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Tickets to see Andrew are 
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Brothers dot uki. 
Mean admittedly, you did get a a

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taste of my irritability over 
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Actually, if you want to, if you
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it's basically that I'm never 
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piss. 
You're making our cause look 

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ridiculous. 
I'm like, oh, well, if Paul is 

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dead, then there's really no 
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not. 
I think I was like, a kind of 

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like a, like a sleeper agent. 
I didn't know it. 

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I think, I think, I think this 
was, I think God. 

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God decided this was going to be
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It's funny in it, how life, the 
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elaborate things that we do. 
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We were having that 
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Well, unfortunately it's not. 
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It doesn't make me happy. 
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For the technology, it really, 
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difficult customer, but if you 
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it's really not not a good way 
of I've kind of had enough 

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already, is what I'm thinking. 
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Stop. 
Right. 

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So we're just talking off camera
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When we first met at Hope, not 
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remember meeting you and your 
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Festival back in 2021, I think, 
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It feels like another age. 
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of growth, I suppose that we 
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gone through in different ways? 
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at a new school and these are 
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these are your classmates and 
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you're going to have to get to 
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These are these are your new set
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And I think for a lot of us, it 
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We, a lot of us were new to all 
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until not long before that I, 
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intents and. 
Places. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
I, I I wouldn't have understood 

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what you meant by the term 
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pretty. 
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even at that stage to destroy 
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by speaking out about things 
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Yeah, yeah. 
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Oh, I was definitely, I was 
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I mean, I've just done a a 
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Dominic Frisbee. 
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You know, Dominic? 
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with you, James, is you're too 
early. 

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You're too early on things. 
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the stock markets, it's being 
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And knowing knowing that the 
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or or collapse, there's no use 
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other. 
Scenarios as well where it's not

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very useful, isn't it? 
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Can talk about that later. 
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But but yeah. 
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unaware that the establishment, 
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is not to be trusted. 
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to which this extended from the 
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science, which is not, is not 
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history, to medicine, to 
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That was a thing that I hadn't 
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meeting the best friends I I 
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was. 
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people that you could just have 
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feel open with without any of 
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you know, got used to having 
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always been quite frank. 
I've always been. 

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I've always been very open with 
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I, when I meet, there's a sort 
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English people have been trained
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is there's this reserve they, 
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I never bothered with that 
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What you see is what you get. 
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version of me you see when you 
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different from the from the one 
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technical thing I. 
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It's just that you found you 
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I absolutely loathe technology 
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tinkering and mechanics and 
electronics and just it's never 

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been of any interest to me. 
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I have a very low boredom 
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I can spend days lifetime doing 
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you you could been completely 
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to be passive? 
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couldn't just sit and sort of 
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sort of irritated by proxy 
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frustrated with the tech? 
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it. 
Can we just do it? 

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I mean, that's always been my 
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I, I, there are definitely the 
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my podcasts And I kind of think 
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interests me. 
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chat. 
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I can do. 
I can, I can. 

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I can chat for England. 
That's handy. 

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Which is. 
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skin generally, as long as I'm 
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being on a horse or doing 
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that I can talk, talk to about 
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Which is what going back, which 
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that Hope Festival, that one 
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Not that I do edit myself 
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with people where it it. 
Wasn't even an option it. 

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Wasn't even an option. 
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Yeah, because I, I think we, we 
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however comfortable we are with 
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things you do for for the for 
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one sort of tempers the the 
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you change your approach 
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You know what battle you're 
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You know, see, you don't just 
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completely oblivious to the 
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out you, you have to judge it, 
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To some extent. 
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It is the curse of anyone who is
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every encounter as if you're in 
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You have to you, you have to be 
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Yeah, you're right. 
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love sort of shocking people 
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I like, I like, I like getting. 
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want to know the essence of me, 
it's basically that I'm never 

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happier than when taking the 
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And my parents are the same. 
It's very, very bizarre and 

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maybe it's a Midlands thing, I 
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But my mother is a piss taker, 
My father is a piss taker. 

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I mean, I live in a family of 
piss takers. 

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when it which ended up me taking
the piss. 

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I was going to be taking the 
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paradigm. 
I mean, that's what's been 

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brilliant about these times for 
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the entire paradigm, everything 
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world to be true is bollocks. 
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I could be the little boy, he 
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The Emperor's wearing no 
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always been what I enjoyed 
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perhaps fall for what I might 
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ideas? 
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enamoured with this idea of 
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established, kind of, you know, 
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defining. 
The Yeah, I don't think so. 

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No, but maybe that's your 
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I don't think I'm I'm, I 
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just want to find out what 
what's true and what's not true.

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That's easy to say. 
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change my opinions with with new
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So for example, I'm not very 
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I think it's, I think it's a 
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I like the idea that there was 
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transmission devices for amazing
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Same with mud floods and things.
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I suppose that's, that's what I 
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Liked Atari without perhaps 
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know, And I suppose that's all I
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into the hands of the agenda 
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I'm. 
Muddy's the water, so to me. 

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I'm more worried about people 
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I've not heard that one. 
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I I coined it and you don't you 
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enough, but or or or read the 
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So, but basically it's that OK, 
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hole, they, they, they discover 
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government is not their friend 
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there to save their lives. 
They're actually, they had to, 

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to administer this poison on 
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And so they notionally, they 
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this, this new world they live 
in is quite a discomforting one 

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because their friends will no 
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They can't relate. 
They can't have the 

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conversations they used to have.
They can't, they can't, they can

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barely read the newspapers 
anymore and they find it 

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uncomfortable. 
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link sort of to have a, a 
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old world as a kind of comfort 
blanket to show that they're not

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as isolated as they feel. 
And I think that's a bigger 

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mistake because what they do is 
they then say, well, they start 

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pointing themselves gatekeepers 
of which narratives are true, 

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which are untrue. 
So they say, look, it's 

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perfectly, it's perfectly 
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safety and the efficacy of, of 
of the vaccine. 

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But when you talk about Paul is 
dead, say all outlandish 

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conspiracies like that, you're, 
you're making our cause look 

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ridiculous. 
I'm like, oh, well, if Paul is 

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dead, then there's really no 
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not. 
It's just you're, you're, you're

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actually doing the cause of 
disservice because ultimately 

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our only watchword should be the
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We're on the mission to find out
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The truth is holy. 
The truth is an expression of 

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God. 
And if we start making excuses 

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as to why this or that area 
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inquiry, then I think we're 
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In fact, we're, we're creating 
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self censorship and I've never 
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truth is holy and there 
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can't question. 
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the Holocaust, you know, that's,
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to, if you're sent to prison for
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the thing you should be 
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So I think so, yeah. 
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conclusion wise, but it, you 
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illegal to question that that 
raises a red well. 

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I think I, I can't remember 
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Dalingpole's first law or 
Dalingpole's Second law. 

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I guess I'm quite sort of 
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these phrases like I, I invent 
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them or forget the context. 
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discovered is the more that the 
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being true, and the more it's 
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consciousness, the less likely 
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likely it's to be done. 
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what happened to the Titanic. 
There was even a film made about

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it called A Night to Remember. 
Like they didn't want you to 

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forget any more than they wanted
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November. 
Remember, remember the 5th of 

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November. 
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thing, all the big historical 
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and we're invited to feel 
strongly about are fake in some 

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way there or or at least the 
version of events you're being 

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sold sold is it is false. 
So you think about the epochal 

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events in our lives, the ones 
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knows. 
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where they were when they heard 
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shot. 
The, the the alert signal should

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be going off. 
It's bollocks. 

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Then it's bollocks. 
Moon landings. 

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I, when I was a little boy, I 
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petrol from Shell garages 
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display thing with, with these 
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And I wanted all that I wanted 
the full set of the moon landing

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coins. 
Well, why was Shell doing that? 

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Well, obviously the, the, the, 
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wants to reinforce the 
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So everyone's in on it at a 
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oil, oil companies and the 
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the TV, they're all, they're all
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But you could argue that if, 
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wouldn't a big company want to 
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regardless of whether they it 
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One thing that's really clear to
me is that establishing health 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Well, I think that's one of the 

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ways, that the way that people 
are persuaded to bind to the, 

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the deception, there's always an
explanation, there's always a 

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rational explanation for the 
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satisfied with that. 
So yeah, you'd think, well, of 

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course petrol stations are going
to market this big event. 

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Of course they are. 
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it wouldn't require, say, 
whoever was head of the shell at

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the time to, to. 
No, no, no. 

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I suppose what I'm saying is 
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that these narratives at every 
level, which is why it's so hard

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to persuade people that they're 
being had, because everything, 

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everything reinforces that that 
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of the world. 
Yeah, sure. 

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Yeah. 
I don't think there's any 

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question that, that the main 
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acceptance of conventional 
wisdom. 

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You know, there's, there's very,
there's very little in our 

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education system which, you 
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no questioning. 
The the rewards for buying into 

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the narrative. 
I'm I'm a classic product of 

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that system. 
I was, I was really good at 

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school. 
I was top of a lot of my 

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subjects because I, well, like 
quite learning stuff. 

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Yeah, I was good at general 
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And then I got a place at Smart 
University that everyone wants 

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to get into and this is how. 
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next step is obviously a good 
job, get in banking or whatever.

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I'm sure that most of my Oxford 
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way more than me because they've
been given, they've been given a

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place as it's a bit like the 
Babylonian court say, say you've

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got presumably the Babylonian 
royal family, but just below 

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that you've got the, the, the 
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who've been selected, they've, 
they've gone through the 

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process. 
So that's your reward when you 

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learn your stuff. 
And you, you, you accept the 

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narrative, they will pay you. 
And if you if you don't, then 

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you get ostracized and isolated 
and, and punished financially 

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and punished in terms of, well, 
in all sorts of ways that 

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everyone is awake has 
experienced that, that, that you

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can no longer you're no longer 
part of the general discourse. 

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Yeah. 
You're an outsider. 

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So go and just mention your 
childhood or your upbringing 

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school. 
It's a hot it's come up quite a 

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bit. 
And the whole idea of class, you

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know, you've written about 
class, haven't you? 

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And. 
Yeah. 

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Not class. 
Classes I I don't know. 

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I don't know what this thing 
class is that you. 

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Yeah, I thought it might, might 
throw you a bit. 

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Sure, it shocked me. 
Do people speak in this way? 

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I, I believe so. 
In the provinces, yeah, yeah, 

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yeah. 
But, you know, it's, I, I think 

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it's still a fascinating topic 
because it's particularly in 

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England, I think. 
But it does also relate to the 

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structure of the agenda. 
You know, so so for example, 

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your upbringing is more, you had
more of an you will have had 

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more of an insight into and and 
had, you know, a closer 

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connection to some of the people
who might be. 

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Illuminati. 
No, Yeah, yeah. 

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But you know, people who? 
Who basic close to the top of 

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the pyramid Let's. 
Put it that way, my Illuminati 

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adjacent upbringing. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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I'm fucking all the books. 
Here I I find it absolutely 

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hilarious because I mean, nobody
who's posh would think of me as 

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posh. 
I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm common, 

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really common as much in, in as 
much as my family is 

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industrialist stock rather than 
landed, landed Gentry. 

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Yeah, I definitely had relative 
to the most of the population. 

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I had a privileged upbringing, 
you know, I mean, we, we had 

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nice family holidays and and I 
was educated privately. 

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And the the Oxford thing was I 
totally deserved for being 

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clever. 
I worked for that. 

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There was that even then it was,
it was not guaranteed that you'd

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get in. 
I don't, I think they made a big

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mistake in letting me in because
basically they, they let in 

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somebody who was going to betray
the system. 

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They wanted me to be one of 
them. 

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And, and instead I, I think I 
was like a kind of like a like a

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sleeper agent. 
I didn't know it. 

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I think, I think, I think this 
was, I think God, God decided 

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this was going to be my, my 
role. 

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But but as you know, we, we in 
our circles and in the broader 

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sense of the, the awake 
movement, although I, I don't 

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know what that means, but but 
like, yeah, people who awake, 

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you'll get these characters who,
who, who say, Oh yeah, James 

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Sterling, Paul's like he's a, 
he's a controlled opposition or.

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Yeah, with literally every 
anyone there. 

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Yeah, there's literally anyone. 
Oh, oh, totally. 

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But and and you find different 
reasons for doing so. 

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And the one the one they use 
with me is, well, like, he's 

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just like so establishment. 
And he was friends with two 

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future prime ministers. 
I I wasn't alluding to that, 

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but. 
No, but I'm, but I find it quite

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amusing. 
I, I, I wasn't, I wasn't really 

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trying to defend myself from a 
point you weren't making. 

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It was more that it's quite 
interesting, isn't it, that the 

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people who are awake, they come 
from all classes and, and, and 

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backgrounds. 
It's it's not A and I think that

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we're all bringing different 
things to the party. 

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So what I bring to the party 
into Aliyah is that I had an 

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inside view of, of well, the, 
the lives and behaviour of 

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people who would go on to become
these high, high tier 

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administrators in the Babylonian
court. 

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Presumably, I thought I must 
have, I must have met people who

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are actual Illuminati. 
Although how would you know? 

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I mean, I'm, I'm still trying to
work, work out how it works, but

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I suspect that it's has 
something to do with split 

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personalities. 
So you, for example, could be 

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member of the Illuminati and, 
and one of your, one of your 

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personalities is Jake Fern 
artist. 

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And then because you've been, 
because you've been buggered at 

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the right age by your, by your 
controllers, you've got this, 

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the trauma has has created this,
this multiple personalities and 

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your, your Jake Fern personality
is just like amiable and good at

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painting and and stuff. 
But then you've got this other 

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one, which, which, which comes 
out when you're sacrificing your

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children or whatever to, to 
Satan. 

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I think. 
I think that's how it works. 

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You do? 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, interesting. 
So you wouldn't know. 

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So it's like I, I used to, I 
used to do, I used to do 

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interview movie stars and pop 
stars and things. 

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I remember doing an interview 
with with Tom Hanks once. 

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Oh, OK. 
I'm thinking he's one of the 

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nicest blokes I've ever met. 
He's just so calming. 

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And but you have to remember Tom
Hanks is an actor. 

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He's many things beside that, 
but he's he's an actor. 

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And so I don't, you can't tell. 
I think you, you have to be, I 

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think your default position has 
to be suspicious. 

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Like who do I trust? 
Like I trust my brothers and 

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sisters, maybe a few others, but
I'm just always open to 

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possibility that that that. 
Takes a sleeper agent. 

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Yeah, well, Dick, Dick, Dick 
sometimes thinks wrong things on

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things and I have to put him 
right. 

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I, I think, I think no, I think 
Dick probably is a not a sleeper

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agent, right? 
Yeah, when I was trying to sort 

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of understand what was going on,
it was the psychology that 

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interested me more than 
necessarily the the mechanics. 

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Yeah, the mechanics, the details
of that. 

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And that's when I started to get
this sense of what that world 

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and how, how other that world. 
Is, it's interesting, Yeah. 

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It's really good that Bob has 
corroborated what I'm about to 

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say, which is that I spent what,
2025 years working in the 

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mainstream media and I did 
occasionally appeared on the 

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BBCI made made a documentary 
once for Channel 4. 

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I was columnist the Times, the 
Telegraph. 

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There wasn't there wasn't a 
moment when I thought, hang on a

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second, I'm part of an evil lie 
machine. 

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There were, there weren't just 
wasn't. 

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I would just getting on and 
doing my thing and I think 

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people find that hard to 
believe. 

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You must have known. 
Well. 

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Why? 
I mean, I suppose I was aware 

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that some of my feature ideas 
got would get shot down. 

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I not used but some of my ideas.
Actually, I, I tended not to 

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think of my own ideas because 
it's easier when when your 

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editors give you give you an 
idea, you know, you haven't got 

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to sell it to them. 
But, but that said, I never 

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wrote, I would never write a 
piece that I didn't agree with 

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already. 
So it wasn't like I was being 

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coerced into having opinions in 
order to earn my living. 

447
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,160
But but again, that's that in a 
way is how the system works. 

448
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:22,880
They have designated edgy right 
wing contrarian characters and 

449
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,880
designated left wing. 
They've got Owen Jones on 

450
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,440
standby and they've got all 
those Guardian people that we 

451
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,800
mock. 
And I didn't think a lot of them

452
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,000
are aware that they are these 
these Punch and Judy characters.

453
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,400
They're just they they think 
that they're autonomous and that

454
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,000
they have their own opinions. 
Yeah, sure. 

455
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,160
I think they'd have to to pull 
it off. 

456
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,400
You know, this idea that they're
all aware and conscious of their

457
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,600
role in it, just to me, seems 
absurd. 

458
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,080
Yeah. 
It's a very clever system, which

459
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,920
is why it is has endured for so 
long. 

460
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:04,800
Yeah, to see parts two and three
of this interview with James 

461
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,760
Dennenpole, as well as the final
Painting and Support UK columns 

462
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,520
Vital Work, head over to their 
website and sign up for a 

463
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,080
monthly subscription. 
Good eats and good weed, 

464
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,360
basically, And it's what I 
wanted at the time. 

465
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,920
And these things they have to do
involve moral compromises. 

466
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,040
They got so into the occult 
stuff that I think really bad 

467
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,880
shit started happening to them. 
And I bought, I so bought into 

468
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,480
it at the time. 
And I know, I think, yeah, but 

469
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,760
it's all bollocks. 
They didn't even write their 

470
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,480
stuff. 
And I thought, well, it's kind 

471
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,680
of great. 
We're going to go on stage and 

472
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,600
he's going to explain it all to 
me and right but he but he 

473
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,200
couldn't. 
What are your opinions on Flat 

474
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,080
Earth? 
Oh, I think that is a SIOP. 

475
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,680
That's my opinion, yeah. 
And I get called the NASA shell,

476
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,280
you know, like. 
So no, I I'd call you a globe 

477
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:51,840
tard. 
Yeah. 

478
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,960
Of course you would. 
Yeah, yeah, as I, as I've been 

479
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,000
called many times, yeah. 
A favourable gloss you're 

480
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,840
putting on what is essentially a
form of gatekeeping because by 

481
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,880
because by saying beneficial, 
you're making a value judgement.

482
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,200
For me. 
Yeah, well, that is a very 

483
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,600
judgement. 
Yeah, but for me it's that's how

484
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,360
I. 
See it? 

485
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:12,880
Yeah. 
So I mean, I don't care. 

486
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,640
What anyone does that is a form 
of gatekeeping. 

487
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,600
I don't have the authority to 
gatekeep anyone. 

488
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,200
You don't. 
No, it's true. 

489
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,320
But but. 
So if people, if people want to 

490
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:27,800
take my opinion as some kind of 
authority, then that's their 

491
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,600
problem, James. 
Yes, here's a yes. 

492
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,840
Show me. 
No, what I need to do is OK. 

493
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,480
Oh, it looks very much like me. 
Oh, it does. 

494
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,120
Although there was worrying, 
worrying elements of of of 

495
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,320
Prince. 
Was it called the? 

496
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,840
I don't know, Prince. 
Prince. 

497
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,840
What's the one who's going to be
King Charming? 

498
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,240
No. 
The, the evil. 

499
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,840
The the, the William. 
No. 

500
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,960
It looks really like me. 
You've done a brilliant job.