1188 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,080 breakfast cereal. You know, there's you can make 1189 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,640 better choices all the time. And yet that's the thing with 1190 01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,920 health is you make these choices like every day. 1191 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,440 It's like this morning, I this morning I went for 1/2 hour walk 1192 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,080 yesterday, went to the gym for two hours. 1193 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:56,040 So that's my workout. I eat all Whole Foods. 1194 01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:00,080 I get plenty of sunshine. I de stress, try to have a good 1195 01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,480 day, laugh, have do meaningful work, have good social 1196 01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:04,880 connections. These are all how you build 1197 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,320 health. The other way to do is, you 1198 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:12,160 know, eat junk and drink Coca Cola and dunk a Donuts and don't 1199 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,120 exercise and don't get any sunshine and then start 1200 01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,080 deteriorating. Then run to a doctor and hope 1201 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,840 they can fix it. Yeah. 1202 01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,200 Then you take a pill. I need to Ozempic now, you know, 1203 01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,280 because if you ignore your health, you're going to get 1204 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,760 sick. And then you run to somebody 1205 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,880 that's going to try to fix it for you with a magic pill. 1206 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,640 And those never really work. Have you seen this, a huge 1207 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,360 lawsuit now against Ozempic, I think something to the tune of 1208 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,920 $2 billion. Yeah, yeah. 1209 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,720 But that's part of the business model, right? 1210 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:43,000 So they'll make X number of billion dollars, they'll settle 1211 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,480 out of court, but they still made still made a huge profit. 1212 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,120 That's how the business model works. 1213 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,760 They already know that they're going to get sued at some point. 1214 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,520 That's a real kind of illness in our society. 1215 01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,720 It's like as long as you're making a dollar, that's OK. 1216 01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,960 It doesn't matter what we make. Who cares if it, you know, has, 1217 01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:00,640 you know, so called side effects? 1218 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,160 It doesn't matter because as long as we make money. 1219 01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:04,560 And same thing with the food industry. 1220 01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,080 You know, people know they're making garbage food. 1221 01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,640 They figure, well, that's up to them not to eat our garbage 1222 01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,640 product because they're making lots of money from it. 1223 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,920 And it's, you know, extends to the agricultural system. 1224 01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:19,000 It's like, oh, we know we're making substandard food. 1225 01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,000 A lot of them people know that it's like, and we know it's 1226 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,240 magnesium deficient, but we're going to do it that way anyway. 1227 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,760 We could be doing regenerative farming and organic farming, but 1228 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:27,960 we don't make as much money of that. 1229 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:29,680 We can't sell pesticides to those people. 1230 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,200 So that's no good. And the advertisers along for 1231 01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,800 the ride too. We're going to advertise 1232 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,040 whatever you want, you know, so you can have a Coke and a smile 1233 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,760 and diabetes too. You can have, you know, you can 1234 01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,120 have Doritos and obesity, you can have all these wonderful 1235 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,720 things that we're going to promote and show young people 1236 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,479 having a great time with it, you know, and then, you know, 1237 01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,840 financial industries all invested in all this stuff. 1238 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,760 So it's a big what I call the sickness industrial complex. 1239 01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,439 And I think we need to change direction and go back towards, 1240 01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,359 you know, natural living. But the again, you, as you point 1241 01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:05,800 out, nobody makes money off of that sunshine's free clean 1242 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:07,800 water. Well, that could cost you some 1243 01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:13,240 because our piping system in United States awful in a lot of 1244 01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,359 places. And so a lot of things are free. 1245 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,439 Exercise is free. You don't have to go to a gym. 1246 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:18,840 You can just go out and exercise. 1247 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:23,720 So and you could choose to have Whole Foods or you can choose to 1248 01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,279 eat garbage and garbage food is very alluring. 1249 01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:29,600 It gets people addicted. There's a reason there's food 1250 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,800 scientists. It's to get you hooked on these 1251 01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,359 things. But if we all shifted towards 1252 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:38,520 the other end, the amount of money we'd spend on healthcare 1253 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,880 would plummet from 18% back down to maybe 3% where it belongs for 1254 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,080 accidents. Where medicine's great, you get 1255 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,560 into a car accident? Super. 1256 01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,080 But these chronic conditions are because of our lifestyle, not 1257 01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,960 because anybody can really fix them except for yourself. 1258 01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,880 OK, we are over time Roman, let's come in for the final lap. 1259 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:03,760 How can I follow your work and get your Well, I've got your 1260 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,440 books, but I can somebody else get your books? 1261 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,880 Sure. Let's just put this up here. 1262 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,880 We'll skip all this stuff. Here's my contact. 1263 01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,560 I'm on XI. Like Twitter better. 1264 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,160 That's a better name, but OK, it's X. 1265 01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,600 You can go on my sub stack. I have articles on all this 1266 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,480 stuff, the charts, they're all free. 1267 01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,440 Or you can go to desalinus.com. You can find the books there 1268 01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:27,720 from all over the planets. It's translated into seven other 1269 01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:31,800 languages. We just released Chinese, so if 1270 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:37,320 anybody reads Chinese, it's on there and there's the contact 1271 01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,320 and you can follow me on Telegram too. 1272 01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,120 So whichever way you want. If anybody has questions, you 1273 01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,480 want the charts, they're on dissolvinglucius.com. 1274 01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:47,400 They're on my sub stack so you can always find them. 1275 01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,640 Robin Best Janik, thank you for joining me in the trenches. 1276 01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:53,440 Thanks much for having me.